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00:27 --> 00:44 [UNKNOWN]: Hello, Alicia from the Walshift Dust podcast ready to take you for the drive, through the new reveals and teases of season 3, episode 6 of Silo on Apple TV, and I'm Luke just back from hanging out with Lucas and Patrick Kennedy in the single Martha Shove the Men too because Kennedy wouldn't shut up.
00:45 --> 00:48 [UNKNOWN]: Why is it always Patrick Kennedy, by the way?
00:48 --> 00:50 [UNKNOWN]: Why is it never, just Patrick?
00:51 --> 01:02 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know, because it's, I mean, why do we call Robert Sims more often, but Bernard Holland mostly Bernard?
01:02 --> 01:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and we've got to get out of that habit because we really do need to start calling them Camille and Robert, because there are two many Sims now.
01:10 --> 01:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I do, I do say that's why in the like the recap things I do try to specify which is which but I'll be honest Yeah, the reason why I call one Bernard and the other sims is because that's how people refer to them in the book And of course there's no communal so it's less confusing
01:29 --> 01:40 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, we are here for our weekly silo season coverage continuing with season 3 episode 6, the drive where mysteries new and old begin to converge.
01:40 --> 01:44 [UNKNOWN]: Before we begin Luke, what is the full official spoiler policy for this podcast?
01:45 --> 01:48 [UNKNOWN]: So the discussion will be spoiled the free beyond what's already aired.
01:48 --> 01:49 [UNKNOWN]: So it's full spoilers.
01:49 --> 01:54 [UNKNOWN]: for seasons one, two, and the first five episodes of season three.
01:54 --> 02:01 [UNKNOWN]: At least she has read the books I haven't, so at least you can bring up anything from the books that we've already seen on screen.
02:02 --> 02:06 [UNKNOWN]: But to protect my and your spoiler innocence,
02:06 --> 02:08 [UNKNOWN]: There'll be no future books boilers.
02:08 --> 02:15 [UNKNOWN]: Except we are allowed to discuss the new in-universe show book with the mystery of the pairs by Robert Sems.
02:16 --> 02:16 [UNKNOWN]: C.S.
02:16 --> 02:22 [UNKNOWN]: at Robonis episode break down of that surprise Apple book short story dropped from earlier this week.
02:23 --> 02:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so as we discussed there, that booklet is not from the book universe, but it's from specifically the show universe.
02:33 --> 02:36 [UNKNOWN]: But there were some fun little details revealed.
02:36 --> 02:41 [UNKNOWN]: We went over them in that little, it's a much shorter episode podcast.
02:41 --> 02:42 [UNKNOWN]: I recommend listening to it first.
02:42 --> 02:46 [UNKNOWN]: If you haven't yet, I recommend reading the short story before that.
02:46 --> 02:49 [UNKNOWN]: If you haven't yet, but we will feel free
02:54 --> 03:05 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, even though I am the book reader, the show leaves a lot of room for speculation, so if I'm speculating it's genuine, if I can't say anything, I just won't.
03:05 --> 03:18 [UNKNOWN]: But if you want the full spoiler discussion and deep dives into the intricacies of the book version of the story, I have a separate book club podcast with fellow reader Abby for that stick around until the end of the episode to learn more.
03:20 --> 03:48 [UNKNOWN]: Now, before we get into the episode, I saw just before we started recording this, actually, there was a discord message that popped up from Banamana, and it says, if responding to our need for an alternate SimpsNard scale now, and Banamana says, maybe we should call it the Pez scale, and the question is, how likely is the person to be an ally if you share a red level of relic with them?
03:49 --> 03:55 [UNKNOWN]: That is a very good call, banana, banana, do you need anything to do with it?
03:55 --> 04:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is a very good call, but the problem is with three and a half seasons into a four season, I run, I'm not changing scales now.
04:06 --> 04:33 [UNKNOWN]: You're stuck with Sims now, but I mean maybe that's that's another way we can think about it I mean I was saying that my interpretation is currently that it's um Who do I trust to tell me the truth and I might keep that because I guess I've learned that that's important to me that That I just want to know who I can trust to say the real thing even if it's a hard thing to say Yeah, I think that makes sense
04:36 --> 04:39 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, let's get into season three episode six, The Drive.
04:39 --> 04:48 [UNKNOWN]: This is the new longest one at 54 minutes released Friday, August 7th, 2026 on Apple TV.
04:48 --> 05:03 [UNKNOWN]: This one was directed by Ulrich Riley, who is a new director to the series, but already a prolific TV director in his own right to make in British director who has directed episodes of, for example, the Walking Dead,
05:05 --> 05:12 [UNKNOWN]: Lots of NCIS and similar, which I think is what they're tapping into for the sort of Nora show, as we've said.
05:12 --> 05:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, actually, yes, you come at three cents.
05:16 --> 05:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that makes sense.
05:17 --> 05:23 [UNKNOWN]: And he won a BAFTA in 1999 for Stanton Blues, which is also called the cops.
05:23 --> 05:23 [UNKNOWN]: Do you know that?
05:23 --> 05:24 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know that one.
05:24 --> 05:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's a British show, though.
05:26 --> 05:26 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
05:27 --> 05:28 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know that.
05:29 --> 05:46 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and this one was written by friend of the podcast, Saul Caieros, who is also wrote a episode four of season two, the harmonium and, uh, if you haven't yet, I highly recommend listening to my interview with him, my conversation with him after season two, uh, concluded.
05:46 --> 05:49 [UNKNOWN]: You'll find that wherever you're listening to this in the same feed.
05:50 --> 05:50 [UNKNOWN]: Um,
05:50 --> 06:01 [UNKNOWN]: the if this is of course based on the silo series of books by Hugh Howie, namely the main trilogy will shift and dust and the plot of this episode is Billings and Hank Stumble on a new mystery.
06:01 --> 06:04 [UNKNOWN]: Daniel and Helen receive a surprising proposition.
06:05 --> 06:07 [UNKNOWN]: What are your overall thoughts in this episode look?
06:08 --> 06:10 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I thought this was the point.
06:11 --> 06:17 [UNKNOWN]: in the series where the whole thing seemed to get kicked up into a higher gear.
06:17 --> 06:24 [UNKNOWN]: I think next episode we're going to see a lot of information revealed to Danny on Howan.
06:24 --> 06:27 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, good grief was that a cliff hang out.
06:27 --> 06:31 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, when the character comes out and goes, how do you want to save the world?
06:31 --> 06:32 [UNKNOWN]: You can't end it there!
06:32 --> 06:34 [UNKNOWN]: You're going to tell me who I can to know who!
06:35 --> 06:44 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I thought it was very interesting that the voice, what we're now calling the algorithm is that's how the characters refer to it.
06:45 --> 06:45 [UNKNOWN]: Um,
06:47 --> 06:52 [UNKNOWN]: spoke to Camille in the way that it did, as several points during the episode.
06:53 --> 07:07 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was very interesting that it allowed itself to speak to Juliaette, given what we saw at the end of season two, where it booted Robert Sims and Anthony out of the vaults.
07:07 --> 07:08 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was very
07:14 --> 07:16 [UNKNOWN]: You can't ignore Juliet, it's not that.
07:16 --> 07:24 [UNKNOWN]: I met it responded to Juliet, but if any harm comes to Shrokshig, I riot.
07:25 --> 07:27 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it seems like they're not going out now.
07:27 --> 07:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
07:29 --> 07:34 [UNKNOWN]: We do find out there's a lovely little finiat in the middle of the episode where
07:40 --> 07:46 [UNKNOWN]: The intensity with which Shane McCray delivers that is like sucking my soul through the screen.
07:47 --> 08:06 [UNKNOWN]: Like Remy Milner and Shane McCray, do that as seen beautifully and yeah, I just, I would quite like the show to end with Knox being Mayor, I think he'd be good at it, but like a proper mayor of a free silo, not with all this pack nonsense.
08:09 --> 08:15 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, for my side, um, I'll say, so we're recording this before the episode comes out.
08:15 --> 08:30 [UNKNOWN]: So we don't know what the rating, the audience rating of this will be, but I noted that last week's episode episode five, uh, has an 8.7 on IMDB, which makes it the highest rated episode that's not a finale of the show today.
08:31 --> 08:49 [UNKNOWN]: Now that being said, I actually liked this episode more personally, and I think it's because the last episode, I understand why people like it because it ties together all the pieces, but I guess in my mind, I'd already tied together those pieces, so it's just kind of like a lot of confirmation, like mm-hmm.
08:50 --> 08:57 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and this one is teasing new things like they are really going full noir in terms of the complexity of the plot.
08:57 --> 09:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, wait, how many side plots do we have going now?
09:00 --> 09:02 [UNKNOWN]: And how many of them are going to intersect?
09:02 --> 09:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I enjoy that a lot, so.
09:03 --> 09:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I really hope they know what they're doing into.
09:07 --> 09:07 [UNKNOWN]: Of course.
09:08 --> 09:09 [UNKNOWN]: Of course they do.
09:09 --> 09:12 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, and they've already finished all of the season four scripts.
09:12 --> 09:13 [UNKNOWN]: So the whole story is done.
09:14 --> 09:17 [UNKNOWN]: They were able to do seasons three and four right them side by side.
09:17 --> 09:18 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
09:20 --> 09:20 [UNKNOWN]: Shall we get into it though?
09:21 --> 09:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's.
09:22 --> 09:28 [UNKNOWN]: All right, your regularly scheduled breakdown will begin in three, two, one.
09:30 --> 09:37 [UNKNOWN]: So as usual, we will be going plot by plot rather than team by team because they're all woven together, starting with the marriage gap.
09:37 --> 09:42 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to start with silo 18 this time and then do the before times, starting with the marriage gap.
09:43 --> 09:55 [UNKNOWN]: picking up right where episode five left off Camille Sims Alexandria Riley takes the chair lift down across the gap to meet her husband Robert Common who tells her that Juliette, quote unquote, got away.
09:56 --> 10:06 [UNKNOWN]: Camille knows this is bullshit and she sends him home to spend time with their son despite his protests that he can help and she even tells Emerson Florian Claire to have
10:12 --> 10:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, yeah, who are you kidding Kibil?
10:15 --> 10:18 [UNKNOWN]: Because you're not kidding us, and I don't think you're kidding yourself.
10:19 --> 10:31 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, how well shot was that opening with Kibil in the little chair left, and everybody in the, the, the people we're trying to compare in the gap in the stairs.
10:32 --> 10:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, shout out to the cinematography this episode.
10:36 --> 10:41 [UNKNOWN]: It seems like, yeah, this sort of swooping shot that really made use of the full set.
10:41 --> 10:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this full silo set that they had I I wonder if it's still up to be honest.
10:46 --> 10:47 [UNKNOWN]: I hope they didn't strike it.
10:47 --> 10:50 [UNKNOWN]: They should just like make it a place people can pay to visit
10:50 --> 10:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it would be a great place to do escape rooms.
10:53 --> 10:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, true, that, too.
10:54 --> 10:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
10:55 --> 10:57 [UNKNOWN]: Although, I guess they're safety concerns, but yeah.
10:57 --> 11:01 [UNKNOWN]: I'll have it safe enough to film in, anyway.
11:02 --> 11:12 [UNKNOWN]: But so Emerson Soon checks in from the janitor's closet surveillance room to tell Camille that the address she's looking for is Martha Walker's workshop on level 144.
11:12 --> 11:13 [UNKNOWN]: But Teddy, Oletoon J.O.F.
11:14 --> 11:18 [UNKNOWN]: is on watch and sees them coming and alert the others.
11:18 --> 11:40 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I mean, just Camille and Robert, we're obviously going to talk more about them in later scenes that go deeper, but just like this opening, she's like he's like, I could like she got away and Camille's basically like she isn't say this, but she's like, you realize you know better than everyone that there are cameras watching all this stairs.
11:45 --> 12:01 [UNKNOWN]: the camera sort of swings round and you see Robert Sims standing there and like is there was there a second there where you thought Robert was thinking I'm going over the rail here I'm going over the rail here oh no no I don't know I don't know
12:03 --> 12:07 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's worrying start to worrying episode for the couple.
12:07 --> 12:15 [UNKNOWN]: And so I don't know after this, I mean, we'll talk more, but like, do you think these two crazy kids are ever gonna get back on the same page?
12:16 --> 12:20 [UNKNOWN]: They've got a long way, they've got a long way to go at this point.
12:20 --> 12:27 [UNKNOWN]: And I think they're gonna be driven for the reparts before they get back together.
12:28 --> 12:31 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't sound like,
12:33 --> 12:38 [UNKNOWN]: The thing is, they were very, it was very much in season 1 and 2, it was very much them against the world.
12:39 --> 12:51 [UNKNOWN]: You know, you never got the sense that they, either of them had many friends or even acquaintances outside of work and they never really needed anybody else, but themselves.
12:52 --> 12:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I think what both of them are
12:56 --> 13:21 [UNKNOWN]: kind of struggling with the bet is who are they outside of outside of that marriage who are they outside of that couple because I don't think either of them has had to deal with that question for a very long time yeah you wonder how long they've been together I guess we don't really know my head cannon is they met at school they have that kind of very long term couple energy to them
13:21 --> 13:30 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they both, so we know Robert joined judicial at AG team because of that booklet and we know Camille used to be a raider as well.
13:30 --> 13:33 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess my assumption is they met there.
13:34 --> 13:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or possibly they went into the same career.
13:37 --> 13:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
13:37 --> 13:38 [UNKNOWN]: Together.
13:38 --> 13:44 [UNKNOWN]: I just have that then they have that we met at school kind of energy to them for me.
13:44 --> 13:44 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
13:45 --> 13:45 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
13:46 --> 13:48 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, well, we'll keep checking in on them.
13:48 --> 13:52 [UNKNOWN]: But first, let's, we're going to be workshopping some Bernard and Seek.
13:52 --> 14:07 [UNKNOWN]: Um, Shirley, Remi-Milner, and Knox, Shamic Ray, helped burnt up Bernard Tim Robbins, move into his new temporary hiding spot Walker's workshop, where Martha herself, Harriet Walter, Lucas, Alvinash, and Patrick Kennedy, Rick Gomez, await.
14:08 --> 14:11 [UNKNOWN]: The latter two very surprised to see him.
14:11 --> 14:20 [UNKNOWN]: Juliette, Rebecca Ferguson, rushes in to tell them that she remembered on her way upstairs what she learned from Jimmy about the safeguard.
14:20 --> 14:27 [UNKNOWN]: And Lucas remembers those strange lines on the schematic of the silo they found in that red level relic hard drive.
14:27 --> 14:36 [UNKNOWN]: And Bernard tells him the line leading into IT and level 19 is an external power source as demonstrated when mechanical temporarily turned off the lights in the silo last season.
14:37 --> 14:55 [UNKNOWN]: So that means the line leading into judicial on level 14 must be the pipe there looking for the pipe Jimmy's parents capped to temporarily prevent the safeguard from taking effect in cellus 17 and and I'll just say that that matches what We because I still remember I didn't take the forget drug.
14:55 --> 14:58 [UNKNOWN]: I remember that that is what Jimmy told Julia last season.
14:59 --> 14:59 [UNKNOWN]: So
15:00 --> 15:12 [UNKNOWN]: But Juliet is struggling to remember the details of the blueprints Jimmy showed her, and Lucas points out that any blueprints they might have would be on that hard drive, which is of course back in IT now controlled by meal.
15:13 --> 15:19 [UNKNOWN]: So their best hope for more answers is to find a way to get in touch with Jimmy, but Juliet says she doesn't think they have any radios.
15:20 --> 15:27 [UNKNOWN]: Just then Teddy Burcin to warn them that Camille and the Raiders are coming, they're going to have to move Bernard again.
15:28 --> 15:29 [UNKNOWN]: which they don't actually do to be honest.
15:30 --> 15:36 [UNKNOWN]: We won't get on it in the next scene, but I think Julia just is like, I'll go outside and distract them instead.
15:38 --> 15:41 [UNKNOWN]: Where do they going to take them out of that?
15:41 --> 15:42 [UNKNOWN]: But Luke, you were right.
15:42 --> 15:46 [UNKNOWN]: They took them to Martha's in the first place, so that's where they were going.
15:46 --> 15:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess I got a small number of into that point for that.
15:52 --> 16:14 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I have to give a compliment to Avina's for Lucas, you know, he plays Lucas for his portrayal of like the complex surprise at seeing Bernard again, who is his old boss slash truth teacher slash tormentor and you just see like the blinking back of emotions and the complexity of his feelings like I don't know.
