Spooktober 2024 - Poltergeist (1982) vs. Poltergeist (2015)

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[00:01:01] What is that presence you sense in your podcast player? Could it be the Lorehounds spooked over 2024?

[00:01:12] They are here.

[00:01:14] Hi, I'm Alicia and I'm here with John and David. Hello.

[00:01:18] Hello.

[00:01:19] Hello.

[00:01:20] Good morning.

[00:01:21] Good afternoon.

[00:01:22] Good evening.

[00:01:23] Depending on what part of the world you're in.

[00:01:24] And when you're listening to this.

[00:01:26] Hopefully at home at night with the lights off.

[00:01:30] Because this year we're getting ghostly going back to the spooktacular classic, The Poltergeist.

[00:01:35] We watched all four Poltergeist movies.

[00:01:38] Today we're putting the 1982 original and the 2015 remake head-to-head.

[00:01:44] One character or category at a time.

[00:01:47] And then for Elevensees, one of our subscriber exclusives this month, we'll be talking about the 1986 and 1988 sequels to the original film.

[00:01:55] But before we get into our analysis, we'll talk also our spoiler-free hot takes for those of you still deciding if you actually want to watch these films.

[00:02:03] So let's dive into that.

[00:02:06] But David, have you seen these films before?

[00:02:09] All of them?

[00:02:09] Any of them?

[00:02:10] I had only seen the original.

[00:02:13] This is, of course, a generational film for me.

[00:02:16] For Gen Xers, this was a defining cornerstone foundational horror film of our generation.

[00:02:25] And I had not seen two, three, or the remake ever.

[00:02:33] I think the two and three, when they dropped, personally, I was just doing other things, and horror is not a primary genre for me.

[00:02:45] And then by the time three came, it was just sort of, you really felt the cash grab nature of the studio, trying to squeeze the franchise for what it's worth.

[00:02:57] And Spielberg not being really attached, and it didn't have a lot of buzz, so it wasn't like, oh, you got to get out and see this thing.

[00:03:05] So yeah, never bothered with two and three.

[00:03:09] And the remake, I didn't even know that they made a remake until we decided to cover this.

[00:03:15] So this was the first time for me.

[00:03:16] Yeah, I had no idea.

[00:03:17] Our daughter was born in 2015, so that was, I was a little busy during that time period.

[00:03:24] And so I had no clue that that show was even, you know, that movie was even created then.

[00:03:29] Yeah.

[00:03:30] Are you a fan of ghostly movies in general?

[00:03:33] No.

[00:03:34] Like I said, it's not my primary genre.

[00:03:36] I don't mind one.

[00:03:39] And I think, you know, and I've enjoyed some of the classics, you know, certainly I think it was, was it Evil Dead 2?

[00:03:47] Which was a great, you know, spoof on horror ones.

[00:03:54] And Hellraiser, you know, and some of these, again, foundational movies.

[00:03:57] But it's not a genre that I'm going to run out and see the latest offering for what's there.

[00:04:06] I appreciate the genre, but I also just feel like the genre gets, of all the studio franchise, you know, squeezing every drop they can get out of it.

[00:04:21] It feels like horror gets more attention in that regard.

[00:04:25] Like if you look at the Freddy Krueger's or the Halloweens or the, you know, Jason and, you know, all of that stuff.

[00:04:30] They just, you have a scream, right?

[00:04:33] You know, they just, you know, franchise.

[00:04:35] The slashers are like extra susceptible to that.

[00:04:39] That's what I mean.

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:40] Yeah.

[00:04:40] And so I'm just kind of like, eh, you know.

[00:04:43] I mean, so they.

[00:04:44] Do I really need to see Scream 18?

[00:04:45] I don't know.

[00:04:46] No, I mean, yeah.

[00:04:48] But I'm not caught up on that franchise.

[00:04:49] But the slashers, yeah, I think that's not my favorite type of horror.

[00:04:53] Ghostly horror is my favorite type of horror.

[00:04:55] Sure.

[00:04:56] There's an absolute difference, right?

[00:04:57] Dear listener, worry not.

[00:05:00] But yeah, I think that also the thing is that horror movies are often, I mean, there's a lot of special effects involved in especially these ghostly ones.

[00:05:10] But they make a lot of bank at the box office.

[00:05:13] They like that and children's movies are two of the most reliable genres at the box office.

[00:05:17] So I think that's one reason why.

[00:05:19] Anyway, what about you, John?

[00:05:20] Are you a fan of this particular brand of horror?

[00:05:23] I am as an adult.

[00:05:25] So when I was a kid, my grandpa used to show me all the movies.

[00:05:28] I've talked about that before.

[00:05:29] And he had shown me, for some reason, he showed me The Haunting in 1999, which is loosely based on The Haunting of Hill House.

[00:05:38] Yeah.

[00:05:39] And that scared the shit out of me to where I didn't sleep for like a week.

[00:05:44] And I decided then that I didn't like horror movies.

[00:05:46] And I didn't really go back into them until I was an adult.

[00:05:50] And my wife, my girlfriend at the time, was like, I like horror movies.

[00:05:55] And so I was like, I too like horror movies.

[00:05:57] Like, I'll watch them with you.

[00:06:01] And she kind of taught me how to make fun of them.

[00:06:04] Yeah.

[00:06:05] You know, and how to watch them for what they are.

[00:06:10] And so I developed through my reluctant jumping into them so that I could watch more movies with my girlfriend that I liked.

[00:06:20] You know.

[00:06:21] I really learned to love them.

[00:06:23] That reminds me.

[00:06:24] That's a similar story to what I had, I think.

[00:06:26] I just tell the story that I started watching her because it, for some reason, made me have less.

[00:06:30] It made me lucid dream better.

[00:06:32] More feeling of empowering.

[00:06:33] Did you listen to the most recent sidetrack?

[00:06:35] I did.

[00:06:36] Yeah.

[00:06:36] Yeah, I listened to the episode and I agree with Nicole on everything except that I can see in the mirror when I lucid dream.

[00:06:44] Or at least I used to be able to when I was younger because I used to like to try on outfits, like invent costumes for myself.

[00:06:52] It was fun.

[00:06:53] Okay.

[00:06:54] It was like having an infinite dress up chest.

[00:06:59] Anyway, good episode.

[00:07:01] Go listen to it.

[00:07:01] If you haven't.

[00:07:02] So, yeah.

[00:07:03] But your story about your wife, girlfriend getting you into horror reminded me or teaching you how to laugh at it reminded me of I had a best friend growing up who was three years older than me.

[00:07:15] And she's the one who taught me to pay attention to the horror special effects.

[00:07:20] And, of course, this was like in the 90s.

[00:07:21] So, you know, they weren't that great.

[00:07:24] And that also got me to not be scared of it as much, but also made me really interested in practical effects makeup.

[00:07:35] That's something I'm still interested in.

[00:07:39] But, John, is this your first time watching these three films?

[00:07:43] It is.

[00:07:46] Or four films?

[00:07:48] I think when I was living in Asheville, North Carolina, and there was like a used DVD store.

[00:07:52] They had like five for five dollars.

[00:07:55] And I saw it and I was like, that seems fun.

[00:07:57] It's Halloween time.

[00:07:58] So, I picked that up.

[00:07:59] And I never watched it.

[00:08:01] But, yeah.

[00:08:02] So, you said let's do it.

[00:08:04] I'm like, yeah, all right.

[00:08:04] That sounds fun.

[00:08:05] And I agree with you, Alicia.

[00:08:07] I like the ghostly horror better than I like slasher horror.

[00:08:12] So, I was glad that you picked something in this genre.

[00:08:16] Am I supposed to give my hot take yet?

[00:08:18] Or are we just talking about history?

[00:08:21] No, no.

[00:08:22] I mean, yeah.

[00:08:23] Just give your hot take.

[00:08:24] But between the 82 and 15, if someone's new and hasn't watched any of them, which would you recommend they start with?

[00:08:31] There's no question.

[00:08:33] I mean, 15 is not unique.

[00:08:37] It is not required viewing, I would say.

[00:08:41] Yeah.

[00:08:42] It's more of a completionist thing.

[00:08:44] Yeah.

[00:08:45] Yeah.

[00:08:46] What about you, David?

[00:08:48] Oh, 82.

[00:08:49] Hands down.

[00:08:49] There's nothing quite comes to the close.

[00:08:55] I mean, we're going to break it down and we'll talk about why 2015 is not.

[00:08:59] It pales in comparison to 82.

[00:09:02] And you can't really watch two or three without seeing one.

[00:09:07] You just don't have any sort of context for what's happening.

[00:09:11] So, yeah.

[00:09:12] 82 is the definitive.

[00:09:13] Yeah.

[00:09:15] Yeah.

[00:09:15] I think that, I mean, I would, of course, also say 82.

[00:09:18] But I think that 2015 is not as bad as people say.

[00:09:22] I think there's like a reaction to how dare you remake this movie and make it more soulless.

[00:09:28] It's not bad, but it's not a new, it doesn't add anything.

[00:09:33] Right.

[00:09:33] Yeah.

[00:09:34] If it's pointless, I think I saw someone say somewhere.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:37] I agree with that.

[00:09:38] That's a great way to put it.

[00:09:40] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:41] It was like, why?

[00:09:42] Why are we doing this?

[00:09:43] And if you're tracking, it tracked very closely and actually incorporated some elements of two

[00:09:48] and three into it that I know just a couple of little details to it.

[00:09:52] And it just, it didn't, it didn't make a, yeah, it's pointless.

[00:09:59] I don't think there's any other words for it.

[00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:01] At least we had Greg from Succession.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:04] And Sage from The Boys Season 4.

[00:10:07] Oh, I didn't notice that.

[00:10:09] Yeah.

[00:10:10] Look, you got to break some Gregs to make a tomlet.

[00:10:13] Aw.

[00:10:15] So, John, what would be your Pukila rating for this one?

[00:10:19] And also, yeah, in terms of, and do you think one or both is scarier?

[00:10:25] In what ways?

[00:10:26] Um, I think, I think one is scarier because it does the, it does a better job of like having that dread than the second one.

[00:10:37] The second one, I feel like, so they're both about the same length.

[00:10:40] So that's interesting.

[00:10:41] But the second, the first one has much better pacing.

[00:10:45] The first one feels like the buildup to the big moments is better.

[00:10:52] My daughter is singing Pizza Party Outside My Door.

[00:10:56] Um, and I don't know why, because we're not having a pizza party.

[00:10:59] But anyway, I just think that they do a much better job being like, okay, here's the scare, this scare, this scare.

[00:11:05] And then we're finally moving into it.

[00:11:07] It really helped set that formula that we eventually have.

[00:11:10] Whereas, I just felt like everything was so sudden all the time in the new remake.

[00:11:17] So yeah, I just, I think the first one's scarier.

[00:11:20] Just because of that dread.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:24] And do you have a peculia rating for it?

[00:11:26] Oh, peculia rating.

[00:11:27] It's not that bad because the most violent thing I can think of is just, it's a dummy.

[00:11:33] It's very clearly a dummy.

[00:11:35] So I'm going to say peculia plus two.

[00:11:40] Okay.

[00:11:41] Not that bad.

[00:11:42] Yeah.

[00:11:43] Yeah.

[00:11:43] I think it's, that's fair.

[00:11:45] The, um, I think the scariest thing from the second one is that you see more of the other side.

[00:11:52] Uh, and that's, I, I think that that's the best part of the second movie for me actually.

[00:11:56] Um, and the first one, indeed, it's more about like just the dread and I actually have to applaud how well they handled.

[00:12:05] Obviously a minimal special effects budget.

[00:12:07] You know, they really partitioned it out.

[00:12:09] Yeah, they did.

[00:12:10] They did.

[00:12:10] They did a really good job.

[00:12:11] Yeah.

[00:12:13] Um, David, what do you think?

[00:12:14] Uh, which would you say is scarier in what way and what would be your peculia rating?

[00:12:20] Uh, of all, of all the movies, which is the most scary?

[00:12:23] No, of these two particularly.

[00:12:25] Oh, of these two in particular.

[00:12:26] You know, I did get a few good scares in the second one.

[00:12:31] There were a couple of, uh, quick scenes or little moments where I was like, ooh, that, that got me.

[00:12:37] More jump scares, yeah.

[00:12:38] A little bit more jump scares and there were just a couple more things.

[00:12:41] But then there are some scenes in one that are absolutely terrifying.

[00:12:48] And I think they build up the terror better.

[00:12:52] And so it ramps up nicer and you're really invested in the family by the time things start to turn.

[00:12:59] Yeah.

[00:13:00] Uh, and then when you get to some of the big crisis moments, um, they really throw some stuff at you that I think, you know, to, to put the film, to, to review the film in its, um, taking it for what it is.

[00:13:17] And when it was created, a lot of the special effects, like if you know that these are a lot of practical effects and there's not a lot of CGI as we know it, you know, they use some other cool stuff that was kind of groundbreaking.

[00:13:30] I guess, um, uh, Spielberg and ILM use, you know, they used ILM to do some of the special effects, but there are so many practical effects.

[00:13:38] And I don't know, that just adds to the, um, the terrifying nature of it.

[00:13:44] So I think, I think one is more scary and I'd give it a, I'd also give it a plus two.

[00:13:49] That's about right.

[00:13:51] No, that seems fair.

[00:13:52] And would you recommend the sequels to someone who likes the first one?

[00:13:58] Ooh, uh, yeah.

[00:14:00] I mean, if you're, you know, if you're a completionist, you're not gonna, you're not gonna lose out.

[00:14:06] Like I didn't regret watching all four of them.

[00:14:08] I didn't feel like, oh, those are a few hours of my life that I'm ever going to get back.

[00:14:12] I'm kind of glad that I, I watched them three is hilarious in its, um, so it's just so eighties corporate tower and that you living in this high rise building that that is just wild.

[00:14:23] Although I have out of world, I have, I have real world reasons that three, I don't like, I don't like that.

[00:14:29] It got made, but anyway, we'll, we'll talk about that tomorrow.

[00:14:33] Right.

[00:14:34] Um, and then two, I kind of liked it.

[00:14:39] So, so there's parts of each two and three that I can appreciate.

[00:14:43] Whereas as a whole, you know, yeah, you know, you can, if you get them on streaming or free, you find a cheap DVD.

[00:14:49] Why not?

[00:14:50] You know, they're, they're kind of fun.

[00:14:51] It too has a better lore world building component to it.

[00:14:56] And even though I don't think one needs to have, um, the backstory that two creates for it, um, it's still, I thought worked well and, and there was some fun, um, aspects to it.

[00:15:10] So I don't think either two or three are a waste of celluloid, so to speak.

[00:15:15] Um, but unless you're into the genre and really, you know, uh, want to explore all of these things, it's not necessary to go out and see them.

[00:15:24] Um, they're at least all short, right?

[00:15:26] Like if you didn't like it, you're not here for a three hour movie.

[00:15:29] They're all like nine minutes tight.

[00:15:31] Yeah.

[00:15:32] Yeah.

[00:15:33] Yeah.

[00:15:33] Yeah.

[00:15:34] I, I, uh, think two is, two is, uh, definitely my least favorite out of four.

