David and Jean hit the midseason mark of HBO's Lanterns with an episode that keeps flipping the buddy cop dynamic between Hal and John Stewart Jr. on its head. The conversation covers a standout car scene between the two leads, the show's clever use of J-cuts to keep viewers locked onto the screen, and the deepening mystery around the Manhunter and the compound of extremists at the center of the season. They also work through listener feedback before moving into a full scene by scene breakdown.
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03:46 --> 03:50 [UNKNOWN]: They're wrapping up season two hard to believe They're over a hundred episodes.
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04:35 --> 04:39 [UNKNOWN]: John has got Cosmere corner rolling.
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04:42 --> 04:45 [UNKNOWN]: Alicia should be wrapping up with silo.
04:45 --> 04:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's all some of the download numbers.
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04:56 --> 05:05 [UNKNOWN]: And it, like, from what I'm hearing episodes nine and ten of the season, my gosh, are like off the hook.
05:06 --> 05:07 [UNKNOWN]: Crazy stuff.
05:07 --> 05:08 [UNKNOWN]: I'm caught up to episode four.
05:08 --> 05:13 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, like I'm, I'm like, oh, wait, I've been sleeping on the season.
05:13 --> 05:16 [UNKNOWN]: I had some other things going on, but I'm, I'm starting to get hooked in.
05:17 --> 05:19 [UNKNOWN]: So it was amazing, amazing finale.
05:19 --> 05:20 [UNKNOWN]: It was it, it's done, right?
05:21 --> 05:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, done.
05:22 --> 05:27 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm, I keyed up the podcast, so listen under commute for tomorrow.
05:27 --> 05:30 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's ready for that.
05:30 --> 05:35 [UNKNOWN]: Nice, well, and then Alicia's got, so they, they do in the mean line coverage.
05:36 --> 05:59 [UNKNOWN]: they're doing like a spoiler cast a deep lore stuff and then they have a whole separate book club going on with Abby as well so like you got all your silo needs covered over there with Alicia and we've got a few other podcasts in affiliate but I think you know I might be on break or doing some other stuff anyway we're here to talk lanterns episode four today
06:00 --> 06:05 [UNKNOWN]: John, I did a little bit of work to reorganize the podcast, hopefully it's going to flow a little bit better.
06:05 --> 06:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we'll do our fresh takes.
06:08 --> 06:15 [UNKNOWN]: And then we're still going to have feedback on the front, but it's going to be like general feedback.
06:15 --> 06:20 [UNKNOWN]: If people got stuff to say, like, that's not specific.
06:21 --> 06:28 [UNKNOWN]: And then what we're going to do is we're going to take any speculation or lore, and we're going to put that at the end.
06:29 --> 06:39 [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to have a whole comics corner with Connor at the very end, because Connor sent in three more emails over the last couple of days, and man, he went deep on some stuff.
06:39 --> 06:49 [UNKNOWN]: And there are some really, really cool insights about the origin of the John Stuart character, not the in-world origin stuff.
06:50 --> 07:10 [UNKNOWN]: the comic book, people the writer, you know, the people who make green lantern, talking about issues around having a black man as a mean character in the comics and Connor pulled up some really interesting quotes that are just like a kind of blew me away.
07:10 --> 07:13 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll have those at the very, very, very, very end.
07:13 --> 07:18 [UNKNOWN]: And then a little bit before that we'll have some speculation, but otherwise we'll have our scene by scene all throughout the middle.
07:19 --> 07:21 [UNKNOWN]: So, let's just jump straight into it.
07:23 --> 07:23 [UNKNOWN]: Jean-Cee.
07:27 --> 07:28 [UNKNOWN]: My gosh.
07:28 --> 07:28 [UNKNOWN]: Were you at me?
07:31 --> 07:36 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, coming off episode three, there was no let down.
07:37 --> 07:37 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
07:38 --> 07:42 [UNKNOWN]: There was absolutely zero let down for me watching episode four.
07:43 --> 07:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I think it's a testament to the actors, it's a testament to the writing, it's a testament to the directing, it's a testament to the entire team that puts together this show.
07:56 --> 07:57 [UNKNOWN]: Just the car scene,
07:59 --> 08:18 [UNKNOWN]: we have in junior just blew me away at the end, you mean then yeah at the very end at the very end to blew me away that that scene like when I zoom my breakdown you know in the notes for that one the more I got into it the more I just I was
08:19 --> 08:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm kind of stunned at how complex a scene that's for a simple of a set up, but emotionally and character what's going on there.
08:30 --> 08:30 [UNKNOWN]: So much going on.
08:31 --> 08:32 [UNKNOWN]: It's incredibly complex.
08:32 --> 08:39 [UNKNOWN]: To the point that I don't wanna say that I got intimidated, but it kind of froze me in my tracks.
08:39 --> 08:46 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, I need to listen to some other podcasts to understand what I think about this, this theme.
08:47 --> 08:49 [UNKNOWN]: because it's so layered.
08:49 --> 08:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
08:50 --> 08:51 [UNKNOWN]: There is a bunch of bunch of stuff going on.
08:51 --> 08:53 [UNKNOWN]: So I can't wait to get to the scene talk about it.
08:53 --> 08:54 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, carry on with you.
08:54 --> 08:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just, again, that blew me away.
08:59 --> 09:07 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, Julianier's, you know, just his whole, this whole entire episode with Julianier, just really.
09:07 --> 09:15 [UNKNOWN]: He, he, he does things in a way that is really cool to watch.
09:17 --> 09:26 [UNKNOWN]: in the way that how and other green lanterns that we've seen on screen don't do it, like Guy Gardner from the Superman movie.
09:26 --> 09:38 [UNKNOWN]: So they made it really clear in a parent that how he his mind works and what he's able to do is totally different for the two of them.
09:39 --> 09:42 [UNKNOWN]: I love watching how teach.
09:43 --> 10:03 [UNKNOWN]: without either he knowing that he's teaching and Jr. not understanding that he's teaching because there's a lot of things that John Jr. can't see that how it does in the way that he approaches things that John Jr. would ever approach them that way.
10:04 --> 10:10 [UNKNOWN]: So you have this replacement watching
10:13 --> 10:21 [UNKNOWN]: not fit for the job, actually learning a lot from the person who he deems unfit for the job.
10:21 --> 10:21 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
10:22 --> 10:25 [UNKNOWN]: And that is, that's blowing me away.
10:26 --> 10:28 [UNKNOWN]: It's just their dynamic man.
10:28 --> 10:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's really something to behold.
10:30 --> 10:36 [UNKNOWN]: It's taken the the buddy cop genre trope, whatever device.
10:37 --> 10:38 [UNKNOWN]: And it's put it a whole
10:41 --> 11:04 [UNKNOWN]: They really have gone into it knowing, like, hey, we're doing the buddy cop thing and we're going to walk right into it, but we're going to we're going to try and be, you know, whatever their thought process was and however they did approach it, this is a completely fresh take as far as I can tell.
11:05 --> 11:12 [UNKNOWN]: both meta and within this story as well because they're playing with the buddy cop thing in the story themselves.
11:12 --> 11:13 [UNKNOWN]: What?
11:13 --> 11:17 [UNKNOWN]: They're like, okay, you call me Jr. and you're the old washed up old man and not it out of that, right?
11:18 --> 11:19 [UNKNOWN]: But then they keep wowing each other.
11:20 --> 11:20 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
11:21 --> 11:25 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, dang, like you figured that guy's bluff out.
11:26 --> 11:30 [UNKNOWN]: And oh, dang, you were able to make that really complex tunneling machine, right?
11:30 --> 11:30 [UNKNOWN]: There's,
11:31 --> 11:36 [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of, I don't know, it was interesting the way Sinestro was like, do you respect him?
11:38 --> 11:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, acts if you like them.
11:40 --> 11:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
11:42 --> 11:42 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
11:44 --> 11:56 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's just the characters, the how and John Junior, just continue to amazed me when they're on screen together, and watching their relationship.
11:57 --> 12:09 [UNKNOWN]: you know, evolve and go through the turmoil, the ups, the downs, has been a revelation, because I wasn't expecting this coming into the series.
12:10 --> 12:19 [UNKNOWN]: So it's been really blowing my mind to see how this interaction is actually working on screen.
12:20 --> 12:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
12:22 --> 12:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know
12:25 --> 12:27 [UNKNOWN]: We're at episode four, we're of eight.
12:29 --> 12:32 [UNKNOWN]: And I have no idea where this show is going to take us.
12:33 --> 12:33 [UNKNOWN]: What do you mean?
12:34 --> 12:47 [UNKNOWN]: In the next four, I was, I know where we're going to end up with a cold dead, held Jordan sitting up on a bleachers, seven or eight, whatever, how many years after the events that are happening right now.
12:48 --> 12:52 [UNKNOWN]: But in between then and there, why we get there, how we get there,
12:55 --> 13:06 [UNKNOWN]: There are things that happen in this episode that make me question a whole bunch of things that we of assuming that we thought we knew going into this show.
13:07 --> 13:10 [UNKNOWN]: Both is just television audience, like, oh, that's interesting.
13:11 --> 13:19 [UNKNOWN]: And then, but also in the story, because I know a lot of, and I didn't put up a poll this week, and there's a reason for it.
13:19 --> 13:19 [UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about it.
13:22 --> 13:25 [UNKNOWN]: I still don't know who the man hunter is and I don't think anybody.
13:25 --> 13:26 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think.
13:26 --> 13:27 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's that.
13:27 --> 13:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
13:28 --> 13:30 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
13:30 --> 13:36 [UNKNOWN]: The man hunter could literally be anyone showing up anywhere at any time under any particular guys.
13:38 --> 13:40 [UNKNOWN]: And that's a whole crazy trope, too.
13:40 --> 13:41 [UNKNOWN]: The whole sheep sifter trope.
13:42 --> 13:42 [UNKNOWN]: And it's.
13:43 --> 14:04 [UNKNOWN]: It's just wowing me, and then this idea that, oh, where there's this compound of a bunch of xenophobes, sort of racist dudes, but they got all this alien tech, but then there's this protector, benefactor person, and making everything good, and then the buddy cops, the parents, like, I don't know where we're going to go.
14:04 --> 14:08 [UNKNOWN]: Sinestro, like, I don't know where we're going to go with this show.
14:10 --> 14:11 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't feel like,
14:12 --> 14:13 [UNKNOWN]: I'm disoriented.
14:13 --> 14:17 [UNKNOWN]: I don't feel like it's aimless that it's aimless.
14:19 --> 14:29 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like we're in a mystery, but it's not a mystery where and but they they they they they're paying off enough of the mystery stuff as we go.
14:29 --> 14:33 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't feel that mystery box frustration.
14:34 --> 14:43 [UNKNOWN]: like, okay, well, you didn't answer this question, but instead you asked 10 more other questions, smoke monster polar bear bullshit, right?
14:43 --> 14:50 [UNKNOWN]: You're like, you know, more mystery is more mystery.
14:50 --> 14:52 [UNKNOWN]: No, they're sort of paying them off.
14:54 --> 14:57 [UNKNOWN]: At the same time, creating this bigger sense of mystery,
14:59 --> 15:02 [UNKNOWN]: that isn't like I have said is I don't feel disoriented.
15:02 --> 15:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's a really weird position to be in for with a show like this.
15:07 --> 15:10 [UNKNOWN]: But it's in a weird position and I'm saying that in a good way.
15:11 --> 15:18 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, this is a really, like these guys are really, they're really pushing the boundaries of television making in some ways.
15:18 --> 15:21 [UNKNOWN]: This is a really tight machine that they've built.
15:21 --> 15:22 [UNKNOWN]: It's really incredible.
15:24 --> 15:28 [UNKNOWN]: And then of course, it can't be a lindle off without some just blatantly weird stuff in there.
15:28 --> 15:32 [UNKNOWN]: Like you got to have some weenies, got to have some non-sequitor sequiturs.
15:32 --> 15:33 [UNKNOWN]: That was so terrible.
15:34 --> 15:34 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
15:35 --> 15:38 [UNKNOWN]: We get three kinds of weenies in this show.
15:39 --> 15:39 [UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh.
15:39 --> 15:48 [UNKNOWN]: We get the architectural weenie, we get Billy's weenie, and then we get all beef weenies in the processing plant.
15:48 --> 15:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's crazy.
15:50 --> 15:56 [UNKNOWN]: which is a weird non-secretor sequitor because we're like, what the hell was that cow scene about?
15:56 --> 15:57 [UNKNOWN]: Why did they put it in there?
15:59 --> 16:00 [UNKNOWN]: But it has a purpose.
16:02 --> 16:05 [UNKNOWN]: It will have had a purpose by the time that we get done with this.
16:06 --> 16:08 [UNKNOWN]: There's a bunch of stuff embedded in there.
16:08 --> 16:10 [UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about it when we get up into that stuff.
16:12 --> 16:21 [UNKNOWN]: I would really like to see the internet search data on weenie and architecture, you know, the two search terms, because I wouldn't search stuff weenie.
16:21 --> 16:26 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, I wonder how many hits the wiki page is getting, you know, in the last couple of days.
16:29 --> 16:35 [UNKNOWN]: So the other thing funny episode, show funny, show many great little one-liners.
16:35 --> 16:38 [UNKNOWN]: I've noted a bunch of them in the different scenes as we get into them.
16:38 --> 16:40 [UNKNOWN]: And then the last thing,
16:41 --> 16:58 [UNKNOWN]: I was noticing, especially this episode, there's a bunch of J-cuts where, you know, that's where an audio overlaps a scene and that the J-cut thing refers to how they used to bend the film over to splice audio over a visual.
16:58 --> 17:00 [UNKNOWN]: And I think there's an S-cut and a J-cut.
17:00 --> 17:02 [UNKNOWN]: I've mentioned these things before.
17:02 --> 17:07 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, it's basically where you have a piece of dialogue or a piece of video that
17:08 --> 17:12 [UNKNOWN]: overlapping a different part of the scene or a different scene altogether.
17:12 --> 17:22 [UNKNOWN]: So they do a bunch of that throughout this whole episode like when Zoe and John are standing in the doorway of his motel room or the phone call with his mom.
17:24 --> 17:27 [UNKNOWN]: And visually, it's really interesting.
17:27 --> 17:28 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, it's like it's rich.
17:29 --> 17:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of complex.
17:32 --> 17:34 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, wow.
17:34 --> 17:35 [UNKNOWN]: You know, they're doing something a little bit different.
17:38 --> 17:52 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if this is intentional or not, but the other kind of devious thing that it does, you can't second screen when you're watching this show, because you know the phone, when you have the phone near you, there's like this like compulsion to, you know, I just want to touch my phone.
17:52 --> 17:53 [UNKNOWN]: I want to just look at it.
17:53 --> 17:54 [UNKNOWN]: What's going on in the world?
17:54 --> 17:54 [UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
17:55 --> 18:02 [UNKNOWN]: You can't do this with this show because the scene you're listening to is not necessarily the scene that you are watching.
18:03 --> 18:07 [UNKNOWN]: And if you miss something, you miss something, right?
18:07 --> 18:15 [UNKNOWN]: We're so used to having the dialogue telling us what's going on on screen, like it's a one-to-one match, so that you can second-screen.
18:15 --> 18:18 [UNKNOWN]: And then they talk about, hello, dear long lost brother.
18:19 --> 18:30 [UNKNOWN]: Have you seen mom and dad recently at the old house where we used to grow up together on the L-M Street, blah, blah, you're like, okay, this is just a bunch of exposition, verbal diarrhea, exposition dump.
18:31 --> 18:36 [UNKNOWN]: that is designed so that people who aren't looking at the screen can follow along with the story.
18:36 --> 18:38 [UNKNOWN]: You can't do that with this show.
18:38 --> 18:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
18:39 --> 18:42 [UNKNOWN]: And part of what they're doing is they're doing that visually as well.
18:42 --> 18:47 [UNKNOWN]: You're going to miss really interesting little tidbits like there's a really great scene.
18:48 --> 18:53 [UNKNOWN]: With John sitting with the shotgun next to the window and we're going to talk about that scene in a minute when it gets to two.
18:54 --> 19:02 [UNKNOWN]: But that has some deep roots that image that piece of iconography and you could have missed that very easily.
19:03 --> 19:05 [UNKNOWN]: If you were second screening.
19:06 --> 19:12 [UNKNOWN]: So I just really, I'm just so amazed by the show in every aspect.
19:13 --> 19:14 [UNKNOWN]: All right, enough gushing.
19:16 --> 19:20 [UNKNOWN]: Let us do a quick round of generic feedback.
19:20 --> 19:22 [UNKNOWN]: First up is Gio.
19:22 --> 19:28 [UNKNOWN]: Gio says, hey, I've been a fan of your network for some time now, and I hate that my first email is a complaint.
19:29 --> 19:38 [UNKNOWN]: really love the deep discussions you have and usually how you keep it spoiler free for some reason and it's not just you guys because other podcasts have done this as well.
19:38 --> 19:40 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's indicative of how good the comics are.
19:41 --> 19:51 [UNKNOWN]: The lantern talk goes into the comics and on your last episode you got into a deep discussion about stuff from the comics and I humbly request please keep
19:51 --> 19:58 [UNKNOWN]: topics about comments or characters that's not that haven't appeared yet towards the end with some comic talk.
19:59 --> 20:02 [UNKNOWN]: Again, this is a lighthearted request and not attended to make anyone upset.
20:02 --> 20:03 [UNKNOWN]: Thanks, Gjo.
20:04 --> 20:09 [UNKNOWN]: First of all, Gjo, thank you because that was polite and respectful.
20:11 --> 20:12 [UNKNOWN]: That is how you do that.
20:13 --> 20:14 [UNKNOWN]: right?
20:14 --> 20:22 [UNKNOWN]: Not some sort of sentence fragment on Spotify or something like that with these sort of random offhand questions.
20:22 --> 20:30 [UNKNOWN]: G. Joe took the time to to make their interests known and asked for something in an appreciative way.
20:30 --> 20:31 [UNKNOWN]: So that was perfect.
20:31 --> 20:32 [UNKNOWN]: So thank you.
20:32 --> 20:32 [UNKNOWN]: G. Joe.
20:32 --> 20:35 [UNKNOWN]: Do you, I also tried to email you back but you're email bounce.
20:35 --> 20:36 [UNKNOWN]: I think your mailbox is for something like that.
20:36 --> 20:44 [UNKNOWN]: So anyway, you just let you know that I wanted to write you and let you know that I did appreciate the way you approach this.
20:44 --> 20:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I totally appreciate what you said.
20:46 --> 20:50 [UNKNOWN]: And so what we've done is actually restructured a bunch.
20:50 --> 20:52 [UNKNOWN]: And I kind of agree.
20:52 --> 20:56 [UNKNOWN]: So what we've done is we've thrown a lot of the comic lore stuff in towards the end.
20:56 --> 21:01 [UNKNOWN]: And then we do this generic feedback if there's anything sort of up here at the front.
21:01 --> 21:02 [UNKNOWN]: John, does that?
21:02 --> 21:04 [UNKNOWN]: How does that all strike?
21:04 --> 21:05 [UNKNOWN]: No, I appreciate the feedback.
21:06 --> 21:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
21:06 --> 21:08 [UNKNOWN]: And that's, you know, always good.
21:09 --> 21:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's always good.
21:11 --> 21:12 [UNKNOWN]: It's always good.
21:12 --> 21:16 [UNKNOWN]: You know, and we want people, like, yeah, we want people to feel comfortable.
21:16 --> 21:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're not going to take a personally.
21:19 --> 21:21 [UNKNOWN]: No.
21:21 --> 21:22 [UNKNOWN]: Believe me, we've got one.
21:24 --> 21:24 [UNKNOWN]: a lot worse.
21:25 --> 21:26 [UNKNOWN]: So it's all good.
21:28 --> 21:36 [UNKNOWN]: That said, we do have a generic email from Connor M and John, would you read Connor's.
21:36 --> 21:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, sure.
21:37 --> 21:38 [UNKNOWN]: So, um,
21:39 --> 21:41 [UNKNOWN]: I have to start before anything with this.
21:41 --> 21:49 [UNKNOWN]: I have been a patron for a long time since the beginning of 2023, and I do not, in any way, regret it.
21:49 --> 21:57 [UNKNOWN]: The lawhouse part continues to be the highlight of my week, every week since the original Tolkien episodes on board move.
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24:47 --> 24:49 [UNKNOWN]: I appreciate Jones perspective on this episode.
24:50 --> 24:52 [UNKNOWN]: He's got a little black power fist for you.
24:52 --> 24:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, black fist in it.
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25:08 --> 25:15 [UNKNOWN]: So, here's the last piece of feedback, and this one is kind of interesting, and I love it, I think that's really great.
25:15 --> 25:19 [UNKNOWN]: This is from Julia C, and it's a poem.
25:19 --> 25:30 [UNKNOWN]: She says, this poem found me today, and it made me think immediately of John Stewart, a character I regretfully only know through the show and already love.
25:31 --> 25:31 [UNKNOWN]: Here's the poem.
25:32 --> 25:35 [UNKNOWN]: There's a blue bird in my heart that wants to get out,
25:38 --> 25:40 [UNKNOWN]: I say, stay in there.
25:40 --> 25:43 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to let anybody see you.
25:43 --> 25:57 [UNKNOWN]: There's a blue bird in my heart that wants to get out, but I pour whiskey on him and inhale cigarette smoke and the horrors and the bartenders and the grocery clerks never know that he's in there.