16:14 --> 16:18 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think he's happy to see him a sad to see him?
16:22 --> 16:36 [UNKNOWN]: I think from Lucas's point of view, Bernard put him through hell, but he also gave him the greatest gift anybody could give Lucas, which is access to the vaults access, the legacy.
16:36 --> 16:48 [UNKNOWN]: The legacy, and this treasure trove of knowledge and culture, and just a world that can test
16:48 --> 17:05 [UNKNOWN]: all of the theories and ideas because came up with so yeah but I'd put him through a lot but he also gave him the greatest gift anybody could give somebody like Luke because so yeah I am absolutely with you and I've been ash place I've seen beautifully I've been ash
17:06 --> 17:11 [UNKNOWN]: He's a very sort of, everything does as an actor is very small scale, that's a little twitch.
17:12 --> 17:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's subtle.
17:13 --> 17:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's subtle because that's usually because it seems good and controlling his emotions.
17:21 --> 17:24 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, it was really well played.
17:24 --> 17:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
17:26 --> 17:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe almost tear up, too.
17:27 --> 17:30 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, God, just the shock of it, I'm sure.
17:30 --> 17:33 [UNKNOWN]: You know, Patrick, of course, had a more Patrick response.
17:33 --> 17:35 [UNKNOWN]: Anybody else coming back from the dead?
17:35 --> 17:38 [UNKNOWN]: Then this is where you said there's two holes and references.
17:38 --> 17:43 [UNKNOWN]: The old sheriff, maybe his wife, was like, Luke, I thought of you, my heart broke from you.
17:43 --> 17:44 [UNKNOWN]: Fuck you, Patrick.
17:45 --> 17:47 [UNKNOWN]: Fuck you, I'm a horse-roader, honey.
17:47 --> 17:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's funny, Patrick.
17:49 --> 17:52 [UNKNOWN]: Not funny.
17:53 --> 18:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so and then they also said by the way, the Teddy who I just said was doing look out for them, he saw the move Bernard so he's also in on that part of the secret for keeping track of who knows things it's like basically all the characters we care about know things now.
18:10 --> 18:21 [UNKNOWN]: And I also will touch on this more and in another scene later, but there's some interesting anti-flirting going on between Bernard and Martha this episode.
18:21 --> 18:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's weird, it's weird, isn't it?
18:21 --> 18:22 [UNKNOWN]: Isn't there a small part of you that's happy to see me?
18:22 --> 18:25 [UNKNOWN]: And then later, she says, Carla said, if I liked men and you liked people, we'd make a great couple.
18:25 --> 18:35 [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
18:36 --> 18:39 [UNKNOWN]: But do you think of this evolving relationship?
18:39 --> 18:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's obviously not going to become romantic, thankfully, but yeah, now it's, and this is the thing again, like, walk, you know, Bernard put Walker and Carla through a lot of that season.
18:54 --> 18:57 [UNKNOWN]: But Martha is such a basically decent human being.
18:58 --> 18:59 [UNKNOWN]: And let's face it.
19:00 --> 19:02 [UNKNOWN]: They do still need Bernard.
19:06 --> 19:24 [UNKNOWN]: You know, Bernard still knows a lot more than everybody else in this little Scooby-Gang, so, but yeah, and who's this nice bit of actually, by the way, there's something I wanted to bring up here, which is Tim Robbins performance, but obviously he's doing the entire episode with his very crokey boat.
19:25 --> 19:33 [UNKNOWN]: voice and like that was being incredibly difficult to do consistently without like wrecking your own throat.
19:33 --> 19:37 [UNKNOWN]: So I want you to see where is he wearing some kind of prosthesis?
19:37 --> 19:40 [UNKNOWN]: I think he's just looking at dentures as a link.
19:40 --> 19:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think he's just doing that.
19:42 --> 19:43 [UNKNOWN]: He's just, yeah.
19:43 --> 19:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's my hope he got lots of like brakes and honey and tea and stuff.
19:48 --> 19:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
19:49 --> 19:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
19:50 --> 20:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think we as far as him and Martha just the fact that he's he's humbled a lot and he's also I think I think for him the moment Lucas told him about the safeguard and it's like the one to punch first Lucas told him about the safeguard and that just like
20:07 --> 20:09 [UNKNOWN]: deflated everything out of him.
20:09 --> 20:11 [UNKNOWN]: He's like all the horrible things I've done.
20:11 --> 20:15 [UNKNOWN]: What is even the points of any of it if they can just kill us if they want?
20:15 --> 20:24 [UNKNOWN]: And then combined with running into Juliet and her reflating him with hope again when she said, I might know a way to do something about that.
20:26 --> 20:49 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that that just really humbled him, and we have seen in the last two episodes, since he's been back, that he does seem full of contrition, you know, like we were talking about in that booklet, that we did talk about in the bonus episode, that he, that Sims was like, he was pressing on his wounds a little bit out of anger, and he was like, but I think Bernard wanted
20:50 --> 20:52 [UNKNOWN]: one of the pain, one of the punishments.
20:52 --> 20:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
20:53 --> 20:55 [UNKNOWN]: And we saw that also with Knox and Shirley.
20:55 --> 20:57 [UNKNOWN]: He was like, if you drop me, I understand.
20:57 --> 20:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
20:57 --> 21:06 [UNKNOWN]: He said, I mean, yeah, like, it's just partly played for you, but I do think it's, it's, but not scurging himself.
21:06 --> 21:21 [UNKNOWN]: as well, to some extent, because all of the stuff he did that was in the... And we probably only know about a very small amount of all the dodgy stuff but not dead out with decades of being head of IT or shadow to the head of IT.
21:22 --> 21:27 [UNKNOWN]: And he's always been able to convince himself that it was for the great a good of the silent.
21:28 --> 21:38 [UNKNOWN]: You know, like he said last week, you know, he's always worried about some maniac trying to open the lid, but actually that's not what he should have been worried about at all.
21:38 --> 21:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
21:40 --> 21:42 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I think you're right.
21:42 --> 21:44 [UNKNOWN]: I think Bernard thinks he deserves this.
21:45 --> 21:46 [UNKNOWN]: to some extent.
21:46 --> 21:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think as well, part of it is just playing for a little bit of a comment relief for the audience as well.
21:52 --> 22:04 [UNKNOWN]: Tim Robbins is very good at delivering dead-pilot lines, but yeah, I do think there is a sense of like banana feeling that he has to atone somehow.
22:05 --> 22:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
22:08 --> 22:11 [UNKNOWN]: And Lucas, we find out why he went into the mines.
22:11 --> 22:13 [UNKNOWN]: It wasn't just a hide.
22:13 --> 22:21 [UNKNOWN]: It was, he was looking to figure out what those two lines on the schematic were, and Patrick again.
22:21 --> 22:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, you're an idiot.
22:23 --> 22:25 [UNKNOWN]: They're not going to put some killer pipe where people dig all day.
22:25 --> 22:30 [UNKNOWN]: But Lucas says he almost made it to the IT line when the mines were gasped.
22:30 --> 22:34 [UNKNOWN]: And we find out that the IT line is, as Bernard said, electricity,
22:37 --> 22:42 [UNKNOWN]: But it's like Patrick, either be helpful or just shut up.
22:42 --> 22:47 [UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, you know, it's helpful to me as a viewer that he makes you laugh.
22:47 --> 22:50 [UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, you're not, you're not doing it.
22:50 --> 22:52 [UNKNOWN]: You're in the part of the solution of your problem.
22:52 --> 22:54 [UNKNOWN]: Quit being part of the problem.
22:54 --> 23:02 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I did not blame Martha when she says later, like I had just said, like poor Lucas is trapped in some single with him somewhere.
23:03 --> 23:05 [UNKNOWN]: He made famous to Rick Gomez.
23:06 --> 23:08 [UNKNOWN]: He plays up noxious very well.
23:08 --> 23:12 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, Patrick is like, I think he's become, he's not in the box.
23:12 --> 23:16 [UNKNOWN]: And I think he's become a fan favorite and definitely a personal favorite of mine.
23:17 --> 23:19 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, stop being an instigated that trick.
23:19 --> 23:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
23:23 --> 23:28 [UNKNOWN]: But would you, would you surprise or did you expect that the IT electricity was coming from silent one?
23:30 --> 23:31 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, no, you mean.
23:32 --> 23:37 [UNKNOWN]: It wasn't something I'd thought about, but when Benaud said it, yeah, that makes absolutely sense.
23:38 --> 23:38 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
23:39 --> 23:50 [UNKNOWN]: So, can we, do we think that that means that Sala warn is considerably bigger, like physically bigger than the other Sala's?
23:50 --> 23:55 [UNKNOWN]: Because it's generating electricity for presumably for, for itself.
23:55 --> 23:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for itself and for 50 IT departments, yeah.
23:58 --> 23:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
24:01 --> 24:05 [UNKNOWN]: So, like, it's got to have a lot more generating capacity, presumably.
24:06 --> 24:09 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe it has a different kind of generator.
24:09 --> 24:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to say too much.
24:10 --> 24:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
24:11 --> 24:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how much it'll be like the book, but yeah.
24:14 --> 24:15 [UNKNOWN]: We can move on then.
24:15 --> 24:17 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe you're asking, yeah, you're asking good questions.
24:18 --> 24:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
24:18 --> 24:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
24:19 --> 24:40 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I know about the book, though, something I do feel comfortable saying is, is a difference is one thing is we know that, um, Julia didn't come back and have memory loss in the book that's been openly discussed, um, that's a different storyline that's transported to this part of the timeline for adaptation reasons, uh, but one of the big changes from
24:45 --> 24:52 [UNKNOWN]: they were using radios and radios have been used differently in the show and I'm being careful about this.
24:52 --> 24:56 [UNKNOWN]: This is something this was the special topic of last week's boiler cast.
24:57 --> 25:06 [UNKNOWN]: But it's yeah, so Julie yet and Jimmy she left Jimmy with a radio so they could just call in the book and now
25:07 --> 25:09 [UNKNOWN]: it's more complicated than that in the show.
25:10 --> 25:10 [UNKNOWN]: Of course it is.
25:11 --> 25:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I had to add more complication than that.
25:14 --> 25:14 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
25:14 --> 25:15 [UNKNOWN]: Make it harder.
25:15 --> 25:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I think there's other reasons too, which I'm scurting around, that we'll talk about the show.
25:20 --> 25:20 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
25:20 --> 25:21 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
25:21 --> 25:22 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take a quick break.
25:22 --> 25:26 [UNKNOWN]: And when we come back, we're going to talk about Julia's request for the voice.
25:28 --> 25:33 [UNKNOWN]: When Camille makes it to Martha's workshop, she finds Juliet waiting for her outside.
25:34 --> 25:39 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet asks for a private conversation away from the camera, telling her she remembers everything.
25:40 --> 25:42 [UNKNOWN]: She knows about the voice and to stop playing games.
25:43 --> 25:47 [UNKNOWN]: The refuge hut was bullshit, Juliet went into another silo, and it's not dead.
25:47 --> 25:51 [UNKNOWN]: There are kids in it, and Juliet promised she would go back for them.
25:51 --> 25:55 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet wants to request permission to do so from the voice directly.
25:55 --> 26:00 [UNKNOWN]: Camille's not so keen on this idea, but the key fob to the vault begins buzzing.
26:00 --> 26:03 [UNKNOWN]: The voice wants Camille to report in.
26:03 --> 26:06 [UNKNOWN]: So Juliet joins Camille in the vault.
26:06 --> 26:12 [UNKNOWN]: She tells the voice that she wants to send people out to save the kids in silo-17 and bring them back.
26:13 --> 26:18 [UNKNOWN]: and Juliet agrees with the algorithm that it shouldn't be her as a silo would react badly to that.
26:19 --> 26:23 [UNKNOWN]: And we find out also maybe she's just doesn't want to repeat the crawling over the body's experience.
26:24 --> 26:34 [UNKNOWN]: But when the voice also forbids bringing anyone from a different silo back into 18, Juliet says she and the kids will all take the forgetting drug if she's allowed to do this.
26:35 --> 26:52 [UNKNOWN]: So, Jules picks Shirley and Knox to lead the field trip as two expert engineers, she trusts, and Shirley wants to do it, though Knox wants to send Teddy in her place, because Shirley wants to continue to keep it a secret that she is pregnant with Knox's child.
26:52 --> 26:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god!
26:54 --> 26:55 [UNKNOWN]: This is gonna be a Sherlock's baby.
26:56 --> 26:58 [UNKNOWN]: the algorithm or I hope there is.
26:59 --> 27:13 [UNKNOWN]: The algorithm obviously doesn't like Shirley and Knox as a choice saying their absence as mechanical slash generator experts increases the risk to the silo as a whole by 34% and Camille didn't like it either for similar reasons.
27:13 --> 27:21 [UNKNOWN]: So Juliet chooses Lucas and Patrick instead and the voice agrees to this telling Juliet to get them to prepare to leave it
27:22 --> 27:28 [UNKNOWN]: But after Juliet leaves the vault, the voice tells Camille that it has no intention of allowing the pair to reach their destination.
27:29 --> 27:35 [UNKNOWN]: This is just a convenient way of getting rid of two people that algorithm has long recommended taking off the board.
27:36 --> 27:37 [UNKNOWN]: That's in this storyline.
27:37 --> 27:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, like I said at the top, I am surprised that the algorithm chooses to engage with Julia.
27:50 --> 27:53 [UNKNOWN]: It probably felt it didn't have a choice.
27:53 --> 27:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, particularly at this point.
27:56 --> 27:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
27:57 --> 28:02 [UNKNOWN]: I do like thumb all back and forth, thinking me and Jimmy, you just talk to it.
28:02 --> 28:03 [UNKNOWN]: You just talked to him.
28:03 --> 28:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's uncertain.
28:05 --> 28:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because Jimmy, I did get something that I'm what I would do.
28:08 --> 28:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
28:08 --> 28:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought that was, I thought that was really cool.
28:12 --> 28:14 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean,
28:15 --> 28:19 [UNKNOWN]: I think actually the algorithm makes a good point about Shirley and Knox.
28:20 --> 28:21 [UNKNOWN]: You can't really send them bugs.
28:22 --> 28:33 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, obviously Julia does want to get the kids, but she also wants to get Jimmy and the same God related intelligence, but I thought it was interesting.
28:33 --> 28:37 [UNKNOWN]: The same God didn't pick up on your heart rate as increased.
28:38 --> 28:40 [UNKNOWN]: or any idiot to sort of like.
28:40 --> 28:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
28:40 --> 28:51 [UNKNOWN]: So, isn't the Julia as partially telling the truth, and therefore that makes it a best of why, or is Julia just a best of why, then then Camilla's.
28:52 --> 28:58 [UNKNOWN]: And in which case, by the algorithm's own logic, Julia would make a better head of our team.
28:58 --> 28:59 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, Camille.
29:00 --> 29:06 [UNKNOWN]: Jay, Julia, would make a pretty good head of IT, although she wouldn't do the things that they algorithm.
29:06 --> 29:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is the thing she's not a flyer, but she does morally playable with Camille.
29:12 --> 29:17 [UNKNOWN]: But it is like the case, if someone takes, what do you call it, the light detector test, the polygraph?
29:17 --> 29:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
29:18 --> 29:23 [UNKNOWN]: Um, it is the case that as long as you believe what you're saying, it won't pick it up as a lie.
29:24 --> 29:31 [UNKNOWN]: And Juliet, she's not saying the part about like actually, there's another with the kids is an adult man named Jimmy.
29:31 --> 29:34 [UNKNOWN]: I want to ask questions about shutting down the safeguards that you can't hurt us.
29:35 --> 29:36 [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't say that part.
29:36 --> 29:37 [UNKNOWN]: She just, that's a lie of omission.
29:38 --> 29:41 [UNKNOWN]: But everything she does say is absolutely true.
29:41 --> 29:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so the really are kids in the other silo she really did want to come back for them.
29:47 --> 30:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of a half truth where she says silo 17 is flooding and they're going to die and it's like, well Julia does know she taught Jimmy how to keep draining and she saw him do a practice dive to test the air tightness of her make shift suit to go back outside.
30:02 --> 30:07 [UNKNOWN]: So she probably doesn't think the death is so imminent, but she did promise to go back.
30:07 --> 30:07 [UNKNOWN]: That part's true.
30:08 --> 30:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so I love 17 is not in a good way, you know, it's overgrown.
