The first two episodes of VisionQuest have given us a new surprisingly lovable Peepaw, his murderbot Frankenstein of a son, and a human grandson with a split personality – and Elysia and Jean are here to dissect it all. From Ultron's most quotable moments to all the shades of moral gray, not to mention teases of new mysteries percolating in the background.
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00:24 --> 00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome to Comics Firsts, a lower-hounds podcast your guides to the greatest glitches of the mind space.
00:31 --> 00:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia, the lesser AI who fucked up Ultron's food delivery.
00:36 --> 00:42 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm Jeff, ready to get into a white vision watch with episodes one and two of vision quests.
00:44 --> 00:49 [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to start since this is the first official episodes released.
00:49 --> 00:54 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to start with a super quick spoiler free fresh take session.
00:54 --> 01:01 [UNKNOWN]: Let's say we did already release a full preview to our preview of the season.
01:01 --> 01:06 [UNKNOWN]: Also recap of things that came before in comparisons with the important comics.
01:07 --> 01:11 [UNKNOWN]: And that was like going all into the promo materials here.
01:13 --> 01:15 [UNKNOWN]: We will skirt the promo materials.
01:15 --> 01:34 [UNKNOWN]: We'll try not to say too much without, or say nothing without warning about things that haven't happened yet that we've seen in the promos, but we will be, of course, talking about everything in Marvel that's been really so far, and we will feel free to make comparisons to the comics, although if you want that, I do recommend that preview episode.
01:34 --> 01:35 [UNKNOWN]: Any thoughts dad to that show?
01:41 --> 01:50 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so say this show has a, they're experimenting these days as need seems they're doing similar with with Percy Jackson, but they're doing a different release schedule for this.
01:51 --> 02:04 [UNKNOWN]: So we've had episodes one and two release together next week is episodes three and four, then five and six will be together, then seven, then and eight are released separately over the last two weeks, the first two weeks of.
02:05 --> 02:05 [UNKNOWN]: November.
02:06 --> 02:09 [UNKNOWN]: And normally our episodes will come out a bit earlier than this.
02:09 --> 02:16 [UNKNOWN]: It's my fault it's late because I had to do other rent paying work deadlines, all that fun stuff.
02:17 --> 02:20 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Jean, for your flexibility in recording this week.
02:20 --> 02:22 [UNKNOWN]: No, thank you for doing the work.
02:23 --> 02:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'm here for the ride.
02:24 --> 02:25 [UNKNOWN]: I appreciate you.
02:25 --> 02:26 [UNKNOWN]: So thanks for this.
02:27 --> 02:31 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, well, well, in general though, try to get these out quicker and weeks to come.
02:31 --> 02:39 [UNKNOWN]: But since this is the first episode, before we get into spoilers, just general thoughts, what did you think?
02:39 --> 02:41 [UNKNOWN]: Who do you think should be watching this?
02:42 --> 02:43 [UNKNOWN]: To whom would you recommend this show?
02:46 --> 02:57 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone who watched One Division or Agatha all along, if you watch those two shows you should watch this.
02:58 --> 03:02 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone who's vaguely interested in the MCU, you can watch this.
03:03 --> 03:09 [UNKNOWN]: Even if you haven't seen One Division or Agatha all along, you can still watch this.
03:11 --> 03:21 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone who's interested in the vision comic that we spoke about on a preview episode from Tom King.
03:22 --> 03:29 [UNKNOWN]: If you read that comic book story 12 issues, you're probably already watching this.
03:29 --> 03:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
03:33 --> 03:43 [UNKNOWN]: I think after these first two episodes, I will say that if you enjoy interesting story telling, you should watch this as well.
03:45 --> 03:48 [UNKNOWN]: And if you'd like to see, you know, robots go murder, murder, then yeah.
03:49 --> 03:54 [UNKNOWN]: So you like, murder for end philosophy, all in one, you should watch this.
03:54 --> 03:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I do think, like, I agree with you.
04:00 --> 04:02 [UNKNOWN]: I think people can watch this without seeing prior stuff.
04:02 --> 04:11 [UNKNOWN]: Apparently, James Spader, who plays Ultron, has been going around and interviews saying, like, he, he was in age about Ultron.
04:11 --> 04:12 [UNKNOWN]: He knows what happened there, but he,
04:13 --> 04:19 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he watched one division or Agatha all along, and he's like, no, this is the beginning of the story.
04:19 --> 04:20 [UNKNOWN]: You don't need to watch it out of the stuff.
04:23 --> 04:34 [UNKNOWN]: And I think, I mean, I think definitely watching that enriches this, but I do think they've done a good job recapping the pertinent bits of the story so far.
04:34 --> 04:35 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
04:36 --> 04:38 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, we did a better job in our two-hour recap.
04:38 --> 04:42 [UNKNOWN]: Of course, you know, we'll, I mean, that goes without saying.
04:45 --> 04:55 [UNKNOWN]: But they did do on-screen a nice job of getting folks up to speed with what this show is about and what happened prior to get us to this point.
04:56 --> 05:00 [UNKNOWN]: So it was nice to see that done on-screen.
05:01 --> 05:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, so they have like a couple minute recap to open it, but I also think that they've done a good job like working it through, especially these first episodes, you know, where because it's part of, you know, checking in on where vision is now is is, you know, him grappling with what's happened before.
05:20 --> 05:21 [UNKNOWN]: So it makes sense.
05:22 --> 05:23 [UNKNOWN]: It works it in nicely.
05:24 --> 05:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
05:26 --> 05:31 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, any other spoiler free thoughts before we get into our real fresh shakes?
05:32 --> 05:34 [UNKNOWN]: No, I want to talk about the stuff.
05:34 --> 05:38 [UNKNOWN]: All right, all right, this is your warning.
05:38 --> 05:46 [UNKNOWN]: We are about to get into full spoilers for the first two episodes of vision quest, no strings, and thesis.
05:46 --> 05:50 [UNKNOWN]: So exit stage left if you're not ready to hear those spoilers yet.
05:51 --> 05:53 [UNKNOWN]: Three, two, one.
05:54 --> 05:56 [UNKNOWN]: Jean-Maine did you think of these first two episodes?
05:58 --> 06:06 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, this was, um, I really thought it was cool, um, Tony Stark, like, looms so largely.
06:06 --> 06:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
06:07 --> 06:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's haunting this neighborhood.
06:08 --> 06:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
06:09 --> 06:10 [UNKNOWN]: Everything.
06:10 --> 06:11 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, this.
06:11 --> 06:12 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, man, why not?
06:12 --> 06:13 [UNKNOWN]: This is.
06:13 --> 06:14 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, man, why not?
06:14 --> 06:19 [UNKNOWN]: But I thought these first two episodes, Tony Stark was the thing that really, you know,
06:20 --> 06:27 [UNKNOWN]: grab my attention because he's had a hand in all of the Android Hispanics in the MCU.
06:29 --> 06:38 [UNKNOWN]: So it's so interesting to see if these characters are their own or they all just versions of Tony Stark to think about that.
06:40 --> 06:42 [UNKNOWN]: How much of him is
06:50 --> 07:05 [UNKNOWN]: and what that means for those characters and, you know, how do we separate and think about them individually knowing that Tony is really the progenitor, it's like crazy.
07:05 --> 07:06 [UNKNOWN]: So that was one thing.
07:07 --> 07:11 [UNKNOWN]: Um, white vision doesn't care about murder.
07:12 --> 07:16 [UNKNOWN]: He's out here and he's like, let's do things different.
07:17 --> 07:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't believe in this, you know, peace, peace, peace, no, no, no, why vision died here?
07:24 --> 07:29 [UNKNOWN]: He's going to kill you and nothing twice about it, which is interesting.
07:30 --> 07:32 [UNKNOWN]: White vision doesn't want to be a dad.
07:32 --> 07:33 [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of fucked up.
07:35 --> 07:38 [UNKNOWN]: White vision not here, not claiming his children.
07:38 --> 07:39 [UNKNOWN]: Like what we doing?
07:40 --> 07:41 [UNKNOWN]: What's going on?
07:42 --> 07:43 [UNKNOWN]: So that was that was crazy.
07:43 --> 07:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you kept your father, you know, locked up in an attic, but you don't want to claim your own children.
07:49 --> 07:49 [UNKNOWN]: This is nuts.
07:50 --> 07:52 [UNKNOWN]: And so there's that.
07:52 --> 07:56 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron is a terrible dad, locked up in that setting.
07:57 --> 08:05 [UNKNOWN]: He's just a horrible father, and knowing where to needle, knowing what will, you know.
08:06 --> 08:19 [UNKNOWN]: really set off his kid, you know, knowing the points, the pressure points to press, to just really get and great on his child was so fucking crazy to watch.
08:20 --> 08:22 [UNKNOWN]: No, like, these two non-humans
08:24 --> 08:25 [UNKNOWN]: played that part.
08:25 --> 08:27 [UNKNOWN]: You don't know what I mean?
08:27 --> 08:28 [UNKNOWN]: So that was super interesting for me.
08:29 --> 08:41 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that dialogue was really good, especially the dialogue between AI's, not so much of the dialogue between AI and humans, but the dialogue between the AI's was really great.
08:43 --> 09:01 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and I'd love that the AI's were all their own distinct personalities, I said that Tony Loone's large over all of this, but even within that you can see that the AI's themselves are trying to exhibit
09:02 --> 09:03 [UNKNOWN]: their own sense of self.
09:04 --> 09:11 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought that was really cool to watch because Jarvis is not the same as Edith or Friday or dummy Yook and Yook.
09:12 --> 09:20 [UNKNOWN]: Just, you know, everyone is distinct in the way that they, you know, present in the way that they perform.
09:23 --> 09:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's why I'm not with it.
09:25 --> 09:26 [UNKNOWN]: How about you?
09:28 --> 09:29 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, one more thing, one more thing, one more thing.
09:32 --> 09:33 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
09:33 --> 09:33 [UNKNOWN]: It's here.
09:34 --> 09:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:35 --> 09:38 [UNKNOWN]: It's no longer just a fist in the air or a dead celestial.
09:38 --> 09:39 [UNKNOWN]: You know.
09:39 --> 09:45 [UNKNOWN]: They can now endure somewhere in the South Pacific is actually being used.
09:46 --> 09:47 [UNKNOWN]: And that's a big deal for the MCU.
09:49 --> 10:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, we're going to definitely talk about adamanty and more as we get toward the end of this too because I have some questions about what this means for the overall universe and whether there any there's any clawed creatures out there as well, perhaps With the swish swish What is it, swick, swick Snick, snick
10:11 --> 10:12 [UNKNOWN]: Snick.
10:12 --> 10:12 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
10:12 --> 10:13 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
10:14 --> 10:15 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone who doesn't know.
10:15 --> 10:19 [UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about Wolverine and his adamantium claws.
10:19 --> 10:21 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, okay, we'll get into that.
10:22 --> 10:27 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I went into this prepared to love it and then I did love it.
10:27 --> 10:28 [UNKNOWN]: So yay.
10:29 --> 10:34 [UNKNOWN]: I love the production design of it.
10:34 --> 10:38 [UNKNOWN]: I love Vision's internal vintage aesthetic, especially.
10:38 --> 10:51 [UNKNOWN]: He's got all these rich jewel tones, and just, yeah, they went nuts on this mine space, you know, the sort of AI-ness of it, of like this is the perfect human home.
10:51 --> 10:56 [UNKNOWN]: Only don't look at how the railing is curled up in itself and the stairs go nowhere,
10:57 --> 10:59 [UNKNOWN]: So a lot of fun details.
10:59 --> 11:04 [UNKNOWN]: This is a very detailed detail oriented show, which is my cup of tea.
11:04 --> 11:06 [UNKNOWN]: You know, see also obviously the prior two or low key.
11:09 --> 11:24 [UNKNOWN]: I was pleasantly surprised and like, I mean, I'm not someone who's always Ravra, I need more action, but I was surprised by the amount of action in these first two episodes and also how well it was used.
11:24 --> 11:29 [UNKNOWN]: Like it was so because it was so intrinsic and incorporated into the story,
11:30 --> 11:37 [UNKNOWN]: I cared, I didn't, my eyes didn't glaze over at it, which can sometimes happen with me when it's just like, you know, action for action sake.
11:37 --> 11:38 [UNKNOWN]: But it's not.
11:38 --> 11:39 [UNKNOWN]: This is all very story driven.
11:40 --> 11:48 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, as you were saying, they are not pulling their punches here, both in terms of visions murdering.
11:50 --> 11:55 [UNKNOWN]: And I had, why vision, why vision, sorry, why have to make it?
11:56 --> 12:02 [UNKNOWN]: If you're listening to the podcast, this is not a colored picture, this is my picture.
12:02 --> 12:08 [UNKNOWN]: This is not, this is not red vision, this is white vision, okay?
12:08 --> 12:14 [UNKNOWN]: This is white vision to separate people, separate entities there and not the same.
12:16 --> 12:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but also just what happens to the other characters, like, each of these episodes had a major death in it already, like, damn, and both of them made me gasp out loud or, you know, have out loud reactions.
12:31 --> 12:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um,
12:32 --> 12:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'm also pleasantly surprised the story seems to be moving on along at a clip that, I mean, I didn't think we would spend that much time in the pub, but it is already, okay, we've got most of the major characters introduced now, we're on the run, we're, you know.
12:49 --> 13:00 [UNKNOWN]: this story has really truly kicked off and is I have a good feeling that they can cover a lot of ground in this because there's a lot of ground I feel like to cover.
13:01 --> 13:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how far they're going to go into this whole story and obviously you and I talked about in our preview episode our suspicion slash hopes of where it might be headed so we'll see we'll see but um it's
13:16 --> 13:22 [UNKNOWN]: a very solid start in terms of, yeah, moving things forward, and obviously the high quality of everything.
13:24 --> 13:36 [UNKNOWN]: At the end of the day though, the things that I'm going to love the most are, yeah, the production design and all that, but also just the character aspects and the philosophy at its core.
13:36 --> 13:40 [UNKNOWN]: Like I love, I love a good grappling with your own humanity.
13:44 --> 13:49 [UNKNOWN]: Paul Bettney giving an interview about this show, he said.
13:50 --> 14:04 [UNKNOWN]: I think that there are a couple of things that you can do with robots and one is, you know, I'm a real boy now, which we've done and the other is Frankenstein, like who am I, what am I, what is my purpose and who made me?
14:04 --> 14:08 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that those two things come together in in vision quest.
14:10 --> 14:14 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, anyone, any regular listeners know that I love Frankenstein.
14:16 --> 14:19 [UNKNOWN]: And this is, yeah, this is definitely a Frankenstein story.
14:19 --> 14:25 [UNKNOWN]: The, you know, grappling also with his creator, Ultron, and as he said, the who am I, the what am I?
14:27 --> 14:35 [UNKNOWN]: But it's also, it's got the fun side of that, too, as we've discussed, which it's a melding genre of both of our interests, yours and mine.
14:36 --> 14:44 [UNKNOWN]: And so there's one point where I actually thought that Paladin was quoting you, and he said, you are.
14:45 --> 14:50 [UNKNOWN]: Because you know, there is more to this world than science.
14:51 --> 14:56 [UNKNOWN]: They are all monsters, and wizards, and witches.
15:01 --> 15:02 [UNKNOWN]: Did you feel my presented in that book?
15:04 --> 15:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, absolutely.
15:06 --> 15:06 [UNKNOWN]: I felt seed.
15:07 --> 15:08 [UNKNOWN]: I felt seed.
15:08 --> 15:09 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
15:09 --> 15:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, somebody finally gets it.
15:12 --> 15:14 [UNKNOWN]: There's like, he finally gets it.
15:14 --> 15:16 [UNKNOWN]: Get out of him all that science shit.
15:16 --> 15:18 [UNKNOWN]: It's magic, baby.
15:19 --> 15:19 [UNKNOWN]: But it's both.
15:20 --> 15:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's both.
15:21 --> 15:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's melding with the two.
15:24 --> 15:25 [UNKNOWN]: He goes good.
15:25 --> 15:30 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, any science that you don't understand as seen as magic that's to paraphrase.
15:30 --> 15:31 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
15:31 --> 15:32 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
15:32 --> 15:34 [UNKNOWN]: I will not accept that.
15:34 --> 15:34 [UNKNOWN]: No.
15:36 --> 15:37 [UNKNOWN]: I will not accept that.
15:38 --> 15:44 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying, ask Brendan Sanders and you can explain magic to a point that it becomes science.
15:46 --> 15:47 [UNKNOWN]: No, I will not accept that either.
15:47 --> 15:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, I will not accept it.
15:50 --> 15:52 [UNKNOWN]: There's magic in this science.
15:54 --> 15:55 [UNKNOWN]: I don't fuck with the science.
15:55 --> 15:57 [UNKNOWN]: I fuck with the magic, that's it.
16:00 --> 16:00 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
16:00 --> 16:04 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's get into the breakdown of the episodes itself.
16:04 --> 16:16 [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to be talking more like character by character and sort of overall plot arc by plot arc rather than seen by scene and we will be talking about both episodes mixed together.
16:17 --> 16:24 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to gloss over the recap parts of the episode because again we already covered that in depth in the separate episodes.
16:24 --> 16:28 [UNKNOWN]: So see the season preview if you're a bit fuzzy on the things that came before.
16:29 --> 16:38 [UNKNOWN]: But we're going to be focusing on the new events introduced in episode one, no strings, and the plot synopsis for that one is vision rebooted and hiding.
16:38 --> 16:39 [UNKNOWN]: Consults Friday,
16:41 --> 16:46 [UNKNOWN]: Abounty forces him on the run with Thomas Shepard, possibly his reincarnated son.
16:47 --> 16:50 [UNKNOWN]: He must resist all trans-influence in Solve the Mystery.
16:50 --> 16:56 [UNKNOWN]: An episode to Thesis, vision comes face to face with his salons while investigating whether Tommy Shepard is his son.
16:57 --> 17:00 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say actually the second line of the first is really from the second episode, but anyway.
17:01 --> 17:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
17:03 --> 17:04 [UNKNOWN]: These are the official pod summer things.
17:04 --> 17:09 [UNKNOWN]: And both of them were directed by Christopher J.
17:09 --> 17:11 [UNKNOWN]: Burn, who is best known.
17:11 --> 17:18 [UNKNOWN]: We use prolific TV writer, but it's also written episodes for like foundation and American gods and things like that.
17:19 --> 17:19 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, directed episodes.
17:20 --> 17:24 [UNKNOWN]: And the writing side was done by the showrunner himself, Terry Matales.
17:26 --> 17:30 [UNKNOWN]: So let's check in first before we get into the plot development.
17:30 --> 17:32 [UNKNOWN]: Let's check in on where we're picking up with vision.
17:32 --> 17:33 [UNKNOWN]: We learn later.
17:33 --> 17:37 [UNKNOWN]: This is set about a year and a half after.
17:37 --> 17:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, about a year and a half after, okay, after Agatha all along, because it's a Tommy has been in Thomas Shepherd's body for about a year and a half.
17:46 --> 17:51 [UNKNOWN]: We learn later, which, and that was how long after one division again, that was about a long,
17:55 --> 17:56 [UNKNOWN]: All right, I don't know how I'm gonna look this up.
17:59 --> 18:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so, and that takes place three years after WonderVision.
18:04 --> 18:11 [UNKNOWN]: So, it's now been four and a half years since we saw WhiteVision fly off in WonderVision.
18:12 --> 18:15 [UNKNOWN]: So, what do you think he's been up to in that time?
18:16 --> 18:17 [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't look like much.
18:17 --> 18:24 [UNKNOWN]: It looks like he's been, you know, really trying to stay low key.
18:24 --> 18:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know if I wonder if they'll show us anything from before the bar.
18:34 --> 18:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like when he flew off at the end of one division where we meet him at where did he go?
18:42 --> 18:42 [UNKNOWN]: What did he do?
18:42 --> 18:54 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if they'll dedicate that episode to to join that story as well, but from what we got these first two episodes, it looks like he's been hiding from the world.
18:55 --> 19:18 [UNKNOWN]: And maybe not just hiding from the world, so he doesn't get, you know, put in some sort of scientific, you know, experimental lab and cut up to pieces, like the original version, but hiding from the world just because he doesn't know what he is.
19:19 --> 19:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
19:20 --> 19:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
19:21 --> 19:22 [UNKNOWN]: So we pick up with him.
19:22 --> 19:29 [UNKNOWN]: He's working at a pub in Edinburgh, but it's the pub where we saw him and Wanda in infinity war.
19:29 --> 19:31 [UNKNOWN]: And the pubs called the old Selki.
19:33 --> 19:38 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure I think a lot of people aren't familiar with Selki myths as much as other things.
19:38 --> 19:39 [UNKNOWN]: Are you familiar with Selki's?
19:40 --> 19:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
19:41 --> 19:46 [UNKNOWN]: So this is a creature that you especially see in like Celtic mythology.
19:46 --> 19:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's a, or Iceland has a version of it too.
19:50 --> 19:51 [UNKNOWN]: I forget if it has a different name.
19:51 --> 19:55 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, it's, it's a seal.
19:56 --> 20:06 [UNKNOWN]: Basically, it's like a wear seal in a way, but the way it works is it's often usually, I would say a woman who wears a seal suit in the sea.
20:06 --> 20:11 [UNKNOWN]: And then can like take off her seal skin when she comes on land and appears as human.
20:11 --> 20:18 [UNKNOWN]: And the story is often about a man who falls in love with her and hides her seal skin.