25:58 --> 26:01 [UNKNOWN]: There's a blue bird in my heart that wants to get out.
26:01 --> 26:02 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm too tough for him.
26:02 --> 26:03 [UNKNOWN]: I say, stay down.
26:03 --> 26:04 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to mess me up?
26:05 --> 26:06 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to screw up the works?
26:07 --> 26:10 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to blow my book sales in Europe?
26:11 --> 26:13 [UNKNOWN]: There's a blue bird in my heart that wants to get out.
26:14 --> 26:15 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm too clever.
26:16 --> 26:20 [UNKNOWN]: I only let him out at night sometimes when everybody else, when everybody's asleep.
26:21 --> 26:25 [UNKNOWN]: I say, I know that you're there, so don't be sad.
26:26 --> 26:29 [UNKNOWN]: Then I put him back, but he's singing a little in there.
26:29 --> 26:40 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't quite let him die, and we sleep together like that with our secret pact, and it's nice enough to make a man weak, but I don't weep.
26:40 --> 26:41 [UNKNOWN]: Do you?
26:43 --> 26:47 [UNKNOWN]: That is blue birds by Charles Bukowski, old Bukowski.
26:47 --> 26:54 [UNKNOWN]: Haven't thought of him in many years, and that is from the last night of earth poems.
26:54 --> 26:56 [UNKNOWN]: It's like a collection of poems.
26:57 --> 26:59 [UNKNOWN]: and Julius says, my why.
26:59 --> 27:03 [UNKNOWN]: I made the connection between the poem and the character because one bird.
27:04 --> 27:06 [UNKNOWN]: Hello, my brain is simple, is a simple creature.
27:07 --> 27:12 [UNKNOWN]: And two strong, ambitious, successful man's secret side.
27:12 --> 27:25 [UNKNOWN]: Not sure how secret John Stewart's kindness is because they've created a character that a vulnerable person would immediately feel comfort and security by being near to them even without the suit and the ring.
27:26 --> 27:32 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a one for one, but does John not bury his bird with his goals for better or worse?
27:33 --> 27:44 [UNKNOWN]: I've added my why because I learned that my house of the dragon analogies or takes were not as self-added to others as they weren't to me.
27:45 --> 27:46 [UNKNOWN]: That's what makes you a special.
27:47 --> 27:49 [UNKNOWN]: But please disagree or have a different take.
27:50 --> 27:50 [UNKNOWN]: The goal is
27:51 --> 27:58 [UNKNOWN]: that is to be understood, especially with something deeply moves or tickles to be, and the goal is never to be agreed with.
27:59 --> 28:03 [UNKNOWN]: I love and know here's why as much as a yes and yes and.
28:04 --> 28:07 [UNKNOWN]: Just to be sure, my original premise is clear.
28:07 --> 28:15 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for all that you do, kind regards Julia F aka Julia C. In all the years, John, I don't think that anyone has ever
28:18 --> 28:21 [UNKNOWN]: and in a bucowsky poem, none the less.
28:22 --> 28:22 [UNKNOWN]: Like, it works.
28:23 --> 28:24 [UNKNOWN]: It totally works.
28:24 --> 28:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's totally awesome.
28:26 --> 28:29 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I see it, Julia C. Right?
28:29 --> 28:29 [UNKNOWN]: I see it.
28:31 --> 28:34 [UNKNOWN]: 100% and I've loved and this is something that I don't think I would have ever picked up.
28:35 --> 28:51 [UNKNOWN]: It is on you seem to to vibe with it when I was reading her email, I'm strong, ambitious, successful man's secret side, that they created a character that's a vulnerable person, that a vulnerable person would immediately feel comforted and security by being near to them.
28:52 --> 28:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you can sense that in in John Jr.
28:59 --> 29:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's not just he's, you know, like, I'm serious man here.
29:05 --> 29:06 [UNKNOWN]: Get out of my way, I don't need to think.
29:07 --> 29:14 [UNKNOWN]: But you can tell there's something else behind that bluster behind that wall that he puts up.
29:15 --> 29:19 [UNKNOWN]: And it's just there.
29:20 --> 29:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like, and sometimes he'll look at how, especially in the first two episodes,
29:27 --> 29:35 [UNKNOWN]: And just a look, and you could see there's so much more going on besides this, yes sir, yes sir, no sir, that he's given off.
29:35 --> 29:39 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, totally understand where Julia came from with this.
29:40 --> 29:47 [UNKNOWN]: And I love the connection with the poem that it's a blue bird, you know, a green bird, you know, whatever I've heard in my heart.
29:49 --> 30:01 [UNKNOWN]: and that way in that how that speaks to all of us like when we go out into the world, what we need to do to project and protect ourselves, but then how we have the secret sides of ourselves.
30:01 --> 30:05 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it's just a really, really cool connection.
30:06 --> 30:07 [UNKNOWN]: And people can tell.
30:08 --> 30:09 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
30:09 --> 30:10 [UNKNOWN]: People can tell.
30:10 --> 30:16 [UNKNOWN]: When you're around someone, you can tell whether you feel comfortable, you feel.
30:17 --> 30:30 [UNKNOWN]: you know, secure in there and just being there with them and that is something that is, you know, invaluable to be able to impart upon the people in your life.
30:31 --> 30:34 [UNKNOWN]: And that comes from you comfortable with your little bird inside of you.
30:35 --> 30:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
30:35 --> 30:41 [UNKNOWN]: Like you have all the aid out of you when you're right, when you're secure with it, it will just radiate.
30:41 --> 30:41 [UNKNOWN]: Even if you don't
30:48 --> 30:50 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, well, we got a lot of get to show.
30:50 --> 30:52 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take a quick break and then we come back.
30:52 --> 30:54 [UNKNOWN]: We'll get into our scene by scene breakdown.
31:04 --> 31:04 [UNKNOWN]: and we're back.
31:05 --> 31:05 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
31:05 --> 31:08 [UNKNOWN]: Here we are into our scene by scene breakdown and we start with the cold open.
31:09 --> 31:13 [UNKNOWN]: We pick up right where we left off with Halen Sinester on the unnamed prison planet.
31:14 --> 31:16 [UNKNOWN]: Well, John doodles in his motel room.
31:16 --> 31:18 [UNKNOWN]: This is about to leave.
31:18 --> 31:20 [UNKNOWN]: He gets a call from his parents who need to speak with him.
31:22 --> 31:27 [UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, Sinester lays out a plan for how to defeat the man hunter and
31:32 --> 31:34 [UNKNOWN]: John, what'd you make of this?
31:35 --> 31:37 [UNKNOWN]: The story's got to show.
31:37 --> 31:39 [UNKNOWN]: They got the, my past story.
31:39 --> 31:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, got the show.
31:44 --> 31:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did the work, you did the hard things, you did it all.
31:49 --> 31:59 [UNKNOWN]: Now it's a time to just sit back and just breathe and they can't just breathe, they can't do it.
31:59 --> 32:00 [UNKNOWN]: Why did?
32:01 --> 32:11 [UNKNOWN]: the Guardian, assuming that that is the Guardian, talking to his parents before talking to him.
32:11 --> 32:13 [UNKNOWN]: That's an interesting thing.
32:14 --> 32:19 [UNKNOWN]: Now that we're talking about this, that makes me interesting because they're trying to get a message to him.
32:20 --> 32:27 [UNKNOWN]: But then when Leanna shows up later, she says, why didn't you make contact?
32:28 --> 32:34 [UNKNOWN]: as the way that I read it, like you were supposed to talk to your parents because they were going to tell you the news.
32:35 --> 32:37 [UNKNOWN]: Is that how you played it out?
32:37 --> 32:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she said, because
32:40 --> 32:45 [UNKNOWN]: they get on the phone with them and say you need to hit the pay phone so you can talk to them.
32:45 --> 32:45 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
32:46 --> 32:52 [UNKNOWN]: So obviously they spoke to them, Leanna spoke to his folks to let them know.
32:52 --> 32:53 [UNKNOWN]: Look, I need to talk to them.
32:53 --> 32:55 [UNKNOWN]: Talk about helicopter parents.
32:55 --> 32:58 [UNKNOWN]: It's like your college professor calling them up before talking to you.
32:58 --> 33:00 [UNKNOWN]: The student's whole thing is crazy.
33:03 --> 33:14 [UNKNOWN]: John and Howell are both being manipulated by the people around them, right for their own ends for their own reasons and purposes.
33:15 --> 33:25 [UNKNOWN]: I believe it was picking that up at the end when I was finishing the episode today, there was like, oh, they are, Sinestro is manipulating how?
33:26 --> 33:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
33:26 --> 33:26 [UNKNOWN]: And
33:32 --> 33:34 [UNKNOWN]: And that's like really messed up.
33:36 --> 33:40 [UNKNOWN]: And it was really interesting watching Sinestro.
33:41 --> 33:42 [UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh.
33:42 --> 33:48 [UNKNOWN]: Feed this fearful content into Hal's brain.
33:49 --> 33:57 [UNKNOWN]: And there's a couple of looks that posted, I took a screen grab and posted a, uh, uh, this on the discord, where Hal's eyes, he's like, he's like, say it.
33:58 --> 34:00 [UNKNOWN]: Say what John is.
34:00 --> 34:01 [UNKNOWN]: He's my replacement.
34:01 --> 34:06 [UNKNOWN]: And you can see this really deep fear and Hal's eyes.
34:06 --> 34:10 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, amazing acting by Kyle, right?
34:10 --> 34:12 [UNKNOWN]: Like that is just,
34:12 --> 34:13 [UNKNOWN]: by Kyle Chandler.
34:13 --> 34:21 [UNKNOWN]: Like that scene going from angry to like talking to your mentor to being afraid to, you know, I'm not evil.
34:21 --> 34:24 [UNKNOWN]: Like all that complexity was so incredible.
34:25 --> 34:27 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, fear, right, Sinestro is using fear.
34:29 --> 34:29 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
34:31 --> 34:31 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
34:33 --> 34:35 [UNKNOWN]: This is really,
34:43 --> 34:46 [UNKNOWN]: that everybody else is pushing them into conflict.
34:46 --> 34:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they don't see it yet.
34:48 --> 34:56 [UNKNOWN]: When in fact, they're actually starting to work out a pretty operational relationship up until the very end when you don't rise.
34:56 --> 34:57 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
34:57 --> 34:57 [UNKNOWN]: Again.
35:03 --> 35:07 [UNKNOWN]: real quick two on the framing couple of framing notes a cinematography notes.
35:08 --> 35:29 [UNKNOWN]: First there's a great scene bar or shot of the scene where how's standing on one side of the door looking in and Sinestra has his back to us looking out at how and you know what the framing what that visually coded looks like is a mirror looks like somebody standing in a mirror themselves right so these are mirrors of these guys so that was really cool.
35:29 --> 35:31 [UNKNOWN]: That's his mentor exactly.
35:32 --> 35:42 [UNKNOWN]: And then at the end of the scene, normally, you know, especially on a horizontal frame, you know, you could frame the person on the far left side, but looking right.
35:42 --> 35:44 [UNKNOWN]: So they have lots of room to look into.
35:44 --> 35:47 [UNKNOWN]: You could put them in the center to wait at that way.
35:47 --> 35:53 [UNKNOWN]: But instead, they chose to block them up both on, I think they put Hall on the right frame edge.
35:55 --> 35:59 [UNKNOWN]: Was it Hall on the right frame edge or the, yeah, yeah, on the right frame edge and then sinister on the hard left.
36:00 --> 36:07 [UNKNOWN]: Right on the edge, looking, basically with nothing to look at.
36:07 --> 36:09 [UNKNOWN]: There's no negative space for them to look across.
36:11 --> 36:15 [UNKNOWN]: and then they cut the scenes back and forth between the two and they do a kind of a slow push in on both of them.
36:16 --> 36:18 [UNKNOWN]: It is really cool.
36:19 --> 36:20 [UNKNOWN]: It creates a lot of tension.
36:20 --> 36:35 [UNKNOWN]: It creates this feeling of how being very boxed in, not having any room to maneuver and Sinestro moving in closer and sort of getting his sort of, you know, his mind into house mind and really messing with him.
36:36 --> 36:39 [UNKNOWN]: So, just visually, just incredible.
36:39 --> 36:45 [UNKNOWN]: I've got an audio clip for us, too, here, on this whole question of manipulating John.
36:47 --> 36:54 [UNKNOWN]: There's a fearless, maybe, then it will be arrogant over the confident, thus blindly oblivious to your true intent.
36:55 --> 36:57 [UNKNOWN]: Is that how you fooled me?
36:57 --> 36:59 [UNKNOWN]: I was never anything but myself.
37:00 --> 37:01 [UNKNOWN]: My ambition was always a threat.
37:02 --> 37:04 [UNKNOWN]: You simply chose not to see it.
37:04 --> 37:06 [UNKNOWN]: Do not make the same mistake with John Stuart.
37:09 --> 37:34 [UNKNOWN]: love that yo love that my ambition was always a threat you just shows not to see it I never hid from you who I was but you need a daddy and so you look past all of that all of it and then the whole like yeah is he air is he fearless that means he's
37:37 --> 37:38 [UNKNOWN]: just like you.
37:41 --> 37:42 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, man.
37:43 --> 37:49 [UNKNOWN]: I might have to, you might have to turn me on to some some green lantern comics.
37:49 --> 37:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because there's some stuff going on like I think it's far beyond just sort of super how you just super hero and a green suit kind of stuff.
37:59 --> 38:02 [UNKNOWN]: Little bit of a whole thing is that just swear was a great
38:04 --> 38:12 [UNKNOWN]: That's why I was so infuriating to hear some people talking about, oh, there's bascaps, why they are on earth.
38:12 --> 38:13 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
38:14 --> 38:21 [UNKNOWN]: The guy was basically on earth for, I don't know how long before he went out to space coming.
38:22 --> 38:23 [UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh.
38:24 --> 38:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:25 --> 38:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:25 --> 38:26 [UNKNOWN]: It's wild.
38:26 --> 38:26 [UNKNOWN]: This is wild.
38:29 --> 38:30 [UNKNOWN]: So question.
38:30 --> 38:30 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
38:30 --> 38:31 [UNKNOWN]: So.
38:32 --> 38:35 [UNKNOWN]: There's been a number of conversations in this space.
38:35 --> 38:46 [UNKNOWN]: People calling back to a Michael Mann movie, and I'm trying to pull the year up, man Hunter, I believe it was in 1986, yeah.
38:46 --> 38:52 [UNKNOWN]: With William Peterson, Tom Noonin, Brian Cox, Dennis Farina.
38:53 --> 38:54 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll come over.
38:55 --> 38:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:57 --> 38:59 [UNKNOWN]: And it's the original, I think it's the first movie
39:04 --> 39:18 [UNKNOWN]: And Will Graham is an FBI pro-filer, and Tom Moonen is the serial killer, and what's his name is the Hannibal Lecter character.
39:18 --> 39:18 [UNKNOWN]: And so...
39:20 --> 39:25 [UNKNOWN]: will Graham William Peterson's character has to go to the prison to see him.
39:26 --> 39:30 [UNKNOWN]: And it turns out, I don't know if I should spoil this or not in 1980s.
39:30 --> 39:30 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
39:30 --> 39:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:30 --> 39:31 [UNKNOWN]: He had real quick.
39:31 --> 39:33 [UNKNOWN]: Julie, do it, do it, do it, let the spoilers flow through.
39:33 --> 39:41 [UNKNOWN]: Let it go, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it.
39:44 --> 39:52 [UNKNOWN]: So, the killer and, okay, skip ahead, the killer and Lector have been in communication with each other, writing each other letters.
39:53 --> 39:57 [UNKNOWN]: So, my question is, is Sinestro working with the man hunter?
40:02 --> 40:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's a question, I don't know, like it's a thought that arose in my mind.
40:07 --> 40:08 [UNKNOWN]: Look, I...
40:10 --> 40:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
40:13 --> 40:18 [UNKNOWN]: And no, that was clear.
40:18 --> 40:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think Sinester was working with the men in Hunter.
40:23 --> 40:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but do you have to be in direct communication to be working at same purposes?
40:30 --> 40:30 [UNKNOWN]: No, you don't.
40:33 --> 40:42 [UNKNOWN]: But I, the man hunter and semestro, they're not on the same page, but like you, they all work towards the same thing.
40:43 --> 40:43 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
40:43 --> 40:44 [UNKNOWN]: At this point in time.
40:45 --> 40:45 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
40:45 --> 40:48 [UNKNOWN]: Because what's the second biggest threat that he's facing?
40:50 --> 40:51 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know.
40:51 --> 40:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, remember a sinister to how?
40:53 --> 40:55 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, that's the second.
40:55 --> 40:55 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
40:55 --> 40:56 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, Hunter.
40:56 --> 40:57 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's second.
40:57 --> 40:57 [UNKNOWN]: What's your first?
40:58 --> 41:04 [UNKNOWN]: Is he talking about John Stewart in relation to replacing him or is he talking about something else?
41:04 --> 41:05 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
41:06 --> 41:06 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know yet.
41:07 --> 41:10 [UNKNOWN]: This is why he keeps saying, like, I don't know what they're the show is taking me.
41:10 --> 41:14 [UNKNOWN]: When he said that, I believe he was talking about John Stuart.
41:14 --> 41:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
41:15 --> 41:20 [UNKNOWN]: I still believe that he's talking about John Stuart when he says, you know, it makes sense.
41:20 --> 41:21 [UNKNOWN]: That's what it is.
41:21 --> 41:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
41:21 --> 41:23 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm still under.
41:23 --> 41:26 [UNKNOWN]: He's talking about John Stuart Jr. as how's biggest threat.
41:27 --> 41:27 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
41:27 --> 41:33 [UNKNOWN]: What I don't believe is that the man Hunter is exactly where we're getting to it.
41:34 --> 41:34 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
41:36 --> 41:58 [UNKNOWN]: uh... real quick the uh... couple of the scenes with uh... john he's drawing there i tried to look at his drawing i took a picture of it to i don't really understand how it works i'm not really sure where the we need supposed to be but i don't maybe somebody can analyze the photo a little bit better than me but then what's the what's the drawing behind it it's a drawing of zoi
41:59 --> 42:05 [UNKNOWN]: And there's also behind the drawing of Zoe on the very left side is the head of a bird.
42:06 --> 42:12 [UNKNOWN]: Looks like the kind of looks like a house sparrow sparrow to me, but those were just a couple of things that were there.
42:13 --> 42:20 [UNKNOWN]: I just love how he continues, they continue to show an analytical John's mind works.
42:20 --> 42:26 [UNKNOWN]: He's drawing the map of the ranch, you know, like, and doing the work.
42:26 --> 42:27 [UNKNOWN]: He's doing the detective work.
42:27 --> 42:33 [UNKNOWN]: And detail, you know, and it's just something that how wouldn't do.
42:35 --> 42:37 [UNKNOWN]: in a million years.
42:38 --> 42:41 [UNKNOWN]: How is not going to take notice of these small of the details?
42:41 --> 42:41 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
42:42 --> 42:46 [UNKNOWN]: But John is, and he's going to work it through the details.
42:46 --> 42:52 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas how is not going to work it through the details, how is this going to go kicking the door?
42:52 --> 42:53 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
42:54 --> 42:57 [UNKNOWN]: He's going to go from the Titi Bar to come Chuck up and inside.
42:57 --> 42:58 [UNKNOWN]: Based on the roof, right.
43:00 --> 43:06 [UNKNOWN]: But that is such a powerful team up and potent team if those two guys could figure out.
43:07 --> 43:07 [UNKNOWN]: To get on the same page.
43:08 --> 43:08 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
43:10 --> 43:10 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
43:11 --> 43:15 [UNKNOWN]: Next scene, John walks into a gun shop to buy a scope.
43:17 --> 43:21 [UNKNOWN]: While he's observing the compound, how returns from outer space.
43:22 --> 43:35 [UNKNOWN]: Let me start that scene off with Walkaway by the James gang that is off the 1971 album 3rds and it's the last studio album featuring Joe Wolch before Joe Wolch joined the Eagles.
43:36 --> 43:37 [UNKNOWN]: Very memorable song.
43:39 --> 43:47 [UNKNOWN]: But here we have a black band walk it into a gun shop in rural farmland America.
43:49 --> 43:53 [UNKNOWN]: And he's the nicest man that he is so pleasant.
43:53 --> 43:54 [UNKNOWN]: He gives no offense.
43:56 --> 43:58 [UNKNOWN]: He is trying, he is as smooth as possible.
44:00 --> 44:02 [UNKNOWN]: And I was like, wow, I really felt that.
44:03 --> 44:11 [UNKNOWN]: Him putting on the nice, hi, I'm just a nice guy, you know, and I just need, you know, like, I don't know, what'd you make of this, the scene?
44:12 --> 44:13 [UNKNOWN]: No, I love that.
44:15 --> 44:27 [UNKNOWN]: He's not only just, he's taken up space, you know, he's a black man, he's a rather large black man, and he's training to be a superhero.
44:29 --> 44:32 [UNKNOWN]: And they know, and they know all these three things in this scene.
44:34 --> 44:35 [UNKNOWN]: He is taking off space.
44:35 --> 44:39 [UNKNOWN]: He's not going to allow himself to be made smaller than.
44:40 --> 44:42 [UNKNOWN]: He steps up to the counter.
