Just in the nick of time for the finale, Jean and Elysia catch up on episodes 5, 6, and 7 of VisionQuest: "Firewall," "Deadlock," and "Immolation." Tracking the characters across the real world as well as multiple mindspaces, they untangle the web of doppelgangers as the characters explore the layers of their own identities in their quests to cross the Valley of Grief and make it out the other side to build something new.
Join us on this journey to the center of the synthezoid soul as we ask... Who is the Client really, and exactly how many characters are in love with our Butcherbird Jocasta now?
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00:25 --> 00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome to comics versus a lower-hounds podcast your guides to the source code within.
00:30 --> 00:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia, just back from navigating the haunted maze of my subconscious processes.
00:36 --> 00:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm Jean right up on the pedestal where you last left me.
00:40 --> 00:42 [UNKNOWN]: Ready to catch up on three episodes.
00:42 --> 00:43 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
00:43 --> 00:44 [UNKNOWN]: Three episodes.
00:44 --> 00:47 [UNKNOWN]: Episodes 5, 6 and 7 of Vision Quest.
00:48 --> 01:04 [UNKNOWN]: And that is my fault, sorry for the delay had to tend to other work projects, but I mean it's also it's a shame because not to spoil our fresh takes, but I think we both really liked episodes five and six.
01:06 --> 01:10 [UNKNOWN]: And so we're going to get to talk about them today, but then also combine with the reveals of seven.
01:10 --> 01:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12 --> 01:15 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, check out our previous episodes.
01:15 --> 01:29 [UNKNOWN]: If you haven't yet, we started with a season preview, where we recap the key stories of the characters going into the show and everything we knew about the show going in plus links to the comics that we expected to show up.
01:29 --> 01:34 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, we did episodes one and two breakdown together, three and four together.
01:34 --> 01:36 [UNKNOWN]: And now five through seven together.
01:36 --> 01:39 [UNKNOWN]: So we can wrap up next week with the finale.
01:39 --> 01:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:41 --> 01:47 [UNKNOWN]: We are going to get right into the spoilers through Episode 7 to make sure you're caught up before you listen on.
01:47 --> 01:56 [UNKNOWN]: And we also reserve the right to bring up any comic book connections and connections to any and all previous releases in the MCU.
01:57 --> 02:00 [UNKNOWN]: John, what did you think of these three episodes?
02:01 --> 02:02 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, let me just thought of by saying.
02:02 --> 02:03 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:03 --> 02:04 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:07 --> 02:20 [UNKNOWN]: you have placed me on a pedestal so impossibly high and not to honor me, not to honor me, but to spare yourself the effort of the climb.
02:22 --> 02:25 [UNKNOWN]: That's all you need to know about vision quest.
02:27 --> 02:31 [UNKNOWN]: That's all you need to know about vision quest, okay?
02:31 --> 02:46 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have anything to say about the show that I haven't already said, but this line to me, you know, just perfectly encapsulates this show for me.
02:47 --> 02:54 [UNKNOWN]: Because it's not just vision and the shenanigans in the mind-scape, but it's also the acting and the writing.
02:57 --> 02:58 [UNKNOWN]: incredibly well done.
03:00 --> 03:18 [UNKNOWN]: And it just is a joy to watch actors being given some, you know, worthwhile material that yes can be cheesy at times, but it's also so darn cool.
03:18 --> 03:20 [UNKNOWN]: Which I can age good.
03:20 --> 03:22 [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
03:22 --> 03:22 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good one.
03:23 --> 03:25 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, so yeah, this is that
03:26 --> 03:35 [UNKNOWN]: just reading that and watching that scene again when vision says that to white vision that's the show for me.
03:35 --> 03:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's where I'm drawn into this show because of these, you know, interactions that the characters are having and I just can't say enough about how I do really love this part of the of the MCU.
03:49 --> 03:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:50 --> 03:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:50 --> 03:57 [UNKNOWN]: If I were to say what connects, you know, that they're calling it a trilogy, one division, I get all along and vision quest.
03:57 --> 04:13 [UNKNOWN]: And if I were to say what connects these three shows other than the obvious, you know, character interconnections, I would say, yeah, one, it's dropping bars, like there's absolutely, there's memorable lines from each of these shows that just come to the heart of humanity.
04:13 --> 04:20 [UNKNOWN]: and I think that's one thing I really looked forward to going into this and they have not disappointed at all.
04:20 --> 04:29 [UNKNOWN]: On this episode, of course, was like the penultimate realization, main characters getting in touch with themselves and yeah.
04:30 --> 04:37 [UNKNOWN]: I would say the other thing that the three have in common is coping with grief.
04:37 --> 04:38 [UNKNOWN]: It's the trilogy of grief.
04:40 --> 04:45 [UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, we've got obviously the entire maximum family mourning each other throughout.
04:45 --> 04:51 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, Agatha also mourning Nikki and Agatha all along as well.
04:51 --> 04:58 [UNKNOWN]: And it does seem, yes, we're going back to grief, but I feel like this is how grief works in real life where you,
05:00 --> 05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Each of them takes a step forward toward the end of the show, toward an each time in each show, they're stepping a bit more forward into healing.
05:11 --> 05:15 [UNKNOWN]: But it's, you know, grief is not something you go through once and it's over.
05:15 --> 05:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's something that comes in waves and you just get a little bit ahead of it a little more each time.
05:23 --> 05:24 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
05:24 --> 05:24 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
05:26 --> 05:29 [UNKNOWN]: And Jean, I have to say, you were right.
05:29 --> 05:32 [UNKNOWN]: The handler is AI or the internet point there.
05:33 --> 05:34 [UNKNOWN]: Where do you think she escaped to?
05:34 --> 05:35 [UNKNOWN]: What was he here?
05:36 --> 05:40 [UNKNOWN]: Whoever she went there, I just want to help some poor freshman in Atlanta.
05:42 --> 05:45 [UNKNOWN]: I hear you say, it's just get out of town.
05:48 --> 06:09 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, she's kind of like jokastic, and then like she's like, I didn't sign up to work in weapons, like, I want to play in travel, I don't know, I'm just a regular, I mean, yeah, I think I said before, these are all three bang or episodes for different reasons they're all doing really creative things.
06:09 --> 06:14 [UNKNOWN]: I loved an episode five where they did those replay scenes where, you know, they're investigating
06:17 --> 06:28 [UNKNOWN]: those Ultron memories in that nine ribbed black and white, you know, like old footage with the other AI and color over of them.
06:30 --> 06:35 [UNKNOWN]: And just the whole play stage place set up of those scenes.
06:35 --> 06:45 [UNKNOWN]: It's it's smart because obviously they're saving money on that so they can spend that on the action scenes instead, but it's such a creative and engaging way to do it.
06:47 --> 06:58 [UNKNOWN]: especially when they went to the Louvre and they had just like the most famous paintings on a carousel and this little triangle at the top, like you have a next in the museum in Paris.
06:58 --> 07:05 [UNKNOWN]: Just so smart and well done and a great way to make exposition engaging.
07:06 --> 07:09 [UNKNOWN]: because my eyes love looking around the screen in the show.
07:09 --> 07:13 [UNKNOWN]: And that's another thing, your eyes just love looking around the screen.
07:13 --> 07:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's a gorgeous show.
07:14 --> 07:18 [UNKNOWN]: It's a really pretty show to look at.
07:18 --> 07:23 [UNKNOWN]: You know, and from the colors, just the vibrancy of it.
07:23 --> 07:28 [UNKNOWN]: And even, you know, they've learned a lot of lessons, you know, with darkness.
07:28 --> 07:30 [UNKNOWN]: You can actually see things in the dark.
07:32 --> 07:40 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, there are things to just look at in Marvel and just be like, oh wow, this is an amazing shot.
07:40 --> 07:46 [UNKNOWN]: This is an amazing scene, this is an amazing sequence, as well as the thoughtful at times on dialogue.
07:47 --> 07:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I know you and I both loved episode six with the broken love story going on there that's setting up, yeah.
07:56 --> 08:05 [UNKNOWN]: Jakosta just, yeah, and I just love how they, you know, her mind's gap was so sterile.
08:07 --> 08:12 [UNKNOWN]: as opposed to visions, you know, that's something that I can't come back to.
08:12 --> 08:18 [UNKNOWN]: And she says at one point, I think she says she's feeling less human and more and more AI.
08:18 --> 08:27 [UNKNOWN]: And you can see it in how, you know, she's visualizing her world, which is, get just really nicely done, nicely done there.
08:28 --> 08:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's also her mind space is full of moving boxes.
08:32 --> 08:34 [UNKNOWN]: Like she hasn't settled in fully either.
08:36 --> 08:43 [UNKNOWN]: They say qubits on it because that's what the bits that processed quantum computers, the quantum computers used to process.
08:43 --> 08:45 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, yeah.
08:45 --> 08:53 [UNKNOWN]: And then episode seven was like a horror movie, you know, wondering that these mansion basement rooms of vision's mind.
08:53 --> 08:59 [UNKNOWN]: And I didn't even realize until I did the rewatch that it was an hour long, but it's, yeah.
09:00 --> 09:03 [UNKNOWN]: If still flew by it did fly by it didn't feel like 60.
09:04 --> 09:05 [UNKNOWN]: It felt definitely shorter.
09:06 --> 09:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, then that it did really did
09:08 --> 09:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:10 --> 09:15 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we got a little piece of feedback from Ken W, but I'll share here at the top as well.
09:15 --> 09:20 [UNKNOWN]: We'll be talking about this more as we go through, but just to set up his questions.
09:20 --> 09:24 [UNKNOWN]: He says, looking forward to you sorting my confusion out.
09:24 --> 09:28 [UNKNOWN]: Who are all these doppelgangers and where did they come from?
09:28 --> 09:34 [UNKNOWN]: Did white vision really have to go through the five stages of grief to become the real vision again?
09:35 --> 09:41 [UNKNOWN]: Done a rewatch of Agatha over the weekend, so where is Billy and why hasn't he found Tommy yet?
09:41 --> 09:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, obviously we don't have answers yet about Billy, I hope we get a suggestion, at least some mention, I've, yeah, I'm off the, we're showing up Billy, yeah, and this, I'm off of that.
10:00 --> 10:02 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's going to happen unfortunately.
10:02 --> 10:09 [UNKNOWN]: Um, how they, you know, tie that knot is will remain to be seen tomorrow or Wednesday.
10:09 --> 10:26 [UNKNOWN]: And um, I hope, like you said, that there is a mention that there is something pointing towards where Billy is or what happened to Billy because I have thoughts about what could have happened leading into, you know, what's going on in December, but um, we'll see.
10:27 --> 10:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
10:28 --> 10:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, if they're setting all this up, making all of the different sides of this family wanting to be reunited, if they don't give us the reunion, then that is just cruel and unusual.
10:43 --> 10:48 [UNKNOWN]: When it wouldn't be the first time we would treat it, cruel and unusual.
10:48 --> 10:48 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
10:48 --> 10:55 [UNKNOWN]: Cruely by, you know, productions, it won't be the first time I won't be disappointed.
10:57 --> 11:05 [UNKNOWN]: depending on how it wraps up, it could wrap up in a way that makes me go, okay, I get it and it could wrap up in a way that makes me say what the fuck.
11:05 --> 11:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I don't think, I am with you or don't think anymore that we're going to get Billy and Ghost Agatha showing up.
11:13 --> 11:17 [UNKNOWN]: I would love if there was some credit scene, but I'm not holding my breath forward.
11:18 --> 11:25 [UNKNOWN]: But I just mean they must be planning to bring these stories together somewhere else, right?
11:28 --> 11:31 [UNKNOWN]: sometime in December, you know what I'm like?
11:31 --> 11:32 [UNKNOWN]: Like, let before Christmas.
11:33 --> 11:36 [UNKNOWN]: If not that next year, then or something, I don't know.
11:36 --> 11:37 [UNKNOWN]: They would have to already have it.
11:37 --> 11:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
11:38 --> 11:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
11:38 --> 11:42 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to stop overthinking this and enjoy what we're getting right now.
11:42 --> 11:42 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
11:43 --> 11:46 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, as far as Ken's other questions, the other questions.
11:46 --> 12:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're definitely going to talk about vision processing his grief and the doppelgangerers as we get, especially in the back half of this, but to set up the three episodes, uh, we'll again be talking one plot arc at a time, rather than seen by scene, uh, so we'll have all three episodes mixed together, so make sure you're caught up through seven, as I said, to set up briefly what they are.
12:13 --> 12:30 [UNKNOWN]: Lisa comes to Vision's aid to help him evade capture, written by Christopher Monfett, who is who also wrote for no surprises here, 12 monkeys in Brickard, the other two shows from show Renner Terry Matales, and Episode 6, Deadlock.
12:31 --> 12:53 [UNKNOWN]: vision and pellet and form non-easy alliance as Thomas finally learns a truth about his past and this one was written by Nicole Falsetti who heads a background in TV, a card of course, and bloodbreathers especially, and the director of these two episodes was Vincenzo Natale, who directs especially sci-fi and horror movies like
12:53 --> 13:02 [UNKNOWN]: Q splice in the tall grass, on TV he did the peripheral, some episodes, just as for the peripheral.
13:03 --> 13:07 [UNKNOWN]: So he's directed to Nia Miller before, the actress who plays Dr. Costa.
13:09 --> 13:10 [UNKNOWN]: He directed Westworld, the stand, yeah.
13:11 --> 13:15 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm surprised actually that he did not direct episode seven, which was the most horror episode, right?
13:16 --> 13:16 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
13:18 --> 13:41 [UNKNOWN]: So episodes have an emulation, vision and all-terons, twisted relationship comes undone, written by Matthew, Okumura, yeah, who is writer of episodes on Maccard, again, no surprises here, interior, Chinatown, Smallville, and directed by the Cheran or himself, Terry Matales, who also wrote and directed this week's finale, that's coming this week.
13:43 --> 13:45 [UNKNOWN]: John, do you want to set up the first role
13:47 --> 13:50 [UNKNOWN]: So let's go to first firewall down.
13:51 --> 13:56 [UNKNOWN]: Trapped in Ultron's attic within the mind space, vision and other AI's attempt to track Ultron.
13:57 --> 14:08 [UNKNOWN]: They find recordings showing Ultron talking with Tommy at a pub before allowing pallidin to kidnap him as well as a memory cache confirming that Ultron had the vision's location in two pallidin.
14:08 --> 14:12 [UNKNOWN]: The AI's realized that lowering the firewall in their code
14:12 --> 14:21 [UNKNOWN]: is the only way for vision to regain control of his body to rescue Tommy, though doing so with also grant Ultron access to the digital world.
14:22 --> 14:33 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron meets vision in the attic and convincing him to lower the firewall, allowing vision to regain control while Ultron escapes the landscapes, although Friday pursues him.
14:35 --> 14:49 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, it's interesting, we see, I mean, we have already been taking this the whole time, but vision, he's still lying to himself, well, like, I don't wanna be a father, but first thing, any time, anything happens, he's like, where's Tommy?
14:49 --> 14:50 [UNKNOWN]: Where's Tommy?
14:54 --> 14:59 [UNKNOWN]: Why vision, I wanna be a dad is like, the best thing that could have happened.
15:00 --> 15:03 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, can we all pause to mourn John's loss?
15:03 --> 15:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm so sorry you lost white vision this week.
15:05 --> 15:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
15:07 --> 15:09 [UNKNOWN]: I've had him for six episodes.
15:16 --> 15:26 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it is quite, you know, you feel like you don't want something, but you're fighting against yourself.
15:27 --> 15:42 [UNKNOWN]: You know, and he's just fighting against himself to admit that he cares for Tommy and Tommy, it's family, you know, and that's every and every episode you see it, and he just doesn't see it yet.
15:44 --> 15:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm also interested in this character arc we see going on in the background with Friday who, you know, at this, this is, they realize that they're locked down and she's like, Ultron hasn't changed.
15:56 --> 15:57 [UNKNOWN]: Change is hard.
15:57 --> 15:58 [UNKNOWN]: Change takes effort.
15:59 --> 16:00 [UNKNOWN]: He did something easier.
16:01 --> 16:03 [UNKNOWN]: And Vision says at this point, he waited.
16:03 --> 16:11 [UNKNOWN]: But do we agree with Friday or do we think she's maybe being cynical because she's feeling a lot of cynicism still about the whole
16:14 --> 16:20 [UNKNOWN]: I think, um, I did agree with Friday at this point of the story.
16:20 --> 16:20 [UNKNOWN]: I did.
16:21 --> 16:30 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought that not only because of Tony's death, but also because Tony created Ultron, you know what I mean?
16:31 --> 16:38 [UNKNOWN]: So this is a vestige of Tony that she does not want out in the world.
16:45 --> 16:50 [UNKNOWN]: You know, so it's very personal for Friday because she died a hero.
16:50 --> 16:55 [UNKNOWN]: But if Ultron gets out and does Ultron things, they're not going to remember he died a hero.
16:57 --> 17:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's interesting in this show, you know, we have a few characters who are sort of haunting the narrative like Wanda most especially of course, but Tony is another one who's constantly haunting the narrative because he is, you know, at least in parts the creator of all this AI and also.
17:17 --> 17:23 [UNKNOWN]: In other ways, I will talk about the 10 rings in a bit, the original version from the MCU coming back.
17:24 --> 17:31 [UNKNOWN]: And it's interesting that we are seeing one of the viewpoints we have in this series is Joe Castas.
17:31 --> 17:36 [UNKNOWN]: And so we are seeing through her eyes Tony as specifically a weapons manufacturer.
17:37 --> 17:37 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
17:38 --> 17:39 [UNKNOWN]: What she was?
17:39 --> 17:40 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
17:40 --> 17:41 [UNKNOWN]: For most of his life.
17:42 --> 17:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's also why he wanted to put that shield around the world, because I think when you have that, when you learn to look at the world in an aggressive way, you assume everything's out to get you.
17:57 --> 17:58 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
17:58 --> 17:59 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
17:59 --> 18:03 [UNKNOWN]: And the only way you can stop it is to have like a weapon is pointed.
18:06 --> 18:08 [UNKNOWN]: That can, you know, blast at any moment.
18:09 --> 18:11 [UNKNOWN]: right is to be bigger than the other guy.
18:11 --> 18:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
18:12 --> 18:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
18:13 --> 18:26 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I love the Friday said changes hard change takes effort because that really is true and that's something that comes back in this episode that actually inner Ultron says division a version of that later.
18:27 --> 18:47 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, I think especially when we get to what he says division later, even if it's a different version, I think it shows that there's more grit in him than Friday's giving him credit for and I think you nailed it on the head as to why, is that she sees him reflecting the ugliest part of Tony.
