House of the Dragon - S02E07 Feedback - The Red Sowing

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey Mark, I was listening to Paramore the other day and it really made me think about

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the amygdala and the limbic system.

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You just made those words up didn't you?

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_03]: What, Paramore?

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We're the Never Mind The Music podcast where one musician

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And one psychologist

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Talk songwriting and the mind, one song at a time

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll hear everything from Green Day and Outcast

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: To Stevie Wonder and Dua Lipa

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And we mostly try to stay on topic

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[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to the House of the Hounds

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_09]: This is our feedback episode for season 2, episode 7

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_09]: The Red Sowing where we still haven't written an intro for these feedback episodes

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_09]: David?

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes sir

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_09]: How can people join the feedback conversation?

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_05]: They can send emails to

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: H-O-T-D at thelorehounds.com

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Where Hand of the Pod Nancy M is collecting all the ravens

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And she's formulating those into a big document for us

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: If you can't be bothered with email

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You can always head over to our website

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Go to thelorehounds.com

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Slash Contact

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And there is a voicemail feature as well as a contact form

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And Nancy is also cruising through the Discord channels that we have set up

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: For various conversations and plucking various things out

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she's even like checking in with people and interacting with them

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And getting stuff

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you get a message from her

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you will be invited to actually write a particular thing

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_05]: For our Discord, definitely go to our link tree in the show notes for this

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: If you don't know where to find our Discord

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Click on that link

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We have a whole section of channels for each episode

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: We have a live watch channel

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So that if you're watching it live

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You can chatter away with people without having to worry about spoilers and such

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, emails to hotdathelorehounds.com

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That's really the best way if you're not sending in a voicemail

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Very cool

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_09]: And I just want to talk very quickly about our subscriber benefits

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I have a feeling that the number of people who listen to the feedback episodes

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Without listening to the main episodes and the single digits

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably if you're probably listening to the one before the other

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, we have a Supercast and a Patreon

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_09]: For recurring subscriptions

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_09]: You can get all our podcasts early in ad free access

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_09]: For now five bucks a month

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_09]: It has gone up as of today actually

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_09]: So we've grandfathered in people who signed up before today

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_09]: But now it is up to five bucks a month

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Which you still get a ton of content

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I just tell you we did 46 podcasts in the last 60 days

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_09]: So let's not worry about a crowd of content here

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Insanity, yeah

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, you could also get the season pass

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Which is a ten dollar flat fee

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_09]: No recurring subscription

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_09]: That will just get you House of the Dragon subscriber treatment

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_09]: You'll get the show guide

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_09]: You will get early in ad free access

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And you'll get the bonus hot takes on Sunday nights

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Right

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_09]: The show guide is another really fun thing

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Were you going to talk about that next?

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I was going to mention the rings of power season pass

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_05]: But we can hold that for later

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's not launched yet

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll keep that on the ground

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Tease, we're teasing you

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_09]: There's going to be a rings of power season pass

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Since people seem to like the hot tea season pass

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_09]: But again nothing is taken away from the recurring subscribers

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_09]: So if you just want to get everything

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_09]: That's the path to go

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Now

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_09]: David

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, John

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_09]: We have a ton of feedback tonight

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_09]: We do

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_09]: I think more feedback than we've ever had

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_09]: So I think we should just get right to it

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, we're just going to rip into this stuff

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's go

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's start off with a voicemail from Karen

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Who also called in last week

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Here we go

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Nancy

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi guys

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to thank you so much for the podcast

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And especially for the Discord community

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: This past episode was the first time

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I live watched while being in the Discord

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And it filled my little nerdy heart with so much joy

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: To be able to have those conversations

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: While I was watching the show

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: My husband watches with me

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But he looks at me blankly when I constantly comment

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And analyze everything

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was just an absolute joy to be a part of that

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I got a lot of my nerdy needs met

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So thanks so much guys

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I love the podcast, I love the Discord

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And looking forward to coverage of other shows

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I've followed you guys for a while on Show Gone

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And previous season of House of the Dragon

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And looking forward to some of the other shows

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That you cover as well

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like we like a lot of the same stuff

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, have a great day

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I love that

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you Karen

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Happy to be a home, right?

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That makes me really happy

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_05]: That the Live Watch is a fun place for people to gather

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, the fact that there's this community

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I love how she let off saying hi to Nancy first

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is perfect, right?

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Because we may be the voices on the microphones

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: But there's so much more going on

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's so many more people involved

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: In making this community a really fun place

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: To hang out and talk

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And exactly like Karen was saying

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Nerd out with the stuff that we love

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And it just really makes me happy to hear that voice mail

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Did you see someone say a similar thing

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_09]: In a review on Apple Podcast recently?

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I did see that breeze by

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you screenshot it or something

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because I think it's a new catchphrase

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a new catchphrase for us

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Where the nerds find a home

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I like that

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_09]: There you go

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_09]: In line with this one

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_09]: So by the way, if all of you

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Want to review us on Apple Podcast

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_09]: It does help

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_09]: We stopped doing that in the intro

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_09]: But maybe we should start again

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Because it slowed down since we stopped

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we should

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Here and there

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright, thank you Karen

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I know we're going to hear again from Karen later

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_09]: So let's not belabor the point

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_09]: While we get to Susan B

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Hi, Laura Hounds

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed your podcast

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm a big fan of Game of Thrones

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And House of the Dragon

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_05]: During the season 2 episode 6 feedback pod

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You guys questioned why

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Technology hasn't advanced

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Between the time of House of the Dragon

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And Game of Thrones

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember hearing you mention that on a previous pod

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And that I have thoughts about this

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is pretty consistent

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: With medieval European history

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: For example, if you look at Europe

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Between the years 1000 and 1500 AD

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think you'll see much technological advancement

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_05]: If that is the period Girm used

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_05]: To model Game of Thrones

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: House of the Dragons

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't see it as a problem

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I may be missing something

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But my sense is that things were relatively stagnant

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Until post 1500s

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the quote unquote discovery

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Of the Americas and colonization

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Was a likely significant driver of change

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: It's hard to imagine

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Given we've seen very dramatic changes

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: In more recent eras such as

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: The Industrial Revolution

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: The 18th, 19th centuries

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: The computer age in the 20th century and beyond

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for the thought provoking content

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Susan in Vermont, Susan!

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I salute you from Southern Vermont

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you're up north a little ways

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So good to see another Vermonter

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: In our feedback

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_05]: John thoughts about technological developments

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: In medieval Europe?

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Do Vermonters seal their feedback envelopes

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Of maple syrup anyway?

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_05]: No but it's like back in the 80s

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_05]: This is real

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Well it was real to me at the time when I heard this

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: They tested like 100 dollar bills and 20 dollar bills

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And almost every bill in circulation

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Had a residue of cocaine on them

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: So anything that comes through Vermont

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Has if you do a microscopic examination

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It won't have bamboo fibers on it

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_05]: It will have maple syrup molecules

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Attached to them

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_09]: That's fair

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I think this is a fair point about technology

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_09]: In the middle ages was less

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_09]: It's interesting right because there are spurts of technology

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And you know the Renaissance did have quite a bit of technology

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Clearly the last 100 years has been pretty insane

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_09]: The last 200 years have been pretty insane

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_09]: As far as technology face

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that we haven't seen much at all though

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_09]: In Game of Thrones

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I think like none at all

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_09]: We are seeing the same exact health remedies

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_09]: And things like that

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_09]: That you see in House of the Dragon

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Which is kind of great

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Even the Scorpion really hasn't

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_09]: You know

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think if you're going to see development somewhere

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be around military technology

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Right

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You know in metallurgy and sword crafting

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And armor

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And how far and fast can you throw an object

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: At another human being

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Like really important stuff

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You know forget farming technology

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Forget healthcare outcomes

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_05]: No no we need better ways

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_05]: To throw deadly objects at our fellow man

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Right I mean even things

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Things kind of regress actually don't they

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Because they don't know how to work with Valyrian steel anymore

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Most of the time in Game of Thrones

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_09]: There are some who can but very few can

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a really good point actually

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_09]: So I do think that it's a little extra

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to defend my point

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to stand with my point

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a little extra stagnant

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Just a swing around too

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a little bit what Harry Selden

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And the foundation we're trying to do

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Is keep that back sliding of technology

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: From happening by foreshortening the darkness

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Well thanks Susan

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah thanks

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And please write in again

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And we need more of our monitors here

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Nate writes in next

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Are you reading all the feedback

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Or do you want to alternate

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: No I can run for a little while

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: We can trade off

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You go ahead

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay Nate M

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Why is it say swampy

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that the title

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why Nancy put that in there

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh anyway

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_09]: He signed it swampy

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh that's his nom de plume

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You mentioned all the shots of ravens flying

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_05]: In this week's episode

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And the season overall

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Which I appreciate it

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh well I'm glad you appreciate it

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_05]: When you said you haven't seen

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_05]: This perspective in the world

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But don't forget we already have

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Starting with Bran

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And extending to wilding wargs

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And the three eyed raven

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Blood raven himself

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_05]: We got loads of human raven stuff

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_05]: In the original Game of Thrones series

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_05]: We should be on the lookout

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: For potential magic users

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Every time we see a raven

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Especially if there's a weird wood nearby

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Alice is suspect number one

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh that's actually a cool little idea

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_05]: What if that was Alice flying

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Back to the castle

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_05]: When Oliver

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I like that a lot

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: With Laris close behind

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: There is a super fun fan theory

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That he is a green seer

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And it holds a surprising amount of water

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Huh interesting

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Most of all we should contemplate

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Bran watching all of these events

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_05]: From across time and space

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_05]: As he did with increasing annoyance

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_05]: In season 68 of Game of Thrones

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Love the pod keep those third eyes

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Open swampy

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_09]: You look beautiful on your wedding night

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Like are we kidding

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_09]: They put that in the show

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Laris

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Who has a better story

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Than Bran the broken

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I really like this theory

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: That could have been Alice flying back

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah although the Laris one is even creepier

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Right if he's flying above Alice

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_09]: And watching

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait creepy

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how it works

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean somebody's got

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_05]: They're pulling some threads together

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_05]: To make that one work I think

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_09]: But anyway

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Abby had a quick comment

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Ah yes the tree in Harrenhal

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Has the face of Girm

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of jokes about

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_05]: How you can't finish a book

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_05]: But you can become a tree

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: If you can't

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no wait I'm sorry

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I misread here

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of jokes about how

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: If you can't finish a book

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: You become a tree

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Very funny

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Well he certainly cannot

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Finish a book recently

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_09]: 13 years George

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_09]: 13 years

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I blame the double D's

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they screwed with his mojo

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Moving on to people who do read a lot of books

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Marilyn Arbrochila

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Our favorite Tolga scholar

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello Lorhounds

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_05]: You mentioned the practice of warding

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is known as fostering historically

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: In some ways you might say that

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_05]: It was the guy's version of

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Peace weaver for women

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see I'm not following this email

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Not neither

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Classic practice in Britain from

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Anglo-Saxon times on

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And some versions were practiced

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_05]: In the by

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Bright Brythonic culture

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's it yeah

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah before that in Norman culture

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: After the conquest

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_05]: A boy would go to another family

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Or lord or a more prestigious

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: The more the prestigious the better

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: To be trained in courtly services

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Manors weapons tactics etc

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: From this it was hoped

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It would become

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It was hoped would come alliances

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And possible marriages

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_05]: In some cultures it was said

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: That foster brothers were closer

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Than blood brothers probably

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Because there was no conflict about

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Being in the line of succession

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It's also important to learn that

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Your family's ways are not the only

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Ways out there

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_05]: The customs protocols and preferences

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Of other tribes or families were

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Always useful knowledge for anyone

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Who is going to attain any sort of

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Leadership or diplomatic position

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: My reference to Alice Rivers and

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: The subjects line was as Alicia

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably knows a reference to

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Magical practice

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Warding was a means

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay so are these two separate topics

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I think so

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_09]: That's what was throwing me off

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I thought originally she was talking about

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Magical warning but it was definitely

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Warding in the sense of Theon being

