David is joined by Jon and Elysia for the season preview of Star Wars: Maul - Shadow Lord, the new animated series created by Dave Filoni and Matt Michnovetz.
The conversation is structured in tiers, starting spoiler-free with release details and coverage plans before moving into light story and production context, and finally diving deep into Maul's full backstory and the crime syndicates of the Star Wars underworld.
Elysia provides extensive lore context on Maul's journey from Dathomir through The Clone Wars to his post-Order 66 status, while the team discusses the show's potential as a character study exploring revenge, power, and the criminal underbelly of the galaxy.
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00:19 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Lorehouse, where your guides to the underbelly of the Empire.
00:23 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm David, and this is our season preview for the new Star Wars animated feature Mall Shadowlord with me today to talk about the show and our coverage plans are my fellow hosts, John and Alicia.
00:36 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, hello.
00:37 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, sorry about my sound quality for having some mic issues.
00:41 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like always the case, right?
00:43 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's always something, it's always something, but we'll get that started out.
00:47 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll hopefully do a little bit of back-in production work and get it sounding good.
00:52 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So you're in the cockpit, Alicia.
00:53 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: You're in the cockpit.
00:54 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
00:54 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Starfighters.
00:55 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
00:56 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You're in the field reporter.
00:58 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
00:58 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
00:59 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Agro Squadron.
01:00 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Back in effect.
01:02 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_01]: that's totally it right there.
01:04 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to start off today, quote unquote spoiler free.
01:08 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start off with light lore details and then as the podcast moves forward, we're going to slowly get deeper and deeper into the lore of this show in this world.
01:17 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to just get the basics of the show like what night it is and how many episodes and that kind of stuff and then what our coverage plans are, we've got you covered in the first part of the
01:28 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after we do the coverage plans, we're going to talk a little bit about the timeline in some basic details about the characters, just very sort of broad stroke stuff.
01:39 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to take a break.
01:42 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to head over to Chalmunz's space port continues, that how you pronounce it?
01:48 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: No, nobody knows.
01:51 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we're going to go to the Cantida on the Spaceport in Los Isles, and we're going to get real dirty with the lore, we're going to get into malls, backstory, we're going to talk about all the other main characters that we see, Ventress Watch is activated, and so we're just going to talk about a whole bunch of stuff.
02:09 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So you've got a couple of off ramps during the podcast, depending on what level of detail you want.
02:15 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: John, where can folks find us?
02:18 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to reach us, you can email Star Wars at theloorhounds.com or you can head on to the discord linked in the show notes for community conversations with all of your lower-hand friends.
02:26 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you'll find it links to all of this and more in the link tree in the show notes.
02:32 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We are proud independent podcastors and we'd love your supports.
02:36 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You will also find links to our Patreon in supercast episodes, feeds where you will get ad free access to all these episodes plus more stay tuned for the outro for more on that.
02:47 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you contribute, Alicia can get a new cable for her mic.
02:52 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:52 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't we all want that?
02:55 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
02:55 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
02:55 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So I rewatched the trailer yesterday and Dan, if I was just not excited.
03:01 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really curious to just get your general vibe checks, both of you, about how you're feeling for the show and sort of what we're thinking about for the rest of the year with Star Wars content.
03:16 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll just say I did not watch the trailer to deliberately because I don't I'm tired of trailer spoiling the whole right like so then maybe you should leave at the end no it's fine I just I we could talk about it.
03:29 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to I want to see the moments for the first time I feel in context I mean I'm really excited I would I self-public tell me or the other night and one of the trailers was of course the Mandalorian and Grogo
03:41 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, I am excited for that one.
03:46 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_03]: It looked like it had the right amount of humor and the right amount of seriousness.
03:49 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, they should pay to a Pascal's face.
03:51 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, of course, they're going to, you know, it's a movie.
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's going to show it to this one.
03:55 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to do a whole movie with, with Helmut on the whole time.
03:59 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, you have to have some paid or a face in there.
04:02 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_03]: 100%.
04:03 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw anyway.
04:04 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_03]: That got me a little hyped on the Star Wars train.
04:06 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I will say, I think if you go back to our solo coverage, because remember, we have a stalled watch of the Star Wars movies.
04:14 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_03]: If you go back to our solo coverage, we're also up in that movie.
04:20 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I had said it would be great to pick up this crime syndicate line with mall and I'm glad that they're finally doing it because this is in some of the animated shows mall shows up.
04:31 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're talking about that later.
04:34 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But there's all these hints of what mall is doing in the background and I always wanted to see more of it because I think mall is one of the most interesting characters and Star Wars.
04:43 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're really excited and I think a lot of people who have not kept up on this if
04:52 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: enough.
04:53 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The most alive, I guess.
04:54 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, true.
04:55 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, how are you feeling about going into this new show?
05:00 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, this is one of my favorite characters, so, you know, any time one of my death amiris shows up, you know, that I'm showing up as well.
05:08 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So definitely all the way in on this one.
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Ventress watch activated, of course.
