David, John, and Marilyn recap Season 3, Episode 2 of The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power on Prime Video. They discuss neutrality in war, doing what is right even when it is hard, and Tolkien's views on faith and the gift of men.
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00:19 --> 00:22 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome to the Rings of Power podcast.
00:22 --> 00:25 [UNKNOWN]: We're the Lorhounds, your guides to Tolkien's world of Middle-earth.
00:25 --> 00:31 [UNKNOWN]: I'm your host John and with me are my fellow Lorhounds David and Marilyn, our favorite Tolkien scholar.
00:32 --> 00:37 [UNKNOWN]: This is our coverage of Prime Videos Original Series, The Lord of the Rings, The Rings of Power.
00:37 --> 00:40 [UNKNOWN]: Season 3 Episode 2, The Gift of Men.
00:41 --> 00:46 [UNKNOWN]: In this podcast, we're going to start off with our hot takes, and then we'll get into our detailed
00:49 --> 01:02 [UNKNOWN]: If you'd like to contact us send e-mails to lotrthelorhance.com if you want to join our Discord server or support community by subscribing with either patreon or supercast, check out the link to the show notes below.
01:02 --> 01:07 [UNKNOWN]: And we're running a season pass again for this season of rings of power.
01:07 --> 01:12 [UNKNOWN]: We'll have some more information about that right after our hot takes.
01:14 --> 01:15 [UNKNOWN]: Well, here we are, folks.
01:16 --> 01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Episode two, just a couple days after we recorded episode 1.
01:19 --> 01:21 [UNKNOWN]: And things are cooking.
01:21 --> 01:26 [UNKNOWN]: Things are really heating up where in different geographies, what's everyone thinking, Marilyn?
01:27 --> 01:35 [UNKNOWN]: Well, a short-form extraordinary episode characters facing impossible choices and trying to sift through their perceptions.
01:36 --> 01:39 [UNKNOWN]: And these questions, what will you sacrifice
01:41 --> 01:42 [UNKNOWN]: very significant right now.
01:43 --> 01:49 [UNKNOWN]: I was also glad to finally get the opening sequence with Howard Shores' beautiful music, but also the sand images.
01:49 --> 01:53 [UNKNOWN]: You know, they always do fun things and each season it's a completely different image.
01:54 --> 02:06 [UNKNOWN]: So it's rising up this sort of castle like structure, which might be Elven Towers, because the sand makes it look crisp and they, but I'm wondering if that might be going to bad.
02:07 --> 02:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then it's followed up by this rippling land sequence.
02:13 --> 02:24 [UNKNOWN]: It looks like earthquakes and ways and then chasm and then ending with the one ring, does this mean that we're actually on the other side?
02:24 --> 02:30 [UNKNOWN]: By the end of season three, I don't know, but that's be a lot of brown in color.
02:31 --> 02:33 [UNKNOWN]: I'm putting the Buzz Poiler bizarre on it.
02:34 --> 02:35 [UNKNOWN]: All right, all right.
02:35 --> 02:44 [UNKNOWN]: I know I know it's common token knowledge, but we're we have we have some nubes here So I'm gonna just Just cut out the audio and leave all the rest of this commentary around it.
02:45 --> 02:51 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let me clearly move phrase it Does this mean that there might actually be a cataclysm
02:52 --> 03:03 [UNKNOWN]: at the end of this season because if so that it's going to have to happen fairly quickly and it's going to be able a lot of season time in the future for a lot of things to unfold.
03:03 --> 03:05 [UNKNOWN]: It'd be an interesting choice but we don't know.
03:06 --> 03:09 [UNKNOWN]: I actually get totally see that happening so we'll say.
03:09 --> 03:09 [UNKNOWN]: Good you.
03:10 --> 03:11 [UNKNOWN]: Alright well there you are.
03:11 --> 03:19 [UNKNOWN]: I also am loving their score, no surprise, giving a deeper interpretation of places and
03:22 --> 03:27 [UNKNOWN]: But there's situations I've certainly changed in the past five years, and so the music is as well.
03:28 --> 03:34 [UNKNOWN]: The costumes, again, exquisite, particularly the rich new annoyance, and the acting is stunning.
03:35 --> 03:38 [UNKNOWN]: And I got to say it's getting real now in Newmanaut.
03:38 --> 03:44 [UNKNOWN]: And this is very much in keeping with how Tolkien first approached it.
03:44 --> 03:46 [UNKNOWN]: He first wrote about Newmanaut in 1936.
03:48 --> 03:58 [UNKNOWN]: And this was surely after a first major biography by a Catholic author about Sir Thomas Moore or St. Thomas Moore, depending upon your preference.
03:59 --> 04:05 [UNKNOWN]: And how the government was affected by this because of religious conflict, him or the eighth, all that kind of thing.
04:06 --> 04:11 [UNKNOWN]: And more going to the scaffold rather than giving up his faith.
04:12 --> 04:15 [UNKNOWN]: And at the same time in Germany, it's
04:17 --> 04:19 [UNKNOWN]: and all kinds of horrible things are happening.
04:19 --> 04:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I just kept having those vibes throughout this episode.
04:22 --> 04:28 [UNKNOWN]: So I think in that sense, they're definitely reflecting the history of the background.
04:29 --> 04:50 [UNKNOWN]: talking notably uh not a Nazi wrote a letter to the Nazis say yeah i i know that was a weird way to say that but uh you know wrote a letter to the Nazis when they said hey we'd love to feature your books in the uh approved book collection uh you have a German name and uh we just need you to prove your German heritage and he basically wrote a letter back to them saying like
04:53 --> 05:00 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he wrote two letters and he sent them both to his publishers saying, I realized that there's a monetary investment involved for you folks here.
05:01 --> 05:04 [UNKNOWN]: So, I'm responding with two different letters.
05:04 --> 05:06 [UNKNOWN]: You pick the one you want to send.
05:06 --> 05:07 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know which one was picked.
05:07 --> 05:11 [UNKNOWN]: We only saw this one because it was still in the files.
05:12 --> 05:16 [UNKNOWN]: But he was asked if he could demonstrate that he was of Aryan race.
05:23 --> 05:28 [UNKNOWN]: I could not say, if you mean am I descended from Indo-European stock?
05:28 --> 05:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just going to go on and on and on.
05:30 --> 05:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
05:31 --> 05:39 [UNKNOWN]: And even ends with, you know, my name, of course, is a Germanic an origin and has up to this point, been a source of great pride to me.
05:41 --> 05:42 [UNKNOWN]: Period, paragraph.
05:42 --> 05:48 [UNKNOWN]: But don't... Take a little hand drawing of a rock being kicked.
05:49 --> 05:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
05:51 --> 05:55 [UNKNOWN]: If that particular concept had been around at the time, I could just see it.
05:55 --> 05:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe he would have a giant kicking rocks across.
05:59 --> 06:00 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, it's weird.
06:00 --> 06:03 [UNKNOWN]: The John time traveled back to illustrate it, right?
06:03 --> 06:06 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, there's a lot that you don't know about that guy.
06:06 --> 06:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's going on.
06:07 --> 06:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's a part of the TVA.
06:09 --> 06:10 [UNKNOWN]: He has many TVA.
06:10 --> 06:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he has the TVA.
06:12 --> 06:14 [UNKNOWN]: If I got about the, and it's a venerable TVA.
06:16 --> 06:39 [UNKNOWN]: yeah uh this episode was uh it was I thought less cohesive than episode one interesting still a very good episode really parts of the area in plot line did not work for me ah that said um i'm interested in where the uruk plot line goes with
06:41 --> 06:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'm interested in where the dwarven plot line is going because this is stuff that I'm less familiar with.
06:48 --> 06:52 [UNKNOWN]: And I think there's less writing about it in general, what happened in Kaza Doom.
06:53 --> 06:58 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, the fall of Numenor in general, I think will be really interesting to watch.
06:58 --> 07:05 [UNKNOWN]: There are just parts of it that I'm like, I feel a little bit uncomfortable by certain parts of it.
07:07 --> 07:07 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
07:07 --> 07:09 [UNKNOWN]: I will be interested to find out what those are.
07:10 --> 07:19 [UNKNOWN]: I'll save it for the full recap, you know, if you don't want to, you don't want to, you have all your opinions and go, no, no, no, but it's still a great episode.
07:20 --> 07:21 [UNKNOWN]: I really enjoyed it.
07:21 --> 07:24 [UNKNOWN]: I see why they're doing these in clumps.
07:24 --> 07:27 [UNKNOWN]: I think that episodes 1 and 2 together would have been a good drop.
07:27 --> 07:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think they needed to do for three or four episodes on the first drop.
07:31 --> 07:32 [UNKNOWN]: That said, I get it.
07:33 --> 07:35 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we don't know until we've seen three and four.
07:36 --> 07:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
07:37 --> 07:42 [UNKNOWN]: But I sure wouldn't want them to have done all four on the same day, but they didn't call me so what can I say?
07:43 --> 07:44 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm calling David.
07:44 --> 07:45 [UNKNOWN]: David, what do you think?
07:46 --> 07:51 [UNKNOWN]: Unlike you, I thought that this was a particularly heavy hitting episode.
07:52 --> 07:55 [UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed some of the visuals.
07:56 --> 08:01 [UNKNOWN]: There was, we'll talk about it, the book ending of how they opened and closed this episode.
08:02 --> 08:08 [UNKNOWN]: the acting on the parts of Vickers and Muhoffadin.
08:08 --> 08:11 [UNKNOWN]: I thought was particularly good.
08:11 --> 08:15 [UNKNOWN]: I really enjoyed the scenes with Sauron and Theo.
08:15 --> 08:23 [UNKNOWN]: Theo has not been one of my favorite characters in past seasons, and he is the actor and the character are both elevated.
08:23 --> 08:28 [UNKNOWN]: I so far, in this movie, and I really enjoyed what we got there.
08:29 --> 08:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I didn't mention they're seeing in my hot take, but all of the Sauron stuff has been great.
08:36 --> 08:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably the highest, highest executed plot line in the show.
08:42 --> 09:04 [UNKNOWN]: interesting when they now I didn't join you for the last season of foundation but it sounds like I know from the first two the book stuff they didn't do as good a job but man when they were doing the Empire stuff they like had this really creative rich vein to tell story of us and those were some of the best parts I think a lot of people enjoyed in foundation one and two
09:05 --> 09:08 [UNKNOWN]: So, I think they improved on the books, actually, for foundation.
09:10 --> 09:21 [UNKNOWN]: I do too, and I've now read the full timeline other than the prequels, and I also think that the show is significantly better than the books, as far as a story goes.
09:21 --> 09:24 [UNKNOWN]: John, John knows where I speak, but you've got to give him some,
09:25 --> 09:28 [UNKNOWN]: some slack here because he was writing in the 1940s.
09:28 --> 09:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's true.
09:29 --> 09:29 [UNKNOWN]: It's true.
09:30 --> 09:31 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I think he gave him a lot of slack.
09:31 --> 09:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he was going to conventions and doing stuff.
09:34 --> 09:36 [UNKNOWN]: So let's just, yeah.
09:36 --> 09:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:37 --> 09:43 [UNKNOWN]: I do love the men and tweed jackets with elbow patches, having the secretary's bring the coffee as they are.
09:44 --> 09:47 [UNKNOWN]: That is basically the last two books of foundation.
09:47 --> 09:49 [UNKNOWN]: into smoke filled room.
09:49 --> 09:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yes exactly.
09:51 --> 09:57 [UNKNOWN]: The last two books of foundation are just men having conversations with women and accessories.
09:59 --> 09:59 [UNKNOWN]: Fabulous.
10:00 --> 10:01 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, we're here to talk about rings of power.
10:01 --> 10:17 [UNKNOWN]: We are some of the, some of what this episode was doing for me though on reflection after I sort of looked at my notes and started thinking about what was happening in the episode
10:18 --> 10:28 [UNKNOWN]: There's some really, really deep thematics going on here about agency, about knowledge and also identity.
10:28 --> 10:31 [UNKNOWN]: This idea of agency versus control.
10:31 --> 10:41 [UNKNOWN]: You know, we've got salarons, manipulations versus fair zones, control and how they're affecting the world and how people are responding to their machinations.
10:42 --> 10:48 [UNKNOWN]: You have this whole question of knowledge versus uncertainty, specifically how that affects state craft.
10:48 --> 10:53 [UNKNOWN]: And this idea of strategic autonomy, like do we get involved or are we neutral?
10:53 --> 11:06 [UNKNOWN]: I've got even got a little table of different states that a state can be in in terms of international relations, how they're relating to other states, but this idea of, are we involved or are we not?
11:06 --> 11:07 [UNKNOWN]: Are we neutral?
11:07 --> 11:08 [UNKNOWN]: What does neutrality mean?
11:09 --> 11:12 [UNKNOWN]: So in a lot of that is just based on information.
11:12 --> 11:13 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have the knowledge?
11:13 --> 11:16 [UNKNOWN]: Are you certain or uncertain about the situation?
11:16 --> 11:23 [UNKNOWN]: You know, there's the question of, oh, we're uncertain how Sawa and we'll respond if he finds out that we had the work in our position.
11:24 --> 11:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, to quote, Disa, I would say.
11:27 --> 11:28 [UNKNOWN]: Do it's right.
11:28 --> 11:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you what we tell the wings.
11:30 --> 11:31 [UNKNOWN]: You do what's right.
11:33 --> 11:33 [UNKNOWN]: and then you let the chips fall.
11:34 --> 11:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then you, but then you actually have something to stand on, which is a brings into another really interesting question of means versus the ends, especially when you have the question of espionage as a moral problem.
11:50 --> 11:55 [UNKNOWN]: And in this episode, we've got a defector and a double agent operating.
11:55 --> 12:00 [UNKNOWN]: And there's a lot of stuff that goes on there in terms of,
12:01 --> 12:19 [UNKNOWN]: You know, a double agent having to take actions which may in the short run violate principles are faith, but in the long run achieve a bigger, you know, goal and then that moral injury that that can cause as that double agent is operating versus a defector.
12:20 --> 12:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, like, I'm, I've made a moral choice.
12:22 --> 12:25 [UNKNOWN]: I did, I no longer agree with this or I'm making a financial choice.
12:25 --> 12:29 [UNKNOWN]: And a transactional choice, whatever, I'm making a choice to be with these other sides.
12:29 --> 12:38 [UNKNOWN]: But then you go back into knowledge and uncertainty and you don't know if that defector is actually a valid player.
12:38 --> 12:47 [UNKNOWN]: I have my doubts about Marnook and I wouldn't put a pasty showrunners to be running a big long con on us with this.
12:47 --> 12:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm with them.
12:48 --> 12:49 [UNKNOWN]: We will see.
12:49 --> 12:50 [UNKNOWN]: I, yeah.
12:50 --> 12:53 [UNKNOWN]: No, you're not saying anything that shocks me and that did.
12:53 --> 12:59 [UNKNOWN]: No, and I'm sure there are dozens of us out there on the internet who also are like still a little bit suspicious of Marnook.
13:00 --> 13:09 [UNKNOWN]: But then we have this idea to of commitment versus self-preservation and the idea of identity fusion, how A.R.N.
13:09 --> 13:22 [UNKNOWN]: has fused her identity with her movement, you know, with her values, her faithfulness,ness, and like the idea that she could commit the act that she does, like that is a really profound and powerful thing.
13:22 --> 13:22 [UNKNOWN]: So,
13:23 --> 13:36 [UNKNOWN]: these ideas of acting in a world that one can't control, remaining one self while pursuing a purpose or building collective action without domination, like actually trying to build power with as opposed to power over.
13:37 --> 13:44 [UNKNOWN]: The the mathematics that they're hitting on are really, really rich and really interesting, and so I'm very much engaged.
13:46 --> 14:06 [UNKNOWN]: uh... with this show it's pretty to look at and it's got me think it's got me struck in my chin and thinking uh... some deep thoughts and i've got some more stuff about spycraft and stagecraft or a stagecraft uh... in our scene by scene break done all right well why don't we get to it but i think what we should do first is do some housekeeping
14:08 --> 14:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, we've already talked about how and we're not exactly thrilled with the release schedule but this is what it is and this is why we're giving you episode two now.
14:20 --> 14:38 [UNKNOWN]: Episodes 3 and 4 still to be recorded and we'll get them out as soon as we can because red or on the corner, November 18th, we'll have Episodes 5 and 6 to record and then the following week, thanksgiving Eve, Episodes 7 and 8 and after that we're going to eat turkey and just why on the sofa.
14:40 --> 14:43 [UNKNOWN]: If we recorded episode 8 by that, which we won't have, so, you know.
14:44 --> 14:57 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll mention it to you guys here too, and just as a preface for listeners, we're definitely going to have to do some creative scheduling around Thanksgiving week, because I'll be away that whole week with a family, so I've been thinking about some way.
14:57 --> 15:05 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know yet where we're going to be, so I don't know if we'll have recording space, but at least I'll be able to send in some ravens to the, oh wait, that's the wrong IP, sorry.
15:06 --> 15:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think we can do it.
15:07 --> 15:08 [UNKNOWN]: We're using Palantino David.
15:08 --> 15:11 [UNKNOWN]: No, we're using, yes, I'll use the Palantino too.
15:12 --> 15:13 [UNKNOWN]: You got to tap into the Palantino verse.
15:13 --> 15:15 [UNKNOWN]: Mark Zuckerberg is all over this.
15:15 --> 15:18 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, don't get it started in that.
15:18 --> 15:19 [UNKNOWN]: Don't get me started.
15:19 --> 15:20 [UNKNOWN]: I saw that.
15:20 --> 15:21 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, this is going to make Marilyn mad.
15:21 --> 15:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
15:22 --> 15:25 [UNKNOWN]: But maybe mad, a decade ago when it first arose.
15:25 --> 15:26 [UNKNOWN]: So it's not new.
15:26 --> 15:27 [UNKNOWN]: It's just coming back round again.
15:27 --> 15:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think because of the Amazon show.
15:30 --> 15:37 [UNKNOWN]: So all that being said, we are going to do our best to watch and record and to get our episodes out, as logically as we can.
15:37 --> 15:44 [UNKNOWN]: So for those of you who celebrate, you can consider them advent gifts because that's probably when we're going to be starting to drop them.
15:45 --> 15:47 [UNKNOWN]: But the commitment is the commitment is strong.
15:48 --> 15:52 [UNKNOWN]: We will be releasing one past cast for each of all eight episodes.
15:52 --> 15:56 [UNKNOWN]: You'll be getting eight episodes from us on covering this season three.
15:57 --> 16:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and we're going to be interspersing some lorecast, too, which are going to be bonus episodes where we dive into a particular lore subject.
16:03 --> 16:09 [UNKNOWN]: Have a list of them already that we got going, Marilyn, put together, thankfully, and we'll get going on those soon.
16:09 --> 16:11 [UNKNOWN]: We just want to start catching up on the episodes first.
16:12 --> 16:13 [UNKNOWN]: I'm really excited to have those conversations.
16:13 --> 16:16 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's something Marilyn and I can do a couple of wild devids away.
16:16 --> 16:20 [UNKNOWN]: That too, yeah, would probably be a good way to keep up with everything.
16:20 --> 16:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and some of them may wind up being Christmas presents, who knows?
16:24 --> 16:30 [UNKNOWN]: We've made a lot of talking friends over the some early in stories and maybe we'll we'll start asking our own well It's fellowship John that counts.
16:30 --> 16:33 [UNKNOWN]: That's right All right, enemy has strength not force but fellowship.
16:33 --> 16:37 [UNKNOWN]: That's right And it is always light that will
16:39 --> 16:43 [UNKNOWN]: You know that they the wrote fellowship in there, and they were like, yeah, we're cook with that.
16:43 --> 16:47 [UNKNOWN]: We're all people are going to be leopointing of the screen for that one.
16:47 --> 16:47 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
16:47 --> 16:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
16:49 --> 16:52 [UNKNOWN]: So the season pass is available to you now.
16:52 --> 16:55 [UNKNOWN]: And if you were a past season pass holder, you get a little discount.
16:56 --> 16:57 [UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, there's a link in the show notes.
16:58 --> 17:05 [UNKNOWN]: And on the link tree, actually John today put a new link for the season pass right at the top of the link tree so you can go there and get it.
17:05 --> 17:06 [UNKNOWN]: It is extremely well priced.
17:07 --> 17:09 [UNKNOWN]: Just for 10 bucks, you get ad-free podcasts.
17:09 --> 17:10 [UNKNOWN]: You don't have to listen to any ads.
17:11 --> 17:20 [UNKNOWN]: You get Marilyn Olive Marilyn, season one, and season two of Rings and Rituals with her and Dr. Sarah Brown, and you get John's Show Guide, one guide to rule them all.
17:20 --> 17:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it is so worth it, folks.
17:22 --> 17:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's so worth it.
17:23 --> 17:27 [UNKNOWN]: And then the show guide, I was using the show guide constantly, especially on this last episode, trying to look up.
17:28 --> 17:30 [UNKNOWN]: Actors names character names things like that.
17:30 --> 17:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's funny because it's been helpful for me because the actors that showed up last season Yes, I haven't waxed in a little bit.
17:36 --> 17:36 [UNKNOWN]: I was like wait.
17:36 --> 17:38 [UNKNOWN]: Who is that?
17:38 --> 17:39 [UNKNOWN]: Like the belt cigar.
17:39 --> 17:40 [UNKNOWN]: I was like wait who the heck is that?
