Agatha All Along – S01E05 – Darkest Hour / Wake Thy Power (MCUniverse)

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[00:01:42] Darkest hour

[00:01:44] Wake thy power

[00:01:46] Earthly and divine

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[00:01:55] And glory shall be thine

[00:01:58] Welcome to the Lorehounds

[00:02:03] I'm still doing my singing shit

[00:02:06] One of these days

[00:02:07] Jean will join me

[00:02:08] But I don't think today is it

[00:02:10] Yeah, you're absolutely right

[00:02:12] Today's not it

[00:02:14] Hi, I'm Jean

[00:02:15] And I'm Alicia

[00:02:17] And this is MC Universe

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[00:02:20] On the Lorehounds

[00:02:21] We're here today to talk

[00:02:23] Episode 5 of Agatha All Along

[00:02:25] Darkest hour

[00:02:26] Wake thy power

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[00:02:54] All right, Jean

[00:02:55] So episode 5

[00:02:57] Darkest hour

[00:02:58] Wake thy power

[00:02:59] What did you think?

[00:03:01] It's my favorite episode

[00:03:02] Okay, cool

[00:03:03] Talk more

[00:03:04] This is my favorite episode

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[00:10:46] Defending

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[00:10:48] Lurker

[00:10:48] Come

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[00:10:49] Finish

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[00:10:50] Story

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[00:10:54] Going

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[00:11:00] This

[00:11:01] Episode

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[00:11:02] Yeah

[00:11:03] She's

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[00:11:05] Her

[00:11:05] Own

[00:11:05] Thing

[00:11:05] And

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[00:11:07] Done

[00:11:07] Being

[00:11:08] Used

[00:11:10] And

[00:11:10] Put

[00:11:11] To

[00:11:11] The

[00:11:11] Back

[00:11:11] Burner

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[00:11:18] Makes

[00:11:19] That

[00:11:19] Clear

[00:11:19] Okay

[00:11:20] So

[00:11:20] Shall

[00:11:20] We

[00:11:21] Finish

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[00:11:21] Story

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[00:11:22] Does

[00:11:22] It

[00:11:22] Turn

[00:11:22] Out

[00:11:22] The

[00:11:23] Salem

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[00:11:23] Are

[00:11:24] They

[00:11:25] Are

[00:11:26] The

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[00:11:27] Of

[00:11:28] The

[00:11:28] People

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[00:11:29] Murdered

[00:11:32] Murders

[00:11:32] Yeah

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[00:11:33] A

[00:11:33] Choice

[00:11:33] Maybe

[00:11:34] Because

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[00:11:34] Have

[00:11:35] Questions

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[00:11:35] Talk

[00:11:35] About

[00:11:36] Later

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[00:11:37] To

[00:11:38] Control

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[00:11:39] Saw

[00:11:40] We

[00:11:41] Saw

[00:11:41] Wanda

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[00:11:43] 1693

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[00:11:52] Just

[00:11:52] Ended

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[00:11:52] Absorbing

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[00:11:53] Power

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[00:11:55] Got

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[00:12:03] She

[00:12:03] Has

[00:12:04] Full

[00:12:04] Control

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[00:12:05] Says

[00:12:05] That

[00:12:05] She

[00:12:05] Does

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[00:12:07] Believe

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[00:12:10] We'll

[00:12:10] Talk

[00:12:10] About

[00:12:11] Her

[00:12:11] More

[00:12:11] Later

[00:12:11] But

[00:12:12] I

[00:12:13] I

[00:12:14] Don't

[00:12:15] Think

[00:12:15] She's

[00:12:15] Purely

[00:12:16] Evil

[00:12:16] As

[00:12:17] Her

[00:12:17] Mother

[00:12:17] Says

[00:12:17] But

[00:12:18] But

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[00:12:21] Seven

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[00:12:21] Mean

[00:12:22] She

[00:12:22] Just

[00:12:22] Basically

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[00:12:23] Killed

[00:12:24] That

[00:12:24] Coven

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[00:12:25] They

[00:12:25] Were

[00:12:25] Attacking

[00:12:25] Her

[00:12:26] And

[00:12:26] Then

[00:12:26] Their

[00:12:27] Children

[00:12:27] Continued

[00:12:27] To

[00:12:28] Live

[00:12:28] So

[00:12:29] They're

[00:12:29] Not

[00:12:29] Her

[00:12:29] Grandchildren

[00:12:30] Like

[00:12:31] In

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[00:12:31] Comics

[00:12:32] But

[00:12:32] They're

[00:12:32] Kind

[00:12:32] Like

[00:12:33] Spiritual

[00:12:33] Cousins

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[00:12:35] Mean

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[00:12:36] She's

[00:12:36] They're

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[00:12:42] Family

[00:12:42] Is

[00:12:42] Blood

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[00:12:45] Some

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[00:12:46] Familiar

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[00:12:48] And

[00:12:48] The

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[00:13:02] Part

[00:13:02] That

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[00:13:03] Still

[00:13:03] What

[00:13:04] It

[00:13:04] Boils

[00:13:04] Down

[00:13:04] To

[00:13:06] So

[00:13:06] For

[00:13:07] Them

[00:13:07] This

[00:13:07] Is

[00:13:07] Not

[00:13:08] Something

[00:13:09] That's

[00:13:10] Easily

[00:13:10] Forgotten

[00:13:11] Or

[00:13:11] Forgiven

[00:13:12] Hence

[00:13:13] Why

[00:13:14] They

[00:13:14] Want

[00:13:15] To

[00:13:15] See

[00:13:15] Her

[00:13:15] Buried

[00:13:15] In

[00:13:16] The

[00:13:16] Ground

[00:13:16] Yeah

[00:13:17] And

[00:13:17] Agatha

[00:13:18] As

[00:13:19] Always

[00:13:19] Takes

[00:13:20] Away

[00:13:20] The

[00:13:20] Best

[00:13:20] Possible

[00:13:20] Moral

[00:13:21] From

[00:13:21] The

[00:13:21] Situation

[00:13:24] The

[00:13:24] Moral

[00:13:25] Of

[00:13:25] The

[00:13:25] Story

[00:13:25] Kids

[00:13:26] Is

[00:13:26] Always

[00:13:27] Finish

[00:13:27] What

[00:13:27] You

[00:13:32] But

[00:13:33] Then

[00:13:33] Of

[00:13:33] Course

[00:13:33] She's

[00:13:34] Asking

[00:13:34] For

[00:13:34] Mercy

[00:13:35] Later

[00:13:35] On

[00:13:35] This

[00:13:35] Episode

[00:13:36] Yeah

[00:13:36] Yeah

[00:13:37] But

[00:13:37] It's

[00:13:38] Overrated

[00:13:38] Don't

[00:13:38] Ever

[00:13:39] Forget

[00:13:39] That

[00:13:39] But

[00:13:41] I

[00:13:41] Feel

[00:13:41] Like

[00:13:41] She

[00:13:42] Says

[00:13:42] Has

[00:13:42] A Lot

[00:13:42] Of

[00:13:42] Things

[00:13:43] To

[00:13:43] Project

[00:13:43] A

[00:13:43] Certain

[00:13:44] Personality

[00:13:44] That's

[00:13:45] Not

[00:13:46] That's

[00:13:47] It's

[00:13:47] A

[00:13:47] Lot

[00:13:48] Of

[00:13:48] Bravado

[00:13:48] Like

[00:13:49] Rio

[00:13:50] Calls

[00:13:50] It

[00:13:50] Out

[00:13:50] For

[00:13:50] It

[00:13:51] Directly

[00:13:51] Later

[00:13:52] No

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[00:13:53] Agree

[00:13:53] I

[00:13:53] Think

[00:13:53] I

[00:13:54] I'm

[00:13:55] Of

[00:13:55] The

[00:13:55] Is

[00:13:56] Everything

[00:13:56] That

[00:13:57] We

[00:13:57] Know

[00:13:57] That

[00:13:58] We've

[00:13:58] Heard

[00:13:58] About

[00:13:59] Or

[00:13:59] Is

[00:13:59] It

[00:13:59] All

[00:13:59] True

[00:14:01] You

[00:14:01] Know

[00:14:02] Is

[00:14:02] It

[00:14:03] You

[00:14:04] Know

[00:14:04] A

[00:14:05] Facade

[00:14:05] Yeah

[00:14:06] Yeah

[00:14:07] So

[00:14:07] What

[00:14:12] Just

[00:14:13] The

[00:14:13] Way

[00:14:13] That

[00:14:13] They

[00:14:14] Have

[00:14:14] Captured

[00:14:14] The

[00:14:15] Way

[00:14:15] They

[00:14:15] Have

[00:14:16] The

[00:14:16] Move

[00:14:16] About

[00:14:18] The

[00:14:20] Physical

[00:14:20] Space

[00:14:21] That

[00:14:21] They

[00:14:21] Inhabit

[00:14:22] On

[00:14:23] Screen

[00:14:23] Just

[00:14:24] Really

[00:14:24] Really

[00:14:25] Great

[00:14:27] If

[00:14:27] You

[00:14:27] Take

[00:14:28] Them

[00:14:28] Out

[00:14:28] Of

[00:14:28] This

[00:14:28] Show

[00:14:29] And

[00:14:29] Put

[00:14:29] Them

[00:14:29] In

[00:14:29] Another

[00:14:30] Show

[00:14:30] They're

[00:14:30] Still

[00:14:31] Scary

[00:14:31] As

[00:14:32] Hell

[00:14:32] Right

[00:14:32] So

[00:14:34] Great

[00:14:35] Representation

[00:14:36] of

[00:14:37] Something

[00:14:37] That

[00:14:38] The

[00:14:38] People

[00:14:39] On

[00:14:39] The

[00:14:39] Show

[00:14:40] Themselves

[00:14:40] Those

[00:14:40] Characters

[00:14:41] Are

[00:14:41] Fearful

[00:14:42] Of

[00:14:42] And

[00:14:43] We

[00:14:43] Get

[00:14:44] To

[00:14:44] See

[00:14:44] Why

[00:14:44] They're

[00:14:45] Fearful

[00:14:46] Of

[00:14:46] Right

[00:14:47] Because

[00:14:47] They

[00:14:48] Do

[00:14:48] Emanate

[00:14:49] That

[00:14:50] Sort

[00:14:50] Of

[00:14:50] Vibe

[00:14:51] When

[00:14:52] You

[00:14:52] Watch

[00:14:52] Them

[00:14:52] On

[00:14:52] Screen

[00:14:53] Just

[00:14:54] Everything

[00:14:54] About

[00:14:55] Them

[00:14:55] From

[00:14:55] You

[00:14:56] Know

[00:14:56] The

[00:14:56] Mask

[00:14:57] And

[00:14:57] The

[00:14:57] Robes

[00:14:58] And

[00:14:58] Again

[00:14:58] I

[00:14:59] Just

[00:14:59] Really

[00:14:59] Love

[00:15:00] How

[00:15:00] They

[00:15:01] Capture

[00:15:01] How

[00:15:01] They

[00:15:01] Move

[00:15:02] In

[00:15:02] That

[00:15:02] Creepy

[00:15:03] What

[00:15:04] Was

[00:15:04] That

[00:15:05] That

[00:15:06] What

[00:15:07] Is

[00:15:07] That

[00:15:08] Movie

[00:15:09] I

[00:15:10] I

[00:15:10] I

[00:15:11] Try

[00:15:40] The

[00:15:41] Agatha

[00:15:41] They

[00:15:42] Are

[00:15:43] In

[00:15:44] This

[00:15:44] Case

[00:15:44] They

[00:15:44] Fully

[00:15:45] Shift

[00:15:45] Into

[00:15:45] Animals

[00:15:46] Whereas

[00:15:46] In

[00:15:46] The

[00:15:46] Comics

[00:15:47] Some

[00:15:47] Of

[00:15:47] Them

[00:15:47] Just

[00:15:48] Shifted

[00:15:48] Into

[00:15:48] Kind

[00:15:49] Of

[00:15:49] Animals

[00:15:49] Like

[00:15:50] Humans

[00:15:50] With

[00:15:50] Snake

[00:15:51] Arms

[00:15:51] Sort

[00:16:41] Should we be laughing at that?

[00:16:45] I feel like it's kind of played for laughs, but I do feel for Gazelle.

[00:16:48] She's my favorite, so I miss her.

[00:16:52] But the one with the cicadas where they swooped back down and swooped past with all the cicadas coming out of her mouth,

[00:17:01] that is Vertigo, which is the name of the leader in the comics.

[00:17:05] But in the comics, Vertigo doesn't shift.

[00:17:07] He or she does shift.

[00:17:08] So I was wondering if Vertigo might have pulled down the brooms because that's her power in the comics is stuff like that.

[00:17:18] That remains to be seen.

[00:17:20] That remains to be seen.

[00:17:22] Or does she just shift, which is fine, but just wondering.

