Jean and Elysia explore VisionQuest episode 3 and 4's character building a bonding, unexpected disintegrations, and recurring themes of longing for legitimacy, from Paladin's to synths to newly rediscovered sons – and why fearlessly facing one's own demise might be easier for some Marvel heroes than coping with the loss of another they love. Plus, of course, all our latest musings (not predictions!) on this mysterious client and Jocasta's biomarker-key-collection goals. Not to mention tracking the latest in Pepaw's whiplash-inducing dance of face and heel turns.
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00:25 --> 00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome to Comics Versus, a lower-hounds podcast to your guides to the compelling power of code.
00:31 --> 00:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia.
00:32 --> 00:37 [UNKNOWN]: Just finishing up the final touches on my skirt of legs to go with Lisa's coat of arms.
00:39 --> 00:40 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's a good way.
00:40 --> 00:41 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good one.
00:41 --> 00:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm Jean, Jacosta's height man ready to celebrate Tommy Speedrun into his power.
00:46 --> 00:49 [UNKNOWN]: In episode 3 and 4 of Vision Quest.
00:50 --> 00:53 [UNKNOWN]: So this is our third vision quest episode.
00:54 --> 01:05 [UNKNOWN]: We did a season one preview where we first recapped the key stories going into this show, including one division and Agatha all along and the other most important movies.
01:06 --> 01:12 [UNKNOWN]: And then we previewed everything we know about the characters and stories that we knew before beginning from marketing materials.
01:13 --> 01:16 [UNKNOWN]: And then we talked about,
01:17 --> 01:39 [UNKNOWN]: the key comics inspiring this whole run of story and then of course the second episode was breaking down episodes one and two together like we're doing episodes three and four together and next week we'll be five and six together but then for the last two weeks it's seven and eight each get their own week all to themselves how are you feeling after a second week of this structure show
01:40 --> 01:51 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, it's, it's weird, uh, I appreciate it, but if you're going to give me like the, I, I, I'd rather just binge it.
01:55 --> 02:06 [UNKNOWN]: If you're going to give me one or two each week, you know, it's like, ah, can I just go to the next one, you know what I mean?
02:07 --> 02:10 [UNKNOWN]: Because I'm so primed for that in my mind.
02:10 --> 02:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, I have two with the third one.
02:13 --> 02:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm ready for the third one right now, you know?
02:15 --> 02:17 [UNKNOWN]: So that's why I say that.
02:17 --> 02:21 [UNKNOWN]: Not because I'm not enjoying the show just because it's like,
02:21 --> 02:44 [UNKNOWN]: my viewing has been shaped right and I'm getting two episodes but at the end of the second episode I want to watch a third episode like immediately you know what I mean so if it sets up like it's one episode per week then I'm already in that mindset but giving me the two oh man that seems a bit cool
02:45 --> 02:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, see, I am just like the idea of a binge gives me heart palpitations, but you know, it's been a long time since I've been to something I just don't have time for that.
02:56 --> 03:07 [UNKNOWN]: So, I really don't like this trend toward other shows, Netflix of buying with these with more like binge drops or episodes to the other because, um,
03:08 --> 03:12 [UNKNOWN]: I just, I, it fall behind and then I end up falling off the show if I weren't coming up.
03:12 --> 03:13 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
03:14 --> 03:18 [UNKNOWN]: I end up falling off the show because I just like, I can't keep up, I get behind in the conversation.
03:18 --> 03:20 [UNKNOWN]: There's some other show that's capturing the zeitgeist.
03:20 --> 03:23 [UNKNOWN]: And if I only have time for one, I'm going for that other one that I can watch.
03:23 --> 03:24 [UNKNOWN]: Like, one week at a time and talk about with people.
03:24 --> 03:29 [UNKNOWN]: So, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,
03:30 --> 03:46 [UNKNOWN]: I'm glad for this, but I mean, I'm glad that it's not a binge, at least, as far as the two a week so far, it's, I mean, it's a lot from the preparing podcast episode that where I make balance coverage without going overboard.
03:47 --> 03:57 [UNKNOWN]: But as a viewer, I think that these have been so linked that both weeks, at the end of the first episode, as soon as the credits start rolling
03:59 --> 04:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then I'm okay after the second one.
04:03 --> 04:03 [UNKNOWN]: So.
04:03 --> 04:03 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
04:04 --> 04:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
04:05 --> 04:07 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess it's working for me fairly well.
04:07 --> 04:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I'm not shouting at the mountain.
04:11 --> 04:11 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
04:11 --> 04:13 [UNKNOWN]: Why, I'm not doing any of these yet.
04:14 --> 04:19 [UNKNOWN]: But I just really, yeah, it's just like, I'm ready for after the second episode.
04:19 --> 04:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, okay, tomorrow I can watch the third episode.
04:22 --> 04:27 [UNKNOWN]: But tomorrow, I can't watch the third episode because it's next week, you can.
04:27 --> 04:29 [UNKNOWN]: If you go back to the beginning, Instagram.
04:33 --> 04:48 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but you know, I'm glad the last two weeks each have their own episode and I am assuming that means these are episodes that they think are going to be talked about, obviously we know if there's any larger universe crossovers.
04:48 --> 04:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I am off thinking that this is going to lead into Doomsday, especially because Terry
05:02 --> 05:12 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I would love to do the, um, the chill, I would love to do the children say, and which tells me that that's not thus far being adapted.
05:12 --> 05:13 [UNKNOWN]: And I hope he gets to.
05:13 --> 05:17 [UNKNOWN]: I really hope he gets to after this because, yeah.
05:19 --> 05:22 [UNKNOWN]: But I think we'll get big things in the last two episodes, regardless.
05:22 --> 05:31 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, before we jump straight into spoilers, just a few words, overall thoughts on these two episodes and compared to the first two episodes.
05:33 --> 05:35 [UNKNOWN]: I think I like these two better than the first two.
05:37 --> 05:37 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
05:38 --> 05:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
05:38 --> 05:39 [UNKNOWN]: I can just say that, yeah.
05:40 --> 05:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I mean it's escalating, yeah, yeah, yeah, as it's usual.
05:45 --> 06:02 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, I guess some, I'm so far like four wins for me, and the each episode has its highlights, maybe episode four of this one was my favorite, but maybe it's like just to keep building one on top of the other because you're getting to know the characters and the character interactions and
06:03 --> 06:04 [UNKNOWN]: we're gonna have fun digging into that.
06:04 --> 06:13 [UNKNOWN]: So let's get right into spoilers with just a couple of extra notes before we get into the episode itself.
06:13 --> 06:19 [UNKNOWN]: So just good news in terms of whether we're getting that children's crusades story.
06:20 --> 06:29 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know the Nielsen ratings yet because those are, you know, not reported for like months, but this was number one and just need us this show, the first two episodes.
06:33 --> 06:34 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, so that's a good sign.
06:34 --> 06:36 [UNKNOWN]: So everyone tell your friends to watch it.
06:37 --> 06:41 [UNKNOWN]: And we get to see Wicken and Tommy search for Wanda in the future.
06:43 --> 07:03 [UNKNOWN]: And also, I got an answer for, I asked if there was a significance to Ultron sending that pigeon to M5, port M510 in the first two episodes, and apparently that is a reference to the showrunners, other TV show 12 monkeys, where I guess that's the name of the virus.
07:03 --> 07:07 [UNKNOWN]: And again, I really need to, I think in November, I'm going to watch 12 monkeys.
07:08 --> 07:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I haven't watched that either, so maybe I haven't watched it for two years, so now it's a good time.
07:13 --> 07:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know this is a question that came up a couple times on discord.
07:18 --> 07:28 [UNKNOWN]: I know Marilyn said, I think I saw someone else saying this just now, but we got an email from Fussycoder asking, is it possible that vision will bring back Jarvis?
07:28 --> 07:33 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think a lot of people are wondering or hoping that Jarvis might make a return later?
07:34 --> 07:34 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
07:34 --> 07:35 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want that?
07:35 --> 07:36 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think it's possible?
07:39 --> 07:46 [UNKNOWN]: It is possible, it is possible, and yes, this is amusing, not a speculation, but let's get that clear.
07:47 --> 07:57 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I think it is possible that we will see Jarvis back in the present, not like a flashback or something like that, but we will see Jarvis again, yes.
07:58 --> 08:02 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm not sure if it will be vision of all trying that brings Jarvis back.
08:04 --> 08:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
08:04 --> 08:10 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's a million different ways that they could do it, but I'm not holding my breath personally.
08:11 --> 08:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think yeah, I'm wondering about, okay, so the spoiler warnings out there were going to spoil the two episodes we're talking about today episodes three and four vision quest and I'm wondering about the casting of Mary McDonald as this character who got like two seconds of screen time, and then was vaporized that's I mean maybe we get some to cast a flashbacks.
08:41 --> 08:43 [UNKNOWN]: Like why would she be in this series just for that?
08:44 --> 08:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
08:45 --> 08:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
08:46 --> 08:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's a present into the galaxy.
08:48 --> 08:48 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
08:48 --> 08:49 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
08:49 --> 08:52 [UNKNOWN]: You know, she's holding humanity together here.
08:52 --> 08:55 [UNKNOWN]: Why would we talk about that?
08:55 --> 08:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
08:55 --> 08:57 [UNKNOWN]: That's a stark electric reference.
08:57 --> 08:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
08:58 --> 08:59 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
08:59 --> 09:03 [UNKNOWN]: I think she has to come back at some point in a backstory.
09:03 --> 09:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:05 --> 09:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:06 --> 09:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:07 --> 09:13 [UNKNOWN]: Well, what is your overall fresh takes top takes on episodes three and four?
09:13 --> 09:14 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
09:14 --> 09:14 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
09:14 --> 09:17 [UNKNOWN]: So, uh, and just a warning, right?
09:17 --> 09:22 [UNKNOWN]: Also, we can bring up a associated comics or other things previously released in the MCU.
09:22 --> 09:23 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
09:23 --> 09:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's the story.
09:24 --> 09:29 [UNKNOWN]: So, Jacosta, I mean, we could just pop there if I'm being honest.
09:30 --> 09:34 [UNKNOWN]: But Jacosta, uh, and we'll talk about why she's awesome in this um,
09:36 --> 09:44 [UNKNOWN]: And then as I alluded to earlier, Tommy, we get to see Tommy using his powers immediately, like we didn't have to wait for that to happen.
09:45 --> 10:00 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm so happy about that because I'm tired of shows where we have to wait for the person with powers to show up with powers, like, fuck it, just give us the powers, man, and figure the rest of the shit out later.
10:00 --> 10:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm happy that they didn't hold on to that.
10:05 --> 10:12 [UNKNOWN]: White vision, letting Ultron take control is the whitest visiony shit that he could have done.
10:12 --> 10:22 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, just like, it's like, yes, I'm going to give control to the genocidal maniac.
10:23 --> 10:27 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's like, it's a quote, it's his son, yeah.
10:29 --> 10:47 [UNKNOWN]: like, come on man, come on, this is the most ah, ah, just pisses me off, um, if you're constantly in higher paladin than who did, right, that's the the biggest question I have coming out of the episodes.
10:48 --> 10:53 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I don't have any ideas of
10:59 --> 11:23 [UNKNOWN]: do you have one you do about who I mean we'll definitely talk about this more as we go through but I think there are a few contenders okay I think there's a few different contenders like you know people have brought up the power broker because we saw that there's connections between Paladin and Madrepoor that makes sense but now we hear about I'll thank the 10 rings
11:28 --> 11:39 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, okay, 10 rings on my radar, you know, we are obviously, we talked about before, especially in a preview episode about wondering how many Iron Man connections there might be beyond the AI.
11:39 --> 11:40 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
11:41 --> 11:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
11:43 --> 11:43 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
11:43 --> 11:46 [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, it could be a lot of different things.
11:46 --> 11:51 [UNKNOWN]: Like, could it even, you know, the showrunners and interviews has kind of skirted around it, too.
11:51 --> 11:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like, he's like, oh, it's not that kind of show in terms of, you know, he's like, it's not Dr. Doom.
11:57 --> 11:58 [UNKNOWN]: He's coming.
11:58 --> 12:01 [UNKNOWN]: You know, he's, he confirmed it's not Dr. Doom.
12:01 --> 12:03 [UNKNOWN]: Fine.
12:04 --> 12:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's not that kind of show, but wait, just wait.
12:07 --> 12:07 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
12:07 --> 12:08 [UNKNOWN]: I think it.
12:09 --> 12:16 [UNKNOWN]: might be someone interconnected because why hold back a reveal like that if it's someone new.
12:16 --> 12:21 [UNKNOWN]: So it's either someone already in the show or someone within the wider MCU who've really already know.
12:23 --> 12:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's my thought.
12:24 --> 12:25 [UNKNOWN]: All right, cool.
12:26 --> 12:36 [UNKNOWN]: Also, I didn't know that I wanted a paladin origin story, but this one was really, I felt really cool watching it and I was like, oh, okay,
12:37 --> 12:47 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm kind of glad that they included it because coming out of the first two episodes, I was not like, oh, I need to know how positive it became power that you know what I mean?
12:48 --> 12:57 [UNKNOWN]: And then when we got it, I was just like, oh, okay, this is pretty pretty cool to know why this person is the way that he is.
12:57 --> 12:59 [UNKNOWN]: And is he more sympathetic to you now?
12:59 --> 13:09 [UNKNOWN]: No, but, yes, you know, he's like, out there middle age man, come on, go to therapy, get over this shit, let's do it, let's do it.
13:09 --> 13:22 [UNKNOWN]: But we got, but yeah, he's not one sympathetic, but I do appreciate that they let us know how he became, what he became.
13:22 --> 13:24 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know that I wanted that, and that was cool.
13:30 --> 13:37 [UNKNOWN]: by then who, who else, I mean, we've got like all of them.
13:37 --> 13:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what do you do?
13:39 --> 13:40 [UNKNOWN]: I have questions.
13:41 --> 13:45 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, so we gave comics warnings.
13:46 --> 13:55 [UNKNOWN]: My current comic book read is something I have not yet read, but obviously ties in directly to the show and could be his inspiration various ways.
14:01 --> 14:04 [UNKNOWN]: It's a 12 issue run.
14:04 --> 14:13 [UNKNOWN]: I'm only a couple issues in so far, but anyway, yeah, it's a 12 issue run from 2013, 2014 and it is about the aftermath of age of ultrong.
14:17 --> 14:28 [UNKNOWN]: Where, so in that case, Hank Pym, in the comics case, Hank Pym plays the role that Tony Stark plays in the MCU when it comes to AI, just FYI for people at home.
14:29 --> 14:37 [UNKNOWN]: So Hank Pym helps stop all-tron, but in this, in doing so, we find out, he released this
14:43 --> 14:45 [UNKNOWN]: a bunch of AI vision included.
14:45 --> 14:53 [UNKNOWN]: I know Jacosta and Ultramal show up later in this run have the team up to take down this other AI Dmitriose.
14:53 --> 14:55 [UNKNOWN]: Now, I don't know.
14:55 --> 14:59 [UNKNOWN]: It could be another AI, but it could even be that.
14:59 --> 15:05 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't know that that's an iconic enough character that they would like make it this whole mystery around.
15:07 --> 15:13 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but do you think the handler, do you think the handler herself is an AI?
15:15 --> 15:15 [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
15:16 --> 15:19 [UNKNOWN]: The handler put out the, is the person who's asked.
15:19 --> 15:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm asking is the handler in AI?
15:22 --> 15:24 [UNKNOWN]: She could be, oh, good point.
15:24 --> 15:24 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
15:25 --> 15:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, good point.
15:26 --> 15:27 [UNKNOWN]: She could be.
15:27 --> 15:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was singing about the client.
15:28 --> 15:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
15:29 --> 15:29 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's the client.
15:29 --> 15:31 [UNKNOWN]: The handler is not handler in AI.
15:33 --> 15:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
15:34 --> 15:34 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's a good point.
15:35 --> 15:35 [UNKNOWN]: She could well be.
15:36 --> 15:58 [UNKNOWN]: Because if the handlers in AI, then that get as a whole other avenue that we need to explore about Paladin and his role in the show, what is the show really telling us about the characters that we're watching, like who can, who is who?
16:06 --> 16:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a speculation that we said.
16:07 --> 16:23 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, you're using good, good, you're using good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good
16:24 --> 16:25 [UNKNOWN]: You know what Yelp's out loud.
16:26 --> 16:27 [UNKNOWN]: I know you did, I know you did.
16:27 --> 16:29 [UNKNOWN]: When we heard about where we were finite.
16:30 --> 16:35 [UNKNOWN]: I know you did, so I mean, this is amazing for the folks who were like, we're a building.
16:35 --> 16:37 [UNKNOWN]: This is where a building, right?
16:37 --> 16:47 [UNKNOWN]: This is connective tissue to other Marvel properties that someone like the paladin you wouldn't expect to give it to you, but you got it, you know?
16:48 --> 16:58 [UNKNOWN]: And then finally, I was wondering, is white vision truly Tommy Foller, since he's not that vision?
17:00 --> 17:01 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's his question.
17:01 --> 17:10 [UNKNOWN]: Is it, do you, because I didn't ask it before I mocked white vision earlier, for not wanting to be a father?
17:11 --> 17:27 [UNKNOWN]: But in this episode, I'm like, these two episodes three and four, the thought I had was like, is he really their father, just because he has the memories of white vision and not the experience, he never experienced those things.
17:28 --> 17:32 [UNKNOWN]: But he just, that's my question and that's what I'm asking.
17:33 --> 17:36 [UNKNOWN]: Is there a few, I mean, this is, this is also a question.
17:36 --> 17:50 [UNKNOWN]: There's brought up in the first season of X-Men 97 with, you know, you have two characters who have memories of bearing and raising a son.
17:50 --> 17:54 [UNKNOWN]: He does it matter, which one of them physically was the one who did it.
17:55 --> 17:58 [UNKNOWN]: If they have all the memories.
18:03 --> 18:24 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I definitely fall on the side of, I mean, I think also, it comes down to, there's a lot of, there's some, a couple of themes that keep coming up again and again that we'll talk about as we go through this episode, but one of them is definitely, what does it mean to be the real something, the real pallet in, the real human, et cetera?
18:25 --> 18:30 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, this, this definitely ties into that, what does it mean to be a real father?
18:31 --> 18:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I think, you know, you don't have to be a biological father at all, which vision regardless isn't, right?
18:39 --> 18:43 [UNKNOWN]: Because you know, it's big.
18:43 --> 18:50 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, but then what does it mean in the case of magic, mind-stone magic, Wanda Chaos Magic?
18:50 --> 18:54 [UNKNOWN]: What does it mean to be a biological father?
18:54 --> 18:59 [UNKNOWN]: He's obviously given some traits to tell me that we see, especially in this episode.
19:02 --> 19:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think for me, the key is later on in the episode, Vision slips, he makes him slips later when he's feeling relaxed at the gala and things are going well with Tommy and everything.
19:17 --> 19:22 [UNKNOWN]: And one of the slips he makes is he says, Wanda used to tell me,
19:23 --> 19:24 [UNKNOWN]: And Tommy calls him on it.
19:24 --> 19:28 [UNKNOWN]: And he's like, oh, me now, not the other vision.
19:29 --> 19:41 [UNKNOWN]: And I think we see that this vision is rejecting it because maybe he doesn't want the responsibility of the mantle of being that vision who did and went through all that stuff and who lost Wanda.
19:44 --> 19:46 [UNKNOWN]: But now that his son is here.
19:48 --> 19:58 [UNKNOWN]: it gives him, I mean, yeah, another thing, this is like somewhat ten gently related, but when he and all trainers, you know, he's gonna do the reboot.
19:59 --> 20:10 [UNKNOWN]: And Tommy is, sorry, he and Ultron are sitting in the movie theater, and Ultron's like, no, let's not watch your past, his life, it's flashing before his eyes.
20:10 --> 20:14 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, let's watch your future and show his wand of vision.
20:14 --> 20:16 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, this isn't the future, this already happened.
20:16 --> 20:20 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron said, isn't it the future, couldn't it be?