44:42 --> 44:43 [UNKNOWN]: You're having small talking, not talking business.
44:44 --> 44:46 [UNKNOWN]: I need to do something.
44:47 --> 44:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not here to wait.
44:49 --> 44:50 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not here to ask permission.
44:51 --> 44:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'm here to get something.
44:54 --> 44:55 [UNKNOWN]: And this is what it's about.
44:56 --> 45:02 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not going to be weak about it.
45:05 --> 45:09 [UNKNOWN]: but he was not in any way, not his intimidating self.
45:09 --> 45:09 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
45:10 --> 45:17 [UNKNOWN]: Because he can only be his intimidating self to certain people and that's how I read that scene.
45:17 --> 45:24 [UNKNOWN]: Like this is a black man who is not afraid to take up space, whatever the space may be.
45:24 --> 45:28 [UNKNOWN]: And those dudes were rude the moment he walked in.
45:29 --> 45:32 [UNKNOWN]: But the thing is that made the scene was that,
45:34 --> 45:44 [UNKNOWN]: Not only could you have, guess it's because maybe he's black, but they know he's the green lantern and training, right?
45:45 --> 45:47 [UNKNOWN]: And they don't want them in the town.
45:49 --> 45:53 [UNKNOWN]: So there's this animosity there on their part, right?
45:54 --> 45:59 [UNKNOWN]: So it's like these these two things that are at play here in this
46:04 --> 46:17 [UNKNOWN]: And imagine being a, say you say one were a meek or a person walking into that shop with those dudes in there.
46:19 --> 46:20 [UNKNOWN]: very intimidating.
46:20 --> 46:27 [UNKNOWN]: I might have just turned around and walked away, just like the song says, like, oh, this isn't a place for me.
46:28 --> 46:28 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
46:28 --> 46:28 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
46:29 --> 46:29 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
46:30 --> 46:30 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
46:30 --> 46:33 [UNKNOWN]: In the moment that you can't do this, you can't do that.
46:33 --> 46:34 [UNKNOWN]: You can't buy.
46:36 --> 46:42 [UNKNOWN]: You know, if you want the tomato sandwich, you got to buy the ham with it was hilarious because he's a vegan, right?
46:43 --> 46:46 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, I suppose if I want the tomato, I've got to buy the ham.
46:46 --> 46:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like if you like at first glance, I did not get the subtlety of that joke, but then it's like, no, wait, he's a vegan.
46:53 --> 46:55 [UNKNOWN]: He's got to buy the ham to get the tomato.
46:55 --> 46:56 [UNKNOWN]: That's so good.
46:58 --> 47:04 [UNKNOWN]: But he couldn't, like, anybody else, I would have been in Tim, that would have been timid, the shit out of me and I would laugh.
47:04 --> 47:04 [UNKNOWN]: There's no way.
47:04 --> 47:05 [UNKNOWN]: But that's the same.
47:06 --> 47:17 [UNKNOWN]: That's the thing that makes this scene work for me is because being black in our real America, it's about taking up space.
47:18 --> 47:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's about saying, no, I belong here.
47:23 --> 47:25 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't care what you have to say.
47:26 --> 47:33 [UNKNOWN]: I'm here and you will recognize that I am here and I'm here to do business or whatever.
47:33 --> 47:36 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm not going to mess with you, I'm not going to mess with your business.
47:36 --> 47:37 [UNKNOWN]: I know what I need.
47:37 --> 47:38 [UNKNOWN]: Here's the money.
47:38 --> 47:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's all good.
47:40 --> 47:40 [UNKNOWN]: Peace.
47:41 --> 47:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
47:42 --> 47:48 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm not going to pretend that I don't need what I need because you're in the store.
47:50 --> 47:50 [UNKNOWN]: No.
47:50 --> 47:51 [UNKNOWN]: We're not doing that.
47:52 --> 47:54 [UNKNOWN]: And he was clear about what he wanted to.
47:54 --> 47:56 [UNKNOWN]: He was like, I don't think a Schmidt in Bender.
47:57 --> 47:58 [UNKNOWN]: for a loophole.
47:59 --> 48:03 [UNKNOWN]: Now, the thing about the loopholes are their lighter weight and lower in price.
48:04 --> 48:05 [UNKNOWN]: I did some pretty search yesterday.
48:06 --> 48:09 [UNKNOWN]: And this from it in the benders are heavy construction.
48:09 --> 48:13 [UNKNOWN]: They're like really solid pieces of work, better optics.
48:14 --> 48:19 [UNKNOWN]: And they cost between $4 and $7, depending on on what you get and the model and all that kind of stuff.
48:19 --> 48:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know where John was.
48:20 --> 48:21 [UNKNOWN]: I'm that
48:23 --> 48:25 [UNKNOWN]: He was like, he didn't even count it out.
48:25 --> 48:26 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, here you go.
48:26 --> 48:28 [UNKNOWN]: There you go.
48:28 --> 48:28 [UNKNOWN]: We got you.
48:29 --> 48:31 [UNKNOWN]: And then he mentions a McMillan rifle.
48:32 --> 48:40 [UNKNOWN]: And those rifles are high, yeah, though the among sniper circles, that is a rifle of note.
48:41 --> 48:44 [UNKNOWN]: They're known for their extremely, their extreme long range accuracy.
48:45 --> 48:50 [UNKNOWN]: So he came in talking like he knew what he was talking about, because he does know what he's talking about.
48:50 --> 48:51 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
48:53 --> 48:56 [UNKNOWN]: And he was at arrogant about that knowledge.
48:56 --> 48:58 [UNKNOWN]: He, but he was like, I know what I'm talking about.
48:58 --> 48:59 [UNKNOWN]: And I know what I need.
49:00 --> 49:07 [UNKNOWN]: And so here's, you know, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, and if you want to, hey, because you want to have some playful banter about it, we can talk about it and do whatever.
49:08 --> 49:12 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm not going to not get what I want out of this transaction.
49:12 --> 49:13 [UNKNOWN]: All right, all right.
49:15 --> 49:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just took the scope.
49:17 --> 49:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you, right, you, the dude made out, man, that guy, like, he kept the rifle and got that hole.
49:25 --> 49:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I told you what I needed, I don't know what, I don't know what, I got what I needed.
49:30 --> 49:34 [UNKNOWN]: I came in for one thing, you know, saying, keep the rest, I'm good.
49:35 --> 49:42 [UNKNOWN]: So then we get how just being a jerk and landing in front of him as he's scoping out.
49:42 --> 49:45 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, where were you, I was, I was getting laid in space.
49:48 --> 50:05 [UNKNOWN]: just lies on lies on like this, this show man, like, when can somebody start telling the truth around you, can someone do anyone just start telling the lies on this truth around you?
50:05 --> 50:07 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, man.
50:08 --> 50:15 [UNKNOWN]: And we have, yep, nope, you're, I'm like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think back the only thing who's the only person that's really truthful.
50:15 --> 50:17 [UNKNOWN]: I guess is it sheriff care sheriff, maybe.
50:17 --> 50:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
50:18 --> 50:19 [UNKNOWN]: So far, maybe.
50:19 --> 50:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
50:22 --> 50:26 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, she said she's from Gotham and, and now she's from Gotham.
50:26 --> 50:27 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
50:27 --> 50:29 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know,
50:30 --> 50:34 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I got another little clip here for us to consider.
50:34 --> 50:35 [UNKNOWN]: That building is a winy.
50:36 --> 50:37 [UNKNOWN]: What do you say?
50:37 --> 50:40 [UNKNOWN]: It's an architectural term that Walt Disney made it for.
50:40 --> 50:44 [UNKNOWN]: Structures on his property think, uh, sleeping beauties castle in Disneyland.
50:44 --> 50:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you've been in Disneyland?
50:46 --> 50:47 [UNKNOWN]: Of course not.
50:47 --> 50:48 [UNKNOWN]: They didn't let me in.
50:48 --> 50:51 [UNKNOWN]: It was the happiest place on Earth, but they, they set off killed a body.
50:52 --> 50:53 [UNKNOWN]: Did you just make a joke?
50:57 --> 51:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it
51:29 --> 51:50 [UNKNOWN]: So, yes, a weenie is an element of design philosophy developed by Walt Disney, the Wikipedia page says applied to both architecture to provide by a major eye drawing structure like sleeping beauty's castle and visual storytelling is similar to a maguffin, a weenie deliberately
51:57 --> 51:59 [UNKNOWN]: And boy did we get some weenies this episode.
52:03 --> 52:08 [UNKNOWN]: So like I love the just the game within game that's going on here.
52:08 --> 52:20 [UNKNOWN]: Like they are these writers are having fun writing a show that is a grounded cop drama with rings and superheroes.
52:21 --> 52:46 [UNKNOWN]: that's a buddy cop thing and they know that they're doing it and the characters inside of it know that they're doing it so like there's just this inter just this complete self referential thing that's going on in the show it is so good it's just so good I don't know what to say yeah yeah it's crazy all right the the chopper lands at the same time
52:51 --> 53:18 [UNKNOWN]: uh... and uh... i just love the idea of i want it i really really really wanted to see how either carry john like a baby or have john right in like a horse i know what you what i wanted more maybe that should be a four on the discord uh... gosh john's like i'm good i'm glad my brother said i'm good on that
53:21 --> 53:28 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man, all right, let's take another quick break and then when we come back we'll get into our next scene, we'll be right back.
53:40 --> 53:40 [UNKNOWN]: And we're back.
53:41 --> 53:46 [UNKNOWN]: John and Hal meet with a sheriff king at Sheriff Kerry, sorry, at her husband's bar.
53:47 --> 53:51 [UNKNOWN]: They brief her on the man hunter and their plan to visit the Weenie.
53:51 --> 53:59 [UNKNOWN]: John is visited by Lyanna, who orders him to recite the Green Lantern oath the next time he's in possession of the ring.
54:00 --> 54:08 [UNKNOWN]: She expresses her doubt in him about him and goats him into bad math, bad nothing, how.
54:09 --> 54:13 [UNKNOWN]: What do you, uh, what did you make of this, this whole set up here?
54:15 --> 54:17 [UNKNOWN]: That's let me get the obvious out of the way.
54:18 --> 54:30 [UNKNOWN]: When she teleports out, her body did not look like that of what we saw when she showed Bernadette her quote unquote true form.
54:33 --> 54:33 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
54:33 --> 54:33 [UNKNOWN]: Uh huh.
54:33 --> 54:34 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
54:35 --> 54:44 [UNKNOWN]: So if it happens really quickly, if you go back to the scene, she's teleporting out of there, much smaller.
54:46 --> 54:50 [UNKNOWN]: You can see the designs on her outfit that she's wearing.
54:50 --> 54:51 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
54:52 --> 54:55 [UNKNOWN]: And it looks, she looks nothing like what she showed burning up.
54:56 --> 54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
54:58 --> 55:01 [UNKNOWN]: So we get some more lying liars who are lying.
55:01 --> 55:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
55:04 --> 55:20 [UNKNOWN]: the way that she, the way that Leanna just twist and twist to get him to just to get John Jr. just to be to unload about how.
55:21 --> 55:37 [UNKNOWN]: just so that was so good that it was it one of the those kinds of scenes in a cop movie where somebody's wired and they're trying to get the bad guy to say why yes I sold uh you know you know here is a
55:38 --> 55:49 [UNKNOWN]: truckload of cocaine that I just brought in and if you there is a ten million dollars on the table I will take that from you now so that you can have the cocaine Like is it that kind of thing where they're trying to get them to do something?
55:49 --> 55:51 [UNKNOWN]: Because she really does push his button.
55:51 --> 55:52 [UNKNOWN]: She's...
55:53 --> 55:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
55:53 --> 55:55 [UNKNOWN]: Man, she's really after him.
55:57 --> 55:58 [UNKNOWN]: And it's making...
55:58 --> 55:59 [UNKNOWN]: He knows right what to say, too.
56:00 --> 56:04 [UNKNOWN]: And does she know that... That's what he's saying.
56:04 --> 56:05 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm wondering.
56:05 --> 56:06 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm wondering.
56:07 --> 56:09 [UNKNOWN]: Was that a set up of some kind, right?
56:11 --> 56:14 [UNKNOWN]: To play back and who I got to do this.
56:14 --> 56:14 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:14 --> 56:15 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:15 --> 56:15 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:15 --> 56:16 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:16 --> 56:17 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:17 --> 56:17 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:17 --> 56:21 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:21 --> 56:21 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:21 --> 56:22 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:22 --> 56:22 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:23 --> 56:23 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:23 --> 56:24 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:24 --> 56:25 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:25 --> 56:26 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:26 --> 56:26 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:26 --> 56:27 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:27 --> 56:28 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:28 --> 56:28 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:29 --> 56:30 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:30 --> 56:30 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:30 --> 56:32 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:32 --> 56:32 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:32 --> 56:33 [UNKNOWN]: I got to do this.
56:39 --> 56:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's so bad.
56:41 --> 56:46 [UNKNOWN]: So question, does that work to take a ring away from another lantern?
56:48 --> 56:52 [UNKNOWN]: I... Because the ring still had to have chosen you though.
56:52 --> 56:53 [UNKNOWN]: Like, that's what was going to be.
56:53 --> 56:54 [UNKNOWN]: Not me.
56:54 --> 56:55 [UNKNOWN]: Not that I'm aware of.
56:55 --> 56:56 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
56:57 --> 56:58 [UNKNOWN]: Not that I'm aware of.
56:59 --> 57:07 [UNKNOWN]: I know of one lantern who was, whose ring was made, one green lantern, whose ring was made specially for them.
57:10 --> 57:22 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if any, I can't think of an example where someone just took the ring, recited the oath and they became the Green Lantern while the previous Green Lantern was still alive.
57:23 --> 57:30 [UNKNOWN]: Like, what was to stop Sheriff Kerry or Billy making from because they both handled the ring in this episode?
57:32 --> 57:41 [UNKNOWN]: they could have just said that oath and would they have become the green lantern, but the, but, but how does the, the ring choose the bear right?
57:43 --> 57:51 [UNKNOWN]: Because it's almost as if the way that they presented it here was like, like the worst hammer.
57:52 --> 57:54 [UNKNOWN]: If you're worthy, you can pick it up.
57:54 --> 57:55 [UNKNOWN]: You can pick it up.
57:55 --> 57:55 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
57:56 --> 57:56 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
57:57 --> 58:02 [UNKNOWN]: So it's almost a suggestion that John Stuart Jr. is worthy.
58:02 --> 58:06 [UNKNOWN]: So therefore if he takes the ring, he decides to oath then boom.
58:06 --> 58:07 [UNKNOWN]: He becomes really lented.
58:08 --> 58:12 [UNKNOWN]: I've not, I don't think that works.
58:12 --> 58:12 [UNKNOWN]: That's okay.
58:14 --> 58:21 [UNKNOWN]: And it may be part of the honest plan to put that out there.
58:22 --> 58:29 [UNKNOWN]: Like if you do this thing, then you'll be the thing that you wanna be.
58:29 --> 58:31 [UNKNOWN]: But what if you do it, and it doesn't work?
58:33 --> 58:34 [UNKNOWN]: And how is looking at you?
58:35 --> 58:35 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
58:36 --> 58:38 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I didn't eat, oh shit.
58:39 --> 58:41 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, shit.
58:41 --> 58:43 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't even think about that possibility.
58:44 --> 58:45 [UNKNOWN]: Like he slips it on.
58:46 --> 58:50 [UNKNOWN]: Everything, everything, everything, you know, and Green Lantern's like, and then how's gonna be like,
58:52 --> 58:53 [UNKNOWN]: What are you doing?
58:56 --> 58:56 [UNKNOWN]: That ain't so.
58:56 --> 58:57 [UNKNOWN]: Thinking about that.
58:59 --> 59:11 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't think the show has set the premise that the ring doesn't go in search of someone after a lantern dies.
59:11 --> 59:13 [UNKNOWN]: They haven't disavowed that.
59:14 --> 59:17 [UNKNOWN]: So that's why I'm doubting what she's saying here.
59:19 --> 59:24 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have any evidence yet to show me that that could be a possibility.
59:28 --> 59:40 [UNKNOWN]: Man, oh man, so this is what I was saying before, it's not an episode like this episode is like blown my mind and like, I don't know what's true anymore in this show.
59:42 --> 59:50 [UNKNOWN]: right, I don't know, and I don't know where they're taking us because these threats could be coming from any number of directions.
59:51 --> 59:54 [UNKNOWN]: We know we have an alien hit squad out there.
59:55 --> 01:00:01 [UNKNOWN]: Those guys seem to be operating separately, but then the Gootier is guy knew a lot about what they were saying, but then
01:00:02 --> 01:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: But then Sinestro knows a bunch of stuff.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:09 [UNKNOWN]: And Leanna, she knows a lot of stuff as well.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:13 [UNKNOWN]: So like, oh, man, I don't know.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what to think, but I'm happy.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not, I'm not gonna play.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:16 [UNKNOWN]: It's just not gonna play.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:24 [UNKNOWN]: So we mentioned this before, Carrie, we confirmed that Carrie is from Gotham.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:27 [UNKNOWN]: But then why is she in this town of Altown?
01:00:29 --> 01:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: What is she running from?
01:00:33 --> 01:00:41 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, is there only one small town in this version of Gotham, America or whatever this is?
01:00:41 --> 01:00:59 [UNKNOWN]: And the thing is, she's a cop, she's a sheriff, and she was able to talk to Jim Gordon, and she asked about, you know, best, which is Barbara Gordon, a bag girl, so just, and she
01:01:04 --> 01:01:10 [UNKNOWN]: like, why, why she here, why, why, why, why, why?
01:01:10 --> 01:01:11 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:11 --> 01:01:11 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:11 --> 01:01:11 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:11 --> 01:01:12 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:12 --> 01:01:12 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:13 --> 01:01:13 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:13 --> 01:01:14 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:17 --> 01:01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Why did you have to get out of Gotham?
01:01:19 --> 01:01:21 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my husband and I don't have that kind of relationship.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:22 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:01:24 --> 01:01:25 [UNKNOWN]: What kind of relationship do you have?
01:01:26 --> 01:01:28 [UNKNOWN]: Like the man hunter kind?
01:01:29 --> 01:01:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: And how are you accessing all these databases and hacking into all this information?
01:01:35 --> 01:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: Just hack me hack me hack.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:37 [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:42 [UNKNOWN]: With your little to sheep at Toughbook there or whatever those are.
01:01:44 --> 01:01:48 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, so carry like she's on the list too.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:49 [UNKNOWN]: She's on the list.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:50 [UNKNOWN]: She's on the list.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry for, you know, this is not my list of evil that I have for silent.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:59 [UNKNOWN]: It's a completely different.
01:01:59 --> 01:01:59 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:01 [UNKNOWN]: It's on this list.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:01 [UNKNOWN]: He's on this list.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:03 [UNKNOWN]: You have to say, uh,
01:02:08 --> 01:02:22 [UNKNOWN]: There's a conversation between Mr. and Mrs. Sims that, man, I got such strong lantern vibes and Stuart vibes, Stuart parent parental vibes from.
01:02:22 --> 01:02:25 [UNKNOWN]: And then that's kind of what I locked into silo.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:27 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, okay, silo is operating, right?
01:02:27 --> 01:02:28 [UNKNOWN]: There's stuff going on here.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: But there was a really, really cool conversation between those two characters that really pinged me for this show.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:36 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:44 [UNKNOWN]: All right, John proposes an idea to how to tunnel in under the tower so that they can gain access without being seen.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:51 [UNKNOWN]: How gives John the ring to manifest the tunneling machine, but John does not see the oath.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:55 [UNKNOWN]: as they walk in under the compound, they share some personal details.
01:02:55 --> 01:03:08 [UNKNOWN]: And once inside the weanie, they discover a weapon's laboratory factory thing, but they trigger an alarm and they're captured by Macan's guards.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:14 [UNKNOWN]: This was like more like what the F is going on here.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:35 [UNKNOWN]: like the whole ring digging machine that was all cool right like that was like okay no i get that that's right that's right right he builds from the inside out and assembles the whole thing together so that's all good like what oh where did you oh i'm i'm creative i went to art school or buddy stuff
01:03:38 --> 01:03:46 [UNKNOWN]: But then in that moment where how says that his mom dies of cancer, John loses concentration.
01:03:48 --> 01:03:51 [UNKNOWN]: So again, they're signaling to us that John is a softie.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:54 [UNKNOWN]: Not a softie.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:56 [UNKNOWN]: That's not the way I would say that.
01:03:56 --> 01:03:59 [UNKNOWN]: That he has an emotionally complex person in hearing.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:01 [UNKNOWN]: He is in touch with his emotions.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:03 [UNKNOWN]: He has not just box them up into a concrete box.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:05 [UNKNOWN]: He's stuck at the bottom of the ocean.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:10 [UNKNOWN]: He actually cares for people and things and has emotions and feels as emotions.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:18 [UNKNOWN]: So what else do you have from this?
01:04:19 --> 01:04:26 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so you spoke about a little bit about just how different John's mind operates.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:39 [UNKNOWN]: We can see the intricacies of what he's constructing with the ring, as opposed to how we've seen how in God's partner use their rings on screen.