[00:15:41] It's mercifully short.

[00:15:41] It's mercifully short.

[00:15:43] And it does actually have the best part of it is, um, Reverend came who's this very scary antagonist.

[00:15:50] Uh, and we'll talk more about that character and the actor who played him, uh, when we do our, our, uh, 11 C's episode.

[00:15:58] But that for me, that is alone worth watching it.

[00:16:02] Um, and three, I, like I said, I quite enjoyed it.

[00:16:05] I'm very curious, John, to hear what you'll say about why you're upset it got me to know.

[00:16:10] Um, any, any other thoughts that you guys had in the spoiler free zone for people who are considering whether or not to watch these?

[00:16:18] Definitely watch 82.

[00:16:20] Yeah.

[00:16:20] Like it's solid.

[00:16:21] It's a solid movie period.

[00:16:23] It's well constructed.

[00:16:24] It's well shot.

[00:16:25] It's well acted.

[00:16:25] It's a well written and it doesn't need two or three.

[00:16:29] Uh, it stands alone and, uh, it's, it's worth it.

[00:16:33] It's a great, it's a great spooktober classic.

[00:16:35] It's like, uh, you know, if we talk about Christmas classic movies, like Poltergeist should be in a spooktober, you know, canon, uh, films.

[00:16:42] And again, it's 90 minutes.

[00:16:44] That's an episode and a half of the penguin.

[00:16:46] I mean, come on, let's just watch the stupid movie.

[00:16:49] Yeah, no, I mean, yeah.

[00:16:51] And then you can be part of the conversations and stuff, but I mean, I guess if you are someone who gets very easily scared there, it's scary, you know, it's not, not scary, but, um, I'm not one to a good at judging how scary things are, but I think in any other case, it's worth having that film education at the very least.

[00:17:11] And if you like it, keep going with the others.

[00:17:13] Yep.

[00:17:14] Fair enough.

[00:17:15] Yep.

[00:17:16] All right.

[00:17:16] Let's jump into spoilers.

[00:17:20] Ooh.

[00:17:23] They're here.

[00:17:25] Iconic.

[00:17:26] Nice.

[00:17:27] Iconic.

[00:17:29] So both movies have the same plots, which I'll just read out simply.

[00:17:33] A family moves into a new suburban home that unbeknownst to them was built on the graves of an allegedly relocated graveyard.

[00:17:40] The spirits led by a demonic entity begin invading the home first through TV static and strange anomalies that get more and more extreme, eventually kidnapping the youngest child and pulling her to the other side.

[00:17:52] Her family determined to get her back, hire a team of psychics.

[00:17:55] However, when the job proves too big for them, they call in a ringer who leads the family through a rescue that has one family member following a rope through the other side to rescue the baby of the family, eventually dropping out of the living room ceiling exit from ghost land in a gooey pile.

[00:18:11] However, the super psychics declaration that this house is clean.

[00:18:16] Do you have one for that?

[00:18:19] I do not have that in.

[00:18:20] I'm sorry.

[00:18:21] Proves premature and angry entities make one last push to trap the girl and her family who finally managed to escape as their house is destroyed.

[00:18:30] They leave their suburban nightmare behind to start a new life elsewhere.

[00:18:36] Any basic plot points I missed?

[00:18:38] I think that sums it up well.

[00:18:41] I mean, they get rid of their TV at the end.

[00:18:42] I liked that.

[00:18:44] Yeah.

[00:18:44] Pushing it out of the room.

[00:18:45] Especially in the first one.

[00:18:46] Yeah.

[00:18:48] It reminds me of, did you guys see The Ring?

[00:18:51] Or Ringu, the Japanese version?

[00:18:52] After I first, I like went all in and started watching like the Japanese ones after the American one and stuff.

[00:19:00] And then I turned my TV around so it didn't face my bed for like a week.

[00:19:06] Oh.

[00:19:07] Oh boy.

[00:19:09] But so the film's called Poltergeist.

[00:19:12] Do you guys want to act out?

[00:19:15] There's two conversations where they, you know, you get the Leo Poynti meme.

[00:19:18] That's the film title moment.

[00:19:20] And do you want to act it out?

[00:19:22] And David, you be purple.

[00:19:24] And John, you be green.

[00:19:26] Okay.

[00:19:27] Wait.

[00:19:27] Which characters are these though?

[00:19:28] So I can do an impression.

[00:19:29] So I actually have to say that the purple text is like, is the characters together.

[00:19:37] Okay.

[00:19:38] The psychic side.

[00:19:39] And the green text is the parents' characters together.

[00:19:41] Okay.

[00:19:42] I just didn't know if I could do my Tangina voice.

[00:19:46] Well, sure.

[00:19:46] Yeah.

[00:19:47] I don't think she was there yet.

[00:19:48] You do the purple.

[00:19:49] Yeah, that's true.

[00:19:50] She wasn't.

[00:19:51] But if you want to do your Tangina voice, you do the purple and David do the green.

[00:19:55] All right.

[00:19:56] For 1982.

[00:19:57] Poltergeists are usually associated with an individual.

[00:20:02] Hauntings seem to be connected with an area, a house usually.

[00:20:07] Poltergeist disturbances have a fairly short duration.

[00:20:11] Perhaps a couple of months.

[00:20:13] Hauntings can go on for years.

[00:20:15] Are you telling me that all of this could just suddenly end at any time?

[00:20:20] Yes, it could.

[00:20:21] Unless it's a haunting.

[00:20:23] But hauntings don't usually revolve around living people.

[00:20:27] Then why don't we have much time?

[00:20:29] Because my daughter is alive in this house.

[00:20:33] Oh, I have to do Jared Harris's bad Irish accent now.

[00:20:36] Yes.

[00:20:38] 2015.

[00:20:38] 2015.

[00:20:39] From my experience, this doesn't seem to be a classic haunting.

[00:20:42] What you have here is probably closer to a poltergeist in Trojan.

[00:20:47] Just as good as his.

[00:20:50] What's the difference?

[00:20:51] Ghosts usually appear as harmless apparitions.

[00:20:54] Whereas poltergeists, they're noisy.

[00:20:56] They lash out.

[00:20:57] They're violent.

[00:20:58] They move objects.

[00:20:59] It comes.

[00:21:00] And then it can just suddenly go away.

[00:21:04] And take Maddie with it.

[00:21:07] So I do have to say the second definition is more what I've always heard growing up.

[00:21:11] Yeah, me too.

[00:21:13] Yeah.

[00:21:14] Because my parents lived in a house that was said to be haunted by a poltergeist when I was born.

[00:21:19] Anyway, what were you saying, David?

[00:21:21] Just in 1982, I don't think we had any knowledge of what a poltergeist was or a ghost or a haunting.

[00:21:27] Like we didn't have any distinction or definitions for these things.

[00:21:31] So the movie itself was, you know, I'm just saying in popular culture as teenagers running around.

[00:21:37] Well, maybe that's why.

[00:21:37] I was born in 1982.

[00:21:38] So maybe that's why they said that.

[00:21:40] I mean, my mom does have a picture actually of a ghost.

[00:21:44] Oh.

[00:21:45] So the movie in a way served as a kind of cultural education for us.

[00:21:50] And so suddenly we had a difference between the two.

[00:21:55] But prior to that, I don't think we even thought.

[00:21:57] We just thought ghosts, haunting, scary, Scooby-Doo, whatever.

[00:22:00] Or, you know, there was no definition to the genre.

[00:22:05] Yeah.

[00:22:05] That reminds me of how exorcism was like a dead trade.

[00:22:08] Like the Catholic church didn't really do it anymore.

[00:22:10] And then the exorcist came out and everybody was like, my child is possessed.

[00:22:14] And then they're just propped up this whole cottage industry of exorcisms that were like mostly rogue Catholic priests.

[00:22:21] Like I can make a buck on this.

[00:22:23] Yeah.

[00:22:23] Well, I mean, I guess if you think about it.

[00:22:26] So this came out the year I was born.

[00:22:27] And I know that's the year I think when my mom took this famous in our family photo.

[00:22:33] And, you know, my father is much more the skeptical type.

[00:22:35] So he was like, so it's a picture in a fireplace.

[00:22:38] And if you look at the negative, especially, it just really looks like a little man with a goatee holding a wine goblet.

[00:22:44] And the neighbors next door who were, it was a duplex in the middle of the woods in Pennsylvania.

[00:22:49] And the other side was newly renovated.

[00:22:52] So they said that they would, they would like get their salt spilled or things they were looking for disappeared and stuff.

[00:22:58] And then my mom took this picture of the fireplace playing with her new camera.

[00:23:02] And when it came back, you see this like figure in it.

[00:23:05] And my father's going around like measuring the fireplace, trying to like prove to her how it would appear on image.

[00:23:12] But I can imagine that that whole idea and discussion was probably influenced by this movie.

[00:23:18] Come to think of it.

[00:23:19] Our fiction does influence our lives.

[00:23:22] Yes.

[00:23:22] It does.

[00:23:23] Still have the picture though.

[00:23:25] Nice.

[00:23:26] So the original movie again, yeah.

[00:23:29] 1982 directed by Toby Hooper, who is a horror director.

[00:23:35] The screenplay, this is an Amblin production with MGM by produced by Frank Marshall and Steven Spielberg.

[00:23:41] The story was by Steven Spielberg and the screenplay, Steven Spielberg, Michael Grace and Mark Victor.

[00:23:48] Did you guys know that going in that Spielberg was so heavily involved?

[00:23:51] I did.

[00:23:52] I read the Wikipedia and some other articles.

[00:23:58] And so, yeah, I have that, you know, derived background knowledge of how this came about.

[00:24:04] And then some of the controversy around it.

[00:24:06] Yeah.

[00:24:08] Controversy about the quote unquote curse or?

[00:24:11] Controversy around the director's credits.

[00:24:13] How much Spielberg was involved.

[00:24:15] Oh, yeah.

[00:24:15] Apparently there's different, according to the Wikipedia article, there are different opinions about how much Spielberg was actually involved.

[00:24:27] Apparently he was engaged at that time with making E.T., which came out at the same time as this.

[00:24:36] And the accounts differ to how much he was on set and how much he was directing it.

[00:24:44] And there was even the DGA even sort of did a cursory investigation to see if Hooper actually deserved the credit.

[00:24:54] And so, you know, different actors or different set people were like, no, Spielberg was hardly around.

[00:25:00] And other people were like, Spielberg was there almost every day, you know?

[00:25:04] So there's this conversation about whether Hooper, who I don't think had a lot of experience with this particular genre.

[00:25:13] And this was definitely a creation of Spielberg.

[00:25:16] And so his fingerprints are all over it, regardless of whether, you know, you want to actually count the minutes he was on set and how many times he actually called cut.

[00:25:24] Right.

[00:25:25] Yeah, I think so Amblin Entertainment, for anyone who doesn't know, they are the production company who Spielberg is a big name in it.

[00:25:32] Kathleen Kennedy is a big name in it.

[00:25:36] Frank Marshall also.

[00:25:37] And they are behind a lot of like the biggest movies of the 80s, like E.T., Jaws, Gremlins, Who Framed Roger Rabbit into, you know, for decades.

[00:25:49] And I think that the wholesome family elements of this film come from that DNA.

[00:25:55] What do you guys think?

[00:25:57] Yeah, I mean, Amblin is, for me, it's a known brand for that.

[00:26:02] And the whole E.T., you know, I believe that's the same logo, right?

[00:26:06] Let me make sure I'm having a Mandela moment here.

[00:26:09] E.T. is Amblin, yeah.

[00:26:11] Right, no, but I'm saying the logo of the Amblin movie's old logo, which I believe.

[00:26:18] Oh, yeah, it's E.T.

[00:26:20] It's flying in front of the moon on the bike, yeah.

[00:26:22] Yeah, exactly.

[00:26:23] Yeah, there it is.

[00:26:24] Yeah, okay, found it.

[00:26:24] Yep.

[00:26:25] So that is, but it's also not a brand that was completely Disney-fied.

[00:26:34] It wasn't a complete sanitized.

[00:26:36] I mean...

[00:26:37] A lot of horror movies.

[00:26:38] Yeah, E.T. was tense.

[00:26:41] There's a lot of dramatic tension in that movie.

[00:26:44] And so, yeah, I think Amblin was a, for me, was always a brand that you knew that it was going to be a solid movie.

[00:26:52] Whether you were interested in that story or that genre, you know, that's a personal choice.

[00:26:57] But in terms of delivery of product, they're always going to put whatever they're going to put on the table, you know it's going to be a decent showing.

[00:27:06] Yeah.

[00:27:06] John, did you grow up watching Amblin movies too?

[00:27:09] I'm now trying to figure out, okay, Jaws, yeah.

[00:27:12] I've seen Jaws.

[00:27:14] Goonies.

[00:27:15] Goonies, yeah.

[00:27:16] Okay, yeah, Gremlins.

[00:27:17] All right, Back to the Future?

[00:27:18] Oh, okay, yeah, definitely.

[00:27:20] The Land Before Time?

[00:27:22] Oh.

[00:27:23] I know.

[00:27:24] Oh, man.

[00:27:25] That traumatized an entire generation.

[00:27:27] Absolutely.

[00:27:28] Well, more, yeah.

[00:27:29] Wow, there's a lot of Amblin, more recent Amblin movies that I had no idea that Amblin was involved in.

[00:27:35] I'm just thinking from a historical standpoint.

[00:27:38] Balto.

[00:27:38] Well, this is one of the reasons why I'm excited for the new Star Wars movie, sorry, TV show that's coming out in December, Skeleton Crew.

[00:27:47] Apparently, it's got like big Amblin vibes.

[00:27:49] Okay.

[00:27:50] Oh, they had everything.

[00:27:50] Jurassic Park.

[00:27:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:27:52] The Land Before – okay, and The Mask of Zorro.

[00:27:55] Now, that deserves a remake.

[00:27:58] Empire of the Sun, Color Purple, Money Pit, Gremlins, Arachnophobia.

[00:28:04] Like, these are solid.

[00:28:05] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:06] And this was definitely a big hit for them.

[00:28:10] The budget was only $10.7 million.

[00:28:13] Wow.

[00:28:13] That is so –

[00:28:15] Yeah, and the box office was $121.7 million.

[00:28:18] So this was like –

[00:28:19] You can see why they kept trying to squeeze this one.

[00:28:22] They sure did.

[00:28:25] And it was well-received, too, on Rotten Tomato.

[00:28:28] The critics' reviews are 88% positive, 79% from audience.

[00:28:33] And on Metacritic, it's quite high for Metacritic, 79% from the critics' perspective, 7.7% from audiences.

[00:28:40] So, yeah, it's a beloved movie.

[00:28:45] John, what was the best part of either movie for you?

[00:28:49] The best part of the first movie?

[00:28:52] Of the first movie.

[00:28:53] Yeah, sorry.

[00:28:57] I think, actually, the most unique part of this movie was how excited the family was about the haunting at first.

[00:29:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:29:07] Like, the way that she's like, oh, put her on the floor.

[00:29:09] Let's have her get pushed to the wall.