17:40 --> 17:43 [UNKNOWN]: And then I remember and I was like, oh, it's that guy So it's good.
17:43 --> 17:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's good to keep uh, right and then of course we have the discord Which is available to everyone you don't have to be subscriber anything like that.
17:50 --> 17:55 [UNKNOWN]: That's open to the community anyone who wants to join please do show There's a link in the show notes
17:56 --> 18:11 [UNKNOWN]: on the link tree link and we have a whole thread dedicated to just rings a power and each episode has its own channel so as you are watching the episodes you can jump into that episode's
18:12 --> 18:36 [UNKNOWN]: little channel area and talk without having to worry about spoilers ever you can assume that everybody in that and talking in there is already seen the episode and there's up and down all four of these episodes there is conversation you know rolling back and forth we have a general chat one as well people are talking about the music and posting links and playlists and posting screenshots and so the the community is really rolling and I know a number of people
18:38 --> 18:57 [UNKNOWN]: season pass we see the emails thank you all so very much for your subscription it really makes a big difference to us it's a nice little motivation but also you know it the support means a lot to us yes it does you know what else gives us support and and good feelings is getting feedback emails from our listeners
18:57 --> 19:00 [UNKNOWN]: and we've got a few here today.
19:00 --> 19:04 [UNKNOWN]: One, I wanted to play was a voicemail from Onwin, our friend.
19:05 --> 19:13 [UNKNOWN]: So, we have a voicemail here from our friend Onwin, from the cast of the Rings podcast, from the podcast that couldn't network.
19:13 --> 19:15 [UNKNOWN]: Our friend is a podcast guy.
19:15 --> 19:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, hello.
19:16 --> 19:16 [UNKNOWN]: Hello.
19:16 --> 19:18 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for writing in again.
19:19 --> 19:23 [UNKNOWN]: You were, Onwin was a frequent flyer for season two feedback and his back again,
19:26 --> 19:29 [UNKNOWN]: So here we go, here's Omun's voicemail.
19:29 --> 19:35 [UNKNOWN]: Mike Ivanov, David John and Marilyn, Kia ora from Altero, Medelleth, New Zealand.
19:35 --> 19:36 [UNKNOWN]: This is Enwyn.
19:36 --> 19:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm so glad the ring's power is back and I'm really looking forward to listening to you break it all down.
19:41 --> 19:45 [UNKNOWN]: Well done on taking your time and giving each episode its full
19:47 --> 19:51 [UNKNOWN]: What a drop schedule this year at as a podcast is not me.
19:51 --> 20:03 [UNKNOWN]: I'm so glad you're going at time and I'm really looking forward to it listening to This season is darker again, and I know it will get darker so much to talk about, but I did just want to say RIP, Eddie Arden
20:04 --> 20:10 [UNKNOWN]: I was worried about the non-canon character and she played such a risky game for five years.
20:11 --> 20:15 [UNKNOWN]: What a great example of a character that we liked, then hated, then loved, just in time for her to die.
20:16 --> 20:18 [UNKNOWN]: So well-rush and beautifully acted.
20:18 --> 20:23 [UNKNOWN]: Enjoy the rest of the season, and for everything that you do, Han & Le, Melanie.
20:25 --> 20:25 [UNKNOWN]: I was lovely.
20:26 --> 20:26 [UNKNOWN]: That was lovely.
20:27 --> 20:32 [UNKNOWN]: And thank you for sending you the Wayspilking and when I'm going to get your pronunciation right.
20:32 --> 20:37 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a Kiwi, but I could be, maybe I'll move there one day.
20:37 --> 20:48 [UNKNOWN]: And shout out to House iPodcastica, great folks over there, and we chat every once in a while when convergent shows show up, but they're lovely and fine folks, so you haven't checked them out before.
20:48 --> 20:49 [UNKNOWN]: Please go do so.
20:49 --> 20:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure.
20:49 --> 20:50 [UNKNOWN]: You're on one.
20:50 --> 20:51 [UNKNOWN]: You're on one.
20:52 --> 21:20 [UNKNOWN]: the uh... the area and thoughts i will i'm gonna i'm gonna push back on those later right and i first of all if you like that i think that's great and i i think that everyone is more than welcome to enjoy that i thought line i i i i i i i actually think in general the executed well but i'm a little troubled by the woman who is diastrope and uh... following that uh... that's kind of where i'm at with that so i won't i won't like with hold my main criticism for the next two hours
21:22 --> 21:25 [UNKNOWN]: I have my own thought on why they did it that way, but we can talk about that when we get there.
21:26 --> 21:34 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's just when you create a character and then kill them off, and it happens to be a woman to motivate the canon character, a canon male character that we know.
21:34 --> 21:37 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's not great.
21:37 --> 21:38 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a great look.
21:39 --> 21:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I haven't done that, but let's, let's wait to look, we get there.
21:43 --> 21:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
21:44 --> 21:45 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
21:45 --> 21:48 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we also have a couple of emails.
21:48 --> 21:50 [UNKNOWN]: David, do you want to read our first one?
21:50 --> 21:51 [UNKNOWN]: Fudge and C writes in.
21:51 --> 21:52 [UNKNOWN]: Hi, Laura Hounds.
21:52 --> 21:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm such a massive fan and so tickled that all three of you are doing this one.
21:56 --> 21:58 [UNKNOWN]: Two pieces of feedback today.
21:58 --> 22:00 [UNKNOWN]: David touched on this regarding
22:05 --> 22:17 [UNKNOWN]: And that means, and what that means, I do see something ritualistic about the fact that Sauron's forge is a copy of Brimbe's, and that he has his skeleton nailed up there.
22:18 --> 22:27 [UNKNOWN]: It may be wonder when he, quote unquote, speaks to the icon as it were, but the modern icon also makes sense.
22:27 --> 22:34 [UNKNOWN]: Brimbe is totally an icon, which events thoughts struggles trigger him to do so.
22:35 --> 22:41 [UNKNOWN]: But also, it's not just that he can't create, but on the imitate.
22:41 --> 22:45 [UNKNOWN]: But almost like he's created a shrine to brim, right?
22:47 --> 22:48 [UNKNOWN]: Shaped like his space was shaped.
22:49 --> 22:53 [UNKNOWN]: Brimby Jesus sent Sebastian on a cross in a prominent place.
22:53 --> 22:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like he really felt like he couldn't do this without him.
22:57 --> 23:02 [UNKNOWN]: Like he needs to invoke Brimby similar to invoking a deity prayer.
23:03 --> 23:09 [UNKNOWN]: Quick, costuming note, first-age Galadriel's dress has these beaded lace sleeves.
23:09 --> 23:21 [UNKNOWN]: In previous seasons, this one, Numinorian women, including Earian and Season 2 in Mirial and Previous, has the same type of sleeves, a lovely way to subtly connect a Numinor with the elves.
23:22 --> 23:23 [UNKNOWN]: Screen shots attached.
23:23 --> 23:26 [UNKNOWN]: I believe that those screen shots are also in the discord chat.
23:27 --> 23:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, they are.
23:27 --> 23:28 [UNKNOWN]: Very cool.
23:28 --> 23:28 [UNKNOWN]: They are.
23:28 --> 23:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a great catch visually.
23:31 --> 23:32 [UNKNOWN]: very cool detail.
23:32 --> 23:37 [UNKNOWN]: And yes, I love this idea that Sauron is kind of idolizing.
23:37 --> 23:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, kill a Brimboar, right?
23:39 --> 23:39 [UNKNOWN]: And questionably.
23:40 --> 23:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, is Brimby that people do that?
23:43 --> 23:44 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I do know.
23:47 --> 23:56 [UNKNOWN]: I've never heard that before actually so I'm reading it like trying not to stumble over it and trying to take it seriously Two syllables instead of four exactly very much very easily.
23:56 --> 24:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I really like this idea of You know, he even says to the ghost in his head, you know, we're you know partners and his ghost is like we were not partners
24:06 --> 24:09 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not even gonna call you my friends, just yeah, we weren't part.
24:09 --> 24:10 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I think that's a really great catch.
24:11 --> 24:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, thanks for writing and fattin.
24:14 --> 24:20 [UNKNOWN]: We are gonna save our third piece of feedback from Brian 863 for these scene by scene, because it has to do with a scene that we wanna break down.
24:21 --> 24:24 [UNKNOWN]: Why don't we take a break and we'll come back and start that recap.
24:25 --> 24:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
24:46 --> 24:51 [UNKNOWN]: Farazone basks in the cheering of his new subjects as well as Sealdor lurks in the shadows.
24:52 --> 25:01 [UNKNOWN]: Mills' guard is doubtful of Farazone's plan to chase Sauron in Middle-earth, as Sealdor attempts to assassinate Farazone, but hits one of his ladies instead.
25:01 --> 25:05 [UNKNOWN]: As Sealdor's faithful ally is captured while trying to do so as well.
25:06 --> 25:17 [UNKNOWN]: Bell's a guard, Warren's fair zone, he's underestimating the faithful, and that there is a man with the white lame, building an army in the west for Muriel.
25:17 --> 25:23 [UNKNOWN]: Wishing to make their captive speak, they decided to set a Aryan to the task.
25:25 --> 25:30 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that, this one really started off on a violent note, huh?
25:32 --> 25:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, financial violence as well as cultural violence as well as physical violence.
25:38 --> 25:43 [UNKNOWN]: I had the laugh of all of the citizens of the Numanar town here, the city.
25:44 --> 25:51 [UNKNOWN]: The only one with their cloak, you know, their cowl up was the one who was not to go commit some malfeasance of them.
25:51 --> 25:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:51 --> 25:52 [UNKNOWN]: OK.
25:52 --> 26:00 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder which school of spying school dug a gate and assassination he went to, because if you really want to take up that drape, don't go there.
26:01 --> 26:07 [UNKNOWN]: And then when they show him, he's assembling his bow and arrow, like an assassin would with a mortar
26:08 --> 26:13 [UNKNOWN]: rifle in a modern movie, you know, it's just laughing because his boat was on eases and he was clicking it together.
26:14 --> 26:19 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, okay, I mean visually, they're coding it so that people understand what they're saying.
26:19 --> 26:21 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is about to be in this assassination attempt.
26:21 --> 26:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I agree.
26:23 --> 26:27 [UNKNOWN]: It's a little silly the way that they got him in the...
26:28 --> 26:53 [UNKNOWN]: position and the it felt very assassins Creed right like your video game you are the assassin you have to go and sneak up and you're thwarted by a bystander oh no and then you kill the wrong person oh no well yeah it's if you were playing assassins Creed and you kill the wrong person it would have frozen and been like glitch out you failed and uh yeah well i have to say that as an archer you see a builder makes an excellent swordsman because
26:55 --> 27:16 [UNKNOWN]: I only had one semester of archery in high school which was more years ago than I'm going to bore you with But even if my shoulders were to allow me to do it now and I had this slightest inclination to try and assess anybody I think I could have done a better job in that I mean he had he had his line of sight he had clear going before the little kid comes running up right you know
27:17 --> 27:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, and I'll dig on the assassins a little bit more that that is very bad planning to have only one other person You don't have your exit route secured You don't have more people to take out guard like there's a whole bunch of stuff that that they should have done quote unquote better, but anyway, it's you know
27:37 --> 27:40 [UNKNOWN]: It makes for a compelling, uh, scenes later on.
27:40 --> 27:44 [UNKNOWN]: They, they really did not do a good job gasing up a sealed or here.
27:44 --> 27:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
27:46 --> 27:52 [UNKNOWN]: Someone with a lot to learn and it's interesting because you don't get that kind of fallibility in Tolkien.
27:52 --> 27:56 [UNKNOWN]: And that, um, I don't know if that is,
27:57 --> 27:59 [UNKNOWN]: good or bad that they're adding it to this character.
28:00 --> 28:04 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I, for one thing that Erdogan has a better story are, can the Peter Jackson films.
28:04 --> 28:12 [UNKNOWN]: I just, you know, I know that he was used as a device in the books, but Erdogan was not as much of a character as he was a device in the books.
28:12 --> 28:14 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I might push back on that.
28:14 --> 28:15 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but.
28:16 --> 28:19 [UNKNOWN]: And but a sealed or certainly did not have like any death.
28:20 --> 28:24 [UNKNOWN]: It was a honorable man, honorable man, honorable man, false the ring.
28:24 --> 28:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, and I think that's a part of why they're making it look like it's a clots at this point.
28:29 --> 28:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, young man, rash action.
28:31 --> 28:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, the whole knife take.
28:33 --> 28:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, peace.
28:35 --> 28:40 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, he is the older brother, which is interesting in and of itself.
28:40 --> 28:43 [UNKNOWN]: But also, you know, when is he supposed to learn archery?
28:44 --> 28:46 [UNKNOWN]: When is he supposed to learn swordsmanship for that matter?
28:46 --> 28:48 [UNKNOWN]: He's trained for the sea guard.
28:48 --> 28:55 [UNKNOWN]: The Sea Guard doesn't know if they were not a military establishment when he was taking part in it.
28:56 --> 29:00 [UNKNOWN]: And after that, he got launched into this battle.
29:01 --> 29:02 [UNKNOWN]: He was doing his best.
29:02 --> 29:09 [UNKNOWN]: We just have to assume that he had some sort of trading at some point, but we don't see him doing any great feats of swordsmanship.
29:10 --> 29:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then he winds up bashing the head in the burning building.
29:15 --> 29:22 [UNKNOWN]: He's definitely, to me, being set up as somebody who just kind of doesn't have it all the other.
29:23 --> 29:23 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
29:24 --> 29:28 [UNKNOWN]: Well, and he maybe that's part of his arc is that he's got hard lessons to learn.
29:28 --> 29:31 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he does get his come up and it's from Mirial.
29:31 --> 29:32 [UNKNOWN]: She cuffs his ears pretty good.
29:33 --> 29:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, she does because this was not any part of her instructions.
29:38 --> 29:38 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
29:38 --> 29:41 [UNKNOWN]: And it was a dumb move.
29:41 --> 29:42 [UNKNOWN]: And it was
29:43 --> 29:48 [UNKNOWN]: You, if you're going to do a assassination, do a competent link.
29:48 --> 29:51 [UNKNOWN]: You do it competently or you don't do it at all, right?
29:51 --> 29:51 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
29:51 --> 29:55 [UNKNOWN]: And because the blowback and the repercussions are tenfold.
29:56 --> 29:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
29:56 --> 29:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
29:56 --> 30:03 [UNKNOWN]: And she sat beside her father for how many decades of his ruling.
30:03 --> 30:05 [UNKNOWN]: She knows what she's talking about when it comes to
30:07 --> 30:11 [UNKNOWN]: the moods of people and how they can shift in a moment and how you win them over.
30:11 --> 30:18 [UNKNOWN]: Now, right now, Fattason is doing great with the, you know, glitzy aspect of winning them over.
30:18 --> 30:21 [UNKNOWN]: But that's not this situation.
30:22 --> 30:33 [UNKNOWN]: This is a really incredibly tense situation and she has the wisdom and the experience to know what's needed, plus her personal inclination towards peace, which I'm sure we're going to talk about subsequently anyway.
30:35 --> 30:45 [UNKNOWN]: Well, if they wanted us to give a few digs at Isildor's choice of actions, they've done a good job, story wise, because we've got ammunition to, to, uh, seriously.
30:46 --> 30:47 [UNKNOWN]: Seriously.
30:47 --> 31:00 [UNKNOWN]: I think what's interesting to me is they, you know, what we see in Isildor's, what little there is of his arc in the books is it doesn't matter how good of a man you are, the ring will corrupt you.
31:04 --> 31:06 [UNKNOWN]: That is also the point of Boramir's arc in the book.
31:06 --> 31:09 [UNKNOWN]: They do a, I don't think they do as good of a job of that in the movies.
31:09 --> 31:23 [UNKNOWN]: That is one arc, I think, they over me, they over did making Boramir sketchy movies, or you kind of like, uh, but Boramir was another like extremely honorable guy who just felt the felt of the ring.
31:25 --> 31:37 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know if it's a good decision to, you know, I saw season one and two, we had similar immaturity from the sealed or with some moments of clarity.
31:38 --> 31:43 [UNKNOWN]: Here we're in season three of five and we're still seeing him act pretty childishly.
31:44 --> 31:47 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if this is the right choice for this arc.
31:48 --> 31:49 [UNKNOWN]: Get a long way to go.
31:50 --> 31:53 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we do see him growing up.
31:54 --> 31:57 [UNKNOWN]: in his exchanges with the folk in Pollock here.
31:57 --> 31:59 [UNKNOWN]: And he owns that himself.
31:59 --> 32:01 [UNKNOWN]: So he has some self reflection going on.
32:02 --> 32:03 [UNKNOWN]: You mean in last season?
32:03 --> 32:06 [UNKNOWN]: In last season, exactly, before he seals away.
32:06 --> 32:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but now he's back to messing up plans and not following the chain of command.
32:12 --> 32:13 [UNKNOWN]: And not being very faithful.
32:15 --> 32:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I mean that, to say, I think he's being exceedingly faithful within his own lights.
32:20 --> 32:21 [UNKNOWN]: I think the challenge is,
32:22 --> 32:32 [UNKNOWN]: He, on the one hand, he's the oldest son of the guy who is more and more becoming the leader of the faithful, Miguel is still the queen.
32:33 --> 32:37 [UNKNOWN]: And at the same time, he feels that he has maybe some catching up to do.
32:37 --> 32:37 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
32:38 --> 32:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
32:39 --> 32:40 [UNKNOWN]: It's this younger...
32:40 --> 32:44 [UNKNOWN]: It's not like, Kevin, trying to... Good point.
32:44 --> 32:45 [UNKNOWN]: Good point.
32:46 --> 32:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of your seniors.
32:47 --> 32:49 [UNKNOWN]: Or if not gain favor, then at least prove yourself.
32:49 --> 32:50 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
32:50 --> 32:50 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
32:51 --> 32:53 [UNKNOWN]: It'll be interesting when they kiss at the end of the season.
32:54 --> 32:54 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
32:56 --> 32:58 [UNKNOWN]: You're shipping Gemin and it's an enemy to lovers.
32:59 --> 33:02 [UNKNOWN]: Or a huge fly.
33:04 --> 33:07 [UNKNOWN]: So they really are doing up fair zone as a Roman emperor.
33:07 --> 33:07 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
33:07 --> 33:09 [UNKNOWN]: It's coin, the coin.
33:09 --> 33:10 [UNKNOWN]: All the time, casting the coins.
33:10 --> 33:14 [UNKNOWN]: The cocky binds lounging with mouth with him in the massive carriage.
33:15 --> 33:18 [UNKNOWN]: You know, is this the king, the elves will seek help from?
33:18 --> 33:19 [UNKNOWN]: Of course they don't know what's going on.
33:21 --> 33:49 [UNKNOWN]: found a zone is now the ruler and they're they're they're looking at Numenor as a mono lift rather than a pluralistic society where there's multiple police use in opinions and attitudes right yeah which does make you wonder why they haven't heard anything from the faithful in the West yet have none of them thought to sail off on their own nick to you know try to get over to where the elves are
33:51 --> 33:53 [UNKNOWN]: You have to think Numanore is pretty big island actually, isn't it?
33:54 --> 33:55 [UNKNOWN]: It's a very big island.
33:55 --> 34:04 [UNKNOWN]: There's no way that it's yielded an odd and could have ridden a horse from where they were down to where the hotel is.
34:04 --> 34:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in an afternoon.
34:06 --> 34:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
34:07 --> 34:07 [UNKNOWN]: Just not possible.
34:08 --> 34:11 [UNKNOWN]: Raiding, she's got to get back because she has a, she's got to be around.
34:11 --> 34:11 [UNKNOWN]: Right?
34:11 --> 34:14 [UNKNOWN]: She's got a function that very evening, I think.
34:14 --> 34:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't understand why she had to go.
34:17 --> 34:22 [UNKNOWN]: No, like, I mean, I guess you're going to get to impress the, the importance of it, but like,
34:23 --> 34:24 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
34:24 --> 34:29 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like you're doing too much to risk your intel to blow your cover.
34:29 --> 34:35 [UNKNOWN]: She's taking on this role of, you know, but tell your brother, brother can go tell me your alley.
34:35 --> 34:36 [UNKNOWN]: You don't even agree.
34:36 --> 34:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
34:36 --> 34:38 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I see going down with him.
34:38 --> 34:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
34:38 --> 34:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
34:38 --> 34:39 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
34:39 --> 34:44 [UNKNOWN]: No, they did that as you can see because they had to set up for the Palantir and for her getting caught.
34:44 --> 34:49 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, it's, it's a self, it's a self reinforcing story.
34:49 --> 34:50 [UNKNOWN]: They could have done it differently.
34:50 --> 34:51 [UNKNOWN]: Well, no, sorry.
34:51 --> 34:55 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know how I had in any sealed or our communicating with each other.
34:55 --> 35:01 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, how many meeting after Darkwing cloaks with what's over are they having?
35:02 --> 35:03 [UNKNOWN]: I think they're meeting by the white tree.
35:04 --> 35:06 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's, that's their standard.
35:06 --> 35:11 [UNKNOWN]: Which, of course, is not an obvious dictator of the faithful at all, is it?
35:12 --> 35:18 [UNKNOWN]: It is interesting, right, because this whole thing is, the white tree is a symbol of their faith.