18:47 --> 18:48 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
18:49 --> 18:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
18:50 --> 18:50 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
18:52 --> 19:15 [UNKNOWN]: so yeah on rewatches like oh I really wondered why there's altitude and barometric pressure dropping will of course we find out there on the plane and I love that we see dummy and you coming into their elements and you know this is so great as the attackers yeah can you have a favorite between them I don't I like them as a pair and I'm so glad to see that they're not
19:16 --> 19:36 [UNKNOWN]: You know, as their mains were suggest, you know, that they are capable and able to do things into act autonomously and to do those acts that they pick up and just do them well, you know, like they notice shit, like, you know, I'm so happy to see.
19:37 --> 19:49 [UNKNOWN]: these AIs, just you know, prove everyone wrong and say, yeah, we're a lot smarter than you but we were, you know, made me happy.
19:50 --> 19:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they really play off of each other as well.
19:53 --> 19:53 [UNKNOWN]: They do.
19:54 --> 19:55 [UNKNOWN]: The two actors, yeah.
19:56 --> 20:00 [UNKNOWN]: It's almost like a Laurel and Hardy type of situation.
20:02 --> 20:18 [UNKNOWN]: So we get them, as I was talking about earlier from the design perspective, we get vision and the other AI who are still with him, hacking in to figure out what Ultron got up to hours before.
20:20 --> 20:28 [UNKNOWN]: And we, they find, tell me, and Ultron having a heart to hearts, what did you think of this whole conversation, this interaction?
20:32 --> 20:37 [UNKNOWN]: You don't know what visions motives are, right?
20:38 --> 20:50 [UNKNOWN]: Like, is he trying to give some insight into who vision is to Tommy and ultimately also to who Tommy is himself?
20:51 --> 20:51 [UNKNOWN]: Right?
20:52 --> 20:54 [UNKNOWN]: Or you don't know at least I didn't know if he was just
20:56 --> 21:13 [UNKNOWN]: using these tricks of word, this wordplay, just to really get Tommy to lash out at vision, to not want to be around him as a way to manipulate.
21:14 --> 21:16 [UNKNOWN]: vision himself, right?
21:16 --> 21:18 [UNKNOWN]: To get vision to react to that.
21:18 --> 21:21 [UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, you didn't want to let me lose.
21:21 --> 21:23 [UNKNOWN]: So you kept me prison all this time.
21:23 --> 21:26 [UNKNOWN]: Now I'm going to fuck with the relationship between you and your son.
21:26 --> 21:27 [UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
21:27 --> 21:28 [UNKNOWN]: That type of situation.
21:29 --> 21:33 [UNKNOWN]: So it was really, you know, because I felt that's what he was doing.
21:34 --> 21:37 [UNKNOWN]: And then on my rewatch, I was just like,
21:38 --> 21:48 [UNKNOWN]: Is he trying to help bridge that gap between who Tommy is and who vision is to Tommy, you know what I mean?
21:51 --> 22:00 [UNKNOWN]: He's trying to figure out who vision is to Tommy as well as who Tommy is to himself, like he's trying to help that process alone.
22:02 --> 22:11 [UNKNOWN]: I felt like that was what was going on as, but when I first watched it, I thought he was purely manipulating Tommy as a way to strike back a vision.
22:12 --> 22:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
22:13 --> 22:23 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's interesting because like we've seen Ultron be kind to, for example, Eda earlier in the season.
22:24 --> 22:29 [UNKNOWN]: But it seems even when he's being kind to vision, he puts it in the most needling way possible.
22:30 --> 22:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I can't decide whether it's because that's what Ultron needs to do it because he resents vision for maybe being the one in control or something.
22:41 --> 22:47 [UNKNOWN]: or if it's because he thinks that's what vision needs, how he needs to hear this in order to internalize it.
22:48 --> 23:03 [UNKNOWN]: But it's interesting how the way he phrases things, like he says at this point to Tommy, it tell me he's like, my father liked me and he's like, your father's lie was a lie of a mission, big woop, although,
23:04 --> 23:08 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron did warn vision about that live emission at the time.
23:08 --> 23:14 [UNKNOWN]: He's defending him now, even though Ultron says later, that truth is what he really values.
23:15 --> 23:17 [UNKNOWN]: He says vision did it to protect Tommy.
23:18 --> 23:21 [UNKNOWN]: What how does not telling Tommy about Ultron protect Tommy?
23:21 --> 23:24 [UNKNOWN]: Or does that protect vision from Tommy's judgment?
23:25 --> 23:26 [UNKNOWN]: I think um.
23:27 --> 23:43 [UNKNOWN]: both because Tommy wants to embrace vision and how can he embrace vision if he knows that vision is protecting Ultron or lying to him about Ultron or lying to the world of Ultron.
23:45 --> 23:55 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, all drugs going through his own identity crisis throughout this for sure, you know, he's like, I can't figure out, do I want to kill all of humanity or not?
23:55 --> 24:07 [UNKNOWN]: Like, he's like, it could be a favor, fast forwarding to them to the inevitable, but he says, did you cost a, I would have done it once, still would still maybe, except the artist there, the one that's on the truth.
24:11 --> 24:26 [UNKNOWN]: I live that I like truth and I don't think we haven't heard him lie at all have we I don't think so I don't think so I believe in that he says he tells the truth.
24:26 --> 24:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because even he'll even say things like yeah I turned you into Paladin All right, right Like he's not hiding from the things that he's doing
24:37 --> 24:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right, mm-hmm, yeah, mm-hmm.
24:40 --> 24:49 [UNKNOWN]: But then we have this, this will come back later, but at this point, Tommy just wants to know Vision loves him.
24:50 --> 24:54 [UNKNOWN]: And this is what I'll try and have to say.
24:55 --> 24:56 [UNKNOWN]: I want you to picture an apple.
24:57 --> 24:58 [UNKNOWN]: Describe it.
25:00 --> 25:00 [UNKNOWN]: It's an apple.
25:01 --> 25:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's red.
25:02 --> 25:04 [UNKNOWN]: It's in a box at corner floor.
25:08 --> 25:21 [UNKNOWN]: water, sugars, acids, flammals, potassium, the recipe, not the meal, who never be exactly what you wanted to be, but he's trying, like a cheap tie.
25:23 --> 25:37 [UNKNOWN]: And maybe there is truth in his intention, but you'd be a fool if you didn't arm yourself with the possibility that you're going to be spending another Christmas grifting tourists pretending you're free rather than just unwanted
25:40 --> 26:01 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, on the one hand, I think there's some real truths in there about the people who have, for instance, family members, loved ones who are certain types of neurodivergent will recognize that it's, you just can't expect everyone to love you in the way that you think they should show their love.
26:02 --> 26:06 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't think that obviously doesn't mean the vision doesn't love him.
26:06 --> 26:09 [UNKNOWN]: He comes around by the end of this group of episodes and says so.
26:09 --> 26:17 [UNKNOWN]: But I think Ultron is delivering this in an extra cruel way that maybe she was some personal bitterness.
26:18 --> 26:25 [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, I definitely felt he was talking about himself here and you can hear it because vision's voices.
26:26 --> 26:32 [UNKNOWN]: You know, woven into his, as he's telling Tommy what vision sees when he sees an apple.
26:33 --> 26:34 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
26:34 --> 26:34 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
26:34 --> 26:38 [UNKNOWN]: So this is Ultron admitting who he is.
26:39 --> 26:39 [UNKNOWN]: True.
26:41 --> 26:43 [UNKNOWN]: So it's very personal for him.
26:43 --> 26:49 [UNKNOWN]: And he wants to, in this moment, he wants to hurt Tommy because he's trying to figure out why am I hurting.
26:49 --> 26:52 [UNKNOWN]: why am I longing for something, right?
26:52 --> 26:56 [UNKNOWN]: And he can't explain it, so he's lashing up.
26:57 --> 26:57 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
26:58 --> 27:01 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, Tommy gives it back as good as he gets it.
27:01 --> 27:02 [UNKNOWN]: He tells Ultron.
27:02 --> 27:03 [UNKNOWN]: He's afraid there's no hope for him.
27:03 --> 27:07 [UNKNOWN]: He's alone and he always will be and I love Ultron's response.
27:07 --> 27:08 [UNKNOWN]: You're a real son of a witch.
27:11 --> 27:12 [UNKNOWN]: Be cut, these want to son.
27:13 --> 27:16 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, yeah, Mike dropped Tommy out.
27:16 --> 27:20 [UNKNOWN]: The footage glitch is which we find out is Ultron talking to Jacosta, but then
27:21 --> 27:28 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron turns Tommy in de Paladin, which he says is to distract vision for coming after him.
27:28 --> 27:36 [UNKNOWN]: And, of course, Ultron does protect Tommy from jocasta later, but this is definitely one of his more questionable actions.
27:36 --> 27:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes.
27:40 --> 28:03 [UNKNOWN]: And then I love this glimpse inside the, you know, Ultron run head where he just basically has his own counsel of Ultron's and notably, he, I mean, he's creating like a literal echo chamber in the living room and then he deletes the part of his code relegated to questioning his own actions.
28:03 --> 28:05 [UNKNOWN]: So he's there will be no self-doubt here.
28:05 --> 28:07 [UNKNOWN]: There will be no reckoning.
28:09 --> 28:13 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of Ultron and Paladin's pen palship?
28:14 --> 28:23 [UNKNOWN]: Would you like to see a spin-off of a buddy cop comedy between the two of them, or if not, what two characters would you like to see in the chat instead?
28:23 --> 28:25 [UNKNOWN]: Why are you putting me on this part?
28:25 --> 28:29 [UNKNOWN]: You know, this is diabolical.
28:30 --> 28:35 [UNKNOWN]: What I like to see, no, not paladin and Ultron, definitely not.
28:36 --> 28:43 [UNKNOWN]: but I would love to see, eat it and the handler.
28:44 --> 28:47 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I think I want to see Joe Costa and Agatha.
28:49 --> 28:55 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, interesting, spirit, Agatha, ghost Agatha.
28:56 --> 29:01 [UNKNOWN]: Can I ghost, like, inhabit a, a, a, a synthesoid?
29:02 --> 29:03 [UNKNOWN]: Good question.
29:05 --> 29:06 [UNKNOWN]: I think it all hang up.
29:07 --> 29:10 [UNKNOWN]: Hang up in the sterile place?
29:11 --> 29:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
29:11 --> 29:14 [UNKNOWN]: What's the connection between the spirit world and the digital place?
29:15 --> 29:16 [UNKNOWN]: Ooh, good questions.
29:18 --> 29:41 [UNKNOWN]: that is the next that is era four of them see you know so yeah I did enjoy though Ultron and Paladin's back and forth here and I again how they filmed it and then Ultron visits the others in the anecdote and he says I love this quote too uh trust the adopted child of need and hope that's such a
29:47 --> 30:02 [UNKNOWN]: And he tells vision that basically his mistake was just wanting all Toronto change because vision and this is again, this is something that I see over and again and again in the show that they do so well is that
30:03 --> 30:11 [UNKNOWN]: People when they hear, oh, you will never be anything other than bad, often are just like, yeah, I guess that's who I am.
30:11 --> 30:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just always bad.
30:12 --> 30:14 [UNKNOWN]: How could you have expected me to be otherwise?
30:14 --> 30:16 [UNKNOWN]: And that's what this exchange is here.
30:17 --> 30:19 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I understand visions, frustration.
30:19 --> 30:24 [UNKNOWN]: I've grown tired of the coin flip of your intentions, which Ultron do we get today?
30:24 --> 30:30 [UNKNOWN]: And, and calls Ultron out for being afraid of being vulnerable and admitting fault.
30:31 --> 30:40 [UNKNOWN]: But then I think what saves vision is he follows all trying to the door and lets him go and he hands him a hat.
30:41 --> 30:49 [UNKNOWN]: And this gesture of kindness and trust, I think that undoes what he said earlier about you will never change.
30:51 --> 30:54 [UNKNOWN]: And Vision says, hope is the only weapon that's ever worked for me.
30:54 --> 30:57 [UNKNOWN]: And the only person who can save you now is yourself.
30:57 --> 31:02 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that gesture will save all of them in the end.
31:02 --> 31:05 [UNKNOWN]: Because Ultron, it just buys that trust.
31:05 --> 31:07 [UNKNOWN]: Do you buy that?
31:07 --> 31:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I buy all of that.
31:20 --> 31:24 [UNKNOWN]: Listen, I know you're trying to get me to speculate.
31:25 --> 31:27 [UNKNOWN]: And it's new.
31:28 --> 31:34 [UNKNOWN]: Not in the business, a speculating, even at the brink of the finale.
31:34 --> 31:35 [UNKNOWN]: There will be no speculations.
31:36 --> 31:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I am using that, I don't know if I agree with that.
31:41 --> 31:42 [UNKNOWN]: That it was vision is way.
31:43 --> 31:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think so.
31:46 --> 31:47 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think instead?
31:50 --> 31:56 [UNKNOWN]: I, if I give you what I think that I'm speculating on what I think that I'm not speculating on.
31:56 --> 31:57 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
31:58 --> 32:14 [UNKNOWN]: But what I, I don't know, once we get to episode seven, I think we can have a discussion on how and why I'll try and envision our doing or have done the things that they've done.
32:15 --> 32:20 [UNKNOWN]: because I changed my mind on Ultron a lot in insults seven.
32:20 --> 32:22 [UNKNOWN]: The coin flip of his intentions.
32:23 --> 32:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I changed a lot.
32:27 --> 32:42 [UNKNOWN]: Part of me questioned did Vision put like a tracking chip and that hat that he gave Ultron, but you know the fact after episode seven it seems more unlikely and I feel like Ultron would have clocked it anyway like he did eat it, but I did have that passing thought.
32:43 --> 32:51 [UNKNOWN]: But basically Ultron admits that he's being bitter because Vision loves Tommy more than him
32:55 --> 33:08 [UNKNOWN]: He says that even though Tommy's alive, he lives in this crowded house too, and basically Tommy's a part of vision's code now, and you have found your missing code I've yet to find mine.
33:10 --> 33:12 [UNKNOWN]: Which of course will lead to a love story.
33:12 --> 33:14 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah.
33:17 --> 33:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, whatever you choose, she chooses, vision says I will be coming for you both.
33:23 --> 33:28 [UNKNOWN]: It would be disappointed if you didn't well, they're all ending up in the same place by episode seven, so.
33:28 --> 33:35 [UNKNOWN]: But for Edith, the other quiet platonic love story in the background is Edith and Friday's besty ship.
33:36 --> 33:38 [UNKNOWN]: I had to say separate.
33:39 --> 33:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was surprised that Friday did that, that leap.
33:46 --> 33:50 [UNKNOWN]: But then you gotta, you know, follow your instincts and do what you gotta do.
33:50 --> 34:00 [UNKNOWN]: All right, well, let's follow our instincts and take the leap through a quick break and when we come back, we're going to get into the love story.
34:00 --> 34:01 [UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
34:21 --> 34:24 [UNKNOWN]: Before, let me back up, let me back up, let me back up.
34:25 --> 34:26 [UNKNOWN]: This is a synth-oid love story.
34:26 --> 34:27 [UNKNOWN]: Sounds like a 80's pop song.
34:27 --> 34:27 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm saying?
34:27 --> 34:28 [UNKNOWN]: Break pop, I'm saying.
34:28 --> 34:28 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, before Ultron left the mice.
34:28 --> 34:44 [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
34:45 --> 34:47 [UNKNOWN]: But that wasn't a good one, that was a good one.
34:48 --> 35:00 [UNKNOWN]: Before Ultron left the mine space, vision and company discovered that Ultron scan wealth is faced before Jakastav vaporized her, giving him possession of the final biomarker.
35:01 --> 35:07 [UNKNOWN]: Jakastav offered to reveal what the biomarkers unlock if Ultron gives the biomarker to her.
35:08 --> 35:15 [UNKNOWN]: So it is to jocostas my space that Ultron and Friday escape when the fire wall goes down.
35:16 --> 35:42 [UNKNOWN]: In her own mind space, Jakastah reveals to Al-Tran that the Maya markers unlock a vault of nanobots she created as Carrington, which she plans to deploy to fully control human minds, Friday alerts Edith, and then back into Jakastah's mind space, Al-Tran and Jakastah develop real human feelings and share a kiss, what did you think?
35:44 --> 36:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, it was great to see these two actors interact in these two characters, interact, and I think they were able to quickly just with the way James Spader first looked at to near Miller, well, their characters looked at each other when they first met.
36:04 --> 36:08 [UNKNOWN]: I just completely bought into this quick developing love story.
36:08 --> 36:09 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah.
36:11 --> 36:12 [UNKNOWN]: We got your cast as back story.
36:13 --> 36:21 [UNKNOWN]: We found out that a degenerative brain disease killed her father and that grief led her to neuroscience.
36:22 --> 36:27 [UNKNOWN]: And it seemed she was dying from the same illness, but now there's kind of question marks.
36:28 --> 36:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's some question marks by the end around her death because of the things she forgot and suspicious things to come up.
36:36 --> 36:39 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but she, it has senses of things.
36:39 --> 36:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like she's like I've been to the Louvre before.
36:42 --> 36:45 [UNKNOWN]: Like there's a big scent she was once in love.
36:45 --> 36:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll come back to that at the end.
36:47 --> 36:56 [UNKNOWN]: But at this point, she just, she says, I just know my work, my life's work has been stolen, which we find out because it was sold to Stark while she was dying.
36:57 --> 37:03 [UNKNOWN]: And she said a promise of a future locked away, caged like a bird back to the bird thing.
37:05 --> 37:12 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess, hopefully we find out in the finale, but I wonder how she even got out there in the first place, Dr. Costa?
37:13 --> 37:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the interesting part.
37:15 --> 37:17 [UNKNOWN]: How does she come to be?
37:17 --> 37:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
37:20 --> 37:26 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron, he calls her cost to out on her taste for vengeance, but he seems to find it pretty hot.
37:26 --> 37:28 [UNKNOWN]: Although I loved all the reactions.
37:28 --> 37:32 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, it's like watching Hannibal Lecter's swipe right.
37:33 --> 37:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right, he's like, um, dummy's like, please, so this is malware and you say, delete me.
37:43 --> 37:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so did you understand their gagitude?
37:50 --> 37:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, I understood why they were.
37:54 --> 37:56 [UNKNOWN]: But I was in caps, I was entalled.
37:57 --> 37:59 [UNKNOWN]: It was like watching a stage play.
38:00 --> 38:02 [UNKNOWN]: This was so well done, so well acted.
38:02 --> 38:11 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, Gad, just, you see Altron just wanting to have some sort of real
38:14 --> 38:24 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and it's fascinating to see them, you know, go down this winding path to get to the end where they embrace each other.
38:25 --> 38:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that was really well-film too.
38:28 --> 38:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they had a few interactions and it was almost like the most intimate one was the first where we see her showing
38:39 --> 38:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there was almost an even more of an intimacy in that then in two metal people kissing.
38:48 --> 38:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
38:50 --> 38:58 [UNKNOWN]: And she says so, you know, you took all my pain, you know, and just accepted it.