01:04:45 --> 01:05:02 [UNKNOWN]: will, the intricate constructs still remain, will his brain be able to operate in that capacity still when lives are on the line, when things are dire, you know, because that's his training.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: that's his training in the army to be able to just focus even when the ship is going to hell around you.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:12 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:13 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm through it.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:19 [UNKNOWN]: I'm super interested to see how that happens when he's not in training mode.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:26 [UNKNOWN]: He's able to work through it except when it comes to his family.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, and the bird sustained, but the digging machine like flickered when he got emotionally interrupted, the bird sustained when he was under fire, under pressure, fighting.
01:05:56 --> 01:05:58 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, good point, good point.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:02 [UNKNOWN]: The machine flickered when he felt something.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:12 [UNKNOWN]: So remember way back to the beginning when I was like, oh, the ring is like this device that lets us see into the inner psychological workings of characters.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:15 [UNKNOWN]: There you go.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:16 [UNKNOWN]: There you go.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:17 [UNKNOWN]: There you go.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:18 [UNKNOWN]: There it is.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: He's right there for you.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:23 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:30 [UNKNOWN]: And the second thing I'll say about this scene, um, set it off, indeed, is a dope ass movie.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: If you haven't seen it, if you haven't seen it, if you haven't seen it, go see it.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:40 [UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, put it on, you know, it's a dope ass movie, you know, let's just put it on.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:42 [UNKNOWN]: There was the, where was that quote?
01:06:42 --> 01:06:48 [UNKNOWN]: Because I remember hearing it the first watching, but I missed it in my read and when I was doing my notes this afternoon.
01:06:49 --> 01:07:08 [UNKNOWN]: why when when how stepped on uh oh that's a long yeah and he's about to drop the 185 poundish kettlebell that he picks up with no problem no probably no problem
01:07:11 --> 01:07:24 [UNKNOWN]: set it off 1996 American crime fiction written by Mississippi to film stars Jada Pinkett Queen Latifa, Bivica Fox and Kimberley Lee.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:33 [UNKNOWN]: And for friends in Los Angeles who plan to execute a big rubbery.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:34 [UNKNOWN]: Don't movie.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:35 [UNKNOWN]: Don't movie.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:37 [UNKNOWN]: Haven't thought about that in a long time.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't remember.
01:07:40 --> 01:08:03 [UNKNOWN]: shit yeah that was a long time ago but yes you that's what i'm saying is is that they dropping all these little hints and little winks and nods the things that are contemporary and current but it never feels like a writer is saying it always feels like the character is saying stuff but the thing is who is just like john saw that movie right
01:08:05 --> 01:08:11 [UNKNOWN]: You know, everything that we've seen about John would make you think that he had not seen that woman.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:18 [UNKNOWN]: If you remember how he was being teased by his brothers, but the way that, but he was exposed.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:21 [UNKNOWN]: He saw that moving.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:25 [UNKNOWN]: And so it's like, yes, John is.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: down.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:30 [UNKNOWN]: He's down.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:31 [UNKNOWN]: He's with us, you know what I mean?
01:08:32 --> 01:08:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:34 [UNKNOWN]: He's not disconnected.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:38 [UNKNOWN]: He's not like, yes, he's part of the community.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:40 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:44 [UNKNOWN]: And that's why he walks into that into that story and takes up his space.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:47 [UNKNOWN]: He's not doubting.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:51 [UNKNOWN]: nice.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:56 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you make of these, uh, darkness guns?
01:08:57 --> 01:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was dope.
01:08:59 --> 01:09:07 [UNKNOWN]: Anything, not that we have to get all comic book glory about it, but is there anything in comics that gives you some clues to that, not that you could use.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:10 [UNKNOWN]: Off the top of my head, I couldn't, I couldn't.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:19 [UNKNOWN]: I was just wrapped up in how dope the scene was, so I didn't go back to look, but off the top of my head, I can't recall the darkness guns.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:25 [UNKNOWN]: But that's cool then, they're thinking and making up new stuff like that.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:27 [UNKNOWN]: We'll check that.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:27 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: So when we see those guns on that table, there's several of them there on these little hand holders and stuff.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:48 [UNKNOWN]: Below them, there are these little puck-like flat sort of, I don't know, I just pox, that's what they seem to be.
01:09:48 --> 01:10:02 [UNKNOWN]: And the physical design on the etching, on the facing of them, looked and made me think a lot about the way that the alien detector modules and the laser beam modules are
01:10:04 --> 01:10:06 [UNKNOWN]: sort of cut in the designing of those.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:19 [UNKNOWN]: So they, you know, at a base level, visually, they're creating a visual style, visual language for this alien technology has a visual language to it.
01:10:20 --> 01:10:27 [UNKNOWN]: what those things are beyond that, who knows maybe it doesn't matter ever, they were just like set deck stuff to create ambiance.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:34 [UNKNOWN]: But even if it was, they're doing it consistently and creating a consistent look for Israeli and text.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:38 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's so interesting that the ring wouldn't work because you couldn't see.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:45 [UNKNOWN]: There's no light.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:46 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:46 [UNKNOWN]: What's the ove?
01:10:52 --> 01:10:53 [UNKNOWN]: Damn, what is the ocean?
01:10:54 --> 01:10:59 [UNKNOWN]: Now I need to read the ocean green, land, turn, ocean.
01:10:59 --> 01:11:01 [UNKNOWN]: And brightest day, right?
01:11:02 --> 01:11:05 [UNKNOWN]: And blackest night, no evil shadow escaped my sight.
01:11:06 --> 01:11:11 [UNKNOWN]: Let those worship evil's might be where my power green lanterns light.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:16 [UNKNOWN]: And they denied them light.
01:11:16 --> 01:11:17 [UNKNOWN]: Light.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:20 [UNKNOWN]: And he's
01:11:22 --> 01:11:26 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder how Hal would have responded in that situation.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:31 [UNKNOWN]: What do you mean, a big box fan and blowing all the smoke away in that instant?
01:11:32 --> 01:11:39 [UNKNOWN]: Like the thing is that Hal has done this long enough and he's quick enough and he's clever enough.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:44 [UNKNOWN]: Where John is a little bit slower on the draw, right?
01:11:44 --> 01:11:45 [UNKNOWN]: And a little bit.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:57 [UNKNOWN]: like when they're in the processing room, how just sort of manifests the bubble around them because he anticipates what's coming.
01:11:57 --> 01:11:57 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:11:58 --> 01:11:59 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:07 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if he, I wonder how he would have reacted if he happened to be where?
01:12:08 --> 01:12:09 [UNKNOWN]: If he would have been able to negate that.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:13 [UNKNOWN]: Because he's quick like that.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:15 [UNKNOWN]: He's test pilot quick like that.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:12:16 --> 01:12:37 [UNKNOWN]: in John's still new the first hint of a cloud he's like oh shit yeah big box fat woo you know what what whatever you know that's that's what comes to my mind right that's what I need yeah big standing fan cool all right I didn't even think about that that's a really I really liked that that's the way the darkness works
01:12:39 --> 01:12:43 [UNKNOWN]: Next scene, John and Hal are brought before Macon, who asked John to draw him.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:47 [UNKNOWN]: Zoey brings John a pad and charcoal pencils.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:50 [UNKNOWN]: Well, Macon explains that his benefactor is also his savior.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:54 [UNKNOWN]: Sheriff Kerry springs the boys and takes them back to their motel.
01:12:54 --> 01:13:01 [UNKNOWN]: She explains that she's hacked Billy's files and is close to discovering the identity of the man hunter.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:05 [UNKNOWN]: I will say that Shazam could not pick up the music
01:13:07 --> 01:13:14 [UNKNOWN]: Billy put on with that record, even though I kind of recognized it, so if anybody's got a line on that and started a big deal, but it would be just a fun little trivia thing.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:25 [UNKNOWN]: And did you notice that making has one of those alien detectives, right center on the edge of his desk?
01:13:25 --> 01:13:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:31 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, you don't want that thing to do.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:34 [UNKNOWN]: Not playing games, not playing games.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that playing games.
01:13:37 --> 01:13:56 [UNKNOWN]: they okay so they lose the ring that's bad right like you should as a green green lantern you don't want to lose possession of your ring like that seems to be like a bad thing to do make in picks it up looks at it puts it down
01:13:57 --> 01:14:07 [UNKNOWN]: And then Carrie, Sheriff, Carrie picks it up and takes it with her, neither John nor Hal think to pick it up when they go to leave with her.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: She scoops it up.
01:14:09 --> 01:14:17 [UNKNOWN]: But when before making picks it up and after making puts it down, they show us the ring twice.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:20 [UNKNOWN]: What's that about?
01:14:22 --> 01:14:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:26 [UNKNOWN]: It makes me very suspicious.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:34 [UNKNOWN]: Because you don't put something like that twice on the screen unless you want to make me think about why did you do that.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: Why did you put that there twice right.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:41 [UNKNOWN]: It may not mean anything.
01:14:41 --> 01:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but like, you know, hey, they just want to show off the ring.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:48 [UNKNOWN]: Props proper part, but just wanted a little love.
01:14:48 --> 01:14:49 [UNKNOWN]: And so they said, all right, here we go.
01:14:49 --> 01:14:50 [UNKNOWN]: We will give you a couple of shots on it.
01:14:52 --> 01:14:58 [UNKNOWN]: but I could I took screenshots of it and I could to detect no discernible differences between the two.
01:14:58 --> 01:14:58 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:02 [UNKNOWN]: Like he palmed it, it's a different ring, anything like that.
01:15:02 --> 01:15:03 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't see anything.
01:15:04 --> 01:15:11 [UNKNOWN]: The only thing that I do notice though is that the gold, the metal around the green bits is really gold.
01:15:11 --> 01:15:12 [UNKNOWN]: That's yellow.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:20 [UNKNOWN]: hasn't always been yellow.
01:15:20 --> 01:15:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:15:21 --> 01:15:22 [UNKNOWN]: That's the question.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:46 [UNKNOWN]: But regardless of say the plot mechanical, you know, or that like the mystery box nature of the show, the medical context I like about it is that fear and bravery are intertwined.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:47 [UNKNOWN]: They're connected like that.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:49 [UNKNOWN]: What is the green light?
01:15:49 --> 01:15:53 [UNKNOWN]: Actually, what's the social emotional will power?
01:15:53 --> 01:15:54 [UNKNOWN]: Will power.
01:15:55 --> 01:16:00 [UNKNOWN]: So your will power is tempered by fear, right?
01:16:00 --> 01:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: And they're two, they're two things are related to each other.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:06 [UNKNOWN]: and you don't necessarily get one without the other.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: Can one exist without the other?
01:16:09 --> 01:16:10 [UNKNOWN]: I guess we're gonna find out.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:14 [UNKNOWN]: So, love that, love that sort of juxtaposition.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:15 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good question.
01:16:15 --> 01:16:17 [UNKNOWN]: I do, like, where else have we seen closer?
01:16:18 --> 01:16:21 [UNKNOWN]: Have we seen close-ups of the ring in earlier episodes?
01:16:21 --> 01:16:23 [UNKNOWN]: I think in the first episode.
01:16:23 --> 01:16:25 [UNKNOWN]: That would be the thing to do is to go back.
01:16:25 --> 01:16:26 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone who's listening?
01:16:27 --> 01:16:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, go do some sleuths.
01:16:28 --> 01:16:30 [UNKNOWN]: If you wanna go down this rabbit hole with us,
01:16:32 --> 01:16:37 [UNKNOWN]: You see, if there was the ring, any yellow in it.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:44 [UNKNOWN]: There are any differences between the rings that we saw in episode four and the previous episodes.
01:16:44 --> 01:16:49 [UNKNOWN]: Because I thought for sure, like, okay, he picked up, put it down, and then they show it to us that twice.
01:16:49 --> 01:16:51 [UNKNOWN]: Like, what's different about note?
01:16:51 --> 01:16:53 [UNKNOWN]: As far as I could tell, they were the same.
01:16:53 --> 01:16:56 [UNKNOWN]: They're lighting, there's a little bit different lighting and tonality to them.
01:16:56 --> 01:16:59 [UNKNOWN]: But that's just from the cinematography work that I tell.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:03 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:17:03 --> 01:17:05 [UNKNOWN]: Anything else about this?
01:17:05 --> 01:17:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, just like.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:11 [UNKNOWN]: I immediately thought, oh, my.
01:17:12 --> 01:17:13 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:13 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I immediately thought, oh, my.
01:17:17 --> 01:17:20 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, guys, pulling our own mind on me with the.
01:17:21 --> 01:17:21 [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:22 [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:23 [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:24 [UNKNOWN]: I don't really know where I'm going to do.
01:17:24 --> 01:17:25 [UNKNOWN]: I say what that was like.
01:17:25 --> 01:17:39 [UNKNOWN]: So, but yeah, it was, it was a good scene to see how bothered, how was, and how unbothered and totally just in the zone of what he had to do, John was.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:17:41 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like blinders.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, how was all I thought this is weird, right?
01:17:47 --> 01:17:49 [UNKNOWN]: You can holster up partner.
01:17:50 --> 01:17:52 [UNKNOWN]: That's scary.
01:17:53 --> 01:17:56 [UNKNOWN]: Now I want to go off in fit.
01:17:56 --> 01:17:57 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:01 [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to get out that room.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:07 [UNKNOWN]: So fast and John is just sitting there like, okay, yeah, well, he's been into the art school, right?
01:18:07 --> 01:18:09 [UNKNOWN]: He's done that whenever.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:12 [UNKNOWN]: He's not intimidated by other man's penis.
01:18:12 --> 01:18:13 [UNKNOWN]: Not intimidated at all.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:14 [UNKNOWN]: Right?
01:18:14 --> 01:18:15 [UNKNOWN]: Like he knows.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:16 [UNKNOWN]: Not embarrassed about it.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:16 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:18 [UNKNOWN]: Totally chill.
01:18:18 --> 01:18:21 [UNKNOWN]: Regardless of whether he's going to art school or not, right?
01:18:21 --> 01:18:22 [UNKNOWN]: But I got half.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well then Carrie comes in she's like dad put your dick away like she's been here before
01:18:36 --> 01:18:38 [UNKNOWN]: Like this is a normal Tuesday.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this again, you're doing this again.
01:18:41 --> 01:18:44 [UNKNOWN]: Come on, come on, let's get out of here.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:47 [UNKNOWN]: That's rather disturbing.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:49 [UNKNOWN]: It is, it is on making a part.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's just in a robe naked there, like with a bunch of his guards, his goons with guns around.
01:18:55 --> 01:18:58 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, yeah, I'm just naked under my robe here.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:00 [UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:13 [UNKNOWN]: In the in the in the cafe, she's like weird eccentric white guys Building castles or whatever the castles.
01:19:13 --> 01:19:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do you notice that making has a scar a horizontal scar mark.
01:19:19 --> 01:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, it's hard run over is hard.
01:19:21 --> 01:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:26 [UNKNOWN]: So we don't know what that's about the benefactor.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: He used mail or he used he him pronouns.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm describing the the benefactor.
01:19:34 --> 01:19:48 [UNKNOWN]: and that the benefactor like the whole town is in on this thing crops are growing kids are thriving nobody needs any medical attention because they're all magically healthy and that
01:19:56 --> 01:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: Allegedly allegedly when they met.
01:19:59 --> 01:20:00 [UNKNOWN]: We don't believe it.
01:20:01 --> 01:20:01 [UNKNOWN]: He needs more people.
01:20:02 --> 01:20:19 [UNKNOWN]: We don't believe that story So yeah, I don't know what to make of all of that, but like I said it's just like more stuff I'm like I don't know what's going on in the show anymore in the best possible way Because there's just so much detail that's being layered in here
01:20:22 --> 01:20:33 [UNKNOWN]: So, while John is sitting guard in his motel room, he speaks with his mother by phone, and tells her that the guardians have instructed him to take the ring from hell.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:44 [UNKNOWN]: Zoe shows up, and, well, you know, they talk and as she leaves, she gets blown up by a killer space satellite.
01:20:47 --> 01:20:48 [UNKNOWN]: So, I was trading some, I
01:20:50 --> 01:21:12 [UNKNOWN]: text message just with Ron of Dungeon dueregs a little bit earlier today and we were comparing we were just the similarity of oh you know what something I wanted to say too in the back episode sorry so put a bit in that real quick because it's related in the last scene at the end
01:21:21 --> 01:21:46 [UNKNOWN]: Not the white man, she gives it to the black guy, and then that guy is sitting by his window with it in a piece of iconography that is reminiscent of the Malcolm X picture where he's looking through the curtains holding a carbine, and I was just so struck by what this show is
01:21:49 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: and how they're using race and visual imagery and this kind of storytelling, it's just extraordinary to me.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:02 [UNKNOWN]: Thoughts might not.
01:22:03 --> 01:22:05 [UNKNOWN]: I picked up on the Malcolm scene.
01:22:05 --> 01:22:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:06 --> 01:22:08 [UNKNOWN]: Like, on jump, I picked that over there.
01:22:09 --> 01:22:11 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, let me go, that's what we do it.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:26 [UNKNOWN]: Malcolm and John, totally different people, but this one, I'm going to respect it from just from the visual aspect, I won't break it down from the other aspect, so personality is or whatever.
01:22:26 --> 01:22:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I share some views.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I respect that visual aspect of what's happening there, but I didn't read it.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:46 [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, the plan is coming for you to ask.
01:22:46 --> 01:22:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:48 --> 01:22:49 [UNKNOWN]: You gotta protect your stuff.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:52 [UNKNOWN]: And she's created just gives them the gun.
01:22:52 --> 01:22:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like here.
01:22:52 --> 01:22:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, here you go.
01:22:54 --> 01:22:57 [UNKNOWN]: Right, because I trust you because you're who you are.
01:22:59 --> 01:23:00 [UNKNOWN]: I got no bones about that.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:02 [UNKNOWN]: I know how you know, you know how to handle yourself.
01:23:02 --> 01:23:04 [UNKNOWN]: I know this is a police issued weapon.
01:23:04 --> 01:23:06 [UNKNOWN]: Like if this is involved in a shoe.
01:23:06 --> 01:23:07 [UNKNOWN]: But that's wild though.
01:23:07 --> 01:23:08 [UNKNOWN]: That's her ass.
01:23:09 --> 01:23:10 [UNKNOWN]: But that is wild.
01:23:11 --> 01:23:12 [UNKNOWN]: That's what he looks at.
01:23:13 --> 01:23:16 [UNKNOWN]: He looks at how and he's like, you're super hero, fuck off.
01:23:16 --> 01:23:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:23:16 --> 01:23:17 [UNKNOWN]: You've got a ring.
01:23:17 --> 01:23:18 [UNKNOWN]: You got the ring, y'all.
01:23:18 --> 01:23:20 [UNKNOWN]: You don't think nothing else for me.
01:23:22 --> 01:23:25 [UNKNOWN]: But that is crazy that she's just like, you know what?
01:23:25 --> 01:23:26 [UNKNOWN]: You've got to kill somebody.
01:23:26 --> 01:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: You got to kill somebody.
01:23:27 --> 01:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:23:31 --> 01:23:44 [UNKNOWN]: that was not expecting that from cherish um carry no from an episode one we've come a long way episode four but she's like you gotta chew somebody.
01:23:44 --> 01:23:45 [UNKNOWN]: I shoot them.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:46 [UNKNOWN]: I can't let them get out.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:47 [UNKNOWN]: Do what you gotta do brother do it
01:23:50 --> 01:23:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, then Zoe shows up and I love that, you know, sort of riffing again on the dick jokes.
01:23:55 --> 01:23:57 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, she's like, put that thing away.
01:23:57 --> 01:24:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, just great energy, just great flow.
01:24:03 --> 01:24:15 [UNKNOWN]: I've heard some criticism about people not understanding John engaging in sex and like having this thing.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:19 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, I don't get that criticism at all.
01:24:19 --> 01:24:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't either.
01:24:20 --> 01:24:23 [UNKNOWN]: People are getting hung up on it.
01:24:24 --> 01:24:35 [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, why would you, you're on the job, be that's, the second time that's like, you know, the suspects wife sort of thing, whatever, like why?
01:24:35 --> 01:24:42 [UNKNOWN]: And he just fall, you know, they just sort of, it just sort of happens, whatever, people like, yeah, people are catching on it.
01:24:42 --> 01:24:46 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, but he's like,
01:24:48 --> 01:24:51 [UNKNOWN]: He, uh, her and him vibe, right?
01:24:51 --> 01:24:53 [UNKNOWN]: And they, I mean, they want to see it on.
01:24:53 --> 01:24:55 [UNKNOWN]: You see it in the conversation.
01:24:55 --> 01:24:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:24:56 --> 01:25:01 [UNKNOWN]: You know, when they're laying there, you hear it in the conversation.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:02 [UNKNOWN]: You see it in the conversation.
01:25:03 --> 01:25:04 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:25:06 --> 01:25:09 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's so poof, here you go.
01:25:09 --> 01:25:11 [UNKNOWN]: He's a whole complete human being.
01:25:12 --> 01:25:12 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:25:12 --> 01:25:13 [UNKNOWN]: There's a connection there.
01:25:13 --> 01:25:14 [UNKNOWN]: And why should he not?
01:25:15 --> 01:25:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:25:15 --> 01:25:19 [UNKNOWN]: Like why would we deny that part of John Stuart Junior?
01:25:20 --> 01:25:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's the interesting thing is that people are like, oh, well, it just sort of feels like this writer thing that they're trying to get Zoe and him together, so that they can create this sort of drama and the tension.
01:25:28 --> 01:25:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, it doesn't already drama and tension.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:25:32 --> 01:25:37 [UNKNOWN]: Like that makes that criticism like totally disagree with.