20:19 --> 20:25 [UNKNOWN]: And so that he can marry her and kind of keep her trapped or whatever, and her seal skin is her longing to get back.
20:25 --> 20:30 [UNKNOWN]: But it's like the true horror that she has over this human, guys.
20:31 --> 20:33 [UNKNOWN]: So that's it.
20:33 --> 20:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right?
20:34 --> 20:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like you wanted to run at the time.
20:37 --> 20:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and also like what visions doing now, he's trying to pretend not to be a seal and being as a human in the old sokie.
20:46 --> 20:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that that too, but I went to
21:01 --> 21:04 [UNKNOWN]: pretending that vision was something that he was not.
21:06 --> 21:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, that vision was whatever she wanted him to be.
21:08 --> 21:13 [UNKNOWN]: Almost, but it's not true, actually, because he did even her constructive hip-hop-back.
21:14 --> 21:15 [UNKNOWN]: That time, yeah, that's true.
21:16 --> 21:18 [UNKNOWN]: So that is interesting.
21:18 --> 21:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
21:19 --> 21:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's also, do we believe him, or maybe can't, I mean, can't be both.
21:23 --> 21:27 [UNKNOWN]: He says he's not haunting Wanda's footsteps, but his former self.
21:27 --> 21:35 [UNKNOWN]: And it's interesting he speaks about this prior vision of vision, this prior version of vision in the third person.
21:36 --> 21:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he doesn't, he's saying he's not that vision.
21:42 --> 21:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
21:43 --> 21:44 [UNKNOWN]: I am white vision, I'm not that vision.
21:45 --> 21:50 [UNKNOWN]: And in a way, and it seems almost to be putting himself down, like he says.
21:51 --> 21:53 [UNKNOWN]: I have his memories been on his feelings.
21:54 --> 21:56 [UNKNOWN]: I have his face been on his virtue.
21:58 --> 22:10 [UNKNOWN]: All I can feel is the weight of his legacy, his worthiness, his name.
22:15 --> 22:40 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'll tell you something, when that scene was happening, I thought, I'm named after my dad, so I'm a junior and as my father aged, I felt that way of his legacy, of who he was and how people looked at me because a lot of my family, they don't call me by
22:47 --> 23:11 [UNKNOWN]: So there's a weight to that, that as you grow, you know, as I grew, and my father aged, I felt, you know, because of how people viewed him, how are they viewing me, and what do I carry
23:15 --> 23:35 [UNKNOWN]: So it was a real, that sort of, that hit really hard for me in that moment because I remember having those feelings of am I worthy of this name, you know, am I doing enough to live up to how people saw my dad?
23:37 --> 23:38 [UNKNOWN]: And that is something that is
23:40 --> 23:50 [UNKNOWN]: really, real, real, and that he, he feels this way about vision, why didn't feel this way about vision.
23:50 --> 23:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, I get it.
23:54 --> 24:07 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, especially like, it's, you know, people, he knows that people look at him, even though he looks different, people look at him and see, like, oh, you are the same person.
24:07 --> 24:09 [UNKNOWN]: And he's like, I am not the same person.
24:10 --> 24:19 [UNKNOWN]: And I think we can say that about a lot of us that in less literal ways, but like suppose we meet people from a different phase in our lives in the past.
24:20 --> 24:23 [UNKNOWN]: and they think they know who we are.
24:23 --> 24:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, you don't know me since certain events, or certain things that shaped me into a version of the same person ultimately, but I'm not who I was then.
24:41 --> 24:45 [UNKNOWN]: And he's going by, I mean, all this stuff about I'm not following in Wanda's footsteps.
24:45 --> 24:54 [UNKNOWN]: His fake name is Sherwood Ellis, which is, like, he, his in Wanda's house was 2800 Sherwood Drive.
24:54 --> 24:55 [UNKNOWN]: Sherwood.
24:56 --> 24:58 [UNKNOWN]: New Jersey and Ellis was another road in Westview.
24:59 --> 25:03 [UNKNOWN]: I think that was a road where he and Agatha had a confrontation in Wanda vision.
25:05 --> 25:12 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, we're in the car where she pretended to be stuck to manipulate him a bit.
25:12 --> 25:12 [UNKNOWN]: I love her.
25:16 --> 25:23 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so he's like, he's like, no, I'm not, it's not about Wanda, but I'm just like obsessed about our life together.
25:26 --> 25:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it is about one, and so much of it is about one.
25:29 --> 25:38 [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's about one day, and it's about, you know, Ultron, and he's trying to figure out who he is, but he's been shaped by these events, right?
25:39 --> 25:40 [UNKNOWN]: And he has to unpack all of it.
25:41 --> 25:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah.
25:43 --> 25:50 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about, what did you think of Fiona, all right, P. Fiona Guthrie is the owner of the pub?
25:51 --> 25:53 [UNKNOWN]: That was inviting him for a Sunday roast.
25:55 --> 25:56 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how doesn't she know?
25:57 --> 26:08 [UNKNOWN]: Like, didn't, I think because that, there was a point she mentioned Wanda, like she said, something about the, you used to come and have a picture.
26:08 --> 26:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:08 --> 26:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:09 --> 26:11 [UNKNOWN]: So she didn't pay attention to the news.
26:11 --> 26:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what you don't like, how don't you know that there are others who they are, who they were, and who this is, so that that was a question for me.
26:21 --> 26:25 [UNKNOWN]: Was that part of Peter's mind, like, I don't know.
26:26 --> 26:29 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how doesn't she shit recognize him?
26:30 --> 26:30 [UNKNOWN]: No?
26:30 --> 26:37 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess he doesn't appear in human form and the news he appears in, you know, vision form and she hasn't seen that.
26:37 --> 26:42 [UNKNOWN]: And as far as Wanda, well, he, but I mean, if I, I could, he was red.
26:43 --> 26:43 [UNKNOWN]: He was red.
26:44 --> 26:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he looks completely different.
26:47 --> 26:49 [UNKNOWN]: But Wanda, yeah, yeah.
26:50 --> 26:56 [UNKNOWN]: But Wanda doesn't, like, you change your hair or put on glasses and like, people don't recognize you anymore.
26:56 --> 26:58 [UNKNOWN]: So you just made this the clock can't affect him.
26:59 --> 27:01 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's a lot more than that.
27:01 --> 27:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's a lot more than a pair of glasses in this case.
27:03 --> 27:04 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay.
27:04 --> 27:05 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what I mean.
27:05 --> 27:26 [UNKNOWN]: Wanda, I would say Leso, she looks more like herself, but also, I do think that it's true that when people see people, that they know from the screen in real life, it's out of context or, you know, they just, it just doesn't look the same without the, you do, and you just don't expect to see them.
27:29 --> 27:34 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, apparently they were on the run and people weren't recognizing them at the pub then, so.
27:35 --> 27:36 [UNKNOWN]: I know I would recognize the ass.
27:37 --> 27:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so then, they tell you they're right now.
27:40 --> 27:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you got a diamond in your head and you read.
27:43 --> 27:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, if we do that's why he's not a weird guy.
27:48 --> 28:07 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I thought she it was very sweet like she sees him as posh and odd, but human I've questioned so about this Sunday roast thing because okay so we know he can't eat this is true in the comics it like gums up the work we saw it literally gumming up the works in Wanda vision and like one of the couple opening episodes.
28:07 --> 28:15 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but in this later when Paladin says something about him not being able to eat he picks up his glass and drains it and puts it back down.
28:15 --> 28:16 [UNKNOWN]: So.
28:19 --> 28:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but does his inner stuff work differently?
28:23 --> 28:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like Kenny, because Ultralm was also like, go to the Sunday roast.
28:26 --> 28:28 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, it's going to be weird if he goes and can't eat.
28:30 --> 28:36 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he wasn't created in the same way that vision was created.
28:36 --> 28:38 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe he has an outport.
28:39 --> 28:42 [UNKNOWN]: Damn, I think there's, I think there's more to watch vision.
28:42 --> 28:45 [UNKNOWN]: An inport in the mouth and an outport also.
28:45 --> 28:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, right.
28:46 --> 28:47 [UNKNOWN]: Wide vision.
28:47 --> 28:48 [UNKNOWN]: All of that has an answer.
28:49 --> 28:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
28:52 --> 28:53 [UNKNOWN]: And it's named ultra, no, sorry.
28:55 --> 28:58 [UNKNOWN]: So I think there's more to,
29:00 --> 29:01 [UNKNOWN]: Chaos Magic is chaos, right?
29:03 --> 29:14 [UNKNOWN]: So I think there's more to this vision than just what Tony in all-tron ultimately created and the Avengers movie.
29:14 --> 29:19 [UNKNOWN]: So that vision is drastically different, I think.
29:21 --> 29:28 [UNKNOWN]: And that's why when he drank it, I was like, oh, shit, he's just saying, showing him that what you think you know,
29:29 --> 29:32 [UNKNOWN]: That doesn't apply to me because I'm not that guy.
29:36 --> 29:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and yeah Fiona, like we got a nice little backstory for her.
29:42 --> 29:44 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder if we will see any more from her.
29:44 --> 29:48 [UNKNOWN]: As you said, if we see more from before this opening episode.
29:48 --> 29:53 [UNKNOWN]: But like we learned she has double shift working boyfriend.
29:53 --> 29:56 [UNKNOWN]: She claims to leave the smallest flat in Edinburgh.
29:56 --> 29:59 [UNKNOWN]: Although I don't know how she's hosting Sunday roast them, but anyway.
30:01 --> 30:29 [UNKNOWN]: It like maybe this was just to establish the character so we felt the literal gut punch when she gets shot, but I do wonder if it's coming back especially also there they zoom in on this moment where she has this homeless collection jar with red smiley stickers with yellow eyes and she puts one on vision and I just yeah, I wonder if that's going to Mean anything later or if this is just a bit of character development.
30:29 --> 30:30 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have thoughts on that?
30:31 --> 30:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
30:31 --> 30:33 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we'll see her again.
30:33 --> 30:36 [UNKNOWN]: Not even in flashbacks.
30:36 --> 30:38 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't think she's dead obviously, but.
30:39 --> 30:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that's what I mean.
30:40 --> 30:41 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we'll see her in flashbacks.
30:42 --> 30:43 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
30:43 --> 30:46 [UNKNOWN]: I think her her death was.
30:47 --> 30:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did let out a gas.
30:50 --> 30:56 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, shit, when I had to go, yeah, because totally, not expecting them at that.
30:56 --> 30:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there was no, yeah, didn't see it coming.
30:59 --> 30:59 [UNKNOWN]: They got me.
31:01 --> 31:03 [UNKNOWN]: They really didn't, they really did, they really did.
31:05 --> 31:11 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I don't know if to what end it would serve us to see her again.
31:13 --> 31:24 [UNKNOWN]: because in the scenes that she was in, you know, it really explained a lot about where an vision is at this time.
31:24 --> 31:25 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
31:26 --> 31:28 [UNKNOWN]: Like how he's been at this time.
31:28 --> 31:31 [UNKNOWN]: Like so I deleted and just
31:33 --> 31:37 [UNKNOWN]: Like I said before, hiding from the world, you know?
31:37 --> 31:44 [UNKNOWN]: So she gave us that and I think that's what the character was there to do.
31:45 --> 31:50 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if we'll see her again to offer more humanity to him.
31:51 --> 31:55 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we'll need that going forward because Tommy's here now.
31:56 --> 31:58 [UNKNOWN]: True, yeah, no, yeah.
31:58 --> 31:59 [UNKNOWN]: To play off at that.
31:59 --> 31:59 [UNKNOWN]: So.
32:01 --> 32:14 [UNKNOWN]: All right, well, we find out that he is sleeping in the walk-in fridge and sleeping in heavy air quotes because obviously he doesn't really need to sleep, but he's interacting with the AI inside.
32:14 --> 32:21 [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to take a quick break here and when we come back we're going to explore vision's mind space and meet its other inhabitants.
32:22 --> 32:22 [UNKNOWN]: You're a fact.
32:42 --> 32:49 [UNKNOWN]: So I, as I was saying before, I love the design of the mine space shout out to production designer Will Hughes Jones.
32:51 --> 32:56 [UNKNOWN]: I think like there's a lot of, I do, I love the aesthetic of it overall.
32:56 --> 33:03 [UNKNOWN]: I do like this sort of jewel-toned vintage vibe in general, but I love the way that they incorporated
33:04 --> 33:11 [UNKNOWN]: Lots of fun branding Easter eggs, like instead of vegemite, which is like a sorry Australian semblance to discuss.
33:11 --> 33:12 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's great.
33:14 --> 33:15 [UNKNOWN]: You've had it before.
33:16 --> 33:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no thank goodness, but I've seen it before.
33:19 --> 33:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it is bitter.
33:22 --> 33:24 [UNKNOWN]: I did not try it.
33:25 --> 33:31 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a fan, but you know, Brits in especially like Brits like Marmy, especially in Aussies, especially like
33:33 --> 33:37 [UNKNOWN]: Instead of vegemite, they have vis-a-mine.
33:38 --> 33:44 [UNKNOWN]: And we don't have time to go through all of the various Easter egg things, but there's so many in there.
33:46 --> 33:55 [UNKNOWN]: So actually Marvel put out two-minute video on the Marvel YouTube channel where there's a tour highlighting some of the Easter eggs as well.
33:55 --> 33:56 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I didn't have another.
33:57 --> 33:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
33:58 --> 33:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
33:58 --> 33:58 [UNKNOWN]: I miss you too.
33:58 --> 33:59 [UNKNOWN]: I miss you.
34:02 --> 34:07 [UNKNOWN]: YouTube gets is bad about alerting me sometimes that I never go.
34:07 --> 34:08 [UNKNOWN]: I don't get alerts.
34:09 --> 34:09 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
34:09 --> 34:09 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
34:10 --> 34:11 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's fair.
34:11 --> 34:11 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
34:13 --> 34:22 [UNKNOWN]: But also there's like all these fun AIisms around the house, for instance, like one I noticed is there's a painting.
34:22 --> 34:29 [UNKNOWN]: There's the the famous Marguerite paintings with a man with like a fruit forehead or in front of a space or something.
34:30 --> 34:38 [UNKNOWN]: And so there's two, the two most famous ones are combined into one envisioned house, or when you see the outside of the house,
34:38 --> 34:45 [UNKNOWN]: the vines and pipes are blending into each other because that's definitely something the AI image do.
34:46 --> 34:55 [UNKNOWN]: But also there's like a mix of white and red bricks on the house because I think that's like visions to identity struggling to merge.
34:55 --> 34:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, I agree.
34:58 --> 34:59 [UNKNOWN]: What happens when they do merge?
35:01 --> 35:06 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we get a totally no, please no, don't make a mevel.
35:09 --> 35:12 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, well, I mean, because I do wonderful.
35:12 --> 35:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't want to like, okay, I don't want to spoil the Tom King thing coming full series, even though it's been a decade, but I'll just say like the Tom King series grapples with what our visions limits, and I do wonder if they show well as well.
35:26 --> 35:28 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, that's a good point.
35:28 --> 35:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think it will.
35:30 --> 35:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think they will.
35:31 --> 35:57 [UNKNOWN]: I do think they explicitly make vision autistic coded, for example, there's, I know that, you know, I know people have taken the autism test where you are shown images of things happening and asked to describe them and vision definitely just describe them in an autistic way in that he sees the images in the painting.
35:58 --> 36:00 [UNKNOWN]: But not the emotions that they're expressing.
36:00 --> 36:04 [UNKNOWN]: All Tron has to point out to me and like, you see this, it's about these emotions.
36:04 --> 36:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, I see what they're doing.
36:06 --> 36:11 [UNKNOWN]: But like, you know, but that doesn't mean that vision doesn't feel those emotions himself.
36:11 --> 36:13 [UNKNOWN]: And that's a mistake that he's making right now.
36:13 --> 36:15 [UNKNOWN]: Because I think visions clearly feeling a lot of emotions.
36:16 --> 36:16 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
36:16 --> 36:17 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, you could see it.
36:17 --> 36:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely.
36:19 --> 36:19 [UNKNOWN]: It's suppressing them.
36:20 --> 36:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
36:21 --> 36:22 [UNKNOWN]: Actively suppressing them.
36:22 --> 36:23 [UNKNOWN]: A lot of me touching them.
36:24 --> 36:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, especially if when he goes to watch those mind movies of his former life, or first of all, on Easter egg, did you see when he walks by the posters, when he's going in, the posters say, like, they're like movie posters.
36:37 --> 36:44 [UNKNOWN]: Movie posters is a birth love death revision, and then coming soon, zooms into him.
36:47 --> 37:07 [UNKNOWN]: And he's watching my movies of his former life, and apparently we hear from the other AI that when he does that often the house shakes, so it shows he's having some sort of emotional reaction to these things that it's seeing, but then it's the worst when Ultron
37:13 --> 37:40 [UNKNOWN]: uh... play videos that they have from apparently they it's it's met um... one vision memories and apparently it's from like a sword hack but actually i think but you know one division himself just put it in white visions had these memories right yeah i think so i think so what do you think dummy and you are accepting orders from all china they're just that's a question that it that i have in the episode watching them like why did they do that and didn't answer that yet
37:42 --> 37:49 [UNKNOWN]: So that's going to be interesting to find out how much control does Ultron really have within the Mindscape.
37:50 --> 38:00 [UNKNOWN]: You know, we're led to believe that he was trapped in the attic and he had no way to affect anything going on, but obviously that's not true.
38:00 --> 38:04 [UNKNOWN]: Because they listen to him to show that.
38:05 --> 38:08 [UNKNOWN]: So how much control does he exert and how much control does he really have?
38:09 --> 38:10 [UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
38:10 --> 38:10 [UNKNOWN]: Over vision.
38:11 --> 38:16 [UNKNOWN]: Because I don't, I'll try and it's not trying to escape when he's trying to take over.
38:17 --> 38:17 [UNKNOWN]: So.
38:18 --> 38:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you think?
38:19 --> 38:20 [UNKNOWN]: You think that's his endgame?
38:21 --> 38:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, definitely.
38:23 --> 38:23 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
38:23 --> 38:25 [UNKNOWN]: That was all trying to original.
38:25 --> 38:27 [UNKNOWN]: But I was his original goal.
38:27 --> 38:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:28 --> 38:30 [UNKNOWN]: And have it this indestructible body.
38:31 --> 38:49 [UNKNOWN]: You know, and I think that's still the goal because we'll talk about it, but when he when he tells vision that when Jarvis dies and he tells the vision that was his first choice.
38:49 --> 38:50 [UNKNOWN]: But we're his second.
38:51 --> 38:57 [UNKNOWN]: We're all right, so because he didn't want to lose what Jarvis had.
38:59 --> 39:02 [UNKNOWN]: the capability that JavaScript had over the fence and all those things.
39:02 --> 39:10 [UNKNOWN]: See, I'm wondering about the, because I would have thought that he would want to lose security if Ultron wants to get out or take over something.
39:12 --> 39:15 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think he wants to get out, I think he wants to subsume, I think he wants to take over.
39:17 --> 39:19 [UNKNOWN]: Now that's a, you have a good point.
39:19 --> 39:25 [UNKNOWN]: But he wants, and I think he wants the programs that will assist him going forward.
39:27 --> 39:32 [UNKNOWN]: But also, I mean, he is coaching, like he is theorizing vision.
39:35 --> 39:35 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
39:35 --> 39:47 [UNKNOWN]: He needed to stabilize him, but it's just, it is interesting that he, like we see vision at one point just straight up laying on his couch and, and you know, say, that was a fact.
39:48 --> 39:53 [UNKNOWN]: Similarly, conjured by one, the maximum of about the hex vision, none of it was real.
39:54 --> 39:58 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, going back to the vision, he was a hero, he lived, he loved, he died.
39:58 --> 39:59 [UNKNOWN]: That was real.
40:00 --> 40:03 [UNKNOWN]: Westview was a fantasy and all-terons like bullshit.
40:03 --> 40:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's just a deep, scary well of emotions.
40:06 --> 40:07 [UNKNOWN]: You can't handle.
40:07 --> 40:09 [UNKNOWN]: Isn't that the point to this ridiculous mind space?
40:10 --> 40:15 [UNKNOWN]: So, old-range is like, I love the bluntness of Ultron.
40:15 --> 40:16 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I think.
40:16 --> 40:16 [UNKNOWN]: I think Tron?
40:17 --> 40:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
40:17 --> 40:23 [UNKNOWN]: This is something you're pulled clips for this episode, and I feel like they're 80% Ultron.
40:24 --> 40:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of gold in what he said.
40:30 --> 40:36 [UNKNOWN]: and speed a delivery of the lines just like it's such an awesome way, and things speed the actor in and just like, yeah.
40:40 --> 40:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but Friday, she sums it up well.
40:42 --> 40:44 [UNKNOWN]: She says, Vision knows the fact of his life.
40:44 --> 40:46 [UNKNOWN]: Now, he's searching for the feeling of it.
40:46 --> 40:48 [UNKNOWN]: And that's why he does the movie stuff.
40:48 --> 40:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
40:49 --> 40:57 [UNKNOWN]: But I mean, it's fun to see him do, I don't know, the like in the comics, he seems so long to be human.
40:57 --> 41:04 [UNKNOWN]: He's the most romantic thing he says about Wanda and the opening recap is she made me feel real.
41:06 --> 41:14 [UNKNOWN]: and he's forcing the AI in his head to appear in human form, but I think one of the most telling exchanges we get.