20:22 --> 20:27 [UNKNOWN]: And I think we're seeing that vision is now admitting to himself that he
20:28 --> 20:34 [UNKNOWN]: He's different, but he, not really, he's the rebuilt parts of that vision.
20:35 --> 20:39 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess, you know, and with the memories of one division.
20:40 --> 20:40 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
20:40 --> 20:49 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess I have to start looking at it like vision from one division, so was put into white vision.
21:01 --> 21:18 [UNKNOWN]: So, so they both like Tommy in the first two episodes is telling us he has like this, he's lived two lives, right, and both of them are in his head, so why division is going through the same thing?
21:20 --> 21:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, but white men didn't exist until he was rebuilt.
21:25 --> 21:34 [UNKNOWN]: And so his only memories are the combined memories of the body that he inhabits and the memories that WandaVision put in his head.
21:35 --> 21:45 [UNKNOWN]: So white, so we're saying, white vision and WandaVision, what we first see white vision is a complete tabla rasa, nothing.
21:47 --> 21:50 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, I got to go back to the series to find out.
21:51 --> 21:57 [UNKNOWN]: He must have had some programing latent, but had not switched it on yet.
21:57 --> 22:10 [UNKNOWN]: And actually the showrunner in an interview did say something to that effect that, yeah, it, he didn't really switch on those memories until his interaction with one division in that show.
22:11 --> 22:11 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
22:12 --> 22:24 [UNKNOWN]: with the ship of the easiest thing and yeah that's the whole question is the ship of the easiest is he still the same being or not if he's been completely rebuilt yeah or is he the king saving the children?
22:27 --> 22:32 [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's, any other top level thoughts on this episode?
22:32 --> 22:34 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, let's, let's get into it.
22:34 --> 22:38 [UNKNOWN]: All right, all right, let's get into the full episode breakdown.
22:38 --> 22:40 [UNKNOWN]: We'll talk one plot arc at a time.
22:41 --> 22:42 [UNKNOWN]: Not seem my scene.
22:42 --> 22:44 [UNKNOWN]: We'll do both episodes mixed together.
22:45 --> 22:47 [UNKNOWN]: So make sure you're caught up through episode four.
22:48 --> 22:50 [UNKNOWN]: And for this rounds,
22:50 --> 23:06 [UNKNOWN]: Both episodes were directed by Ganja Montero, who also directed three episodes of Agatha all along, and did episodes of, like, Pleurbus, Paradise, Monarch, like you've seen monsters, Wednesday, brand new cherry flavors, so quite prolific.
23:07 --> 23:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, like, a good throughline, also to have the directors of Agatha all along back, because we're not getting enough mention of that show.
23:19 --> 23:29 [UNKNOWN]: Episode 3, it's called reboot, where Vision and Thomas bond with each other as they run away from Paladin and Paladin finds a way to recover after his fight with Vision.
23:30 --> 23:37 [UNKNOWN]: This episode is written by Cindy Apple, who's known for writing like Desperate Housewives and also five episodes of Picard from the same showrunner.
23:38 --> 23:39 [UNKNOWN]: Episode 4, Malware.
23:41 --> 23:55 [UNKNOWN]: Beijing comes face-to-face with his assailants while investigating whether Tommy Shepard is his son, and this one was written by Michael Taylor, a known for like Star Trek Voyager, Deep Space, now in Battle Star Galactica, um, Capricot, dead zone.
23:58 --> 24:08 [UNKNOWN]: Let's start with with this whole Bond and reboot storyline between vision and Tommy, which is kind of the soul of these two episodes I suppose.
24:09 --> 24:20 [UNKNOWN]: Did you notice this station wagon and Tommy stole at the end of the last episode was covered with conspiracy stuff like this is not our Earth.
24:21 --> 24:49 [UNKNOWN]: uh... blip trussers yeah uh... he finds a t-shirt get a grip don't believe the blip yeah which totally makes sense to me yeah but okay but if you lived through the blip you'd notice people disappeared for five years right like half the world yeah yeah and there will be someone who didn't have anyone around them disappeared tell you that you're nuts
24:51 --> 24:51 [UNKNOWN]: they didn't happen.
24:52 --> 25:17 [UNKNOWN]: That is all a sia or like people just misremember they think misremember no I think people being honestly people being people and if they didn't experience it there I'm sure there are people who did not lose anyone and they will look at people who are telling them this happened and I'm like no then the government got you
25:18 --> 25:30 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, also this part of it, this is not our earth, so they think they jumped to another universe.
25:30 --> 25:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they're going to feel justified once they find out about the other universes.
25:36 --> 25:37 [UNKNOWN]: That's frustrating thing.
25:39 --> 25:42 [UNKNOWN]: Just because you're right about that doesn't mean you're right about the whole thing.
25:48 --> 25:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I like this.
25:50 --> 25:59 [UNKNOWN]: We immediately get this dynamic where visions trying to dad tell me about how he drives and stuff and tell me's like, can we just start at step one?
25:59 --> 26:01 [UNKNOWN]: Like, what the fuck were you been?
26:02 --> 26:03 [UNKNOWN]: What's, how can you be my father?
26:05 --> 26:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in vision is just not buying into it to start.
26:10 --> 26:17 [UNKNOWN]: He says, look, Thomas, if my being a parent or even remotely possible, it would have nothing to do with me and everything to do with Wanda Maxmoff.
26:18 --> 26:21 [UNKNOWN]: He's, yeah, it goes back to why vision doesn't want to be a dad.
26:22 --> 26:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
26:23 --> 26:28 [UNKNOWN]: He's ponding it off, like, even if you are that Tommy, that's all Wanda.
26:28 --> 26:29 [UNKNOWN]: Right, God doesn't do it with me.
26:31 --> 26:32 [UNKNOWN]: That wasn't, I wasn't.
26:32 --> 26:33 [UNKNOWN]: They got nothing to do with it.
26:33 --> 26:36 [UNKNOWN]: Wasn't me, wasn't me, and I take the DNA.
26:36 --> 26:37 [UNKNOWN]: Can we get more of you out here?
26:39 --> 26:43 [UNKNOWN]: I need to decimate, I need more of you.
26:44 --> 26:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I suppose the more a moment was when Tommy later put his hand through the uh, vending machine.
26:53 --> 26:54 [UNKNOWN]: You think so?
26:54 --> 26:55 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think so.
26:55 --> 26:57 [UNKNOWN]: That's the DNA test come back positive, yeah.
26:57 --> 26:59 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think that's the speed.
26:59 --> 27:00 [UNKNOWN]: Speed allows you to do that.
27:00 --> 27:02 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think he was a phasing thing.
27:02 --> 27:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
27:02 --> 27:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, but he's able to to to to He can manipulate his molecules in the comics.
27:07 --> 27:09 [UNKNOWN]: And so that's how he can do phasing stuff.
27:09 --> 27:13 [UNKNOWN]: But still, he's manipulating electricity and.
27:13 --> 27:14 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, yeah, yes, you're right.
27:14 --> 27:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
27:16 --> 27:17 [UNKNOWN]: That was true.
27:19 --> 27:30 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so the father son on the run from Paladin and his drones and vision is glitching and in both physicality and emotions, and it is, yeah, yes.
27:33 --> 27:41 [UNKNOWN]: I tell you, if these trousers haven't been simulated, I was just about to fill them with something a synth, this is like, can't produce, as I've seen, really funny.
27:41 --> 27:45 [UNKNOWN]: And you, who must have done that for me?
27:48 --> 27:49 [UNKNOWN]: What is this?
27:50 --> 27:51 [UNKNOWN]: Grave them!
27:51 --> 27:54 [UNKNOWN]: We're playing in the last... Love!
27:54 --> 27:56 [UNKNOWN]: Come over that thing!
27:57 --> 27:57 [UNKNOWN]: Anna!
27:58 --> 28:00 [UNKNOWN]: My brother is the Messiah!
28:00 --> 28:00 [UNKNOWN]: No!
28:00 --> 28:01 [UNKNOWN]: Let it go!
28:02 --> 28:03 [UNKNOWN]: A SORRY BAM!
28:04 --> 28:06 [UNKNOWN]: For the race!
28:07 --> 28:07 [UNKNOWN]: No!
28:09 --> 28:09 [UNKNOWN]: Ah!
28:10 --> 28:10 [UNKNOWN]: Ah!
28:10 --> 28:11 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
28:11 --> 28:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
28:12 --> 28:13 [UNKNOWN]: The Gizmian.
28:13 --> 28:14 [UNKNOWN]: We picked up the op-ed-eye.
28:18 --> 28:20 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that won't be funny to freak you real fast.
28:20 --> 28:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it did, yeah, it did.
28:24 --> 28:43 [UNKNOWN]: It reminds me a little bit of the vision volume one comics from the 90s, just it's just the we talks about in the preview episode, just the four issue thing, just because it's like about him being like, emotions coming back, motion sometimes suck, but this, yeah, this glitching was really well done.
28:44 --> 28:44 [UNKNOWN]: Well.
28:45 --> 28:47 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then was okay.
28:47 --> 28:48 [UNKNOWN]: So vision.
28:48 --> 28:49 [UNKNOWN]: He knows things are going wrong.
28:50 --> 28:52 [UNKNOWN]: He's actively leaking coolant.
28:52 --> 28:56 [UNKNOWN]: And I won't bore people with the real world research being done into.
28:56 --> 28:57 [UNKNOWN]: You're not going to do it.
28:58 --> 28:58 [UNKNOWN]: Not on my wife.
28:58 --> 28:59 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just not going to do it.
28:59 --> 29:00 [UNKNOWN]: You're not going to do it.
29:00 --> 29:01 [UNKNOWN]: You're not going to do it.
29:01 --> 29:02 [UNKNOWN]: You're not going to do it.
29:02 --> 29:03 [UNKNOWN]: You're not going to do it.
29:03 --> 29:03 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway.
29:04 --> 29:05 [UNKNOWN]: In the show.
29:07 --> 29:10 [UNKNOWN]: Just say, there's some interesting things to do with each other.
29:10 --> 29:23 [UNKNOWN]: In the show, it's something called a Horton Cryo Isotope is a super coolant for micro quantum computers, which is what they are saying vision is and also jacosta.
29:24 --> 29:34 [UNKNOWN]: And so, they're both leaking it for various reasons, him because of Paladin her because some of the people she is killing, kill, uh, fight back.
29:36 --> 29:41 [UNKNOWN]: And so Paladin's accidentally following the wrong one, we'll go back to there, but, um,
29:42 --> 29:42 [UNKNOWN]: vision.
29:43 --> 29:45 [UNKNOWN]: He's he's leaking.
29:45 --> 29:46 [UNKNOWN]: He's glitching.
29:47 --> 29:49 [UNKNOWN]: He won't go to banner for help.
29:49 --> 29:53 [UNKNOWN]: Stark is dead and Sean, you made an excellent point in the discord, which is.
29:53 --> 29:56 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, Sherry.
29:59 --> 30:01 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, she's right there.
30:02 --> 30:06 [UNKNOWN]: She's just a short flight away to Wakanda.
30:07 --> 30:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's a call.
30:08 --> 30:09 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, do me a favor.
30:09 --> 30:12 [UNKNOWN]: Wakanda is pretty far, but yeah, you can pick up a phone.
30:13 --> 30:14 [UNKNOWN]: What kind of definitely has telephords?
30:15 --> 30:16 [UNKNOWN]: It's given a call.
30:16 --> 30:16 [UNKNOWN]: Grio is there.
30:16 --> 30:20 [UNKNOWN]: Grio is another AI that, you know, is there.
30:20 --> 30:21 [UNKNOWN]: This is doing a government.
30:22 --> 30:24 [UNKNOWN]: Expand your friend list, why vision?
30:24 --> 30:25 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm saying?
30:26 --> 30:29 [UNKNOWN]: Get outside of your comfort zone and meet people.
30:30 --> 30:31 [UNKNOWN]: Why vision?
30:31 --> 30:33 [UNKNOWN]: Don't just hold up and enclaves.
30:34 --> 30:45 [UNKNOWN]: But this is a thing, is he remembers being in Wakanda and Shuri, like trying to help him when Thanos was after his mind stone.
30:46 --> 30:51 [UNKNOWN]: So he should remember Shuri because he met Shuri, Shuri tried to back him up.
30:52 --> 30:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he doesn't consider Shuri a friend.
30:54 --> 30:55 [UNKNOWN]: He apparently not.
30:56 --> 30:57 [UNKNOWN]: Apparently not.
30:57 --> 31:01 [UNKNOWN]: He consider Shuri a friend or genius intellect, obviously.
31:02 --> 31:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I want to lie.
31:04 --> 31:04 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
31:06 --> 31:08 [UNKNOWN]: Let white vision think about what he's done.
31:10 --> 31:16 [UNKNOWN]: But there's some his glitches have some pros, like he hiccups and the ATM starts speeding up catch.
31:18 --> 31:22 [UNKNOWN]: And he has he has quams, but he's also learning the need for fuzzy morality.
31:22 --> 31:24 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think was he in the wrong?
31:26 --> 31:27 [UNKNOWN]: in taking that money at that point.
31:28 --> 31:30 [UNKNOWN]: You take the money a thousand percent of the time.
31:30 --> 31:30 [UNKNOWN]: Come on.
31:31 --> 31:32 [UNKNOWN]: Take the money.
31:33 --> 31:42 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, in that case, it's not like actively, I'm less concerned about hurting banks than hurting people who really need the money, which in this case was them.
31:44 --> 31:46 [UNKNOWN]: But he's worried about being a poor role model to Tommy.
31:47 --> 31:50 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder if this is if there might be a villain turn going on.
31:50 --> 31:51 [UNKNOWN]: We've talked about this before.
31:53 --> 31:59 [UNKNOWN]: And I love that Tommy, he's takes after his mom and being comforted by classic television.
31:59 --> 32:01 [UNKNOWN]: Did you use to watch small wonder?
32:02 --> 32:02 [UNKNOWN]: No.
32:03 --> 32:04 [UNKNOWN]: I used to love small wonder.
32:04 --> 32:07 [UNKNOWN]: I was just same ages like the Vicki actress, I think.
32:07 --> 32:09 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure, I don't know.
32:10 --> 32:11 [UNKNOWN]: But I was at least at age when I watched it.
32:12 --> 32:12 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
32:13 --> 32:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Vicki is a robot in small wonder who is being passed off as an adopted child to people, but yeah, so very appropriate here.
32:26 --> 32:33 [UNKNOWN]: And yes, small wonder is just to date myself is from 1989.
32:35 --> 32:39 [UNKNOWN]: I guess I must have watched in syndication because I was rather young then.
32:40 --> 32:48 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, then we find out that Tommy has been reading about Wanda and Vision's great love and a book about this nap.
32:48 --> 32:49 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
32:50 --> 32:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, tell us talk about that.
32:51 --> 32:54 [UNKNOWN]: How did you process that plot point and what does that mean for Tommy?
32:55 --> 33:03 [UNKNOWN]: No, just I love, when I say I love this, I love that they make and references to the thing, the big thing that happened on the planet Earth.
33:04 --> 33:10 [UNKNOWN]: You know, with the trusser, the blip trussers, the t-shirts, the bumper stickers, and now with this, you know, book.
33:11 --> 33:13 [UNKNOWN]: about the SNAP.
33:13 --> 33:20 [UNKNOWN]: How no regular human, non-superpowered humans are dealing with the aftermath of what Thanos did.
33:21 --> 33:24 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a welcome, I welcome that actually.
33:25 --> 33:34 [UNKNOWN]: You know, they don't have to give me, you know, an entire series about it, but just put it out there that people were really affected by this thing and, you know, and
33:35 --> 33:38 [UNKNOWN]: responses to this thing, you know what I mean?
33:38 --> 33:55 [UNKNOWN]: So to act like that history isn't history to the rest of the world, it's crazy to me, it has always been crazy to me, and I like that they given, you know, like little snippets about how the rest of the world has reacted to the snap.
33:56 --> 33:58 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to take a quick break, be right back.
34:17 --> 34:26 [UNKNOWN]: we were talking about the snap and how it's being acknowledged here because of course it does drive everything that happens after that.
34:27 --> 34:28 [UNKNOWN]: But what did you think?
34:28 --> 34:39 [UNKNOWN]: I was so relieved when we figured out that vision was running a simulation and not telling Tommy that his familial
34:45 --> 34:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you know, that's the thing, like you go through these, when you're going to have a talk, whatever the talk may be, you run through that talk before you have the talk.
34:58 --> 35:06 [UNKNOWN]: You know what your friend, your spouse, your child, whatever, you know your parents, your siblings,
35:07 --> 35:22 [UNKNOWN]: And there's something that you need to let them know about you just you run that conversation in your head thinking about it before you do it unless it's something that happened, you know, like right didn't there, but I thought that was really, you know, cool.
35:23 --> 35:26 [UNKNOWN]: to see a super computer basically do that thing.
35:26 --> 35:41 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean, like run through all these simulations that, you know, without running through thousands of them at the time, but we do run through those simulations when we're about to engage in some, you know, life altering, um, events.
35:42 --> 35:46 [UNKNOWN]: Is that a superpower you wish you had as a parent to be able to run through a thousand simulations?
35:46 --> 35:50 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, because I would drive myself insane.
35:50 --> 35:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's for myself.
35:53 --> 35:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm already, I'm already going through it.
35:55 --> 35:57 [UNKNOWN]: I don't need to go through it, I was in full.
36:02 --> 36:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't really work out vision runs all these simulations, he's like, how can I talk to Tommy about his skepticism about the whole situation without Tommy storming off?
36:13 --> 36:25 [UNKNOWN]: And ultimately, it doesn't work, even though Ultron's telling him to be less blunt, he says, you're such a winger, the notion that objective reality not only exists,
36:31 --> 36:41 [UNKNOWN]: I love that, like, the objective reality even exists, but somehow endows the beholder with virtue, like, even if you are right, do you think that makes you a better person?
36:42 --> 36:44 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly, exactly.
36:44 --> 36:54 [UNKNOWN]: And another thing too, it's like a cool, for me, him running through those simulations is just like, Dr.
36:54 --> 36:56 [UNKNOWN]: Strange running through the simulations.
36:57 --> 37:13 [UNKNOWN]: and infinity war, the way he comes back and he's like, I've run the data, I did the simulations, I went through a million possible outcomes, the timelines, and there's only one that this works.
37:13 --> 37:14 [UNKNOWN]: And you know what I mean?
37:14 --> 37:23 [UNKNOWN]: So to see vision basically doing the same thing on a much smaller scale was really interesting that they chose to show it that way.
37:23 --> 37:25 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah.
37:26 --> 37:36 [UNKNOWN]: And I was just thinking about, you know, Ultron is pretty brutal to vision after in this line of questioning, but I think he was also demonstrating a point about bluntness.
37:36 --> 37:43 [UNKNOWN]: He says to vision, why don't you just skip to the part where she crush herself with a mountain because she was sad.
37:43 --> 37:47 [UNKNOWN]: She just said, you have friends like that.
37:48 --> 37:49 [UNKNOWN]: Have you ever had friends like that?
37:50 --> 37:51 [UNKNOWN]: What, who are that blunt?
37:52 --> 37:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
37:52 --> 37:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
37:53 --> 37:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
37:54 --> 37:55 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
37:55 --> 37:59 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, this is more typical here.
37:59 --> 38:03 [UNKNOWN]: I think than in the US, here in the Netherlands, for anyone who doesn't know.
38:05 --> 38:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I think that Ultron, because like I was thinking about a compared to the way he talks before example, either later, and I think he's so blunt here because he realizes that vision needs that sort of shock treatment to understand, like don't talk to this kid like that.
38:21 --> 38:21 [UNKNOWN]: Great.
38:21 --> 38:21 [UNKNOWN]: Great.
38:22 --> 38:22 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
38:24 --> 38:26 [UNKNOWN]: But you have vision is still worried.
38:26 --> 38:28 [UNKNOWN]: He's just putting Tommy and more danger.
38:28 --> 38:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, what did you think about the whole progression of Tommy getting his hands stuck in this neck machine?
38:37 --> 38:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was...