35:18 --> 35:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I put this as a Lord note in our show, guy, the white tree is a symbol of,
35:23 --> 35:29 [UNKNOWN]: the islands, allegiance and faith with the Valar.
35:29 --> 35:43 [UNKNOWN]: And when they are doing things that are, you know, aligned with the Valar's vision for Duminor, they eat flowers and it flourishes and when they are not, when they are falling into darkness, it looks like it's dying.
35:44 --> 35:44 [UNKNOWN]: And
35:45 --> 35:51 [UNKNOWN]: You're absolutely right, Marilyn, that it would be extremely obvious if that's your meeting place.
35:51 --> 35:58 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, this giant symbol of faith is definitely not where all the faithful meat.
35:58 --> 36:00 [UNKNOWN]: I just, I argue this.
36:00 --> 36:03 [UNKNOWN]: Coding that that is that tree was the white tree.
36:03 --> 36:04 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was just a tree.
36:04 --> 36:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's been questioned, David.
36:06 --> 36:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's true.
36:07 --> 36:09 [UNKNOWN]: I just thought it was a tree.
36:09 --> 36:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
36:10 --> 36:11 [UNKNOWN]: Not the tree.
36:12 --> 36:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's more likely that it is just a tree and yet you think so.
36:15 --> 36:17 [UNKNOWN]: For them, it is a symbol of the white tree.
36:17 --> 36:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
36:17 --> 36:23 [UNKNOWN]: Well, and it's just a convenient place for them to meet and for us to visually code faithful.
36:23 --> 36:24 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
36:24 --> 36:24 [UNKNOWN]: You know what?
36:24 --> 36:25 [UNKNOWN]: Fine.
36:25 --> 36:28 [UNKNOWN]: I'll change the outline to say a tree.
36:29 --> 36:31 [UNKNOWN]: You guys are such party poopers.
36:32 --> 36:33 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, are we?
36:33 --> 36:35 [UNKNOWN]: Are we harshing your Melodire John?
36:35 --> 36:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
36:35 --> 36:39 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to take your, I'm going to take your, what are the, you know, taking your limb
36:41 --> 36:41 [UNKNOWN]: way.
36:41 --> 36:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
36:43 --> 36:48 [UNKNOWN]: Was it isn't there some berry isn't there a berry in in tokens world that like gives you strength or something?
36:48 --> 36:50 [UNKNOWN]: I was trying to think of a member berry kind of anyway.
36:51 --> 36:52 [UNKNOWN]: Are you thinking of the endless?
36:53 --> 36:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm getting I'm stretching things too far.
36:55 --> 36:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, you are.
36:56 --> 36:58 [UNKNOWN]: Stretching the point that it might almost get edited out.
36:58 --> 37:05 [UNKNOWN]: If you ever see, uh, or Leno Blume talking about how they made him film this scene, which is in the extended order of the ring.
37:05 --> 37:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's when he, he holds up the lumbus and basically looks right at camera and goes, could fill a whole man for, for a whole day and this, if like, it's like an infomercial.
37:14 --> 37:16 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, why did they make me film a commercial for a limbo?
37:17 --> 37:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, particularly since it really didn't look anything like, but never mind, we're getting very lory.
37:21 --> 37:23 [UNKNOWN]: We're very off the side.
37:23 --> 37:28 [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to point out that it seems that Velzagar has a better read on the political situation.
37:28 --> 37:29 [UNKNOWN]: He does.
37:29 --> 37:30 [UNKNOWN]: And Fatazon does at this point.
37:31 --> 37:35 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm wondering if that's because Fatazon is still just obsessed with death.
37:36 --> 37:38 [UNKNOWN]: And so he's distracted from all of the considerations.
37:39 --> 37:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'll try on his supply.
37:40 --> 37:42 [UNKNOWN]: I was just going to say he's also puffed up.
37:42 --> 37:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with his own, you know, seeming the people love me and look the way that he was back to.
37:49 --> 37:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, standing there.
37:50 --> 37:53 [UNKNOWN]: He was like really just soaking it in all the adulation.
37:53 --> 37:55 [UNKNOWN]: He was like a sponge.
37:56 --> 37:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he was really pumped wasn't he?
37:59 --> 38:00 [UNKNOWN]: It's just, it's really pumped.
38:00 --> 38:06 [UNKNOWN]: Leaders and, and it's very dangerous when a leader starts believing all those things people say about them.
38:07 --> 38:14 [UNKNOWN]: And even more when they start believing things I say about them so you've never seen this in the real world never Oh, no, not in the world.
38:14 --> 38:21 [UNKNOWN]: All right, the only thing I don't throw gold coins at me, please That was ow, ow Definite ow
38:24 --> 38:27 [UNKNOWN]: a couple of quick visual notes.
38:27 --> 38:33 [UNKNOWN]: One the opening of this episode and the closing of this episode are perfect bookends.
38:34 --> 38:37 [UNKNOWN]: Jessica on the discord called this out, friend of the pod, a salute you.
38:39 --> 38:46 [UNKNOWN]: She was like, oh yeah, you know, because I said something about the fly out and she was like, yeah, remember the fly in and I was like, oh yeah, you're right.
38:46 --> 38:48 [UNKNOWN]: We fly in during the day.
38:49 --> 38:51 [UNKNOWN]: And we come in over the water and we come up.
38:51 --> 38:59 [UNKNOWN]: And then when we leave the courtyard and this amazing shot that is a crane shot that then goes into a CGI shot, perfectly seamless.
38:59 --> 39:03 [UNKNOWN]: And as we fall back out and go back over the ocean, it's nighttime.
39:03 --> 39:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:04 --> 39:14 [UNKNOWN]: So it's really visually nice the just this day night thing and then we're going into something very dark has happened and it's a really smart visual setup.
39:15 --> 39:32 [UNKNOWN]: It is definitely darkness in Numenor and every time I see that statue of Arandil with his hand out stretched, and elwing on his shoulder, I wonder exactly how they're going to visualise yourself.
39:33 --> 39:35 [UNKNOWN]: as you know, they're going to have to make you.
39:35 --> 39:35 [UNKNOWN]: Wait, spoilers.
39:36 --> 39:37 [UNKNOWN]: You just need that.
39:37 --> 39:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's that's that's another spoiler.
39:40 --> 39:40 [UNKNOWN]: Luffle.
39:40 --> 39:41 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, come on.
39:41 --> 39:44 [UNKNOWN]: You got to stop Marilyn.
39:44 --> 39:44 [UNKNOWN]: You.
39:44 --> 39:46 [UNKNOWN]: You wanted a more master John.
39:46 --> 39:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:48 --> 39:49 [UNKNOWN]: Give us the Lord in the past.
39:49 --> 39:50 [UNKNOWN]: Not the present.
39:51 --> 39:52 [UNKNOWN]: It is past.
39:52 --> 39:54 [UNKNOWN]: It's long past in middle earth.
39:54 --> 40:01 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, that is uh, yeah, it is going to be something when they uh, and because at that night shot to patting back up, it was just so beautiful.
40:01 --> 40:03 [UNKNOWN]: It looked like such a great place to hang out.
40:04 --> 40:06 [UNKNOWN]: Have a glass of wine out on the terrace on the summer night.
40:06 --> 40:07 [UNKNOWN]: It just looked beautiful.
40:07 --> 40:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was really nice.
40:09 --> 40:15 [UNKNOWN]: We have seen a huge mess of wave crashing over in you, not several times in season one.
40:15 --> 40:16 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
40:16 --> 40:16 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
40:16 --> 40:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
40:17 --> 40:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
40:17 --> 40:19 [UNKNOWN]: We'd in Maryl's, uh, I will say no more.
40:20 --> 40:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's a metaphor.
40:20 --> 40:26 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so we did get feedback about our first own, um, uh, who can I let me, uh, just circle.
40:26 --> 40:28 [UNKNOWN]: Let me just close off one other.
40:28 --> 40:29 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you can do that.
40:29 --> 40:34 [UNKNOWN]: Which is, I noticed, uh, as we were flying in the ship design of the new minority in ships.
40:35 --> 40:40 [UNKNOWN]: And this was two previous seasons, but I didn't really pick up on it.
40:40 --> 40:50 [UNKNOWN]: They have these dual affordships-masked design, where it's like two masks, a thwartships, and then, you know, a stern is another two, and sure these little V shape things.
40:51 --> 40:59 [UNKNOWN]: And it's a very rudimentary internet searching because I was like, okay, well, this looks like a square rig ship versus a junk, which has a lantene sale.
40:59 --> 41:01 [UNKNOWN]: And apparently this has a name.
41:01 --> 41:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's called a biplane rigged.
41:03 --> 41:05 [UNKNOWN]: I have no idea what to say.
41:05 --> 41:09 [UNKNOWN]: Alien characteristics of it are, and there are some ships boats out there that,
41:10 --> 41:14 [UNKNOWN]: have this sort of dual mass things, but they usually sort of catamaran design.
41:14 --> 41:16 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think anybody's ever done eating so close.
41:16 --> 41:22 [UNKNOWN]: But I just have to say it looks beautiful and their boats look like birds with their wings stretched out.
41:22 --> 41:28 [UNKNOWN]: I just love the creativity that they poured into stuff at this level.
41:28 --> 41:36 [UNKNOWN]: So if anybody who has any experience with sailing, I would love to get some opinions about how a bi-plained rig like ship like that would actually handle.
41:36 --> 41:37 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's all I have to say.
41:38 --> 41:41 [UNKNOWN]: There's certainly conveying and visual language.
41:42 --> 41:47 [UNKNOWN]: These people know all about the sea, sailing, and distance.
41:48 --> 41:51 [UNKNOWN]: And how to make things beautiful as well as functional.
41:52 --> 41:58 [UNKNOWN]: Something we've uh uh what is that not bow arts what is the what was the art style art nouveau?
41:59 --> 42:03 [UNKNOWN]: The art cell that we need for rates like a lot of natural elements.
42:04 --> 42:06 [UNKNOWN]: Somebody out there is yelling at me right now.
42:06 --> 42:09 [UNKNOWN]: There's art deco, but I don't know that it's that.
42:09 --> 42:10 [UNKNOWN]: It was a whole school.
42:11 --> 42:11 [UNKNOWN]: At me.
42:11 --> 42:12 [UNKNOWN]: I dare you.
42:12 --> 42:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe the back of my mind will.
42:14 --> 42:16 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, I'm trying to get to see Merlin.
42:16 --> 42:17 [UNKNOWN]: I'm intentionally trying to get feedback.
42:18 --> 42:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm beating the audience to write in about art history lesson.
42:23 --> 42:24 [UNKNOWN]: How well do you think that's going to work?
42:25 --> 42:25 [UNKNOWN]: Pretty well.
42:26 --> 42:27 [UNKNOWN]: I need to do that.
42:27 --> 42:28 [UNKNOWN]: Violet, he's not as a solution.
42:28 --> 42:31 [UNKNOWN]: I've watched him reach bed a lot of people in my day.
42:33 --> 42:34 [UNKNOWN]: But we don't need to rage, babe.
42:34 --> 42:38 [UNKNOWN]: Brian, 863, because he always loyal and feels always faithful.
42:38 --> 42:39 [UNKNOWN]: He is a faithful.
42:39 --> 42:40 [UNKNOWN]: He is one of the faithful.
42:41 --> 42:54 [UNKNOWN]: He is a strong supporter of the podcast and has many roles, including writing in to say, I'm finishing up the film, really, and I ran across this great quote that captures things well for the episode two.
42:56 --> 43:12 [UNKNOWN]: Great was the anger of Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arslan at these tidings, the tidings that Sauron was taking over Middle-earth, and he, as he pondered long in secret, his heart was filled with the desire of power unbounded, and the soul dominion of his will.
43:13 --> 43:18 [UNKNOWN]: And he determined, without counsel of the Vallad, or the aid of any wisdom but his own.
43:19 --> 43:26 [UNKNOWN]: the title of King of men he would himself claim, and would compel Sauron to become his vessel and his servant.
43:27 --> 43:35 [UNKNOWN]: For in his pride he deemed that no king should ever arise so mighty as to vie with the heir of Elin Errandil.
43:36 --> 43:37 [UNKNOWN]: Thanks for the great coverage,
43:43 --> 44:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm reminded of that one time in the series when I think it's the second time we see photos on using the Palantir and he gets this glimpse of what I'm called how brand looking over his shoulder suddenly.
44:03 --> 44:13 [UNKNOWN]: and how Brunn was certainly of servant quality servant class as far as photos almost concerned, even in that first season, you know, he threw him in jail at one point, right?
44:14 --> 44:25 [UNKNOWN]: So the idea that he can see Sauron as his servant and his vessel, kind of seated there from the very beginning, so, um, nice catch.
44:26 --> 44:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:26 --> 44:27 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's great.
44:27 --> 44:36 [UNKNOWN]: There's this quote in the show where Bellzacar says, if you can make your own subjects in the old, how can you expect to make him refering to Sauron?
44:36 --> 44:37 [UNKNOWN]: So good.
44:37 --> 44:40 [UNKNOWN]: And I just think everyone should remember that.
44:41 --> 44:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:43 --> 44:54 [UNKNOWN]: And it goes into this whole question of power over and power with, you know, and, and dominion, and the questions of agency and information.
44:54 --> 44:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:54 --> 44:56 [UNKNOWN]: So this idea that
44:58 --> 45:03 [UNKNOWN]: far as own is so, I've got two thoughts running in my mind, simultaneously.
45:04 --> 45:18 [UNKNOWN]: One is like, wow, the showrunners did a great job of mining the lore and taking this element out of the Silmerillion and then building it into a visual story that we can see how high on his own supply far as own is.
45:19 --> 45:24 [UNKNOWN]: But then at the same time, that man, this guy is cookie, if you think he's gonna run game on Sauron.
45:24 --> 45:29 [UNKNOWN]: Like Sauron is the ultimate master of lies, right?
45:29 --> 45:36 [UNKNOWN]: He is the guy who, you know, gaslighting is his, and controlling things is his bread and butter.
45:36 --> 45:38 [UNKNOWN]: This is his job from date till night.
45:38 --> 45:40 [UNKNOWN]: And there's only things completely outclassed.
45:41 --> 45:46 [UNKNOWN]: The thing is, the Kingsman, because they are not faithful, did not do their homework.
45:46 --> 45:51 [UNKNOWN]: They don't know what kind of being Sauron really is, because good point.
45:51 --> 46:04 [UNKNOWN]: They, you know, it's definitely in the lore that the faithful would now, but the king's been deliberately are like, ah, we don't need those, we don't need those old scrolls and books, right?
46:04 --> 46:070 [UNKNOWN]: It's, he's set up for complete failure here.
46:08 --> 46:08 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
46:09 --> 46:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's been a long time since Fenraud died in the darkness in the prison cell of his own castle
46:19 --> 46:19 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
46:19 --> 46:22 [UNKNOWN]: Well, there's also a new intro which we briefly mentioned.
46:22 --> 46:24 [UNKNOWN]: Did anyone want to call anything out for that now?
46:24 --> 46:28 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like we should do a deeper dive on it later, but I just I couldn't tell what half of these things were.
46:28 --> 46:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Marilyn had some good points on it at the beginning.
46:31 --> 46:32 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't fully absorbed it yet.
46:32 --> 46:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's very, it's a really interesting visual design.
46:38 --> 46:42 [UNKNOWN]: And you know, I kind of missed the soundwave table from before because that had some really
46:44 --> 46:49 [UNKNOWN]: great resonance ha ha, the idea of the music of Aero.
46:50 --> 47:01 [UNKNOWN]: But this is interesting in sort of an active creation and something being created out of the primordial soup kind of thing.
47:01 --> 47:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's the way I was
47:03 --> 47:14 [UNKNOWN]: Vibing on it, but I'll just have to watch it a few more times to see what else I see, but I did see the sort of things rising up and kind of kind of what you call it.
47:15 --> 47:20 [UNKNOWN]: The things in the ocean, coral reef, kind of coral reef design coming with stuff.
47:20 --> 47:27 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's quite possible then instead of going to ban that castily thing is the current iteration of
47:28 --> 47:29 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
47:29 --> 47:34 [UNKNOWN]: Or it could be just an interesting design that we all get to map our own interpretations on.
47:35 --> 47:35 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
47:39 --> 47:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, somebody else has to do some interpretation of the sounds of the dead.
47:44 --> 47:49 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, Theo is going to have some, uh, some interesting interactions with Sauron.
47:49 --> 47:56 [UNKNOWN]: He's about to lose his skirmish for the ring when Sauron kills his last enemy, upon seeing Theo's arm mark.
47:56 --> 48:02 [UNKNOWN]: The dark lord asks how Theo got the blade that gave him the mark, and Theo tells him his father left it to him.
48:03 --> 48:04 [UNKNOWN]: But he has no idea who his father even was.
48:05 --> 48:13 [UNKNOWN]: Sarah asks if he'd like to meet his father, but is interrupted by a message that Marnuk has surrendered to the dwarves.
48:17 --> 48:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was I thought I was like, you kind of do this like I really do it.
48:22 --> 48:25 [UNKNOWN]: No, the whole internet everybody was bracing like, please don't do that.
48:25 --> 48:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:27 --> 48:29 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I would have been so upset if that happened.
48:30 --> 48:31 [UNKNOWN]: I would have quit the show.
48:31 --> 48:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right there, right?
48:32 --> 48:33 [UNKNOWN]: I would have been like, all right.
48:33 --> 48:34 [UNKNOWN]: I think we're good.
48:34 --> 48:34 [UNKNOWN]: That's a wrap.
48:34 --> 48:35 [UNKNOWN]: No, dear.
48:35 --> 48:36 [UNKNOWN]: No, dear.
48:36 --> 48:38 [UNKNOWN]: But the good news is that didn't happen.
48:38 --> 48:38 [UNKNOWN]: Correct.
48:39 --> 48:42 [UNKNOWN]: And from what I remember, course season one is a long time ago.
48:43 --> 48:43 [UNKNOWN]: for me.
48:43 --> 48:44 [UNKNOWN]: Isn't it though?
48:44 --> 48:45 [UNKNOWN]: Isn't it though?
48:45 --> 48:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I remember Theo finding this thing in Waldrig's barn underneath floor and looking at it as the way he'd never seen it before.
49:00 --> 49:03 [UNKNOWN]: and holding it up and that's when it puts the mark in his arm.
49:04 --> 49:04 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
49:04 --> 49:10 [UNKNOWN]: And then wrapping it up, keeping it hidden, I think, from everybody, including Bronwyn.
49:11 --> 49:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then eventually, of course, we learn it's the key that
49:14 --> 49:18 [UNKNOWN]: you know, turns the deck, which makes the waters flow and the eruption are about to do.
49:18 --> 49:23 [UNKNOWN]: But I can't ever remember any dialogue that, you know, this was your father's weapon.
49:23 --> 49:25 [UNKNOWN]: He wanted you to have it when you're old enough.
49:25 --> 49:30 [UNKNOWN]: This does feel like a bit of a retcon, but it could also be that the O's lying and Sarah does like a liar.
49:30 --> 49:31 [UNKNOWN]: He is Sarah on the deceiver.
49:33 --> 49:35 [UNKNOWN]: See, this is what I think, John.
49:35 --> 49:39 [UNKNOWN]: This is what I think he's making this assumption.
49:39 --> 49:41 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he knows that there would have helped bled at some point.
49:41 --> 49:43 [UNKNOWN]: And so this is as good as hook as any.
49:45 --> 49:45 [UNKNOWN]: to pull him in.
49:46 --> 49:53 [UNKNOWN]: And it could be that he's pretty good at reading minds, particularly young, vulnerable, and unshealed at minds.
49:53 --> 49:56 [UNKNOWN]: Right, and he might be like, all right, this kid's lying to me about where he got it.
49:56 --> 50:04 [UNKNOWN]: But his dad, he doesn't know who his dad is and I could sell him a story, do I think that the O was actually the heir to a king?
50:05 --> 50:06 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no.
50:06 --> 50:08 [UNKNOWN]: I think that was a lie.
50:08 --> 50:10 [UNKNOWN]: I do too, I do too.
50:10 --> 50:12 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting, really.
50:12 --> 50:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
50:14 --> 50:14 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
50:14 --> 50:25 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, if it isn't, I could see it going a lovely way, a lovely direction in terms of who Theo becomes, and I don't think it's a Nazgul, but we won't, we don't need to explore that at the moment.
50:26 --> 50:28 [UNKNOWN]: I just thought it was so cruel.
50:28 --> 50:36 [UNKNOWN]: The classics that I'll run to attempt Theo because they want to, you know, see his mother again, talked to his mother.
50:37 --> 50:43 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is, this is the reason why most people do get into necromancy in the first places.
50:43 --> 50:45 [UNKNOWN]: They want to speak to some beloved dead who died.
50:45 --> 50:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, post, you know a lot of necromancers?
50:48 --> 50:51 [UNKNOWN]: Well, from the necromancers I've talked to.
50:51 --> 50:53 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's full of them up here.
50:53 --> 50:59 [UNKNOWN]: Similar to post World War I when so many women had lost their husbands and their brothers and their sons.
51:00 --> 51:01 [UNKNOWN]: This is when
51:03 --> 51:08 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, table spinning and mediums.
51:09 --> 51:13 [UNKNOWN]: Receiving just a jays and never made that connection before.
51:13 --> 51:13 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
51:13 --> 51:19 [UNKNOWN]: These people who had lost loved ones in the war, aching, just aching because they're just gone.