01:25:37 --> 01:25:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's why I was trying to say like so what?
01:25:40 --> 01:25:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe that's his thing.
01:25:41 --> 01:25:51 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, whatever, you know, his, you know, he's a sexual person, like all human beings are, you know, maybe, you know, yeah, that's a lie.
01:25:51 --> 01:25:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't disagree.
01:25:53 --> 01:25:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't understand the criticism necessarily.
01:26:00 --> 01:26:12 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so I've got a audio clip for us here, which I think goes to this question about Zoe and Billy.
01:26:12 --> 01:26:16 [UNKNOWN]: And I think there's an interesting little mirror twist here.
01:26:16 --> 01:26:24 [UNKNOWN]: And I tell you, what I know, everything changes.
01:26:27 --> 01:26:31 [UNKNOWN]: Because if you're husband, what do you owe him?
01:26:31 --> 01:26:32 [UNKNOWN]: You read this all room?
01:26:33 --> 01:26:35 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, he owes me.
01:26:36 --> 01:26:38 [UNKNOWN]: He was dying when I met him and I saved his life.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:47 [UNKNOWN]: And now, I am trying to save yours.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:50 [UNKNOWN]: So, what did Billy say?
01:26:50 --> 01:26:52 [UNKNOWN]: The benefactor saved my life.
01:26:58 --> 01:26:59 [UNKNOWN]: What does she just say?
01:27:00 --> 01:27:02 [UNKNOWN]: He was dying and I saved his life.
01:27:05 --> 01:27:11 [UNKNOWN]: So there's some tricky wordplay going on there about who is who is actually a situation.
01:27:12 --> 01:27:15 [UNKNOWN]: Is that because the nurse, a lot of times, does save your life?
01:27:18 --> 01:27:19 [UNKNOWN]: But the benefactor saved his life.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:27 [UNKNOWN]: But the nurse also can be the one that keeps you alive.
01:27:28 --> 01:27:53 [UNKNOWN]: So what I'm saying is that there's no contradiction, there's no contradiction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there's no distinction, there
01:27:55 --> 01:28:21 [UNKNOWN]: everybody was like okay mystery solve no need for a poll like I didn't put up a poll because then I was like kind of doubting us like yeah but you know and then the more it thought about it and watch the second time I'm like there's still too much going on here that it's not I'm not locked in on Zoe I mean they could be playing the biggest long game in the history of television right making us not
01:28:24 --> 01:28:33 [UNKNOWN]: actually is only by doing all these things to make us doubt that what they've already said is true is actually true.
01:28:33 --> 01:28:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I am not in the camp that believes that Zoey is the man to act just don't.
01:28:40 --> 01:28:41 [UNKNOWN]: Do you believe that the honest a man hunter?
01:28:44 --> 01:28:45 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:46 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:28:47 --> 01:28:48 [UNKNOWN]: I still think it's Noah.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:49 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's still a little kid.
01:28:49 --> 01:28:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:28:51 --> 01:28:51 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:28:51 --> 01:28:51 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:28:51 --> 01:28:52 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:28:52 --> 01:28:52 [UNKNOWN]: I
01:28:54 --> 01:28:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
01:28:57 --> 01:29:08 [UNKNOWN]: There's too many, they're, they're intentionally stacking up the clues to like I'm all for the theory of Leona being the manager like I'm down for that theory.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:09 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm also down for the theory.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:15 [UNKNOWN]: That's always the man hunter and I'm down for the, it's Billy hiding in plain sight the whole time.
01:29:16 --> 01:29:16 [UNKNOWN]: The whole time, right?
01:29:19 --> 01:29:24 [UNKNOWN]: So, and are they going to introduce us to a character that we haven't met yet?
01:29:24 --> 01:29:24 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:29:26 --> 01:29:26 [UNKNOWN]: They still could.
01:29:26 --> 01:29:30 [UNKNOWN]: They could still bring in a third act character, big reveal thing, right?
01:29:30 --> 01:29:32 [UNKNOWN]: Which would be a good way to set up for another season.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:33 [UNKNOWN]: So.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:42 [UNKNOWN]: So when she's driving away in the truck, and again, just some great visual storytelling here with
01:29:48 --> 01:30:11 [UNKNOWN]: the I slow framed the laser beam hitting the truck and the way that the laser beams hit the cow is the same way that they hit the truck and when how brings the satellite down we clearly we see one of those detector devices on the backside of that.
01:30:12 --> 01:30:12 [UNKNOWN]: thing.
01:30:13 --> 01:30:14 [UNKNOWN]: So they're just putting it everywhere.
01:30:15 --> 01:30:18 [UNKNOWN]: Like, on Macon's desk, it's here, it's there, it's on the thing.
01:30:18 --> 01:30:31 [UNKNOWN]: So this technology is, you know, more than, so maybe those ones that were in the metal detectors, were actually not lasers, because like, why didn't you just cut those dudes up the moment that they ran?
01:30:32 --> 01:30:32 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:30:32 --> 01:30:35 [UNKNOWN]: So, but it's all part of the same technology.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:44 [UNKNOWN]: But the thing I love about this scene as well is when she tells John that you read this all wrong.
01:30:46 --> 01:30:46 [UNKNOWN]: Great.
01:30:47 --> 01:30:50 [UNKNOWN]: Because she, he's like, what does he have on you?
01:30:50 --> 01:30:50 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:30:51 --> 01:30:52 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
01:30:52 --> 01:30:54 [UNKNOWN]: You have, you got this all wrong.
01:30:54 --> 01:30:55 [UNKNOWN]: Got this all mixed up.
01:30:55 --> 01:30:56 [UNKNOWN]: Then he explained to you.
01:30:57 --> 01:31:04 [UNKNOWN]: It shows that no matter he's been conditioned, he's been trained to be this thing.
01:31:06 --> 01:31:16 [UNKNOWN]: that is fearless, but there's something else that he needs, that he hasn't been trained to do.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:20 [UNKNOWN]: And again, is how teaching them these things?
01:31:21 --> 01:31:21 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:31:22 --> 01:31:22 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:31:23 --> 01:31:32 [UNKNOWN]: Is how shown him how to work through, yes, you're good, you know, which is something his parents didn't give him?
01:31:33 --> 01:31:33 [UNKNOWN]: interesting.
01:31:34 --> 01:31:41 [UNKNOWN]: And he's having to from episode one when he's on the field, you know, all these little things.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:31:43 --> 01:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: He's not in a detective solving mode.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:31:50 --> 01:31:55 [UNKNOWN]: It's almost like the A student who has all the theory.
01:31:56 --> 01:32:05 [UNKNOWN]: and all the book learning and the real into theoretical and intellectual knowledge, but doesn't have the field skills, yeah, to really understand.
01:32:05 --> 01:32:17 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, we don't do that because, you know, we don't build with that particular material, because we're on the coast and that salt there and it would corrode it or well, you know, just the little things that you know from actually doing the job.
01:32:18 --> 01:32:44 [UNKNOWN]: That's why like when you come out of say police academy, they put you with a they pair you with a experienced officer to just teach you all the stuff that they can't teach you in the academy like how to operate on the street this this is this is not the job that he was trained to do right what he's doing right now is not the job that he was trained to do mm-hmm he was trained to put on this ring
01:32:46 --> 01:32:53 [UNKNOWN]: get in the line of whatever is trying to upend the lives of people and put a stop to that.
01:32:54 --> 01:32:59 [UNKNOWN]: Very, this is the objective and we have to stop it right now.
01:32:59 --> 01:33:00 [UNKNOWN]: Here you're orders.
01:33:00 --> 01:33:02 [UNKNOWN]: You can't be afraid of it.
01:33:02 --> 01:33:03 [UNKNOWN]: Just go and do it.
01:33:03 --> 01:33:07 [UNKNOWN]: Get ready to disperse and get rid of this thing, control this situation.
01:33:08 --> 01:33:09 [UNKNOWN]: That's not the job that he's doing right now.
01:33:09 --> 01:33:10 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:33:11 --> 01:33:26 [UNKNOWN]: And it's showing that, yes, you have to be fearless, but you also have to have these other things in order to do this job, that how has done for 30 years.
01:33:27 --> 01:33:27 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:33:31 --> 01:33:32 [UNKNOWN]: And I think it's fascinating to watch that.
01:33:36 --> 01:33:38 [UNKNOWN]: He's a, but he is a natural.
01:33:41 --> 01:33:41 [UNKNOWN]: for the job.
01:33:42 --> 01:33:44 [UNKNOWN]: He has the talent for the job.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:45 [UNKNOWN]: He just doesn't have the field.
01:33:45 --> 01:33:47 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have the 30 years field experience.
01:33:47 --> 01:33:51 [UNKNOWN]: No, he has the absolute talent to do this job.
01:33:51 --> 01:33:52 [UNKNOWN]: What I'm saying is that.
01:33:53 --> 01:33:53 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, yeah, I agree.
01:33:54 --> 01:33:55 [UNKNOWN]: I was just, I've been bellishing your point.
01:33:55 --> 01:33:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:34:00 --> 01:34:01 [UNKNOWN]: And we see that moment.
01:34:01 --> 01:34:06 [UNKNOWN]: He was like, oh, I walked out, you know, walked out on the field and the suspect clocked me.
01:34:06 --> 01:34:07 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that did not.
01:34:07 --> 01:34:08 [UNKNOWN]: Immediately.
01:34:08 --> 01:34:11 [UNKNOWN]: But then he goes and runs through the basement and heads the guy off.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:14 [UNKNOWN]: Because that's something else, that's what he's been trained to do.
01:34:15 --> 01:34:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:34:16 --> 01:34:22 [UNKNOWN]: He hasn't been trained to be inconspicuous in how you're clocking a suspect.
01:34:22 --> 01:34:23 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:34:23 --> 01:34:34 [UNKNOWN]: How you looking at somebody, to not give them the reason to look at you back and be like, all this doing the suspect right here, let me keep, I don't know what you're gonna say.
01:34:34 --> 01:34:35 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have that yet.
01:34:36 --> 01:34:36 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:34:36 --> 01:34:37 [UNKNOWN]: He needs to learn it.
01:34:37 --> 01:34:40 [UNKNOWN]: Who better to learn that from how?
01:34:40 --> 01:34:41 [UNKNOWN]: From how?
01:34:42 --> 01:34:46 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, let's take another quick break, and then we'll come back, we'll finish up the episode.
01:34:56 --> 01:35:08 [UNKNOWN]: And we're back, a clearly disturbed Sheriff Kerry helps Hal and John figure out who made the satellites as Hal and John drive to the Him and slaughterhouse, Hal asked John, how's he doing?
01:35:09 --> 01:35:22 [UNKNOWN]: John proposes a trick to hide the ring, to kind of second, you know, to not walk straight into the trap, but how the clines they investigate the slaughterhouse and confront Hammond.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:33 [UNKNOWN]: So, how has this advice about avoiding real relationships, and I was just thinking about he's not wrong, and that's the price he's paid.
01:35:38 --> 01:35:50 [UNKNOWN]: and how his beta price and what his house, he says something like, you've got to keep people at a distance for their own safety.
01:35:50 --> 01:35:50 [UNKNOWN]: Safety.
01:35:52 --> 01:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: He's not wrong.
01:35:53 --> 01:36:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's just like with the throne in House of the Dragon, right?
01:36:02 --> 01:36:07 [UNKNOWN]: The closer you are to the throne, the more danger your life is in.
01:36:09 --> 01:36:13 [UNKNOWN]: it will grind you up unless you are actively playing the Game of Thrones.
01:36:17 --> 01:36:24 [UNKNOWN]: So what this says about power, like power is dangerous, it will do you moral hazard if you don't.
01:36:26 --> 01:36:30 [UNKNOWN]: If you don't actively work against it and then even that working against it has a cost.
01:36:33 --> 01:36:36 [UNKNOWN]: So we play the game or you don't.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:40 [UNKNOWN]: And if you don't play the game, then get as far as the fuck away from it as far as you can.
01:36:45 --> 01:36:50 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think, John, if you got the ring again, like he said, he would have given him in it back.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:51 [UNKNOWN]: He just wanted to show him off a little bit.
01:36:53 --> 01:36:54 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he would have.
01:36:55 --> 01:36:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he would have given it back.
01:36:57 --> 01:36:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:57 --> 01:36:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:59 --> 01:36:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:37:00 --> 01:37:02 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he wants to be the.
01:37:03 --> 01:37:05 [UNKNOWN]: He wants to ring, but then in that way.
01:37:06 --> 01:37:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:37:08 --> 01:37:10 [UNKNOWN]: What is, what is how say to Sinestro?
01:37:10 --> 01:37:11 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not evil.
01:37:14 --> 01:37:14 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:37:14 --> 01:37:16 [UNKNOWN]: I, I'm not like you in that regard.
01:37:16 --> 01:37:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I think John is the same way.
01:37:19 --> 01:37:21 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's I think that binds them together.
01:37:21 --> 01:37:22 [UNKNOWN]: They're not.
01:37:22 --> 01:37:23 [UNKNOWN]: They're good people.
01:37:24 --> 01:37:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, ostensibly, at the end of the day, they're not he's not John is not going to pull some kind of shit like that.
01:37:31 --> 01:37:31 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:37:34 --> 01:37:41 [UNKNOWN]: I think he's probably if how wasn't such a jerk all the time, I think John would be a little bit more sympathetic in a way too.
01:37:41 --> 01:37:42 [UNKNOWN]: I think so.
01:37:43 --> 01:37:46 [UNKNOWN]: Like I get it, you know, like they're sticking me in here behind you.
01:37:48 --> 01:37:50 [UNKNOWN]: that socks for you.
01:37:50 --> 01:38:02 [UNKNOWN]: I mean think about it in the in the space of I don't know how many months or a year he gets and kicked out of the core of the army.
01:38:02 --> 01:38:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:38:02 --> 01:38:03 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:38:04 --> 01:38:11 [UNKNOWN]: And he takes the one thing a way that he's been waiting to tell his his first.
01:38:12 --> 01:38:13 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:38:13 --> 01:38:14 [UNKNOWN]: How do you start off like that?
01:38:15 --> 01:38:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:38:17 --> 01:38:20 [UNKNOWN]: And then, uh, yeah, he calls these family the hoxstables of the Midwest.
01:38:20 --> 01:38:22 [UNKNOWN]: And that's almost as bad as, uh, what, what did Ron call you?
01:38:22 --> 01:38:22 [UNKNOWN]: Um, to listen here, man.
01:38:22 --> 01:38:35 [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01:38:40 --> 01:38:52 [UNKNOWN]: So when they get to the slaughterhouse, the voice on the playback on the PA is repeating the phrase, remember, security.
01:38:52 --> 01:38:57 [UNKNOWN]: The first step towards a safer environment, stay secure, stay the juvenile.
01:38:58 --> 01:39:06 [UNKNOWN]: And then there was a sign that I took some screenshots of it and I put them in the discord and I was pulling them up here.
01:39:06 --> 01:39:12 [UNKNOWN]: We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.
01:39:14 --> 01:39:22 [UNKNOWN]: So they're doing some weird stuff here too, because Maken Billy Maken's ranch had the phrase study the past hanging from the thing as well.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:26 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have any, like, what's going on with this stuff?
01:39:27 --> 01:39:36 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, I just think it's, you see the sign, but then you also see how the, they show as the cow being slaughtered.
01:39:36 --> 01:39:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:39:38 --> 01:39:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:39:39 --> 01:39:47 [UNKNOWN]: And with that sign, it's like, okay, but we, this is an ethical, you know, form.
01:39:47 --> 01:39:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:39:48 --> 01:39:50 [UNKNOWN]: Always is it not an ethical form, you know,
01:39:56 --> 01:39:56 [UNKNOWN]: just weird stuff.
01:39:56 --> 01:39:59 [UNKNOWN]: Again, more funny lines, jazz, that can't be good.
01:39:59 --> 01:40:00 [UNKNOWN]: Took a fist to bat.
01:40:01 --> 01:40:23 [UNKNOWN]: He don't say I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I
01:40:25 --> 01:40:28 [UNKNOWN]: Right, that thing's a whole same operation, same kind of way.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:29 [UNKNOWN]: Look at the same hole.
01:40:32 --> 01:40:44 [UNKNOWN]: And then I just have to, I again, funny on the funny bit, how just sort of goes, hmm, and he just puts a bubble on him, they get splatter of blood and then they goes away.
01:40:44 --> 01:40:46 [UNKNOWN]: And then they just, they're just kind of like, that was weird.
01:40:46 --> 01:40:49 [UNKNOWN]: Like, they're just so nonchalant about it.
01:40:51 --> 01:41:02 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, those laser emitter things, just like they shot out and kind of moved around on the cow, just like they did when they hit, so he's truck.
01:41:03 --> 01:41:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:41:03 --> 01:41:10 [UNKNOWN]: In Hammond's office, Hammond threatens John's family, but not until he plays the recording of John running hell down to Leanna.
01:41:11 --> 01:41:22 [UNKNOWN]: Following his gut, how exposes Hammond as not the man hunter, but as Hector Gutierrez, an engineering student who is recruited by Billy Maken.
01:41:24 --> 01:41:25 [UNKNOWN]: Thoughts about this?
01:41:26 --> 01:41:32 [UNKNOWN]: Again, just, you know, how just being good at the shit that he does, man.
01:41:33 --> 01:41:36 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, John Jr. having to watch it.
01:41:38 --> 01:41:45 [UNKNOWN]: I really appreciate that because, like I just said before, he has a certain skill set.
01:41:47 --> 01:41:51 [UNKNOWN]: He's a man with a certain skill set, but he needs this.
01:41:51 --> 01:42:01 [UNKNOWN]: He needs to be able to, you know, feel things and use his analytical mind.
01:42:03 --> 01:42:06 [UNKNOWN]: to work those things together.
01:42:06 --> 01:42:09 [UNKNOWN]: What his emotional, his gut is telling him.
01:42:09 --> 01:42:09 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:42:10 --> 01:42:12 [UNKNOWN]: And I think this is what he's learning here.
01:42:12 --> 01:42:12 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:42:12 --> 01:42:14 [UNKNOWN]: How to fuse those things together.
01:42:15 --> 01:42:17 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm really enjoying watching that.
01:42:17 --> 01:42:19 [UNKNOWN]: How to feel his way through an investigation.
01:42:20 --> 01:42:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:21 --> 01:42:27 [UNKNOWN]: And still not, it's still have your own way of viewing shit and putting it together.
01:42:28 --> 01:42:32 [UNKNOWN]: like a you know like a puzzle right and I really appreciate that.
01:42:35 --> 01:42:41 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that he I didn't think he was the man that's right before.
01:42:42 --> 01:42:44 [UNKNOWN]: Who would be a really silly they walked in.
01:42:44 --> 01:42:45 [UNKNOWN]: I was like
01:42:47 --> 01:42:50 [UNKNOWN]: But this is the thing, you have, you know, you got to have the thought.
01:42:50 --> 01:42:52 [UNKNOWN]: Is this the man?
01:42:52 --> 01:42:59 [UNKNOWN]: But is it, or is it not, is it the man hunter not being the man hunter being the man hunter?
01:42:59 --> 01:42:59 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
01:42:59 --> 01:43:03 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I could be a resident of the man hunter.
01:43:03 --> 01:43:05 [UNKNOWN]: The thing is that would cheapen everything.
01:43:05 --> 01:43:12 [UNKNOWN]: If suddenly the man hunter was everywhere, every character, in all aspects, that would kind of cheapen it because then it's everything is everything, right?
01:43:12 --> 01:43:13 [UNKNOWN]: As opposed to,
01:43:14 --> 01:43:19 [UNKNOWN]: somebody who's in just a single key position manipulating the shit out of the entire situation.
01:43:19 --> 01:43:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's more interesting than having the shape shifter as every other possible character.
01:43:25 --> 01:43:32 [UNKNOWN]: And then I also love how much they show John, caring about his parents.
01:43:33 --> 01:43:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because there's a lot of talk about, you know, high.
01:43:37 --> 01:43:42 [UNKNOWN]: the abusive childhood that he had and how could he love them?
01:43:42 --> 01:43:43 [UNKNOWN]: But you see it here.
01:43:44 --> 01:43:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's complicated.
01:43:49 --> 01:43:55 [UNKNOWN]: Like most families are, not to this extent, but hopefully not.
01:43:57 --> 01:44:03 [UNKNOWN]: But there is genuine concern and love for his parents that John has.
01:44:04 --> 01:44:05 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought that was good to see.
01:44:07 --> 01:44:28 [UNKNOWN]: i've been thinking a lot to about this whole thing with parents and kids and what if you know if your kid expresses some desire and wanting to excel and achieve something and as opposed to say like just forcing the child into like you will study piano or whatever until your fingers bleed right but like say your kid is locked in on something and like
01:44:29 --> 01:44:38 [UNKNOWN]: what do you do, how far do you take it, how far, how do you push, how do you coach and push somebody who wants to, who's expressed that they want to achieve something extraordinary?
01:44:38 --> 01:44:42 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, again, it's not a, it's not a question to be solved here.
01:44:42 --> 01:44:43 [UNKNOWN]: It's just something I've been thinking about.
01:44:44 --> 01:44:51 [UNKNOWN]: Especially as my 10-year-old starts expressing desires about what they want for themselves in their future and I'm like, huh?
01:44:52 --> 01:45:02 [UNKNOWN]: Like, what is it to, you know, support or with those things and how do you, how do you push it?