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Sent to ward with Ned Stark

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Where

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_05]: But he was also a

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: A hostage

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah he was

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_09]: But then also you have

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: He was still being fostered

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah but also if you want to go for

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_09]: A less hostage you have Darren

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_09]: In the current show warding at

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Old Town with his uncle

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Right this definitely feels

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Like kind of content that Anthony would cover

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: On

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: His podcast where he talks to

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Scholars about that kind of stuff

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So to follow through

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Warding was a means

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Of creating a protected space

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Through the setting of wards

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Which would be strictly

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Mental magic images

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Or actual physical artifacts

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_05]: There would definitely be some energy

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Raising and channeling involved in the process

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: But once the wards were set

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_05]: They were usually considered to remain

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_05]: In place

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: In this instance the long term warding

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Comes from the concept of warding off harm

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yours in historical

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And arcane, Maryland

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Maryland is the most

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Loyal

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Feedbacker that I've ever met

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Because she even writes in what she does

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And wants to freaking show

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Good for you Maryland

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Always a pleasure to hear from you

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And I spent a long time talking to you last night

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_09]: It was lovely

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I was just about to make a joke

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_05]: About a

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I believe it's a 3 minute and 50 second

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Trailer video for Rings of Power

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And we spent 2 hours

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Talking about it

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Not the longest we've gone

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But then if you factor in the prep time

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_05]: That each of us individually put into

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Watching and breaking it down

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And putting a little show guide together for it

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: We're crazy

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Abby on the discord

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So the tapestries are the same

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_05]: As last week with the

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Rook's Rest Battle included

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Which makes sense as nothing major

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Happened

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Damon's hallucinations are hard to render

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And threaten

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Very true

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Very true

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Looks like we have a voicemail

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_05]: From our very own

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Hand of the pod Nancy

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We do here we go

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi Lorehounds I thought I would leave

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Another voicemail message

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Since I just got off discord and encouraged everyone

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: To send voicemail memos

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just listening to another of the many

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Hot D

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Podcasts that I listened to, The Cast of Kings

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And Kim Renfrew

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's one of the co-hosts

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And also an author of a book

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: About Game of Thrones

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Which I very much recommend

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Noticed that in

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: The opening sequence tapestry

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: The image of Allison

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: In her green dress

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Arriving at Renier's wedding

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Feast has been removed

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen lots of comments about

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: How Allison wasn't wearing

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: A green dress this week

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But a blue dress

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's why they removed it

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Looking forward to listening to the feedback

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Episode

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Great thank you Nancy

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of strange to hear her voice

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Given that we talk with her all the time

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But we have not actually

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Heard from her

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Well last week she did a voicemail

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Did she? Yeah

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You know I was pretty phased out because of

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no I wasn't on the last week one

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Because of the location

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh you're right that was Alicia

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_09]: So I guess this would be the first time

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_09]: You heard her if you didn't listen to last week's podcast

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: We should

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm whispering to you

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Should we have her on for the final feedback episode?

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Invite her on for the segment

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah I think so

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright let's talk

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright the cinematographers

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Oil on canvas

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I believe this is referencing all the beautiful images

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That we've had

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Zero Ducks

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Who is I believe a newer user on our discord

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But has been very active

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And great to see lots of great comments

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And fun takes

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Zero Ducks says

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I see four places of amazing framing

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_05]: In the cinematography

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_05]: When Damon steps out of Heron Hall

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Into the Weirwood courtyard

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_05]: The door frames the tree and Damon

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes absolutely I also caught that one

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a really great shot

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Because the archway perfectly frames the tree

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_05]: When Damon steps out onto his balcony

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_05]: He and King's Landing

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Are framed in the doorway

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Aha very good one

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think you snipped that one for the

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Show Guide John

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The end shot with Reneera

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragonstone and the three dragons

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Epic

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's it there's a ring of truth

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_05]: About these particular shots

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_05]: The shot with Reneera in the dragon pit

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_05]: With Verma Thor behind her

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Another epic shot that was an incredible one

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_09]: The only one I missed was the Damon one

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It went by really quick

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I tried to screenshot it but I was like

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh because I was doing my rewatch

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And I kept posting notes in the discord

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was like oh okay I'm going to just flood

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: People I gotta stop

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: This was a big week for cinematography

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I love that they're building character

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_05]: While creating such beauty

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Individuals at the same time

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: The costuming, the cinematography

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_05]: The acting, the script

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_05]: The effects, every element is elevated

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And excellent

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It was so fun to watch the show

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Created with such expertise and care

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: 100% agree

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It really does make for a really

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_05]: All round

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Viewing experience, watching experience

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_05]: When we have all of these different

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Elements working

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Together to make a really great production

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright, Abby again

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_05]: By email

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I can hardly believe the next episode is the last

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_05]: You and us both, Abby

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think John how you doing

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you, you've been running a marathon

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Between the Acolyte

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And this, I'm sure you're ready for it

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_09]: It's almost done. I'm taking a break

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_09]: In August for like a week

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And I already have a pre-recorded podcast

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_09]: For it so it's not like there will actually be

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_09]: A break on the feed but I'll be taking a break

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah we won't be missing you in an hour

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I think you too, you're taking a break the same week

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I will be

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Away but I'm not like a full break

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm taking a break

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I'm around a little bit

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And we've got some alien stuff coming so

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm trying to get that back together

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, this was all

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_05]: In an excellent show

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Of television, the season out

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Doing the former one in terms of visuals

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree with all the gushing praise

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_05]: David said on the subject

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for the great coverage

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: In this hot, lore, summer

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Greetings from Abby

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright so this is again

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of times Nancy will take people's emails

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Apart and break them apart depending

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: On subjects so this feels like

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_05]: The tail end of her email

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk a little plot

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Lay

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: For

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Cake, layer

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_05]: For layer cake, what is that?

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_09]: How do you read that? I think it's layer cake

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Just with numbers in it

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right, it's like pond

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Or own kind of thing

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been saying layer cake on the pot and nobody's correcting me yet

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, alright, this is the first time I'm seeing layer cake

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, this was last week

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I think layer cake joined the discord

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it, hey layer cake, thanks for writing in

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Discord

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Direct message, oh check out

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Nancy's getting direct messages now

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_05]: General feedback for episode

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I love the fact that Nancy's doing all this

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_05]: This is great

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_05]: The stage is set for potentially wild

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Season finale next week

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got Aemond on

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And Vagar and a

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Massive army on one side

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_05]: On the other side we've got Raniere

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And some dragons and a ramshackle group of teens

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And amateurs who can fly with her

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe Daemon too

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: If he ever comes home from the damp

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Haunted castle, he's been shuffling around

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_05]: For half the season

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of hope he doesn't

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That's from layer cake's aside

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_05]: The real question is whether we're

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Looking at dragons or diplomacy

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_05]: To end the season

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_05]: In real life, I would pray for peace

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_05]: As a viewer of this wonderful television show

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I need to see those suckers

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Screeching bloody hell through the clouds

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And ripping each other apart

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's complicated

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_05]: John, I think you might have to waffle a little bit here

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't you? For a house

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_09]: There's a waffle sticker now

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_09]: So I can hide behind that sticker

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_09]: All I want

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I do want to say something

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_09]: So David, I don't know if you were aware

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_09]: But a lot of the episode leaked on Tiktok

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh no!

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of episode 8 leaked on Tiktok

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_09]: That's crazy!

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_09]: In clips

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I would say about 30 minutes of the episode

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Is available in clips on Tiktok

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I have not watched them

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_09]: But people are like drawing a lot of conclusions

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_09]: From them

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think it's a lot of stuff out of context

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that we should all

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Take it with a grain of salt

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_09]: If you come across it

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm not even going to watch them

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I don't want it to ruin my experience on Sunday

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_09]: But I just want everyone to be aware

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_09]: That that is out there

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to give you three subreddits to avoid right now

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Free folk

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_09]: HOTD greens

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_09]: HOTD blacks

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Do not go on any of those subreddits

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if there's more, those are three that I know

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Are openly talking about the leaked content

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Don't go to those

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Don't look things up on Reddit

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I would even be costless on Twitter for the next few days

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just don't even google

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Anything

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I know like one big spoiler

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_09]: For the finale but with being a book reader

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not as big of a deal

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_09]: I would just be really careful out there folks

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_09]: That's all I wanted to say

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Well my twitter feed

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Is filled with coconuts

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Not with dragons

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_05]: At least I'm okay on that site

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Are you bathing in the context?

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I am

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I am but

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_05]: The news is so weird these days

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That I can't handle it

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm trying to

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Stay away from social media

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_05]: In general, it's very hard though

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Fair enough, fair enough

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Every day brings new surprises

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright, so we go to zero ducks back

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see here

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Everything that's happened so far has been predictable

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Because of the careful foreshadowing

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Of the creators of the show

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So Damon and Aimen got to have

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_05]: A showdown eventually

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So fingers crossed for that

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I really do want to see those

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_05]: To have a

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Face off

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Wafo, wafo, wafo

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Excellent, I love it

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_05]: By the way, if you're on the discord

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And you want to use this sticker

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_05]: There are a bunch of stickers

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just down right next to the gift button

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And the emoji button in your chat bar

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_05]: You can click, there's a little sticker thing

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And you can throw wafos and

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Some other stickers out there

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Internet point hotlore summer

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, good times

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Have fun

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Pacing, let's talk a little bit of pacing

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Double T in Melbourne, Australia

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Haven't heard from Double T in a while

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_05]: How are you Double T?

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Good to hear from you, seven blessings

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Pretty good episode with some intriguing

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragging developments, however

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a shame that the show doesn't seem

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_05]: To be more on board with the Game of Thrones

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_05]: An ultimate banger episode

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I agree

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree too

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: What it could have done

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: With is far more of Allison

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Walking, swimming, floating

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: More walking, serious question

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think the three leads

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Cook, Smith and Darcy are paid

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And contracted to appear in all episodes

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And that this has become a weakness

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: On the show? Yes

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I do think that

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And I do think it's particularly noticeable

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_09]: With Matt Smith

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_09]: It is what it is

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It is part of

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Show episode

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Contracts where

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You can be contracted for a particular number

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Of episodes

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Usually they

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_05]: On an ongoing

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Show, it's a different

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Way that they come up with that

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_05]: If you figure something like

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Happy Days

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Or

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: All in the family, I don't know, I'm just going back to some old ones

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Where they had a set number

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Of episodes for the years running

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Only 47 episodes a year

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly, right, and then

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Certain characters would be recurring

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: They would be contracted for a certain number

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But with this kind of

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Prestige drama

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how they do it

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But I really

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I would be really sad

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_05]: If that actually came through

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel it with Smith more than anything

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Although Allison, I'm starting to feel it with

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Mmmmm

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_09]: This episode felt a little nothing burger

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, anyway

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Carrying on with

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Double T's email, in my opinion Allison

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Should have taken

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_05]: An episode off this week

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Damon's story this season

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Would have also been better served by appearing

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: In say four episodes rather than

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: All seven

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_05]: In both cases, but would we complain then

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Like where's Damon? What's happening with Matt Smith?

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_09]: If the story is compelling and moving

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and if he fucks off

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Because that's what his character did

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Then it's okay for him to be gone for a few episodes

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_09]: The Hound was gone for like three seasons

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And we cheered when he came back

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a really good point

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_05]: If we had lost touch with him

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_05]: For like a couple of episodes

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And then he pops up in Heron Hall

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And all this kind of stuff is going on

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And he suddenly has an army or something like that

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That would be kind of cool

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: In both cases it feels like

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Padding out screen time

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: To service these main characters

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Which has impacted the pacing of the season

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_05]: In some cases weighed down

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Some otherwise excellent episodes

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you say, David and John?

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Spelled with

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, did he spell?

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_09]: You're a Targaryen, I'm an Andal

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm spelled like an Andal

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_05]: J-O-N-N, oh I see it now

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you see that's much more

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Like John Comington style

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect, so he spelled my name

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_05]: D-A-E-V-E-D

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And John is J-O-N-N

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Why do you get to be a dragon rider

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And I have to be some dark haired

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Dark haired nobody

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it, thanks, Devletie

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Good to hear from you

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Abby N, the actress playing Allison

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Is amazing so we have to give her something

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: To do in every episode just like with Matt Smith

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: She is now an

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Instrument to showcase the costume

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Designers and cinematographers

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Dedication

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Sir Richard is a stand-in for the audience

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Psy, what are we doing?