51:21 --> 51:22 [UNKNOWN]: You're not going to see the remains there.
51:22 --> 51:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, whatever.
51:23 --> 51:25 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's so fascinating.
51:25 --> 51:27 [UNKNOWN]: speaking across the veil.
51:27 --> 51:32 [UNKNOWN]: So let's, let's save our necromancy talk for our next the next chunk.
51:32 --> 51:35 [UNKNOWN]: And for now, let's go right on to the misty mountain.
51:35 --> 51:44 [UNKNOWN]: Real quick, two things I wanted to say, we'll have it in acting at being exhausted by that fight against how many other people like that.
51:44 --> 51:49 [UNKNOWN]: I felt was really on point because to survive that, that
51:51 --> 51:53 [UNKNOWN]: I think that he's crushing this.
51:53 --> 51:54 [UNKNOWN]: He's got a great way, too.
51:55 --> 51:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know.
51:56 --> 51:58 [UNKNOWN]: The ringer does their wood watch or something.
51:58 --> 51:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
51:59 --> 52:00 [UNKNOWN]: I've been watching.
52:00 --> 52:04 [UNKNOWN]: Some of these wigs are not quite as good, but Theo's wig is on point.
52:05 --> 52:16 [UNKNOWN]: The other thing that I noticed in this is when Sauron standing over him up in the rafters of his throne room are a bunch of chains hanging around.
52:20 --> 52:20 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, come on.
52:20 --> 52:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's classic evil dark lord decoration.
52:23 --> 52:24 [UNKNOWN]: What's a trample?
52:24 --> 52:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what is a trample?
52:26 --> 52:27 [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know what a trample is.
52:27 --> 52:32 [UNKNOWN]: A trample is a bond that is not necessarily made of metal.
52:32 --> 52:33 [UNKNOWN]: It's how I would interpret it.
52:33 --> 52:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's a physical risk.
52:35 --> 52:35 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:35 --> 52:36 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:36 --> 52:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:37 --> 52:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:37 --> 52:38 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:38 --> 52:39 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:39 --> 52:39 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:39 --> 52:40 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:40 --> 52:41 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:41 --> 52:41 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:41 --> 52:42 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a physical risk.
52:42 --> 52:56 [UNKNOWN]: All right, of course, the, this was one of the most feared weapons in the Roman games of the Colosseum games, so called, you had the net wielder who had it and a, and a tried end.
52:57 --> 53:05 [UNKNOWN]: So, very strong sea image here, I mean, if Feltison never starts up his own games, he might want to look into this because very sea imagery again.
53:06 --> 53:09 [UNKNOWN]: But once you're caught in the net, it's weighted down.
53:12 --> 53:14 [UNKNOWN]: completely open to your opponent.
53:15 --> 53:15 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
53:16 --> 53:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
53:17 --> 53:19 [UNKNOWN]: That's going to be good for a forecast.
53:20 --> 53:22 [UNKNOWN]: Well, make a note.
53:22 --> 53:27 [UNKNOWN]: Well, someone is already in chains, and that's Marnook, who's in prison.
53:29 --> 53:30 [UNKNOWN]: You professional podcast.
53:30 --> 53:31 [UNKNOWN]: Feasting on bugs.
53:31 --> 53:33 [UNKNOWN]: It's not good if you point it out, David.
53:33 --> 53:35 [UNKNOWN]: You got to love the princess and just happen.
53:35 --> 53:36 [UNKNOWN]: I just let it flow.
53:37 --> 53:39 [UNKNOWN]: That's too smooth.
53:40 --> 53:42 [UNKNOWN]: He's feasting on bugs in his cell.
53:42 --> 53:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, the dwarves debate his request to meet with Galadriel.
53:47 --> 53:54 [UNKNOWN]: Disa wants to do its right and hand him over to the elves, Narvee disagrees thinking he will bring Saran's wrath down on them.
53:54 --> 54:03 [UNKNOWN]: Thrain comes in and says the bell can't be on run, ultimately, Doran gives him to Elrond.
54:05 --> 54:07 [UNKNOWN]: And what the world is that's supposed to mean?
54:08 --> 54:12 [UNKNOWN]: The fact that, okay, you've got the, you've got the order now.
54:14 --> 54:14 [UNKNOWN]: You can't not have him.
54:14 --> 54:15 [UNKNOWN]: What are you going to do with him?
54:15 --> 54:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I mean, talk about a comment that sounds wise and really contributes nothing to the coverage.
54:21 --> 54:24 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't, well, I think it sounds clever.
54:24 --> 54:25 [UNKNOWN]: It sounds like wisdom.
54:26 --> 54:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's exactly my point to answer.
54:29 --> 54:30 [UNKNOWN]: I understood what the room was saying, which was,
54:31 --> 54:50 [UNKNOWN]: you have been given a choice and people will know what choice you made you can't un-ring this bell this is your war bell am i am i ring it for saran or am i ring it for of the elves okay and now i'm remembering that they had initially said well let's just turf him out of custody right doom and let him wander
54:51 --> 54:56 [UNKNOWN]: And they were and we never saw him and basically they were saying like I can't pretend people are gonna know he was here.
54:57 --> 54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
54:57 --> 54:58 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
54:58 --> 54:59 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for that clarification.
55:00 --> 55:01 [UNKNOWN]: No, of course.
55:02 --> 55:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I, I'm with them, they need to help the elves.
55:06 --> 55:09 [UNKNOWN]: Let's, although this might end up very poorly.
55:09 --> 55:09 [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know.
55:10 --> 55:12 [UNKNOWN]: I, I really have no spoilers for those season, which is great.
55:13 --> 55:14 [UNKNOWN]: I've been avoiding it like the plague.
55:14 --> 55:15 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
55:16 --> 55:18 [UNKNOWN]: But it's, uh, it could end up very badly.
55:19 --> 55:22 [UNKNOWN]: If he's not telling the truth or if he's, you know, leaving them into a trap here.
55:22 --> 55:26 [UNKNOWN]: I, so I think they're very few people who don't believe that as well, John.
55:27 --> 55:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
55:28 --> 55:32 [UNKNOWN]: I want to put a visual pin into Marnook eating the centipede.
55:32 --> 55:36 [UNKNOWN]: We'll bring that up later because it goes back to something.
55:36 --> 55:36 [UNKNOWN]: Goody.
55:36 --> 55:38 [UNKNOWN]: Very something's very specific.
55:39 --> 55:51 [UNKNOWN]: But I wanted to touch on really quick this idea of a defector and what do you do with them and the suspicion that we all have, that this might be just a big old corn job.
55:52 --> 55:59 [UNKNOWN]: Um, when you have a defector in your hands, you've got to run them through an assessment.
55:59 --> 56:01 [UNKNOWN]: You've got to do some quality information checking on them.
56:02 --> 56:05 [UNKNOWN]: And so the first thing you've got to do is check their bona fides, their bona fides.
56:07 --> 56:29 [UNKNOWN]: Are they really who they say there are or is this really a you know major general from such and such army who's you know come over what not you got to find out you know who is this person and are they who they claim to be because it is also been known that fake defectors have been put into play and who they are are not especially if there's
56:29 --> 56:37 [UNKNOWN]: a veil where you can't see beyond into that other enemy or to that other nation states, you know, operations or histories.
56:37 --> 56:39 [UNKNOWN]: So you get to see who they are.
56:40 --> 56:42 [UNKNOWN]: You got to do some counterintelligence screening.
56:42 --> 56:44 [UNKNOWN]: You got to see what they're offering you.
56:44 --> 56:46 [UNKNOWN]: You have to check that against known sources.
56:47 --> 56:50 [UNKNOWN]: You got to go through that all through a systematic debriefing.
56:51 --> 56:58 [UNKNOWN]: really check their stories, check it twice, check it three times, you've got to go back to doing source validation and some deception analysis.
56:58 --> 57:04 [UNKNOWN]: So whenever you have a defector in your hand, it's not like, oh, cool, we got some cool information.
57:04 --> 57:05 [UNKNOWN]: Let's act on it.
57:06 --> 57:11 [UNKNOWN]: Just like they were talking about in this little council, you have to think very carefully and not just what are the
57:16 --> 57:19 [UNKNOWN]: is providing a strategic or tactical information.
57:19 --> 57:19 [UNKNOWN]: Is it helpful?
57:20 --> 57:37 [UNKNOWN]: Operation fortitude was an operation that the allies ran against the Germans to confuse them about where the landings were going to happen for DDA and in up in a place or something decala, if we get past decala.
57:38 --> 57:39 [UNKNOWN]: Pety de Calle, thank you.
57:39 --> 57:43 [UNKNOWN]: I apologize to our French friends for my interrible pronunciation.
57:43 --> 57:44 [UNKNOWN]: I don't.
57:44 --> 57:46 [UNKNOWN]: I never apologize to you, everybody knows that.
57:46 --> 57:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, you are an unapologetic American.
57:50 --> 57:52 [UNKNOWN]: Stand all, it's right, it's all right, I'm merg.
57:52 --> 57:58 [UNKNOWN]: You know what David, you sound like he would really enjoy this really cool new podcast for the lower hands.
57:58 --> 58:00 [UNKNOWN]: It's called Eagle Eyes.
58:00 --> 58:02 [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, hmm, hmm.
58:02 --> 58:04 [UNKNOWN]: Wonder what those guys are talking about over there.
58:04 --> 58:05 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, better check it out.
58:06 --> 58:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I heard they just had a 40th anniversary episode on that aliens in the 1986 movie.
58:11 --> 58:11 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I heard.
58:12 --> 58:22 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, so having a defector is a very dangerous weapon that can cut as easily as it can wound the enemy.
58:23 --> 58:26 [UNKNOWN]: So, that's what I have to say about that.
58:28 --> 58:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we have a lot more episode together, but first we're going to take a quick break.
58:54 --> 58:56 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so A.R.I.N.
58:56 --> 58:59 [UNKNOWN]: looks herself in the eyes as her hand-made and speaks ill of the faithful.
59:00 --> 59:06 [UNKNOWN]: She intrudes on the captive's beating, and he tells her the man with the white flame is coming with the wrath of the Valar.
59:07 --> 59:13 [UNKNOWN]: After dismissing the guards, she speaks to Halleth by name, and introduces herself as one of the faithful.
59:14 --> 59:21 [UNKNOWN]: To which he says he knows, she offers him pain relief, but he does not want to be incapacitated and give something away, so he asks for death.
59:22 --> 59:26 [UNKNOWN]: So he gives it to him and says she has the name they need.
59:27 --> 59:30 [UNKNOWN]: Later, Aryan's handmaiden is seen hanging.
59:31 --> 59:36 [UNKNOWN]: And Belzagar is sympathetic to Aryan's proximity to a trader.
59:36 --> 59:41 [UNKNOWN]: Belzagar says a more robust solution to the faithful will begin in the west.
59:42 --> 59:47 [UNKNOWN]: Can I just say it was not Aryan herself who gave the quietest to Halif?
59:48 --> 59:52 [UNKNOWN]: she walked out of the chamber and told the guards to go in and kill him.
59:52 --> 59:52 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
59:52 --> 59:53 [UNKNOWN]: I just want to make that clear.
59:54 --> 59:57 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, but she granted it.
59:57 --> 59:57 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
59:57 --> 59:59 [UNKNOWN]: She's the one who said go.
59:59 --> 59:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
59:59 --> 01:00:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:00 [UNKNOWN]: What I'm trying to say.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:01 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:02 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:03 [UNKNOWN]: I just wanted to make that clear.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: I found it a very interesting exercise to try and picture Bell's Guard as one of the faithful.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:14 [UNKNOWN]: Even back when he was a wee lad at his mum's knee.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:20 [UNKNOWN]: and he even speaks to Aryan in Kuenja and was that a ruse to
01:00:21 --> 01:00:49 [UNKNOWN]: make her believe that it just you ever have 1884 yeah yeah yeah it just it's very much like that right yeah it's kind of risky in a crowd like that watching one of the supposed faithful being hung i mean and can i just say i am vindicated i was right about arian i knew she was at the end of season two i knew she was going to return to the faithful to her father's faith which was her own to
01:00:50 --> 01:00:56 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and whether that was because, you know, loyalty to her family or her own true belief or whatever.
01:00:57 --> 01:01:01 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I just, I did not surprise me at all to see her sneaking out.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:05 [UNKNOWN]: However, in that play, uh, with the cloak overhead and talked to you, Zildoard.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:13 [UNKNOWN]: And I immediately said, Oh, boy, uh, she's going to get tripped up when she's trying to pull this little hell in her trick.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:16 [UNKNOWN]: you were very serious.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:17 [UNKNOWN]: I win a ball of cereal.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, very cool shot.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: Very visual when she puts the mirror on.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, her and then back on her own face.
01:01:27 --> 01:01:28 [UNKNOWN]: And you see her.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:30 [UNKNOWN]: you see her gear is working.
01:01:31 --> 01:01:33 [UNKNOWN]: And at this point, I wasn't sure.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:44 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, is she, does she think that this woman is actually a faithful in line or is she disgusted with the rhetoric because she is a faithful herself?
01:01:45 --> 01:01:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I like that.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:53 [UNKNOWN]: The mirror re-contextualized knowing that she is a faithful, she's like this woman wants to be dead.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:57 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's part of what she's thinking when she's looking into that mirror.
01:01:57 --> 01:02:04 [UNKNOWN]: And so as much as I complain about the way she died, I think this was an interesting character arc overall.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and can I just say that Emma Hover is absolutely killing it.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:11 [UNKNOWN]: She is...
01:02:12 --> 01:02:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm very sad that she's not going to be with you anymore.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:16 [UNKNOWN]: She did kill it.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:17 [UNKNOWN]: I should have, sorry.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:18 [UNKNOWN]: I shouldn't have.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:25 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm hoping maybe I'd be awfully nice if we could have some, you know, callbacks.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:29 [UNKNOWN]: Callbacks have been having with Kelebdenbord.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know who is going to be doing that or whatever.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:34 [UNKNOWN]: But one thing I am sorry is
01:02:36 --> 01:02:45 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't know what they're going to do, but at this point, I was really looking for more interaction of the three children and their father together.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:52 [UNKNOWN]: And now lost a quarter of that, which is going to affect her father.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:59 [UNKNOWN]: It's got to, and your brother, I mean, my little brother, another super abacting moment, you know.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:07 [UNKNOWN]: Right at the end where he was again, you know, and we have not seen brother numbers, you know, the second brother, the sibling number three.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:08 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:08 [UNKNOWN]: At this.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09 [UNKNOWN]: Waffo.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:10 [UNKNOWN]: Waffo.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:13 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's been, he's been, he's been, um, been in the drop.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:16 [UNKNOWN]: I believe, yes, yes, he's in one.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:19 [UNKNOWN]: He was, he's in one, he's in one.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:22 [UNKNOWN]: So, and I believe he was supposed to be in the West, right?
01:03:22 --> 01:03:25 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, it's, he's got to be coming, right?
01:03:25 --> 01:03:26 [UNKNOWN]: He's, he's got to be coming.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting parallels here between,
01:03:35 --> 01:04:01 [UNKNOWN]: very potent fathers doing their best to please and in you see all the work out there that issues still being pulled in a different direction because of his mommy issue right and right right yeah I don't know the mommy issue that's right even keman seems to have had a little bit of mommy issue because the one time we hear that is on speak to him of his mom he's just immediately what what what you say what you say I'm sure it will be
01:04:04 --> 01:04:07 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to know who you're shipping here John.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:09 [UNKNOWN]: I told you it's an enemies to leverage arc.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:10 [UNKNOWN]: Hemen and a seal door.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:11 [UNKNOWN]: I see.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:12 [UNKNOWN]: I see.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:17 [UNKNOWN]: You're seeing, you know, an enemy to a friend of me or every word John.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:19 [UNKNOWN]: I think you better wipe off your glass of the seal.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:33 [UNKNOWN]: What are the things that I found really fascinating about this whole question of the faithful and then, oh, they're disgusting and you know, we're the good people and what not is in our real world.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:39 [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes people who have extreme who are extremely highly motivated face,
01:04:40 --> 01:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: Sell it's often, you know, that's how sometimes we see them are as fanatics and their behavior is if we're outside of that, it's suspect and oh man, these guys are really, you know, like stay away, like it's obviously that all the, the cult stuff, especially it happened in the 70s, but you know, even beyond that, that's all sort of based in faith and people having faith in
01:05:09 --> 01:05:15 [UNKNOWN]: But in this show, they flip that, and the faithful are our Piero POV, right?
01:05:15 --> 01:05:17 [UNKNOWN]: They're the people that we want to connect with.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: Every time they talk about the faith flight, my internally, I'm like, oh, I have to recalibrate because usually I have a bias against that.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:26 [UNKNOWN]: Some way.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:28 [UNKNOWN]: Well, go ahead, Marilyn.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:33 [UNKNOWN]: If you think about, again, I go back to Germany in the 1930s.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:35 [UNKNOWN]: This is what you do.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:37 [UNKNOWN]: You dehumanize an entire group.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:41 [UNKNOWN]: you call them animals, you call them disgusting.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:42 [UNKNOWN]: You say they smell bad.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:43 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:43 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: And religion doesn't really come into it, particularly when we're the other.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:55 [UNKNOWN]: And and Nazism is notably e-religious and targeted a religious minority.
01:05:56 --> 01:05:57 [UNKNOWN]: So, Eid,
01:05:59 --> 01:06:02 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't think that being religious or not really has anything to do with it.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:06 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's what I'm saying is I was trying to pull it off of religion and just call it faith.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:09 [UNKNOWN]: But you could be finatical about a sports team like Liverpool say.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:12 [UNKNOWN]: And we had a hard couple of weeks.
01:06:13 --> 01:06:13 [UNKNOWN]: This week was better.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:31 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, when your identity fuses with the values and the beliefs of your, your, your, your sports team or a religious belief or a political belief, then, you know, that's when the individual loses.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: a sense of individuality and becomes absorbed to this thing.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:45 [UNKNOWN]: And so seeing them talk about the faithful the way that they do, how disgusted they are, and the King's Minner are better, it's just an interesting inversion.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's interesting, right?
01:06:47 --> 01:06:54 [UNKNOWN]: Because in Mark from Neverman, the music and I did a podcast on this, I don't remember what podcast it was attached to.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:55 [UNKNOWN]: What show it was attached to.
01:06:55 --> 01:07:00 [UNKNOWN]: But um, we did an episode on Sapiens, which had, oh yeah, there's there's some good bits in there.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:01 [UNKNOWN]: There's some bad bits in there.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:07 [UNKNOWN]: But one thing that I really appreciated that you've all know of Haurari said in that is, we'd never gave up religion.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 [UNKNOWN]: We just have modern religions.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:17 [UNKNOWN]: There are just belief structures, belief structures that are not called religion, just because they don't involve a literal God.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:25 [UNKNOWN]: So I, you know, it's not that the Kingsman don't have faith is that they have faith in one man.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:28 [UNKNOWN]: And that's why they're a problem.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:32 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas the valor, it's right, the faithful say, hey, we have faith in the valor.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's also quite a different thing when people alive, people you have met, have met the valor.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:41 [UNKNOWN]: Galazia has met the valor.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:42 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:46 [UNKNOWN]: There's no question about the existence or non-existence of right here in this world.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's pretty clear, your island was created.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:50 --> 01:07:53 [UNKNOWN]: By the valor, and you have records of this.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: A giant eagle shows up every once in a while.
01:07:55 --> 01:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:07:56 --> 01:08:03 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and by the way, you claimed that giant eagle as an imprimator upon your leadership, so how are you going to flip that around?
01:08:03 --> 01:08:04 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: But in the case of full-collectial ladle, it is no longer a question of faith or belief.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:11 [UNKNOWN]: It is experiential knowing.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:15 [UNKNOWN]: You can't tell me they don't exist because I've seen them.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: I've talked with them, I've walked among them.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:19 [UNKNOWN]: They've taught me.
01:08:19 --> 01:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: My hair has the inklings of their essence woven into it.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's the two trees, of course.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:32 [UNKNOWN]: Well, Ray, but that's the product of the creators of the divine powers.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:32 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:41 [UNKNOWN]: evidence I'm saying all all that to say is I and I don't want to be like religion is always good No, I'm not saying about religion.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying when when when I you know when often when you hear about People doing the greatest things they said oh, I did it for my faith.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:55 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I did it for my belief structures and and so yeah, and those can be
01:08:56 --> 01:08:58 [UNKNOWN]: religious or non-religious.
01:08:58 --> 01:08:58 [UNKNOWN]: Correct.
01:08:58 --> 01:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: So the extreme, I think the extreme is extremism.
01:09:01 --> 01:09:05 [UNKNOWN]: The enemy is not, the enemy is kind of extremism of any kind, right?
01:09:05 --> 01:09:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's certainty.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's certainty, yes.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:16 [UNKNOWN]: It's a conclave, and, you know, you have anybody can, as you say, David, slip into phoneticism, anything.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:21 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that is the point at which especially in New York English Premier League.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:24 [UNKNOWN]: You know what, that was a bullshit call.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:26 [UNKNOWN]: from the rap.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:30 [UNKNOWN]: We should have had a penalty shot so bad.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: In fact, an independent panel said that we deserved a penalty shot and they didn't give it.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:38 [UNKNOWN]: It could have been a tie arsenal.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:41 [UNKNOWN]: This league is just in bed with arsenal.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:42 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what they're doing.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:43 [UNKNOWN]: All right, back to you, David.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:51 [UNKNOWN]: having sufficiently yanked John's, I think you have one or two other things to share with us today.