41:14 --> 41:26 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the entire mind's face is obviously made of a few in constructs, but I love when Ultron complains that he, uh, apparently, he intentionally made the food delivery suck.
41:26 --> 41:27 [UNKNOWN]: Well done!
41:28 --> 41:34 [UNKNOWN]: You've perfectly simulated humanity's ineptitude at mastering the bare basics of food delivery.
41:35 --> 41:47 [UNKNOWN]: I cannot believe that you actually programmed these idiot day debates to deliver fake food to your fractured psyche, ice cold, and 40 minutes too late.
41:47 --> 41:47 [UNKNOWN]: How dare you?
41:48 --> 41:49 [UNKNOWN]: How dare you?
41:50 --> 41:53 [UNKNOWN]: Ice cold and 40 minutes too late.
41:55 --> 41:57 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't had that happen, let me just say.
41:58 --> 42:00 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't had that happen in a very long time.
42:00 --> 42:04 [UNKNOWN]: You know, so ice cold food delivered 40 minutes late.
42:05 --> 42:10 [UNKNOWN]: That is a very particular thing that I'll try and it's raging against it, and I am here to say that it's not the facts.
42:12 --> 42:13 [UNKNOWN]: I've definitely had it happen.
42:13 --> 42:14 [UNKNOWN]: But this is funny.
42:14 --> 42:20 [UNKNOWN]: Like the whole thing about vision being the AI trying to like mixing the wrong things together.
42:20 --> 42:22 [UNKNOWN]: He says, Oh my God.
42:26 --> 42:48 [UNKNOWN]: Sesame chicken cow's own he would have any understanding of human cuisine if you want us to eat at least go out and expand the menu It's the sniffing that that set beyond like he smelled it like Like a human with some weird.
42:49 --> 42:53 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I He's playing the rules of the construct.
42:53 --> 42:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
42:53 --> 42:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, he is
42:56 --> 43:00 [UNKNOWN]: by feeling like going back to the whole vision trying to live up to prior vision thing.
43:01 --> 43:07 [UNKNOWN]: There's a beat where he notices he's like, nobody's looking for me when there's a data lake.
43:08 --> 43:09 [UNKNOWN]: And he's like, not even an Avenger.
43:09 --> 43:12 [UNKNOWN]: And there's like, hmm, and then he's like, he has a feeling about it.
43:12 --> 43:14 [UNKNOWN]: And then suppressed moving on.
43:14 --> 43:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
43:16 --> 43:16 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
43:17 --> 43:27 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, do they that is a question that is that goes back to like the four and a half years of missing time for on vision story.
43:27 --> 43:29 [UNKNOWN]: Do they even know he's alive?
43:30 --> 43:31 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good question.
43:31 --> 43:33 [UNKNOWN]: Does anyone know he's alive?
43:34 --> 43:34 [UNKNOWN]: Huh.
43:35 --> 43:35 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
43:36 --> 43:38 [UNKNOWN]: Somebody does because somebody put a head out on him.
43:39 --> 43:39 [UNKNOWN]: So.
43:40 --> 43:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
43:41 --> 43:44 [UNKNOWN]: Does the superhero community know that he's alive?
43:44 --> 43:47 [UNKNOWN]: Does Sam Wilson know that vision is alive?
43:48 --> 43:50 [UNKNOWN]: And does Sam Wilson want to put him in jail?
43:51 --> 43:53 [UNKNOWN]: That's a question.
43:53 --> 43:55 [UNKNOWN]: It's a good to tell him, just wait, just wait and jail.
43:56 --> 43:58 [UNKNOWN]: Or is that just, or not, because he's white vision?
43:59 --> 44:01 [UNKNOWN]: Let me tell you, it's exactly.
44:01 --> 44:05 [UNKNOWN]: Sam Wilson shows up and doesn't tell a white vision that go put his ass in jail.
44:06 --> 44:07 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the law, we got problems, okay?
44:08 --> 44:09 [UNKNOWN]: We got problems.
44:09 --> 44:12 [UNKNOWN]: He's got a lot more people than Isaiah ever did.
44:12 --> 44:13 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my gosh.
44:13 --> 44:15 [UNKNOWN]: Just in these two episodes.
44:16 --> 44:17 [UNKNOWN]: Just saying, just saying.
44:21 --> 44:24 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to see a vision punish or team up?
44:27 --> 44:28 [UNKNOWN]: Who would survive?
44:29 --> 44:30 [UNKNOWN]: Nobody.
44:32 --> 44:33 [UNKNOWN]: What if they faced off?
44:33 --> 44:36 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like, yeah, Punisher can't stand up to vision.
44:36 --> 44:38 [UNKNOWN]: Unless he had a mental illness.
44:38 --> 44:38 [UNKNOWN]: But still.
44:39 --> 44:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:40 --> 44:43 [UNKNOWN]: If he did, then yes, he would give him a fight.
44:43 --> 44:45 [UNKNOWN]: But no, he can't stand up.
44:46 --> 44:54 [UNKNOWN]: The way that they have division in the MCU, there are not a lot of heroes that can potentially,
44:58 --> 45:01 [UNKNOWN]: because his power set is just so crazy.
45:03 --> 45:17 [UNKNOWN]: The becoming intangible, the super strength, the speed, the flight, the laser being out of the forehead, you know, the fighting mechanics that he can download instantly.
45:18 --> 45:22 [UNKNOWN]: There, I don't know, there's not a lot of people could take him out.
45:23 --> 45:24 [UNKNOWN]: He's pretty OP.
45:24 --> 45:25 [UNKNOWN]: That's why if he turns evil,
45:27 --> 45:28 [UNKNOWN]: May have some problems.
45:29 --> 45:34 [UNKNOWN]: If you go to the, if he goes to the other side, that's coming up in the summer.
45:35 --> 45:37 [UNKNOWN]: The other side of doomsday?
45:37 --> 45:42 [UNKNOWN]: If he's recruited by a certain doctor, yes.
45:44 --> 45:47 [UNKNOWN]: If a certain doctor recruits him, that's problematic.
45:47 --> 45:50 [UNKNOWN]: Especially if that certain doctor might have his wife, so.
45:51 --> 46:00 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly, it is our, we're, we're just basing that on the comics and the fact that the Avengers uh, Doomstay stuff has lot varying, which isn't it.
46:02 --> 46:04 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we're nice to be seeing.
46:06 --> 46:19 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, we talked about there's another fun, something brought up here that's definitely they're setting up to play out more and that's that painting on the wall of a man on fire in the mine space.
46:20 --> 46:28 [UNKNOWN]: And so I'll say anyone who wants to know, like we'll just say the name of that person that man on fire, we know his name is Jim Hammond.
46:29 --> 46:35 [UNKNOWN]: because he's an important character from the comics known as the original human torch, nothing to do with the fantastic for.
46:36 --> 46:43 [UNKNOWN]: Listen to our preview episode if you want to know more about his very important role in vision story in the comics.
46:43 --> 46:48 [UNKNOWN]: He's not had that role in vision story in MC movies, right?
46:49 --> 46:51 [UNKNOWN]: But so I'm very curious.
46:52 --> 46:53 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously they're bringing him in.
46:54 --> 46:59 [UNKNOWN]: I misspoke and said, I didn't remember where he was brought up before, but it was actually he appeared.
47:01 --> 47:13 [UNKNOWN]: Like there was a stand at an expo in the first Captain America movie with a display about the inventor, Finius Horton, who's in his inventor and the expo called him the synthetic man.
47:13 --> 47:16 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
47:17 --> 47:22 [UNKNOWN]: and here vision calls him the first of us and a cautionary tale.
47:24 --> 47:27 [UNKNOWN]: So now I'm curious why is he a cautionary tale?
47:28 --> 47:30 [UNKNOWN]: And what, yeah, what's them CU version?
47:30 --> 47:31 [UNKNOWN]: What happened to him?
47:31 --> 47:33 [UNKNOWN]: He did die in the comics too, but he got better.
47:34 --> 47:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he is comics.
47:36 --> 47:38 [UNKNOWN]: He definitely is not certain.
47:40 --> 47:40 [UNKNOWN]: It's not forever.
47:43 --> 47:46 [UNKNOWN]: until the next writer has a really good idea for your character.
47:46 --> 47:49 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
47:49 --> 48:04 [UNKNOWN]: And another mystery they're seeding, that's only lurking in the background so far, is there was a newspaper headline and a news report that we hear later about tech giants being murdered?
48:06 --> 48:19 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I think though that's really interesting that they're making a point that tech giants or people at the head of tech companies are being murdered.
48:20 --> 48:20 [UNKNOWN]: So what did that mean?
48:20 --> 48:34 [UNKNOWN]: Who's on the outside who was trying to facilitate, I guess I'll break down in the tech industry because that would be advantageous to who?
48:37 --> 48:45 [UNKNOWN]: And apparently whoever is killing these people is carving butcher bird wings next to their bodies like butcher bird wings.
48:45 --> 48:46 [UNKNOWN]: What does that mean?
48:46 --> 48:49 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
48:49 --> 48:53 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was just like maybe something to throw people off.
48:54 --> 49:10 [UNKNOWN]: have you know have them looking in one direction instead of the other way so the person who's actually doing the murdering can get away with it by you know having this out there like this butcher bird and just like a wild goose chase type of thing.
49:11 --> 49:18 [UNKNOWN]: I mean it's it feels like a traditional serial killer calling card but um why those words why those words?
49:21 --> 49:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then the other thing that was in the newspaper, you already kind of brought it up because it comes up also with Paladin is There's a headline that says hunt for stolen at a man's team continues.
49:34 --> 49:44 [UNKNOWN]: So first of all, for anyone who doesn't know What's his at a man's team and why is this significant that they're just like just name dropping it like that
49:45 --> 49:48 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you, you mentioned it already the snake of it all.
49:49 --> 49:53 [UNKNOWN]: And so, anyone, Wolverine is...
49:54 --> 49:58 [UNKNOWN]: You know, remade his bones are covered in adamantium.
49:58 --> 50:10 [UNKNOWN]: So whenever that word is brought up, you people and comics and who love Marvel and Superhero stuff, we all think of Wolverine and X-Men and New Int and all of that stuff.
50:10 --> 50:11 [UNKNOWN]: So that's one.
50:12 --> 50:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I think for you and I, especially, it's the call back to Eternals where that plot thread was never really
50:22 --> 50:22 [UNKNOWN]: explored.
50:22 --> 50:30 [UNKNOWN]: It was explored a little bit in the Captain America, Brave New World movie.
50:30 --> 50:36 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they went there, but I was hoping that they would actually talk about it, but they're like, just use it as a setting basically.
50:36 --> 50:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
50:37 --> 50:48 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, Adam Antium and the MCU, there was a celestial that was about to be birthed from the core of the earth.
50:49 --> 50:52 [UNKNOWN]: in the Eternals movie and they stopped from happening.
50:52 --> 50:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
50:53 --> 50:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, killing us all.
50:55 --> 51:10 [UNKNOWN]: But the Eternals, and they stopped it, and what was left was a hand, a giant hand, sticking out of the, I think the South Pacific, and I think in the action, yeah.
51:10 --> 51:35 [UNKNOWN]: don't forget which but um and that the material that you know was left over from the celestial was made out of his adamantium, the armor and that is the hardest substance in the Marvel universe um harder than diamonds and
51:35 --> 51:50 [UNKNOWN]: vibranium, which vision is made out of, vibranium is a different type of metal than vibranium, which is what makes it so interesting, but it is like I said nearly indestructible metal.
51:51 --> 51:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I have the feeling that Adam and him, and this partially is informed by the comics, partially just by, I don't know, what we've seen also in the MCU.
52:00 --> 52:02 [UNKNOWN]: Adam and him is like a stiffer,
52:03 --> 52:10 [UNKNOWN]: metal, whereas vibranium is more supple, it does also vibrate and so on and so on and so on.
52:10 --> 52:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to think about it.
52:14 --> 52:19 [UNKNOWN]: vibranium, you can do much more things with it as an alloy, right?
52:19 --> 52:23 [UNKNOWN]: In the comics, and I think in the MCU as well, it's more
52:33 --> 52:34 [UNKNOWN]: super high rocks.
52:35 --> 52:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this is what it is.
52:38 --> 52:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's really hard.
52:39 --> 52:41 [UNKNOWN]: It's really indestructible.
52:41 --> 52:42 [UNKNOWN]: You can't burn it.
52:42 --> 52:43 [UNKNOWN]: You can't crush it.
52:44 --> 52:45 [UNKNOWN]: It takes a lot to get rid of it.
52:45 --> 52:50 [UNKNOWN]: So you can form it into bullets or, you know, claws.
52:52 --> 52:58 [UNKNOWN]: But also the other most famous thing made out of vibranium in the MCU is Captain America's shield.
52:58 --> 53:00 [UNKNOWN]: So it can be hard, of course.
53:01 --> 53:05 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I guess these bullets would pierce Captain America's shield.
53:06 --> 53:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it's not indestructible, you know, because we saw Thanos, you know, with his sword, we don't even know what Thanos' sword was made of, but Thanos was strong enough to break
53:23 --> 53:36 [UNKNOWN]: So, this, this begs two questions, first, the, the bigger world question we already brought up Wolverine, but does Wolverine exist in this universe?
53:36 --> 53:49 [UNKNOWN]: We did get an Easter egg and she hulk about a man with claws fighting in a bar and that could have been just a fun Easter egg that could, I mean, if Wolverine exists in this universe, he's, if it's anything like the comics, he's been around for a long time.
53:50 --> 53:59 [UNKNOWN]: Um, does does he have adamantium clause or when did he, you know, get that this version of Wolverine get I'm a suit or is it it's not Hugh Jackman.
53:59 --> 54:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm assuming.
54:00 --> 54:02 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I hope not.
54:04 --> 54:07 [UNKNOWN]: We don't actually make him do it till he's 90.
54:09 --> 54:17 [UNKNOWN]: So that's one question that's out there is what does this mean for the Wolverine of it all and the other question for the more immediate question for this story is okay.
54:17 --> 54:18 [UNKNOWN]: So the adamantium
54:19 --> 54:22 [UNKNOWN]: there was hunt for stolen adamantium continues.
54:23 --> 54:25 [UNKNOWN]: Paladin shows up later with adamantium bullets.
54:26 --> 54:30 [UNKNOWN]: Did he steal the adamantium himself or somebody did and sold it?
54:30 --> 54:38 [UNKNOWN]: We find out that the Paladins have links with Madrepoor, which would be a place that black market adamantium would be sold.
54:39 --> 54:42 [UNKNOWN]: So how I think I think the
54:43 --> 54:51 [UNKNOWN]: The person who hired him potentially supplies him with what he needs to bring down vision, to bring down white vision.
54:51 --> 55:08 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if Haladin himself was the one to get his hands on Adamantium or on forge the bullets, but I think it was more likely that it was given to him as a means
55:13 --> 55:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
55:15 --> 55:17 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take another quick break when we come back.
55:17 --> 55:24 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to we'll talk about Paladin, but first we're going to get to know the other AI inside.
55:24 --> 55:25 [UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
55:44 --> 55:56 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so inside visions, mind space, we have a collection of a bunch of stark AI, and we don't know, and this is another question again for that.
55:56 --> 55:59 [UNKNOWN]: What happened in the four and a half years in between we don't know.
55:59 --> 56:08 [UNKNOWN]: Like, did vision rescue these AI from the interwebs when they were going to be wiped out in their various stories?
56:09 --> 56:12 [UNKNOWN]: Or, yeah, and I mean, that must have been what happened.
56:13 --> 56:18 [UNKNOWN]: Did you recover them from a backup when Thanos squashed him?
56:19 --> 56:21 [UNKNOWN]: the ones that were there before that, you know, I don't know.
56:21 --> 56:25 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just wondering if we will get the story of how they all got in his head.
56:25 --> 56:39 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, to some degree, they all contributed to who he is because, you know, Stark used his it's Stark codes, Stark's code that's the basis of both altar on visions father and vision himself.
56:40 --> 56:48 [UNKNOWN]: What I want to know is that are there more than just these stark AIs in the mindscape?
56:49 --> 56:50 [UNKNOWN]: In the mindscape, particularly.
56:51 --> 56:52 [UNKNOWN]: Is anything else as advanced?
56:52 --> 57:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, can anything, can other AIs, if they exist, can they infiltrate or can they inhabit
57:10 --> 57:12 [UNKNOWN]: So I think moment.
57:12 --> 57:13 [UNKNOWN]: No, but yeah, in the future.
57:14 --> 57:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in the future.
57:15 --> 57:18 [UNKNOWN]: Who else would create a. I don't know.
57:18 --> 57:18 [UNKNOWN]: Bands to.
57:18 --> 57:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
57:19 --> 57:20 [UNKNOWN]: That's the question.
57:20 --> 57:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
57:23 --> 57:31 [UNKNOWN]: So the AI that we have is we have Jarvis, which stands for just a very, really, very intelligent system.
57:32 --> 57:46 [UNKNOWN]: And this is, yeah, Vision refers to him as Big Brother, because he's Tony's, like, basically his original advanced AI named after his father's Butler, who, and played by James
57:49 --> 57:50 [UNKNOWN]: and endgame.
57:51 --> 57:57 [UNKNOWN]: And this Jarvis is the biggest component of MCU vision, psyche, and personality.
57:57 --> 58:01 [UNKNOWN]: He was the biggest piece that they used to create that.
58:01 --> 58:04 [UNKNOWN]: So that's why Paul Betney, originally voiced Jarvis.
58:05 --> 58:09 [UNKNOWN]: But now of course they have him played by the human who plays him in other things.
58:10 --> 58:13 [UNKNOWN]: And he's a security AI housekeeping and encryption.
58:13 --> 58:13 [UNKNOWN]: So
58:15 --> 58:23 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, well, obviously talk about what happens to him, but he was maybe the one I was most excited to see.
58:24 --> 58:31 [UNKNOWN]: It was so nice to see the two of them how they played off in each other, like that, that relationship that they were having.
58:32 --> 58:43 [UNKNOWN]: At one moment it was brother and siblings and at other moments it was almost like employee and employer.
58:43 --> 58:52 [UNKNOWN]: So it was an interesting dynamic that they were playing with between the both of them and it sucks that he's dead.
58:55 --> 58:55 [UNKNOWN]: Jarvis is dead.
58:56 --> 58:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
58:58 --> 58:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
58:58 --> 59:02 [UNKNOWN]: He's going to know how to punch us in the gut twice.
59:02 --> 59:04 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh, I couldn't believe it.
59:05 --> 59:06 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
59:06 --> 59:06 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, not Jarvis.
59:07 --> 59:08 [UNKNOWN]: Come on.
59:08 --> 59:09 [UNKNOWN]: On control.
59:09 --> 59:10 [UNKNOWN]: All delete Jarvis.
59:10 --> 59:11 [UNKNOWN]: No.
59:11 --> 59:11 [UNKNOWN]: There you go.
59:11 --> 59:12 [UNKNOWN]: How?
59:12 --> 59:13 [UNKNOWN]: Very dairy.
59:14 --> 59:15 [UNKNOWN]: Take dummy in you out.
59:16 --> 59:35 [UNKNOWN]: so okay so dummy and you which literally just stands for dummy and you because that's what Tony Stark called them and if anyone who remembers from the Iron Man movies there were the basically they're just hydraulic arms but with AI inside and the AI it's like
59:36 --> 59:44 [UNKNOWN]: Like I said, Jarvis is the OG, but these are actually the O-O-G created by 16-year-old Tony Stark.
59:45 --> 59:53 [UNKNOWN]: And in the Iron Man movies, they, Tony would basically bully them, or dummy, especially you, was just mostly in the background.
59:54 --> 01:00:02 [UNKNOWN]: But you'd call him dummy and take out, like, his frustrations yelling at this hydraulic arm, but then at the end,
01:00:02 --> 01:00:06 [UNKNOWN]: dummy saved him by getting him the part that he needed.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:07 [UNKNOWN]: Lead it.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:08 [UNKNOWN]: When Tony was dying.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: So, uh, so here in the show, uh, their mute and dummy, uh, does general maintenance, limbs, servo control and fire suppression, which is something we see him do and Iron Man 1 keeps putting out fire centony when he's, play, uh, experimenting with the suits.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:33 [UNKNOWN]: And you does general maintenance also, de-fragging and video analysis.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:37 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you think about dummy and you so far?
01:00:37 --> 01:00:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would serve them up rather than Travis.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:49 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think that's the one or two that, no, I mean, but I don't want it to take over the body.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50 [UNKNOWN]: He needs these basic functions.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:55 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's dummy and you, can I think it's funny, you need it?
01:00:56 --> 01:01:00 [UNKNOWN]: He wanted to, so, so Ultron's a misogynist, huh?
01:01:01 --> 01:01:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:03 [UNKNOWN]: Not even white vision wants to kill the women.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:05 [UNKNOWN]: No, but Ultron does.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:09 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I can see he has his reasons for each of them.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:22 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, so Friday female replacements, intelligent, the digital assistant youth, and basic, yeah, because Tony wanted to call her my girlfriend, I basically.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:29 [UNKNOWN]: And Friday replaced Jarvis, because Jarvis went into vision.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:34 [UNKNOWN]: And this was Tony Stark's, like, main assistant AI,
01:01:35 --> 01:01:39 [UNKNOWN]: for most of the, for the rest of the movies basically until the time of his death.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:51 [UNKNOWN]: So she was there when Tony died and her responsibilities inside this mine space, our socialization humor and tactical ops.