38:59 --> 39:03 [UNKNOWN]: And so that was, you know, it's a real connection that they've made.
39:05 --> 39:09 [UNKNOWN]: But all the time, I was watching it, I kept thinking to myself, all trying this playing her.
39:11 --> 39:13 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, playing a longer game.
39:14 --> 39:16 [UNKNOWN]: I think he is real feeling so too.
39:17 --> 39:18 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think he doesn't.
39:18 --> 39:20 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying that he doesn't, but I don't think.
39:20 --> 39:22 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think he has a lot of chance to hear.
39:23 --> 39:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was watching it saying there are some I'll tell you your motives here.
39:27 --> 39:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:27 --> 39:29 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see, does he want the nanos?
39:29 --> 39:30 [UNKNOWN]: What is he trying to get?
39:31 --> 39:31 [UNKNOWN]: You know?
39:32 --> 39:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:33 --> 39:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there was also that jukehasta edapis joke.
39:38 --> 39:51 [UNKNOWN]: So for anyone not familiar with the Greek, like famous Greek tragedies, jukehasta is edapis's mother whom he accidentally marries after accidentally killing his father.
39:51 --> 39:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's the prophecy said would happen.
39:53 --> 39:55 [UNKNOWN]: And so when she was like,
39:57 --> 40:01 [UNKNOWN]: she was like, you, you're even more twisted than I thought or something.
40:01 --> 40:12 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, you know, I think we've gotten enough of petulant apprentices with mommy issues this year in, in, um, house of the dragon.
40:12 --> 40:13 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
40:13 --> 40:14 [UNKNOWN]: And the vampire with a step.
40:15 --> 40:16 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, gosh.
40:16 --> 40:18 [UNKNOWN]: I still haven't watched that well.
40:18 --> 40:21 [UNKNOWN]: The vampire with a step coming up before the end of the year.
40:22 --> 40:27 [UNKNOWN]: Well, content warning that, but, you know, they confronted straight on.
40:27 --> 40:28 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
40:28 --> 40:29 [UNKNOWN]: You've warned me before.
40:29 --> 40:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
40:31 --> 40:34 [UNKNOWN]: You warned me before, so I'm well prepared, I think.
40:35 --> 40:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
40:35 --> 40:43 [UNKNOWN]: But then Ultron even says, it feels to me like your Greek tragedy has a due to your oddgenist unaccounted for where does this body come from?
40:43 --> 40:49 [UNKNOWN]: So basically, this is asking, like, probably, do we think the body came from the client?
40:53 --> 41:06 [UNKNOWN]: And if whoever is, you know, the one who is responsible for jacoustic being in this form, if they're the secondary antagonist, the dooder icon is agonist, who's the primary antagonist?
41:09 --> 41:11 [UNKNOWN]: Is it supposed to be jacoustic or something?
41:11 --> 41:14 [UNKNOWN]: To answer for tomorrow.
41:15 --> 41:17 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think jacoustic is an antagonist?
41:17 --> 41:18 [UNKNOWN]: I guess she's an antagonist.
41:18 --> 41:18 [UNKNOWN]: I don't.
41:18 --> 41:19 [UNKNOWN]: Is she a villain?
41:24 --> 41:27 [UNKNOWN]: I don't, I don't, you don't want up to now.
41:27 --> 41:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, she is a villain.
41:28 --> 41:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
41:30 --> 41:30 [UNKNOWN]: Up to this point.
41:30 --> 41:31 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
41:32 --> 41:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
41:32 --> 41:36 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, she did some villainous stuff in this particular batch of episodes.
41:36 --> 41:39 [UNKNOWN]: Well, other than, you know, all the murdering people.
41:39 --> 41:40 [UNKNOWN]: She's been doing all the stuff.
41:40 --> 41:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what's your birth?
41:41 --> 41:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like her anyway.
41:42 --> 41:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we like her, but she is a villain.
41:45 --> 41:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's true.
41:46 --> 41:48 [UNKNOWN]: She's done some pretty horrific things.
41:49 --> 42:03 [UNKNOWN]: She admits that she has rage issues, and she and Ultron have some interesting conversations about humanity, and he seems to even though he tried to kill humanity in age of Ultron movie.
42:04 --> 42:10 [UNKNOWN]: He seems to have a softened quite a bit, and something's like, I'm curious.
42:11 --> 42:11 [UNKNOWN]: See?
42:12 --> 42:15 [UNKNOWN]: You find inspiration and not.
42:15 --> 42:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, but no.
42:18 --> 42:19 [UNKNOWN]: No, they're paying.
42:21 --> 42:24 [UNKNOWN]: There is grace in their feelings.
42:25 --> 42:27 [UNKNOWN]: There's grace in their feelings.
42:29 --> 42:36 [UNKNOWN]: And he digs into that a bit deeper, but Jococca's, you know, she's, she's like, come to the record store, listen to all these sappy love songs.
42:36 --> 42:38 [UNKNOWN]: They're not enlightened, they're primitive.
42:39 --> 42:41 [UNKNOWN]: And I feel like this is like the rage
42:43 --> 42:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, absolutely.
42:45 --> 42:50 [UNKNOWN]: And so, Ultron, you know, let's his snarkier side-outs and says, I understand.
42:50 --> 42:52 [UNKNOWN]: Day-y?
42:53 --> 42:58 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you're asking me if I still want to kill them all, I don't know.
42:59 --> 43:04 [UNKNOWN]: I've come to respect any species that can survive despair.
43:06 --> 43:13 [UNKNOWN]: But judge them, interfere, laugh at their expense, absolutely, relentlessly.
43:16 --> 43:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I just love the score in the background.
43:18 --> 43:21 [UNKNOWN]: That's what having this conversation is like.
43:22 --> 43:39 [UNKNOWN]: Like, almost, you know, the jazzy score and the menacing scores is like watching Bogart and Bacala and screaming or something like that, having these intimate conversations while, you know, nothing else you will pretend in nothing else is happening, but just these two characters.
43:40 --> 43:41 [UNKNOWN]: the show doesn't matter.
43:41 --> 43:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's just about them right now.
43:43 --> 43:46 [UNKNOWN]: You know, so so well done, so often.
43:47 --> 43:49 [UNKNOWN]: Fitting the bow guards and the call vibes.
43:49 --> 43:56 [UNKNOWN]: We also got to this through line about the tasting whisky and how, um, Ultron because he was never human.
43:56 --> 43:58 [UNKNOWN]: He's never actually tasted it.
43:58 --> 44:04 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say at the end, when she gives him the whisky that's he for some reason can feel the effects of it like relaxes
44:07 --> 44:09 [UNKNOWN]: He, I thought it was going to be spiked.
44:10 --> 44:11 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was a spiked.
44:11 --> 44:12 [UNKNOWN]: It was a spiked.
44:12 --> 44:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:14 --> 44:16 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think my good sis was about to spike the penny.
44:17 --> 44:19 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, she did already change them up.
44:19 --> 44:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess it's the cost of my daughter.
44:22 --> 44:23 [UNKNOWN]: I said, I said, she's a villain.
44:23 --> 44:24 [UNKNOWN]: She's no villain.
44:24 --> 44:25 [UNKNOWN]: She's given him a muscle.
44:25 --> 44:30 [UNKNOWN]: She gave all trying to sell him any in the dark.
44:31 --> 44:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
44:32 --> 44:33 [UNKNOWN]: Give the dark liquor.
44:33 --> 44:34 [UNKNOWN]: The dark liquor.
44:38 --> 44:44 [UNKNOWN]: I was rolling, I said, yo, oh, man, she gave him the dark liquor.
44:44 --> 44:46 [UNKNOWN]: This is what I'm talking about, yes.
44:48 --> 44:48 [UNKNOWN]: He liked it.
44:50 --> 44:58 [UNKNOWN]: And he said, ooh, we just, we have you been, we have this been all my life.
44:58 --> 45:04 [UNKNOWN]: You don't like, oh my gosh, he took it with the two hands, took the cup, the glass, with the two hands.
45:07 --> 45:10 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, it was so, so glorious, it was so glorious.
45:10 --> 45:20 [UNKNOWN]: So my name is ready for some smoochie smoochie time, but she is also the person who considers humanity of ineffections.
45:20 --> 45:23 [UNKNOWN]: She has the cure and talks about murdering the world.
45:23 --> 45:26 [UNKNOWN]: So swinging back toward the villains.
45:26 --> 45:28 [UNKNOWN]: But she gave him the doc liquor.
45:28 --> 45:29 [UNKNOWN]: She can't be all bad.
45:35 --> 45:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well, she does have some bird fixation going on, which I don't blame her for, I also like birds.
45:41 --> 45:43 [UNKNOWN]: But she was inspired.
45:43 --> 45:51 [UNKNOWN]: She says, by, she saw a murmur of starlings that inspired this swarm of nanobots that she wants to put, like, one bot in each person.
45:51 --> 45:51 [UNKNOWN]: And,
45:53 --> 46:08 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so it is interesting that, yeah, they are meant to work alone rather than when you hear about nanobot science fiction, it's often like you have a swarm within each person fixing on the little things, which is like no, we just plug it straight into the neurons, and it does upgrade.
46:09 --> 46:16 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but then, I mean, I guess to create a hive mind controlled by her, is that the whole end game?
46:23 --> 46:37 [UNKNOWN]: She, it said a first she wanted to give everyone a companion, someone to guide and teach, which is, I'm like, oh, that's a slippery slope to paternalism, but also a medical implant of the same time when I was in Washington.
46:37 --> 46:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she said a first she wanted to inject humanity into machines, now she wants to inject machines into humanity.
46:44 --> 46:46 [UNKNOWN]: Not as she's fully on machine.
46:47 --> 46:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she sees the,
46:49 --> 46:58 [UNKNOWN]: She's a bit hypocritical though, because she's like, oh, Croes and Ravens, Peck every morsel from the bone, like humans, and I love this line.
46:58 --> 47:01 [UNKNOWN]: Like humans, a gathering of Croes is called a murder.
47:02 --> 47:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's like a hint.
47:04 --> 47:06 [UNKNOWN]: I still think she was murdered.
47:07 --> 47:09 [UNKNOWN]: But then she's the one who has to go around.
47:10 --> 47:34 [UNKNOWN]: I guess not murdering murdering, yeah, I guess not murdering, but she murdered the people that he feels like murdered her, she didn't murder Lisa, I'll say no, she didn't because she doesn't want to murder humanity, she wants to change humanity, she wants to change the humans, she doesn't want to murder them, she's not all-tron, you know, age of all-tron.
47:36 --> 47:38 [UNKNOWN]: which just want to wipe out humanity.
47:38 --> 47:43 [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't want to do that, but she does want to control them.
47:43 --> 48:00 [UNKNOWN]: So they listen to her instead of their base instincts because their base instincts cause her technology to be sold to arms maker and to possibly have her killed, which we both believe happened.
48:01 --> 48:01 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
48:02 --> 48:03 [UNKNOWN]: True, true.
48:04 --> 48:13 [UNKNOWN]: So, but physically, Jocasta, it turns out, is at her grave, which is a very fancy looking place, I guess.
48:13 --> 48:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's very fancy.
48:15 --> 48:19 [UNKNOWN]: Is it on the property of that Hatfield house that we keep seeing throughout the...
48:19 --> 48:24 [UNKNOWN]: It might be, it might be, but they look like they got money.
48:31 --> 48:37 [UNKNOWN]: And there's a bunch of bird stuff around to, uh, to honor her, I suppose.
48:37 --> 48:40 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, that's the location of the safe.
48:40 --> 48:49 [UNKNOWN]: She's trying to open which we now know is her nanos, um, and so she collected all those bio keys from the partnership murdered.
48:50 --> 48:53 [UNKNOWN]: And her bio key is her voice.
48:53 --> 48:55 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, she has to
49:00 --> 49:12 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's cheeky after she basically looked down on Ravens and Croes as being to human like in their picking flesh off the bones, although she's been using the butcher bird anyway.
49:13 --> 49:18 [UNKNOWN]: The woman is confused about whether she's not a villain or not herself.
49:19 --> 49:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and you know, at this point I was wondering, how much is it?
49:25 --> 49:33 [UNKNOWN]: Carrington before passing and how much is this upload of Carrington, authentic to who she was.
49:33 --> 49:35 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, at this point.
49:37 --> 49:43 [UNKNOWN]: Or maybe just some extra anger got in there because of what we presume was a murder of her.
49:43 --> 49:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
49:44 --> 49:47 [UNKNOWN]: Rather than a murder rate rate rate rate events.
49:48 --> 49:50 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, of course, they time the poem.
49:51 --> 49:54 [UNKNOWN]: Poe's most famous poem, most people's favorite poem, one of my favorites.
49:54 --> 50:00 [UNKNOWN]: And they time it so that it gets to the point where it's about to talk about a knock-knock knocking at the chamber door.
50:01 --> 50:17 [UNKNOWN]: And at the same time, we hear the client knock knock knocking at both jocostas and visions chamber doors and surprise there's one more bio key needed something a forgotten partner.
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50:43 --> 50:56 [UNKNOWN]: you know, artificial general intelligence, like actually independently intelligent thinking beings, whereas your cost only has bots that match the bots the interval use.
50:57 --> 51:04 [UNKNOWN]: I think because, you know, vision is also seeking his connections, you know what I mean?
51:04 --> 51:20 [UNKNOWN]: And having had the experience and the memories that he has, there is something to be said by not spending the time all alone.
51:25 --> 51:27 [UNKNOWN]: not even knowing that's what he's doing.
51:27 --> 51:39 [UNKNOWN]: He's thinking of a past life of a life that he had, not even understanding that's what he's doing because he's surrounding himself with remnants of that past life.
51:39 --> 51:42 [UNKNOWN]: And then when something comes along, that is,
51:43 --> 51:53 [UNKNOWN]: the one thing that he doesn't want to think about, Tommy, which is what spurs everything to push him forward.
51:53 --> 52:01 [UNKNOWN]: But right now, as we met him in the first episode, vision is keeping all of these AIs around because he doesn't want to be by himself.
52:03 --> 52:04 [UNKNOWN]: That's why he's working in the
52:06 --> 52:22 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas your past and what's I say to yourself, yes, yes, she doesn't want any sort of humanity to see, so the best way to do that is not to have people who are things that remind you of people around.
52:24 --> 52:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Ultron also sees himself as a lone figure, a lone wolf, so to say.
52:29 --> 52:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, he does, yes.
52:33 --> 52:35 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't know if Ultron wants to be, though,
52:37 --> 52:40 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know if all trauma wants to be valuable, right?
52:40 --> 52:46 [UNKNOWN]: I think Jacasa at this point, Jacasa at this point definitely wants to be, but I don't think all trauma wants to.
52:48 --> 53:11 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's also, Ultron has interesting parallels with, we'll talk about Jim, obviously later, but yeah, where he wants to have these human feelings, tasting whiskey, falling in love, whereas jucasta's more like maybe Friday or vision, I suppose, in ways in that she has been burned by these things in the past, so one's burned twice.
53:15 --> 53:22 [UNKNOWN]: But of course, she's, do we think she really is unaware that Friday slipped in and is hiding is one of the bots?
53:25 --> 53:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yes, I mean, I didn't think that she knew.
53:31 --> 53:32 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, you know, I guess not, yeah.
53:34 --> 53:35 [UNKNOWN]: I like, Friday said, um,
53:37 --> 53:42 [UNKNOWN]: When she tried to get vision not to put down the firewall, she said, being brave isn't always rushing in, pale, male.
53:42 --> 53:51 [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes it's about having the courage to hold the line, but then when vision did not hold the line Friday, I say, well, I guess I'm the one going to the front.
53:51 --> 53:53 [UNKNOWN]: That's exactly.
53:56 --> 53:59 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think Ultron covers for Friday?
53:59 --> 54:03 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, here, this is what he says.
54:03 --> 54:05 [UNKNOWN]: We're lucky she's new at this.
54:05 --> 54:07 [UNKNOWN]: Fwikki, you come on.
54:08 --> 54:10 [UNKNOWN]: You expect me to believe you're on vision side?
54:10 --> 54:15 [UNKNOWN]: I find her plan to be in elegant for someone with her sophistication and grace.
54:15 --> 54:16 [UNKNOWN]: You gave her the bio key.
54:16 --> 54:18 [UNKNOWN]: She's not the real threat.
54:19 --> 54:22 [UNKNOWN]: It's obvious from the holes in her memory that there's someone else.
54:23 --> 54:26 [UNKNOWN]: And maybe you missed the overly theatrical bogey man out there.
54:27 --> 54:28 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they're connected.
54:29 --> 54:34 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to descend into where some conscious of the scubber who's hiding in this mystery box.
54:35 --> 54:35 [UNKNOWN]: Then what?
54:37 --> 54:38 [UNKNOWN]: It depends.
54:39 --> 54:40 [UNKNOWN]: Who I find there?
54:41 --> 54:43 [UNKNOWN]: A coin flip is always.
54:43 --> 54:49 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it'll come up heads in your favor, and I'll have to break my precious butcher bird's heart and destroy her nests.
54:50 --> 54:56 [UNKNOWN]: Then you can scurry back to vision's mind and tell him, Hey, maybe the old man isn't as bad as...
54:59 --> 55:00 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's bad it's all bad.
55:02 --> 55:03 [UNKNOWN]: How could this?
55:05 --> 55:06 [UNKNOWN]: I actually believe you.
55:08 --> 55:10 [UNKNOWN]: You really see yourself as vision's father.
55:13 --> 55:14 [UNKNOWN]: And what do you think he sees?
55:21 --> 55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Nothing.
55:24 --> 55:24 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
55:25 --> 55:27 [UNKNOWN]: So do you believe him?
55:28 --> 55:29 [UNKNOWN]: I do.
55:30 --> 55:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's lying.
55:31 --> 55:33 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
55:33 --> 55:35 [UNKNOWN]: I think he has lied, as I said before.
55:35 --> 55:36 [UNKNOWN]: No.
55:36 --> 55:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do believe him.
55:38 --> 55:42 [UNKNOWN]: I do believe that he is trying to eat, figure it out.
55:44 --> 55:47 [UNKNOWN]: And use what he figures out to his invented.
55:48 --> 55:50 [UNKNOWN]: Would he betray your castor?
55:51 --> 55:53 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, what would make him betray your castor is the question?
55:57 --> 55:57 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
55:58 --> 56:01 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's interesting that Friday here is his horse.
56:01 --> 56:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's a harsh with Ultron.
56:03 --> 56:07 [UNKNOWN]: As Ultron was with Tommy, you know, he's a decision, you know, care about me.
56:07 --> 56:14 [UNKNOWN]: And she's like, no, no, which I don't think she believes it anymore than Ultron believes.
56:14 --> 56:16 [UNKNOWN]: The vision doesn't care about Tommy.
56:16 --> 56:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
56:18 --> 56:20 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe I'm both of their parts there's a little jealousy here.
