David, John, and Marilyn recap Season 3, Episode 1 of The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power on Prime Video. They discuss the changing battle lines in the war with Sauron, the corruption of men, and the brewing tensions among dwarves.
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00:20 --> 00:22 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome to the Rings of Power Podcast.
00:22 --> 00:25 [UNKNOWN]: We're the Lorhounds your guides to Tolkien's World of Middle-earth.
00:26 --> 00:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm John, your host, and with me are my fellow Lorhounds David and Marilyn, our favorite Tolkien scholar.
00:32 --> 00:41 [UNKNOWN]: This is our coverage for the first episode of Prime Video's original series, The Lord of the Rings, The Rings of Power, Season 3, Episode 1, Model Nook.
00:42 --> 00:51 [UNKNOWN]: In the podcast, we're going to start off with our hot takes, and then we will get into a detailed scene by scene breakdown of the episode.
00:52 --> 01:04 [UNKNOWN]: If you'd like to contact us send emails to LOTR at thelorhounds.com and if you want to join our Discord or support community by subscribing with either Supercaster Patreon, check out the link tree in the show notes below.
01:05 --> 01:11 [UNKNOWN]: And we're going to be running a season pass like we have in the years before and we'll have more details about that just right after our hot takes.
01:13 --> 01:15 [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's get right into those hot takes.
01:15 --> 01:17 [UNKNOWN]: We've got their sizzling.
01:17 --> 01:19 [UNKNOWN]: You can cure them in the fires of Mount Doom.
01:23 --> 01:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm so chuffed, I mean, I'm still vibrating because I finished watching the first episode for the first time about half an hour.
01:32 --> 01:40 [UNKNOWN]: I think the series has gone from two dimensions to three, and the visuals, the plotlines, the sets, the costumes, the whole nine yards.
01:40 --> 01:41 [UNKNOWN]: I just think it's great.
01:41 --> 01:43 [UNKNOWN]: There's wonderful dialogue.
01:44 --> 01:45 [UNKNOWN]: The one liners are back.
01:46 --> 02:01 [UNKNOWN]: And so many questions being opened up just in this first episode that I finally have a sense from at least the show perspective, why they decided to drop four episodes on the first day, though God bless them because we podcasts are so hard.
02:01 --> 02:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's really crazy for them.
02:02 --> 02:03 [UNKNOWN]: I'll never forget.
02:04 --> 02:06 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's up to you, John, if you want to carry that.
02:08 --> 02:09 [UNKNOWN]: What about you, David?
02:10 --> 02:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it is good to be back in the land of Middle Earth.
02:14 --> 02:16 [UNKNOWN]: So it's good to be back with you, too, as well.
02:16 --> 02:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:16 --> 02:19 [UNKNOWN]: And a minute since we have all three gotten to podcast together.
02:19 --> 02:24 [UNKNOWN]: And it was quite the cavalcade to get us all here together on this day.
02:24 --> 02:29 [UNKNOWN]: And at this time, and in this place, and I'm really glad that I enjoyed the episode.
02:29 --> 02:30 [UNKNOWN]: Because
02:31 --> 02:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's been, I've been a little bit nervous coming out of season two and having a little bit of mixed feelings, there's a lot I liked about last season, but I felt this was an awesome way to start up with the new season.
02:46 --> 02:48 [UNKNOWN]: I think one of the best things that they did.
02:49 --> 02:58 [UNKNOWN]: was they balanced so much deep lore with having an accessible show for people who are not knowledgeable about some of the deeper lore.
02:59 --> 03:07 [UNKNOWN]: And being somebody who's only at a slightly below surface depth, I could see things down and I was like, oh, I know something about that.
03:07 --> 03:08 [UNKNOWN]: And I know something about that.
03:08 --> 03:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what those things are, but I know that those things are things.
03:12 --> 03:18 [UNKNOWN]: But so I felt like, oh, wow, this is really cool because I know that we're gonna have a great conversation about so many interesting lore topics.
03:18 --> 03:22 [UNKNOWN]: This episode was absolutely dense packed with stuff.
03:23 --> 03:26 [UNKNOWN]: The maddically, I think they're setting up some really cool stuff.
03:26 --> 03:33 [UNKNOWN]: There's a bunch of stuff about connection versus control, that conversation with Keller Brimboar and Sauron.
03:33 --> 03:38 [UNKNOWN]: I think is a real standout conversation when Sauron's talking to the ghost of,
03:39 --> 03:46 [UNKNOWN]: Caleb Brimbore, obviously we are, are we spoiler-free at this point, or we, let's do, let's do spoilers for the episode.
03:46 --> 03:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, people are binging this.
03:48 --> 03:50 [UNKNOWN]: I think we can just go past this.
03:50 --> 03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Let's go full spoilers for episode one.
03:52 --> 03:54 [UNKNOWN]: Now we're not, we haven't watched episodes two through four.
03:55 --> 03:56 [UNKNOWN]: We're not going to do anything with that.
03:56 --> 04:00 [UNKNOWN]: So you can watch episode one, listen to us, we'll be fine.
04:01 --> 04:03 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to do these as individual breakdowns.
04:03 --> 04:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so yeah,
04:07 --> 04:16 [UNKNOWN]: There's some great stuff too about sort of the scene and unseen worlds, both the supernatural, but also interior emotionality.
04:16 --> 04:25 [UNKNOWN]: They are really setting up some cool stuff with Gladriel and with our on-deer and some of the other characters about stuff that they're dealing with.
04:26 --> 04:35 [UNKNOWN]: in isolation inside of themselves, but then there's also the unseen world, the supernatural world, which they played around a lot with seasons one and two.
04:36 --> 04:44 [UNKNOWN]: Some great political topics to discuss as well, neutrality, isolationism, and I think this all ties back into Tolkien's war experience.
04:45 --> 04:49 [UNKNOWN]: conversations about, you know, do we, do we stay out of it?
04:49 --> 04:50 [UNKNOWN]: Or do we get involved?
04:50 --> 04:58 [UNKNOWN]: And then there's stuff about, you know, an ally secretly supplying weapons to another faction and all this is a really great political genetics.
04:59 --> 05:02 [UNKNOWN]: And let's not forget this episode and we're recording the day of premiere.
05:02 --> 05:07 [UNKNOWN]: This episode is dropping on armistice day, what we call armistice day we call it in the United States veterans day.
05:09 --> 05:17 [UNKNOWN]: This is the day that celebrates the end of the war that Tolkien fought in and inspired much of his lore, which is his world, so and I don't think that's an accident.
05:17 --> 05:22 [UNKNOWN]: I do think this was an on-purpose decision that the show runners pushed Amazon to do.
05:23 --> 05:25 [UNKNOWN]: I would agree with you on that, John.
05:26 --> 05:30 [UNKNOWN]: Or if it wasn't then there was still something in the air that moved them in that direction.
05:31 --> 05:37 [UNKNOWN]: It had nothing to do with the NFL season coming up for us on well look and they're remote worries.
05:37 --> 05:51 [UNKNOWN]: But I like to think I want to have the hope that this was an intense decision because this is the season that is clearly about war this season or they want to do drop it on the war that inspired this on the end of the war that inspired this war.
05:52 --> 06:01 [UNKNOWN]: And join us need an eye to talk about Godzilla minus zero because that's also was released on a very auspicious day in Japanese culture and history.
06:01 --> 06:02 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, interesting.
06:02 --> 06:09 [UNKNOWN]: And so there's some great conversations too between Godzilla and this slightly in an interesting way.
06:09 --> 06:14 [UNKNOWN]: But Marilyn, there's also some great pressure parallels to in Godzilla minus zero.
06:14 --> 06:14 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
06:14 --> 06:15 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
06:15 --> 06:17 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I agree with John.
06:18 --> 06:22 [UNKNOWN]: There is so much about war weariness, just in this first episode.
06:23 --> 06:30 [UNKNOWN]: And I think maybe people who are unhappy with depiction of Galadriel that we've had for the first two seasons.
06:31 --> 06:36 [UNKNOWN]: They'll finally get a sense of, okay, this is a warrior who's been fighting for over a thousand years.
06:38 --> 06:41 [UNKNOWN]: And on the one hand, feeling is the war ever over.
06:42 --> 06:45 [UNKNOWN]: And on the other hand, feeling when will the war ever be over?
06:47 --> 06:49 [UNKNOWN]: plus her intense loneliness.
06:49 --> 06:50 [UNKNOWN]: We hear about this in this very first day.
06:50 --> 06:53 [UNKNOWN]: That's such a great sub story that we're going to get into there.
06:53 --> 06:55 [UNKNOWN]: I think I'm very excited for that.
06:55 --> 06:55 [UNKNOWN]: Several.
06:56 --> 07:03 [UNKNOWN]: another big theme that obviously we we see and we've talked about a lot in the past is evil sewing the seeds of its own destruction.
07:03 --> 07:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a real nice thing right there.
07:07 --> 07:11 [UNKNOWN]: We need to see how they play out with that a little bit more across the season.
07:11 --> 07:12 [UNKNOWN]: So that'll be cool.
07:12 --> 07:21 [UNKNOWN]: From a story telling standpoint, the opening cold open thing gives us a great dramatic stakes and a kind of clock.
07:22 --> 07:33 [UNKNOWN]: All right, we know what Salron's trying to do and we have a season, you know, at some point in the season, we know that it's going to happen, so it creates a kind of pressure for the season to move forward with.
07:33 --> 07:37 [UNKNOWN]: So I thought that was a very smart storytelling device.
07:38 --> 07:50 [UNKNOWN]: There's some goofy choreography and the fight scenes that bothered me a little bit, but I have to recalibrate my own reactions to some of this material and not judge fantasy combat, based on medieval simulation.
07:50 --> 07:52 [UNKNOWN]: So I have to get over that.
07:52 --> 07:57 [UNKNOWN]: That's me, but I was really moved by a bunch of stuff that we saw and I really was really moved by a
08:00 --> 08:06 [UNKNOWN]: working in concert with each other, and some of the other stuff was just really great.
08:06 --> 08:10 [UNKNOWN]: So I just have to remember this is a fantasy story, so it's only fine.
08:10 --> 08:11 [UNKNOWN]: They're not human entities.
08:12 --> 08:13 [UNKNOWN]: A son way, a son way.
08:14 --> 08:23 [UNKNOWN]: And the ability of elves to communicate my right, which helps a lot when you're trying to combine dual combat.
08:24 --> 08:33 [UNKNOWN]: So this again, where the show runners are really conversant in the lore, and they can fold that stuff in because there's a scene where gladrial and or on dear.
08:34 --> 08:39 [UNKNOWN]: There's like a specific a couple of specific combat actions they take that are perfectly timed with each other.
08:44 --> 08:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I think that's what it has to be.
08:46 --> 08:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's also like these elves have had how many centuries to perfect these tactics.
08:51 --> 08:53 [UNKNOWN]: At some point, you're going to get pretty good at dancing.
08:54 --> 08:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure.
08:56 --> 09:18 [UNKNOWN]: Visually, lots to consume here, lots of jacksonian stylings of some scenes, and some other scenes as well, there's some nice homages and I don't know if their intentional homages are not, but really great, and obviously the production quality sets costumes, all of this stuff is looking beautiful, and just lots of beautiful images to look at.
09:24 --> 09:32 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, from what we saw in seasons one and two, I think season three is going to be as rich if not richer visually, and I'm really excited for that.
09:32 --> 09:33 [UNKNOWN]: So, John, over to you.
09:34 --> 09:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I came in with mixed expectations because I did really enjoy the majority of season two and the ending of season two kind of little bit of a sour taste in my mouth because there were so many like,
09:47 --> 09:50 [UNKNOWN]: cheesy moments like Grand Elf Gandalf, whatever.
09:50 --> 09:54 [UNKNOWN]: I'm still a little like how does Sauron now call him Gandalf?
09:54 --> 09:55 [UNKNOWN]: That's a big question.
09:55 --> 09:57 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a huge question for me too.
09:58 --> 09:59 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think there's a good answer to it.
09:59 --> 10:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'll be honest with you.
10:00 --> 10:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think this is going to be just a hey, we need people to remember who this character is, so we're going to have characters use consistent language.
10:08 --> 10:10 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's Sauron's heart is as big as his feet, so
10:12 --> 10:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to scream.
10:14 --> 10:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to scream.
10:16 --> 10:17 [UNKNOWN]: No, but more practical level.
10:17 --> 10:21 [UNKNOWN]: I think probably, saw it on his already had his spies out in room.
10:22 --> 10:22 [UNKNOWN]: So.
10:22 --> 10:25 [UNKNOWN]: But didn't he say they're going to call me Gandalf.
10:25 --> 10:29 [UNKNOWN]: That means like over time the language will evolve and they'll drop the R's.
10:29 --> 10:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's been five years.
10:30 --> 10:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's been five years.
10:31 --> 10:32 [UNKNOWN]: Five years is enough.
10:32 --> 10:33 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
10:33 --> 10:33 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
10:33 --> 10:34 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't know.
10:34 --> 10:36 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, all we saw was.
10:36 --> 10:39 [UNKNOWN]: We had to fight a war to get rid of our freaking
10:41 --> 10:49 [UNKNOWN]: All we found out in the end of season two was that Gandalf said to Tom Bombadil, they will call me Gandalf.
10:50 --> 10:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
10:50 --> 10:52 [UNKNOWN]: So now five years on, that's what they're calling them.
10:53 --> 11:01 [UNKNOWN]: Well, again, a great hook for us to think of, you know, what kind of deeper lore have they nestled in here?
11:01 --> 11:02 [UNKNOWN]: Is that something that we can
11:04 --> 11:05 [UNKNOWN]: Investigate and examine later on.
11:05 --> 11:07 [UNKNOWN]: Is that something they're laying track for us for?
11:07 --> 11:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let me let me not linger on this because I I want to say like first of all No, I don't think that's a deeper lore thing.
11:14 --> 11:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think they're just doing it for convenience Okay, I'm willing to overlook that because the episode was so great in so many ways and had so many Amazing sections like I had no expectation for that dwarven section that was the delightful surprise.
11:28 --> 11:29 [UNKNOWN]: What's that amazing?
11:30 --> 11:33 [UNKNOWN]: It was amazing and bearded female dwarves.
11:33 --> 11:40 [UNKNOWN]: I am so happy because we were clamoring for it And a lot of people thought they chickened out with Disa's design.
11:41 --> 11:47 [UNKNOWN]: They didn't make her beardy enough But I Love that they did it and they kind of poked fun at themselves for it.
11:48 --> 11:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah I'm in there anyway, and I don't think it's fake.
11:53 --> 11:53 [UNKNOWN]: I have faith.
11:54 --> 11:55 [UNKNOWN]: I have faith in Freya
11:56 --> 12:14 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, just the dialogue has been much sharper this episode, you know, between having the the killer Brimbor section where his, you know, what I like to think that's just Sauron's own self-doubt mocking him 100% actually.
12:14 --> 12:15 [UNKNOWN]: Of course it is.
12:15 --> 12:16 [UNKNOWN]: How does it?
12:16 --> 12:16 [UNKNOWN]: No, I said it.
12:16 --> 12:23 [UNKNOWN]: But dialogue was just so sharp and so pointed, the dialogue between,
12:24 --> 12:28 [UNKNOWN]: the other characters, especially the elves, because we're with the elves most of this episode.
12:29 --> 12:37 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was great, and it is really a departure from the Netflix model of describe everything you're doing so that people can look at their phones.
12:38 --> 12:40 [UNKNOWN]: This show requires you to pay attention, and I like that.
12:40 --> 12:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, indeed.
12:42 --> 12:45 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, the visual spectacle, this whole thing, is just fantastic.
12:45 --> 12:47 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't need to go on about that.
12:47 --> 12:49 [UNKNOWN]: That's just part of what's baked in here.
12:54 --> 12:58 [UNKNOWN]: You know, around season three, sometimes season two, shows find themselves.
12:58 --> 12:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
12:59 --> 13:09 [UNKNOWN]: And they give a second stage booster that gets really elevated in Wayne Studios, cut themselves off at the knees by not following through on multiple seasons.
13:09 --> 13:14 [UNKNOWN]: You know, you're really depriving yourselves of good content for your library, long term.
13:15 --> 13:19 [UNKNOWN]: And, of course, we're no longer struggling with the effects of coconut just they were in one.
13:20 --> 13:22 [UNKNOWN]: So that... No, we're just a fake.
13:22 --> 13:26 [UNKNOWN]: We're just dealing with mega mergers and the... Oh.
13:26 --> 13:30 [UNKNOWN]: Well, Amazon seems to be not part of that kind of merger right now.
13:30 --> 13:31 [UNKNOWN]: So a lot of MGM.
13:31 --> 13:32 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, whatever.
13:32 --> 13:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that is podcast.
13:33 --> 13:34 [UNKNOWN]: You know what?
13:34 --> 13:37 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Amazon, for producing the show.
13:37 --> 13:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
13:38 --> 13:38 [UNKNOWN]: Where?
13:38 --> 13:40 [UNKNOWN]: Look, I'm having a great time.
13:40 --> 13:46 [UNKNOWN]: I think we have plenty to talk about, so I say, let's get into housekeeping, so we can get through this episode, because I want to talk about the meat of it.
13:47 --> 13:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, absolutely, without the quail sauce.
13:50 --> 13:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, so as you've already heard, and I'm sure no, there's a very funky, really schedule going on for this season.
13:57 --> 14:05 [UNKNOWN]: As of recording today, November 11, all for the first four episodes have dropped, so knock yourselves out folks.
14:05 --> 14:07 [UNKNOWN]: Don't expect us to do that, okay?
14:08 --> 14:12 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to do one episode at the time, and the schedule will be funky.
14:13 --> 14:17 [UNKNOWN]: episode five and six will drop on November 18th, which is the follow-up Wednesday.
14:18 --> 14:22 [UNKNOWN]: And then, on Thanksgiving Eve, episode seven and eight will drop November 25th.
14:23 --> 14:26 [UNKNOWN]: So we're, you know, like Maryland said, we're going to be taking it at our own pace.
14:27 --> 14:37 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to be, because we don't want to be sloppy and condensing things to the point of unrecognizability, we're going to be diving deeper into these episodes and really dissecting them.
14:37 --> 14:38 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
14:38 --> 14:41 [UNKNOWN]: And this show is our origin story.
14:42 --> 14:49 [UNKNOWN]: And even for Maryland's meeting Maryland, who wrote in to explain to us what a Barovian was.
14:50 --> 15:01 [UNKNOWN]: And I think it would be a disservice to ourselves into the community that we partake in to not do full episode one for one episodes through the season.