01:09:51 --> 01:10:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just really quickly, they're developing two really interesting storylines here, obviously one ends at the end of this episode, but we have a double agent, a Yaryan and a defector with Marnook.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:04 [UNKNOWN]: Both are, there's,
01:10:04 --> 01:10:19 [UNKNOWN]: Questions of credibility and the need to take actions, and I mentioned this at the top of the episode that short-term actions that violate your morals or principles while you're trying to serve the long-term goal of stabilizing or overthrowing your enemy.
01:10:20 --> 01:10:27 [UNKNOWN]: in this idea of moral injury, the moral injury that E.R.N is taking on by, you know, and she's later she confesses about ordering the death of, uh, what's his name, Hemman?
01:10:27 --> 01:10:35 [UNKNOWN]: Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Helm, Hel
01:10:35 --> 01:10:47 [UNKNOWN]: And that she's struggling, you know, that ultimately this is weighing on her soul and how long she's, you know, been doing this double agent stuff, it wears on her, whereas we have the flip side of that is, you know, Marnook, a defector.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:55 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know his motivations yet, but he's clear, eyed, and clear-hearted in his deception or honesty in his defection.
01:10:55 --> 01:11:00 [UNKNOWN]: But it's an interesting, little pair that they create with Marnook and Earrion.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 [UNKNOWN]: He's equally clear that he knows that
01:11:03 --> 01:11:09 [UNKNOWN]: None of those elves trust him any further than they can heat them correct But yeah, he's a leader of purpose.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:11 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's enjoying it.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, he's a bad.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I enjoy sticking it to the elves.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:16 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
01:11:16 --> 01:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: Right Cool So we've got more to cover here.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:30 [UNKNOWN]: We've got to go south to the Bay of Elros Aryan meets her brother Isildor at the random tree as you all have told me
01:11:32 --> 01:11:34 [UNKNOWN]: and tells him of how let's death.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:37 [UNKNOWN]: Arian is struggling to play the role she is stuck in.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:42 [UNKNOWN]: He offers her a way out in the West, but she takes responsibility for how Numinor is now.
01:11:43 --> 01:11:45 [UNKNOWN]: She tells him the West is no longer safe.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:51 [UNKNOWN]: The siblings ride to the Bay of El Rose to the South and hear a sermon from Muriel.
01:11:51 --> 01:11:53 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, it is, yeah, it's okay, go ahead.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:57 [UNKNOWN]: She says the new recruits will sail to the havens.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:05 [UNKNOWN]: privately-merial scold is sealed or for making the divisions greater and killing an innocent woman.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:09 [UNKNOWN]: She reduces that there will be reprisals for the violence.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:12 [UNKNOWN]: Aria admits that they're coming for the havens.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:20 [UNKNOWN]: Merial says, they have no time to warn a lendial, but Aria and plants a sneak to the Palantir to send a message.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:28 [UNKNOWN]: So we've got kind of done some of this already we've been bleeding together.
01:12:30 --> 01:12:35 [UNKNOWN]: I do love this quote though, let his death not be, let his death be not a doom but a gift.
01:12:36 --> 01:12:38 [UNKNOWN]: that it's something a faithful would say.
01:12:39 --> 01:12:43 [UNKNOWN]: Right, I am, I'm erasing the individual identity of that individual.
01:12:43 --> 01:12:49 [UNKNOWN]: He again, and glorifying him in the, oh, he gave his life for this noble sacrifice.
01:12:50 --> 01:12:57 [UNKNOWN]: And it's an easy way to get past your grief and pain and regret and the moral injury of being involved in this conflict.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:20 [UNKNOWN]: it's been in yarny buying it she's just like no dude that was a dude and i ordered his death and that weighs on me so right give me your faithful bullshit well that's that's a very that's one interpretation yeah yeah i think obviously they're both feeling guilty about the hundred percent right now how could they not but i think it weighs particularly on a
01:13:24 --> 01:13:31 [UNKNOWN]: gave the idea to Belzagar and Phatazon on how to start swaying the people away from Muriel and towards him.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:35 [UNKNOWN]: And that is a heavy burden to bear.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:38 [UNKNOWN]: And yes, this is the language of the faithful.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:44 [UNKNOWN]: It is a tough life.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:45 [UNKNOWN]: It is a hard life.
01:13:47 --> 01:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: The doom.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: can also be a gift.
01:13:51 --> 01:13:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's something that Tolkien truly believed.
01:13:55 --> 01:14:00 [UNKNOWN]: And he was one who struggled with the death of both his parents by the time he was 12 years old.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:01 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:03 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe he's trying to comfort himself.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm fine with that.
01:14:06 --> 01:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: I see no no problem with that.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't even see self deception with that.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:13 [UNKNOWN]: I think he does come to believe.
01:14:13 --> 01:14:17 [UNKNOWN]: The struggle is, who set this whole thing up in the first place?
01:14:18 --> 01:14:19 [UNKNOWN]: And that's where faith comes in.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:22 [UNKNOWN]: You could still believe in a deity.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:28 [UNKNOWN]: The faith comes in when you say, do you really know what you're doing up there, friend?
01:14:28 --> 01:14:29 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:14:30 --> 01:14:32 [UNKNOWN]: Um, please tell me, how do I, you know,
01:14:34 --> 01:14:36 [UNKNOWN]: How do I understand this?
01:14:36 --> 01:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: And that's where theology comes in.
01:14:38 --> 01:14:38 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:14:38 --> 01:14:46 [UNKNOWN]: You know, there's a whole category I can't remember the name right now, but basically the definition is justifying all the other things.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's not, well, Christian apologetics, generally, but there's specifically around God, feel something or other listeners right in, you can tell me what the word is, I know it exists.
01:14:58 --> 01:14:58 [UNKNOWN]: C.S.
01:14:58 --> 01:15:08 [UNKNOWN]: Lewis, you know, right or Christian apologetics general, but I also had the problem of pain, which I've read, which is a whole book on, if there is a good in loving God, why is there pain in the world?
01:15:09 --> 01:15:12 [UNKNOWN]: And that's exactly the question that Tolkien asked for all of his life.
01:15:14 --> 01:15:16 [UNKNOWN]: Sounds like an episode of the pit, John.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:21 [UNKNOWN]: Dude, I thought you were going to say, it sounds like another horror episode.
01:15:21 --> 01:15:22 [UNKNOWN]: As I said, wow!
01:15:22 --> 01:15:24 [UNKNOWN]: I do think that the gifts are meant.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:27 [UNKNOWN]: It's the question of what you do in that.
01:15:28 --> 01:15:30 [UNKNOWN]: It comes up in both seasons one in season two of the pit.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:32 [UNKNOWN]: And season three's coming back.
01:15:33 --> 01:15:35 [UNKNOWN]: I don't see how they could in general.
01:15:36 --> 01:15:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:39 [UNKNOWN]: The problem of pain and the gift of men.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:45 [UNKNOWN]: would be a good lawyer cast in general to explore sort of that idea and how Tolkien thought about it.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:46 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, sure.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:47 [UNKNOWN]: Boom.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:48 [UNKNOWN]: Add it to the list.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:50 [UNKNOWN]: The doom of men.
01:15:51 --> 01:15:52 [UNKNOWN]: We're right on the list reproduction.
01:15:53 --> 01:15:56 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to have enough lawyer cast to last us until see.
01:15:56 --> 01:15:57 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:15:57 --> 01:15:58 [UNKNOWN]: We just keep doing them.
01:15:59 --> 01:15:59 [UNKNOWN]: Keep doing them.
01:15:59 --> 01:16:01 [UNKNOWN]: This is best value season pass you've ever had.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:03 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:05 [UNKNOWN]: It is a huge value.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: Who's the dude in the painting that she likes the candle underneath of?
01:16:09 --> 01:16:10 [UNKNOWN]: I couldn't see it clearly enough.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm watching on a fairly small screen.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I kind of assumed shot.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:18 [UNKNOWN]: I kind of assumed Elrose, but I don't know for sure.
01:16:18 --> 01:16:22 [UNKNOWN]: It makes sense in the context of if that tree is the white tree.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:24 [UNKNOWN]: And even if it isn't, I don't know.
01:16:24 --> 01:16:26 [UNKNOWN]: We didn't see it in picture once.
01:16:26 --> 01:16:32 [UNKNOWN]: And we know that in future episodes, Elrose will be more than named dropped.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:32 [UNKNOWN]: I was saying no more.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:36 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, that's two named drops in two episodes, right?
01:16:36 --> 01:16:54 [UNKNOWN]: Now, again, I just, I really appreciate that they gave a audience some death to her character and to her seeming heel-turn, and again, I saw that coming to the end of the second season anyway, but summed up in Numenor is like this because of me.
01:16:54 --> 01:16:59 [UNKNOWN]: Now, a good counselor would say to her, you are taking too much responsibility on yourself.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:04 [UNKNOWN]: You are not the one making the rules, you are not the one enforcing the rules.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:13 [UNKNOWN]: you did what you thought was best at the time, and yes, that's had some horrible consequences, but you did not intend it to be like this.
01:17:14 --> 01:17:17 [UNKNOWN]: But there's nobody there to tell her these things.
01:17:17 --> 01:17:24 [UNKNOWN]: She's living in a very tight bubble because she can't afford to let any of that come out.
01:17:25 --> 01:17:33 [UNKNOWN]: And as a result, she has to say some really horrible things about the faithful and play a really obnoxious character
01:17:34 --> 01:17:38 [UNKNOWN]: you know, if it were true, she'd really would be kemen's equal.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the the moral problem of espionage, right?
01:17:42 --> 01:17:52 [UNKNOWN]: When you're, yes, when you're playing a double agent and you have to, she, I mean, she's got two deaths on her, uh, on her way to in this episode.
01:17:52 --> 01:17:55 [UNKNOWN]: She has the, the handmade and, and, uh, haleth.
01:17:56 --> 01:18:04 [UNKNOWN]: And as those accumulate, as those moral injury, so accumulate, she can't take it anymore.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she's starting to crack.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:10 [UNKNOWN]: And it's very important for people to know their own limitation.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:15 [UNKNOWN]: And he's still going to even try as to tell her, look, you don't have to stick this.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:15 [UNKNOWN]: You're done.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:16 [UNKNOWN]: You've gone so far.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:17 [UNKNOWN]: It's a nice thing.
01:18:18 --> 01:18:25 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe if he had taken a little more authority and said, I'm telling you to leave because you're going to become a liability.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:27 [UNKNOWN]: This is, she might have listened to that.
01:18:28 --> 01:18:30 [UNKNOWN]: In spycraft, you have a handler.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:32 [UNKNOWN]: And your handler has a manager.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:43 [UNKNOWN]: There is a team of people who are looking out after you and to are checking you and then being able to say, OK, this is the time when you need to get out.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:51 [UNKNOWN]: And some of the best spy stories in book form, and especially in some movies, are when an asset starts to crack.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:52 [UNKNOWN]: And they're like, you got to get me out.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:54 [UNKNOWN]: And the handler's like, no, no, no, no,
01:18:56 --> 01:19:00 [UNKNOWN]: And you have that tension of is summoning in a break or or get out of time.
01:19:00 --> 01:19:01 [UNKNOWN]: So great, great for drama.
01:19:02 --> 01:19:07 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, she doesn't have a proper handler looking out and saying, no, you are cooked.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:08 [UNKNOWN]: We're pulling you out.
01:19:08 --> 01:19:16 [UNKNOWN]: She has a zildora and she has Muriel And that's her brother and her queen and she refuses to listen to them because this guilt is still
01:19:17 --> 01:19:19 [UNKNOWN]: Right, she's got to take it even further, right?
01:19:19 --> 01:19:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because Numinor is looking like this.
01:19:20 --> 01:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's my fault.
01:19:21 --> 01:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's a bad motivation.
01:19:24 --> 01:19:26 [UNKNOWN]: I've also been noticing, oh, sorry, John, go ahead.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:29 [UNKNOWN]: I was just going to say, it's a tough call, right?
01:19:29 --> 01:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it is tough call.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:34 [UNKNOWN]: Because, yeah, it is partially her fault.
01:19:34 --> 01:19:36 [UNKNOWN]: And like, in large part her fault.
01:19:36 --> 01:19:39 [UNKNOWN]: But, you know, she can only do so much.
01:19:40 --> 01:19:45 [UNKNOWN]: to heal it by herself and she does have to partner with people and protect herself.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's got, you know, put on your own oxygen mask before you put on your child.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:49 [UNKNOWN]: True.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:50 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
01:19:51 --> 01:19:56 [UNKNOWN]: And I do think that she probably could have done more good had she fled at that point.
01:19:56 --> 01:19:57 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly, John.
01:19:58 --> 01:19:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:19:58 --> 01:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:19:59 --> 01:20:01 [UNKNOWN]: Knowing your limitations and respecting them.
01:20:02 --> 01:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: hundred percent and that's where it's still door should have you know just like okay you don't you're not able to make a rational decision in this moment I am making the decision for you and I'm going to exercise power over you in in the sake of for your own good because you're not actually able to make that your own agency you know fully informed choice and that night she was tied to the horse.
01:20:26 --> 01:20:40 [UNKNOWN]: The one that's escaping, the one that's escaping, yes, yeah, yeah, well, I was noticing not a call references in this episode in particular, you know, they want to swing the tide and in the hole.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:43 [UNKNOWN]: After a while, I was going to...
01:20:44 --> 01:20:46 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, okay, I get it.
01:20:47 --> 01:20:49 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:54 [UNKNOWN]: If well, maybe it just, there's so much other language that is just so exquisite.
01:20:54 --> 01:20:57 [UNKNOWN]: This seemed kind of interesting.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, how many metaphors, do you have to throw in there?
01:21:01 --> 01:21:01 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:15 [UNKNOWN]: Well, in this episode too, we both get murials sort of insurgency, and then later, we find out who the man of the white flame is, so we all knew who the man of the white flame is.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:17 [UNKNOWN]: I forgot.
01:21:17 --> 01:21:23 [UNKNOWN]: They kept talking about the West, and I thought they were talking about somewhere else, not the West to become a whore, I'm like a plunge, I was like the West, yeah.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the West, you know, the West, the far West, no, that makes sense, that makes sense.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm still catching up, I'm still catching up.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:41 [UNKNOWN]: Again, I am fully with Millio when she says, dividing the world into us and then creates a chasm that can only be filled with suffering.
01:21:42 --> 01:21:44 [UNKNOWN]: Now, that was eloquent language.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:48 [UNKNOWN]: And it still uses the word chasm, right?
01:21:49 --> 01:21:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's there.
01:21:52 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: And again, it's another character, happens to be two females who are saying, do the right thing.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:58 [UNKNOWN]: And that's the place to stand.
01:21:58 --> 01:22:05 [UNKNOWN]: Even if it has repercussions and it gets messy, you're standing in a place that actually is morally defensible.
01:22:06 --> 01:22:11 [UNKNOWN]: And you will have power from that place, as opposed to doing something that is a contrivens of some kind.
01:22:11 --> 01:22:17 [UNKNOWN]: You're trying to like contoured and make up rationalizations after the fact that's a weak position.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:23 [UNKNOWN]: and sometimes the right thing is to retreat.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yep, yep, or to stop being the spy.
01:22:27 --> 01:22:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: And we have a couple more people retreating.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:34 [UNKNOWN]: After they get a nice turn talking to from the green.
01:22:35 --> 01:22:37 [UNKNOWN]: Too nice to go, visit Cazadoo.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:39 [UNKNOWN]: It feels like the beginning of a joke, right?
01:22:39 --> 01:22:41 [UNKNOWN]: Too nice to go, walk into a bourbon realm.
01:22:42 --> 01:22:43 [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
01:22:44 --> 01:22:44 [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:50 [UNKNOWN]: door-in demands they take off Sauron's rings, and they respond by showing their faces and using kind words.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:52 [UNKNOWN]: In exchange for the seven rings, they just want Marnuk back.
01:22:53 --> 01:22:56 [UNKNOWN]: One of the Nazynagoul then uses the ring to minister in.
01:22:57 --> 01:23:04 [UNKNOWN]: But Threen arrives to mock the men and ask if they have authority to declare war on all dwarven realms.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:06 [UNKNOWN]: They promised to tackle the Sauron.
01:23:07 --> 01:23:11 [UNKNOWN]: Threen apologizes for not being their sooner, but looks emotionless as his brother hugs him.
01:23:15 --> 01:23:20 [UNKNOWN]: He scolds them for visiting him at home, and promises Duran will fall into the trap soon.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:32 [UNKNOWN]: Bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-b
01:23:48 --> 01:23:51 [UNKNOWN]: There were so many cues that he was a stinker.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:55 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just the way he was trying to hit on D. So that was enough for me.
01:23:56 --> 01:23:57 [UNKNOWN]: That's interesting.
01:23:57 --> 01:23:58 [UNKNOWN]: I, yes, he's slimy.
01:23:59 --> 01:24:01 [UNKNOWN]: But I thought he was more like, hey, I want the kingship.
01:24:01 --> 01:24:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I thought.
01:24:02 --> 01:24:05 [UNKNOWN]: Not, I'm going to work with the dark lord.
01:24:05 --> 01:24:06 [UNKNOWN]: That's a step further.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I suppose, but when I, when I saw the scene, I thought, oh, okay, yeah.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:23 [UNKNOWN]: make sense, you know, you need a bigger bully to fight the bully that you're not wanting to confront directly add it.
01:24:23 --> 01:24:26 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, you're right.
01:24:26 --> 01:24:27 [UNKNOWN]: There wasn't an incentive.
01:24:27 --> 01:24:30 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and then it said, yeah, right, that makes sense.
01:24:31 --> 01:24:35 [UNKNOWN]: Because it's going to take a lot to get all those doors on side.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:24:37 --> 01:24:42 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, a couple of Nazcles of, you know, they're fairly strong argument, I think.
01:24:42 --> 01:24:43 [UNKNOWN]: Nazan and Agul.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's not gonna go long.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's gonna get into a cool, they are really cool.
01:24:50 --> 01:24:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how did these dudes show up in here?
01:24:52 --> 01:24:56 [UNKNOWN]: They're taking off their mat like that whole, this whole scene was just like cool.
01:24:56 --> 01:24:59 [UNKNOWN]: It was like, the design of them is fantastic.
01:24:59 --> 01:25:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, clearly Jack Sony and just mostly rip off, but they're doing a good like, upgrade to it.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:07 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was,
01:25:09 --> 01:25:19 [UNKNOWN]: There was a moment when I said, oh, so he sat on squizzling, is he referring to all of your illusions to spycraft and warfare and all that stuff, do it?
01:25:20 --> 01:25:26 [UNKNOWN]: And he actually, you know, he doesn't seem to fear them at the slightest, the way he's upgrading them.
01:25:26 --> 01:25:29 [UNKNOWN]: I told you not to do this, so, you know,
01:25:31 --> 01:25:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's got, he probably moved on his part.
01:25:33 --> 01:25:35 [UNKNOWN]: He's using his, he has leverage.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:40 [UNKNOWN]: They don't, because, because he's, you know, he's got to deal with Sauron.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:44 [UNKNOWN]: And if they, if these guys blow up the deal, then it's their fault not his.
01:25:44 --> 01:25:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:25:44 --> 01:25:54 [UNKNOWN]: So, well, I also thought it was interesting that they introduced the idea that, for doors, it's a real thing that guests don't just arrive and invite it.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:59 [UNKNOWN]: So did they use their invisibility powers to get in?
01:25:59 --> 01:26:00 [UNKNOWN]: Is that what they did?
01:26:01 --> 01:26:04 [UNKNOWN]: But the rings allow them invisibility?
01:26:04 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: David, I think we just have to give a lot of grace to the showrunners on this one because we know very little about the capacities of what the showrunners are calling rings servants before they become race.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:26:19 --> 01:26:23 [UNKNOWN]: And there've been a lot of conversations about how people really didn't like.
01:26:23 --> 01:26:26 [UNKNOWN]: How easy it was for the one in a school to beat up Galadriel.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:38 [UNKNOWN]: What I say is, you know, if you start to historical argument and say, oh, well, you know, they weren't around you here and that at that time, I'm like, folks, the timeline has already been switched.
01:26:38 --> 01:26:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:42 [UNKNOWN]: So you can't really talk about timeline criticism anymore.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:42 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: They're giving us, they're filling in this,
01:26:45 --> 01:26:55 [UNKNOWN]: pretty big void because I don't know if any sources in which Tolkien talks about the process of going from human to bring nice.
01:26:56 --> 01:26:59 [UNKNOWN]: And this is another open and fertile area for them to create.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:02 [UNKNOWN]: So I want to sit back and see what are they giving us.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:23 [UNKNOWN]: And what are they trying to say about something similar on said in episode one about the ring and not only the sort of the dual nature of your existence after this, but there was something about what the ring grants and I don't remember the line, but I remember something about being I interpreted as being oh you could you could to have a invisibility if you want it
01:27:23 --> 01:27:28 [UNKNOWN]: Right, but of course, bar first thoughts for those of us familiar with the lore.
01:27:28 --> 01:27:35 [UNKNOWN]: Think, oh, yeah, you're good at invisibility thing, but it's going to be a couple of assenties down the line.
01:27:35 --> 01:27:36 [UNKNOWN]: How good is that?