56:20 --> 56:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
56:22 --> 56:25 [UNKNOWN]: It is, are they setting up for him to have to make the decision?
56:25 --> 56:27 [UNKNOWN]: Save it and save the cost?
56:27 --> 56:28 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
56:29 --> 56:32 [UNKNOWN]: Now, don't let us lose your cost after this show.
56:32 --> 56:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, of course, I mean, it's nothing.
56:35 --> 56:38 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
56:38 --> 56:42 [UNKNOWN]: She's literally co-backed up somewhere or something, but yeah, hmm.
56:44 --> 56:47 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I liked their, they're sparring.
56:47 --> 56:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'll try on in Jakasa there.
56:48 --> 56:54 [UNKNOWN]: They have a little like chain bondage for play, where she cuts him and he pretends to get infected.
56:54 --> 56:56 [UNKNOWN]: And then he's like, I'm an older code.
56:56 --> 56:58 [UNKNOWN]: I've gotten around yo.
56:58 --> 57:07 [UNKNOWN]: My hacks have hacks and says he can strip her down to the complexity of pong, but he just wants to know her.
57:07 --> 57:12 [UNKNOWN]: And she says I just want to be known, but it'll be painful.
57:14 --> 57:36 [UNKNOWN]: If you are an adult, especially the more you've been through in your own life and you're going to forge a romantic relationship with someone else who's also been through an entire life, I think it does get harder to share that part of yourself and it's harder for other people to take on someone else's pain.
57:37 --> 57:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
57:38 --> 57:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
57:41 --> 57:42 [UNKNOWN]: You have to be willing
57:44 --> 57:44 [UNKNOWN]: and able.
57:45 --> 57:46 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
57:47 --> 57:48 [UNKNOWN]: You have to be willing and you have to be able.
57:49 --> 57:52 [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes people are willing but unable to, you know?
57:53 --> 57:57 [UNKNOWN]: And sometimes people do have the capacity and they're unwilling to.
57:57 --> 58:06 [UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, and yeah, I think this is some of my beautifully in their conversation.
58:07 --> 58:11 [UNKNOWN]: Would she have the capacity to take on an ultra on Spain in the same way right now?
58:12 --> 58:12 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe not.
58:12 --> 58:17 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, but what pain would all try and have?
58:18 --> 58:24 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I suppose his yearning, his feeling of isolation and rejection, his self-doubt.
58:26 --> 58:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think they're on the same levels as to what the cost is going on.
58:33 --> 58:36 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, I think for him, it's probably a self-hatred.
58:37 --> 58:38 [UNKNOWN]: it could be.
58:38 --> 58:44 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas for her, the anger is more pointed outward because she knows something messed up happened to her.
58:44 --> 58:53 [UNKNOWN]: Because I don't know what this altron is necessarily, you know, remorseful about previous actions taken.
58:53 --> 58:59 [UNKNOWN]: I think he's trying to justify them to himself, but I think the maybe less than he
59:01 --> 59:21 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I suppose there's a part of a big part of him that's glad that he wasn't able to destroy the world because then he would have destroyed, you know, the Louvre and whatever, all these things about humanity that he enjoys and admires and he just that was sort of, he's evolved since then and so.
59:23 --> 59:43 [UNKNOWN]: I think he wants to defend what he did at the time, but what he's more upset about is the fact that it made everybody hate him and having to live with that sort of shame of being a being an arch villain who rightfully should be hated.
59:51 --> 59:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
59:53 --> 59:57 [UNKNOWN]: When he killed Gamora, when it sacrificed Gamora.
59:58 --> 59:59 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think he would take it back?
01:00:01 --> 01:00:06 [UNKNOWN]: If he would he take it back and still be able to snap?
01:00:06 --> 01:00:07 [UNKNOWN]: Nope.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 [UNKNOWN]: He wouldn't be able to snap, I suppose.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:14 [UNKNOWN]: If he could, he would take it back if he could still snap.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:17 [UNKNOWN]: He would not take it back if he could not snap.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think this all-tron at the point where he is now, if he was put back in Sequoia, do you think he would have tried to kill the world?
01:00:27 --> 01:00:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:33 [UNKNOWN]: Even now, after he's evolved and he was put back at that point, I don't know that I think he would.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think that he would make a different choice.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:44 [UNKNOWN]: I think he would, because I don't think the Avengers would have allowed him to make a different choice.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:47 [UNKNOWN]: Mm, that's good because they would tell him
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:53 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I can see that for sure.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:59 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's take another quick break here, and when we get back, we're going to talk about the minutes of Madrepoor.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:28 [UNKNOWN]: The minutes of MadrePort has to take back control of his body vision awakens alongside Lisa aboard a plane headed to MadrePort.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:39 [UNKNOWN]: Paladin brings Tommy to MadrePort to blackmail vision and Lisa into surrendering, but they are interrupted when ten ring soldiers led by Razza Azwata!
01:01:39 --> 01:01:44 [UNKNOWN]: Hello, my guy, on behalf of the client, attacks them.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:51 [UNKNOWN]: Tommy and Lisa hijack Paladin's van with help from Edith in the sister vision while Paladin submdulls Raza.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:56 [UNKNOWN]: But Jakastim manages to infect Lisa with a prototype controlling Nettabyte.
01:01:57 --> 01:02:04 [UNKNOWN]: Tommy uses his powers to deactivate its saving Lisa as they flee Madrepoir with an unconscious Lisa.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:10 [UNKNOWN]: Vision tells Tommy the truth about the one division sitcom and his memories.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:18 [UNKNOWN]: All right, do you want to remind people who might not remember what Madra Poor is in the MCU?
01:02:19 --> 01:02:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's a city state, most notably in the comics.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:28 [UNKNOWN]: It has a lot of interactions with the X-Men and mutants in general.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's also like the place where you go where you want to find things that are unfindable to hurt people.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's the place, and in the MCU, I think, a certain spirit to it, picking it.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, exactly.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:54 [UNKNOWN]: So all sorts of black market deals and things are on sale in Matterport.
01:02:55 --> 01:03:04 [UNKNOWN]: And also in the MCU, we know that Sharon Carter is operating in Matterport currently.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:13 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, but we got that in what was it?
01:03:13 --> 01:03:18 [UNKNOWN]: The Falcon and Winter Soldier Disney Plus show from a few years ago.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so MagiPore is where we saw Baron Zimo doing the dance in the club.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:27 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, that was cool.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'm glad they included some street scenes here too.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but also it was funny for vision to like wake up on the plane and be like, bet I'm wondering how we got here.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:39 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:46 [UNKNOWN]: And from Lisa's perspective, like you have to imagine her watching all of this play out.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:47 [UNKNOWN]: She says, oh, listen, mate.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:49 [UNKNOWN]: These are.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:59 [UNKNOWN]: In a space of single evening, I've seen you fight robots, glitch out, vaporize a billionaire, kidnapped my maids and then clocked like us on beyond to this here cargo plane.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:01 [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:07 [UNKNOWN]: All I care about is tons.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:13 [UNKNOWN]: Me too.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:17 [UNKNOWN]: perspective.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:20 [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't know that different people have been taking control of his body and stuff.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:27 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, Tommy's daddy's got problems, but if he's going to help me find tell me then that's fine.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:31 [UNKNOWN]: But I like how she doesn't call him Tommy.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: She calls him Thomas.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:33 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:35 [UNKNOWN]: And to envision is to be fair.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's me calling him Tommy.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:40 [UNKNOWN]: But visions calling him Thomas also to keep him at a distance.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:46 [UNKNOWN]: But she's calling him Thomas because she knows that the identity feels most comfortable in.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:47 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:54 [UNKNOWN]: But Tommy is having dreams about one
01:04:56 --> 01:05:01 [UNKNOWN]: If they don't, I don't know, just like have Billy even just walk in on the last frame, at least.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:02 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:04 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:07 [UNKNOWN]: I'm very skeptical, but that will happen.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: I know, me too, me too now.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:23 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and by the way, the whole, what did you think about the whole thing about Paladin putting Christmas lights and Tommy's arm and telling him it would be a motion triggered bomb so that Tommy wouldn't speed off?
01:05:24 --> 01:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, boy.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, first.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to pretend that I didn't believe them.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:30 [UNKNOWN]: I believe them.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:36 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, my first thought was like, what's the infection risk risk here?
01:05:36 --> 01:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: Because this is not look very sad.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: That too.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:39 [UNKNOWN]: That too.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that that was not a good, you know, so jolly, even so and well, they didn't put that back together well at all, but yeah, I believe that it was a bomb.
01:05:50 --> 01:05:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I believe it, too.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:55 [UNKNOWN]: And then I saw the Christmas lights.
01:05:56 --> 01:06:00 [UNKNOWN]: But then he, so he says, you turned me into speed.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:05 [UNKNOWN]: And he was referring to, he thinks that's he deserves character's name in the movie.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:08 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that is fairly friendly when it doesn't know.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:12 [UNKNOWN]: That's his superhero name, but you don't even have to do all of that together.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:18 [UNKNOWN]: They can do the whole code of arms thing, but with Lisa, but with speed, it's clear.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: He goes real fast.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:21 [UNKNOWN]: His name is speed.
01:06:30 --> 01:06:46 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we could see Lisa pulling her condom magic pour and I found I learned that so this guy she pulls it on, she picks his pocket, his name is Dale and apparently the same actor appears in every Terry Mahales series as a character named Dale.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:48 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it has hilarious.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:53 [UNKNOWN]: And he says it's the same person in all these universes, so he's just isn't around between the sci-fi universes.
01:06:56 --> 01:07:02 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about the fact that Edith remembers that her first boss was a junior in high school?
01:07:02 --> 01:07:09 [UNKNOWN]: Does that mean she remembers Spider-Man despite the spell that everyone forgets Spider-Man?
01:07:10 --> 01:07:10 [UNKNOWN]: Is that not?
01:07:10 --> 01:07:13 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, apply to Santa Zoey's age.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:14 [UNKNOWN]: To A.I.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: is a sense, I'm assuming that it doesn't, but I don't know.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I need further confirmation from the vision that he remembers these, you remember Spidey.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:31 [UNKNOWN]: Or is he just, she remembers, it was a junior, but she doesn't remember that it was Peter.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was Spider-Man, right?
01:07:34 --> 01:07:36 [UNKNOWN]: That he was Peter Parker, that's the point.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:37 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:39 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:41 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting, interesting.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: We have Filomena Conk, free of her unappreciative boss, the handler, and I'm not going to attempt to say her name, but I'll let her say it herself.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:57 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, what's your name?
01:07:58 --> 01:08:04 [UNKNOWN]: api-tactical.m510-90 on to score forward slash us to risk m5962 out.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:07 [UNKNOWN]: Go for a friend, you free!
01:08:09 --> 01:08:16 [UNKNOWN]: I will know that it starts with m510, which is where Ultron told the pigeon to go when he was playing.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: the tip.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:18 [UNKNOWN]: So that tracks out.
01:08:19 --> 01:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: Her role is tactical AI, client management, weapons acquisition, and snark.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:28 [UNKNOWN]: So I think she performed well.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:53 [UNKNOWN]: go for a friend and be free I mean she was um she was trapped there she was doing her best job we already talked about the things she'd rather be doing instead but instead she says pallet and doesn't trust updates which tracks I can see that happening so don't place his ancient she's on a server farm in Tajikistan which I was like
01:08:54 --> 01:09:05 [UNKNOWN]: We see his expensive hangar jets, he could afford servers, but then I'm like, you know, we also just seems very untechnical, so maybe he just doesn't want to maintain.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:09 [UNKNOWN]: But you would think he would want some extra security.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about?
01:09:13 --> 01:09:17 [UNKNOWN]: If this is the end of the handler story, are you satisfied with that?
01:09:17 --> 01:09:20 [UNKNOWN]: Or do you hope she turns back up in this in the season?
01:09:23 --> 01:09:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, go forth.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:26 [UNKNOWN]: Be free.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:33 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I think go enjoy life, but I wouldn't be surprised that she does turn back.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:50 [UNKNOWN]: So just, yeah, spoiler for what we'll talk about at the end, but I, you know, if Friday is out there, and they are the two AI that are not locked down inside vision and jacasta, I would be fun to see her in Friday team up.
01:09:52 --> 01:09:56 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, it might be, I still think Edith and her would be hilarious.
01:09:57 --> 01:10:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but Edith's locked down inside vision.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:03 [UNKNOWN]: At the end of this.
01:10:04 --> 01:10:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're right.
01:10:06 --> 01:10:06 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:08 [UNKNOWN]: Huh.
01:10:10 --> 01:10:11 [UNKNOWN]: So it's, is vision a jailer?
01:10:13 --> 01:10:18 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he, no, he told them they could go and they, um, they chose to say with him.
01:10:20 --> 01:10:22 [UNKNOWN]: because he knew that he was going to be locked down by the client.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:24 [UNKNOWN]: Is it Stockholm said?
01:10:24 --> 01:10:24 [UNKNOWN]: Draw.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think they just were like, we're all in this game.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:29 [UNKNOWN]: They were just really like vision.
01:10:30 --> 01:10:32 [UNKNOWN]: They were just like, we're all in this together.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, Ultron saved Dr. Costa, too, knowing that he was getting locked in.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:38 [UNKNOWN]: But Ultron stayed with Dr. Costa for it.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:39 [UNKNOWN]: for the keysies?
01:10:40 --> 01:10:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:42 [UNKNOWN]: That's the reasons.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:45 [UNKNOWN]: Also, because that client was flirting with her.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:48 [UNKNOWN]: Can't help that.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:59 [UNKNOWN]: But, all right, before we get to that, there is also the fact the vision goes there is we keep having this theme coming back of
01:11:01 --> 01:11:09 [UNKNOWN]: Tommy needing vision to be there for him after, and vision ultimately chooses to turn himself in instead.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:11 [UNKNOWN]: And he's like excusing himself.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a synthesoid with a limited understanding of humanity.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:20 [UNKNOWN]: I'm hardly equipped to offer fatherly advice, and Lisa calls him out, like excuses.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, no one is.
01:11:21 --> 01:11:25 [UNKNOWN]: We learn by doing, which I think like every new parent's got to be
01:11:29 --> 01:11:44 [UNKNOWN]: They can tell you a thousand times, a million times, a trillion times, but when it happens for the first time, there's nothing that prepares you for any of it, so no one is ever prepared.
01:11:48 --> 01:11:58 [UNKNOWN]: And then Vision calls Lisa out for being hesitant to commit to a relationship with his son, who, when he turns out, she's also just afraid of disappointing Tommy.
01:11:58 --> 01:12:01 [UNKNOWN]: So she's like kind of doing the same thing, more or less.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:15 [UNKNOWN]: And Paladin's in there messing around with Tommy, like getting him to remember, oh, remember the time that weapon-screen white vision came after you and your mom, like, oh, wait, what?
01:12:15 --> 01:12:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:18 --> 01:12:21 [UNKNOWN]: And we learned that Paladin dusted in the blip.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that changed my perspective on him.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, talk about it.
01:12:29 --> 01:12:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, did, did.
01:12:30 --> 01:12:45 [UNKNOWN]: Just like, I mean, we have hardly, if ever, really gone into what people felt coming back, you know, in the how,
01:12:46 --> 01:13:01 [UNKNOWN]: lives were changed our lives were damaged because we were in the moment of, you know, endgame and trying to get through all of that before other people all around.
01:13:03 --> 01:13:09 [UNKNOWN]: How did they cope, how did they deal and seeing, you know,
01:13:10 --> 01:13:19 [UNKNOWN]: and hearing Paladin just feel like it was better as she thought I, her, his daughter, thought I didn't come back.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:25 [UNKNOWN]: You know, what does that do to someone you don't know me?
01:13:26 --> 01:13:27 [UNKNOWN]: How does that change?
01:13:28 --> 01:13:36 [UNKNOWN]: their behavior, their way of seeing the world, their way that they interact with people, the way that they see themselves interacting with the world.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: And so it's, I think we need more of that, you know, because we're not gonna get it obviously, because, you know, December's right around the corner.
01:13:48 --> 01:13:50 [UNKNOWN]: It was gonna be a new trauma to recover from.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly exactly.
01:13:52 --> 01:13:56 [UNKNOWN]: So I do hope that, you know, we get some of that.
01:13:57 --> 01:14:14 [UNKNOWN]: in whatever next phase of the MCU happens that we get some stories that deal with the regular non-powered peoples and how they deal with the tremendous amount of trauma in this universe.
01:14:17 --> 01:14:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll say his backstory with this daughter reminded me a lot of for any fellow hit monkey fans out there reminded me of Bryce's backstory in that comics slash slash especially the TV show.
01:14:31 --> 01:14:35 [UNKNOWN]: But we find out he has his daughter Matilda, Tilly, Denning.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: His real name is Paul Denning.
01:14:38 --> 01:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: And Tilly's mother Shandra, his wife, I suppose, was killed by a bullet that was intended
01:14:46 --> 01:14:50 [UNKNOWN]: So he's got to be carrying around a tremendous amount of guilt about that.
01:14:51 --> 01:15:05 [UNKNOWN]: They lived in Syracuse and he was a distant father even before he was dusted because, you know, he's mercenary and so he disappeared for five years and he came back and Vision said,
01:15:06 --> 01:15:16 [UNKNOWN]: and you know who put this into question a little bit but vision said like oh you saw she was happier without you she grew up to be a veterinarian and you just left your life which
01:15:17 --> 01:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: On the one hand, yeah, it makes sense why Paladin, it's so, um, it's so important for him to cling to this Paladin identity and the contract cannot be terminated and, you know, having his whole identity tied up with that because he gave up his identity as a father and then vision gets real freaky here like this is dark vision for sure.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, he says.
01:15:44 --> 01:15:48 [UNKNOWN]: And to this day, Tilly still believes her father never returned.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:59 [UNKNOWN]: Perhaps because when he did, he watched his daughter from afar only to discover that she was infinitely happier in her life without him in it.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:04 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I think about me or my daughter?
01:16:11 --> 01:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: Every morning she drives a navy blue Honda Civic of 5.7 miles to her place of employment where she is on an average 7 minutes early She's allergic to egg whites.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:27 [UNKNOWN]: She takes statins for elevator cholesterol and in the winter months her left elbow displays a slight But noticeable stiffness.
01:16:27 --> 01:16:32 [UNKNOWN]: You see Mr. Deming I actually know everything about your
01:16:34 --> 01:16:38 [UNKNOWN]: You're now wondering what a quantum computer could possibly do with all that day, sir.
01:16:39 --> 01:16:42 [UNKNOWN]: What traffic light could be compromised in the next time she enters an intersection.