05:14 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking forward to the Mandalorian Grogo movie?
05:18 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think don't are we getting a silka later this year?
05:21 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We are.
05:22 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:23 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
05:23 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exciting.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:25 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I am looking forward to them both, but I have a nervous going into both of them
05:40 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: everything, let's just make it the Disney's move toward making things more commercial and, you know, I don't forget what Stowards is about.
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
05:50 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it should we compare our levels of nervousness, mind being devil wear's product, too, and yours for Groguin Mandalorian?
05:59 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot more, I have a lot less nervousness about the world's proud of two, but that's because it's made by the same people under the same conditions, but I understand you will have more investment in that.
06:12 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, it's a running joke at the end, but yeah.
06:14 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say to direct, it's a direct comparison for the exact same reasons as my nervousness for Avengers doomsday.
06:22 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... which is coming out on dune three so we're having dune what are they calling it dunes day dune stay whatever yeah i hate that i don't i want that i'll refer that i hate that fair to stick yeah no i i will say that was one of the other trailers in project hillmerry when i saw it and i was like i i'm excited for this i want to i want to go see uh... see me some dune this year
06:45 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've been threatening to not watch part two.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I never watched part two.
06:50 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I should just go in and be like, what's going on, everybody?
06:54 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's like me dropping into severance for the final season.
06:57 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, we're not here to talk about any of those things.
06:59 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're here to talk about mall shadow ward.
07:02 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is the only piece at this stage that we're going to talk about for the show storyline.
07:09 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the premise.
07:10 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the basic premise that's just sort of available on the internet.
07:14 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Mall seeks to rebuild his criminal syndicate on a world largely untouched by the empire, while pursuing revenge and a new apprentice.
07:23 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's created by Dave Folloni and Matt Mitch Mitch Novats, is that how we pronounce his name?
07:30 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's a writer, a key writer, head writer, something like that?
07:34 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've got one season so far, 10 episodes that are going to be releasing on Mondays starting April 6th.
07:45 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be dropping two episodes per week for the five week run.
07:50 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: now I looked around and I couldn't find any intel on what the run times for the episodes have been, but most of the other animated series is the episodes are somewhere between 20 and 30 minutes.
08:04 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's an assumption, but we don't have any any hard data.
08:09 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The final two episodes are going to be dropping on Star Wars Day.
08:13 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think they, they time this very intentionally, and I believe, at least it can form if this is true season two, has already been approved?
08:23 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
08:23 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: With no specific date yet, right?
08:26 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
08:26 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
08:27 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, but it's in pre-production production.
08:31 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on it.
08:32 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
08:32 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_03]: It's wild to me, though, because like all of these animated shows, except like bad matching homework, like the main ones, they've been like standalone, right?
08:40 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Like tales of the empire, tales of the underworld, tales of blah, blah, blah.
08:44 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But all the tales ones are their own thing.
08:47 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they are, that is a series, tales of, and then each season, it's like an anthology show, versus this is more like, more like bad batch or something.
08:59 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just, I guess I wasn't expecting it to not be a one-off.
09:03 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
09:04 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, yeah, like a tales like that.
09:06 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought it was going to be a like, like kind of just followed one character through a little journey and then move it on.
09:12 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
09:13 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's interesting.
09:13 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I want to ask you all, are you nervous that we're going to be?
09:19 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: ruining the mystique of mall because he only shows up in bits in our hearts.
09:24 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's kick that down the road a little bit because I just want to get through the coverage plans and then okay.
09:30 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: In the mid tier section where we can talk a little bit about more the story and mall and then we'll definitely get into we can really get into the backstory of mall in the third part.
09:41 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So, our coverage plans, John, you and I are going to be doing weekly on this, and we're going to have a rotating chair, possibly, of some of the other Lohound's community folks dropping in here and there, and Alicia has, as we said, Ventress Watch is activated, but she's also activated the Ventress Claw's, Ventress Claw's,
10:06 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: in the foundational documents of the Lorehouse that any time that Ventress shows up, at least it shows up as well.
10:13 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And right now it's the dormant Ventress cause.
10:15 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_03]: It, it, it awakens upon the appearance of.
10:17 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
10:18 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Activation.
10:18 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
10:20 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But you have hopes.
10:21 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
10:22 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'll talk about later why I'm going to wait just a minute and that points on it.
10:27 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
10:28 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And when Alicia is in her European slumber, she or eyes will open in the middle of the night as soon as she as soon as the episode drops and there's a ventress on it.
10:36 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, these episodes drop in midnight, so it's 9 a.m. my time.
10:40 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, then it will be during American slumber.
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, night Pacific time, I think.
10:44 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, yeah.
10:46 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Breakfast.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Good breakfast material.
10:48 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to aim to record some time like Tuesday Wednesday Thursday, depending on who's joining us and what's happening in real life.
10:55 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: As usual subscribers, we'll get ad free episodes and then we're going to publish both on our mean fire host feed and our star wars.
11:04 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: specialty feed, which are both adds important.
11:07 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to do the ads, then you can join us over on Supercast or Patreon.