[00:29:10] Like, I thought that was really unique for this.

[00:29:14] I don't think I've seen another horror movie where the family's, like, super, like, pumped about the haunting first.

[00:29:21] And then the second – am I supposed to do the second one?

[00:29:25] No, I guess we'll wait until we talk about it.

[00:29:27] Yeah.

[00:29:27] I'm good at that.

[00:29:27] Do you have a worst part for the first one?

[00:29:29] Oh, the worst part?

[00:29:35] I think just watching the parents parent their children may be the worst part.

[00:29:42] Like, they are – I'll get to it.

[00:29:45] I'll get to it.

[00:29:45] But I'm not a fan of these parents for a lot of reasons.

[00:29:50] Okay.

[00:29:50] Fair, fair.

[00:29:52] It's on point, I will say that, John.

[00:29:54] That is – they are not depicting something that wasn't true at the time.

[00:29:59] Yeah, I guess that's true.

[00:30:01] For me, I struggle finding a worst part for this first film.

[00:30:05] I know people find it kind of cheesy at times, but then I kind of like that about it.

[00:30:09] I like how, you know, we've kind of alluded to the way they linger in the family moments, and that makes – that creates more stakes for everything else.

[00:30:19] And also, I just think that this is – it feels more meaningful also because it's such a product of its time with the whole, like, satanic panic idea.

[00:30:28] And just – it's very much about suburban anxieties.

[00:30:31] I'm curious why you say it's part of satanic panic because I saw that in your outline, and I was very curious because I've listened to a bunch of podcasts about the satanic panic, and I'm not seeing it in this.

[00:30:41] But now I want you to explain.

[00:30:43] I mean, it's not like Dungeons and Dragons or something, but it is part of this whole, like – I think there's no Ouija boards in this movie, but there might as well be, you know?

[00:30:54] And that was a big thing when I was growing up slightly after this in the 80s.

[00:30:59] It was, like, a big thing that people were worried about and also interested in.

[00:31:03] And I think people often apply the satanic panic part to when it's brought into unreasonable realms, like, you know, a fantasy tabletop game.

[00:31:12] But I think that there was really this fear of – you know, I grew up in a place where we were told that we were on an ancient burial ground.

[00:31:24] Wow.

[00:31:26] And, you know, so we always were, like, trying to do, like, Ouija boards and tell ghost stories and things like that.

[00:31:31] And I don't know.

[00:31:32] It just felt like something of that era.

[00:31:34] What do you think, David?

[00:31:36] Well, I was curious – I'll tell you what I think in a second, but I'm curious with – John, you said you listened to a bunch of podcasts about satanic panic.

[00:31:43] Was that all in reference to Dungeons and Dragons?

[00:31:45] No.

[00:31:45] Actually, it was very little about Dungeons and Dragons.

[00:31:48] Okay.

[00:31:49] The satanic panic, actually –

[00:31:51] It's a much wider cultural phenomenon.

[00:31:53] Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

[00:31:55] It's not – I mean, it gets attached to D&D because that was one of the things that propelled it.

[00:31:59] And so that's what I was curious was, like, was your perspective on it the wider or the narrower?

[00:32:03] It was the wider.

[00:32:04] So I actually – I listened to You're Wrong About, which is a very good podcast about, you know, sort of cultural misconceptions.

[00:32:12] They try to correct the record, you know?

[00:32:14] And it's really interesting is that, like, the whole satanic panic really centered around schools and, like, caretakers being suspected of, like, child sacrifice and child abuse in furtherance of, like, satanic goals.

[00:32:32] Mm-hmm.

[00:32:33] And part of the reason –

[00:32:34] So it's like the QAnon of the day.

[00:32:35] Sarah Marshall does a lot of the research on this, and I know she was working on a book about the satanic panic at one point.

[00:32:41] I think she scrapped it, but she was saying, you know, really the whole satanic panic arose because society had just come to terms with the fact that children were being abused.

[00:32:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:33:27] So it's like the fact that children were being abused, but they were being abused, and they were being abused.

[00:33:42] They were – they were being abused, and they were being abused.

[00:33:43] They were being abused.

[00:33:45] They were being abused.

[00:33:47] They were being abused.

[00:33:48] They were being abused.

[00:33:48] But there was this external anxiety telling my parents that they needed to watch and make sure I didn't become a satanist, that sort of thing.

[00:33:56] That's mostly what I think of as satanic panic.

[00:33:59] Yeah, I think it evolved into that, but it really started in this whole, like, there are real satanic cults that are, like, meaning to devote themselves to Satan, not like the influence of the devil and the creative works.

[00:34:11] I mean, I did have a friend growing up who was, his family was very religious.

[00:34:15] And he said to me, he's like, you're reading Harry Potter and therefore you are learning the devil's work.

[00:34:20] And I was like, I don't think so.

[00:34:23] I don't think so.

[00:34:24] I'm pretty sure I'm not.

[00:34:26] Wait till I show you a Mephisto comic.

[00:34:31] I think to add into that briefly too, there was literally, and this goes into the whole childcare thing.

[00:34:38] And are we paying attention to our children?

[00:34:40] And are we believing our children?

[00:34:42] And John, you were talking about the parenting style of the Freelands in the first movie.

[00:34:49] And this is a thing that's been dredged up on some social media platforms as a funny meme and things like that.

[00:34:56] But there were literally television commercials at 10 p.m. that would come on and say, it's 10 p.m.

[00:35:04] Do you know where your children are?

[00:35:05] Oh, that was the one when I was a kid.

[00:35:07] I remember that.

[00:35:07] Okay.

[00:35:08] That happened.

[00:35:09] So because we were in bed and then we snuck out.

[00:35:13] We all had our escape routes and different ways to get out.

[00:35:16] And we were literally running the streets, at least in high school, way later than we were supposed to be.

[00:35:22] So there was this lack of control and lack of attention.

[00:35:26] Or in this movie, or even in the third movie, no spoilers, but they, no big spoilers, but they packed their kid off.

[00:35:36] They're like, oh, go live with somebody else.

[00:35:38] We're not dealing with you.

[00:35:39] Or just throwing him in a taxi.

[00:35:42] Bye.

[00:35:42] Right.

[00:35:43] Yeah.

[00:35:43] That was for real.

[00:35:45] It was also the latchkey kid generation idea.

[00:35:48] Totally.

[00:35:48] You know, where it was when it was just the beginning, I guess, where both parents were often working and some kids would come home on there and be on their own after school.

[00:35:58] And who knows what they got up to.

[00:36:01] Yeah.

[00:36:01] And some kids got into trouble.

[00:36:03] We played D&D.

[00:36:04] But a lot of us.

[00:36:04] Yeah.

[00:36:05] We're just.

[00:36:05] What's sad is that like most of the violence against kids were happening from like their dads.

[00:36:10] And most of the kidnappings are like divorced parents.

[00:36:13] But that's a harder pill to swallow.

[00:36:16] So people were more ready to say like, no, it's cults.

[00:36:19] It's satanic cults.

[00:36:22] And I think that was the point of Sarah Marshall's podcast.

[00:36:24] Anyway, I would recommend people check them out if they want to learn more about the satanic panic.

[00:36:28] I think we can keep going on poltergeist.

[00:36:31] Okay.

[00:36:31] So David, what's your best and worst part of the original film?

[00:36:36] I can't.

[00:36:37] I was racking my brain while you were both sharing yours.

[00:36:39] And I can't think of one.

[00:36:41] There's no worst part for me.

[00:36:43] Yeah.

[00:36:43] That's why I went with the parents.

[00:36:44] Because I was like, I can only go in like a plot point here.

[00:36:48] Yeah.

[00:36:49] There's no plot point that I can think of.

[00:36:51] And I can't.

[00:36:54] Yeah.

[00:36:54] I don't really.

[00:36:56] I mean, Tangina's.

[00:36:57] What's Tangina's actor's name?

[00:36:59] Zelda.

[00:37:00] Zelda Rubenstein.

[00:37:01] Yeah.

[00:37:01] Zelda Rubenstein.

[00:37:02] You know, her acting's maybe not.

[00:37:05] She's so much better than Teen Witch.

[00:37:06] I will defend her.

[00:37:07] Just saying.

[00:37:08] She's the best in Teen Witch.

[00:37:09] Everyone wants Teen Witch.

[00:37:11] I'm not knocking her.

[00:37:13] I want her to be my life coach.

[00:37:15] Yeah.

[00:37:16] This lady has unlimited crazy.

[00:37:19] Yeah.

[00:37:19] And I love it.

[00:37:21] Well, now I should maybe retract that.

[00:37:24] That's the worst thing.

[00:37:25] I'm just saying her acting chops.

[00:37:27] Like, she didn't have a lot of acting chops coming into it.

[00:37:29] So, I think that my favorite moment from the movie is the swimming pool scene.

[00:37:36] That is terrifying.

[00:37:39] It's disgusting.

[00:37:40] It's visceral.

[00:37:43] The horror of the idea of, you know, the crawling out of the mud.

[00:37:48] It was perfect.

[00:37:49] It was an absolutely iconic scene and did its job.

[00:37:54] And they set it up for the whole movie, right?

[00:37:56] With a whole bunch of different parts of it.

[00:37:58] So, yeah.

[00:37:59] That was my favorite, for sure.

[00:38:00] Yeah.

[00:38:01] That was the most memorable part of the movie for me, I know.

[00:38:04] Because, like, when I was re-watching it the whole time, I was like, oh, when's that going to happen?

[00:38:07] And then it's that fake-out second ending.

[00:38:10] Yes, exactly.

[00:38:11] Yeah.

[00:38:11] Yeah, the Peter Jackson second ending.

[00:38:16] Okay.

[00:38:17] So, we're going to cover in 11sies, Poltergeist 2, The Other Side, which was released in 1986, and Poltergeist 3, released in 1988.

[00:38:24] But moving on to the remake slash reboot, Poltergeist released in 2015.

[00:38:31] The director was Gil Kennan.

[00:38:33] This screenplay was by David Lindsay of Bear, but obviously based on the previous film's story.

[00:38:39] And it was produced by Sam Raimi.

[00:38:41] Rob Tappert, Roy Lee.

[00:38:43] This was...

[00:38:44] I don't...

[00:38:45] Amelin wasn't involved in this one.

[00:38:46] This was a Fox 2000 Pictures MGM Ghost House production, amongst a couple others.

[00:38:54] And it still did okay at the box office.

[00:38:56] The budget was $35 million, and it got $95.4 million.

[00:39:00] The box office clearly not as big a hit as the previous one, but considering...

[00:39:04] It did decent.

[00:39:05] It did decent numbers.

[00:39:06] Especially considering the reviews are...

[00:39:08] Rotten Tomatoes is 29% positive from critics.

[00:39:11] Oof.

[00:39:12] 22% from audiences.

[00:39:13] I mean, that's like a 50% in terms of horror movies, because horror movies always you got to subtract like 20 points.

[00:39:19] Because critics just hate horror movies.

[00:39:21] Yeah, that's true.

[00:39:22] Well, same genre movies in general, I guess.

[00:39:25] And Metacritic is a more even 47 from the critics and 4.1 from the audience.

[00:39:32] But as I said, I think...

[00:39:33] Brutal.

[00:39:34] I think, yeah, they're being too hard on it, because they're comparing it to the original.

[00:39:38] As its own, it's like, fine.

[00:39:39] Yeah.

[00:39:39] You know?

[00:39:40] Right.

[00:39:40] Fine.

[00:39:41] Yeah.

[00:39:42] I think I gave it this one three stars.

[00:39:45] You know, whatever.

[00:39:47] Diverting enough watch.

[00:39:49] But, John, what was your best and worst part of the second movie?

[00:39:54] I think the best new scare was the drill scene with Greg.

[00:39:58] I'm going to call him Greg the whole time.

[00:40:00] I mean, I can't stop.

[00:40:01] I think it's fair.

[00:40:02] I think it's fair.

[00:40:03] It's fair.

[00:40:03] And the worst part was Jared Harris.

[00:40:07] Just wasting Jared Harris really was the worst part for me.

[00:40:10] Like, did not give him any great monologues.

[00:40:13] Gave him a weird accent that was completely unnecessary.

[00:40:16] Like, this should have just been Liam Neeson.

[00:40:18] If this was the character, this was a Liam Neeson role.

[00:40:21] Yeah, exactly.

[00:40:22] Why?

[00:40:22] If you want an Irish character, why not hire an Irish actor?

[00:40:25] That being said, he does an exceptional accent in The Expanse.

[00:40:28] So, I was surprised how bad it was here.

[00:40:30] Yeah, it's really bad.

[00:40:32] I guess they didn't budget for a dialect coach.

[00:40:34] No.

[00:40:36] What about you, David?

[00:40:40] My favorite parts were some of the storyline.

[00:40:49] Not storyline, but around the little girl.

[00:40:55] And what's her name?

[00:40:57] Sorry.

[00:40:57] I feel bad.

[00:40:58] I can't even remember the name.

[00:40:59] Tangina?

[00:41:00] Zelda Rubensseid?

[00:41:01] No, no.

[00:41:01] The girl.

[00:41:02] The youngest daughter.

[00:41:03] Taylor.

[00:41:04] Carol Ann.

[00:41:05] Is she Carol Ann?

[00:41:06] Is she Maddie in the new one, right?

[00:41:07] We're talking about the new one.

[00:41:08] Oh, Maddie in the new one.

[00:41:09] Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[00:41:10] So, Maddie, like, there were some great little moments.

[00:41:14] There was the great jump scare in the closet when she has that, like, weird horror face.

[00:41:18] And there's another great scene where she gets, like, sucked away and she gets sort of pulled and, you know, up the wall and all that kind of stuff.

[00:41:25] I thought all of that was good.

[00:41:28] Those were a couple of the moments that caught me.

[00:41:30] And I'm with John that Jared Harris is just a complete waste in this movie.

[00:41:35] And it was just kind of sad to see him, you know, in that position.

[00:41:42] It just was just the, oh, I'm going to actually say that there's a couple of lines that Sam Rockwell delivers when they're holding onto the rope.

[00:41:53] And, you know, it's going to be okay.

[00:41:56] You know, these just really dumb wooden lines.

[00:42:00] This better be okay.

[00:42:02] So, I'm going to say, even though Jared Harris was wasted, I'm going to say some of the dialogue in the films around that rope scene is, I think, my worst moment.

[00:42:15] Yeah.

[00:42:17] Yeah, I think that some of, I guess, some of the best parts were, I already said I liked how they did the other side.

[00:42:23] That was the scariest part of the movie for me.

[00:42:25] That was pretty creepy.

[00:42:26] Yeah, for sure.

[00:42:27] Yeah.

[00:42:27] With those figures flitting about and stuff.

[00:42:30] Yeah.

[00:42:30] And I liked, I guess, Sam Rockwell better than Craig T. Nelson's dad.

[00:42:37] Oh, no.

[00:42:37] Just because he was like less.

[00:42:38] He was less angry.

[00:42:42] But we're going to talk about in a minute the whole parents thing.

[00:42:45] And I think that they definitely made the character development worse for the sequel.

[00:42:51] And in general, like the sequel, it was, you know, you pointed out, it's the same runtime.