01:45:02 --> 01:45:03 [UNKNOWN]: How do you push them forward?
01:45:04 --> 01:45:07 [UNKNOWN]: Because they're going to be times where they don't want to push forward, right?
01:45:09 --> 01:45:12 [UNKNOWN]: And in this case, it was just his parents had an extreme thing.
01:45:12 --> 01:45:16 [UNKNOWN]: He never did he ever say no, did he ever say he wanted to get off the train?
01:45:16 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:45:18 --> 01:45:20 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I did he really want this for himself.
01:45:20 --> 01:45:22 [UNKNOWN]: Does he really still want this for himself?
01:45:22 --> 01:45:22 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:45:24 --> 01:45:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just thinking, you know, just a thing to think about.
01:45:31 --> 01:45:32 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:45:33 --> 01:45:34 [UNKNOWN]: The car ride back.
01:45:34 --> 01:45:40 [UNKNOWN]: They talk John levels with Hal and Hal reveals some of what he learned from Sinestro.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:44 [UNKNOWN]: John calls the hit squad and then Hal crashes the car as we end
01:45:48 --> 01:45:58 [UNKNOWN]: before you start that, to the last scene, you marked out another thing that I thought was great.
01:46:00 --> 01:46:08 [UNKNOWN]: When the hero's journey starts after the parents' death, which is a pet peeve of mine.
01:46:10 --> 01:46:33 [UNKNOWN]: and I just love that that was called out again the writers are being writers but yet they're doing it in this every every one of these little winks and a nods is told within and delivered as the character right we do it that's great it's so good it's so good all right super complex scene
01:46:34 --> 01:46:40 [UNKNOWN]: We got Man Hunter stuff, we got John and Hal trying to be honest and dishonest with each other.
01:46:40 --> 01:46:49 [UNKNOWN]: And then we got this massive WTF moment at the end with a car crash, like walk us through your thoughts at this stage.
01:47:04 --> 01:47:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah right.
01:47:05 --> 01:47:14 [UNKNOWN]: Great way to pull back from like to mirror that like they prep just with that and then brought it full circle here incredible.
01:47:15 --> 01:47:18 [UNKNOWN]: And how jumps on both occasions.
01:47:20 --> 01:47:21 [UNKNOWN]: But these are different jumps.
01:47:23 --> 01:47:25 [UNKNOWN]: You know, these are different jumps.
01:47:26 --> 01:47:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I was still saying that both jumps are trying to teach.
01:47:29 --> 01:47:30 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:47:32 --> 01:47:34 [UNKNOWN]: How is fed up?
01:47:36 --> 01:47:39 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, this motherfucker's not getting this ring.
01:47:41 --> 01:47:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, well, anybody says, and there's nothing anyone can do that's going to make me change my mind.
01:47:53 --> 01:47:58 [UNKNOWN]: John, in that moment, I think is realized.
01:48:03 --> 01:48:04 [UNKNOWN]: I kind of fucked up.
01:48:04 --> 01:48:06 [UNKNOWN]: I kind of fucked this thing up here.
01:48:06 --> 01:48:07 [UNKNOWN]: How should I?
01:48:08 --> 01:48:08 [UNKNOWN]: Say more.
01:48:09 --> 01:48:20 [UNKNOWN]: Because I see the look on his face when he is like yo, I wanted to tell you, but I was just not sure.
01:48:21 --> 01:48:26 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, he's explaining himself where he's never explained himself before.
01:48:27 --> 01:48:28 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's a good point.
01:48:28 --> 01:48:32 [UNKNOWN]: And he's always been a bit forthright about stuff.
01:48:32 --> 01:48:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:48:33 --> 01:48:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like, he tells him about the alien hit squad, right?
01:48:38 --> 01:48:43 [UNKNOWN]: Not in a way of like, I was withholding, and now I'm telling you, but it was just sort of the, he, he, he, he, he, he.
01:48:46 --> 01:48:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, I don't know.
01:48:47 --> 01:48:48 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:48:48 --> 01:48:50 [UNKNOWN]: He tells, he tells how about the mantis.
01:48:51 --> 01:48:51 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:48:51 --> 01:48:53 [UNKNOWN]: Tell how about the, the hit squad.
01:48:53 --> 01:48:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:55 --> 01:48:58 [UNKNOWN]: And now he's explaining to how why I didn't tell you about this.
01:48:59 --> 01:49:00 [UNKNOWN]: About my suspicions about Zoe.
01:49:00 --> 01:49:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:49:01 --> 01:49:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:03 --> 01:49:07 [UNKNOWN]: Which is not something that I could have seen him do in episode one.
01:49:10 --> 01:49:12 [UNKNOWN]: There's not happening.
01:49:14 --> 01:49:19 [UNKNOWN]: I see how in this moment really like, yo, you know what?
01:49:20 --> 01:49:22 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, I forgave you for that shit.
01:49:22 --> 01:49:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:49:23 --> 01:49:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's that.
01:49:24 --> 01:49:25 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you're cool.
01:49:25 --> 01:49:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like, are you shit?
01:49:27 --> 01:49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:28 --> 01:49:29 [UNKNOWN]: They're all that shit to side.
01:49:29 --> 01:49:30 [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
01:49:30 --> 01:49:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
01:49:31 --> 01:49:33 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, you weren't, you weren't, you weren't wrong.
01:49:33 --> 01:49:33 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:49:35 --> 01:49:45 [UNKNOWN]: And then, at the same time, I'm thinking, it's this part of the next row, seeping into how, the whole ride.
01:49:45 --> 01:49:47 [UNKNOWN]: We cannot predict that.
01:49:47 --> 01:50:00 [UNKNOWN]: That whole ride, I'm thinking, he's following what's the next row is this arm in, making, get him to think, one thing, and you're going in the other direction.
01:50:00 --> 01:50:23 [UNKNOWN]: perfect book in for the episode right start with Sinestro dripping in his ear and now we're ending to this brilliant these are all lessons for John to learn rather whether they whether it's intended or not these are all lessons for John to learn right like
01:50:29 --> 01:50:31 [UNKNOWN]: He says that the scene before.
01:50:32 --> 01:50:32 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:50:33 --> 01:50:34 [UNKNOWN]: A hero's journey.
01:50:34 --> 01:50:36 [UNKNOWN]: This is a hero's journey.
01:50:37 --> 01:50:39 [UNKNOWN]: This is the origin of John Stewart.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:40 [UNKNOWN]: That's what the show is.
01:50:45 --> 01:50:49 [UNKNOWN]: That's what, you know, regardless of everything, this is what this show is.
01:50:49 --> 01:50:51 [UNKNOWN]: Is the origin of John Stewart.
01:50:53 --> 01:50:57 [UNKNOWN]: And where do we get to go on this ride with John Stewart after she's in one?
01:50:57 --> 01:50:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:51:00 --> 01:51:01 [UNKNOWN]: I think this is brilliant.
01:51:02 --> 01:51:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think that this scene with the two of them is just amazing for me to think of all these things.
01:51:10 --> 01:51:13 [UNKNOWN]: Are you rocking this show?
01:51:13 --> 01:51:17 [UNKNOWN]: This is like, this is gonna rank pretty high in the year and rankings.
01:51:17 --> 01:51:20 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, up to this point, absolutely.
01:51:20 --> 01:51:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:51:22 --> 01:51:22 [UNKNOWN]: It would have to be like,
01:51:24 --> 01:51:27 [UNKNOWN]: I don't I don't see anything else in the horizon.
01:51:27 --> 01:51:28 [UNKNOWN]: That's that this is it.
01:51:28 --> 01:51:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of Lanterns to lose at this point.
01:51:32 --> 01:51:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I don't know how to lose it.
01:51:35 --> 01:51:42 [UNKNOWN]: But there's some other good stuff like it's a tough year because we had widows widows Bay, silo, and silo.
01:51:42 --> 01:51:43 [UNKNOWN]: Wonder man.
01:51:43 --> 01:51:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but this is a pretty complex stuff that they've stuck together.
01:51:49 --> 01:51:49 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:51:49 --> 01:51:52 [UNKNOWN]: I got a couple of audio quotes for us here really quick.
01:51:52 --> 01:51:54 [UNKNOWN]: Let me play the first one.
01:51:57 --> 01:52:03 [UNKNOWN]: their ruthless junior, they assimilate in the communities by attaching the weak spots, it's what their program to do.
01:52:04 --> 01:52:06 [UNKNOWN]: So what you're saying is they have no other choice.
01:52:06 --> 01:52:13 [UNKNOWN]: They find a path to power every time if they identify a threat to that power, they'll manipulate that threat into believing anything they want them to.
01:52:16 --> 01:52:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I couldn't help but take away some social commentary on this aspect as well when we think of
01:52:27 --> 01:52:33 [UNKNOWN]: communities can be manipulated and controlled throughout history, not just an American history, but that too.
01:52:34 --> 01:52:41 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm not saying that they're saying this, but that was like it really made me think of the whole crack epidemic thing.
01:52:42 --> 01:52:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like the way that you can find this thing that that is this one thing that does this one thing to this community and then it just spreads, you know, just the way that
01:52:54 --> 01:53:04 [UNKNOWN]: secondary and tertiary effects as it spreads through like the the man hunters target this one thing and then it creates a much wider impact.
01:53:05 --> 01:53:06 [UNKNOWN]: Does that make sense?
01:53:06 --> 01:53:08 [UNKNOWN]: Is it am I pulling on a weird thread here?
01:53:08 --> 01:53:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I'm not I'm not seeing it because crack was intentional.
01:53:12 --> 01:53:15 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm that's what a man hunter do, right?
01:53:15 --> 01:53:15 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm saying.
01:53:15 --> 01:53:16 [UNKNOWN]: It's intentional.
01:53:22 --> 01:53:23 [UNKNOWN]: That's what been understood.
01:53:23 --> 01:53:29 [UNKNOWN]: What the harm, I don't know how widespread the harm was.
01:53:31 --> 01:53:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm saying the way that it, so you start with just one thing that then that ripples out, right, and affects a much wider thing.
01:53:41 --> 01:53:45 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm just trying to point to how do you destabilize a community?
01:53:45 --> 01:53:47 [UNKNOWN]: How do you destabilize a culture?
01:53:48 --> 01:53:52 [UNKNOWN]: You can't do it in a totalitarian, in a total way, like we've done that.
01:53:52 --> 01:53:59 [UNKNOWN]: We have bombed and invaded and done all the stuff, and it doesn't necessarily break the culture.
01:54:00 --> 01:54:07 [UNKNOWN]: I would, you know, and thinking about that, I would see it more akin to,
01:54:11 --> 01:54:12 [UNKNOWN]: these tech giants that we have.
01:54:13 --> 01:54:13 [UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
01:54:13 --> 01:54:14 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:54:14 --> 01:54:16 [UNKNOWN]: More so than than crack.
01:54:16 --> 01:54:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:54:17 --> 01:54:24 [UNKNOWN]: Because I'm just trying to think of something that there's a social, like, just trying to think through the problem set.
01:54:24 --> 01:54:31 [UNKNOWN]: I think for me, it's the tech, you know, which is right there in front of us right now.
01:54:31 --> 01:54:31 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:54:31 --> 01:54:33 [UNKNOWN]: My phone is sitting right at staring at me.
01:54:33 --> 01:54:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, my little stand in front of me.
01:54:34 --> 01:54:37 [UNKNOWN]: And just how the way you know,
01:54:39 --> 01:54:46 [UNKNOWN]: they've ingratiated themselves with people and positions of power to get the things.
01:54:47 --> 01:54:48 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you want to change the name of this lake?
01:54:48 --> 01:54:49 [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
01:54:49 --> 01:54:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll just change in our map.
01:54:51 --> 01:54:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's cool.
01:54:52 --> 01:54:52 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:54:52 --> 01:54:52 [UNKNOWN]: Done.
01:54:52 --> 01:54:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:54:53 --> 01:54:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:54:54 --> 01:54:55 [UNKNOWN]: You just want to change something else.
01:54:55 --> 01:54:55 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool.
01:54:55 --> 01:54:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:54:55 --> 01:54:56 [UNKNOWN]: We'll do that too.
01:54:57 --> 01:54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:54:59 --> 01:54:59 [UNKNOWN]: The song.
01:55:00 --> 01:55:01 [UNKNOWN]: Like that sheet is wild.
01:55:01 --> 01:55:02 [UNKNOWN]: Like that.
01:55:03 --> 01:55:08 [UNKNOWN]: That's wild that that somebody could just call up and just say hey, we're what this is what it is.
01:55:08 --> 01:55:10 [UNKNOWN]: Like that's That's another three hours.
01:55:11 --> 01:55:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a different podcast another three hours, but that's power.
01:55:15 --> 01:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's power Right good for me.
01:55:21 --> 01:55:29 [UNKNOWN]: We're just watching a Documentary about the Teddy about the Roosevelt's the again burns one about the Roosevelt Teddy Roosevelt had that kind of power He would just say stuff.
01:55:29 --> 01:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: We're doing this
01:55:32 --> 01:55:38 [UNKNOWN]: He was a radical progressive, but he still was just like, I'm a dude and I say this, and this is how it's going to go.
01:55:39 --> 01:55:44 [UNKNOWN]: And whole industries, whole world's just bent to his will.
01:55:46 --> 01:55:48 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, sorry, we're, we're, we're, we're off of the tension.
01:55:49 --> 01:55:52 [UNKNOWN]: But no, no, but in the way that that hall is is.
01:55:53 --> 01:56:20 [UNKNOWN]: describing it here is more of the man hunter sidearing up to a Teddy Roosevelt and whispering in the ear right of a Teddy Roosevelt right to get the man hunters desired outcome right and I think what how isn't seeing is that he has his own man
01:56:24 --> 01:56:26 [UNKNOWN]: person whispering in his ear.
01:56:26 --> 01:56:30 [UNKNOWN]: In his ear, to get a desired outcome.
01:56:30 --> 01:56:30 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
01:56:31 --> 01:56:35 [UNKNOWN]: Like we started saying, we started off saying that both be manipulated.
01:56:36 --> 01:56:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yep, both being manipulated actively.
01:56:39 --> 01:56:42 [UNKNOWN]: So he's manipulating, he's always manipulating.
01:56:43 --> 01:56:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yep, John Jr. And I think that was one of my early theories is,
01:56:49 --> 01:57:13 [UNKNOWN]: what if the man hunter and I think this it seems to be the case is the man hunter is created a bubble around themselves as well and is manipulating all these people okay yeah we're xenophobic we're protecting against the future alien invasion and what have you that's all the manipulation all of it right to hold town is manipulated yeah but first you have to get to
01:57:16 --> 01:57:36 [UNKNOWN]: and is what is and then it spreads out right then it goes out word right but first we have to get to the power center the rich eccentric white man who can feel the castles all right uh last audio quote
01:57:37 --> 01:57:39 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know I just had a feeling.
01:57:40 --> 01:57:41 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, feel at your gut, Junior?
01:57:41 --> 01:57:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:57:42 --> 01:57:45 [UNKNOWN]: With Bravo, congratulations, truly.
01:57:46 --> 01:57:47 [UNKNOWN]: The students surpasses the team.
01:57:47 --> 01:57:49 [UNKNOWN]: I wasn't trying to keep anything from you.
01:57:50 --> 01:57:52 [UNKNOWN]: I just didn't know for certain, so I didn't want to say anything.
01:57:52 --> 01:57:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you haven't told the guard.
01:57:54 --> 01:57:57 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't told the guard anything we've been doing, because you asked me not to.
01:57:58 --> 01:57:59 [UNKNOWN]: Except that I'm old and tired.
01:58:00 --> 01:58:01 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm sorry about...
01:58:02 --> 01:58:04 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry about the rental.
01:58:15 --> 01:58:42 [UNKNOWN]: So, Ricky were saying before like, yeah, I forgive you what you said, but then you lied to me in so after like And he's trying to explain no no because I didn't really know what I was really sure or whatever But then like he's he's feeling like the ground underneath him like oh, no, I did kind of screw this up I'm not thinking really is he's sorry for it since here.
01:58:42 --> 01:58:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he's been really sincere in that moment
01:58:45 --> 01:58:45 [UNKNOWN]: yeah.
01:58:47 --> 01:59:03 [UNKNOWN]: Now after the crash, after the after you crash the car into a pole, I don't know where that's in cities, but I in that moment I think he he did feel like
01:59:05 --> 01:59:08 [UNKNOWN]: I should have told you what I was thinking.
01:59:08 --> 01:59:10 [UNKNOWN]: I should have told you what I was feeling.
01:59:11 --> 01:59:16 [UNKNOWN]: My inclination, my gut was telling me, and maybe we're gonna talk to you about it.
01:59:16 --> 01:59:19 [UNKNOWN]: Like I think he feels that John Jr. in this moment.
01:59:20 --> 01:59:24 [UNKNOWN]: And he is also sorry for the way that he spoke about him.
01:59:25 --> 01:59:27 [UNKNOWN]: Because he was goded into that.
01:59:27 --> 01:59:37 [UNKNOWN]: And then he reacted in the way that his family is trained him as opposed to the man that he's kind of begrudgingly coming to respect, who's actually a pretty good operator.
01:59:37 --> 01:59:39 [UNKNOWN]: If he wasn't such a jerk about it.
01:59:39 --> 01:59:42 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, I don't want the ring that way.
01:59:42 --> 01:59:43 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:59:43 --> 01:59:45 [UNKNOWN]: I was going to keep it back to you.
01:59:45 --> 01:59:50 [UNKNOWN]: They want me, you told his mom, they want me to take it from him.
01:59:51 --> 01:59:53 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I don't want to do it that way.
01:59:54 --> 01:59:55 [UNKNOWN]: They don't want to give it to me.
01:59:55 --> 01:59:57 [UNKNOWN]: They want me to take it from him.
01:59:57 --> 01:59:59 [UNKNOWN]: And he's like, that man called me a hoaxable.
01:59:59 --> 02:00:00 [UNKNOWN]: Are you taking that ring?
02:00:04 --> 02:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: I don't care.
02:00:04 --> 02:00:05 [UNKNOWN]: You take it.
02:00:06 --> 02:00:08 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's not how he wants to get it.
02:00:10 --> 02:00:11 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't want it that way.
02:00:11 --> 02:00:11 [UNKNOWN]: No.
02:00:12 --> 02:00:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that would be kind of a moral injury on his ability to be an effective lantern going forward.
02:00:19 --> 02:00:21 [UNKNOWN]: I think that would haunt him forever.
02:00:21 --> 02:00:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:00:21 --> 02:00:21 [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
02:00:22 --> 02:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
02:00:23 --> 02:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: And that would bring in that sense of fear and his ability.
02:00:26 --> 02:00:29 [UNKNOWN]: He'd be uncertain in the face of danger.
02:00:30 --> 02:00:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then we bring it back to episode one way we find how
02:00:42 --> 02:00:43 [UNKNOWN]: and no ring is there.
02:00:46 --> 02:00:49 [UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, he's on.
02:00:50 --> 02:00:51 [UNKNOWN]: So did he ever replace him?
02:00:51 --> 02:00:51 [UNKNOWN]: Did he ever, right?
02:00:52 --> 02:00:52 [UNKNOWN]: Is that me?
02:00:52 --> 02:00:57 [UNKNOWN]: Because there's only one ring per sector, or a ring?
02:00:58 --> 02:01:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we know there's two lanterns operating in the sector.
02:01:02 --> 02:01:03 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
02:01:03 --> 02:01:04 [UNKNOWN]: At house, deaf.
02:01:04 --> 02:01:05 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:01:05 --> 02:01:06 [UNKNOWN]: We know there are two.
02:01:07 --> 02:01:09 [UNKNOWN]: But house, ring is not the,
02:01:13 --> 02:01:16 [UNKNOWN]: upon his demise, like, looking back.
02:01:19 --> 02:01:22 [UNKNOWN]: He's expecting to be the next green matter.
02:01:23 --> 02:01:28 [UNKNOWN]: And he's not so magical that he can operate completely without a ring.
02:01:28 --> 02:01:29 [UNKNOWN]: He still needs the ring.
02:01:29 --> 02:01:33 [UNKNOWN]: He's not that there is no, oh, he's transcended.
02:01:33 --> 02:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: He's the quiz that's hot Iraq, right?
02:01:35 --> 02:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: He's not.
02:01:36 --> 02:01:42 [UNKNOWN]: He's not politics at the end of the 84-Linched-Dune movie where his magic power is him and he is the magic power.
02:01:43 --> 02:01:43 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
02:01:46 --> 02:02:03 [UNKNOWN]: at least not that we know that would just break that would just be again everything is everything and it would just break the rules of the world and then we'd be like uh then what are we really doing here because all he had to do was look within and find the you know and just be the zen of it it's like no that's not what the show is.
02:02:04 --> 02:02:06 [UNKNOWN]: Please don't go that way if this does show.
02:02:09 --> 02:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: uh... i want to read a couple of the lyrics that uh... of the couple of the stanzas of the of the song because it matches so i think i guess this is the poetry right this is like julia sees uh... poetry this to me was poetry for what we're seeing on screen in so many different ways it kind of spoke to me so i grabbed the lyrics the voice inside the suit came crawling down the telephone somewhere between
02:02:38 --> 02:02:47 [UNKNOWN]: I heard the rattlesnake shaking in his invitation and the whites of his knuckles on the end, they're on the other end of the line.