[00:17:25] Or does somebody else do it?

[00:17:27] But it's weird.

[00:17:28] She's the only one where they kept the name Vertigo.

[00:17:31] I want to make sure.

[00:17:33] Because she's, I guess, the leader in the comic, but still, it's notable that they kept the name.

[00:17:39] What did you think of the Hexenbism, the Witch's Broom ritual?

[00:17:44] I thought that was cool.

[00:17:46] I thought that was cool.

[00:17:48] They didn't just pick up a branch or a stick and immediately it was able to go.

[00:17:56] So they had to enchant it.

[00:17:59] They had to make it happen.

[00:18:01] Practical magic, right?

[00:18:03] So I really liked that the circle that they had to walk around in a circle chanting their enchantment was really cool.

[00:18:14] And that it didn't have to look like a broom.

[00:18:18] You know what I mean?

[00:18:19] I appreciate it.

[00:18:21] Lily says, you could have tried harder to Jennifer.

[00:18:24] Yes, yes, yes.

[00:18:25] Like, look at this, you know, branch that you gave me.

[00:18:29] Like, what is this?

[00:18:30] I put flowers on yours.

[00:18:33] So I like the representation that they did with how, you know, the things that we are meant to think of when we think of witches is not necessarily so.

[00:18:46] Right?

[00:18:47] And I think they're doing a very good job of that, this show.

[00:18:50] Yeah.

[00:18:51] Yeah, I really liked that they, that it was a, it was a coven of two.

[00:18:57] Coven two, as Agatha said last week.

[00:19:00] It was, but it was something you had to do in cooperation with someone else.

[00:19:04] And I thought that that was cool.

[00:19:06] But I did like what Lillia said.

[00:19:09] That was funny.

[00:19:10] She said,

[00:19:10] This is so humiliating.

[00:19:13] Here.

[00:19:14] Why does your generation hate them so much?

[00:19:16] Bromes have been co-opted by the holiday industrial complex as an absurd emblem of our culture.

[00:19:23] Worse yet, they're an obvious symbol of female domesticity.

[00:19:26] And they're basic.

[00:19:30] That was great.

[00:19:31] They're basic.

[00:19:32] They're basic.

[00:19:35] Like, if you're going to give us something, you know, at least make it fly.

[00:19:38] You know what I mean?

[00:19:39] Yeah.

[00:19:39] Like, make it dope.

[00:19:40] Don't give me the, you know, a broom.

[00:19:43] You know?

[00:19:44] It was like, don't let that represent.

[00:19:47] Yeah.

[00:19:48] So, where it comes from in history is that apparently it was used in pagan ritual where, like, for, they would do a ritual to make the crops grow.

[00:20:00] And they would, like, straddle brooms and jump up in the air to say, like, the crops should grow this high.

[00:20:09] So, it does have, and I guess, you know, the pagan rituals got associated with witchcraft and et cetera, et cetera.

[00:20:15] The rest is history.

[00:20:17] Although, there is, I do have to address, there is another thing that people like to say, which does have some truth to it, is that sometimes to apply medication or some other drug, the, it was believed the best way to do it was through a place where the skin is thin, you know?

[00:20:35] Like, the areas between your legs.

[00:20:36] So, and the best way to do it would be to rub a broom back there.

[00:20:41] So, those are the real origins of the broom myth.

[00:20:47] But we got that classic image of the witch flying in front of the moon.

[00:20:51] Which was great.

[00:20:53] Yeah.

[00:20:54] So, such a.

[00:20:55] The blood moon.

[00:20:56] Yeah.

[00:20:57] Such a wonderful visual.

[00:20:59] So many, you know, just so many memories of something like that on screen.

[00:21:06] E.T., you know, just countless, you know, Halloween photos and things from childhood that you think about.

[00:21:17] That was just a great visual.

[00:21:19] Just really awesome.

[00:21:21] Yeah.

[00:21:22] Yeah.

[00:21:23] Yeah.

[00:21:23] And even, even Lilia got into it.

[00:21:25] She's like, I haven't done this in centuries.

[00:21:28] Yeah.

[00:21:29] It was really nice and fun moments.

[00:21:31] So, I knew that something horrible was going to happen.

[00:21:33] Oh, you knew at that moment.

[00:21:36] Exactly that moment.

[00:21:37] Yeah.

[00:21:38] I was like, oh no, they're having too much fun.

[00:21:40] It's going to go bad.

[00:21:41] It was gracious.

[00:21:44] But it was interesting, the pairings we had.

[00:21:47] So, we had Agatha and Rio.

[00:21:48] And did you notice that Agatha sent Rio a longing look while they were in the air?

[00:21:53] And then, like, kind of caught herself?

[00:21:55] I didn't notice that.

[00:21:56] Like, she was remembering.

[00:21:57] Like, she was remembering some adventure.

[00:21:59] Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[00:22:00] That they had.

[00:22:00] Yeah.

[00:22:01] Yes.

[00:22:02] Yes.

[00:22:03] Lily and Jennifer seem to be continuously paired up.

[00:22:07] That makes sense, too.

[00:22:08] And then Alice and Teen.

[00:22:09] I mean, oh, Teen was, like, so happy that he got to be part of the coven.

[00:22:14] Yes, he did.

[00:22:16] Well.

[00:22:17] But is he part of the coven?

[00:22:20] Is he really part of the coven?

[00:22:22] He's part of Alice's coven, too, at least for the broom thing.

[00:22:27] Did you see how long that lasted?

[00:22:28] Yeah.

[00:22:29] Oh.

[00:22:29] But she did protect him before they took off.

[00:22:32] She was being a very good protection witch this episode.

[00:22:35] Too good.

[00:22:36] Too good, yeah.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:37] She was too nice.

[00:22:39] So nice characters always die, which I think is bullshit.

[00:22:43] Nice characters should get to live.

[00:22:45] Yeah.

[00:22:45] Nice people do live, you know?

[00:22:47] It's true.

[00:22:48] A nice person doesn't always bite it at the end.

[00:22:51] You know, sometimes we get to live.

[00:22:53] I said we as if I'm a very nice person.

[00:22:56] I am.

[00:22:56] You are a nice person.

[00:22:57] You know?

[00:22:58] We get to live, you know, long fruitful lives over the week.

[00:23:01] So, yeah.

[00:23:01] Yeah.

[00:23:03] Did you have any more thoughts on this opening scene pre-cabin?

[00:23:06] No, I just thought it was great.

[00:23:10] The whole chase scene.

[00:23:12] I love the fact that they're on the road and then they hear, you know, the Salem Seven both in front and behind them.

[00:23:21] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:22] You know, so it's like this corralling of the prey.

[00:23:27] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:27] Just good stuff, man.

[00:23:28] Just good stuff.

[00:23:30] Yeah.

[00:23:31] No, it was such a good opening, which is why I was like, this episode took me on the entire rollercoaster of emotions.

[00:23:38] And this was, yeah, it was still on a warm glow from the end of the last one.

[00:23:42] And then, you know, this picked back up at that.

[00:23:44] And then, ugh.

[00:23:45] And really good foreshadowing by showing us, you know, Agatha's witch trial in which she drained the life force from the coven, you know, originally.

[00:23:58] Which is how she became the myth that she is in witch circles.

[00:24:04] So it was a good foreshadowing of what's going to take place in this episode.

[00:24:12] All right.

[00:24:12] Well, let's get into what's going to take place in this episode after a quick break.

[00:24:17] The road is wild and wicked, winding through the woods.

[00:24:21] Where all that's wrong is right, and all that's bad is good.

[00:24:27] Some tricks and trials, we wander high and low.

[00:24:30] Tain your fears, the door appears, the time has come to go.

[00:24:37] I had to pick that one.

[00:24:38] For you, because you said it was your favorite of the 30s.

[00:24:41] Yeah, I love that Bluesies vibe to it.

[00:24:43] I love that Bluesies, you know, this shit is going down type of vibe.

[00:24:47] I love it.

[00:24:48] Really good stuff.

[00:24:50] Do you want to set us up for a spooky slumber party?

[00:24:53] All right.

[00:24:54] So inside the cabin, their new wardrobe change goes full 80s.

[00:24:59] Looking for a way to start the trial, a Ouija board flies off a shelf at them.

[00:25:05] So they read the rules and begin.

[00:25:07] Agatha, whom Rio says is scared, making a joke of being possessed by Mrs. Hart.

[00:25:15] Yeah, so we find out that this is the blood moon trial, which in a blood moon is just another

[00:25:21] name for a total lunar eclipse.

[00:25:23] Because when the sunlight is blocked from the moon, as we look at it through our atmosphere,

[00:25:30] it's yeah, the light looks red.

[00:25:32] So we call it the blood moon.

[00:25:34] So it's not a phase of the moon like the others, but it is like a state of the moon.

[00:25:39] And by the way, the next one in our world is March 13th and 14th of 2025.

[00:25:47] And I thought this was funny.

[00:25:49] So in 2014 and 2015, there were four blood moons in a row, which is just something that

[00:25:56] happens sometimes.

[00:25:57] And there were a couple pastors prophesied that it was the beginning of the end times.

[00:26:04] And apparently in the book of Joel, it says the sun will turn into darkness and the moon

[00:26:10] into blood before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes.

[00:26:14] Yeah.

[00:26:14] Be very wary of those who tell you the end is nigh.

[00:26:19] Mm hmm.

[00:26:20] By this.

[00:26:21] No, I don't know if they're they.

[00:26:23] I don't know.

[00:26:24] I have to assume they were genuine.

[00:26:25] I don't really know.

[00:26:26] I didn't look that deep.

[00:26:27] No, I'm not saying that they're not genuine.

[00:26:28] Yeah.

[00:26:29] I'm just saying be very skeptical.

[00:26:31] Yeah.

[00:26:32] At least I am.

[00:26:33] Mm hmm.

[00:26:34] Yeah, no, they did, by the way, sell books.

[00:26:37] So hmm.

[00:26:38] Just saying.

[00:26:39] Mm hmm.

[00:26:40] But yeah, so the blood moon in witchcraft, it's associated with like transformation, revelation

[00:26:46] or working through challenges.

[00:26:48] It's also in certain Wiccan writings.

[00:26:51] It's a name for the month of October.

[00:26:53] But I have to say like Wiccan or general broader witchcraft beliefs are kind of all over

[00:26:59] the place because they evolved in many places with many different backgrounds.

[00:27:04] So.

[00:27:05] So.

[00:27:06] But there is a in the show, they say that the blood moon is associated with like a thinning

[00:27:11] of the barrier to the spirit world.

[00:27:13] And there are definitely Wiccans who say during an eclipse, the cosmic alignment is not just

[00:27:20] spectacle.

[00:27:20] It's a bridge.

[00:27:21] This alignment makes it easier to connect with deity spirits and universal energies, offering

[00:27:26] clarity, guidance and sense of unity.

[00:27:27] So as usual, this show has been doing its research.

[00:27:33] They also, by the way, so in order to evoke the spirits, Agatha says maiden mother crone

[00:27:40] spirits be known and maiden mother crone could be a reference to Hecate, who is a Greek goddess

[00:27:48] who's like considered the mother of witches in Greek mythology, but then thus like in wider

[00:27:54] folklore.

[00:27:55] And she was, she is of course also a character in Marvel comics because every, everyone from

[00:28:01] folklore is a character in Marvel.

[00:28:03] But the interesting thing is she's not a, she's more of a focal or major character in DC

[00:28:09] comics and the wonder woman, you know, Pantheon hierarchy and stories that she is in Marvel comics.

[00:28:18] So it's interesting that they would.

[00:28:20] But she does appear in the witches road.

[00:28:24] Yes.

[00:28:24] Yes.

[00:28:24] That's like this series is largely based on.

[00:28:27] So that's why I think it, that could be a reference to her, but it just is also a broader

[00:28:33] reference.

[00:28:34] And yeah, I should have known it was Agatha's trial when I pointed out the purple leaves last

[00:28:38] week, but I thought Agatha's would be the last trial, but they are subverting expectations.

[00:28:43] Yes, they are.

[00:28:44] Yes, they are.

[00:28:50] So speaking of subverting expectations, future editor Alicia here checking back in just because

[00:28:56] Sean and I have been talking about something the past couple of days that I felt like I,

[00:29:01] you know, have the chance to bring it up.

[00:29:03] So here we go.

[00:29:04] Um, which is his niece brought up to him the idea that this might not have been Agatha's

[00:29:11] trial, that it might've been teen's trial.

[00:29:13] Um, I have also heard people speculate that it was Rio's trial.

[00:29:17] And for me at first, I was like, nah, that I think it's Agatha's because of her family.

[00:29:25] Um, you know, because it's about her family, it's about what's happening to her.

[00:29:30] But, um, as Sean and I continue to talk about it, I was thinking that, well, actually what

[00:29:36] we saw is that after each member of the coven, and yes, I'm calling teen or Wiccan a member

[00:29:43] of the coven, after each member of the coven went through their trial, they had access to

[00:29:47] their powers.