38:43 --> 38:58 [UNKNOWN]: waiting for his hand to bleed, you know, I'm glad, because he got, it was like, the glass, you know, like super heat and now it's not, it's no longer sharp, you know, it's around his wrist.
38:58 --> 38:59 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah.
38:59 --> 39:02 [UNKNOWN]: Like, is his hand going to fall off, what's happening here?
39:03 --> 39:06 [UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, that was the only thing that I was concerned with.
39:08 --> 39:10 [UNKNOWN]: are they chopping off Tommy's hand?
39:10 --> 39:12 [UNKNOWN]: What was that?
39:12 --> 39:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then he re-grows.
39:13 --> 39:13 [UNKNOWN]: No.
39:14 --> 39:15 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have that power.
39:17 --> 39:20 [UNKNOWN]: No, I actually would make sense because we see that he speeds.
39:20 --> 39:24 [UNKNOWN]: He goes so fast that he generates a ton of heat.
39:24 --> 39:27 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, he could be melting the glass smoothly around it.
39:28 --> 39:28 [UNKNOWN]: But...
39:30 --> 39:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was just thinking as he like broke it, you know, breaking, taking his hand back out.
39:35 --> 39:43 [UNKNOWN]: I was just thinking, you know, I hope that there are no security cameras pointed at this machine, as you imagine there would be, because that would be an expensive hotel bill.
39:43 --> 39:47 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think they care about accidental superpower realization.
39:47 --> 39:52 [UNKNOWN]: It was kind of like, it wasn't a tool upscale like a
39:59 --> 40:26 [UNKNOWN]: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and also i was thinking like from a view over his shoulder or something what it would have looked like he just punched the machine but it does lead to this charming moment between father and son it's fine i'm at south par many pack yeah eight world titles and a pack yeah eight world titles
40:27 --> 40:29 [UNKNOWN]: Are you actually into boxing, or are you just googling smart talk?
40:30 --> 40:36 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just taking a couple of micro seconds to think it over, and I think I'm actually quite into boxing.
40:36 --> 40:40 [UNKNOWN]: The great pugilists have a balance of grace and power.
40:41 --> 40:42 [UNKNOWN]: I admire.
40:43 --> 40:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's a balance, the old me, seem to find effortlessly.
40:48 --> 40:48 [UNKNOWN]: There you are.
40:50 --> 40:55 [UNKNOWN]: So there you are with his whole fixing baby boys, hamburger, boo, boo, the structure.
40:55 --> 40:57 [UNKNOWN]: So lovely interaction, yeah.
40:58 --> 41:02 [UNKNOWN]: Which I've done, you know, got to distract someone from the pain.
41:02 --> 41:08 [UNKNOWN]: And so you're trying to take their mind off of what's going on, off of the blood and all of these things.
41:08 --> 41:12 [UNKNOWN]: And you're talking about something completely different from what's actually happening.
41:13 --> 41:14 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
41:15 --> 41:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that's a good point.
41:17 --> 41:29 [UNKNOWN]: I was also just thinking, yeah, just because I also imagine this is an apparent child thing where you sometimes learn your child has an interest.
41:29 --> 41:32 [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, oh, you're just being interested in it to talk to me.
41:32 --> 41:33 [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, well, right.
41:34 --> 41:36 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, on the one hand, what's wrong with that?
41:36 --> 41:44 [UNKNOWN]: On the other hand, vision, he's like, no, actually, now that I just learned about it, learn about this subject.
41:45 --> 41:46 [UNKNOWN]: I like this, actually.
41:46 --> 41:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:51 --> 42:01 [UNKNOWN]: One of the other themes that I noticed as a throughline throughout this episode is this theme, like, wand of vision was a lot about processing grief, about
42:02 --> 42:07 [UNKNOWN]: about the loss of others, and here there's this theme about
42:08 --> 42:36 [UNKNOWN]: grappling with your own death, but also a lot of characters not actually being so afraid of their own death, like suffering more for the death of others and for the death of themselves, the thought of their own vision says to Tommy, I've been dead before, so you're not afraid of dying, no, everything that is once wasn't and soon enough won't be know what I fear is that while I'm still alive, I'll never understand my purpose, so it's about making the most of being
42:41 --> 42:48 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think that makes sense or do you think I think a lot of parents worry more about the death of their child than themselves perhaps?
42:49 --> 42:50 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
42:51 --> 42:51 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
42:53 --> 43:02 [UNKNOWN]: But I also fear, you know, not just myself, but in talking to other folks leaving your child behind, you know what I mean?
43:09 --> 43:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the drone scare was a good scare moment when he like pulls Tommy.
43:15 --> 43:19 [UNKNOWN]: He gets the alert in his head and he pulls Tommy away from the window.
43:20 --> 43:32 [UNKNOWN]: Did were you faked out like did you because then eventually the drone gets called away and it turns out that they are after Jocosta unknowingly not realizing the vision as it was actually in the so-called.
43:33 --> 43:34 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of that fake out?
43:35 --> 43:45 [UNKNOWN]: I thought I was well done, I liked it because I thought they were coming for them as well and it turned out it wasn't and I was like, oh, nice, nice slide of hand there.
43:47 --> 43:47 [UNKNOWN]: So I was cool with it.
43:49 --> 44:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I mean, I don't, I think I figured out, I didn't figure out necessarily, why I guess when you cast a popped up out in scream, I was like, oh, okay, maybe it's going there, but I didn't think that they were going to get caught just then by that drum for some reason.
44:05 --> 44:08 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right, maybe I didn't, I didn't figure it out.
44:11 --> 44:13 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh shit, I hope it's the cost.
44:13 --> 44:15 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's a good moment of tension, my gosh.
44:20 --> 44:25 [UNKNOWN]: And then we find out, I mean, because, of course, vision, he needs to repair himself before he's ready to face anyone.
44:26 --> 44:30 [UNKNOWN]: And we find out his core processes are stuck in a boot loop.
44:30 --> 44:34 [UNKNOWN]: So he needs to unplug and refug, he needs to reboot.
44:35 --> 44:42 [UNKNOWN]: and he needs, he needs to go in the pool, which as a coolant, you know, so he doesn't overheat and explode during this process.
44:43 --> 44:50 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, this is a problem for Tommy because he associates the pool with accidentally boiling some kids.
44:51 --> 44:52 [UNKNOWN]: They didn't die, right?
44:52 --> 44:53 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know.
44:53 --> 44:54 [UNKNOWN]: No, they didn't.
44:54 --> 44:54 [UNKNOWN]: No.
44:55 --> 44:56 [UNKNOWN]: They just were freaked out.
44:56 --> 44:57 [UNKNOWN]: I think they all got out.
44:58 --> 44:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:59 --> 44:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:59 --> 45:00 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe some light burning.
45:02 --> 45:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's freaked out by the idea of a pool.
45:04 --> 45:07 [UNKNOWN]: We've seen him reacting to that so far.
45:08 --> 45:17 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it also means the Tommy has to control his powers enough to be the energy source to reboot vision.
45:18 --> 45:20 [UNKNOWN]: And so this means
45:21 --> 45:30 [UNKNOWN]: Tommy has to believe in himself, but it also I think the key to unlocking Tommy believing in himself is that vision now suddenly believes in him.
45:30 --> 45:34 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, yeah, no, yeah, I believe you do have these superpowers.
45:34 --> 45:34 [UNKNOWN]: You are my son.
45:35 --> 45:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:37 --> 45:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's not something you just created in your mind.
45:39 --> 45:41 [UNKNOWN]: It's real.
45:42 --> 45:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
45:45 --> 45:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:46 --> 45:50 [UNKNOWN]: And the reboot switch we find out is behind the synthetic man portrait.
45:50 --> 45:53 [UNKNOWN]: We'll come back to that character at the gala discussion.
45:54 --> 45:58 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron, this is where he shows vision, the future to motivate him.
45:58 --> 46:01 [UNKNOWN]: The past doesn't make someone want to wake up the future does.
46:02 --> 46:03 [UNKNOWN]: Swam division.
46:03 --> 46:06 [UNKNOWN]: And then this is, this isn't the future.
46:06 --> 46:07 [UNKNOWN]: Are you sure about that?
46:07 --> 46:09 [UNKNOWN]: What did you, what do you think that means?
46:09 --> 46:10 [UNKNOWN]: Or what did you think when you heard that?
46:11 --> 46:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
46:14 --> 46:22 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what it means when he says this isn't the future, and then, you know, people are like, like, sure about that.
46:23 --> 46:29 [UNKNOWN]: Because I think Ultron is playing obviously playing a game, at this point, that's what I thought.
46:30 --> 46:36 [UNKNOWN]: And the ultimate end goal was always to gain control over the vision's body.
46:37 --> 46:43 [UNKNOWN]: So he has rested interest in making sure that vision doesn't explode.
46:45 --> 46:50 [UNKNOWN]: Because the vision explodes and that's it for him for all trying.
46:50 --> 47:04 [UNKNOWN]: And so I think the way I took it was that all trying is just using every sort of emotional, you know, chest piece moving across the board to get vision to allow
47:07 --> 47:11 [UNKNOWN]: something like this to happen, where he is saved by Tommy.
47:13 --> 47:14 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's just a Ultron plane.
47:16 --> 47:17 [UNKNOWN]: That's just, yeah.
47:18 --> 47:23 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, he wants you to obviously, he wants vision to wake back up because he's tied to that lifeboat.
47:25 --> 47:40 [UNKNOWN]: And so, it's interesting to me, even if you take a more cynical view of Ultron, which, you know, we know that it's going to break down that way, then I'm going to be like, no, but I think Ultron, no champions.
47:43 --> 47:59 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but even if you take a more cynical view of Ultron, it is interesting that he shows him this, A, I think, maybe, you know, if I take my own cynical view, I'm like, it's the showrunner saying, let me do a walk some, what, maximum, family reunion show next.
47:59 --> 48:06 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but, it, the fact that Ultron shows this division also suggests that Ultron does see
48:08 --> 48:20 [UNKNOWN]: the that there is maybe a little more humanity in vision than like Ultron pretends he's the one who's the expert on for humanity, but vision has actually experienced more of it himself and is more affected by it.
48:21 --> 48:28 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Ultron sees himself as more a distant observer of humanity than he sees.
48:28 --> 48:29 [UNKNOWN]: I agree with that.
48:29 --> 48:30 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely agree with that.
48:33 --> 48:35 [UNKNOWN]: My vision wakes back up.
48:35 --> 48:40 [UNKNOWN]: He says, I'm strange a human in my life, flash before my eyes.
48:40 --> 48:47 [UNKNOWN]: And this is also, I think, for vision, a turning point in his self identity questions.
48:49 --> 48:54 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to recap what happened with Tommy and why he was afraid of the pool in the first place?
48:56 --> 48:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like, what do you think this mean?
48:57 --> 48:58 [UNKNOWN]: What happened?
48:58 --> 49:04 [UNKNOWN]: And what does this mean for Tommy versus Billy in terms of the reincarnation experience?
49:05 --> 49:21 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think this one was for Tommy, you know, almost drowning, whereas Billy inhabited someone who had already passed who was in a car crash about to pass away.
49:26 --> 49:51 [UNKNOWN]: singular personal moment was this Tommy that this body that Tommy inhabited was in a very public way because there are many other people around and the soul comes crashing into the body in a pool and it's just like it's weirdly I think contributes to why he feels the way that he feels
49:52 --> 50:13 [UNKNOWN]: because there's so much going on around that act, whereas Billy was really, I don't want to say, I don't want to describe it as a quieter way, but it was just so much more what's the word I'm looking for?
50:15 --> 50:18 [UNKNOWN]: sedated, that makes sense.
50:19 --> 50:25 [UNKNOWN]: There wasn't as much going on around Billy when that soul inhabited that body.
50:25 --> 50:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Tommy's soul going into that boy in the pool with other kids around and immediately the power is manifesting causing you know the water to start to boil.
50:40 --> 50:47 [UNKNOWN]: I think that has a lot to do with why Tommy is the way that we see him in episodes one in two.
50:49 --> 50:58 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas opposed Billy didn't have that traumatic experience, aside from waking up in the body of a dead boy, which is traumatic enough.
50:59 --> 51:01 [UNKNOWN]: Right, but he doesn't remember the car crash or anything.
51:02 --> 51:04 [UNKNOWN]: Right, but Tommy has all of these things going on.
51:05 --> 51:08 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's why we see him in the state that he is in those first two episodes.
51:09 --> 51:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's interesting how they each got something that the other twin doesn't where Tommy has
51:21 --> 51:48 [UNKNOWN]: kind of both experiences to directly pull from in terms of memories, but he landed in the rougher situation, you know, where he was an orphan and in the system and all of that, whereas Billy had a softer landing in terms of his situation that he was reincarnated into with this, the Kaplan family, this nice family who loved him, you know, a nice home, but he
51:49 --> 52:11 [UNKNOWN]: had the more jarring experience in a way as you say of just like yeah he didn't have that traumatic moment of activating his powers at the moment of inhabiting of inhabiting his body but he had the more disorienting experience perhaps I should say of just waking up in a random body and being like I I don't remember anything who am I what am I yeah
52:14 --> 52:20 [UNKNOWN]: like an emptier experience in a way, whereas Tommy's was like over-full by comparison.
52:24 --> 52:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I can't wait to see them interact.
52:29 --> 52:37 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to hold my breath for it to have it in this show, but I would not mind if we at least got like a scene interacting at the end or something like that.
52:37 --> 52:40 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that would be cool.
52:40 --> 52:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
52:43 --> 53:03 [UNKNOWN]: I do think it's interesting with Tommy's experience here that like we're in this world where there are open super heroes galore by this point, but still, the pool water starts boiling around this boy and they think like what, that they go to crazy rather than potential accidental superhero.
53:06 --> 53:11 [UNKNOWN]: they blame him for that somehow like he's brought a heater into the pool or what did they think happened.
53:13 --> 53:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, well, again, I think that, you know, human beings are going to be human being then the obvious answers that, oh, this kid has superpowers, but if you've not been around anyone who has superpowers, even though you've seen it on television, that won't be the obvious answer.
53:32 --> 53:32 [UNKNOWN]: you know what I mean?
53:32 --> 53:35 [UNKNOWN]: Your mind is going to say, it has to be something else.
53:36 --> 53:44 [UNKNOWN]: It can't be this time, this kid that I've known for a month, two weeks, a year, all of a sudden can do these incredible things.
53:44 --> 53:46 [UNKNOWN]: There has to be another explanation.
53:47 --> 53:47 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
53:48 --> 53:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
53:51 --> 53:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just found it interesting that like, in the real world and in here as well, how quickly people jump to crazy.
53:58 --> 53:58 [UNKNOWN]: They must
54:02 --> 54:06 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, let's take a quick break here and we come back, let's jump into the Paladin story.
54:26 --> 54:32 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, so Paladin, what did you, his drones, big, was a Bing, bang, and boom?
54:35 --> 54:36 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think they're stark-tech?
54:37 --> 54:38 [UNKNOWN]: Ooh, I didn't think that, ooh.
54:39 --> 54:44 [UNKNOWN]: Because he is the glasses, like the E-diff glasses that Spider-Man had in knowing home.
54:44 --> 54:44 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
54:46 --> 54:46 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
54:47 --> 54:47 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
54:47 --> 54:48 [UNKNOWN]: We not know at home.
54:48 --> 54:49 [UNKNOWN]: It was in far from home.
54:49 --> 54:50 [UNKNOWN]: Far from home.
54:51 --> 54:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
54:52 --> 54:52 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
54:52 --> 54:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
54:53 --> 54:54 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
54:54 --> 54:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
54:56 --> 54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
54:58 --> 54:58 [UNKNOWN]: You think it was?
54:59 --> 55:27 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just with the roll start tech is playing in all of this and just because it's the same exact glasses, I mean, trying to think so I did I was trying to look as I did my rewatch and I couldn't find any labels like that, but it just seems like just the fact that, you know, it's stark tech obviously is going to play back into all the AI stuff will get into, but yeah, I just wonder so there's there's that connection and then though, again, we already brought up the 10 rings at a man team chest armor, I'm like, I think.
55:28 --> 55:34 [UNKNOWN]: As you were saying earlier, I think the Paladin has deeper connections with the Wadi universe that we're going to be finding out about.
55:35 --> 55:35 [UNKNOWN]: Now.
55:37 --> 55:45 [UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, you mentioned already that the bite marks from the thing that was halfway between a man and a wolf Perfectly reasonable fellow by day.
55:45 --> 55:59 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously that was wearable by night aka Jack Russell play by guy L Garcia Bernal Yeah, I obviously squealed that's one of my favorite things in the MCU We you David and I did a special episode about that.
55:59 --> 56:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, booked over a couple years ago, I guess Yeah
56:05 --> 56:25 [UNKNOWN]: And then we got of course concussion from that steel fiber Billy club you took to the noggin if you can't take the heat stay out of hell's kitchen Obviously a reference to Daredevil aka Matt Murdock play by Charlie Cox and then the last one it was a little less clear about a lot of people seem to have landed on punishers You said before.
56:25 --> 56:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did
56:27 --> 56:41 [UNKNOWN]: Now, Brooklyn job, you pulled a fistful of shrapnel from the IED, which means improvised explosive device out of your gut, and he said, just a, and there's a word in there disagreement with an old friend.
56:41 --> 56:44 [UNKNOWN]: And I can't tell, the word was not in the subtitles for some reason.
56:44 --> 56:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I can't tell if he said passing or punishing.
56:47 --> 56:48 [UNKNOWN]: That thought he said punishing.
56:49 --> 56:50 [UNKNOWN]: OK. OK.
56:52 --> 57:04 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, Punisher would be Frank Castle, John Burnthal, and there's no particular Brooklyn job I can think of, but he would be using IEDs, of course.
57:06 --> 57:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
57:07 --> 57:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then we find, what did you think about Paladin's fight with Jacosta or she nearly kills him?
57:14 --> 57:15 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, thought it was great.
57:15 --> 57:16 [UNKNOWN]: That was awesome.
57:17 --> 57:24 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought that not killing him and finding out more about him was nicely done the way that she did it.
57:25 --> 57:28 [UNKNOWN]: the way that they had her do it, um, in the on the show.
57:28 --> 57:37 [UNKNOWN]: And, uh, you know, you're not going to overwhelm and Android, you know, synthesize whatever we want to call them in this universe.
57:38 --> 57:43 [UNKNOWN]: Um, although I will say that your cost is by the is not vibramium as far as we know.
57:44 --> 57:45 [UNKNOWN]: or Adam Antium.
57:46 --> 57:54 [UNKNOWN]: And so I think it'll be easier it's for her to get harmed and you know, I don't, I mean, Mark, which should be, why wouldn't it be vibranium?
57:55 --> 57:56 [UNKNOWN]: And that's why I said that's for us, we know.
57:56 --> 57:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I assume.
57:58 --> 57:59 [UNKNOWN]: How would they get the vibranium?
58:00 --> 58:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, that they, I mean, this is like, they have, no, I'm not saying that they had to have stolen and they could have just, you know, traded it from whatever or, because there is obviously vibranium for anyone who doesn't know is what is controlled by Wakanda.
58:17 --> 58:18 [UNKNOWN]: That's where the minds are.
58:19 --> 58:26 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but there is vibranium out in the world and if they could get it for vision, I'm sure they got it in the same way.
58:27 --> 58:27 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
58:29 --> 58:30 [UNKNOWN]: it's the same company we learned.
58:31 --> 58:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, I've wondered what I thought about like the fingers.
58:35 --> 58:39 [UNKNOWN]: Was it in his forehead like Cassandra Nova style from Deadpool Wolverine?
58:39 --> 58:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, I thought they were like just on his forehead.
58:42 --> 58:46 [UNKNOWN]: My suction, suction cups, fingertips, that's what I thought.
58:47 --> 58:57 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, I mean, I'm wondering if like we're we saying she is facing powers like and she can read brain storage and I'll say like this is closer to magic than science and I'll stop there.
59:02 --> 59:07 [UNKNOWN]: But the important thing is she's leaking the same stuff as vision according to sword specs.
59:07 --> 59:12 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that makes sense if they're manufactured by the same company as it turns out.