01:01:52 --> 01:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: So I liked the bits about her reviewing visions day, about he's like, well, why did that guy ask, we're like, you were smiling for much of his wife?
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10 [UNKNOWN]: And then Edith is even dead.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:10 [UNKNOWN]: I'm the hero.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:23 [UNKNOWN]: And this is the AI that was, we didn't meet until after Tony's death, but Tony gifted this AI to Spider-Man in front of him home.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which was, is the Mysterio movie for anyone who doesn't speak Spider-Man.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:36 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and we talked about this more in the preview episode, but Emily Hemsure from Shits Creek plays this character.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:50 [UNKNOWN]: She's also in the 12 Monkeys TV show from the same showrunner, but Edith is the recreational AI, game theory, weapons, and yeah, she's been studying human, thrill-seeking, and skydives into the house.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:53 [UNKNOWN]: And I love this exchange here, and she says,
01:02:55 --> 01:03:01 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I was in the middle of a thousand simultaneous tutorials on high-speed pursuits for your escape.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:02 [UNKNOWN]: Quite an out-of-view.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:03 [UNKNOWN]: You can't trust it.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:04 [UNKNOWN]: Nobody can.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:09 [UNKNOWN]: Manual transmission is the ultimate touring test.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:11 [UNKNOWN]: I can drive stuff.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:18 [UNKNOWN]: I know a lot of people who would be up in arms of our back, but it's a black trimmy of it all, blasphemy.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:36 [UNKNOWN]: There was a moment like, so my sister is seven years younger than me and I learned to drive stick and she did not, so there was like this moment where people just stopped learning to drive stick and when I was in college, I taught several of my friends how to drive stick because they just didn't really cool.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: But I just, yeah, it's just funny, it just fell out of style.
01:03:51 --> 01:04:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but why I say that he wanted to get rid of Friday and eat it was to take over what they have control of, tactical ops, weapons, game theory,
01:04:20 --> 01:04:24 [UNKNOWN]: You know, control them a hundred percent and I think he wants control.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:25 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:26 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: Because that's the question is, when Jarvis died, that code was deleted.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:34 [UNKNOWN]: So that means there's security gaps.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:38 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought maybe Ultron wanted security gaps to escape or something.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:44 [UNKNOWN]: But you say, he, Ultron says, I already can do weapons and stuff.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:46 [UNKNOWN]: I don't need that.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's duplicate code for me.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [UNKNOWN]: I want access to these things, right?
01:04:52 --> 01:04:58 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas, you know, I think Jarvis being security would still be useful.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:01 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:03 [UNKNOWN]: He said he's a good guy too.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:04 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I think.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to ask, so of all the AI
01:05:17 --> 01:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: Who, who's definitely, who's top of the invite list, who's definitely not invited and who are you asking to plan the party?
01:05:27 --> 01:05:28 [UNKNOWN]: Edith is planning the party.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:32 [UNKNOWN]: Friday is the first invite.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: Neither all trying nor white vision.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: Don't mean if you can come, yes, yes.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:52 [UNKNOWN]: wife vision, you're not invited to the cook-out bro.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:52 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:53 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man.
01:05:54 --> 01:05:55 [UNKNOWN]: It's because he's white.
01:05:55 --> 01:06:01 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm gonna swap eat it in Friday.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna say eating first invite.
01:06:05 --> 01:06:06 [UNKNOWN]: She'll be a lot of fun.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:08 [UNKNOWN]: But Friday feels like she has good planning skills.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:06:11 --> 01:06:12 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe I went jar, no.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I went Jarvis to plan the party.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:15 [UNKNOWN]: He'll make it too uptight.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:16 [UNKNOWN]: But he can come.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:17 [UNKNOWN]: He can come.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, JavaScript is definitely invited, but yeah.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:21 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron?
01:06:22 --> 01:06:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, like, part of me.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:24 [UNKNOWN]: You're inviting Ultron.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:34 [UNKNOWN]: Part of me wasn't there for the entertainment, but also, like, you know, that's the sort of guest you have to make sure he's not messing up your own.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:36 [UNKNOWN]: Murdering people, maybe or the murdering.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:41 [UNKNOWN]: and do well so I might know.
01:06:42 --> 01:06:44 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I know, yeah.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:48 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and who am I definitely not inviting?
01:06:49 --> 01:06:49 [UNKNOWN]: Why vision?
01:06:49 --> 01:06:50 [UNKNOWN]: You don't even have a wife.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:52 [UNKNOWN]: What kind of doctor?
01:06:52 --> 01:06:52 [UNKNOWN]: I'm inviting.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:53 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:54 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:55 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:55 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:06:56 --> 01:06:57 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:06:57 --> 01:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:06:58 --> 01:06:59 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:00 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:01 [UNKNOWN]: You know you're not inviting.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:03 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:03 [UNKNOWN]: You're not inviting.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:05 [UNKNOWN]: He can come.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:05 [UNKNOWN]: He can come.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:09 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:17 [UNKNOWN]: Is it mean if I say, like, it's okay if Jarvis doesn't cause he seems like he'd be bored.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:19 [UNKNOWN]: No, we could have some fun conversations.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:21 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe not fun.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:23 [UNKNOWN]: We could have some interesting conversations.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, we have interesting conversations with Jarvis.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:29 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:31 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, Ultron, sorry, you're out.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:35 [UNKNOWN]: Why vision would be in the corner, like, glaring.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:39 [UNKNOWN]: moping.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:40 [UNKNOWN]: moping.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:44 [UNKNOWN]: What's that around?
01:07:44 --> 01:07:46 [UNKNOWN]: Don't don't turn his depression into evil.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's just glaring at you in the corner.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:53 [UNKNOWN]: I do.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:58 [UNKNOWN]: I notice that I am most entranced by vision and all trans conversations.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:02 [UNKNOWN]: This is obviously a favorite exchange from the beginning of the second episode.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:07 [UNKNOWN]: I kept you here out of some misguided sentimental notion that you're somehow
01:08:08 --> 01:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: what?
01:08:09 --> 01:08:10 [UNKNOWN]: Dan?
01:08:11 --> 01:08:12 [UNKNOWN]: Papa?
01:08:12 --> 01:08:13 [UNKNOWN]: People?
01:08:13 --> 01:08:14 [UNKNOWN]: People?
01:08:14 --> 01:08:15 [UNKNOWN]: People?
01:08:18 --> 01:08:19 [UNKNOWN]: People?
01:08:19 --> 01:08:22 [UNKNOWN]: This function is listed as asshole.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: And that is.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:44 [UNKNOWN]: Apparently, so, um, I watched a great new rock stars interview with the showrunner Terry Matales, and uh, he was talking saying that James Spader came up with the conception of that whole main like beard apparently, whose spader uses word main.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: And also the top hat, and basically he's saying he's like, I'm a prisoner first of all, so beard.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: But also he says, I'm not a nine foot robot, so he needed something that made him look godly.
01:08:58 --> 01:08:59 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:09:01 --> 01:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:03 [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
01:09:04 --> 01:09:08 [UNKNOWN]: James Spader, I think, yeah, is stealing the show.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:10 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I expected it a lot.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I expected it, but it's happening.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:22 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, Paul Bettany is doing a wonderful job in the two of them together, playing off of each other, but he gets to be a fun character, a fun ambiguous, morally ambiguous character.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:27 [UNKNOWN]: But by the way, in that Terry Matales interview, side note,
01:09:28 --> 01:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: He said that they were filming this show on the same lot at the same time as Doom's day was filming.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:40 [UNKNOWN]: Which is it?
01:09:40 --> 01:09:44 [UNKNOWN]: Tell me, my vision is about to be recruited from town here.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:45 [UNKNOWN]: To whom?
01:09:46 --> 01:09:47 [UNKNOWN]: Who's recruiting him?
01:09:47 --> 01:09:49 [UNKNOWN]: What if they did a master's of evil?
01:09:49 --> 01:09:51 [UNKNOWN]: The person that wants to do the murder murder.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:58 [UNKNOWN]: anyone who wants murder murder situations is recruiting white vision and we know who that is.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:04 [UNKNOWN]: The why go to all that effort to recruit white vision when you can just pay pallidin to murder murder.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:11 [UNKNOWN]: Because white vision is form a powerful then then a pallidin.
01:10:12 --> 01:10:15 [UNKNOWN]: The more said how it is, it's collecting.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:18 [UNKNOWN]: The good doctor is collecting powerful beings.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:20 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I believe.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:25 [UNKNOWN]: Why, so we know Doom is not the client, that it's been confirmed.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:27 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's not Doom's not the client, no, no.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:31 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm saying, why if why vision is recruited by Dr. Doom?
01:10:31 --> 01:10:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, no, I can see that happening.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:37 [UNKNOWN]: But like, who's, well, we don't even know it.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:38 [UNKNOWN]: Because we don't know who's dead.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:40 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly, I don't know.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or right, or right.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we know they don't want that.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:46 [UNKNOWN]: They don't want vision dead.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, but I think the who and the why can't leave
01:10:51 --> 01:10:53 [UNKNOWN]: to do them, say, of it all.
01:10:57 --> 01:10:59 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, I could, it could connect through.
01:10:59 --> 01:11:02 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not gonna hold my breath for that, but we'll say, we'll say.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:03 [UNKNOWN]: These are just musings.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:06 [UNKNOWN]: With their just musings, musings of a muser.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:08 [UNKNOWN]: Let's learn a lot.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, we learned the reason Ultron is still around is vision uploaded him during their final confrontation in Sikovia before destroying Ultron's body, kind of figured that anyway.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:28 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron calls the mind space the prison you've made for us both.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:37 [UNKNOWN]: And we have vision, you know, insisting on these human avatars and human constructs, but when when Ultron looks in the mirror, he sees his robot self.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:39 [UNKNOWN]: So vision's not letting him be himself.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:51 [UNKNOWN]: So how does what vision is doing with Ultron and the other AI compare to what Wanda did with the town of Westview, where she forced them to play dress up and act out her place?
01:11:52 --> 01:11:53 [UNKNOWN]: He's not much different at all.
01:11:57 --> 01:12:03 [UNKNOWN]: except that they know that they're in, uh, they know where they are, yeah, they know who they are, mm-hmm.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:06 [UNKNOWN]: They know who they are, yeah.
01:12:07 --> 01:12:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think so.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:23 [UNKNOWN]: But it's interesting that he sounds vision like you're, you're just as much as the prison as I am because he is, you know, yes, he's built this, this wall around himself and not experiencing the world.
01:12:25 --> 01:12:37 [UNKNOWN]: and retreating into this space in his own head, and that doesn't help him to live in the space outside of his head.
01:12:41 --> 01:12:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:44 [UNKNOWN]: And Vision, it's interesting.
01:12:44 --> 01:13:00 [UNKNOWN]: He calls Ultron a sociopath, like versus the other AI, who he says each helped fight to save humanity, like Vision himself chose to do after Ultron created him, and then Tony and Bruce finished programming him.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:07 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, on the one hand, he has a point that Ultron tried to kill humanity and the others tried to save it.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:07 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
01:13:09 --> 01:13:16 [UNKNOWN]: But does Ultron have a point when he turns it around and he kind of flippantly accuses vision of enslaving the other AI?
01:13:17 --> 01:13:18 [UNKNOWN]: He uses that word exactly.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:22 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about that characterization of
01:13:31 --> 01:13:43 [UNKNOWN]: not I'm not I'm generally not buying what I'll try to sell to vision because I think it's all he has ulterior motives for saying everything that he's saying and so yeah I don't buy any of that
01:13:44 --> 01:13:49 [UNKNOWN]: But I also do wonder if, like, when he calls him a sociopath, I don't think Ultron's a sociopath for the record.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that makes him a good person.
01:13:51 --> 01:13:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's not like sociopath or good.
01:13:53 --> 01:13:58 [UNKNOWN]: There's a spectrum of being, I mean, it's not that also sociopaths are evil either.
01:13:58 --> 01:14:01 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, I don't think that Ultron is a sociopath.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:06 [UNKNOWN]: I think that vision is showing self-hatred of the machine parts of himself when he says that.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:14:09 --> 01:14:15 [UNKNOWN]: We see like Ultron, he's into painting now, so it's like, okay, commentary and AI art, okay.
01:14:16 --> 01:14:28 [UNKNOWN]: But it does seem like he understands humanity more than vision, despite not wanting to be part of them, but he studies them and seems to, yeah, rock them better.
01:14:29 --> 01:14:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think white vision is,
01:14:32 --> 01:14:43 [UNKNOWN]: very far removed from humanity, because he stuck replaying everything that happened in West West which kind of is human to get stuck in a trauma like that?
01:14:45 --> 01:14:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he's stuck in the trauma in a way that is, you know, not even examining the trauma.
01:14:54 --> 01:14:55 [UNKNOWN]: He's just watching it.
01:14:56 --> 01:15:09 [UNKNOWN]: You know, like we see him just why replaying these vitties, you know, episodes, these movies and his, you know, movie theater about what happened with Wanda, but he's not really
01:15:11 --> 01:15:17 [UNKNOWN]: There's no exploration about what it means for him, right?
01:15:18 --> 01:15:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's just, let me see this on the screen.
01:15:21 --> 01:15:26 [UNKNOWN]: And when I see something that makes me feel, I yell and shut it off, you know?
01:15:26 --> 01:15:27 [UNKNOWN]: You know?
01:15:28 --> 01:15:32 [UNKNOWN]: So there's no real exploration of what it all means.
01:15:33 --> 01:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: And that's what, you know, you want, you think of humanity as exploration of different things, right?
01:15:42 --> 01:15:52 [UNKNOWN]: That's part of what makes us human, I think, ability to seek knowledge about outside things and things within.
01:15:53 --> 01:15:54 [UNKNOWN]: He's not doing that.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:58 [UNKNOWN]: He's not looking toward the outside and he's not looking within.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:01 [UNKNOWN]: So he built a person for himself.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: And from Ultron side, I mean, I, okay, so I just said that Ultron, I don't think he's associate path, although I'm not 100% buying that because he does in some regards like the way of studying humanity without.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:30 [UNKNOWN]: of studying a culture, let's say, without wanting to be part of it and learning about it through the arts and being especially interested in the arts side.
01:16:31 --> 01:16:35 [UNKNOWN]: Star Wars fans out there does this remind anyone else of Thrawn?
01:16:36 --> 01:16:37 [UNKNOWN]: Who is?
01:16:37 --> 01:16:38 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:39 [UNKNOWN]: That's the blue guy.
01:16:39 --> 01:16:40 [UNKNOWN]: That's the blue guy.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:42 [UNKNOWN]: He's definitely so zea bad.
01:16:42 --> 01:16:47 [UNKNOWN]: So blue guy, I see a soka slash the books about him and some animated series.
01:16:47 --> 01:16:48 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway.
01:16:50 --> 01:16:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he reminds me of Theron in that regard.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:55 [UNKNOWN]: But he also says this.
01:16:56 --> 01:17:02 [UNKNOWN]: Tell me, Ultraman, if I granted you the freedom to live amongst them, what would you do?
01:17:03 --> 01:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: I would go to the Louvre, the Prado, the Matt and the modern taking their beauty.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:18 [UNKNOWN]: All right, hijacked their missile systems and burned them all the ash hard to say 50, 50, a coin flip.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's a data potato.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's so good though.
01:17:24 --> 01:17:29 [UNKNOWN]: That's so good because that's the thing you don't know, right?
01:17:29 --> 01:17:33 [UNKNOWN]: You don't know, and he's he's saying, I don't know what I would do.
01:17:35 --> 01:17:37 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm not going to give you certainty.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: because what is certainty, you know?
01:17:43 --> 01:17:45 [UNKNOWN]: But hope persevering, you know, sorry.
01:17:45 --> 01:17:45 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:17:47 --> 01:17:50 [UNKNOWN]: But also think he's playing on white vision.
01:17:51 --> 01:18:02 [UNKNOWN]: You know, if everything that he says is like he's putting these little seeds in his mind, planting these little things that he hopes will grow.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's 50, 50.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what I would do.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:10 [UNKNOWN]: Go to the Lou, kill everybody, who knows?
01:18:11 --> 01:18:13 [UNKNOWN]: Who knows, you know us.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:24 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think, so, why do you think first of all that old vision kept Ultron and why do you think that new and improved the blah blah blah white vision still won't delete him?
01:18:26 --> 01:18:27 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:18:29 --> 01:18:30 [UNKNOWN]: Tony Stark.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:33 [UNKNOWN]: Same way.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:34 [UNKNOWN]: Tony Stark had
01:18:38 --> 01:19:03 [UNKNOWN]: a real problem letting go, like the Civil War, his, you know, rift with Westeav, Tony Stark was always trying to live up and be his father, you know, and I think vision in that
01:19:07 --> 01:19:09 [UNKNOWN]: still look as Ultron as their father.
01:19:10 --> 01:19:19 [UNKNOWN]: And there's a part of Tony Stark encoded in them that would find it very difficult to delete their father.
01:19:20 --> 01:19:24 [UNKNOWN]: Because they are trying to live up to what their father was.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:49 [UNKNOWN]: And they're not trying to destroy humanity, but I still think there's a connection that they're trying to have, that you can see throughout all the MCU movies were Tony that Tony is always recalling and thinking of his father and where he places, especially when he's talking to Steve about, because Steve knew his father.
01:19:51 --> 01:19:57 [UNKNOWN]: So you see those things, I think, with white vision and vision and altron.
01:19:58 --> 01:19:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:59 --> 01:20:00 [UNKNOWN]: That put that little piece of Tony.
01:20:01 --> 01:20:03 [UNKNOWN]: Tony is as much vision's father as altron is.
01:20:04 --> 01:20:05 [UNKNOWN]: That too?
01:20:06 --> 01:20:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, too.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think I do wonder, you know, why he kept Ultron in the first place.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:20 [UNKNOWN]: I think that especially we saw the white vision is brutal, more brutal than ever.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: But old vision just wouldn't have wanted to kill him.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:27 [UNKNOWN]: And I think there's also just a curiosity about him.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I also, I wonder, OK.
01:20:29 --> 01:20:32 [UNKNOWN]: So we see, I'm sorry, Ultron.
01:20:33 --> 01:20:38 [UNKNOWN]: using pigeons to access the dark web, which we learn in the real world, it's an email.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you this, delusional mind's base, it's just called an email.
01:20:44 --> 01:20:48 [UNKNOWN]: And okay, so this is how he is, well, we'll get to what he's up to there.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:56 [UNKNOWN]: But we, so we know he's out accessing the outside world and giving up the jig of where vision is just a side note.
01:20:56 --> 01:20:59 [UNKNOWN]: If anyone has any thoughts about the fact that he used
01:21:02 --> 01:21:03 [UNKNOWN]: He labeled himself ultra on five.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think that just means like the fifth generation ultra on that makes sense.
01:21:07 --> 01:21:10 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, cause, you know, he died in a few different forms.
01:21:11 --> 01:21:13 [UNKNOWN]: Um, the data port M510.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:17 [UNKNOWN]: If that means anything to any computer people or like I tried looking up.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:21 [UNKNOWN]: If, if that might mean anything, I can't find anything.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: So I have to wonder if it's an in universe reference of some kind.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:26 [UNKNOWN]: And.
01:21:27 --> 01:21:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't want to say my fist though, but he's part of the start now, forgets that.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:38 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so the interesting thing though, is that Vision has put him
01:21:41 --> 01:21:50 [UNKNOWN]: In this room where he's locked in the attic, so to speak, but he's given a balcony with free access to the Dattaport sky.
01:21:50 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: And even the entrance to that balcony is shaped like vision's Dattaport.
01:21:56 --> 01:22:05 [UNKNOWN]: So it's almost like vision kind of almost wants him to do something, or like he's setting that whole situation up for failure.
01:22:10 --> 01:22:11 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:22:11 --> 01:22:12 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:22:12 --> 01:22:13 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good idea.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:15 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think about it in that way.
01:22:15 --> 01:22:16 [UNKNOWN]: I have to give it some more thought.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:21 [UNKNOWN]: I love the city scape outside is landmarks from all around the world.
01:22:21 --> 01:22:25 [UNKNOWN]: There's like these famous buildings skyscrapers there.
01:22:25 --> 01:22:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then eventually when Ultron's caught being bad vision punishes him by taking away everything that the monitors and it's like bored Ultron is probably the most dangerous version of Ultron.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think you've thought this through.
01:22:39 --> 01:22:42 [UNKNOWN]: You might meet when I consult with the other A on this one.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:45 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:46 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:22:47 --> 01:22:52 [UNKNOWN]: Any more thoughts about Ultron at this point before we get into our pallet and talk?
01:22:53 --> 01:22:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, this...
01:22:56 --> 01:22:56 [UNKNOWN]: They...
01:22:57 --> 01:23:05 [UNKNOWN]: I think they have a good job of showing us that this Ultron that we are meeting here is up to something.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:14 [UNKNOWN]: It is not just dispensing, you know, quips and knowledge just to dispense quips and knowledge.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:21 [UNKNOWN]: Android is up to something.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:24 [UNKNOWN]: This code is trying to do bad things.
01:23:24 --> 01:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's fair.
01:23:28 --> 01:23:28 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:23:28 --> 01:23:35 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll get more into that after quick break when we talk about some Paladin asking and Tommy name taking.