[00:29:48] So maybe that would explain unlocking his powers.

[00:29:51] However, definitely far from settled on it.

[00:29:54] And let's get back to me talking about why I think it's Agatha's trial.

[00:30:02] Yeah.

[00:30:03] And so her elements, you know, she's not earth, air, fire, water.

[00:30:07] Her element is spirit, which is the fifth element in many Wiccan practices.

[00:30:12] So like you might know that pentagrams or five pointed star are often associated with

[00:30:17] witchcraft and there's a, there's a five elements there.

[00:30:21] And yeah, I just wanted to just to back this up, dissect the second verse of the chant version

[00:30:30] of the song.

[00:30:32] So we're just going to listen to it real quick.

[00:30:35] Marching ever forward, neath the wood is shrunk.

[00:30:44] I stray not from the path, I hold death's hand in moth.

[00:30:52] Primal night, give it sight familiar by thy side.

[00:31:00] If one be gone, we carry on spirit as our guide.

[00:31:09] So it's especially the last part that I was interested in.

[00:31:12] If one be gone, we carry on spirit by our side.

[00:31:16] As our guide.

[00:31:17] Spirit as our guide.

[00:31:19] Yes.

[00:31:20] So I think that's referring to Agatha.

[00:31:23] She's the guide on this.

[00:31:26] On this.

[00:31:27] Yeah.

[00:31:27] Trips through the road.

[00:31:28] On this tour.

[00:31:29] Uh-huh.

[00:31:30] Is she really a guide?

[00:31:33] Has she been on this tour before?

[00:31:35] Has she?

[00:31:36] I mean, there are people who doubt it, but she does seem to know the rules better than anyone

[00:31:42] else except teen who seems to oddly know them best.

[00:31:45] Yes, indeed.

[00:31:46] Hmm.

[00:31:48] Hmm.

[00:31:49] Um, I love the word word changes again.

[00:31:51] We get the amulets incorporated into their clothing.

[00:31:55] So just like sometimes it's in the stitching details on what they're wearing or a hair clip.

[00:31:59] So I love how they're playing with that.

[00:32:01] Um, I thought it was funny.

[00:32:02] Why is Patti LuPone the only one dressed as a mom?

[00:32:06] They're like mostly women over 40.

[00:32:09] Why is she the only one dressed like a mom?

[00:32:11] Yeah.

[00:32:12] He's got the mom cut.

[00:32:14] And it seems teen lost his spell book on the broom.

[00:32:19] Yeah.

[00:32:21] What does that mean?

[00:32:22] I don't know.

[00:32:24] I wonder if it's going to turn up in a random way or I don't know.

[00:32:27] They've called so much attention to that spell book.

[00:32:29] They have.

[00:32:30] They have.

[00:32:31] Is it a spell book?

[00:32:33] Yeah.

[00:32:33] What kind of book is it?

[00:32:35] Hmm.

[00:32:36] Well, yeah, they did use it to being easy is never green Rio into the picture.

[00:32:43] Yes, they did.

[00:32:44] Being green is never easy.

[00:32:45] Wait, it isn't easy being green.

[00:32:48] How's it go again?

[00:32:49] It isn't easy being green.

[00:32:51] Being green.

[00:32:51] Yeah.

[00:32:51] Okay.

[00:32:53] I mean, you know, we've talked about that book for a long time.

[00:32:57] Mm hmm.

[00:32:58] Yeah.

[00:32:59] So what did you you like the vibes of this one?

[00:33:02] Are you a fan of like Poltergeist, Exorcist, The Craft?

[00:33:05] You know, I didn't I didn't get that vibe.

[00:33:08] I got the vibe of like Friday the 13th.

[00:33:10] Oh, yeah.

[00:33:11] That too.

[00:33:12] That's what I got.

[00:33:13] I felt like, you know, I'm waiting for Jason to come through the door, you know, with a machete

[00:33:18] or something like that.

[00:33:20] But so, yeah, I got that, you know, 80s camp.

[00:33:28] Yeah.

[00:33:29] Horror film vibe.

[00:33:31] So I thought it was cool.

[00:33:32] I thought it was apropos for what the series is doing and very much on on brand.

[00:33:40] Yeah.

[00:33:41] Yeah.

[00:33:42] I thought that they did a really good job just like nailing the overall kind of genre and

[00:33:46] weaving a bunch of things together.

[00:33:47] You know, like I talked about the craft gets the name check and plus it's a sleepover.

[00:33:52] Plus the sequel, a Ouija board is really important in the sequel to The Craft.

[00:33:57] By the way, that's one of the Spooktober specials will be on the Wall Shift Us feed this week.

[00:34:03] So if you want to revisit The Craft.

[00:34:06] Jean, did you guy in your friends, did you ever do like Ouija board or light as a feather

[00:34:12] as a board stuff?

[00:34:13] My wonderful, better half.

[00:34:17] We were watching it and afterwards she said, did you Ouija when you were a kid?

[00:34:23] And I'm like, nope, I'm from Brooklyn.

[00:34:25] We don't do that.

[00:34:26] We didn't do no Ouijis.

[00:34:27] This is like, that's purely a Midwestern suburban thing.

[00:34:30] I know you Ouija'd.

[00:34:32] I'm not from the Midwest.

[00:34:33] Well, you're from outside of Philly.

[00:34:37] I am from the suburbs.

[00:34:38] Okay.

[00:34:38] All right.

[00:34:38] There you go.

[00:34:39] So it's purely, it wasn't a thing that we did.

[00:34:42] So I didn't Ouija when I was a kid.

[00:34:44] Nah.

[00:34:45] Never did that.

[00:34:46] I don't know.

[00:34:47] I feel like, or maybe it was, well, no, there were boys who did it with us too.

[00:34:52] I don't know.

[00:34:54] None of my, I will poll my friends to see who Ouija'd amongst my group, my cohort.

[00:35:02] Okay.

[00:35:02] And I don't know if anybody has Ouija'd.

[00:35:05] Okay.

[00:35:05] Okay.

[00:35:06] Yeah.

[00:35:07] Like we're, you know, BK kids, you know what I mean?

[00:35:10] So I don't, I don't think we did that.

[00:35:12] Yeah.

[00:35:12] I grew up in an area that were like ghost stories and stuff were big, very prominent.

[00:35:17] You know, very.

[00:35:18] Nah, we didn't have ghost stories.

[00:35:19] We had crackhead stories.

[00:35:20] We didn't have ghost stories.

[00:35:22] You didn't need to make up things to scare you.

[00:35:26] Ah, man.

[00:35:28] So yeah.

[00:35:29] We didn't, we didn't Ouija.

[00:35:30] I didn't Ouija.

[00:35:31] But we watched all those movies though.

[00:35:33] You know what I mean?

[00:35:34] Right.

[00:35:34] Like I can remember watching those movies on VHS.

[00:35:38] My gosh.

[00:35:39] When I was, shouldn't have been able to watch them because I was so young, you know, these

[00:35:45] were not meant for me, but we watched them, you know, and it's just a lot of those

[00:35:51] things that they, you know, reference.

[00:35:54] I only watched them later on in life.

[00:35:58] Like I didn't get to see those things in theaters properly.

[00:36:02] You know?

[00:36:03] No.

[00:36:03] I mean, you know, I was too young for the, they're referencing a lot of, especially like

[00:36:08] seventies, eighties movies.

[00:36:09] Um, but I did as a kid, I also watched scary horror movies a lot as a, probably the too young

[00:36:16] of age.

[00:36:17] And I loved the exorcist series.

[00:36:19] Like I especially would watch, or only the first three were out then, I guess.

[00:36:24] Um, so yeah, that was fun.

[00:36:26] We saw the possession in this episode.

[00:36:28] We saw that upside down crab walk, which comes from the longer cut.

[00:36:32] Yeah.

[00:36:32] That was great.

[00:36:33] That was like evil dead.

[00:36:35] Yeah.

[00:36:35] Awesome.

[00:36:36] And I also, I watched the poltergeist just like, just a few days ago really, because

[00:36:41] it is the topic of the lore hound spooked over a special.

[00:36:45] So yeah, I noticed there's the static TV in the background, but also like just the fact

[00:36:51] that Agatha is on the ceiling.

[00:36:52] There's a psychotic moment from the end where somebody goes on the ceiling like that.

[00:36:57] So yeah, it was definitely, it was capturing all those vibes.

[00:37:00] It was nailing it.

[00:37:01] Yeah, it was, it was good stuff, man.

[00:37:03] It was, like I said, this, the show is doing everything that it needs to do and it's hitting

[00:37:11] all the right notes.

[00:37:13] I don't think there's something that I've watched that I've reflected on.

[00:37:19] And I said to myself, oh no, they shouldn't have done that.

[00:37:23] Oh no, that doesn't fit with the vibe.

[00:37:25] Right.

[00:37:26] There's nothing like that for me so far.

[00:37:28] Uh, I would love to hear if anybody has that experience with anything in these episodes,

[00:37:36] because that would be fascinating for me to try to, you know, make sense of.

[00:37:41] But I just haven't gotten that from, from this, from this series.

[00:37:45] I think everything that they're doing is spot on.

[00:37:47] Yeah.

[00:37:48] Yeah.

[00:37:50] Yeah.

[00:37:50] Yeah.

[00:37:50] Yeah.

[00:37:50] And they, they nailed the whole Ouija experience.

[00:37:52] So the Ouija board bites, by the way, if you pause and look at it, it was labeled Salem,

[00:37:57] Massachusetts.

[00:37:57] So that was kind of a warning right away about what was going to like come out of this trial.

[00:38:01] Um, but then before they get started, we get, uh, teen.

[00:38:08] He reads out the rules.

[00:38:10] Number one, do not use the Ouija board alone.

[00:38:13] Number two, do not speak over each other.

[00:38:16] That is not written in there.

[00:38:18] Show me that.

[00:38:18] Three, do not taunt the spirits.

[00:38:22] What?

[00:38:23] I repeat, do not taunt the spirits.

[00:38:27] Four, do not ask about death.

[00:38:30] Five, always end your session with goodbye.

[00:38:33] Six, do not under any circumstances remove your hand from the planchette.

[00:38:38] If you do so, a spirit will be released.

[00:38:45] And then we get Agatha, uh, starts it up, but she pretends to be Sharon, um, which, and

[00:38:52] then Rios calls her out and says that she's scared.

[00:38:55] Did you, were you fooled by her pretending?

[00:38:58] I was not.

[00:38:59] No.

[00:38:59] I was not.

[00:39:00] And I was not happy.

[00:39:02] You know, don't, don't, don't be smirk Sharon that way.

[00:39:06] Yeah.

[00:39:06] No.

[00:39:07] First of all, Sharon would not put Mrs. Hart on the board.

[00:39:11] She would say Sharon Davis.

[00:39:13] This is constantly correcting them.

[00:39:16] But did you know that the entire internet is obsessed with the idea that instead of Mrs.

[00:39:21] Hart, it said Mr.

[00:39:22] Shart.

[00:39:22] Ha ha.

[00:39:23] Ha ha.

[00:39:25] I did not.

[00:39:31] Oh, that's a good one.

[00:39:32] That's a good one.

[00:39:33] No, I didn't know that.

[00:39:34] Ha ha.

[00:39:36] Ha ha.

[00:39:37] Ha ha.

[00:39:37] Ha ha.

[00:39:38] Ha ha.

[00:39:38] But then, uh, Agatha, yeah, she played possessed.

[00:39:41] Well, don't play possessed lest you become possessed.

[00:39:45] Yeah, there you go.

[00:39:46] Do you want to set up the next part of the scene?

[00:39:48] Yeah.

[00:39:50] So let's continue with Evil Incarnate.

[00:39:53] The group returns to the Ouija board and makes contact with the ghost of Agatha's mother,

[00:39:59] Yvnora, who calls herself deaf to Rios' amusement.

[00:40:03] Yvnora wants her daughter punished, saying she was born evil and possessing her.

[00:40:09] Alice uses her powers to expel her from Agatha, who proceeds to absorb Alice's magic.

[00:40:17] Teen, noticing another spirit's presence, tries to stop Agatha by shouting its name, Agatha's

[00:40:25] son, Nicholas Scratch.

[00:40:27] Agatha stops, but Alice dies.

[00:40:31] Yeah, that was a whole roller coaster that went on there.

[00:40:36] Yeah, that was tough.

[00:40:38] Yeah.

[00:40:39] It starts light with the whole, so, yeah, the spirit calls herself death, which she's not.

[00:40:46] She's Yvnora Harkness.

[00:40:49] And Rio laughs.

[00:40:51] And Teen says, we're not supposed to talk about death.

[00:40:53] And I looked, I just happened to look at, like, what was the, out of those rules that

[00:40:57] he read out?

