Can you still feel the butterflies? In this episode, Mark gives five reasons why Jimmy Eat World’s 1999 hidden gem “For Me This is Heaven” could possibly be the greatest song of all time. Nichole starts off very, very skeptical. Will Mark be convincing? Come back next week for a full episode!
Music heard in this episode: Jimmy Eat World - “The Middle”, Jimmy Eat World - “For Me This is Heaven”, Jimmy Eat World - “Sweetness”, Jimmy Eat World - “Polaris”, Jimmy Eat World - “Lucky Denver Mint”, Radiohead - “Let Down”, Jimmy Eat World - “Table for Glasses”, Jimmy Eat World - “Your New Aesthetic”, Jimmy Eat World - “Just Watch the Fireworks”, Jimmy Eat World - “Blister”
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[00:01:45] Hey everybody, Mark here
[00:01:47] In this episode, this will not be the only episode like this
[00:01:51] I try to pitch Nicole on a song
[00:01:54] Not just any song, but a song that might be the greatest song of all time
[00:01:58] You be the judge
[00:02:10] Nicole
[00:02:11] We are going to talk about
[00:02:13] Jimmy Eat World
[00:02:14] Not as a full episode, at least not right now
[00:02:16] I am going to tell you
[00:02:18] How For Me This Is Heaven
[00:02:21] By Jimmy Eat World
[00:02:22] Might be the greatest song of all time
[00:02:24] Can you do that in 15 minutes or less, Mark?
[00:02:27] I'm going to try
[00:02:28] I hope so
[00:02:29] To be clear, I am not claiming in fact that
[00:02:32] For Me This Is Heaven by Jimmy Eat World
[00:02:34] Is in fact the greatest song of all time
[00:02:36] But I'm just providing you five reasons that it might be
[00:02:40] Cool, I've never heard this song
[00:02:41] Okay
[00:02:42] So we're off to a great start
[00:02:43] So yeah, I've really got to sell
[00:02:44] No place to go but up
[00:02:45] I've really got to bring my A-game
[00:02:47] I should say, as you hear it
[00:02:48] If you want to add good reasons
[00:02:50] Or even disagree
[00:02:52] Please feel free
[00:02:54] And open invitation
[00:02:55] Not right now
[00:02:56] But if you have a song
[00:02:57] You would also like to put out
[00:02:59] As a contender for the
[00:03:00] In fact
[00:03:01] Greatest song of all time
[00:03:02] Or potentiality of that fact
[00:03:04] Let me know
[00:03:05] Give me some parts of the song
[00:03:07] I'll queue up clips
[00:03:08] We can do it
[00:03:08] Listeners, help me out
[00:03:10] You know, get at us
[00:03:11] If you have ideas
[00:03:12] I have a couple ideas
[00:03:13] But I need your help
[00:03:14] So tell me what you think
[00:03:15] The greatest song of all time is
[00:03:17] Nevermusicpod
[00:03:18] At gmail.com
[00:03:19] Or on social media
[00:03:20] Listeners, I'm not promising
[00:03:21] You'll get an episode out of it
[00:03:22] But I really want to know
[00:03:23] What you all are thinking
[00:03:24] If Nicole's on board
[00:03:26] Certainly
[00:03:27] Jimmy Eat World
[00:03:28] Do you know Jimmy Eat World?
[00:03:29] I know this is a side check
[00:03:30] We shouldn't go long
[00:03:30] But is this a band
[00:03:31] You were a fan of at all?
[00:03:32] No
[00:03:32] Not familiar
[00:03:33] Okay, do you know
[00:03:34] Any of their songs even?