01:27:36 --> 01:27:37 [UNKNOWN]: How much good is that to you?
01:27:38 --> 01:27:39 [UNKNOWN]: And also like the, the,
01:27:40 --> 01:27:59 [UNKNOWN]: Nazgul get a raw deal because by the time of the Lord of the Rings, we're full spoilers for the Lord of the Rings, just not for what yeah, and the Hobbit, but not for what's happening in the second age after this, but by the time of the Lord of the Rings, they don't even have the rings anymore, because Sarah's like, you don't need these anymore.
01:27:59 --> 01:28:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm taking them back.
01:28:000 --> 01:28:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yep, so they get none of the benefits and all of the costs of having interesting.
01:28:05 --> 01:28:06 [UNKNOWN]: That's interesting.
01:28:06 --> 01:28:16 [UNKNOWN]: Ultimately, because in this they're wearing crowns and they get all this cool stuff and in the movie, they're just in heavy cloaks, we're in faceless.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:20 [UNKNOWN]: And the only way reason why they wear those is because
01:28:22 --> 01:28:26 [UNKNOWN]: they still have some physical form in this world.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:30 [UNKNOWN]: But if they don't hang a cloak around themselves, nobody will see them.
01:28:30 --> 01:28:31 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
01:28:32 --> 01:28:37 [UNKNOWN]: So they have to fill this, you know, piece of material with what remains of their bodies.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:44 [UNKNOWN]: And remember the very first season, we have this concept of power not of the flesh, but over flesh.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:45 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:48 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's one sort of ore theme that we need to keep in mind.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:58 [UNKNOWN]: Besides, just having a bunch of invisible beings on horseback running around the country side, we're pretty boring for us, visually, as a movie going audience.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:08 [UNKNOWN]: Well, exactly, and I think they wanted to distinguish the ring's servants enough from the ring raise.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, that they're giving him the credit.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:15 [UNKNOWN]: Why all the people who are saying, yeah, why don't you leave Jackson a little, why don't you come up with your own stuff?
01:29:15 --> 01:29:17 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they are coming up with their own stuff.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:24 [UNKNOWN]: So let's not tear it down until we've seen the full spread of the entire season and see what they're offering us.
01:29:24 --> 01:29:25 [UNKNOWN]: Work for me.
01:29:27 --> 01:29:29 [UNKNOWN]: Well, Threen is not a great dude.
01:29:29 --> 01:29:34 [UNKNOWN]: Marilyn, you have this speculation on which of the Nuz and the Gouldies are.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:39 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I have captions running.
01:29:39 --> 01:29:43 [UNKNOWN]: So I know that it's the loss of King again.
01:29:43 --> 01:29:44 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we does say that in the captions.
01:29:45 --> 01:29:47 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how else I would do this job.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:51 [UNKNOWN]: I just thought that you, I don't know, from like, you saw like castles or that.
01:29:51 --> 01:29:52 [UNKNOWN]: Favorite told kids going.
01:29:52 --> 01:29:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, yeah, I'll thank you.
01:29:54 --> 01:29:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know how you divine your, you use the Palantir and you're far seeing.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:00 [UNKNOWN]: Stop.
01:30:01 --> 01:30:01 [UNKNOWN]: And the other one.
01:30:01 --> 01:30:02 [UNKNOWN]: Library.
01:30:02 --> 01:30:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the ones.
01:30:04 --> 01:30:05 [UNKNOWN]: Please don't burn them.
01:30:05 --> 01:30:06 [UNKNOWN]: Please don't burn them.
01:30:06 --> 01:30:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:30:07 --> 01:30:09 [UNKNOWN]: The other is from Houdad.
01:30:10 --> 01:30:10 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:30:10 --> 01:30:14 [UNKNOWN]: Which they cue by the, the fact that it's played by a black actor.
01:30:17 --> 01:30:23 [UNKNOWN]: So let's go on to Marnook and we'll all that he has to offer the realms of elves.
01:30:25 --> 01:30:28 [UNKNOWN]: Marnook meets with Galadriel, Elron and Arondir.
01:30:28 --> 01:30:35 [UNKNOWN]: The work tells them that Saron has an army from Rune that he is creating, and that he is creating the one ring to rule them all.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:46 [UNKNOWN]: He claims to honor Adar's agreement to ally with Galadriel against Saron, as the Orcs would become nothing but food for enemy swords of Saron for just his ring successfully.
01:30:46 --> 01:30:51 [UNKNOWN]: But Saron can't make the ring without the secret of the three which only Marnook knows how to find.
01:30:54 --> 01:30:58 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, nose all, caliber more secrets, and survived.
01:30:58 --> 01:31:03 [UNKNOWN]: Marnook led her to Saran's prison at the fortress of Gundabad, after the fall of Oregian.
01:31:04 --> 01:31:08 [UNKNOWN]: He wants to travel there with the elves and prevents Saran from getting the knowledge.
01:31:08 --> 01:31:11 [UNKNOWN]: Elron finally agrees to seek help from Numinor.
01:31:11 --> 01:31:16 [UNKNOWN]: Around here, decides to go north with Galadriel and trust Infyos well-being.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:21 [UNKNOWN]: As the elves prepare to leave, Galadriel promises there is good in Numenor.
01:31:22 --> 01:31:27 [UNKNOWN]: She also recognizes Arondir as friend, and insists they rely on Fellowship.
01:31:30 --> 01:31:34 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, um, go with me on this one here.
01:31:36 --> 01:31:41 [UNKNOWN]: So we have Marnook eating that centipede.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:42 [UNKNOWN]: I guess.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:44 [UNKNOWN]: Reminded me of Gollum in the cave, eating fish.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:45 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:47 [UNKNOWN]: And then in a worm, a worm.
01:31:47 --> 01:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a worm, there you go.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:52 [UNKNOWN]: And then he's hungry, like, hobbits are, like, oh, I got to eat before we go on this journey.
01:31:53 --> 01:32:08 [UNKNOWN]: And then he's going to do some leading of some people into a place of danger, and they themselves are a dangerous foe or ally leading our good guys into a bad place on a Hail Mary play for a sort of single knockout blow.
01:32:09 --> 01:32:16 [UNKNOWN]: But first, they have to deliberate about it over Elrond's council table, and then they ultimately rely on fellowship.
01:32:17 --> 01:32:18 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well done, David.
01:32:18 --> 01:32:19 [UNKNOWN]: Well done.
01:32:19 --> 01:32:27 [UNKNOWN]: Lord of the Rings, or season three here, episode two, is to Lord of the Rings as Force Awakens is to a new hope.
01:32:28 --> 01:32:32 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, this is just like, oh, I was just thinking council of over on.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, but no, they're pulling like all of this stuff is just coding, Lord of the Rings, like, you know, it's like rebooting the Lord of the Rings.
01:32:39 --> 01:32:43 [UNKNOWN]: We got to have a journey, we got to have deliberations, we're going to have fellowship.
01:32:43 --> 01:32:46 [UNKNOWN]: So I just, it was just bringing out to me that.
01:32:46 --> 01:32:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is they're just taking a whole bunch of Lord of the Rings stuff and just zipping it into here.
01:32:58 --> 01:33:02 [UNKNOWN]: or your recognition of the fact that Galatriel calls Marhuk Uruk.
01:33:02 --> 01:33:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes.
01:33:04 --> 01:33:05 [UNKNOWN]: Which I also noticed.
01:33:06 --> 01:33:06 [UNKNOWN]: Specifically.
01:33:07 --> 01:33:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:07 --> 01:33:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:09 --> 01:33:12 [UNKNOWN]: I was interested.
01:33:12 --> 01:33:13 [UNKNOWN]: What's the same?
01:33:14 --> 01:33:14 [UNKNOWN]: In, uh,
01:33:15 --> 01:33:40 [UNKNOWN]: Galadriel never told Arondear or Elron it seems like or I guess Elron nukas he was there right but definitely never told Arondear that she had made an alliance with Adar and he's like wait what and you have that you know that mean where it's like the side eyes It's uh, they they look at each other like Yeah, I wonder if they're planting seeds here Because on the one hand We're told that
01:33:42 --> 01:33:43 [UNKNOWN]: Ron Deer still has Theo on his mind.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:52 [UNKNOWN]: And I almost like to think there's some kind of elish receptivity going on here, it's not on Theo's struggle.
01:33:52 --> 01:33:57 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a can't be a sonway because humans don't well, humans can't be a sonway.
01:33:57 --> 01:33:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but between them.
01:33:59 --> 01:33:59 [UNKNOWN]: But
01:34:00 --> 01:34:01 [UNKNOWN]: they have to be trained in it.
01:34:02 --> 01:34:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's it's something that is easier for for else to do and and I really don't think that the I was ever been trained until some way but the Alvish ability to pick up Vibes and when you know something is troubling me I can't remember some of the lines that we get in in Lord of the Rings so
01:34:22 --> 01:34:27 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's a bad situation that he's in, even if a hunter doesn't know the full picture.
01:34:28 --> 01:34:33 [UNKNOWN]: Because I think he left Pelagia before the chemins take over or occurred.
01:34:34 --> 01:34:36 [UNKNOWN]: So he doesn't really know how bad it is, but he is concerned.
01:34:37 --> 01:34:43 [UNKNOWN]: My delay, I think, is a show invention, like, couldn't find the name anywhere on the interwebs.
01:34:44 --> 01:34:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not unlike Miderdonia, I'm wondering, are they wanting us to confuse the two?
01:34:48 --> 01:34:48 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:34:49 --> 01:34:49 [UNKNOWN]: There were other
01:34:51 --> 01:34:56 [UNKNOWN]: visually coded female feminine elves amongst the the Guwaiti Miradine.
01:34:56 --> 01:34:58 [UNKNOWN]: So the drania is shortly wasn't the only one.
01:34:58 --> 01:35:16 [UNKNOWN]: So it's a possible, but I didn't know it just keeps seeming more and more questionable to me and I love that the delivery modern auxiliary she is in the orc stronghold
01:35:17 --> 01:35:42 [UNKNOWN]: Don't bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump
01:35:43 --> 01:35:43 [UNKNOWN]: lines.
01:35:44 --> 01:35:45 [UNKNOWN]: It's in the north, right?
01:35:45 --> 01:35:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's in the far north.
01:35:46 --> 01:35:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you picture the misty mountains going all the way up and then hanging a right looking at them.
01:35:53 --> 01:36:06 [UNKNOWN]: And we also they refer to it in the films that a lot of people don't want to think about the Hobbit films where two elves go on a reconnaissance mission
01:36:09 --> 01:36:11 [UNKNOWN]: And I believe the next episode is cold.
01:36:12 --> 01:36:12 [UNKNOWN]: Going to about three.
01:36:13 --> 01:36:16 [UNKNOWN]: So we are not far from getting there.
01:36:17 --> 01:36:20 [UNKNOWN]: And let, no, that's episode four, David, episode three.
01:36:20 --> 01:36:21 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry, am I off one?
01:36:21 --> 01:36:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm off one.
01:36:22 --> 01:36:25 [UNKNOWN]: Something about, I think it's about fire.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, you're right.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:26 [UNKNOWN]: The secret fire.
01:36:26 --> 01:36:27 [UNKNOWN]: Secret fire.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:28 [UNKNOWN]: I knew it was fire.
01:36:28 --> 01:36:29 [UNKNOWN]: Feels like we're going to go to Roon.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:31 [UNKNOWN]: David, you had a couple more notes here.
01:36:32 --> 01:36:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was wondering, why do Orcs always code for British Cockney accents?
01:36:38 --> 01:36:42 [UNKNOWN]: Well, hearts for Irish, you know, country, country folk.
01:36:44 --> 01:36:48 [UNKNOWN]: He was Jackson, Peter Jackson, coated them that way, and now that's the way it is.
01:36:48 --> 01:36:49 [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, that's what happened.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, pretty much.
01:36:51 --> 01:36:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think you're right.
01:36:52 --> 01:36:58 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's funny just the way that we apply certain linguistic labels and things.
01:36:59 --> 01:37:02 [UNKNOWN]: And what that means looks like meets back on the menu, boys.
01:37:03 --> 01:37:06 [UNKNOWN]: And why do all the stormtroopers have British accents,
01:37:07 --> 01:37:15 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, the best evil command rank officers in the Empire have to have a very strong British A accents that is true.
01:37:15 --> 01:37:19 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the British Empire, there's never been another empire.
01:37:19 --> 01:37:21 [UNKNOWN]: distinguishing features.
01:37:21 --> 01:37:29 [UNKNOWN]: Speaking of subtitle clues, Galadriel says something to Arondier in Cinderin.
01:37:30 --> 01:37:33 [UNKNOWN]: It says, he speaks Cinderin.
01:37:33 --> 01:37:36 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, it isn't that the forest elf language.
01:37:36 --> 01:37:38 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's very intense.
01:37:38 --> 01:37:39 [UNKNOWN]: No, well, yeah, kind of.
01:37:40 --> 01:37:47 [UNKNOWN]: Cinderin is is for the Cinder elves, which are the gray elves, which are the elves that formed around Thingol and Melion.
01:37:48 --> 01:38:03 [UNKNOWN]: As Thingol was a eloquent evening he saw, the light of the trees, he came back, he married one of the Myr, and in their realm because he was a light seeing elf, and she was
01:38:09 --> 01:38:19 [UNKNOWN]: So they are they are like somewhere between the elves that stayed in middle-earth Completely and the elves that went to go see the light of the trees.
01:38:19 --> 01:38:20 [UNKNOWN]: We need to resurrect your chart.
01:38:21 --> 01:38:22 [UNKNOWN]: It's in the show guide.
01:38:22 --> 01:38:23 [UNKNOWN]: Is it?
01:38:23 --> 01:38:24 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, that's right.
01:38:25 --> 01:38:27 [UNKNOWN]: So Sindarin was spoken by
01:38:28 --> 01:38:34 [UNKNOWN]: both the elves and Doriaf, and then after the laden was destroyed, they all kind of scattered in form, you can use.
01:38:35 --> 01:38:53 [UNKNOWN]: Send out an unspoken in Thingles, Kingdom, in the Greenwood, which eventually became birthwood, and that's my understanding, Rondier comes from the Greenwood, or else, proto-Lorean, whatever they're calling it, it's point.
01:38:53 --> 01:38:56 [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of possible answers to who could be in charge,
01:38:58 --> 01:39:01 [UNKNOWN]: She really wants it to be another lord.
01:39:01 --> 01:39:12 [UNKNOWN]: So point being that they, even to the level of the subtitles, are they paying attention to a little details like that.
01:39:12 --> 01:39:13 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, absolutely.
01:39:13 --> 01:39:13 [UNKNOWN]: Which is great.
01:39:13 --> 01:39:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's off guys.
01:39:15 --> 01:39:16 [UNKNOWN]: That's good job.
01:39:16 --> 01:39:21 [UNKNOWN]: To be clear, most of the elves are speaking cinder in by this point all the time.
01:39:21 --> 01:39:27 [UNKNOWN]: They use clenia more in the show than would be actually accurate in the in the
01:39:28 --> 01:39:43 [UNKNOWN]: After Thingol, here's the naughty things that the Noldore were doing upon coming to Middle Earth, he bans the use of Konya in the realm, and basically says if you use Konya, you're going to be banned from Doryat, nobody wants to be banned from Doryat, it's a nice place to hang out.
01:39:44 --> 01:39:45 [UNKNOWN]: You know, they have their summer homes there.
01:39:46 --> 01:39:52 [UNKNOWN]: So the Noldore only then use Konya for like record-keeping and secret no more meetings.
01:39:52 --> 01:39:55 [UNKNOWN]: And you know, open speech, they're speaking center in generally.
01:39:56 --> 01:39:58 [UNKNOWN]: More or less, I think they use it to each other.
01:39:58 --> 01:40:07 [UNKNOWN]: But when they're communicating across subdivisions, if you will, then they would send out an end and it's definitely more common.
01:40:07 --> 01:40:11 [UNKNOWN]: Equania had become a tongue of lore.
01:40:11 --> 01:40:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's like Latin, right?
01:40:13 --> 01:40:14 [UNKNOWN]: It became like the use of Latin.
01:40:14 --> 01:40:16 [UNKNOWN]: Elvis Latin, Elvis Latin, yeah.
01:40:17 --> 01:40:23 [UNKNOWN]: Last note is, we've watched Galadriel's hair and costume here.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:25 [UNKNOWN]: There are so much fun with that.
01:40:25 --> 01:40:26 [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
01:40:26 --> 01:40:27 [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:27 [UNKNOWN]: I love that.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:31 [UNKNOWN]: And then it turns out to be the undershirt for her armor later.
01:40:31 --> 01:40:33 [UNKNOWN]: That sort of black was starry thing on their shoulders.
01:40:34 --> 01:40:35 [UNKNOWN]: But her the braids in her hair.
01:40:35 --> 01:40:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was like, oh, new hairstyle.
01:40:37 --> 01:40:37 [UNKNOWN]: Very cool.
01:40:37 --> 01:40:38 [UNKNOWN]: I really enjoyed it.
01:40:40 --> 01:40:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's talk about some mothers and fathers.
01:40:43 --> 01:40:47 [UNKNOWN]: Fathers, be good to your daughter.
01:40:47 --> 01:40:47 [UNKNOWN]: Is it right?
01:40:48 --> 01:40:49 [UNKNOWN]: We get, we get job here.
01:40:49 --> 01:40:51 [UNKNOWN]: Um, set, uh, what's his name?
01:40:51 --> 01:40:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's Jonathan Mayer.
01:40:53 --> 01:40:55 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, it's a different person than I was thinking.
01:40:55 --> 01:40:58 [UNKNOWN]: But nonetheless, that's my job Mayer impression for the night.
01:40:58 --> 01:40:58 [UNKNOWN]: Very good.
01:41:00 --> 01:41:02 [UNKNOWN]: And Sauron the Necromancer is back in style.
01:41:03 --> 01:41:07 [UNKNOWN]: He pulls a tongue from the orc to help the dead speak, which Theo cuts out.
01:41:07 --> 01:41:12 [UNKNOWN]: Sauron tells Theo his father's name was Faldred, son of Hammer Threg.
01:41:14 --> 01:41:19 [UNKNOWN]: Theo asks his father who he is, and he answers, Gorthmoond.
01:41:20 --> 01:41:31 [UNKNOWN]: which Sarah on says was a noble house of the sworn stewards of Mordor, I'm sorry, I'm always a gondor with stewards, the sworn stewards of Mordor, blessed with certain powers.
01:41:31 --> 01:41:36 [UNKNOWN]: When Bronwyn found out that Theo's father, what Theo's father was, she murdered him.
01:41:37 --> 01:41:44 [UNKNOWN]: Sarah on plays on Theo's hatred of his oppressors and offers him power to be a conqueror, sorcerer and king.
01:41:47 --> 01:41:49 [UNKNOWN]: loved this scene, I thought.
01:41:50 --> 01:42:02 [UNKNOWN]: Vickers is like, there was a point that it was almost sympathy, not just empathy, like there was a look on his face when he was hearing the thought, the story of his father and his family and stuff, I was like, wow.
01:42:04 --> 01:42:04 [UNKNOWN]: This was just really cool.
01:42:04 --> 01:42:14 [UNKNOWN]: And I loved seeing actual magic, like an actual magical ritual happening, like not just like, oh, wave hand magic, but like an incantation.
01:42:14 --> 01:42:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know, John, we just covered the exercises for a spooked over.
01:42:19 --> 01:42:25 [UNKNOWN]: And that little vile of water he had made me think of a holy water vile that the priest and the exercises had.
01:42:25 --> 01:42:27 [UNKNOWN]: I had another exercise thought later in this.
01:42:28 --> 01:42:29 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll say.
01:42:30 --> 01:42:36 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I just, this whole, I, I was just so chuffed by this whole sequence of scenes between these two, it was so good.
01:42:36 --> 01:42:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:37 --> 01:42:38 [UNKNOWN]: It really is excellent.
01:42:38 --> 01:42:42 [UNKNOWN]: Mind you, I didn't look at a lot of them because I don't really care to watch people having their tongues cut out.
01:42:42 --> 01:42:43 [UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
01:42:43 --> 01:42:44 [UNKNOWN]: This is the kind of problem.
01:42:45 --> 01:42:45 [UNKNOWN]: Moving on.
01:42:45 --> 01:42:50 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it was a very nice touch to bring in the necromancy of Sauron.
01:42:50 --> 01:42:54 [UNKNOWN]: As we've already mentioned, he will be known as the necromancer in Hobbit.
01:42:55 --> 01:42:58 [UNKNOWN]: And we talked before about what necromancy means.
01:43:01 --> 01:43:06 [UNKNOWN]: I, I think this whole house, the stewards of Moththor is us.
01:43:07 --> 01:43:07 [UNKNOWN]: But you think so?
01:43:08 --> 01:43:15 [UNKNOWN]: Well, even so, I'm setting aside the name Moththor, which is, again, the Elvish name, you know, Darkland.
01:43:17 --> 01:43:22 [UNKNOWN]: But they have to do that because that's what people think about the most.
01:43:22 --> 01:43:25 [UNKNOWN]: The closest I came was the mouth of Sauron.
01:43:27 --> 01:43:27 [UNKNOWN]: But.
01:43:28 --> 01:43:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, okay, time compression, but even so, Theo's not going to live that long.