[00:42:56] And for some reason, it feels like it just covered so much less.

[00:43:01] Like there are fewer characters, but everything also feels more shallow.

[00:43:05] And I'm not sure how they did that.

[00:43:09] But overall, it just, yeah, it feels like slicker is the word I would say.

[00:43:13] You know, updated production values, but for better or worse.

[00:43:16] Right.

[00:43:16] Right.

[00:43:16] The camp was part of the charm.

[00:43:19] All right.

[00:43:20] Well, let's get into, we're going to be pitting various aspects of these two films, the 1982

[00:43:25] original and the 2015 remake, Head to Head.

[00:43:28] So we're going to get into that right after a quick break.

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[00:44:39] Okay, and we're back. So, are you guys ready for the showdown?

[00:44:43] Bing, bing!

[00:44:44] Oh, yeah.

[00:44:46] So, the first family is category and the first subcategory is the parents.

[00:44:52] So, 1982, we've got Stephen, Steve, Freeling, played by Craig T. Nelson

[00:44:58] and Diane Freeling, played by Jo Beth Williams, versus Eric Bowen, played by Sam Rockwell,

[00:45:04] and Amy Bowen, played by Amy DeWitt.

[00:45:06] David, who wins and why?

[00:45:09] The, uh, 82 family, Nelson and Jo Beth Williams.

[00:45:14] The, I'm a big Sam Rockwell stan.

[00:45:18] Uh, I really enjoy him in a lot of different things.

[00:45:21] But this family, overall, they just had nothing about them that made me care about them.

[00:45:28] Sam Rockwell's character, Eric Bowen, was kind of a jerk.

[00:45:31] Uh, Amy Bowen was perfectly nice.

[00:45:34] But they didn't do anything to establish my connection to them.

[00:45:40] And then, just the whole time, they're just, they are not people that I would want to hang out with

[00:45:45] in any way, shape, or form.

[00:45:47] Um, and I thought Eric Bowen was, he was snide and crass.

[00:45:51] And his humor, his sort of dad humor was always more kind of like almost subtle put-downs

[00:45:59] and, and mild bullying as opposed to, I'm a silly daddy, you know, and I'm doing silly daddy stuff.

[00:46:05] Mm-hmm.

[00:46:07] Versus the, um, the, the benign neglect that an average Gen X, you know, a kid would have had experience at that time.

[00:46:18] Mm-hmm.

[00:46:18] At least, uh, Craig T. Nelson and Jo Beth Williams, they were sweet, caring, you know, sort of fun.

[00:46:26] They were getting high, having a good time.

[00:46:28] And, you know, I, uh, I just enjoyed them so much more.

[00:46:31] Whereas the Bowens were just, I don't know.

[00:46:33] I just didn't get a nice vibe from them.

[00:46:36] I wouldn't want to hang out with them.

[00:46:37] I wouldn't have, I would not want to go over to their house for dinner.

[00:46:40] Mm-hmm.

[00:46:40] That's fair enough.

[00:46:41] That's fair enough.

[00:46:42] And what about you, John?

[00:46:43] You know, I, I really did enjoy that both movies had a different take on like why the families couldn't just move.

[00:46:49] You know, the first one was because dad is working at the, is selling houses for this company.

[00:46:55] Right.

[00:46:55] For this house that he lives in.

[00:46:57] The second one is that they're in financial distress.

[00:46:59] I, I think that just the way that Sam Rockwell's dad is so like reckless about pretty much everything makes me like him less.

[00:47:12] That said, my thoughts about the, uh, the Freeling dad, Steve Freeling.

[00:47:21] Um, when he's talking to the paranormal investigators and they're like, all right, give us the name and age of everybody in the house.

[00:47:27] They're like, okay, I have my daughter 16, my wife 31.

[00:47:33] Sir, how old was your wife when she became pregnant with your child?

[00:47:38] Uh, let's do the math here.

[00:47:40] 31 minus 16.

[00:47:43] We're taking you in, buddy.

[00:47:45] Yeah.

[00:47:46] That's, uh.

[00:47:47] Why did she have to be 31?

[00:47:48] That's my question.

[00:47:49] Like, couldn't she have just been 40?

[00:47:51] It would have been fine.

[00:47:52] Because women over 40 didn't exist in the 80s.

[00:47:55] They just.

[00:47:55] That's right.

[00:47:56] Bizarre.

[00:47:57] Bizarre toys.

[00:47:58] Didn't they establish as part of their, their, the background of their family too, that he was like, they were high school sweethearts kind of situation.

[00:48:06] Oh.

[00:48:06] How am I making that up?

[00:48:07] I don't remember it, but it could have happened.

[00:48:09] Yeah.

[00:48:09] They, I, I do remember them having some discussion about it because he, yeah, like he was dating some other girl and she was teasing him about it.

[00:48:17] And.

[00:48:18] That's right.

[00:48:18] That's right.

[00:48:19] Some of that interaction.

[00:48:21] I mean, I don't know.

[00:48:21] There was something about like, in some cases, I think that I love their scenes of just like, uh, smoking joints together and, and being like, you know, a couple together.

[00:48:31] You can just.

[00:48:32] And, and, you know, the kid runs into the room and they're like, oh crap.

[00:48:35] Oh crap.

[00:48:35] Nope.

[00:48:35] We're doing nothing.

[00:48:36] And I guess they both have those moments, but it felt more real in the original one.

[00:48:39] Right.

[00:48:40] But also just something about like the, um, the, you know, toxic masculinity going on with Craig T. Nelson at times rubs me the wrong way.

[00:48:49] And especially about like this whole backstory with the, um, with, with the, uh, yeah, whatever was going on with dating that other girl and stuff and the way he's teasing his wife about it.

[00:49:00] But I am not under the Sam Rockwell spell that a lot of people seem to be.

[00:49:06] No, I don't.

[00:49:07] I'm not a big fan.

[00:49:08] Yeah.

[00:49:09] Yeah.

[00:49:09] I, I, I guess I see why, you know, he's got some like rough around the edges charm or whatever.

[00:49:14] But, um, I think I was especially ruined by the movie that came out this year, Argyle.

[00:49:19] And I was like, nope, just, nope, just doesn't do it for me.

[00:49:23] So, yeah, that didn't, um, factor in there.

[00:49:26] And yeah, it did feel like the fact that they took out the parents, like smoking pot together and stuff felt like part of the whole sanitization aspect of this, of the second one.

[00:49:36] And I also, I did not like them.

[00:49:38] Um, I liked in the original, the fact that he was the realtor for the very houses they were living in and it puts a new kind of stakes in the situation.

[00:49:47] Like he's so invested in that because his job is tied to it, but he's also selling these houses to other people.

[00:49:54] So that's like a compounding guilt.

[00:49:55] Right.

[00:49:56] Right.

[00:49:57] And it also makes sense why that family was targeted.

[00:50:00] Right.

[00:50:00] Is that he's the top salesman of these houses on the burial ground.

[00:50:05] Hmm.

[00:50:06] Yeah.

[00:50:07] Yeah.

[00:50:07] Yeah.

[00:50:08] And I don't know, did, I guess Sam Rockwell never found a new job at the end or how are they buying these houses?

[00:50:15] It's a great question.

[00:50:16] They've got a nice new car.

[00:50:18] They've got a new house and.

[00:50:20] He's buying a drone.

[00:50:21] He's buying a drone.

[00:50:22] Yeah.

[00:50:22] Yeah.

[00:50:23] The drone.

[00:50:23] Oh, maybe that was one of my worst moments was the drone in 2015.

[00:50:26] That was silly.

[00:50:27] That was silly too.

[00:50:27] That was silly.

[00:50:28] It was flying through the ectoplasm.

[00:50:30] I don't know.

[00:50:30] Anyway, I do just really quickly, a quick note.

[00:50:34] On the relationship of the Freelings and Nelson and Jobbeth Williams, the.

[00:50:41] And this goes back to a previous comment that you made, Alicia, about this being suburbia.

[00:50:48] That was our future laid out for us as kids at that age.

[00:50:54] Right.

[00:50:54] You know, oh, well, we're just going to be part of this great continued expansion out into the suburban things.

[00:51:00] And you get married out of high school, you get a job, you have a family, you know, you sort of do that continuation of the 50s thing.

[00:51:07] So I think it really works for that.

[00:51:10] And yeah, I think the stakes of the fact that he was selling them, that gives it just that really great spin where the economic brutality of Sam Rockwell and the Bowen family, that was just harder to take.

[00:51:27] You know, it was just like, oh, that's just depressing.

[00:51:29] Right.

[00:51:30] That's not.

[00:51:30] Yeah.

[00:51:30] It wasn't fun.

[00:51:31] It wasn't a fun aspect of the movie.

[00:51:33] I agree with that.

[00:51:33] I think the implication in the guilt of the Freeling dad was done better.

[00:51:43] Was done better.

[00:51:43] The second one, he was just kind of a jerk.

[00:51:46] And the first one, it felt like every character fall he had was tied with the haunting.

[00:51:50] And that was really cool.

[00:51:51] And I thought unique to this whole thing.

[00:51:53] I do want to defend the second mom.

[00:51:56] I thought she was better than the first mom.

[00:51:58] She was fine.

[00:51:59] I agree.

[00:52:00] Because the first mom is literally laughing as her daughter is getting catcalled by the construction workers outside.

[00:52:07] Yeah, that was creepy.

[00:52:08] Boys will be boys.

[00:52:09] That was creepy.

[00:52:10] And I'm just like, come on.

[00:52:11] I mean, do we want another one of these themes to pop in?

[00:52:14] Come on.

[00:52:15] Stop it, Miss Freeling.

[00:52:16] Super creepy.

[00:52:18] Yeah.

[00:52:18] And that actor was who played Billy in Predator, the original Predator movie.

[00:52:26] Oh, really?

[00:52:27] Just a weird little, yeah.

[00:52:30] Okay.

[00:52:30] People who recognize him will do a Leo pointing.

[00:52:35] I also understood the second mom when, you know, because we'll talk about the middle kids next.

[00:52:42] But the less important kids, as I call them.

[00:52:45] Clearly not the favorites.

[00:52:47] But I understood her more like when she's ignoring her son.

[00:52:50] And this also goes down to, you know, compliments to the middle boy, I think, was the better of the two films in the later film.

[00:52:58] But he was like whining about ghosts.

[00:53:00] And you can just see and just like understand her.

[00:53:03] She's like, ah, he's been talking about this all day.

[00:53:05] And I'm just trying to wrangle these three kids.

[00:53:07] And, you know, yeah.

[00:53:08] Yeah, I get it.

[00:53:09] I have two young kids.

[00:53:11] And sometimes we're trying to go to bed.

[00:53:14] And I hear about dragons.

[00:53:16] And then I'm like, okay, well, there's no dragon here.

[00:53:20] It's okay.

[00:53:20] They won't hurt you.

[00:53:22] All right.

[00:53:23] So I think we can, in this category, we can declare the original parents the unanimous winners overall.

[00:53:32] Yeah, I agree with that.

[00:53:33] Yep.

[00:53:33] 100%.

[00:53:34] All right.

[00:53:35] Let's move on to the less important children.

[00:53:38] So in 1982, the teenager is played by, is Dana Freeling, played by Dominique Dunn.

[00:53:44] And the boy is Robert Robbie Freeling, played by Oliver Robbins.

[00:53:49] And in 2015, it's Kendra Bowen, played by Saxon Charbino.

[00:53:54] And Griffin, Griff Bowen, played by Kyle Catlett.

[00:53:58] So, John, what's your pick between these two?

[00:54:03] I'm going to give it to Dana because of real life circumstances.

[00:54:06] Are you both aware of what happened to this actor?

[00:54:09] Yes, but please don't listen.

[00:54:11] Okay.

[00:54:11] So this actress was murdered by her boyfriend the year that this movie came out.

[00:54:17] So she's not in the sequels, I guess.

[00:54:19] They were going to have her go to college in the sequels.

[00:54:22] And she was unfortunately untimely killed.

[00:54:27] And that's, I guess everybody's untimely killed.

[00:54:30] But yeah, it's very sad.

[00:54:33] Her career was just heating up.

[00:54:35] She was about to start a role in V, you know, the original version of V.

[00:54:41] And she was running lines with one of her castmates.

[00:54:46] And her ex-boyfriend came over.

[00:54:47] And yeah, she was like, okay, I'll go talk to him outside and told the other guy to stay inside.

[00:54:53] And then at some point, she never came back.

[00:54:55] And he found her in the bushes strangled.

[00:54:57] Oh, that's so sad.

[00:54:59] Yeah.

[00:55:01] Yeah.

[00:55:02] Okay.

[00:55:02] But I still actually think that the characterization in the new one is better.

[00:55:06] Okay.

[00:55:08] Because I think Kendra had more of a relationship with her siblings.

[00:55:12] So yeah, I give it to her for that.

[00:55:14] I think she was more present in the film.

[00:55:18] But what do you think, David?

[00:55:20] I didn't, again, with the whole family dynamic, I didn't enjoy their family dynamic.

[00:55:28] But Kendra Bowen, Saxton Charbino, sorry, it was it?

[00:55:33] Yeah, Charbino, that's right.

[00:55:35] She played a very accurate, I think, timely portrayal.

[00:55:40] And so I think I give it to her.

[00:55:44] Dana in Dana Freeling was just not really around.

[00:55:48] And she just kind of screams and shows up here and there.

[00:55:51] So yeah.

[00:55:52] Yeah.

[00:55:53] And the boys?

[00:55:54] The boys, hmm.

[00:55:59] I don't know.

[00:56:00] Robbie is so, he's such the emotional, he plays such an emotional center to the family dynamic with his terror.

[00:56:10] Where Griff is a little bit more, has a little bit more agency.

[00:56:14] And he takes it upon himself to go into the other, you know, go to the other side.

[00:56:17] Where Robbie is just running around like a scared brat.

[00:56:20] So I think it's a mixed thing.

[00:56:21] I think Kendra for the 2015 movie and Robbie for the 1982 movie.

[00:56:30] So split decision on my part.

[00:56:32] Okay.

[00:56:32] So it's two to one.

[00:56:34] Kendra Brown wins on the girls' side.

[00:56:35] And John, you are the tiebreaker for the boy.

[00:56:38] I'll go with the newer boy.

[00:56:41] I think David's right.

[00:56:42] I think, well, you went with him, right?

[00:56:45] No, no.

[00:56:46] I went with the newer boy.

[00:56:47] I'm sorry.

[00:56:48] I got confused.

[00:56:48] I'm going with Alicia because I think going into Save His Sister was, he's the better dude.

[00:56:56] He's the better dude.

[00:56:58] Yeah.

[00:56:58] I felt like he was more realistic and maybe a better actor.

[00:57:02] He was a better actor.

[00:57:03] That's for sure.

[00:57:04] Yes.

[00:57:04] Yes.

[00:57:04] I agree with that.

[00:57:05] I agree with that.

[00:57:07] But okay.

[00:57:08] So that means Griff is officially best boy.

[00:57:12] And that brings us.

[00:57:14] So 2015 wins on that, right?