[00:03:35] If I heard them
[00:03:36] I probably would
[00:03:36] But it wasn't really
[00:03:38] So I would say
[00:03:39] Their most famous song
[00:03:40] Is a song called
[00:03:41] The Middle
[00:03:42] From their album
[00:03:43] Bleed American
[00:03:44] This song
[00:03:45] I would think
[00:03:46] Is 2001
[00:03:48] Maybe something like that
[00:03:50] It just takes some time
[00:03:52] I am of course
[00:04:05] Familiar with that song
[00:04:06] And now
[00:04:06] The more I learn
[00:04:07] About your style of music
[00:04:08] I can see how you would
[00:04:09] Probably
[00:04:10] In 2001
[00:04:11] Really have liked this band
[00:04:13] I really don't
[00:04:14] Like the middle
[00:04:15] Very much though
[00:04:15] Well not this song
[00:04:16] Because it's too basic
[00:04:17] But like the other
[00:04:18] Too basic
[00:04:19] I like pop rock
[00:04:20] You know
[00:04:21] I didn't really like that song
[00:04:22] When it came out
[00:04:23] It's I would think
[00:04:24] I'm pretty sure
[00:04:25] Their biggest hit
[00:04:28] Overall
[00:04:28] Comes from
[00:04:29] The album after
[00:04:31] The one I want to talk about
[00:04:32] But I would say
[00:04:33] Like first of all
[00:04:34] That sort of pop rock
[00:04:35] This band
[00:04:35] At the time
[00:04:36] Was kind of what
[00:04:37] You would have called
[00:04:37] An emo band
[00:04:38] Some of my students
[00:04:39] Would correct me
[00:04:40] And say they are
[00:04:41] A second wave
[00:04:41] Midwest emo band
[00:04:43] Though they're from Arizona
[00:04:44] Which is
[00:04:44] Well it's not on the coast
[00:04:46] Who's the first wave
[00:04:47] Of emo
[00:04:47] This is second wave
[00:04:48] First wave of emo
[00:04:49] The second wave emo
[00:04:50] Was kind of the indie rock
[00:04:52] Influenced stuff
[00:04:52] In the 90s more
[00:04:53] First wave is like
[00:04:54] Bands like
[00:04:54] Rites of Spring
[00:04:56] And things like that
[00:04:57] It grows out of the
[00:04:58] Sort of DC
[00:04:59] Hardcore punk
[00:05:00] Straight edge scene
[00:05:01] Anyways
[00:05:01] Sure
[00:05:02] This band sort of
[00:05:03] Was playing that style
[00:05:04] And they have some
[00:05:05] Of those influence
[00:05:05] They eventually just become
[00:05:06] Kind of an alternative rock
[00:05:07] Or pop rock band
[00:05:08] But I was actually
[00:05:10] In a band
[00:05:10] In college
[00:05:11] That was very much
[00:05:12] This kind of sound
[00:05:14] Won't go into
[00:05:15] Playing us now
[00:05:16] Because you're
[00:05:17] Just giving me grief
[00:05:17] For all the
[00:05:18] Self aggrandizing
[00:05:19] I do on this podcast
[00:05:20] Dream Hydra
[00:05:21] No Dream Hydra
[00:05:22] Was later
[00:05:22] Later
[00:05:23] Yeah
[00:05:23] Not so emo
[00:05:24] Dream Hydra
[00:05:25] So this is
[00:05:26] Before Dream Hydra
[00:05:28] Before the