30:12 --> 30:15 [UNKNOWN]: There's only a small number of people left in there.
30:15 --> 30:21 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, it's probably not somewhere where the Jimmy and the kids want to stay long-term.
30:22 --> 30:26 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm sure she's worried about their long-term, you know, prospects.
30:26 --> 30:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
30:26 --> 30:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
30:27 --> 30:27 [UNKNOWN]: In general.
30:29 --> 30:37 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and she also says something like, I don't think Camille buys into this, but she says, you know, people treat me like a living founder.
30:37 --> 30:39 [UNKNOWN]: If I jump off the stair, they'll follow.
30:40 --> 30:43 [UNKNOWN]: Want to see what else they're willing to do for me, which two things.
30:43 --> 30:57 [UNKNOWN]: First of all, it again brings up that religious idea that we talked about more last week, where, you know, people are holding Juliet and the founders and religious reverence, but also I don't think Camille, I think Camille knows Juliet well enough that
30:59 --> 31:06 [UNKNOWN]: believe that Juliet would actually do something that would harm other citizens of the silo, even if it was to turn them into an army on her behalf.
31:07 --> 31:14 [UNKNOWN]: Like she didn't want them to become an army on her behalf when she went out to clean, you know, that's why she was so desperate to get back.
31:14 --> 31:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
31:15 --> 31:17 [UNKNOWN]: But can we all probably think it's not worth the risk, I suppose?
31:21 --> 31:26 [UNKNOWN]: Woody, okay, when Camille's key fob buzzed, and Juliet's like, oh, are you sure there's no cameras here?
31:26 --> 31:40 [UNKNOWN]: Would you think, like, did the key was the voice calling Camille because it could see and hear their conversation from some camera that even Camille doesn't know about?
31:40 --> 31:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm more.
31:41 --> 31:44 [UNKNOWN]: Was it because they went off camera?
31:45 --> 31:45 [UNKNOWN]: And it didn't like that.
31:46 --> 31:50 [UNKNOWN]: No, I am strongly of the opinion that it's the first one.
31:50 --> 31:57 [UNKNOWN]: I think there are a fair number of cameras that only the voice has access to.
32:00 --> 32:08 [UNKNOWN]: I think the silo and the silo is and are even more surveilled than Camille and Sims Rillows.
32:10 --> 32:19 [UNKNOWN]: Could be, although, it doesn't, it seems like definitely the voice lacks information, like the whereabouts of Patrick Kennedy and Lucas.
32:20 --> 32:21 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
32:22 --> 32:27 [UNKNOWN]: So Martha later asks Julia out of the voice as a person or a machine, and Julia says, I don't know.
32:27 --> 32:28 [UNKNOWN]: What are your thoughts?
32:30 --> 32:33 [UNKNOWN]: That is such a good piece of foreshadowing, because I don't know.
32:34 --> 32:47 [UNKNOWN]: Camille has a conversation with the voice later on in the episode where the voice shows a degree of empathy that we haven't seen before.
32:48 --> 33:00 [UNKNOWN]: Now maybe that's just sophisticated AI and maybe that's just a minute, you know, anything Camille to do what the voice needed did, but that's the most human I've ever heard
33:02 --> 33:10 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, well, we'll talk about it specifically which you're talking about in a bit, but I will say that I call it therapy speak.
33:10 --> 33:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
33:11 --> 33:20 [UNKNOWN]: And even if it's a human doesn't mean that it's not following a script, I just like a computer program could be following a script, so I would say that that could still go either way.
33:20 --> 33:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
33:21 --> 33:26 [UNKNOWN]: But to be honest, I'm 50, 50 on this when I keep going back and forth.
33:27 --> 33:30 [UNKNOWN]: whether it's a complex AI or whether it's actually a puzzle.
33:31 --> 33:32 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
33:32 --> 33:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we have enough information to say clearly one way or the other, but it's certainly a good question.
33:38 --> 33:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, if it's a person, it's not to use a doon term a mentat, so at least they are using complex AI to perform calculations, like testing canmails a breath for cortisol or calculating the probabilities of
33:52 --> 33:57 [UNKNOWN]: You know bad things happening if a or b or c happened like how many senses are there in that room?
33:59 --> 34:00 [UNKNOWN]: Good question good question
34:03 --> 34:20 [UNKNOWN]: And as far as the choice of who to go outside, Julie at points out to Martha later, whoever we send has to be able to wait through thousands of corpses to get in, and not to mention to guide the kids calmly back out through that afterwards.
34:20 --> 34:27 [UNKNOWN]: And first of all, in what suits, maybe Jimmy's had time to recover more suits if they've
34:31 --> 34:34 [UNKNOWN]: Are you going to get multiple people from one side load to the other?
34:34 --> 34:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so basically she's laying out that people need a certain temperament, a certain calmness and steadiness and bravery to deal with that literal horror show that's waiting for them outside silo 17.
34:52 --> 34:56 [UNKNOWN]: And this is where she says, if I had the choice, I don't think I could do that,
35:01 --> 35:02 [UNKNOWN]: voluntarily doing it again.
35:04 --> 35:09 [UNKNOWN]: But she also points out they've got to be strong physically because she really had to like, you know, wedge her way in there.
35:10 --> 35:11 [UNKNOWN]: They've to be strong physically and emotionally.
35:12 --> 35:17 [UNKNOWN]: And but they also have to be smart enough to figure out the whole puzzle of the pipe and the situation.
35:17 --> 35:23 [UNKNOWN]: So on the smart enough part, I do think Lucas and Kennedy are the right choices.
35:23 --> 35:24 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think they're the right choices for the other stuff?
35:26 --> 35:28 [UNKNOWN]: You mean you mean not surely.
35:29 --> 35:32 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, ultimately, it's Lucas and Kennedy.
35:32 --> 35:36 [UNKNOWN]: So, like, Bernard says they need to be engineers the best you have.
35:36 --> 35:38 [UNKNOWN]: And this is also why she chooses Knox and Shirley.
35:38 --> 35:41 [UNKNOWN]: But ultimately, the choice is Lucas and Kennedy.
35:41 --> 35:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I do think, and it's not that I think Knox and Shirley aren't smart.
35:46 --> 35:50 [UNKNOWN]: I just think that Lucas and Kennedy are defined by their intelligence more.
35:51 --> 35:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I will see next episode, but I'm not sure anybody's going out.
35:56 --> 35:57 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, fair.
35:58 --> 36:12 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, I mean, I do love the bit with like Martha and Julia and, um, but not to talk to us and, um, Martha and Julia come to the same realisation of the same instance as to who it's got to be.
36:12 --> 36:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's got to be, yeah, yeah.
36:14 --> 36:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, to be honest though,
36:19 --> 36:24 [UNKNOWN]: It's better sending Lucas out, make sense from the y'all from the voices point of view.
36:25 --> 36:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure it makes sense from Julia's point of view, because like Lucas isn't Bernard, Lucas knows more than anybody else.
36:34 --> 36:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but that's in terms, that's why I'm saying in terms of the puzzle part of the equation.
36:39 --> 36:45 [UNKNOWN]: I can't beat a best choice, because he knows so much and because he has a puzzle brain like that.
36:46 --> 36:47 [UNKNOWN]: I guess, yeah.
36:47 --> 36:51 [UNKNOWN]: Kennedy for all his smart mouth is also shown himself to be a very clever guy.
36:51 --> 36:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
36:54 --> 37:01 [UNKNOWN]: And probably has enough backbone to like make a lot of commentary about the sea of corpses, but he'll wade through it.
37:01 --> 37:06 [UNKNOWN]: I would question about whether either of them are physically robust enough to actually make the trip.
37:07 --> 37:19 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, I think they can make the, when it comes to like, praying and open, I, yeah, it's not, they're not as physically strong as Juliet, knocks or surely, yeah, maybe Patrick.
37:19 --> 37:19 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
37:20 --> 37:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to underestimate other of them.
37:22 --> 37:22 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
37:22 --> 37:24 [UNKNOWN]: The Lucas might have a wirey strike.
37:24 --> 37:34 [UNKNOWN]: But no, but certainly like the people who work in mechanical do physical things every day versus empathetic was in maintenance that requires some physicality.
37:34 --> 37:35 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe not quite as much.
37:36 --> 37:37 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas from IT though.
37:37 --> 37:40 [UNKNOWN]: I guess he worked his muscles in the minds of it.
37:41 --> 37:41 [UNKNOWN]: I guess.
37:42 --> 37:42 [UNKNOWN]: I guess.
37:43 --> 37:50 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, internet points to everyone who said this car on Shirley's hip might be related to birth control.
37:50 --> 37:53 [UNKNOWN]: So, here's the question, did she take it out herself?
37:54 --> 37:57 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's, let's, let's be real here.
37:57 --> 38:01 [UNKNOWN]: Um, not sincerely, on not in the sanctioned relationship.
38:01 --> 38:03 [UNKNOWN]: So, I assume that must have been what happened.
38:05 --> 38:08 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I mean, they could be a sanction relationship.
38:08 --> 38:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think anyone doesn't know they're together.
38:10 --> 38:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm gonna say it.
38:11 --> 38:12 [UNKNOWN]: They're not subtle.
38:12 --> 38:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're not subtle.
38:14 --> 38:16 [UNKNOWN]: They might think they are, but they're not.
38:18 --> 38:22 [UNKNOWN]: But also, I'm going to give you some internet points, Luke, because I think... Oh, I...
38:22 --> 38:23 [UNKNOWN]: I deserve.
38:23 --> 38:25 [UNKNOWN]: That was entirely go into that.
38:25 --> 38:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you were predicting, unknowingly, when you said last week that Knox would make a good father.
38:31 --> 38:32 [UNKNOWN]: I did like a Leo pointing meme.
38:32 --> 38:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's right.
38:33 --> 38:34 [UNKNOWN]: They were actually pregnant.
38:34 --> 38:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, well...
38:37 --> 38:45 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I can see from Shirley's perspective, like I see not from Knox's perspective, like I don't want you to go out there and lose both you and this baby.
38:45 --> 38:51 [UNKNOWN]: And but from Shirley's perspective, she's like, let's be honest, who can do it better than the two of us together?
38:51 --> 39:01 [UNKNOWN]: And she's worried now about the entire silo getting killed before her kids even born, and that's pretty strong motivation to make sure it's done right.
39:02 --> 39:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if this is an unsunged, um, pregnancy,
39:07 --> 39:09 [UNKNOWN]: done outside of the luster ready.
39:10 --> 39:12 [UNKNOWN]: What will happen to the baby once it's born?
39:12 --> 39:19 [UNKNOWN]: Well, not some Shirley being able to raise it, or what must be some kind of punishment.
39:19 --> 39:21 [UNKNOWN]: That there are paris.
39:21 --> 39:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:21 --> 39:28 [UNKNOWN]: So there's a character in the book called Mission, who I keep mentioning because it's from this part of the story.
39:28 --> 39:32 [UNKNOWN]: It's from the 140 years ago, Rebellion part of the story in the book.
39:32 --> 39:38 [UNKNOWN]: We're not getting that, but that's, we're getting those storylines, you know, we've seen them pulled up to the present timeline.
39:39 --> 39:41 [UNKNOWN]: But mission was such a child.
39:41 --> 39:44 [UNKNOWN]: And mission was allowed to live.
39:44 --> 39:50 [UNKNOWN]: But kind of with like a, you know, staying on his name because of it.
39:50 --> 39:56 [UNKNOWN]: Like the, the IT guy with his name is Mr. Wick in that part of the timeline in the book.
39:56 --> 39:57 [UNKNOWN]: And I call him Wick the Dick.
39:58 --> 40:03 [UNKNOWN]: And he would call mission a zero because he wasn't supposed to be alive.
40:04 --> 40:10 [UNKNOWN]: Missions mother was sent out once it was found out that she was pregnant and refused to get rid of it.
40:12 --> 40:15 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay, so she was sent out to clean.
40:15 --> 40:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Hopefully that part of the pact has been rewritten by I'm going to assume at this point that they are sanctioned though and so maybe the doctor took it out
40:27 --> 40:37 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but then like we saw if they want, well, maybe, okay, here's the thing also, so we saw the other, are they not kind of too curious and rebellious to be sanctioned?
40:37 --> 40:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, okay, but here's another thing, so we saw in the Holston Allison thing about winning the birth lottery, but now we know that they lost a bunch of people in the rebellion, so the birth lottery is going to be a little more loosey goosey, but yeah, you bring up the good point about them being too rebellious.
40:55 --> 41:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, maybe the lottery is going to have to be a bit more loosey goosey now, but yeah, still seems, sorry, Sims, knocks and chilling, that would have been an interesting couple, yeah, knocks and surely would not be, would not be your first choice if you're looking for those I'll be
41:24 --> 41:28 [UNKNOWN]: If Sims and Shirley got together, would they punch each other?
41:28 --> 41:33 [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, that would be, that would be some great hate sex, that would be.
41:34 --> 41:38 [UNKNOWN]: Although, Knox, we've seen his temper flair more than once.
41:38 --> 41:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, in this episode, yeah, and even, yeah, but speaking of temper's not flairing, it really seemed like the voice slash algorithm was considering slash calculating Julia's proposals, you know, and she's like, I'm not working against a silo and not working against you.
41:57 --> 41:57 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a threat.
41:58 --> 42:04 [UNKNOWN]: which again, half true because she is working against the safeguard, but she does want to save the silo.
42:04 --> 42:16 [UNKNOWN]: But it's really, it seemed to like, like I just picture, you know, like the window's wheel spinning, you know, thinking, like, like, like, like, like, like, not sure how to interpret that.
42:17 --> 42:19 [UNKNOWN]: It's the officer themselves.
42:22 --> 42:36 [UNKNOWN]: I did love Kameel says later in the episode to Julia, Julia, it's like the voice gave me permission to pick people and and Kameel's like that's nice, but until it grows a pair of arms and learns how to walk, I'm the one who opens the door.
42:36 --> 42:41 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that was a very interesting line because about also
42:52 --> 43:19 [UNKNOWN]: in some ways like with the vitamin D plus I mean we'll talk about what possible motivation she might have but it does seem like in in in in that regard she starts to see the point of it and you know this is why she's she's like right let's pull the trigger but then also on the other hands I I feel like there's a lot that happens this episode that makes Camille start to question the voice the question yeah it's own evidence at least
43:20 --> 43:30 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm sort of, I'm sort of worrying, I'm sort of wondering why the Camille did actually go through with putting the victim in the plus in the water supply.
43:30 --> 43:34 [UNKNOWN]: It's just that line about the end until it grows arms and legs.
43:34 --> 43:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, the algorithm, the voice can insist on how the much it wants, but people have actually got to do this.
43:43 --> 43:44 [UNKNOWN]: Um, all right.
43:44 --> 44:00 [UNKNOWN]: So just to set up that part, um, so it's just, yeah, the all the plot points that we're going to talk about in the rest of this section might become moot because the final conversation uh, in of the episode between Camille and the voice.
44:00 --> 44:05 [UNKNOWN]: She informs the voice that she began the release of the vitamin D plus memory drug in the
44:11 --> 44:23 [UNKNOWN]: This guy, Asa, who, by the way, played by Ross Armstrong, the bummer from season two that she booted from his apartment to stash knocks in Shirley there while they were on the run from Bernard's murder framing games.
44:24 --> 44:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:25 --> 44:26 [UNKNOWN]: So that was the same guy, another callback.
44:28 --> 44:31 [UNKNOWN]: And so she tells him, it seems like she's like pulled him up in the middle of the night.
44:31 --> 44:32 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, do I have a choice?
44:32 --> 44:33 [UNKNOWN]: She's like not really.
44:33 --> 44:37 [UNKNOWN]: And she tells him to disable the Asmosis filtration.
44:37 --> 44:39 [UNKNOWN]: And it seemed to me like,
44:41 --> 44:50 [UNKNOWN]: That was confirming that she was going through with it because she did hand it off to someone else and tell him to turn off the water filtration.
44:50 --> 44:52 [UNKNOWN]: So I do believe that she did it.
44:53 --> 44:53 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
44:54 --> 45:00 [UNKNOWN]: And so if that's the case, the vitamin D plus there's been water for two hours.
45:01 --> 45:04 [UNKNOWN]: How long do we think before we start having effect?
45:05 --> 45:26 [UNKNOWN]: low and slow so we gradual it'll be gradual yeah yeah and and i do think she also did it because it was more urgent with Julia's memories back and and you know um she's already been quote unquote infecting everyone around her but i do wonder if she is other motivations so yeah yeah all right but um
45:27 --> 45:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Camille also, she is not trusting Juliet at all.