[00:57:16] I guess.

[00:57:16] Mm-hmm.

[00:57:17] Okay.

[00:57:17] So yeah.

[00:57:18] If anyone's keeping track, we've got one for 82, one for 15.

[00:57:22] Now, the baby girl, the favorite of the family.

[00:57:27] We've got Carol Ann Freeling in 82, played by Heather O'Rourke.

[00:57:30] And Madison Maddie Bowen, played by Kennedy Claremont in 2015.

[00:57:36] David, what's your pick?

[00:57:38] Oh, without a doubt, Carol Ann Freeling, Heather O'Rourke.

[00:57:43] She has the, so the whole premise of the movies is that these spirits, these ghosts, these poltergeists need guidance to get to the other side.

[00:57:55] And so there's this whole setup of the angelic, you know, that the child is this angelic being.

[00:58:02] Heather O'Rourke fits that so much better, just from a stereotypical standpoint, with her hair and her look and her soft voice and her sort of innocence.

[00:58:13] That was one of the things that I thought was interesting, that they pulled out of the third movie and put into the 2015 movie, which was the whole quote about innocence.

[00:58:24] And there's a great conversation in the hallway about why this is going on, and it's about innocence being a gift and, you know, all this stuff.

[00:58:37] And so I just thought that Heather O'Rourke embodies that so much better.

[00:58:43] Kennedy Claremont did a fine job acting.

[00:58:45] I didn't have any problem with her portrayal or performance, but she just didn't capture.

[00:58:50] And maybe I'm leaning on nostalgia because, you know, it is such an iconic role for Heather O'Rourke.

[00:58:55] So, yeah.

[00:58:57] Yeah.

[00:58:57] Yeah.

[00:58:58] Yeah.

[00:58:58] I think, I think they, they did not overuse Heather O'Rourke, which was good, right?

[00:59:05] Like she was, she was.

[00:59:07] Until second, until the second and third movies.

[00:59:09] They did overuse her in the third one.

[00:59:12] I will say that.

[00:59:14] But, you know, tragedy aside, because that's, this is another, I saw your comment.

[00:59:19] I saw your comment earlier that you didn't read out.

[00:59:22] Do you want to say it?

[00:59:23] Wait, what was it?

[00:59:24] About the cursed franchises.

[00:59:26] Oh, that this is, yeah.

[00:59:28] That this is worse than Exorcist as far as cursed franchises.

[00:59:32] We alluded to that earlier, but yeah, she's, she was another one who, she died before the third one was released.

[00:59:39] Yeah.

[00:59:39] Right.

[00:59:39] They'd, they'd finished and then they had to shoot some alternate endings and stuff like that.

[00:59:43] But she died complications to a bowel obstruction, which in later subsequent years, people have said like, wait a minute, this is some really weird stuff.

[00:59:51] Like this should not have happened.

[00:59:53] So.

[00:59:53] Right.

[00:59:53] Yeah.

[00:59:54] Yeah.

[00:59:54] It's, it's, it's odd.

[00:59:56] But anyway.

[00:59:57] We'll talk about that.

[00:59:57] Yeah.

[00:59:58] Let's talk about that when we do the sequels.

[01:00:01] But yeah, I just think that they did a really good job like using her sparingly.

[01:00:05] Like she was just, you know, she was just pointing at certain things.

[01:00:09] She did the creepy kid thing, right?

[01:00:10] Where she's not saying much.

[01:00:11] She's just like pointing at stuff.

[01:00:12] They're here.

[01:00:13] Yeah.

[01:00:14] Here we go.

[01:00:15] They're here.

[01:00:17] And that's all you need from her.

[01:00:19] Right.

[01:00:19] I feel like.

[01:00:19] She's on sing song.

[01:00:20] Yeah.

[01:00:20] Yeah.

[01:00:20] I feel like they had, they tried to make Maddie much more like much more of a character.

[01:00:26] And I don't think she needed to be, you know, she, she was the creepy kid.

[01:00:32] Yeah.

[01:00:33] I was more.

[01:00:34] Sorry.

[01:00:35] I was just going to say the floor sliding was fun too.

[01:00:37] Like that was all.

[01:00:38] Yeah.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:39] And the helmet on her and stuff.

[01:00:40] That was like super cute.

[01:00:41] Yeah.

[01:00:41] She must've actually had fun with that.

[01:00:43] Also, I just want to say one more thing before we move on to your thoughts, Alicia, is that

[01:00:49] she has a name, Carol space.

[01:00:52] And, and I'm just going to say there is no family in the world that would not drop the

[01:00:59] end at some point out of like time saving.

[01:01:04] Well, I mean, I don't know.

[01:01:06] My, uh, my grandmother's name was, was Billy Ann and they definitely like, I, it's a Southern

[01:01:11] thing, I guess.

[01:01:12] I don't believe you.

[01:01:14] Okay.

[01:01:16] I, I want everyone to add me about this anyway.

[01:01:19] Uh, what are your thoughts, Alicia?

[01:01:22] Um, I mean, I think that, yeah, it's hard to, it's, it's kind of like asking this question

[01:01:28] feels like throwing the second one under the bus.

[01:01:31] Um, but it is also, there was, it worked more in the first one because she seemed more

[01:01:38] innocent more of the time.

[01:01:40] Whereas in 2000 and also I didn't mention that one of my favorite things from the first

[01:01:45] one is the opening shot where they have this tracking shot of the dog.

[01:01:48] It was like long.

[01:01:49] Yes.

[01:01:49] It goes through the rooms and everything.

[01:01:52] Yeah.

[01:01:52] Yeah.

[01:01:52] And she's just sitting in front of the TV, talking to the TV and you're like, I don't

[01:01:55] know, is this ominous?

[01:01:56] Is this just like a kid being a kid, you know?

[01:01:59] Um, and yeah, that was just so much better done.

[01:02:03] And then with Maddie, they had like, she's suddenly, you know, it just goes from zero to

[01:02:09] 11 really fast with her.

[01:02:11] And then she's telling this like scary TV situation, like, no, of course I'm not scared.

[01:02:16] Come on in.

[01:02:16] Basically.

[01:02:17] Um, as an excuse, I guess, to say they're coming before they're here.

[01:02:21] And then, and then suddenly, you know, it's terrifying on the other side.

[01:02:25] So it just feels like they built that more naturally with Carol Ann and with Maddie.

[01:02:32] I don't know.

[01:02:32] It's, it's not the actress's fault in this case, for sure.

[01:02:35] It's just.

[01:02:36] Yeah.

[01:02:37] Carol Ann was better written.

[01:02:38] I agree with that.

[01:02:39] Yeah.

[01:02:40] Yeah.

[01:02:41] Carol Ann felt more like a kid.

[01:02:43] And, and I think Maddie, they tried to age up her personality without aging up the

[01:02:48] character.

[01:02:49] She was a bit more precocious, not precocious isn't the right word, but she was too well

[01:02:53] sassy.

[01:02:54] Yeah.

[01:02:55] Yeah.

[01:02:56] Yeah.

[01:02:56] Yeah.

[01:02:57] And the whole point is innocence and radiance.

[01:03:00] And why do the, why do all of these, uh, spirits, you know, who are, who are restless,

[01:03:08] why are they chasing or demanding after her?

[01:03:12] And that wasn't ever established with, uh, with, uh, Maddie for me.

[01:03:17] Right.

[01:03:18] Right.

[01:03:19] Yeah.

[01:03:20] Yeah.

[01:03:21] It's unanimous for Carol Ann and surprising.

[01:03:23] No one.

[01:03:24] 1982 pulls ahead.

[01:03:26] Um, next category, overall family dynamics.

[01:03:31] John, did you have any feelings about like how the parents and the children and everyone

[01:03:35] related to each other?

[01:03:37] Uh, whether it was better in one film or another, more natural.

[01:03:39] They felt more cohesive in the first one in the, in the original.

[01:03:45] I thought, um, the, the 2015, you could tell dad's trying to bribe the affection of his

[01:03:50] kids.

[01:03:51] Like I got you a drone and this and that.

[01:03:52] And I'm like, I don't know.

[01:03:53] It, it felt much more like a family trying to stay together.

[01:03:59] Whereas the first one just felt effortlessly together.

[01:04:03] And so I thought the family dynamic was better in the first one.

[01:04:07] Yeah.

[01:04:07] What do you, what do you think, David?

[01:04:09] The first one, the family dynamic dynamic is hilarious.

[01:04:12] I was just actually, uh, background watching the clip of, um, Craig T. Nelson walking into

[01:04:21] the kitchen and, you know, with Joe Best Williams, you know, ushering him in the, there's

[01:04:26] all these little humorous moments where like she takes off his glasses, you know, or the,

[01:04:30] obviously the famous TV, you know, kicking the TV out.

[01:04:34] They just had a, um, and, you know, she does a little cheerleader jump when the chair moves

[01:04:39] in like, there's just all these little endearing things that make them more of an interesting

[01:04:45] couple when they're at the neighbor's door and they're like laughing hysterically, giggling

[01:04:50] like they're like highest guides.

[01:04:52] All of that stuff just made me want to hang out with that family way more than, than hanging

[01:04:58] out with the Bowens.

[01:04:59] So yeah, the 82 wins hands down for me.

[01:05:03] I mean, of course, 82 is going to win for me again, but I do have to point out that I

[01:05:07] do think that there were some areas where 2015 was slightly stronger.

[01:05:11] Like there was a bit less, even though the dad was, he was icky in different ways, but,

[01:05:16] um, yeah, there, there were some improvements for me there.

[01:05:20] And also, like I said, the teenage daughter and the son felt more natural.

[01:05:25] Um, but yeah, we, we already gave them their point for that.

[01:05:28] So this is a 1982 winner again.

[01:05:31] Ding, ding, ding.

[01:05:31] Ding, ding.

[01:05:32] Moving on to the psychics.

[01:05:36] Ding, ding, ding, ding.

[01:05:37] Can we just skip this second?

[01:05:38] We all know the answer.

[01:05:39] Right.

[01:05:40] It's very straightforward.

[01:05:42] Okay.

[01:05:42] Okay.

[01:05:43] But we got it.

[01:05:44] This is like the heart of the movie in a way.

[01:05:47] So we start with the starter pack and in the original movie, that was Dr. Lesh, B.H.

[01:05:51] Straight, played by B.H.

[01:05:52] Straight.

[01:05:52] Dr. Ryan Mitchell, played by Richard Lawson and Dr. Marty Casey, played by Martin Cassella.

[01:05:59] Versus in the new one, Dr. Brooke Powell, played by Jane Addams.

[01:06:02] Sophie, played by Susan Hayward,

[01:06:04] and Boyd, played by Nicholas Brom,

[01:06:06] a.k.a. Greg.

[01:06:08] So go ahead, John.

[01:06:09] Why is this answer obvious?

[01:06:11] Because Jared Harris' character sucked.

[01:06:14] He's not in this category.

[01:06:16] Wait, oh, he doesn't count as a psychic?

[01:06:18] No, that's the next one.

[01:06:19] This is the starter pack first.

[01:06:21] This is just the other thing.

[01:06:23] Oh, just go with it, John.

[01:06:24] Just go with it.

[01:06:25] Okay.

[01:06:26] Okay.

[01:06:28] Jared Harris' character still did suck.

[01:06:32] I barely remembered the second ones, right?

[01:06:36] Like, I liked seeing Greg.

[01:06:37] I liked seeing my Greggs get broken for a tomlet,

[01:06:41] but I'm never letting go of that line

[01:06:43] that made me laugh harder than it should have.

[01:06:48] But I don't think David even heard it

[01:06:49] because David started a succession in season four.

[01:06:52] Was that not in the last?

[01:06:54] Oh, yeah, I don't even remember.

[01:06:55] I don't think it was in the last season.

[01:06:56] It was a whole thing where Tom had to testify before Congress,

[01:06:58] and they were like, every two minutes,

[01:07:01] you sent an email to Mr. Hirsch saying,

[01:07:03] you have to brick some Greggs to make a tomlet.

[01:07:09] Anyway.

[01:07:11] Wasn't he also in Veep?

[01:07:13] Greg?

[01:07:14] Yeah.

[01:07:15] I don't think so.

[01:07:16] Was he?

[01:07:16] I actually haven't watched Veep.

[01:07:18] Who's the other?

[01:07:19] Oh, I'm going to have to move on.

[01:07:19] You should watch Veep.

[01:07:20] It's very good.

[01:07:21] Sorry.

[01:07:21] Yeah, I hear that.

[01:07:23] Yeah.

[01:07:24] Okay.

[01:07:24] I mean, yeah.

[01:07:25] I think the second ones are more recognizable characters.

[01:07:28] Really?

[01:07:29] Oh, no.

[01:07:29] It's Timothy Simmons.

[01:07:30] Sorry, not characters.

[01:07:32] I mean, the cast is more recognizable

[01:07:35] because we have Greg from Succession

[01:07:37] and we have Sage from The Boys,

[01:07:39] but I wouldn't have recognized them

[01:07:41] when I first watched this in 2015.

[01:07:43] So it's kind of now.

[01:07:45] I'm like, oh, look at that.

[01:07:46] But I think that the first one,

[01:07:48] I mean, the other two psychics are throwaways,

[01:07:51] but Dr. Lesh, the leader of the psychics in the first one,

[01:07:55] wins for me, just especially for,

[01:07:58] they establish more bonding between her

[01:08:02] and the mother, especially, you know?

[01:08:05] I really like that scene that happens

[01:08:08] when they're just waiting quietly at night

[01:08:10] to see if they can hear from Carol Ann

[01:08:12] and just whispering in the dark.

[01:08:14] It just felt really, I don't know,

[01:08:16] that calm in the storm.

[01:08:18] You need these moments.

[01:08:19] I think that's one of the reasons

[01:08:21] why that movie feels better paced

[01:08:23] and just has more heart and substance to it.

[01:08:27] Yeah.

[01:08:28] So I'm going to give it to that one.

[01:08:31] Yeah.

[01:08:31] So I just want to say,

[01:08:32] are we talking about the helpers separately

[01:08:35] or are the helpers included?

[01:08:37] No, as a pack.

[01:08:37] The helpers included in this, as a pack, yeah.

[01:08:39] So the head doctor and the two helpers,

[01:08:41] but not yet talking about the ringer.

[01:08:43] Right, okay.

[01:08:44] So the helpers isn't like they're interns, basically.

[01:08:47] Yeah.

[01:08:48] The first one, I liked them better.

[01:08:51] I mean, you know, Greg was fun to watch

[01:08:53] in the drill scene in the second one.

[01:08:54] I thought he acted the heck out of that.

[01:08:57] But that scene where the guy is trying to eat this,

[01:09:00] he's trying to cook up a full steak

[01:09:02] at like two in the morning is hilarious.

[01:09:04] Oh, right, yeah.

[01:09:05] That, and then it rots,

[01:09:07] and he runs to the bathroom,

[01:09:08] and he has to peel his face off.

[01:09:10] And it's like so clearly a dummy head.

[01:09:11] I don't know.

[01:09:12] There was something so camp about that

[01:09:13] that I loved it.