[00:05:29] Barbershop Quartet
[00:05:30] Before the
[00:05:31] Acapella
[00:05:32] Contemporary to
[00:05:33] The Acapella
[00:05:33] Oh
[00:05:34] So after the
[00:05:35] Weezer cover band
[00:05:36] After the
[00:05:36] Weezer cover band
[00:05:37] After the
[00:05:37] Ska band
[00:05:38] After the
[00:05:39] Rage Against
[00:05:40] The Machine
[00:05:40] Cover band
[00:05:40] Contemporaneous
[00:05:41] To the
[00:05:42] Acapella group
[00:05:43] Okay
[00:05:43] Before Dream Hydra
[00:05:45] Way before Dream Hydra
[00:05:46] Way before
[00:05:46] Well yeah
[00:05:47] I mean
[00:05:47] I was living
[00:05:49] This is a
[00:05:49] Bay Area
[00:05:50] Emo band
[00:05:50] Dream Hydra
[00:05:51] Is an LA
[00:05:52] Oh yeah
[00:05:53] Prog pop band
[00:05:54] For sure
[00:05:54] It's clear
[00:05:55] Anyways
[00:05:55] So here are my
[00:05:57] Five reasons why
[00:05:58] The song
[00:05:59] For me
[00:05:59] This is heaven
[00:05:59] Could be the
[00:06:00] Greatest song
[00:06:01] Of all time
[00:06:01] This song
[00:06:02] Comes from
[00:06:03] Let me just
[00:06:03] Play you
[00:06:03] What I would
[00:06:04] Call the hook
[00:06:05] Or the chorus
[00:06:05] Of the tune
[00:06:31] I hate it
[00:06:32] You hate it
[00:06:33] Alright
[00:06:33] I gotta try
[00:06:34] I gotta try
[00:06:34] To work hard
[00:06:35] Though
[00:06:35] Listeners
[00:06:36] Right in
[00:06:37] So this comes
[00:06:37] From their
[00:06:38] 1999 album
[00:06:39] Clarity
[00:06:39] We can talk
[00:06:39] About that
[00:06:40] A little later
[00:06:40] To be clear
[00:06:41] I'm not even
[00:06:42] Sure a lot
[00:06:42] Of people
[00:06:43] Would even
[00:06:44] Agree with me
[00:06:44] That this is
[00:06:45] The best
[00:06:45] Jimmy Eat World
[00:06:46] Song
[00:06:46] People like
[00:06:47] The middle
[00:06:47] People like
[00:06:49] This song
[00:06:49] Sweetness
[00:06:50] Which is off
[00:06:50] Of the same
[00:06:51] Album
[00:06:51] The middle's
[00:06:52] On
[00:06:53] From 2001
[00:06:54] This is more
[00:06:55] Like emo
[00:06:56] Kind of
[00:07:14] Familiar
[00:07:15] No
[00:07:15] No
[00:07:16] There's also
[00:07:16] A song
[00:07:17] Off of
[00:07:18] Their
[00:07:18] The album
[00:07:18] After that
[00:07:19] 2004
[00:07:19] It's called
[00:07:20] Futures
[00:07:20] People really
[00:07:21] Like the song
[00:07:22] 23
[00:07:22] I would say
[00:07:24] Polaris
[00:07:24] Maybe is a
[00:07:25] Contender
[00:07:47] Or
[00:07:47] On the same
[00:07:49] Album that
[00:07:49] For me
[00:07:49] This is
[00:07:50] Heaven is
[00:07:50] On
[00:07:50] The song
[00:07:50] Lucky Denver
[00:07:51] Mint
[00:07:51] Which was
[00:07:53] Minor
[00:07:53] Single
[00:07:54] On rock
[00:07:54] Radio
[00:08:13] Nicole's got
[00:08:14] A really
[00:08:14] Skeptical
[00:08:15] Look on
[00:08:15] Her face
[00:08:16] It's not
[00:08:16] Your scene
[00:08:17] It's not