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Abby always with great

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Metacommentary

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: The tangled roots of family

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Trees is the next subject

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That we have here, Chris M

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: By email

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragon Seed parentage

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you're accidentally conflating

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh hold on, hold on

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I need to just, I just need to say

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_09]: This is, I renamed

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_09]: This section in part

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_09]: To the John was wrong about Sarah

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Section

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's just get it out of the way

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_09]: The minute that I

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Stopped recording that podcast

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, I feel like I got something wrong

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_09]: But I'm not going to go back and fix it now

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And boy

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Did everyone tell me how wrong I was

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I definitely misremembered

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_09]: What Hugh said about his back story

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_09]: He did say

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I believe he said

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_09]: You know what, why don't you tell them what he said before

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I say it wrong again?

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_09]: He said my mother's brother's boys

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Meaning that he would have been the uncle

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry, that

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Hugh's mother would have been the aunt

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Of the Sarahs and Damon

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_09]: So this would

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Line up generationally

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_09]: With

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Sarah, now Sarah I keep saying this name

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Was a Targaryen princess

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_09]: She was not a bastard

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_09]: She was a Targaryen princess who was

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_09]: As far as the

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Standards of this world, I'm not passing judgment

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_09]: A bit, a bit per-misquious

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's say

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And got herself into a lot of trouble

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_09]: She ended up going across the narrow sea

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And going full time into that business

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_09]: So I guess people are saying

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, if she was doing sex work

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_09]: It is possible that she was Hugh's mother

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Now I will poke another hole in this theory

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_09]: That doesn't quite dismiss it

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Which is that it was also said in the

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Writings that

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_09]: The bastard sons of

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Sarah came to the great council

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Where the Sarahs was crowned

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And tried to make their claim for why they should have been there

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_09]: And Hugh was, as far as we know

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Hugh was unknown to this

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_09]: But that doesn't mean she couldn't have had a fourth bastard

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Right? Like I do think

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_09]: That there is

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_09]: An argument to be made for this

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think we're going to get an answer on the show

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Or do we need one, but I just

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Want to say, sorry everyone

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_09]: You were right, it could be Sarah as his mom

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we've got

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Several emails and discord messages

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Several pages of feedback

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_05]: About this so

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if we should just yada-yada through this

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Because it's basically just

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to scan through really quick?

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I do want to make sure that

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: All the people who did take the time

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Who were, you know, engaged

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's everyone

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's everyone here except Nate

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Here's what we're going to do

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_09]: You start with Nate and I'll make sure

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_09]: That nobody else has a point other than this

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Previous ones, okay, sounds good

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright, so Nate said on discord

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Just when I resigned myself to the idea

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_05]: That dragon bonds are a mystery

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Might be bogus

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We don't know at all why they choose

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe the story of having

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Targ blog doesn't matter

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_05]: We have all kinds of

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Random speculation as to why

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Three new dragon riders are dragons

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm complaining about

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Other pods here, but I'm really annoyed

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_05]: With the idea that oh well

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_05]: The Valyrians are Valyrian

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So they must be able to ride dragons too

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_05]: No, if that's the case

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Why didn't Coralus ride a dragon

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Or why didn't they give

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Seltgar a shot since the

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Seltgar's are Valyrians as well

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Ulf and Hugh have identifiable

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_05]: If unorthodox Targaryen bloodlines

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: If being a Valyrian was enough Coralus

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Wouldn't have had to make the comment

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know about your mother's lineage

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It's clear he's doing the math

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And thinking she must have

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Had Targaryen somewhere

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It may be the case that you don't

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Need Targaryen blood, but the show

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Is telling us that the characters

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Still think you do

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Cool, yeah I agree

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's good to clarify

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_09]: That the Targaryens have the

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Dragon Rider ability

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think Sadie

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Is going to chime in here too

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: At the very least the characters still think

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Targaryen blood is needed to be a Dragon Rider

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: As for Coralus, this looks like it's a response to Nate

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: As for Coralus though

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_05]: His family aren't Dragon Riders

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's probably just as likely

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_05]: To have some distant Targaryen ancestor

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: As Adam's mom is

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: If not more likely given how

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_05]: The house is intermarried

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: On Old Valyria

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is something

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of from the

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Me, the casual show

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Or non-book reader guy

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Or non-deep

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Deep history

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Backstory stuff

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of like it

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Being vague and a little bit mysterious

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Not in the sense of

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It gives the writers a little bit more wiggle room

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_05]: To muck about with plot

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It just seems like it would be a very

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: How would we know that? The only way to know it would be

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_05]: To do some testing

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Like we did

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_05]: With the end of this episode

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Where the dragon is like

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Nope, I don't want any of these people

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But this one and this one are fine

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_09]: So I just also want to say

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I think the most important thing is that

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_09]: The small folk are going to see this

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And say that guy was

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_09]: A drunkard in the tavern yesterday

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And he's riding a dragon today

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_09]: What makes the Targaryen so special

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Even if he is a bastard

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I do think it matters that you're going to have people

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Without the Targaryen name now

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Writing dragons

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_09]: I did highlight, I went through

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I highlighted all the people who I think

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Just corrected me

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I just want to tag something on the end

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Of the Targaryen blood conversation

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_05]: They have shown us consistently

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_05]: On screen

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_05]: When a human

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Makes whatever this connection is

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_05]: With a dragon

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Be it their dragon or another dragon

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Because

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Reneara does it with

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_05]: What's the name of the big dragon at the end there

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Vermithor

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_05]: She's like, gotcha bro

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And the dragon's like, yep gotchu sister

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_05]: They're consistently telling us

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_05]: On screen

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_05]: That there is some sort of vibe

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That the

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm not going to get into it today

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Not today anyway

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, we're cool

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: So there is something, right

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_05]: There is something that's happening

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_05]: There is some sort of metaphysical connection

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_05]: That's happening between these two beings

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Between these two entities

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_05]: What, how mechanically

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_05]: M-count anyone? No never mind

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Moving on

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So what was your

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I've highlighted the people who

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I believe just

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Corrected me and did not add anything else

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_09]: So I just want to give them credit for

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Writing in a correction

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Chris M. Julian from Texas

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Nicole B. Jordan M

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_09]: You all thank you

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_09]: For honor I mentioned for writing in with the

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Correct information

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I left in some people who I think had a little bit

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Other, some kind of

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Tengential points to add so those are underneath

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Jordan starting with Julian

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, okay, and again

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you everyone for writing it

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: We don't want to be dismissive of your emails because we know

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure, yeah, I just want to make sure that we're

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Listen guys, we've recorded a lot of podcasts

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_09]: So we have to make sure that these move along

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_09]: A little bit

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_05]: We have other things to do too

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_05]: With our lives, like sleep

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Julian R. E-mail

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I just listened to the House of R podcast for episode

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_05]: 7 and the 2 hour and 26 minute

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark, my God

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_05]: They're like running 3 hours but hey they're at least

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Their full-time podcasters exactly

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Full time with support staff

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Mind you there with engineers

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And producers

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_05]: See at the 2 hour and 26 minute

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark they start speaking about this topic

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Joanna says that

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: The actor who plays Hugh

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Kieran Boo confirmed

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_05]: In an interview that Hugh is in fact

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Sarah's son. She didn't mention

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Which interview though so I still can't list it

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry that just about clears it up

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I hope you guys have great week

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Looking forward to next week's

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Season recap

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Kieran, I hardly know him

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't know

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah sure, if that's true in the show

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_09]: So Sadie had a good point and it kind of brings

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_09]: What I was saying earlier so why don't you

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Bring that in

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: 100% agree it's Sarah for the show purposes

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't think it tracks for the

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Book because it says that

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Sarah's three bastard sons

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Put forward claims to the great council

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course Hugh could be

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_05]: A later born son but none

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Is mentioned in the book and

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_05]: His parentage is just

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Unknown

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah I think it's likely

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_09]: In the show especially with what Julian

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Saying and the book wise

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a little sloppy but it might work

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I moved up Michael's voice message

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I actually think if it's best

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_09]: In this section so why don't we play that here

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, hey guys just want to give my

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Real reason thoughts on House the Dragon

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Love in the show

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And just can't believe the world's

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_06]: End of the season

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_06]: The thoughts of this episode is just

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_06]: A thought on dragon lore and just at least how

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_06]: At least it comes out to

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Swinging your leg over a dragon

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Or claiming a dragon

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Is I think it all really comes down to

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Vibes

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_06]: It's 100% like I think

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Airbays like worried about oh it's the blood

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh it's this I was like I think you need to

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Have the respect of the dragon

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Because you fit that type of dragon

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the wing went after

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't give the dragon the egg

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Because they're both kind of just chill

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_06]: They just like to have fun kind of sort of

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_06]: It seems like and hey guess what

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_06]: They fit together because we saw

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_06]: That so we're just kind of sleeping

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Just kind of doing its own thing

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Fun's off comes in and it's like

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh hey you seem to fit right

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_06]: With the issue

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Getting

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Vermithor it is a

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Dragon that is challenging

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Almost everybody that's there

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Killing everybody in the second

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: That is find someone that is going to challenge it

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Back

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_06]: It's

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Respects that it lets him

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Claim him and

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_06]: When we get to

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Seasmoke

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Atom was perfectly like

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_06]: You remind me a lot of

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Leonor

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just telling you I'm saying the name right

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_06]: If not whatever

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_06]: But

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I think all it comes down to is

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Moominly vibes

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Karaxis is crazy

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_06]: That's why Damon was able to claim

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And then

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_06]: All the young dragons make sense

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Like all the dragons that were raised

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_06]: With their riders

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course they're kind of similar personalities

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Because they're around each other

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_06]: So it does make sense to me

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_06]: But that's just my thoughts on it

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_06]: When I hear Rachel thinking

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Looking forward to the season finale

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it's going to be crazy

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Nice well thank you Michael

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_09]: That's an interesting aspect

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Is just match the vibe of the dragon

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_05]: We've definitely seen that

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And good to hear from you Michael

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It's been a minute since we've heard from you

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_05]: We do see a baby

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't we see a baby dragon playing

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_05]: With some of the kids

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_05]: At the Vale

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And they talk about that

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And I remember when

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Aegon shows up

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And what's Aegon's

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragon's name?