11:13 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do double episode coverages.
11:16 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6, et cetera, et cetera, for each week.
11:21 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Alicia, you're going to be sending us some com-links with some more bombs.
11:26 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Each week is that what your plan is.
11:30 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the plan.
11:31 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Find something fun in each episode and tell you more about it.
11:34 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's great.
11:36 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Discord is the place to be to talk about the episodes.
11:39 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a threaded discussion channel, so each bank or each pair of episodes will have its own channel.
11:45 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So I know everybody watches at their own pace in some households, Friday nights, is Star Wars nights, and that kind of thing.
11:52 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So watch at your pace, but then when you want to jump in on the conversation, Discord is there.
11:56 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have the siloed channel, so you won't get spoiled as we go along.
12:03 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
12:03 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you celebrate Greek Star Wars, then it's the following Friday.
12:07 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Orthodox.
12:09 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:09 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Very funny.
12:10 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
12:10 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is the first off ramp.
12:13 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're here, just to get the basic premise of the not even premise of the show, just the details of the show,
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: and our coverage plans.
12:21 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a good exit ramp for you.
12:23 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The next stage we're going to talk about the the outlines of the story and just some of the main actors and what characters they're playing a little bit of timeline stuff.
12:34 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to just stay away from all of that, you can exit now safely.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But before we do that, just real quick.
12:41 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: What are some top line things that folks might want to catch if they're not going to hear the outro at the end?
12:48 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've got some Project Hail Mary, Project Hail Mary, did I say that right?
12:52 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to, I'm going to, you guys are going to be putting out a pod later this coming week.
12:58 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Next week.
12:59 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got a schedule to actual recording, but yeah, we got a, I mean, I got emotional watching it.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's a really good movie.
13:06 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, it's my movie of the year since I've
13:11 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_03]: it's easy.
13:12 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only movie to have seen.
13:14 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
13:15 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, you and I have the new Riz Ahmed Hamlet movie coming up.
13:22 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I am super excited to talk with you about that film.
13:25 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're going to have.
13:26 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a screen up.
13:27 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So we can do it releases on the 10th.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully we can schedule it so we can release on the day.
13:33 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome, let's get that scheduling sorted.
13:36 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Are there what other things that are we doing?
13:39 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Lorehounds-wise, that we should just let people know flag real quick.
13:42 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a Daredevil for and again, of Star Wars fans might also be interested in that.
13:47 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to do a mid-season check in next week with Sean Luke and I. OK, great.
13:54 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, John, you and I still have the pit.
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a couple more episodes to finish up on that.
13:58 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_03]: We're wrapping it up.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
14:00 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't really well.
14:01 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a lot.
14:03 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe the radioactive rambling guys are covering invincible.
14:07 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think are they doing check-ins on that from time to time?
14:11 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they're doing some invincible.
14:13 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
14:14 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're going to be coming up on the boys.
14:16 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're going to bring that as well.
14:19 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and on the main feed, by the way, still really in stories.
14:21 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm recording tonight with Marilyn.
14:23 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, we're moving on with that.
14:25 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, show some love for the Tolkien fans.
14:27 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Anthony and Steve obviously are going on with their movie reviews on their newlywed season and never mind the music continues to talk about music and psychology.
14:37 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can check out all of those in the aforementioned show notes in the link tree.
14:42 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, first mild spoiler warning.
14:45 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get into story and some production background stuff.
14:49 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, can you orient us in time as to where this season of television is going to sit?
14:57 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so time nine only just comparing it to other shows because we'll talk about the content of those shows later.
15:03 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is set in 17 BBY.
15:08 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So just to set up, we had the prequel trilogy where we first met Mo and that's, we met him in the Phantom Menace.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where he's cut and has.
15:19 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: but he is.
15:21 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And somehow.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:23 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you find out more about how he lives in the Clone Wars, we'll talk about that later.
15:27 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And then so the Clone Wars, the end of that series, and return of the Sith.
15:34 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Revenge of the Sith.
15:36 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, the return of the revenge, yes.
15:40 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Those end at the same time in 18 BBY and so this is about one year later.
15:47 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
15:48 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is set one year later.
15:49 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And then after that, just to orient the next big thing is solo, which is set seven years after this show.
15:58 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Rebels and andor is set another five to ten years after that, because they both spam five years.
16:04 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
16:04 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is all before the original trilogy and the mando verse that follows that.
16:10 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking, and for this show, we're talking the early days of the empire.
16:14 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
16:16 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, obviously, we need to talk a little bit about mall.
16:19 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get more into his back story later on, but just a quick reminder, and you're definitely going to be sending in calm links with more,
16:39 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So Gray Park is the face that you know, is associated with mall, the face upon which it's based.
16:46 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the actor who played it.
16:48 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Sam Whitwear is the person who has voiced all of the every time mall has shown up in animation.
16:54 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been voiced by Sam Whitwear.
16:56 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And not only that Sam Whitwear is along with Dee Bradley Baker.