45:31 --> 45:35 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, I think you're making a play, which she's not really wrong, of course.
45:35 --> 45:44 [UNKNOWN]: But the thing is the thing that Juliet wants to do to stop the safeguard would also help Camille, would save her some, would save all of them.
45:46 --> 46:03 [UNKNOWN]: And so part of me, like, if Camille and Julia could just trust each other more, then they might find their more on the same page and they realize, but Julia is also right when she says to Camille, you lied to me for months, like, you mean you don't trust me.
46:03 --> 46:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that's absolutely fair.
46:09 --> 46:12 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder like Julia thinks she'll go back to being mayor after all this.
46:12 --> 46:12 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
46:13 --> 46:13 [UNKNOWN]: We'll say.
46:13 --> 46:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
46:15 --> 46:20 [UNKNOWN]: But on the other hand, like Camille, I still am not writing her off as evil.
46:20 --> 46:32 [UNKNOWN]: I think she, we know she cares about her kid, but I think there is, yeah, Alexandria Riley is another one who's doing like great facial expression work in this show.
46:32 --> 46:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a really good facial acting.
46:35 --> 46:40 [UNKNOWN]: and just in the conflicts, the internal conflicts that this character is going through.
46:40 --> 46:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I feel like she must have some empathy for the fact that there are kids over there who are alone.
46:48 --> 46:50 [UNKNOWN]: And I wonder if the algorithm senses that as well.
46:50 --> 46:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
46:53 --> 47:09 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think was going on when Camille walks into the vault at one point, and she calls out to the algorithm, and she's like, hello, are you there, and she's like, just comes in walking, expecting immediate response, like, yeah, the algorithm, so I instinct.
47:10 --> 47:15 [UNKNOWN]: Which makes me think that maybe it's a person, because it didn't respond the straight way.
47:15 --> 47:17 [UNKNOWN]: And when it did respond, it was annoying.
47:17 --> 47:18 [UNKNOWN]: It was annoying.
47:18 --> 47:19 [UNKNOWN]: It's a mistake.
47:19 --> 47:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
47:20 --> 47:42 [UNKNOWN]: yeah and she's like she's after more than the children if they even aren't children like okay first part you're actually correct second part the children are real okay okay yeah they're real there's a baby but yeah i just i thought it was very interesting but like i the the algorithm was annoyed oh that's right that the voice was annoyed
47:43 --> 47:45 [UNKNOWN]: And you meant to understand that the voice was annoyed.
47:45 --> 47:49 [UNKNOWN]: This wasn't something that you could read into it.
47:50 --> 47:51 [UNKNOWN]: Or you could read it either way.
47:51 --> 47:56 [UNKNOWN]: It was clear in its intonation that it was annoyed.
47:57 --> 48:01 [UNKNOWN]: So that made me think it might be a person or people.
48:02 --> 48:15 [UNKNOWN]: And Camille's having doubts because she's like with the whole thing, if there are any children, she's like, you don't even know, do you, but to be fair, if the silo's dead and all the cameras are out there, then how would it know?
48:16 --> 48:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
48:17 --> 48:24 [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's also just, it's like, kind of figuring out that the wizard of Oz is just a man behind a curtain situation.
48:24 --> 48:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
48:24 --> 48:25 [UNKNOWN]: I mean.
48:25 --> 48:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
48:26 --> 48:27 [UNKNOWN]: I don't dislike the old man.
48:27 --> 48:28 [UNKNOWN]: You're not God.
48:28 --> 48:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
48:30 --> 48:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're not really, yeah, you're basically here for an argument and I'm not going to do it.
48:37 --> 48:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but then there's, yeah, so there's there's that, but um, but then there's also like the voice says that it doesn't matter whether or not there's kids there and that's like let's be honest whether whoever's behind it, whatever's behind it, whether it's cold feeling technology or even more chillingly if it is human.
49:00 --> 49:07 [UNKNOWN]: The fact of the matter is, a choice was made by the algorithm to kill silo 17, presumably.
49:08 --> 49:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, they activated the safe go.
49:10 --> 49:16 [UNKNOWN]: Children and all, so why should it care about the children there now?
49:16 --> 49:17 [UNKNOWN]: Good point.
49:20 --> 49:33 [UNKNOWN]: Um, small note, I noticed when Camille came in at one point that they showed her with a code that ends in not two zero three eight like I thought it was, but two three nine, so like is that a new code?
49:34 --> 49:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do they change it with every head to my team?
49:37 --> 49:40 [UNKNOWN]: I have no, because we saw her enter the other code before.
49:40 --> 49:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
49:42 --> 49:43 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
49:46 --> 49:52 [UNKNOWN]: And but I can imagine that they don't want like Robert to just be able to walk in since he knows the code.
49:53 --> 49:54 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
49:56 --> 50:04 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was funny both Camille and then later the voice when they find out like that Juliet knows about Kennedy and Lucas.
50:04 --> 50:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, you know where they are.
50:05 --> 50:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not totally.
50:08 --> 50:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and of course this is why Juliet knows they'll agree to sending them.
50:15 --> 50:21 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say, yeah, I think Julie, I think she suspects that she can't trust the voice she must, right?
50:22 --> 50:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
50:24 --> 50:27 [UNKNOWN]: I will say that this whole field trip thing.
50:27 --> 50:32 [UNKNOWN]: There's something similar, but also very, very different that happens in the books.
50:33 --> 50:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's related to the hopes of, like, finding the kids and Jimmy, basically.
50:39 --> 50:45 [UNKNOWN]: In that case, Juliet appointed a character named Courtney, who doesn't exist in the show.
50:45 --> 50:50 [UNKNOWN]: She's been folded into Shirley for the show to lead this situation to try to get the kids.
50:50 --> 50:59 [UNKNOWN]: So I was not surprised that she wanted to appoint Shirley here, but then when it switched to Kennedy and Lucas instead, I was like, no!
50:59 --> 51:02 [UNKNOWN]: But those are my two favorites.
51:02 --> 51:05 [UNKNOWN]: And of course the algorithm is looking for reason to kill them.
51:07 --> 51:10 [UNKNOWN]: Julia must anticipate that the algorithm wants them dead.
51:11 --> 51:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I would think so.
51:12 --> 51:18 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if she's, I don't know, has any tricksy plans to prevent that interference?
51:19 --> 51:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and if so, how?
51:21 --> 51:21 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
51:22 --> 51:32 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we know like she's got supply on her side, Martha can hook her up with, and whatever couldn't tape she wants or make sure the suits properly made blah, blah, blah, blah.
51:33 --> 51:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Bernard can double check it too.
51:36 --> 51:47 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe they planned to send them with a radio, I would guess, or, you know, make sure that they can monitor what's happening with them rather than IT monitoring it because they do also have
51:48 --> 51:54 [UNKNOWN]: at least one hacker on their side, and well, if you count Lucas, but I was thinking of Danny but I also.
51:55 --> 51:56 [UNKNOWN]: And Bernard, yeah, three.
51:56 --> 52:01 [UNKNOWN]: So they've actually got some of the best hacking talent in the silo on their side.
52:02 --> 52:03 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
52:03 --> 52:07 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just wondering, like, I'm presuming she's got plans within plans.
52:08 --> 52:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
52:09 --> 52:10 [UNKNOWN]: I would think so.
52:10 --> 52:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I will say that the book version of these events will be of the, the, you know, field trip will be the topic of this week's spoiler cast deep dive, which does link to another episode we did recently in the spoiler cast.
52:25 --> 52:32 [UNKNOWN]: I won't say which episode here, but I'll say we kind of glossed over that we mentioned it, but glossed over it.
52:32 --> 52:37 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll talk about that in more detail, but also talk about what jewels was up to at that time and why she didn't.
52:38 --> 52:39 [UNKNOWN]: do the field trip herself.
52:41 --> 52:42 [UNKNOWN]: The final question for this section.
52:43 --> 52:44 [UNKNOWN]: Where's Narsamee?
52:45 --> 52:46 [UNKNOWN]: Where's Deputy Jerry?
52:47 --> 52:49 [UNKNOWN]: Where they locked up after helping Juliette?
52:50 --> 52:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that's a very good question.
52:53 --> 52:56 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, Narsamee certainly.
52:57 --> 52:57 [UNKNOWN]: I don't.
52:58 --> 53:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that me very might get away with, I'm just a dumb, that me see, and she tripling.
53:07 --> 53:10 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, no, I'm sorry, but he's not getting away with that.
53:10 --> 53:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, her her story was like, she was there when I left her.
53:14 --> 53:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
53:18 --> 53:20 [UNKNOWN]: I went to the bathroom.
53:20 --> 53:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
53:23 --> 53:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I hope they turn up soon, and we find out what happened to them.
53:28 --> 53:36 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, let's take a quick break here when we come back, we're going to check in on what's been going on meanwhile at Martha's workshop in elsewhere.
53:39 --> 53:51 [UNKNOWN]: So meanwhile, in Martha's workshop, apparently having decided the distraction of Jules was enough to protect Bernard and leave him in that workshop, yet not wanting to move the badly injured man again.
53:51 --> 54:03 [UNKNOWN]: The rest have left Bernard to rest, although Jules stops by to update Martha on our conversation with the voice, but then left alone Martha and Bernard find surprising enjoyment in each other's company.
54:04 --> 54:09 [UNKNOWN]: So this is where we find out Lucas and Kennedy were moved down the hall, which I need to know.
54:09 --> 54:16 [UNKNOWN]: I need to check in on that conversation.
54:16 --> 54:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I, as I said before, I'm glad they made it clear.
54:19 --> 54:20 [UNKNOWN]: This isn't going to become a romance.
54:21 --> 54:26 [UNKNOWN]: But I, yeah, it's interesting that they're, they're forming an allied bond.
54:28 --> 54:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's, it's funny that so Bernard has this like,
54:32 --> 54:41 [UNKNOWN]: tape in his pocket that's unfolded into a heart, which he says he knows is a good luck charm and apparently counts as a relic.
54:41 --> 54:43 [UNKNOWN]: You think someone had it in their pocket when they came in?
54:44 --> 54:45 [UNKNOWN]: They said they found it in a pillowcase.
54:46 --> 54:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so why is it a relic?
54:48 --> 54:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, somebody doesn't have it in their pocket when they came in, I guess.
54:52 --> 54:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, because it's it's just tape, right?
54:55 --> 54:56 [UNKNOWN]: Anyone could do it.
54:56 --> 54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just tape.
55:00 --> 55:25 [UNKNOWN]: So since the episodes already come out as I've, as I'm editing this, I can say that on the discord there's been some chatter calling this Relic A candy wrapper of sorts, and that makes a lot of sense to me, both in how it looks, but also in that it would make it, presumably they don't have that sort of mylar wrapping or whatever, so that would make it more of something unusual.
55:25 --> 55:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, just putting not thought out there, back to it.
55:31 --> 55:46 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah, I don't know, I like the seeing this relationship, I think it's it's just it's interesting that a Martha has the right personality that maybe Bernard needs right now because she's giving him some tough love.
55:46 --> 55:56 [UNKNOWN]: And I think it both helps him keep up his humor, but also it's it's his moment where he kind of wants to be humbled in a switch his guilt for all the
56:02 --> 56:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
56:03 --> 56:07 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder, I wonder when it'll start to talk about jigsmanos.
56:09 --> 56:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because that is probably, that is probably, it's the worst thing we've seen him do.
56:14 --> 56:20 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's going to say, it's the worst thing he's done, but I'll change that to the worst thing we've seen him do.
56:20 --> 56:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, it's surely a knock, did bring it up last week.
56:23 --> 56:24 [UNKNOWN]: They did.
56:24 --> 56:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
56:26 --> 56:36 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, Martha says now, basically, like anyone who's on Julia's side is on my side, but she does admit that, you know, letting go over anger toward him is an easy, but it's, it's a hope punk show.
56:36 --> 56:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's about radical forgiveness.
56:40 --> 56:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not saying she has, but when you forgive someone, it's not like a one step, you know, you blink in its over situation.
56:49 --> 56:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
56:50 --> 56:53 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about Bernard's story?
56:53 --> 56:55 [UNKNOWN]: He says, even as a boy, they wanted me dead.
56:55 --> 56:56 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a joke.
56:57 --> 56:59 [UNKNOWN]: I was too smart and too quiet.
56:59 --> 57:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, who wanted you dead?
57:01 --> 57:02 [UNKNOWN]: Your parents?
57:02 --> 57:03 [UNKNOWN]: Who wanted you dead?
57:03 --> 57:04 [UNKNOWN]: The algorithm?
57:04 --> 57:05 [UNKNOWN]: How would you know that?
57:05 --> 57:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
57:05 --> 57:06 [UNKNOWN]: And that later?
57:06 --> 57:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I took that to be the algorithm and he found out like so.
57:14 --> 57:14 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
57:15 --> 57:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yikes.
57:16 --> 57:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, but I mean, so he, like, if you're too smart, you have to become the head of IT or die.
57:25 --> 57:33 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the head of the head of IT or one of the judicial writers, oh, I don't know that they want them to be smart.
57:33 --> 57:34 [UNKNOWN]: I think they want them to follow orders.
57:34 --> 57:36 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm sorry, not the judicial right is the people in the broom closet.
57:36 --> 57:51 [UNKNOWN]: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
57:51 --> 58:04 [UNKNOWN]: Well speaking of learning things, there's also some trouble at school, Robert Sims waits at home for his wife for the look of frustration painted across his face, his son Anthony Oscar Coleman looks contrite.
58:04 --> 58:14 [UNKNOWN]: Robert tells Camille that Anthony was sent home for stealing 12 credits from his teacher's desk, and if it happens again, he'll be expelled and sent to work in supply.
58:15 --> 58:26 [UNKNOWN]: this break breaks open the tension between the pair and Camille tells her husband to stop everything he's been doing as he rightfully accuses her of watching him.
58:27 --> 58:28 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you think of this scene?
58:28 --> 58:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
58:30 --> 58:31 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think it was frustration.
58:31 --> 58:36 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was a mixture of frustration and anger.
58:36 --> 58:36 [UNKNOWN]: That was on.
58:37 --> 58:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
58:38 --> 58:39 [UNKNOWN]: That was on a slice.
58:40 --> 58:41 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I think frustration is.
58:44 --> 58:50 [UNKNOWN]: I thought this conversation with Robert and Camille was really interesting.
58:50 --> 58:53 [UNKNOWN]: Also, I thought it was interesting.
58:53 --> 59:10 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder whether this was an idol threat, because, you know, this is the judge in this head of IT, but I wonder whether further kids these parents were in that position, whether this would be an idol threat actually.
59:11 --> 59:35 [UNKNOWN]: yeah but yeah he he points that out and she's like that's your solution and he's like that's not what I said no of course not I have to read between the lines always and then she accuses him of avoiding the problem and he says he I'm the one who dealt with talking to everyone about it and he says if you feel guilt it's not my fault and she says are we still talking
59:38 --> 59:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just like, oh dear, yeah, clear communication, clear communication people, but also in this case they can't be clear communication because she'd have to like send him out to clean I guess.
59:51 --> 01:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, can I ask, okay, so I saw, I can't remember if his on blue sky or threads, but someone I thought British was like another reason I can never move to the US is the pronunciation of Anthony.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:07 [UNKNOWN]: How else might it be?
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the age of silence, untimely.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I see, I think you're French or something.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm calling you, you think you're French.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: All right, all right, Anthony, because there's a TH in it.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: There's a TH.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:24 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's also, it's funny.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:31 [UNKNOWN]: I always think of the Eddie Isard thing about the pronunciation of herbs versus herbs because there's a fucking A-China.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:41 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, apparently supplies the punishment now too.
01:00:41 --> 01:01:00 [UNKNOWN]: So what do we think like what's the what's the hierarchy of punishments outside the worst then mines and trash and trash well then recycling then No, not recycling but yeah picking up the stuff and the trash you yeah yeah and then and then supply okay
01:01:01 --> 01:01:02 [UNKNOWN]: All right, it's interesting, yeah.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:12 [UNKNOWN]: That Orilla, oh, sorry, Glenda, we're still moving up the punishment supply chain by moving from mines to supply chain.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:28 [UNKNOWN]: Anthony claims that he didn't steal these credits, apparently another kid said he did and Anthony blames it on someone else and it's not clear whether he's blaming it on the person who blamed him or on a third kid.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:32 [UNKNOWN]: I would do you think do we believe him like why would he do this?