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Sunfire

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Like chest butts him

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Like hey man I haven't seen you so long

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Where you been like they really are

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Bonded in that way

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't disagree

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_05]: That you do have to match a dragon vibe

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I think if you show fear

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Right that's certainly something

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But then I'm also thinking

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_05]: That there is some sort of metaphysical contact

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you need a little bit of both

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_05]: You need an M count

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And a attitude

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah Tim you're dragging over there David

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes I keep hearing the

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Dragon thrashing into the microphone

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragons

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Hashtag dragons are cats

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And my cat just came in

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Trying to eat microphone cables

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And pencils and

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Wanting pets and yeah

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Now how did you bond your cat maybe we can get some

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Insight into the dragon bonding

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Treats, sorry about the treats

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And the pets

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And the pets

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_09]: So the next topic Nancy prepared for us was

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Dragon seed hunger games or divine selection

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_09]: By the gods

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Right let me scroll down here because my cat

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Actually kicked my keyboard

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll start

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_09]: How about that? Zero Ducks

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Says I was disappointed

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_09]: To see the ruthlessness of Reneara

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_09]: As she watched the small folk burn

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Her expression was inscrutable

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_09]: But I think her way of coping

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Is believing it's all ordained

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_09]: By the gods convenient excuse

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_09]: For atrocities throughout history

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Indeed you had brought up David

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_09]: The whole idea of a lot

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Of people talking about willing from the gods

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_09]: This episode

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Right yep yeah I was just going to say

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_05]: That just that whole idea

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Of you know fate destiny

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Inshallah

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you know we're sort of swept up

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_05]: In things that we don't we're a writer

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_05]: On the river we don't really have a lot

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Of ability to paddle and set our own

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Course

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And at the same time

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this whole thing about

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Reneara and the

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Next evolution

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Of her coming into her

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Queenliness

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_05]: To her rulershipness

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Is demonstrated

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_05]: By this fact that she is willing

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: To sacrifice a bunch

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Of small folk for her aims

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I don't think she would have done that

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: A couple of episodes ago

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to bring in I'm going to jump

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Two feedback back and then I'm going to

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Bring it back to Nate

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_09]: But Sadie wrote in kind of

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Kind of a funny defense

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Of this whole strategy

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Sadie says I've been thinking about the dragon selection process

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it serves a few purposes

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_09]: In universe that may have led

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Team Black to do it this way

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_09]: One it eliminates any green spies in the bunch

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_09]: That made me laugh

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a good point

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Two prunes the family tree

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I can't

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Good dark point

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Three once Vermithorne Silverwing pick riders

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_09]: You don't want a bunch of people who think they could

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Possibly ride a dragon, they could be a threat

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I think

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_09]: The people who are riding the dragons have a bigger threat

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Four if you go one at a time

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_09]: What if the dragon settles for someone early in the line

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_09]: But there's someone better later

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay this one might be dumb

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry that was Sadie's commentary by the way

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not calling Sadie's comment tough

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Five the guards themselves getting roasted

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Less witnesses

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_09]: To the roasting of the small folk

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Many reasons I think

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_09]: This scene is showing us something about

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Raniera and how since talking to Alice

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Into the steps she is starting to think her claim

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Is supported by the gods or something along those lines

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Initially I had said

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Why aren't they vetting these people before

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Letting them try for a dragon

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_09]: At least do a few rounds of interviewing

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_09]: But now I'm realizing

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Raniera let the dragons

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Slash gods do the vetting and whoever they choose

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Is intended to be

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Is intended by gods

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Like Adam said to her

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Sacrifices for a higher purpose etc

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Damn Sadie

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Remind me

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Not to put Sadie in charge of like

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_09]: A recruiting effort

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_05]: What's the

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Princess Bride line

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_05]: About Sicilians

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Never go against a Sicilian in a battle of wits

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_09]: When death is on the line?

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the one I think Sadie has got

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Some she must have some

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Blood in her she must have a big ass count

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Because she is thinking very critically

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_05]: About how this works

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And I basically don't disagree

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_05]: With any of these

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Do not mess with Sadie

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright we've learned that lesson

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Shall we do Nate?

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_09]: You want me to keep going for a little bit?

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Nate says

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Seems to be a lot of consternation about Raniera

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And her willingness to throw small folk to the dragons

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm conflicted here

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Everyone seems to be really ready

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_09]: To defend Raniera

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Can I just say that?

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_05]: On the one hand

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Well we've been with her the whole time

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_05]: We've been rooting for her and suddenly she's like

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: You know feeding

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Feeding

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Good, good palpy

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been practicing all season on the Echolite

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Carry on

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_09]: On the one hand she's doing this to gain

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Dragon superiority and at least

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_09]: In her head end the war quickly

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_09]: To avoid more death and destruction

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Very we have to drop the bomb to avoid

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Invading Japan and more people dying

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Vibes as a historian of Japan

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_09]: That in itself is a problem

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Problematic discussion but not relevant for now

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_09]: She warns them

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_09]: That death is highly probable

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_09]: And even if they live their lives will be different

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_09]: No one was compelled to show up

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think Raniera is correct

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_09]: In that there's little choice other than to find new riders

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_09]: The pep talk is honest

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_09]: You might die but you might find glory in end the war

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_09]: On the other hand

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Once they move on to the dragon runway

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_09]: That's it, they can't change their minds

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Raniera has guards posted and even some of those guards try

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Those guards roast

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Trying to hold the dragon seeds back from running

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure what the thinking is here

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And it does make her seem really ruthless

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_09]: She doesn't give them any choice

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_09]: From the moment they go out to the dragon runway

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe not even after her pep talk

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I found this a bit out of character

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And don't know what to think about it

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_09]: It undercuts her, I'm for the people

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Stick a bit

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_09]: But also I can see it as a necessary evil decision

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Well Sadie had a lot of fun

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of responses to that

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I think there's a good summation

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Of the or a synthesis of a bunch of stuff

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_05]: What's going on

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Raniera

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_05]: As a ruler

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Is evolving, she's changing

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_05]: As the demands of the war are

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Mounting and she's doing the calculus

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And doing all those things

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_05]: She sees

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_05]: The narrowing of the pathways and choices

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That she has before her

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And one of her calculations is

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragon superiority

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_05]: As Nate points out in this email

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_05]: She needs butts on seats

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_05]: On those dragons

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And if that means a few folk

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_05]: For a larger

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Sacrifice a few folks

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_05]: For a larger outcome

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the calculation she's weighing

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_05]: We can argue with it, absolutely

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_05]: In that position I think from a television standpoint

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_05]: From a storytelling standpoint

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_05]: From a

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_05]: What are stories

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_05]: How is that illuminating

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_05]: The things that we wrestle with

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_05]: As real people in the real world

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_05]: This is exactly

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The kind of stuff that makes us think

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And go, hmm, yeah

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Really difficult decisions

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_05]: She's making the choices that she needs to make

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunate if you're one of those dragon seeds

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_05]: But they were

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Offered to come

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And like he says

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_05]: He sums everything up pretty nicely in this

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that once the

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Once we went down onto the dragon runway

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_05]: That's it, you're locked in

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Some got through actually

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember watching on my rewatch

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_09]: What's going on with them now? Is there a therapy program?

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Very good point

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but yeah, no, I think this is all

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: A good summation of the

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Issues involved

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Right

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Whiskey Nate had a comment

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Said

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Can we take a moment and consider the ramifications

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Of Renea going all the dark knight joker

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_09]: On the Targaryen bastards by locking them in

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_09]: With the fiercest dragon in the land

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Especially how it will sit

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_09]: With someone like Hugh Hammer

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Who seems to be honorable and principled

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_09]: And is now the writer of said dragon

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't know anything about Renea

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_09]: And may consider her actions

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Abhorrent and tyrannical

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_09]: It's interesting, right? Because

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I believe

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_09]: It was part of Nate's comment that

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_09]: He said

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_09]: She has a shtick of for the people

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Right now, but at the same time

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_09]: We saw her very dismissive of the

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Common people in season one

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_09]: And so far

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I've only seen her

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Be dismissive personally of the small folk

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_09]: It's Missaria who's

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Saying hey you need the small folk

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_09]: To win. She is the voice

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_09]: In her ear saying go help

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_09]: The small folk

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I think

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Season one

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_05]: She

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_05]: When we started, she was a girl

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: She was a kid. Yeah, so we can excuse

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Some of it for naivety. Yeah, I shouldn't say

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: She was a girl. I should just say

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_05]: She was an immature

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, not mature person

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, she was a teenager. Yeah

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So different

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Understandings and calculus

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Now she's had family

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Been married a couple of times

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Seen some stuff

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And now has the weight of the crown

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: On her head. And

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_09]: She does say things like

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_09]: The noble houses have codes

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And honor and things like that

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_09]: She does still have this class's bias

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to say

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_09]: That's not there. I think Missaria is

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_09]: The one pushing this whole pro

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Small folk agenda. Well

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_05]: She even says to Jace

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, well what legitimacy do we have?

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_05]: She says, well we're the rightful rulers period

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_05]: End of story. That's it. Right

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_09]: So Alicia

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know her, but

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_09]: She seems to be around here. Oh, okay

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_09]: She seems to hang around here sometimes. Somebody on Twitter

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I talked, I think I'd trade messages

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Long ago. Very active on Twitter of time

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright, so Alicia says

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what the guards were doing

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Holding the people back from fleeing

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_09]: How does it serve any of them

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_09]: For more to die than necessary

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_09]: At the very least some may want to go

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_09]: At the other dragon

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I know the answer is that they didn't

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Leave more than an episode to do this so

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_09]: This story needed a mess calling

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_09]: But the guards got what was coming

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_09]: To them. I know, I know they were probably

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Following orders

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_09]: While the Nuremberg defense isn't going to help

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Them this time Alicia

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_08]: No

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Hilarious

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Paus and 20 says love this episode

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_09]: As a non-book reader I was wondering why

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_09]: We were following Ulf and Hugh but now

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_09]: We know the answer. Yeah

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Dragons are really mysterious and you never

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Know whom they bond with

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_09]: As we saw in this episode

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Really interesting

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_09]: That whole vermouth or scene was

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Fantastic also didn't expect Jace to behave

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Like that but of course he has been taught

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_09]: About the importance of dragons since he

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Was a child and now he sees commoners

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Riding them so

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Raniura now has seven dragon riders

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Including Damon and Jace

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Giving her a huge advantage over

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Aiment who has Vhagar and two small dragons

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Of Helena and Darren

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Going to be interesting to see

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_09]: How she's going to press her advantage

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Should we call it the T count?

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_05]: The T count? Yeah T is in Targaryen

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Targaryen count. Or should

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_09]: It be the V count for Valyrian

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh should it be V?

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that a more, would that be a more

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Propriet or else? Well because

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Because there were other non-Targaryen houses

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_09]: That could ride them in Valyrian

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay fair. D count?

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_09]: It could be

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_09]: We'll never know

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Good point here though

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That the seven on

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_05]: What do we got

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_05]: One, two, three

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Seven on three

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah that's huge even though

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Vhagar is massive

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_05]: You can take him down

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_05]: By it with just numbers

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Aiment saw that right? He saw that as

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_09]: He rode over to Dragonstone

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_09]: And he ran away. Yeah

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Athena A says Rhaenyra

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Certainly conducted this like a hundred

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Games match though very much

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_09]: May the odds be ever be in your favor

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Do dragons know

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Instinctively who they want as a writer

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Or is it just vibes at the time

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_09]: A friend and I were discussing it

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And got very different conclusions

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_09]: My feeling was that Vermithor was not

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Avoiding killing Hugh until Hugh

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Postured up and yelled at him

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Then Vermithor decided he liked

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Hugh's moxie and was like yes

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_09]: This is my human. My friend thought

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Vermithor was avoiding killing Hugh

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And was just killing everyone but him

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And then settled when Hugh showed up

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I think so

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Athena's point kind of

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Vibes with what Michael was saying

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_05]: In his email right that

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Hugh was like eff it right kill me

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Here I am I'm not afraid

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Of you and

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Vermithor was like okay cool let's row

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Right. You know let's go

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's all get real chill with it you know

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Real chill with the Burmese

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Vermithor was a little bit hungry too

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_05]: So you know wanted to snack on

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_05]: A few folks

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The um

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's I think

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_05]: The show doesn't give

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the show gives evidence for both

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And whether they did that intentionally or not

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think there is

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't feel like there is a waiting one way or another

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean that's Alan right

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh sorry Adam, Adam not Alan

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_09]: That's what happened to him

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Seashock sought him out

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Right exactly and did Seasoke

[00:54:14] Seasmoak

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Like have some sort of

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Seashells by the seashore

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Have some sort of radar and was like

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah that dude pinged on my

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_05]: My dragon sense before

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Let me go find him again

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You know like so how does that work

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I think they locked eyes from across the crowded room

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_05]: He did look up

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Longingly that one day

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Moriandee says it went by fast

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_09]: But it looked like Vermithor deliberately

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Knocked off down into the pit

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_09]: With Silverwing

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_09]: When he could have burned him or

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Eaten him makes me think

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_09]: He sensed something in him as well

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it was an accent

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But again it's ambiguous right

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Like we can

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We can interpret what we're

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Seeing here in different ways

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's cool, I'm down for it

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I like the vagueness of all this

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Right

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Abby says Vermithor just wanted someone

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Truly fearless and

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Scritches

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Scratch plus itches according to

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Nate a cute way of calling the

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Scratches you give a pet cat

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Hashtag dragons are cats

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Silverwing

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Was just lonely minding her business

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And okay the first guy

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Who fell into her nest of eggs