15:01 --> 15:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
15:01 --> 15:02 [UNKNOWN]: This is who we are.
15:02 --> 15:03 [UNKNOWN]: This is what we do.
15:03 --> 15:07 [UNKNOWN]: And if the release schedule is a little funky, and a little incoherent, so be it.
15:07 --> 15:15 [UNKNOWN]: I think the people who are watching the show and who are part of this community and are interested in this are going to be just fine with having the episodes out when they're out.
15:16 --> 15:17 [UNKNOWN]: I agree, David.
15:17 --> 15:21 [UNKNOWN]: And if all the other episodes are going to be like this for us, it would be impossible.
15:23 --> 15:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it will not, I mean, it will not lend itself to a fast I'll quick skim over it.
15:31 --> 15:35 [UNKNOWN]: No, or compressed episode like doing like a double place.
15:35 --> 15:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
15:37 --> 15:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and you know, honestly, it gives me an opportunity to work on our show guide.
15:43 --> 15:51 [UNKNOWN]: Which is a really great benefit that we've put together that we did for season two and We're going into season three for it.
15:51 --> 16:01 [UNKNOWN]: That is only for our Patron Supercast subscribers and our season pass holders Show guide is a visual spectacle where you have you know I'm just gonna I'm gonna brag about it because it's really nice show guide
16:02 --> 16:08 [UNKNOWN]: you can you can click into characters whether they are in the show on screen or they are just reference.
16:08 --> 16:10 [UNKNOWN]: We have entries for them.
16:10 --> 16:12 [UNKNOWN]: You can see what faction there and you can see there.
16:13 --> 16:16 [UNKNOWN]: They're sub-faction depending on like if they're new minority and but they're King's
16:17 --> 16:39 [UNKNOWN]: or their faithful you can see what wine of elves are from if they're an elf you can see where they're located what artifacts they have in their possession and you can see descriptions of geography it's a really it's you know it's just a great thing to do and it wasn't just me this was Nancy helped out here we had Aaron helping out
16:40 --> 16:41 [UNKNOWN]: We had David you worked on it.
16:42 --> 16:56 [UNKNOWN]: It's it's a team effort and I'm proud of it And so we're doing full recaps of every episode for seasons two and three But season two is obviously done season three has the first episode out line now in it It has pictures of the various scenes.
16:57 --> 17:07 [UNKNOWN]: It has full descriptions linked to the characters and places that we're talking about So a little lore callouts that now that are very cool little little lore callouts That's a that's a new feature in season three.
17:07 --> 17:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yep
17:08 --> 17:28 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm excited for it, and like I mentioned, to get that, you'll need to sign up for either our paid CPatreon or Supercast subscription, which is a monthly subscription, or you could do a one-time season pass, which is a pretty sweet deal, 10 bucks, and you have this full season and previous seasons of ad free episodes of the show guide and bonus lorecast.
17:29 --> 17:31 [UNKNOWN]: as well as rings and rich was thrown in rings and rituals.
17:31 --> 17:34 [UNKNOWN]: They sound like a carnival barker here.
17:34 --> 17:36 [UNKNOWN]: And you get steak knives.
17:37 --> 17:42 [UNKNOWN]: Rings and rituals, Marilyn, you just completed season two with Dr. Sarah Brown.
17:42 --> 17:43 [UNKNOWN]: You guys had a lot of fun.
17:43 --> 17:44 [UNKNOWN]: It sounds like on that season.
17:44 --> 17:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not fully caught up, but it sounds like you guys really leaned into it and had a lot of good time.
17:50 --> 17:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it just expanded out so much because we've already found our flow in 61.
17:56 --> 17:59 [UNKNOWN]: And we know each other fairly well, at least virtually.
18:00 --> 18:04 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, three seasons, or set two seasons, and you're really into it now, right?
18:04 --> 18:05 [UNKNOWN]: Six seasons, and we...
18:05 --> 18:05 [UNKNOWN]: There we go.
18:05 --> 18:07 [UNKNOWN]: There you go.
18:08 --> 18:09 [UNKNOWN]: So yes, it's been fun.
18:09 --> 18:16 [UNKNOWN]: The more I look, the more I see, and I think that's why I'm becoming more and more enthusiastic because I'm willing to take the show on its own merits.
18:17 --> 18:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
18:17 --> 18:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to get into the whole polking didn't say this.
18:21 --> 18:32 [UNKNOWN]: Tolkien said that kind of stuff because, frankly, if you do have all 10 volumes of the history of Middle Earth on the shelf, you'll know that Tolkien said a lot of stuff about the same thing over the course of 60 years.
18:33 --> 18:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
18:34 --> 18:35 [UNKNOWN]: You need the index.
18:35 --> 18:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm holding my index which is a thick book that is just the index to the rest of the history of Middle Earth.
18:41 --> 18:42 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
18:42 --> 18:45 [UNKNOWN]: And very rich and rewarding if you take the time to dive into it.
18:46 --> 18:49 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, the season pass is a great deal.
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19:04 --> 19:11 [UNKNOWN]: Also in the show notes are links to everything else, the community discord, all of our other affiliates.
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19:14 --> 19:36 [UNKNOWN]: our email address and all that stuff is in there, but on the Discord, if you want to join the conversation and you're invited to do so, we have a whole section set up just for rings a power and every single episode of this season has its own little channel so you can be in that channel without having to worry about being spoiled about upcoming episodes.
19:37 --> 19:44 [UNKNOWN]: and folks are already in there chatting, people have been counting down the hours to watch the show and so the conversations are already rolling there.
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20:00 --> 20:01 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
20:01 --> 20:02 [UNKNOWN]: Plenty of stuff going on.
20:02 --> 20:04 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's enough salesmanship for today.
20:04 --> 20:05 [UNKNOWN]: Indeed.
20:05 --> 20:06 [UNKNOWN]: Let's get into the episode.
20:06 --> 20:09 [UNKNOWN]: But first, let's take a break.
20:32 --> 20:35 [UNKNOWN]: The war of the last alliance is beginning.
20:35 --> 20:40 [UNKNOWN]: Five years after season two, the elves remain at war with the Dark Lord, Sauron.
20:41 --> 20:44 [UNKNOWN]: Only Lyndon and Rivendell remain.
20:44 --> 20:50 [UNKNOWN]: Sauron is held back by the three Elven Rings, but has rings of his own.
20:50 --> 20:54 [UNKNOWN]: While the dwarves resist him, Numenor and Rune remain in play.
20:56 --> 20:57 [UNKNOWN]: So we've got some stage setting here.
20:58 --> 20:59 [UNKNOWN]: We've got some maps.
21:02 --> 21:11 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's a direct quote from the man himself, Tolkien wrote to an letter, I wisely started with a man.
21:12 --> 21:26 [UNKNOWN]: Because you get the overall sense, you understand the distances, you see where the different players are laid, and it's always very helpful to see exactly what the geography of
21:28 --> 21:48 [UNKNOWN]: for a man who got derailed by moon phases and had to go back and read through you know for him starting with a map I think is a smart play I know some other writers who were like don't do never put out a map because then you're instantly locked in and you can never bend or twist anything I think the black company guy was very famous for so
21:49 --> 21:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's true if you haven't been planning this whole world for a decade or two in advance.
21:55 --> 21:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just a different strategy.
21:56 --> 21:59 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not an argument for one or the other.
22:00 --> 22:06 [UNKNOWN]: I really liked having them happen this episode too as a reorientation and an understanding.
22:06 --> 22:09 [UNKNOWN]: Because there's a whole chunk of content that's on here that was that's not there later.
22:09 --> 22:10 [UNKNOWN]: Is that right?
22:10 --> 22:11 [UNKNOWN]: No, you're not.
22:11 --> 22:13 [UNKNOWN]: That's hilarious.
22:13 --> 22:13 [UNKNOWN]: That was in the past.
22:13 --> 22:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
22:14 --> 22:15 [UNKNOWN]: That was the first thousand years.
22:15 --> 22:17 [UNKNOWN]: We're now in the second thousand years.
22:21 --> 22:38 [UNKNOWN]: And but it's it was nice to understand what's going on and how it's actually working and I thought they yeah it was just a really great shorthand it was a great story telling tool shorthand to get us up to speed and to what the state of play is.
22:38 --> 22:42 [UNKNOWN]: And again, I actually think that this hearts back to Tolkien's history because.
22:43 --> 22:45 [UNKNOWN]: World War I, maps were essential.
22:46 --> 22:48 [UNKNOWN]: He had to rely on maps to survive.
22:48 --> 22:53 [UNKNOWN]: Battles are planned on maps, you know, all of the terrain and all the other things we've been talking about.
22:53 --> 22:58 [UNKNOWN]: So I think this sunk very much into his own storytelling fiber, he will.
22:58 --> 22:59 [UNKNOWN]: That makes sense.
23:00 --> 23:04 [UNKNOWN]: But of course, we have to follow the map down into the land of Morgduara.
23:05 --> 23:06 [UNKNOWN]: Where the shadows lie.
23:07 --> 23:11 [UNKNOWN]: With the help of his orcs, Sauron attempts to forge a new ring.
23:11 --> 23:15 [UNKNOWN]: He tested on an orc who is set ablaze by its power, even with his hand in water.
23:17 --> 23:23 [UNKNOWN]: Sauron crushes his failed experiment and demands his orcs locate the three elven rings Nenia, Vilja, and Narya.
23:24 --> 23:26 [UNKNOWN]: At the very least, he needs one.
23:26 --> 23:33 [UNKNOWN]: The orc, Marnuk, points out that when Oregian fell, its records were lost, and the elven
23:36 --> 23:41 [UNKNOWN]: Saran insists the orc find the rings and become the orc who won all wars.
23:41 --> 23:44 [UNKNOWN]: I love this.
23:44 --> 23:45 [UNKNOWN]: I love this seed where he's like, hmm, this ring feels great.
23:45 --> 23:46 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm on fire.
23:46 --> 23:54 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
23:55 --> 24:14 [UNKNOWN]: And the fact that it's a failed ring, like we're like, oh my gosh, he's going to, you know, they're opening with, you know, the actual one ring is like, nope, and now we have a framework, we have a pacing and a pressure to understand the rest of the series.
24:14 --> 24:16 [UNKNOWN]: So it's a really good storytelling device.
24:16 --> 24:22 [UNKNOWN]: And then some kind of comedy, like it was nice, there's definitely some notes of comedy in this.
24:22 --> 24:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, episode in that, as we know, just leavens that what is sometimes dry and heavy material.
24:28 --> 24:31 [UNKNOWN]: So it was kind of funny to see him running around.
24:31 --> 24:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's great storytelling that they have these two sides trying to all gain an edge.
24:37 --> 24:41 [UNKNOWN]: Right, Sauron is like, we're in, they're both in a stalemate, right?
24:41 --> 24:44 [UNKNOWN]: And Sauron says, I need more individual power.
24:45 --> 24:45 [UNKNOWN]: to get my edge.
24:46 --> 24:48 [UNKNOWN]: I need this one ring to control the others.
24:49 --> 24:51 [UNKNOWN]: And that's power over, as Marilyn would say.
24:52 --> 25:00 [UNKNOWN]: And then the elves are saying, well, at least Galadriel is saying, we need power with, we need our allies if we're ever going to defeat this power.
25:01 --> 25:09 [UNKNOWN]: And that is, I think the fundamental difference here between the two sides, but we have the dramatic tension of both sides trying to gain that little edge over the other side.
25:11 --> 25:16 [UNKNOWN]: Well, when you're in the midst of war, then power over's about the only kind of power you can understand.
25:17 --> 25:20 [UNKNOWN]: Well, but extra collagerials, not suggesting that, right?
25:20 --> 25:21 [UNKNOWN]: Collagerials, not saying that.
25:21 --> 25:21 [UNKNOWN]: But that's my point.
25:21 --> 25:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:21 --> 25:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:22 --> 25:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:22 --> 25:24 [UNKNOWN]: She's saying, let's contact Muriel.
25:25 --> 25:27 [UNKNOWN]: And I want, like, Muriel lean at the home anymore.
25:27 --> 25:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:28 --> 25:29 [UNKNOWN]: Big problems over here.
25:30 --> 25:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
25:31 --> 25:36 [UNKNOWN]: So we've got this new work character, Marnook.
25:36 --> 25:38 [UNKNOWN]: Is that how his name is pronounced?
25:38 --> 25:39 [UNKNOWN]: Marnook.
25:39 --> 25:40 [UNKNOWN]: Marnook, yes.
25:40 --> 25:46 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the episode is titled for him and he shows up later.
25:47 --> 25:51 [UNKNOWN]: And we get the tie-in with...
25:53 --> 25:56 [UNKNOWN]: Gil Gallaud, and what's his name, Kierdham?
25:56 --> 26:00 [UNKNOWN]: Kierdham, thank you, who see the vision in their rings.
26:00 --> 26:04 [UNKNOWN]: So, who is modern-looking and what role is you going to play?
26:04 --> 26:13 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, he's getting set up for some significant storytelling, being a pivotal character in the story this year.
26:14 --> 26:18 [UNKNOWN]: Right, somehow he's being seen by all the oven ring bears, yeah, or at least two of them.
26:18 --> 26:20 [UNKNOWN]: I guess a lot of children didn't mention him.
26:21 --> 26:23 [UNKNOWN]: And then he's showing up.
26:23 --> 26:25 [UNKNOWN]: That was him with the adorbs later, wasn't he?
26:25 --> 26:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was him.
26:26 --> 26:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:28 --> 26:30 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, I have a little bit of work blindness.
26:30 --> 26:31 [UNKNOWN]: I might do it.
26:31 --> 26:33 [UNKNOWN]: Is that the same work with these prosthetics?
26:35 --> 26:39 [UNKNOWN]: That it was interesting to have Gil Gallaud set up what I think is going to be a
26:43 --> 26:51 [UNKNOWN]: Certainly this entire, yeah, this entire season is going to be to our benefit or to our detriment.
26:51 --> 26:51 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
26:52 --> 26:58 [UNKNOWN]: Because the rings only show you things of importance of an athlete and you have to interpret what that means.
26:58 --> 27:05 [UNKNOWN]: And we're going to have another movie later this year with Dune 3, where Presience plays a sort of a key role.
27:05 --> 27:07 [UNKNOWN]: And at least in Dune.
27:11 --> 27:29 [UNKNOWN]: Where, you know, there in that construct, he can see possibility and potential and in other things, I think, where else were we were in House of the Dragons season 3 with the Sears, they can see visions in their dreams.
27:30 --> 27:48 [UNKNOWN]: But then, again, those are some of them are prophetic, and some of them are more allegorical, like you could say, or indicative of a not of an exact future, but of a kind of situation, our circumstantial future, and taken out a context.
27:49 --> 27:53 [UNKNOWN]: you don't know what it means, and you don't know if it's influential or not, influential?
27:53 --> 28:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, this is classic handling of seers and proceeding and crystal balls and all the other stuff where you're trying just really to find out what's going to happen.
28:02 --> 28:03 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
28:03 --> 28:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm also thinking of Wheel of Time, or did you mention that already?
28:06 --> 28:06 [UNKNOWN]: I did not.
28:06 --> 28:14 [UNKNOWN]: OK, because John can speak to this far more eloquently than I ever put, but in effect, prophecy is everywhere.
28:19 --> 28:39 [UNKNOWN]: How do you interpret a question, right, and that is any anybody who has ever done any kind of Strology terror reading whatever kind of predictive materials you're using The interpretation is so important and we've already been seeing this on the way that they've been using the Palantir or you know
28:41 --> 28:57 [UNKNOWN]: take it as red, this is not how it was initially in token, but in the series they're using it basically like the tradition of crystal ball and you see things but you don't necessarily know what they mean and how are you supposed to, you know, taking your direction from them.
28:58 --> 29:08 [UNKNOWN]: I mean the audience was right in that one sense to take direction from this magic ball, quote, a quote, maybe not such a great idea, but when you're afraid you reach for whatever tools you have
29:11 --> 29:15 [UNKNOWN]: Because there's one thing that humans hate, and that's not being certain.
29:15 --> 29:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, about that.
29:16 --> 29:19 [UNKNOWN]: That's really, that drives us crazy.
29:20 --> 29:22 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, it drives us crazy.
29:22 --> 29:32 [UNKNOWN]: Now one thing that I really liked about this marnu character is that I had thought after a dar we were done exploring great marlonian works.
29:33 --> 29:41 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that that was what they gave us because we've talked about in previous seasons and you guys did this excellent work episode as a lorecast lesson.
29:42 --> 29:54 [UNKNOWN]: We've talked about previous seasons how Tolkien, one of his regrets, maybe I should say it more mildly than that, but one of the things he wished he had flushed out was the morality of works.
29:54 --> 30:00 [UNKNOWN]: Can you just have these baddies that can just be torn down, or is that a problem in enough itself?
30:01 --> 30:05 [UNKNOWN]: And here we have even post-domination by Sauron.
30:06 --> 30:08 [UNKNOWN]: we have moral complexity in and orc.
30:09 --> 30:13 [UNKNOWN]: It seems like we haven't seen it yet, but I think that we're going in that direction.
30:15 --> 30:18 [UNKNOWN]: What we have seen is something that I more or less predicted would happen.
30:18 --> 30:20 [UNKNOWN]: You're not hearing the word orc anymore.
30:21 --> 30:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's done.
30:21 --> 30:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
30:22 --> 30:28 [UNKNOWN]: What is your name orc pointed to, I think, contrast with previous season?
30:28 --> 30:30 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm definitely feeling
30:33 --> 30:46 [UNKNOWN]: in this character, but the way we first see his face reminds me of occasionally the camera panning over to Gloop who is watching everything and you know the wheels are turning inside and we have no idea what direction they're turning in.
30:47 --> 30:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and what's interesting with
30:53 --> 30:53 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
30:53 --> 30:57 [UNKNOWN]: You can tell he's of of the cut of your average work.
30:57 --> 30:58 [UNKNOWN]: He made a play.
30:58 --> 31:01 [UNKNOWN]: He stood toe to toe with the great leader.
31:01 --> 31:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
31:01 --> 31:02 [UNKNOWN]: Looked him in the eye.
31:03 --> 31:19 [UNKNOWN]: They made a big point of everybody looking away going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
31:20 --> 31:40 [UNKNOWN]: stepping up into this capacity and putting myself forward and I was rewarded and now I have power and authority and now like I get something for myself that I want regardless of what those moral choices ultimately mean and and what we can say about them he's acting with agency for himself.
31:40 --> 31:44 [UNKNOWN]: And that is absolutely sad on his modusography.