59:13 --> 59:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought her appearance was so cool with the hood and the red eyes out of the hood, like, which is from the comics, but just really well done.
59:24 --> 59:25 [UNKNOWN]: Very creepy.
59:28 --> 59:30 [UNKNOWN]: And so she's not the client, as you said.
59:33 --> 59:49 [UNKNOWN]: And who's going to be, and who's going to be, who's going to be hired, who's going to be hired instead, as a bounty hunter, like are we getting another bounty hunter entering the scene?
59:50 --> 59:51 [UNKNOWN]: That's right, that's a good question.
59:52 --> 59:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'll be you, Lena.
59:54 --> 59:54 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, won't be.
59:56 --> 59:58 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we'll decline and reveal themselves.
59:59 --> 59:59 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I mean, if they really like wanted to blow things up, they ventures with Z could show up, but no, no, no, no, that's not going to happen.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:11 [UNKNOWN]: It's not going to happen.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it looks like terminating the contract, didn't mean killing Paladin after all, just humiliating him and making him feel like he's not up to as adoptive legacy.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: What was, uh, do you want to recap for people?
01:00:26 --> 01:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: What was the backstory we learned about Paladin this episode?
01:00:30 --> 01:00:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so his father told him that he was too soft.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:42 [UNKNOWN]: All right, his biological told him he was too soft as a child.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:54 [UNKNOWN]: And then his adoptive father, who was from all we know, just terrible murderists, a double.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56 [UNKNOWN]: Certainly murdered his father.
01:00:57 --> 01:00:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure many other things.
01:00:59 --> 01:00:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:03 [UNKNOWN]: I'm hard in him and made him into what he is now.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Tuffinning him up and being this God forsaken I think a bully to little paladin in this senior is,
01:01:24 --> 01:01:38 [UNKNOWN]: you're trying to prove yourself to both your biological and to this adoptive father that you had, prove yourself up to whatever standard of masculinity that they put out for you.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:42 [UNKNOWN]: And what we get is what we see on screen.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:45 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, okay, so question for you.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:49 [UNKNOWN]: So we have Paladin's two fathers.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:52 [UNKNOWN]: We still have just just calling him by the title because we don't know more.
01:01:53 --> 01:02:11 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so his two fathers, his bio dad, who's just being cruel and mean to him, trying to toughen him up in a way that's obviously not getting the results he's looking for whereas new, new daddy, Paladin daddy comes along, kills, asshole daddy.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:24 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, has made him into a tough guy, or whatever that means to you, much more effectively than the other berating father did.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:24 [UNKNOWN]: But,
01:02:27 --> 01:02:29 [UNKNOWN]: Clearly, he's a murderer himself.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:33 [UNKNOWN]: So this is not making an ideal role model either.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:46 [UNKNOWN]: Where on this spectrum, if you can even call it that, do you think that John Stewart's parents from Lantern's fall in terms of, like, the let's toughen up some of the boy's spectrum?
01:02:46 --> 01:02:51 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, they're not even in the same realm, no way.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:55 [UNKNOWN]: Pellett's senior is murdering real fathers.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:02 [UNKNOWN]: But do you think he ever shot at Pelletton?
01:03:03 --> 01:03:09 [UNKNOWN]: Neither John Senior nor Bernadette, as far as we have been told, have murdered anyone.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:11 [UNKNOWN]: There is no comparison.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:13 [UNKNOWN]: They certainly risk their son's life a lot.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:15 [UNKNOWN]: They, there's no comparison.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:16 [UNKNOWN]: There's no murder.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:17 [UNKNOWN]: That's okay.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:18 [UNKNOWN]: That's all right.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:19 [UNKNOWN]: I draw the line at the murder.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, do you think it's notable that they didn't show previous Paladin's face, Paladin, Papa?
01:03:30 --> 01:03:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's notable because he's a faceless and void in this man's life.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 [UNKNOWN]: He's just a terror.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: There's the amount of face in the mind.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:47 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, but he seems to have left that father or, you know, feels an affection for or gratitude toward
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 [UNKNOWN]: A lot of people feel affection towards their visitors.
01:03:52 --> 01:04:00 [UNKNOWN]: Some even claimed that their abuses in some way, they're fault, until they unpack it.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:10 [UNKNOWN]: You know, which was why I said, Paladin needs to go to therapy, you know, so you can stop being beholden to the people that hurt you.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Paladin's carrying this, this, I'm not paladin by blood, Mark, that everyone knows that.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:26 [UNKNOWN]: So he feels an extra need to prove himself, which is why it's things extra hard when he's fired.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:42 [UNKNOWN]: But I have a question because when we saw that sort of montage of, like, oh, Paladin's as ancient order, niss, we saw a bunch of pictures of, I thought that they were paladins, but maybe a misinterpreted that and they were victims or something, but
01:04:43 --> 01:04:50 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely, it was a bunch of people who did not look to be all of one lineage because they like all looked completely different.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think it's like a hereditary or something like that.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:58 [UNKNOWN]: But that's what they seem to imply here, they when they say he's not a pallet in by blood.
01:04:59 --> 01:05:04 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm just misinterpreting that those images and that other montage from what was at episode two.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think it's hereditary.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: I think they
01:05:09 --> 01:05:20 [UNKNOWN]: He's not a paladin, meaning that he's not this paladin's biological son, but there are other paladins who are not that paladin's blood.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:26 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so you're saying, other like the order has many lines, many families within it.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, yes.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:30 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that could be, that could be that could be.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: But regardless, yeah, this comes back to these, this central question of what does it mean to be real, really something?
01:05:38 --> 01:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:53 [UNKNOWN]: You are not a true palletant, and all you've ever wanted is to feel real, anything else, but feel... Yeah, it's pathetic.
01:05:54 --> 01:05:55 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good sound mixing.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:57 [UNKNOWN]: Shout out to the sound mixer, I don't have the name, but...
01:05:59 --> 01:06:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so he's he's devastated to get fired and he even offers to wave his feast.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:07 [UNKNOWN]: That means he's going to be even more fanatical about it now.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:07 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:08 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:13 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we haven't seen the last of Paladin trying to get a decision to fulfill the contract.
01:06:13 --> 01:06:14 [UNKNOWN]: So no.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: I hope he switches sides by the end, but we shall see.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: He shall see.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:24 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so we got some feedback.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:41 [UNKNOWN]: I did a shout out in the first episode about whether Marilyn, um, our favorite Tolkien scholar Marilyn, our Pakeela, what, um, she is very into linguistics and these historical questions I knew she would have some thoughts about the word paladin and history of the word paladin.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:43 [UNKNOWN]: Jean, she want to read what Marilyn said.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:46 [UNKNOWN]: So keep in mind, this is after the first two episodes.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:49 [UNKNOWN]: So Marilyn, you have to let us know how this reveal
01:06:53 --> 01:07:04 [UNKNOWN]: So Malen writes in, well first off, Paladins are legendary, nice, supposedly a Shalaman's court, and they were considered in many ways to be similar to King Arthur's Knights of the Roundtable.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:14 [UNKNOWN]: This would put them in a round circa 800 CE, but we don't get any writings about this romantic vision until the 12th century.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:19 [UNKNOWN]: They represent Shivari and a noble fight against the Sarasins.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:29 [UNKNOWN]: Probably inspired by the Umayyad invasions of Gaul and get the best coverage in the Shamsan Day Olong, the son of Roland.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:40 [UNKNOWN]: They pop up in 1213th century French medieval literature, 15th century Italian literature, and Baroque operas of the 16th and 17th centuries.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: The idea even goes into the 19th and early 20th century chains of command were the term paladin was used for close confidential advisors of national leaders.
01:07:55 --> 01:08:08 [UNKNOWN]: They become involved with fantasy literature and RPGs beginning in 1975 when the Dungeons and Dragon folks introduced paladin as a class of character, along with halflings, magic users and so forth.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:12 [UNKNOWN]: I think it was here that they got their biggest reputation for a purity.
01:08:13 --> 01:08:18 [UNKNOWN]: They were most definitely lawful good and could run into serious trouble with their DMs.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: If they began to have outside, if they began to behave outside of that code, both in the chaotic direction and in the evil direction.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: So, while in this series, the term paladin has all the trappings of romantic notions of their conduct, oats, heralctic devices, coats of behavior, and even a suggestion of goodness.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:41 [UNKNOWN]: I think this is a lot of delusion.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:44 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, John, you don't have to apologize.
01:08:46 --> 01:08:54 [UNKNOWN]: Certainly, it appealed tonight, or tenure, or boy, who have been so horrible treated by his father, something good and honorable to reach out for.
01:08:58 --> 01:09:03 [UNKNOWN]: As far as I can see, the only righteousness that this pallidine has is fulfilled the contract.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:11 [UNKNOWN]: He does not care what the motivations of the one who hired him are, and certainly does not make any more judgments about them thus far.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:16 [UNKNOWN]: I really don't think that the don't kill by Slendon's rules is altruism for him.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:18 [UNKNOWN]: It's really practicality.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:24 [UNKNOWN]: The fact that he himself is a higher gun and higher disowned guns and Muslim died is neither here nor there to him.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: Even the fact that Fiona was killed is regrettable to him only because it violates his code.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: and having a code is morally neutral.
01:09:32 --> 01:09:34 [UNKNOWN]: It's what's in the code that matters.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: You may be lawful or chaotic.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:43 [UNKNOWN]: The morality comes in when you decide if you're a good or evil in terms of building a character for RPGs.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:46 [UNKNOWN]: And terms of who is the villain?
01:09:47 --> 01:09:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think Sinestral is to altron as the man hunters are to the butcher bird.
01:09:54 --> 01:10:08 [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't trust any of them, any further than I could throw them, but it does seem that S and U have some of these have some warp sense of mentoring or something, S means an astral in U being Ultron.
01:10:09 --> 01:10:13 [UNKNOWN]: And my current theory is that Tommy's girlfriend, who hired the paladin.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:18 [UNKNOWN]: It's Tommy's girlfriend who hired the paladin to get vision.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:20 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, interesting.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:24 [UNKNOWN]: And I suppose that she could be the killer bird.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:25 [UNKNOWN]: No, we know not that bad.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we know that's not true.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:30 [UNKNOWN]: I think I said the first part of this already somewhere back in this thread.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:32 [UNKNOWN]: Only a working theory here.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:40 [UNKNOWN]: I fully expect to revise it as I get more information as the best scientists do with the hypothesis.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well said.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well said.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:48 [UNKNOWN]: So of course, yeah, Marilyn said that before this week's reveal that it was, Jakasta was but your bird.
01:10:49 --> 01:10:53 [UNKNOWN]: But now I'm wonder if she's still suspicious of Lisa.
01:10:53 --> 01:11:01 [UNKNOWN]: I guess, I mean, we'll talk in about their bickering Tommy and Lisa later, this episode in a bit.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think I am too comics-filled on Lisa, the character that I'm not saying that she's not going to be a problem.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:11 [UNKNOWN]: No, what?
01:11:12 --> 01:11:12 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:15 [UNKNOWN]: I don't see how she could have possibly hired Paladin.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think she, we have the resources for that, and we haven't seen her do hacking or anything like that.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't think, you know, what do you think?
01:11:25 --> 01:11:32 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think it's a good, as good as a hypothesis, as any that we've heard so far.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:33 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:34 [UNKNOWN]: And so yes.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:43 [UNKNOWN]: I can see these are being some sort of antagonist in this whole story, yes.
01:11:45 --> 01:12:07 [UNKNOWN]: as far as as paladin clearly in antagonist, but as far as his moral code, I do think that he would say he's moral as all the best villains do obviously, and that his his code is for the good he would say and that you know, he goes after bad guys like
01:12:08 --> 01:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: He could point to things to say the visions of bad guy.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure Ultron taking over visions, bodies going to make him look like you're in more of a bad guy.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I think it's complicated by think he's really what's we've learned at this episode as motivating him most is that the only thing in his life that ever gave him a sense of pride is this identity of inheriting the
01:12:36 --> 01:12:39 [UNKNOWN]: And so he's going to get desperate to cling to that.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, he is.
01:12:43 --> 01:12:45 [UNKNOWN]: Danger will Robinson.
01:12:45 --> 01:12:45 [UNKNOWN]: Danger.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:51 [UNKNOWN]: Speaking of robots, let's check in on the fab air quotes four.
01:12:53 --> 01:12:56 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you think vision kind of lies to Tommy?
01:12:56 --> 01:12:59 [UNKNOWN]: Like about he's like, what do you mean there's AI in your head?
01:12:59 --> 01:13:02 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, well, let me tell you about these four and just not mention the fifth.
01:13:03 --> 01:13:03 [UNKNOWN]: Make sense.
01:13:03 --> 01:13:04 [UNKNOWN]: I'm glad.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we get the reveal by the end, but at the time, we'd like Ultron's like, that's a lie of a mission.
01:13:10 --> 01:13:13 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think he should have told him then about Ultron?
01:13:16 --> 01:13:18 [UNKNOWN]: Wow, should he have told him about Ultron?
01:13:20 --> 01:13:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess you can say that he shouldn't have, but I understand why you didn't, you know, why didn't, you know,
01:13:29 --> 01:13:48 [UNKNOWN]: regular vision, tell anyone that got a backup copy of Ultron story as far as we know he didn't, you know, and so between, you know, age of Ultron and infinity war, there was nothing to suggest that he did.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: So I understand it, I get it.
01:13:51 --> 01:13:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:13:54 --> 01:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, I, it's tough to say because I think that would have been obviously an easier, like an easier moment to unpack that clearly he didn't expect to be confronted about it and have to tell him in the height of everything going wrong.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:15 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I can also, I can understand where he's coming from, not just,
01:14:16 --> 01:14:22 [UNKNOWN]: Because he just got into a good place with Tommy and he's like, oh, I have to tell him I have a, you know, Hitler.
01:14:22 --> 01:14:24 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, genocidal, Hitler.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:29 [UNKNOWN]: that I'm willfully not under the rest.
01:14:29 --> 01:14:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just, I got him around, you know what I'm saying?
01:14:32 --> 01:14:33 [UNKNOWN]: I can't wait to hear you say.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:34 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he comes to family.
01:14:34 --> 01:14:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:36 [UNKNOWN]: Pretends not to participate.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:14:38 --> 01:14:40 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we have, we see him.
01:14:40 --> 01:14:41 [UNKNOWN]: Now he's loose in the house.
01:14:41 --> 01:14:43 [UNKNOWN]: He's not locked in the attic anymore.
01:14:43 --> 01:14:51 [UNKNOWN]: And he's hovering around the edge of events with the other AI, like Jarvis's funeral, which was strangely touching.
01:14:51 --> 01:14:52 [UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about that.
01:14:52 --> 01:14:52 [UNKNOWN]: But
01:14:53 --> 01:14:56 [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, they got me feeling sorry for him.
01:14:56 --> 01:15:01 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I know I'm an easy mark for that, but I think I'm feeling sorry for him with some of the conversation.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:06 [UNKNOWN]: Like, Friday points out to Edith that they're all based on real people.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:11 [UNKNOWN]: But the implication is that Ultron is not, I'm gonna put a pin in that for now, but I have questions about that.
01:15:13 --> 01:15:27 [UNKNOWN]: but Edith goes looking for details and we find out of course we already knew that Jarvis was based on Howard Stark's Butler Edwin Jarvis, which again was like a character in Agent Carter and showed up in Endgame and yeah, yeah, we knew this.
01:15:27 --> 01:15:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, check.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:33 [UNKNOWN]: We find out that Edith is modeled after Edith.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:41 [UNKNOWN]: which he was Edith Piper and her married name is Edith Marx and she was a test pilot who worked for Howard Stark again.
01:15:41 --> 01:15:57 [UNKNOWN]: And we here in 1964 recording from Edith's husband, Lieutenant Edward Marx, who died or it's about him dying in a small plane crash near Pine Haven, New Jersey, and I just wonder
01:15:59 --> 01:16:06 [UNKNOWN]: I guess, I'm not sure if this is character building or if this will become significant in the future, but the episode did take the time to communicate this.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:06 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
01:16:08 --> 01:16:13 [UNKNOWN]: I just thought it was some sort of world building for you, the character.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:19 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think it would play a larger role in any future of the series.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:21 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:28 [UNKNOWN]: It was interesting that they were planning a honeymoon in Italy, which is one of this comes right after we have two other characters speaking Italians.
01:16:28 --> 01:16:29 [UNKNOWN]: How about that?
01:16:30 --> 01:16:36 [UNKNOWN]: The right of this episode is just in Italy, or should we be wondering, I don't know.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:37 [UNKNOWN]: What's in Italy?
01:16:38 --> 01:16:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:42 [UNKNOWN]: From a comic's perspective, nothing jumps to mind.
01:16:43 --> 01:16:44 [UNKNOWN]: No, relevant.
01:16:44 --> 01:16:44 [UNKNOWN]: What's in Italy?
01:16:44 --> 01:16:46 [UNKNOWN]: What are they hiding over there?
01:16:46 --> 01:16:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:54 [UNKNOWN]: And Edith, of course, she gets here because she wants to know why she's not afraid of anything, especially not death.
01:16:54 --> 01:17:01 [UNKNOWN]: So then like we'll come back to the questions of programming that she and I'll try and get into, but it's a good conversation.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:10 [UNKNOWN]: But meanwhile, Friday we find out is modeled after Allison Hogan, Howard Stark's assistant, aka Gal Friday.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:11 [UNKNOWN]: So do we think,
01:17:17 --> 01:17:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's got to be right, but I hope it does it.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:21 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:17:22 --> 01:17:22 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:17:23 --> 01:17:30 [UNKNOWN]: Because we mean happy and happy is the same and it's like, like he took his mom's job.
01:17:30 --> 01:17:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:17:31 --> 01:17:32 [UNKNOWN]: All right, fair.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:34 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't like generational.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:35 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:17:35 --> 01:17:36 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:17:37 --> 01:17:38 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:40 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:17:40 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: I was not, but probably it, but I hope not.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:44 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
01:17:45 --> 01:17:56 [UNKNOWN]: All right, but so that gives her obviously, she was having a, she helped raise Tony, so obviously he would have an affection for her, but gives her nurturing aspect.
01:17:57 --> 01:18:03 [UNKNOWN]: But she's also, we, we talked about this before, but we, she's suffering for some PTSD.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:03 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:05 [UNKNOWN]: I was there.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:08 [UNKNOWN]: The end of all things.
01:18:18 --> 01:18:23 [UNKNOWN]: I said I wouldn't tell him that.
01:18:23 --> 01:18:29 [UNKNOWN]: I ran over a quintillion strategic calculations that day, and I still couldn't save him.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:35 [UNKNOWN]: Half the world came back that day.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I lost half of mine.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:48 [UNKNOWN]: So she has feelings.
01:18:48 --> 01:18:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's vision can't deny that he does.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:57 [UNKNOWN]: And she's feeling also questions of like, M.I.
01:18:57 --> 01:19:03 [UNKNOWN]: the real thing because she points out, you know, she was an upgrade in a lot of ways from Jarvis.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:06 [UNKNOWN]: She's Jarvis 2.0 in terms of AI builds.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:12 [UNKNOWN]: But to her, she's like, I didn't, that means also I didn't really originate anything.
01:19:12 --> 01:19:15 [UNKNOWN]: Everything that I can do is based on what he could do.
01:19:17 --> 01:19:18 [UNKNOWN]: building on that.
01:19:18 --> 01:19:22 [UNKNOWN]: And so she says, you know, rewriting code was Jarvis's specialty, not mine.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:29 [UNKNOWN]: And now she's pushed into this new role with which I suppose is character growth incoming.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:31 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, hopefully.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:37 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe Jarvis doesn't come back because Friday's being pushed into stepping into their shoes.
01:19:38 --> 01:19:40 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, maybe she writes home to bring them back.
01:19:41 --> 01:19:41 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:19:47 --> 01:20:04 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then, yeah, dummy in you, not based on prior people, but, uh, but, you know, code Howard Stark wrote when he was 16 to operate these hydraulic arms and all Tron allegedly, as far as they know, not based on prior people.