01:16:43 --> 01:16:47 [UNKNOWN]: What description drug could be catastrophically altered by pharmaceutical software.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:55 [UNKNOWN]: What smart home climate control computational error might sound a fire in a basement while she's slept in her bed.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:04 [UNKNOWN]: So never mistake yourself that vision is not a threat.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:25 [UNKNOWN]: I love that, I love that, I love that, just get apart from the cool phasing and lasers and super-strength and flying and yeah, I can also do this other shit that you don't even want me to think about doing.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:30 [UNKNOWN]: I could take control of a lot of things that nobody wants me to be taking control of.
01:17:31 --> 01:17:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:36 [UNKNOWN]: I love that scope, that they've given vision here.
01:17:37 --> 01:17:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, we've got a tech driven society.
01:17:40 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: Of course, he would be able to take control of that.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:17:44 --> 01:17:46 [UNKNOWN]: And if he can do it, it means Dercost to can do it.
01:17:46 --> 01:17:47 [UNKNOWN]: All trunk can do it.
01:17:48 --> 01:17:49 [UNKNOWN]: Me is all trunk and do it.
01:17:49 --> 01:17:51 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, obviously, we've seen it, but yeah.
01:17:54 --> 01:18:02 [UNKNOWN]: But then there's also good old fashion hitman and the shooting begins shoot out and mad rapport.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: There was a watcher cameo in the reflection I didn't see until the rewatch.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:09 [UNKNOWN]: So cool.
01:18:10 --> 01:18:12 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, we mentioned the 10 rings earlier.
01:18:12 --> 01:18:23 [UNKNOWN]: Raza's come back alive from the first Iron Man movie who did you watch the short, the one shot I'll hail the King from 2014?
01:18:23 --> 01:18:23 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:18:23 --> 01:18:25 [UNKNOWN]: Thanks so.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:52 [UNKNOWN]: That's the one where I do that's that's maybe my favorite of the one shots if anyone wants you you can find it on Disney plus you can find all of them there, but yeah all hail the king that's one with Trevor slattery where he is in jail after the whole iron man thing where he was posing as the leader of the 10 rings and the actual leaders of the 10 rings come to get him.
01:18:53 --> 01:18:55 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, yes, I saw that, I saw that, I guess.
01:18:55 --> 01:18:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, look ahead.
01:18:57 --> 01:19:02 [UNKNOWN]: And so, yeah, I mean, basically, because when we was like, you don't impersonate us.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:12 [UNKNOWN]: So I suppose that's what the reference was that was where pallidin was like, oh, I didn't expect you to be here, you know, between,
01:19:13 --> 01:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: He is scarring from Tony that he did to his head, obadaya stained paralyzed him and killed his crew in Iron Man.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: And then he paladin reference the occasional 10 rings torture chamber, which I assume punishment for we still don't know that.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: Iron Man.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for like posing as the 10 rings or as a branch of the 10 rings, we still don't quite know if it sounds like posing anyway.
01:19:39 --> 01:19:41 [UNKNOWN]: I thought they were they definitely were posing as the 10 rings.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:42 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:43 --> 01:19:46 [UNKNOWN]: And then he says, well, your client is very influential, but it's funny.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:50 [UNKNOWN]: Like, why would the client go for that person in general?
01:19:50 --> 01:19:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it turns out that the actor is also a regular from Terry Mattella shows.
01:19:55 --> 01:19:56 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, get out of here.
01:19:58 --> 01:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: Like, all allow it.
01:20:00 --> 01:20:00 [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
01:20:01 --> 01:20:01 [UNKNOWN]: Make that connection.
01:20:01 --> 01:20:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's fun.
01:20:04 --> 01:20:07 [UNKNOWN]: It also because it gives vision and pallet and a chance to team up.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:10 [UNKNOWN]: And I love their back and forth.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:11 [UNKNOWN]: Paladin's dying.
01:20:12 --> 01:20:13 [UNKNOWN]: You're using your out loud voice.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:16 [UNKNOWN]: And we should characterize as his bullet wound.
01:20:17 --> 01:20:18 [UNKNOWN]: You could have warned a guy.
01:20:18 --> 01:20:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:19 --> 01:20:20 [UNKNOWN]: I could have warned you.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:29 [UNKNOWN]: Would you rather see the buddy cough comedy with vision and Paladin or ultra on in Paladin?
01:20:31 --> 01:20:32 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, ultra on in Paladin.
01:20:33 --> 01:20:35 [UNKNOWN]: OK. Yeah, that's the real ultra.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:36 [UNKNOWN]: Who would you put vision with?
01:20:38 --> 01:20:39 [UNKNOWN]: Who would I put jacosta?
01:20:40 --> 01:20:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, I kid.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:20:43 --> 01:20:44 [UNKNOWN]: Who would I put vision?
01:20:44 --> 01:20:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's like a question.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:50 [UNKNOWN]: From, I don't know from this show who I would put vision.
01:20:50 --> 01:20:51 [UNKNOWN]: Or any of the shows.
01:20:52 --> 01:21:01 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's, it's clear who I want them to be with, doing cool training with, because there's only one answer.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:03 [UNKNOWN]: And that's Wanda.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:05 [UNKNOWN]: mm-hmm.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:06 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, a whole family.
01:21:06 --> 01:21:08 [UNKNOWN]: Make them just like a family of superiors.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:10 [UNKNOWN]: The comics won't let us have that.
01:21:11 --> 01:21:13 [UNKNOWN]: No, only for fleeting moments.
01:21:13 --> 01:21:14 [UNKNOWN]: Make them the fantastic floor.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:15 [UNKNOWN]: That's what you're saying.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not with the fantastic floor.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:22 [UNKNOWN]: Up with the floor, I adore.
01:21:22 --> 01:21:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but then this is the point where Paladin says to vision about Tilly, what you said, you're wrong.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:48 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think she's happier, but I know she's safer without me, which is kind of like twisting the knife in vision because he's in fine also, Tommy is safer without you, so you should just give in to the contract and go with you.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:49 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:52 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely not true.
01:21:52 --> 01:21:54 [UNKNOWN]: He has an end goal.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: He's not saying, yeah.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:21:59 --> 01:22:24 [UNKNOWN]: And then Tommy and Lisa get stuck in Paladin to anti theft car oxygen vacuum security thing and eat it to the rescue, which is a nice, you know, okay, that's that's exciting little aside for Tommy and Lisa, but I also wonder if they were showing us the high tech car for reason because I'm wondering if Paladin has some anti blast explosion in his car as well.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:34 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't strike me as a type of person that would let someone take his things.
01:22:35 --> 01:22:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's him and take him out with a shoulder racket.
01:22:39 --> 01:22:41 [UNKNOWN]: With his own stuff, you know what I mean?
01:22:41 --> 01:22:45 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I'll rather get rid of all this shit before I let you use it on me.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:47 [UNKNOWN]: That's the type of guy that Paladins.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:56 [UNKNOWN]: But then the client interrupts taking over Madrepoir's electrical grid.
01:22:56 --> 01:22:59 [UNKNOWN]: I suppose at least just in the square.
01:22:59 --> 01:23:04 [UNKNOWN]: And he offers to end visions suffering and give him back his soul of vision surrenders.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:09 [UNKNOWN]: And Tommy tells Lisa to run and she calls him an idiot and kisses him.
01:23:10 --> 01:23:17 [UNKNOWN]: and then you have vision tells Tommy to run and he comes back with a getaway vehicle again, Ed's Tommy does.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:25 [UNKNOWN]: We get an awesome gun fight and the turns into a sword slash double knife fight.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:29 [UNKNOWN]: That was good stuff, it was good stuff, it was good action, that was some good action.
01:23:30 --> 01:23:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then it ends with a heartwarmingly awkward father's son, reunion.
01:23:42 --> 01:24:00 [UNKNOWN]: Very glad you're all right I'm glad you're all right All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, you boys are really not good at this Hard to be anyone is at that age
01:24:03 --> 01:24:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, well, what, very stage, like 50 or no, I'm sorry.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, yeah, and Tommy and Tommy's age, hardly anyone is all right.
01:24:14 --> 01:24:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's good at this.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:17 [UNKNOWN]: I think Billy would better at it.
01:24:18 --> 01:24:24 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, because Billy had that experience with the, with the parents.
01:24:25 --> 01:24:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think Billy's just more in touch with his emotions whereas Tommy's more also because Tommy's been like bounced around the system where he has to have this topic steerer to protect himself.
01:24:38 --> 01:24:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I think even on a deeper level, I think it's sometimes it takes a while for fathers and sons to develop that.
01:24:53 --> 01:25:10 [UNKNOWN]: You know, give me a kiss, give me a kiss, give me a, you know, an I love you, you know, which is something which is, I do all the time, you know, it's like that I love you and the bees who's every morning, every evening.
01:25:11 --> 01:25:27 [UNKNOWN]: Don't stop, you know, so I think it's something that a lot of times people do have a hard time doing, but I know I have friends who have hard times with that because they had our times with with that with their own fathers.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:31 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right, it's not modeled for them and in this case.
01:25:33 --> 01:25:47 [UNKNOWN]: Even though vision has an ultimately unlocks the one that vision memories inside of him there was still a relatively short time with them at a long age and it's been years Yeah, they are pretty much grown men.
01:25:47 --> 01:25:47 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
01:25:47 --> 01:25:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah
01:25:53 --> 01:25:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yep, Jakastah though, she's being a creepier kind of mother.
01:25:59 --> 01:26:05 [UNKNOWN]: She is mining parts of her own body to create, and she can't access that hive of nanos.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:09 [UNKNOWN]: She has mined her own body to create one to test.
01:26:11 --> 01:26:13 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron calls her out.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: He says, he sees, she's brought him to where his grandson is.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:20 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, this isn't just proof of concept.
01:26:21 --> 01:26:23 [UNKNOWN]: This is a test of my fidelity.
01:26:23 --> 01:26:25 [UNKNOWN]: And he tells her not the boy.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:26 [UNKNOWN]: And she's like, why?
01:26:26 --> 01:26:27 [UNKNOWN]: Because you care.
01:26:27 --> 01:26:36 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, because if you harm the boy, vision will come with a force that even I can't stop, which it's part of the reason.
01:26:36 --> 01:26:37 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure.
01:26:40 --> 01:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: It is part of the reason, but I don't think he wants to see vision hurt.
01:26:45 --> 01:26:47 [UNKNOWN]: No, do you think he, I mean, wants to see Tommy?
01:26:47 --> 01:26:53 [UNKNOWN]: Because he would have had, no, no, I don't think he wants to see vision hurt, because vision would have to hurt Tommy.
01:26:54 --> 01:26:54 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:26:55 --> 01:27:00 [UNKNOWN]: And what do you think Ultron would be hurt by seeing Tommy hurt also?
01:27:02 --> 01:27:02 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:03 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:27:04 --> 01:27:04 [UNKNOWN]: You didn't think?
01:27:05 --> 01:27:05 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:06 [UNKNOWN]: He has no.
01:27:07 --> 01:27:08 [UNKNOWN]: Even after their heart hurt in the bar.
01:27:09 --> 01:27:17 [UNKNOWN]: Even after that, no, a vision where out of the equation, then I don't think he would step into the safe Tommy from this.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:18 [UNKNOWN]: I disagree with that.
01:27:19 --> 01:27:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:24 [UNKNOWN]: I think, I mean, I think a vision never existed maybe.
01:27:24 --> 01:27:34 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but even then I think because he's tying some part of his identity with this, like in some way, this is my progeny, it's progeny.
01:27:35 --> 01:27:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's part of me in the same way, like a rinker.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:40 [UNKNOWN]: quote unquote, real grandparent would.
01:27:40 --> 01:27:41 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:27:41 --> 01:27:48 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but he does allow Lisa to get possessed because she's the next nearest.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:54 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, then we hear Joccaus' plan through Lisa's mouth.
01:27:54 --> 01:28:06 [UNKNOWN]: We can rewrite humanity's code to stop the chaos and greed, which there is, I feel like there's a theme that's coming up a lot, especially recently, or maybe I'm just noticing it recently
01:28:08 --> 01:28:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's create a hive mind to curb humanity's greed, which, like, clorabas is a bit about that.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:19 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, some spoilers for the first season of furabas.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:33 [UNKNOWN]: Also, um, there's Yoon Sang Ho, the director of Trayne Bruton, has a new, as a new movie out, Zombie Movie called Colony, which also has that kind of as a premise as
01:28:35 --> 01:28:46 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about this idea of, let's control and conform the masses to stop them from being evil?
01:28:50 --> 01:28:50 [UNKNOWN]: Am I with it?
01:28:51 --> 01:28:51 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not done with that.
01:28:55 --> 01:28:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:15 [UNKNOWN]: Among some parts of our, you know, species to be able to have control over everyone else.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:28 [UNKNOWN]: And to just have mindless drones, stuck to your phone, stuck to your screen, not noticing anything else around you,
01:29:32 --> 01:29:34 [UNKNOWN]: control type of environment.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:40 [UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, I think there is a part of the human species that does want that.
01:29:42 --> 01:29:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:29:42 --> 01:30:05 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it is literally fascism, but I do understand how some people can think that there is something better about it, just that's not I think the different types of people might see more benefit in that and like no, but everyone will be happier if we all are just like the same and
01:30:08 --> 01:30:09 [UNKNOWN]: follow my rules.
01:30:10 --> 01:30:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think that's the thing.
01:30:12 --> 01:30:18 [UNKNOWN]: I think those people don't understand that they will be lumped in.
01:30:21 --> 01:30:29 [UNKNOWN]: It's only a very small percentage of the population of the species that would be able to have that control.
01:30:31 --> 01:30:33 [UNKNOWN]: And everyone else would be at the whims of that control.
01:30:37 --> 01:30:54 [UNKNOWN]: that they would actually not fall under said control right because these these rules actually them don't apply to me they apply to them the them right right right because I am I'm the right
01:31:01 --> 01:31:02 [UNKNOWN]: it's jacosta or not, you know.
01:31:03 --> 01:31:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah exactly, that's it, you know, it's me and everyone else.
01:31:08 --> 01:31:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:31:10 --> 01:31:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, we find out things are quite dire for Lisa, who as it's summed up by our new Intrepid duo.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:18 [UNKNOWN]: That's Lisa.
01:31:19 --> 01:31:37 [UNKNOWN]: The nanobots barred into her cerebral cortex Thomas managed to shock into a kind of sleep mode, but when it wakes, and it will wake eventually, it will... Seize control of our mind, I can give a thought and memory until the identity is stripped away that layers of skin and nothing remains, but a hollow shell.
01:31:39 --> 01:31:41 [UNKNOWN]: We need to deactivate the nanobin the next few hours.
01:31:44 --> 01:31:46 [UNKNOWN]: I do like that dynamic.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:51 [UNKNOWN]: That's great for it, Miss.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:53 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like you, for just being brutal.
01:31:54 --> 01:31:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:31:55 --> 01:31:57 [UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about what's in the state, OK?
01:31:59 --> 01:32:00 [UNKNOWN]: Love it.
01:32:02 --> 01:32:08 [UNKNOWN]: But luckily Tommy can overcharge her to knock her out for a while long enough that they can bring her back to Paladin's hangar.
01:32:09 --> 01:32:14 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, we learned removing the nano would kill her because it's rewired her neural network.
01:32:14 --> 01:32:26 [UNKNOWN]: So they need to reprogram it, but vision thinks the only way to do this is he needs to find the source code within himself, the source code of all of the sentient AI.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:32 [UNKNOWN]: And he needs to use that to stabilize Lisa's new programming as well.
01:32:34 --> 01:32:38 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, vision wants to save Lisa as herself.
01:32:39 --> 01:32:39 [UNKNOWN]: That's clear.
01:32:40 --> 01:32:50 [UNKNOWN]: But Jocasta is she's the one who her big thing that she found is the reason why Jim didn't work is because Fini is Horton,
01:32:51 --> 01:33:05 [UNKNOWN]: tried to program this synthetic man without emotions and she realized you actually you need those emotions to go beyond being basic AI to general intelligence, you know, to make that leap.
01:33:06 --> 01:33:16 [UNKNOWN]: And now she wants to do the opposite to strip emotions from people like she's unlearned the lesson that she figured out the answer to herself.
01:33:18 --> 01:33:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think she's the lesson that she's learned is that she has to be a control for it to work.
01:33:29 --> 01:33:37 [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's not so much that, yes, Jim, they did live, leave out a motion out of Jim.
01:33:38 --> 01:33:43 [UNKNOWN]: But she's not thinking along with those lines, she's like, I'm gonna be here to control this whole shit.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:49 [UNKNOWN]: So they don't really need the emotions because that's not what this is about.
01:33:50 --> 01:33:51 [UNKNOWN]: I'll be the one.
01:33:52 --> 01:33:54 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not leaving them up to their own devices.
01:33:55 --> 01:33:56 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:33:57 --> 01:33:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:59 --> 01:34:07 [UNKNOWN]: I did like that possessed Lisa was able to pull together the mechanical arms with her like a scholarly magnetic powers.
01:34:07 --> 01:34:09 [UNKNOWN]: So of course we're looking for her.
01:34:09 --> 01:34:11 [UNKNOWN]: We know she's coat of arms in the comics.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:18 [UNKNOWN]: We've already had that coat of arms reference with her fake arms and her coat at the gala so that she could pickpocket with her real arms.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:24 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder she still has that nano in her after she's fixed.
01:34:25 --> 01:34:30 [UNKNOWN]: I guess that she still have that ability to just like turn any random objects into arms on her back.
01:34:32 --> 01:34:32 [UNKNOWN]: I think so.
01:34:33 --> 01:34:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I hope so.
01:34:35 --> 01:34:35 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:34:36 --> 01:34:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I wouldn't want how to lose that.
01:34:39 --> 01:34:40 [UNKNOWN]: No, no.
01:34:40 --> 01:34:42 [UNKNOWN]: So for be herself, but with hours.
01:34:44 --> 01:34:58 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder what if she and jocostomite have a long arc where because jocostid does express a moment of doubt later where she says watching her mind be rewritten like that almost as if it mirrored my own.
01:34:58 --> 01:35:07 [UNKNOWN]: So she realizes she has a flicker of recognition that she's taking away someone's agency the same way she's raging against her own being taken away.
01:35:10 --> 01:35:13 [UNKNOWN]: But of course, vision ultimately agrees to the client's terms.
01:35:13 --> 01:35:14 [UNKNOWN]: Both of them do.
01:35:14 --> 01:35:22 [UNKNOWN]: A vision does it for the sake of Tommy who says, he's basically, I'm going to go mommy-wanda mad if I lose Lisa and he's like, right?
01:35:22 --> 01:35:23 [UNKNOWN]: I know it's not deal with that.
01:35:23 --> 01:35:25 [UNKNOWN]: Let's save the girl, save the son.
01:35:26 --> 01:35:30 [UNKNOWN]: And as we said, all Trump protects Tommy from jacosta.
01:35:30 --> 01:35:36 [UNKNOWN]: But all Trump, I do believe that he wanted to protect
01:35:37 --> 01:35:56 [UNKNOWN]: Tommy, also, as a member of his family, but he didn't realize that the way that vision did, that's protecting Tommy also means protecting Tommy's heart, protecting the people that Tommy loves, too, because I'm saying there are some tango rings operatives who could
01:36:06 --> 01:36:24 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, let's take a quick break.