01:01:32 --> 01:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: Why would someone blame or frame him if he didn't?
01:01:35 --> 01:01:37 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, I took this is a
01:01:42 --> 01:01:48 [UNKNOWN]: both of his parents are like extremely distracted, and the moment.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:59 [UNKNOWN]: And like particularly Robert Sims used to be between this, between the two extremes of like, are paying a lot of attention to Anthony, and then no attention.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:21 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I just took it that yes, he did steal the credits, and this is kind of a cry for help and attention because this kid has been through some real stuff at the moment, and yeah, he probably needs a bit You know, he probably needs some therapy to be honest.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:26 [UNKNOWN]: I did wonder, I mean, he seemed insistent it wasn't him.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:29 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess I trusted the kid a little more than you did.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:36 [UNKNOWN]: But then I wonder like this storyline in general, is it a way of cracking open the tension between the Sims?
01:02:37 --> 01:02:45 [UNKNOWN]: And as you say an expression of Anthony's reaction to that tension, or will it come back somehow and tie into any of the larger plots in any way?
01:02:47 --> 01:02:49 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, no, I think he's just a framing device
01:02:53 --> 01:03:08 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and the other thing that I want to, you know, I said that I thought maybe Camille had other reasons for people wanting to forget things, maybe she just rather than pulling rank, she's like the teachers will just forget the teachers will realize they want to expel him if they don't know.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:12 [UNKNOWN]: But there is like real.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:18 [UNKNOWN]: worry, there's, you know, real genuine worry coming through.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:22 [UNKNOWN]: And this also reminds me of something that you kind of predicted last week.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:24 [UNKNOWN]: So I'll give you some more partial internet.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm going to post with that point.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: It's adding up to whole internet points.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but basically, he's like, you think I can't spot a tail, you know, when she's like stopped doing what you're doing is like, you think you can't spot a tail and she's like, you're making me a freight rob, or whatever you're hiding when I find out what it is, I'm going to have to do something about it, which yeah, you said that the the voice might tell her to take out her husband, yeah, no.
01:03:53 --> 01:04:09 [UNKNOWN]: And then this after this is when you mentioned the voice accuses Camille of picking an argument about Julia's plan to get the kids, but obviously she's upset about this and she goes off in this rant about family like about all the pressures on her and but also
01:04:10 --> 01:04:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, about like, but I have a family, I'm a wife, and I'm a mother, and then I just it made me wonder, does the algorithm have any best practices about not appointing people with family's first reason?
01:04:22 --> 01:04:25 [UNKNOWN]: Because we know Bernard didn't have a family.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:28 [UNKNOWN]: We know Meadows didn't have a family.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:33 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas didn't when he was appointed, but obviously Camille was a desperate choice and desperate
01:04:39 --> 01:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: the algorithm wouldn't much rather have somebody like Benad who not just doesn't have a family but doesn't really have any close friends either you know doesn't doesn't really have any deep human relationships or he didn't have a relationship with me those but that was about it as far but that was that presumably after he became yes because then she became a shadow yeah
01:05:06 --> 01:05:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this is when we get the therapist speak thing where like the voice is like you're emotionally exhausted and need to find a moment to reflect and but acknowledging your negative feelings has started the process your breathing has started to normalize and you were chosen so yeah all of this I wonder if it's following some therapist script whether that's like you know
01:05:29 --> 01:05:33 [UNKNOWN]: words on paper or, you know, a programming script?
01:05:33 --> 01:05:42 [UNKNOWN]: I wondered whether the algorithm might have been modeled after Victor.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:45 [UNKNOWN]: Good question.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:46 [UNKNOWN]: We know.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's got to be a reason.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: He's in this.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:55 [UNKNOWN]: And we he's at the, yeah, we'll get to it when we get to, I mean, we're not going to talk about Victor specifically today.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: So he might as well talk about him now.
01:05:56 --> 01:06:04 [UNKNOWN]: But obviously he works at the stents in clinic where we have also seen Henry, but that does, we've seen Henry literally everywhere.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:14 [UNKNOWN]: But obviously dealing with the memory drugs that are being used in the silo now.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:24 [UNKNOWN]: So I think it's fair to make links between Victor and the psychological aspects we see in the pact in the order.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because it's possible.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's not certainly, but it's possible that the algorithms original programming was modeled after an individual.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: Although, yeah, considering we know that the AI expert is going to be this Colin Hanks character, Stenson, who, by the way, is new to the show, but I'm wondering who he's, I think, okay, so I'll say one thing about this, the book to show adaptation is that the book was written, I don't remember when the second book came out, but let's say like 2011 something like that,
01:07:03 --> 01:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: So technology has updated and I think that that affects how it's being portrayed on screen and where there's more emphasis on AI
01:07:15 --> 01:07:15 [UNKNOWN]: on screen.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:21 [UNKNOWN]: But I think, like, for example, I don't think the words AI were used in the book.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:28 [UNKNOWN]: But as I said, Abby and I did talk about the fact that they are, like, there is constant calculations and things happening.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:34 [UNKNOWN]: So, and so this new pair of stents and characters, I think is a reflection of that.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:37 [UNKNOWN]: And I think maybe a changing of a different character,
01:07:43 --> 01:07:51 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I'll say I wonder with the AI of it all, how much pair stentson is attached to this and then the stents in clinic and Victor work anyway.
01:07:51 --> 01:07:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:52 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:54 [UNKNOWN]: One would presume an until vision show.
01:07:54 --> 01:07:56 [UNKNOWN]: It's all connected in some way.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:10 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but what's interesting is we see an inconsistency with things that the voice has said now, where, and there could be several reasons for this, and I want to see what you think it is.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:16 [UNKNOWN]: We heard the voice tell Camille in the past that she was chosen for being a manipulative liar.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:22 [UNKNOWN]: Now we hear the voice telling Camille that she was chosen for her capability,
01:08:25 --> 01:08:28 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't think those shootings necessarily contradictory.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:36 [UNKNOWN]: Because she kind of asked if it was for her capability and the voice at that time said, Yeah.
01:08:37 --> 01:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's because your lil' lil' pants on fire.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:45 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, like it depends how you want to look at, you want to frame capability, I suppose.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, the algorithm is definitely trying to come for her in that moment.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:51 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:52 [UNKNOWN]: No question.
01:08:53 --> 01:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: But it's like you say, is that genuine?
01:08:58 --> 01:09:07 [UNKNOWN]: is that from a place of genuine empathy or is it from a place of how am I going to get this this meat sack with arms legs to do what I want to do?
01:09:08 --> 01:09:09 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:11 [UNKNOWN]: So it could be manipulative.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, let's get on to what I assume might have been a highlight for you.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:23 [UNKNOWN]: You have a gathering of some of your personal favorites.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: We have buddy cop rebunding on another level, Sheriff Paul Billings, Chunazoo-J and deputy Hank Murphy, Billy Possibleite, reconnect.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:33 [UNKNOWN]: Billings tells Hank what he's learned.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:35 [UNKNOWN]: That's from critical supply.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:38 [UNKNOWN]: Mean that there are only two years of daylight bulbs remaining.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:48 [UNKNOWN]: They agree that the light bulb theft in murder of Orla Kent seem connected and that finding the answers to one will likely lead to answers for the other.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:59 [UNKNOWN]: So they pay a visit to Mark Chambers, George Robinson, head of Toolfabrication, and Mark insists he knows nothing about the thefts, giving extra attitude to Sheriff Billings.
01:10:00 --> 01:10:07 [UNKNOWN]: But Deputy Hank, for whom Mark clearly has a bit more respect, urges him to take the seriousness of the situation to heart.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:16 [UNKNOWN]: Billings offers to help him find the identity of the two raiders who killed Mark's best friend during the rebellion if he'll tell them what he knows.
01:10:17 --> 01:10:17 [UNKNOWN]: So he does.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:29 [UNKNOWN]: He says the weapon he made was for Knox, and if they want to find a thief, they should look into Knox's father who used to steal diamond drill bits from supply, though he seems to be out of the game now.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:39 [UNKNOWN]: Now I'll just say as far as the diamond drill bits, my father was worked in construction, so I learned at a very young age that they are not
01:10:42 --> 01:10:57 [UNKNOWN]: They are at just basically like you take the scraps, the diamond dust and scraps, and coat them on the drill bits, because diamond is, it's often called the hardest substance on earth.
01:10:57 --> 01:11:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's technically, it's the hardest common substance on earth, relatively common substance on earth.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:07 [UNKNOWN]: But in terms of jewelry, I'm like, you could bedazzle any old piece of metal, like a circular effect.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:15 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but I guess standards are low in the silo.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:19 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, you could make it pretty, but I'm just saying you could make it pretty for cheaper.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, without without it being done without it being done.
01:11:21 --> 01:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, being actual diamond drill bits.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:33 [UNKNOWN]: But I guess these drill bits would be in critical supply because it's not like they're getting diamond dust out of the minds here.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:35 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's does a good point.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:50 [UNKNOWN]: So was, was Knox's dad already stealing from critical supply back then, and would, okay, we'll put a pin in that one, but about Snarky Marky, who is peak Snarky this time.
01:11:50 --> 01:11:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was.
01:11:51 --> 01:12:00 [UNKNOWN]: Peak Snark, although he was also looking rougher in the way that Billings did after sleeping on the couch and Carl is off his, like, like, he hasn't been sleeping well.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:15 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if this, I mean, he looks, he looked worse to me than he did a few episodes ago on my song, like he... Yeah, that's true, but he is also, like, he mentioned he's also grieving as well.
01:12:16 --> 01:12:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:20 [UNKNOWN]: For our friend who was killed in the rebellion, so yeah, maybe that explains it.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we found out that his friend, I looked up the name and we didn't, we hadn't, there's no connection yet to a Lee Tolgensen, Tolgensen, who was thrown over for using a weapon which Billings Point South was presumably made by Mark, like Billings, I mean, both of them were being awful to each other.
01:12:45 --> 01:12:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, they were.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:46 [UNKNOWN]: They were.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:48 [UNKNOWN]: He unleashed on Billings.
01:12:48 --> 01:12:50 [UNKNOWN]: He said, this is the other Holster message.
01:12:50 --> 01:12:51 [UNKNOWN]: You're not a sheriff.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:52 [UNKNOWN]: You're an accident.
01:12:52 --> 01:12:54 [UNKNOWN]: You caught the job by default.
01:12:54 --> 01:12:59 [UNKNOWN]: Now you're standing here wearing Holstins, hammy downs, and they're one size too big.
01:12:59 --> 01:13:00 [UNKNOWN]: Like, damn damn.
01:13:01 --> 01:13:07 [UNKNOWN]: But also, yeah, all you wearing Holstins and time rebounds, because how many sheriff's uniforms are there?
01:13:08 --> 01:13:09 [UNKNOWN]: true.
01:13:09 --> 01:13:12 [UNKNOWN]: They probably adjust them, but yeah.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:16 [UNKNOWN]: And then he says, you want to arrest someone, arrest your wife.
01:13:16 --> 01:13:21 [UNKNOWN]: You think people don't know about her in the outsiders, trying to get us all killed.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:34 [UNKNOWN]: But damn, and like Hank is poor Hank is just like put in the middle of a bunch of angry men this episode, and he's like not cool Mark is far too far.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Hank, Hank is very much playing the piece, right?
01:13:37 --> 01:13:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's been, oh, oh, broken to the Atari.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but Mark, no, he's he just he's given all of his fucks away with his friend like he threw his fucks in his friend's grave and said apple although presumably his friend was put in the incinerator.
01:13:52 --> 01:13:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, he never had, he never had a loss of fucks to give in the first place.
01:13:57 --> 01:13:59 [UNKNOWN]: He was never richly in doubt with fucks.
01:13:59 --> 01:14:00 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's true.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:06 [UNKNOWN]: They were taken from him in a very young age, I'll say, but he does make a good point here.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not good optics, it's true, it's not, I do wonder from billing side.
01:14:21 --> 01:14:39 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how is he going to feel about turning over the names of two raiders that he knows it's for likely retribution, even if they are batons, like Billings does Billings think they did the wrong thing even given the fact they were reacting to a rebel with a weapon.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: But also now, his wife is a rebel, so does that change his perspective?
01:14:52 --> 01:14:58 [UNKNOWN]: But I mean also, you know, Billings is out of focus to give this episode as well.
01:14:58 --> 01:14:59 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, absolutely.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, so yeah, I'm not sure it's a be honest.
01:15:04 --> 01:15:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, part of me is like, I hope one of the raiders was that head raider Johnny, we saw last time who told Knox, he should have burned with the gunpowder and then like Mark can drink our sim instead.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:31 [UNKNOWN]: or the other ones I thought of were the two judicial goons you remember from last season when Lucas went to Judge Meadows apartment and these two judicial goons named Tyler and Jesse were absolute asses to him.
01:15:32 --> 01:15:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they could well be those two.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:35 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:15:36 --> 01:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: I did find it funny, the billings just like, in terms of not having fucks.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:48 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he did urge the secrecy, but he immediately, he's like, Hank, my old friend, let me just tell you the biggest secret I learned two seconds ago.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:50 [UNKNOWN]: But I guess he trusts them.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:52 [UNKNOWN]: Were you happy to see your boys back together?
01:15:52 --> 01:15:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was, it was nice to see a good chunk of billings and down the, that busy hank.
01:15:59 --> 01:15:59 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm glad they're not dragging out the reveals, you know?
01:16:02 --> 01:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:07 [UNKNOWN]: 10 episodes feels like a lot these days in a season, but it's still not that much.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not that much.
01:16:09 --> 01:16:26 [UNKNOWN]: What do we think about the fact that Mark, again, this is sort of a parallel with Anthony, but Mark says, Mark says he doesn't steal things, but his criminal record, which we went through in detail on episode three of this season, says that he did steal things.
01:16:27 --> 01:16:49 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we went through quickly that he was arrested right shortly after his father's death for petty theft of mechanical supplies six months later for suspicion of it and then released and then another like year later yearna few months later for possession of contraband machine parts, which he did trash.
01:16:50 --> 01:17:13 [UNKNOWN]: Do these for six months for and then finally another year after that for possession and assembly of contraband machine parts and what's sent to the minds do these things not count as stealing or is this just like I assume that he was motivated by being orphaned recently was just desperate, but could have been framed or others are extenuating circumstances
01:17:13 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it, I just took it
01:17:44 --> 01:17:50 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, knowing this background of him, it's very clear why he has a distrust of authority figures.
01:17:50 --> 01:17:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:17:51 --> 01:17:54 [UNKNOWN]: And it is remarkable that he still seems to respect Hank.
01:17:54 --> 01:17:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that also seems to respect Haulston as well, which is interesting.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:00 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, and now.
01:18:00 --> 01:18:10 [UNKNOWN]: And what we know, we learned in season two episode two that when we first met Mark, we learned that Knox's dad helped him get out of somewhere and not which we now know as the minds.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:11 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:18:12 --> 01:18:17 [UNKNOWN]: So it is something that he said, like talk to him, the guy who helped me get out of the minds.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like the police on them.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:28 [UNKNOWN]: But I suppose it's also, yeah, I was the temptation of of getting the names of the people who killed his friend, but also a trust of Hank, I would have to pose.
01:18:29 --> 01:18:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:30 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:44 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so we've also got some, we've, this leads into some daddy issues where Billings and Hank, pay a visit to Knox, who's with Shirley at the construction site.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:48 [UNKNOWN]: And Knox is not extremely keen to talk about his father with,
01:18:49 --> 01:18:50 [UNKNOWN]: other worries on his mind.
01:18:51 --> 01:19:04 [UNKNOWN]: Billings ignores Knox' warnings that this is not a good moment, and in an increasingly heated exchange, Billings accuses Knox of trying to protect his father, unaware that Knox hasn't spoken to the man in years.
01:19:04 --> 01:19:19 [UNKNOWN]: When Hank tells Knox their questions are related to a murder, the murder of former shadow to the head of supply or a locent, Knox decides after a heart to heart was surely to go seeking his father where he last knew him to be the mines.
01:19:20 --> 01:19:23 [UNKNOWN]: He was going to question the man himself, only when he gets there.
01:19:24 --> 01:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: Head of the mines at Harwood, Ned Denney, informs him that Papa Knox died years ago.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:36 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, again poor Hank always put in the middle of this stuff.
01:19:36 --> 01:19:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I wrote here.