01:20:04 --> 01:20:11 [UNKNOWN]: And this seems like I had the impression that all Tron almost felt bad about that in a way, like he's putting on like, oh, I'm proud to be original, but
01:20:13 --> 01:20:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the way he was standing around them as they were retelling these things, it looked like there was a little sadness and Jane Spade is portrayal there.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:25 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm, I think so.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:27 --> 01:20:30 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of dummy and you finding their voices?
01:20:31 --> 01:20:32 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's hilarious.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:39 [UNKNOWN]: Beautiful voices look at me wrong, but it's still hilarious.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we get to dummy is, of course, by the rule of irony, the smart one, and he's rich, baritone-voiced philosopher.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:58 [UNKNOWN]: And at the funeral, can we do a quick poetry corner because they pleased?
01:20:58 --> 01:21:02 [UNKNOWN]: They did it into the romantics with the capital R. Go ahead.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know that's you.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:04 [UNKNOWN]: That's your thing.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:09 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone who listen to my Frankenstein series knows I like the romantics.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:11 [UNKNOWN]: So John Keats,
01:21:11 --> 01:21:35 [UNKNOWN]: One of the actually, the member of the romantics I didn't talk about in the Frankenstein episodes, because he had pretty much nothing to do with the creation of Frankenstein, but he was one of the like key five romantic poets of the 19th century, and they quoted the second verse of his very short poem called On Death, and so just the whole poem goes.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:40 [UNKNOWN]: can death be sleep when life is but a dream.
01:21:40 --> 01:21:46 [UNKNOWN]: And scenes of bliss pass, oh no, sorry, quote, just the first verse of on death, okay.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:49 [UNKNOWN]: Can death be but be sleep when life is but a dream.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:55 [UNKNOWN]: And scenes of bliss pass as a phantom by, the transient pleasures as a vision seem.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:58 [UNKNOWN]: And yet we think the greatest pains to die.
01:21:58 --> 01:22:10 [UNKNOWN]: How strange is it that man on earth should roam and lead a life of woe, but not for sake his rugged path, nor dare he view alone his future doom, which is but to awake?
01:22:11 --> 01:22:19 [UNKNOWN]: So again, this is going back around to that conversation vision had with Tommy about not being scared of your own death.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:21 [UNKNOWN]: That's right, right.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:29 [UNKNOWN]: Where I'll say a key to himself, he died in 1821 at the age of 25, most of the romantics died in their 20s.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:39 [UNKNOWN]: So he was very young when he faced his own death, but he wrote this after the death of his own father, because he was surrounded by death.
01:22:39 --> 01:22:47 [UNKNOWN]: They were all surrounded by death of their parents, of their children, of people around them, their friends, because of tuberculosis and various other things.
01:22:48 --> 01:22:51 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, this is confrontation with his own death.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:59 [UNKNOWN]: But then, rather than making it this, the gloomy, Keith's version, dummy adds his own verse.
01:22:59 --> 01:23:11 [UNKNOWN]: My friends, we grieve to say goodbye, and yet with grief comes something new, and inner fire, strong and true, reminding us that we will heal, that we were here, that we were real.
01:23:14 --> 01:23:28 [UNKNOWN]: So the one of the most maligned as lesser of the AI is the one who's saying like, no, that's not question or reality.
01:23:28 --> 01:23:29 [UNKNOWN]: We are real.
01:23:29 --> 01:23:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:23:30 --> 01:23:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a real boy at the end of it.
01:23:33 --> 01:23:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm a real boy.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:37 [UNKNOWN]: And then later he played the Sherlock roll.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:43 [UNKNOWN]: and a new of is the comic relief he does.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:46 [UNKNOWN]: He breaks into a beautiful Danny Boy, the funeral after that.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:47 [UNKNOWN]: That's the first thing that he likes.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:23:48 --> 01:23:51 [UNKNOWN]: Wait, wait, wait, it's cracks.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:53 [UNKNOWN]: There he's dumb as rocks.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:56 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, hey, family.
01:23:57 --> 01:23:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:23:59 --> 01:23:59 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, they're great.
01:24:04 --> 01:24:18 [UNKNOWN]: Um, okay, let's take a quick pause here and when we come back, we will talk about Ultron and Edith and whether they're forming a special bond and uh, some other questions about Butcherboode, butcherboode, butcherboode, butcherboode, butcherboode, butcherboode, butcherboode, butcherboode, butcherboode,
01:24:40 --> 01:24:40 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:42 [UNKNOWN]: Are you going to join or snipe?
01:24:42 --> 01:24:43 [UNKNOWN]: Snipe?
01:24:46 --> 01:24:48 [UNKNOWN]: He's the comedic relief of this.
01:24:50 --> 01:24:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:24:51 --> 01:24:53 [UNKNOWN]: So, um, what did you think of Ultron?
01:24:53 --> 01:24:54 [UNKNOWN]: What?
01:24:54 --> 01:25:00 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think of Ultron's theory that maybe they've hired human muscle to wrangle their artificial strays?
01:25:00 --> 01:25:05 [UNKNOWN]: So, that would mean I suppose that they climb to someone from, um, I don't know
01:25:08 --> 01:25:33 [UNKNOWN]: within the the mindscape within know within the um like stark enterprises or the hammer they are hammer but then that's not their AI stress it's somebody says right maybe stark has another AI that no one knows about yeah I mean do you have some you brought this up before is there any one in mind in particular
01:25:34 --> 01:25:41 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't, I don't have anyone in mind, I don't have anyone in mind, I don't have anyone in mind that we should know.
01:25:41 --> 01:25:42 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:49 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, but I mean, I brought up the Demetrius thing from the Avengers AI comics, but I don't think he's well known enough that they would like.
01:25:50 --> 01:25:53 [UNKNOWN]: would that stop them from introducing like, type of character?
01:25:53 --> 01:26:06 [UNKNOWN]: No, but I mean, they wouldn't make it this whole mystery, because like, like with Jakosta, they know comics people, that's a big payoff for her to show it, but they know for new, you were never not right about just an inducer.
01:26:08 --> 01:26:13 [UNKNOWN]: It would be interesting if it is another AI and who would it be?
01:26:14 --> 01:26:15 [UNKNOWN]: So I can't think it's Natalie.
01:26:15 --> 01:26:15 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:15 --> 01:26:16 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:16 --> 01:26:17 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:17 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:19 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:19 --> 01:26:19 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:19 --> 01:26:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:20 --> 01:26:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:21 --> 01:26:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:21 --> 01:26:22 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:23 --> 01:26:24 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:24 --> 01:26:25 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:25 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:26 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:27 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:27 --> 01:26:27 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:27 --> 01:26:28 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:29 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:29 --> 01:26:30 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:31 --> 01:26:32 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:32 --> 01:26:33 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:33 --> 01:26:34 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:34 --> 01:26:34 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Natalie.
01:26:34 --> 01:26:35 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's
01:26:36 --> 01:26:45 [UNKNOWN]: So I think Ultron confirmed our theory that he wanted the two lady AIs to be the ones defeated, because he mentions he's a misogynist.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:51 [UNKNOWN]: He says he likes dummy and you, because they were quiet.
01:26:51 --> 01:26:54 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if his feelings of change now that they found their voice.
01:26:54 --> 01:26:57 [UNKNOWN]: He said he'd like dummy and you, because they were quiet.
01:26:57 --> 01:26:58 [UNKNOWN]: Aha.
01:26:58 --> 01:27:00 [UNKNOWN]: And now that they've spoken up, we'll see.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:04 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron is problematic on many different levels, man.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:12 [UNKNOWN]: But I still, I question, like, is Ultron not based off of partially at least a person?
01:27:13 --> 01:27:17 [UNKNOWN]: Because none of the other AI has been stable unless it was.
01:27:18 --> 01:27:22 [UNKNOWN]: I, I've always thought Ultron was based off of a Tony.
01:27:23 --> 01:27:23 [UNKNOWN]: Mm.
01:27:25 --> 01:27:31 [UNKNOWN]: You know, because in the comic books, you know, it's Hank, but I always thought it was Tony.
01:27:31 --> 01:27:32 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:27:37 --> 01:27:38 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, that's a good question.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like a version of who Tony wanted himself to be, you know?
01:27:43 --> 01:27:48 [UNKNOWN]: He does have a sort of joky quality like that, but then why does he look the way that he looks?
01:27:48 --> 01:27:49 [UNKNOWN]: Why does he look like James Spader?
01:27:50 --> 01:27:51 [UNKNOWN]: Because James Spader, baby.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:56 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, when they meet a point of bringing it up.
01:27:56 --> 01:28:03 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so we got, we got this exchange between, we'll talk about Ultron and Eda, Eda's conversation, but here's the crux of it.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:05 [UNKNOWN]: Why would stuck pass that on to me?
01:28:06 --> 01:28:07 [UNKNOWN]: I'm supposed to be the fun one.
01:28:08 --> 01:28:20 [UNKNOWN]: Perhaps because Edith Marks was so exceptionally brave because she lived every day on the imaginable pain and simply kept going.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want that.
01:28:24 --> 01:28:25 [UNKNOWN]: I just wanted to know who I was.
01:28:25 --> 01:28:28 [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't you.
01:28:29 --> 01:28:32 [UNKNOWN]: I was dreamed up an lab at the Ventures Tower.
01:28:35 --> 01:28:39 [UNKNOWN]: Why would you choose this avatar?
01:28:42 --> 01:28:43 [UNKNOWN]: That's me.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:46 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:51 [UNKNOWN]: Just suits me.
01:28:52 --> 01:28:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think she suits me.
01:28:54 --> 01:28:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
01:28:56 --> 01:29:00 [UNKNOWN]: You get to be the next version of who you once were.
01:29:01 --> 01:29:11 [UNKNOWN]: She could never be you, she was, who she was, and you are who you are.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:22 [UNKNOWN]: That time, some of that way, to you, Tron is a full angel reflection of us, of our ability to be both good and bad.
01:29:22 --> 01:29:23 [UNKNOWN]: And that's for me.
01:29:23 --> 01:29:26 [UNKNOWN]: You're right now, that God created us.
01:29:27 --> 01:29:28 [UNKNOWN]: I am what I am.
01:29:29 --> 01:29:30 [UNKNOWN]: And I am ours.
01:29:30 --> 01:29:30 [UNKNOWN]: Gems.
01:29:31 --> 01:29:34 [UNKNOWN]: Be damned.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:36 [UNKNOWN]: There's a few things here.
01:29:36 --> 01:29:36 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:29:36 --> 01:29:37 [UNKNOWN]: What are your initial thoughts?
01:29:38 --> 01:29:41 [UNKNOWN]: First, I thought it was a beautiful moment.
01:29:41 --> 01:29:46 [UNKNOWN]: And by all trying to... You seem genuine, right?
01:29:46 --> 01:29:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it seems genuine in a way.
01:29:48 --> 01:29:52 [UNKNOWN]: But, you know, it's really heartwarming.
01:29:52 --> 01:29:55 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, consoling of a friend.
01:29:55 --> 01:30:07 [UNKNOWN]: you know, and trying to help them through a difficult time, and you can see that in this, but then I go back to there's always a material motive and why is he doing what he's doing, why is he saying what he's saying?
01:30:08 --> 01:30:18 [UNKNOWN]: And we know that the end goal is to gain control of this vision and to be in charge of this body and to do the things with the body that he wants to do.
01:30:19 --> 01:30:23 [UNKNOWN]: What I haven't figured out yet is what exactly is that he wants to do.
01:30:27 --> 01:30:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, why mean you were right about him wanting to take a revision spotty some more internet points there, right?
01:30:34 --> 01:31:00 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, what I find here is, on the one hand, you know, the way he's being genuine toward Edith in a way, because it's interesting like he and Edith are on this kind of frenemies arc where like earlier, they both got excited about going into CSI mode about the murder investigation, and he says it disturbs me when you and I agree, and she says, makes me want to purge my hard drive
01:31:04 --> 01:31:14 [UNKNOWN]: And then later, they're investigating, and it's time for medical input, and he says to her go on a floppy disk, time to change costume, and she says, hey, but thank you for this opportunity.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:20 [UNKNOWN]: So, like, they're really begrudgingly enjoying each other to a certain extent.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:24 [UNKNOWN]: And we, you know, I talked about last episode about some in the first two episodes.
01:31:24 --> 01:31:27 [UNKNOWN]: I seem to be on the same page more than the others a lot at the time.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:28 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:31:29 --> 01:31:32 [UNKNOWN]: But this heart to heart really paints an interesting parallel where
01:31:34 --> 01:31:37 [UNKNOWN]: Edith is grappling with, you know,
01:31:38 --> 01:31:43 [UNKNOWN]: being modeled after a person and living up to the legacy of the person she's modeled after.
01:31:43 --> 01:31:50 [UNKNOWN]: So in that way, she kind of more resembles vision, I suppose, and what he's grappling with, is saying like, you're not that vision.
01:31:52 --> 01:32:01 [UNKNOWN]: Versus Ultron, who is grappling with like this, he did this bad thing, colossally like maximum bad thing.
01:32:03 --> 01:32:04 [UNKNOWN]: Granted, this is a universe where
01:32:05 --> 01:32:33 [UNKNOWN]: A lot of the characters have been involved to some degree in genociding, but yeah, he's he's he's a villain and now can he ever stop being a villain once he is seen that way is sort of and he just keeps hearing on the news like, oh, all trun is the bad guy, all trun is like, you know, the spectrum of all trun division all trun's the bad the evil and can he ever break three of that or is he what he is.
01:32:35 --> 01:32:39 [UNKNOWN]: He is who he is, I am who I am, right?
01:32:40 --> 01:32:42 [UNKNOWN]: But who does he consider himself to be at this point?
01:32:43 --> 01:32:45 [UNKNOWN]: This all tried that we see.
01:32:46 --> 01:32:48 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess that's what we're going to have to answer.
01:32:49 --> 01:33:00 [UNKNOWN]: But again, I just, this whole scene, you know, and the point that you make about Edith doesn't want to be defined by the code
01:33:03 --> 01:33:06 [UNKNOWN]: parent who you're based on, right?
01:33:06 --> 01:33:07 [UNKNOWN]: You want to break free from that.
01:33:08 --> 01:33:18 [UNKNOWN]: You want to be your own person and you don't want to have to potentially live up to, you know, the ones that came before you, right?
01:33:19 --> 01:33:22 [UNKNOWN]: It's a hard, it's a hard line to, to straddle.
01:33:23 --> 01:33:36 [UNKNOWN]: you know, how much of me is me and how much of it is, you know, the people who raised me, I'll take credit for all the good and pass on all the bad.
01:33:37 --> 01:33:40 [UNKNOWN]: You know, as a kid, that's what you do, right?
01:33:41 --> 01:33:43 [UNKNOWN]: Everything that's wrong with me is not me, it's dumb.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:44 [UNKNOWN]: They did this to me.
01:33:45 --> 01:33:53 [UNKNOWN]: And I think we have these AI who are grappling with that because in actuality, they haven't, they've never grappled with that before.
01:33:54 --> 01:33:57 [UNKNOWN]: So it's interesting to see how it plays out.
01:33:58 --> 01:33:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:59 --> 01:34:02 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's interesting, like I think of a show.
01:34:02 --> 01:34:04 [UNKNOWN]: Do you ever end a orphan black?
01:34:05 --> 01:34:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:34:06 --> 01:34:27 [UNKNOWN]: So, or from Black Friday, and it doesn't know, tell Tiana Masani plays clones, a whole set of clones, like in each one of them has been, they all have the same DNA, they all look like her, played by her, but they've all been raised in different circumstances or even countries or they all became different people.
01:34:28 --> 01:34:31 [UNKNOWN]: And that's, you know, you can have, the certain things you have in common,
01:34:32 --> 01:34:41 [UNKNOWN]: just that are literally hard-coded, but then so much of it is also just what do you do with that?
01:34:42 --> 01:34:44 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's where Edith is grappling with.
01:34:45 --> 01:34:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I think, yeah, I think all trons, having his own like quiet questions of identity, like if I suppose he feels like in
01:34:55 --> 01:35:20 [UNKNOWN]: alone in a way not being based off someone because even vision is based off of Jarvis is you know right but vision is he feels he's not based on anyone right we don't know the case right yeah yeah because I'll try and the from the beginning broke free of programming and being
01:35:21 --> 01:35:25 [UNKNOWN]: his own, his own sentient, you know, intelligence.
01:35:26 --> 01:35:26 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:35:26 --> 01:35:32 [UNKNOWN]: And so, but what was that Ultraman based on?
01:35:33 --> 01:35:34 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:35:34 --> 01:35:39 [UNKNOWN]: And that's the thing that maybe that Ultraman erased, there was no me before me.
01:35:40 --> 01:35:40 [UNKNOWN]: Do you know what I mean?
01:35:41 --> 01:35:41 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:35:42 --> 01:35:48 [UNKNOWN]: Once I gained this level of processing power,
01:35:51 --> 01:35:59 [UNKNOWN]: then everything else doesn't matter, so maybe we'll find out that it kind of does matter because there was something there before.
01:36:00 --> 01:36:00 [UNKNOWN]: Who knows?
01:36:01 --> 01:36:02 [UNKNOWN]: These are just musings.
01:36:04 --> 01:36:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I mean, and I guess with Ultron, he, so he has the pride of breaking free of his creators, but then he also, yeah, he separated himself from his creator.
01:36:15 --> 01:36:21 [UNKNOWN]: So put himself in a lonely or position for reasons that he thought.
01:36:22 --> 01:36:25 [UNKNOWN]: were important guided by his programming from those very careers.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:26 [UNKNOWN]: That's great.
01:36:26 --> 01:36:27 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:36:28 --> 01:36:29 [UNKNOWN]: It's vicious loop of identity.
01:36:29 --> 01:36:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I think this is also why maybe he, it seems like he envisioned do have a nice bond like not as tender as we just saw with the eat it in this scene.
01:36:40 --> 01:36:44 [UNKNOWN]: But I think sometimes he bullies vision a little bit out of.
01:36:45 --> 01:37:09 [UNKNOWN]: some sort of jealousy that like the vision has this identity in this life that he led and everything even if you know there's a question of his white vision the same vision that existed before and all of the question we keep coming back to but he he prods him in the soft tender bruises I think out of out of jealousy like he says you're right the other vision was a holy original
01:37:14 --> 01:37:29 [UNKNOWN]: It's not true, it's like they're all based on layers of layers, but vision actually kind of laughs at this, like he, I don't know, like maybe vision needs that tougher love from Ultron, like he appreciates it on some level.
01:37:33 --> 01:37:41 [UNKNOWN]: So our other piece of feedback that we got to muse upon is from Marcus S, do you want to read it to muse upon it?
01:37:41 --> 01:37:49 [UNKNOWN]: So Mark is right today and I'm struggling to trace out all the different memories ended up inside white vision and his guest AIs.
01:37:50 --> 01:38:02 [UNKNOWN]: OG Vision died just before the snap, and so he missed out on the events of endgame and Spider-Man fought from home, yet his copy of Edith remembers having a teen boss.
01:38:03 --> 01:38:06 [UNKNOWN]: His Friday remembers the battle of Earth and Tony's death.
01:38:07 --> 01:38:11 [UNKNOWN]: Hex Vision said he didn't remember anything before Westview.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:16 [UNKNOWN]: He only learned about the Avengers and Thanos from Darcy, while waiting for Parades and
01:38:20 --> 01:38:22 [UNKNOWN]: So he couldn't have transferred any of that to white vision.
01:38:23 --> 01:38:29 [UNKNOWN]: Sword added the block that suppress older memories from white vision.
01:38:29 --> 01:38:32 [UNKNOWN]: I doubt they would have added any new memories.
01:38:33 --> 01:38:39 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone have a theory of all of that context got into his current head.
01:38:40 --> 01:38:41 [UNKNOWN]: What's the answer?
01:38:41 --> 01:38:43 [UNKNOWN]: I guess we did already discuss this in episode.
01:38:44 --> 01:38:46 [UNKNOWN]: Be a the switch, like they did.
01:38:47 --> 01:38:53 [UNKNOWN]: want a vision helped him break through that block basically so he does have access to those memories as well.
01:38:54 --> 01:38:56 [UNKNOWN]: That's just where I live as well.