31:45 --> 31:50 [UNKNOWN]: We see this when he invites, you know, the people from prune in reaching ahead here.
31:51 --> 31:55 [UNKNOWN]: And says, OK, there's five of you here, but these brings their precious.
31:55 --> 31:56 [UNKNOWN]: So only one if you can have it.
31:57 --> 32:01 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, it's, you know, Hunger Games.
32:01 --> 32:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, horrible, horrible.
32:04 --> 32:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's how it's structured too.
32:06 --> 32:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's how it's structured.
32:07 --> 32:08 [UNKNOWN]: It's power over.
32:08 --> 32:09 [UNKNOWN]: It's all of those things.
32:11 --> 32:25 [UNKNOWN]: But what I really liked about Mark Nook is that he was the one set when Saladin was saying, I want everybody to go out, fan out, look for all the records, all the ovensmiths and he says, well, we burn the records at your orders.
32:26 --> 32:27 [UNKNOWN]: He dares to say that.
32:29 --> 32:31 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's what gets settled on the tension.
32:31 --> 32:43 [UNKNOWN]: Either this dude is trouble, or this dude is more than just your average cannon fodder, maybe I should pay more attention to him, because that could cut both ways, of course, were settled on as well.
32:44 --> 33:00 [UNKNOWN]: Well that whole part is first of all what's interesting to me is that we've seen Sauron in the Lord of the Rings and other materials do this dangling of the carrot for men, right dangling of the carrot of eternal life and power and men and even for elves in the show.
33:01 --> 33:02 [UNKNOWN]: We've never seen him do that for orcs.
33:02 --> 33:04 [UNKNOWN]: It has always been the stick for orcs.
33:04 --> 33:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
33:05 --> 33:09 [UNKNOWN]: And this is the first time we see in any of these materials Sauron using the carrot for an
33:10 --> 33:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I love that, I think that that's great because it makes more sense that there is sometimes a carrot to maintain this army.
33:18 --> 33:20 [UNKNOWN]: You know, there's a reason the carrot and the stick go together.
33:21 --> 33:23 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, absolutely.
33:23 --> 33:34 [UNKNOWN]: But also, this is the scene that made me, that I thought of when you mentioned evil see, so in the scene it's seeds of its own destruction is, well, we did this at your orders, right?
33:34 --> 33:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like you are the reason we don't have this knowledge.
33:37 --> 33:39 [UNKNOWN]: You don't have to be don't have the people to do it.
33:40 --> 33:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
33:40 --> 33:41 [UNKNOWN]: You killed them.
33:41 --> 33:43 [UNKNOWN]: You've seen the scenes of your own destruction.
33:43 --> 33:47 [UNKNOWN]: You cut off the, the whole source of knowledge here out of anger.
33:48 --> 33:51 [UNKNOWN]: and another favorite Tolkien moral judgment.
33:53 --> 34:01 [UNKNOWN]: Sauron is pride, but he didn't need caliber in board anymore that he had gotten all the secrets he knew what to do and found out that he hadn't.
34:01 --> 34:02 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
34:02 --> 34:05 [UNKNOWN]: So pride definitely went before the fall.
34:06 --> 34:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes.
34:07 --> 34:09 [UNKNOWN]: And he even quotes caliber in bar here, right?
34:09 --> 34:11 [UNKNOWN]: All creation requires sacrifice.
34:12 --> 34:16 [UNKNOWN]: Remember when that line was first made, all the way back in season one?
34:18 --> 34:28 [UNKNOWN]: The creation requires sacrifice, which is what leads Galathery to give up Finra at the dagger so that they have enough me to complete the elven rings.
34:29 --> 34:35 [UNKNOWN]: But let's step back a minute and reflect on the fact that only the valour can create.
34:38 --> 34:40 [UNKNOWN]: So what are we getting in this statement?
34:41 --> 34:42 [UNKNOWN]: Subcreation.
34:42 --> 34:43 [UNKNOWN]: Let's go to subcreation.
34:43 --> 34:44 [UNKNOWN]: Come on.
34:44 --> 34:45 [UNKNOWN]: We're deep in the token lore.
34:46 --> 34:57 [UNKNOWN]: Subcreation is a possibility for sure, but there's a question mark here because, of course, sound on is all about twisting and manipulating and whatever because he can't create.
34:57 --> 34:58 [UNKNOWN]: He can't create.
34:59 --> 35:00 [UNKNOWN]: He can only ruin.
35:01 --> 35:04 [UNKNOWN]: And later, we get that line about him being broken and being missing.
35:05 --> 35:07 [UNKNOWN]: Missing, having machinery missing that he can create.
35:08 --> 35:08 [UNKNOWN]: He can establish
35:11 --> 35:11 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
35:11 --> 35:12 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
35:14 --> 35:15 [UNKNOWN]: Shall we go back in time, further?
35:16 --> 35:17 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, yeah, really quick.
35:17 --> 35:18 [UNKNOWN]: Just a couple of things.
35:18 --> 35:18 [UNKNOWN]: What was that?
35:19 --> 35:24 [UNKNOWN]: Did anybody catch the black speech that he was saying when he was incanting over the...
35:24 --> 35:26 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he starts with one ring to rule them all.
35:26 --> 35:27 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
35:27 --> 35:31 [UNKNOWN]: And then he says the rest of the ring bursts out of order through rings, the album crings.
35:32 --> 35:32 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, got it.
35:33 --> 35:34 [UNKNOWN]: Seven for the door for it.
35:34 --> 35:36 [UNKNOWN]: I love that over-hen shot.
35:36 --> 35:37 [UNKNOWN]: That was beautiful.
35:37 --> 35:41 [UNKNOWN]: That was such a cool, such an inspired piece of design and a great thing.
35:42 --> 35:46 [UNKNOWN]: There was also an eye-shaped window behind somewhere in that room as the camera pans.
35:46 --> 35:48 [UNKNOWN]: There was sort of that cool shape thing.
35:48 --> 35:50 [UNKNOWN]: It was like, well, it's barred door, right?
35:50 --> 35:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
35:50 --> 35:53 [UNKNOWN]: They eventually zoom out and then they're in barred door.
35:53 --> 35:56 [UNKNOWN]: It's in the forge, about a viewer is still a separate thing.
35:57 --> 36:17 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
36:21 --> 36:26 [UNKNOWN]: So this is another way in which the oven rings are kind of shady themselves.
36:27 --> 36:32 [UNKNOWN]: For all of them that they're doing and we're glad they're there, they feel a really important function.
36:33 --> 36:37 [UNKNOWN]: And they represent the fall of the else.
36:38 --> 36:41 [UNKNOWN]: Once they lean on that technology, yeah.
36:41 --> 36:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, even having to agree.
36:43 --> 36:48 [UNKNOWN]: The first place because in doing so, they have refused the natural order of this mortal world.
36:49 --> 36:50 [UNKNOWN]: that they are living in.
36:50 --> 36:52 [UNKNOWN]: But without the rings, they would have surely been destroyed.
36:52 --> 36:53 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
36:54 --> 36:56 [UNKNOWN]: So this is a great tie over.
36:56 --> 37:02 [UNKNOWN]: I just saw Godzilla minus 0, and obviously we're going to Nate and I're going to be podcasting about it.
37:02 --> 37:04 [UNKNOWN]: We have a three-part series on it, in fact.
37:05 --> 37:13 [UNKNOWN]: When the burned orc that had the hand out and that a shot of him, it really reminded me of some visuals that were it was in the minus 0 movie.
37:14 --> 37:16 [UNKNOWN]: about atomic bomb victims.
37:16 --> 37:25 [UNKNOWN]: And again, that story world and those movies are talking about this idea of technology and the tension between technology.
37:25 --> 37:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, we created this technology, it's led to this horrible thing.
37:28 --> 37:38 [UNKNOWN]: So now we need more technology, which is potentially leading to a more catastrophic events and the inherent tension that you get into once that dynamic has been
37:42 --> 37:46 [UNKNOWN]: cross IP conversation that's happening in the Godzilla properties in this right now.
37:46 --> 37:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, until he predicted that while he was in the trenches and saw the rise of this technology, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the first one is war.
37:58 --> 38:00 [UNKNOWN]: The Crimean War was not all that long ago.
38:00 --> 38:04 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, when does it become mechanized, you know, the Crimean War had tanks, machine guns,
38:08 --> 38:12 [UNKNOWN]: to kill a whole lot of people all at once from indiscriminately.
38:13 --> 38:13 [UNKNOWN]: Indiscriminately.
38:14 --> 38:19 [UNKNOWN]: He was horrified by airplanes and even more horrified when his son Christopher went into the RAF.
38:20 --> 38:29 [UNKNOWN]: He said, it felt like hobbits were using writing Nazgul to do bombing.
38:29 --> 38:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not bombing, guys.
38:30 --> 38:33 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, you get well, and I do have
38:34 --> 38:36 [UNKNOWN]: mixed opinions on Tolkien's let-itism.
38:36 --> 38:43 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, just because technology advancing has literally always been a part of warfare, right?
38:43 --> 38:45 [UNKNOWN]: And literally been a part of... And humanity.
38:45 --> 38:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:46 --> 38:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't want to still be living in a cave.
38:49 --> 39:05 [UNKNOWN]: Right and and Tolkien seems to think well the technology that's new while I'm here is the bad thing and like yes It the war technology did terrible things so did guns so did arrows so do you know like Like somewhere to stop something new.
39:06 --> 39:15 [UNKNOWN]: I just I do think that perhaps technology isn't the villain It's the intent behind the uses of the technology and I think that's where I kind of disagree with Tolkien on some of that stuff
39:15 --> 39:17 [UNKNOWN]: No argument here for me, John.
39:17 --> 39:19 [UNKNOWN]: I do think that told you.
39:19 --> 39:19 [UNKNOWN]: We couldn't even tell you.
39:19 --> 39:21 [UNKNOWN]: You met without some technology.
39:21 --> 39:23 [UNKNOWN]: We're in three different states here.
39:24 --> 39:25 [UNKNOWN]: No.
39:25 --> 39:30 [UNKNOWN]: I think for Tolkien, the line that he drew in the sand was face your enemy.
39:31 --> 39:33 [UNKNOWN]: You're doing that with sword.
39:33 --> 39:35 [UNKNOWN]: To some degree, you do that with arrows.
39:35 --> 39:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's more of a person to person kind of a thing.
39:39 --> 39:41 [UNKNOWN]: And agree with it or not.
39:42 --> 39:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's my understanding of where he made his own personal.
39:46 --> 39:50 [UNKNOWN]: decision about where he thought was crossing a line and going to the park.
39:50 --> 39:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that sounds like the British saying, yeah, we should stand in lines and do each other and Washington being like, I don't, I don't think about that.
39:58 --> 39:58 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
39:58 --> 39:59 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
39:59 --> 40:07 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, yeah, sorry, but I, I think Tolkien and I would fundamentally disagree on like the honor of war, you know what I mean?
40:07 --> 40:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh absolutely and I'm not sure that he really felt that after World War I and even after World War II because for him that whatever honor there might have been would have fallen pre-law.
40:19 --> 40:25 [UNKNOWN]: He did see honor in the sacrifice of individuals who made all the more machinery possible.
40:26 --> 40:35 [UNKNOWN]: And he again in his letters he said something about it is a wonderful thing to have a son who was serving honorably to defend his country.
40:37 --> 40:40 [UNKNOWN]: I think he was more conflicted than he sometimes sounds, you know, talk.
40:41 --> 40:44 [UNKNOWN]: He'll make very forthright statements about the absolute opposite points.
40:45 --> 40:45 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
40:46 --> 40:49 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's Catholic, you know, they just... Oh, is that what it is?
40:49 --> 40:50 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just kidding.
40:50 --> 40:51 [UNKNOWN]: I'm kidding.
40:51 --> 40:51 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
40:51 --> 40:52 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
40:52 --> 40:52 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
40:52 --> 40:53 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
40:53 --> 40:54 [UNKNOWN]: I know you're a big listener.
40:55 --> 40:55 [UNKNOWN]: My apologies.
40:57 --> 41:00 [UNKNOWN]: Moving on, let's go back to another war in the first stage.
41:01 --> 41:04 [UNKNOWN]: Thousands of years earlier, while I wrote later in this outline,
41:05 --> 41:10 [UNKNOWN]: In the first age, Kelliborne finishes off the last orc in a battle.
41:11 --> 41:15 [UNKNOWN]: After the victory victory feast, Kelliborne sees Galadriel in the forest.
41:15 --> 41:25 [UNKNOWN]: When he asks her why she dances alone, she claims she's actually sparring the two flirtatiously begin sparring together with Kelliborne taking a single lock of hair from her head and offering it back.
41:27 --> 41:29 [UNKNOWN]: And then Galadriel offers it back to him.
41:30 --> 41:39 [UNKNOWN]: Later, Keleborn presents Galadriel with a large forest and outlines his vision from for Lothorian and the two agree to wed.
41:41 --> 41:45 [UNKNOWN]: So I put some lore bits in here because so many things were popping out to me.
41:45 --> 41:48 [UNKNOWN]: Every time we go back to the first stage, I'm like, ha, that's over there.
41:50 --> 41:59 [UNKNOWN]: So, first of all, obviously, Marilyn Kirkman, if you disagree, but this is supposed to be sort of a twist on barren seeing Luthian and the farce of Doria.
41:59 --> 42:00 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, of course.
42:00 --> 42:06 [UNKNOWN]: Barren sees Luthian being beautiful and majestic and womanly in the farce of Doria.
42:07 --> 42:15 [UNKNOWN]: And here we have Galadriel, quote unquote dancing, but she's actually sparrow and they spar together, wonderful twist on that, I thought.
42:16 --> 42:23 [UNKNOWN]: definitely in a good way to, you know, tell us the difference between Lufian and Galatheville, not that we needed it, but yeah.
42:23 --> 42:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
42:24 --> 42:42 [UNKNOWN]: And then the lock of hair, which I know I'm sure that there's somebody on right at right now, going, there's really diminishes when she gives it give me the hair later, but what I like about this is he got past her defenses, and he got the hair, but he offers it back, she doesn't take it.
42:43 --> 42:44 [UNKNOWN]: It's not like I've won your heart.
42:46 --> 42:48 [UNKNOWN]: And then she goes, no, you keep it.
42:50 --> 42:51 [UNKNOWN]: And it's a free exchange.
42:51 --> 42:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's a free exchange.
42:52 --> 42:54 [UNKNOWN]: It's power with, right?
42:54 --> 42:54 [UNKNOWN]: Not power over.
42:55 --> 43:00 [UNKNOWN]: And what, you know, it's kind of like when my cat bites my hand to tell me, like, I could kill you.
43:01 --> 43:02 [UNKNOWN]: But I like that.
43:05 --> 43:17 [UNKNOWN]: But it's meaningful because, and we've talked about this about Gimli before, like, Galadriel's Uncle Fay and Or wanted a lock of her hair, and she was like, absolutely not, you are a creep, get away from me.
43:18 --> 43:19 [UNKNOWN]: And here she's like, no, you can keep it.
43:19 --> 43:20 [UNKNOWN]: You have a little lock on her head.
43:20 --> 43:22 [UNKNOWN]: You can have a little lock on her head.
43:22 --> 43:24 [UNKNOWN]: You can have three, you can have three treases instead of one.
43:24 --> 43:25 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
43:25 --> 43:27 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yellow one's a lot hotter.
43:27 --> 43:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well, and I'm sure this story has gone around, um, you know, in the first stage of because anything to do with the end order was going to be hot in the minds of, and she's a famous daughter, or, you know, famous sister, sorry, not daughter, but famous.
43:42 --> 43:48 [UNKNOWN]: Well, and, and Fanor is, um, her great uncle, I think, I may be off by generation.
43:48 --> 43:51 [UNKNOWN]: I think she, I thought it was the direct uncle, maybe I'm wrong.
43:52 --> 43:55 [UNKNOWN]: Um, is she a direct home on?
43:55 --> 43:56 [UNKNOWN]: Let's let's do the ladry.
43:56 --> 43:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, direct father.
43:58 --> 44:01 [UNKNOWN]: Is she is a direct disadvantage of finar finar right?
44:01 --> 44:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, she is.
44:02 --> 44:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's finar fin.
44:03 --> 44:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was right.
44:04 --> 44:05 [UNKNOWN]: See, I know what I'm doing sometimes.
44:05 --> 44:07 [UNKNOWN]: You, you absolutely do.
44:07 --> 44:09 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, so that is her direct uncle.
44:11 --> 44:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, she's of the golden house of Phenorphin.
44:13 --> 44:23 [UNKNOWN]: I believe she's the one who says that in season one And I said her before her hair is right isn't that isn't that Kannarka's one of the few little bits I know I was like when he had her hair.
44:23 --> 44:28 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh the hair like that's a big her hair is a big deal She's very beautiful.
44:28 --> 44:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, it was said to contain the light of both trees both the silver handle.
44:33 --> 44:36 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, which are now destroyed right
44:37 --> 44:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
44:38 --> 44:53 [UNKNOWN]: So anyway, I just thought this was a wonderful and see the thing I like about this is that we are Here dissecting the lore, but you could not know any about and just think this is a really dramatic scene This is enjoyable and multiple levels, and that's what makes it a great scene.
44:53 --> 45:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, it does and nothing like a little swordplay as great second to build great sexual tension and Sort of dancing.
45:01 --> 45:03 [UNKNOWN]: So well, and again, don't forget that was on way
45:04 --> 45:07 [UNKNOWN]: Let's get an L-free production episode this evening.
45:07 --> 45:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think we should do that.
45:09 --> 45:11 [UNKNOWN]: If the elves aren't banging on the lower cast, what are we doing here?
45:12 --> 45:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say, you were right ahead, John, and I'm listening.
45:16 --> 45:23 [UNKNOWN]: I was going to say a safe-for-worked lower cast would be a conversation about Kelliborne and Gladrill.
45:24 --> 45:36 [UNKNOWN]: you know, what we can say about them and how they some of their deeper history, because I know that there's a complex history, John and I were talking off my head before that it's it that she was sort of retrodent to some story stuff.
45:36 --> 45:41 [UNKNOWN]: And so I think it would personally, I think that would be a good Lord topic for us to do a Lord.
45:41 --> 45:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it'll be a wonderful three hour episode.
45:44 --> 45:44 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
45:44 --> 45:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think you laugh.
45:46 --> 45:47 [UNKNOWN]: You laugh.
45:47 --> 45:48 [UNKNOWN]: I don't.
45:48 --> 45:49 [UNKNOWN]: I laugh in fear, not in jazz.
45:52 --> 45:54 [UNKNOWN]: Just talk as you know what you're getting yourself in.