[00:40:58] Which rule was that?

[00:40:59] And that was rule number four, which is interesting because in East Asian superstition, four is

[00:41:05] associated with death because apparently it sounds similar in Chinese to that word.

[00:41:09] Oh, wow.

[00:41:10] Okay.

[00:41:11] So I wonder if they did that on purpose.

[00:41:14] They must have, right?

[00:41:14] They had to.

[00:41:15] They had to have done that on purpose.

[00:41:17] And then we get this brutal confrontation with Agatha and her mother, which, of course,

[00:41:25] Agatha has to, like, be jokesy about it first.

[00:41:28] Who?

[00:41:28] Who are you?

[00:41:29] Oh, Evanora Harkness of the Salemites.

[00:41:36] Hey, Mom.

[00:41:38] It was nice having you in my body for a second there.

[00:41:43] I've never felt so close to you before.

[00:41:48] My coven risked everything to kill her.

[00:41:52] And you fools have willingly joined her.

[00:41:55] Stop embarrassing me in front of my friends, Mom.

[00:42:00] So are you team Agatha or team Evanora?

[00:42:04] Neither one.

[00:42:06] I think they're both, like, I think having a mom who despises you from the minute that

[00:42:15] you were born can't help but shape your outlook on life and the world.

[00:42:23] So people talk about whether it's nature or nurture, right?

[00:42:28] And for Agatha, I want to say it's nature, right?

[00:42:35] That she's inclined.

[00:42:36] She's born to be this way.

[00:42:39] But is she really?

[00:42:41] Because listening to her mom, I can only imagine what she went through as a child, as an adult,

[00:42:50] growing with someone who clearly is, you know, hopefully loves you like no one else can ever,

[00:43:01] just simply hates you.

[00:43:03] Hates your very existence.

[00:43:05] What does that do to a person?

[00:43:08] Yeah.

[00:43:09] How does that shape their world?

[00:43:11] So while I'm not team Agatha, I can understand Agatha's entire outlook on life,

[00:43:21] on the world of power and what it means to wield it and why I need to wield it.

[00:43:29] Mm-hmm.

[00:43:30] It's understandable.

[00:43:32] Yeah.

[00:43:34] Because for that to be your mom, goodness gracious.

[00:43:41] Yeah.

[00:43:41] Yeah.

[00:43:42] Yeah.

[00:43:42] So just take a moment to listen to the born evil clip that you referenced.

[00:43:49] Mom, why do you hate me still?

[00:43:53] You were born evil.

[00:43:58] I ought to have killed you the moment you left my body.

[00:44:03] That's tough.

[00:44:04] Yeah.

[00:44:05] Everyone looks like they feel sorry for her, even Jennifer at that moment.

[00:44:09] But, okay, so recently I was reading Thanos Rising, which is a 2013 miniseries of five issues.

[00:44:19] And I noticed that's actually a part of his story arc, that his mom wanted to kill him when he was born.

[00:44:24] Yes.

[00:44:25] And what did he do to his mom?

[00:44:28] Well, I mean, what did Agatha do to her mom?

[00:44:30] Exactly.

[00:44:31] That's my point, right?

[00:44:32] That's exactly my point.

[00:44:33] Yeah.

[00:44:34] But is it like, did they become what they would become because of that or not?

[00:44:41] You know?

[00:44:42] I also have to think about on the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast, Marilyn and I were talking about these myths of the old republic.

[00:44:50] And one of them is about a Sith who he basically became a Sith because his mom thought that there was something wrong with him ever since he was born.

[00:45:01] And so as soon as a Sith came along, she gave him away.

[00:45:04] Yeah, that seems like a parallel story too.

[00:45:06] Like, does your child become this thing because you assume that they will?

[00:45:13] Nature or nurture.

[00:45:14] Yeah.

[00:45:16] So Rio is adamant against leaving Agatha with Evanora.

[00:45:21] Do you think it's because she wants to protect Agatha?

[00:45:24] Or do you think it's because she wants to take Agatha out herself?

[00:45:27] I felt in that moment she wanted to protect her.

[00:45:30] Hmm.

[00:45:30] Because she defended her before too.

[00:45:32] She's like, not you, lady.

[00:45:34] Yeah.

[00:45:35] I felt in that moment she knows the history.

[00:45:38] And in that moment I think she wanted to protect Agatha.

[00:45:41] Yeah.

[00:45:43] Hmm.

[00:45:43] There's a shared history here between the two of them.

[00:45:47] Yep.

[00:45:47] That they know what each other has gone through.

[00:45:53] And her knowing that in that moment, you know, it's like, yeah, no, you're not, you're not going to do this.

[00:46:00] I may want to kill her, but I'm not going to watch you harm her.

[00:46:04] Right.

[00:46:05] Yeah.

[00:46:06] Yeah.

[00:46:06] Yeah.

[00:46:07] But then Agatha shows her true colors again or what?

[00:46:11] When Alice, Alice, you know, Alice seems surprised when she's able to do this orange magic.

[00:46:17] But she manages to push Agatha out of her, but then she has blasted her.

[00:46:23] And that means that Agatha just like starts kind of hungrily eating it up.

[00:46:29] It seems like in like, it's almost like when you hear about a vampire tale, you know, with a vampire just can't stop drinking.

[00:46:37] That's what it looks like to me.

[00:46:40] Yeah.

[00:46:40] My, you know, my wife was crushed by this scene.

[00:46:45] Hmm.

[00:46:45] Alice was her favorite character.

[00:46:49] And although I did not see it coming, I expected somebody to, to, I didn't expect all of them to make it to the end of the series.

[00:46:58] Mm hmm.

[00:46:59] Um, but I will say there is hope.

[00:47:02] We are keeping hope alive.

[00:47:04] We're keeping hope alive for Sharon.

[00:47:06] Yes.

[00:47:07] And we're going to keep hope alive for Alice.

[00:47:09] We're going to keep some hope alive around here because this podcast is about the positivity.

[00:47:15] Well, I would just like to point out one thing.

[00:47:19] Um, so these are Alice's own words.

[00:47:22] Alice singing this last episode.

[00:47:38] She keeps singing.

[00:47:40] I'll see you at the end.

[00:47:41] Over and over and over.

[00:47:43] So.

[00:47:44] I'm keeping my hope alive.

[00:47:46] Keep hope alive.

[00:47:47] Keep hope alive, people.

[00:47:50] Um, but what actually, you know, I think Agatha did get her punishment.

[00:47:55] And what actually punished her was.

[00:47:59] Head.

[00:48:00] I.

[00:48:01] C.

[00:48:02] H.

[00:48:03] L.

[00:48:03] A.

[00:48:04] S.

[00:48:04] S.

[00:48:05] C.

[00:48:05] R.

[00:48:05] A.

[00:48:06] T.

[00:48:06] C.

[00:48:07] H.

[00:48:09] Nicholas Gresh.

[00:48:12] Nicholas Gresh!

[00:48:21] So my interpretation is that the punishment was reminding Agatha of what happened with her son, but, and then team put the planchette on goodbye, which is the instruction.

[00:48:31] But, um, what do you think?

[00:48:33] I, I'm inclined to agree with you on, on that part.

[00:48:39] Like she, in that moment, she remembered what happened and, um, whatever transpired, cause we don't know whether she gave up her son or her son was taken from her for some reason.

[00:48:52] Um, that's another thing that's obviously had its impact on, on who she is as a person, which again calls back to what I'm asking myself throughout the end of this episode, nature or nurture.

[00:49:09] Mm-hmm.

[00:49:09] And something that I thought of as I was watching her drain Alice, is this like her mutant power?

[00:49:20] Oh.

[00:49:21] Hmm.

[00:49:23] Or is she an inhuman?

[00:49:25] Kidding, they're never going to speak in humans back.

[00:49:27] Let's not even go there.

[00:49:28] Let's not even go there.

[00:49:29] But, because not every, not every witch can do this.

[00:49:33] Mm-hmm.

[00:49:34] Right?

[00:49:35] Right.

[00:49:36] Not every witch can do this.

[00:49:37] Is this something that she learned how to do?

[00:49:40] Is this something that, because her mother said, you know, since she was, the minute she was born, is this something that's, that is her nature?

[00:49:50] Hmm.

[00:50:00] Mm-hmm.

[00:50:21] Yeah.

[00:50:21] the truth, but then she doesn't want to be,

[00:50:23] she's been attacked her whole life and hated.

[00:50:25] And so she just puts on this bravado that she, you know,

[00:50:29] so as when she sees it's going wrong,

[00:50:32] then she starts the wicked laughing.

[00:50:34] And maybe there is also, there is a desire for power.

[00:50:37] Of course they all admit to a desire for power, except for teen.

[00:50:40] And I guess Alice RIP.

[00:50:44] But I think that she is more vulnerable than she lets on.

[00:50:49] And Ryo sees that, but none of the others around her now do.

[00:50:53] I mean, there's no reason for them to see her vulnerability,

[00:50:59] you know, because they've all heard

[00:51:03] and taken to heart the stories about her, right?

[00:51:06] About who she is, what she is,

[00:51:09] which got me thinking, like, who's her father?

[00:51:13] Hmm.

[00:51:14] How, you know, because we, we,

[00:51:16] we speculate about Mephisto's role with Scarlet.

[00:51:21] Does he have a role with Agatha?

[00:51:25] Yeah.

[00:51:26] Maybe hence why her,

[00:51:27] her mother says you were evil from birth.

[00:51:33] What makes her evil from birth?

[00:51:36] Right.

[00:51:37] I wonder if we'll find out that her father was just like

[00:51:41] some ordinary man, but a bastard.

[00:51:44] Jerk.

[00:51:45] Maybe, maybe.

[00:51:48] Or maybe he's, you know,

[00:51:51] not an ordinary man at all.

[00:51:53] Mm-hmm.

[00:51:54] Could be, could be.

[00:51:55] Or maybe it was magic.

[00:51:59] I don't know.

[00:52:00] I'm just throwing these things out.

[00:52:01] Maybe Wiggins her father.

[00:52:02] I'm kidding.

[00:52:03] I know.

[00:52:04] And I won't go that far.

[00:52:05] But, you know, it's just,

[00:52:07] I'm really interested in knowing

[00:52:10] more about the genesis of her abilities.

[00:52:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:52:15] How they came to be.

[00:52:17] Yeah.

[00:52:18] Yep.

[00:52:19] Absolutely.

[00:52:21] All right.

[00:52:21] Do you want to set up the last scene?

[00:52:23] Yeah.

[00:52:24] Wiccan unleashed.

[00:52:26] Agatha insists killing Alice was an accident,

[00:52:30] but Teen is angry,

[00:52:31] especially when Lillia and Jen affirm

[00:52:33] that their goals are the same as Agatha's.

[00:52:36] When Agatha mocks Teen,

[00:52:38] telling him he's just like his mother,

[00:52:41] Teen magically forces Lillia and Jen

[00:52:43] into tossing Agatha into a mud trap,

[00:52:47] quicksand, if you will, for David,

[00:52:50] before blasting them in as well,

[00:52:53] as the witches sing,

[00:52:55] a crown similar to one Wanda Scarlet witch

[00:52:59] used to wear,

[00:53:01] peers on Teen's fin.

[00:53:05] You should see me in a crown.

[00:53:11] Do you have that one teed up?

[00:53:13] What's going on?

[00:53:16] Ladies and gents who can't see us,

[00:53:18] I have a Scarlet witch crown

[00:53:20] that I just pulled out.

[00:53:22] But no,

[00:53:23] that was such a perfect needle drop

[00:53:25] with a Billie Eilish song.

[00:53:28] The lyrics are pretty on point,

[00:53:30] like,

[00:53:30] watch me make them bow one by one by one.

[00:53:34] Yeah.

[00:53:35] Anyway,

[00:53:35] I recommend reading the lyrics

[00:53:37] to anyone who's not familiar with the song,

[00:53:38] but it was,

[00:53:39] they've had some great,

[00:53:40] like,

[00:53:41] because they're pulling from my music,

[00:53:42] like we got the yeah,

[00:53:43] yeah,

[00:53:43] yes,

[00:53:44] we've got Billie Eilish now.

[00:53:46] Rock style,

[00:53:47] very rock leaning soundtrack.

[00:53:49] I'm,

[00:53:50] I'm happy.

[00:53:51] Yeah.

[00:53:51] I'm not a Billie Eilish fan,

[00:53:53] but yeah,

[00:53:54] yeah,

[00:53:54] yeah.

[00:53:55] It's all day and night.

[00:53:56] Okay.

[00:53:58] So what do you think?

[00:53:59] So we saw in this last scene,

[00:54:01] Agatha,

[00:54:02] she found like this orange magic in her palm

[00:54:06] and watched it like fizzle out in her hand.

[00:54:09] Do you think it's not working for her properly?

[00:54:12] Because first of all,

[00:54:13] why is it orange?