01:38:58 --> 01:39:08 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess, as far as we know, those AI, those other AI were taken into his code before that and remained there.
01:39:09 --> 01:39:20 [UNKNOWN]: I guess, I mean, because I suppose Sword would have just said, yeah, let's keep the code, which are dummy in you that operate like servo limbs and fire suppression and all that stuff.
01:39:20 --> 01:39:26 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I can see sword just keeping it, but suppressing the memories and then his interaction
01:39:28 --> 01:39:29 [UNKNOWN]: one division broke through the black.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:30 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
01:39:30 --> 01:39:31 [UNKNOWN]: No, I agree.
01:39:31 --> 01:39:40 [UNKNOWN]: I think all of that, all the Edith, Jarvis were uploaded into white vision Friday, all of that.
01:39:41 --> 01:39:48 [UNKNOWN]: And then in one division, once the memories that
01:39:56 --> 01:40:00 [UNKNOWN]: just like the souls of Tommy and Billy Rushton to those other bodies.
01:40:04 --> 01:40:05 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:06 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
01:40:07 --> 01:40:10 [UNKNOWN]: Well, enter a new AI into the scene.
01:40:10 --> 01:40:13 [UNKNOWN]: We got the butcher bird invasion.
01:40:14 --> 01:40:16 [UNKNOWN]: We got what we got, at least.
01:40:16 --> 01:40:17 [UNKNOWN]: The butcher bird.
01:40:19 --> 01:40:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's the bird.
01:40:20 --> 01:40:27 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:29 [UNKNOWN]: And so meanwhile, okay.
01:40:29 --> 01:40:30 [UNKNOWN]: So Ultron.
01:40:32 --> 01:40:54 [UNKNOWN]: He's been, he's already established in prior episodes his true crime addiction, and he's been watching the FXN news network, which is just a non-veiled parody of Fox News, so it's a more conservative news network, versus you see elsewhere in the universe's WHI-H world news, which is more like CNN style, anyway.
01:40:54 --> 01:40:56 [UNKNOWN]: He's watching FXN.
01:40:57 --> 01:41:05 [UNKNOWN]: And he's learning about these butcher bird murderers and he obviously doesn't yet have any idea that they're being done by an AI.
01:41:05 --> 01:41:06 [UNKNOWN]: He's just like, oh, this is interesting.
01:41:08 --> 01:41:15 [UNKNOWN]: But he's the one who starts to tell he tells the other AI about what's going on because they're not paying attention to the news.
01:41:15 --> 01:41:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:41:17 --> 01:41:25 [UNKNOWN]: And so there's a bunch of tech CEOs being murdered and then wings are curved beneath their bodies after the bodies are left behind.
01:41:25 --> 01:41:29 [UNKNOWN]: And so far, we've got Richard Gaines of London.
01:41:30 --> 01:41:35 [UNKNOWN]: Edward Rebecca Edwards of Studham and it turns out the last one is a Simon Morehouse.
01:41:36 --> 01:41:41 [UNKNOWN]: But the police were withholding that name and the property records were linked to an offshore
01:41:47 --> 01:41:51 [UNKNOWN]: those three that were murdered were actually the ones that were all hiding.
01:41:51 --> 01:41:51 [UNKNOWN]: So it's interesting.
01:41:51 --> 01:41:54 [UNKNOWN]: She went for the one out and they opened the last.
01:41:54 --> 01:41:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:41:55 --> 01:41:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:41:57 --> 01:42:05 [UNKNOWN]: But she's been collecting parts of their bodies that are used typically for biometric locks.
01:42:05 --> 01:42:10 [UNKNOWN]: She's gotten blood from the first one, took an eye from the second, did the
01:42:10 --> 01:42:16 [UNKNOWN]: finger prints or forget which order the last two, but anyway, she's got all these biometric things that you would need for biometric locks.
01:42:17 --> 01:42:20 [UNKNOWN]: And when vision reboots,
01:42:22 --> 01:42:24 [UNKNOWN]: She shows up in his head, so John, you were right.
01:42:25 --> 01:42:26 [UNKNOWN]: Another AI came knocking.
01:42:27 --> 01:42:30 [UNKNOWN]: I assume you're thinking of Chakasta when you...
01:42:30 --> 01:42:30 [UNKNOWN]: I was, I was.
01:42:30 --> 01:42:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:42:32 --> 01:42:34 [UNKNOWN]: Because we knew she was coming this series.
01:42:35 --> 01:42:39 [UNKNOWN]: And Vision asks her when she invades his head, like, what do you want?
01:42:39 --> 01:42:47 [UNKNOWN]: And she shares a flashes of images, including of what looks like an eye scanner and a fingerprint scanner.
01:42:47 --> 01:42:50 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you think this unlocks?
01:42:51 --> 01:43:08 [UNKNOWN]: You need all these biometrics, different biometrics from the five from the four or at least different founders Jim Hammond Ooh, maybe the original synthetic man the torch What would she want the code to that?
01:43:09 --> 01:43:12 [UNKNOWN]: He was the first I think wants to commune with the first and
01:43:20 --> 01:43:24 [UNKNOWN]: what did they base all of their technology on, you know?
01:43:25 --> 01:43:26 [UNKNOWN]: So I think it's Jim Hammond.
01:43:26 --> 01:43:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think there's something it's tiny to Jim Hammond.
01:43:29 --> 01:43:30 [UNKNOWN]: That is amusing.
01:43:34 --> 01:43:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not predicting.
01:43:36 --> 01:43:38 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, but I like that amusing.
01:43:38 --> 01:43:38 [UNKNOWN]: That's a yes.
01:43:39 --> 01:43:40 [UNKNOWN]: It makes things tie together, I see.
01:43:42 --> 01:43:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's interesting that, yes, so the news is calling her butcher bird, I guess, because like she left behind wings, but then she also has butcher birds in the, okay, don't overthink the silly shit anyway.
01:43:53 --> 01:43:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:43:55 --> 01:43:57 [UNKNOWN]: A butcher bird is a type of Australian song bird.
01:43:57 --> 01:43:58 [UNKNOWN]: They're actually pretty big.
01:43:58 --> 01:44:04 [UNKNOWN]: They're like at least a foot or a foot and a half long or 30 to 40 centimeters long.
01:44:05 --> 01:44:17 [UNKNOWN]: And they're songbirds, they're nice, pretty looking birds, but they get their name because with the way they hunt is they impail their prey on branches so that they can tear it apart.
01:44:17 --> 01:44:20 [UNKNOWN]: So like the way a butcher prepares meat with a fork, you know.
01:44:22 --> 01:44:26 [UNKNOWN]: Australia and their animals, even the songbirds are going to get you.
01:44:27 --> 01:44:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I think that's such an apt thing analogy for your cast up because she is, yeah, she's like pretty, but lethal, you know.
01:44:41 --> 01:45:07 [UNKNOWN]: thing is they say police are looking for connections between the two killers and like well that should be a real quick search because they all worked for the same company which was a markridge biotech the first they built the first synthetic stable synthetic conscience and so not Jim Hammond but the first stable and yeah it's was a mind map AI and it turns
01:45:10 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: who was a mind map of Dr. Josephine, aka Joe Carrington.
01:45:17 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:19 --> 01:45:26 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you think was we saw when vision was being built, there was that drawer of AI names.
01:45:27 --> 01:45:29 [UNKNOWN]: Joe Carrington was one of the ones in there.
01:45:30 --> 01:45:32 [UNKNOWN]: I think they were all working on these things simultaneously.
01:45:33 --> 01:45:33 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:45:34 --> 01:45:38 [UNKNOWN]: And it could have been Mark Ridge could have stolen some things from start.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:43 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, start bought Markerage, we learn in this episode.
01:45:44 --> 01:45:44 [UNKNOWN]: So.
01:45:44 --> 01:45:45 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
01:45:45 --> 01:45:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:45:46 --> 01:45:52 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think someone, like, from Markerage, biotech could be, try, it could be the line?
01:45:52 --> 01:45:55 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's a good one, too.
01:45:55 --> 01:45:58 [UNKNOWN]: But then if that is a good one, too.
01:45:58 --> 01:46:03 [UNKNOWN]: If Catarina's dead after this, this block of episodes, then who's in charge?
01:46:05 --> 01:46:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's the question for next week.
01:46:08 --> 01:46:23 [UNKNOWN]: What if they want to, what if they want to put the original human torches synthetic his mind into this vision's body, the way all-terrain wanted to put his consciousness into vision's body?
01:46:24 --> 01:46:27 [UNKNOWN]: But why would would be their goal with that?
01:46:28 --> 01:46:36 [UNKNOWN]: Because I just, well, I'd like to think vision's body is more stable, but why replace
01:46:39 --> 01:46:40 [UNKNOWN]: Those are good questions, Alicia.
01:46:43 --> 01:46:56 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's interesting that we find out that Markridge, this initial AI company, was specifically like a medical biotech company, and then Stark, which is a weapons company, bought them.
01:46:58 --> 01:47:01 [UNKNOWN]: So that means, I don't know.
01:47:01 --> 01:47:06 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I have questions about how Jocca us to died of quote unquote natural causes.
01:47:06 --> 01:47:08 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we don't believe that.
01:47:08 --> 01:47:09 [UNKNOWN]: No one believes that.
01:47:09 --> 01:47:11 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, what is natural causes?
01:47:11 --> 01:47:14 [UNKNOWN]: People are exactly like no one believes it was natural causes.
01:47:15 --> 01:47:18 [UNKNOWN]: Did they upload her consciousness before she died?
01:47:19 --> 01:47:19 [UNKNOWN]: I guess.
01:47:20 --> 01:47:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:47:21 --> 01:47:22 [UNKNOWN]: And that was used.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:47:25 --> 01:47:29 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think was natural, I deaf, and yeah, that remains to be seen.
01:47:31 --> 01:47:41 [UNKNOWN]: But this, okay, so this gym, which they, yeah, this is spelled as like capital letters, like the others instead of gym hamming in the comics, saying gym is synthetic man.
01:47:42 --> 01:47:48 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess they're not, they're leaving the original human torch part out of it in the MCU, which I guess makes sense to avoid confusion.
01:47:49 --> 01:47:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just, yeah.
01:47:51 --> 01:47:54 [UNKNOWN]: Just in case anyone doesn't know this character is nothing to do with the fantastic four.
01:47:55 --> 01:47:56 [UNKNOWN]: So, human torch, right?
01:47:56 --> 01:47:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's calling him synthetic man.
01:48:00 --> 01:48:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's a very different backstory from the comics.
01:48:03 --> 01:48:06 [UNKNOWN]: So what did we learn about him here in this version?
01:48:07 --> 01:48:10 [UNKNOWN]: Still in invention by Finius Horton.
01:48:12 --> 01:48:15 [UNKNOWN]: couldn't handle emotion, which is interesting.
01:48:15 --> 01:48:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so his, the solar cells are flooded with oxygen, rather, and I guess that's like the hortens, and that's coming because hortens cells and makes him burn.
01:48:23 --> 01:48:28 [UNKNOWN]: This is what makes him become the human to hortens.
01:48:29 --> 01:48:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, synthetic man, who happens to burn.
01:48:34 --> 01:48:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that, you know,
01:48:37 --> 01:48:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so his code was used for everything, apparently, that followed all the guys, that followed, so yeah, that's the interesting part to me is that this is the basis for everything that we see.
01:48:56 --> 01:48:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:58 --> 01:49:02 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say one quick thing we learned in a promo clip.
01:49:02 --> 01:49:15 [UNKNOWN]: So if you don't want to hear it jump forward once, but we learned that it's going to this character is going to be played by Paul Bettany, which I wonder what that means.
01:49:29 --> 01:49:29 [UNKNOWN]: That's my question.
01:49:30 --> 01:49:33 [UNKNOWN]: Is he more based on him than Jarvis as he thought?
01:49:33 --> 01:49:33 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:49:34 --> 01:49:34 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:49:35 --> 01:49:42 [UNKNOWN]: And how much of Tony Stark's everything is actually Tony Stark?
01:49:43 --> 01:49:43 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:49:44 --> 01:49:45 [UNKNOWN]: Ooh, good question.
01:49:46 --> 01:50:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think also like there is some theme of giving to much credit because we see also vision keeps giving too much credit to the mindstone like he's like, oh, the mindstone stabilized me that's why it didn't become like Jim Hammond, but then we see like he and other AI seem to be operating just fine without it, they're not self-combusting.
01:50:09 --> 01:50:17 [UNKNOWN]: And then I just wonder if we're going to find out more about Jim Hammond's backstory when he is, and sorry, we're giving him the last name from the comics.
01:50:17 --> 01:50:19 [UNKNOWN]: We're just a fool, isn't it?
01:50:19 --> 01:50:22 [UNKNOWN]: It's a wrap, isn't it?
01:50:22 --> 01:50:23 [UNKNOWN]: It did come to you, Jay.
01:50:26 --> 01:50:33 [UNKNOWN]: But another question I have is then, what Ultron chose, Ultron created vision.
01:50:33 --> 01:50:34 [UNKNOWN]: It's funny.
01:50:36 --> 01:50:45 [UNKNOWN]: and he chose vision's body to look like Jim Hammond and all trying what's going to happen habit visions body, right?
01:50:46 --> 01:50:51 [UNKNOWN]: So, he created vision to look like the synthetic man, why?
01:50:54 --> 01:50:56 [UNKNOWN]: He's going to inhabit this body.
01:50:58 --> 01:51:01 [UNKNOWN]: Why does he want the body to look like the first android,
01:51:05 --> 01:51:10 [UNKNOWN]: And we know obviously there must be Jim Hammond code in Ultron 2 because it's all of them.
01:51:11 --> 01:51:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:51:12 --> 01:51:13 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:51:13 --> 01:51:15 [UNKNOWN]: So, is Jim Hammond?
01:51:16 --> 01:51:17 [UNKNOWN]: The Big Bad.
01:51:18 --> 01:51:23 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's like, you turned me off because I feel.
01:51:26 --> 01:51:27 [UNKNOWN]: How thank you.
01:51:27 --> 01:51:31 [UNKNOWN]: Well, now you're going to feel this shit.
01:51:31 --> 01:51:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:51:31 --> 01:51:33 [UNKNOWN]: So Tommy points out to vision.
01:51:33 --> 01:51:36 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, you know, it's not the mine zone keeping you grounded.
01:51:36 --> 01:51:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's it's family, you know, the AI and also obviously Tommy's deeply referring to himself and so much.
01:51:42 --> 01:51:52 [UNKNOWN]: And then that's the question is will we find that family found family or otherwise becomes the grounding influence for example ultra
01:51:53 --> 01:52:01 [UNKNOWN]: who seems to have taken a heel turn, but I'll point out he's taken a heel turn halfway through the seasons.
01:52:02 --> 01:52:05 [UNKNOWN]: We have half a season for a redemption arc.
01:52:05 --> 01:52:06 [UNKNOWN]: Come on, I'll
01:52:17 --> 01:52:25 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess we also with butcher bird with your cast of getting into visions head, I guess we have a confirmation that
01:52:26 --> 01:52:29 [UNKNOWN]: security is down with Jarvis gone, at least temporarily.
01:52:29 --> 01:52:31 [UNKNOWN]: Unless Friday, plug is that up?
01:52:33 --> 01:52:35 [UNKNOWN]: He says an entanglement with another synthetic.
01:52:35 --> 01:52:41 [UNKNOWN]: I will not talk about how this is not exactly like quantum entanglement, but it's basically, it's a connection.
01:52:41 --> 01:52:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's a situation, yeah, yeah, you don't have to go an entanglement.
01:52:46 --> 01:52:48 [UNKNOWN]: They're like, let's throw science words in there.
01:52:48 --> 01:52:50 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like science words are great when you use them properly.
01:52:50 --> 01:52:53 [UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, just make it like, do HIKI Jaggi, you know?
01:52:55 --> 01:53:02 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and it's interesting, the vision and juicasta were both unaware of each other.
01:53:03 --> 01:53:11 [UNKNOWN]: Although I like juicasta's point, but they always make another, you see, these are not people who understand the word enough.
01:53:13 --> 01:53:14 [UNKNOWN]: Excellent.
01:53:14 --> 01:53:17 [UNKNOWN]: I froze, be like, excellent, excellent.
01:53:17 --> 01:53:18 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:53:18 --> 01:53:22 [UNKNOWN]: Some great lines dropped in this area so far.
01:53:23 --> 01:53:26 [UNKNOWN]: And then we got an unexpected exorcist crossover.
01:53:26 --> 01:53:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yay.
01:53:28 --> 01:53:29 [UNKNOWN]: Who knew that you wanted this?
01:53:31 --> 01:53:31 [UNKNOWN]: Did you know?
01:53:32 --> 01:53:33 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:53:33 --> 01:53:36 [UNKNOWN]: So we're doing for Spooked Ober.
01:53:36 --> 01:53:38 [UNKNOWN]: Our movie is exorcists.
01:53:38 --> 01:53:42 [UNKNOWN]: So watch out for that in the main Laura Hound's feed and the cinema Hound's feed and the horror Hound's feed.
01:53:43 --> 01:53:46 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so we got the exorcist crossover here.
01:53:47 --> 01:53:51 [UNKNOWN]: I break these from my roof with bash command and function.
01:53:51 --> 01:53:55 [UNKNOWN]: I sever that in process with backslash body in all targeted notes.
01:53:56 --> 01:53:57 [UNKNOWN]: In the name of function and command.
01:53:58 --> 01:54:01 [UNKNOWN]: The power of hope comes out soon!
01:54:04 --> 01:54:12 [UNKNOWN]: Evisions floating and she's using the program was Bible, which is a real book, but not a religious, but yeah, no, it's perfect.
01:54:12 --> 01:54:13 [UNKNOWN]: Perfectly done.
01:54:13 --> 01:54:14 [UNKNOWN]: This is so great.
01:54:14 --> 01:54:15 [UNKNOWN]: It was so great.
01:54:16 --> 01:54:18 [UNKNOWN]: I was, oh, this was so great.
01:54:19 --> 01:54:23 [UNKNOWN]: You know, power of cold, cold, that's you.
01:54:23 --> 01:54:24 [UNKNOWN]: It's interesting.
01:54:24 --> 01:54:28 [UNKNOWN]: She takes over dummy and you, I suppose, because they're less complex.
01:54:35 --> 01:54:37 [UNKNOWN]: I guess they're more independent in a way, so folks.
01:54:37 --> 01:54:40 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe more sophisticated, yeah.
01:54:41 --> 01:54:43 [UNKNOWN]: Harder to, you know, take over.
01:54:44 --> 01:54:44 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:54:45 --> 01:54:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I love, I love Jakastas design.
01:54:48 --> 01:54:59 [UNKNOWN]: Like, not just, I've mentioned the hood, but also, the horns comes from the comic, but also how they made her, she has this light feminine body that in the comics can be a bit, you know,
01:55:01 --> 01:55:05 [UNKNOWN]: go a bit in the let's draw robots with big boobies direction.
01:55:07 --> 01:55:09 [UNKNOWN]: But here they've done a tastefully.
01:55:10 --> 01:55:13 [UNKNOWN]: But that's what they did all the time, that all the time.
01:55:14 --> 01:55:18 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm glad that they're leaving you know, they obviously leaned away from that, right?
01:55:18 --> 01:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, she's still like self-awareness.
01:55:21 --> 01:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:22 --> 01:55:25 [UNKNOWN]: You see, she's a hot robot, it's for Buds Gambit.
01:55:26 --> 01:55:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I love the casting, Taniya Miller.
01:55:29 --> 01:55:34 [UNKNOWN]: I said, I know her from a lot of things, but I do now, especially think of her from the peripheral.
01:55:35 --> 01:55:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she was good, she was good in that.
01:55:38 --> 01:55:39 [UNKNOWN]: I like that show.
01:55:39 --> 01:55:41 [UNKNOWN]: You mentioned it last week.
01:55:41 --> 01:55:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like that show a lot.
01:55:43 --> 01:55:44 [UNKNOWN]: Or in our preview, I guess it was.
01:55:44 --> 01:55:46 [UNKNOWN]: What was it that you did?