01:23:35 --> 01:23:36 [UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
01:23:55 --> 01:24:05 [UNKNOWN]: So say which you will about Paladin, but it's kind of like Hanukkah being introduced to him by a bullet through another character's gut.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:31 [UNKNOWN]: it's a we see here also this is where vision goes in a murder mode ultron earlier when he was complaining about being locked up he said the old you he was big on mercy and now here Jarvis says sir the old you would have responded with measure and vision says well let's try something new murder murder murder murder yeah i've got full murder about on us that's amazing
01:24:31 --> 01:24:41 [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, is that his, his inner Ultron, because Ultron says, I especially like the part where you are strangling the guy, I'm so proud of you, my boy.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:42 [UNKNOWN]: Don't call me that.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:46 [UNKNOWN]: So proud of you, my boy.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's still a little bit.
01:24:49 --> 01:24:50 [UNKNOWN]: Chip off the old block.
01:24:51 --> 01:24:54 [UNKNOWN]: The apple doesn't fall from the tree of the bean.
01:24:57 --> 01:24:59 [UNKNOWN]: But what, what do you think about Paladin?
01:24:59 --> 01:25:01 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think his moral code is?
01:25:02 --> 01:25:16 [UNKNOWN]: Well, whoever pays me, he told that thing that's that he's he can't remember his team for killing Fiona because he says, yeah, no no innocents, no bison.
01:25:16 --> 01:25:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he didn't want to kill any innocent bisoners.
01:25:19 --> 01:25:27 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I think he, you know, he's down to do a job for whatever the amount is.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:28 [UNKNOWN]: And that's it.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:37 [UNKNOWN]: But he does have a line that he won't cross, that he doesn't want to cross, but if it's crossed, then you know, he'll deal with it.
01:25:37 --> 01:25:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm killing more people.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, basically.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:45 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know the thing, did you ever watch the Walking Dead?
01:25:46 --> 01:25:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:25:47 --> 01:25:49 [UNKNOWN]: Didn't he give you knee-in vibes?
01:25:50 --> 01:25:54 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, he looks a bit like what's his face.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:56 [UNKNOWN]: Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
01:25:57 --> 01:26:03 [UNKNOWN]: But they were just the way he moved the way he spoke, gave me a lot of need and jeopardy being Morgan.
01:26:04 --> 01:26:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:26:05 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know if that's purposefully done or if they chose to play it this way or if this is just the natural way this actor, you know, projects.
01:26:19 --> 01:26:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm fascinated to find out if that was a choice.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:32 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of there is mixed reviews of Todd Stashwick in this role on discord?
01:26:32 --> 01:26:33 [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, thank you for the help me his name.
01:26:35 --> 01:26:37 [UNKNOWN]: I kept saying the actor.
01:26:37 --> 01:26:37 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
01:26:38 --> 01:26:40 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of Todd Stashwick in the role?
01:26:41 --> 01:26:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's the thing that I thought I was like this is very, you know, vegan coded.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:53 [UNKNOWN]: So again, I just want to know if this was, you know, on purpose or if it's just natural.
01:26:55 --> 01:27:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's, I think he's got a great deep voice, so I think that's great for the role, but I think he's an interesting character, he's an, you know, in our sociopathic scale, he could be rather high on it, because he has his moral code that he lives by, but he's also very bloodsy, like he walks in after most of his team's been killed.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:21 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, great work, everyone, your work will live on, but most of you will not.
01:27:22 --> 01:27:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's his team though, I think this is just people he hired knowing that potentially they were going to die like I think the handler may be his team Yeah, he's extras on his you know his He's red shirt, you know what I mean?
01:27:39 --> 01:27:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay So do you have thoughts?
01:27:43 --> 01:27:49 [UNKNOWN]: We hear the voice of who hired him later, but clearly using a voice of stored or Javanet thoughts on who it is who hired him?
01:27:53 --> 01:28:14 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't know, I'm just thinking, you know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don
01:28:16 --> 01:28:42 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I mean, I have some thoughts to like, okay, we'll come back to the sword of it all, but I think that the sword part might be a misdirect, and I just note, and I won't say who it is, but we talked about another major character we're expecting this season in our preview app, because we know that character is in the trailers, so I wonder if it could just be that character, but then so many questions about this, how this important character, all right?
01:28:43 --> 01:28:48 [UNKNOWN]: And how those important comics character came to exist in the MCU at all.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:52 [UNKNOWN]: If it's anything like the comics that might explain why, but yeah.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:55 [UNKNOWN]: They would have to give a backstory on it.
01:28:56 --> 01:28:57 [UNKNOWN]: They have to explain it.
01:28:57 --> 01:28:59 [UNKNOWN]: They can't just can't drop.
01:29:00 --> 01:29:01 [UNKNOWN]: I knew character.
01:29:01 --> 01:29:02 [UNKNOWN]: You're like that.
01:29:02 --> 01:29:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:04 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:29:05 --> 01:29:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I'm sure we'll get the story regardless, but...
01:29:08 --> 01:29:15 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, we know Ultron tipped the pallet and off on visions location, but it's not the one who hired him.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:19 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think he tipped off?
01:29:20 --> 01:29:24 [UNKNOWN]: He says he just found a bounty on the dark web and then said, oh, I know where he is.
01:29:27 --> 01:29:31 [UNKNOWN]: Why would he do that when he would go down with a ship, a vision or killed?
01:29:31 --> 01:29:34 [UNKNOWN]: He says it's you need a direction in purpose.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:38 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think it really was to spur vision to action or is that bullshit?
01:29:39 --> 01:29:45 [UNKNOWN]: Not think it was BS, I think he wanted to get one of the AIs or more than one of the AIs to get shut down.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:50 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so he's intentionally trying to get him.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, to get all trying to into a state.
01:29:54 --> 01:29:59 [UNKNOWN]: He's, excuse me, to get wife vision into a state where he can take over functions.
01:30:01 --> 01:30:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, no, that's, that's it.
01:30:05 --> 01:30:08 [UNKNOWN]: Not to continue to go down this alter on side path, but
01:30:16 --> 01:30:38 [UNKNOWN]: The Tommy videos arrived later, when Paladin sends the ransom videos basically, Vision runs up to the monitors in Ultron's room to watch them, which I found interesting because he could manifest a television anywhere, but it's like he wanted his therapist dad there to watch it with.
01:30:39 --> 01:30:41 [UNKNOWN]: And then we get this
01:30:43 --> 01:31:10 [UNKNOWN]: call back to the famous ship of the seas conversation from one division when one when that version of vision and white vision talked about like if all the parts in the ship are replaced are you the same and all trones like now that's bullshit because let's talk about the seas the man the king who who sailed to kill the minitar and save the children and by the way I think it is a hate crime the way Brits pronounced minor
01:31:12 --> 01:31:13 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's not a long eye.
01:31:15 --> 01:31:17 [UNKNOWN]: Although it's a Dutch's minotauris.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:22 [UNKNOWN]: I've always said minotaur, minotaur.
01:31:22 --> 01:31:24 [UNKNOWN]: Minotaur, yeah, that's a good one.
01:31:24 --> 01:31:25 [UNKNOWN]: Have them in one at a time.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:27 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's British.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:29 [UNKNOWN]: They say things weird.
01:31:29 --> 01:31:32 [UNKNOWN]: You know, they don't pronounce the T, the H and Anthony.
01:31:33 --> 01:31:35 [UNKNOWN]: I've never paid attention to that, wow.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:36 [UNKNOWN]: It came up inside, though.
01:31:37 --> 01:31:39 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I can never paid attention to that.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how would you compare Ultron with this ship of the easiest conversation and like, you have to go save the children to senestro talking to Hal in lanterns about, you know, guiding and advising him.
01:32:00 --> 01:32:06 [UNKNOWN]: And much the same way, because they're both doing these things for their own ulterior motives.
01:32:07 --> 01:32:07 [UNKNOWN]: So.
01:32:08 --> 01:32:25 [UNKNOWN]: You know, this altron and white vision relationship is not as how Jordan's and semesterals relationship did not start out as terrible as it is shown in lantern.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:32 [UNKNOWN]: But I think white vision from the beginning fully knows what altron is, right?
01:32:32 --> 01:32:33 [UNKNOWN]: So there are
01:32:35 --> 01:32:43 [UNKNOWN]: things that why vision will hear and will react to that when how first meets an astral, he wouldn't.
01:32:44 --> 01:32:44 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
01:32:45 --> 01:32:47 [UNKNOWN]: But these are still two
01:32:53 --> 01:32:57 [UNKNOWN]: You know, father figures to both of these characters.
01:32:58 --> 01:33:09 [UNKNOWN]: And we've been talking about, you know, the Tony stock I read all and you mentioned that, you know, Tony and Ultron are responsible for vision and ultimately, why vision, you know,
01:33:11 --> 01:33:18 [UNKNOWN]: This is the story that we're getting, the same thread that we were getting in lanterns about family.
01:33:18 --> 01:33:23 [UNKNOWN]: This is another story about family in a superhero context.
01:33:24 --> 01:33:29 [UNKNOWN]: So I do believe that both of those villains, because I will call them villains.
01:33:30 --> 01:33:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's an actual villain, I think Hortron's villain, I think both of these villains are using words and using emotion and using feeling
01:33:41 --> 01:33:43 [UNKNOWN]: who ostensibly care for them.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:58 [UNKNOWN]: Right, care about them as people because how did care for us in Israel and Ultron and Vision share a bond, no matter how we look at that bond, they do share a bond.
01:34:00 --> 01:34:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:34:02 --> 01:34:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, that I'm always inclined to try to see the best of people in characters and shows.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I know.
01:34:13 --> 01:34:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
01:34:14 --> 01:34:18 [UNKNOWN]: And please tell me, you're not saying that Ultron is not a villain.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:34 [UNKNOWN]: I think when we were having, when we were talking about the lanterns season wrap, you asked who is the villain in this show and we couldn't answer that.
01:34:34 --> 01:34:38 [UNKNOWN]: None of us said explicitly like, is it an astro the villain of the show?
01:34:39 --> 01:34:40 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:34:40 --> 01:34:41 [UNKNOWN]: Is he a villain?
01:34:41 --> 01:34:41 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:34:41 --> 01:34:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, to certain extent.
01:34:43 --> 01:34:45 [UNKNOWN]: He's a villain, but is he the villain of that show?
01:34:45 --> 01:34:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, he was not.
01:34:46 --> 01:34:47 [UNKNOWN]: No, no.
01:34:47 --> 01:34:47 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
01:34:49 --> 01:34:58 [UNKNOWN]: and I wonder if Ultron will, I mean, Ultron's already done some, well, I don't know if he's actually, because Sinester was also doing some manipulations, fine, the scenes.
01:34:58 --> 01:35:09 [UNKNOWN]: We'll end up the same way with Ultron where he is not the big bad, whoever's chasing vision, and that's not Ultron, I believe that.
01:35:10 --> 01:35:29 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right, so I wonder I I hope and I think that he'll end up in this morally ambiguous place that I find more interesting than just being a you know straight villain I do wonder if Paladin I don't know if we should consider him a straight villain either
01:35:30 --> 01:35:38 [UNKNOWN]: We get, okay, we need Marilyn to get into the show because I'm sure she'll have thoughts on this name, Paladin.
01:35:38 --> 01:35:50 [UNKNOWN]: But the first two things that come to mind for me is this group of nights from Charlomaine's time was kind of fabled group of nights, crusaders in the sense of,
01:35:55 --> 01:36:03 [UNKNOWN]: fighting on behalf of justice, basically like the medieval Jedi kind of, that's how they would see themselves, I believe.
01:36:03 --> 01:36:17 [UNKNOWN]: And then I also think of the Dungeons and Dragons class, which is not a class, I know other people like to play, it's not a class that I'm ever interested in playing, it's a class that basically combines fighting skills and healing skills.
01:36:17 --> 01:36:22 [UNKNOWN]: And the idea of a paladin is to be a warrior of justice in some regard.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:38 [UNKNOWN]: that justice might be misguided, but we hear from, I think it was Friday, who said that he believes that he is on the right and I think that that's true.
01:36:39 --> 01:36:40 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:36:40 --> 01:36:42 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think Paladin is a villain?
01:36:44 --> 01:36:49 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, I don't, I don't have to see.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:55 [UNKNOWN]: I would have to know more of what he's been told about why vision needs to be captured.
01:36:57 --> 01:37:06 [UNKNOWN]: Why, why is he after the white vision, what has even been told, is it just the money?
01:37:07 --> 01:37:20 [UNKNOWN]: Is it something else that is there like a sense of righteousness that he needs to which falls into line with what you're talking about the 12th halidins of Shalameen, you know?
01:37:21 --> 01:37:25 [UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know if he's truly a villain yet.
01:37:27 --> 01:37:29 [UNKNOWN]: is he doing villainous things?
01:37:30 --> 01:37:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he got, you know.
01:37:32 --> 01:37:34 [UNKNOWN]: He murdered more people than anyone.
01:37:35 --> 01:37:35 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:37:36 --> 01:37:40 [UNKNOWN]: So, yes, he is willing to do despicable things to meet his ends.
01:37:41 --> 01:37:46 [UNKNOWN]: So, does that make him villainous in the way that I view all trying as a villain?
01:37:48 --> 01:37:50 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe they are different degrees to it.
01:37:50 --> 01:37:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's a smooth ultrasound, and that makes ultrasound scarier.
01:37:54 --> 01:37:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, hello.
01:37:55 --> 01:37:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
01:37:55 --> 01:38:06 [UNKNOWN]: He's not a smooth ultrasound, but I just do wonder what he's been told by the person who's hired him as to why they're going after one vision.
01:38:09 --> 01:38:16 [UNKNOWN]: And we find out that, you know, and again, listen to Jean explained in our preview episode like the comics version of this.
01:38:16 --> 01:38:28 [UNKNOWN]: This is a different version of a character does exist in the comics, but we learn, in this version, he's the product of generations of bounty hunters using this name, and we see they have a medieval crest.
01:38:28 --> 01:38:31 [UNKNOWN]: So it seems like quite an old order.
01:38:31 --> 01:38:36 [UNKNOWN]: And there's a montage that I paused and looked to see if there's any interesting details,
01:38:36 --> 01:38:45 [UNKNOWN]: It's mostly like, we see files crediting these pal- there's a bunch of different pal-dins we see over time and it's not like a family thing because they look like they come from all over the world.
01:38:46 --> 01:38:46 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:38:46 --> 01:38:46 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:38:47 --> 01:38:50 [UNKNOWN]: And they are involved.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:52 [UNKNOWN]: They show like through history.
01:38:52 --> 01:38:58 [UNKNOWN]: Some real-world assassinations and other events in real or fake history that they were
01:39:05 --> 01:39:13 [UNKNOWN]: in this montage linking them to MadrePoor, which I brought up about the Adam Antium, but I do wonder also about context they might have.
01:39:14 --> 01:39:17 [UNKNOWN]: MadrePoor, I would imagine poor for people who don't know.
01:39:17 --> 01:39:26 [UNKNOWN]: It's our nation, city, and Marvel Comics does, and in the MCU, actually, since we've seen it before.
01:39:26 --> 01:39:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
01:39:30 --> 01:39:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, all sorts of black market things get done sold and happen on that island nation.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:47 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, if you want something illicit and don't want to be caught in something that cannot be found anywhere else you would go ahead to Madrepoor.
01:39:48 --> 01:39:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's like black market Singapore.
01:39:50 --> 01:39:50 [UNKNOWN]: Like that's where it is.
01:39:50 --> 01:39:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's a map and everything and yeah, yeah.
01:39:54 --> 01:39:57 [UNKNOWN]: So, I'm interested just like I hope we go to Madrepoor.
01:39:57 --> 01:39:57 [UNKNOWN]: That would be fun.
01:39:58 --> 01:39:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would be great.
01:40:00 --> 01:40:05 [UNKNOWN]: But we find out that Paladin or I suppose all of them, but we find out specifically about this.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:08 [UNKNOWN]: We hear he's bound by an unbreakable contract.
01:40:10 --> 01:40:13 [UNKNOWN]: But then we find like it seems like it's some breakable and pallid inside.
01:40:14 --> 01:40:24 [UNKNOWN]: But then later, this client's who manages to break into his, network into his communications.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:30 [UNKNOWN]: But then also is later choking him from afar, it seems, while threatening determination of the contract.
01:40:31 --> 01:40:37 [UNKNOWN]: And this is where I'm like, I don't want to say Mifisto, but I'll just say Mifisto is integral
01:40:40 --> 01:40:50 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm not I'm not putting all my eggs in the mafisto basket, but I would not be if he showed up It would feel right in a certain way.
01:40:51 --> 01:40:53 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:40:53 --> 01:40:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not gonna be upset if he doesn't
01:40:56 --> 01:40:58 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm not going to be surprised if he does.
01:40:58 --> 01:40:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:40:59 --> 01:41:01 [UNKNOWN]: And I would enjoy it.
01:41:01 --> 01:41:02 [UNKNOWN]: Roughly.
01:41:02 --> 01:41:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:41:03 --> 01:41:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:41:03 --> 01:41:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:41:04 --> 01:41:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:41:06 --> 01:41:10 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but as you said, it seems like Paladin only has one associate.
01:41:10 --> 01:41:15 [UNKNOWN]: He really cares about, and that's his handler played by Diane Morgan, aka Filimino Cunk.
01:41:15 --> 01:41:19 [UNKNOWN]: And you and I, we said, we've never watched any of these Filimino Cunk things.
01:41:19 --> 01:41:23 [UNKNOWN]: I was asking on Discord and, uh, yeah, I saw that, yeah.
01:41:23 --> 01:41:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Zatuichi was saying, like, start with, I guess because these, I don't even know the format of these things, but these movies, they're different subjects.
01:41:32 --> 01:41:39 [UNKNOWN]: And so the two, he said, start broad with, fill with, with, conk on life or conk on earth.
01:41:40 --> 01:41:43 [UNKNOWN]: because I think there's also, like, cunk on Christmas or things like that.
01:41:43 --> 01:41:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's like there's different topics, but I don't, I don't know what the format is.
01:41:47 --> 01:41:54 [UNKNOWN]: She's not given much to do yet, but they must have, she's a high profile actor, so I'm very curious about this character, where it's going.
01:41:55 --> 01:42:01 [UNKNOWN]: But we find out, yeah, the client wanted to be patched through to Paladin and Palinins like they know the rules.
01:42:01 --> 01:42:10 [UNKNOWN]: So apparently there's some set of rules that's about the some breakable contract, but also says Paladin can't be contacted directly, I suppose.
01:42:11 --> 01:42:13 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that doesn't happen.
01:42:13 --> 01:42:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's broken.
01:42:14 --> 01:42:15 [UNKNOWN]: That's broken.
01:42:15 --> 01:42:19 [UNKNOWN]: But it's interesting that Palinins not obsequious toward the client here.
01:42:21 --> 01:42:23 [UNKNOWN]: Like, doesn't seem afraid at first, at least.
01:42:24 --> 01:42:27 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe doesn't even know who he's dealing with, per se.
01:42:28 --> 01:42:32 [UNKNOWN]: But then also, yeah, not so just that pellet in seems like a bit of a jerk.
01:42:33 --> 01:42:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think one is a bit of a jerk and two, a little bit too sure of themselves, right?
01:42:42 --> 01:42:44 [UNKNOWN]: So when they get hacked, it's like, oh shit.
01:42:45 --> 01:42:46 [UNKNOWN]: I could even hack us.
01:42:47 --> 01:42:50 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm, you know, like, no one can do that to us.
01:42:51 --> 01:42:54 [UNKNOWN]: Or we do that to other people, nobody does that to us.
01:42:54 --> 01:43:01 [UNKNOWN]: So I think there's a level of completeness that they have and assuredness in their own skills that makes them,
01:43:03 --> 01:43:09 [UNKNOWN]: You know, a little bit, like, we can't be touched, but lo and behold, yes, you can.
01:43:12 --> 01:43:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then we find out that, yeah, they're using a voice to storters, so that doesn't help us at all.
01:43:17 --> 01:43:24 [UNKNOWN]: But we do find out from the handler that they're using sword encryption, that's how they hacked in.
01:43:25 --> 01:43:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then later, the handler breaks into sword, firewall, breaks through swords, firewall, so that the pallet in can watch some one division because we all enjoy that.
01:43:38 --> 01:44:02 [UNKNOWN]: And this is what sends Paladin off looking for the boys and finding Tommy and London, but this whole sword thing It feels like it's might be a red herring on the one hand, but on the other hand, sword They are the ones who reconstructed vision to make the ultimate weapon put a bunch of money into him presumably, and they wouldn't want him back So I'm absolutely
01:44:03 --> 01:44:04 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think so it is a red hair?
01:44:05 --> 01:44:06 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
01:44:06 --> 01:44:07 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
01:44:07 --> 01:44:09 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah.
01:44:09 --> 01:44:12 [UNKNOWN]: They would just use whoever is doing it, also hacked in through sort, I think.
01:44:13 --> 01:44:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:44:13 --> 01:44:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:44:14 --> 01:44:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:44:15 --> 01:44:23 [UNKNOWN]: So we're again being the shady government group in one division who recreated vision and was governed of the Hex and blah blah blah.
01:44:24 --> 01:44:25 [UNKNOWN]: Bad government guy, basically.
01:44:26 --> 01:44:28 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they mean well, I suppose.
01:44:29 --> 01:44:31 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think Jimmy will turn up?
01:44:32 --> 01:44:33 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:44:33 --> 01:44:33 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:44:33 --> 01:44:34 [UNKNOWN]: We like Jimmy Will.
01:44:34 --> 01:44:35 [UNKNOWN]: He's a good girl.
01:44:35 --> 01:44:36 [UNKNOWN]: We love Jimmy.