02:02:47 --> 02:02:50 [UNKNOWN]: And then it's the chorus, might as might as to whatever touchbulb of the.
02:02:51 --> 02:02:56 [UNKNOWN]: And then next first stepped inside his office and the whole place seemed to shiver.
02:02:57 --> 02:02:58 [UNKNOWN]: He said, come here.
02:02:59 --> 02:03:02 [UNKNOWN]: A little closer boy, come on, don't be shy.
02:03:02 --> 02:03:11 [UNKNOWN]: I searched to find the fracture in his tombstone facelift and he fixed me with the coldness of the kingdom in his eyes.
02:03:12 --> 02:03:15 [UNKNOWN]: He said, come on, kid, you think we got a deal, yeah?
02:03:16 --> 02:03:19 [UNKNOWN]: Through his head back like a pelican and straightened his tie.
02:03:20 --> 02:03:23 [UNKNOWN]: Each time they're asking, you're making me kind of nervous.
02:03:23 --> 02:03:27 [UNKNOWN]: And with a click of his silver fingers, I was falling through the sky.
02:03:29 --> 02:03:45 [UNKNOWN]: I can't like find the one to one here, but there's just so many things that rhyme, just like John is in this world, and who actually has power, and you're being called by power, and you get close to it, and it's like, oh, you think it's this thing?
02:03:46 --> 02:03:51 [UNKNOWN]: You're not looking over here when the reality is this over here, and click now you're following through the sky.
02:03:51 --> 02:03:56 [UNKNOWN]: Like there's just this, it just has a nice poetry and symmetry to it that I think.
02:03:56 --> 02:03:57 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
02:03:57 --> 02:03:57 [UNKNOWN]: thing.
02:03:57 --> 02:03:59 [UNKNOWN]: And it's just a kick-ass song, too.
02:03:59 --> 02:04:01 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh yeah, this is going on the playlist.
02:04:01 --> 02:04:03 [UNKNOWN]: So there's a great needle drop.
02:04:06 --> 02:04:06 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:04:06 --> 02:04:13 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the episode we've got a couple of pieces of feedback and then we've got counters, a comic corner.
02:04:13 --> 02:04:14 [UNKNOWN]: So let's do this.
02:04:14 --> 02:04:17 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take a very, very quick break and then we come back.
02:04:17 --> 02:04:20 [UNKNOWN]: We'll finish up with this feedback.
02:04:31 --> 02:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: And we're back.
02:04:32 --> 02:04:36 [UNKNOWN]: All right, some lore and, well, this is the speculation stuff.
02:04:36 --> 02:04:38 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to read Steven Sees?
02:04:38 --> 02:04:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's go to Steve C. Hey guys, great coverage as always.
02:04:43 --> 02:04:46 [UNKNOWN]: With it being stated that there is some kind of genetic transfer.
02:04:46 --> 02:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: So, of lantern, worthy candidates.
02:04:48 --> 02:04:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm suddenly thinking about the beginning of episode one in Zoe inviting John for a little boom boom.
02:04:55 --> 02:04:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'll side the bar after just meeting.
02:04:59 --> 02:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: The showrunners letting us see how surprised I what just seemed like a setup for a later scene wouldn't well-making.
02:05:06 --> 02:05:09 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not wondering more about this genetics angle.
02:05:09 --> 02:05:15 [UNKNOWN]: Was Zoe just capturing some of those genetics for her own purposes?
02:05:16 --> 02:05:16 [UNKNOWN]: Steve, see.
02:05:17 --> 02:05:17 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think?
02:05:19 --> 02:05:24 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, um, this is not an angle that I thought about at all, and I don't know
02:05:25 --> 02:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: if we should be thinking in this line because they have brought up the genetics thing a couple of times.
02:05:31 --> 02:05:36 [UNKNOWN]: But I had not, I had not considered this angle at all.
02:05:38 --> 02:05:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not sure if I should or not.
02:05:39 --> 02:05:40 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:05:40 --> 02:05:41 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what do you think.
02:05:41 --> 02:05:42 [UNKNOWN]: What are you where your thoughts on this?
02:05:43 --> 02:05:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't.
02:05:45 --> 02:05:49 [UNKNOWN]: Is it what do you mean to get the show made a turn into this direction?
02:05:49 --> 02:05:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think so.
02:05:50 --> 02:05:51 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:05:52 --> 02:05:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think so.
02:05:53 --> 02:05:54 [UNKNOWN]: It would feel off.
02:05:55 --> 02:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: if that's the case.
02:05:57 --> 02:06:02 [UNKNOWN]: This would be the first lantern chosen as because of their genetics, uh-huh.
02:06:03 --> 02:06:08 [UNKNOWN]: Which, and if that was the case, is Leana really a guardian, right?
02:06:09 --> 02:06:11 [UNKNOWN]: If she's operating in this capacity, right?
02:06:11 --> 02:06:13 [UNKNOWN]: If they're operating in this capacity,
02:06:16 --> 02:06:21 [UNKNOWN]: There's something going on there, though, and it's whether they make anything of it or not.
02:06:21 --> 02:06:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know.
02:06:23 --> 02:06:25 [UNKNOWN]: Steve, I think you should hold on to this one.
02:06:26 --> 02:06:33 [UNKNOWN]: And in the world of, there's no bad ideas in a brainstorm, like keep tracking this one.
02:06:34 --> 02:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I don't know.
02:06:35 --> 02:06:38 [UNKNOWN]: I would feel weird if they turned in this direction.
02:06:41 --> 02:06:44 [UNKNOWN]: If there was some sort of genetic harvesting going on, that would be strange.
02:06:47 --> 02:06:48 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, do you want to read David S. E. mail?
02:06:50 --> 02:06:51 [UNKNOWN]: Um, okay.
02:06:51 --> 02:06:51 [UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
02:06:53 --> 02:06:56 [UNKNOWN]: And do we have reason to trust that Lyanna is actually who she says she is?
02:06:57 --> 02:07:06 [UNKNOWN]: She's the only one we've seen, shapeshift, and she makes her first appearance relatively shortly after Abinsur's crash, John is still a baby.
02:07:07 --> 02:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: She seems bent on causing division in the core, especially between Hal and John, and her appearance and John's room got me thinking, sure, Zoe admits to be in the manhood.
02:07:18 --> 02:07:23 [UNKNOWN]: could, but could that just be Leanna and another disc and another guy's.
02:07:24 --> 02:07:27 [UNKNOWN]: Love the show and who he's look forward to your coverage.
02:07:28 --> 02:07:33 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yes, yes, yes, all those yeses for me.
02:07:34 --> 02:07:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm buying exactly what David S is putting down in this email.
02:07:41 --> 02:07:42 [UNKNOWN]: I think
02:07:42 --> 02:07:46 [UNKNOWN]: I think Alisha was putting this down very early on as well.
02:07:46 --> 02:07:47 [UNKNOWN]: She did, she did.
02:07:47 --> 02:07:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:07:48 --> 02:07:51 [UNKNOWN]: So I am not convinced at all.
02:07:52 --> 02:07:53 [UNKNOWN]: That's all we is the man hunter.
02:07:54 --> 02:08:06 [UNKNOWN]: I am not convinced that the Hanna is the man hunter, but I am also really leaving away from the fact that the Hanna is a guardian.
02:08:13 --> 02:08:21 [UNKNOWN]: definitely, but she could very well be playing everybody by playing all these, right?
02:08:21 --> 02:08:22 [UNKNOWN]: Perfect, perfect.
02:08:22 --> 02:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: Perfect man hunter kind of thing to do, right?
02:08:25 --> 02:08:27 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man, just show up.
02:08:29 --> 02:08:35 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so the ring did a bunch of stuff.
02:08:37 --> 02:08:41 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm now tracking down the people who the big sheet.
02:08:41 --> 02:08:53 [UNKNOWN]: Leat, she straight up says, oh, we've got reports that like that everyone who is contacted by the ring is having some problems, you know, after the fact that little people else was contacted by the ring.
02:08:54 --> 02:08:59 [UNKNOWN]: And how did the guardians know what the ring was doing?
02:09:00 --> 02:09:02 [UNKNOWN]: Who else was contacted by the ring?
02:09:03 --> 02:09:03 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I
02:09:05 --> 02:09:08 [UNKNOWN]: and how did Leona know to come knocking?
02:09:09 --> 02:09:18 [UNKNOWN]: And that would be a great thing for the manhunter to do after you've just gotten free and show up with a big old diamond.
02:09:21 --> 02:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: So I think David S has got a good point here, which is like there's a line, there are certain things that are lined up that, this is very suspect.
02:09:31 --> 02:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: So.
02:09:33 --> 02:09:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not locking in on any one theory, but David S. I definitely like you and a number of other people, Alicia.
02:09:42 --> 02:09:45 [UNKNOWN]: Like, there's something funny going on with her.
02:09:45 --> 02:09:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah.
02:09:46 --> 02:09:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:09:47 --> 02:09:47 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:09:49 --> 02:09:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:09:49 --> 02:09:50 [UNKNOWN]: So let's do this.
02:09:51 --> 02:09:53 [UNKNOWN]: Let's get into comics corner with Connor.
02:09:54 --> 02:09:59 [UNKNOWN]: We'll say if you want to bounce at this point, that is cool.
02:10:01 --> 02:10:02 [UNKNOWN]: Totally get it.
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02:10:30 --> 02:10:34 [UNKNOWN]: You've guys got some more comic versus some other vision questions coming, right?
02:10:35 --> 02:10:36 [UNKNOWN]: Man, like three weeks.
02:10:37 --> 02:10:37 [UNKNOWN]: Crazy.
02:10:37 --> 02:10:43 [UNKNOWN]: That is going to be the third and final little part of that trilogy of us.
02:10:43 --> 02:10:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, one division.
02:10:44 --> 02:10:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:10:45 --> 02:10:47 [UNKNOWN]: Agatha and now vision quest.
02:10:48 --> 02:11:03 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to, I really hope for the best for a vision quest because if they pull that off, that little trio of shows is extraordinary, especially for Marvel and all the other things that Marvel has had to kind of, you know, that they've kind of done to themselves in a lot of different ways.
02:11:04 --> 02:11:08 [UNKNOWN]: Those would be really extraordinary if they can pull those three off together.
02:11:08 --> 02:11:11 [UNKNOWN]: Because one, yeah, because what was the second one?
02:11:11 --> 02:11:12 [UNKNOWN]: I get that one.
02:11:12 --> 02:11:13 [UNKNOWN]: I got that on and on.
02:11:13 --> 02:11:14 [UNKNOWN]: That was just a crate.
02:11:14 --> 02:11:16 [UNKNOWN]: That was such a... That was a fun ride.
02:11:16 --> 02:11:17 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man.
02:11:17 --> 02:11:19 [UNKNOWN]: So that was a super fun ride.
02:11:19 --> 02:11:19 [UNKNOWN]: Super fun.
02:11:20 --> 02:11:22 [UNKNOWN]: So check out all the things.
02:11:23 --> 02:11:25 [UNKNOWN]: We will do our usual shoutouts to all the...
02:11:27 --> 02:11:36 [UNKNOWN]: subscribers and supporters of the community at the end of this, but now we're going to step over to comics corner with Conor.
02:11:37 --> 02:11:39 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and I'll say before you go, if you're still here.
02:11:39 --> 02:11:41 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about constructs.
02:11:41 --> 02:11:43 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about fear.
02:11:44 --> 02:11:49 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about the Guardian and Leanna, and a little bit sort of backstory in the comic book lore about that.
02:11:50 --> 02:12:03 [UNKNOWN]: And then we're going to get into John's background and Connor pulled up some interviews with Neil Adams and with Bruce Tim about how they actually conceived of the character
02:12:06 --> 02:12:24 [UNKNOWN]: John Stewart I could tell it's getting late at the end of the evening here and I'm like I'm reaching my brain is reaching for words but it is some stuff that is worth it is some super interesting insights and Connor has a bunch to say okay so John if you are available would you mind
02:12:26 --> 02:12:27 [UNKNOWN]: reading, starting itself.
02:12:27 --> 02:12:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, construct.
02:12:28 --> 02:12:29 [UNKNOWN]: Let's go with the constructs.
02:12:30 --> 02:12:33 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know where to, where better to start.
02:12:34 --> 02:12:37 [UNKNOWN]: Then starting with my favorite scene from the episode, John, making a watch.
02:12:37 --> 02:12:41 [UNKNOWN]: To anyone who would dare criticize that the show runners know not the lore.
02:12:42 --> 02:12:43 [UNKNOWN]: Look no further than this scene.
02:12:44 --> 02:12:47 [UNKNOWN]: John bills the construction from the inside out.
02:12:47 --> 02:12:48 [UNKNOWN]: This is straight from the comics.
02:12:49 --> 02:12:55 [UNKNOWN]: Originally, each of that at the time, three green lanterns from Earth just made constructs from the ring.
02:12:56 --> 02:12:57 [UNKNOWN]: Not much thought to it.
02:12:57 --> 02:13:09 [UNKNOWN]: When green lanterns were number four, Carina came along, the art team kicked it into overdrive, gave Cal significantly different and new constructs to match his artistic personality and background.
02:13:09 --> 02:13:18 [UNKNOWN]: cool-than-unit card-designed motorcycles, mix-suits, fully decked out trains, and one of my personal favorites, a giant pinball machine.
02:13:18 --> 02:13:29 [UNKNOWN]: When Jeff John, Jeff John is a writer, took over in the early 2000s and immediately added some context to each of the, at the time, four earth green lanterns.
02:13:30 --> 02:13:34 [UNKNOWN]: He specified how each one was truly different and what they did with the ring.
02:13:34 --> 02:13:44 [UNKNOWN]: Guy Gardner was like a leafy faucet, constantly spewing out willpower, unable to contain it, his constructs reflected that messy and perfect but powerful.
02:13:45 --> 02:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: Carainer was unique, artistic.
02:13:47 --> 02:13:56 [UNKNOWN]: He used his to create constructs from the outside, designing how he wants things to look based on his interests, think giant anime tech, mech suits.
02:13:57 --> 02:13:59 [UNKNOWN]: How was simple straightforward?
02:13:59 --> 02:14:06 [UNKNOWN]: He just needs a bubble, or a jet, a best jet, a boxing glove, nothing fancy, nothing intense, or intricate.
02:14:06 --> 02:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: Just green like doing the work.
02:14:08 --> 02:14:10 [UNKNOWN]: John Hover is the most fascinating.
02:14:11 --> 02:14:13 [UNKNOWN]: John creates his constant structure from the inside out.
02:14:14 --> 02:14:20 [UNKNOWN]: When my favorite line is that, when he creates something like a gun, the actual mechanisms of firing inside.
02:14:21 --> 02:14:24 [UNKNOWN]: This makes the constructs far stronger and more difficult to break.
02:14:25 --> 02:14:28 [UNKNOWN]: I adored how this scene showed John doing exactly that.
02:14:29 --> 02:14:33 [UNKNOWN]: He assembled the watch from the inside out with all the gears turning and making a tick.
02:14:34 --> 02:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: You did ask about the art part of the scene on his catchbook.
02:14:38 --> 02:14:42 [UNKNOWN]: My better half is a professional artist and a graduate of art institute of Chicago.
02:14:43 --> 02:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: She was impressed with Iron P.S.
02:14:44 --> 02:14:48 [UNKNOWN]: acting in that scene, portraying, making art.
02:14:50 --> 02:14:50 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
02:14:51 --> 02:14:54 [UNKNOWN]: I think we did ask about that was he holding the pencil sort of in the right way.
02:14:54 --> 02:14:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:14:56 --> 02:15:03 [UNKNOWN]: Any insights into the various iterations of the human green lanterns?
02:15:03 --> 02:15:14 [UNKNOWN]: No, this is actually what I was talking about, how they're showing he differs from how and guy who they've already shown on screen using the ring.
02:15:15 --> 02:15:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's a great way to characterize, you know, three of the green lanterns that we
02:15:26 --> 02:15:51 [UNKNOWN]: And then like we were talking before how the ring is a view into the character like you can and interestingly you can they're kind of flipping it around they're like okay well what would this character if we have this character what do they let you know there's a way that they're playing like oh let's start with a guy who's more russian brash let's start with a jet fighter and then like work around like how would the ring work with them and you could work it
02:15:56 --> 02:15:56 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:15:56 --> 02:15:59 [UNKNOWN]: You want to read it into the Fierre's Contagious section?
02:15:59 --> 02:16:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:16:00 --> 02:16:00 [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
02:16:01 --> 02:16:03 [UNKNOWN]: While in the comics, this is in a main focal point.
02:16:04 --> 02:16:05 [UNKNOWN]: It can be real in real life.
02:16:05 --> 02:16:06 [UNKNOWN]: It can be in real life.
02:16:07 --> 02:16:11 [UNKNOWN]: Remember to age old atage of they can smell the fair on you when it comes to predators.
02:16:12 --> 02:16:16 [UNKNOWN]: I think we all as entities can sense when another person is afraid or unsure.
02:16:17 --> 02:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: The job of a green lantern is to work past that and complete the mission.
02:16:24 --> 02:16:34 [UNKNOWN]: is meant to be, I think that Bernie, saying that to John Cena, is meant to be a reminder to him that if he shows fear, John Jr., will have an excuse to be afraid in life.
02:16:35 --> 02:16:44 [UNKNOWN]: Going back to my comments on John possibly, suppressing his emotions, they could be another part of him finally releasing them in a future episode.
02:16:44 --> 02:16:47 [UNKNOWN]: Knowing that his parents were always scared, but toughed it out for him.
02:16:48 --> 02:16:52 [UNKNOWN]: That could be a large part of the reason why he decides to really commit to being a green lantern.
02:16:56 --> 02:16:57 [UNKNOWN]: All right, thoughts on this?
02:16:59 --> 02:17:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I, you know, I said something in our discord yesterday or today.
02:17:05 --> 02:17:06 [UNKNOWN]: I think was maybe yesterday.
02:17:06 --> 02:17:07 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe with Sunday, who knows?
02:17:07 --> 02:17:10 [UNKNOWN]: The days are flashing by.
02:17:10 --> 02:17:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I didn't do that.
02:17:12 --> 02:17:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I said, you know, what happens when John is no longer able to keep his emotions in check?
02:17:23 --> 02:17:27 [UNKNOWN]: What does he, how is that going to be expressed?
02:17:28 --> 02:17:34 [UNKNOWN]: In fact, Connor had said some stuff that I didn't pull out of his emails about that very subject as well.
02:17:35 --> 02:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: OK. OK. Like seeing some, oh, yeah, what if this breaks or cracks in John?
02:17:42 --> 02:17:43 [UNKNOWN]: Like what is that?
02:17:44 --> 02:17:44 [UNKNOWN]: What does that look like?
02:17:45 --> 02:17:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:17:53 --> 02:18:00 [UNKNOWN]: and why we're causing them to lose control because we've seen hints of it in this episode.
02:18:00 --> 02:18:01 [UNKNOWN]: That was more.
02:18:01 --> 02:18:01 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:18:02 --> 02:18:09 [UNKNOWN]: We saw hints of it twice in the digging tunnel and in the digging tunnel and in the digging.
02:18:09 --> 02:18:10 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say three times.
02:18:10 --> 02:18:11 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's the third one.
02:18:12 --> 02:18:14 [UNKNOWN]: The digging tunnel with Hector Hammond.
02:18:15 --> 02:18:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with this parents.
02:18:16 --> 02:18:17 [UNKNOWN]: They're in this parents.
02:18:17 --> 02:18:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:18:18 --> 02:18:18 [UNKNOWN]: And in the car.
02:18:20 --> 02:18:21 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, right.
02:18:21 --> 02:18:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in the final conversation.
02:18:23 --> 02:18:24 [UNKNOWN]: We've seen three cracks.
02:18:25 --> 02:18:25 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
02:18:26 --> 02:18:28 [UNKNOWN]: His emotions are seeping out.
02:18:29 --> 02:18:29 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:18:29 --> 02:18:30 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:18:30 --> 02:18:42 [UNKNOWN]: So what happens when they're the wall breaks when he gets more disoriented and more pressed and more stressed out and more more of what's what's important to him is on the line.
02:18:42 --> 02:18:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:18:43 --> 02:18:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:18:43 --> 02:18:43 [UNKNOWN]: Very good.
02:18:45 --> 02:18:54 [UNKNOWN]: All right, um, I will read this next one about the Guardian because that we've got a bunch of stuff about the John's background that I want to turn over to you.
02:18:56 --> 02:19:00 [UNKNOWN]: Connor writes the honest the name of a multi-zion.
02:19:01 --> 02:19:06 [UNKNOWN]: introduced during the Kyle Rainer Green Lantern era as a new member of their species.
02:19:07 --> 02:19:10 [UNKNOWN]: Maltusians are the species of the guardians.
02:19:10 --> 02:19:15 [UNKNOWN]: They are, as far as we know, the first advance in sentient species in universal history.
02:19:16 --> 02:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: She started out as a misguided villain-like figure and then was taught by the goat.
02:19:22 --> 02:19:24 [UNKNOWN]: Ganthet?
02:19:24 --> 02:19:25 [UNKNOWN]: Best Guardian.
02:19:26 --> 02:19:28 [UNKNOWN]: On how to use power her powers properly.
02:19:28 --> 02:19:36 [UNKNOWN]: However, she has since transitioned out of that role and into a more anti-hero type of role with very limited appearance since.