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Like I want a rider too

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Ulf got lucky

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Ulf proceeds to go show

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Off to his tavern buddies

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_09]: The odds were in his favor I guess

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_09]: For some dragon fathomable reason

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I am so happy that

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I finally understood most of what

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Was said in Hivealyrian without the subtitles

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh nice good job

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So the

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Zaldridjudiri

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Very good

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_09]: You can say Fangoradrim

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_09]: I can say Fangoradrim

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_05]: By the way if you're a Tolkien person

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely go listen to the podcast

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_05]: With John and

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Nobeda du Beda

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Wasn't he so good? He's so cool

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_05]: He's teaching courses on this stuff

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Amazing it's so cool

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Great guy, great and so knowledgeable

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Totally

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah very very nice person

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I hope we get to pop with him again

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway Abbey continues

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_09]: And said the dragon keeper's

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Mutinyd but Rhaenyra can

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Summon vermi for a chat on her own

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_09]: How badass is that

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Very badass

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_09]: This is her thing right? This is her hobby

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Her whole life

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You know and she's being a queen

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_05]: She's like okay I have dominion over

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_05]: These dragons and these people

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm going to use it and this is my whole

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Point of her evolution

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_05]: You know she's saying you know

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Basically behave verminthor serve

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_05]: To high-rass I think she says

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Something like that

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_09]: She really gives him a little

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_09]: A little bit of toad

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And then she gives him a little scritches on the nose

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_09]: You know so

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And then she says alright now pose for the picture

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright Nate is back in to say

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought for sure Ulf was getting torts and Hugh would

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Get a dragon also can I just say

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_09]: That as someone who spent a year in a war zone

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_09]: The scene between Hugh and Kat where she

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Says I don't want to be a lady

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I want my husband to stay alive

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Really hit

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Good point

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Alicia is going to close out the section saying

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_09]: This one has narrowly

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Ect past episode

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_09]: 4 as my favorite of the season

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Given how little time they

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Left for the sewing of the seeds this season

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I think one of

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I think one explosion of full carnage was the way to go

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I like how the show

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Is differentiating between the characters of Hugh

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_09]: The humble and Ulf the uh

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Despite them looking so much

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I like to me

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure there were many others

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_09]: In that pool of blondies who deserve civil ring

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_09]: More though

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm very excited to see the team dynamics

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_09]: When the dragon riders gather next week

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_05]: At Deut Runeer's

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_05]: School of Magical Dragon Writing

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it's going to be

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_05]: A little bit of a shit show how you got

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Gotta strap these people in

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_05]: The dragon's got to play nice

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a tricky thing

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I posted a DVD cover

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Of how to train your dragon in the discord

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_09]: We're having fun

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_09]: We're having fun in the discord

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright David let's take a quick break

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_09]: When we get back we will

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Get to the second half of our feedback

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_09]: We'll be right back with more House of the Dragon

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_09]: And we're back with more House of the Dragon

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Would you like us to take us into the next section David?

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I was just going to offer

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Should you trust a dragon seed with a dragon

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_05]: A big question that you posed

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of folks are talking about

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_05]: DJ Miwa our good friend

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_05]: In the discord said if the next episode doesn't start

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_05]: With Runeer swearing all the dragon seeds

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_05]: To Ose a fealty

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_05]: To her and to Jace

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Then I don't know what we're doing with our lives

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_09]: What are you going to do they have the biggest dragons

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess you could say

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Well she's trained

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Syrax more

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_09]: But at the same time Vermithor has been around a long time

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_09]: So he probably wouldn't need

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Anybody to guide him

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_09]: He knows how to fight

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_09]: He was a fighting dragon

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And it feels like

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_05]: To me Ulf is

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he'll serve

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he'll bend the knee

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_04]: He'll doharas

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes he'll doharas

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he will be loyal

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_05]: To Runeer I don't think he was very happy

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_05]: With the fact that they didn't take care of the small folk

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Back in King's Landing

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And if Runeer

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_05]: If the sacrifice

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Of the dragon seeds in that one moment

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Was as far as she sort of going

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But otherwise she's still trying to

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_05]: See good things

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_05]: For the common folk then I think he'll

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Stick around but that brings up a good point

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Because what happens when his values get challenged

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_05]: When he sees his ruler

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Make a decision

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That only she can make

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But yet he disagrees with

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Right in one of those

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Do we use this doomsday weapon

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_05]: In this limited capacity

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm thinking of Nate's posing of the atomic bomb

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_05]: In Japan

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That whole balance question

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Quote unquote balance question

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_05]: What if Hugh goes

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't agree with that

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think you're prosecuting this war very well

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I've got a big dragon

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a good

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_05]: A wonderful set of storytelling options

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Alicia

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Back again

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: One issue that was created

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: By turning the sowing of the seeds into a

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Mass calling in the TV show and I absolutely understand

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Why they did it is that it gives the feeling

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That they're not vetting anyone from the start

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is not necessarily

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The feeling I get from the book

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_05]: That also summarizes it

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course but it seems to have been

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_05]: A process that lasted a bit

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Not just everybody meet

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Bermuth or Bermuth or this is everybody

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Pick your fave

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I do like the element that they added though of

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Renea believing she's placing things

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_05]: In the gods the layering gods

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: For her

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: In the gods hands

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Is there a variance from

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: The book John yeah it's

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Just there it seemed to have been a little bit more

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Organized on the book that's all

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_09]: That's all

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Athena says I think there's a danger of elevating

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: People without vetting them for now

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Renea has dragon superiority

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But will those people remain loyal

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He seems to

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Despise the leadership at king's landing

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: For what happened to his daughter

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But now culpable

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_05]: But how culpable is Renea

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_05]: In all of that too and will he realize

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: That he seems to have an expectation

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Of what elevation

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Drag elevation to dragon riding

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Can get him but if Renea

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't make him a lord will he sell

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: His talents to someone that will give him a better deal

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Wolf is just another wild card

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We the audience knows

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a braggadocious and drunkard

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Where is his loyalty at the end of the day

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Athena

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Highlights all of these issues and I think it's

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Great storytelling material

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_09]: We're getting into points where I just

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to tell you

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Which direction these people will go

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_09]: So let's just keep moving on that one

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_05]: The importance of a good parking spot

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: For your dragon

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's true

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got a voicemail from Karen

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Want to play that one?

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I thought I had

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just listening to the pod and one of the guys

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Made the point about how

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Vagar takes a while

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: To get to and to mount

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: When Aamon goes to

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Jump on and investigate

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on with Silverwing

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: During episode 7

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to point out

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That we have also seen Renea

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Really quickly

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Run down and almost take

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a running start at Cyrax

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: When she heard about Seasmoke

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Having a rider so

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like the people at Dragonstone

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Have super quick access to just do

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a running start

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: They can do that 5 minute pilot

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Ready to go thing with their dragons

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas King's Landing

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Is not set up that way

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like it was really deliberate

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: To show that Aamon had to go

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He had to get on a horse, he had to ride somewhere

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Find Vagar

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Snoozing in

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The brush as she does

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And then get on her to ride

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like they've made a point of showing

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Both of those last two episodes

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And that may come into play

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Strategically or

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: In some way that has to do

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: With battle at some point

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, yeah

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I like this idea that

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_09]: The blacks can mount

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Up their dragons faster

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_09]: They just have easier access

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_05]: We even hear when Reneara's

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_05]: In her library and her study there

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We can hear the rumblings of the dragons

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: At times

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_09]: It's Dragonstone

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And so yeah she can get down there

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it was me who mentioned

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_05]: That it would seem like boy if you've got to take that long

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And you have to, the king has

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_05]: To go out

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Of town, he's got to get through

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Not only get out of the red keep

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_09]: The Prince Regent, sorry

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's not promote him just yet

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright, yeah

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And then get all the way through

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: King's Landing to wherever the nearest

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Forest is

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Where

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Where Vagar can sit

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Then

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a problem

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think even in

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: King's Landing where is the dragon

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_05]: In Porium

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It's under the sept

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_09]: It's where Renea's just

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Destroyed half of it right

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Through the ceiling

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's not close by, but it nor was King's Landing

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And the red keep

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Designed for a ready five

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Stand by pilot

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_05]: There wasn't a need

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the first time they've actually needed to be able

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_05]: To have access to that kind of quick access

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: To their dragons

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Right

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Fair enough

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Neat says, as a former military

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Intelligence officer, this seemed like

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_05]: A huge opportunity to me.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Masariya's spy network should be observing

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And establishing patterns for

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Amond and other key greens

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: If they can pinpoint that Amond has to ride

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: From the keep to Vagar's

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Nappy time place

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Then that allows them to set up an ambush

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And kill him before he reaches Vagar

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Take out Amond, the greens are cooked

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Boom

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Totally agree

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of what I was trying to hint at

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_05]: In the last pod

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Was Aiman

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Lurled

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Lurved

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_05]: To King's Landing

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Nate again on the discord

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Watching, I assumed, Ulf's joyride

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Was Silverwing deciding to go

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Buzz the tower at King's Landing

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And Ulf is just holding on for dear life

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think this was planned at all

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Until I heard another podcast debating it

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_05]: They point out

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_05]: The point they made was that Raniro

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Waiting with the other dragons was so that

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_05]: When Ulf lured

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Lured, Aiman'd out

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Aiman'd would see that the blacks

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Have significant airpower advantage

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: At first I didn't think this made any sense

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Why show your hand

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_05]: But then I thought about Raniro's continual hope

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Naive, I believe

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_05]: That the war could be ended without bloodshed

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_05]: This is actually a good point

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd understood that as

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we'll

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Kill some people but it will be all over

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Quicker and so the

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_05]: In the long run it will be less death

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But she's idealistic and still

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Clinging to the hope that

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It really can be bloodless

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So perhaps it was an intention to draw

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Aiman'd out to have him see the dragons

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Advantage and recognize the greens

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Can't win and give up

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And if that's the case, I'm really really disappointed in her

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want her to

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Torch King's Landing

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But it seemed with the last episode

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: She'd finally realized that she had to

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Get down to business and fight

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: If this was an attempt to get the greens

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: To just give up

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Has she learned anything

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_05]: John, thoughts?

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I don't think this was intentional

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_09]: At all, this whole

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Going over King's Landing

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I think this was just him being a goofball

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I think he just lost control of Silverwing

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Silverwing just comfortable in King's Landing

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And flew over there and it kind of

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Made this a bit of a

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Situation. Right, I would

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I liked the thought

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I liked the general idea of the

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Debate of this other unnamed pod

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But the fact that if you're going to lure

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Aiman'd out like

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Like that, why not just kill him?

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you're gonna set a trap

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Just kill him. If there's no way

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_05]: That's it, that would be

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_05]: A stupid mistake

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_05]: To assume that Aiman'd

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Who you've known for a very long time

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Is not a bloodthirsty psycho

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And is no way

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_05]: When he sees a challenge like this

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: He's gonna back down? No, he's not that kind of guy

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think if you're gonna lure him out

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_05]: As they say, if you're gonna take a

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Shout at the King, don't miss, right?

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: You've gotta make sure that

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So if it wasn't intentional

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And if it was intentional, why?

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, okay

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: If it was intentional, why wasn't she on the

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Back of a Dragon?

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, to defend that

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I would say because

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_09]: He knows that she has Cyrax

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_09]: He does not know that the other dragons have Ryder

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, and if you're just trying to do a

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Show of force, then you don't need to be

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_05]: On your dragon. So no, I think it was

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Because she didn't see Ulf get on him

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Until maybe when he got on

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Silverwing just took off and went flying

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Wherever Silverwing was going to go

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_09]: That's what I think

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Abby says

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: The fear in Aiman's eye was a sight to see

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_05]: After mounting that horse like Legolas

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And going out to jump on Vagar

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_05]: With a determined face to do some more jump

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_05]: There came the

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Oopsie Daisy

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_09]: You think he's gonna do a shield

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Surf by the end of the season?