45:54 --> 45:57 [UNKNOWN]: No, like I just about the Elfru production episode.
45:57 --> 46:01 [UNKNOWN]: But the, but I do think it's actually an interesting topic.
46:01 --> 46:04 [UNKNOWN]: I went into it a little bit in the second age, like the generations of elves.
46:04 --> 46:19 [UNKNOWN]: They're waking up in Quivienne and then the way that elves have children and how difficult it is to have children because of their lack of, because they're limited fro a, uh, it is an interesting topic beyond being funny.
46:22 --> 46:31 [UNKNOWN]: A couple of things I noticed in this one, this is where the faint to see choreography stuff got.
46:31 --> 46:34 [UNKNOWN]: It was like, okay, this is a little goofy and they're sliding around and doing all this stuff.
46:34 --> 46:42 [UNKNOWN]: But I was actually still really moved by their courtship and I found myself like really feeling their young love and feeling
46:43 --> 47:01 [UNKNOWN]: that sense of forever is now and if we can just keep the walls of time outside of our little bubble here, it really reminded me of one of the scenes in crouching tiger hidden dragon, where the two young lovers are off in the cave and the desert and they're just like, oh, you know, the guy is just like gosh, if we could just stay here forever like this, this would be wonderful.
47:02 --> 47:09 [UNKNOWN]: And this idea that Laugh Laurean then has created as a monument to that sense of timelessness and of love.
47:09 --> 47:11 [UNKNOWN]: I was just like, oh, this is great.
47:11 --> 47:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm really happy.
47:12 --> 47:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
47:12 --> 47:14 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm not that much.
47:14 --> 47:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a little bit of roommate.
47:15 --> 47:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not that much.
47:15 --> 47:17 [UNKNOWN]: But I was really taken by the scene.
47:17 --> 47:20 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought it was just tickling.
47:20 --> 47:28 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I thought it was an excellent representation of Tolkien's ideas about with elves.
47:29 --> 47:34 [UNKNOWN]: when you see the right one, you know, there's just no question after that.
47:36 --> 47:38 [UNKNOWN]: It might take you well to find her the right one.
47:39 --> 47:46 [UNKNOWN]: And the bond is formed and there is no questioning after that of oh, well did I pick the wrong person?
47:46 --> 47:47 [UNKNOWN]: No.
47:48 --> 47:50 [UNKNOWN]: Is certain to be in their certain in their choices?
47:51 --> 47:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, there's definitely certainty in their choices and a lot of power.
47:58 --> 48:00 [UNKNOWN]: Kai, I also appreciate the Vekna still getting work here.
48:01 --> 48:05 [UNKNOWN]: Jimmy Campbell-Bauer is still doing great work here as Kelliborne.
48:06 --> 48:07 [UNKNOWN]: Now that he's done with Stranger Things for good.
48:08 --> 48:10 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I did not know that that was that.
48:11 --> 48:12 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, I've never seen it.
48:13 --> 48:19 [UNKNOWN]: I have no idea what his role was in it, but I know that the internet just blew up when they found out that he was being cast because of stranger things.
48:19 --> 48:23 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I'm here to tell you everything I read is true.
48:24 --> 48:26 [UNKNOWN]: Wow, does he ever have an electric connection?
48:27 --> 48:30 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's got great charisma.
48:30 --> 48:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's, I was excited to see him because the first thing I saw, I remember it was actually Sweeney Todd when he played Anthony.
48:38 --> 48:49 [UNKNOWN]: You know, the young man trying to, okay, nobody's, nobody's mutual fan here, but 20 years ago He was the young man pining for Joanna in the tower and I was like, he could play a romantic.
48:49 --> 49:02 [UNKNOWN]: He knows how to do it And I just love this depiction of the first age You can tell this is a different age It feels that way to me that the visuals, you know, the forest and the lights and that
49:07 --> 49:24 [UNKNOWN]: There is still this ability to relax and to come together in this way that feels, it just feels more enchanting and enchanted than depictions of elves that I've seen in the previous two seasons.
49:24 --> 49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Of course, it's because it's a different age.
49:28 --> 49:30 [UNKNOWN]: They're not in an existential crisis at that.
49:31 --> 49:31 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
49:32 --> 49:41 [UNKNOWN]: And so we get that from all of the gestures and the dresses and the, you know, this gathering, um, yeah, I really, really liked that.
49:41 --> 49:49 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know much about Kiliborn, but is it the case that he is sort of less warrior oriented?
49:49 --> 49:55 [UNKNOWN]: I guess we could say like he's talking about gardening and creating a, you know, this beautiful place in architecture.
50:00 --> 50:03 [UNKNOWN]: else contain multitudes, of course.
50:03 --> 50:10 [UNKNOWN]: And in terms of lore, the amount that we don't know about Kelliborne could fill all the books behind you in that.
50:10 --> 50:11 [UNKNOWN]: It's your right now.
50:12 --> 50:12 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
50:13 --> 50:14 [UNKNOWN]: We're not maybe more of what the word of L.C.
50:14 --> 50:14 [UNKNOWN]: is.
50:15 --> 50:15 [UNKNOWN]: We are not.
50:15 --> 50:15 [UNKNOWN]: We're not.
50:15 --> 50:16 [UNKNOWN]: We're not.
50:16 --> 50:16 [UNKNOWN]: L.C.
50:16 --> 50:18 [UNKNOWN]: is talking to some of my abilities.
50:18 --> 50:19 [UNKNOWN]: A bunch of times.
50:19 --> 50:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
50:19 --> 50:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
50:21 --> 50:35 [UNKNOWN]: One other thing I'll mention too and it comes up later is that they are casting a little bit wider in for the background actors in terms of Elvin skin color and hair and we're actually seeing some black actors.
50:36 --> 50:38 [UNKNOWN]: And they did that in season one.
50:38 --> 50:39 [UNKNOWN]: That was the whole.
50:39 --> 50:44 [UNKNOWN]: That's why everybody got up at arms and it was but it was present in here and in present in another scene later on.
50:44 --> 50:46 [UNKNOWN]: So it's not just a frontier.
50:46 --> 50:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's exactly important for us.
50:48 --> 50:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'm concerned.
50:48 --> 50:54 [UNKNOWN]: Now it's not even getting characters, but it's, you know, they're not backing what they didn't back off on it.
50:54 --> 51:00 [UNKNOWN]: No, and to my mind, you have the one leading character and everybody else's white that becomes fairly meaningless.
51:01 --> 51:02 [UNKNOWN]: It has to come from a context.
51:03 --> 51:03 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
51:03 --> 51:09 [UNKNOWN]: He can't be the only one, and I was seeing other black warriors and other people of color.
51:09 --> 51:10 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, yeah.
51:10 --> 51:12 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's great to have a diverse cast here.
51:12 --> 51:19 [UNKNOWN]: Especially like, you know, we were saying, I don't remember which one of you said it, but, you know, this is the time of many more elves in Middle-earth, right?
51:19 --> 51:20 [UNKNOWN]: This is before an elf left.
51:21 --> 51:21 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
51:23 --> 51:25 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I think we've wrapped up our discussion of the first stage.
51:26 --> 51:30 [UNKNOWN]: Why don't we go back to the present in the second age and talk about some ring bears.
51:31 --> 51:36 [UNKNOWN]: So, uh, Galatriel and Arandir battle a troop of orcs and men.
51:37 --> 51:40 [UNKNOWN]: Remembering a past battle, Galatriel insists the elves down their ground.
51:40 --> 51:45 [UNKNOWN]: Arandir is stunned after he looks into the eyes of a dying human that reminds him of Fio.
51:46 --> 51:50 [UNKNOWN]: When one of the ring bears of men arrives, Galatriel orders a retreat.
51:51 --> 51:57 [UNKNOWN]: Galadriel is unhorst by the ring bear and stabs him when cornered, but it seems to do nothing.
51:57 --> 52:01 [UNKNOWN]: Galadriel slowly escapes narrowly escapes, rather.
52:02 --> 52:07 [UNKNOWN]: So we've got a new, they go a little bit more into it later in the episode.
52:08 --> 52:10 [UNKNOWN]: But we've got a new enemy here.
52:10 --> 52:14 [UNKNOWN]: We've got a, it's not a ring-rainth because they're not rates at this point.
52:15 --> 52:15 [UNKNOWN]: Good point.
52:15 --> 52:16 [UNKNOWN]: That's a very good point.
52:17 --> 52:17 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
52:17 --> 52:20 [UNKNOWN]: That's a show where you were saying ring-bearer, but now that makes sense.
52:20 --> 52:24 [UNKNOWN]: Because they're not, uh, they're not undead in the same way.
52:24 --> 52:26 [UNKNOWN]: A ring-servant is what they're doing with it.
52:27 --> 52:27 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
52:27 --> 52:37 [UNKNOWN]: The show has created a portment hoe of different elf words, uh, to become a Nazna Goul, which is ring-servant.
52:37 --> 52:46 [UNKNOWN]: I was wondering about that pronunciation too, because in my mind, as the uninitiated, or not, not Lord Dev person, I was like, wait, what?
52:47 --> 52:48 [UNKNOWN]: They're not saying Nazgul, like I've heard.
52:48 --> 52:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's a show creation.
52:49 --> 52:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just show creation.
52:51 --> 52:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
52:52 --> 52:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I've heard it pronounced Nazgul.
52:54 --> 52:56 [UNKNOWN]: Which is the, really trippy.
52:56 --> 52:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
52:57 --> 52:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to do that.
52:58 --> 53:03 [UNKNOWN]: So I just, just as I head up everybody, there's going to be no second invisible G for me.
53:05 --> 53:11 [UNKNOWN]: I like the presentation because I wasn't sure, I didn't think he would hand up rings until he had made the one.
53:12 --> 53:17 [UNKNOWN]: Well, so the minute I saw that ring on his finger, I said, oh, okay, this is what's happening.
53:17 --> 53:17 [UNKNOWN]: He's given him out.
53:17 --> 53:19 [UNKNOWN]: He's doling them out.
53:20 --> 53:24 [UNKNOWN]: And is this, I don't think he's fully rave at this point?
53:24 --> 53:25 [UNKNOWN]: No.
53:25 --> 53:27 [UNKNOWN]: But the fact that Galatheal stabs him and it
53:28 --> 53:30 [UNKNOWN]: He just pulls it out and throws the sword away.
53:30 --> 53:45 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, okay, but he's not exactly entirely human anymore because we see the other The Lord from the room, one of the the room lords is healed when he puts on the ring right to the ring has his later on.
53:45 --> 53:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it has healing capacities to it.
53:48 --> 53:51 [UNKNOWN]: There is, I was just going to say I was struck.
53:52 --> 53:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, okay, yeah, well, we could do it.
53:54 --> 53:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, healing, yeah, for sure, because it's probably couldn't more consuming than providing.
54:00 --> 54:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's exactly, that's exactly it.
54:02 --> 54:11 [UNKNOWN]: That's exactly what I'm going here is I'm reading, I read a lot of fantasy and well, I don't think I've seen this in Tolkien, Maryland, you might know something.
54:11 --> 54:22 [UNKNOWN]: In other fantasy novels or worlds, there's often this aspect of, you can be healed by magic, but that magic is going to pull from you from your strength, from your perhaps even your lifetime.
54:24 --> 54:28 [UNKNOWN]: And like we can restore you, but it's going to take something out of you.
54:28 --> 54:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's your strength that is used.
54:30 --> 54:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that that's how the rings are going to work in the end.
54:33 --> 54:37 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have any evidence of that, but I think that's how the rings of men are going to work.
54:38 --> 54:42 [UNKNOWN]: Will it, you does say, oh sorry, please, we don't, we, we have this gap.
54:43 --> 54:52 [UNKNOWN]: We don't really know from the lore, it's just, we know that it's all on hand out of these rings and several hundred years later, suddenly, we have these black writers.
54:53 --> 54:58 [UNKNOWN]: And what they were like before Frodo and Sam see them up close.
54:58 --> 55:00 [UNKNOWN]: Personal, we don't know that either.
55:00 --> 55:04 [UNKNOWN]: So this is a huge gap, and this is how the show owners are choosing to fill it.
55:05 --> 55:15 [UNKNOWN]: And when we have this next scene that we'll talk about, not immediately, but whenever we get there, I think they do a fantastic job of doing both in.
55:16 --> 55:17 [UNKNOWN]: And there's some stuff that Sauron says.
55:18 --> 55:19 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
55:19 --> 55:20 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
55:20 --> 55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Let's put a pin in that.
55:21 --> 55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Put a pin in that.
55:22 --> 55:24 [UNKNOWN]: I was going to say about the black writers.
55:25 --> 55:36 [UNKNOWN]: the way that they filmed this ring bearer writing really was a very jacksonian shot to the shire.
55:37 --> 55:39 [UNKNOWN]: I also got a lot of A.O.N.
55:39 --> 55:48 [UNKNOWN]: in return of the king when the ladrill is laying there and he's coming up and she's like, you know, I am no man and she stabs him right, you know.
55:48 --> 55:50 [UNKNOWN]: But it's like, oops, not this time sister.
55:51 --> 55:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so yeah, very strong tie-ins to the Jacksonian world.
55:58 --> 55:59 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
56:00 --> 56:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when they're difficult, I'll tell you to say, I am no man, for which King, or that that's good, that cool response, neither am I. I do have to say that that of all the visual
56:15 --> 56:17 [UNKNOWN]: Representations of Lord of the Rings on screen.
56:17 --> 56:22 [UNKNOWN]: I think the one that is my favorite and stays with me the most is the A-O-N. And is it?
56:22 --> 56:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
56:23 --> 56:24 [UNKNOWN]: Who's with him with with her?
56:25 --> 56:25 [UNKNOWN]: Mary.
56:26 --> 56:26 [UNKNOWN]: It's Mary.
56:26 --> 56:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just, I'm just okay.
56:29 --> 56:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm okay.
56:30 --> 56:31 [UNKNOWN]: I'm okay.
56:31 --> 56:36 [UNKNOWN]: But the scene of A-O-N and Mary together is like one of my, my most.
56:36 --> 56:38 [UNKNOWN]: To me, it's one of the most moving scenes of all the toll.
56:38 --> 56:38 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:38 --> 56:39 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:39 --> 56:39 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:39 --> 56:39 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:39 --> 56:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:40 --> 56:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:40 --> 56:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:40 --> 56:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:40 --> 56:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:41 --> 56:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:41 --> 56:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:41 --> 56:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:42 --> 56:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:42 --> 56:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:42 --> 56:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a toast.
56:42 --> 56:43 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a
56:44 --> 56:45 [UNKNOWN]: my brain is not what it used to be.
56:45 --> 56:46 [UNKNOWN]: That's all right.
56:47 --> 56:48 [UNKNOWN]: You need to be so full of art.
56:48 --> 56:49 [UNKNOWN]: Packed full of lore.
56:49 --> 56:50 [UNKNOWN]: You need some rings to do.
56:50 --> 56:51 [UNKNOWN]: You need some rings.
56:51 --> 56:53 [UNKNOWN]: Some space to ring.
56:53 --> 56:57 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
56:57 --> 56:59 [UNKNOWN]: Talk about the price to pay if you take on the magical pier.
57:00 --> 57:05 [UNKNOWN]: Be a couple of notes about the fighting styles here.
57:06 --> 57:10 [UNKNOWN]: Watching a rendezvous, especially with sort of his radial fluidity.
57:10 --> 57:11 [UNKNOWN]: He's doing lots of
57:12 --> 57:20 [UNKNOWN]: water, flowy, movements, circular, kind of movements, where Galadriel's fighting styles a little bit more hard stance, strike, hard stance, kind of stuff.
57:21 --> 57:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I thought that was really interesting.
57:22 --> 57:26 [UNKNOWN]: He also has this reverse, has this open palm, the bow strike.
57:26 --> 57:30 [UNKNOWN]: And I can't remember we talked about it before John, I thought in another season of another show.
57:31 --> 57:36 [UNKNOWN]: But there's something, that is a technique that some people do where you have your hand the opposite way.
57:40 --> 57:41 [UNKNOWN]: fighting an armor.
57:42 --> 57:42 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't done it.
57:43 --> 57:47 [UNKNOWN]: I know, however, though, it is incredibly exhausting.
57:47 --> 57:56 [UNKNOWN]: It is incredibly physically taxing to strike, to counter, to absorb a blow, to throw an enemy, to be thrown by an enemy.
57:57 --> 57:59 [UNKNOWN]: It's an exhausting thing.
57:59 --> 58:01 [UNKNOWN]: And within few minutes, you're done for.
58:01 --> 58:06 [UNKNOWN]: And so that to watch these, I just had to remind myself, I'm watching Elves fight here.
58:06 --> 58:06 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
58:06 --> 58:15 [UNKNOWN]: This is a whole other level of endurance and not only fighting style, but of just fighting ability.
58:16 --> 58:17 [UNKNOWN]: When you're wearing armor, it's heavy.
58:17 --> 58:26 [UNKNOWN]: And when you're swing a bat a few times or go out and break your yard for an uninterrupted for 10 or 15 minutes and see how it is.
58:26 --> 58:27 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
58:27 --> 58:28 [UNKNOWN]: It's exhausting, right?
58:28 --> 58:31 [UNKNOWN]: You got to take constant breaks and they're in constant fight.
58:31 --> 58:32 [UNKNOWN]: So it was really interesting.
58:35 --> 58:39 [UNKNOWN]: Which probably doesn't weigh much more than a final shirt.
58:39 --> 58:45 [UNKNOWN]: Then a piece of plastic that was made in the armory job of life.
58:46 --> 58:47 [UNKNOWN]: Probably not plastic.
58:47 --> 58:56 [UNKNOWN]: You got to realize though, you can't even step foot in a planet fitness in Valentine because you're going to throw a pack.
58:57 --> 58:57 [UNKNOWN]: Crazy.
58:59 --> 59:01 [UNKNOWN]: I'm interesting too, but they're shield wall fighting techniques.
59:01 --> 59:02 [UNKNOWN]: I love that with that.
59:03 --> 59:03 [UNKNOWN]: I love that.
59:04 --> 59:18 [UNKNOWN]: It really reminded me of the first gladiator movie when the Romans are fighting in the north and it's a bunch of rag tag forest men come running out of the woods and the Roman line has their interlock shields and how they fought like that.
59:18 --> 59:22 [UNKNOWN]: So again, another sort of visual call out to another movie.
59:22 --> 59:25 [UNKNOWN]: Well, on the Anglo-Saxons did their shield wall as well.
59:25 --> 59:29 [UNKNOWN]: We had bit might have started with the Romans but a lot of people did.