[01:09:15] Which is so Raiders of the Lost Ark, too,

[01:09:17] in terms of the special effects,

[01:09:18] and that was that genre,

[01:09:20] and with Amblin and Spielberg.

[01:09:22] So, yeah.

[01:09:23] There was a lot of great callback stuff.

[01:09:26] Yeah.

[01:09:26] That was fun.

[01:09:28] Yeah.

[01:09:29] What about you, David?

[01:09:30] What are your thoughts between the two?

[01:09:31] Oh, I think 82 wins this.

[01:09:33] Dr. Lesh is just more enjoyable

[01:09:36] and more believable.

[01:09:37] Dr. Powell,

[01:09:39] that they made her and Jared Harris

[01:09:41] ex-husband and wife,

[01:09:43] and then brought them back in

[01:09:44] as the comedy modem at the end,

[01:09:45] I just thought was,

[01:09:47] wah, wah,

[01:09:47] was not funny at all.

[01:09:49] Don't go in.

[01:09:51] Yeah.

[01:09:51] Yeah.

[01:09:52] And that both the assistants,

[01:09:57] who are both full doctors,

[01:09:58] according to your notes here,

[01:10:00] where the other one,

[01:10:00] they're not.

[01:10:01] Right, exactly.

[01:10:02] They're lackeys.

[01:10:03] They both had their own moments

[01:10:05] and their own,

[01:10:07] without ever taking the spotlight

[01:10:10] off the story,

[01:10:11] we got, like you said, John,

[01:10:12] you know,

[01:10:12] with the steak thing,

[01:10:14] and they each had a development

[01:10:17] and added to the story,

[01:10:20] where I thought with Boyd,

[01:10:21] he was just a jerk,

[01:10:23] and I did not enjoy seeing him on screen,

[01:10:27] or the character on screen.

[01:10:29] I just didn't like the way

[01:10:29] that the character was interacting

[01:10:31] with all of the other people,

[01:10:32] and Sophie,

[01:10:34] what does she do?

[01:10:35] She doesn't do anything,

[01:10:35] except for she says,

[01:10:37] Boyd,

[01:10:37] did you put the thing on the wall?

[01:10:39] Mm-hmm.

[01:10:39] Yeah.

[01:10:39] Other than that,

[01:10:40] she's complete waste

[01:10:41] of a great actor.

[01:10:43] Mm-hmm.

[01:10:44] Whereas at least in the first movie,

[01:10:47] Lawson and Casella both got to do stuff

[01:10:50] that added to the story

[01:10:52] and gave us a depth of the terror

[01:10:57] that one might feel

[01:10:58] in dealing with this situation.

[01:11:00] And I don't remember which one is which,

[01:11:02] but the one that stayed

[01:11:05] and helped with the rope,

[01:11:07] but his wonder at it...

[01:11:07] Right, that's Richard Lawson.

[01:11:08] Okay, so his wonder at it

[01:11:10] did sell it for me.

[01:11:12] That was great.

[01:11:14] He's like,

[01:11:14] No way.

[01:11:15] Come on.

[01:11:15] Yeah.

[01:11:16] Mm-hmm.

[01:11:16] Yeah.

[01:11:17] Well, I clocked it in the second one

[01:11:19] because, of course,

[01:11:19] at some point,

[01:11:21] Dr. Lesh says,

[01:11:22] like,

[01:11:23] oh, Marty didn't come back

[01:11:24] after the whole face incident.

[01:11:26] You're right.

[01:11:27] I don't blame him.

[01:11:27] Good reason.

[01:11:29] Yeah.

[01:11:30] Good reason.

[01:11:30] So then I was immediately clocking

[01:11:32] in the second movie,

[01:11:34] you know,

[01:11:34] that's in the remake.

[01:11:35] I was like,

[01:11:36] oh, Boyd's going to be the one

[01:11:37] who doesn't come back

[01:11:38] because they're already making him an asshole,

[01:11:39] so you kind of don't want him to come back.

[01:11:41] And then, of course,

[01:11:41] he gets that drill moment.

[01:11:42] But then he...

[01:11:43] He sticks around.

[01:11:44] ...drop out, did he?

[01:11:45] Yeah.

[01:11:45] No, he didn't.

[01:11:45] He sticks around.

[01:11:46] Yeah.

[01:11:47] It was just kind of like

[01:11:48] a morbid jerk.

[01:11:48] It was in his contract.

[01:11:51] All right.

[01:11:52] So another notch in 82's belt.

[01:11:57] And then...

[01:11:57] So go ahead, John.

[01:11:59] Why is Tangina Barron's

[01:12:01] played by Zelda Rubenstein

[01:12:02] so much better than Kerrigan Burke

[01:12:04] played by Jared Harris?

[01:12:06] There was a John Mulaney bit

[01:12:07] where he said,

[01:12:08] like,

[01:12:08] people who are, like,

[01:12:10] crazy like that

[01:12:11] just have unlimited amounts

[01:12:12] of crazy to tell you.

[01:12:14] And I feel like

[01:12:15] that's this woman.

[01:12:16] Like,

[01:12:17] I just want her...

[01:12:18] I want to be able to call her

[01:12:19] anytime I have an issue.

[01:12:20] And she'll be like,

[01:12:21] well,

[01:12:22] if you put the flux capacitor into it,

[01:12:24] you can solve this problem

[01:12:26] with whatever.

[01:12:28] I don't know.

[01:12:28] Like,

[01:12:29] I don't have that level of crazy.

[01:12:30] I just need her

[01:12:31] to be my life coach.

[01:12:33] Amazing.

[01:12:34] Amazing.

[01:12:35] And that soft voice

[01:12:37] where she just...

[01:12:38] She has the softest voice,

[01:12:39] but she says the meanest stuff.

[01:12:41] It's so funny to me.

[01:12:43] She's, like,

[01:12:43] constantly insulting everybody

[01:12:44] in the softest tone.

[01:12:46] Amazing.

[01:12:47] Just amazing.

[01:12:48] It felt very authentic

[01:12:49] to the actor.

[01:12:50] It felt very, like,

[01:12:52] she was being herself.

[01:12:54] Whereas Jared Harris,

[01:12:56] what the hell was that?

[01:12:57] I mean,

[01:12:58] he's a ghost hunter.

[01:13:00] He didn't seem unhinged enough

[01:13:01] to be a ghost hunter.

[01:13:02] He didn't seem confident enough

[01:13:04] to be a professor.

[01:13:07] There was no...

[01:13:08] It was just a very confused character.

[01:13:09] I don't think they knew

[01:13:10] what they wanted to do with it,

[01:13:11] and it showed.

[01:13:13] So,

[01:13:13] yeah.

[01:13:13] No,

[01:13:14] I'm sorry.

[01:13:14] But this one's going to Tangina.

[01:13:17] And to add on,

[01:13:19] Tangina is clearly set up

[01:13:21] as a psychic,

[01:13:21] a medium,

[01:13:22] somebody who's in touch

[01:13:23] with the other side.

[01:13:24] Right.

[01:13:24] With Jared Harris,

[01:13:25] he's a YouTube video star

[01:13:28] doing exorcisms,

[01:13:29] and they don't establish

[01:13:31] his ability to be psychic

[01:13:33] or to see the other side.

[01:13:34] I think I didn't think

[01:13:36] about that as much

[01:13:37] because I just watched

[01:13:38] the second Beetlejuice,

[01:13:39] and that was a whole story part.

[01:13:42] I think it's been out long enough

[01:13:43] where I could just say

[01:13:44] the setup in the beginning

[01:13:44] is that Winona Ryder's character

[01:13:47] has been a TV psychic

[01:13:49] for some years now.

[01:13:51] But she was real.

[01:13:53] So,

[01:13:53] I think in my head,

[01:13:54] I was like,

[01:13:54] oh,

[01:13:54] well,

[01:13:55] TV psychics can be real.

[01:13:57] Yeah.

[01:13:59] Yeah,

[01:13:59] I mean,

[01:14:00] but he was...

[01:14:01] Yeah,

[01:14:02] I agree that his character

[01:14:03] was rather confused.

[01:14:05] And then it was also like...

[01:14:06] It feels like...

[01:14:07] And it was also

[01:14:07] the factor of watching this fourth

[01:14:09] where you notice

[01:14:10] every time they bring in

[01:14:12] the ringer psychic

[01:14:13] that has to be

[01:14:16] exotic in some way,

[01:14:17] I guess.

[01:14:18] Mm-hmm.

[01:14:18] Yeah.

[01:14:19] So they're like,

[01:14:20] let's make this one Irish.

[01:14:22] Bizarre.

[01:14:24] Yeah,

[01:14:24] why Irish?

[01:14:25] Because they don't...

[01:14:26] It's not like they bring in

[01:14:27] Irish folklore

[01:14:28] or anything like that

[01:14:29] or any aspect

[01:14:30] that matters.

[01:14:31] They don't even talk about

[01:14:32] his Irish past.

[01:14:33] Like,

[01:14:33] there was no reason

[01:14:34] for this guy to be Irish.

[01:14:36] Right.

[01:14:36] Yeah.

[01:14:38] But then,

[01:14:38] I've seen people complain

[01:14:39] about the original

[01:14:40] that they're,

[01:14:41] quote-unquote,

[01:14:42] exoticizing Zelda Rubinstein

[01:14:43] because she's four foot three

[01:14:46] for anyone who's wondering,

[01:14:47] which,

[01:14:48] yeah,

[01:14:48] for me,

[01:14:49] it's remarkable

[01:14:49] somebody being

[01:14:50] a full foot shorter than me.

[01:14:51] But,

[01:14:52] and it does...

[01:14:53] It's probably why

[01:14:54] she was typecast

[01:14:55] in a lot of these things.

[01:14:56] I honestly think

[01:14:57] if you want to see

[01:14:58] her best acting

[01:14:59] and comedic timing,

[01:15:00] do watch Teen Witch

[01:15:02] from 1989.

[01:15:03] She gets a lot more room

[01:15:05] and a lot more playfulness,

[01:15:06] things like that.

[01:15:07] But,

[01:15:07] yeah,

[01:15:07] I agree.

[01:15:08] I agree with John.

[01:15:09] It's all about the voice

[01:15:10] with her.

[01:15:12] It's all about just,

[01:15:13] like,

[01:15:13] the presence

[01:15:14] that she brings

[01:15:15] despite her short stature,

[01:15:16] you know,

[01:15:17] that she's just...

[01:15:19] She...

[01:15:19] When she's on screen,

[01:15:20] you're not looking

[01:15:21] at anybody else.

[01:15:22] She would have been

[01:15:22] a great podcaster.

[01:15:24] Yeah.

[01:15:26] Also,

[01:15:27] the way that the camera,

[01:15:28] the way they work

[01:15:29] with her on set,

[01:15:30] you never feel...

[01:15:31] You know that she's

[01:15:33] shorter in stature,

[01:15:34] but it never feels...

[01:15:36] They always make her feel

[01:15:37] bigger on screen

[01:15:39] than she physically is

[01:15:41] relative to the other characters.

[01:15:43] And I think that

[01:15:43] also is nice

[01:15:46] that they...

[01:15:47] They really use the camera

[01:15:50] and the whole design

[01:15:52] of her

[01:15:53] that she

[01:15:54] may be physically

[01:15:55] short in stature,

[01:15:56] but her personality

[01:15:57] and her power

[01:15:58] are way outsized.

[01:16:00] And

[01:16:00] the way that they

[01:16:02] do that

[01:16:03] with the writing

[01:16:04] and the

[01:16:05] camera work

[01:16:06] I think is

[01:16:07] so much better.

[01:16:08] It just adds

[01:16:09] so much to her character.

[01:16:10] Yeah.

[01:16:11] So,

[01:16:12] no surprise,

[01:16:13] Tangina wins,

[01:16:14] but I do have to say

[01:16:15] I think all three of us

[01:16:16] love Jared Harris

[01:16:16] in general.

[01:16:17] Yeah.

[01:16:18] Oh, yeah.

[01:16:19] I love Jared Harris.

[01:16:20] Absolute waste

[01:16:21] of hiring him

[01:16:22] in this.

[01:16:23] Completely.

[01:16:23] Right.

[01:16:24] I think that's

[01:16:25] a big thing

[01:16:25] with people complain

[01:16:26] about the second one.

[01:16:27] And again,

[01:16:28] the second one

[01:16:28] is not as bad

[01:16:29] as it might sound,

[01:16:31] but it's only

[01:16:32] when you compare it

[01:16:33] that it really

[01:16:34] falls down,

[01:16:34] but it is

[01:16:35] does feel like

[01:16:36] they wasted

[01:16:37] some good cast members.

[01:16:38] Yeah,

[01:16:38] I guess the problem

[01:16:39] is though

[01:16:39] it doesn't exist

[01:16:40] in a vacuum,

[01:16:40] right?

[01:16:40] Like you can still

[01:16:41] watch the 82 movie

[01:16:42] and then if you

[01:16:43] watch the 82 movie

[01:16:44] there's no reason

[01:16:45] to watch the 2015 movie.

[01:16:46] It doesn't add

[01:16:47] anything to the lore.

[01:16:48] Right.

[01:16:49] No,

[01:16:49] I don't think

[01:16:50] yeah,

[01:16:50] and the reboot

[01:16:51] factor doesn't help it.

[01:16:53] Yeah.

[01:16:53] No.

[01:16:54] All right.

[01:16:55] So other people

[01:16:56] there's a frenemies

[01:16:57] there was some discussion

[01:16:58] in the feedback

[01:16:59] we have to cover

[01:16:59] there's in the original

[01:17:01] we have both

[01:17:02] the remote hogging neighbors

[01:17:04] the truthos

[01:17:05] who they

[01:17:06] who apparently

[01:17:06] don't get bit

[01:17:07] by mosquitoes either

[01:17:08] and and are

[01:17:10] you know,

[01:17:10] completely oblivious

[01:17:11] to what's going on

[01:17:12] in the house next door

[01:17:13] until the end.

[01:17:14] And we also get

[01:17:14] in the original

[01:17:15] the beer friends

[01:17:16] watching the game

[01:17:17] with dad

[01:17:18] in the beginning

[01:17:18] versus in the second one

[01:17:20] it's really reduced.

[01:17:22] We really only get

[01:17:22] that one dinner party

[01:17:25] where they're visiting

[01:17:26] their friends

[01:17:26] the Stollers

[01:17:27] and everyone's

[01:17:28] kind of snobby.

[01:17:30] Um,

[01:17:31] both of them

[01:17:31] for me

[01:17:32] are comedy relief

[01:17:34] both go nowhere

[01:17:35] uh,

[01:17:36] but I did laugh

[01:17:37] at the snobby people

[01:17:39] um,

[01:17:40] so I don't know

[01:17:42] I

[01:17:43] I don't even know

[01:17:44] how they knew

[01:17:44] those people

[01:17:45] the dinner party

[01:17:46] um,

[01:17:47] and it's odd

[01:17:48] that 2015

[01:17:49] the

[01:17:50] neighbors must

[01:17:51] sleep very well

[01:17:52] because the neighborhood

[01:17:52] looks completely empty

[01:17:54] until the very end

[01:17:54] of the film.