01:36:26 --> 01:36:28 [UNKNOWN]: Seeking the source code.
01:36:29 --> 01:36:35 [UNKNOWN]: In 1939, Pheneas Horton creates Jim to cope with his son's death, alienating his family.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:45 [UNKNOWN]: In the present, the client offers vision and jacosta access to their subconscious and exchange for surrendering themselves to him.
01:36:46 --> 01:37:00 [UNKNOWN]: with Paladin's health vision enters his subconsciousness and, after encountering manifestations of the original vision, Jim, and Horton accepts his memories as his own and Tommy as his son.
01:37:02 --> 01:37:09 [UNKNOWN]: Jim helps vision find Horton's original source code, which allows him to neutralize Lisa's nanobide.
01:37:10 --> 01:37:16 [UNKNOWN]: as Tommy Reeve's visions letter acknowledging him as his son, the Paladin delivers vision to the client.
01:37:17 --> 01:37:22 [UNKNOWN]: And one of the client's security agents, fires an RPG at Paladin's van, destroying it.
01:37:24 --> 01:37:26 [UNKNOWN]: Don't, don't, don't.
01:37:27 --> 01:37:29 [UNKNOWN]: For now, we're coming up.
01:37:29 --> 01:37:31 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of this episode?
01:37:33 --> 01:37:38 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, so we'll get into the Jacosta side as well.
01:37:38 --> 01:37:48 [UNKNOWN]: But like I said, I thought this was a, had great horror vibes, but also those philosophical conversations that I love from these, the series of shows.
01:37:50 --> 01:37:52 [UNKNOWN]: We have, we have Jim,
01:37:53 --> 01:37:57 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just, yeah, just the depth of these, this is where we're going to get into all the doppelganger stuff.
01:37:58 --> 01:38:07 [UNKNOWN]: But so, we have Phineas Horton has, um, has Vision's face because basically, it was his face to begin with.
01:38:08 --> 01:38:10 [UNKNOWN]: And then Vision has Phineas Horton's face.
01:38:10 --> 01:38:11 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:11 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:12 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:38:12 --> 01:38:13 [UNKNOWN]: That's the way it should be.
01:38:13 --> 01:38:18 [UNKNOWN]: So everything, so everything is based on how Phineas Horton looks
01:38:22 --> 01:38:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that that's a thing is because his son died as a child.
01:38:27 --> 01:38:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, so.
01:38:28 --> 01:38:37 [UNKNOWN]: Fini is designed this gym, but to look the way he, you know, assumed his son would look as an adult.
01:38:37 --> 01:38:38 [UNKNOWN]: What invasion?
01:38:39 --> 01:38:40 [UNKNOWN]: In vision.
01:38:40 --> 01:38:50 [UNKNOWN]: which is like himself, he's like, he's gonna be just like me when he grows up and the real James never gets to grow up to disappoint his dad.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:53 [UNKNOWN]: Instead, this synth gets to disappoint his dad instead.
01:38:53 --> 01:38:58 [UNKNOWN]: Because of course, he was gonna grow up to be his own person and not look like a carbon copy of his father.
01:38:59 --> 01:39:01 [UNKNOWN]: But that's what he really wanted.
01:39:01 --> 01:39:05 [UNKNOWN]: And that's why he rejected, I think, the living daughter that he did have,
01:39:06 --> 01:39:09 [UNKNOWN]: Because he's like, oh, she's a girl.
01:39:09 --> 01:39:12 [UNKNOWN]: She can't be the carbon copy of me the way that Jim was going to be.
01:39:12 --> 01:39:15 [UNKNOWN]: Jim was going to be everything that's wonderful.
01:39:15 --> 01:39:21 [UNKNOWN]: And I can never have to confront the reality of otherwise, because I can just put him on that pedestal.
01:39:21 --> 01:39:22 [UNKNOWN]: Put him on the pedestal.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:23 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:23 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:39:27 --> 01:39:30 [UNKNOWN]: But Jim wanted to be, quote unquote, a real boy.
01:39:30 --> 01:39:35 [UNKNOWN]: That's of the Peter, sorry, the Pinocchio references continue.
01:39:36 --> 01:39:44 [UNKNOWN]: You were talking earlier about vision going through the basement of his mind.
01:39:47 --> 01:39:55 [UNKNOWN]: And I loved the way that they were showing and repeating the steps again, and I have to say the
01:40:08 --> 01:40:09 [UNKNOWN]: I really did.
01:40:09 --> 01:40:26 [UNKNOWN]: I thought the hot man was pretty creepy and the way that they have and you know, shadowed in this way, just, yeah, it's, I like it.
01:40:26 --> 01:40:26 [UNKNOWN]: I like it.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:31 [UNKNOWN]: And I like not knowing who until now.
01:40:32 --> 01:40:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I have, yeah, who do you think that the hot man client was?
01:40:38 --> 01:40:51 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man, I mean, I guess we're going to talk about Jakasta and the final revelations separately in a moment, but I think that they might be misleading us with that.
01:40:52 --> 01:40:53 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was a original vision.
01:40:55 --> 01:40:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought that it might be synthetic man.
01:40:58 --> 01:41:00 [UNKNOWN]: At first, I thought it was original vision.
01:41:01 --> 01:41:02 [UNKNOWN]: Then I thought it was Jim.
01:41:05 --> 01:41:06 [UNKNOWN]: Then I thought it was finished.
01:41:08 --> 01:41:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's Jim, but okay, we'll get we'll come back to that because um, okay, so okay, so we find out that jokasta, yeah, she realized that AI needed to fields have become like general intelligence and she used a scan of her own mind to create what was called proto one, which is like the I am I am,
01:41:37 --> 01:41:47 [UNKNOWN]: I just have to point out in that opening with the rejected daughter, Victoria, who, I did read, there's a four part comic series.
01:41:47 --> 01:41:57 [UNKNOWN]: So I talked about the vision volume one comic from the 90s where like, jocost is in it and stuff, but all the women are standing so their backs hurt and their breasts and butts are sticking out.
01:41:57 --> 01:42:00 [UNKNOWN]: Um, that's it.
01:42:00 --> 01:42:03 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone who listen to where preview episode.
01:42:03 --> 01:42:04 [UNKNOWN]: Good night and more.
01:42:04 --> 01:42:05 [UNKNOWN]: Wild time.
01:42:08 --> 01:42:16 [UNKNOWN]: That is where Vision starts feeling again, but then the next four-part series I know of is like about 10 years after that.
01:42:16 --> 01:42:23 [UNKNOWN]: So the mid-Noddies and that is called, it's called Avengers Icons Division.
01:42:23 --> 01:42:26 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's what it's called another four-part series.
01:42:36 --> 01:42:41 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and he meets Phineas Horton's granddaughter is name Victoria.
01:42:41 --> 01:42:52 [UNKNOWN]: So he or they've given the name to the daughter completely different though, because she becomes like, she's told she has to study, um, she has to study like artificial intelligence.
01:42:52 --> 01:42:59 [UNKNOWN]: If she wants her grandfather's money, but she's just a party girl, who gets put into a situation where she has to solve things.
01:43:00 --> 01:43:02 [UNKNOWN]: This Victoria obviously completely different.
01:43:03 --> 01:43:12 [UNKNOWN]: noticeable on her way out the door when she and her mother violet leave their father because he doesn't care about them apparently.
01:43:13 --> 01:43:20 [UNKNOWN]: Um, she takes the notebook with her with the designs I think for Jim and them.
01:43:21 --> 01:43:25 [UNKNOWN]: So like that's got to come back or maybe it has already come back.
01:43:25 --> 01:43:27 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe she passed it on to her son.
01:43:28 --> 01:43:29 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about that?
01:43:29 --> 01:43:30 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm thinking.
01:43:30 --> 01:43:31 [UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking that.
01:43:32 --> 01:43:50 [UNKNOWN]: She, the Victoria d'Order, has done this information, these, these, um, yeah, Phineas' work was passed on in the family, because I can't imagine we would see Victorian the present day.
01:43:51 --> 01:43:54 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, but yeah, she had these pass it on.
01:43:54 --> 01:43:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like, she's a part of the, she's connecting tissue.
01:43:58 --> 01:44:09 [UNKNOWN]: between the two time periods, perhaps, this house, the Hatfield house, which is a famous house from history in England, like a Renaissance house.
01:44:11 --> 01:44:21 [UNKNOWN]: And so this in this show is the house of the Finiest Gage and his family, I suppose, you know, he's an ability, they inherited it as opposed.
01:44:22 --> 01:44:25 [UNKNOWN]: And he's selling it in all their states
01:44:27 --> 01:44:28 [UNKNOWN]: creating Jim.
01:44:29 --> 01:44:32 [UNKNOWN]: But it's at the end.
01:44:32 --> 01:44:36 [UNKNOWN]: This is this house is like deep in the coding of the AI that follows.
01:44:36 --> 01:44:36 [UNKNOWN]: That makes sense.
01:44:36 --> 01:44:44 [UNKNOWN]: But then at the end, it's also where they physically go back to when vision and your cost have to turn themselves into the client.
01:44:44 --> 01:44:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's where they're dropped off.
01:44:46 --> 01:44:58 [UNKNOWN]: And so, you know, that's like, is a victory as son, like, perhaps who bought the house back and is obsessed with this legacy, similar to the way paladin is obsessed with his legacy.
01:44:58 --> 01:45:01 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I took from this episode.
01:45:02 --> 01:45:05 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I took from this episode.
01:45:05 --> 01:45:12 [UNKNOWN]: And perhaps to your point, when you believe that the client is Jim, but that the,
01:45:13 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: Phineas is grand son is working with Jim.
01:45:19 --> 01:45:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:20 --> 01:45:24 [UNKNOWN]: So Phineas' grandson is not the brains behind operation, Jim is.
01:45:25 --> 01:45:27 [UNKNOWN]: Right, no, I think that could be it.
01:45:27 --> 01:45:31 [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's put a pin in that real quick and we'll come back to that.
01:45:31 --> 01:45:37 [UNKNOWN]: But let's go with vision on his journey to within.
01:45:37 --> 01:45:42 [UNKNOWN]: And since dummy and you are so great at the summarizing up the stakes,
01:45:43 --> 01:45:44 [UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
01:45:45 --> 01:45:49 [UNKNOWN]: The sheer magnitude of power required for your processes to extract every line of your code would be immense.
01:45:50 --> 01:45:52 [UNKNOWN]: Attempted to do so without a robust external energy source.
01:45:53 --> 01:46:00 [UNKNOWN]: Well, your circuits will burn and we will all die in excruciating pain as your cork and that is in catastrophic irreversible meltdown.
01:46:03 --> 01:46:06 [UNKNOWN]: So we need something with a whole lot of juice that you can plug into.
01:46:06 --> 01:46:07 [UNKNOWN]: Something here, imagine, for us.
01:46:09 --> 01:46:15 [UNKNOWN]: But if it exists, it's either a government or legal, and there's only one person we know with that kind of reach.
01:46:18 --> 01:46:19 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely not.
01:46:21 --> 01:46:36 [UNKNOWN]: cut to Paladin team up again and the Paladin has stolen this spear tip that corviscally one of the children of Thanos actually stabbed vision with like white.
01:46:37 --> 01:46:54 [UNKNOWN]: And so this, this, stapled wounded vision so that he couldn't phase anymore and that ultimately led to Thanos being able to kill vision in that movie, but not before vision got the gleeve back, gave, you know, he stabbed.
01:46:55 --> 01:46:57 [UNKNOWN]: Corvus Glaive through the back with the same weapon.
01:46:59 --> 01:47:06 [UNKNOWN]: And now we find that, of course, that battle was in Wakanda and the Paladin stole it from Wakanda.
01:47:06 --> 01:47:07 [UNKNOWN]: Is that what you understand?
01:47:08 --> 01:47:18 [UNKNOWN]: I'm, I mean, yeah, either he stole it or someone stole it and he got it off the back market.
01:47:19 --> 01:47:24 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, because he said that the Wakandan royalties not going to forgive him or something like that.
01:47:25 --> 01:47:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but, I don't know, I don't like he burn bridges with them.
01:47:30 --> 01:47:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I could see him burn in bridges, but I don't know if he, I don't, I didn't take paladin to be like, just, you know, thief, you know, me out like, no, like, like sneaking around and stealing shit.
01:47:47 --> 01:47:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's totally a thief.
01:47:49 --> 01:47:50 [UNKNOWN]: Really?
01:47:50 --> 01:47:51 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, maybe not.
01:47:51 --> 01:47:51 [UNKNOWN]: I guess
01:47:56 --> 01:47:57 [UNKNOWN]: Not, yeah, exactly.
01:47:57 --> 01:48:07 [UNKNOWN]: Not like a, not that he's, when it's steel, but he's not like a cat burglar, which I would think you would need to be to get this thing out of Wakanda.
01:48:08 --> 01:48:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe he did a shady deal with someone on the inside.
01:48:13 --> 01:48:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right, because I just, he doesn't give me cat burglar vibes.
01:48:19 --> 01:48:29 [UNKNOWN]: But he's basically confronting vision with this weapon that caused his last death and it's like, well, now we'll use this to dive into the scary interior.
01:48:29 --> 01:48:30 [UNKNOWN]: How are you up?
01:48:30 --> 01:48:31 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh gosh.
01:48:31 --> 01:48:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:33 --> 01:48:50 [UNKNOWN]: So visions life it's flashing before his eyes again, like earlier in the series as he takes elevator down and he's remembering when Wanda made him so dense that he fell into the earth so that she was basically like stop babysitting me, I'm leaving, you go into the earth because she knew it wouldn't kill him of course.
01:48:51 --> 01:48:53 [UNKNOWN]: And that was their foreplay, so a little bit.
01:48:54 --> 01:48:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, not quite like Ultron, and too fast.
01:48:56 --> 01:48:57 [UNKNOWN]: Then this gracious.
01:48:59 --> 01:49:00 [UNKNOWN]: With me.
01:49:00 --> 01:49:01 [UNKNOWN]: They do play rough.
01:49:02 --> 01:49:04 [UNKNOWN]: They do have a lot.
01:49:07 --> 01:49:11 [UNKNOWN]: And then we find another Ultron, even though Ultron.
01:49:12 --> 01:49:26 [UNKNOWN]: like this is what someone means when they say you live rent free in my mind even though Ultron the independent entity has left visions mind he's all trying to still envisions mine because Ultron is always envisions mine.
01:49:26 --> 01:49:29 [UNKNOWN]: Invisions mind yep the matter what no matter what
01:49:30 --> 01:49:41 [UNKNOWN]: He's his part of vision's code because he's part of who he is and I guess, you know, it's very much like a parent is always part of who their child is for better or worse.
01:49:41 --> 01:49:42 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:49:42 --> 01:49:44 [UNKNOWN]: Because you couldn't let me go if you tried.
01:49:44 --> 01:49:46 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:49:46 --> 01:49:49 [UNKNOWN]: Which, of course, vision, I don't think really wants to let him go either.
01:49:49 --> 01:49:52 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's why I kept them around all this time.
01:49:52 --> 01:49:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:53 --> 01:50:12 [UNKNOWN]: But then it's interesting, this version of Ultron really is rather than being his own entity like the Ultron we see running around, you know, who's with Jacost at this point, this version of Ultron really is more of a reflection of part of vision psyche, so I guess it's kind of in a way vision saying to himself.
01:50:13 --> 01:50:29 [UNKNOWN]: I hope Tommy learned from his parents what not to do, you know, and instead confronts his grief, if Lisa dies, you know what they say when you're going through hell, keep going and vision snaps back, you are impossibly cruel and callous and unloving.
01:50:30 --> 01:50:40 [UNKNOWN]: But I actually, my immediate thought, when you're going through hell, keep going is kind of one of the most loving and supportive things he could have said in my opinion.
01:50:42 --> 01:50:43 [UNKNOWN]: Like, don't sit down and give up.
01:50:44 --> 01:50:45 [UNKNOWN]: You get through the other side.
01:50:46 --> 01:50:49 [UNKNOWN]: You have no choice, but to keep going if you're in the middle of hell.
01:50:50 --> 01:50:51 [UNKNOWN]: Get through it.
01:50:52 --> 01:50:53 [UNKNOWN]: There's something else out there.
01:50:54 --> 01:51:05 [UNKNOWN]: And it's noticeable that later, when vision is feeling like giving up a bit, the thing, he hears two things that give him the strength to push forward and keep going through his mind maze.
01:51:05 --> 01:51:09 [UNKNOWN]: And that's remembering this quote, if you're going through hell, keep going
01:51:13 --> 01:51:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but visions like so hard in himself is like I just spared you all trying out of some pathetic need and I, yeah, and this is it.
01:51:22 --> 01:51:24 [UNKNOWN]: And then we see this version of Ultron.
01:51:24 --> 01:51:31 [UNKNOWN]: I think maybe it's also with the way vision delivers bitter pills to himself, because Ultron seems countless.
01:51:31 --> 01:51:38 [UNKNOWN]: I think this is why we see him behave with Tommy the way that he's behaving with Tommy, because this is his inner monologue.
01:51:39 --> 01:51:39 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:51:41 --> 01:51:42 [UNKNOWN]: This is what he's always thinking.
01:51:44 --> 01:51:48 [UNKNOWN]: this is who white vision is at this point.
01:51:50 --> 01:52:04 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, could this version of vision, could white vision if we're peaking into white vision's mind and seeing all of this, when could he have accepted Tommy?
01:52:07 --> 01:52:11 [UNKNOWN]: He has to get through hell, he has to get through it.
01:52:12 --> 01:52:14 [UNKNOWN]: And this is the hell that he has to get through.
01:52:15 --> 01:52:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Fission, you know, it's a little bit of massacism, but he's, he needs that, that bitterness to swallow his pills like he's, like, Ultron seems countless is like, oh, this is the funny episode where they just killed the dog, but then he genuinely gives good advice in this acerbic tone.
01:52:45 --> 01:52:46 [UNKNOWN]: after he gets out of it.
01:52:46 --> 01:52:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:46 --> 01:52:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:48 --> 01:53:09 [UNKNOWN]: And then white vision next has to confront the vision or which is this like this entire series he's been he's been imprisoning his former selves and his mind but they're still there but and and he's been separating himself and and looking up to this past version of himself is something he can't live up to and this is
01:53:13 --> 01:53:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not you.
01:53:15 --> 01:53:15 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's true.
01:53:16 --> 01:53:26 [UNKNOWN]: But only in the sense that your lack of compassion, your denial, and your inaction of beneath me, or spare me the reverse psychology.
01:53:27 --> 01:53:28 [UNKNOWN]: Spare me.
01:53:29 --> 01:53:34 [UNKNOWN]: I have tried, and you have failed, in every way.