59:30 --> 59:31 [UNKNOWN]: Will known by the Romans, right?
59:31 --> 59:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
59:51 --> 59:52 [UNKNOWN]: absolutely despises it.
59:52 --> 59:55 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what the advantages of any people.
59:55 --> 59:57 [UNKNOWN]: I remember watching our videos about it.
59:57 --> 59:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
59:58 --> 01:00:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, anybody who's listening and you do our tree and you know the difference would love to hear from you.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:05 [UNKNOWN]: Please, please, please write in or give us a voice now or whatever you like.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:12 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think it's time we take a quick break and then get back to the baddies.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:38 [UNKNOWN]: We're back, and we're ready to talk about some new and old friends.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:43 [UNKNOWN]: Sarah on looks upon the skeleton of Kilburn-Bore as he holds the hammer of Fainor.
01:00:44 --> 01:00:48 [UNKNOWN]: Sarah on Imagine's Kilburn-Bore taunting him with his failure to create a ring to master the album rings.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:57 [UNKNOWN]: The delegation from Arun arrives to accept the alliance offer on behalf of the Dark Wizard instead, Sarah on Potsu's workers.
01:00:58 --> 01:01:03 [UNKNOWN]: He offers the alliance to the 10 horsemen of ruin, not their master.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:12 [UNKNOWN]: He offers them the chance to be kings again in fight against the elves, and then he offers them one of the nine rings and makes them fight to the death over it.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 [UNKNOWN]: Saran gives the victor one of the nine.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:22 [UNKNOWN]: He explains the well-wearing the ring, the Nazna Goul is of this world and another.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's a ring servant we just talked about.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:30 [UNKNOWN]: He promises his new servant eternal life and the ring heals the man's wounds.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: The man identifies himself as a comal, which I put a learn-out here.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:41 [UNKNOWN]: This is actually the only one of the Nazgul given a name in Tolkien's writings of as a canon character.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:44 [UNKNOWN]: The fairest of the fair, fairest of the nine?
01:01:44 --> 01:01:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, he is the only named one.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I really like the fact that we're not only giving a name in a face,
01:01:58 --> 01:02:08 [UNKNOWN]: the sense that Sauron still appreciates beauty and create the innocence and is willing to name it and then appreciate it.
01:02:08 --> 01:02:12 [UNKNOWN]: You know, you don't associate that with a dark lord doing all of me doing.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:17 [UNKNOWN]: I also came across this fascinating portion of unfinished sales of Newman-Ren Middle-Earth.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:32 [UNKNOWN]: From notes recounting in detail the movements of the Black Riders in the Shire, it emerges that it was Kamul who came to Hobbiton and spoke to Gaffer Gamjee, who followed the Hobbit's along the road to Stock, who narrowly missed them on the Buckelberry ferry.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:36 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, so that was the one main writer that.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was the one chasing them.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:52 [UNKNOWN]: The one, this is an excellent, excellent section for people to read, and it's in unfinished tales, as you said, John, because you get a much stronger sense of how the not school actually worked in the third age.
01:02:53 --> 01:03:01 [UNKNOWN]: you see how the witch king split up his forces and where people were and why there were only five attacking and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:16 [UNKNOWN]: Some of that we did hear but what I love so much is he basically says the witch king was afraid of Frodo because he'd been told, it's an easy assignment.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:21 [UNKNOWN]: There's just halflings, you know, they're not gonna put up a defense to just gotta get the ring from when it'll be fine.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:37 [UNKNOWN]: and suddenly he's confronted with this warrior who has an ancient sword that was made for the bane of his people back in Engmar days, and he's spouting the name of Elbrath, you know?
01:03:37 --> 01:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, which is the thing that gives him great pain.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:45 [UNKNOWN]: So it takes the riders down a few notches.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:50 [UNKNOWN]: They're still terrifying, but it just makes it see, you know, evil contains the seeds of its own destruction.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:57 [UNKNOWN]: You get the feeling these guys don't know how to find their butt with their own hands, because there's so many near misses and so forth.
01:03:58 --> 01:04:07 [UNKNOWN]: So it's the kind of thing that Tolkien has in the back of his mind the whole time, and I'm so glad that son Christopher brought so many of those things out to the forefront
01:04:11 --> 01:04:26 [UNKNOWN]: There's this other bit about Kamul in the same section of unfinished tales, where it says of Kamul, it is said that he said here that he was the most ready of all the Nazgul after the Black Captain himself, meaning the Witch King of Angmar, to perceive the presence of the ring.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:31 [UNKNOWN]: But he was also the one whose power was most confused and diminished by daylight.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: So this is interesting.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:36 [UNKNOWN]: A lot of lore bits, and I wonder how much they'll pull into this character
01:04:38 --> 01:04:39 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, be interesting to find out.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:44 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, who he is today is one who necessarily what it's going to be a thousand.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:45 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:46 [UNKNOWN]: Who's from now?
01:04:46 --> 01:04:47 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:57 [UNKNOWN]: But it's interesting, is there going to be a reason why he has this stronger bond to the one ring compared to the other Nazgul that it comes to be?
01:04:58 --> 01:05:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that is a good question.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we've already seen one, apparently, from the little soft, which are the people way
01:05:09 --> 01:05:16 [UNKNOWN]: And he seems okay, but at this point, there's still kind of able to defeat it without too much difficulty.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:20 [UNKNOWN]: And we've got several more yet to be assigned.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, all kinds of people over the net are having their own favorite characters.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:27 [UNKNOWN]: Who they hope to be.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:28 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, there's something in this episode that certainly leaves one in that direction.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:35 [UNKNOWN]: I don't believe in it.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:39 [UNKNOWN]: No, you don't think that Theo is going to believe in it.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:41 [UNKNOWN]: I don't believe in it.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:42 [UNKNOWN]: He's certainly going to be in it.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:45 [UNKNOWN]: He's going to certainly win that fight, obviously.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:46 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, David.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:49 [UNKNOWN]: They cut off.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:51 [UNKNOWN]: He went for the dagger first.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:51 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:53 [UNKNOWN]: This is a good whole thing.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:57 [UNKNOWN]: This is, and I've seen TV, and I didn't spend two seasons developing this character to kill him off now.
01:05:57 --> 01:05:57 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:05:58 --> 01:05:58 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:00 [UNKNOWN]: This is completely the hand of the writer.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll see.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:03 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:04 [UNKNOWN]: We will.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:06 [UNKNOWN]: The thing that I love so much about, um,
01:06:08 --> 01:06:12 [UNKNOWN]: the five lords of fruit when they came was the line.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:16 [UNKNOWN]: Do you really expect to gain our trust by asking us to betray him?
01:06:18 --> 01:06:21 [UNKNOWN]: Now that's the kind of person I want on my side.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:23 [UNKNOWN]: Loyalty once given
01:06:26 --> 01:06:41 [UNKNOWN]: uh... for some possible higher you know ambiguous higher plane or whatever and you know he's maybe smart enough to know i'm getting bad vibes did so and more she was a one-year-old right one-year-old one-year-old several
01:06:41 --> 01:06:48 [UNKNOWN]: Ultimately, you're reducing your own effectiveness, so you now have one instead of five.
01:06:50 --> 01:07:00 [UNKNOWN]: If you ended up even with more than one, you know, those are living in fear and are nervous to tell the truth or to expose failure.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:05 [UNKNOWN]: Or weakness, because it will ultimately lead to your demise.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: So again, the ineffectiveness of evil in the long run, ultimately prove out here again.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:19 [UNKNOWN]: But I think what Saron's perspective is, if I could defend Saron's perspective, he is still man.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:21 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to steal man Saron here.
01:07:22 --> 01:07:28 [UNKNOWN]: He is saying, well, okay, that guy is like, well, I would never betray any of these people.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:30 [UNKNOWN]: Saron doesn't want anybody with morality.
01:07:30 --> 01:07:34 [UNKNOWN]: He wants the person who will go to the highest bidder and Saron's like, I am the highest bidder.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:37 [UNKNOWN]: I am the highest level being in this war.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:39 [UNKNOWN]: I am the one with the rings.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:41 [UNKNOWN]: I am the one with the power.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:42 [UNKNOWN]: No one could top these gifts.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:45 [UNKNOWN]: So, may as well be the person I can buy with it.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:50 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it looks like, you know, who's the biggest boy in the playground, I'll stand in his shadow.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: Which is, you know, one way ever approaching it.
01:07:57 --> 01:08:04 [UNKNOWN]: So we should talk a little bit about Kaila Brimboer living inside of my grandparents.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:07 [UNKNOWN]: I see you working in my favorite line.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:10 [UNKNOWN]: The machinery of your soul is missing a piece.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:16 [UNKNOWN]: The one that allows for a true bond, a true union with another being.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:19 [UNKNOWN]: You're seeking control instead of a connection.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:22 [UNKNOWN]: Entrol, for.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: It's just power over, hello.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's amazing.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:36 [UNKNOWN]: because I do, I don't, I really hope that Kelo Brumbois, Faye, I went straight over to the Undyne lands, I don't think this is a ghost.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:38 [UNKNOWN]: I know it's not a ghost, it knows don't, don't do that.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's a phantom of Sauron's mind, but did he get enough inside it to what Kelo Brumbois would say?
01:08:51 --> 01:08:59 [UNKNOWN]: I think when you, they worked together quite closely and there were quite intimate in that quote unquote partnership that wasn't.
01:09:00 --> 01:09:10 [UNKNOWN]: And I can remember one particular relationship that was when it was over, that person lived in my head for months afterwards.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:14 [UNKNOWN]: And I was watching the dishes and having imaginary conversations with them.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:18 [UNKNOWN]: And it was my own imagination.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:20 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't feel them, you know, they were there in my mind.
01:09:20 --> 01:09:23 [UNKNOWN]: I, and I was having the interactions.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: There was a lot of, a lot of emotion on how that he around the ending of that relationship we could say.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:34 [UNKNOWN]: And it persisted that, the my imagined relation, the imagination.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:49 [UNKNOWN]: the person that I imagined them to be, I created and had them persist in my mind and continue to have conversations with them because I was not ready to go of that relationship.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:51 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a really important distinction.
01:09:51 --> 01:09:55 [UNKNOWN]: If the person that you created in your mind, it's not the person.
01:09:55 --> 01:09:57 [UNKNOWN]: No, I imagined that.
01:09:57 --> 01:09:58 [UNKNOWN]: It's not that person, right?
01:09:58 --> 01:10:01 [UNKNOWN]: And so I'm talking to myself in that regard.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:02 [UNKNOWN]: And so John, what you said earlier about,
01:10:04 --> 01:10:07 [UNKNOWN]: What are the secret fears of Sauron?
01:10:07 --> 01:10:10 [UNKNOWN]: But he's not, am I good enough?
01:10:10 --> 01:10:11 [UNKNOWN]: Do I have all the knowledge?
01:10:11 --> 01:10:12 [UNKNOWN]: Can I pull this off?
01:10:13 --> 01:10:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right, it's just him talking to himself.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:26 [UNKNOWN]: I think what needs to be made clear to people who are not as deep in the lore is that Morgoth, Sauron's former boss, was there to create pain.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:33 [UNKNOWN]: But Seron actually believes he is creating a better world for an order.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:36 [UNKNOWN]: He believes that the pain is leading to a better world.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:50 [UNKNOWN]: And it is important to sell around self-image that he can sit on his iron throne here very clearly at ironclown inspiration with his helmets in a baked into the throne.
01:10:51 --> 01:10:53 [UNKNOWN]: But sit on that iron throne and be like,
01:10:57 --> 01:10:59 [UNKNOWN]: when this war is overhielding a better turtle piece.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 [UNKNOWN]: Thanos, right?
01:11:02 --> 01:11:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:08 [UNKNOWN]: There's a better world on the other side of the, I'm offering something.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:09 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not taking away some.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:14 [UNKNOWN]: I have to say, John, I think it's a lot more comfortable to be a sitting eye-melted helmets.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:14 [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:17 [UNKNOWN]: I'll just, you know, I'll just wait that out.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the art of the movie could be, they're like, yeah, a bunch of, a bunch of more rulers have just died from getting prick from and getting infections.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:25 [UNKNOWN]: And let's keep using them.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:28 [UNKNOWN]: Beautiful imagery, though, the helmet dripping down.
01:11:28 --> 01:11:29 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:30 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's just gorgeous.
01:11:30 --> 01:11:36 [UNKNOWN]: And to the right of him, there is a... Stan, I took a picture and put this on the on the discord.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:43 [UNKNOWN]: There's some sort of basket of weapons, maybe it's stuff that he throws out to people when they want to fight each other, but there's some chance in there.
01:11:43 --> 01:11:47 [UNKNOWN]: And John, you brought up something about chains earlier for regarding this season.
01:11:48 --> 01:11:51 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, the, well, that's, that's something that I want to talk about in general.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:55 [UNKNOWN]: Right, but anyway, I saw some chains there and I was like, ooh, I got excited.
01:11:55 --> 01:11:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, they don't highlight them.
01:11:57 --> 01:11:58 [UNKNOWN]: They're just there.
01:11:58 --> 01:12:01 [UNKNOWN]: They don't actually linger or draw our attention to them.
01:12:02 --> 01:12:04 [UNKNOWN]: But I just picked up on it and saw that there.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:11 [UNKNOWN]: And it made me more excited that again, they're just putting in all kinds of little artifacts and cool things into our visual.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think Sauron feels chained by his own self.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:14 [UNKNOWN]: That's.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:19 [UNKNOWN]: I was very glad that Well played Marilyn.
01:12:19 --> 01:12:21 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, thank you.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:28 [UNKNOWN]: I was very glad that Killer Brimboar himself says Salron had no hand in the Elvitt ring, so he can't master them.
01:12:29 --> 01:12:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:12:29 --> 01:12:44 [UNKNOWN]: It's been a lot of discussion about, well, but he did, because, you know, he was the one who had the idea, and he was there, and he was the one who first planted in Killer Brimboar's mind, the idea of power, not over the flesh,
01:12:45 --> 01:12:45 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:52 [UNKNOWN]: So, and speaking of flesh, did he have kiloprimped or spot each reinsported?
01:12:52 --> 01:12:55 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, you hadn't read that anyway, sick.
01:12:55 --> 01:13:00 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I was glad that I knew it had a time because I was eating my brunch at that point.
01:13:01 --> 01:13:15 [UNKNOWN]: There were a lot of things that I knew when to just not look too closely because I really didn't want to have do you remember in season one where Galadriel is in the forest and there's all, like there's a kind of a quote-unquote statue of her brother and I think maybe Neama is there as well.
01:13:16 --> 01:13:16 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:18 [UNKNOWN]: That was a new manor.
01:13:18 --> 01:13:18 [UNKNOWN]: Luthian.
01:13:18 --> 01:13:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:21 [UNKNOWN]: Was it...
01:13:21 --> 01:13:23 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, Marilyn, who are you saying it was?
01:13:23 --> 01:13:26 [UNKNOWN]: You were talking with the memorial garden with Finn Rod in the tree?
01:13:26 --> 01:13:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, exactly.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:29 [UNKNOWN]: The woman was Luthian.
01:13:30 --> 01:13:31 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:32 [UNKNOWN]: She had the dog who won.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:32 [UNKNOWN]: Next.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:33 [UNKNOWN]: Got it.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:49 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, those, there was, for me, it was speaking to that, having a Kela Brimbor's body up there was not unlike the elves having their venerated in these beautiful forestry statues.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, so you think Sauron is actually doing a bit of calibrated more worship, huh?
01:13:54 --> 01:13:55 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
01:13:55 --> 01:13:57 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's right there in his visual field.
01:13:57 --> 01:13:58 [UNKNOWN]: He's talking to it.
01:13:58 --> 01:13:59 [UNKNOWN]: He's thinking he's meditating.
01:13:59 --> 01:14:00 [UNKNOWN]: He's contemplating.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:01 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:04 [UNKNOWN]: And he's still got the arrows and the spear and him and all that kind of stuff.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:06 [UNKNOWN]: So it's a very calibable.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:13 [UNKNOWN]: There's a ton of Christ imagery in here as well because the wings are offering life and here is this sort of crucified.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:18 [UNKNOWN]: He's not his savior, but he's somebody that he venerates and looks up to.
01:14:19 --> 01:14:20 [UNKNOWN]: Well, certainly.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:22 [UNKNOWN]: I guess South
01:14:25 --> 01:14:50 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, just the, the, the, the, the visual, the, the, the visual, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the visual, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
01:14:55 --> 01:15:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but even Alway found out, I can't create new beings unless they have the Eldo seal of approval.
01:15:04 --> 01:15:04 [UNKNOWN]: And right.
01:15:04 --> 01:15:04 [UNKNOWN]: Didn't.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:15 [UNKNOWN]: Last couple of notes for me on this, uh, one obviously, creating the fight to the death scene with the men of room.
01:15:15 --> 01:15:18 [UNKNOWN]: Here obviously sets us up for the men of the South later.
01:15:18 --> 01:15:18 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:15:18 --> 01:15:21 [UNKNOWN]: So we now have the visual language so they can end on that.
01:15:22 --> 01:15:24 [UNKNOWN]: cut to black scene with Theo fighting everybody off.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:28 [UNKNOWN]: But we knew what was coming the moment that he had them there.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:33 [UNKNOWN]: So again, just smart storytelling device for television.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: But the other thing I wanted to mention was the one orc that had the armor with the two big sort of shoulder pad things.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:43 [UNKNOWN]: That looks like the bar door, right?
01:15:43 --> 01:15:45 [UNKNOWN]: So it did there's a visual.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a visual language that they're establishing here.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:55 [UNKNOWN]: I thought maybe they had taken one of the old-ish shields and tortured it into this new form.
01:15:56 --> 01:16:00 [UNKNOWN]: But if you noted there was like one scene where that dude walked out and I was like oh my god that looks like the top.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:05 [UNKNOWN]: Well let's head to a place of healing.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, please.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:07 [UNKNOWN]: Rivendell.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:10 [UNKNOWN]: Gladriel and Arandir returned to Rivendell.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:16 [UNKNOWN]: where Elrond helps heal the injured, as Elrond tends Galatriel.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:25 [UNKNOWN]: They recognize the new Naznegul as the king of the loss of, who pledged loyalty to the elves previously.
01:16:26 --> 01:16:31 [UNKNOWN]: Galatriel suggests allying with Numenor, but without Meryl as Ruler, Elrond is doubtful.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:34 [UNKNOWN]: Galatriel insists they need allies to defeat Sauron.