01:43:36 --> 01:43:48 [UNKNOWN]: Even if he gets a ring then he won't be able to do any of the things that the mouth of Sauron does anyway, so it's, but I'm wondering if they were kind of harking back to that and hoping people might think, oh, well, maybe that's what it is.
01:43:49 --> 01:44:10 [UNKNOWN]: And I really find a helly doubtful that they as mother murdered his father because That would be a very difficult thing for a healer to do anyway That is an extreme action that is an extreme action murder killers need to be ruthless on occasion sure But It's not entirely out of her character.
01:44:10 --> 01:44:11 [UNKNOWN]: It's just again.
01:44:11 --> 01:44:12 [UNKNOWN]: It's highly unlikely
01:44:14 --> 01:44:18 [UNKNOWN]: I could see if she was very, very, you know, defensive of Theo.
01:44:18 --> 01:44:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:44:19 --> 01:44:25 [UNKNOWN]: She thought that this was like, they're going to, this man's going to raise my son to be an awful, awful person.
01:44:26 --> 01:44:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think I could see her doing it.
01:44:28 --> 01:44:33 [UNKNOWN]: I think she's more likely to scoop him up and go as far away as she can, which could be exactly what she did.
01:44:34 --> 01:44:37 [UNKNOWN]: But good she, because she was beat, they were being watched by the elf.
01:44:38 --> 01:44:39 [UNKNOWN]: They were being held captive almost, right?
01:44:39 --> 01:44:44 [UNKNOWN]: But how old is Theo when that happens, so...
01:44:44 --> 01:44:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's been going on for hundreds of years.
01:44:46 --> 01:44:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, but I meant like, Theo's age relative to when she might have either murdered or escaped Theo's father.
01:44:53 --> 01:45:02 [UNKNOWN]: Which is another reason why his father really couldn't be a steward of Mothor because Mothor hadn't even been named at that point.
01:45:02 --> 01:45:09 [UNKNOWN]: Granted, it was Sauron's plot to make the volcano erupt and to make the land a desolate place.
01:45:09 --> 01:45:11 [UNKNOWN]: I think you guys have convinced me.
01:45:11 --> 01:45:13 [UNKNOWN]: But it...
01:45:13 --> 01:45:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's not adding up, right?
01:45:14 --> 01:45:15 [UNKNOWN]: The pieces don't fit.
01:45:16 --> 01:45:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
01:45:16 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: That makes sense.
01:45:18 --> 01:45:23 [UNKNOWN]: And we still don't know if he actually takes a ring, we don't see it again just like we didn't see him.
01:45:23 --> 01:45:28 [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's too seen two episodes with Cliff hangers with DO.
01:45:28 --> 01:45:29 [UNKNOWN]: For Theo, yeah.
01:45:30 --> 01:45:31 [UNKNOWN]: Beautiful ring design.
01:45:31 --> 01:45:31 [UNKNOWN]: Really?
01:45:31 --> 01:45:35 [UNKNOWN]: Again, we don't get to see these in the Lord of the Rings because they are not there anymore.
01:45:35 --> 01:45:36 [UNKNOWN]: Gone.
01:45:36 --> 01:45:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:37 --> 01:45:39 [UNKNOWN]: See, this is the kind of design I was picturing for the elves.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:42 --> 01:45:48 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas, I never really thought that much about the human rings because they weren't in play anyway.
01:45:48 --> 01:45:49 [UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know.
01:45:49 --> 01:45:49 [UNKNOWN]: Took them all back.
01:45:49 --> 01:45:50 [UNKNOWN]: So, what is it?
01:45:52 --> 01:45:55 [UNKNOWN]: I noticed that all three of us have the same quote in our notes.
01:45:56 --> 01:45:56 [UNKNOWN]: I noticed that too.
01:45:57 --> 01:46:03 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, how many people do you think are going to call up Voldemort and Harry Potter in the first book, you know?
01:46:04 --> 01:46:10 [UNKNOWN]: There is no such thing as good an evil, there is only power and those who are too weak to use it.
01:46:11 --> 01:46:14 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, here we have evil, the wise know there is no such thing.
01:46:15 --> 01:46:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah!
01:46:15 --> 01:46:19 [UNKNOWN]: Only power, power to be, power to control or be controlled by another.
01:46:19 --> 01:46:22 [UNKNOWN]: And that to me is a great distillation of siren.
01:46:23 --> 01:46:31 [UNKNOWN]: Sure, he, I, I do, we talked about this last episode, but like, he thinks like, hey,
01:46:32 --> 01:46:35 [UNKNOWN]: I just need the power, and once I have the power, everything will be good.
01:46:35 --> 01:46:40 [UNKNOWN]: He sees power as a, as an end, not just the means.
01:46:40 --> 01:46:49 [UNKNOWN]: Of course, of course, and it goes along with a gospel according to Sauron, which has a separate section on finding your opponent's greatest fear of teaching them how to master it.
01:46:50 --> 01:46:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:46:51 --> 01:46:59 [UNKNOWN]: After having first worm doorway in through it, and sometimes it may not be your greatest fear, but your greatest pain.
01:47:00 --> 01:47:06 [UNKNOWN]: You know, Galathe Gilleslawiness feels longing to know who his parents are, or his father is.
01:47:07 --> 01:47:09 [UNKNOWN]: Even more evidence now that
01:47:13 --> 01:47:20 [UNKNOWN]: Theo's got this longing to really know who his father is, and Sauron's like, ah, thank you very much.
01:47:20 --> 01:47:24 [UNKNOWN]: Let me just write a few pages in my book here, and now you're mine.
01:47:25 --> 01:47:28 [UNKNOWN]: Because that's the kind of thing Sauron would do.
01:47:28 --> 01:47:30 [UNKNOWN]: He's seen too many episodes of the Long Island medium.
01:47:30 --> 01:47:39 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I
01:47:40 --> 01:47:45 [UNKNOWN]: So, one more scene we have here is set of scenes, the fall of A.R.N.
01:47:46 --> 01:47:47 [UNKNOWN]: Lack in Numenor.
01:47:47 --> 01:47:50 [UNKNOWN]: Kevin Braggs about having refused a ring from Sauron.
01:47:50 --> 01:47:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't believe him.
01:47:51 --> 01:47:51 [UNKNOWN]: I just want to be clear.
01:47:52 --> 01:47:53 [UNKNOWN]: He reports.
01:47:53 --> 01:47:53 [UNKNOWN]: Oh!
01:47:55 --> 01:47:55 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh!
01:47:56 --> 01:47:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry to interrupt this, John, but I just realized.
01:47:59 --> 01:48:01 [UNKNOWN]: There were three rings missing.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:08 [UNKNOWN]: The first time we saw the basket of rings, that Sauron was offering them, and everybody would say, well, what happened to their three?
01:48:09 --> 01:48:11 [UNKNOWN]: We know the low sought got one, and the half out of three, the second, oh, God, I do you think?
01:48:11 --> 01:48:32 [UNKNOWN]: Do you really think Kevin would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do you think he would have the character do
01:48:32 --> 01:48:34 [UNKNOWN]: Don't we already have?
01:48:34 --> 01:48:37 [UNKNOWN]: Don't we have our three bearers accounted for?
01:48:37 --> 01:48:41 [UNKNOWN]: The one from Rune and then the two that showed up in Durin's Hall.
01:48:42 --> 01:48:48 [UNKNOWN]: But that, no, the one from Rune was given out after those three original showed missing from the box.
01:48:48 --> 01:48:51 [UNKNOWN]: First time he opens the box, there are six rings there.
01:48:52 --> 01:48:52 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:48:53 --> 01:48:59 [UNKNOWN]: And we suspect that they learned about the Losoth King and the Hutterothrim King.
01:48:59 --> 01:49:02 [UNKNOWN]: Because we've seen three ring bearers in total, right?
01:49:03 --> 01:49:03 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, four.
01:49:04 --> 01:49:11 [UNKNOWN]: Because the one that fights a Galadriel, the two that show up in Durin's Hall, and the Roon one, the guy from Roon.
01:49:11 --> 01:49:15 [UNKNOWN]: But the one that fought Galadriel was the same was one of the two that was in the hall.
01:49:16 --> 01:49:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that was the loss off King.
01:49:18 --> 01:49:21 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, Ringer, the Ringer has a wig watch.
01:49:21 --> 01:49:24 [UNKNOWN]: We've got a rafelotch here, so rafelotch.
01:49:24 --> 01:49:25 [UNKNOWN]: Ringer watch.
01:49:26 --> 01:49:27 [UNKNOWN]: But that could be it.
01:49:27 --> 01:49:28 [UNKNOWN]: Remember things anyway.
01:49:29 --> 01:49:34 [UNKNOWN]: So, um, back in Newmanor, Kevin Bragg's about having refusoring from Saran.
01:49:34 --> 01:49:41 [UNKNOWN]: He reports that their bases in Polargeur and Umbar are well-stocked for a long campaign and asks when they set sail.
01:49:41 --> 01:49:44 [UNKNOWN]: Ferris and I'm going to sign you a different problem.
01:49:44 --> 01:49:49 [UNKNOWN]: In the West, any promises to name him Aaron Open Court if he succeeds.
01:49:50 --> 01:49:57 [UNKNOWN]: Bell's a Gar, stakes a woman out of his room, and A-R-N sneaks in to get the key to the
01:50:00 --> 01:50:05 [UNKNOWN]: When Belzagar spills him in his clothes, he returns to his room early in Aryan Hides.
01:50:05 --> 01:50:09 [UNKNOWN]: She takes the key and heads to the white tree, I'm sorry, the tree.
01:50:10 --> 01:50:13 [UNKNOWN]: But Belzagar sees her leave his chambers.
01:50:13 --> 01:50:18 [UNKNOWN]: At the tree, she lends the key to a seal door to send the message.
01:50:19 --> 01:50:25 [UNKNOWN]: In the west, another Palantir awakens, and Elendial accepts the message in the Palantir
01:50:30 --> 01:50:35 [UNKNOWN]: Arian is called to address a faithful spy when the door is closed behind her.
01:50:35 --> 01:50:36 [UNKNOWN]: It is she who is targeted.
01:50:37 --> 01:50:41 [UNKNOWN]: It turns out that her hand-made had reported suspicious activity months ago.
01:50:42 --> 01:50:49 [UNKNOWN]: Farazone reveals that a sealed or acted exactly as they wanted him to, and she helped set the trap for a lendial.
01:50:50 --> 01:50:54 [UNKNOWN]: He promises to make her the most devoted king's man of all willingly or not.
01:50:55 --> 01:50:59 [UNKNOWN]: Arian says perhaps it is a gift as she won't be able to help him.
01:51:00 --> 01:51:03 [UNKNOWN]: She throws herself out the window and claims the gift of men.
01:51:03 --> 01:51:05 [UNKNOWN]: As sealed or seized her body in the street.
01:51:09 --> 01:51:09 [UNKNOWN]: such a scene.
01:51:10 --> 01:51:20 [UNKNOWN]: And even the fact that the three dudes are just standing there wondering why she's walking out towards the window on the balcony.
01:51:20 --> 01:51:21 [UNKNOWN]: I did think that was very silly.
01:51:21 --> 01:51:22 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we had very silly.
01:51:23 --> 01:51:25 [UNKNOWN]: The way we dropped it, and she was going to, I mean, my God.
01:51:26 --> 01:51:33 [UNKNOWN]: The way I interpreted it is they were so certain in their own pardoned me guys, male superiority that had trapped this woman.
01:51:33 --> 01:51:34 [UNKNOWN]: They were certain.
01:51:35 --> 01:51:36 [UNKNOWN]: What was she going to do?
01:51:36 --> 01:51:39 [UNKNOWN]: Take a last breath of air before she toured and started spilling?
01:51:39 --> 01:51:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:51:41 --> 01:51:43 [UNKNOWN]: There's also the idea that's to make it her.
01:51:43 --> 01:51:44 [UNKNOWN]: Totally.
01:51:44 --> 01:51:48 [UNKNOWN]: To all those men in that room, their existence is the most important thing of all.
01:51:48 --> 01:51:51 [UNKNOWN]: And none of them could imagine the thought they'd rather on life.
01:51:51 --> 01:51:52 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:51:52 --> 01:51:52 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly, John.
01:51:52 --> 01:51:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:51:53 --> 01:51:58 [UNKNOWN]: They can't imagine the world without their egos in the world, existing, persisting in the world.
01:51:59 --> 01:51:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:00 --> 01:52:02 [UNKNOWN]: Which is what's so incredible about
01:52:05 --> 01:52:29 [UNKNOWN]: move here, which this identity fusion thing when the cause becomes the self, but it's also with her mixed in with, is it all the moral injury that she's accumulated, living the life of a double agent, so not only is she allowed, not only does she see the path of like, I have to, you know,
01:52:31 --> 01:52:37 [UNKNOWN]: for the sake of what we are doing, I gotta get out of this, and this is the only way I can get out of this.
01:52:38 --> 01:52:40 [UNKNOWN]: And I think the reason why we had that scene with Halif.
01:52:40 --> 01:52:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there wasn't a whole lot, there wasn't a whole lot of it to move a plot along, particularly, but she had seen a close and personal, what she was about to be subjected to.
01:52:52 --> 01:52:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:52:53 --> 01:52:55 [UNKNOWN]: And I think she knew she couldn't do it.
01:52:56 --> 01:52:56 [UNKNOWN]: Right, yeah.
01:53:01 --> 01:53:05 [UNKNOWN]: So, and I think she saw that you can accept it as a gift, right?
01:53:05 --> 01:53:12 [UNKNOWN]: And when it's a silver re-contextualizer for her, I think that she can see that it is a release if you're in that kind of situation.
01:53:15 --> 01:53:23 [UNKNOWN]: So there's three kinds of sacrifice in this situation, accepting the risk of death while trying to accomplish something.
01:53:23 --> 01:53:29 [UNKNOWN]: So a sealed or didn't die, but he was accepting the risk of like, hey, I could get shot or what have you.
01:53:30 --> 01:53:33 [UNKNOWN]: Accepting death rather than complying with a demand.
01:53:33 --> 01:53:35 [UNKNOWN]: So that's Hallith, right?
01:53:35 --> 01:53:37 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, okay, you know, like, you know, take me out.
01:53:37 --> 01:53:43 [UNKNOWN]: We're intentionally causing one's own death in the belief that it will protect others or advance a cause.
01:53:44 --> 01:53:45 [UNKNOWN]: And that's E.R.N.
01:53:45 --> 01:53:51 [UNKNOWN]: And another belief I think she had was, I cannot resist.
01:53:51 --> 01:53:54 [UNKNOWN]: 100% all of this, yeah, stand on top of it.
01:53:54 --> 01:53:57 [UNKNOWN]: Unless I take myself out now.
01:53:57 --> 01:53:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:53:58 --> 01:54:01 [UNKNOWN]: My last act will be to put hundreds of other people at risk.
01:54:03 --> 01:54:06 [UNKNOWN]: the indirect cause of a too many deaths to begin with.
01:54:06 --> 01:54:13 [UNKNOWN]: So this is where I will end it and I do have the teaching that this is a gift.
01:54:13 --> 01:54:13 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:54:14 --> 01:54:17 [UNKNOWN]: And she finally has seen a situation in which it is a gift.
01:54:17 --> 01:54:22 [UNKNOWN]: It's a real gift if you've been that badly tortured to be granted death.
01:54:24 --> 01:54:30 [UNKNOWN]: I am coming around to the scene the more we talk about it because I do really like what it does with playing around with the
01:54:33 --> 01:54:41 [UNKNOWN]: I, the thing I really didn't like, and I already said this, but like, I just don't like adding a female character, just to have them die to inspire the male.
01:54:41 --> 01:54:43 [UNKNOWN]: Do you not disagree with that general take?
01:54:43 --> 01:54:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's totally fine.
01:54:45 --> 01:54:47 [UNKNOWN]: It does feel kind of achy to me.
01:54:47 --> 01:54:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:54:48 --> 01:54:49 [UNKNOWN]: On face value.
01:54:49 --> 01:54:56 [UNKNOWN]: At the same time, it is giving that female character, choice, power, and agency.
01:54:57 --> 01:54:58 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:54:58 --> 01:55:01 [UNKNOWN]: But it's the choice to empower the men in her life, right?
01:55:01 --> 01:55:03 [UNKNOWN]: Like that's what she does with me.
01:55:03 --> 01:55:03 [UNKNOWN]: But she has a queen.
01:55:04 --> 01:55:04 [UNKNOWN]: She does have a queen.
01:55:04 --> 01:55:05 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
01:55:05 --> 01:55:06 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
01:55:07 --> 01:55:15 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think I don't know up until this point how much she was doing for her family and how much she was doing out of her own personal belief.
01:55:15 --> 01:55:17 [UNKNOWN]: And in the end, it doesn't really matter.
01:55:18 --> 01:55:22 [UNKNOWN]: She rightly or wrongly took upon herself guilt of an awful amount of deaths.
01:55:23 --> 01:55:25 [UNKNOWN]: Because she set the ball rolling literally.
01:55:27 --> 01:55:28 [UNKNOWN]: the bowling balls of the Palantir.
01:55:29 --> 01:55:29 [UNKNOWN]: Well, Palantir.
01:55:30 --> 01:55:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:31 --> 01:55:38 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I took this shot because I was looking at the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the pictures.
01:55:38 --> 01:55:42 [UNKNOWN]: And I was like, oh, there's really cool swirl, but when you take a still of it, it just looks like a bowling ball.
01:55:43 --> 01:55:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's kind of hard to depict a ball of glass in any other way.
01:55:48 --> 01:55:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right, yeah.
01:55:49 --> 01:55:50 [UNKNOWN]: The visuals are awesome though.
01:55:50 --> 01:55:56 [UNKNOWN]: The way the reality fractures like that, I do love the CGI effects that they've created for it.
01:55:56 --> 01:55:58 [UNKNOWN]: It is an interesting way of depicting it.
01:55:58 --> 01:56:03 [UNKNOWN]: I'm finally glad that they're using the Palantir as a means of communication.
01:56:04 --> 01:56:05 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, so you do like the men of hers.
01:56:06 --> 01:56:11 [UNKNOWN]: Rather than divination, which is how it been used in the previous two seasons.
01:56:12 --> 01:56:13 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right, right.
01:56:14 --> 01:56:25 [UNKNOWN]: It was just like your standard crystal ball, you know, giving of a foretaste, you know, conveying a warning, all those kinds of things, they were intended to communicate between large distances.
01:56:27 --> 01:56:30 [UNKNOWN]: And so seeing this, I love the way they conceived of it.
01:56:32 --> 01:56:43 [UNKNOWN]: And my guess is that Elendo was standing in the grove with the trees because there's a little shelter built over it and there's the Palantira on the stand.
01:56:44 --> 01:56:48 [UNKNOWN]: Of course, we don't know how they got the Palantira, but they're being very sketchy with that.
01:56:48 --> 01:56:50 [UNKNOWN]: And to be honest, Tolkien was pretty sketchy with it too.
01:56:51 --> 01:56:55 [UNKNOWN]: All we know is eventually, well, I guess that's too much more like for John, so I won't say it.
01:56:58 --> 01:57:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's not for me, I'm trying to protect the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:57:03 --> 01:57:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm here for the Man on Oak Readers.
01:57:05 --> 01:57:07 [UNKNOWN]: You've reached the man in the white flame?
01:57:07 --> 01:57:08 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not home right now.
01:57:08 --> 01:57:09 [UNKNOWN]: Hey.
01:57:10 --> 01:57:12 [UNKNOWN]: Leave a message and I'll call you back.
01:57:12 --> 01:57:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's nothing like that.
01:57:15 --> 01:57:16 [UNKNOWN]: But it's there, like you know.
01:57:17 --> 01:57:25 [UNKNOWN]: I have to say, I'm really sorry that we did not get the scene of Elendil being reunited with Isil Thor.
01:57:26 --> 01:57:27 [UNKNOWN]: Who he thought was dead.
01:57:28 --> 01:57:39 [UNKNOWN]: And to have this reflection now of, okay, I thought you're dead and now I'm going to check you back out or allow yourself to chuck yourself back into this really dangerous circumstance.
01:57:40 --> 01:57:41 [UNKNOWN]: when I already thought you were dead.
01:57:41 --> 01:57:50 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's a lot of emotional stuff going on in here and interpersonal things that maybe, again, flashbacks will bring us some of that.
01:57:51 --> 01:57:56 [UNKNOWN]: If they don't, I'm just, I'm really sorry, because given the actors that we have, they could have been very powerful with it.
01:57:57 --> 01:58:05 [UNKNOWN]: And speaking of actors that they have, again, Emma Hovar, how did she keep her face so entirely still?
01:58:06 --> 01:58:09 [UNKNOWN]: All the emotion was conveyed through expression.
01:58:10 --> 01:58:17 [UNKNOWN]: of her eyes, not her physical, you know, she'd had a lot of practice by then keeping that stone face.
01:58:18 --> 01:58:24 [UNKNOWN]: And that's partly, I think, you know, sort of an upper crust, well, we don't just play a motion, yeah, that's not kind.
01:58:25 --> 01:58:26 [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's not appropriate.
01:58:27 --> 01:58:34 [UNKNOWN]: But my gosh, you can tell what she's going through, of course we know what she's going through anyway, so we can project some of ourselves onto that.
01:58:35 --> 01:58:36 [UNKNOWN]: And she's so beautiful.
01:58:37 --> 01:58:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:37 --> 01:58:43 [UNKNOWN]: She is so beautiful and incredibly beautiful if you doled up you want to talk about wig watch.