01:19:40 --> 01:19:41 [UNKNOWN]: I wrote, I was being snarky, Alicia.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:52 [UNKNOWN]: I said poor hanks of using tempers as whole episode in parentheses, like he should have defused the bomb instead of letting pop a nickel steak his own life.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:54 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, that's for you, Abby.
01:19:57 --> 01:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but we can see Hank knows Knox.
01:19:59 --> 01:20:02 [UNKNOWN]: He's like just leave it trust me just now, you know.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:08 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think he knows at least part of the story that that Knox tells Shirley?
01:20:08 --> 01:20:20 [UNKNOWN]: Probably because we don't really know, Knox is, I mean, sorry, Hank's background entirely, but considering he's a down deep deputy chances are he comes from down there.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:21 --> 01:20:23 [UNKNOWN]: They knew each other, presumably.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just got the sense that I Hank knows at least some of what Nox says like Iran.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:30 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:20:31 --> 01:20:31 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
01:20:31 --> 01:20:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:32 --> 01:20:34 [UNKNOWN]: And so, what does Nox say about his dad?
01:20:35 --> 01:20:35 [UNKNOWN]: Ah.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, basically, that he was a career petty criminal and really sort of enjoyed.
01:20:45 --> 01:21:05 [UNKNOWN]: their criminal life and was sent to the mines on multiple occasions and that's so he had to be raised by a single mother they didn't have a lot of money talks about wanting one of those freedom day lanterns I see putting the notes you heard the Shirley buys him one if there is another
01:21:10 --> 01:21:19 [UNKNOWN]: And that, but actually, that wasn't the worst part, but the worst part of it was when he returned from the lines and he got into fights with noxers.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:27 [UNKNOWN]: Mom, I did wonder whether that meant that the relationship between noxers father and his mother was going to be so far.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:30 [UNKNOWN]: At least emotionally, so yeah.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:37 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, the knocks and his dad had never reconciled.
01:21:38 --> 01:21:42 [UNKNOWN]: Other knocks didn't have any particular interest in reconciling with him.
01:21:44 --> 01:21:49 [UNKNOWN]: So, here's the thing, sorry, and Shirley's a really good listener.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she is.
01:21:50 --> 01:21:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're a good couple.
01:21:52 --> 01:21:53 [UNKNOWN]: Help those crazy kids to make it.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: Like I said, knocks has already dead in the book.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:57 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
01:21:58 --> 01:21:59 [UNKNOWN]: So he's Shirley's book husband mark.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:12 [UNKNOWN]: But okay, the detail, a detail that was slipped in here that stuck out to me was, so he said, yeah, his dad kept getting sent to the minds because of all of his trouble and trading stolen goods and all that.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:17 [UNKNOWN]: And he says he just loved that life more than us and meaning the criminal life.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:22 [UNKNOWN]: But he said, he's dad was supposedly a great engineer.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's an interesting detail.
01:22:25 --> 01:22:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:22:27 --> 01:22:28 [UNKNOWN]: That's more.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, great engineer.
01:22:33 --> 01:22:35 [UNKNOWN]: What a great engineer dying the minds.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:37 [UNKNOWN]: I get the same thing.
01:22:38 --> 01:22:42 [UNKNOWN]: So first of all, of course, Ed Hardward was a maximum dick about it.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:44 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I want to talk to my dad.
01:22:44 --> 01:22:45 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, bring a shovel.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:46 [UNKNOWN]: He died two years ago.
01:22:46 --> 01:22:47 [UNKNOWN]: Like, Jesus.
01:22:48 --> 01:22:54 [UNKNOWN]: First of all, that nobody would even tell Knox that his dad died or anyone else because Mark clearly didn't know either.
01:22:55 --> 01:22:55 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm like,
01:22:57 --> 01:23:08 [UNKNOWN]: And are we sure he's dead or am I putting on my clown makeup again and pulling another orla where I'm like, no, she's breathing and then no.
01:23:10 --> 01:23:15 [UNKNOWN]: I think you might well be alive like why bring this up if he's just dead.
01:23:16 --> 01:23:22 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I don't say like I don't trust that hardwood as far as I could throw a shove on them.
01:23:23 --> 01:23:28 [UNKNOWN]: So, no, I think not Xenia is somewhere in the mines.
01:23:29 --> 01:23:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, why would, it's, is Harwood indeed, is there actually something with the minds and this whole theft situation?
01:23:39 --> 01:23:45 [UNKNOWN]: Because, you know, it feels like it's, we know three bars missing, which is something they use on the top of the minds.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:51 [UNKNOWN]: But we do know Orla was killed before she went into the minds, before she was brought into the minds her body.
01:23:51 --> 01:23:55 [UNKNOWN]: So then I thought like maybe they're trying to frame someone by leaving her body there.
01:23:56 --> 01:23:59 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, or what would he be up to?
01:23:59 --> 01:24:00 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:24:01 --> 01:24:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then when would whatever he's up to, would he involve light bulbs and have so?
01:24:08 --> 01:24:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Earth could it be?
01:24:10 --> 01:24:15 [UNKNOWN]: Would it cause a collapse like the one that we heard about at the council meeting?
01:24:15 --> 01:24:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:24:19 --> 01:24:28 [UNKNOWN]: At Harvard's a piece of work, though, he's indoctrinating new convicts, basically, and he's like, you're not here because you stole or cheated or broke the pact.
01:24:28 --> 01:24:38 [UNKNOWN]: You're here because you were too stupid to get away with it and you see, like, one of them just looks like a little princess who's definitely not, oh, I don't know how she's going to do well.
01:24:39 --> 01:24:45 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I did another shout out to the cinematography to Anna Valdez Hanks was a cinematographer this episode.
01:24:45 --> 01:25:06 [UNKNOWN]: There's some great cinematography because it's also the shot of, there's a Mr. Gunton and I tried to look up, his name didn't seem to be in the credits for who the actor was who played him, but just a striking low-angle shot of this, a man with dark skin and with his beard against it and it's like looking very striking and also imposing because
01:25:09 --> 01:25:18 [UNKNOWN]: You can just imagine this is what these new indoctrines see as this this man insulting them and this other very stoic man Who's going to set them up and it's like oh honey.
01:25:19 --> 01:25:34 [UNKNOWN]: You were not in Kansas anymore All right, let's take our final break here when we come back we're going to talk about the continuing Investigation from our best-boy duo
01:25:37 --> 01:25:39 [UNKNOWN]: All right, we've got some double glenda trouble.
01:25:39 --> 01:25:48 [UNKNOWN]: Hank brings up the hardwood connection about the tension at hardwood and his daughter Glenda, Gemma Acosta, had with Orla Kent.
01:25:49 --> 01:25:58 [UNKNOWN]: Billings says talking to Glenda wasn't helpful, but maybe they can track her and Orla's movements if they can get into that surveillance room he knows must exist.
01:25:58 --> 01:26:12 [UNKNOWN]: The men pay a visit to head judicial goon Emerson to ask her where this room is, and she claims the room on 19 has been shut down, but Billings who's been rewriting the pact and knows the cameras are still there, calls bullshit.
01:26:12 --> 01:26:22 [UNKNOWN]: So Emerson takes them there and Billings kicks everyone out and then admonishes Emerson for clearly lying about all the cameras, still up around the silo.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:30 [UNKNOWN]: But Emerson does his requested and shows Billings and Hank the Mines as the exterminators were going in, and they see Glenda Harwood amongst them.
01:26:31 --> 01:26:36 [UNKNOWN]: But then, when she shows them supply at the same time, Glenda is there as well.
01:26:38 --> 01:26:39 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, thoughts on this.
01:26:40 --> 01:26:41 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: That's interesting, isn't it?
01:26:44 --> 01:26:51 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, my brain, so this is again, this whole lightbulb theft plot in Orlando murder is new, so I'm free to speculate.
01:26:52 --> 01:26:53 [UNKNOWN]: My brain goes into directions.
01:26:54 --> 01:26:58 [UNKNOWN]: One is AI slash deep fake, you know, deep fake situation.
01:26:58 --> 01:27:00 [UNKNOWN]: For one of them.
01:27:01 --> 01:27:05 [UNKNOWN]: Which again, I, any points again to Glenda being framed, which is what I've been suspecting.
01:27:07 --> 01:27:07 [UNKNOWN]: Or,
01:27:08 --> 01:27:26 [UNKNOWN]: could be something else like someone was messing with the the a video time stamp for if they couldn't be messing with the one where the where the miners rush in because oh sorry where they exterminate his rush in because um that happened at a specific time but they could have messed with the timestamp of supply.
01:27:26 --> 01:27:29 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know why I don't know that's
01:27:36 --> 01:27:41 [UNKNOWN]: that the person in the moog is all a Kent.
01:27:43 --> 01:27:46 [UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, they would have to change a face to look like her.
01:27:47 --> 01:27:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'd easier to change a face on video than in person.
01:27:51 --> 01:27:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm just thinking, like they presumably don't have DNA testing.
01:27:57 --> 01:27:58 [UNKNOWN]: No, I would assume not.
01:27:59 --> 01:27:59 [UNKNOWN]: So,
01:28:00 --> 01:28:03 [UNKNOWN]: but we saw her ourselves as viewers.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:07 [UNKNOWN]: We saw her, maybe it's just somebody that looks like her.
01:28:08 --> 01:28:12 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was, unless she has a twin, but I don't think so, we would know that by now.
01:28:13 --> 01:28:14 [UNKNOWN]: We met her other sister.
01:28:15 --> 01:28:16 [UNKNOWN]: We met Wonset, so.
01:28:18 --> 01:28:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but presumably if she had a twin, we would know that by now.
01:28:25 --> 01:28:25 [UNKNOWN]: Would we?
01:28:27 --> 01:28:27 [UNKNOWN]: Why wouldn't we?
01:28:30 --> 01:28:33 [UNKNOWN]: You think it's like a black sheep twin who's been kicked out of the family.
01:28:34 --> 01:28:37 [UNKNOWN]: I have parents don't, I don't think her parents could do that and what we saw of them.
01:28:41 --> 01:28:48 [UNKNOWN]: And even if it weren't her, they would still have to mess with the video somehow to have two glandas in two places at the same time.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:49 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:51 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:28:51 --> 01:28:56 [UNKNOWN]: Ever since you brought up Akam's razor last time, I'll apply that here and say,
01:29:00 --> 01:29:03 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't know how you would fiddle about with the video.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:11 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, the identical twin thing seems unlikely, but so does the, so does the video.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:13 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:29:14 --> 01:29:19 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we can fiddle with the video in our time to a certain extent.
01:29:19 --> 01:29:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they don't know.
01:29:21 --> 01:29:21 [UNKNOWN]: We know.
01:29:23 --> 01:29:26 [UNKNOWN]: Why not, I mean, we know that Stenson is an AI guy.
01:29:26 --> 01:29:29 [UNKNOWN]: We know there's AI doing all of that on your own calculations.
01:29:30 --> 01:29:33 [UNKNOWN]: And the SILA, they wouldn't have that technology.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, but that's a question.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:29:36 --> 01:29:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
01:29:37 --> 01:29:38 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:29:38 --> 01:29:43 [UNKNOWN]: So if it were someone filling with the video, would it be someone external to the silo and why?
01:29:43 --> 01:29:45 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:29:46 --> 01:29:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but why?
01:29:47 --> 01:29:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:29:48 --> 01:29:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:29:48 --> 01:29:49 [UNKNOWN]: OK. Good question.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:50 [UNKNOWN]: Good question.
01:29:53 --> 01:29:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say, I shout out to Diego Avius.
01:29:55 --> 01:29:57 [UNKNOWN]: I'll keep you tabby back for the vengeance.
01:29:57 --> 01:29:59 [UNKNOWN]: You're not supposed to be in here.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:30:01 --> 01:30:05 [UNKNOWN]: But Diego Avius, being obvious, living up to his name.
01:30:09 --> 01:30:16 [UNKNOWN]: So sometimes he did go exposition, but today he is, do you go off?
01:30:16 --> 01:30:18 [UNKNOWN]: We know, Billings is like, yeah, get out.
01:30:19 --> 01:30:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, Billing, what about us, Billings?
01:30:22 --> 01:30:25 [UNKNOWN]: Drawing a gun, I'm like, Jordan, come on, judicial.
01:30:27 --> 01:30:30 [UNKNOWN]: He's, yeah, as you said, his field of foxes fellow.
01:30:30 --> 01:30:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:30:31 --> 01:30:36 [UNKNOWN]: It has been harvested, and there is no more fertile soil for fox.
01:30:37 --> 01:30:41 [UNKNOWN]: So if Rick Hammondson is dead, he must be spinning his grip.
01:30:41 --> 01:30:44 [UNKNOWN]: Allison just sits there and does what she's told.
01:30:46 --> 01:30:50 [UNKNOWN]: She said, I was following you, you gasped the mines.
01:30:50 --> 01:30:57 [UNKNOWN]: Well, first of all, okay, so it seems Billings and Hank just learned about the gasing of the mines.
01:30:58 --> 01:31:00 [UNKNOWN]: I would have assumed that was public now.
01:31:00 --> 01:31:05 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, no, that doesn't make sense because Billings actually went into the
01:31:08 --> 01:31:09 [UNKNOWN]: recover all accounts body.
01:31:10 --> 01:31:11 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's true.
01:31:11 --> 01:31:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:31:13 --> 01:31:15 [UNKNOWN]: Did he not know what was going on?
01:31:15 --> 01:31:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:22 [UNKNOWN]: I think what he meant was that that they deliberately gasped the mines with the miners inside.
01:31:23 --> 01:31:25 [UNKNOWN]: That they said this wasn't like a fuck up.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:26 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:32 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, and Emerson just comes clean immediately like,
01:31:34 --> 01:31:37 [UNKNOWN]: That was an all rubber Sims would be a pole.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:39 [UNKNOWN]: What are you doing?
01:31:39 --> 01:31:41 [UNKNOWN]: You are a chief judicial goof.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:44 [UNKNOWN]: You are letting the side down, Amazon.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, at least she didn't think a stapler was a hard drive.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:49 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:51 [UNKNOWN]: But I mean, we had this exchange.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:52 [UNKNOWN]: You guessed the minds.
01:31:52 --> 01:31:54 [UNKNOWN]: I was following orders.
01:31:54 --> 01:31:57 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, this sounds very final solution.
01:31:57 --> 01:31:59 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I can say.
01:32:00 --> 01:32:00 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:32:00 --> 01:32:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:32:01 --> 01:32:02 [UNKNOWN]: Who's I commend for anyone who does that?
01:32:02 --> 01:32:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's right.
01:32:02 --> 01:32:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't like when, um, was a senior Nazi official responsible for a lot of parts that have their holocaust.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:15 [UNKNOWN]: and his defense is trial, literally, what was he was following orders?
01:32:16 --> 01:32:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, and the gassing part, too, like that seems very pointy.
01:32:22 --> 01:32:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's very pointed.
01:32:23 --> 01:32:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, and of course we've talked a lot about the fascism in this episode.
01:32:29 --> 01:32:32 [UNKNOWN]: So, we're like, Amazon doesn't seem particularly bothered.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:35 [UNKNOWN]: Manju neither was at our fight meant to be fair.
01:32:35 --> 01:32:38 [UNKNOWN]: Amazon doesn't seem to be particularly bothered by any of this.
01:32:41 --> 01:32:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm, I'm curious about Emerson.
01:32:45 --> 01:32:47 [UNKNOWN]: We saw her at home, but we don't know if she lived there alone.
01:32:48 --> 01:32:48 [UNKNOWN]: What's her deal?
01:32:49 --> 01:32:49 [UNKNOWN]: Where'd she come from?
01:32:49 --> 01:32:52 [UNKNOWN]: I just, I don't know.
01:32:53 --> 01:32:56 [UNKNOWN]: She's just let, she's let judicial down, appalling.
01:32:56 --> 01:33:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't know, or maybe she's saved the silo, because she's sharing information.
01:33:05 --> 01:33:27 [UNKNOWN]: in the booklet of the mystery of the pez, the flame keeper who wrote it says, we need to remember these things in order to have a better future, and she was right, I don't know why I'm assuming it's a she, we just got an initial s for the first name, but anyway.
01:33:28 --> 01:33:38 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, final question I have to bring up in this part of the story is, is Billings clearly was aware that we're still cameras, not how many cameras there were.
01:33:39 --> 01:33:50 [UNKNOWN]: I still haven't my mind the question that people kept bringing up earlier when he and Kathleen were arguing in front of the camera and the front, sorry, in front of the mirror in the bathroom that people were worried.