01:16:35 --> 01:16:40 [UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, later, Galadriel has a nightmare that Saran still calls to her.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:44 [UNKNOWN]: She goes outside to find Aaron Deer and bond over their shared worries.
01:16:45 --> 01:16:48 [UNKNOWN]: He admits he fears for Theo and must go to Belargir.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:51 [UNKNOWN]: Galadriel says her secret pain is loneliness.
01:16:56 --> 01:16:58 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he requests to go.
01:16:58 --> 01:17:00 [UNKNOWN]: She comes, well, he's about to.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:04 [UNKNOWN]: She, he's about to and he goes, she goes, go, go.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:06 [UNKNOWN]: You know, like, it was, I don't think it was an order.
01:17:06 --> 01:17:07 [UNKNOWN]: It was more like, you have my blessing.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:08 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: Please go.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:10 [UNKNOWN]: That's how I felt too.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:11 [UNKNOWN]: Fair enough.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:15 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm so glad they cleared it up earlier on people were saying, oh my God, she's in bed with salad.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, she's tough.
01:17:18 --> 01:17:21 [UNKNOWN]: Well, she still didn't have wounded warrior garb there.
01:17:21 --> 01:17:23 [UNKNOWN]: She's dirty face and then we she wakes up from the dream.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:26 [UNKNOWN]: She's Yeah, you're like, you're not going to go to bed without taking a bath.
01:17:27 --> 01:17:27 [UNKNOWN]: What can I hope?
01:17:28 --> 01:17:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:34 [UNKNOWN]: So I thought here to this is where
01:17:36 --> 01:17:50 [UNKNOWN]: This whole scene in unseen world, conversation is continuing and the unseen world of what we live with within ourselves, our guilt, our pain, our shame, our loves, our hopes, our dreams, whatever they may be.
01:17:50 --> 01:17:55 [UNKNOWN]: And I think what does a rendez-er say, he has got a great line about why are they so,
01:17:56 --> 01:18:13 [UNKNOWN]: why are these secret fears so potent at night and this idea though that when we can share when we can give voice to and we can share those things we can actually diminish their power over us and so they were doing a little talk therapy with each other.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:18 [UNKNOWN]: The line is why our secret pains so much easier to escape in the daylight.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:19 [UNKNOWN]: That's what it was.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know I this is going to be one of my minor critiques of this episode.
01:18:24 --> 01:18:32 [UNKNOWN]: As far as major lore things, the elves are so into and with the stars, and absolutely fine without light.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:35 [UNKNOWN]: Like, let's not pretend like they light as their civic grace.
01:18:35 --> 01:18:38 [UNKNOWN]: They are of the stars and the night.
01:18:39 --> 01:18:42 [UNKNOWN]: You're right, John, that is more of a human thing than the other thing, isn't it?
01:18:43 --> 01:18:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:48 [UNKNOWN]: They are the people, I mean, they lived on middle earth without a son.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:56 [UNKNOWN]: without any light during the time between the lamps or before the lamps and between the lamps and the trees.
01:18:57 --> 01:19:05 [UNKNOWN]: But certainly when it was given to nightmares like myself, recognizes these things who are a lot easier to live with in the daylight.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:15 [UNKNOWN]: Whatever other side effects they are having on us, I want to know how does Ellen on know that me odial has been deposed?
01:19:17 --> 01:19:18 [UNKNOWN]: Where does this come from, Tax?
01:19:18 --> 01:19:20 [UNKNOWN]: I, I, I, I that he has, it's been five years.
01:19:21 --> 01:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:31 [UNKNOWN]: And it sounds like, when was last time an elf went to Nymanoid because they were already, you know, even at the studio that she was gonna be.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:44 [UNKNOWN]: Well, but I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don
01:19:45 --> 01:19:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: Well, in fact, if this had just happened, I could see like you'd be, ah, why would you know, but this happened five years ago, you have, you have Kevin, the son of Arizona, very, you know, largely in his stick around, right?
01:19:59 --> 01:20:00 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:20:00 --> 01:20:05 [UNKNOWN]: He's, he's trying to, you know, make sure that people know that he and his data are in charge.
01:20:05 --> 01:20:08 [UNKNOWN]: I, I am very much in, I'm fine with us.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:16 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I guess it would have to be a human that escaped from Pilagia and made the journey up to Rivendell, because El Randeir had already left it that.
01:20:16 --> 01:20:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:17 --> 01:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: He never saw Kemin land and make all of his cheminish, that's an adjective that Saurar and I have it up.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:26 [UNKNOWN]: He made all of his cheminish pronouncements.
01:20:27 --> 01:20:27 [UNKNOWN]: Keminayan.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we're certainly going to get some drama in Pilar gear, aren't we, with a wrong deer going there.
01:20:33 --> 01:20:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, now Theo is left, he had been to a was there, so.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, we can do those things over our future drama is being sort of set up.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:20:44 --> 01:20:52 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I thought the question of Galadriel's loneliness and her secret fear.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:54 [UNKNOWN]: That was interesting, because when they...
01:20:55 --> 01:21:21 [UNKNOWN]: come back and oh daddy you're home from the wars it's so good to see you and everybody oh and they're these all these we even around here has a dog right you notice that but Galadriel has nobody and I was curious about you know the from the very first episode of the very first season we see that Galadriel is somewhat set apart from the other children.
01:21:22 --> 01:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: and that she has some sort of differentness.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:29 [UNKNOWN]: And we see her when she's leading her band, right?
01:21:29 --> 01:21:32 [UNKNOWN]: She's this kind of this like driven commander.
01:21:32 --> 01:21:40 [UNKNOWN]: And so she doesn't really enjoy the fellowship of her company in the same way because she's always driving at this goal.
01:21:40 --> 01:21:46 [UNKNOWN]: So she's a person who is not as connected and embedded with her community.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:48 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, they set up the relationship with,
01:21:49 --> 01:22:15 [UNKNOWN]: uh... what's his name uh... trying blacking his name her husband to help uh... caliber yeah california there's too many california and uh... and uh... it's a it's a silver stuff running around the side effects of the side effects of california i mean we know we know we're martin now gets it from right so anyway no california so yeah it's just a really interesting thing and then to
01:22:17 --> 01:22:21 [UNKNOWN]: set up the relationship with Sauron, where in just the scene before,
01:22:23 --> 01:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: He's told that by himself, functionally, that he's missing a piece of his soul of his machinery of his life.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:32 [UNKNOWN]: He can never form true connection.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:35 [UNKNOWN]: What is a gladrial misconnection?
01:22:36 --> 01:22:37 [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't like being isolated.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:39 [UNKNOWN]: And yet, who is she dreaming about?
01:22:40 --> 01:22:41 [UNKNOWN]: Salron, right?
01:22:41 --> 01:22:48 [UNKNOWN]: And so they have this, there's a connection and an attention between them that they are showing us on screen,
01:22:49 --> 01:22:56 [UNKNOWN]: that there is a connection, whether it's a toxic or positive relationship, you can be the choice of that, you can determine that.
01:22:57 --> 01:23:00 [UNKNOWN]: But they are setting these two characters in a relationship.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:04 [UNKNOWN]: I understood this to mean that the door is shut.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:06 [UNKNOWN]: We heard that at the end of the lesson.
01:23:07 --> 01:23:13 [UNKNOWN]: This is showing that Sauron can still find chinks to wiggle his way into.
01:23:13 --> 01:23:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:23:14 --> 01:23:18 [UNKNOWN]: And that one is more susceptible to such things when one is sleep.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:20 [UNKNOWN]: But what is she?
01:23:21 --> 01:23:21 [UNKNOWN]: She's terrified.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:22 [UNKNOWN]: She's horrified.
01:23:23 --> 01:23:32 [UNKNOWN]: But he's offering her what she wants, which she gets, which she says later in La Thorian in the Jackson movies, when she gets the one ring, I could be a queen, right?
01:23:32 --> 01:23:35 [UNKNOWN]: That secret fear, that secret desire is still with her.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:42 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it was with Saldron because he's quoting lines from their last battle confrontation.
01:23:42 --> 01:23:45 [UNKNOWN]: But he wouldn't quote them unless that was something that he thought was fertile ground with.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:55 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's so wrong is, I think, good at seeing your inner most desire and offering you what you want, right?
01:23:55 --> 01:24:07 [UNKNOWN]: And that is, you know, classic villain trope and I do think that, you know, Galadriel can, you know, it's one thing to say, I'm posing the door, but like, doesn't mean your heart doesn't eat when it's offered to you again.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:11 [UNKNOWN]: Well, along with the wounds that he stabbed you.
01:24:12 --> 01:24:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm foreign, it's not great.
01:24:13 --> 01:24:13 [UNKNOWN]: Work out, it's great.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:24 [UNKNOWN]: I also think that some of the reason for Galadogosliicillation is she's one of the very few California elves left who actually saw the light of the two trees.
01:24:24 --> 01:24:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
01:24:25 --> 01:24:27 [UNKNOWN]: The vast majority of elves did not see that.
01:24:28 --> 01:24:32 [UNKNOWN]: In Middle-earth right now, there's still plenty California back who never left, of course.
01:24:33 --> 01:24:36 [UNKNOWN]: But after that destruction of the two trees,
01:24:39 --> 01:24:54 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's cell A, but they would be deemed quote unquote lesser, and I think that's why I've run there is so in all of her, because he knows this, and he is, you know, quote unquote only a green elf.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:09 [UNKNOWN]: Elvis just not enter into this.
01:25:09 --> 01:25:12 [UNKNOWN]: You talk about my brother.
01:25:13 --> 01:25:17 [UNKNOWN]: I say, uh, interesting dynamic because we see two other brothers.
01:25:19 --> 01:25:24 [UNKNOWN]: And how they do and talk about each other and other people talk about them and all the rest of it.
01:25:25 --> 01:25:27 [UNKNOWN]: It this very first episode.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:25:29 --> 01:25:32 [UNKNOWN]: And then we also get the part of that conversation between
01:25:36 --> 01:26:00 [UNKNOWN]: right and you know do we need to you know the world is burning around us and we're holding our own how far do we get involved we need allies that's a very you know there's some parallels that you could draw to England and World War II absolutely I was just a more show than maybe World War I in the sense of battle of Brit well I'm just thinking of the air war right
01:26:05 --> 01:26:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but the dove was coming to the rescue was just in the next time.
01:26:11 --> 01:26:11 [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
01:26:11 --> 01:26:12 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:26:12 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: So I think it's fairly similar kind of a feeling that, yeah, either we hang together or we all hang separately.
01:26:19 --> 01:26:20 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Benjamin Franklin.
01:26:20 --> 01:26:20 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:25 [UNKNOWN]: And you had a question here, isn't it, canon that Elrond is a healer?
01:26:25 --> 01:26:28 [UNKNOWN]: And yes, he absolutely is a healer by canon.
01:26:29 --> 01:26:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have a whole magic car that says, I'll rod a healer of something.
01:26:32 --> 01:26:39 [UNKNOWN]: So we got to be with Foto gets healed by him right after he gets stuck by the next.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:42 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:47 [UNKNOWN]: And I think enhanced by the power of a ring by that point in the Foto timeline.
01:26:48 --> 01:26:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:26:49 --> 01:26:50 [UNKNOWN]: For sure.
01:26:51 --> 01:26:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:26:53 --> 01:26:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, a lot of
01:26:56 --> 01:27:03 [UNKNOWN]: simmering tensions in Elvin realm, but we have to go to where it's even worse in Polar Gear.
01:27:04 --> 01:27:09 [UNKNOWN]: Kevin and the Numenorian supervised the refugees of the Southlands in Polar Gear.
01:27:10 --> 01:27:18 [UNKNOWN]: Kevin calls it a violin and Theo stops working to read a drop scroll and a Numenorian
01:27:24 --> 01:27:54 [UNKNOWN]: You know, good, I just want to say like, this is one critique I'll have is why didn't you start this last season, this downfall of Theo, I do think they could have done a better job laying the groundwork for I know that they showed darkness with them in season one, especially, but the, the making the new minority in poor role be the reason for it, the reason for the final turn.
01:27:55 --> 01:27:55 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:27:55 --> 01:28:00 [UNKNOWN]: I wish we had had a little bit more groundwork before we just, we seemed for one scene and then he runs off.
01:28:00 --> 01:28:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's a huge heel turn, trimming.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:13 [UNKNOWN]: I've probably this is the thing that I have released belief about at this point because you think of the first season, you know, fighting the orcs, the Amos Killers.
01:28:13 --> 01:28:18 [UNKNOWN]: Mother knowing that the, you know, when the volcano
01:28:24 --> 01:28:44 [UNKNOWN]: a rendezvous calling him the lord of the larguer but it makes no sense to me i mean yes five horrible years he feels frustrated he feels guilty because he can't prevent this colonization and why do we ever see that seeds evil containing its own destruction because
01:28:46 --> 01:28:48 [UNKNOWN]: You might want to aren't going to benefit from this.
01:28:49 --> 01:29:01 [UNKNOWN]: I won't argue with the reaction to his heel turn, but I guess maybe I never had that much faith that he was going to turn out good from the very beginning from a metastand point.
01:29:01 --> 01:29:05 [UNKNOWN]: I guess I was always tracking that he was going to be, he was going to fall prey to the dark side.
01:29:06 --> 01:29:10 [UNKNOWN]: Well to be fair, the very first image we ever see of him, I think, in the posters.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:12 [UNKNOWN]: I think it was he who was holding up.
01:29:14 --> 01:29:18 [UNKNOWN]: the broken half of the dagger, which is the source.
01:29:18 --> 01:29:20 [UNKNOWN]: He slowly sorted it or think, yeah.
01:29:20 --> 01:29:20 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:29:21 --> 01:29:27 [UNKNOWN]: So, and when he first finds it under the floor and he takes it with him, so, yeah, you're not wrong, David.
01:29:27 --> 01:29:29 [UNKNOWN]: He does have that powerful pull in that direction.
01:29:30 --> 01:29:35 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know nothing about his biological father.
01:29:36 --> 01:29:40 [UNKNOWN]: And he doesn't hear to have had any father bringing him up along with brown winds.
01:29:43 --> 01:29:53 [UNKNOWN]: There's still a lot of unanswered questions about him, but the Theo in this five years later is very, very different Theo five years earlier.
01:29:53 --> 01:29:56 [UNKNOWN]: So I hope they give us some more explanation for why this happened.
01:29:57 --> 01:30:00 [UNKNOWN]: Beyond, I'm tired of being whipped.
01:30:01 --> 01:30:05 [UNKNOWN]: You know, and here's something that promises something that he doesn't even flinch.
01:30:05 --> 01:30:06 [UNKNOWN]: He just takes it.
01:30:06 --> 01:30:11 [UNKNOWN]: He just says like, yeah, yeah, well, he's a custom, which in and of itself is a horrible thing.
01:30:13 --> 01:30:13 [UNKNOWN]: In my view.
01:30:14 --> 01:30:24 [UNKNOWN]: The one other thing that I picked up in the scene was the tree felling in the violence, the way that they were photographing or filming the axe.
01:30:26 --> 01:30:27 [UNKNOWN]: Biting into the tree.
01:30:27 --> 01:30:32 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, there's going to be some interaction before the season is over.
01:30:32 --> 01:30:32 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:30:32 --> 01:30:34 [UNKNOWN]: That was the signal I got.
01:30:34 --> 01:30:37 [UNKNOWN]: You know, a lot of people really want to see Kevin get a ring.
01:30:38 --> 01:30:40 [UNKNOWN]: I want to see him squashed by the end.
01:30:42 --> 01:30:46 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he deserves a more powerful ending than that.
01:30:46 --> 01:30:47 [UNKNOWN]: No, I agree.
01:30:47 --> 01:30:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that Kevin is going to be a ring bear because I think he's too pathetic for Sarah, honestly.
01:30:53 --> 01:30:57 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, a lot of people were saying, oh, he wants someone who is servile and all the rest of it.
01:30:58 --> 01:31:00 [UNKNOWN]: No, not according to what we've already seen.
01:31:00 --> 01:31:00 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:31:01 --> 01:31:04 [UNKNOWN]: You know, forcing humans to fight one another to the death.
01:31:05 --> 01:31:07 [UNKNOWN]: I just don't keep it doing that.
01:31:07 --> 01:31:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's going to be the first one to die.
01:31:13 --> 01:31:16 [UNKNOWN]: Right, he has already seen him squirm when threatened.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:19 [UNKNOWN]: And I just don't think that that's around style.
01:31:19 --> 01:31:19 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I question Kevin's capability.
01:31:23 --> 01:31:26 [UNKNOWN]: I think he's the son of a very powerful king.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:29 [UNKNOWN]: And people don't want to get on the wrong side of him.
01:31:29 --> 01:31:30 [UNKNOWN]: And so they obey as orders.
01:31:30 --> 01:31:32 [UNKNOWN]: But Neppo, baby.
01:31:32 --> 01:31:33 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:31:33 --> 01:31:35 [UNKNOWN]: I was just thinking that.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:31:36 --> 01:31:39 [UNKNOWN]: No shade to your any real human beings who are.
01:31:39 --> 01:31:41 [UNKNOWN]: We happen to have famous parades.
01:31:43 --> 01:31:45 [UNKNOWN]: or wealthy parents or powerful parents or whatever.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there are plenty of people who do have those and find people.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:55 [UNKNOWN]: Right, but the thing is you have to be like gracious about it and try to give back to the world for what was given to you.
01:31:55 --> 01:31:56 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:31:56 --> 01:32:01 [UNKNOWN]: Not be Kevin and be people up for not chopping wood fast enough.
01:32:02 --> 01:32:02 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:32:02 --> 01:32:04 [UNKNOWN]: We saw possible.
01:32:05 --> 01:32:11 [UNKNOWN]: hints of a different type of canon in the very first season when he was pushing back on his father.
01:32:12 --> 01:32:16 [UNKNOWN]: And his father just continually trashing at every possible turn.
01:32:16 --> 01:32:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:32:17 --> 01:32:25 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't see how he was expected to develop any kind of confidence or any kind of empathic own abilities or any kind of empathy.
01:32:25 --> 01:32:31 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, I already kind of, you know, I quite clear from the beginning he'd really like to make a connection with her.
01:32:33 --> 01:32:37 [UNKNOWN]: but maybe they'll be showing us more about Cam and Ann about Ann.
01:32:38 --> 01:32:40 [UNKNOWN]: In episodes two, before we'll see.
01:32:40 --> 01:32:42 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, two, four.
01:32:42 --> 01:32:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:32:45 --> 01:32:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we have plenty of talk to plenty to talk about in the next scene, because it's going to be a combination of a bunch of things happening in the Dwarven Warv realm of Kazadoum.