[00:54:14] And second of all,

[00:54:15] it seems,

[00:54:16] I don't know if she like snuffed it out oddly

[00:54:18] or if it wasn't working the way she wanted it to.

[00:54:21] I don't know.

[00:54:22] Because it's not her purple.

[00:54:23] Yeah.

[00:54:24] I was confused by that.

[00:54:25] Like what power set that is.

[00:54:28] Yeah.

[00:54:29] Is it something that she got from Alice,

[00:54:31] you know,

[00:54:32] because of her draining Alice?

[00:54:35] I don't know.

[00:54:37] Hmm.

[00:54:38] Well,

[00:54:39] and then this,

[00:54:39] of course,

[00:54:40] this,

[00:54:40] this,

[00:54:41] uh,

[00:54:41] killing of Alice pissed off teen,

[00:54:44] obviously,

[00:54:44] rightfully.

[00:54:45] And this happens.

[00:54:47] How could you,

[00:54:48] how could you kill her?

[00:54:50] I couldn't,

[00:54:51] I couldn't control it.

[00:54:52] Yes,

[00:54:53] you could have.

[00:54:54] Don't lie to me.

[00:54:56] I'm not.

[00:54:57] You wanted her power.

[00:55:00] That's what this has always been about for you,

[00:55:01] isn't it?

[00:55:03] Of course it is.

[00:55:05] That's what all of this is about.

[00:55:07] Jennifer.

[00:55:08] For any of us.

[00:55:13] Death.

[00:55:15] Comes for us all.

[00:55:19] So that's what it means to be a witch.

[00:55:22] No.

[00:55:22] Killing people to serve your own agenda.

[00:55:25] No.

[00:55:27] Not for me.

[00:55:33] I'm inclined to believe her tone of voice when she says she couldn't control it and that she's not lying.

[00:55:39] And then it's kind of,

[00:55:40] it was Jen who came in with the snark who,

[00:55:43] you know,

[00:55:44] changed the tone of it.

[00:55:46] Yeah.

[00:55:46] I'm,

[00:55:47] again,

[00:55:48] I,

[00:55:49] I'm,

[00:55:49] this is a testament to her character work here.

[00:55:55] Catherine Hahn.

[00:55:56] That I'm not sure.

[00:55:58] Because at points,

[00:56:00] I'm,

[00:56:01] I'm of the mind that she is bullshitting everybody and putting on this facade of evil,

[00:56:09] tough,

[00:56:09] you know,

[00:56:10] murderers.

[00:56:12] Um,

[00:56:13] just to keep people at bay,

[00:56:15] to scare them off,

[00:56:16] scare them away.

[00:56:18] But then,

[00:56:19] I'm also of the mind,

[00:56:22] like,

[00:56:22] maybe she can't control.

[00:56:28] she's never learned how to control.

[00:56:31] She's trying to learn how to control or was trying to learn how to control.

[00:56:36] Maybe using the,

[00:56:36] the book was a way for her to try to control her own wayward magic in a way she thought that Wanda's magic was wayward.

[00:56:47] Um,

[00:56:50] but I still haven't decided on which side of the fence that I fall on.

[00:56:55] Hmm.

[00:56:57] Yeah.

[00:56:58] I'm like 50,

[00:56:59] 50 with her.

[00:57:01] Mm.

[00:57:01] Hmm.

[00:57:02] Yeah.

[00:57:02] I mean,

[00:57:02] I think,

[00:57:04] yeah,

[00:57:04] I already said what I think.

[00:57:05] Um,

[00:57:06] I,

[00:57:06] I am happy that we're at this like questioning breaking point middle in the series,

[00:57:12] because again,

[00:57:13] we have four more episodes,

[00:57:15] uh,

[00:57:16] to see where things go for here.

[00:57:18] Yeah.

[00:57:19] Mm.

[00:57:20] And we're already being asked,

[00:57:22] like,

[00:57:22] I feel like in a lot of Marvel shows,

[00:57:24] this would be the penultimate episode.

[00:57:26] And we'd be like,

[00:57:26] how are they going to finish it?

[00:57:27] But no,

[00:57:27] it's like,

[00:57:28] Oh,

[00:57:29] there's still a lot left,

[00:57:31] even though all the episodes too short,

[00:57:33] of course.

[00:57:33] Um,

[00:57:34] but so it's like,

[00:57:35] where are they going to take us?

[00:57:36] Like,

[00:57:36] I am so excited for every week.

[00:57:39] What is going to be.

[00:57:41] Yeah.

[00:57:41] The next surprise,

[00:57:42] uh,

[00:57:43] setting and.

[00:57:45] Yeah.

[00:57:45] I think it's,

[00:57:46] um,

[00:57:46] again,

[00:57:47] I'm just really,

[00:57:49] really trying to,

[00:57:52] to figure out what her game is.

[00:57:55] Because I,

[00:57:56] like you said,

[00:57:57] everybody,

[00:57:57] they all want power,

[00:57:58] but to what end?

[00:58:00] That's,

[00:58:01] that's my question.

[00:58:02] Yeah.

[00:58:03] Okay.

[00:58:04] Um,

[00:58:05] so did you notice by the way that teen,

[00:58:08] once he got his magic,

[00:58:09] I feel,

[00:58:09] I don't know.

[00:58:10] I'm like,

[00:58:10] should I start calling him Billy?

[00:58:12] Yes.

[00:58:12] Let's call him Billy Wiccan.

[00:58:13] We don't need to use teen anymore.

[00:58:15] All right.

[00:58:15] All right.

[00:58:16] At least for,

[00:58:16] for iPod.

[00:58:17] I mean,

[00:58:18] other people may not believe it.

[00:58:21] And,

[00:58:21] but.

[00:58:22] I mean,

[00:58:23] the fact that they made his crown look so much like Scarlet Witches.

[00:58:26] And then also the way he was using his magic.

[00:58:31] Yeah.

[00:58:31] He was doing the wiggly fingers and he was doing the mind control like she did,

[00:58:35] but it's not the color of her magic.

[00:58:36] It's the color of the energy.

[00:58:39] Scepter from the.

[00:58:40] From Loki.

[00:58:41] Yeah.

[00:58:42] Yes.

[00:58:42] So it's basically these,

[00:58:45] it seems like.

[00:58:46] Yeah.

[00:58:47] It seems like some combination of those two things,

[00:58:49] but definitely he was using magic.

[00:58:51] Like who we assume Agatha was calling his mother.

[00:58:54] But I think,

[00:58:56] am I wrong to,

[00:58:57] to say that they use the stone to.

[00:59:03] Get Agatha powers and Quicksilver as well.

[00:59:07] Wasn't that what they were doing?

[00:59:09] Oh,

[00:59:10] you mean Scarlet Witch?

[00:59:11] Yeah.

[00:59:13] Wanda's power.

[00:59:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:59:15] Yeah.

[00:59:15] It was activated via the stone.

[00:59:17] It was the mind stone.

[00:59:18] Right.

[00:59:18] The mind stone.

[00:59:19] Yeah.

[00:59:19] So.

[00:59:20] Not the.

[00:59:20] Makes sense.

[00:59:21] Loki's scepter was the space stone,

[00:59:23] right?

[00:59:24] Was it?

[00:59:25] No.

[00:59:25] From the Tesseract?

[00:59:27] From the Tesseract.

[00:59:28] Wasn't it the mind stone?

[00:59:30] Because he used it to control.

[00:59:32] Yeah.

[00:59:32] He used it to.

[00:59:33] When you remember when they were on the helicarrier?

[00:59:35] Okay.

[00:59:37] And he.

[00:59:38] Yeah.

[00:59:38] He was definitely using it to mind control people for sure.

[00:59:41] I thought that was the mind stone.

[00:59:42] I didn't think it was.

[00:59:44] Maybe I'm.

[00:59:45] Oh,

[00:59:45] you're right.

[00:59:45] It's the mind stone.

[00:59:46] You're right.

[00:59:47] You're right.

[00:59:47] It was just.

[00:59:48] But it was blue.

[00:59:49] Right.

[00:59:50] Because.

[00:59:50] It was blue in the scepter.

[00:59:52] And then suddenly they revealed it and they're like,

[00:59:54] surprise,

[00:59:54] it's yellow.

[00:59:55] So.

[00:59:55] And then,

[00:59:56] you know,

[00:59:57] for Wanda,

[00:59:58] her proximity to chaos magic,

[01:00:02] you know,

[01:00:03] to Mephisto,

[01:00:05] to the book,

[01:00:07] maybe change that dynamic.

[01:00:11] where he hasn't had that exposure.

[01:00:16] Yeah.

[01:00:17] Well,

[01:00:17] I mean,

[01:00:18] so the question is,

[01:00:19] if is,

[01:00:20] so if this is a reincarnated Billy,

[01:00:24] we'll say his last name's probably Kaplan instead of Maximoff,

[01:00:27] because.

[01:00:28] Yes.

[01:00:28] I mean,

[01:00:29] we don't know for sure that this is how it is,

[01:00:31] but so far they have not contradicted anything in the comics,

[01:00:34] which is that when she,

[01:00:38] when the soul of her quote unquote,

[01:00:40] fake children were dispersed,

[01:00:42] they ended up.

[01:00:44] We are through mysterious events.

[01:00:47] It's hard to explain because the comics don't even fully explain it,

[01:00:52] but through mysterious events,

[01:00:53] they ended up going into these older boys bodies,

[01:00:58] actually.

[01:00:58] So they're,

[01:01:00] they're aged up from where they were when they disappeared in the comics and in

[01:01:04] Wanda vision.

[01:01:06] And there were people who were raised by their families,

[01:01:08] but they also,

[01:01:09] they have their,

[01:01:10] her son's souls in them too.

[01:01:13] Did I explain that poorly?

[01:01:14] Can you do better?

[01:01:15] No,

[01:01:15] no,

[01:01:15] no.

[01:01:16] You explained it well.

[01:01:17] So again,

[01:01:18] that's,

[01:01:18] that's my question,

[01:01:19] right?

[01:01:20] Where does his power come from?

[01:01:22] But if,

[01:01:24] yeah,

[01:01:24] she created her quote unquote fake kids with the mind stone,

[01:01:27] right?

[01:01:27] With the energy of the mind stone that lives in her.

[01:01:30] So it makes sense that his,

[01:01:32] the color of his magic would not match what we last saw from one.

[01:01:37] Right.

[01:01:38] But it's doesn't match.

[01:01:39] Yeah.

[01:01:39] It's just,

[01:01:40] they threw me by making the mind stone yellow.

[01:01:43] Okay.

[01:01:43] After it being blue at first,

[01:01:45] but anyway,

[01:01:45] yeah.

[01:01:47] Okay.

[01:01:48] Well,

[01:01:48] let's get into the,

[01:01:50] some character clues and,

[01:01:51] and just a little character through theorization after a quick break.

[01:02:08] Okay.

[01:02:09] Let's start with RIP Alice.

[01:02:12] I guess,

[01:02:13] you know,

[01:02:14] we should have worried when her journey was completed last week.

[01:02:18] I know,

[01:02:19] but I didn't,

[01:02:20] I didn't get a sense of,

[01:02:21] of worry.

[01:02:24] They gave me nothing to think that this was going to be her end.

[01:02:28] Hmm.

[01:02:29] You know,

[01:02:30] I feel like she,

[01:02:31] she got this big barrier,

[01:02:32] this big,

[01:02:33] you know,

[01:02:34] burden lifted off her shoulders.

[01:02:36] I'm like,

[01:02:36] okay,

[01:02:37] cool.

[01:02:38] Let's go.

[01:02:39] New Alice.

[01:02:40] You know what I'm saying?

[01:02:41] Then boom.

[01:02:41] No Alice.

[01:02:42] No.

[01:02:43] She was crying Alice this week.

[01:02:45] You know,

[01:02:46] she protected both teen and Agatha.

[01:02:47] And she was also one of the kinder ones in the whole punish Agatha discussion.

[01:02:53] Yeah.

[01:02:53] Um,

[01:02:54] and she seemed,

[01:02:55] so she unleashes when she instinctively goes to prove to cast Evanora out of Alice,

[01:03:01] uh,

[01:03:01] out of Agatha.

[01:03:02] Um,

[01:03:03] she just,

[01:03:05] she cast this orange or let's call it coral magic.

[01:03:10] Coral shore is a thing.

[01:03:11] It's her mom's rock band name.

[01:03:13] And it's a thing from the comics.

[01:03:14] Um,

[01:03:15] but yeah,

[01:03:15] so she unleashes this orange magic and she seems surprised by it.

[01:03:19] Don't you think?

[01:03:20] No,

[01:03:20] yeah,

[01:03:20] she was definitely,

[01:03:21] she didn't know she could do that.

[01:03:22] Yeah.

[01:03:22] She didn't know she could do that.

[01:03:24] So she went out on top,

[01:03:26] which feels unfair.