[00:08:17] My scene
[00:08:18] Alright
[00:08:18] I'm gonna
[00:08:18] Try
[00:08:18] I'm gonna
[00:08:19] Try
[00:08:19] So this
[00:08:19] Song
[00:08:20] I didn't
[00:08:20] Even
[00:08:20] Really
[00:08:20] I really
[00:08:21] Like the
[00:08:21] Album
[00:08:21] It came
[00:08:22] From
[00:08:22] But I
[00:08:22] Didn't
[00:08:22] Really
[00:08:22] Take
[00:08:23] Special
[00:08:23] Notice
[00:08:24] Of
[00:08:30] Was like
[00:08:30] Oh that
[00:08:30] Song
[00:08:30] Is the
[00:08:31] Best
[00:08:31] Song
[00:08:31] And I
[00:08:31] Was like
[00:08:31] Eh
[00:08:32] And then
[00:08:33] Gradually I
[00:08:33] Realized he
[00:08:34] Was correct
[00:08:34] Samir was
[00:08:35] Right
[00:08:35] Samir was
[00:08:35] Right
[00:08:36] I think
[00:08:36] That might
[00:08:36] Be a bumper
[00:08:38] Sticker
[00:08:38] Somewhere
[00:08:38] The song
[00:08:39] Somehow
[00:08:40] Feels like
[00:08:40] More
[00:08:41] Kind of
[00:08:41] Important
[00:08:41] Than the
[00:08:42] Rest of
[00:08:42] The album
[00:08:43] On some
[00:08:43] Level
[00:08:43] Song was
[00:08:44] Written by
[00:08:44] The band
[00:08:45] By the way
[00:08:45] And the
[00:08:46] Album
[00:08:46] Commercial
[00:08:47] Failure
[00:08:47] Yeah
[00:08:48] But it
[00:08:48] We'll talk
[00:08:49] More about
[00:08:49] The album
[00:08:50] Maybe
[00:08:50] One of
[00:08:51] My
[00:08:51] Other
[00:08:51] Reasons
[00:08:51] So the
[00:08:52] Number one
[00:08:52] Reason
[00:08:54] Why
[00:08:54] Not
[00:08:55] These are
[00:08:56] Not in
[00:08:56] Order
[00:08:56] But my
[00:08:56] Sure
[00:08:57] My first
[00:08:58] Reason why
[00:08:59] This could
[00:09:00] Be the
[00:09:00] Greatest
[00:09:00] Song of
[00:09:00] All time
[00:09:01] Is it
[00:09:02] Has an
[00:09:02] Extremely
[00:09:03] Interesting
[00:09:03] Texture
[00:09:04] It is
[00:09:05] Busy
[00:09:06] Sounding
[00:09:07] It's
[00:09:07] Busy
[00:09:08] Sounding
[00:09:08] What we
[00:09:09] Have
[00:09:09] Is a
[00:09:10] Lot
[00:09:10] Of
[00:09:11] Complex
[00:09:11] Interactions
[00:09:12] And it's
[00:09:12] Not a
[00:09:13] Complicated
[00:09:13] Song
[00:09:13] But all
[00:09:14] The different
[00:09:15] Guitars
[00:09:15] And the
[00:09:15] Piano
[00:09:16] And bass
[00:09:16] And drums
[00:09:16] Are all
[00:09:17] Doing something
[00:09:17] Different
[00:09:18] It has
[00:09:19] Like a
[00:09:20] Sort of
[00:09:20] Wall of
[00:09:21] Sound
[00:09:21] And that's
[00:09:22] A term
[00:09:22] From the
[00:09:23] 60s
[00:09:23] Production
[00:09:23] That I
[00:09:24] Don't
[00:09:24] Really
[00:09:24] Mean
[00:09:25] To be
[00:09:25] Referring
[00:09:25] To
[00:09:25] Except
[00:09:26] That
[00:09:26] Just
[00:09:27] There's
[00:09:27] A lot
[00:09:28] Coming
[00:09:29] At you
[00:09:29] So listen
[00:09:30] To this
[00:09:31] Part of
[00:09:31] The song
[00:09:32] To hear
[00:09:32] A bit
[00:09:32] Especially