01:32:55 --> 01:32:56 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, Dwarves.
01:32:57 --> 01:33:00 [UNKNOWN]: Elran goes to Kazadoum and receives new blades
01:33:03 --> 01:33:05 [UNKNOWN]: who promises more in a few days.
01:33:06 --> 01:33:10 [UNKNOWN]: Elron fears the Thrain plans to contest Doran's claim to the kingship.
01:33:11 --> 01:33:15 [UNKNOWN]: Gil Gallid offered to back Doran's claim but the dwarf declines.
01:33:16 --> 01:33:21 [UNKNOWN]: Disa leads a chaotic effort by her family to prepare for the visit of Thrain's dwarves among others.
01:33:23 --> 01:33:25 [UNKNOWN]: Disa believes Threen wants rings.
01:33:26 --> 01:33:44 [UNKNOWN]: They welcome Lord Balber the Beardless, Lord Faror and Lady Faraya the Fair of the Blue Mountains, and finally Threen brings him cause of doom, but wait, he's failed to arrive, and Nervy is sent to retrieve him from the friends he's fallen in with.
01:33:45 --> 01:33:52 [UNKNOWN]: Thrain refuses and desecloses all the ends and brings the hell to the Great Hall baller move.
01:33:52 --> 01:33:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:33:53 --> 01:33:56 [UNKNOWN]: Thrain finally arrives and bows to Doran to get his hell.
01:33:57 --> 01:34:01 [UNKNOWN]: The Dwarven lords demand their rings, but Doran explains they were touched by Sauron.
01:34:02 --> 01:34:10 [UNKNOWN]: Desa promises to compensate the lords as they destroy them which leads them to more anger and Thrain surprisingly backs the word of his king.
01:34:10 --> 01:34:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was a stunner, wasn't it?
01:34:13 --> 01:34:18 [UNKNOWN]: After the Lord's leave, Threen asked what really happened to their father, and over a game of dice, Doran tells him.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:26 [UNKNOWN]: Doran put the books Threen gave their father in the empty casket, that they buried his memory with.
01:34:26 --> 01:34:28 [UNKNOWN]: Threen promises Doran can trust him.
01:34:29 --> 01:34:33 [UNKNOWN]: Disa tells Doran to go to Narvey along with a set of bat wings.
01:34:34 --> 01:34:40 [UNKNOWN]: When Doran leaves, Disa tells Thrain, basically cut the crap.
01:34:41 --> 01:34:50 [UNKNOWN]: When Thrain finds out Doran is applying the elves, the two wrestle right into the range of an orc, which we now know, is our friend, Martin.
01:34:51 --> 01:34:55 [UNKNOWN]: And he says he has no one, so I could save Middle Earth.
01:34:56 --> 01:35:01 [UNKNOWN]: Can I just say, um, I, it was the boots, not the books.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:04 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was, I thought it was books for some reason.
01:35:04 --> 01:35:06 [UNKNOWN]: I guess it was the way he was saying it.
01:35:06 --> 01:35:07 [UNKNOWN]: It was a stat, it was all right.
01:35:08 --> 01:35:11 [UNKNOWN]: I'll, I'll change the outline to say boots now.
01:35:12 --> 01:35:15 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I figured you'd rather be added by me than by 15 other.
01:35:15 --> 01:35:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I agree.
01:35:18 --> 01:35:20 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, a lot, a lot here.
01:35:20 --> 01:35:29 [UNKNOWN]: And like, I think we talked about before, really, the dialogue in this section was such a refreshing moment after a lot of darkness in this episode.
01:35:30 --> 01:35:37 [UNKNOWN]: You have, you have the serious moments where Doran says, time crawls for elves and mountains, Elrond, for the rest of us, it's bounding away.
01:35:37 --> 01:35:40 [UNKNOWN]: And then two minutes later, he's going, Owl, these hearts!
01:35:43 --> 01:35:45 [UNKNOWN]: Both great lines each in their proper location.
01:35:46 --> 01:35:51 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't realize that Thrine is the older brother and I thought, well, why is that?
01:35:51 --> 01:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, we find out why because he's a sought.
01:35:55 --> 01:35:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, what do you see why he was not chosen?
01:35:58 --> 01:35:58 [UNKNOWN]: Drunken.
01:35:58 --> 01:36:15 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he was a, oh, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a
01:36:17 --> 01:36:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I love the Nardfee Stairmaster Marathon.
01:36:21 --> 01:36:22 [UNKNOWN]: That was funny.
01:36:22 --> 01:36:23 [UNKNOWN]: That was good guy.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's a basic gag.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:28 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's a noises off kind of thing.
01:36:28 --> 01:36:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's sort of a quasi-slapsic.
01:36:31 --> 01:36:36 [UNKNOWN]: but it worked, it worked, you know, it's a stupid joke, but it worked, it was funny.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:50 [UNKNOWN]: And it added some levity in what was a lot of tension that was wrapping up, especially teenager tension and secret weapons, delivery tension and overbearing brother tension coming up.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:53 [UNKNOWN]: It was a nice way to balance out the humor, so to speak.
01:36:55 --> 01:36:58 [UNKNOWN]: And as soon as Throne says to do it, and you contrast to the, I thought,
01:36:59 --> 01:37:05 [UNKNOWN]: Any time somebody tells you you can trust them don't trust them You have to prove it, right?
01:37:05 --> 01:37:07 [UNKNOWN]: You can't just be like, yeah, trust me.
01:37:08 --> 01:37:24 [UNKNOWN]: So when Disa's walking away from the gaming table after during his already left What is train do he he's back there behind the Disa's visually blocking, but he sort of reaches over to the game board
01:37:25 --> 01:37:28 [UNKNOWN]: And it was like, oh, yeah, bro is cheating, right?
01:37:28 --> 01:37:31 [UNKNOWN]: And then the chess or tables or whatever.
01:37:31 --> 01:37:32 [UNKNOWN]: Whatever that is, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37:32 --> 01:37:35 [UNKNOWN]: But what a brilliant way to tell that story, right?
01:37:35 --> 01:37:37 [UNKNOWN]: The way that he's like, well, don't cheat.
01:37:37 --> 01:37:38 [UNKNOWN]: He goes, why would I cheat?
01:37:38 --> 01:37:39 [UNKNOWN]: He goes, well, you always cheat.
01:37:39 --> 01:37:47 [UNKNOWN]: And we're like, okay, you are now telling me, you're showing me really with, with, you know, exposition that is not, you know, in my face.
01:37:48 --> 01:37:50 [UNKNOWN]: That this is a person you can't trust.
01:37:50 --> 01:37:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:37:52 --> 01:37:57 [UNKNOWN]: And then it they pay it off really quickly when he comes up and confronts the weapons delivered.
01:37:57 --> 01:38:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but isn't it interesting that he and D. said Yeah, he had a torch for her.
01:38:02 --> 01:38:08 [UNKNOWN]: I doesn't sound like she maybe she struck a match for him and said blow it out
01:38:09 --> 01:38:19 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, you're young, you, you know, and he's a king's son, and, you know, he might have been flashy and fun at the beginning, and she realized that he was just a hollow chocolate bunny.
01:38:20 --> 01:38:33 [UNKNOWN]: And maybe, maybe one of the reasons why the older king built and treated her like a daughter, was because she had seen the difference between his two sons.
01:38:33 --> 01:38:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:38:33 --> 01:38:36 [UNKNOWN]: New the value of the second son, and, you know,
01:38:38 --> 01:38:41 [UNKNOWN]: but no question, but that Thrine was going to inherit.
01:38:43 --> 01:38:46 [UNKNOWN]: But she married Doran anyway, because he was fired at war.
01:38:46 --> 01:38:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:38:47 --> 01:38:49 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think Freya had her beard done?
01:38:49 --> 01:38:52 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think that's a prosthetic beard?
01:38:52 --> 01:38:54 [UNKNOWN]: The great... Are those beard extensions?
01:38:55 --> 01:38:56 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it was so...
01:38:57 --> 01:38:59 [UNKNOWN]: curled and whatever.
01:39:00 --> 01:39:07 [UNKNOWN]: I don't see how you can do that with beard hair, but who knows maybe female feminine beard hair is more flexible.
01:39:07 --> 01:39:09 [UNKNOWN]: We don't have the science to get to the bottom of this.
01:39:10 --> 01:39:10 [UNKNOWN]: We don't.
01:39:10 --> 01:39:18 [UNKNOWN]: And frankly, all the female feminine shins I've ever seen with hairs, the hairs are not silky and soft and easily curlable.
01:39:18 --> 01:39:19 [UNKNOWN]: Let's just say that.
01:39:20 --> 01:39:21 [UNKNOWN]: But have you ever met a dwarf?
01:39:23 --> 01:39:23 [UNKNOWN]: I have not.
01:39:24 --> 01:39:25 [UNKNOWN]: Well, in there we go.
01:39:26 --> 01:39:27 [UNKNOWN]: I'm speaking hypothetically, John.
01:39:27 --> 01:39:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's upon what little scraps of evidence we have.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:34 [UNKNOWN]: I found it very interesting.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:45 [UNKNOWN]: We have two sets of brothers, distrusting one another, and then income is marginal.
01:39:49 --> 01:39:52 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to forget which one it was, now it's due for a back.
01:39:53 --> 01:39:59 [UNKNOWN]: Eldest and Eldest on thing, perhaps that one of, but anyway, carry on, maybe I'll find it, my notes.
01:40:01 --> 01:40:05 [UNKNOWN]: The only other thing I was going to mention here, well two things really quick.
01:40:06 --> 01:40:15 [UNKNOWN]: I did feel the hand or the, you know, the eye of Jackson when Elrond was writing up the mountain side there, so that felt very much like the climbing the mountain.
01:40:15 --> 01:40:21 [UNKNOWN]: And then knocking on the door and I kept waiting for the creature in the water to pop up.
01:40:22 --> 01:40:28 [UNKNOWN]: But was the idea of supplying weapons to your allies in secret or not?
01:40:28 --> 01:40:42 [UNKNOWN]: So I was thinking about, you know, lend-least and, you know, how much, just recently watched a bunch of documentary stuff about the Roosevelt's and World War II and some Cold War stuff, how much the American,
01:40:43 --> 01:41:01 [UNKNOWN]: Industrial capacity was used to fund or to supply not only the English and the allies, but also the Russians during World War II, and how important it is to have that ally that is not being assailed by the enemy.
01:41:02 --> 01:41:12 [UNKNOWN]: and has the production capacity to supply weapons at a quite a clip, because even swords need to be replaced quite often in big battles.
01:41:13 --> 01:41:22 [UNKNOWN]: And so to have the doors supplying the elves in that way, that is a very important strategic element of them being able to withstand more
01:41:23 --> 01:41:29 [UNKNOWN]: and I didn't realize that it's actually like Doran's during it in secret, but he's the king.
01:41:29 --> 01:41:32 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, I'm a little confused at what the motivations are there.
01:41:32 --> 01:41:34 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's a king, but Elvand is a fish.
01:41:39 --> 01:41:41 [UNKNOWN]: Again, we'll play.
01:41:41 --> 01:41:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, we're working back to Jordan's explanation as to why he refuses the help of Gil Gallaud.
01:41:50 --> 01:41:53 [UNKNOWN]: He says, you don't hire a fish, just stroke a fire.
01:41:55 --> 01:41:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't.
01:41:57 --> 01:41:58 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:41:59 --> 01:42:01 [UNKNOWN]: And then Elbron asks, am I the fish?
01:42:03 --> 01:42:23 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, again, it's just a playing a bunch of good war, you know, I'll call them tropes in the best possible sense of elements that are being replayed here, but allies, supply of weapons, and this all just falls back into the, into the war story that is Lord of the Rings.
01:42:23 --> 01:42:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can tell.
01:42:25 --> 01:42:29 [UNKNOWN]: Very, FDR trying to avoid getting into World War II, but still
01:42:33 --> 01:42:35 [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't ever want to be face to face to any of these choices.
01:42:36 --> 01:42:36 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:42:36 --> 01:42:43 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, I can hardly blame anybody else by the same kind of thing.
01:42:47 --> 01:42:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's funny because I thought we were going to talk about the section a while, but there's actually not that much plot.
01:42:54 --> 01:42:59 [UNKNOWN]: It's more just comedy and machibes and I like, I like that we have that.
01:42:59 --> 01:43:08 [UNKNOWN]: Because we need some of that, uh, we talk about another show is how we've kind of lost with this eight episode structure, the the traveling road show, right?
01:43:08 --> 01:43:13 [UNKNOWN]: The, um, you know, just getting, getting to know our characters in not plot dependent way.
01:43:14 --> 01:43:18 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think that's also where there had dropped all four episodes today.
01:43:18 --> 01:43:29 [UNKNOWN]: But the thing that I liked the most about that this section was very simply, in a matter of minutes, I have a complete understanding of mine's character.
01:43:30 --> 01:43:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:43:31 --> 01:43:35 [UNKNOWN]: So many bits of backstory that just boom, boom, boom, boom.
01:43:36 --> 01:43:37 [UNKNOWN]: And again, that the show don't tell.
01:43:38 --> 01:43:43 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, let's go to our last scene that I'm calling changing battle lides, but I don't know if that's We're almost finished.
01:43:43 --> 01:43:43 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:43:43 --> 01:43:44 [UNKNOWN]: It's crazy.
01:43:44 --> 01:43:46 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, only an hour and 45 minutes.
01:43:46 --> 01:43:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we're efficient.
01:43:48 --> 01:43:48 [UNKNOWN]: We're professionals.
01:43:49 --> 01:43:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:43:49 --> 01:43:50 [UNKNOWN]: We know how to get through our talking points.
01:43:50 --> 01:43:51 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my goodness.
01:43:51 --> 01:43:53 [UNKNOWN]: You said to me, you consolidated so much of this.
01:43:53 --> 01:43:54 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, yeah, I learned my lessons.
01:43:57 --> 01:44:02 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, so Guild Gallad and Kirdon have both seen the same orc, which you know is marnu.
01:44:03 --> 01:44:08 [UNKNOWN]: Through the power of the rings, they know he is important but do not know which way he will push fate.
01:44:09 --> 01:44:14 [UNKNOWN]: They look at the map where Sauron has recruited Lossoth from the north and Haradrim from the south.
01:44:14 --> 01:44:16 [UNKNOWN]: They expect him to go to Roon next.
01:44:17 --> 01:44:20 [UNKNOWN]: We then see Sauron armoring his new Naznigul.
01:44:21 --> 01:44:38 [UNKNOWN]: The elves hope for another power that can help them with Stan Sauron, and we see the stranger Gandalf, Gandalf, Kamul informs Sauron about the wizard, and Sauron says, I'll take care again, off myself.
01:44:39 --> 01:44:51 [UNKNOWN]: A group of men from Balargir, including Theo, promised to leader a billion against Numanar if granted rings, Sauron again offers only one, Theo grabs the dagger and we cut to black.
01:44:51 --> 01:44:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, good ending, I think.
01:44:54 --> 01:44:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:44:56 --> 01:44:59 [UNKNOWN]: Certainly providing fertile ground for discussion.
01:44:59 --> 01:44:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:00 --> 01:45:05 [UNKNOWN]: It might have been a cheap cliffhanger if it wasn't the same day drop as the next episode.
01:45:05 --> 01:45:16 [UNKNOWN]: Mmm, yeah, I think I think so, you know, I'm really glad that, you know, the, the name, Howrod Rim has found they come up because they've been throwing those, uh, Olifods around.
01:45:17 --> 01:45:18 [UNKNOWN]: The clips in the trailers.
01:45:18 --> 01:45:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the moment kill.
01:45:19 --> 01:45:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:20 --> 01:45:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:21 --> 01:45:28 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll see, but I don't know, maybe they will wind up and run as well, but maybe they are trying to be a little more careful about that.
01:45:29 --> 01:45:32 [UNKNOWN]: I have to say that one thing as a, uh,
01:45:36 --> 01:45:56 [UNKNOWN]: seeing the world being built out in the east in the south in the north like i'm like oh wow because in the movies you're just like wait what there's other people other places of course there are exactly but we just never had a POV on any of that we never had any story connection into it and now three seasons in you know the start of the third season in i feel like oh
01:45:57 --> 01:46:02 [UNKNOWN]: This world is pretty big and there's a lot of people in a lot of places, thousands of years old.
01:46:02 --> 01:46:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm actually finally starting to get an appreciation for these extra aspects that were only ever presented very flatly, you know, two dimensionally in the movies really.
01:46:15 --> 01:46:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's also, you know, you can see how the West is really the last refuge of elves, right?
01:46:21 --> 01:46:28 [UNKNOWN]: We are always told that that's the last refuge of elves is in the West, and all three other directions are now turning against them.
01:46:29 --> 01:46:31 [UNKNOWN]: That is a tough position to be coming from.
01:46:31 --> 01:46:32 [UNKNOWN]: For sure.
01:46:32 --> 01:46:33 [UNKNOWN]: Even if you're else.
01:46:33 --> 01:46:39 [UNKNOWN]: You're surrounded now, and they're doing a good job of showing, you know, how dire situation is becoming.
01:46:40 --> 01:46:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, to be fair, um, new menore just kept itself to itself, so who the elves?
01:46:48 --> 01:46:59 [UNKNOWN]: How are all the other human populations scattered throughout the breadth of the Middle Earth supposed to know anything about the good side versus the bad side, if you hear it or I said that way?
01:47:00 --> 01:47:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as we all know, if you educate the voters, I always do the right thing.
01:47:03 --> 01:47:07 [UNKNOWN]: Um, perfect information.
01:47:10 --> 01:47:22 [UNKNOWN]: But, you know, I didn't, of course, when Newman or comes to Middle-earth in this age, they are doing horrible things, or at least at this part of this age, you know, and we talked about it in the second age podcast, which you can get in your season pass.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:27 [UNKNOWN]: We talked about how the Newman audience earlier on were like Kings Among Men, right?
01:47:27 --> 01:47:28 [UNKNOWN]: They were, they were the ones,
01:47:29 --> 01:47:47 [UNKNOWN]: helping middle-earth men and using men as a race, meaning human to get technology and to figure out how to make more food to there's no starvation and they were really like doing the right thing and plug your is a relic of that and now they're coming back and they're using it to do evil.
01:47:48 --> 01:47:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I like the fact that they did at least have that one ghost of good new minorities passed.
01:47:55 --> 01:47:58 [UNKNOWN]: And the technology mentioned with the aqueducts and all the rest of it.