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Please God no

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Please dear God no

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about courting the

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: River Lords. Athena A says

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I would have preferred if Damon's

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Screentime had been actually courting

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_05]: The River Lords and maybe introducing us

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_05]: To the locations and the lands there

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That is strategically vital instead of all the haunted

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_05]: House shenanigans

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Pauson 20 says Damon and the River

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Lords scene was great. Oscar Tolly

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Seems like a good Lord with a sense

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Of justice and Damon

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Gained their support by killing Willem

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Blackwood. Abby says

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Oscar Tolly is serving

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Truths. He gives the

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Unamoriment vibes. There is one

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Young fierce person for every age

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It seems

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Any thoughts on

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Those

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that would have been nice to see wouldn't it

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_09]: But we got what we got

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_09]: At this point. I think

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Probably next season we'll see more of Damon

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Raising an army

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I do like the Leona

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Mormont vibe connection though

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That is for sure

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Seeing this young person sort of stand up

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Zero Ducks says Matt Smith's acting

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: In this scene is incredible

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_05]: The shifting power dynamic and the brilliant

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Maneuvering of Oscar Tolly

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Feeling many things. His face and body language

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Trails his thoughts

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Constantly

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I also notice they tend to shoot him from a

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Slight angle often

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Say more

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Which results in a sort of side eye effect

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_05]: This lends itself to the characterization of

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Damon as scheming

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh that's a really good take

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_05]: That's totally true. That's a really good way

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: To use the camera to tell

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Something about Damon's character

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I like it. I'm reminded of the small

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Council scene where he sort of

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Secretly smiling at Renea

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_05]: About the death of Jaehaerys

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_05]: This constantly with

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Even the shooting angles

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: On the characters is brilliant

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah good pick Zero Ducks, very good

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel a kinship

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: With Zero Ducks heroes

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's picking up the same visual vibes I am

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Damon is, well Matt Smith is an excellent actor

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_09]: A great facial actor

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You love

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_09]: A huge Matt Smith fan

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Huge

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Closing out the topic, Athena says

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Is there any significance to Damon's

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Spilling blood and accepting the oath

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Of Oscar Tully and the Riverman before

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_05]: The werewood tree

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I was wondering since they can be

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Sacred trees and the land is cursed

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Due to the werewoods being

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Felled supposedly

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, werewoods being felled

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Supposedly. Wondering if

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_05]: There was some additional meaning

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Or weight to an oath made

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_05]: In the shade of that tree

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_05]: There is actually an oak in

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Austin, Texas called the treaty

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Oak that Native American tribes

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Used to make the treaties or chords at

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And my husband actually proposed to me

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Under that tree so

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He made his oath there

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I would be interested

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_05]: If there was something symbolic or magical

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_05]: About that in the

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Lore. So any maesters

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_05]: If you've got some feedback let us know

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_05]: About that

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it is

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Whether they do anything with

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That, I still think it's an intriguing idea

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That blood is being spilled before this werewood

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you notice

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Those roots of that

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Tree are almost like octopus arms

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Rrupting out of the ground and then diving

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Back in. So that whole courtyard area

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Is within the confines

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Of that tree in some way

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I really like that idea

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Whether they'll do anything I don't know

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Right. Yeah, I agree

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_09]: I like all the werewood stuff

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I wish we got more of it in Game of Thrones

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And not just Bran staring off

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_09]: And watching his sister on a wedding night

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it would be interesting

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I would, if for as much

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Playing around the edges of dragon lore

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And dragon mechanics

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd love a little bit more around the tree

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that would be kind of cool and fun

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Unpopular opinion but the Targaryens

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Are a very small slice

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Of Game of Thrones

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And I would like to see more focus

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_09]: On other houses in a future show

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to see, I see people saying

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I want an Aegon the Conquest

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, Aegon the Conqueror show

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, why? We're doing this right now

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Guys, just enjoy where you're at

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Which will be really interesting to see

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: With the Dunkin' Egg series

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: To see if they actually explore the world

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: In that way. Well that

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Has a Targaryen in the name too unfortunately

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_09]: But it's not really the focus

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not really the focus, he's just a kid

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: They're out and about doing stuff

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright, Intelligence and Influence

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Nate says, Larris the Intelli-

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Intelligence Analyst

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Seen a lot of talk as to what the motives

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Are for not telling Aamond about the new

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragon Rider. I'm not going to say

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Any of them are wrong because they could be very well

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Right? Larris' motives are not aligned

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: With Aamond and withholding info

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Might be in his best interest

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: But as a former intel officer

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Myself my immediate thought

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: When

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yarnwood ran through

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: The convoluted story of how the information

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Got to him. Wait, what's the

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Guy's name? I don't have the

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Show guide up. The other council

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: The master of laws

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, that's Jasper Wild

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Jasper Wild

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So then I'm not sure why

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: The name's wrong here but anyway

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Ironwood is what he wrote

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's why it's a typo

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Ran through the convoluted story of how

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_05]: The information got to him was

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not passing that on until

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I can verify independently

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's unconfirmed rumor from

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Unvetted sources. What I do

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Is direct intel assets

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: To confirm. Oh what I do

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Is direct intel assets spies

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: To confirm. Surely Larris has

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Informance on Dragonstone. If not

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_05]: What's he even doing?

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_05]: The you tell him

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: No, you can tell him

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Back and forth was funny but I think it

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Has less to do with trying to hide from

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Amon and more to do with the

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Unconfirmed nature of the info and the fear

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Of what Amon would do if he tried to feed

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Him an unfounded rumor. On the

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Other hand Ironwood might have

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Been feeding it to Larris

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_05]: For him to tell Amon precisely so that

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Larris got the smackdown

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't, I'm not

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Worried about

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: The master of laws trying to

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Work over the master of whispers. I don't

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Feel like they're in conflict. They haven't told

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Us that already. I don't know, John, did you have

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Any thoughts on that?

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean this whole thing

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_09]: The back and forth is very much

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_09]: A whole but wait what if you put

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_09]: The poison in that cup because you knew

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_09]: That I would swap them together

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And you know it's very much the Sicilian

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_09]: In the Princess Bride. Second reference

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Like all over our space

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_09]: These days it's great. We got to do it

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Sometime we got to do it sometime

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Find an excuse for 11sies or

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Sometime but I just think

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_09]: It could be

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes end right? It could be

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_09]: That's not super solid

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Information. Let's not scare him yet

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_09]: It could also be

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't really like this guy very much

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_09]: So even if it is true, I don't want to give him that intel

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_09]: You know it can be a lot of things here

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't need to be one thing I think

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you're right. I think it's

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think Larris

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Not taking and grabbing the information

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Is very smart because he needs to

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Vet it first as

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Nate says here

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time if you can get

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Five or six long boats of dragon

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Seeds out of King's Landing and none

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Of your spy network picks that up

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: What are we doing here? Or maybe they did

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_09]: That's the question

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe they did

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't tell us. They didn't show us

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Larris didn't go oh my

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_09]: He just wasn't there

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Jean

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's that guy? He's a good friend of ours

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I think

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Listening to the pod and I for sure believe

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_05]: That while Misarya is working

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_05]: To further her nearest goal she's definitely trying

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_05]: To influence things to have a positive outcome

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Small folk 100%

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Totally agree with that

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And rounding out here

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Athena again I like the idea of

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_05]: What they're setting up with Misarya

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But I feel like they're under utilizing her

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_05]: She introduces the solution

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: To the dragon problem

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But some nitty-gritty intelligence would be nice

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like they've always made a point of

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Establishing spy master networks

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_05]: In Game of Thrones and I don't know

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_05]: What Laris is using. Litterfinger

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Used brothels, Varys children

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Misarya brothels and ladies

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Laris question mark

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Laris just has

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Regular old spy folk. I don't think he's got

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Any particular signature

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Right because oh well

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_05]: They did build him up earlier on

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_05]: With a little you know

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_09]: He had that firefly kind of

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing I don't recall the exact bug

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Somebody could write in with it

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I won't make any claims before I get at it again

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_09]: He had some kind of insect sigil

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_09]: And we haven't really seen that this season

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_05]: No which is unfortunate I would have liked

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_05]: To have seen him more before that

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright okay

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Looks like we have another voicemail

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh it looks like we have

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_09]: A piece of feedback that just came in

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_09]: From Mr. Braun

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no cure for being a cunt

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_09]: On Aamon

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes fair enough

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright you've got Kyle's voicemail loaded up

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_09]: An actual voicemail yes

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes here we go

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey Lorhan just a quick little

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Bit of feedback

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_04]: For this past week's episode

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been teetering this way for an episode or two

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But it appears

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm actually

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Rooting for Aegon

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I know I know I hate it as much as you do

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Also episode 7

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Had the perfect amount of

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Crispy Coal

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways thanks for the coverage

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Excited to wrap up this season

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Next week and have a good one

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_09]: And the perfect amount

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Of Crispy Coal is nothing

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah exactly I think that's the point

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_09]: We love it

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks Kyle

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see Mel

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_05]: On their posted message on our

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Patreon in the trailer

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_05]: For episode 7 there's a 2 second shot

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Of Aamon creeping on

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Helena did I miss it

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a seduction shot anybody else see that

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_05]: In the actual episode

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not see that in the episode

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if it'll show up in episode 8

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe they moved it in post but they didn't

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Adjust the trailer

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Could be

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah he needs

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: A dragon now that he's seen

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Those other dragons out there

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_09]: That's probably what it is right

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Hey Helena you're the only other one

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Get on your dragon right now

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Joan you want to read some feedback about

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Allison

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure Allison has some

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Fans and perhaps a tractor

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Allison

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Are you doing Elvis Costell I love that song

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a great song

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Nate writes in says

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Can I just say that it's lovely

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_09]: That Allison went and took a spa day

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And I hope she really gets a chance to relax

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Center herself and practice wellness

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Go live your best life girlfriend

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Agreed

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Zera duck says

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_09]: This is such an interesting character

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Development for Allison she seems to be

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Returning to herself her innocence in a way

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Perhaps I can't wait to see

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_09]: What she will end up doing

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I almost wonder if she'll come clean about

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Her mistaking Viserys words

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Although I can't imagine that would end well for her

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I agree I don't think there's a point at this point

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_09]: You know like what's it going to do

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_09]: What's it going to do except get her

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Probably executed or banished

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Right or people would just be like

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever we got dragons to fight

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And you mother

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Looked like a great

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Silent sister

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_09]: That seems to be

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Your retirement activity

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_09]: All right Susan B

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Says hi again Lorhounds

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_09]: In listening to the feedback discussion about

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Allison I have some thoughts

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Well I agree Otto was the primary cause of events

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_09]: That led to Allison marrying King V

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I do hold her largely responsible

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_09]: For the current situation all right

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_09]: We got some pushback on the pushback

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Well she was only a

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Teenager when she married King V

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_09]: She was basically following Otto's orders

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_09]: When it came to Reneara

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_09]: She held a ridiculous level of resentment toward her

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_09]: For not disclosing her relationship with Kristen Cole

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Technically Reneara

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Didn't even lie to Allison

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_09]: When she denied having slept with Damon

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_09]: She simply didn't correct Allison when she assumed

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_09]: She was still a maiden

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_09]: At that point Allison was the queen

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Well lies by omission

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Can still be lies

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's true it's true

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_09]: At that point Allison was the queen

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And her stepmother

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_09]: And they no longer had the close relationship

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_09]: They had as young girls

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_09]: So it makes sense that Reneara wouldn't disclose it to her

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Based on that quote

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Betrayal Allison

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Embarked on a decades long vendetta

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Against Reneara and her children

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And even recruited Kristen as her co-conspirator

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_09]: On another note

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure how Kristen was able to remain

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_09]: In the queen's guard after

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Having murdered

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Lenore Squire in front of all the lords and ladies

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_09]: In the realm

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_09]: The show skipped over that part so you have

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_09]: So if you have any information

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I would love to hear it

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Bottom line I'll just say

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_09]: It just seems like Allison shielded him

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_09]: It just seems like Allison took her

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_09]: That's my guard leave him alone

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep I agree

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_09]: She's like

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_09]: She's like Vaserys if you wish to keep calling me

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_09]: At the hour of the wolf

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Kristen Cole stays with me

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Bottom line Allison raised her children

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_09]: To hate their sister and nephews

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Told them repeatedly that Reneara would kill them