[01:03:28] Totally feels.

[01:03:29] And the thing is,

[01:03:30] you know,

[01:03:31] we got Jennifer who also completed her,

[01:03:36] her trial,

[01:03:37] but she's still around.

[01:03:38] So I didn't get a sense that,

[01:03:41] you know,

[01:03:42] completion of the trial means that that's it.

[01:03:45] Yeah.

[01:03:45] You're out.

[01:03:46] But Jennifer's completion didn't go as well as,

[01:03:49] uh,

[01:03:50] as Alice's did.

[01:03:51] Why do you say that?

[01:03:53] Because Sharon died for one.

[01:03:55] But with Sharon,

[01:03:57] you know,

[01:03:58] we're not going to talk about Sharon.

[01:04:01] It's not going to do that right now.

[01:04:03] You're not going to take me back down that path.

[01:04:06] No.

[01:04:07] Sorry.

[01:04:07] We're,

[01:04:07] we're,

[01:04:08] we're mourning Alice this week.

[01:04:09] Yeah.

[01:04:09] Yeah.

[01:04:10] Yeah.

[01:04:10] Yeah.

[01:04:10] Yeah.

[01:04:11] So,

[01:04:11] um,

[01:04:12] yeah,

[01:04:12] I just felt like I didn't,

[01:04:14] I didn't see it coming.

[01:04:15] That's what I'm saying.

[01:04:16] I didn't see it.

[01:04:17] Yeah.

[01:04:18] Yeah.

[01:04:19] I mean,

[01:04:20] and I guess,

[01:04:21] I mean,

[01:04:21] it just,

[01:04:22] she,

[01:04:22] she,

[01:04:22] things were going too well for her,

[01:04:24] for her.

[01:04:24] And that's,

[01:04:25] that is one you wanted to complain.

[01:04:27] I hate that trope.

[01:04:27] Why is it as,

[01:04:28] why can't people just do well?

[01:04:30] And,

[01:04:30] but as we said,

[01:04:32] see you at the end.

[01:04:33] I'll see you at the end.

[01:04:34] Yeah.

[01:04:34] Keep up alive.

[01:04:35] Keep up alive folks.

[01:04:36] She said so in her song.

[01:04:39] Um,

[01:04:40] yeah.

[01:04:40] Jen though,

[01:04:41] as I said,

[01:04:41] she was showing kind of like a cold streak this week.

[01:04:44] She's like,

[01:04:45] punish Agatha familiars.

[01:04:46] Don't get a vote.

[01:04:47] Although she does to her credit.

[01:04:50] Um,

[01:04:51] when Agatha is possessed and going after teen,

[01:04:54] Jen distracts him.

[01:04:55] She's like over here,

[01:04:56] which gets her choked.

[01:04:57] So that was one of the few times we see her do something selfless.

[01:05:01] I mean,

[01:05:02] but you know,

[01:05:03] her character was,

[01:05:04] was set up to be selfish.

[01:05:07] Yeah.

[01:05:07] All of them.

[01:05:08] She has people eating,

[01:05:09] she has people eating candle wax.

[01:05:12] I mean,

[01:05:13] come on.

[01:05:17] Yeah,

[01:05:18] no,

[01:05:18] I mean,

[01:05:19] she's,

[01:05:19] she's great.

[01:05:19] I think she's actually maybe my favorite in the coven,

[01:05:22] but also I came in with a bias.

[01:05:24] So.

[01:05:25] Okay.

[01:05:25] Fair enough.

[01:05:26] Fair enough.

[01:05:27] But yeah,

[01:05:28] Lilia,

[01:05:29] we find out she's,

[01:05:30] she's no angel either.

[01:05:31] She's been faking the talking to the dead thing in her shop.

[01:05:34] She's like,

[01:05:35] I read people.

[01:05:36] I read time,

[01:05:37] but the dead talking to the dead was just a con.

[01:05:40] I respect it.

[01:05:41] I respect it.

[01:05:42] Yeah.

[01:05:43] Yeah.

[01:05:44] I mean,

[01:05:44] she's obviously,

[01:05:45] she's 450 years old and she's got to do something.

[01:05:48] You got to eat.

[01:05:49] You know,

[01:05:49] I have to respect that.

[01:05:50] She's not,

[01:05:50] you know,

[01:05:51] out there casting spells on people and making them walk into the street.

[01:05:55] You know what I mean?

[01:05:56] Yeah.

[01:05:56] Yeah.

[01:05:57] Yeah.

[01:05:57] Giving them something.

[01:05:58] So I respect that.

[01:05:59] Yeah.

[01:06:00] We,

[01:06:01] we only had one outburst from her this episode,

[01:06:03] which was after Agatha break from the board.

[01:06:06] She says,

[01:06:07] I hated this the first time.

[01:06:08] And teens,

[01:06:10] like she's being weird again.

[01:06:12] Right.

[01:06:14] But I,

[01:06:15] okay.

[01:06:15] I made a separate document where we can keep track of her outbursts over time.

[01:06:21] So a lot of them are like the names of tarot cards,

[01:06:25] which we've already talked about.

[01:06:27] But I wanted to bring up that.

[01:06:29] Some things that people have been theorizing about online that make a lot of sense to me is

[01:06:33] in episode two.

[01:06:35] One of the first things she does is like screams and says,

[01:06:38] get off me.

[01:06:38] And these may have been flashes to recent trials.

[01:06:42] Like get off me might've been to the curse.

[01:06:45] Hmm.

[01:06:45] Hmm.

[01:06:46] Um,

[01:06:47] another thing that people are pointing out that makes sense is last episode,

[01:06:50] she turned to Alison and says,

[01:06:52] Alice,

[01:06:53] Alice don't.

[01:06:54] And then loses her train of thought.

[01:06:56] And then,

[01:06:57] but in a previous episode,

[01:06:59] um,

[01:06:59] in episode three,

[01:07:00] one of her outbursts was try to save Agatha.

[01:07:03] So what if she was like time slipping there or whoever is speaking through her was time slipping there and started that Alice,

[01:07:12] Alice don't,

[01:07:13] and then finish the sentence later,

[01:07:14] try to save Agatha.

[01:07:16] What if it's Wiccan?

[01:07:19] Hmm.

[01:07:20] Or what if it's,

[01:07:21] what if it's Wanda?

[01:07:24] I mean,

[01:07:25] these are interesting questions you're posing.

[01:07:31] So I'm wondering also if in that time slipping thing,

[01:07:34] if the other two that go together are around the campfire,

[01:07:38] she said,

[01:07:38] you know,

[01:07:38] we really kind of hated each other in the beginning,

[01:07:40] but now,

[01:07:41] and then she broke up.

[01:07:42] But the episode before that,

[01:07:43] she randomly said,

[01:07:44] I love you guys.

[01:07:45] So I'm wondering if that is something that will,

[01:07:48] which may give me hope for the future because that's definitely not something that applies yet.

[01:07:54] I mean,

[01:07:54] they're dropping hints that,

[01:07:56] you know,

[01:07:57] they're dropping hints that we should keep hope alive.

[01:08:00] So that's what I'm going to keep doing until I'm proven wrong.

[01:08:03] Right.

[01:08:04] Okay.

[01:08:04] All right.

[01:08:06] All right.

[01:08:07] So Rio Vidal,

[01:08:08] um,

[01:08:09] again,

[01:08:09] claims she wants to kill Agatha,

[01:08:11] but I'm still not sure she does.

[01:08:13] Um,

[01:08:14] she hates ghosts.

[01:08:15] Laughs in the face of the name death.

[01:08:18] And,

[01:08:19] um,

[01:08:20] my biggest question though,

[01:08:21] about her is where was she at the end of the episode?

[01:08:24] Yeah.

[01:08:24] She did not leave the trial with the other survivors.

[01:08:27] Exactly.

[01:08:28] Where is she?

[01:08:28] What is she up to?

[01:08:30] Mm hmm.

[01:08:30] Any thoughts?

[01:08:32] I don't have thoughts.

[01:08:33] No.

[01:08:33] Okay.

[01:08:34] Yeah.

[01:08:35] Well,

[01:08:35] we'll just keep an eye on,

[01:08:36] on this because the clues about her are stacking up.

[01:08:40] And,

[01:08:41] um,

[01:08:41] she also says to Agatha and who better to commune with the dead than someone

[01:08:45] who put so many in the grave.

[01:08:47] Anyway.

[01:08:48] Uh,

[01:08:48] and so then,

[01:08:49] yeah,

[01:08:50] that brings us to team or Billy.

[01:08:52] We're calling him now.

[01:08:53] Yes.

[01:08:54] Uh,

[01:08:55] you're just like your mother,

[01:08:56] which we assume to be the Scarlet witch and it's gotta be,

[01:08:59] or they like,

[01:09:00] people will be so mad if it's not the Scarlet witch at this point.

[01:09:05] What if it's,

[01:09:06] what if it's Agatha?

[01:09:09] Oh man.

[01:09:10] Why is it pull an okie doke and say,

[01:09:12] oh,

[01:09:12] you're just like your mother.

[01:09:13] She was talking about herself.

[01:09:14] Oh,

[01:09:18] no,

[01:09:18] it's gotta,

[01:09:18] they've all but said the name Wiccan now.

[01:09:20] So,

[01:09:22] although he did,

[01:09:22] he defended Agatha,

[01:09:24] even in this episode,

[01:09:25] up until the moment she killed Alice,

[01:09:27] that was his breaking point.

[01:09:28] Yeah.

[01:09:29] Yeah.

[01:09:31] Um,

[01:09:31] so they,

[01:09:33] by the way,

[01:09:34] they released tarot cards as merchandise to go along with this show.

[01:09:38] And I saw someone on Agatha all along subreddit,

[01:09:42] uh,

[01:09:43] called yes,

[01:09:44] that Finn talking about the one,

[01:09:47] there was one tarot card that people hadn't been able to link to the

[01:09:50] other.

[01:09:50] So,

[01:09:51] okay,

[01:09:51] I'll just read this.

[01:09:52] They've said they've linked the previous cards to,

[01:09:55] they think that,

[01:09:56] uh,

[01:09:56] the death card is the Rio of a doll.

[01:09:58] Because the version they've released has a black heart and is holding her

[01:10:02] dagger.

[01:10:03] Uh,

[01:10:03] three of swords is Agatha Hartness because,

[01:10:06] um,

[01:10:07] it was directly referenced in the show by Lilia when Agatha was worrying about

[01:10:12] teen.

[01:10:13] And queen of cups,

[01:10:14] they think is Lilia high priestess,

[01:10:16] Jennifer Kale.

[01:10:17] Obviously we saw,

[01:10:18] uh,

[01:10:19] Lilia call Jennifer Kale,

[01:10:20] high priestess,

[01:10:21] wands,

[01:10:22] Alice,

[01:10:23] Gulliver.

[01:10:24] It's a protection sort of thing.

[01:10:25] Three of pentacle as the whole coven,

[01:10:28] uh,

[01:10:28] the opening of the witch's road,

[01:10:30] because that's when,

[01:10:30] uh,

[01:10:31] Lilia said it.

[01:10:32] And the only card that people hadn't been able to,

[01:10:36] um,

[01:10:37] to match up with anyone was the tower.

[01:10:39] And if you look on the tower card,

[01:10:42] there's a blue crown on it,

[01:10:44] which is interesting because obviously we see teen and the episode with a

[01:10:48] blue crown.

[01:10:50] Um,

[01:10:51] and the card basically what it means is a sudden devastating revelation and

[01:10:58] a change that turns the world completely on its head.

[01:11:01] Hmm.

[01:11:03] So,

[01:11:04] Hmm.

[01:11:05] is that Wiccan or is that Scarlet witch?

[01:11:08] I mean,

[01:11:08] it has the blue crown,

[01:11:09] so it must be Wiccan.

[01:11:10] Oh yeah.

[01:11:11] And we should point out by the way that his,

[01:11:12] his costume in the,

[01:11:13] or his wardrobe change in the,

[01:11:15] uh,

[01:11:16] trial this week was very Wiccan coded.

[01:11:19] It was,

[01:11:19] uh,

[01:11:20] red and he had a blue headband on,

[01:11:22] which is how he looks in the comics and how we saw him look,

[01:11:25] uh,

[01:11:25] for Halloween and WandaVision.

[01:11:29] But okay.

[01:11:30] So the sigil seems to be gone.

[01:11:32] Agatha knows who he is.

[01:11:33] He knows who he is.

[01:11:34] Do you think that he forgot who he was and only just now realized,

[01:11:38] or do you think he was faking it?

[01:11:41] I think that,

[01:11:43] I think he might've put the sigil on himself.

[01:11:47] Yeah.

[01:11:48] Could be.

[01:11:48] I think he might've put the sigil on himself.