01:58:45 --> 01:59:02 [UNKNOWN]: The pair that she was wearing extraordinary and very very reminiscent of Roman culture, Byzantine culture, all of that sort of Mediterranean, Eastern Mediterranean, which is the one culture that they are wanting to manifest through new and new order.
01:59:04 --> 01:59:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I found it a profound scene.
01:59:09 --> 01:59:23 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess another element to her taking this decision as well is that they had laid a trap and that they have played into the trap.
01:59:25 --> 01:59:30 [UNKNOWN]: And like, oh crap, I've set up my brother in my father now and that's like a really bad state of affairs.
01:59:31 --> 01:59:32 [UNKNOWN]: I gotta stop making his worse.
01:59:34 --> 01:59:41 [UNKNOWN]: to quote another notable Duclito Trades, knowing where the trap is, that is the first step in evading it.
01:59:42 --> 01:59:46 [UNKNOWN]: Didn't work very well for Duclito in Dune.
01:59:46 --> 01:59:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well.
01:59:48 --> 01:59:54 [UNKNOWN]: But, you know, the fact that she's not able to warn them, though, that there's a trap because she took herself out.
01:59:54 --> 01:59:57 [UNKNOWN]: But, you know, maybe though, because he did see her,
02:00:03 --> 02:00:05 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe he'll be now a more on guard.
02:00:05 --> 02:00:09 [UNKNOWN]: They'll be like, oh shit, we got to be careful now and like you got to, you know, so maybe that's enough of a warning for him.
02:00:10 --> 02:00:12 [UNKNOWN]: Well, but they already knew that the West was the next target.
02:00:15 --> 02:00:19 [UNKNOWN]: But that was the trap within the trap, right?
02:00:20 --> 02:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: They're playing pharaoh's game, not their own game, in this situation.
02:00:27 --> 02:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: I think it likely that it's something like we just talked about in our recorded
02:00:33 --> 02:00:46 [UNKNOWN]: Um, whereas they know generally where they are in the West, right, but they don't know exactly where they are, and one of the best ways to make yourself more vehicle, more visible is to flee in large numbers.
02:00:46 --> 02:00:47 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's interesting.
02:00:48 --> 02:00:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:00:48 --> 02:00:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you got to find, you know, the way Sarah, sorry, the way Morkoth was looking for Gondolin, here you have the pharaoh's own looking for the base of the of the havens.
02:01:00 --> 02:01:06 [UNKNOWN]: And what's again, how many classes in strategy have these two siblings ever had?
02:01:06 --> 02:01:14 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they probably don't even know how to play, you know, three-dimensional chess, never mind, five-dimensional chess, or whatever dimension it is.
02:01:14 --> 02:01:15 [UNKNOWN]: We're in, you know, three-dimensions.
02:01:16 --> 02:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, sorry, I got started on the whole dimensional thing, um, they're there way out of their death.
02:01:23 --> 02:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:24 --> 02:01:25 [UNKNOWN]: in this whole thing.
02:01:26 --> 02:01:32 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Ayada and thought maybe she did have an understanding because she was playing along with them first.
02:01:33 --> 02:01:37 [UNKNOWN]: And committed, not just playing, but committed to what she was saying.
02:01:38 --> 02:01:41 [UNKNOWN]: And then eventually realized, oh boy, I made a bad choice.
02:01:43 --> 02:01:49 [UNKNOWN]: But even before she started showing signs that particularly, Fatazon was watching her.
02:01:49 --> 02:01:50 [UNKNOWN]: They were already there.
02:01:50 --> 02:01:57 [UNKNOWN]: And the last season, he saw her leave after ringing the bells to some of the faithful before Numinor's version of Christon last.
02:01:58 --> 02:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: To go and warn her father.
02:02:00 --> 02:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:02:01 --> 02:02:02 [UNKNOWN]: They were already on to her.
02:02:02 --> 02:02:07 [UNKNOWN]: We're presented as the, you know, she just wants her remaining family member as she thinks to be safe.
02:02:09 --> 02:02:12 [UNKNOWN]: But that was the beginning of the end and in Fadazon's eyes.
02:02:13 --> 02:02:14 [UNKNOWN]: This is her trustworthiness.
02:02:15 --> 02:02:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:02:16 --> 02:02:21 [UNKNOWN]: I'm reminded of Vonnegut's mother-night with, uh, we are who we pretend to be.
02:02:21 --> 02:02:23 [UNKNOWN]: So we must be careful who we pretend to be.
02:02:23 --> 02:02:24 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I love that.
02:02:25 --> 02:02:26 [UNKNOWN]: And, uh, that whole...
02:02:27 --> 02:02:50 [UNKNOWN]: book is about a man who was an American born German who is recruited by the U.S. government to infiltrate the Nazis and become their, you know, media guy so that he could broadcast coded secret messages.
02:02:51 --> 02:03:00 [UNKNOWN]: to the end and also give them some intel too, and at the end of the war, this is kind of laid out.
02:03:00 --> 02:03:04 [UNKNOWN]: I've got to get like to spoil his own books in the beginning, so I'm not worried about clothes on this.
02:03:04 --> 02:03:05 [UNKNOWN]: And like Tolkien.
02:03:05 --> 02:03:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, but you know, at the end of the war, the US is like, yeah, I mean, thanks for your service, but like you were a very famous Nazi, we can't help you now.
02:03:15 --> 02:03:17 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to give you a quiet apartment.
02:03:18 --> 02:03:25 [UNKNOWN]: And you can hide and we'll give you like enough of a of a pension to survive, but it's not going to, you're not going to be a hero here.
02:03:26 --> 02:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: It sure gives me afghanistan vibes.
02:03:31 --> 02:03:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a lot of that going on now, huh?
02:03:33 --> 02:03:35 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm, yeah.
02:03:36 --> 02:03:38 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the final scene was so extraordinary.
02:03:39 --> 02:03:43 [UNKNOWN]: I was so lost and I wasn't even registering how extraordinary it was.
02:03:44 --> 02:04:00 [UNKNOWN]: And I had read, we got a list of the Do Nots Boyle plot points for the first episodes, and I did know that a character would die in this episode, and I kind of figured this is who it would be, but what courage?
02:04:02 --> 02:04:06 [UNKNOWN]: And also, I mean, is the older showing that much courage in that which control?
02:04:07 --> 02:04:08 [UNKNOWN]: Not easy to do.
02:04:09 --> 02:04:22 [UNKNOWN]: I thought my gosh, you know, between the pharaoh's own digging arrow heads out of his arms and Yarrion here on the pavement was like, boy, this was this episode is really spaken the pukula scale for For violence on screen.
02:04:22 --> 02:04:27 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, yeah, oh my god, it's how and the twining chamber you left out the torture chamber here.
02:04:28 --> 02:04:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was looking at it all
02:04:30 --> 02:04:35 [UNKNOWN]: But as we're painting back, I was like, I don't know how Marilyn is doing on this episode because it was affecting me.
02:04:36 --> 02:04:39 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I try to watch on the afternoon so I'm not carrying any thing to bed with me.
02:04:39 --> 02:04:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a great deal.
02:04:40 --> 02:04:41 [UNKNOWN]: You have time to dispel me.
02:04:41 --> 02:04:44 [UNKNOWN]: So images, they all can kind of settle in bed.
02:04:44 --> 02:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: No, I was looking away from the screen a lot in this episode.
02:04:48 --> 02:04:54 [UNKNOWN]: But wow, powerful way, the way that they held the camera on her face and pulled back.
02:04:54 --> 02:04:58 [UNKNOWN]: And then just into the beauty of the city and then across the ocean, it was just incredible.
02:04:59 --> 02:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: Well, perhaps the image of what she sacrificed herself for, hoping that it would return to that amount level of beauty.
02:05:09 --> 02:05:18 [UNKNOWN]: I am still hoping that they will show Izzyldo doing the very famous brave action that he takes before the end.
02:05:19 --> 02:05:24 [UNKNOWN]: I also wish that we knew the quenya text to the lament that the choir was singing at the end.
02:05:29 --> 02:05:40 [UNKNOWN]: He really, really expanded and deepened the music for Numinaut and for the faithful, which richer with rich orchestrations underlying this deepening tragedy.
02:05:41 --> 02:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, emotionally, emotionally, it was really, really heavy.
02:05:49 --> 02:05:59 [UNKNOWN]: This season is really, you know, we've got a bunch more to go, but boy, these two episodes, I am very happy with the direction that they've taken so far.
02:05:59 --> 02:06:00 [UNKNOWN]: There I am too.
02:06:00 --> 02:06:01 [UNKNOWN]: I am too.
02:06:02 --> 02:06:11 [UNKNOWN]: I get a little frustrated when I try to look at it, see how other people reacting and it's all, niggle, niggle, nag, nag, snarks, dark, and I'm like, all right, fine.
02:06:11 --> 02:06:11 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:06:11 --> 02:06:13 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll be, we'll we're over here in the west.
02:06:15 --> 02:06:17 [UNKNOWN]: You know, our Bay of Elros, having a good time.
02:06:18 --> 02:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: Very modest when you should know.
02:06:19 --> 02:06:21 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the South David.
02:06:21 --> 02:06:22 [UNKNOWN]: We aren't in the rest yet.
02:06:24 --> 02:06:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, the Bay of Elros and the South and they're going to go right.
02:06:26 --> 02:06:27 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:06:27 --> 02:06:32 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I have my small quibbles.
02:06:32 --> 02:06:32 [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
02:06:32 --> 02:06:33 [UNKNOWN]: That's what you do.
02:06:33 --> 02:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: And that's what I brought you to me.
02:06:35 --> 02:06:43 [UNKNOWN]: That said, I think they are overall doing an excellent job capturing the essence here and telling us a compelling story.
02:06:44 --> 02:06:46 [UNKNOWN]: It feels much more confident than the last two seasons.
02:06:46 --> 02:06:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:06:48 --> 02:06:49 [UNKNOWN]: It does, doesn't it, David?
02:06:49 --> 02:06:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
02:06:49 --> 02:06:50 [UNKNOWN]: Well, now everybody wears shoes.
02:06:50 --> 02:06:51 [UNKNOWN]: We don't have the hoods anymore.
02:06:51 --> 02:06:53 [UNKNOWN]: So it's not your usual hood.
02:06:53 --> 02:06:54 [UNKNOWN]: Easier to be sure, footage.
02:06:55 --> 02:06:56 [UNKNOWN]: That hurts my heart, Joan.
02:06:57 --> 02:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: It's my heart, so big.
02:06:58 --> 02:06:59 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't want to hear it.
02:07:00 --> 02:07:00 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to hear it.
02:07:01 --> 02:07:06 [UNKNOWN]: I think we will see at least references to the hardwoods in the middle of the road.
02:07:07 --> 02:07:08 [UNKNOWN]: I thought I thought we will be back.
02:07:08 --> 02:07:09 [UNKNOWN]: I've got to settle the shire.
02:07:10 --> 02:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: They're not going to a long time ago.
02:07:12 --> 02:07:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're not going to appear all season, right?
02:07:13 --> 02:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: In this season, but that doesn't mean that we won't have a certain character thinking about them.
02:07:19 --> 02:07:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sort of grand elf.
02:07:23 --> 02:07:41 [UNKNOWN]: uh... it sounds like we might be going to ruin next episode so let's uh... yeah let's think about the time to go watch that episode actually let's do it um... so let's go talk about our uh... outro don't forget the season pass you can get for just ten bucks or nine if you were a subscriber for season two
02:07:42 --> 02:07:44 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, you can get full access forever.
02:07:44 --> 02:07:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's a one-time charge forever too.
02:07:46 --> 02:07:48 [UNKNOWN]: That should be too hard.
02:07:48 --> 02:07:48 [UNKNOWN]: What are we doing?
02:07:49 --> 02:07:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:07:50 --> 02:07:51 [UNKNOWN]: We're doing the way to store it.
02:07:51 --> 02:07:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's right.
02:07:52 --> 02:07:52 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
02:07:53 --> 02:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're like an infomercial over there, David.
02:07:55 --> 02:07:56 [UNKNOWN]: What are we even doing?
02:07:56 --> 02:07:57 [UNKNOWN]: You know, we're giving it away.
02:07:59 --> 02:08:020 [UNKNOWN]: What was the guy with the cleaning stuff?
02:08:03 --> 02:08:03 [UNKNOWN]: On Popeel.
02:08:04 --> 02:08:08 [UNKNOWN]: No, the guy with the oxyclean.
02:08:08 --> 02:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the oxyclean guy.
02:08:09 --> 02:08:10 [UNKNOWN]: I forget what that guy was.
02:08:10 --> 02:08:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:12 --> 02:08:15 [UNKNOWN]: There's been many, I mean, it's a long, he's really amazed.
02:08:16 --> 02:08:18 [UNKNOWN]: Billy May is here with our season pass.
02:08:20 --> 02:08:25 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, I'm just honoring the tradition of American hucksters and snake oil salesman going back decades.
02:08:25 --> 02:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: So now we're snake oil salesman.
02:08:27 --> 02:08:28 [UNKNOWN]: We're doing great here, guys.
02:08:28 --> 02:08:28 [UNKNOWN]: You better.
02:08:28 --> 02:08:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so anyway, it's a good, it's a good deal.
02:08:31 --> 02:08:36 [UNKNOWN]: I would recommend it if you're not a subscriber already or join us on the subscriber and get all of our shows at free.
02:08:36 --> 02:08:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it just, it does, it really means a lot to us to have that that support, uh, it makes, makes all the hours of prep, um, you know, means something for us.
02:08:45 --> 02:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: And if you want more Tolkien content in the meantime, don't forget, you can check out Rings of Power Season 2.
02:08:50 --> 02:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, Rings and Ritual Season 2, breaking down Rings of Power Season 2 and all the rituals in it with Marilyn and Dr. Sara Brown.
02:08:58 --> 02:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, David, what's going on on the network?
02:09:01 --> 02:09:08 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we have a pers Jackson episode about to drop on Monday relative to when we're recording this.
02:09:09 --> 02:09:16 [UNKNOWN]: Marilyn and Elisha, Marilyn's taken charge of the persi Jackson property and it's got a podcast out about it.
02:09:16 --> 02:09:25 [UNKNOWN]: And you're going to do with a three fairy with very, very strong technical support because you don't want to see me in front of the soundboard trying to make sense of any of it.
02:09:27 --> 02:09:33 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, you you usually should going to cover three you're going to do a beginning of middle and end to arching the season.
02:09:33 --> 02:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: So you'll do a midseason check-in and then do a end-to-season wrap-up.
02:09:37 --> 02:09:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I figured between rings of power and you know the holiday season.
02:09:42 --> 02:09:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a lot of.
02:09:43 --> 02:09:47 [UNKNOWN]: We just could not do that so to episode coverage.
02:09:47 --> 02:09:49 [UNKNOWN]: So apologies to all those who are hoping for that.
02:09:49 --> 02:09:52 [UNKNOWN]: I would really like to be able to do it too, but so many hours in a day.
02:09:52 --> 02:09:53 [UNKNOWN]: Just can't do it
02:09:54 --> 02:09:56 [UNKNOWN]: Nate tonight just wrapped up our Godzilla coverage.
02:09:56 --> 02:09:59 [UNKNOWN]: We had three episodes out for that.
02:09:59 --> 02:10:10 [UNKNOWN]: We ended with a one shot on Godzilla minus zero damn fine movie strongly recommend you go see it in the theater our podcast is out.
02:10:10 --> 02:10:21 [UNKNOWN]: It is spoiler free to begin with So if you just want to get our hot takes and for reasons why go check that out But the first two podcasts in that series cover a sort of history and context on the original 54 movie
02:10:22 --> 02:10:24 [UNKNOWN]: and then we do a little bit of minus one at historical.
02:10:24 --> 02:10:38 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll tell you, having neat on board with the insights of Japanese history and post-World War II history to add context to the movie just really makes the movie going to experience that much better.
02:10:39 --> 02:10:41 [UNKNOWN]: strongly advise you to check that out.
02:10:42 --> 02:10:45 [UNKNOWN]: Dov and I just did our cover wrapped up our coverage today.
02:10:45 --> 02:10:57 [UNKNOWN]: In fact, of Aliens, the 40th anniversary of the 1986 movie, we did a nice, long podcast about Aliens and then we did a live watch today with the community on Discord.
02:10:57 --> 02:10:58 [UNKNOWN]: It was a lot of fun.
02:10:59 --> 02:11:01 [UNKNOWN]: And can I say, I never watched Aliens.
02:11:02 --> 02:11:19 [UNKNOWN]: If you ever care to give me a edit with all the violence removed, I would like to see it because you guys are giving me new insights into a lot of kinds of ways in which military and industrial complex and all the rest of it.
02:11:19 --> 02:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: And plus I mean it's a gritty weaver.
02:11:21 --> 02:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: So.
02:11:22 --> 02:11:24 [UNKNOWN]: We were able to enjoy that five-minute movie Marilyn.
02:11:26 --> 02:11:27 [UNKNOWN]: I hear you, John.
02:11:27 --> 02:11:31 [UNKNOWN]: We were joking today on the live watch about how would we do that?
02:11:31 --> 02:11:32 [UNKNOWN]: Would we just black it out?
02:11:32 --> 02:11:33 [UNKNOWN]: Will we cut scenes?
02:11:33 --> 02:11:35 [UNKNOWN]: We have to be the audio as well.
02:11:35 --> 02:11:39 [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of involved in there, but you actually have my, I'm like, hmm, it's doable.
02:11:39 --> 02:11:40 [UNKNOWN]: It's definitely doable.
02:11:40 --> 02:11:44 [UNKNOWN]: It's just about about a time and like, what to cut out.
02:11:44 --> 02:11:44 [UNKNOWN]: So anyway.
02:11:45 --> 02:11:47 [UNKNOWN]: So you walked into my track.
02:11:49 --> 02:11:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have any agency here.
02:11:50 --> 02:11:57 [UNKNOWN]: I am, you, you have, you have necromanced me into cutting a version.
02:11:57 --> 02:11:58 [UNKNOWN]: Don't do that.
02:11:58 --> 02:11:58 [UNKNOWN]: Don't do that.
02:11:58 --> 02:11:59 [UNKNOWN]: Dirty co-edious stuff.
02:12:00 --> 02:12:02 [UNKNOWN]: Vision Quest sounds like it wrapped up amazingly.
02:12:02 --> 02:12:09 [UNKNOWN]: A lot of people are extoled the virtues of the show, John and Alicia just finished their coverage.
02:12:09 --> 02:12:11 [UNKNOWN]: I think the, they recorded the episode today.
02:12:11 --> 02:12:17 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure it'll be out in a day or two relative to this recording and I believe they're also going to be covering clay face.
02:12:19 --> 02:12:29 [UNKNOWN]: Blade Runner 299 is coming out in Ron Dawson from Dungeons and Duregs, and I are going to be covering that, and then we got a bunch of movie stuff yet to happen.
02:12:29 --> 02:12:31 [UNKNOWN]: Doomsday, Doom 3.
02:12:31 --> 02:12:35 [UNKNOWN]: You can see everything, John, is somewhere in the future.
02:12:35 --> 02:12:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we got to figure out a time to do it.
02:12:36 --> 02:12:39 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm just, you know, we're trying to get our head around and bring the power here.
02:12:39 --> 02:12:42 [UNKNOWN]: It is, that was a big question, Mark.
02:12:42 --> 02:12:46 [UNKNOWN]: So anyway, balls in your court are on that if you want to do it, because I know you want to talk.
02:12:49 --> 02:12:56 [UNKNOWN]: I'm busy watching first-grade science videos and trying to educate myself on how technology works.
02:12:57 --> 02:12:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well played.
02:12:59 --> 02:13:03 [UNKNOWN]: Properly Howard is out with their new season of unlikely duo films.
02:13:03 --> 02:13:04 [UNKNOWN]: Dungeons and dueregs just covered.
02:13:06 --> 02:13:34 [UNKNOWN]: uh... you can see everything as well and i think they were talking about carry and i believe they're gonna be jumping in on rings of power too so that'll be a lot of fun to hear their takes on the seasons apart yes and everyone in the music where pop music and psychology meet uh... they're well into their current season so check everybody out hit the links in the show notes in the link tree link that is there for you all right i will uh... i will read the names then or i will read the scroll of the
02:13:35 --> 02:13:36 [UNKNOWN]: I love that.
02:13:36 --> 02:13:40 [UNKNOWN]: That's what if we move the shout out of volunteers the fourth or the discord server boosters the faithful.
02:13:43 --> 02:13:45 [UNKNOWN]: But the community, you have the Junedine and the faithful.
02:13:45 --> 02:13:46 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, there you go.
02:13:46 --> 02:13:46 [UNKNOWN]: I like it.
02:13:46 --> 02:13:50 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's kind of one in the same because the Junedine or the descendants of the faithful.
02:13:51 --> 02:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:13:52 --> 02:13:52 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:13:52 --> 02:13:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
02:13:53 --> 02:13:53 [UNKNOWN]: That's good point.
02:13:53 --> 02:13:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:13:54 --> 02:13:56 [UNKNOWN]: The scroll of the faithful.
02:13:57 --> 02:13:58 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, let's roll with Vable here.
02:13:58 --> 02:13:59 [UNKNOWN]: Scroll of Nance.
02:13:59 --> 02:14:00 [UNKNOWN]: The Dune Dine.
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