17:00 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If you see any animated thing or even live action things, look in the credits and you're likely to see both of their names because
17:06 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: because he's just one of the most prolific voice actors overall, but he's become amongst other things, especially associated with mall.
17:15 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And Ray Park had some questionable things, and so there's this kind of like, and also I suppose he's aging, you know, and animated characters can conveniently be whatever age you want him to be.
17:26 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So they've been leaning into Sam Whittler into many people he is now through mall.
17:32 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that's where we've, because his voice on the animated, right, is where we've heard a lot.
17:38 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's a lot of resonance there.
17:39 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
17:40 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And without getting into details, Darth, we're dropping the Darth, so it's not Darth Maul anymore.
17:45 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still a dark side wielder, but he's not part of the Sith per se.
17:49 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's trying to re-establish his power base after losing control of stuff.
17:57 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to be on this other world that's, quote unquote, untouched by the empire.
18:05 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So far, yeah.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:07 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and I think John, this is interesting, because we haven't talked about this before.
18:10 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The Star Wars underworld connections, the, the Lucas concept for the sort of the underbelly of of crime.
18:21 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't remember that, but I thought I've got to
18:26 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Internet of talks about it with me.
18:28 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe.
18:29 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So I know this is not ring a bell to me.
18:31 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
18:33 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was a whole, wasn't there.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a whole series that Lucas had envisioned.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That was going to be all crimy and.
18:40 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and today they've repurposed a lot of into this into the tales of the underworld into the video game that came out a couple years ago.
18:51 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, at least, you've got an interesting note here, a blade runner version of course opt.
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the plan is called Janix.
18:59 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do have some familiarity with it just because I read the comic that's leading into this show.
19:04 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
19:05 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
19:05 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a mid-Rim planet versus, because later, when we see the empire, you know, in the main trilogy, it's meddling in the other rim.
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:15 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Where we spend a lot of time.
19:16 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, here it's further in in the midroom where they are trying to duck and cover and hide from the empire.
19:24 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
19:25 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
19:25 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a twilight jedi patawan who's on the run after order 66 named Devon, Zara, and they're going to be one of the other mean characters and they are going to be voiced by Gideon Adlon.
19:42 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can say she.
19:43 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She, okay, great.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She's voiced by Gideon Adlon.
19:47 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have the fresh off his Oscar run failed, but still got nominated.
19:55 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: A Wagner Mora is voicing a brandar loss in a police detective on the planet Janks, who's part of the local law enforcement.
20:06 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not part of the Empire.
20:09 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: and then we have two boots or two bots is Lawson's droid.
20:13 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So these are the other characters we're going to talk about them after the commercial break, but that's sort of the quick setup.
20:20 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And thematically, it sounds like we're getting into crime and the underworld.
20:25 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a mentor, a apprentice dynamic here with a patawan and Order 66.
20:30 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the style I was reading, this is going to be real serialized pulpy stuff with cliffhanger endings.
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So, it sounds like Mitch Nibits and Faloni.
20:40 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been talking about how this is a bit of a character study into Mall, and we're going to talk about him in a minute.
20:46 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I just say that Matt Machvitz was one of the main writers on the Clone Wars?
20:51 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, nice.
20:52 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:53 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Bringing him back.
20:54 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We do like the Clone Wars.
20:55 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:55 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to get into some revenge stuff and sort of malls, you know, drivenness.
21:01 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Are we speculating on who they're revinging against yet?
21:04 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we're going to do that in the next second.
21:06 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We just wanted to give people a quick picture, mid-tier sort of understanding of what the show is.
21:13 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So, John, I think this is right up the alley that you were saying of wanting to have more sort of creamy stuff in Star Wars.
21:20 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is the one I wanted and that's why you were like, we should do this and I'm like, ah, it's a little bit of, but you know, we're free between the busy seasons and then I was like, oh, but I asked, I literally asked for the show.
21:32 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So I can't not do it now.
21:33 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:34 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
21:35 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is what we're going to take a commercial break here and then when we get back from the break, we're going over to the Cantina on Masaisley and we're just going to
21:45 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get into it.
21:46 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get into the deep lore and talk about the other characters and stuff like that.
21:51 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, look for episodes starting next week, usually around the midweek, and we will see you on the discord if not elsewhere.
22:12 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're back.
22:14 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about mall up to this point.
22:19 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people's favorite characters, even though he had such a brief introduction in one of the main movies, one of the prequel movies, and then quite the life after in the animated series.
22:33 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, can you clue us into who mall is, what his backstory is, what's going on?
22:41 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_00]: sure so very briefly his backstory is he's from the planet of death in here the red you know demon on demonic looking planet um and he was born he is the biological son as far as we know within canon not within legends within canon of mother tells him who is basically like the matron of not only the night sisters but the planet as a whole
23:05 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: by the point in the story where spoiler alert, I'm about to tell you why she dies.
23:10 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
23:11 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if anybody is here, like you're deep into the Star Wars lore, and this is all spoiler, so yeah, go for it, dude.
23:18 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this ties directly into the revenge part.