01:33:50 --> 01:33:53 [UNKNOWN]: There was a camera behind the mirror in the bathroom and I'm like,
01:33:54 --> 01:34:04 [UNKNOWN]: I, I hope Billings checked for it, but it seems like do does Camille know about Kathleen?
01:34:04 --> 01:34:09 [UNKNOWN]: Did he, you know, did he assume there wasn't and does Camille know about Kathleen?
01:34:09 --> 01:34:18 [UNKNOWN]: And it's just like holding on to that information for when she needs it like Sims did with Billings and the syndrome, which I hope will hear about again more.
01:34:18 --> 01:34:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what you're so completely going by the bat.
01:34:21 --> 01:34:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there must be, I think I know what it's based on from the book, so I'm assuming it'll come back at some point, but it has been a while since we've heard about it.
01:34:28 --> 01:34:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but is that a situation where like Camille does know about Kathleen and the outsiders and is holding onto it because it seemed like she didn't.
01:34:47 --> 01:35:01 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, this, this is the problem with the whole head of IT and shadow, because at the moment, Camille doesn't have a shadow, and so even if she did, it's still only two people.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:11 [UNKNOWN]: So I just think, this might sound like a bit of a bit of a math excuse, but I just think some stuff is falling through the cracks here.
01:35:12 --> 01:35:21 [UNKNOWN]: because like Camille we we see this earlier on the episode she is being run ragged by a whole bunch of circumstances.
01:35:22 --> 01:35:26 [UNKNOWN]: So I like I just wouldn't be surprised if some stuff just gets lost in the shuffle.
01:35:28 --> 01:35:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah I mean it because it did seem also like the voice didn't know because if they were searching for Patrick Kennedy the whole time if they did know Kathleen was connected to that that would have been a pretty easy way to find it.
01:35:41 --> 01:35:48 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to assume that there are still no mirror, or sorry, no cameras in the building's apartment.
01:35:48 --> 01:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: Like that maybe my head cannon until I hear other rises that buildings knew about this.
01:35:54 --> 01:36:02 [UNKNOWN]: And so, and we know he can pull out a mirror because he did that to find, in Julia's old apartment to find the book, the Georgia book.
01:36:02 --> 01:36:05 [UNKNOWN]: So he probably pulled it out to check for cameras.
01:36:06 --> 01:36:11 [UNKNOWN]: This may be, this may also frankly be one issue where it's like the writers have gone.
01:36:12 --> 01:36:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we can't explain everything or this show is going to be like that's why it's my head cannon and that's the unless I'm proven wrong that's what I'm going to go with just for the people who are wondering um yeah and so that brings us to the end of this this whole side of the story the silo 18 side was again the whole we hear that Camille has left has released the vitamin
01:36:42 --> 01:36:47 [UNKNOWN]: So the question is, what are they going to do from here?
01:36:47 --> 01:36:56 [UNKNOWN]: And if everyone forgets, that means they would forget most of these plots, except they would presumably quickly rediscover the shortage in the light bulb situation.
01:36:56 --> 01:36:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:36:57 --> 01:36:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:59 --> 01:37:03 [UNKNOWN]: So I think there are a couple of questions here.
01:37:04 --> 01:37:04 [UNKNOWN]: Firstly,
01:37:06 --> 01:37:11 [UNKNOWN]: From what we've seen, the D-plus, the vitamin D-plus has been released into the water.
01:37:12 --> 01:37:29 [UNKNOWN]: But it's just that whole thing with the, if it grows arms and legs thing, just does make me wonder, because the, the voice can like demand all at once, but it can't actually put the vitamin D-12 in the water itself.
01:37:34 --> 01:37:37 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, the vitamin D plus, I don't why I went D 12.
01:37:37 --> 01:37:39 [UNKNOWN]: The vitamin D plus has been put in the water.
01:37:40 --> 01:37:45 [UNKNOWN]: How long is it going to take before the effect start to manifest?
01:37:47 --> 01:37:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it would low in slow here.
01:37:48 --> 01:37:49 [UNKNOWN]: Low in slow.
01:37:49 --> 01:37:50 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to stretch off.
01:37:50 --> 01:37:51 [UNKNOWN]: It'll be good too hours.
01:37:52 --> 01:37:55 [UNKNOWN]: And also, I'm wondering, does the head of I.T.
01:37:56 --> 01:38:01 [UNKNOWN]: Because, you know, Robert's been going about, yeah, how this would affect Anthony and him.
01:38:02 --> 01:38:07 [UNKNOWN]: But I just wonder whether the head of IT, specifically Camille, is like drinking bottles.
01:38:07 --> 01:38:13 [UNKNOWN]: Because we know that there is food stored in the vault.
01:38:13 --> 01:38:18 [UNKNOWN]: So is the algorithm going to like insist that she starts drinking bottle water?
01:38:19 --> 01:38:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that would make sense to be honest.
01:38:21 --> 01:38:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:38:23 --> 01:38:26 [UNKNOWN]: All right, do you have any other thoughts about the silo 18 side of the story?
01:38:28 --> 01:38:41 [UNKNOWN]: I just, I really want to know what's going on with all the Kent and Yeah, and these light bulbs because this is this is really sort of this is really twisting my melon Like how can they be in two places at once?
01:38:43 --> 01:38:45 [UNKNOWN]: Emerson and needs to get a new job
01:38:46 --> 01:38:48 [UNKNOWN]: Um, what do you want her to do instead?
01:38:49 --> 01:38:50 [UNKNOWN]: I get no shit.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:50 [UNKNOWN]: I can supply shit.
01:38:51 --> 01:38:53 [UNKNOWN]: I can't work it supply, go to the market.
01:38:53 --> 01:38:54 [UNKNOWN]: Go to the market.
01:38:54 --> 01:39:00 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, frankly, Camille's going to need a scapegoat for guessing why it doesn't have mine.
01:39:00 --> 01:39:04 [UNKNOWN]: So, I think you'll be poetic just as frankly, if she ended up in the highlands.
01:39:05 --> 01:39:06 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, she's helping the good guys.
01:39:06 --> 01:39:08 [UNKNOWN]: Why are we punishing you?
01:39:08 --> 01:39:10 [UNKNOWN]: Just helping the good guys, she's going to go to the point of that.
01:39:11 --> 01:39:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I mean, she's doing the right thing, maybe for them wrong.
01:39:17 --> 01:39:18 [UNKNOWN]: left of the back bone.
01:39:18 --> 01:39:19 [UNKNOWN]: But she's like, I'm sorry.
01:39:20 --> 01:39:23 [UNKNOWN]: I'm an Alanson, it's turning and it's great right now.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:25 [UNKNOWN]: And she just woke up from from a cold.
01:39:25 --> 01:39:26 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:39:26 --> 01:39:34 [UNKNOWN]: She did just get, she did just get like, she did just get like, yeah, she did just get injected with spider munked by Amy.
01:39:35 --> 01:39:36 [UNKNOWN]: Made them, yeah.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:40 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe there was some sort of truth serum in that way as well.
01:39:41 --> 01:39:53 [UNKNOWN]: Why do assume like we don't again, we don't know what happened with Amy, but I assume Amy put a little bit of the forget drug in there just enough to like not so she doesn't remember that Amy did that to her.
01:39:53 --> 01:39:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, probably.
01:39:56 --> 01:40:01 [UNKNOWN]: All right, yeah, that's this question still on the table, but we're heating up.
01:40:01 --> 01:40:02 [UNKNOWN]: We're heating up.
01:40:02 --> 01:40:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I said, this episode felt like this episode felt like it was very much the turn into the back half of the this season where we're going to start building some momentum.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:40:14 --> 01:40:33 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I can't wait to see like I there's things that they're setting up and that I know from the titles of the episodes have got to play out and we know certain things like like now we're set finally we're going to see presumably very soon silo 17 one way or another catch up with what's going on there just
01:40:34 --> 01:40:41 [UNKNOWN]: And this whole, like I said, this whole thing with the light bulbs and Orla Kenton, all that, it's all new to me, so I'm like dying to know.
01:40:42 --> 01:40:47 [UNKNOWN]: And what is the field trip there is our Lucas and Patrick really going to go outside?
01:40:47 --> 01:40:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, out of Seoul will they make you and will they make you back?
01:40:53 --> 01:41:10 [UNKNOWN]: But I'll say, what I am especially excited about getting heated up is the before times, because I know that this is where a lot of the big answers come from, and I'm really excited about that coming out, especially because, again, they've been taking different paths to get there as this show does.
01:41:11 --> 01:41:16 [UNKNOWN]: So let's jump into the titular, the drive of this episode.
01:41:17 --> 01:41:19 [UNKNOWN]: Picking up from the episode five cliffhanger, Jr.
01:41:19 --> 01:41:31 [UNKNOWN]: Senator Daniel Keene, Ashley Zuckerman, and disgraced journalist Helen Drew, Jessica Henwick, are trapped in a shady rental minivan that's out of their control driving down a deserted road in the middle of the night.
01:41:32 --> 01:41:45 [UNKNOWN]: They bicker about whether it is or ever would have been safe to try to jump out and Daniel tries pulling the key out of the ignition, but it does nothing to sew their hurtling process when Helen tries throwing the key out the window.
01:41:45 --> 01:41:46 [UNKNOWN]: That also doesn't stop them.
01:41:46 --> 01:41:48 [UNKNOWN]: There's no rakes, no steering.
01:41:48 --> 01:41:57 [UNKNOWN]: Helen gives Daniel a nail file, which he uses to try to pry open a panel under the steering wheel, trying to find the line to the brakes, but all he does
01:42:00 --> 01:42:05 [UNKNOWN]: The pair try to hail a pair of passers by on the road, but it only spooks the other car.
01:42:06 --> 01:42:11 [UNKNOWN]: I notice in the credits the woman in the car is credited as trophy wife.
01:42:14 --> 01:42:18 [UNKNOWN]: But the trophy wife's car drives off to get away from them.
01:42:18 --> 01:42:25 [UNKNOWN]: So Helen suggests they hide in the back of the van hoping that someone will see an empty car driving itself and report it to the police.
01:42:25 --> 01:42:30 [UNKNOWN]: Only when police vehicles do arrive, they have no intention of stopping the van.
01:42:31 --> 01:42:32 [UNKNOWN]: They are there as an escort.
01:42:33 --> 01:42:43 [UNKNOWN]: When Daniel and Helen spot amongst them, the mysterious meddling man whom viewers who pay attention to the credits or listen to this podcast, no is named Henry, Reed Bernie.
01:42:44 --> 01:42:47 [UNKNOWN]: They become resigned to just write it out and see what he wants.
01:42:49 --> 01:42:51 [UNKNOWN]: So when did you think of the drive?
01:42:51 --> 01:42:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, firstly, there is a huge amount of flirting.
01:42:56 --> 01:42:59 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it's a stained-eyed contact.
01:42:59 --> 01:43:02 [UNKNOWN]: You should go along with this in this episode.
01:43:02 --> 01:43:03 [UNKNOWN]: She fixed his boo-boo.
01:43:04 --> 01:43:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's like, sure, TV 101 touch touch touch touchy touchy And we find that she kept the past the past the past the past Yeah, didn't even know I had it really Yeah, she gives him a flarity smirk I also we find out what the What the journalistic ethics Problem was
01:43:29 --> 01:43:36 [UNKNOWN]: and basically Helen had to pretend she'd invented a story in order to protect a source.
01:43:36 --> 01:43:40 [UNKNOWN]: So, if Helen's stuck went down last week, it's gone back up.
01:43:41 --> 01:43:42 [UNKNOWN]: In my eyes this week.
01:43:43 --> 01:43:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so just to pick at that then, since you brought it up.
01:43:46 --> 01:43:55 [UNKNOWN]: So Daniel apologizes and Helen picks on the tense, but he's like, I'm sorry, basically, I accused you of fraud, because other people said you did a fraud at post.
01:43:55 --> 01:43:58 [UNKNOWN]: And she's like, you really didn't Google mean.
01:43:58 --> 01:44:05 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I started to read it and then dot dot dot, well, the end then, because I remember two episodes ago is Sam called, so that's what distracted him.
01:44:06 --> 01:44:20 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but it was she just comes out and tells him now there was a piece on drug addiction amongst congressional staffers and, um, yeah, and basically someone says like, oh, our, like people's bosses are doing it, too.
01:44:21 --> 01:44:22 [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, I don't care.
01:44:22 --> 01:44:29 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, but specifically the speaker of the house was implicated.
01:44:29 --> 01:44:31 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to tell people who this speaker of the
01:44:35 --> 01:45:04 [UNKNOWN]: It's important to note it's not the speaker like in the UK Parliament, they are not a non-partisan figure, they are the leader of the largest party in the House of Representatives, so it's their role to manage the legislative agenda and to try get their parties agenda in action, so they are both a very public and a very powerful individual.
01:45:05 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I'll say like Nancy Pelosi was the speaker of the house for a long time for people who recognize that name, like so it's very high level person, it's being implicated.
01:45:17 --> 01:45:30 [UNKNOWN]: And the happen in numbers because over the decade to have to resign in disgrace for various scandals, yeah, I don't think any of them involved, I don't think any of them involved in illegal drugs.
01:45:31 --> 01:45:45 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm sure there's lots of drugs being done, but yeah, so yeah, right now the Speaker of the House is Mike Johnson, but I think probably Nancy Pelosi did it for such a long time, more non-americans have ever recognized that name.
01:45:45 --> 01:45:45 [UNKNOWN]: Bye.
01:45:46 --> 01:46:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so basically what Helen says is that she, in her piece about drug use and, you know, amongst congressional peoples, she changed everyone's details to protect her sources, but there was, she, she, she named someone Sharon, who she said, who's the one who implicated the speaker and, um,
01:46:06 --> 01:46:18 [UNKNOWN]: she knew that was going to be the juiciest tidbit and then she starts getting pressure from legislators and prosecutors in the capital police to get Sharon's real name because now that this is a crime they want to investigate.
01:46:19 --> 01:46:34 [UNKNOWN]: And then the magazine, the Washingtonian, outed the alleged Sharon as saying her real name was Jillian Aikens, Aikens, Aikens from the Speaker's Office and Helen's like, whoops, that's actually true.
01:46:34 --> 01:46:41 [UNKNOWN]: So Helen lied and said that she made up the source to protect the real Jillian.
01:46:42 --> 01:46:49 [UNKNOWN]: And she's basically, Daniel's like, you gave up your career for a source and she said, I gave up my career because I failed Jillian.
01:46:50 --> 01:47:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so now she's back up on the up with you yeah definitely definitely that was that was a very that was a very that was a very that was a very moral thing to do
01:47:03 --> 01:47:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm I'm waiting for more romance in this show to heat up.
01:47:06 --> 01:47:12 [UNKNOWN]: So I was glad to see the flirting like, like, how rages and so forth.
01:47:13 --> 01:47:18 [UNKNOWN]: Did, like, the pez dispenser, something to help you remember the world's worst blind date?
01:47:18 --> 01:47:19 [UNKNOWN]: It wasn't a date.
01:47:19 --> 01:47:20 [UNKNOWN]: It wasn't a date.
01:47:21 --> 01:47:22 [UNKNOWN]: So two questions about that.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:23 [UNKNOWN]: First of all,
01:47:24 --> 01:47:32 [UNKNOWN]: I presumably Charlotte set up the meeting, I guess she told Daniel, you're meeting someone what did she tell him that he thought it was a date?
01:47:32 --> 01:47:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she communicated this to him.
01:47:35 --> 01:47:36 [UNKNOWN]: We can't ask Charlotte now.
01:47:36 --> 01:47:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we do Charlotte doesn't know, but yeah, Daniel knows.
01:47:40 --> 01:47:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like how, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna need to flush fire, okay?
01:47:45 --> 01:47:57 [UNKNOWN]: So and which is more not a date then that that first not a date there overnight not a date in Palmer's apartment or this not a date flirting in the back of the van.
01:47:58 --> 01:48:06 [UNKNOWN]: Oh definitely the first one is the motion of the date because yeah there was there was some massive bloody going on.
01:48:06 --> 01:48:10 [UNKNOWN]: So that was the biggest misunderstanding and now the rich chemistry.
01:48:10 --> 01:48:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, exactly.
01:48:11 --> 01:48:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:12 --> 01:48:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:15 --> 01:48:21 [UNKNOWN]: about the whole throwing the key thing that made me anxious, too, because I'm like, what if you do stop that?