[01:17:55] So for me

[01:17:55] I'm going with

[01:17:56] the remote hogging

[01:17:57] neighbors

[01:17:58] and beer friends

[01:17:59] uh,

[01:17:59] what about you

[01:18:00] David?

[01:18:01] Oh,

[01:18:01] absolutely

[01:18:01] the uh,

[01:18:03] the remote

[01:18:04] which is a great

[01:18:05] uh,

[01:18:06] um,

[01:18:08] artifact

[01:18:08] that uh,

[01:18:09] that kind of remote

[01:18:10] uses sound

[01:18:11] Yeah.

[01:18:12] to uh,

[01:18:13] change the channel

[01:18:13] the clicker

[01:18:14] uh,

[01:18:15] yeah,

[01:18:15] there's lots of stuff

[01:18:16] on the internet

[01:18:16] about that

[01:18:17] so love that

[01:18:18] and watching

[01:18:19] you know

[01:18:20] the football

[01:18:20] with the beer

[01:18:21] and the whole

[01:18:22] beginning shot

[01:18:22] with the guy

[01:18:23] riding the bike

[01:18:23] and you know

[01:18:24] all of that

[01:18:25] was a lot more

[01:18:26] fun and enjoyable

[01:18:27] and it made sense

[01:18:29] for the story

[01:18:29] we see a living

[01:18:30] breathing

[01:18:32] neighborhood

[01:18:32] we see neighbors

[01:18:34] and the antagonism

[01:18:35] with neighbors

[01:18:36] living so closely

[01:18:37] where the dinner

[01:18:38] party

[01:18:38] it just absolutely

[01:18:40] had no

[01:18:40] um,

[01:18:42] it had no

[01:18:43] effect

[01:18:43] on the story

[01:18:44] it was just

[01:18:45] dropped in

[01:18:46] for them

[01:18:46] to do some

[01:18:47] to get the parents

[01:18:47] out of the house

[01:18:48] Right.

[01:18:49] And it didn't

[01:18:50] help

[01:18:50] Yeah,

[01:18:50] like you said

[01:18:51] about the history

[01:18:52] of the 17th

[01:18:53] Yeah.

[01:18:53] Yeah,

[01:18:54] it was uh

[01:18:54] and you had the dad

[01:18:55] doing the desperate

[01:18:56] like so when do I start

[01:18:57] Monday?

[01:18:58] Oh god,

[01:18:59] so cringe

[01:19:00] Yeah.

[01:19:01] So absolutely

[01:19:02] the neighbors

[01:19:02] and beer friends

[01:19:04] Yeah.

[01:19:05] And John,

[01:19:05] same?

[01:19:06] Yeah,

[01:19:06] I'm going

[01:19:07] I'm going

[01:19:07] with the beer friends

[01:19:08] Yeah,

[01:19:09] all right

[01:19:09] then another one

[01:19:11] uh

[01:19:12] notch in the 1982 belt

[01:19:14] and so the last category

[01:19:15] for characters

[01:19:16] is just like other

[01:19:17] characters in general

[01:19:18] so we got more

[01:19:19] other characters

[01:19:20] in the original one

[01:19:21] where we have

[01:19:21] the boss

[01:19:22] is a character

[01:19:22] going on

[01:19:23] we have the

[01:19:23] construction men

[01:19:24] uh,

[01:19:25] you know,

[01:19:25] doing the pool stuff

[01:19:26] and then the second one

[01:19:28] the only other characters

[01:19:29] I can think of

[01:19:29] are like the realtors

[01:19:30] who are barely there

[01:19:31] so for me

[01:19:32] this seems like

[01:19:33] another easy win

[01:19:34] for 82

[01:19:35] Yeah.

[01:19:35] Do you guys

[01:19:36] have any thoughts?