02:19:37 --> 02:19:39 [UNKNOWN]: do I think they're going to do anything like that with her?
02:19:40 --> 02:19:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think they just use the name.
02:19:42 --> 02:19:48 [UNKNOWN]: Other options could have been said or scar.
02:19:48 --> 02:19:55 [UNKNOWN]: In fact, that might be the in fact, that might use her in a similar role as either one of those characters.
02:20:00 --> 02:20:04 [UNKNOWN]: For being in love with him informs the blue lanterns with Genset.
02:20:05 --> 02:20:12 [UNKNOWN]: Scar, on the other hand, is a guardian who works alongside Necron, Black Hand, to bring about the darkest night.
02:20:13 --> 02:20:22 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I could see a world where Leona is the one to leave and do something new and unique with the lanterns based on how involved you was.
02:20:23 --> 02:20:25 [UNKNOWN]: Leona's appearance in the episode was okay with me.
02:20:25 --> 02:20:36 [UNKNOWN]: Firstly, multusions were originally larger and taller than the size of human, however the Guardian specifically have most commonly been depicted as short, dwarf-like sized, and proportioned.
02:20:37 --> 02:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: Some comics have made the Guardians physically large, but still proportioned like a short person, i.e.
02:20:42 --> 02:20:44 [UNKNOWN]: Peter Dinklage, and Infinity War.
02:20:45 --> 02:20:54 [UNKNOWN]: The Zamarons, Femal Marlosians, who created the Violet Lantern star sapphires, are still larger than humans with more elegant figures.
02:20:55 --> 02:21:03 [UNKNOWN]: Liana in the comic is a larger figure having been made into an adult form, which is partially subject to her plotline.
02:21:03 --> 02:21:05 [UNKNOWN]: Now I have to commend the actress Laura.
02:21:06 --> 02:21:08 [UNKNOWN]: I adored how she played out of touch.
02:21:08 --> 02:21:10 [UNKNOWN]: They are masterfully done.
02:21:11 --> 02:21:13 [UNKNOWN]: Regarding some thoughts on the story of her, I did find it odd.
02:21:14 --> 02:21:21 [UNKNOWN]: She was there in the comics, Guardians rarely concern themselves with rejects of the rings in that way,
02:21:23 --> 02:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh, right, there's something sus there.
02:21:25 --> 02:21:28 [UNKNOWN]: Why go out of their way to give a diamond to Bernie?
02:21:28 --> 02:21:30 [UNKNOWN]: Why continue the conversation?
02:21:30 --> 02:21:31 [UNKNOWN]: Why do any of this?
02:21:31 --> 02:21:44 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if the diamond and changing how we do things were just pretends to get the conversation going and to try and find a how replacement ASAP way back when John was still a baby.
02:21:44 --> 02:21:46 [UNKNOWN]: Or perhaps there was something more to John?
02:21:47 --> 02:21:48 [UNKNOWN]: She did take an interest.
02:21:50 --> 02:21:53 [UNKNOWN]: And then he writes in quickly after that more about Lyanna.
02:21:53 --> 02:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to reach back out because I learned some new info.
02:21:56 --> 02:22:05 [UNKNOWN]: The writer, the episode Vanessa Badenkelli clarified in an interview with the new rock stars that the naming decision for Lyanna, the Guardian.
02:22:05 --> 02:22:14 [UNKNOWN]: Namely, they talked through all the Guardian names they could have possibly used and decided to go with Lyanna because it is so untapped for story expectation.
02:22:20 --> 02:22:24 [UNKNOWN]: that they changed the way the character is used and just wanted to add the clarity.
02:22:26 --> 02:22:28 [UNKNOWN]: So it was like bang bang.
02:22:28 --> 02:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: They came in the sort of right after each other.
02:22:31 --> 02:22:32 [UNKNOWN]: But it's interesting.
02:22:32 --> 02:22:37 [UNKNOWN]: So there's a whole seems like there's a whole bunch more lore out there for guardians.
02:22:37 --> 02:22:40 [UNKNOWN]: And they worked through a bunch of stuff in the comics, I guess.
02:22:42 --> 02:22:43 [UNKNOWN]: question.
02:22:43 --> 02:22:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:22:44 --> 02:22:45 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:22:45 --> 02:22:45 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:22:46 --> 02:22:47 [UNKNOWN]: Clearly.
02:22:48 --> 02:22:48 [UNKNOWN]: Clearly.
02:22:49 --> 02:22:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's a long, it's been a long day and it's been a long five.
02:22:51 --> 02:22:53 [UNKNOWN]: So that brings more down.
02:22:55 --> 02:22:55 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:22:55 --> 02:22:57 [UNKNOWN]: So we got to do that.
02:22:57 --> 02:23:08 [UNKNOWN]: But what I will say to Connor's email is that the last bit of it when Vanessa Baiting Kelly says,
02:23:10 --> 02:23:14 [UNKNOWN]: They don't want fans being upset but they change the way the character is used.
02:23:15 --> 02:23:15 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:23:17 --> 02:23:26 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that that's just feeding into my belief that Leanna is not a guardian.
02:23:27 --> 02:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:23:29 --> 02:23:31 [UNKNOWN]: Right, because they didn't have room to do that.
02:23:32 --> 02:23:33 [UNKNOWN]: Never do that.
02:23:33 --> 02:23:35 [UNKNOWN]: Right, nice one, nice one.
02:23:36 --> 02:23:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so what is Leon it like yeah, all right.
02:23:39 --> 02:23:41 [UNKNOWN]: So the paranoia, the fear, fear is contagious.
02:23:43 --> 02:23:45 [UNKNOWN]: Fear is, and that's what it is people.
02:23:46 --> 02:23:46 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:23:47 --> 02:23:49 [UNKNOWN]: So we have a ton of information about John's background.
02:23:49 --> 02:23:52 [UNKNOWN]: I tried to like take Connor's email and really boil it down.
02:23:52 --> 02:23:53 [UNKNOWN]: He's got a lot to say.
02:23:53 --> 02:23:59 [UNKNOWN]: And he, he, he, he, he, exerted, excerpted two big long interviews.
02:24:00 --> 02:24:04 [UNKNOWN]: And I pulled part of one and I've got a big chunk of the other one.
02:24:04 --> 02:24:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:24:05 --> 02:24:07 [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's some interesting stuff.
02:24:07 --> 02:24:08 [UNKNOWN]: So take it away.
02:24:11 --> 02:24:15 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it would be prudent to share a bit about John's origin in the comics.
02:24:15 --> 02:24:18 [UNKNOWN]: However, that made me feel as though I should share why he was created.
02:24:19 --> 02:24:24 [UNKNOWN]: I consider sending my own account of it, but then I remember there was an interview with Neil Adams, his creator.
02:24:24 --> 02:24:27 [UNKNOWN]: I tracked it down and I thought I would add it here.
02:24:28 --> 02:24:30 [UNKNOWN]: Partial Neil Adams interview.
02:24:31 --> 02:24:32 [UNKNOWN]: So this was really, really long.
02:24:32 --> 02:24:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then I just pulled out this bottom, this last little chunk of it.
02:24:36 --> 02:24:38 [UNKNOWN]: It's sort of where it sort of comes together.
02:24:39 --> 02:24:40 [UNKNOWN]: So this is Neil Adams.
02:24:40 --> 02:24:43 [UNKNOWN]: The second ending of the story happened very close to doing the book.
02:24:44 --> 02:24:45 [UNKNOWN]: So I did the book in Hammond, it didn't.
02:24:46 --> 02:24:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I colored it.
02:24:47 --> 02:24:50 [UNKNOWN]: Back in those days, when you colored comic books, you had to mark your colors.
02:24:50 --> 02:24:51 [UNKNOWN]: You would number them.
02:24:51 --> 02:24:53 [UNKNOWN]: So angle sex and flesh would be Y2R2.
02:24:55 --> 02:25:18 [UNKNOWN]: That's 25% yeah, a little 25% red black people and they usually did like a khaki a light brown it was like why are to be too shit brown it looks like they should and they call it all black people that way so I didn't of course I call it John Stuart talk brown I handed in the job and I handed the job in and I
02:25:19 --> 02:25:19 [UNKNOWN]: I marked it.
02:25:20 --> 02:25:24 [UNKNOWN]: Why are three B2?
02:25:24 --> 02:25:25 [UNKNOWN]: That's going to be dark.
02:25:26 --> 02:25:28 [UNKNOWN]: Saw comes in and says new.
02:25:29 --> 02:25:33 [UNKNOWN]: I noticed that you call it the John Stuart guy kind of a darker brown.
02:25:33 --> 02:25:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah?
02:25:34 --> 02:25:37 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we usually call it black people a little brown.
02:25:38 --> 02:25:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I noticed that.
02:25:39 --> 02:25:44 [UNKNOWN]: In fact, over at Marvel, they call it this counter game in the howling commandals great.
02:25:45 --> 02:25:48 [UNKNOWN]: Why too are to be too great?
02:25:48 --> 02:25:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but are you sure you want to have that dark?
02:25:52 --> 02:25:57 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, most people I know are pretty dark, most black people I know are pretty dark.
02:25:58 --> 02:26:00 [UNKNOWN]: There are some very light skin people, but not John Stewart.
02:26:01 --> 02:26:06 [UNKNOWN]: Now, I'm going to say something that they said that's going to be a direct crow.
02:26:07 --> 02:26:09 [UNKNOWN]: You have to understand that this is a direct crow.
02:26:10 --> 02:26:12 [UNKNOWN]: And after you hear it, you'll go, really?
02:26:13 --> 02:26:14 [UNKNOWN]: Nobody would have said that.
02:26:15 --> 02:26:16 [UNKNOWN]: Nobody human would have said that.
02:26:17 --> 02:26:20 [UNKNOWN]: But still, you have to remember the times we were in, okay?
02:26:21 --> 02:26:21 [UNKNOWN]: Interview her.
02:26:22 --> 02:26:22 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:26:23 --> 02:26:28 [UNKNOWN]: Neil Adams says, are you sure black people won't be offended?
02:26:30 --> 02:26:34 [UNKNOWN]: I said, ah, no, I don't think they'll be offended.
02:26:35 --> 02:26:43 [UNKNOWN]: I think they've been offended for the last 50 years, but no, I don't think they'll be offended by having dark-skinned black people.
02:26:43 --> 02:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: No, no.
02:26:45 --> 02:26:46 [UNKNOWN]: I think that would be pretty much okay.
02:26:47 --> 02:26:48 [UNKNOWN]: He said, well, it's on you.
02:26:49 --> 02:26:55 [UNKNOWN]: I said, he just gave me those letters, those cars and letters, when they come in and I will deal with them.
02:26:56 --> 02:26:59 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man, same way, now we have John Stuart.
02:27:00 --> 02:27:15 [UNKNOWN]: And I can tell you, when I go to conventions, I have a dope blackmail standing in front of me, and they cry because of John Stuart, because they've been waiting their whole lifetime for a non gang, non tribal chief, college educated blackman to be in comic books.
02:27:15 --> 02:27:18 [UNKNOWN]: They like that, like it a lot.
02:27:24 --> 02:27:26 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know who this guy is.
02:27:26 --> 02:27:37 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know anything about the history of the Green Lantern comic or anything, but the matter of factness that he's just like, what the fuck are he talking about?
02:27:37 --> 02:27:42 [UNKNOWN]: Would it black people going to be offended if there's a dark skin black band as a comic book hero?
02:27:43 --> 02:27:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's your being ridiculous.
02:27:46 --> 02:27:59 [UNKNOWN]: This is the character as I envision them and so this is the color they're going to be so fuck off I like I just love his They're just people you know people we're just people and this is this character and this is the way it so
02:28:01 --> 02:28:03 [UNKNOWN]: I just love them with that or fact this, you know?
02:28:03 --> 02:28:06 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's the key when you say that just people, it's never just people.
02:28:07 --> 02:28:10 [UNKNOWN]: Because I think for white people, it's just people.
02:28:10 --> 02:28:10 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:28:11 --> 02:28:12 [UNKNOWN]: For black folk, it's never just people.
02:28:13 --> 02:28:13 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:28:13 --> 02:28:14 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:28:14 --> 02:28:17 [UNKNOWN]: And the way that things are shown is never just
02:28:18 --> 02:28:19 [UNKNOWN]: you know, without intent.
02:28:20 --> 02:28:20 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:28:21 --> 02:28:30 [UNKNOWN]: There's always intention behind the way things are shown behind stories and the stories that are told and the characters that are, that the stories are told about.
02:28:30 --> 02:28:37 [UNKNOWN]: And so this, you know, when I started reading comics,
02:28:41 --> 02:28:50 [UNKNOWN]: Really, really, did I have black-led comics in my hand?
02:28:51 --> 02:28:51 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:28:51 --> 02:29:01 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I think I told you this, you know, once, like, I got started in comics because some of the, like, all the doing on my block was like giving away his comics and he gave me his box.
02:29:01 --> 02:29:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's how I got into comics.
02:29:04 --> 02:29:10 [UNKNOWN]: in the first comic I ever read and fell in love with was giant size Conan the barbarian.
02:29:10 --> 02:29:10 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:29:11 --> 02:29:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know that.
02:29:12 --> 02:29:16 [UNKNOWN]: So you rarely got black lead comics.
02:29:16 --> 02:29:16 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:29:18 --> 02:29:23 [UNKNOWN]: Just like you rarely got black lead movies and sci-fi and fantasy.
02:29:25 --> 02:29:27 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, that everybody was reading.
02:29:28 --> 02:29:28 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:29:28 --> 02:29:30 [UNKNOWN]: Well, everybody was watching.
02:29:34 --> 02:29:50 [UNKNOWN]: for somebody who was growing up in the 70s, who maybe was reading X-Men comics and Superman comics and Batman comics and boom, 1971, you could get a John Stewart in your comic shop.
02:29:50 --> 02:29:51 [UNKNOWN]: And you have this comic in your head.
02:29:52 --> 02:29:54 [UNKNOWN]: I can't imagine what it did for that kid.
02:29:55 --> 02:29:55 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:29:56 --> 02:29:56 [UNKNOWN]: For that young adult.
02:29:57 --> 02:30:03 [UNKNOWN]: And who wasn't colored baby shit brown right like every other let it afro wasn't colored mm-hmm.
02:30:03 --> 02:30:11 [UNKNOWN]: It looked like you know like you drew it like you would draw it like you would color it.
02:30:12 --> 02:30:20 [UNKNOWN]: wasn't, you know, a pimple wasn't, okay, I love watching my black presentation, you know, movies don't get me wrong.
02:30:20 --> 02:30:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not, I'm not not, I'm not playing that.
02:30:22 --> 02:30:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying that offered a different side of life.
02:30:28 --> 02:30:44 [UNKNOWN]: I think that is invaluable, and for that to be something that we still talk about in 2026 is what's depressing, not this interview, but that we still have to bring it up.
02:30:52 --> 02:30:54 [UNKNOWN]: follow through on this next show.
02:30:55 --> 02:30:56 [UNKNOWN]: So let's go to Bruce Tim.
02:30:57 --> 02:31:00 [UNKNOWN]: This is from Connor and again, the kind of this is this stuff.
02:31:00 --> 02:31:02 [UNKNOWN]: Like he dug and he did the work.
02:31:02 --> 02:31:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he did, he did, he did honor did the work.
02:31:04 --> 02:31:07 [UNKNOWN]: Connor, you did it, you did it.
02:31:07 --> 02:31:09 [UNKNOWN]: This is awesome.
02:31:09 --> 02:31:15 [UNKNOWN]: Bruce Tim, who is one of the creators of the DC AU, animating universe.
02:31:15 --> 02:31:18 [UNKNOWN]: New, he wanted a green lantern on the Justice League,
02:31:22 --> 02:31:26 [UNKNOWN]: He's the most controversial character so far from what we've been gathering on the internet.
02:31:27 --> 02:31:33 [UNKNOWN]: When the show was first announced in the lineup, people were saying, oh well, why aren't they using how to join it?
02:31:33 --> 02:31:36 [UNKNOWN]: And ah, it's got to be Guy Gaudenet.
02:31:36 --> 02:31:38 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's got to be Carl Reiner.
02:31:39 --> 02:31:40 [UNKNOWN]: And so obviously we picked the wrong one.
02:31:41 --> 02:31:44 [UNKNOWN]: But the reasons we did choose just to it are various.
02:31:45 --> 02:31:46 [UNKNOWN]: I think they're all valid.
02:31:47 --> 02:31:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right off the bat, I'll just say it, you know?
02:31:50 --> 02:31:52 [UNKNOWN]: We did need ethnic diversity in the Justice League.
02:31:53 --> 02:31:56 [UNKNOWN]: We felt the show is going to be seeing worldwide.
02:31:56 --> 02:32:04 [UNKNOWN]: And I think having a member of the Justice League, who is just not just Mr. Whitebread, is a good thing.
02:32:06 --> 02:32:18 [UNKNOWN]: Another reason we chose him, literally out of all the green lanterns we could have chosen, we all kind of like the John Stuart character from the comics, especially the Denny O'Neill Neill Adams version.
02:32:19 --> 02:32:29 [UNKNOWN]: When they first introduced him, he was like the angry young black guy, you know, 69 or 70, even though that's not really relevant today, like the whole black power movement and everything.
02:32:36 --> 02:32:38 [UNKNOWN]: and banging around ideas of what to do with them.
02:32:39 --> 02:32:42 [UNKNOWN]: Going back to the original idea of the Green Lantern Court.
02:32:42 --> 02:32:47 [UNKNOWN]: They're basically lendsmen, they're space cops, they're space marines.
02:32:47 --> 02:32:49 [UNKNOWN]: We're like, okay, he's a military guy.
02:32:50 --> 02:32:54 [UNKNOWN]: And then somebody said, Lewis got a junior in an officer in a gentleman.
02:32:54 --> 02:32:58 [UNKNOWN]: And I said, yeah, and I went, wait a minute, Samuel L. Jackson.
02:32:59 --> 02:33:02 [UNKNOWN]: And everyone went, yeah, so that's kind of who he is.
02:33:02 --> 02:33:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's a real rugged, no nonsense, barking orders kind of green lantern, and we love him to pieces.
02:33:09 --> 02:33:10 [UNKNOWN]: We love him so much.
02:33:10 --> 02:33:16 [UNKNOWN]: He's like in almost every episode, and I predict that you guys are going to love him too.
02:33:21 --> 02:33:22 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:33:22 --> 02:33:29 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, for most people, you know, who grew up in the late 90s, 2000s,
02:33:34 --> 02:33:43 [UNKNOWN]: watching the animated TV shows, John Stuart his degree, and that's it.
02:33:43 --> 02:33:45 [UNKNOWN]: There's no other way, there's no other way to say.
02:33:46 --> 02:33:46 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:33:46 --> 02:33:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, for a lot of comic book readers,
02:33:50 --> 02:34:03 [UNKNOWN]: that made you still may see, you know, how joining's my guy, you know, how rainers my guy got me, I don't know anybody who would say guy got this, they got it, come on, come on, okay.
02:34:03 --> 02:34:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry if there's a guy going in their guy out there, but I don't know any, let me just say, you don't run with the guy got me, I don't know any guy going in their guys, but go out, go out,
02:34:18 --> 02:34:31 [UNKNOWN]: But John Stewart is the Green Lantern for the last 26 years, so they were right.
02:34:32 --> 02:34:44 [UNKNOWN]: You know, people do love John Stewart and I think watching those shows they did an excellent job of portraying him overall as a character.
02:34:45 --> 02:34:56 [UNKNOWN]: And so, I have no quibbles with what they did in the animated shows for his character.
02:34:56 --> 02:35:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I think they really put him in the forefront, which made them put him even more in the forefront in the comic books.
02:35:13 --> 02:35:23 [UNKNOWN]: Even in the last five years, he's taken a really prominent role in Green Lantern and the DCU comic, Harriet.
02:35:24 --> 02:35:24 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:35:25 --> 02:35:30 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you don't talk Green Lantern if you're not talking about John Stuart.
02:35:30 --> 02:35:30 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
02:35:33 --> 02:35:34 [UNKNOWN]: Cool.
02:35:34 --> 02:35:37 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we have this last run.
02:35:40 --> 02:35:45 [UNKNOWN]: of Conner's email, which gets more into sort of some deeper background.
02:35:47 --> 02:35:49 [UNKNOWN]: Don't know if we want to go all the way into this.
02:35:50 --> 02:35:54 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think you've got a chance to pre-read that I didn't read it yet.
02:35:54 --> 02:35:56 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:35:57 --> 02:35:59 [UNKNOWN]: Let's hold on to this for another day.
02:35:59 --> 02:35:59 [UNKNOWN]: Possibly.
02:36:01 --> 02:36:07 [UNKNOWN]: Too much of Conner's just musings about how that all weaves together, the sort of history weaves together.
02:36:08 --> 02:36:11 [UNKNOWN]: because I am, I think I'm cooked.
02:36:14 --> 02:36:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm cooked.
02:36:14 --> 02:36:18 [UNKNOWN]: We're still coming back for the weekend and yeah, it's busy day and all that sort of stuff.
02:36:18 --> 02:36:26 [UNKNOWN]: I can just feel my brain just sort of wishing down and you know, I don't know what we're almost probably almost a couple of hours on this podcast, so.
02:36:27 --> 02:36:34 [UNKNOWN]: Oh shit, yeah, yeah, yeah, we are, yeah, we are, we are.
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