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_09]: If she ascended to the throne

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And called Reneara's children bastards

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_09]: At every opportunity

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Aemon even lost his eye because of it

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_09]: It's no wonder that her sons are less than stellar individuals

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Given the way they were raised

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah I want to add something there

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Don't we recall that

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Reneara literally offered a marriage alliance

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_09]: That would have allowed Helena to be queen

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Because Jace Helena would have been happier

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Jace would have been happier

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_09]: And the war

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Would have been totally sidestepped if Allison could

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Like put down her pride for a minute

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep they would have sealed that breach

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_05]: As we say

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_09]: King V's deathbed uttering

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Was a convenient excuse

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_09]: As she planned to put Aegon on the throne long before that happened

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Agreed

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_09]: She knew Aegon was unfit to rule

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_09]: And did nothing to in any way

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Prepare him for it

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_09]: She and Otto assumed they could control Aegon

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And they would be the rulers behind the scenes

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Yep

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_09]: If it was only after Aegon and then Aemon

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Refused to go along with those plans

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_09]: That Allison started to question things

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_09]: She's only upset now because it blew up in her face

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And now she's out in the cold with no power

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_09]: For someone who professes

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_09]: To have such strong faith

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_09]: She doesn't think of others unless it benefits her

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_09]: In some way

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Nor has she done anything to help anyone

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Including her family

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Though through Laris

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_09]: She put a hit out on Lionel and Harwen Strong

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright let's just be fair

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_09]: She didn't put the hit out

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_09]: He put the hit out

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that was another manipulation

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Of Laris right

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_09]: That was him saying I'm going to implicate you

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_09]: In my crime so that you feel

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Indedited to me

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It is the whole

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Will-know-one-rid me of this troublesome priest

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of thing

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah but I don't think it was even that much

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it was that much

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Right and what I was going to follow on with

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_05]: She said to him after the fact

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not what I wanted

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And he was like sorry sister

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're going to play the game of thrones

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: This is how it goes

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So he took her vague

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Rid me of this metal some priest

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_05]: To the degree

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_05]: But she didn't realize that she was

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Naive

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_09]: But she didn't even say rid me of Lionel Strong

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_09]: She said get my dad back

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_09]: She said I miss my dad

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_09]: So I think this is a stretch even there

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay fair enough

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright so she was also triggered

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_09]: And she said along with Misari and her people

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_09]: She was also triggered

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_09]: She also triggered Aegon's decision to

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Ride Sunfire into the fight

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_09]: After once again belittling him

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_09]: When he sought her advice in council

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Well I do feel a bit bad for Allison

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I think she's a major hypocrite

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And the cause of most of what's happening

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_09]: In House of the Dragon

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks Susan

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's just

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_09]: We're in the middle

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Susan's

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Well I was just going to say

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a good summation

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Of a lot of things though

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_05]: She didn't treat you know

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_05]: We have talked, you and I have talked

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: A number of times

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Reneer goes up

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Gets in to their kids

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Sits with them, talks with them

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Comforts them, shares her own

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Vulnerabilities and fears

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Where Allison slaps her kids

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And tells them that they're irrelevant

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Just do what we tell you to do

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah it's

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_09]: So I think

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_09]: What Susan says

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Has some merit which is

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes we can excuse a lot of her

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Childhood behaviors because that's what they were

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_09]: They were childhood behaviors

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_09]: She was forced to have kids with a man she didn't love

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Etc

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_09]: At the same time

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_09]: At some point you have a bunch of kids

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And you're an adult

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And the circumstances

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Of how you had them are not

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Their fault and you need to do something for them

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_09]: And again

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Not excusing Vizzee T

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Who also failed to

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_09]: You know really parent

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah I agree

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Anybody but Reneer really

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And there's also a question of how much would he even have parented

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Reneer if Amo wasn't around

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Mmmhmm

[01:26:30] Mmmhmm

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Because Amo was around until she was 15 or 16

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And then she was expected to do a lot of stuff

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_05]: To be the cup bearer

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And be around and learning

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And sort of learning

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: By participating

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Not necessarily

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean yeah

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Well there's a lot of hurt between her

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And him about the death

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Of Reneer's mother

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it's complicated

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway moving on

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Good email from Susan, thank you Susan

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah good stuff

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Back to Laris

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_09]: On Team Green

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_09]: We have Layer Cake saying in a DM

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_09]: To the hand of the potanansi

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Laris has been a little quiet at the last few episodes

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Which means he's probably laying the groundwork

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_09]: To do something in the finale

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_09]: That will make me furious

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_09]: You can see it in his eyes

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I can only hope so

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't have any indication of what might be happening

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm fingers crossed

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm with you Layer Cake

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_09]: And on Darren

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Lisa slash redzippy

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Said I really thought Darren would not appear until season 3

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_09]: And likely he will not

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_09]: But all this Darren talk is making me second guess myself

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_09]: You think we're gonna see Darren

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it's towards the ends

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: You know seeing the high tower forces

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Marching up the road kind of thing

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Or they could

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: They could totally surprise us

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And they haven't been

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Time advancing the plot very much

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not like they've been

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Heading fast forward on a lot of stuff

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So that would be really sort of out of character

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: At this stage anything could happen

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I really don't know

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Seeing the big high tower

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Army marching up the road

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_05]: With a dragon flying over would be a

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Pretty good cliffhangery type of ending

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I think we're not gonna see

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_09]: All around good guy Darren just yet

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_09]: That's really what I'm gonna call him

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Because that's what Queen

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Was trying to tell Allison

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_09]: All around good guy Darren

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Damon changed one letter

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_09]: The show guide every time I try to tag

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Damon it tries to tag Darren

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm like why? When have I ever mentioned Darren

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_09]: In this story? Anyway

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Damon

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Rocky Zim says on discord

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I think Damon has wanted to be king

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And has been selfish and made dumb decisions

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_09]: And now in Harren Hall

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_09]: He is in a position somewhat of a king

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_09]: And he's not liking it

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_09]: And now he's facing all his demons

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_09]: And is lonely

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I think this leads him to rejoining

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Raniera

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_09]: He hasn't communicated with her and

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Dragonstone in a while

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_09]: They have said that throughout

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I think he realizes

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_09]: That he needs to be with Raniera

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_09]: To be able to get power

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_09]: It all makes sense and it is

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Important for the show

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_09]: To see what has led him to be this person

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_09]: He is a narcissist

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And is being faced by his mistakes

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Mmm

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's isolated

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't have sick fence

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And lickspittles

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And others you know whatever is around him

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Not that he would tolerate much of that anyway

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But he is really isolated

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And alone

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Because everybody is like staying away from him

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And showing him deference

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And so now his mind is able to

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Sort of be with itself because there's nothing

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Outwardly to do

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_05]: He's waiting for other

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_05]: People to go do something, send a message

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Come back, negotiate with this person

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_05]: What have you da da da da

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And he gets very anxious and

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Like come on let's move this along

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay all your River Lords

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Are here

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's your new Lord Paramount

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Swear the oath so we can get on with this

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Like he's really impatient for action

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think this idea of him sitting still

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_05]: For a long time

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And his mind is starting to

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Fold in on itself

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Helped by Alice's

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Weird drinks and a bed

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Made out of a ware tree

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I think all of that

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah I really like this idea

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That his narcissism he's finally

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Having to confront his narcissism

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Drink your medicine grandpa

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright Abbie closes out the subject

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Saying some folks are saying that there

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Should be a nightmare for Damon with Rea Royce

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I think the reason why there isn't

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Is because Damon doesn't feel any guilt

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Over herself

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I think you're right Abbie

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And Meta reason they couldn't

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Get the actor back

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know that I'm just expecting

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_08]: No yeah

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Jaqaris is next

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go with Marilyn

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Our favorite Tolkien scholar and email saying

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's fair to say regarding

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Jaqaris, Jaceris is whatever his name is

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Issue of identity

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_09]: That legitimacy is in the eye of the people

[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_09]: All the proclamations

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_09]: In the world won't matter a hill of beans

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_09]: If the folks he aspires to rule

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Don't accept him

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_09]: All the best Marilyn

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah that's part of the

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Tension and the debate

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_05]: What

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Gives you legitimacy

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_05]: What kind of ruler are you and how much do you care

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_05]: About legitimacy

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: As long as you pay your security forces

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And nobody

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Turns their guns on you

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't need legitimacy

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: In the eyes of the people as long as you can

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Keep the people down as long as you have the tools

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_05]: To keep the people down

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So the balance is

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's interesting because we were

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Reading

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_05]: In Earthsea, the final book of that

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Which we'll get around to that podcast eventually

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But there's some and this isn't

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Spoilery but the talk of the king

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_05]: In that one how he creates a council

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_05]: That helps balance the needs

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Of him so that he's not an autocrat

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You know here we have the king

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But he has his small council right

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: They have authority and power

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_05]: He hears petitions from the small folks

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's always that tension between

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_05]: How do we balance

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_05]: The

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Wider concerns against

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_05]: A single person's point of view

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Who can't make all the decisions all the time

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It's impossible

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_05]: But legitimacy is a really important point

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Is how much do you care about legitimacy

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_09]: And how much does it matter to your

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Actual security and your rule

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Sadie comes in to say Jace's claim is through

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_09]: His mother the queen

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_09]: But there are a ton of bastards who father

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Is a king and those bastards are not

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Considered to have a good claim to the throne

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_09]: But of course it is different because

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_09]: They can never verify someone's mother

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Whereas the mother can at least

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Be verified by at the time of birth

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Which is an interesting aspect

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Having a matriarchy could ensure blood

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Lines better

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_09]: The other thing is you need to keep the throne

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Through true born children

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_09]: In order to

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_09]: For the political marriages slash alliances

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_09]: To last but in this case

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_09]: The Valyrians have fully claimed Jace

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_09]: So that is again

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Not technically an issue

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this thing too

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_05]: With Jace being very upset

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It sort of dawns on me

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He's he really does

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It just sort of clicked

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean it's like I kind of knew this

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But it only just clicked now

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: How he's really changing his point of view

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_05]: To oh shit I'm just another bastard

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Right and that's kind of

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Grote yeah I don't think he feels good about that

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Right oh yeah no I think

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_09]: This has definitely been an insecurity

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Of his entire life right if it

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_09]: If a piece of your identity was hush hush

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Your entire life you'd probably be pretty

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Pretty embarrassed

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_05]: About it and the only and he even says

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_05]: The only thing that made me different from any of these

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Other people was the fact that I have a dragon

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And now you're going to give dragons

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah okay wow that really clicked for me

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I understood it but like it really

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Set in just now

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah and I mean

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_09]: To be clear if one of them decided

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_09]: To use sir Jace

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not like

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_09]: He would go back to being a common person

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Or go to being a common person he'd be just killed

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Right right

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_09]: So as much as people were like oh he's being petty

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_09]: You know like I don't think so I think it's actually a life or death situation for him

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright David do you want to tag back in

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_09]: For the last trance of feedback

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure let's talk a little bit about

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Reneara

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Aeon says they're definitely

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Graying Reneara up there's definitely a hint

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Of religious righteousness creeping into her character

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Which would lead to actions like this episode

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay that's interesting I'm going to keep an eye for that

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I definitely did notice

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_05]: The aging factor

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: That they're applying

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_05]: But the idea and we've

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Touched in and around this

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_05]: About the religious righteousness

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to see

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll be paying attention to more of her wording

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_05]: In the next couple of, in the next episode

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_05]: To see if that really is settling on her

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: If she's trying to find

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Some lattice

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Some structure to

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Some sort of moral

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: What was it Barry

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Without being spoilery

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Remember the Barry series on HBO

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_05]: When he's listening to like a dozen different podcasts

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: To justify the thing that he wants to do

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And when he finally hears the one

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Podcaster who says yeah this is totally fine

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like okay good loads up his gun and goes off

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Bingo

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah maybe she's trying to find some sort of

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Moral structure that will support her

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Her activities

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Abby says

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure Reneara has her reasons for taking the position

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_05]: She's taking almost two seasons of dealing with