23:20 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But um, so when he was a child, um, Sidious started to get close to Mother Towson.
23:28 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: She, you know,
23:33 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He then though saw how powerful Malwa so he was like never mind to you because he was worried mother Towson would become a rival so he kidnapped Mal and took him to be his apprentice and mother Towson was pissed So he got that sith training under cities and then that culminates in what we see him being cut in half in the pre-contrology right
23:56 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: he falls down a hole.
23:58 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The dual of the feet says they, is it's called?
24:01 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:02 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He falls down a hole and then we pick up with his story in the Clone Wars and this is where we find out that when down in the hole he has gone mad but with the help of a talking snake, he finds food and finds parts to build himself cybernetic spider legs so that he's crawling around.
24:21 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This type of net expiter lights until he recovers enough that his mother begins to sense he's still out there.
24:29 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So she sends his brother, Savash, Opress, yes, that's his name, to find him, and he does, and they escape and go into the galaxy, but then they are injured again in their rescue
24:50 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And we see in the Mandalorian show, right?
24:53 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, we see this mostly in the Clone Wars.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But then we see it in the Clone Wars.
24:58 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do that.
25:00 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:00 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this is all backstory for that show as well.
25:04 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So on, they help humans of our shield.
25:08 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And once they get back to the death watch, so death watch is a radical group of Mandalorians that is opposed to the government run by Satin,
25:19 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Boca town is part of the death watch.
25:22 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: John, we need to, uh, it's been a long time since we've heard your, your Boca.
25:27 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I was literally typing in the chat, Boca Town song.
25:32 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll put in a, I'll, I'll drop a note for myself here and play a clip from it.
25:35 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Boca town is bullshit, just like Luke.
25:41 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is kind of where she becomes Bocaton because it's it's malls the inciting incident for her story, basically, him showing up and okay.
26:01 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He challenges the leader of Death Watch pre-Visla, so the Visla has always been the holders of the Dark Saber.
26:08 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So he challenges pre-Visla to a duel, and ends up taking the Dark Saber and killing pre-Visla with it, which by their Lord makes him the head of the Death Watch.
26:18 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But both the town and a bunch of others are like, no, we're not following him, so they leave and splinter off.
26:25 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially because he kills her sister then later.
26:29 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So then we go to this period.
26:32 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's leading the death watch, which becomes one of the criminal we will talk about, the criminal and all syndicates later.
26:39 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But so he's bringing together the various criminal syndicates.
26:44 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:45 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The city is starting to get really nervous about his growing power.
26:50 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So he ends up confronting them, fighting them.
26:54 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He kills Sabash and chasing Mal around the galaxy.
26:58 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He captures him for a while and lets Duku torture him.
27:01 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is why Mal and Duku have particular beef.
27:04 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He escapes.
27:05 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Goes around the galaxy and city of skills, everyone that Mall knows and loves, including there's also because of Ventress.
27:15 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about Ventress later, but because of her as well and because of the growing the fear of Mother Towson's power, he massacres everyone on death in the air.
27:24 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Mother Towson survives, but he comes back and kills her later, or she sacrifices herself to save Mall later.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So, this is the part that Maul wants to revenge.
27:37 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants revenge against the Empire, first and foremost, but he still was at odds with a bunch of other people.
27:42 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So, we have at the end of the Clone Wars series, we see at first he's fighting against the Soka and the Soka manages to capture him and is taking him back to face Jedi Justice, but then order 66 happens in the middle of this.
27:57 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: which is when everyone, all of the clone troopers are told to turn on the Jedi so suddenly they're in this transporter and all the clone troopers turn against them and they are fighting, they have to fight together to escape and a soka just says, you know, what let's just these go our own ways and something to do and this picks up, this is the next part of the story after that.
28:19 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
28:20 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I just really give it what I got out of that was that mall got his ass kicked by an old man.
28:25 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The city is always I mean, every city is everyone gets their ass kicked by cities and Yoda don't just respect the old man of Star Wars.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
28:35 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
28:36 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're peril, like this is the the word there.
28:39 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So John is a we put a pin in this earlier about the mistake of mall, but this is this, they're building the show is this character study about him being driven.
28:51 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: and sort of some of the psychology of the revenge and I know Alicia, you had some points here and then John, you were curious about how this is going to change our shape of mall.
29:04 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you thinking Alicia about his character study?
29:09 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons why he and all deafemaries are some of my favorite characters is because you know you have written here mall as a driven selfish character and I added the note but not he's not a psycho or sociopath he is purely a product of his life experiences and training.
29:30 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:31 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think, yeah, that's when you hear his backstory, and as Sasha Ventress has a very similar backstory in many ways, and so this is one of the reasons why we'll get into it later.
29:42 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Why I think they will and should breathe.
29:47 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, at least I don't think she's gonna be a regular character in the show, but I would show up if she didn't show up or at least I never saw.
29:54 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
29:55 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: John, so you're worried that this might sort of demystify mall for us?
29:59 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say worried, like, look, if anybody has been watching the animated stuff, like malls in the longer a mystery, like he is, though, like, right.