01:48:21 --> 01:48:26 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, she's like, if we get the far away from the van, want to just stop working, he's like, I hope not.
01:48:26 --> 01:48:29 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, because we're in the middle of the road.
01:48:29 --> 01:48:38 [UNKNOWN]: If your kid tosses it, and you shut down the middle of i95, not safe, and I'll say i95 is the biggest highway that runs
01:48:42 --> 01:49:09 [UNKNOWN]: So connects like New York, Washington, Philly, and between blah, blah, blah, blah, and then yeah, so the whole self driving thing She says this is just like what happened to Charlotte and he says you think someone in a round is driving this He says I don't know but someone is so What mechanism do we think they use because this didn't look like a smart car like it looks like a
01:49:10 --> 01:49:12 [UNKNOWN]: older, more basic car.
01:49:13 --> 01:49:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah, it does.
01:49:16 --> 01:49:20 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm not sure how whoever's doing this has been able to do this.
01:49:22 --> 01:49:25 [UNKNOWN]: I'm guessing just TV to jiggery-puggery.
01:49:26 --> 01:49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:49:28 --> 01:49:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we know obviously, yes, Stenson's been sounding the alarm on AI and how it can be used by hackers, right?
01:49:35 --> 01:49:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this does kind of, this does kind of do a bit of damage to your, we're in an alternative 20 10s now.
01:49:44 --> 01:49:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:45 --> 01:49:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:45 --> 01:49:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, because it's full on AI.
01:49:47 --> 01:49:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:47 --> 01:49:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:48 --> 01:49:53 [UNKNOWN]: But do we think someone hacked this and how?
01:49:54 --> 01:49:56 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I have no idea, but yes, somebody could.
01:49:58 --> 01:50:23 [UNKNOWN]: do you think what do you think about the idea that stents in might have been on the nimmits the carrier that charlete flu from when she met the what the fuck now i don't know because he feared the planes would be compromised and they were but no you don't think so no i don't think so um... why do you think he was there uh... you i think i think he's the one doing the company maybe
01:50:23 --> 01:50:26 [UNKNOWN]: the one doing the compromising rub than anything else.
01:50:27 --> 01:50:31 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think, do you think Charlotte and her squadron were getting pigs?
01:50:32 --> 01:50:35 [UNKNOWN]: Possibly, although that still doesn't explain the what the fuck cloud.
01:50:37 --> 01:50:41 [UNKNOWN]: So, and then I'm not saying that that's not what happened.
01:50:42 --> 01:50:45 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm just saying I can't be all that happened.
01:50:47 --> 01:50:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:50:49 --> 01:50:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:50:50 --> 01:50:53 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, we have more of the flirting end of it.
01:50:54 --> 01:50:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna be quite annoyed if the world of fuck cloud is just like some massive mgaffed.
01:50:59 --> 01:51:01 [UNKNOWN]: Woody, would we make it a Mcuffin' to you?
01:51:01 --> 01:51:02 [UNKNOWN]: Um, not a Mcuffin'.
01:51:02 --> 01:51:05 [UNKNOWN]: What am I, sorry, we're recording this kind of late at night.
01:51:06 --> 01:51:08 [UNKNOWN]: Um, a red herring, not a Mcuffin'.
01:51:08 --> 01:51:10 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, would we make it a red herring to you?
01:51:10 --> 01:51:13 [UNKNOWN]: If, I mean, it's something, yeah, anything weird, right?
01:51:14 --> 01:51:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's something weird, but like, what if it just happened to be there and actually it doesn't really affect the plot in like any major way?
01:51:22 --> 01:51:25 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that would be weird, because it looks weird, so it must be weird.
01:51:25 --> 01:51:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there was a whole thing without viscous liquid.
01:51:29 --> 01:51:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know why I don't think it's a liquid.
01:51:31 --> 01:51:33 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, yeah, whatever.
01:51:33 --> 01:51:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:51:34 --> 01:51:37 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I don't think it's viscous.
01:51:38 --> 01:51:39 [UNKNOWN]: Because it's floating.
01:51:39 --> 01:51:40 [UNKNOWN]: It's floaty.
01:51:40 --> 01:51:41 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
01:51:41 --> 01:51:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's not floaty.
01:51:42 --> 01:51:43 [UNKNOWN]: It's oil.
01:51:43 --> 01:51:43 [UNKNOWN]: It's
01:51:50 --> 01:52:11 [UNKNOWN]: but okay so we we also we get some more back of the van back of the van bonding was like no one will notice either of them missing and they kind of go through who won't notice them missing and Helen calls herself out as a shitty friend who doesn't call people back for weeks but i'm like wood palmer the apartment that there's that's true yeah that's
01:52:15 --> 01:52:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he probably comes back and expects Helen to be there because presumably she's like, hey, I'm staying at your place.
01:52:21 --> 01:52:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:22 --> 01:52:23 [UNKNOWN]: And then she's just missing.
01:52:25 --> 01:52:40 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and we also find out that certain Kovitch Victor asked Daniel to stay away from Charlotte for a bit while she's getting some like intensive treatment, which I'm like, I thought you needed him around to help her recover her memories.
01:52:40 --> 01:52:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:41 --> 01:52:45 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what kind of intensive treatment.
01:52:45 --> 01:53:09 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it does, I do think it must be triggered by the fact that Helen went to visit, and she did get rather upset about that, so whether it's like protecting her from remembering or protecting them from her remembering what Helen would trigger, and like the association with Daniel Holies now learned, maybe that's with the focused therapy is about, but he said she's doing better.
01:53:09 --> 01:53:13 [UNKNOWN]: So there's, yes, well, maybe we only have Victor's words for that.
01:53:15 --> 01:53:21 [UNKNOWN]: And then we get, uh, the other could news is they haven't killed us.
01:53:21 --> 01:53:27 [UNKNOWN]: So he sends Daniel says, which leaves the possibility we could be going someplace nice and they both laugh.
01:53:27 --> 01:53:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then he does one of those kind of the asks smile.
01:53:30 --> 01:53:32 [UNKNOWN]: And she says, we are so fucked.
01:53:34 --> 01:53:38 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, um, where did you think they were going?
01:53:39 --> 01:53:41 [UNKNOWN]: So they end up at kind of an apple.
01:53:42 --> 01:53:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's set that up.
01:53:44 --> 01:53:45 [UNKNOWN]: hangar ring out.
01:53:46 --> 01:53:52 [UNKNOWN]: Daniel and Helen arrive at their destination, Henry stepping out of his car to greet them as the rest of the escort drives off.
01:53:53 --> 01:54:03 [UNKNOWN]: They are at a private jet hanger, and a Senator Thurman, Laura Innes, walks out and asks them if they'd like to help save the world.
01:54:05 --> 01:54:07 [UNKNOWN]: What do you, I mean, they're at some sort of private jet hanger.
01:54:08 --> 01:54:12 [UNKNOWN]: The question I suppose is, is that her jet, does she have that kind of money?
01:54:12 --> 01:54:13 [UNKNOWN]: Is that someone else's jet?
01:54:13 --> 01:54:31 [UNKNOWN]: Is that a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
01:54:33 --> 01:54:42 [UNKNOWN]: And in the fact that Henry showed up like this, does this mean he works for Thurman or I suppose if we think that Stenson Stenson shed, it's also a possibility he works for Stenson.
01:54:42 --> 01:54:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:54:42 --> 01:54:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, I mean, does Thurman work for Stenson?
01:54:47 --> 01:54:48 [UNKNOWN]: I think it could be as fixed.
01:54:48 --> 01:54:50 [UNKNOWN]: What either way, he's the fixer for one of them.
01:54:50 --> 01:54:53 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm saying does the sense of work for.
01:54:53 --> 01:54:54 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:54:54 --> 01:54:58 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I can say not not literally, but does he sort of?
01:54:58 --> 01:54:59 [UNKNOWN]: He he funds her.
01:54:59 --> 01:54:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:55:00 --> 01:55:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:00 --> 01:55:02 [UNKNOWN]: Her career political career.
01:55:02 --> 01:55:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:02 --> 01:55:03 [UNKNOWN]: She's in his pocket.
01:55:03 --> 01:55:06 [UNKNOWN]: And she like, I think, send this in for him.
01:55:06 --> 01:55:20 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think the casting is brilliant if she is sinister because she comes out like with her George a charm and like, how would you like to save the world?
01:55:20 --> 01:55:20 [UNKNOWN]: Can I ask?
01:55:20 --> 01:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:21 --> 01:55:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's going to ask about that.
01:55:25 --> 01:55:26 [UNKNOWN]: What is she like in ER?
01:55:26 --> 01:55:29 [UNKNOWN]: Well, the first thing is is so weird.
01:55:30 --> 01:55:36 [UNKNOWN]: I'm seeing her walk without a limb and I came, because in E.R.
01:55:36 --> 01:55:43 [UNKNOWN]: she had some kind of hit her character, Kerry Lee, that had some kind of hip problem, the mention with a limb.
01:55:43 --> 01:55:46 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, except, do I think about season 7?
01:55:46 --> 01:55:51 [UNKNOWN]: They had to actually have the character to get corrective surgery, because it's her.
01:55:52 --> 01:55:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because because acting of limb was actually giving more in this allum,
01:55:57 --> 01:55:58 [UNKNOWN]: I could have met.
01:55:58 --> 01:55:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:59 --> 01:56:05 [UNKNOWN]: So, Carrie Wavers sort of comes into the early seasons of ERS.
01:56:06 --> 01:56:07 [UNKNOWN]: So, you are spoilers now, yeah.
01:56:08 --> 01:56:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:08 --> 01:56:08 [UNKNOWN]: Go.
01:56:09 --> 01:56:10 [UNKNOWN]: It's 20 years.
01:56:10 --> 01:56:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:11 --> 01:56:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:56:13 --> 01:56:14 [UNKNOWN]: You've been born.
01:56:14 --> 01:56:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:15 --> 01:56:23 [UNKNOWN]: So, she comes in as this very efficient by the book manager for the emergency screen.
01:56:23 --> 01:56:36 [UNKNOWN]: And to her character initially is very, it is very unlikely you're not, you know, Mark Green and Doug Ross, Anthony Edwards and George Clooney, but heads with her.
01:56:36 --> 01:56:38 [UNKNOWN]: But as you go along,
01:56:39 --> 01:56:50 [UNKNOWN]: you start to realise that actually she's making the ER better, but because both Mark Green and the Ross are kind of a bit fly where the seat of the pant kind of thing.
01:56:50 --> 01:57:03 [UNKNOWN]: So she's actually making it more efficient and you find it actually that she's not as much of a hard ass as she is portrayed at while she's at work, she actually has a very sort complicated.
01:57:03 --> 01:57:09 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I don't know more in this sexuality.
01:57:10 --> 01:57:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm carried with a was early example of a lesbian woman being shown on TV actually in a lesbian relationship.
01:57:21 --> 01:57:21 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:57:22 --> 01:57:23 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
01:57:24 --> 01:57:29 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, I've heard people do like interviews and retrospectives.
01:57:30 --> 01:57:36 [UNKNOWN]: And I've heard lesbian say, you know, that early representation was quite important to them.
01:57:39 --> 01:57:43 [UNKNOWN]: and it's not played for hard, you know, sexually lesbian.
01:57:43 --> 01:57:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's very much played as a proper fully formed set of relationships.
01:57:51 --> 01:57:52 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, there she has.
01:57:53 --> 01:57:55 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so but she's a good guy in that show.
01:57:57 --> 01:57:59 [UNKNOWN]: They're all good guys in that show.
01:58:00 --> 01:58:13 [UNKNOWN]: They're all ready, but the bad guys in the are all the diseases and horrible accidents people Yeah, yeah, I mean I I wonder like it because it seems like they're really putting on the Southern charm and not shit
01:58:14 --> 01:58:16 [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't have a carry we even know obviously.
01:58:17 --> 01:58:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, she's not I looked it up and this is not from Georgia Yeah, or the South I think I forget I said so and and in the preseason preview But she's from like I don't miss you again or something anyway
01:58:30 --> 01:58:37 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but just in terms of like, um, making her seem very trustworthy?
01:58:38 --> 01:58:38 [UNKNOWN]: Sinister.
01:58:39 --> 01:58:40 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I was gonna say the opposite.
01:58:40 --> 01:58:42 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I don't know.
01:58:42 --> 01:58:46 [UNKNOWN]: Like you say when she's being too, she's being too charming.
01:58:46 --> 01:58:46 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:58:46 --> 01:58:47 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:58:47 --> 01:58:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:48 --> 01:58:48 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:58:49 --> 01:58:52 [UNKNOWN]: Bullseye, like it's just, it's just the tenor of the show.
01:58:52 --> 01:58:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like the show just has me on guard with every new character they introduce at this point.
01:58:57 --> 01:58:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's fair.
01:58:58 --> 01:58:59 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
01:59:01 --> 01:59:06 [UNKNOWN]: All right, do you have any last thoughts on this part of the plot life?
01:59:11 --> 01:59:12 [UNKNOWN]: No, not really.
01:59:12 --> 01:59:22 [UNKNOWN]: I just I have a horrible feeling that Daniel and Helen at the end of the day are going to either going to go along with the theme.
01:59:23 --> 01:59:30 [UNKNOWN]: the machinations that lead to the site or they're going to die a horrible death because I can't see a third option.
01:59:32 --> 01:59:32 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:59:33 --> 01:59:34 [UNKNOWN]: Oh.
01:59:35 --> 01:59:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, I'm not saying they're going to die, I don't see how they get, I think the end of season four without either, without either going along with the plan or dying.
01:59:49 --> 01:59:54 [UNKNOWN]: do you think the silo system is 100% sinister?
01:59:54 --> 01:59:56 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe they'll think it's the right thing to do.
01:59:56 --> 02:00:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, yes, you could come to the conclusion that this is the right thing to do, but they still have to go along with the whole safeguard and the forgetting group.
02:00:13 --> 02:00:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as a contingency, but I can't see how much will they be told.
02:00:18 --> 02:00:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what she I want to know what she's going to say is saving the world yeah I like I can't see Helen and Daniel going along with either of those things, but like Clearly they can't foil the plan to construct the silo and move people into it otherwise the whole show falls down
02:00:37 --> 02:00:38 [UNKNOWN]: and then I'm going to do that.
02:00:38 --> 02:00:46 [UNKNOWN]: So I can't think of an alternative that doesn't end either with their compliance or their death.
02:00:48 --> 02:00:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:00:50 --> 02:01:01 [UNKNOWN]: One other important question, since you and I are both the romantics, who that's not already a couple or heavily flirting, do we hope gets together?
02:01:03 --> 02:01:17 [UNKNOWN]: So, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you put me on, you
02:01:18 --> 02:01:18 [UNKNOWN]: really.
02:01:18 --> 02:01:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:20 --> 02:01:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:21 --> 02:01:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:21 --> 02:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it will happen.
02:01:23 --> 02:01:24 [UNKNOWN]: No, why?
02:01:24 --> 02:01:27 [UNKNOWN]: Because they're both going to die horribly more closely.
02:01:27 --> 02:01:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, possibly.
02:01:29 --> 02:01:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm also like, he's going to die next week.
02:01:31 --> 02:01:34 [UNKNOWN]: I'm also like Julia clearly isn't over George.
02:01:34 --> 02:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:35 --> 02:01:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that is a thing.
02:01:38 --> 02:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm hoping that I understand why she was in George and I don't, I like that they've expanded his plot in his meaning to her and the whole situation versus the book where there's somewhat less, he persists less far into the story, I'll say, his looming presence.
02:02:01 --> 02:02:10 [UNKNOWN]: But I am at this point hoping that she has some closure and can focus on non-George thinks like so so watch your answer to that question.
02:02:11 --> 02:02:12 [UNKNOWN]: I plead the fifth.
02:02:13 --> 02:02:13 [UNKNOWN]: okay.
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02:07:34 --> 02:07:34 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:07:35 --> 02:07:40 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we will be back next week to talk about the priorities of no.
02:07:41 --> 02:07:42 [UNKNOWN]: That's going to make it a thing, nope.
02:07:44 --> 02:07:48 [UNKNOWN]: We'll be back next week to see who's going to die and who's going to get together.
02:07:49 --> 02:07:50 [UNKNOWN]: Hope there's less of the former.
02:07:52 --> 02:07:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we're lovers, we're lovers not fighters.
02:07:56 --> 02:07:57 [UNKNOWN]: Bye.