[01:11:51] And,

[01:11:51] you know,

[01:11:52] for the folks who were saying the sigil was an M,

[01:11:58] because Mephisto,

[01:12:00] um,

[01:12:01] I think it might actually stand for Maximoff.

[01:12:05] Yeah,

[01:12:06] it could,

[01:12:06] or it could be a W for,

[01:12:07] for Wiccan.

[01:12:08] For Wiccan.

[01:12:09] Mm-hmm.

[01:12:10] Or Wanda.

[01:12:11] Mm-hmm.

[01:12:12] So there's so many ways to think of what the,

[01:12:16] the sigil script could,

[01:12:19] could have meant.

[01:12:20] So I,

[01:12:20] I want,

[01:12:21] I wonder if they'll,

[01:12:22] you know,

[01:12:22] give us that at the end of the show or at some point in the behind the scenes or things of that nature.

[01:12:28] Hmm.

[01:12:30] Yeah,

[01:12:31] maybe he,

[01:12:33] maybe he,

[01:12:34] um,

[01:12:36] wanted to,

[01:12:37] he lost his power or something because of the sigil,

[01:12:40] whether it was him or Wanda or someone else.

[01:12:42] And that is why he was on the witch's road for all of his protestations of,

[01:12:47] you know,

[01:12:48] I,

[01:12:49] I'm,

[01:12:49] I'm here for the right reasons.

[01:12:50] Maybe he was also just in it for the power.

[01:12:53] But maybe that is the right reason.

[01:12:55] Mm.

[01:12:56] To be,

[01:12:57] to,

[01:12:57] I mean,

[01:12:58] if you,

[01:12:59] if you're going to.

[01:13:00] True.

[01:13:01] Wants to be his,

[01:13:02] his true self.

[01:13:04] Mm.

[01:13:05] So.

[01:13:07] They said the sigil would be broken when it's no longer needed.

[01:13:10] Why do you think it's no longer needed now?

[01:13:13] That's a good question.

[01:13:15] I assume because he was no longer trying to make excuses for Agatha.

[01:13:23] And that's what.

[01:13:25] That.

[01:13:26] Actually.

[01:13:27] Let him to his full power or something close to his full power.

[01:13:32] Like,

[01:13:33] it's almost like the wool has been lifted from his eyes.

[01:13:39] Mm.

[01:13:39] Once you're ready to see the world as it,

[01:13:41] as it is,

[01:13:42] maybe you be able to actually defend yourself.

[01:13:47] Mm.

[01:13:47] You don't need to be afraid.

[01:13:49] Mm.

[01:13:50] You can fight back.

[01:13:51] I think the sigil was there to,

[01:13:53] to protect him from others,

[01:13:56] not from himself.

[01:13:58] Okay.

[01:13:59] So.

[01:14:00] Maybe he doesn't need protecting anymore.

[01:14:03] Mm.

[01:14:04] Yeah.

[01:14:04] I guess that's what it implies.

[01:14:06] Yeah.

[01:14:07] Yeah.

[01:14:07] Yeah.

[01:14:07] But I still,

[01:14:08] I'm surprised how much is lining up with the comics.

[01:14:10] Now I'm going to be shocked if it lines up completely.

[01:14:14] So I'm really wondering what other twists are to come.

[01:14:17] I'm where I'm hoping teen doesn't take a dark turn.

[01:14:20] No,

[01:14:21] no,

[01:14:21] no.

[01:14:21] That would,

[01:14:21] that would be for me.

[01:14:23] That would be a mistake.

[01:14:24] Mm.

[01:14:26] That would be a mistake.

[01:14:27] If he turns out to be some sort of,

[01:14:29] you know,

[01:14:30] Mephisto agent or something adjacent to that.

[01:14:34] I think that would be a mistake.

[01:14:35] Hmm.

[01:14:36] No.

[01:14:37] Yeah.

[01:14:38] Shall I tell you about my infinity stone magic theory?

[01:14:42] Absolutely.

[01:14:43] Well,

[01:14:43] I've just noticed that all the different colors of magic line up with the

[01:14:46] colors of the infinity stone,

[01:14:47] which for anyone who's not sure what that means,

[01:14:49] those are the stones that are in Thanos,

[01:14:51] Thanos is gone to it that he needed all of them to snap and disappear.

[01:14:56] Half the world.

[01:14:57] Um,

[01:14:58] but yeah,

[01:14:59] so teens magic lines up with a space stone.

[01:15:02] We've already talked about this.

[01:15:03] The power seemed to be more of the mind stone,

[01:15:05] which was blue when it was in the Tesseract or no,

[01:15:08] when it was in Loki's scepter.

[01:15:10] So anyway,

[01:15:12] um,

[01:15:13] yellow magic is Lily's magic is yellow.

[01:15:17] So that lines up with the mind stone.

[01:15:20] And she's reading.

[01:15:22] Her thing is,

[01:15:23] it's time though.

[01:15:25] No,

[01:15:26] yeah.

[01:15:27] Time.

[01:15:27] I was thinking,

[01:15:28] so time is green,

[01:15:29] which I guess we haven't really seen real use green magic,

[01:15:33] have we?

[01:15:33] But,

[01:15:33] um,

[01:15:35] but it would be like in that case,

[01:15:37] uh,

[01:15:37] because real represents this cycle of life,

[01:15:40] death,

[01:15:41] you know,

[01:15:41] is the green man entity.

[01:15:43] So that's kind of time.

[01:15:45] I'm stretching.

[01:15:47] Yeah.

[01:15:48] That is kind of plastic.

[01:15:50] But,

[01:15:51] but okay.

[01:15:52] Red is reality.

[01:15:53] And that's Wanda.

[01:15:54] And that lines up perfectly.

[01:15:56] Purple is power.

[01:15:57] And that's Agatha.

[01:15:58] And that lines up perfectly.

[01:16:00] Um,

[01:16:01] and orange is what we saw from Alice.

[01:16:04] And that's the soul stone.

[01:16:06] So I guess soul stone,

[01:16:08] because it's,

[01:16:09] it's about like this family passing down magic.

[01:16:13] I don't know.

[01:16:15] I don't know.

[01:16:16] I want,

[01:16:17] I want to say,

[01:16:18] I want to say,

[01:16:19] yes,

[01:16:19] three of them are,

[01:16:19] yes.

[01:16:20] It's getting more Mr.

[01:16:21] Fantastic as we go,

[01:16:23] as we go along.

[01:16:24] It's stretching.

[01:16:25] It's stretching.

[01:16:26] Reed Richards stretching.

[01:16:27] Two and a half of them are perfect.

[01:16:30] Yes.

[01:16:30] I will.

[01:16:31] I will say that,

[01:16:32] but you know,

[01:16:34] I think the stones were destroyed in this universe.

[01:16:38] Yeah.

[01:16:38] Mm-hmm.

[01:16:39] We don't have the stones in this universe.

[01:16:40] But they could be like,

[01:16:42] there could be still the primordial power.

[01:16:45] No,

[01:16:45] that's what I'm,

[01:16:46] that's what I'm trying to work out in my head.

[01:16:48] is if they were destroyed,

[01:16:50] did the power disperse?

[01:16:52] Or yeah,

[01:16:53] I don't know.

[01:16:55] But of course,

[01:16:56] you know,

[01:16:56] the witches have been around longer centuries.

[01:16:59] Yeah.

[01:17:00] Yeah.

[01:17:00] Yeah.

[01:17:02] I also noticed that Evanora's coven uses blue magic as well.

[01:17:07] Like teens.

[01:17:07] So I don't know.

[01:17:08] There's got to be a reason they color code the magic.

[01:17:10] I'm keeping an eye on it.

[01:17:12] Okay.

[01:17:13] But yeah,

[01:17:14] we have four episodes left.

[01:17:15] There still should be earth and air.

[01:17:42] There's a clip in the trailers.

[01:17:48] A wizard of Oz theme going on.

[01:17:51] And I was wondering if that was Lillia's trial,

[01:17:53] because there's just,

[01:17:54] I was wondering if that was like the air trial.

[01:17:58] I don't know.

[01:17:59] Yeah.

[01:17:59] I don't know if that,

[01:18:00] maybe that's not a trial.

[01:18:01] Maybe that's some other new thing.

[01:18:03] Right.

[01:18:04] Right.

[01:18:05] But anyway,

[01:18:06] so,

[01:18:07] and then we have that two part finale on Halloween,

[01:18:09] which is obviously going to feature man thing.

[01:18:11] See,

[01:18:11] I brought them up.

[01:18:18] We'll see.

[01:18:21] Shall we work through the feedback?

[01:18:24] Yeah,

[01:18:24] absolutely.

[01:18:25] But again,

[01:18:26] this was a great episode.

[01:18:28] Um,

[01:18:29] just let's keep hope alive folks.

[01:18:31] Let's keep hope alive.

[01:18:33] Yes.

[01:18:34] All right.

[01:18:35] Do you want to read Mark's and we can take turns?

[01:18:37] Sure.

[01:18:38] Absolutely.

[01:18:39] So this is from Mark from nevermind the music.

[01:18:42] If you haven't checked them out,

[01:18:43] check them out.

[01:18:43] Great pod.

[01:18:45] Hey,

[01:18:45] Alicia and John.

[01:18:47] I mentioned this briefly on discord,

[01:18:50] but figured I'd follow up with feedback via email.

[01:18:53] Now that I've heard your coverage of the last episode,

[01:18:55] after my pretty full throated endorsement of the realism of the in

[01:19:00] universe music in episode two,

[01:19:04] some might be wondering what I thought about the rock band scene.

[01:19:08] In episode four,

[01:19:10] you might expect a long rant full of musical examples about how maybe the

[01:19:14] particular style of drum beat played by Rio is something all humans

[01:19:18] instinctively know or how obviously generational memory means that Alice

[01:19:23] would obviously know an excellent piano part to her mother's song about how

[01:19:28] the song was obviously so popular amongst all generations.

[01:19:31] Even people who are hundreds of years old that Lillia wouldn't know not only

[01:19:37] a really awesome vocal harmony,

[01:19:39] but also immediately know which of those vocal harmonies she should be singing so

[01:19:45] as not to clash with the other singers or steal anybody's thunder about how Jen's

[01:19:50] hipster new age clientele virtually assures that she'd be a basis and how teen

[01:19:56] could have been assured that the guitar was in tune without having to tediously noodle while

[01:20:02] the others impatiently waited.

[01:20:04] You might expect all of that.

[01:20:06] Nope.

[01:20:07] I can't do it.

[01:20:08] That's all BS.

[01:20:10] And my comments about how much better it is when a musical arrangement seems realistic

[01:20:14] and peaceful for the performers in a TV show sort of don't matter here.

[01:20:19] I still stand behind them, but who cares?

[01:20:22] This basically didn't make any sense on those grounds, but I loved it because it was cool.

[01:20:28] That's it.

[01:20:29] That makes me a hypocrite.

[01:20:31] I'm sure it's not the first time I've had contradictory views about music.

[01:20:37] Thank you for your feedback.

[01:20:39] But I do actually think the things that he said are all true.

[01:20:43] I would assume that all the instruments would be in tune because they're set there for the trial.

[01:20:48] So I would assume that, yeah, obviously they all know this song very well because they keep

[01:20:54] talking about how famous it is in the witching community in particular.

[01:20:58] So yeah, I buy all.

[01:21:00] I buy everything you laid out.

[01:21:02] It's not BS.

[01:21:03] No, it's not BS, but I agree that it was cool.

[01:21:06] So who cares?

[01:21:07] Right.

[01:21:08] Yeah.

[01:21:09] It was cool.

[01:21:10] That's it.

[01:21:11] He said the rule of cool.

[01:21:13] The rule of cool.

[01:21:14] Yeah.

[01:21:15] We're going to use that.

[01:21:16] We're going to go by.

[01:21:19] All right.

[01:21:20] So Maureen D said after episode four, it's funny how with all the discussions about the

[01:21:25] quote unquote green witch, I haven't made a connection with the wicked witch of the West.

[01:21:29] Will be interesting if we see a green Rio at some point.

[01:21:32] And yeah, I responded that there is there because I said that there's a glimpse of the

[01:21:39] Wizard of Oz.

[01:21:40] And so there is an answer to that question in some of the trailers, if anyone cares to

[01:21:45] check.

[01:21:47] After episode five, Maureen said loved Rio's wicked witch laugh.

[01:21:52] Yeah.

[01:21:52] That was great.

[01:21:53] That was great.

[01:21:57] Yeah.

[01:21:58] She's good.

[01:22:00] So Abby, ah, these episodes are too effing short.

[01:22:06] Like give me more ASAP.

[01:22:09] Salem seven are creptacular.

[01:22:12] Interesting lore change.

[01:22:13] We got to the eighties.

[01:22:15] She couldn't help.

[01:22:16] Or couldn't she?

[01:22:18] Rio's having a blast seems to be enjoying this immensely.

[01:22:21] Teen quote unquote.

[01:22:23] All right.