[01:19:37] Yeah,

[01:19:38] I think the

[01:19:39] the boss

[01:19:40] is a great

[01:19:42] uh

[01:19:42] addition

[01:19:43] the fact that

[01:19:44] oh,

[01:19:44] but you're

[01:19:45] you're the best

[01:19:45] salesman

[01:19:46] that we got

[01:19:47] and you know

[01:19:47] we're gonna sell

[01:19:48] phase three

[01:19:48] and you're gonna be

[01:19:49] like our lead guy

[01:19:51] and it turns out

[01:19:52] he's just a

[01:19:53] slimy thing

[01:19:53] and that

[01:19:54] fits into

[01:19:55] a

[01:19:57] feeling

[01:19:57] in an

[01:19:57] undercurrent

[01:19:58] in the 80s

[01:19:59] of um

[01:20:00] of just how

[01:20:01] business was going

[01:20:02] coming out of the 70s

[01:20:03] and the 80s

[01:20:04] and corporations

[01:20:05] and just,

[01:20:06] you know,

[01:20:06] squeezing profits

[01:20:07] and

[01:20:08] so it

[01:20:09] it just really fit

[01:20:10] and the grossness

[01:20:12] of the construction

[01:20:12] men

[01:20:13] the mom

[01:20:13] allowing them

[01:20:14] to catcaller

[01:20:15] Oh my god

[01:20:17] I wanted to like

[01:20:19] slap them through the TV

[01:20:20] like teenager

[01:20:21] she is a teenager

[01:20:23] I know

[01:20:23] and she's just

[01:20:24] kind of like

[01:20:24] he he he he

[01:20:25] and the mom's

[01:20:26] just sort of like

[01:20:26] oh boy

[01:20:27] yeah

[01:20:27] that was ick

[01:20:28] that's my least

[01:20:29] favorite part

[01:20:29] of the first movie

[01:20:30] I found a negative

[01:20:31] but you also

[01:20:32] like the reason

[01:20:33] that the boss

[01:20:34] clearly is like

[01:20:35] the best character

[01:20:36] out of these two movies

[01:20:37] is that

[01:20:38] you get that moment

[01:20:39] where the dad

[01:20:40] shakes him

[01:20:40] and he goes

[01:20:41] you moved the headstones

[01:20:42] but you didn't

[01:20:43] move the bodies

[01:20:45] that's true

[01:20:46] that's true

[01:20:47] you can't handle

[01:20:47] the truth

[01:20:48] like it's a great

[01:20:49] moment for

[01:20:50] the protagonist

[01:20:51] you know

[01:20:51] the protagonist

[01:20:53] to have that

[01:20:54] explosive

[01:20:56] realization

[01:20:57] and really

[01:20:58] cinch it for us

[01:20:59] in the audience

[01:20:59] and we didn't get that

[01:21:01] in the second movie

[01:21:03] you know

[01:21:03] we didn't get

[01:21:05] Rockwell's character

[01:21:05] coming to the realization

[01:21:07] to the truth

[01:21:07] and confronting

[01:21:09] and like

[01:21:10] that's what you want

[01:21:10] you want to be able

[01:21:11] to confront

[01:21:12] the person

[01:21:12] that caused

[01:21:13] that's the root

[01:21:14] of all of this

[01:21:15] and so we get

[01:21:15] that satisfaction

[01:21:16] in the

[01:21:17] in the first movie

[01:21:18] yeah

[01:21:18] yeah

[01:21:19] yeah

[01:21:20] all right

[01:21:20] so moving on

[01:21:21] to story

[01:21:22] and production

[01:21:22] first up

[01:21:23] the anomalies

[01:21:24] and scares

[01:21:25] so okay

[01:21:26] in 82

[01:21:27] we had like

[01:21:28] the whole thing

[01:21:29] you're saying

[01:21:29] like with the gleeful

[01:21:30] experimentation

[01:21:31] with the chairs

[01:21:32] um

[01:21:33] we have

[01:21:34] yeah

[01:21:35] the face

[01:21:36] peeling off

[01:21:37] thing

[01:21:38] um

[01:21:39] in the second one

[01:21:41] there was like

[01:21:41] the static

[01:21:42] and the rolling balls

[01:21:42] it was more muted

[01:21:43] at first

[01:21:44] there was even

[01:21:44] like the fake

[01:21:45] out squirrel

[01:21:45] uh

[01:21:46] I'm trying to

[01:21:47] remember

[01:21:47] which movie

[01:21:48] is the one

[01:21:48] where like

[01:21:49] the kid

[01:21:50] gets caught up

[01:21:50] tied up

[01:21:51] in his braces

[01:21:52] was that one

[01:21:52] of the sequel

[01:21:53] or was that

[01:21:54] one of the

[01:21:54] one of the

[01:21:55] sequels

[01:21:56] or was that

[01:21:56] the remake

[01:21:57] that was

[01:21:58] the sequel

[01:21:59] okay

[01:22:00] yeah

[01:22:00] it has to be

[01:22:01] poltergeist 2

[01:22:02] right

[01:22:02] yeah

[01:22:03] that was so bad

[01:22:05] but okay

[01:22:06] so I won't

[01:22:07] pin that on

[01:22:07] this one

[01:22:08] um

[01:22:09] but uh

[01:22:10] what do you

[01:22:11] what do you guys

[01:22:11] think about

[01:22:12] the overall

[01:22:13] hauntings going on

[01:22:14] before we get

[01:22:15] to the entities

[01:22:15] themselves

[01:22:17] yeah I mean

[01:22:18] the first one

[01:22:19] did it better

[01:22:19] it just did it

[01:22:20] better

[01:22:20] I mean

[01:22:21] they did a really

[01:22:22] good job

[01:22:22] ramping it up

[01:22:23] like they start

[01:22:24] off just like

[01:22:24] talking

[01:22:25] and they

[01:22:25] do the whole

[01:22:27] portal in

[01:22:28] they're here

[01:22:29] I mean

[01:22:30] yeah

[01:22:31] I just felt

[01:22:32] like it was

[01:22:32] better

[01:22:33] it was just

[01:22:34] better

[01:22:34] the way that

[01:22:35] she goes

[01:22:35] throughout the

[01:22:36] house

[01:22:36] and then the

[01:22:37] second one

[01:22:37] they had

[01:22:38] that whole

[01:22:38] thing

[01:22:38] where they

[01:22:38] were like

[01:22:39] we wired

[01:22:39] this whole

[01:22:40] house with

[01:22:40] speakers

[01:22:41] and it

[01:22:41] just

[01:22:41] it was too

[01:22:42] much

[01:22:43] they overdid

[01:22:43] what made

[01:22:44] the first

[01:22:45] one good

[01:22:45] which was

[01:22:46] the scarcity

[01:22:47] of

[01:22:48] carolyn

[01:22:48] right

[01:22:48] was she would

[01:22:49] just show up

[01:22:50] every now

[01:22:50] and then

[01:22:52] well I think

[01:22:53] it's also

[01:22:53] the first

[01:22:54] one

[01:22:54] the scarcity

[01:22:55] of like

[01:22:55] the special

[01:22:56] effects

[01:22:57] was also

[01:22:57] although I

[01:22:58] have to say

[01:22:59] the second

[01:22:59] one it

[01:22:59] started more

[01:23:00] grounded

[01:23:01] like you know

[01:23:02] where you can

[01:23:02] just imagine

[01:23:02] like oh

[01:23:03] there's weird

[01:23:03] static in

[01:23:04] the house

[01:23:04] and one

[01:23:05] time it's

[01:23:06] literally

[01:23:06] just a

[01:23:07] squirrel

[01:23:07] so I

[01:23:09] guess in

[01:23:09] that way

[01:23:10] they were

[01:23:10] trying to

[01:23:10] build it

[01:23:11] better

[01:23:11] but I

[01:23:11] still

[01:23:11] I do

[01:23:11] have to

[01:23:12] give it

[01:23:12] to the

[01:23:12] first

[01:23:13] one

[01:23:13] I think

[01:23:13] also

[01:23:14] just for

[01:23:14] what you

[01:23:14] were saying

[01:23:15] John before

[01:23:15] about the

[01:23:16] gleefulness

[01:23:16] of the

[01:23:17] haunted

[01:23:18] yeah

[01:23:18] that's

[01:23:18] it's such

[01:23:19] a unique

[01:23:19] thing

[01:23:20] I've only

[01:23:21] I can only

[01:23:21] think of

[01:23:22] one other

[01:23:22] movie that's

[01:23:23] done it

[01:23:23] like that

[01:23:23] and it

[01:23:24] was a

[01:23:24] different

[01:23:24] setup

[01:23:25] but that

[01:23:25] was

[01:23:25] The Boy

[01:23:26] which is

[01:23:27] another

[01:23:27] really good

[01:23:27] horror movie

[01:23:28] that I

[01:23:28] think we

[01:23:28] should all

[01:23:28] watch and

[01:23:29] talk about

[01:23:29] next

[01:23:29] year

[01:23:31] okay

[01:23:31] okay

[01:23:33] David

[01:23:33] do you

[01:23:33] have any

[01:23:33] thoughts

[01:23:34] in this

[01:23:34] category

[01:23:34] yeah

[01:23:34] the first

[01:23:35] one

[01:23:42] right

[01:23:43] just

[01:23:45] the

[01:23:46] closet

[01:23:46] and the

[01:23:47] way that

[01:23:48] they set

[01:23:48] the closet

[01:23:49] up as

[01:23:49] well I

[01:23:50] thought was

[01:23:50] really good

[01:23:51] so yeah

[01:23:51] the first

[01:23:52] movie

[01:23:52] hands down

[01:23:53] the tree

[01:23:54] was cooler

[01:23:54] in the second

[01:23:54] one

[01:23:55] sorry

[01:23:55] the weeping

[01:23:56] willow

[01:23:56] the tree

[01:23:56] was cooler

[01:23:57] in the second

[01:23:57] one

[01:23:58] I'll give

[01:23:58] that to

[01:23:59] it

[01:24:00] okay

[01:24:00] I didn't

[01:24:01] like the

[01:24:01] CGI

[01:24:02] in the

[01:24:02] sorry

[01:24:03] Alicia

[01:24:04] I think

[01:24:04] they both

[01:24:05] worked

[01:24:05] with the

[01:24:06] tree

[01:24:12] one

[01:24:12] the only

[01:24:13] thing

[01:24:13] was the

[01:24:14] other

[01:24:15] side

[01:24:15] kind of

[01:24:16] with the

[01:24:16] creepy

[01:24:16] creatures

[01:24:17] but that's

[01:24:18] about it

[01:24:18] I actually

[01:24:20] liked not

[01:24:20] seeing the

[01:24:21] other side

[01:24:22] in the

[01:24:22] first one

[01:24:23] because it

[01:24:23] maintains a

[01:24:24] mystery

[01:24:25] okay

[01:24:26] all right

[01:24:27] so let's

[01:24:28] let's do

[01:24:28] that one

[01:24:29] next then

[01:24:30] the entities

[01:24:30] and corpses

[01:24:31] and the

[01:24:32] other side

[01:24:32] you liked

[01:24:33] the mystery

[01:24:34] better in

[01:24:34] the first

[01:24:35] one

[01:24:35] David

[01:24:35] yeah

[01:24:36] I like

[01:24:37] the

[01:24:38] the simple

[01:24:39] setup you

[01:24:40] know the

[01:24:40] the burial

[01:24:41] ground

[01:24:41] setup

[01:24:42] that there's

[01:24:42] maybe some

[01:24:43] sort of

[01:24:43] controlling

[01:24:44] entity

[01:24:44] you know

[01:24:45] not getting

[01:24:46] into two

[01:24:47] and three

[01:24:47] I just

[01:24:48] like the

[01:24:48] fact that

[01:24:49] there is

[01:24:49] no

[01:24:49] explanation

[01:24:50] other than

[01:24:51] there's a

[01:24:52] whole bunch

[01:24:53] of restless

[01:24:53] angry

[01:24:53] spirits

[01:24:54] and they're

[01:24:55] pissed off

[01:24:55] and they

[01:24:56] need to

[01:24:56] you know

[01:24:57] sort

[01:24:57] themselves

[01:24:58] out in

[01:24:58] some way

[01:24:59] and the

[01:24:59] fact that

[01:25:00] we never

[01:25:00] see the

[01:25:01] other side

[01:25:01] and we

[01:25:02] stay rooted

[01:25:03] firmly in

[01:25:04] our side

[01:25:05] I think

[01:25:05] is

[01:25:07] great

[01:25:07] because it

[01:25:08] it leaves

[01:25:09] it

[01:25:09] it leaves

[01:25:10] the mystery

[01:25:10] intact

[01:25:12] more scary

[01:25:12] than knowing

[01:25:13] what the

[01:25:14] other side

[01:25:14] is

[01:25:14] such as

[01:25:15] why do

[01:25:16] people come

[01:25:16] out of the

[01:25:17] other side

[01:25:17] covered in

[01:25:17] strawberry

[01:25:18] jello

[01:25:20] because it's

[01:25:21] ectoplasm

[01:25:22] they use that

[01:25:23] in the second

[01:25:24] movie right

[01:25:24] they actually

[01:25:25] use the word

[01:25:25] oh do they

[01:25:26] see that

[01:25:26] okay

[01:25:27] I mean

[01:25:27] that's totally

[01:25:28] Ghostbusters

[01:25:28] knowledge

[01:25:29] right but

[01:25:30] Ghostbusters

[01:25:31] didn't come

[01:25:32] out

[01:25:32] I guess

[01:25:34] the first

[01:25:34] one was

[01:25:35] 84

[01:25:36] so two

[01:25:37] years after

[01:25:37] this one

[01:25:38] so yeah

[01:25:39] so 2015

[01:25:39] uses the

[01:25:40] term ectoplasm

[01:25:44] yeah so

[01:25:44] I agree with

[01:25:46] everything you

[01:25:46] said David

[01:25:47] I think

[01:25:47] it's less

[01:25:48] clear that

[01:25:48] there's a

[01:25:48] leader

[01:25:49] it's less

[01:25:49] clear why

[01:25:49] the entities

[01:25:50] are there

[01:25:50] but because

[01:25:53] the second

[01:25:53] one my

[01:25:54] favorite part

[01:25:55] is the fact

[01:25:55] that just how

[01:25:56] creepy they

[01:25:57] made the view

[01:25:57] of the oversight

[01:25:58] say what you

[01:25:58] will about

[01:25:59] the drone

[01:25:59] I think

[01:25:59] there's just

[01:26:00] the images

[01:26:01] of like

[01:26:01] these dark

[01:26:02] entities

[01:26:03] dashing around

[01:26:04] I'm gonna

[01:26:05] throw a

[01:26:06] pity vote

[01:26:07] to 2015

[01:26:08] for this one

[01:26:09] so that

[01:26:10] leaves it on

[01:26:11] you John

[01:26:12] which is the

[01:26:13] better use

[01:26:13] of the entities

[01:26:14] corpses

[01:26:15] and the other

[01:26:15] side

[01:26:17] I'm gonna

[01:26:17] give it to

[01:26:18] the original

[01:26:18] I'm sorry

[01:26:18] I'm sorry

[01:26:19] 2015

[01:26:20] but like

[01:26:20] just the way

[01:26:21] especially

[01:26:22] the way

[01:26:23] that they

[01:26:23] come out

[01:26:23] of the pool

[01:26:24] was so cool

[01:26:24] the pool

[01:26:25] scene really

[01:26:26] did it for me

[01:26:27] yep

[01:26:28] yeah

[01:26:28] whereas the

[01:26:30] garage scene

[01:26:30] in 2015

[01:26:31] doesn't really

[01:26:31] do anything

[01:26:32] yeah

[01:26:33] yeah

[01:26:33] all right

[01:26:35] last category

[01:26:35] of scares

[01:26:36] scariest use

[01:26:37] of clowns

[01:26:37] 1982

[01:26:38] or 2015

[01:26:39] David

[01:26:42] 2015

[01:26:42] I think

[01:26:43] well

[01:26:44] no

[01:26:46] because

[01:26:47] the clown

[01:26:47] in the first

[01:26:48] one

[01:26:48] they don't

[01:26:49] overuse it

[01:26:50] and it's

[01:26:50] just there

[01:26:51] in the chair

[01:26:52] where they

[01:26:52] really make

[01:26:53] it a thing

[01:26:54] in 2015

[01:26:55] with it

[01:26:55] falling

[01:26:56] them all

[01:26:57] falling down

[01:26:57] in the closet

[01:26:57] and then

[01:26:58] running around

[01:26:58] jumping around

[01:27:00] oh but

[01:27:01] you know

[01:27:02] the nose

[01:27:02] thing

[01:27:03] oh I'm

[01:27:03] split

[01:27:03] I

[01:27:04] I

[01:27:06] don't know

[01:27:06] if I can

[01:27:07] make a decision

[01:27:07] on this one

[01:27:08] I appreciate

[01:27:11] 82's

[01:27:12] scarcer use

[01:27:13] but 2015

[01:27:15] does do

[01:27:16] a good job

[01:27:16] with what they

[01:27:17] do

[01:27:17] so I don't

[01:27:18] know

[01:27:18] I'm

[01:27:18] I'm

[01:27:19] conflicted

[01:27:19] yeah

[01:27:20] my feelings

[01:27:20] are that

[01:27:21] I thought

[01:27:22] that the

[01:27:22] clown

[01:27:23] the first

[01:27:24] clown

[01:27:24] they show

[01:27:24] in 2015

[01:27:25] was scarier

[01:27:25] but then

[01:27:26] it went overboard

[01:27:27] it went too far

[01:27:28] so I'm

[01:27:28] with you

[01:27:28] I am

[01:27:29] absolutely

[01:27:30] split on

[01:27:30] and

[01:27:30] do you

[01:27:31] have an

[01:27:31] opinion

[01:27:31] John

[01:27:32] I think

[01:27:32] the way

[01:27:33] you just

[01:27:33] described it

[01:27:34] Alicia

[01:27:34] was perfect

[01:27:35] is that

[01:27:36] the first

[01:27:36] clown

[01:27:36] was scarier

[01:27:37] but

[01:27:37] but yeah

[01:27:38] they botched

[01:27:39] it

[01:27:39] they botched

[01:27:39] it in

[01:27:40] the end

[01:27:40] hmm

[01:27:42] I'm trying to

[01:27:43] remember

[01:27:43] what happens

[01:27:43] with the

[01:27:44] clown

[01:27:44] in the

[01:27:44] first

[01:27:45] one

[01:27:45] should we

[01:27:45] give this

[01:27:46] one a tie

[01:27:46] yeah

[01:27:48] all right

[01:27:49] it's a

[01:27:49] it's a bone

[01:27:50] for 2015

[01:27:55] okay so

[01:27:56] the rescue

[01:27:57] so in

[01:27:58] 1982

[01:27:59] it's the

[01:28:00] mom who

[01:28:01] does it

[01:28:01] in 2015

[01:28:02] it's the

[01:28:03] boy who

[01:28:04] does it

[01:28:04] we see

[01:28:06] more inside

[01:28:07] again in

[01:28:07] the second

[01:28:08] one

[01:28:08] do you guys

[01:28:09] have a

[01:28:10] preference

[01:28:10] John

[01:28:12] I

[01:28:13] always enjoy

[01:28:14] the joke

[01:28:15] that I

[01:28:15] always quote

[01:28:16] from

[01:28:16] it's always

[01:28:17] sunny in

[01:28:17] Philadelphia

[01:28:18] where

[01:28:18] they're trying

[01:28:19] to make

[01:28:19] a new

[01:28:19] lethal

[01:28:20] weapon

[01:28:20] movie

[01:28:20] and

[01:28:21] Max

[01:28:21] says

[01:28:21] see

[01:28:22] I'm

[01:28:22] succeeding

[01:28:22] with the

[01:28:23] object

[01:28:23] I

[01:28:23] failed

[01:28:23] with

[01:28:23] at the

[01:28:24] beginning

[01:28:24] of the

[01:28:24] movie

[01:28:26] and

[01:28:26] I

[01:28:27] think

[01:28:27] that's

[01:28:27] that's

[01:28:28] the

[01:28:28] case

[01:28:28] with

[01:28:28] the

[01:28:28] boy

[01:28:29] in

[01:28:29] the

[01:28:29] second

[01:28:29] one

[01:28:29] and

[01:28:29] that's

[01:28:30] kind

[01:28:30] of

[01:28:30] fun

[01:28:30] you know

[01:28:31] it's

[01:28:31] I

[01:28:43] with

[01:28:43] the

[01:28:43] object

[01:28:43] I

[01:28:44] failed

[01:28:44] with

[01:28:44] at the

[01:28:44] beginning

[01:28:47] but

[01:28:49] I

[01:28:49] did

[01:28:50] enjoy

[01:28:51] that

[01:28:51] the

[01:28:51] mom

[01:28:51] finally

[01:28:51] did

[01:28:52] something

[01:28:52] in

[01:28:53] the

[01:28:53] first

[01:28:53] one

[01:28:53] so

[01:28:54] I

[01:28:54] think

[01:28:54] she

[01:28:54] had

[01:28:54] to

[01:28:54] redeem

[01:28:55] herself

[01:28:55] after

[01:28:55] just

[01:28:56] not

[01:28:56] watching

[01:28:56] her

[01:28:56] kids

[01:28:57] the

[01:28:57] entire

[01:28:57] time

[01:28:57] let's

[01:28:58] leave

[01:28:58] the

[01:28:58] six

[01:29:13] other

[01:29:13] parent

[01:29:13] with

[01:29:13] the

[01:29:13] other

[01:29:13] you

[01:29:14] got

[01:29:14] multiple

[01:29:14] parents

[01:29:16] yeah

[01:29:16] see

[01:29:17] okay

[01:29:17] so

[01:29:17] this

[01:29:18] is

[01:29:18] where

[01:29:18] I

[01:29:18] feel

[01:29:18] like

[01:29:18] the

[01:29:19] parents

[01:29:19] were

[01:29:19] negligent

[01:29:20] in

[01:29:20] the

[01:29:20] second

[01:29:20] one

[01:29:21] I

[01:29:21] was

[01:29:21] like

[01:29:21] I

[01:29:21] understand

[01:29:22] like

[01:29:22] the

[01:29:22] whole

[01:29:22] story arc

[01:29:23] of

[01:29:23] the

[01:29:43] the

[01:29:43] 82

[01:29:44] rescue

[01:29:45] I

[01:29:45] just

[01:29:46] didn't

[01:29:47] feel

[01:29:48] again

[01:29:49] there

[01:29:49] were

[01:29:49] some

[01:29:49] really

[01:29:50] dorky

[01:29:50] lines

[01:29:50] at

[01:29:51] the

[01:29:51] beginning

[01:29:51] the

[01:29:52] they

[01:29:53] make

[01:29:53] a

[01:29:53] whole

[01:29:53] thing

[01:29:53] about

[01:29:54] drilling

[01:29:55] through

[01:29:55] the

[01:29:55] wall

[01:29:56] but

[01:29:56] then

[01:29:56] they

[01:29:56] anchor

[01:29:57] the

[01:29:57] rope

[01:29:58] on

[01:29:58] the

[01:30:13] paranormal

[01:30:14] super

[01:30:15] like

[01:30:15] what

[01:30:15] the

[01:30:16] hell

[01:30:16] is

[01:30:16] going

[01:30:16] on

[01:30:16] and

[01:30:17] how

[01:30:17] are

[01:30:17] we

[01:30:17] going

[01:30:17] to

[01:30:17] figure

[01:30:17] this

[01:30:18] out

[01:30:18] yeah

[01:30:19] and

[01:30:19] I

[01:30:20] thought

[01:30:20] I

[01:30:20] thought

[01:30:20] 82

[01:30:21] did

[01:30:21] a

[01:30:21] better

[01:30:21] job

[01:30:22] of

[01:30:22] like

[01:30:23] why

[01:30:23] do

[01:30:23] you

[01:30:43] I

[01:30:45] know

[01:30:46] I

[01:30:46] know

[01:30:48] Stranger

[01:30:49] Things

[01:30:50] started

[01:30:51] a year

[01:30:51] later

[01:30:52] I

[01:30:52] just

[01:30:52] looked

[01:30:52] it

[01:30:52] up

[01:30:52] because

[01:30:53] I

[01:30:53] was

[01:30:53] like

[01:30:53] wait

[01:30:53] can

[01:30:53] I

[01:30:53] blame

[01:30:54] this

[01:30:54] on

[01:30:54] Stranger

[01:30:55] Things

[01:30:55] but

[01:30:56] I'm

[01:30:57] just

[01:30:57] so

[01:30:58] sick

[01:30:58] of

[01:30:58] seeing

[01:30:58] like

[01:30:59] oh

[01:31:00] my

[01:31:00] god

[01:31:00] it's

[01:31:00] all

[01:31:01] slimy

[01:31:01] and

[01:31:02] it's

[01:31:02] all

[01:31:02] dead

[01:31:03] in

[01:31:03] there

[01:31:03] I

[01:31:04] think

[01:31:04] I

[01:31:04] just

[01:31:05] have

[01:31:05] Stranger

[01:31:05] Things

[01:31:05] fatigue

[01:31:06] okay

[01:31:07] okay

[01:31:08] kids

[01:31:08] should

[01:31:08] be

[01:31:09] like

[01:31:09] 40

[01:31:09] by

[01:31:10] now

[01:31:10] can

[01:31:10] we

[01:31:10] stop

[01:31:11] making

[01:31:11] that

[01:31:11] show

[01:31:13] all

[01:31:14] right

[01:31:14] well

[01:31:15] final

[01:31:15] category

[01:31:16] is

[01:31:16] the

[01:31:17] second

[01:31:17] ending

[01:31:18] so

[01:31:20] in

[01:31:20] 82

[01:31:21] this

[01:31:21] is

[01:31:22] where

[01:31:22] the

[01:31:22] pool

[01:31:22] plot

[01:31:23] pays

[01:31:23] off

[01:31:23] into

[01:31:24] fruition

[01:31:24] it's

[01:31:24] also

[01:31:25] where

[01:31:25] you

[01:31:25] get

[01:31:25] like

[01:31:25] that

[01:31:26] iconic

[01:31:26] shot

[01:31:26] of

[01:31:27] the

[01:31:27] mom

[01:31:27] being

[01:31:27] thrown

[01:31:28] up

[01:31:28] on