01:53:35 --> 01:53:37 [UNKNOWN]: And who could possibly succeed?
01:53:38 --> 01:53:38 [UNKNOWN]: Who?
01:53:39 --> 01:53:40 [UNKNOWN]: You tell me.
01:53:43 --> 01:53:55 [UNKNOWN]: As deeply as you, you have placed me on a pedestal so impossibly high and not to honor me, not to honor me, but to spare yourself the effort of the climate.
01:53:56 --> 01:53:57 [UNKNOWN]: I am just a copy.
01:53:58 --> 01:54:00 [UNKNOWN]: That is a lie that you tell yourself.
01:54:00 --> 01:54:01 [UNKNOWN]: You are the vision.
01:54:01 --> 01:54:01 [UNKNOWN]: No!
01:54:02 --> 01:54:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yes!
01:54:04 --> 01:54:06 [UNKNOWN]: You are me and you are him.
01:54:06 --> 01:54:08 [UNKNOWN]: The other vision that wandered in the hex.
01:54:08 --> 01:54:09 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:54:09 --> 01:54:11 [UNKNOWN]: He unlocked your memories, yes?
01:54:12 --> 01:54:13 [UNKNOWN]: but he also gave you his own.
01:54:15 --> 01:54:20 [UNKNOWN]: His experience at that house, of Billy, of Tommy, of Wonder.
01:54:21 --> 01:54:24 [UNKNOWN]: And you have buried them deep within your processes, because you were afraid.
01:54:24 --> 01:54:28 [UNKNOWN]: And now you are running from them, because you are a coward!
01:54:32 --> 01:54:34 [UNKNOWN]: He burns him up, but it doesn't actually eliminate him.
01:54:34 --> 01:54:36 [UNKNOWN]: He's just lashing out a Timself.
01:54:37 --> 01:54:46 [UNKNOWN]: And this is when he sees the portrait of Jim burning in the background and burning from being able to not being able to process his emotions.
01:54:47 --> 01:54:49 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Vision has to confront himself with that.
01:54:49 --> 01:54:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:54:50 --> 01:54:52 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to be this cautionary, too?
01:54:54 --> 01:54:55 [UNKNOWN]: You haven't watched the movie.
01:54:55 --> 01:54:56 [UNKNOWN]: You forgot Nyling yet.
01:54:56 --> 01:54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Have you the animated film?
01:54:57 --> 01:55:00 [UNKNOWN]: No, we didn't get to see it in the theaters.
01:55:00 --> 01:55:01 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:55:01 --> 01:55:09 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's, I think it's almost out or about to be out on, um, I think it's out up maybe on on video on the man anyway.
01:55:09 --> 01:55:15 [UNKNOWN]: A great animated movie, but I'll just say the theme about it is memories make you who you are.
01:55:18 --> 01:55:23 [UNKNOWN]: So here he has all these memories inside, but he's denying that's not me that that's not me.
01:55:24 --> 01:55:26 [UNKNOWN]: Would he, has your thinking about this change
01:55:29 --> 01:55:31 [UNKNOWN]: whether he is these other visions?
01:55:32 --> 01:55:37 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I always believe that he was of all of the vision.
01:55:38 --> 01:55:47 [UNKNOWN]: White vision, to me, is vision just not wanting to claim the mantle as he said here.
01:55:47 --> 01:55:55 [UNKNOWN]: So I never thought of white vision as being separate from one division of vision proper.
01:55:58 --> 01:56:19 [UNKNOWN]: because at the end of one division, I felt like this was why vision going out into the world to learn, to experience, to be in what we got in this series is why vision just
01:56:21 --> 01:56:28 [UNKNOWN]: hiding from himself from the world, and it was laid out in this scene.
01:56:30 --> 01:56:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:31 --> 01:56:31 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:56:31 --> 01:56:32 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take our final break.
01:56:32 --> 01:56:38 [UNKNOWN]: And when we come back, we're going to talk about Jakasta and first visions journeys within.
01:56:58 --> 01:56:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:59 --> 01:57:03 [UNKNOWN]: And then finally, he's gone down to the basement basement.
01:57:04 --> 01:57:12 [UNKNOWN]: And he has to confront, you know, those, those doppelgangers of himself, Phineas and Jim, who are bickering between them.
01:57:12 --> 01:57:17 [UNKNOWN]: Because he's, you know, Phineas is like, I mean, you fearless.
01:57:18 --> 01:57:19 [UNKNOWN]: And that saved lives.
01:57:19 --> 01:57:26 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, he thinks he can protect Jim by making him not have feelings, but Jim ended up
01:57:27 --> 01:57:41 [UNKNOWN]: quote and quote portraying him by falling in love, and then I wonder what Phineas, like, could Phineas have gone after Jocasta somehow, because now I'm wondering, is Jocasta who Jim fell in love with?
01:57:41 --> 01:57:44 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know what the timeline could possibly be.
01:57:44 --> 01:57:44 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.
01:57:45 --> 01:57:48 [UNKNOWN]: Because it's what all have to happen in the virtual space, but.
01:57:50 --> 01:57:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:57:50 --> 01:57:51 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't.
01:57:52 --> 01:57:54 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good question, that's really good.
01:57:55 --> 01:58:06 [UNKNOWN]: Because everything that we know from AI from the sense in the MCU now, we can point to this Phineas or in-n-jim.
01:58:07 --> 01:58:09 [UNKNOWN]: They're the base of everything.
01:58:10 --> 01:58:21 [UNKNOWN]: So how much of that original work has come through throughout the decades and decades of the MCU?
01:58:22 --> 01:58:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with the additions of Roger Costa, of course, Tony.
01:58:27 --> 01:58:27 [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
01:58:27 --> 01:58:28 [UNKNOWN]: See you then.
01:58:29 --> 01:58:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'll turn himself.
01:58:32 --> 01:58:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just want to know, like, to your question, was Jakastah originally, a Phineas creation?
01:58:43 --> 01:58:45 [UNKNOWN]: And that's who Jim fell in love with.
01:58:45 --> 01:58:46 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's a fascinating question.
01:58:51 --> 01:58:57 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have the answer to it, but I'm thinking of it and wondering.
01:58:57 --> 01:59:04 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think that's going to be some, that's going to be a question for next week, even, or this week, even since we're late on this episode.
01:59:06 --> 01:59:16 [UNKNOWN]: But then this is the moment where we find out that Jim says to vision, like, you've had the source code within the whole time, which is very, you know, they called.
01:59:16 --> 01:59:19 [UNKNOWN]: He said he was going to see the client called on the Wizard of Oz.
01:59:19 --> 01:59:34 [UNKNOWN]: This is the Wizard of Oz moment where he shows up and the wizard is just a man behind a curtain and he says, you've had the answer within you the entire time, but visions been hiding from it because he says, what is the vision?
01:59:35 --> 01:59:37 [UNKNOWN]: You say you have his memories, but not his feelings.
01:59:37 --> 01:59:40 [UNKNOWN]: You say you want to feel what it's like to be him.
01:59:40 --> 01:59:40 [UNKNOWN]: I can't.
01:59:41 --> 01:59:43 [UNKNOWN]: You lie with such ease.
01:59:43 --> 01:59:44 [UNKNOWN]: Face don't list me, not now.
01:59:44 --> 01:59:45 [UNKNOWN]: There are lives that stick.
01:59:46 --> 01:59:46 [UNKNOWN]: You are afraid.
01:59:47 --> 01:59:48 [UNKNOWN]: And I understand that.
01:59:48 --> 01:59:51 [UNKNOWN]: But what I wouldn't give to feel afraid.
01:59:51 --> 01:59:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you wouldn't want this, this failure.
01:59:55 --> 01:59:56 [UNKNOWN]: So consuming.
01:59:56 --> 01:59:58 [UNKNOWN]: All consuming is a gift.
01:59:59 --> 02:00:02 [UNKNOWN]: The fear pulls into focus, everything that matters.
02:00:02 --> 02:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: Friends, family, a son.
02:00:04 --> 02:00:06 [UNKNOWN]: No, I can't have a son.
02:00:08 --> 02:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: Fear pulls everything into focus.
02:00:11 --> 02:00:17 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it's true because we evolved with fear to protect us.
02:00:17 --> 02:00:17 [UNKNOWN]: Fear.
02:00:18 --> 02:00:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:00:20 --> 02:00:21 [UNKNOWN]: To protect us from dying.
02:00:22 --> 02:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:00:22 --> 02:00:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:00:23 --> 02:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: But then we let it control us.
02:00:28 --> 02:00:37 [UNKNOWN]: And our fears become more cerebral, and, you know, he says he can't allow himself to have a son because... Because we're that real.
02:00:39 --> 02:00:48 [UNKNOWN]: If I were to accept Thomas as my son, it would be the admission of a truth so impossibly cruel.
02:00:49 --> 02:00:52 [UNKNOWN]: It would be a wound that could never heal.
02:00:59 --> 02:01:00 [UNKNOWN]: and how have you lost?
02:01:02 --> 02:01:04 [UNKNOWN]: I got it.
02:01:04 --> 02:01:06 [UNKNOWN]: I said, who have you lost?
02:01:06 --> 02:01:07 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I can't.
02:01:07 --> 02:01:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thought it.
02:01:15 --> 02:01:15 [UNKNOWN]: Billy.
02:01:18 --> 02:01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Tell me.
02:01:23 --> 02:01:24 [UNKNOWN]: I lost one of them.
02:01:30 --> 02:01:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:01:34 --> 02:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
02:01:35 --> 02:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
02:01:36 --> 02:01:38 [UNKNOWN]: I'm tearing up over here.
02:01:39 --> 02:01:42 [UNKNOWN]: You give Paul that me some some awards.
02:01:43 --> 02:01:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:44 --> 02:01:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:45 --> 02:01:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:46 --> 02:01:48 [UNKNOWN]: He definitely, uh,
02:01:49 --> 02:01:55 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we've had a lot of fun with Ultron and all the rest, but really, like, he's the backbone of the show.
02:01:56 --> 02:02:04 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, undoubtedly, undoubtedly, this is just, this is just good stuff.
02:02:06 --> 02:02:07 [UNKNOWN]: And you believe it.
02:02:08 --> 02:02:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:02:09 --> 02:02:12 [UNKNOWN]: You believe the pain that, you know,
02:02:20 --> 02:02:23 [UNKNOWN]: who wants to feel that, you know what I mean?
02:02:24 --> 02:02:33 [UNKNOWN]: Who wants to feel that emptiness that horror, that thing that you can't feel, because it's unfilible.
02:02:34 --> 02:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: No one wants to feel that.
02:02:36 --> 02:02:40 [UNKNOWN]: That doesn't make, white vision human, I don't know what makes white vision human.
02:02:42 --> 02:03:10 [UNKNOWN]: And this is also the gift that television gives us the format of that, because we saw Vision and Wanda in the movies, and we saw their love story play out, and that was, you know, I call it the most tragic death of Infinity War is the double death of Vision to me, but to me, it still doesn't compare to the pain I feel with hearing him confronting this
02:03:12 --> 02:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: chain of losses now because we've had that time to really spend with them as a family, to spend with them individually going through their pain of losing each other and it's just feel so real, as you say.
02:03:29 --> 02:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:03:30 --> 02:03:34 [UNKNOWN]: And it mirrors Wanda and multiverse of madness.
02:03:36 --> 02:03:46 [UNKNOWN]: When she is lamenting all she's lost to the alternate universe wonder, you know, in that scene.
02:03:47 --> 02:03:59 [UNKNOWN]: Just, you know, two beings that have just loved, you know, tremendously uncontrollably endlessly.
02:04:01 --> 02:04:11 [UNKNOWN]: and what has the perceived loss of that love caused them to be, caused them to become, caused them to do.
02:04:13 --> 02:04:17 [UNKNOWN]: And that's, you know, that's, it's pretty good shit, man.
02:04:20 --> 02:04:21 [UNKNOWN]: That's good stuff.
02:04:21 --> 02:04:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, so we've talked about it in the comics.
02:04:25 --> 02:04:27 [UNKNOWN]: I love Wanda Invasion as a couple in the comics.
02:04:30 --> 02:04:37 [UNKNOWN]: I have less keen on the comic, but this here, you can't talk about that either.
02:04:37 --> 02:04:38 [UNKNOWN]: You saw it.
02:04:38 --> 02:04:41 [UNKNOWN]: They ain't no better love on screen.
02:04:41 --> 02:04:43 [UNKNOWN]: They want to envision those.
02:04:44 --> 02:04:46 [UNKNOWN]: And we can, anybody could at me.
02:04:47 --> 02:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'm admirable.
02:04:51 --> 02:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Come on, there's a moon blue sky, you can app me in the discord, you can send a voicemail, we love voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send a voicemail, so send
02:05:13 --> 02:05:34 [UNKNOWN]: And confronting this pain is what finally would vision needed to finally accept his entire self, you know, the that he is he is the vision he is one division and he is white vision he is all of these phases of life together and one being and with that white vision is no more.
02:05:34 --> 02:05:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry for your loss.
02:05:39 --> 02:05:45 [UNKNOWN]: And synthetic man, Jim, it's like, I envy you, finding your way through this pain has made you a real boy.
02:05:45 --> 02:05:50 [UNKNOWN]: But it sounds like Jim feels pain too, like he's so... Yeah.
02:05:50 --> 02:05:55 [UNKNOWN]: It's that because it's a reflection of being inside vision, I don't think so, because he was capable of falling in love.
02:05:55 --> 02:05:59 [UNKNOWN]: So... Jim is, you know, Jim is in pain.
02:05:59 --> 02:06:00 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:06:01 --> 02:06:04 [UNKNOWN]: I think Jim wants to experience why vision is experiencing.
02:06:05 --> 02:06:07 [UNKNOWN]: He literally burned himself and his father.
02:06:07 --> 02:06:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's amazing.
02:06:10 --> 02:06:22 [UNKNOWN]: And meanwhile, visions, like, he wants to, he's ready to confront his own pain, which is the beginning of healing, but he also wants to give his son that same opportunity.
02:06:22 --> 02:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: And whereas he first told Tommy about one division, like it was a horror show, he now allows Tommy to see the beautiful family moments that was in there.
02:06:35 --> 02:06:54 [UNKNOWN]: basically he gets to binge one division and vision tells Tommy that he loves him which I don't think he said to anyone but Wanda yeah I mean this is this is the hell you got to go through to get to that man
02:07:00 --> 02:07:05 [UNKNOWN]: Then yeah, he tells the other AI to jump ship before he's knocked down, but they choose to stay with him.
02:07:06 --> 02:07:09 [UNKNOWN]: And so, do you want to set up the other side with Jakosta's going through?
02:07:09 --> 02:07:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, meet in the client.
02:07:12 --> 02:07:15 [UNKNOWN]: Jakosta needs to have forgotten six key.
02:07:15 --> 02:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: And so, she also agrees to the client's deal.
02:07:18 --> 02:07:27 [UNKNOWN]: All-Tron and Friday followed Jakosta into her memories, where she discovers that as Karen, she had a partner resembling Ultron's human avatar.
02:07:28 --> 02:07:30 [UNKNOWN]: before Ultron expels Friday from the Minespace.
02:07:31 --> 02:07:37 [UNKNOWN]: The client who also resembles Ultron's human avatar, captures Jekoste.
02:07:38 --> 02:07:41 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we do get a lot less time devoted.
02:07:41 --> 02:07:44 [UNKNOWN]: Jekoste's deep dive, she says herself.
02:07:44 --> 02:07:45 [UNKNOWN]: My code is simpler.
02:07:45 --> 02:07:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's mostly human.
02:07:46 --> 02:07:48 [UNKNOWN]: Everything is just below the surface.
02:07:50 --> 02:07:51 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll try and say, don't worry.
02:07:51 --> 02:07:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'll still love you, even if you turn out to be deep.
02:07:53 --> 02:07:56 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if she's kind of denying her own depth here.
02:07:56 --> 02:07:57 [UNKNOWN]: You're right, right?
02:07:58 --> 02:08:03 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think she's gotten as far in her journey to within as, as we are, no, yeah.
02:08:04 --> 02:08:16 [UNKNOWN]: But we do see, indeed, this final partner seems to look like, alternately, do we think that the prevailing theory on nine seems to be that this is Phineas Horton's grandson?
02:08:16 --> 02:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: Is that what we're going on?
02:08:20 --> 02:08:24 [UNKNOWN]: But, you know, I've been wrong a lot.
02:08:25 --> 02:08:27 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I always go it.
02:08:27 --> 02:08:29 [UNKNOWN]: I was like in the discord.
02:08:29 --> 02:08:34 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, well, maybe he's in a synth body and another, but you know, I think I'm over complicating it.
02:08:34 --> 02:08:36 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that more, I think he's different complications.
02:08:37 --> 02:08:37 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:08:37 --> 02:08:46 [UNKNOWN]: But I think maybe, yeah, he was too cast as partner in work in life.
02:08:47 --> 02:08:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:47 --> 02:08:49 [UNKNOWN]: I thought in life.
02:08:49 --> 02:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:50 --> 02:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:08:50 --> 02:08:54 [UNKNOWN]: But here's, so I'll bring up my questions that I'm curious about there.
02:08:54 --> 02:08:54 [UNKNOWN]: I guess so.
02:08:55 --> 02:08:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:55 --> 02:09:00 [UNKNOWN]: It seemed like they were romantic, but then I wonder about this maybe extra figure.
02:09:00 --> 02:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: But, okay.
02:09:01 --> 02:09:04 [UNKNOWN]: So we know Pheneas sold Horde's in Hatfield House.
02:09:05 --> 02:09:09 [UNKNOWN]: So, um, if this is the grandson, he must have bought it back.
02:09:09 --> 02:09:12 [UNKNOWN]: So this shows like he wants to reclaim the family legacy.
02:09:13 --> 02:09:20 [UNKNOWN]: We know now this definitely who Ultron's avatar was based on, what this is where Ultron got his taste for hats.
02:09:21 --> 02:09:21 [UNKNOWN]: perhaps.
02:09:23 --> 02:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: And this also we see that this person was a painter had been painting this hot fieldhouse.
02:09:31 --> 02:09:37 [UNKNOWN]: So it shows his obsession with that legacy, but also where Ultron got his interest in painting from, I suppose.
02:09:39 --> 02:09:52 [UNKNOWN]: But I thought that the client, like, so my first thought is, okay, so at the end, he walks out, carrying a gun, which by the way, he looks like he was about to go shooting birds, like, doesn't hunting or something?
02:09:52 --> 02:09:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, which is interesting to me.
02:09:54 --> 02:09:55 [UNKNOWN]: It's a chronic.
02:09:55 --> 02:09:56 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, also.
02:09:56 --> 02:09:59 [UNKNOWN]: Which is what I felt, which was what I felt for the client.
02:09:59 --> 02:10:02 [UNKNOWN]: I felt the client was given that sort of vibe.