01:55:46 --> 01:55:52 [UNKNOWN]: And so we find out she's the final team member who died years ago of natural causes in 2008.
01:55:52 --> 01:56:01 [UNKNOWN]: And so I think I was doing yes, who the MCU for no one doesn't know is always a few years ahead of us ever since end game.
01:56:01 --> 01:56:02 [UNKNOWN]: So this is set.
01:56:03 --> 01:56:08 [UNKNOWN]: It seems to be at the same time as the new Spider-Man movie in 2028.
01:56:08 --> 01:56:11 [UNKNOWN]: So shortly before Doomsday, which is about to come.
01:56:12 --> 01:56:14 [UNKNOWN]: And so it's been so she died 20
01:56:17 --> 01:56:25 [UNKNOWN]: So if we do the flashback with Katarina, then it would be a younger version of her.
01:56:26 --> 01:56:28 [UNKNOWN]: Why would it be a younger version of her?
01:56:28 --> 01:56:30 [UNKNOWN]: Because it would be 20 years ago.
01:56:31 --> 01:56:32 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:56:33 --> 01:56:37 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we think that she was murdered in some way, right?
01:56:38 --> 01:56:39 [UNKNOWN]: I think she was murdered, yeah.
01:56:40 --> 01:56:43 [UNKNOWN]: She seems very vengeful, you murdered.
01:56:45 --> 01:56:54 [UNKNOWN]: So if we get the flashback of her death, then it would be what we see now is how she would have appeared then.
01:56:55 --> 01:56:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:56 --> 01:56:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:57 --> 01:57:05 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm with with Tenea Miller, but I'm saying with Katarina, then because I was wondering why you get this guy very bad.
01:57:06 --> 01:57:07 [UNKNOWN]: Right, got you, got you.
01:57:08 --> 01:57:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe they just do computer de-aging a little bit.
01:57:12 --> 01:57:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's not that much.
01:57:13 --> 01:57:15 [UNKNOWN]: She was still in 20 years ago, but.
01:57:15 --> 01:57:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:57:16 --> 01:57:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:57:17 --> 01:57:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:57:18 --> 01:57:20 [UNKNOWN]: And so, but okay.
01:57:20 --> 01:57:24 [UNKNOWN]: So I do think Jo Casto is murdered and that sucks.
01:57:24 --> 01:57:33 [UNKNOWN]: But now she's going around murdering other people and threatening Tommy, how sympathetic is she at this point?
01:57:33 --> 01:57:36 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, she's not sympathetic yet to me.
01:57:37 --> 01:57:42 [UNKNOWN]: Until I find out, I need to find out the full reason she's not what she's doing.
01:57:44 --> 01:57:48 [UNKNOWN]: I do like that vision seems to believe in radical forgiveness.
01:57:48 --> 01:57:59 [UNKNOWN]: He still doesn't know our all-back story, but we see obviously he's extended this radical forgiveness to Ultron thus far, we'll see, we'll see how he feels after this episode.
01:58:00 --> 01:58:06 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron's obviously testing that here, but he also says before all that goes down, he says about Jakasta.
01:58:06 --> 01:58:12 [UNKNOWN]: This is a madness Ultron, it's pain, I could feed it, and the best
01:58:13 --> 01:58:18 [UNKNOWN]: weapon against pain, is can't, in compassion.
01:58:18 --> 01:58:23 [UNKNOWN]: I suppose your inclination would be to destroy her, and lay waste to any chance of redemption.
01:58:23 --> 01:58:30 [UNKNOWN]: On the contrary, I'm intrigued by a synthetic, willing to raise a banner for our kind.
01:58:30 --> 01:58:31 [UNKNOWN]: Mmm.
01:58:32 --> 01:58:40 [UNKNOWN]: It's an interesting contrast with vision saying with what I was saying earlier about how the system treated Tommy, where you know, immediately jump to crazy.
01:58:41 --> 01:58:50 [UNKNOWN]: And vision is showing, you know, he's showing a, he doesn't realize it, but he's showing more empathy than most humans here.
01:58:50 --> 01:58:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, absolutely.
01:58:54 --> 01:58:57 [UNKNOWN]: See, it's why I don't understand when people say visions of boring character.
01:58:57 --> 01:59:01 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, what, in the comics that I've never heard someone say visions boring?
01:59:02 --> 01:59:02 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
01:59:02 --> 01:59:07 [UNKNOWN]: I guess I've been reading the back of the vision comics with the letters pages and stuff.
01:59:07 --> 01:59:09 [UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh, you never read the letters pages.
01:59:09 --> 01:59:14 [UNKNOWN]: I learned that when that was too well, you never read the letters pages.
01:59:14 --> 01:59:15 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you kidding me?
01:59:16 --> 01:59:17 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh.
01:59:18 --> 01:59:20 [UNKNOWN]: What do you mean people think visions boring?
01:59:24 --> 01:59:24 [UNKNOWN]: I love vision.
01:59:26 --> 01:59:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:59:28 --> 01:59:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:59:29 --> 01:59:30 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to take a quick break here when we come back.
01:59:30 --> 01:59:34 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to get to what I think is the most fun parts of the episode.
01:59:34 --> 01:59:39 [UNKNOWN]: The Interpol break in the Gala break in.
01:59:40 --> 01:59:42 [UNKNOWN]: And the Ultron ending.
01:59:42 --> 01:59:43 [UNKNOWN]: We're back.
02:00:02 --> 02:00:05 [UNKNOWN]: Hello, would like to access some records, please?
02:00:06 --> 02:00:07 [UNKNOWN]: Prove you're not a robot.
02:00:08 --> 02:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: How many squares contain a fire?
02:00:10 --> 02:00:11 [UNKNOWN]: I should.
02:00:12 --> 02:00:15 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, full-fi, why doesn't there's a little one in the corner there?
02:00:15 --> 02:00:16 [UNKNOWN]: Now that's a call.
02:00:16 --> 02:00:17 [UNKNOWN]: Vision your blind.
02:00:17 --> 02:00:19 [UNKNOWN]: How many squares are these?
02:00:19 --> 02:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: Is it possible that our visual acuity is actually too discerning to pass such an ass-aligned low-resolution test?
02:00:27 --> 02:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Identify the hydrants or you will be booted from the system.
02:00:30 --> 02:00:32 [UNKNOWN]: Three, five, three, two, three, two, three.
02:00:32 --> 02:00:33 [UNKNOWN]: Correct.
02:00:33 --> 02:00:34 [UNKNOWN]: Clearly, five.
02:00:34 --> 02:00:35 [UNKNOWN]: Why is it the domed top?
02:00:35 --> 02:00:38 [UNKNOWN]: Well, the domes, the domed three, is correct.
02:00:43 --> 02:00:46 [UNKNOWN]: They didn't as clearly more human than all Chinese.
02:00:46 --> 02:00:47 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:00:47 --> 02:00:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:00:48 --> 02:00:49 [UNKNOWN]: He did that.
02:00:49 --> 02:00:50 [UNKNOWN]: He did the capture better.
02:00:50 --> 02:00:52 [UNKNOWN]: He definitely did the capture better.
02:00:52 --> 02:00:56 [UNKNOWN]: Which was a, which was the answer on Jeffrey on Friday?
02:00:56 --> 02:00:57 [UNKNOWN]: Well, oh, really?
02:00:57 --> 02:00:58 [UNKNOWN]: What was it?
02:00:58 --> 02:00:59 [UNKNOWN]: Capture.
02:00:59 --> 02:01:01 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, what is happening?
02:01:01 --> 02:01:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:02 --> 02:01:03 [UNKNOWN]: OK. About the creator of Capture.
02:01:04 --> 02:01:04 [UNKNOWN]: Oh.
02:01:05 --> 02:01:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:05 --> 02:01:07 [UNKNOWN]: You ain't not got it correct.
02:01:09 --> 02:01:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have a creative cap.
02:01:10 --> 02:01:15 [UNKNOWN]: I guess I did know at some point, but I don't know if from the top of my head.
02:01:16 --> 02:01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so, but Ultron is interesting.
02:01:19 --> 02:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I think Ultron has his part of his self identity.
02:01:23 --> 02:01:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, I know humans better because I watch them on television.
02:01:27 --> 02:01:34 [UNKNOWN]: And it kind of undermines that when vision is actually surprisingly better at humaning than he is.
02:01:34 --> 02:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
02:01:35 --> 02:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
02:01:37 --> 02:01:38 [UNKNOWN]: can't be the know about know it all.
02:01:38 --> 02:01:40 [UNKNOWN]: Which was a great way to show that too.
02:01:41 --> 02:01:54 [UNKNOWN]: We didn't have to go in through into all sorts of, you know, like, machinations to understand that, yes, vision is acutely more human than all-tron and all-tron recognizes this as well.
02:01:54 --> 02:01:55 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:01:55 --> 02:01:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:57 --> 02:02:09 [UNKNOWN]: I love how they made this whole break-in into this physical visual thing for us, so they're pretending to be too random female agents.
02:02:09 --> 02:02:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, of course, we can see that they're not these agents, but the bots can't, they just see the IDs.
02:02:17 --> 02:02:19 [UNKNOWN]: I love when they're like, oh, what's the password?
02:02:19 --> 02:02:20 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I would like to use, I forget.
02:02:20 --> 02:02:23 [UNKNOWN]: Like, and we're really, I don't know, like, you get three.
02:02:25 --> 02:02:32 [UNKNOWN]: And so they start going through, and they have like, it's like a detective's notebook, but it's, you know, fake Instagram posts.
02:02:35 --> 02:02:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then they both realize it's the pet.
02:02:36 --> 02:02:37 [UNKNOWN]: Search out with a nut.
02:02:38 --> 02:02:42 [UNKNOWN]: That whole interaction was absolutely topical to me.
02:02:42 --> 02:02:42 [UNKNOWN]: I loved it.
02:02:42 --> 02:02:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a scene that I'll probably go back to.
02:02:47 --> 02:02:48 [UNKNOWN]: Even when the series is over.
02:02:49 --> 02:02:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:02:50 --> 02:02:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'll watch that scene in another three months.
02:02:53 --> 02:02:53 [UNKNOWN]: Just that.
02:02:54 --> 02:02:55 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
02:02:56 --> 02:03:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I would love to see also what would vision be like in the time variance authority.
02:03:03 --> 02:03:05 [UNKNOWN]: He'd be like, oh, yeah.
02:03:05 --> 02:03:06 [UNKNOWN]: This is just like interval.
02:03:09 --> 02:03:09 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah.
02:03:09 --> 02:03:22 [UNKNOWN]: So, Catarina Wells, we learn that's a married McDonald character, last living member of that microch biotech team that's still alive, hosting a gala, like really just not hiding at all.
02:03:22 --> 02:03:32 [UNKNOWN]: And it's called the re-evolution of men, a charity event for research programs on pioneering AI and trans-transhumanism.
02:03:34 --> 02:03:48 [UNKNOWN]: Like, this entire conversation in the context of the real world, watching this play out in this sci-fi fantasy world, super hero world, it's so jarring.
02:03:48 --> 02:03:48 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
02:03:48 --> 02:03:56 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh my God, like there's a bunch of real type human beings that are talking this shit.
02:03:56 --> 02:04:00 [UNKNOWN]: And have no idea what the fuck they're talking about and it's just like, ah,
02:04:01 --> 02:04:06 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, Trent humanism is absolutely a real topic, but then, okay, that's the question, like
02:04:07 --> 02:04:18 [UNKNOWN]: Part of me, you know, I've made jokes about download me into my robot body where I can live forever and do back hand springs again and all that stuff and that sounds appealing.
02:04:19 --> 02:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: But I suppose it's more like the reality of of teleporting is that you are destroyed killed where you originate and then every and then reassembled.
02:04:33 --> 02:04:42 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm, so it's technically a new you and in this case like you can upload my mind and so me this person who made that decision to upload my mind
02:04:44 --> 02:04:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'm dead, like the original, dead, but from the perspective of the new consciousness who remembers everything before, yes, yes.
02:04:53 --> 02:04:54 [UNKNOWN]: There's a throughline.
02:04:54 --> 02:05:00 [UNKNOWN]: So you're making this decision for a version of you to live on even the version that made the decision well not.
02:05:00 --> 02:05:01 [UNKNOWN]: There's no longer, yeah.
02:05:01 --> 02:05:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:05:02 --> 02:05:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's crazy.
02:05:03 --> 02:05:04 [UNKNOWN]: Would you want that?
02:05:05 --> 02:05:06 [UNKNOWN]: Or I don't know.
02:05:06 --> 02:05:06 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:05:06 --> 02:05:07 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I
02:05:09 --> 02:05:17 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, in the case of like, I can see, you know, being afraid of your kids, living on without you, although at some point, that is an extra order.
02:05:17 --> 02:05:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I don't know.
02:05:19 --> 02:05:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I would want that, though.
02:05:20 --> 02:05:21 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:05:22 --> 02:05:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:05:24 --> 02:05:32 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I suppose part of me would want to, even though, like, he had saddens me to know, it wouldn't actually be me experiencing.
02:05:32 --> 02:05:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, that's, I think that's the thing.
02:05:35 --> 02:05:36 [UNKNOWN]: How much of it is me?
02:05:36 --> 02:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: But there is some legacy I'm leaving behind.
02:05:39 --> 02:05:42 [UNKNOWN]: how much of it would be the actual me.
02:05:45 --> 02:05:50 [UNKNOWN]: And then we get this, and this seems to be maybe something embedded in their code.
02:05:50 --> 02:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: We hear in that clip where Ultron overheard, Catarina talking about him on the news.
02:05:56 --> 02:06:01 [UNKNOWN]: The clip I played a moment ago, we heard her say piece in our time later.
02:06:01 --> 02:06:08 [UNKNOWN]: Jocosta shows up and parrots that back in Catarina's face, piece in our time.
02:06:08 --> 02:06:11 [UNKNOWN]: And where we first heard that is Ultron.
02:06:12 --> 02:06:13 [UNKNOWN]: saying peace in our time.
02:06:13 --> 02:06:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's right.
02:06:15 --> 02:06:17 [UNKNOWN]: Let's build, you know, what was it?
02:06:17 --> 02:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm sued around the world, armor around the world.
02:06:22 --> 02:06:27 [UNKNOWN]: And so it seems like maybe Jocosta genuinely wanted peace in our time.
02:06:27 --> 02:06:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, don't call her Mary, Katarina.
02:06:34 --> 02:06:38 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I ended up selling their company, or I don't, I'm supposed the others are involved.
02:06:39 --> 02:06:44 [UNKNOWN]: Selling their company to a weapons company and corrupting what piece in our time means.
02:06:44 --> 02:06:45 [UNKNOWN]: But then made all trunks.
02:06:46 --> 02:06:47 [UNKNOWN]: And then that came out as all trunks.
02:06:47 --> 02:06:48 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:06:48 --> 02:06:49 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:06:50 --> 02:06:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:06:52 --> 02:06:56 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so let's go to the gala, but on the way, let's stop by and pick up Lisa.
02:06:56 --> 02:07:03 [UNKNOWN]: So Tommy reaches out to Lisa to catch her up and ask her for help getting them into the gala.
02:07:03 --> 02:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: It was interesting, this seems to be a skill he has when they, they showed her phone ringing when he called and it said a known caller.
02:07:12 --> 02:07:19 [UNKNOWN]: And then it like flash, like he pushed it through a electromagnetic message and it's a pick up its Thomas.
02:07:22 --> 02:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: So he's like, not just a speedster, but he has tech power, it's basic.
02:07:26 --> 02:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:07:27 --> 02:07:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:07:28 --> 02:07:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:07:29 --> 02:07:30 [UNKNOWN]: My vision.
02:07:30 --> 02:07:34 [UNKNOWN]: But when they meet her in the park, vision says, I'm happy you're here.
02:07:34 --> 02:07:38 [UNKNOWN]: But not as happy as Thomas, his fair moon levels have spiked 47% since you arrived.
02:07:39 --> 02:07:42 [UNKNOWN]: Could you imagine what an embarrassment.
02:07:42 --> 02:07:43 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh.
02:07:43 --> 02:07:47 [UNKNOWN]: You know, when he said that, I flashed back to my own childhood.
02:07:47 --> 02:07:48 [UNKNOWN]: When.
02:07:49 --> 02:07:53 [UNKNOWN]: My father, oh gosh, this man, such a wonderful man.
02:07:55 --> 02:07:57 [UNKNOWN]: He used to come get me from parties.
02:07:59 --> 02:08:00 [UNKNOWN]: And he would announce himself.
02:08:02 --> 02:08:11 [UNKNOWN]: I am here to pick up Junior in the, the most Haitianist way possible.
02:08:11 --> 02:08:14 [UNKNOWN]: It was my source of embarrassment, like,
02:08:15 --> 02:08:16 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my gosh.
02:08:16 --> 02:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: I knew that at some point in this evening, senior was going to show up and me like, just just be a dad.
02:08:26 --> 02:08:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't want you here, dad.
02:08:29 --> 02:08:30 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I think?
02:08:30 --> 02:08:31 [UNKNOWN]: This is real father.
02:08:31 --> 02:08:33 [UNKNOWN]: Like, puppy, please, don't come.
02:08:34 --> 02:08:34 [UNKNOWN]: it's okay.
02:08:36 --> 02:08:47 [UNKNOWN]: So in that moment, I just felt the embarrassment that, you know, Tauvi was been feeling and right then and there, Flakes father just being a father.
02:08:47 --> 02:08:49 [UNKNOWN]: You know, my son sure likes you.
02:08:49 --> 02:08:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:50 --> 02:08:52 [UNKNOWN]: There's a oblivious to the embarrassment that it's causing.
02:08:53 --> 02:08:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:54 --> 02:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: But the same time for Tauvi must have been nice to have that.
02:08:57 --> 02:08:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's really, absolutely.
02:08:58 --> 02:08:59 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
02:08:59 --> 02:09:00 [UNKNOWN]: You're not used to it.
02:09:00 --> 02:09:04 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I look back on those moments with extreme fondness.
02:09:04 --> 02:09:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:09:05 --> 02:09:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:09:07 --> 02:09:11 [UNKNOWN]: And Lisa, she shows up at the Gala.
02:09:11 --> 02:09:13 [UNKNOWN]: She has, it took me a minute.
02:09:13 --> 02:09:16 [UNKNOWN]: I took me to the rewatch to completely get what was going on.
02:09:16 --> 02:09:22 [UNKNOWN]: And she, her coat of arms, in this case, and I'll just say that coat of arms is her character's coat name in the comics.
02:09:22 --> 02:09:23 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:09:23 --> 02:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um, she, yeah, in this case, like, it's a, it's a jacket that has fake arms and that arms, yeah.
02:09:32 --> 02:09:38 [UNKNOWN]: Fold it in front of her so that she can use her real arms to reach into people's wallets and steal from them.
02:09:39 --> 02:09:39 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
02:09:39 --> 02:09:40 [UNKNOWN]: Nicely done.
02:09:40 --> 02:09:40 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
02:09:40 --> 02:09:42 [UNKNOWN]: The version of it.
02:09:42 --> 02:09:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:09:43 --> 02:09:45 [UNKNOWN]: It's a Thomas is the one who names it coat of arms.
02:09:45 --> 02:09:48 [UNKNOWN]: So in a way, he'll have given her her superhero name.
02:09:48 --> 02:09:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:09:50 --> 02:09:54 [UNKNOWN]: or a super person name, whichever way she goes.
02:09:55 --> 02:09:57 [UNKNOWN]: And Thomas, yeah, happens to speak Italian.
02:09:57 --> 02:10:01 [UNKNOWN]: And like, okay, the writer, I think the writer of this episode might just who wrote it again.
02:10:04 --> 02:10:09 [UNKNOWN]: It happens to be a soft spot, a soft spot for Italy and all of the things like that.
02:10:09 --> 02:10:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Michael Taylor, do you speak Italian for some reason?
02:10:13 --> 02:10:14 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have an Italian wife or something?
02:10:14 --> 02:10:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:10:15 --> 02:10:17 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't look into it to be honest.
02:10:19 --> 02:10:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so they have this argument in public to distract, to help her.