[01:22:24] All right.

[01:22:24] Bring it just like your mother.

[01:22:26] Wink wing.

[01:22:28] Yeah.

[01:22:29] We all know what that means.

[01:22:30] Yeah.

[01:22:31] And they are creptacular.

[01:22:33] Yeah.

[01:22:34] Yeah.

[01:22:34] I would love to see more of the Salem seven.

[01:22:37] I guess probably now that they're on the road, we will be seeing them again.

[01:22:41] Hopefully.

[01:22:42] Yeah.

[01:22:44] Davey Mac says, yeah, Salem seven still giving off those creepy vibes.

[01:22:48] They even took it up a level.

[01:22:50] I dig it.

[01:22:50] And we got some cabin in the woods, not meaning the movie itself, but more movies that inspired it.

[01:22:56] And a little bit of exorcist thrown into the mix.

[01:22:59] I haven't seen WandaVision since it came out and have not seen any of the movies where Wanda appears.

[01:23:04] So I could be wrong.

[01:23:06] But while watching this episode and teens powers manifest, I immediately went to Wanda and thought he was her son.

[01:23:12] Well, so do we are very much not wrong.

[01:23:15] Yeah.

[01:23:16] Yeah.

[01:23:16] We agree totally.

[01:23:18] Yeah.

[01:23:19] And they are definitely, they are trying to tell us that.

[01:23:21] So they are either like outright telling us and it'll be confirmed maybe next week or they are messing with us on purpose.

[01:23:30] So Athena and Julia, what is Rio doing with Alice during all of this?

[01:23:39] Crying emoji.

[01:23:40] Yeah.

[01:23:41] That's a good question.

[01:23:43] We don't know.

[01:23:44] I hope that's answered.

[01:23:46] Let's see what happens.

[01:23:47] Yeah.

[01:23:48] What's her excuse when she shows back up?

[01:23:50] Assuming she does.

[01:23:51] Because we haven't gotten her trial yet.

[01:23:55] Aaron K.

[01:23:56] So from Radioactive Ramblings, our own, says, I'm convinced we are going to get a good flashback or two in the next episode.

[01:24:02] I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an origin story.

[01:24:06] Whose origin story?

[01:24:07] I mean, Lilia for one.

[01:24:10] Okay.

[01:24:11] I mean, Lilia is the only one left, right?

[01:24:14] Or Wiccan?

[01:24:15] Yeah.

[01:24:15] Yeah.

[01:24:16] Or Wiccan.

[01:24:17] Those are the only two that we have left.

[01:24:20] I still have more questions about Jennifer, but I guess they're not going to satisfy me in that way until episode nine when men show up.

[01:24:28] Oh, my God.

[01:24:34] I'm going to be so excited if it actually happens.

[01:24:37] Oh, yeah.

[01:24:39] Okay.

[01:24:40] Zatuichi.

[01:24:41] Is teen sigil no longer needed because he can defend himself now?

[01:24:45] That's what I think.

[01:24:47] Yeah.

[01:24:48] Yeah.

[01:24:50] All right.

[01:24:50] I'm going to read a theory from my friend, Jesse, and then she has some corrections she recently added to it.

[01:24:58] But, yeah, I shared this with you, John, and I know that you found it interesting.

[01:25:02] Yes.

[01:25:04] So in the beginning, Agatha straight up tells teen the road doesn't exist.

[01:25:09] I don't believe she's ever walked the road before.

[01:25:11] Now it is confirmed that he is Billy slash Wiccan.

[01:25:14] When the coven sings the ballad to open the road, nothing happens until just before teen starts losing his shit and runs for the basement.

[01:25:22] The door doesn't appear until he's screaming and running from the Salem seven.

[01:25:26] Then he's the first one down the stairs.

[01:25:28] Every trial so far, it has been teen to get it started.

[01:25:32] He found the invitation.

[01:25:33] He played the record.

[01:25:35] He found the Ouija board.

[01:25:36] It seems he put the sigil on himself.

[01:25:39] The sigil appears to be broken when Agatha acknowledges who he actually is.

[01:25:44] What if this whole time they've been on, quote unquote, the road?

[01:25:48] It's actually just been a construct of Billy's magic subconsciously manifesting to warp slash create the world around them.

[01:25:55] Like he had a goal before putting the sigil on himself.

[01:26:00] And his magic has been creating a way to reach that goal without him being aware.

[01:26:04] I know very little of the comics, so maybe I'm way off.

[01:26:07] But it feels like there's just too many connections between him and pretty much everything that's happened so far for him to have just tagged along.

[01:26:15] And she added to that more recently.

[01:26:19] My thoughts have changed a tiny bit, but the gist is still what I'm theorizing.

[01:26:22] I no longer think that the road doesn't exist, but I do believe he's been subconsciously manipulating everything up until now.

[01:26:29] Also, Wanda loves sitcoms.

[01:26:31] WandaVision was sitcoms through the decades.

[01:26:33] I think Billy also loves TV, but different genres, hence the different trials.

[01:26:38] WandaVision was sitcoms through the decades.

[01:27:08] I wonder if she's actually done the things that people claim that she has.

[01:27:15] And walking the road is one of those things that I wonder if she actually did.

[01:27:19] Yeah.

[01:27:20] Yeah, there was something she said when they first entered the road that made me doubt for a minute.

[01:27:29] Has she actually been here before?

[01:27:31] Is she just making it up as she goes along?

[01:27:33] But then she was correct about the things that she did say.

[01:27:36] So what if it's a shared delusion between her and Wiccan?

[01:27:40] Kind of like she and Wanda were doing in Westview.

[01:27:44] Right.

[01:27:44] It's possible.

[01:27:46] It's possible.

[01:27:47] I like this idea that Wiccan is actually manipulating everything, whether overtly or subconsciously.

[01:27:56] That it's him that's doing to them what Wanda did to Westview.

[01:28:03] Yeah.

[01:28:04] But then I wonder, yeah, all the stuff about Lorna saying that her daughter would be saved on the road and then it seems to have happened, but then she died.

[01:28:12] So, yeah, I'm wondering what happens when they, quote unquote, die on the road.

[01:28:18] Right.

[01:28:21] But good stuff.

[01:28:22] Good stuff to think about.

[01:28:25] Any other thoughts or theories you want to throw out about this episode?

[01:28:29] No, no.

[01:28:30] I just, again, I loved it.

[01:28:33] I'm loving the series.

[01:28:34] And yeah, let's hope that it continues this upward trajectory that is on currently because they're really doing a great job.

[01:28:42] Yeah.

[01:28:44] Yep.

[01:28:44] We'll be back every week to walk you guys through whatever happens.

[01:28:48] And yeah, this is going through October with a double finale for Halloween.

[01:28:53] So our recap will come back out just after Halloween.

[01:28:57] And we're also covering the Penguin.

[01:29:00] I think probably like every episode or two, depending on.

[01:29:05] Every other week we'll drop.

[01:29:06] Yeah.

[01:29:06] Probably something like that.

[01:29:08] Yeah.

[01:29:09] And we were just discussing before this, we are going to finally go see Joker 2.

[01:29:14] I'm no longer testing positive for COVID.

[01:29:16] And Sean, you're going to.

[01:29:19] You said that you've heard from people who are like, it's not as bad as people are saying.

[01:29:24] Yes.

[01:29:24] Yes.

[01:29:24] I've heard, you know, like it's not, you know, the end of the world and it's not a world beater of a movie.

[01:29:34] So I'll be interested to see and hear what you think and also to see it for myself.

[01:29:40] Yeah.

[01:29:40] Yeah.

[01:29:41] So I think we're going to aim for next week.

[01:29:44] Next week.

[01:29:45] Yeah.

[01:29:46] Or maybe a week after, depending on when we can record with all this other stuff.

[01:29:50] Um, and also, um, working on plans for a Pachinko one shot.

[01:29:55] Pachinko just finished season two in Apple TV plus.

[01:29:58] A lot of people in the discord are calling it their favorite show of the year.

[01:30:03] So it's, it's an emotionally devastating, but just incredibly made acted, uh, written just such a good story about Korean immigrants to Japan over decades of time.

[01:30:16] Um, so yeah, we're, we're going to plan a one shot and we're going to have our, our, uh, Japanese historical expert Nate back to talk about the historical context for all the events.

[01:30:27] Awesome.

[01:30:28] That'll be coming up soon too.

[01:30:30] And of course the guys in Maryland are wrapping up Tolkien.

[01:30:33] I think they have like two feedback episodes coming out because people just have so many thoughts and theories about this show.

[01:30:42] Um, that's the rings of power.

[01:30:45] And of course, Spooktober has begun.

[01:30:47] So tying directly into what was covered in this episode, uh, the craft Spooktober special for the wool shift dust feed will be coming out, uh, just a couple of days after this episode.

[01:30:58] And also, uh, this month there'll be a history of evolution of coven episode for subscribers with a classic Scottish folktale audio drama.

[01:31:08] And, um, on both the public and subscriber feeds for the lore hounds, there will be coverage of the poltergeist film series for Spooktober there.

[01:31:16] And in the Canon, uh, Canon Padawan feed for the Star Wars Canon timeline subscribers, there will be a bonus Sith story from legends about Darth Nihilus.

[01:31:29] Uh, but you can also look out for in the next couple of days on the public feed, Star Wars visions, looking at two episodes that, uh, talk about the shadows of the Sith in the Republic.

[01:31:40] And, um, yeah, things are busy on the wool shift dust public feed as well, uh, ramping up to November with both silo and dune coverage.

[01:31:50] So, uh, Luke, David, and I actually recorded a dune book episode, uh, yesterday.

[01:31:56] So yeah, that's going to be coming out in the near future.

[01:31:59] And radioactive rambling has started a book series as well.

[01:32:03] They are covering red rising about three chapters at a time, which is one of those series that I have never read, but I've only hear superlative things about.

[01:32:13] So I'm definitely going to be catching up with that as soon as I can.

[01:32:16] And of course, nevermind the music, uh, you heard from Mark again today.

[01:32:21] And how would you describe the podcast?

[01:32:23] Um, fun.

[01:32:27] I mean, they break down things that, you know, if you're not a musician or haven't studied, you won't know, but they do it in such an engaging way that it's really, it's just a fun, fun listen.

[01:32:43] Yeah.

[01:32:44] Yeah.

[01:32:45] Yeah.

[01:32:45] You got the music angle.

[01:32:47] You've got the psychology angle.

[01:32:49] Yeah.

[01:32:49] Yeah.

[01:32:49] You guys got to hear Nicole on, uh, this.

[01:32:52] Yeah.

[01:32:53] Talking about Agatha with us last week.

[01:32:55] So gives you a taste, but of course, yeah.

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[01:33:44] As always, I pulled out some music.

[01:33:45] I got a new folder this time.

[01:33:48] It's a magical folder.

[01:33:49] It's a magical folder.

[01:33:50] It's appropriate.

[01:33:51] It's called eyes everywhere.

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[01:34:05] Ghost of Partition.

[01:34:06] And Richard W.

[01:34:07] And thank you especially to our lore masters.

[01:34:11] Samarshan.

[01:34:12] Michael G.

[01:34:12] Michelle E.

[01:34:13] Brian P.

[01:34:14] SC.

[01:34:15] Peter O.

[01:34:15] H.

[01:34:16] Bettina W.

[01:34:17] Adam S.

[01:34:17] Nancy M.

[01:34:18] Doove 71.

[01:34:20] Brian 8063.

[01:34:21] Frederick H.

[01:34:22] Sarah L.

[01:34:23] Gareth C.

[01:34:24] Eric F.

[01:34:25] Matthew M.

[01:34:26] Sarah M.

[01:34:26] DJ Miwa.

[01:34:27] Andra B.

[01:34:28] Kuang Yu.

[01:34:29] Dead Eye Jedi Bob.

[01:34:31] Nathan T.

[01:34:32] Alex V.

[01:34:33] Aaron T.

[01:34:34] Sub Zero.

[01:34:34] Aaron K.

[01:34:36] Dally V.

[01:34:37] Mothership.

[01:34:38] Narls.

[01:34:39] Kathy W.

[01:34:40] Lestu.

[01:34:41] Jeffrey B.

[01:34:42] Elisa U.

[01:34:43] Fossey U.

[01:34:44] Neil F.

[01:34:45] Ben B.

[01:34:46] Charlotte M.

[01:34:47] Scott F.

[01:34:48] And as always, Adrian.

[01:34:51] Thank you all so much for making this whole podcasting thing possible.

[01:34:56] Yeah, thank you.

[01:34:57] And before we go.

[01:35:00] You must say.

[01:35:02] Feige.

[01:35:02] Feige.

[01:35:04] You're doing a great thing.

[01:35:06] This series is wonderful.

[01:35:09] I want you to keep doing great things.

[01:35:11] What else can he do for you?

[01:35:14] Recast T'Challa.

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