30:07 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's been in quite a lot.
30:08 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny because, you know, I think mall was really hyped up when people first saw the trailers, and I was like, five years old, so I did not see the trailers.
30:16 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But when they first saw the trailers of the Phantom Menace, and they were like, oh my god, this spiky guy with the duels, lightsabers on the whole side, and he dies in that movie.
30:27 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think a lot of people were really, and he had one line, right?
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Like he had like one or two lines.
30:32 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think people were really disappointed that he wasn't used more.
30:35 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And so,
30:37 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_03]: All the animated people were like hold by beer.
30:40 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put him in every single animated thing that exists So low probably would have been expanded upon more had it done better in the box office and I think that was a lost opportunity So I'm glad that we're coming back now.
30:53 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I think
30:55 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Like Alicia said, you know, he's not a psychopath.
30:57 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_03]: He's he you can understand his motivations and that's what makes him an interesting character.
31:02 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_03]: He has so much beef with Obi-Wan Kenobi because he believes him for like everything.
31:09 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And what I think is interesting is and Alicia, I don't think you mentioned Satin, right?
31:13 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I can, I think you didn't, okay, yeah, right, right, yeah, but I do, I don't think you named after that's what I was, so he kills the team who, you know, long time fans will know was supposedly Obi-Wan's affair.
31:27 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, forgot about that.
31:28 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:29 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And so Obi-Wan also hates him.
31:31 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't, I honestly hope we don't see Obi-Wan this season, but I think if this is going to be a multi-season show, you're going to see at least some confrontation.
31:39 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_03]: We know that in the in rebels, Molly is finally killed by Obi-Wan.
31:45 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Obi-Wan is, at this point, he's just started his, you know, a distinct guardianship of Luke, I'm tattooing, and so he's hold off in that corner of the
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_03]: He's on good bed now.
31:57 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
31:57 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:58 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I should say I didn't put Obi-Wan in the timeline, but that also is But is it shortly after so long?
32:04 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No, we'll shortly after this.
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
32:08 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because they're the the skywalkers are young kids, right?
32:14 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
32:15 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so we're gonna get, I think all up in the mall's business here then.
32:21 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the other characters that we want to talk about, I think you've got some intel, Alicia, but then I see you've got some notes on some comic things here, did you wanna flag those real quick or,
32:36 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just wanted to let people know that they have started a new comic series that leads directly into this.
32:42 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They so far as of this recording released one issue, it's called Shadow of Mall, and they released the first issue in early March, and the second issue is coming April 8th.
32:53 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So right after the first episode drops, but it will, I think, yeah, the series will run through the show, and I think it will actually, though, timeline wise, lead directly
33:05 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice, uh, good marketing.
33:08 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe I'll hop over to my local comic book shop today and pick it up.
33:13 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you haven't.
33:14 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you haven't done any.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't heard you talk about comics.
33:16 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have.
33:16 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I got back into novels more and right.
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm stuck.
33:20 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to also like when you ain't your thing now.
33:24 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_03]: You're doing the what?
33:25 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, you have my tiny little reading of my tiny baby reader.
33:27 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm getting a smaller one by the way.
33:29 --> 33:30 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, buddy.
33:31 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we just hook it up to your optical nerve and call it good?
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right, that's right.
33:35 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait until your eyes start to go.
33:37 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can make the font bigger.
33:38 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just that the reader is, right?
33:40 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_03]: You can read a novel at one word in a time.
33:42 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, exactly, the end.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
33:50 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
33:51 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd like to say about the comics that it does introduce Brenda Lawson, Wagner Morris character.
33:58 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
33:58 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can tell you that he's the captain of the local tactical defense force.
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You've already said, yeah, he's not part of the empire.
34:04 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to be stay independent from the empire.
34:08 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
34:09 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He does.
34:10 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They do specifically have him order a coralean whiskey, which
34:14 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Coralia is where both hot solo and Kira are from.
34:20 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think the way his character is coded, it's he's like Han Solo, but he's a lawman and a family man.
34:26 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it so?
34:27 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, got it.
34:28 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, his bot two boots.
34:30 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's spelled T, I'm sorry, the number two BOT, but they come to boots.
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Two boots got it.
34:37 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm down for Wagnamora in this.
34:40 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I like him, I like his voice,
34:44 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: a fun, a list star to bring in.
34:46 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this guy is Oscar nominated.
34:48 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So, out from outside of the, you know, usual Star Wars actor.
34:56 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I don't know what I'm saying here, but I'm just like, this is a big name to join in on this.
35:00 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously we have Pedro Pascal in the live action.
35:02 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this is pretty exciting.
35:04 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any intel on, on Devon isara?
35:08 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yes, I think you already said she's running from order 66.
35:12 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So we said that's happened a year before this at the beginning of the show.
35:18 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: She is still with her master eco-deo-daki, which is a great game.
35:25 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I have that as my ring toe?
35:27 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, am I allowed to say now that I don't expect, I think his prognosis for survival is poor.