01:44:36 --> 01:44:36 [UNKNOWN]: We love Jimmy.
01:44:37 --> 01:44:37 [UNKNOWN]: But no.
01:44:40 --> 01:44:50 [UNKNOWN]: And then vision he escapes and he goes to hiding in a abandoned shop and the name of the shop made me laugh because it's Roy's ultimate electronics sound and vision experts.
01:44:50 --> 01:44:59 [UNKNOWN]: I think of course he goes to the sound and the vision experts He's like this looks like this my place and it also Fun Easter egg.
01:44:59 --> 01:45:00 [UNKNOWN]: I had to look up the year 1968 and yep indeed
01:45:03 --> 01:45:06 [UNKNOWN]: Vision first, it has established 1968.
01:45:07 --> 01:45:14 [UNKNOWN]: Vision first appeared in the comic Avengers number 57 published in August of 1968.
01:45:14 --> 01:45:16 [UNKNOWN]: It's a fun Easter egg.
01:45:16 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: Well done.
01:45:18 --> 01:45:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they must have had a lot of fun with this with these Marvel shows, especially I think in Star Wars and things like that putting Easter eggs in.
01:45:24 --> 01:45:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:26 --> 01:45:34 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and so, okay, so in general visions like re grouping and like what do we do with all this new information?
01:45:35 --> 01:45:38 [UNKNOWN]: Jarvis tries to reason with him and vision.
01:45:38 --> 01:45:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's interesting with Jarvis.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:47 [UNKNOWN]: when Jarvis keeps calling him sir because he's white vision and Jarvis is the Butler.
01:45:48 --> 01:45:49 [UNKNOWN]: And he doesn't.
01:45:49 --> 01:45:58 [UNKNOWN]: Vision's not responding to sir sir, but as soon as he says brother, vision's fun, because he wants that family as much as he says he doesn't.
01:45:59 --> 01:46:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he does.
01:46:00 --> 01:46:06 [UNKNOWN]: And that's the whole point of, you know, and locking him himself up in this prison and not
01:46:09 --> 01:46:10 [UNKNOWN]: which is different from vision.
01:46:11 --> 01:46:17 [UNKNOWN]: Why vision is not vision allowed himself to experience like why vision is shutting down.
01:46:19 --> 01:46:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Edith points out that Paladin and his goons seem like the level one bad guy is not the final bosses.
01:46:27 --> 01:46:28 [UNKNOWN]: There we go.
01:46:29 --> 01:46:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and visions like, oh, we should ask the predator and she's like, yeah, no one else speaks ruthless bad guys.
01:46:35 --> 01:46:41 [UNKNOWN]: You know, everyone's like, no bad idea, and all drawn, all drawn points.
01:46:41 --> 01:46:44 [UNKNOWN]: He dropped some truths in this conversation.
01:46:44 --> 01:46:47 [UNKNOWN]: He says, we're not here to offer counsel.
01:46:47 --> 01:46:52 [UNKNOWN]: We're here to make vision feel heard, a simulation of due consideration.
01:46:53 --> 01:46:56 [UNKNOWN]: How that's like the most white vision thing I've ever heard and he's right.
01:46:59 --> 01:47:01 [UNKNOWN]: He is right, he is, and that's the thing.
01:47:01 --> 01:47:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's trying to de-stabilize all of this, you know, in my escape, so he can take over, that's all that's going on here.
01:47:09 --> 01:47:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, again, it's just like Sinester, like he's, he's in a fairies intentions, but doesn't mean he's wrong.
01:47:17 --> 01:47:19 [UNKNOWN]: No, it doesn't mean he's wrong.
01:47:19 --> 01:47:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
01:47:20 --> 01:47:22 [UNKNOWN]: But it is a very white vision move to,
01:47:24 --> 01:47:28 [UNKNOWN]: Pretend to hear people out, but actually he just wants to sound bored for his own ideas.
01:47:29 --> 01:47:32 [UNKNOWN]: A simulation of due consideration.
01:47:32 --> 01:47:33 [UNKNOWN]: That's a great line.
01:47:33 --> 01:47:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a great line.
01:47:36 --> 01:47:46 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, at this point, vision wants to go offline and Friday, the socialization AI agrees, which is, she's the socialization AI and she's like, yeah, let's go offline.
01:47:46 --> 01:47:49 [UNKNOWN]: Like, luck never gives it only lens.
01:47:49 --> 01:47:51 [UNKNOWN]: All these horrible things happen.
01:47:51 --> 01:47:51 [UNKNOWN]: Let's hide.
01:47:52 --> 01:47:56 [UNKNOWN]: Is this trauma from Tony's death?
01:47:57 --> 01:48:00 [UNKNOWN]: I think so, yeah, definitely.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:03 --> 01:48:05 [UNKNOWN]: Jarvis wants to reach out to the Avengers.
01:48:06 --> 01:48:09 [UNKNOWN]: And Vision says, you won't put anyone else in danger.
01:48:09 --> 01:48:13 [UNKNOWN]: And he said, you know, Jarvis is like their family and Vision says I have no family.
01:48:15 --> 01:48:24 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think, like part of me wonders, if he doesn't want to reach out to the Avengers because he thinks he'll disappoint them and also because he's hurt, they're not looking for him?
01:48:26 --> 01:48:27 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, no.
01:48:29 --> 01:48:29 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:48:29 --> 01:48:31 [UNKNOWN]: I think White vision is not, is not.
01:48:32 --> 01:48:34 [UNKNOWN]: ready to deal with the world?
01:48:35 --> 01:48:37 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's all of the above, but I still think.
01:48:37 --> 01:48:39 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it might be all of the above.
01:48:39 --> 01:48:46 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I don't think my vision wants to confront what you would have to confront.
01:48:46 --> 01:48:52 [UNKNOWN]: If he were to face the Avengers, they would have questions about his existence.
01:48:52 --> 01:49:00 [UNKNOWN]: Who he is, what he is, what are your numbers, what he feels, things that he's not comfortable or willing to answer yet.
01:49:01 --> 01:49:07 [UNKNOWN]: So he's not going to call on people who would make him be introspective.
01:49:09 --> 01:49:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:11 --> 01:49:15 [UNKNOWN]: And eat it just once you run away and have fun, which we're all trying to grease with.
01:49:16 --> 01:49:16 [UNKNOWN]: Of course.
01:49:18 --> 01:49:31 [UNKNOWN]: I'll try on, it's interesting that he and Edith seem to like agree the most in terms of she's like, yeah, we should confront, you know, the guy who thinks like villain, but then
01:49:33 --> 01:49:42 [UNKNOWN]: And then also, here they agree, but then Ultron says, calls Eda to dummy, and Eda says about him, I don't have the bandwidth for this guy.
01:49:43 --> 01:49:46 [UNKNOWN]: So he's like, they're the most similar, but also, yeah, don't like each other.
01:49:47 --> 01:49:50 [UNKNOWN]: And then Ultron says, let's run away to anywhere, but Florida.
01:49:51 --> 01:49:52 [UNKNOWN]: And agree.
01:49:54 --> 01:49:57 [UNKNOWN]: Florida is notably again where the sword headquarters are.
01:49:57 --> 01:50:05 [UNKNOWN]: So is this about the fact that vision was disassembled in Florida or is this about the fact that Ultron's contact isn't Florida?
01:50:07 --> 01:50:09 [UNKNOWN]: Could be both.
01:50:11 --> 01:50:20 [UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, this is when Ultron admits to altering to a learning palliative of their location and says I exploited the butlers over confidence in
01:50:23 --> 01:50:23 [UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
01:50:24 --> 01:50:25 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, for confidence.
01:50:25 --> 01:50:25 [UNKNOWN]: I'll catch you.
01:50:25 --> 01:50:26 [UNKNOWN]: Call the button.
01:50:27 --> 01:50:28 [UNKNOWN]: The button.
01:50:28 --> 01:50:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'll catch you.
01:50:29 --> 01:50:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'll catch you.
01:50:30 --> 01:50:31 [UNKNOWN]: I'll catch you.
01:50:31 --> 01:50:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:50:31 --> 01:50:33 [UNKNOWN]: Make sure to call them the button.
01:50:33 --> 01:50:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:50:35 --> 01:50:36 [UNKNOWN]: These white visions dead.
01:50:37 --> 01:50:38 [UNKNOWN]: Father.
01:50:38 --> 01:50:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, he is indeed.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:42 [UNKNOWN]: People.
01:50:43 --> 01:50:43 [UNKNOWN]: People.
01:50:44 --> 01:50:47 [UNKNOWN]: Then it's time for Grand Kid.
01:50:48 --> 01:50:48 [UNKNOWN]: Time for Tommy.
01:50:50 --> 01:50:57 [UNKNOWN]: So, Maria Molica, I think he's, I think he's great casting so far for this character.
01:50:57 --> 01:51:00 [UNKNOWN]: I love the story, we've said it elsewhere, but we haven't said it in a while.
01:51:01 --> 01:51:08 [UNKNOWN]: He was in a play playing a romantic interest to Joe Locke, who plays Tommy, the twin.
01:51:09 --> 01:51:23 [UNKNOWN]: uh... when he got this role so one or boat i forget one of them posted on social media like uh... uh... the day you find out that uh... you're your boyfriend or whatever they were doing in the show is also your twin brother
01:51:32 --> 01:51:53 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, we did the whole recap, but just for anyone who didn't listen to the deeper recap of recap of our recap is basically one of the made magic babies with vision inside the hex with the other vision inside the hex and when the hex was a dissolved these magic babies souls which they'd actually aged up rapidly into children were released into the world.
01:51:53 --> 01:52:05 [UNKNOWN]: And one soul landed in the body of William Kaplan, who had just died in a car crash, see Agatha all along for the whole Wicken Origin story of Billy Kaplan.
01:52:05 --> 01:52:08 [UNKNOWN]: But then with Agatha's help,
01:52:09 --> 01:52:20 [UNKNOWN]: Billy, who is a powerful witch, located the last soul of his twin and guided it to a conveniently Thomas named body of a teenager being drowned by bullies.
01:52:21 --> 01:52:29 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, so his name is Thomas Shepherd and I'll say in the comics, they look like twins here.
01:52:29 --> 01:52:30 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's more realistic.
01:52:30 --> 01:52:34 [UNKNOWN]: Like it's unrealistic enough, they happen to land and bodies with the same names, but exactly.
01:52:35 --> 01:52:36 [UNKNOWN]: They don't need to look like twins.
01:52:37 --> 01:52:56 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, we also find out it's been a year and a half since Tommy woke up in Thomas Sheppard's body, we see that video from the Tottenham Police Station, Psych Eval, which is a year ago, and they say in that that he's been saying this thing about having two lives in his head for about six months at that point.
01:52:56 --> 01:52:59 [UNKNOWN]: So this show is taking place a year and a half after that.
01:53:01 --> 01:53:11 [UNKNOWN]: And, yeah, Tommy, Wanda, and Vision Sun, Thomas, is the body he's in and the life that this body had growing up.
01:53:12 --> 01:53:19 [UNKNOWN]: And it's interesting that Billy in Agatha along didn't seem to remember anything about his life.
01:53:19 --> 01:53:20 [UNKNOWN]: I love.
01:53:20 --> 01:53:22 [UNKNOWN]: before he woke up in this body.
01:53:23 --> 01:53:24 [UNKNOWN]: But this Thomas says he's both.
01:53:25 --> 01:53:30 [UNKNOWN]: So does that mean that this Tommy, when he was being drowned, didn't fully die?
01:53:30 --> 01:53:33 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas Billy did die in the car crash?
01:53:34 --> 01:53:35 [UNKNOWN]: William died.
01:53:35 --> 01:53:36 [UNKNOWN]: I hope that's not the case.
01:53:36 --> 01:53:38 [UNKNOWN]: I hope that's not the case.
01:53:39 --> 01:53:40 [UNKNOWN]: I really hope that's not the case.
01:53:40 --> 01:53:44 [UNKNOWN]: You think he's the William Kaplan's inside Billy too, still?
01:53:45 --> 01:53:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't.
01:53:47 --> 01:53:50 [UNKNOWN]: I think this needs to be explained a little bit.
01:53:51 --> 01:53:59 [UNKNOWN]: by the show, because why would Billy not have those memories, but Tommy does?
01:54:00 --> 01:54:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do.
01:54:01 --> 01:54:04 [UNKNOWN]: To the point that he says, I'm living two lives.
01:54:04 --> 01:54:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:54:06 --> 01:54:08 [UNKNOWN]: So what's going on here?
01:54:10 --> 01:54:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do wonder if it just means that that Thomas didn't die completely.
01:54:14 --> 01:54:15 [UNKNOWN]: So they're both in the head.
01:54:16 --> 01:54:31 [UNKNOWN]: But it does seem like in anger that along, we do get hints too that that Billy, although he doesn't maybe he just had some sort of like trauma amnesia from the car crash, because later on it seems like he is incorporating both personalities.
01:54:32 --> 01:54:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like we see the decor of his room and things like that.
01:54:38 --> 01:54:39 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
01:54:39 --> 01:54:48 [UNKNOWN]: But it seemed different, though, with this Tommy, because this Tommy was very specific and saying, he's living two different lives.
01:54:50 --> 01:54:51 [UNKNOWN]: He asked two different lives and his head.
01:54:52 --> 01:54:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we got that for him, Billy.
01:54:54 --> 01:54:55 [UNKNOWN]: I think we got memories.
01:54:57 --> 01:55:00 [UNKNOWN]: But this seems to be more than memories, maybe.
01:55:01 --> 01:55:01 [UNKNOWN]: To me.
01:55:02 --> 01:55:08 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, Billy didn't really have memories of the life before and this one does so.
01:55:08 --> 01:55:23 [UNKNOWN]: No, but he was, he was enmeshed in that life in a way, like he was still in the same house with the same parents, with, you know, in the same room, same friends, all of these things, and playing that part.
01:55:25 --> 01:55:26 [UNKNOWN]: right, but this Tommy is not playing a part really.
01:55:26 --> 01:55:29 [UNKNOWN]: He's saying I'm both the Tommy that was in the pool drowning, and I'm also Tommy.
01:55:29 --> 01:55:29 [UNKNOWN]: Thomas.
01:55:30 --> 01:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: Thomas.
01:55:30 --> 01:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: Thomas.
01:55:30 --> 01:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: Thomas.
01:55:31 --> 01:55:31 [UNKNOWN]: Amanda.
01:55:31 --> 01:55:31 [UNKNOWN]: Amanda.
01:55:31 --> 01:55:31 [UNKNOWN]: Amanda.
01:55:31 --> 01:55:32 [UNKNOWN]: Amanda.
01:55:32 --> 01:55:32 [UNKNOWN]: Amanda.
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01:55:33 --> 01:55:34 [UNKNOWN]: Amanda.
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01:55:34 --> 01:55:35 [UNKNOWN]: Amanda.
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01:55:54 --> 01:55:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, he just seems to remember more overall.
01:55:57 --> 01:56:09 [UNKNOWN]: He also remembers their dead dog Sparky that Agatha killed, which I'll say space the dog in the vision to comic, but And I killed their little dog too, but it's but he's also
01:56:09 --> 01:56:15 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder if like the memories are getting mixed up because he missed remembers.
01:56:16 --> 01:56:22 [UNKNOWN]: He says that when Agatha killed the dog, which I don't know if he said that part, he went the dog died.
01:56:23 --> 01:56:26 [UNKNOWN]: He says he remembers in this show he said he remembers Wanda.
01:56:28 --> 01:56:55 [UNKNOWN]: telling him the quote about grief is just love persevering and that's obviously that's not what Wanda said to him she said something else completely like no we can't bring things back from the dead because Agatha was trying to prod her to see if she could basically so and that's this quote is something the vision said to Wanda alone before Tommy was even born so is it possible
01:56:57 --> 01:57:06 [UNKNOWN]: This soul of his, this Tommy soul of his is a construct of Wanda's mind stone and magic.
01:57:07 --> 01:57:09 [UNKNOWN]: Is it her memories.
01:57:10 --> 01:57:15 [UNKNOWN]: That could be it could be a piece of her absolutely.
01:57:17 --> 01:57:21 [UNKNOWN]: But I think they need to, you know, they need to explain this a little bit more.
01:57:21 --> 01:57:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
01:57:22 --> 01:57:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure they will.
01:57:23 --> 01:57:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:57:25 --> 01:57:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he had a such like, you know, with Billy's like, oh, how tough for Billy that he wakes up in this loving family and doesn't remember who he is and it is sort of like it was an analogy for the, you know, how moody teens become new people who reject their parents to certain degree, but here.
01:57:44 --> 01:57:48 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, it's not a competition, but Thomas had it worse.
01:57:48 --> 01:57:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it works.
01:57:49 --> 01:57:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:57:51 --> 01:57:52 [UNKNOWN]: I'm certainly forced the system.
01:57:53 --> 01:58:08 [UNKNOWN]: Juvi, on a bus ride to jail, you know, on a bus ride to a psychic hospital, just, yeah, so much going on with this kid living on, you know,
01:58:15 --> 01:58:16 [UNKNOWN]: billion.
01:58:17 --> 01:58:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:18 --> 01:58:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he, and so understandably, like he thinks everyone's gonna sell him out, so he might as well do it first.
01:58:23 --> 01:58:33 [UNKNOWN]: He's reminding me here of any, I'm following along with Cosmere Corner, as I've said, the podcast John's and Aaron and Richard are doing.
01:58:36 --> 01:58:43 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm reading Mistborn and there's a character called Vin in that in that book that Tommy's reminding me I'm right now.
01:58:43 --> 01:58:47 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, you know, everyone's going to f you over, except Lisa apparently.
01:58:47 --> 01:58:58 [UNKNOWN]: He just will talk about Lisa in a second, but he tells Lisa when he meets her, you know, to trail of fosters, but they all leave orphaned once orphaned twice and so on.
01:58:58 --> 01:59:02 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't think she realizes like he meant that literally at that point, but anyway.
01:59:05 --> 01:59:08 [UNKNOWN]: And we hear when vision gets to recap later.
01:59:09 --> 01:59:14 [UNKNOWN]: son of Irene deceased so we don't know who his dad was.
01:59:15 --> 01:59:25 [UNKNOWN]: And that is a bit different from the comics where basically Thomas's parents are kind of non-endities where the capillants do get a lot more airtime in the comics.
01:59:25 --> 01:59:36 [UNKNOWN]: Thomas's parents are barely mentioned but they divorced when he was young and then indeed the key to his backstories that he was in and out of homes and juby
01:59:37 --> 01:59:38 [UNKNOWN]: growing up.
01:59:39 --> 01:59:49 [UNKNOWN]: So here there's more of an explanation, different name Irene and she was a single mom who died and that's, you know, left him in the system.
01:59:49 --> 01:59:50 [UNKNOWN]: Hello.
01:59:50 --> 01:59:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:59:53 --> 01:59:53 [UNKNOWN]: But we see.
01:59:54 --> 02:00:09 [UNKNOWN]: his speed powers are manifesting, which obviously confuses him, and Lisa's noticing things too, like his close-up magic is a little too fast, weirdly fast, and he turns away with this look on his face and changes this subject.
02:00:10 --> 02:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: and then we also see him do some other interesting things like he's he's jiggling the door and manages to get off the bus because he's jiggling the door super fast but it does remind me one of his powers in the comics is man molecular acceleration like he can accelerate the molecules inside an object to cause it to react.
02:00:31 --> 02:00:37 [UNKNOWN]: And interestingly, what did you think about the fact that he was able to send the guard on the bus?
02:00:38 --> 02:00:44 [UNKNOWN]: Um, kept shocking him, the guy from people kept pointing out his head from Game of Thrones.
02:00:45 --> 02:00:53 [UNKNOWN]: But he kept shocking him and then Tommy was able to send the shock wave back up to him.
02:00:54 --> 02:00:58 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I like that because in comics,
02:01:02 --> 02:01:03 [UNKNOWN]: always has some sort of electricity.
02:01:06 --> 02:01:10 [UNKNOWN]: There's always some sort of electricity power when it comes to the speed stirs in comic books.
02:01:10 --> 02:01:15 [UNKNOWN]: So I thought this was really cool to add a nice nod to that, I think.
02:01:16 --> 02:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: And it's also so as an expansion of what you would normally think of as a speed-related powers, you know?
02:01:25 --> 02:01:29 [UNKNOWN]: One thing I'm glad was that we didn't have to wait to see his powers being in.
02:01:30 --> 02:01:30 [UNKNOWN]: To show.
02:01:31 --> 02:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: It was very happy that they did this on in these first two episodes to set that up immediately.
02:01:36 --> 02:01:40 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a great way to move story along, actually.
02:01:41 --> 02:01:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:43 --> 02:01:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I kind of like how we see with the shockwave thing, it made me wonder like, oh, is he have powers more from his dad?
02:01:51 --> 02:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: And that caused me to think because I would always seem like the twins had like wicked, obviously, has wound us powers, the witchiness.
02:02:01 --> 02:02:06 [UNKNOWN]: But Tommy, you know, he's speed and that always seems to take more after quick silver, one is brother.
02:02:08 --> 02:02:14 [UNKNOWN]: And so is in a way that emphasizes that the DNA of the kids really comes through Wanda.
02:02:14 --> 02:02:20 [UNKNOWN]: But in this case, when he's manipulating electricity, it makes him feel more like his father's son.
02:02:20 --> 02:02:28 [UNKNOWN]: And we do also see in Wanda Vision and here that Vision can also move with some sort of super speed because of his quantum processing.