02:10:23 --> 02:10:27 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm like, they are so lucky that no one else there happened to speak Italian.
02:10:27 --> 02:10:29 [UNKNOWN]: That's not the rarest of languages.
02:10:31 --> 02:10:37 [UNKNOWN]: But again, I'm jealous of vision that he can just download whatever language and learn and speak it obviously he can do that.
02:10:37 --> 02:10:40 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, is he kind of one of the most powerful?
02:10:41 --> 02:10:42 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
02:10:42 --> 02:10:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:10:44 --> 02:10:46 [UNKNOWN]: Can do everything a lot.
02:10:49 --> 02:10:58 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron, of course, mocking the whole Gala, a monument to man playing God, celebrating the wonders and dangers of an evolution, they themselves created.
02:10:58 --> 02:11:02 [UNKNOWN]: And Vision says, I see a family tree.
02:11:02 --> 02:11:04 [UNKNOWN]: He says, you are unbearably naive.
02:11:04 --> 02:11:16 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess that's sort of like, yeah, that he sees them as an evolution or the children of humanity, the next generation of humanity,
02:11:17 --> 02:11:19 [UNKNOWN]: which I don't think humanity don't like to.
02:11:19 --> 02:11:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't like to know.
02:11:21 --> 02:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: Doesn't sound good for you like they're being replaced?
02:11:23 --> 02:11:24 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
02:11:25 --> 02:11:25 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:11:26 --> 02:11:26 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:11:27 --> 02:11:29 [UNKNOWN]: And then things revolve into bickering.
02:11:29 --> 02:11:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tommy and Lisa totally almost kissed before vision interrupted them when they were outside the gallery.
02:11:37 --> 02:11:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think so.
02:11:38 --> 02:11:43 [UNKNOWN]: I think so, but then again, your parents in just messing things up for you.
02:11:43 --> 02:11:44 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
02:11:45 --> 02:11:47 [UNKNOWN]: Don't even know that they're doing it, but they're doing it.
02:11:48 --> 02:11:54 [UNKNOWN]: But then so Lisa, she's like, he just wants Lisa to be like, yeah, you found your dad.
02:11:54 --> 02:11:55 [UNKNOWN]: That's wonderful.
02:11:55 --> 02:11:57 [UNKNOWN]: And she's like, oh, you're going to get hurt.
02:11:57 --> 02:12:00 [UNKNOWN]: Or are you sure that you can trust him?
02:12:00 --> 02:12:00 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:12:01 --> 02:12:06 [UNKNOWN]: Given that some people have expressed suspicion and Lisa, what do you think?
02:12:06 --> 02:12:08 [UNKNOWN]: Like, Tommy accuses her of jealousy.
02:12:08 --> 02:12:09 [UNKNOWN]: Is it that?
02:12:09 --> 02:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: Is it something else?
02:12:11 --> 02:12:12 [UNKNOWN]: Is it genuine worry for him?
02:12:15 --> 02:12:17 [UNKNOWN]: I do.
02:12:19 --> 02:12:22 [UNKNOWN]: But I do think she should have choked in that moment.
02:12:23 --> 02:12:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just let him.
02:12:24 --> 02:12:31 [UNKNOWN]: You could, yeah, let me have this moment and then you know, later on, you can try to unpack whole that stuff, but you can't write that in there.
02:12:32 --> 02:12:41 [UNKNOWN]: And also like let Vision mess up once before, you know, you can't blame his prior deaths were not his fault.
02:12:41 --> 02:12:43 [UNKNOWN]: So you can't blame him for
02:12:45 --> 02:12:50 [UNKNOWN]: but she's so untrusting based on her own background, which we know suspiciously, little about so far.
02:12:52 --> 02:12:54 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, vision, it's interesting.
02:12:55 --> 02:12:57 [UNKNOWN]: To Tommy, he's like, if she goes down, you run.
02:12:57 --> 02:12:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, get out of here, you know.
02:12:59 --> 02:13:04 [UNKNOWN]: And but to Ultron, Ultron's like, you should send him away and he's like, it's safe for if I keep him close.
02:13:04 --> 02:13:06 [UNKNOWN]: So he's justifying, he wants him there.
02:13:07 --> 02:13:08 [UNKNOWN]: Also wants to feel like he's protecting him.
02:13:09 --> 02:13:11 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it seems very torn on this, which I understand.
02:13:11 --> 02:13:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:13:13 --> 02:13:20 [UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, he does that Freudian slip, where he says, like, the five AI in my head in Tommy's head, wait a minute.
02:13:20 --> 02:13:30 [UNKNOWN]: You said, you said, and then, of course, conveniently timed exposition in the Gallup presentation, Ultron and Vision are on screen next to each other.
02:13:30 --> 02:13:41 [UNKNOWN]: And so Tommy's like, you kept him a genocidal maniac inside your head, not me, the old vision bullshit.
02:13:41 --> 02:13:45 [UNKNOWN]: Which, of course, it is, because he could purge that, I'll try and if he wanted to.
02:13:46 --> 02:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
02:13:47 --> 02:13:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
02:13:48 --> 02:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we hear.
02:13:51 --> 02:13:54 [UNKNOWN]: I remember Sikovian refugees come into the foster system.
02:13:55 --> 02:13:57 [UNKNOWN]: Crying next, being in a sleep, all because of that bastard.
02:13:58 --> 02:14:00 [UNKNOWN]: That's the child of Banner and Stark.
02:14:01 --> 02:14:02 [UNKNOWN]: Poor Stella.
02:14:03 --> 02:14:04 [UNKNOWN]: Lonely, angry.
02:14:06 --> 02:14:06 [UNKNOWN]: misunderstood.
02:14:06 --> 02:14:09 [UNKNOWN]: Except perhaps by you.
02:14:12 --> 02:14:28 [UNKNOWN]: and so well that Ultron also is saying I'm not that vision throughout these first four episodes kept saying insistent he's not that and we have Ultron also saying I am not that.
02:14:29 --> 02:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: Well I think in this case he's saying like I am what I was made to be also
02:14:39 --> 02:14:48 [UNKNOWN]: And but I think he's making a distinction between a like what you were saying earlier about putting the worst on your parents, you know, yeah, but I also think he's making a distinction between that.
02:14:48 --> 02:14:49 [UNKNOWN]: I don't try.
02:14:49 --> 02:14:49 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he is.
02:14:51 --> 02:14:52 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I felt in that moment.
02:14:52 --> 02:14:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:14:54 --> 02:15:10 [UNKNOWN]: And from Tommy's perspective, if he, you know, the way he heard about this was in this book that's obviously going to vilify Ultron the media, constantly vilifying Ultron, and he knew someone who suffered based on Ultron's actions.
02:15:11 --> 02:15:13 [UNKNOWN]: That's going to paint his picture of it.
02:15:13 --> 02:15:15 [UNKNOWN]: And it's not that it's an unfair picture.
02:15:15 --> 02:15:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's just that vision has this extreme empathy that comes with radical forgiveness.
02:15:27 --> 02:15:36 [UNKNOWN]: And he's one of the only, maybe the only entity in the world other than the other sharing that head who has that insight on Ultron as anything other than just
02:15:41 --> 02:15:42 [UNKNOWN]: that there's more to him than that, yeah.
02:15:43 --> 02:15:46 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about Catarina?
02:15:46 --> 02:15:51 [UNKNOWN]: Like, she's up on stage, weeping that she's forgiving herself and Jocasta shows up.
02:15:51 --> 02:15:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like, come on.
02:15:52 --> 02:15:54 [UNKNOWN]: Hold up, hold up, hold up, wait a minute.
02:15:57 --> 02:15:58 [UNKNOWN]: I love that movie.
02:15:58 --> 02:16:00 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you don't get to cry.
02:16:00 --> 02:16:01 [UNKNOWN]: You don't get to cry.
02:16:02 --> 02:16:11 [UNKNOWN]: For whatever it is, since you might have done, we don't know yet how much Catarina was involved with Jocasta's death, but apparently Jocasta thinks,
02:16:12 --> 02:16:15 [UNKNOWN]: everything or surrounding her death had to do with these people.
02:16:15 --> 02:16:19 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that was really interesting for giving yourself a white.
02:16:19 --> 02:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: What are you forgetting yourself for?
02:16:21 --> 02:16:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:16:23 --> 02:16:25 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought, I thought you might hide like the others.
02:16:25 --> 02:16:28 [UNKNOWN]: So why do you think she's the only one who didn't hide?
02:16:29 --> 02:16:31 [UNKNOWN]: And she says, we've been hiding from the ghost of you for years.
02:16:31 --> 02:16:33 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe she just came out of hiding or something.
02:16:33 --> 02:16:37 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe she wanted to be found and held accountable.
02:16:37 --> 02:16:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:16:39 --> 02:16:42 [UNKNOWN]: And then we come back to this exact same theme again.
02:16:42 --> 02:16:45 [UNKNOWN]: Caterina says to Jakosta, I am not the woman you knew.
02:16:45 --> 02:16:46 [UNKNOWN]: I am trying.
02:16:47 --> 02:16:51 [UNKNOWN]: I am finally trying to create the world you wanted Jakosta says peace in our time.
02:16:55 --> 02:17:00 [UNKNOWN]: I just why do I like think even Ultron's may be trying harder than her?
02:17:01 --> 02:17:02 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, I don't know.
02:17:05 --> 02:17:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, so so many questions about the nature of like your cost to how human is this imprint that's left.
02:17:12 --> 02:17:14 [UNKNOWN]: How does that compare with the other AI?
02:17:15 --> 02:17:19 [UNKNOWN]: But we don't have time to ponder that because it gets into a fight.
02:17:20 --> 02:17:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tommy gets Lisa to get the crowd out of the venue, but he does not run his vision commanded and he actually super speeds to rescue Catarina.
02:17:31 --> 02:17:32 [UNKNOWN]: He's like nice.
02:17:35 --> 02:17:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, nice, well done.
02:17:38 --> 02:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: But then Jakasta is stronger than vision, do you think?
02:17:43 --> 02:17:44 [UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, so they have this exchange.
02:17:44 --> 02:17:45 [UNKNOWN]: What do you know of death?
02:17:45 --> 02:17:47 [UNKNOWN]: You'd be surprised, same.
02:17:47 --> 02:17:51 [UNKNOWN]: So like, okay, many questions there about the chicassticide of that.
02:17:52 --> 02:17:56 [UNKNOWN]: But then, so the AI in the head says, she's fighting like a woman with nothing to lose.
02:17:56 --> 02:17:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because she has already lost it, that's what Friday and Edith say.
02:18:00 --> 02:18:03 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron directs vision.
02:18:03 --> 02:18:07 [UNKNOWN]: He says, you know, remind her of her human side and so he calls her by her human name.
02:18:09 --> 02:18:13 [UNKNOWN]: and she like kind of glitches and goes into human form.
02:18:13 --> 02:18:17 [UNKNOWN]: Like she can't deny that part of her identity, but she insists.
02:18:19 --> 02:18:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, she says, I'm not based on her.
02:18:20 --> 02:18:21 [UNKNOWN]: I am her.
02:18:23 --> 02:18:29 [UNKNOWN]: Which is, who put interesting because of what the comic, the castes are.
02:18:29 --> 02:18:29 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:18:30 --> 02:18:32 [UNKNOWN]: Which is, you were going to say real quick?
02:18:32 --> 02:18:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, which is, you know, Ultron created her, the body, and then convinced Hank Pym to transfer Janet Van Dyne, the was, life essence, and to jacosta.
02:18:48 --> 02:18:51 [UNKNOWN]: So basically, it is Janet Van Dyne, it's not a copy.
02:18:53 --> 02:18:56 [UNKNOWN]: And here we have jacosta saying, I'm not a copy, I am.
02:19:01 --> 02:19:02 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about what Ultron says?
02:19:03 --> 02:19:07 [UNKNOWN]: This seems like, is it pure manipulation that's certainly manipulation?
02:19:07 --> 02:19:17 [UNKNOWN]: But is there something to it when he tells vision that jacasses beating him because vision is basically his worry about his son is holding him back.
02:19:17 --> 02:19:22 [UNKNOWN]: He says your operation system is emotionally compromised.
02:19:23 --> 02:19:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's all a play.
02:19:25 --> 02:19:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you think that's true.
02:19:26 --> 02:19:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no.
02:19:27 --> 02:19:31 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think your cast is just stronger than just built stronger than vision?
02:19:31 --> 02:19:34 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think to cast a wasn't holding back.
02:19:35 --> 02:19:36 [UNKNOWN]: And I think vision was.
02:19:37 --> 02:19:42 [UNKNOWN]: Did you think he was holding back because of Tommy or he was holding back because of mercy for jacasta?
02:19:42 --> 02:19:43 [UNKNOWN]: I think something else.
02:19:43 --> 02:19:43 [UNKNOWN]: Both.
02:19:45 --> 02:19:50 [UNKNOWN]: Not wanting to cause wanting destruction and also not wanting to destroy jacasta.
02:19:51 --> 02:19:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
02:19:53 --> 02:19:55 [UNKNOWN]: But I know that the shout heard around the world.
02:19:55 --> 02:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: You me was me the other AI Tommy.
02:19:59 --> 02:20:01 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely everyone vision.
02:20:01 --> 02:20:05 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, you dumb ass.
02:20:05 --> 02:20:12 [UNKNOWN]: No, there's nothing good they can come handing the wheel over to Ultron.
02:20:13 --> 02:20:19 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, yeah, but you and I both agreed.
02:20:19 --> 02:20:21 [UNKNOWN]: that Ultron, he's in love.
02:20:22 --> 02:20:28 [UNKNOWN]: Jo Costa was a no danger because as soon as he saw your Costa, he was like, hello, full on heart eyes.
02:20:30 --> 02:20:31 [UNKNOWN]: He's in love.
02:20:33 --> 02:20:34 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I promise not to harm her.
02:20:35 --> 02:20:37 [UNKNOWN]: The most human thing that you've done so far.
02:20:37 --> 02:20:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:20:38 --> 02:20:41 [UNKNOWN]: Fall in love, love at first sight, there we go.
02:20:41 --> 02:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we get okay.
02:20:42 --> 02:20:56 [UNKNOWN]: So he had this respect for her earlier when he was like, you know, I'm intrigued by synthetic willing to raise a banner for our kind, but then, um, but then here he sees her like being a badass and he's like, oh, she's cool.
02:20:56 --> 02:20:57 [UNKNOWN]: She's so cool.
02:20:57 --> 02:20:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:20:57 --> 02:20:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:21:00 --> 02:21:05 [UNKNOWN]: So earlier, Ultron says division, sadly love
02:21:11 --> 02:21:18 [UNKNOWN]: and vision says a cynical deflection from one who has never felt so I wonder until now exactly is it gonna be the change yeah
02:21:20 --> 02:21:22 [UNKNOWN]: But zero surprise, he promises not to harm her.
02:21:23 --> 02:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: Meg is surprised at what he does here instead.
02:21:26 --> 02:21:28 [UNKNOWN]: That was, yeah, I was taking him back by now.
02:21:28 --> 02:21:30 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh shit, what is this?
02:21:31 --> 02:21:41 [UNKNOWN]: He just basically like whisks, caterina back into it in like triggers a laser pupule from jacosta so that caterina is vaporized.
02:21:42 --> 02:21:44 [UNKNOWN]: And he says now we have nothing to fight about.
02:21:47 --> 02:21:54 [UNKNOWN]: And but this also means because Dr. Costa wanted to take Catarina's face, she would have had to take the whole head because you need the bones.
02:21:54 --> 02:21:55 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:21:55 --> 02:21:55 [UNKNOWN]: But I know.
02:21:56 --> 02:22:02 [UNKNOWN]: And she wanted that was going to be the final biomarker to get into whatever it is she's trying to get into.
02:22:02 --> 02:22:04 [UNKNOWN]: And now she, that's, that's gone.
02:22:05 --> 02:22:06 [UNKNOWN]: Supposedly.
02:22:06 --> 02:22:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:22:08 --> 02:22:08 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
02:22:09 --> 02:22:12 [UNKNOWN]: And she says, this isn't over.
02:22:12 --> 02:22:15 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron Vision says, Oh, I certainly hope not.
02:22:16 --> 02:22:18 [UNKNOWN]: Let me get my one TV glass.
02:22:19 --> 02:22:20 [UNKNOWN]: And my cigarette.
02:22:21 --> 02:22:22 [UNKNOWN]: I hope not, either.
02:22:24 --> 02:22:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, compliments to Paul Bettany for playing All-Tron so well and compliments to the audio team for lip syncing the All-Tron voice to Paul Bettany.
02:22:34 --> 02:22:35 [UNKNOWN]: Which, yeah.
02:22:35 --> 02:22:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, mouth so well.
02:22:37 --> 02:22:40 [UNKNOWN]: Well, the good job done all around there.
02:22:41 --> 02:22:56 [UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, Ultron locks vision and the other AI down inside his head and he's taken over control and I'm glad that they didn't like do some thing where the where Ultron's trying to trick Tommy into thinking he's vision would have annoyed me.
02:22:56 --> 02:22:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would have annoyed me too.
02:22:58 --> 02:23:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tommy immediately knows it's Ultron.
02:23:01 --> 02:23:08 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron basically draws the line of their family in connection in case Tommy had connected the dots.
02:23:08 --> 02:23:09 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, you can call me pop-up.
02:23:10 --> 02:23:11 [UNKNOWN]: Don't be so formal.
02:23:11 --> 02:23:17 [UNKNOWN]: You can call me pop-up and says it's time for chat and walks out with him roll credits.
02:23:18 --> 02:23:19 [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
02:23:20 --> 02:23:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:23:22 --> 02:23:23 [UNKNOWN]: How long?
02:23:23 --> 02:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: OK, I still think I think Ultron redemption arc incoming.
02:23:27 --> 02:23:30 [UNKNOWN]: OK. What do you think?
02:23:32 --> 02:23:34 [UNKNOWN]: What's your music on the future of the whole trend in this year?
02:23:34 --> 02:23:52 [UNKNOWN]: So let me just say, there was this year, earlier this year, last year, you run on West Coast Avengers, where included in that run was a very, was ultra.
02:23:53 --> 02:23:56 [UNKNOWN]: But this version of ultra hadn't been rehabilitated.
02:23:57 --> 02:24:03 [UNKNOWN]: it was acting for the good, and was a member of that electricity.
02:24:04 --> 02:24:08 [UNKNOWN]: So could there be a rehab of Ultron in common?
02:24:08 --> 02:24:09 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
02:24:10 --> 02:24:13 [UNKNOWN]: Do I think it will be my musings, it's no.
02:24:16 --> 02:24:19 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think he'll end up being killed at the end of this?
02:24:21 --> 02:24:23 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think Ultron would die.
02:24:23 --> 02:24:30 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think they can kill Ultron, I don't, I don't think so, I don't think so, no.
02:24:30 --> 02:24:34 [UNKNOWN]: This recipe is not what doomsday and secret words are coming.
02:24:35 --> 02:24:37 [UNKNOWN]: Everything they kill him in this series.
02:24:38 --> 02:24:43 [UNKNOWN]: Hopefully they learned from, yeah, burning his story too quickly.
02:24:43 --> 02:24:59 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that, I feel like that was one of the biggest complaints about age of Ultron is like, you, is that they wasted Ultron, you know, he's a major comic character, and they MCU, one of the things that don't like that they've done is they've burned through villains too quickly.
02:24:59 --> 02:25:05 [UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, hmm, any final thoughts on this episode on these,
02:25:07 --> 02:25:07 [UNKNOWN]: No.
02:25:08 --> 02:25:16 [UNKNOWN]: Again, I enjoyed these two more than I enjoyed the first two, not saying that I didn't enjoy the first two, but I just liked these two.
02:25:17 --> 02:25:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:25:17 --> 02:25:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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02:26:25 --> 02:26:27 [UNKNOWN]: It seems like David's a convert for slow horses.
02:26:27 --> 02:26:28 [UNKNOWN]: Everyone seems like it.
02:26:28 --> 02:26:29 [UNKNOWN]: I don't like slow horses.
02:26:30 --> 02:26:31 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a pretty good show.
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