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Capital L lot

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_05]: But with as much sympathies we can give

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Her we cannot be blind to the fact that yes

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_05]: She is on a path of darkness

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Sif Ray is coming

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh no

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_05]: She was never overly religious

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And yet she now uses

[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_05]: The God's will at crutch

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_05]: That folks turn to when they run out of

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah I don't know if she's a true believer

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Here I think she's just kind of

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Going with the flow here

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Playing a little bit of jazz

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's understandable that the dragon keepers

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Call her out on it

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_05]: No

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You will it

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a really good point actually

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't buy into it

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they see it

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good point she makes

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_05]: She never really emphasized with or cared for the small folk

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_05]: We saw the discrepancy and the treatment

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Of Sir Stefan

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Who was

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Given the choice

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Explained the stakes clearly

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Given the assistance and instructions

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Versus the king's landing people

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Who were given a rousing speech

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Points of which

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Are entirely unrealistic

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_05]: More like wishful thinking

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Then left to fend for themselves without even the choice

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Of giving up herded in as they were

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_05]: By the guards

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_05]: She shares a secret smile with firmathore

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Look here you can choose a rider

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_05]: The rest is a snack

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Plus she really didn't think ahead

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_05]: On what happens if any of these new riders

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Decides they want something she's not willing

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_05]: To give them

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Right so we've covered some of that

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_05]: A bunch already

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: So

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_05]: But I like this idea

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Again playing on the fact that she's trying to

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Find some other justifications

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: To prop up her decisions

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Right

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Reina

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Not much talk about Reina but Chris M writes in

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey Lorhounds, some thoughts about this week's episodes

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And coverage, the sea smoke of it all

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Throughout both

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Book and show canon we see that because of the

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Psychic bond

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragons always start acting out when something bad

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Happens to the rider

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So in my opinion, the show gave us

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: A pretty clear though subtle offscreen death

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: For lane or early in the season

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_05]: When sea smoke starts acting up

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And Masario says he's lonely

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I was hoping we might get an onscreen

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Private reaction from Reina

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_05]: About her husband's death

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_05]: But alas it looks like no

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But until that happened, yeah

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_05]: What the FR

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Were they doing letting

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Reina try to claim him

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Did Reina just go off on her own

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And try to hop on without anyone knowing

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_05]: When Reina and Jace talk about it

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_05]: A few episodes back it sounded like

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Reina made multiple attempts with

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: The different dragons on dragon steps

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Right

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: But if it was just sea smoke then that's some serious

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Not thinking on Reina and Damon's part

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: When they cooked the plot of faking

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Lane or death

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_09]: John?

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah it's dumb person behavior

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_09]: If you

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Dumb person syndrome

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_09]: If you allow Reina to try to claim sea smoke

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_09]: While you believe sea smoke's true rider is alive

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah you pointed this out

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely awful

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_09]: But also what do you do right

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_09]: You would then have to be like

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah sea smoke's over there

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_09]: But then sea smoke's gonna be near you anyway

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And almost kill you

[01:39:05] [SPEAKER_09]: They just got themselves into a bad situation

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_09]: That's Reina's weakness

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Is that she gets

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_09]: She gets herself caught into lies

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And then she has to go with it

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And it doesn't go very well

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah agreed

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and that's certainly what fractured

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Her relationship with Allison all the way back

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_05]: When a lie of

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_05]: A mission

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And Allison may not

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Have been able to have the specific

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Proof about who she actually slept with

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Who took her maidenhood

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But she could sense that something was still off there

[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And that really offended Allison

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah Reina is not without sin

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: As one might say

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Right let's see where are we

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Abby in

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_05]: She's back

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Down here Reina is truly her father's daughter

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_05]: In a way

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_05]: In the way she's craving his attention and approval

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Reina

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Is truly like her father's daughter

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_05]: In the way she's craving his attention and approval

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Like Damon craved some from the seris

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Second daughter versus second son

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Both feeling constantly looked over

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And slighted and doing crazy stuff to gain validation

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Like her going off to haunt

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_05]: A wild dragon

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Reina you had one job

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_05]: But she gaily abandons those

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Tiny children to the gay

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Abandon in pursuit of her hyper fixation

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder what will happen to them

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And if we see anything untowards

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_05]: In the last episode

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Or it will

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It be left in the next season

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good point John do you have any theories

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Waffle

[01:40:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay I'm gonna waffle it

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright good

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Good I did point out that

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_05]: That seemed like a very small group of

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Escorts to

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Write off with those people so

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah that's what I would

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_05]: From what the show is showing

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't actually think there is a waffle thing going on

[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_09]: But I'm gonna say it anyway because I'm tired

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Layer cake

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_05]: About Alan

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I respect Alan so much

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_05]: His brother just hopped on a dragon and flew off with the queen

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_05]: His fabulously wealthy deadbeat dad

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Is showing an interest in offering him

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Prestigious

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Positions and suggesting he

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Tries luck at flying a dragon too

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And how does Alan respond

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Leave me alone just wanna sail my boat

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_05]: He might be the smartest man in the realm

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Is he gonna have

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Or is that the most interesting man

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_09]: I was gonna say he's gonna be selling me doseckies

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: With a

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Sort of suave look across the table

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I like it

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Alice Rivers

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Marilyn says hello

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Lorhan's just another quick note about

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Women named Rivers

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Lady Jaquetta of Luxembourg

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Who lived in the 15th century

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Subscribed to the family

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Legend that their founding

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Ancestor was the water spirit

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Melucine

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Melucine a beautiful woman

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Who was a fish or a serpent

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_05]: From the waist down

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_05]: She was also famous for her magic

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Jaquetta married

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Into an English nobility

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And her daughter Elizabeth

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_05]: By her second husband

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And English knight

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Eventually married Edward IV

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_05]: King of England during the war of the roses

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Jaquetta became known

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: As

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait for it

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Lady Rivers

[01:42:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Was given the title Earl Rivers

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_05]: She was rumored to have used witchcraft

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And loved potions to draw

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Edward to Elizabeth

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And enchanted her into marrying her

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: A very lowly match

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: For a king

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting

[01:42:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, to be clear

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Marilyn Rivers is

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_09]: A bastard name

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_09]: In the song of ice fire universe

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_09]: And generally

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think Marilyn will like this piece of the lore too

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_09]: But generally the bastards of this world

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Are given names based on the climate

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_09]: That they were

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: So it's regional but it's based on

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Pretty much the signature climate of the region

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_09]: You have sand

[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_09]: You have snow

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_09]: You have storm

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_09]: You have rivers for the riverlands

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess flowers is not quite

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Climate based but

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, it's environmental

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's an environmental feature

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I love the fact that there are so many

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Children

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Born out of wedlock

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_05]: That they have to have a whole name

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Agreed upon continent wide

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Naming convention for this

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly, exactly

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Waters is the name in the crownlands

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I forgot

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, makes sense

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright closing it all down

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragon naming

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Athena says when do the children

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Name the dragons? I feel like there's a disparity in

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Dragon names

[01:43:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Vermithor and then Silverwing

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, Abby

[01:43:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes she does

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I just got it, my throat got caught a little bit

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_05]: In general some dragons

[01:44:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I was so moved by Athena's

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm kidding, I'm being silly because it's late

[01:44:05] [SPEAKER_05]: We're tired. In general some dragons are named

[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Proportedly with names of

[01:44:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Valyrian gods and those names can't be

[01:44:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Translated into common tongue

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Other dragons are named by

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Their attributes, characteristics

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's easier to translate

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_05]: So we have Dreamfire who is called

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not even going to pronounce it

[01:44:24] [SPEAKER_05]: E

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_05]: D R U R

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Z Y I think it's like a dirty

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, it's an E with a long

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Accent over the top

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And Sunfire

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Vesperezi

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Vesperezi

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Seasmoak

[01:44:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Embromy

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's just keep going

[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she says I don't know the name of

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_05]: The Hivalarian name for Silverwing

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_05]: But she sure has one

[01:44:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Then there was Melyse who was named

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_05]: After her characteristic

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Of being red, Mele

[01:44:57] [SPEAKER_05]: But still use the Hivalarian name

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Seems arbitrary

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, oh my god this is the Silverwing's name

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Is

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Galeo Tikun

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's what it is

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_09]: So good luck to everyone trying to

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Pronounce that. Well John that was an epic

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Amount of feedback, thank you everyone for

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Writing in, thank you Nancy for

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Coalating all of that stuff, definitely

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Love to have the voicemails

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot of fun to hear people's voices

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I think, was Nancy going around and

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Just like poking people on the discords

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I think maybe because I just cut

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Like 25% of this as we went

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Through so did you

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, sorry Nancy

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_09]: But offensively

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_05]: The voicemails like saying hey

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Just record a voicemail but I think

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_05]: If you want, because we got a couple of voicemails

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Just direct by email

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You can just use your phone

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Voice recorder app and send

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_09]: You don't have to use our proprietary app

[01:45:51] [SPEAKER_09]: In fact I think it actually sounds better if you use

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Your voice recorder

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And just send the email to

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_05]: HOTDatheLorhounds.com

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright everyone

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_05]: John what do we got going on

[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Too much

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Quickly, quickly

[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright we have like 8 podcasts out this week

[01:46:09] [SPEAKER_09]: On the main feed so very quickly

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_09]: 3 HOTD pods you know what they are

[01:46:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Main feedback, bonus up for patrons

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_09]: And super gas subscribers

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_09]: The Acolyte Season 1 Wrap Up Game Show

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Came out and you'll have to find out

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Who David's Force Diad is

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a really funny podcast

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Some brilliant stories

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_09]: With Newbeta Doobeta is out

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_09]: He does all the geography

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Of Middle Earth of Beleriand and its realms

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And honestly made that chapter

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Way more enjoyable for me so I hope everyone likes it

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Then Yumi and Marilyn sat down

[01:46:39] [SPEAKER_09]: For a good 2 hours

[01:46:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And 20 minutes I think it was

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_09]: To discuss a 4 minute trailer

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_09]: On the ranks of Power of Season 2

[01:46:47] [SPEAKER_09]: That was a great time

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_09]: And Deadpool and Wolverine

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I recorded that with

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Marilyn and John

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And they did much longer

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Of a podcast without them

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Alicia and John

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh I said Marilyn, oh man Alicia and John

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Marilyn's on the mind

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she'll be, that's an appreciated

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Slip of the tongue

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I was also just talking about Marilyn on

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Ranks of Power

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_09]: So Alicia and John went on after me to talk

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Comics and more details on the recap

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_09]: So you'll just hear my hot takes

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they'll take it over for me

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And on the Patreon

[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Supercast stuff we have

[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_09]: The hot D hot take as I mentioned

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Plus 11Z's on the Karate Kid

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Which we recorded this morning

[01:47:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And we're having a busy week

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Busy busy week

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_09]: It's already out

[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_09]: It is out, thanks for editing it

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Pleasure

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Alright, Rings and Rituals is doing

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_09]: It's Season 1 rerun

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I have put out Episode 1

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to put out Episode 2 tomorrow

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_09]: The Star Wars Canon Timeline Podcast

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Next week has Canon Mids of the Old Republic

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Then the Wolshiff Dust

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Feed has the

[01:47:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Silo Season 2 San Diego Comic Con

[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Announcements

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_09]: And her book club, Alicia's book club

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_09]: On her own Supercast

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Is the third shift breakdown

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_09]: She's doing that book breakdown

[01:48:07] [SPEAKER_09]: So that's a lot of stuff

[01:48:09] [SPEAKER_09]: And Erin also DMed me today

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Or didn't DM me, messaged me on our production

[01:48:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Server and said

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_09]: He's going to be back next week with more Radio Act of Ramblings

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Doing the end of, doing a wrap up for the boys

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh okay, that's good

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, all good stuff

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Shall we do some

[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank yous?

[01:48:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Here, I'm going to cue up the music if you want to read them

[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm ready to go

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Here we go

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Purple Rain

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I was thinking more

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe Billy Ocean or something like that

[01:48:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Narls, Erin Kay, Tilla the Thriller

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I should kick down an octave

[01:48:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Dork of the Ninjas

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