01:47:58 --> 01:48:13 [UNKNOWN]: So at least you know, particularly if you are familiar with the Lord all, you know that, yes, there are once were good new minorities, and maybe I'm wondering if this is some of the tensions that are going to develop with elders and elder
01:48:15 --> 01:48:22 [UNKNOWN]: because how much just out on no about the current state of New and North, he knows the male is no longer ruler.
01:48:23 --> 01:48:26 [UNKNOWN]: Nevertheless, I mean, these are the descendants of his brother.
01:48:27 --> 01:48:30 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, a bro, what were you doing?
01:48:30 --> 01:48:31 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:48:31 --> 01:48:33 [UNKNOWN]: Why are these people, you know, turning this way?
01:48:35 --> 01:48:41 [UNKNOWN]: Perhaps we'll get some more interesting conversation about the different fates of human.
01:48:42 --> 01:48:52 [UNKNOWN]: And then there's what we know, which is the last alliance of men and elves at the, you know, in the movies, like we know where the point is that the humans and the elves have to cut together.
01:48:53 --> 01:48:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, but it's someone in the distance here.
01:48:57 --> 01:49:24 [UNKNOWN]: right exactly and we've got rough terrain to get over we've got stuff to deal with to to get there so that's and it's probably not even uh uh even in an alliance it doesn't have to be rainbows and unicorns you could have alliances with people that you don't really feel all that great about but you you need to so well unfortunately i think all of the the human populations that are designed to throw their lot in with sails on will eventually find out
01:49:27 --> 01:49:28 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:49:28 --> 01:49:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, once you're in.
01:49:29 --> 01:49:35 [UNKNOWN]: Once you're in, um, although I question the whole thing with a loss off.
01:49:35 --> 01:49:40 [UNKNOWN]: So say more about the loss arc, as I know we mentioned them and they're mentioned in the show, but who are they?
01:49:40 --> 01:49:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, John, aren't they the ones who saved the ring of battle here from the last king of our
01:49:49 --> 01:49:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's a great question.
01:49:51 --> 01:49:56 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't do a deep dive on the lawsuit, but I'll get you your, we'll do that.
01:49:56 --> 01:50:00 [UNKNOWN]: We don't need a whole workout for that, but I'll get the answer before next episode.
01:50:01 --> 01:50:15 [UNKNOWN]: No, listeners, I do know that in the Northern Kingdom, this is in the third age, the last king of our North, the Northern Kingdom, which by that time was three kingdoms sailed north into the ice pack.
01:50:17 --> 01:50:21 [UNKNOWN]: And the people of the Lossoth didn't look at all like the people we saw here.
01:50:21 --> 01:50:28 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they were sort of proto-inuit types, or possibly Sami, or also indigenous peoples.
01:50:30 --> 01:50:32 [UNKNOWN]: And they were, it's the whole unfortunate.
01:50:33 --> 01:50:58 [UNKNOWN]: colonizer thing of, oh, big bird sitting in the ice, you must not go on that because evil sorcerer will cause the weather to kill you, whatever, in any case, the only thing that the last king had to offer in payment for them taking them in and sheltering them at feeding them and so forth was the ring of battle here, and he said at the time,
01:50:59 --> 01:51:04 [UNKNOWN]: You know, anybody from my people will redeem this for whatever you want because it's a treasure beyond price.
01:51:04 --> 01:51:08 [UNKNOWN]: And that's how it was survived long enough for out-of-one to eventually pair it up.
01:51:09 --> 01:51:18 [UNKNOWN]: But these people that they've been showing us really don't look like, don't listen off to me based on that particular lore.
01:51:19 --> 01:51:41 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, before we see one episode, so I'm willing to waffo watch and we haven't brought that out in a while, waffo, watch and find out the remind me about the rings to the rings give them some prescience or some ability to see a little bit into the future.
01:51:49 --> 01:51:56 [UNKNOWN]: So last season, Gilgala got an image of a bunch of fish flapping wildly in a river that had suddenly run dry.
01:51:56 --> 01:51:57 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:51:57 --> 01:51:59 [UNKNOWN]: And that was what indicated to him.
01:51:59 --> 01:52:00 [UNKNOWN]: OK, yeah.
01:52:00 --> 01:52:01 [UNKNOWN]: Emplegion is in trouble.
01:52:03 --> 01:52:15 [UNKNOWN]: So like we're saying earlier on in this podcast episode, the problem with predictive machines, I will use that word, is that you have to interpret.
01:52:16 --> 01:52:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:52:17 --> 01:52:24 [UNKNOWN]: and so it's nice that the two of them are together and I'm so glad the killer don't appears to be getting a little bit more action this season.
01:52:24 --> 01:52:24 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:52:25 --> 01:52:28 [UNKNOWN]: They can compare notes because they both got the same image.
01:52:29 --> 01:52:32 [UNKNOWN]: And their first question is, why show us one word?
01:52:32 --> 01:52:37 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I guess this is going to be an important work but to our benefit or to our detriment.
01:52:38 --> 01:52:40 [UNKNOWN]: Right, who's on the other end of that transmission?
01:52:40 --> 01:52:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:41 --> 01:52:42 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think,
01:52:45 --> 01:53:02 [UNKNOWN]: I think it could still be for lack of a better term a helping power, because they could send this vision without the underlying text of this is how helpful thing to know or this is watch out for this dude he's going to harm you.
01:53:02 --> 01:53:08 [UNKNOWN]: So it doesn't have to be a deceptive image, just still be an image that has to be interpreted.
01:53:10 --> 01:53:18 [UNKNOWN]: But then what Eddies and currents of the structure of the universe have pushed out that particular image, right?
01:53:19 --> 01:53:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like that, begs the question of design or intent in the structure of creation.
01:53:27 --> 01:53:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, Eldor doesn't just sing song, he's an artist, he can paint pictures and images and Lorian who is the one that Lothlornian is named after the realm of dreams, he can send dreams and divisions to people in middle earth.
01:53:48 --> 01:53:51 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure there's other examples that are not coming to mind immediately, but it's not unheard of.
01:53:52 --> 01:53:59 [UNKNOWN]: Olimo, the god of waters, you know, with all the rivers and streams and every single bit of flowing water, he can send messages.
01:54:00 --> 01:54:06 [UNKNOWN]: Now, if they're you, the message of coming through their rings, which is, of course, a show.
01:54:07 --> 01:54:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, item.
01:54:08 --> 01:54:08 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:54:09 --> 01:54:09 [UNKNOWN]: That's the last.
01:54:17 --> 01:54:23 [UNKNOWN]: what kind of Goethea, Elvish magic power, or it was put into those rings.
01:54:25 --> 01:54:30 [UNKNOWN]: And they're still keeping that pretty hand, will not hand-way be so much as they're keeping it obscure.
01:54:32 --> 01:54:39 [UNKNOWN]: So, in a sense, that leaves the show when it's free to say, oh, yeah, I'll can do this today of, I'm not upset with how they're using them at this point.
01:54:39 --> 01:54:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm particularly not challenging it.
01:54:41 --> 01:54:45 [UNKNOWN]: Just, I don't know, yeah, further inquisition.
01:54:45 --> 01:54:50 [UNKNOWN]: And it will be interesting to see their own understandings of how these might work.
01:54:50 --> 01:54:55 [UNKNOWN]: We don't get anything that I can remember about how Gil Gallez ring was useful.
01:54:57 --> 01:54:59 [UNKNOWN]: in the books, in the books.
01:54:59 --> 01:55:02 [UNKNOWN]: We just know we had it and then he gave it spoilers on.
01:55:04 --> 01:55:12 [UNKNOWN]: And Eldron presumably used it to help set up Rivendale as a place of safety.
01:55:13 --> 01:55:14 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:55:14 --> 01:55:15 [UNKNOWN]: But it's the ring of air.
01:55:15 --> 01:55:18 [UNKNOWN]: So does that mean, you know, water is associated with healing.
01:55:18 --> 01:55:20 [UNKNOWN]: I do think that they get a good choice.
01:55:20 --> 01:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: The loud that it was ring is much
01:55:23 --> 01:55:26 [UNKNOWN]: even though Elvron is more famous for being the healer.
01:55:26 --> 01:55:49 [UNKNOWN]: It gets all kind of, you know, wibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibib
01:55:50 --> 01:55:51 [UNKNOWN]: So we've done it.
01:55:51 --> 01:55:57 [UNKNOWN]: I think we've we've entered Middle Earth again and we had some great conversations going through this episode.
01:55:57 --> 01:55:59 [UNKNOWN]: I'm excited to watch the next episode.
01:55:59 --> 01:56:02 [UNKNOWN]: So we are going to get these out as fast as we can.
01:56:03 --> 01:56:10 [UNKNOWN]: where at least once a week I'm going to say, but we'll see if we can go a little faster than that.
01:56:11 --> 01:56:18 [UNKNOWN]: And we will be doing, like we said, full recaps of everything in addition to some lorecast that we're going to put out.
01:56:19 --> 01:56:21 [UNKNOWN]: Don't forget to check out the season pass.
01:56:22 --> 01:56:26 [UNKNOWN]: If you are listening on the public feed and you want bonus content or that show guide, you can read that
01:56:31 --> 01:56:34 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, you can read that with the pictures that I put in the literature.
01:56:34 --> 01:56:35 [UNKNOWN]: Ooh, it's a great time.
01:56:36 --> 01:56:39 [UNKNOWN]: So check that out at, that's linked in the show notes.
01:56:39 --> 01:56:44 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, you'll also get rings and rituals season two on that season pass.
01:56:45 --> 01:56:50 [UNKNOWN]: And, uh, I think we mentioned earlier and I have set up, uh, you will get a discount.
01:56:50 --> 01:56:55 [UNKNOWN]: If you were a season two subscriber to the season pass, you will get a discount going into season three.
01:56:55 --> 01:56:57 [UNKNOWN]: That should be active on your account right now.
01:56:58 --> 01:56:59 [UNKNOWN]: We're so generous.
01:57:00 --> 01:57:03 [UNKNOWN]: my precious.
01:57:05 --> 01:57:05 [UNKNOWN]: Network news, David.
01:57:06 --> 01:57:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's go on in the land of the Lorehounds.
01:57:10 --> 01:57:17 [UNKNOWN]: Joan and Alicia are about to wrap up their coverage of Vision Quest and from what I'm seeing.
01:57:17 --> 01:57:19 [UNKNOWN]: I have not yet had a chance to see the episode.
01:57:20 --> 01:57:22 [UNKNOWN]: The episodes myself, the season is only just now.
01:57:22 --> 01:57:23 [UNKNOWN]: Finish the silo.
01:57:25 --> 01:57:29 [UNKNOWN]: But apparently, it is quite a good season of television.
01:57:29 --> 01:57:35 [UNKNOWN]: So Jean and Alisha have you covered on that.
01:57:35 --> 01:57:38 [UNKNOWN]: So check out that on our main feed.
01:57:38 --> 01:57:42 [UNKNOWN]: Dove 71, community co-host dove, and I just
01:57:42 --> 01:57:48 [UNKNOWN]: completed a big episode on Aliens, the 1986 movie.
01:57:48 --> 01:57:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's the 40th anniversary.
01:57:49 --> 01:57:50 [UNKNOWN]: We had a great conversation.
01:57:50 --> 01:58:01 [UNKNOWN]: We dove into, it's less a film review and more talking about the Maddox and big ideas that are embedded in there.
01:58:02 --> 01:58:06 [UNKNOWN]: Lots of conversation about power, power width, power over those kinds of things.
01:58:06 --> 01:58:09 [UNKNOWN]: So Marilyn, you were living in my head during that podcast.
01:58:09 --> 01:58:10 [UNKNOWN]: It was a lot of fun.
01:58:12 --> 01:58:14 [UNKNOWN]: see where you cleaned up after yourself.
01:58:14 --> 01:58:18 [UNKNOWN]: You left a five star rating on the the Airbnb review.
01:58:19 --> 01:58:22 [UNKNOWN]: We are doing a community relative to this being published.
01:58:22 --> 01:58:24 [UNKNOWN]: This coming Saturday.
01:58:24 --> 01:58:24 [UNKNOWN]: What is the date?
01:58:24 --> 01:58:27 [UNKNOWN]: The 14th, I believe.
01:58:27 --> 01:58:28 [UNKNOWN]: I got to get the calendar open.
01:58:29 --> 01:58:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, Saturday the 14th of November, 2026.
01:58:33 --> 01:58:39 [UNKNOWN]: We're doing a community live watch of aliens of the 1986 movie on the Discord.
01:58:39 --> 01:58:40 [UNKNOWN]: So you've got to be on the
01:58:41 --> 01:58:49 [UNKNOWN]: There's an event in there, and the very top of the little menu stuff, there's a thing for an event, and we're going to be watching the movie together.
01:58:49 --> 01:58:52 [UNKNOWN]: Dov and I will be on camera, and everybody else will be talking with folks in the chat.
01:58:52 --> 01:59:01 [UNKNOWN]: So, stop on by if you want to enjoy some chat about a 40-year-old action horror movie.
01:59:01 --> 01:59:03 [UNKNOWN]: I guess I don't know something like that, really cool.
01:59:05 --> 01:59:24 [UNKNOWN]: at the end of this quest of their Amazon's release schedule, they are dropping all eight episodes of the new Blade Runner 299 television show and Ron Dawson from Dunst in the Doorags and I, he and I are going to be doing a one shot on that, so keep your eyes out for that.
01:59:25 --> 01:59:26 [UNKNOWN]: I've got various movie coverage coming up.
01:59:26 --> 01:59:42 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously we have the three part godzilla series two parts are already out in the neat and I recording tomorrow relative to this for minus zero podcast and then obviously we have doomsay coming up and doing three john there's movement of foot for you can see everything.
01:59:43 --> 01:59:45 [UNKNOWN]: We have to talk about that movie.
01:59:45 --> 01:59:45 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:59:45 --> 01:59:48 [UNKNOWN]: Why would I deceive you?
01:59:48 --> 01:59:51 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just trying to connect with you as one human being.
01:59:51 --> 01:59:54 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, probably Howard's got some new stuff cooking.
01:59:54 --> 01:59:55 [UNKNOWN]: They just dropped something the other day.
01:59:55 --> 02:00:01 [UNKNOWN]: I have not had a chance to listen to it, but they are, um, I believe they're starting their new series, but there's something new in their feed.
02:00:02 --> 02:00:06 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, our friends over at Dungeon do Rags, they've been covering carry.
02:00:06 --> 02:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: and a little bit of vision quest, but I believe they're going to be talking about rings of power as well.
02:00:10 --> 02:00:17 [UNKNOWN]: So, uh, check them out and then of course Mark and Nicole continue on with never mind the music.
02:00:18 --> 02:00:19 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we did it folks.
02:00:20 --> 02:00:27 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I'm excited to see everything going on this season and uh, I hope everyone will join us elsewhere on the network.
02:00:27 --> 02:00:28 [UNKNOWN]: You know something else that we forgot to mention?
02:00:29 --> 02:00:29 [UNKNOWN]: What?
02:00:30 --> 02:00:32 [UNKNOWN]: Marilyn and Alicia are going to be covering Percy Jackson.
02:00:33 --> 02:00:33 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's very
02:00:37 --> 02:00:40 [UNKNOWN]: My daughter, they read that for the first part of sixth grade.
02:00:41 --> 02:00:43 [UNKNOWN]: And so she's been reading, she's been listening.
02:00:43 --> 02:00:47 [UNKNOWN]: She found the really great podcast about Greek mythology that she's been listening to.
02:00:47 --> 02:00:47 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, excellent.
02:00:48 --> 02:00:51 [UNKNOWN]: And she brought home a book the other day about her means.
02:00:51 --> 02:00:53 [UNKNOWN]: So she's really getting into the Greek gods.
02:00:53 --> 02:00:54 [UNKNOWN]: But interesting.
02:00:54 --> 02:00:55 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah.
02:00:55 --> 02:01:05 [UNKNOWN]: But you guys are, well, Percy Jackson has now cemented in the minds of thousands of school aged children because they're using it as a primary text in like sixth grade now, all across the country.
02:01:06 --> 02:01:07 [UNKNOWN]: Good point.
02:01:07 --> 02:01:07 [UNKNOWN]: Good point.
02:01:08 --> 02:01:12 [UNKNOWN]: And we're going to have a lovely story about Jean's son, he.
02:01:14 --> 02:01:15 [UNKNOWN]: Save it for the pot.
02:01:15 --> 02:01:18 [UNKNOWN]: We'll save it for the pot, but I did want to tease it, so.
02:01:18 --> 02:01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Very good.
02:01:19 --> 02:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: And you guys are doing a three part coverage, a beginning, a middle, and an end to sort of.
02:01:23 --> 02:01:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
02:01:24 --> 02:01:27 [UNKNOWN]: Because between, you know, brings the power and everything.
02:01:27 --> 02:01:34 [UNKNOWN]: Because all series are piling into November, December territory, presumably for award season reasons.
02:01:37 --> 02:01:38 [UNKNOWN]: the life of a podcaster.
02:01:38 --> 02:01:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it'd be fun to do each episode because I think it could carry that treatment.
02:01:42 --> 02:01:44 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it would be overdoing.
02:01:44 --> 02:01:46 [UNKNOWN]: But we didn't do it last time.
02:01:46 --> 02:01:47 [UNKNOWN]: We're not doing it this time.
02:01:47 --> 02:01:48 [UNKNOWN]: But you got coverage coming up.
02:01:48 --> 02:01:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you do.
02:01:49 --> 02:01:53 [UNKNOWN]: And you could listen to our earlier coverage of seasons one and two together on a one.
02:01:53 --> 02:01:54 [UNKNOWN]: Fibulous.
02:01:54 --> 02:01:55 [UNKNOWN]: If you wanted to do that.
02:01:55 --> 02:01:56 [UNKNOWN]: John, should we thank the people?
02:01:58 --> 02:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: I would love to thank the people, but not before Marilyn.
02:02:02 --> 02:02:05 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it'd be fun to do it for, I guess this is my only
02:02:07 --> 02:02:13 [UNKNOWN]: We are so grateful to everybody who contributes, but we have particularly to thank our community volunteers.
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02:02:37 --> 02:02:38 [UNKNOWN]: It gave the hammer.
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02:03:54 --> 02:03:55 [UNKNOWN]: Fantastic.
02:03:55 --> 02:04:01 [UNKNOWN]: You've read the full scroll, and I'm excited for next episode.
02:04:01 --> 02:04:02 [UNKNOWN]: So let's get a move on.
02:04:02 --> 02:04:03 [UNKNOWN]: So we can start watching, guys.
02:04:05 --> 02:04:06 [UNKNOWN]: All right, see you next week.
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