35:34 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's a Jedi in the early empire.
35:38 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, who's not listed as a main character?
35:42 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
35:43 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I will say.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Might as well put a red robe on him.
35:46 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a URL we can concern in the post in the order 66 era of like,
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_03]: how many jetties survived this?
35:55 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like maybe we have too many jetties around still.
35:59 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but they are, they will talk about it with the venture section, but they are embedding a reason for into the recent storytelling.
36:08 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
36:09 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
36:09 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
36:10 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we got this again this set up with a sort of master apprentice dynamic and and paddle alms in order 66 so like real real core Star Wars storytelling stuff.
36:24 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: some other.
36:25 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I was going to say about that that it's just what's really interesting about it is that and this is speculation, spoilers speculation, don't complain if you don't want to hear this.
36:37 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're in that space.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening at this point, you cannot at us unless you have something to add.
36:43 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot criticize at us.
36:44 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have not seen the show, but I think that they will be drawing interesting parallels between so Devon shows up with Hiko Dia-Dakki, and I think he's going to die, and then I think that she may indeed become an apprentice of Mal.
37:04 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of speculation online that she's inspired by a very popular character from legends
37:11 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Darth Talon has not been brought into canon and a lot of people in wanting to but she is set much later in the timeline that hasn't even been touched and Dave Feloni has always made clear that he wanted Mal and Talon to be able to interact.
37:27 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that they might have just created this new character as a Dark Talon stand in so they can put her in the part of the timeline they want to.
37:37 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
37:37 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also, yeah, those interesting, there will be interesting parallels with Ventress's journey and what happens with, you know, I think it's going to be a question, is Devon going to go the way of mall or she's going to go the way of Ventress.
37:51 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
37:52 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of this sort of opens up the the question of the inquisitors and we've got Maraq from Asoka, right?
37:59 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and we see him in the trailer.
38:01 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that him?
38:02 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's questioning somebody.
38:03 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So anything that we need to know about him a little bit.
38:07 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, just he's been this mystery figure that we were kind of like,
38:12 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember going into a soka, how heavily we are speculating about this character, and then we just disappeared in a puff of green smoke, so I think this is their chance to actually do something with a character.
38:28 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
38:28 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
38:29 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and you wanted to put some points down on the table.
38:33 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You wanted to get some boxes of cereal wager to up about Ventress.
38:39 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:40 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us about that.
38:42 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's, I think she's going to show up, as I said, because she is also from Deathmear.
38:48 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: She is not the child of mother tells him, but I would venture to say that she's the other most important.
38:54 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: person of the next generation to mother tells him and you know she sees mother tells him to sort of a mother figure to her in many ways she has very similar story where she was taken away as a young child and trained by Sith but she spent some time in Jedi training tail and then eventually was disillusioned by the Sith particularly count do go so they have a shared enemy there and they both want to
39:24 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So just to set where ventricis at this point in the timeline.
39:30 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So during the end of the Clone Wars, there are these episodes they didn't produce about ventricis.
39:35 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So they turned them into this book called Dark Disciple.
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure, John, and you've heard us talk about it before.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I read it.
39:42 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
39:43 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You and I've talked about this before and about.
39:46 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: At the end, she appears to die.
39:48 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This happens in 19 B.B.
39:50 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
39:50 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about two years before this show is set.
39:55 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
39:55 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We have since seen Ventress, quote, unquote, come back from the dead in the bad batch and I'm detecting a theme here in Star Wars.
40:04 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And tales of the underworld, which are both set, we don't know exactly when, but around the same time as this show.
40:12 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe slightly before, we're not fully sure, but there's also, yeah, there's lots of adventures in mall have barely ever interacted.
40:22 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: interactive with malls brothers in a way that might make things even more complicated in the Clone Wars.
40:31 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: She ends up going to the night brother camp, putting them through this gladiator style test to fight to the death.
40:39 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when Savash helps their other brother
40:47 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: she forces Savage to kill for all to prove her loyal, his loyalty to the dark side and then takes him on mission.
40:53 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So she forced one of one of Moll's brothers to kill the other brother while their mother watched and her mother watched willingly, Towson's like, yep, this makes sense, this is our way.
41:06 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So this beef going into this, but one thing I wanted to talk to you, John, about is the path.
41:12 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yep, from Obi-Wan,
41:15 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the path from Obi-Wan, but then also you have read some of the Hyderpublic books.
41:22 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I don't long time ago, I don't even remember half of what was in them, okay, but you remember the path of the open hand and the night.
41:32 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, I do.
41:33 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the night or would travel around the galaxy using something called the paths, which are not hyperlanes, but are like these hidden things that allowed them to swoop in unexpected.
41:45 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: to attack.
41:48 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that the path that they talk about now is using these same paths because, and this is how they're doing the exact opposite before the 9-Hill, we're using them to kill Jedi.
42:00 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And now they're being used as an underground railroad to save Jedi from order 66.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I like that idea.
42:09 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I see the boxes of cereal getting stacked up here on the net wages.