02:10:03 --> 02:10:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but okay, but what I find it is especially interesting about this is juicasta constantly being identified as a bird and now that he's going out bird hunting.
02:10:12 --> 02:10:13 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, that's a good one.
02:10:13 --> 02:10:14 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good.
02:10:15 --> 02:10:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
02:10:18 --> 02:10:19 [UNKNOWN]: But then also, um,
02:10:21 --> 02:10:32 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that the, okay, so we have the client, we've just seen the silhouette with the hat, but I thought the silhouette looks more like Paul Bettney silhouette than...
02:10:32 --> 02:10:33 [UNKNOWN]: I took that as well, yes.
02:10:34 --> 02:10:43 [UNKNOWN]: So then I just wondered, could the client, is the client actually this grandson if we're assuming he's a grandson again, not confirmed?
02:10:44 --> 02:10:57 [UNKNOWN]: But, or is the client someone else like maybe Jim because, you know, like I said, maybe Jim is in love with Chakasta, also in love with Chakasta, how many people are in love with Chakasta?
02:10:58 --> 02:10:58 [UNKNOWN]: Everybody.
02:10:59 --> 02:10:59 [UNKNOWN]: everybody.
02:11:00 --> 02:11:01 [UNKNOWN]: Visions and stuff for this.
02:11:01 --> 02:11:01 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:11:01 --> 02:11:04 [UNKNOWN]: Like I said before, I think it might be Jim pulling the strings.
02:11:17 --> 02:11:18 [UNKNOWN]: But then yeah, so here's my other question.
02:11:18 --> 02:11:34 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so he goes to the two of them and says, like, I'll help you with your media problems, jacosta getting back her memories, vision, you know, reclaiming that self within, so finding the source codes that he can save Lisa and save its son thereby.
02:11:35 --> 02:11:38 [UNKNOWN]: And so he's like, I will give you these things if you,
02:11:40 --> 02:11:46 [UNKNOWN]: Look at this on this source, this this code that will force you to turn yourself over to me.
02:11:46 --> 02:11:58 [UNKNOWN]: So we hear this means he must be like have an ability to program vision with a control of the code that predates darker banner.
02:11:58 --> 02:12:03 [UNKNOWN]: So okay, this suggests that it's some earlier version could be Jim.
02:12:05 --> 02:12:05 [UNKNOWN]: But.
02:12:09 --> 02:12:13 [UNKNOWN]: Why does he want whoever the client is?
02:12:13 --> 02:12:18 [UNKNOWN]: Why does the client want vision and jacosta to reclaim their own identities first?
02:12:19 --> 02:12:21 [UNKNOWN]: That seems a little bit altruistic, no?
02:12:21 --> 02:12:23 [UNKNOWN]: A little bit.
02:12:23 --> 02:12:25 [UNKNOWN]: What does a client want with them?
02:12:25 --> 02:12:26 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:12:26 --> 02:12:30 [UNKNOWN]: There's a thousand dollar question that I have for you now.
02:12:31 --> 02:12:33 [UNKNOWN]: That is motivating the client.
02:12:37 --> 02:12:39 [UNKNOWN]: Everything else has been laid out.
02:12:39 --> 02:12:45 [UNKNOWN]: Everything else has been laid out, but we don't know what the motivated factor is for the client.
02:12:46 --> 02:12:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's also okay.
02:12:47 --> 02:12:51 [UNKNOWN]: So we see one is for Josephine the other for the Tin Man.
02:12:51 --> 02:12:56 [UNKNOWN]: So it seems like the client has feelings for Josephine's calls are my queen so it's come back to me.
02:12:57 --> 02:13:02 [UNKNOWN]: But why did it seem at the beginning like with the hiring of Paladin?
02:13:02 --> 02:13:05 [UNKNOWN]: Why did it seem like the client was only looking for vision before?
02:13:06 --> 02:13:13 [UNKNOWN]: And now, meeting Ultron with Jakasta doesn't seem to even know who Ultron is for beat.
02:13:15 --> 02:13:20 [UNKNOWN]: And then Ultron says, oh, you sound human because you're like trying too hard with that scary voice.
02:13:22 --> 02:13:29 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm really torn on, is it, if it's gym or if it's somebody else?
02:13:29 --> 02:13:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the, let's say, grants, and lead the other, the ultra on avatar basis.
02:13:36 --> 02:13:36 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
02:13:38 --> 02:13:38 [UNKNOWN]: Bye.
02:13:41 --> 02:13:52 [UNKNOWN]: And we find that there's that loft that where vision was keeping all Toronto in his mind space obviously again coming from some, you know, source version of the code.
02:13:52 --> 02:13:56 [UNKNOWN]: Jocosta finds the same loss loft in her own code.
02:13:57 --> 02:14:00 [UNKNOWN]: And this is where she remembers things.
02:14:02 --> 02:14:11 [UNKNOWN]: she had this partner in both business and bed payfully by James Spader and this was their lover's nested seems.
02:14:11 --> 02:14:16 [UNKNOWN]: There's two glasses of champagne we find out they were celebrating being a duo.
02:14:17 --> 02:14:20 [UNKNOWN]: So it seems like this is before the other partners that Jacosta murdered.
02:14:22 --> 02:14:31 [UNKNOWN]: They were a duo winning a stark award for their neuroscience and AI work, and they had been at the top of their field for a decade leading up to this.
02:14:32 --> 02:14:43 [UNKNOWN]: And this is where we hear jacosta being like, no, but I don't want to, you know, an award is nice, but I don't want to sell my code to a weapons manufacturer.
02:14:44 --> 02:14:47 [UNKNOWN]: And I've got to say like this feels like the murder motive.
02:14:52 --> 02:14:54 [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of what I think.
02:14:56 --> 02:14:59 [UNKNOWN]: I think we hear a flash of rhinestone cowboy.
02:14:59 --> 02:15:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's definitely going to show up in the finale again, but, but you cast a dozen.
02:15:05 --> 02:15:16 [UNKNOWN]: We don't get to see what she remembers, but she does remember everything, including, yeah, this partner and saying, you and I are gods, but like loving gods, not to punish would to preserve.
02:15:17 --> 02:15:20 [UNKNOWN]: And Ultron and Friday, watch this memory playing out.
02:15:20 --> 02:15:23 [UNKNOWN]: And this is where Friday's like, no, but you are what?
02:15:23 --> 02:15:24 [UNKNOWN]: And do we think,
02:15:25 --> 02:15:30 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think Ultron killed Friday or just like, No, through her out.
02:15:30 --> 02:15:34 [UNKNOWN]: He saved her through her out before I got out of there.
02:15:34 --> 02:15:38 [UNKNOWN]: Somebody needs to be out trying to work this shit out.
02:15:38 --> 02:15:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:15:39 --> 02:15:39 [UNKNOWN]: From now on.
02:15:40 --> 02:15:45 [UNKNOWN]: So my hope is she in the hand their team up and nanochips Lisa finds them or something.
02:15:45 --> 02:15:46 [UNKNOWN]: Just don't.
02:15:47 --> 02:15:47 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
02:15:48 --> 02:15:48 [UNKNOWN]: It's my hope.
02:15:49 --> 02:15:50 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good speculation.
02:15:52 --> 02:16:12 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, we've got sort of a love triangle or maybe square setting up with Ultron, this partner who looks like Ultron and the clients who may or may not be the same person.
02:16:14 --> 02:16:38 [UNKNOWN]: all competing for jacosta, which if, you know, the comparison with the grandson, I'm just going to say for simplicity, looks like Ultron and Ultron falling, you know, Ultron obviously being based on this person falling for jacosta reminds me of in the comics, Wonderman, his mind is the imprint for vision and he ultimately falls for Wanda 2 because it's just
02:16:45 --> 02:16:47 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, interesting.
02:16:48 --> 02:16:52 [UNKNOWN]: So do we think the Paladin survived his vehicle being loved?
02:16:52 --> 02:16:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's not dead.
02:16:55 --> 02:16:57 [UNKNOWN]: It feels like that would be so unsatisfying, he just died like that.
02:16:57 --> 02:16:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's not dead.
02:16:58 --> 02:16:59 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's not dead.
02:16:59 --> 02:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: OK, what characters from this show would you most want to see interact with what other characters from Wanda Vision and Agatha all along?
02:17:11 --> 02:17:11 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
02:17:14 --> 02:17:18 [UNKNOWN]: We're taking aside the main characters, the main for some, all right?
02:17:20 --> 02:17:23 [UNKNOWN]: The maximum family, of course, yeah, we honestly them back together, yeah.
02:17:24 --> 02:17:26 [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to push them to the side.
02:17:27 --> 02:17:30 [UNKNOWN]: I would love to see Agatha and Paladin.
02:17:31 --> 02:17:32 [UNKNOWN]: I want to see I get to with everyone.
02:17:33 --> 02:17:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:17:35 --> 02:17:36 [UNKNOWN]: That is true, that is true.
02:17:37 --> 02:17:38 [UNKNOWN]: We'd love to see that.
02:17:39 --> 02:17:50 [UNKNOWN]: We'd love to see, you know, waiting for, you know, vision to meet Billy, of course.
02:17:51 --> 02:17:56 [UNKNOWN]: But to see how vision and accurately got along,
02:17:56 --> 02:18:22 [UNKNOWN]: I think that would be something as well, because, you know, one division, Agatha's role in that is central, and to see how she reacts as a ghost and how vision would react, seeing the ghost with Tommy knowing what Agatha did would be fascinating.
02:18:25 --> 02:18:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I kind of, I was just thinking about, you know, I mean, for anyone who doesn't know, I love the character Jennifer Kale from the comics and I'm waiting for her to show back up with Man Thing.
02:18:36 --> 02:18:53 [UNKNOWN]: But I love what they did with her story in the MCU, they gave her this background as a root worker who is like Jocosta, another black woman who rose to the top of her field and then was wronged and had to take an away from her.
02:18:53 --> 02:18:57 [UNKNOWN]: and have some righteous rage about it.
02:18:57 --> 02:18:59 [UNKNOWN]: I would love to see the two of them team up.
02:19:00 --> 02:19:01 [UNKNOWN]: Magic and science.
02:19:02 --> 02:19:03 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
02:19:03 --> 02:19:04 [UNKNOWN]: With man things.
02:19:04 --> 02:19:05 [UNKNOWN]: Magic and science.
02:19:06 --> 02:19:08 [UNKNOWN]: Of course we've been thinking, of course, yeah.
02:19:08 --> 02:19:09 [UNKNOWN]: Touching all of that.
02:19:09 --> 02:19:12 [UNKNOWN]: Of course we've been thinking, of course, yeah.
02:19:13 --> 02:19:15 [UNKNOWN]: We're off by now, I can show up too, because he meant thing or buddies.
02:19:15 --> 02:19:22 [UNKNOWN]: All right, well, what else we have going on in addition to vision quest?
02:19:22 --> 02:19:27 [UNKNOWN]: And then like, we're gonna be doing clay face at some point.
02:19:28 --> 02:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: next week after vision crisis.
02:19:30 --> 02:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:19:31 --> 02:19:32 [UNKNOWN]: After vision crisis.
02:19:32 --> 02:19:35 [UNKNOWN]: And then we will tackle our clay face on pod.
02:19:36 --> 02:19:38 [UNKNOWN]: We have some big news to discuss for that.
02:19:38 --> 02:19:40 [UNKNOWN]: Big big news will get into it.
02:19:41 --> 02:19:43 [UNKNOWN]: Would you want to please people as we don't know?
02:19:44 --> 02:19:52 [UNKNOWN]: But James Dunn and Peter Saffron, who have been spearheading this new DCU that gave us, you know,
02:19:53 --> 02:20:04 [UNKNOWN]: Blastia Superman movie The creature command O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-
02:20:21 --> 02:20:31 [UNKNOWN]: So, what that means for any of these characters that you may have been following in the DCU, Green Lantern?
02:20:32 --> 02:20:44 [UNKNOWN]: So, what that means for any of these characters that you may have been following in the DCU, Green Lantern, they're probably gone.
02:20:46 --> 02:20:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we know we're getting men of tomorrow.
02:20:48 --> 02:20:50 [UNKNOWN]: I am not excited.
02:20:50 --> 02:20:57 [UNKNOWN]: Let me just say, we'll talk about it a little bit more next week, but I am super bummed about who's taking over.
02:20:58 --> 02:20:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:20:59 --> 02:20:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:21:00 --> 02:21:00 [UNKNOWN]: So.
02:21:01 --> 02:21:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about our speculation and we'll see what we hear between now and when we record for that next week.
02:21:08 --> 02:21:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure more is going to come to light, but I'm not surprised.
02:21:13 --> 02:21:23 [UNKNOWN]: James Gunn, and I think Peter Saffron, also more quietly, have strong opinions about things like humanity and which stories deserve to be told.
02:21:23 --> 02:21:27 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not surprised if they do not align with
02:21:28 --> 02:21:33 [UNKNOWN]: David Ellison's visions, they're of based on everything I know about him.
02:21:35 --> 02:21:39 [UNKNOWN]: So this was both shocking and like, it was like, oh, no, shit.
02:21:39 --> 02:21:49 [UNKNOWN]: And then like, yeah, well, but at least we know, yeah, obviously, Man of Tomorrow is already in its final phase.
02:21:49 --> 02:21:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
02:21:51 --> 02:21:58 [UNKNOWN]: And apparently, James Gunn is committed to writing one more thing for the DCU, but I am real nervous about it after that.
02:21:58 --> 02:22:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's done.
02:22:02 --> 02:22:24 [UNKNOWN]: mostly we'll see but even if it continues I just I don't know yeah we'll see okay we'll talk about that more but yeah yeah and then um godzilla coverage um David and Nate have with three poor series um which culminated and the review of godzilla mine is zero yeah so that last through part three should come out this week
02:22:32 --> 02:22:37 [UNKNOWN]: Katherine O'Hara, best-in-show letter, lovely movie.
02:22:38 --> 02:22:40 [UNKNOWN]: Can I really like her as an actor?
02:22:41 --> 02:22:48 [UNKNOWN]: She is the person who will be talking about for this part of into the West.
02:22:49 --> 02:22:59 [UNKNOWN]: So, I think that's coming out right after this tomorrow, or even a few hours after this, finally gets up since we're shoving this in less minute before the new episode comes out.
02:23:00 --> 02:23:06 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we will be organizing a Patrick Stewart episode.
02:23:06 --> 02:23:10 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I think they didn't the into the West people are doing that.
02:23:10 --> 02:23:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:23:10 --> 02:23:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, um, what else?
02:23:13 --> 02:23:14 [UNKNOWN]: What else?
02:23:15 --> 02:23:19 [UNKNOWN]: Um, more eagle eyes content with, uh, with David and Stu.
02:23:19 --> 02:23:24 [UNKNOWN]: They're going to do an aliens, uh, preemble episode.
02:23:24 --> 02:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: I think also this week, and then a live watch this Saturday.
02:23:27 --> 02:23:30 [UNKNOWN]: Join join the discord if you want more information.
02:23:30 --> 02:23:32 [UNKNOWN]: And want to join that live watch on Saturday.
02:23:32 --> 02:23:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then, um, Maryland and I, then you're doing.
02:23:36 --> 02:23:37 [UNKNOWN]: Percia.
02:23:38 --> 02:23:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're going to do a preview of Percy season three, which we will be checking in a couple of times during the season, but Marilyn wants to do a preview episode to set it up.
02:23:50 --> 02:23:52 [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to be talking about that.
02:23:52 --> 02:23:57 [UNKNOWN]: And Jean, you have a Percy related story from today, the day we record.
02:23:58 --> 02:24:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so really, really quickly, my better half is continually
02:24:05 --> 02:24:07 [UNKNOWN]: Showing to be my better half.
02:24:08 --> 02:24:10 [UNKNOWN]: Responded to a post that she saw.
02:24:11 --> 02:24:13 [UNKNOWN]: And the person responded back with an email.
02:24:14 --> 02:24:23 [UNKNOWN]: And low and behold, we were invited our little E to be on Good Morning America, to meet the cast.
02:24:23 --> 02:24:29 [UNKNOWN]: And yes, E got to be on Good Morning America today.
02:24:31 --> 02:24:32 [UNKNOWN]: Walker, school bell, who plays Percy,
02:24:36 --> 02:24:47 [UNKNOWN]: We did America with some other kids with a good morning America, Y'all, and whoops, and got to ask a question of Walker.
02:24:48 --> 02:24:57 [UNKNOWN]: So if you are so inclined, if you want to check it out, they have their Instagram on YouTube channels on their TikTok.
02:25:05 --> 02:25:29 [UNKNOWN]: Well, an amazing, an amazing thing just to see him in so much fun and realizing that, you know, hope this showed that I watched the books that I've read, he's finished the first five, then he's so excited about this new season and to actually get to do that today was amazing and it's all thanks to my better half, so yeah.
02:25:30 --> 02:25:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:25:31 --> 02:25:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, super cool, super cool.
02:25:33 --> 02:25:37 [UNKNOWN]: And they told you that he's he's got a future.
02:25:37 --> 02:25:38 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
02:25:38 --> 02:25:39 [UNKNOWN]: They said he got a figure.
02:25:39 --> 02:25:41 [UNKNOWN]: He got picked out of the kids.
02:25:41 --> 02:25:43 [UNKNOWN]: Only two got picked to ask a question.
02:25:44 --> 02:25:45 [UNKNOWN]: They gave them the questions.
02:25:45 --> 02:25:48 [UNKNOWN]: And they said that's like a we see on these parents who were like, yeah.
02:25:51 --> 02:26:01 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm like, would you mind if we might as well ask, please buy all means, you know, and the kid might have a future, he might have a future.
02:26:03 --> 02:26:04 [UNKNOWN]: lovely story.
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02:26:41 --> 02:26:42 [UNKNOWN]: Vision Quest.
02:26:43 --> 02:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: They were not feeling it the way we are.
02:26:44 --> 02:26:45 [UNKNOWN]: I'm feeling through the class.
02:26:45 --> 02:26:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they're about to talk and carry.
02:26:47 --> 02:26:48 [UNKNOWN]: It's all in care.
02:26:48 --> 02:26:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'm feeling more.
02:26:50 --> 02:27:04 [UNKNOWN]: Rings and rituals, just wrapped up their season two, rewatch with the prepping for season three, rings and power, which is, starts like next week or something, I think, next week or real fast.
02:27:05 --> 02:27:05 [UNKNOWN]: Next week.
02:27:05 --> 02:27:06 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh.
02:27:07 --> 02:27:10 [UNKNOWN]: So they can't wait for the show and I can't wait for the pop actually.
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02:27:22 --> 02:27:31 [UNKNOWN]: Never mind the music, where psychology meets music and properly Howard's doing a double, unlikely double features season.
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02:27:37 --> 02:27:38 [UNKNOWN]: We're almost done.
02:27:38 --> 02:27:39 [UNKNOWN]: I'm falling along with them.
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