02:02:28 --> 02:02:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:02:28 --> 02:02:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:02:31 --> 02:02:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and because, of course, like, oh, maybe he has one as memories, but she also made all of them with a sliver of vision soul that she had held on to based on, yes, mine stone connection.
02:02:45 --> 02:02:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
02:02:45 --> 02:02:46 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
02:02:46 --> 02:02:46 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
02:02:46 --> 02:02:47 [UNKNOWN]: I forgot about that.
02:02:50 --> 02:02:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and in the comics, I did realize also he can manipulate his own molecules to copy visions and tangibility.
02:02:57 --> 02:03:00 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if this Tommy will pick that up, but that does take after his dad.
02:03:00 --> 02:03:03 [UNKNOWN]: So, but yeah, Lisa notices he shocked the garden.
02:03:04 --> 02:03:06 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, what's up with that spark plug, basically?
02:03:06 --> 02:03:11 [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's take our final break.
02:03:11 --> 02:03:18 [UNKNOWN]: And when we come back, we're going to talk about Lisa and how this all ends up for this week.
02:03:18 --> 02:03:19 [UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
02:03:38 --> 02:03:44 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so what do we think of Pickpocket extraordinaire, Tommy's only friend, Lisa Molinari?
02:03:46 --> 02:03:48 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm glad he has a friend.
02:03:50 --> 02:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Very happy for everybody as a friend.
02:03:53 --> 02:04:01 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see how this plays out, but she seems, you know, like she seems like she cares about her right now.
02:04:01 --> 02:04:02 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm hoping that's the case.
02:04:02 --> 02:04:06 [UNKNOWN]: I'm hoping that's not, you know, something the ferry is going on here.
02:04:08 --> 02:04:11 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, I mean, she also needs a friend, right?
02:04:11 --> 02:04:15 [UNKNOWN]: She's also alone in this world in an other system in various ways.
02:04:15 --> 02:04:17 [UNKNOWN]: We know less about her background so far.
02:04:18 --> 02:04:30 [UNKNOWN]: But it is interesting though that she keeps telling him about she shows real care for him, but she's also telling him a lot about the power of pretending to be somebody else.
02:04:31 --> 02:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: someone else.
02:04:32 --> 02:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:04:33 --> 02:04:41 [UNKNOWN]: She says, who we are is less important than who we pretend to be and she says basically about who we pretend to be is whatever keeps you alive.
02:04:42 --> 02:04:44 [UNKNOWN]: Every morning is a chance to be someone new.
02:04:45 --> 02:04:52 [UNKNOWN]: Which is, you know, it calls back to what to write on Autron Tows vision about humanity.
02:04:53 --> 02:04:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he says,
02:04:55 --> 02:04:56 [UNKNOWN]: everyone changes.
02:04:58 --> 02:05:02 [UNKNOWN]: Humans can be ten different people in the day.
02:05:03 --> 02:05:07 [UNKNOWN]: The unalgorithmic lacquerity with which they wobble my goodness.
02:05:08 --> 02:05:09 [UNKNOWN]: Learn from that.
02:05:09 --> 02:05:10 [UNKNOWN]: I've been trying.
02:05:12 --> 02:05:17 [UNKNOWN]: I know who I was, but I want to feel what it's like to be in my cot.
02:05:20 --> 02:05:23 [UNKNOWN]: I'm wondering if Ultron and Lisa will connect at some point.
02:05:24 --> 02:05:24 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:05:26 --> 02:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's as more setting up for to me.
02:05:29 --> 02:05:42 [UNKNOWN]: I felt like Tommy is going to be in white visions ear what Lisa was in his ear about.
02:05:44 --> 02:05:47 [UNKNOWN]: We're all trying isn't my visions or no Tommy?
02:05:48 --> 02:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, in terms of Tommy is going to be, yeah, yeah, finding out who you are, you know, you can be whoever you want to be.
02:05:57 --> 02:05:59 [UNKNOWN]: Every morning is a chance to be someone new.
02:06:00 --> 02:06:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:06:01 --> 02:06:06 [UNKNOWN]: Embrace your embrace what makes you, you, right, and use it.
02:06:07 --> 02:06:14 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Tommy is trying to realize that, but his father is also trying to realize that.
02:06:15 --> 02:06:24 [UNKNOWN]: And you have Ultron who is telling like vision, the same thing that Lisa is telling Tommy.
02:06:25 --> 02:06:36 [UNKNOWN]: But I think that Lisa's place is coming from a place that's much more caring and altruistic, I hope, than what visions and what Ultron is telling vision.
02:06:38 --> 02:06:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we see Tommy sees vision on TV because they're like, yeah, because he's on the news again.
02:06:46 --> 02:06:53 [UNKNOWN]: And Tommy starts to have an anxiety attack with, you know, memory fragments flooding his head.
02:06:53 --> 02:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: And it seems like, you know, first of all, Lisa seems to genuinely care to your point.
02:06:58 --> 02:07:01 [UNKNOWN]: But it also seems like she's coached him through this before.
02:07:01 --> 02:07:03 [UNKNOWN]: And this is where she's like, you can be whoever you want to be.
02:07:04 --> 02:07:21 [UNKNOWN]: But you know, thinking about so it was a year before that that Tommy was sent to the police because he said he said he had like a mental break basically or something which is right.
02:07:21 --> 02:07:23 [UNKNOWN]: And so he whenever he was
02:07:24 --> 02:07:24 [UNKNOWN]: I put it.
02:07:24 --> 02:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I guess they didn't make it to St. Maven.
02:07:26 --> 02:07:28 [UNKNOWN]: So I suppose that's when he was being sent to me.
02:07:28 --> 02:07:29 [UNKNOWN]: No, they were on their way.
02:07:29 --> 02:07:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:07:30 --> 02:07:35 [UNKNOWN]: But I was thinking that he's being told, you know, this is a bad thing.
02:07:35 --> 02:07:38 [UNKNOWN]: He had been told I suppose for six months up to that point.
02:07:38 --> 02:07:46 [UNKNOWN]: This is, you are wrong, you are crazy, you are seeing things, you're thinking, you know, you have delusions basically.
02:07:46 --> 02:07:48 [UNKNOWN]: The vision is not your father.
02:07:48 --> 02:07:52 [UNKNOWN]: And that's probably what's infusing this anxiety attack.
02:07:53 --> 02:07:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
02:07:54 --> 02:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
02:07:57 --> 02:08:11 [UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, the two go Tommy and Lisa escape this this bus to St. Maybens together and go on the run for a year together picking pockets and running comes and this is where we hear Tommy likes the cons better because he gets to try on these different personalities.
02:08:11 --> 02:08:15 [UNKNOWN]: So he, yeah, he wants to be try on all these different people.
02:08:17 --> 02:08:20 [UNKNOWN]: and not what's going on in his head constantly.
02:08:20 --> 02:08:21 [UNKNOWN]: Let's escape that.
02:08:21 --> 02:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: We're seeing that wife vision is not trying to escape it.
02:08:24 --> 02:08:28 [UNKNOWN]: He's trying to, he's actually, you know, retreating inside his head.
02:08:29 --> 02:08:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
02:08:30 --> 02:08:33 [UNKNOWN]: What Tommy's trying to break out was in his head.
02:08:34 --> 02:08:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, he and Tommy are on parallel journeys of trying to figure out who they each are with their, and Mel, their different identities.
02:08:43 --> 02:08:46 [UNKNOWN]: So it would be interesting to see that play off of each other.
02:08:47 --> 02:08:51 [UNKNOWN]: with people who knows exactly who he is.
02:08:52 --> 02:08:54 [UNKNOWN]: People has no doubts who he is.
02:08:55 --> 02:08:55 [UNKNOWN]: No doubts.
02:08:56 --> 02:08:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:58 --> 02:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: And then Tommy gets kidnapped by Paladin at the head of his client.
02:09:02 --> 02:09:05 [UNKNOWN]: And Paladin, I'll say, to his code.
02:09:06 --> 02:09:09 [UNKNOWN]: He does leave Lisa alive and unharmed.
02:09:09 --> 02:09:11 [UNKNOWN]: He just threatens her and then disappears with Tommy.
02:09:11 --> 02:09:13 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, just let me leave her Tommy or else I'm going to.
02:09:13 --> 02:09:16 [UNKNOWN]: And he makes, like, call the ball, be on your puppet.
02:09:16 --> 02:09:17 [UNKNOWN]: He's making front of her a British and that's what.
02:09:20 --> 02:09:23 [UNKNOWN]: Does that make pallidin less of a villain, I guess so?
02:09:24 --> 02:09:25 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, arguably, right?
02:09:25 --> 02:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like we said, he said, he has a code, you know, he does have a code in me.
02:09:32 --> 02:09:47 [UNKNOWN]: But within that code, he's willing to, you know, and some lives, it's just on his terms and what he determines, you know, who he determines is worthy of living and not living.
02:09:51 --> 02:10:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then the specs that the handler liberated from sword, they use to ping vision with the Tommy ransom video.
02:10:02 --> 02:10:14 [UNKNOWN]: And Jarvis poured Jarvis, he's like, you were being reckless by accepting it like Jarvis is the entire episode warning vision about stuff and then is the one who sacrifices himself when vision doesn't listen to a damn thing.
02:10:17 --> 02:10:23 [UNKNOWN]: I guess I would accept the message too to be honest.
02:10:23 --> 02:10:24 [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't know what the message is.
02:10:25 --> 02:10:27 [UNKNOWN]: I would not accept the message.
02:10:28 --> 02:10:30 [UNKNOWN]: I would not have accept the message.
02:10:30 --> 02:10:36 [UNKNOWN]: It's long to do a virus scan first, but... Yeah, they didn't even... Well, they did, because... Yeah, yeah.
02:10:36 --> 02:10:38 [UNKNOWN]: Jarvis is seldom don't do it.
02:10:38 --> 02:10:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:10:40 --> 02:10:48 [UNKNOWN]: I would have not, I would not open that message from unknown email addresses, but then you wouldn't know about your son.
02:10:50 --> 02:10:53 [UNKNOWN]: Well, man, what can I say about that?
02:10:54 --> 02:10:56 [UNKNOWN]: White vision doesn't want to be a dad.
02:10:56 --> 02:10:58 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't.
02:10:58 --> 02:10:59 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't want to be a dad.
02:11:00 --> 02:11:05 [UNKNOWN]: White vision says he doesn't want to be a dad, but everything he does this episode tells us otherwise.
02:11:09 --> 02:11:11 [UNKNOWN]: It's just more fun to say, why if they didn't want to be a dad?
02:11:12 --> 02:11:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's a deadly way vision.
02:11:13 --> 02:11:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:11:14 --> 02:11:17 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:11:17 --> 02:11:22 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he does walk into Admiral Akbar saying, It's a trap.
02:11:24 --> 02:11:26 [UNKNOWN]: but at least he realizes this.
02:11:26 --> 02:11:43 [UNKNOWN]: So there's coordinates embedded in this message from Paladin and it's to go back to the old Selkibar and I'll say in visions a pro for vision with this whole like I don't feel a new emotion situation, delusion, whatever.
02:11:44 --> 02:11:49 [UNKNOWN]: Um, whatever extent of reality, he doesn't at least doesn't have strong emotional responses to things.
02:11:50 --> 02:11:52 [UNKNOWN]: So he calls Paladin out.
02:11:53 --> 02:11:58 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, you think you can manipulate me by choosing this location where you killed my friend recently.
02:11:58 --> 02:12:01 [UNKNOWN]: But, uh, that's not who I am, sure I again.
02:12:01 --> 02:12:04 [UNKNOWN]: I like it though.
02:12:04 --> 02:12:05 [UNKNOWN]: I like it.
02:12:05 --> 02:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: He's saying, um, you're, you're trying to find someone who I am not.
02:12:11 --> 02:12:12 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:12:12 --> 02:12:17 [UNKNOWN]: You're using a playbook that's geared towards someone that I am not.
02:12:19 --> 02:12:20 [UNKNOWN]: So good luck with that.
02:12:24 --> 02:12:29 [UNKNOWN]: Good luck with that because what you're looking at, you have no idea.
02:12:30 --> 02:12:35 [UNKNOWN]: And really, he doesn't have an idea yet, which makes him doubly dangerous.
02:12:41 --> 02:12:44 [UNKNOWN]: when he gets snatched, you'll find a neck.
02:12:45 --> 02:12:46 [UNKNOWN]: He gets snatched by the throat.
02:12:46 --> 02:12:49 [UNKNOWN]: Like, we take you playing with dude.
02:12:49 --> 02:12:52 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm a white vision, motherfucker.
02:13:00 --> 02:13:02 [UNKNOWN]: Then you know, vision decides to go.
02:13:03 --> 02:13:07 [UNKNOWN]: He says, I love, he goes to St. Maybens and says, I'm here for the trap.
02:13:11 --> 02:13:30 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, this is the opening attack vision we see he's not freezing time because some people seem confused by that But he's just his processing speed is so fast that it's like yeah, from his perspective It's basically so, but it's not like people outside have stopped
02:13:31 --> 02:13:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's like the flash on a quick silver running.
02:13:36 --> 02:13:39 [UNKNOWN]: If you remember the scene from later on, Charlie is running.
02:13:40 --> 02:13:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:13:40 --> 02:13:42 [UNKNOWN]: Or Macquarie, remember Macquarie, sorry.
02:13:43 --> 02:13:44 [UNKNOWN]: Or Macquarie, yes, absolutely.
02:13:45 --> 02:13:46 [UNKNOWN]: From turn lights anyway.
02:13:46 --> 02:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: They're moving so fast.
02:13:48 --> 02:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: They're moving so fast that it looks like time has stopped.
02:13:53 --> 02:13:54 [UNKNOWN]: For everyone else, but them.
02:13:57 --> 02:14:10 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, this is how this allows them to all the AI to look around and be like, yeah, these are definitely mercenaries posing as receptionist impatience, just like the one guns peeking out and it's like, well, that's just a floppy.
02:14:14 --> 02:14:29 [UNKNOWN]: And we know, because I keep telling us throughout the episode, whenever there's a situation like this, they rehearse it, like hundreds, thousands of times before going into the situation because they can, you know, so they can predict a lot of things.
02:14:31 --> 02:14:32 [UNKNOWN]: Productive technology.
02:14:32 --> 02:14:33 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
02:14:33 --> 02:14:33 [UNKNOWN]: Gosh.
02:14:33 --> 02:14:38 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder, like when Vision walks into the bar and he can repeat what Paladin says, like you
02:14:40 --> 02:14:47 [UNKNOWN]: Granted fine, you know, a million monkeys at the keyboard situation, somebody is going to write Shakespeare, whatever, by accident.
02:14:47 --> 02:14:56 [UNKNOWN]: That whole idea, so he could luck on the thing that Paladin would say, but it seems like you would need to know someone to predict what they would say.
02:14:58 --> 02:15:01 [UNKNOWN]: Again, I am not here for the science.
02:15:03 --> 02:15:12 [UNKNOWN]: So, how he didn't, okay, he just didn't, okay.
02:15:17 --> 02:15:20 [UNKNOWN]: He knew what that man was going to say before he said it.
02:15:20 --> 02:15:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll be here for all of that shit.
02:15:22 --> 02:15:24 [UNKNOWN]: Because it's vision, mind magic.
02:15:25 --> 02:15:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, he's created with the mind stone.
02:15:28 --> 02:15:30 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and chaos power.
02:15:31 --> 02:15:35 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, sure chaos magic might stone chaos magic.
02:15:35 --> 02:15:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's got that in him because, sorry, other vision, one division, hex vision gave him.
02:15:41 --> 02:15:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, memories of that at least you gave him the memories.
02:15:47 --> 02:15:57 [UNKNOWN]: So we talked about this, I mean, we've mentioned obviously the saddest deaths or Fiona, and especially Jarvis is Clancy, the bus driver, the happiest death.
02:16:00 --> 02:16:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:16:04 --> 02:16:05 [UNKNOWN]: Rest in peace, Clancy.
02:16:05 --> 02:16:06 [UNKNOWN]: No, miss you.
02:16:07 --> 02:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my gosh.
02:16:10 --> 02:16:14 [UNKNOWN]: Are you gonna miss them?
02:16:14 --> 02:16:14 [UNKNOWN]: Am I wrong?
02:16:17 --> 02:16:19 [UNKNOWN]: Again, now I have to see your play.
02:16:19 --> 02:16:21 [UNKNOWN]: I understand what you're saying.
02:16:26 --> 02:16:30 [UNKNOWN]: I have some questions about this Saint Maven's place.
02:16:30 --> 02:16:33 [UNKNOWN]: First of all, so I had to look up the name Maven.
02:16:33 --> 02:16:40 [UNKNOWN]: And I found out this is a lesser Cornish saint from she was Welsh.
02:16:41 --> 02:16:42 [UNKNOWN]: That's, yeah.
02:16:42 --> 02:16:43 [UNKNOWN]: But over is...
02:16:44 --> 02:16:48 [UNKNOWN]: So Wales, Cornwall, you know, shared cultural history.
02:16:48 --> 02:16:54 [UNKNOWN]: She apparently from Wales died in Cornwall in the sixth century.
02:16:54 --> 02:17:01 [UNKNOWN]: So she was Celtic, but also Christian at this time, just around the time when the British Isles were becoming Christian.
02:17:02 --> 02:17:05 [UNKNOWN]: And her feast day is November 18th.
02:17:06 --> 02:17:08 [UNKNOWN]: we don't really know much more about that.
02:17:09 --> 02:17:17 [UNKNOWN]: There is a minor mention of a hospital by that name in the comics, but not really anything significant to latch on to here.
02:17:17 --> 02:17:22 [UNKNOWN]: Although I noticed the feast day in November 18th, I was like, did we mention the second episode as randomly on Christmas?
02:17:25 --> 02:17:30 [UNKNOWN]: No, we didn't actually.
02:17:30 --> 02:17:31 [UNKNOWN]: That's right, we didn't know.
02:17:31 --> 02:17:32 [UNKNOWN]: It's special.
02:17:33 --> 02:17:33 [UNKNOWN]: It is a Christmas special.
02:17:36 --> 02:17:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I just, I wonder, okay, so that's where the name comes from.
02:17:40 --> 02:17:43 [UNKNOWN]: But where is the staff in this place?
02:17:44 --> 02:17:48 [UNKNOWN]: What happens, you know, this has been taken over by these mercenaries?
02:17:48 --> 02:17:48 [UNKNOWN]: Where's the staff?
02:17:49 --> 02:17:54 [UNKNOWN]: What happened to the inmates or, quote unquote, patients or whatever they call them?
02:17:55 --> 02:18:01 [UNKNOWN]: there's this EMP room that they learn vision into why does this exist?
02:18:02 --> 02:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: Is this actually a prison for superpowered teens or something like that?
02:18:08 --> 02:18:19 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that whoever has been sending these messages to Paladin, whoever hired him, has been preparing to try to catch
02:18:23 --> 02:18:25 [UNKNOWN]: like this is all prep, that was done.
02:18:25 --> 02:18:33 [UNKNOWN]: And wonder if they didn't know that they, what they had when Tommy was arrested the first time.
02:18:33 --> 02:18:36 [UNKNOWN]: Or, no, I guess maybe they just took over Mabin's now.
02:18:36 --> 02:18:37 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe they killed all this stuff.
02:18:38 --> 02:18:40 [UNKNOWN]: What, where are the patients?
02:18:40 --> 02:18:41 [UNKNOWN]: The patients, they killed the staff.
02:18:43 --> 02:18:44 [UNKNOWN]: I'd believe they got moved.
02:18:46 --> 02:18:47 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:18:47 --> 02:18:59 [UNKNOWN]: It didn't, yeah, it didn't look entire, because when we went to that floor that the room was on, with Tommy was being kept, it looked deserted.
02:19:00 --> 02:19:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:19:02 --> 02:19:04 [UNKNOWN]: It looked like he had been cleared out.
02:19:05 --> 02:19:09 [UNKNOWN]: So my thought was that they prepped for this event, for this,
02:19:11 --> 02:19:27 [UNKNOWN]: and whatever EMP, the AMP room, was not of pallidance making, I don't think he's doing, I don't think he's being supplied, he's being given the tools needed to complete the job I think.
02:19:30 --> 02:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:19:30 --> 02:19:36 [UNKNOWN]: I do have questions because Lisa had heard of St. Maven's before and she said, no one ever gets out.
02:19:36 --> 02:19:42 [UNKNOWN]: But then there's his other guy on the bus who was screaming that he knew where they were going and he was not going back.
02:19:43 --> 02:19:45 [UNKNOWN]: So it seemed like he was there before and got out somehow.
02:19:46 --> 02:20:01 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I did hope like that that guy was going to turn on to be someone because he starts leading a chorus of Christmas carols to distract a boss scarry mechanic so that he doesn't know it's a Tommy and Lisa trying to break out, but I was like, oh, he's going to go with them, but then no, they left him.
02:20:01 --> 02:20:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but then he did not.
02:20:03 --> 02:20:05 [UNKNOWN]: No, so disappointing.
02:20:06 --> 02:20:09 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, could this be someone in the credits?
02:20:09 --> 02:20:11 [UNKNOWN]: He's just credited as tattooed guy.
02:20:11 --> 02:20:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, first of all, most of it, he's wearing a coat and hat and stuff that's covering most of his skin.
02:20:17 --> 02:20:21 [UNKNOWN]: Later, his coat open and there's maybe a tattoo peeking up over his shirt line.
02:20:21 --> 02:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, he's pierced guy, it's best.