42:15 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not cereal.
42:16 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Serial is for when it's sloppy.
42:19 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but that's what we bet.
42:19 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we bet.
42:20 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's our, that's our wage, isn't it?
42:22 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not those cereal.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the, that's the coin of the realm.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, if you say so.
42:29 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I say so.
42:30 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
42:30 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this sounds exciting.
42:31 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So like it, like there's layers for just cool ass action, pulpy stuff, but then the deeper connections into the show.
42:41 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So the more you talk, the less I understand, but the more excited I'm getting.
42:45 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a good version.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk real quick.
42:49 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll wrap it up with some crime syndicate information.
42:53 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And John, this is,
43:00 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: criminal elements operating in the universe, so Alicia, did you have some intel for us to orient around that?
43:08 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just think, yeah, the show is probably going to be about getting the band back together.
43:12 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We did in the comic meet a crime-lord named Demis, but I think that may be a comic only thing and he's probably dead by the time the show.
43:19 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But just saying if Demis shows up, he's from the comics.
43:22 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But really it's about, you know, mall put together what's called the shadow collective,
43:30 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Crime syndicates, although there's slightly different like the membership changes, but includes, we talked about the death watch, the Mandalorian Radical Group, Black Sun, and especially Crimson Dawn, our malls to core.
43:46 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_00]: crime groups, we admit obviously in many other places the hot clan and the pikes indicate the pikes are the fishy looking ones in the masks.
43:55 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right?
43:56 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And the crimson dawn was the one that was featured in solo, right?
44:01 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
44:01 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So see in solo that malls produce, and this is expanded enormously in the comics.
44:08 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The most produce, Jay and air to this crime syndicate is Kira.
44:12 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So we see that in solo that starts before that.
44:16 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
44:16 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that in what's your name?
44:17 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we let it walk up?
44:18 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
44:19 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:20 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And it also goes to, like, she continues to be a crime-lord into three ABY.
44:27 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So, like, 20 years after this in a Star Wars outlaw game.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
44:32 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: got it.
44:33 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, most story though, he doesn't make it that far.
44:36 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He, he's, in fellows we say, but then he is killed by Obi-Wan, finally in rebels, but it's a really, it's, yeah, if you aren't familiar, at least watch the scene on YouTube because it is like these two men who hated each other so much finally at the end, they come to some sort of understanding and mall is just done.
44:57 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that's way in the future though.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, he's still very, very much hates Obi-Wan as Thomas saying.
45:04 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
45:05 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
45:07 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you for all of that research hugely helpful and I'm excited to...
45:13 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in my heart.
45:15 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just one of the stuff you're had.
45:17 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It takes up the names of the shout-out collected.
45:19 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for conducting your memory for us.
45:21 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
45:22 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll get com-links from you as the sees goes.
45:26 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And any time you want to obviously be your show too.
45:29 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So whenever you feel like you need to be on, you are going to be there.
45:35 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: John, anything else from you on this?
45:37 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just pumped.
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to be a great season.
45:39 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The animation set is more of a sec.
45:41 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it looks great.
45:43 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry you haven't seen the trailer, but like it's fine.
45:46 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not watching it.
45:47 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm coming in cold fair.
45:50 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
45:51 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry that we told you about it.
45:53 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's fine.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.
45:54 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't want I want to see it for the first time.
45:57 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
45:57 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to see it about it.
45:58 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, I don't want to say anymore, but like some of the.
46:02 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there's going to be fighting in a trailer, right, to get you excited, and I was just really impressed with the animation of the fight teams and how they were doing it, so I'm really excited to see that because I really enjoyed that batch.
46:15 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It was still sort of a 12-year-old kid sort of show in some ways, and this feels like it's pushing that next level of, you know, Star Wars, my night kind of stuff, and I'm super psyched for that.
46:30 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if they're going to sell a shitload of action figures from this, don't don't worry about them fair enough.
46:34 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can, the Lego production lines are probably kicking off, it's true.
46:43 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, let's get out here.
46:44 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else that we want to touch based on for Laura Hound's network or anything like that?
46:47 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we covered most of it already.
46:49 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So we can just, I'm going to shout out the server boosters and then John, if you want to do the lore masters, and we'll just say, we just did a bunch of server maintenance.
46:59 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We cleaned up our channels.
47:01 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_01]: we added some additional server flare.
47:04 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a great new server tag that you can add for yourself.
47:08 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll put a note in the in the discord to show folks how to do that.
47:13 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you see a little L, H, N, D after our names, that's the server tag.
47:18 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like wearing a pin, you know, around the discord.
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47:47 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we want to say by the way that we have a voting open for subscribers like Laura Masters.
47:55 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: for the 11G's movie, mm-hmm.
47:59 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, the Rob Reiner film festival.
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48:07 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't looked in the day or two, so.
48:08 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have very close to each other.
48:11 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The two I expected when Harry met Sally and Missouri, but then also North is doing surprisingly well.
48:18 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we got them with the pink bunny suit.
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48:25 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's it's really like neck and neck.
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