[00:09:33] If you've
[00:09:33] Got
[00:09:33] Headphones
[00:09:34] On
[00:09:34] You'll
[00:09:34] Hear
[00:09:34] Different
[00:09:34] Things
[00:09:35] On the
[00:09:35] Left
[00:09:35] And
[00:09:35] Right
[00:09:47] There's
[00:09:48] A lot
[00:09:48] Of
[00:09:48] Interlocking
[00:09:49] Elements
[00:09:50] That don't
[00:09:50] All play
[00:09:51] Together
[00:09:51] It reminds
[00:09:51] Me
[00:09:52] Do you
[00:09:52] Know
[00:09:52] Radiohead
[00:09:53] Yes
[00:09:54] Yes
[00:09:54] Okay
[00:09:54] Letdown
[00:09:55] Off of
[00:09:56] Okay
[00:09:56] Computer
[00:09:56] Have
[00:09:57] You
[00:09:57] Heard
[00:09:58] So let
[00:09:59] Down
[00:09:59] Has a
[00:10:00] Similar
[00:10:00] Kind of
[00:10:00] Crazy
[00:10:01] Busyness
[00:10:02] That's
[00:10:02] Very
[00:10:02] Beautiful
[00:10:20] See I
[00:10:21] Like that
[00:10:21] A lot
[00:10:21] To me
[00:10:22] It feels
[00:10:22] More
[00:10:23] Balanced
[00:10:23] A lot
[00:10:24] Of
[00:10:24] The songs
[00:10:25] From
[00:10:26] This
[00:10:26] Genre
[00:10:27] This
[00:10:27] Jimmy
[00:10:27] World
[00:10:28] Genre
[00:10:28] Seems
[00:10:29] Like
[00:10:29] They're
[00:10:30] Just
[00:10:30] It's
[00:10:30] Just a
[00:10:31] Barrage
[00:10:31] And
[00:10:32] I
[00:10:32] Get
[00:10:32] Over
[00:10:33] Stimulated
[00:10:33] By
[00:10:33] It's
[00:10:34] Just
[00:10:34] Like
[00:10:34] It's
[00:10:34] All
[00:10:34] Just
[00:10:35] Coming
[00:10:35] At
[00:10:35] You
[00:10:35] Out
[00:10:35] The
[00:10:35] Same
[00:10:36] Volume
[00:10:36] Same
[00:10:36] Tone
[00:10:36] It's
[00:10:37] Just
[00:10:37] Like
[00:10:37] I
[00:10:37] Think
[00:10:37] This
[00:10:37] Song
[00:10:38] Has
[00:10:38] A lot
[00:10:38] Of
[00:10:38] Rise
[00:10:39] And
[00:11:51] So
[00:12:03] Here's
[00:12:04] Here's
[00:12:04] Student
[00:12:04] Here's
[00:12:17] Remember
[00:12:18] Sorry
[00:12:18] I
[00:12:18] Remember
[00:12:19] This
[00:12:19] Group
[00:12:19] They
[00:12:19] Were
[00:12:19] So
[00:12:19] Talented
[00:12:20] They
[00:12:20] Were
[00:12:20] Good
[00:12:20] And
[00:12:21] This
[00:12:21] We
[00:12:21] Streamed
[00:12:22] It
[00:13:09] Number
[00:13:09] Number
[00:13:10] Two
[00:13:10] For
[00:13:10] Me
[00:13:10] Is
[00:13:10] The
[00:13:11] Rhythm
[00:13:11] It's
[00:13:12] In
[00:13:12] Three
[00:13:12] Four
[00:13:12] One
[00:13:13] Two
[00:13:14] Three
[00:13:14] But
[00:13:15] It's
[00:13:15] Not
[00:13:15] Waltzy
[00:13:16] It's
[00:13:16] Still
[00:13:16] Rocks
[00:13:16] It's
[00:13:17] Like
[00:13:17] Uneven
[00:13:18] The
[00:13:18] Bass
[00:13:18] Is
[00:13:18] All
[00:13:18] Off
[00:13:19] Time
[00:13:19] So
[00:13:20] Let
[00:13:20] Let
[00:13:20] Me
[00:13:20] Take
[00:13:20] A listen
[00:13:21] To
[00:13:58] Over
[00:13:58] Okay
[00:13:59] So
[00:13:59] Number
[00:14:00] Three
[00:14:00] So
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