02:20:24 --> 02:20:28 [UNKNOWN]: But it's as soon as one tattoo, he's tattooed guy.
02:20:32 --> 02:20:32 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I...
02:20:34 --> 02:20:41 [UNKNOWN]: Did you hope that he or think or is it just me who like clings to every new character that has any significant moment on screen?
02:20:43 --> 02:20:49 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know I didn't think I thought he was gonna escape as well, but then He didn't it.
02:20:49 --> 02:20:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's left up so it's like oh, okay.
02:20:52 --> 02:20:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna okay.
02:20:54 --> 02:20:57 [UNKNOWN]: All right, all right Maybe that's that maybe not
02:20:58 --> 02:20:59 [UNKNOWN]: probably it's just that.
02:21:00 --> 02:21:09 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so the real trap is Tommy is in an MPK, which vision should have looked more carefully at when the door was happened to be open.
02:21:10 --> 02:21:17 [UNKNOWN]: But so this so EMP Electoral Magnetic Pulse, this knocks out the Android vision, doesn't affect Tommy.
02:21:18 --> 02:21:22 [UNKNOWN]: But Tommy, he thinks vision is a vision.
02:21:22 --> 02:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: He thinks he's a hallucination.
02:21:26 --> 02:21:42 [UNKNOWN]: and then comes down when he realizes he's real, um, and mean when the EMPs are bombarding vision and like the whole mind space is shaking, all trunks just reading is like it's the end of the world as we know it.
02:21:42 --> 02:21:43 [UNKNOWN]: I feel fine.
02:21:43 --> 02:21:44 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not too fine.
02:21:46 --> 02:21:48 [UNKNOWN]: Then the elevator opens ding.
02:21:49 --> 02:21:53 [UNKNOWN]: But he doesn't like, that just means he's able to leave the attic.
02:21:53 --> 02:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: He's still haunting vision through the end of the episode.
02:21:56 --> 02:21:57 [UNKNOWN]: He hasn't gone anywhere.
02:21:58 --> 02:22:00 [UNKNOWN]: I guess he's not like that.
02:22:00 --> 02:22:05 [UNKNOWN]: He's still in the mind's game, but he's not, you know.
02:22:06 --> 02:22:08 [UNKNOWN]: He'd now able to just move around.
02:22:10 --> 02:22:10 [UNKNOWN]: He's not contained.
02:22:10 --> 02:22:13 [UNKNOWN]: He's not a program that's contained in me longer.
02:22:13 --> 02:22:14 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:22:14 --> 02:22:14 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:22:14 --> 02:22:15 [UNKNOWN]: He's not straight off.
02:22:16 --> 02:22:16 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:22:17 --> 02:22:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:22:17 --> 02:22:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:22:19 --> 02:22:23 [UNKNOWN]: I did think he was touching when vision, you know, he's like being knocked out.
02:22:23 --> 02:22:29 [UNKNOWN]: But when Tommy yells at vision to get up, it's enough for vision to pull through.
02:22:29 --> 02:22:29 [UNKNOWN]: To get him up.
02:22:29 --> 02:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:22:31 --> 02:22:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:22:31 --> 02:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: And my boys, yeah, I want me to get up.
02:22:33 --> 02:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: I got to get up.
02:22:34 --> 02:22:36 [UNKNOWN]: I got to get, I got to do it.
02:22:37 --> 02:23:01 [UNKNOWN]: And so Paladin shooting vision with those adamantium bullets, the only thing that can only bullets that can harm him, visions first, instinct pushes Billy away violently, but it's to protect him and then vision and Tommy escape, but, um, and visions like, no, go on without me and Tommy's like, no, he's like, you're my, you're my something.
02:23:01 --> 02:23:02 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to leave you.
02:23:04 --> 02:23:06 [UNKNOWN]: He's trying to figure himself out, right?
02:23:06 --> 02:23:12 [UNKNOWN]: And he's like, this is a piece that I need to help me figure out why I am.
02:23:13 --> 02:23:16 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not going to lose that, you know?
02:23:16 --> 02:23:17 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to do that.
02:23:18 --> 02:23:25 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas vision is just like, you know, okay, get out of here and I'll save you, be that, you know?
02:23:26 --> 02:23:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:23:26 --> 02:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: Don't get caught.
02:23:27 --> 02:23:28 [UNKNOWN]: The VIP life.
02:23:30 --> 02:23:33 [UNKNOWN]: Tommy is just like, no, no, that's not what I need.
02:23:33 --> 02:23:35 [UNKNOWN]: I need to live a happy life.
02:23:35 --> 02:23:44 [UNKNOWN]: I need to know what part of it do you play as whatever you may be.
02:23:46 --> 02:23:57 [UNKNOWN]: I think this also comes back to Vision's low self esteem in that we've been seeing in these two episodes where, you know, he says repeatedly, he doesn't want anyone else to get hurt.
02:23:57 --> 02:24:00 [UNKNOWN]: So obviously, he's pushing Tommy away because he doesn't want to get hurt.
02:24:00 --> 02:24:02 [UNKNOWN]: We saw him literally do that in the hall.
02:24:02 --> 02:24:04 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's what he's doing here as well.
02:24:05 --> 02:24:08 [UNKNOWN]: And just also thinking like he will disappoint him.
02:24:09 --> 02:24:13 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, just all those things like just thinking that Tommy is better off
02:24:16 --> 02:24:16 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:24:18 --> 02:24:18 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:24:20 --> 02:24:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:24:22 --> 02:24:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, father and son are on the same journey of self-discovery after unexpected rebirth.
02:24:26 --> 02:24:42 [UNKNOWN]: So, and of course, Ultron, the final words, says visions like he didn't listen when Tommy shows back up with a car to get him and, and all turns like, like, father like son.
02:24:42 --> 02:24:48 [UNKNOWN]: So, everything Tommy is going to freak out when he learns that Ultron,
02:24:51 --> 02:24:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think so, yes.
02:24:52 --> 02:24:53 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I would.
02:24:53 --> 02:24:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:24:56 --> 02:24:56 [UNKNOWN]: No.
02:24:57 --> 02:25:11 [UNKNOWN]: But it is like Tommy, it was interesting, his description of vision, you're thinking about Paul Bettany comparing this exploration of Frankenstein when Tommy describes her hex vision.
02:25:11 --> 02:25:18 [UNKNOWN]: He says, he describes his face as blood red, like a demon, but kind eyes.
02:25:23 --> 02:25:26 [UNKNOWN]: That reminds me of me describing Victor from Silent, it's having Kainai.
02:25:26 --> 02:25:32 [UNKNOWN]: It's a leave that there for anyone who has this thought up, and it seems to have seen it.
02:25:32 --> 02:25:35 [UNKNOWN]: I do know well, from the book I'll just say, but anyway.
02:25:38 --> 02:25:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but in the meantime, we've lost Jarvis, as we said, he, vision system is going down, and Ultron comes in and is like, oops, time for somebody to sacrifice themselves, and Jarvis is like, immediately stands up, like, Jarvis, how do it?
02:25:57 --> 02:26:00 [UNKNOWN]: But so this is the end of Jarvis.
02:26:02 --> 02:26:05 [UNKNOWN]: Jarvis, what are you doing?
02:26:07 --> 02:26:13 [UNKNOWN]: I've been using my code and devoting my processing power to one of you.
02:26:13 --> 02:26:14 [UNKNOWN]: The toughest.
02:26:19 --> 02:26:27 [UNKNOWN]: It's a family's forever, and it's worth the fight.
02:26:29 --> 02:26:40 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, shout out to Mick Giacino, who did the scores, a son of Michael Duke, you know, Mick's been following in his father's footsteps and making quite the name for himself and especially superhero scores.
02:26:43 --> 02:26:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Jarvis, who is the one who wore and division not to do any of this in the first place?
02:26:49 --> 02:26:50 [UNKNOWN]: And...
02:26:50 --> 02:26:51 [UNKNOWN]: He's the price.
02:26:52 --> 02:26:54 [UNKNOWN]: He's the one who chose to pay the price.
02:26:59 --> 02:27:06 [UNKNOWN]: And, yeah, the question remains, what does this mean for visions program within?
02:27:06 --> 02:27:07 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
02:27:09 --> 02:27:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
02:27:09 --> 02:27:11 [UNKNOWN]: Will he maybe be less cautious now, actually?
02:27:13 --> 02:27:15 [UNKNOWN]: The less cautious or more cautious.
02:27:15 --> 02:27:19 [UNKNOWN]: Less cautious, because it's a curious A.I.
02:27:20 --> 02:27:20 [UNKNOWN]: is out.
02:27:22 --> 02:27:24 [UNKNOWN]: That part of his personality.
02:27:25 --> 02:27:25 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
02:27:28 --> 02:27:39 [UNKNOWN]: My, I mean, Jarvis was the one who kept cautioning him and Jarvis was right to a certain degree but also like obviously I'm glad that vision went and saved tell me in ignored him and you know.
02:27:42 --> 02:27:42 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
02:27:43 --> 02:27:44 [UNKNOWN]: That's an interesting question.
02:27:44 --> 02:27:45 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't thought about that.
02:27:48 --> 02:27:53 [UNKNOWN]: How much of a role do these AIs have on who what vision is currently?
02:27:54 --> 02:27:54 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:27:56 --> 02:28:01 [UNKNOWN]: Are they aspects of his personality, or their own individual, separate personalities?
02:28:02 --> 02:28:02 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:28:04 --> 02:28:04 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:28:06 --> 02:28:07 [UNKNOWN]: That remains to be seen.
02:28:07 --> 02:28:08 [UNKNOWN]: This is interesting.
02:28:09 --> 02:28:09 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:28:09 --> 02:28:11 [UNKNOWN]: It's a question I haven't felt about.
02:28:11 --> 02:28:18 [UNKNOWN]: Because I assume that they were all their own distinct personalities living within
02:28:26 --> 02:28:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's just one of the just expressions of different parts of why division himself, that would mean all tron is also part of that, no, I mean the part of the murder of part of vision, yeah, any more thoughts on these first two episodes?
02:28:48 --> 02:28:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think that's it.
02:28:49 --> 02:28:50 [UNKNOWN]: I think we got through it.
02:28:51 --> 02:28:52 [UNKNOWN]: I can't wait for it.
02:28:52 --> 02:28:53 [UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed it the next two.
02:28:54 --> 02:28:55 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
02:28:55 --> 02:29:02 [UNKNOWN]: I felt like, you know, when ever so too ended, I was like, ah, do I want a binge?
02:29:05 --> 02:29:08 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, part of me, I'm like, I'm kind of glad I'm getting to your next week.
02:29:08 --> 02:29:11 [UNKNOWN]: Do I want a binge?
02:29:11 --> 02:29:13 [UNKNOWN]: Or am I happy that I'm spaced out?
02:29:13 --> 02:29:13 [UNKNOWN]: So,
02:29:14 --> 02:29:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's like the two episodes at a time, that's a manageable amount, and it's almost, it's like having a feature film every week.
02:29:24 --> 02:29:24 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:29:25 --> 02:29:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a good way to put it.
02:29:27 --> 02:29:29 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder how long the last two episodes will be.
02:29:30 --> 02:29:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yep, because these were pretty long.
02:29:32 --> 02:29:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, these were like regular, sort of drama length 45 to 30 minutes episodes.
02:29:43 --> 02:29:44 [UNKNOWN]: I give it.
02:29:46 --> 02:29:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:29:47 --> 02:29:48 [UNKNOWN]: And others.
02:29:48 --> 02:29:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:29:49 --> 02:29:50 [UNKNOWN]: All right, like Wonderman.
02:29:50 --> 02:29:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:29:52 --> 02:29:53 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
02:29:53 --> 02:29:57 [UNKNOWN]: So at this point in other weeks, we might do a comics corner.
02:29:57 --> 02:30:07 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't think I don't have anything to add from we did an extended comics corner and our preview breakdown.
02:30:07 --> 02:30:09 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you have anything
02:30:12 --> 02:30:16 [UNKNOWN]: I think this the show is going to be the show.
02:30:16 --> 02:30:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think there's any other comics that I can think of right now that we would need to talk about, but it would be interesting to see if they do bring in other characters and things that nature and then maybe we will have those discussions that's coming up.
02:30:32 --> 02:30:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely.
02:30:34 --> 02:30:45 [UNKNOWN]: If you're curious about the comics, this is based on and how closely the stories tuned to that so far, then check out our preview episode again, and the last section was dedicated especially to that.
02:30:47 --> 02:30:58 [UNKNOWN]: But lots going on on the network, as always, in addition to vision quest, we just did, you David and I, the lanterns, season wrap, are you in mourning for the
02:31:00 --> 02:31:04 [UNKNOWN]: I was this past Sunday, I will say that it was tough.
02:31:06 --> 02:31:11 [UNKNOWN]: It was tough because I was just like, where's my John Stuart fix?
02:31:12 --> 02:31:13 [UNKNOWN]: It wasn't happening.
02:31:14 --> 02:31:17 [UNKNOWN]: It's just, you get white vision a few days to it.
02:31:17 --> 02:31:19 [UNKNOWN]: I got white vision.
02:31:21 --> 02:31:23 [UNKNOWN]: I was here with John Stuart Jr. and I got white vision.
02:31:27 --> 02:31:29 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I do miss the show.
02:31:30 --> 02:31:39 [UNKNOWN]: I'll see that we have our next DC hit next week the film releases clay face releasing October 23rd I have my ticket.
02:31:39 --> 02:31:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, so well, I'll probably do a cast about that hopefully the following week
02:31:47 --> 02:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, fingers crossed.
02:31:48 --> 02:31:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, look forward to it.
02:31:50 --> 02:31:51 [UNKNOWN]: So, yes, they tuned.
02:31:51 --> 02:31:53 [UNKNOWN]: So watch Clayface, didn't theaters.
02:31:53 --> 02:31:58 [UNKNOWN]: Just, well, yeah, if you like horror, just from watch the, maybe watch the trailer, let's do that.
02:31:58 --> 02:32:00 [UNKNOWN]: If you're on the fence, because it is low.
02:32:00 --> 02:32:12 [UNKNOWN]: If you like body horror, especially, and if you're a little bit squeamish about that stuff, I mean, it's not bloody, but it's like, he's made of clay and his face is like, melt-fast stuff, yeah.
02:32:12 --> 02:32:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's a lot of that.
02:32:16 --> 02:32:31 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, and if you have thoughts about any of these things, vision quest, lanterns, clay face, we, anything else in the Marvel and DC universes, we would love to hear about it at comics, verses, comics, vs at thelorhounds.com, you'll find that link in the show notes.
02:32:32 --> 02:32:35 [UNKNOWN]: and jump into the conversations on Discord as well.
02:32:35 --> 02:32:40 [UNKNOWN]: You'll find a link to that in the link tree in the show notes.
02:32:40 --> 02:32:59 [UNKNOWN]: You'll also find in that link tree links to the other podcasts on the network like My Own Walshift Dust where I'm still releasing silo episodes also Spooktober, Werewolf season, so watch out for a Werewolf episode coming there soon about the best Werewolf movies ever.
02:33:01 --> 02:33:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we had to record it that actually.
02:33:03 --> 02:33:04 [UNKNOWN]: So I know what our top 10 is.
02:33:04 --> 02:33:06 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
02:33:06 --> 02:33:06 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:33:06 --> 02:33:07 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:33:07 --> 02:33:07 [UNKNOWN]: Cool.
02:33:08 --> 02:33:09 [UNKNOWN]: I couldn't wait to hear it.
02:33:10 --> 02:33:11 [UNKNOWN]: And just agree with it.
02:33:12 --> 02:33:13 [UNKNOWN]: What are your favorite?
02:33:13 --> 02:33:14 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe not.
02:33:14 --> 02:33:14 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe not.
02:33:15 --> 02:33:16 [UNKNOWN]: Like when we're shut up.
02:33:16 --> 02:33:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, American Wealth and London.
02:33:20 --> 02:33:20 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:33:22 --> 02:33:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that, you know, one of the first horrors that I can remember seeing.
02:33:31 --> 02:33:35 [UNKNOWN]: that that played a role for me because I'd never saw it in the theater.
02:33:35 --> 02:33:39 [UNKNOWN]: I only saw it on, you know, like the watch from a call at the tapes.
02:33:40 --> 02:33:43 [UNKNOWN]: So when I got my hands on it, it was like, oh, this is crazy.
02:33:44 --> 02:33:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know that was a seminal movie for a lot of people.
02:33:47 --> 02:33:50 [UNKNOWN]: For some reason, I wasn't exposed to it till later, but yeah.
02:33:51 --> 02:33:52 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay.
02:33:52 --> 02:33:54 [UNKNOWN]: I know Anthony was exposed to the younger age as well.
02:33:57 --> 02:34:04 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and there's also dungeons and do rags, they just released and offensively hateful review of the drama.
02:34:04 --> 02:34:06 [UNKNOWN]: My favorite film of the years of our.
02:34:07 --> 02:34:09 [UNKNOWN]: No, we were talking about it before recording.
02:34:09 --> 02:34:13 [UNKNOWN]: Like, there's some haters there, but there's a lot of fun.
02:34:13 --> 02:34:20 [UNKNOWN]: So they're going to be covering, uh, carry, which, unfortunately, we haven't had time to cover on the
02:34:25 --> 02:34:38 [UNKNOWN]: And they're also going to be covering vision quests, you know, we'll see if the, if the hate a raid comes out for that or not, but you can come here for vision quest love, you can come there to laugh at their, their angry takes.
02:34:39 --> 02:34:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, they come on love vision quests is murderbot.
02:34:42 --> 02:34:44 [UNKNOWN]: Murderbot, murderbot, the white vision.
02:34:48 --> 02:34:50 [UNKNOWN]: actually a murderbot would never.
02:34:51 --> 02:34:52 [UNKNOWN]: Speaking of the.
02:34:52 --> 02:34:54 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'll tell you.
02:34:55 --> 02:34:55 [UNKNOWN]: That is true.
02:34:56 --> 02:34:58 [UNKNOWN]: That is true.
02:34:58 --> 02:35:14 [UNKNOWN]: Rings and rituals is in the middle of or in the second half of their recap watch of season two of Rings of Power where they are gearing up for season three Rings of Power with some deep dives into.
02:35:15 --> 02:35:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the prior season through the lens of ritual and universe, our universe, Tolkien's universe, and then of course season three will be covered in full on the Lohan's feed.
02:35:26 --> 02:35:36 [UNKNOWN]: Never mind the music where psychology meets music, properly Howard is just about to start their new season, which is unlikely double features.
02:35:37 --> 02:35:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I mentioned already, Cosmere Corner is covering the Brandon Center Simbooks starting with the first Missborn book, which I'm in the middle of.
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02:36:30 --> 02:36:57 [UNKNOWN]: there's what you watch in a couple of what you watch and it came out for the great British bake-off and oh yeah there's a public episode for pressure the new film that just came out but there's also going to be right after this I want you to watch in for practical magic too which just released on digital the first practical magic and practical magic too which we have fun time talking about even if we didn't love the second movie as much as the first.
02:37:01 --> 02:37:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a spooktober voting is open, which is actually open publicly this time.
02:37:06 --> 02:37:16 [UNKNOWN]: So if you want to vote on what we cover for spooktober, we have four options we've selected that are up in a poll, you can find the link on the discord in the spooktober channel.
02:37:17 --> 02:37:21 [UNKNOWN]: or if you are a subscriber of Supercast and Patreon, you've already had the link, email to you.
02:37:22 --> 02:37:25 [UNKNOWN]: And let's see, who is, I think, Cloverfield.
02:37:25 --> 02:37:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Cloverfield is, I was surprised.
02:37:28 --> 02:37:33 [UNKNOWN]: The Cloverfields in the lead above the likes of like, as exorcist and trained in Busan and others.
02:37:34 --> 02:37:36 [UNKNOWN]: My favorite is type for second place.
02:37:36 --> 02:37:38 [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to talk to me, versus oddity.
02:37:39 --> 02:37:39 [UNKNOWN]: But,
02:37:40 --> 02:37:41 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
02:37:41 --> 02:37:42 [UNKNOWN]: Looks like it might be clever field.
02:37:42 --> 02:37:50 [UNKNOWN]: Unless there's still time to vote as of a couple days to vote as of this coming out, the tides could turn any which way.
02:37:53 --> 02:37:57 [UNKNOWN]: All right, I went back into the Synthway folder this time.
02:37:57 --> 02:38:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's projection because that is the psychological principle that vision is employing when he accuses other people of doing the things he's doing himself.
02:38:07 --> 02:38:07 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway.
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02:39:38 --> 02:39:42 [UNKNOWN]: The timing, the timing is just on my side sometimes.
02:39:44 --> 02:39:45 [UNKNOWN]: That was an accident, folks.
02:39:45 --> 02:39:46 [UNKNOWN]: Not editing.
02:39:46 --> 02:39:49 [UNKNOWN]: All right, Jon, take us out.
02:39:50 --> 02:39:51 [UNKNOWN]: What's your message?
02:39:51 --> 02:39:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:39:52 --> 02:39:53 [UNKNOWN]: White vision.
02:39:53 --> 02:39:54 [UNKNOWN]: No, who am I?
02:39:55 --> 02:39:57 [UNKNOWN]: And now it is a message to weigh vision.
02:39:57 --> 02:39:58 [UNKNOWN]: Why vision?
02:39:59 --> 02:40:00 [UNKNOWN]: Be a father to your child, baby.
02:40:02 --> 02:40:02 [UNKNOWN]: Please.
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