Why do violinists hate violists? Is Flipper actually evil? We comb through the listeners’ increasingly deranged questions with another Mailbag episode! Hear listeners test Nichole’s rhythm and shill their music in another fun check-in with our audience.
Music heard in this episode: Eight Foot Manchild - “Circle of Salt”, Vultures of Culture - “Catch and Release”, Nice & Smooth - “Sometimes I Rhyme Slow”, Dashboard Confessional - “Me and Mine”, Stereolab - “Diagonals”
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00:00 --> 00:01 [SPEAKER_02]: What is David referring to that?
00:01 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is the Cuckabura bird that's in movies and other continents or something?
00:07 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I haven't even heard of a Cuckabara before we started talking about this.
00:11 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Even for, you know, I haven't even put paid any money on it.
00:14 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_02]: You haven't heard of this song.
00:15 --> 00:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I don't know.
00:17 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_02]: There's another Lord Hound channel on the Discord, probably talking just about mis-tripy did.
00:22 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Trippie did.
00:23 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Ms. Trippie, what's the word?
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00:35 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
00:49 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi I'm Mark I'm Nicole and this is never mind the music.
00:53 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't realize we started already.
00:55 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
00:56 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Well here we go.
00:57 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_02]: We are doing a mail bag mail bag for season two.
01:03 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We are actually we got so much feedback that we're abbreviating our mail bag timeline.
01:08 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_02]: We are doing we only did three mail bags in all of season one and we are doing a do four.
01:14 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe this will accelerate enough we're just every other week instead of a sidetrack we just do male bags.
01:20 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
01:20 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Please don't, that would be really...
01:22 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I would love it.
01:22 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the male bags.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little less prep.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to do some gather stuff in the Google Docs.
01:27 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So as always, folks, if you want to talk to us, there's kind of two main ways.
01:33 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_02]: First way, I would say this is the guaranteed to get on the proverbial airwaves.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Send us an email.
01:39 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Never a music pod at gmail.com.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_02]: or what's the other good way?
01:45 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_03]: You can hit us up, which is a weird way to say, and talk to us on Discord.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:50 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I just could serve with the Lorehouse community discord server.
01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I never really know what to call it.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it a server?
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:58 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's right.
01:59 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And we have a specific nevermind the music thread on the server and check it out.
02:04 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
02:05 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: A channel.
02:05 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not a thread.
02:07 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: The link to that is in the show notes in the description.
02:11 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to join us.
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So hit us up.
02:13 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do another one of these in a couple months before we start you don't agree.
02:17 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm done with grading.
02:18 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been done for weeks.
02:20 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You started before me and you also finished before.
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like not only am I done with grading.
02:26 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I've already cycled through my usual end of semester rituals at home.
02:30 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I've rewatched comfort shows.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You did maintenance on the snowblower.
02:34 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't know.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I like repainted a room.
02:36 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I like organized the cabinets.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
02:39 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
02:39 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're team clean the carpets.
02:41 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have one student left to submit the grade of which is to say I as of this morning, I submitted everybody's grades except one person I said you've got until today in the afternoon to get that last assignment in late or I have to submit the grade.
02:58 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Very nice.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm too nice with my students.
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Like,
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just too nice.
03:02 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I should have and then I look at my grades when everyone's getting in a like of course They are because I'd take all the work they submit at the 11th hour
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:10 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I need to be tougher.
03:11 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, it does depend on the class a little bit.
03:13 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I will accept, for example, in my music theory class, I'll accept pretty late work because doing that work late means they're essentially practicing for the final.
03:24 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But I had a student the other day when I did my final, say, hey, I didn't finish all the assignments.
03:29 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I get the assignments in tomorrow?
03:31 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, well, what are you studying for at that point?
03:33 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, as if?
03:34 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: As if the homework is for me, the satisfaction of getting to grade it.
03:38 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: No, the whole point of the homework is to demonstrate your progress and to prepare you.
03:42 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So like what good is the homework?
03:44 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Super late.
03:45 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you're subject to like, it's so skills based.
03:48 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a skills acquisition and it's totally cumulative for the most part.
03:52 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what good is assignment one when we've learned, you know, like, when assignment one was just set up for assignments two through 12.
04:04 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're phoned in, they're catchy, they're clotted up, catchy, but still notably tough on the music theory notation assignments.
04:14 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
04:14 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I do have more and more on my online class, some attempts at that, and it is still, it's thankfully garbage.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Apportant.
04:21 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
04:21 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm using that word right, but I'm saying it with a thought.
04:25 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say it is apportant that's possibly a bit extreme, but I don't disagree with it.
04:31 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw some concerts since the last time we talked and it was a concert that one of our listeners said like you have to go, you have to go, you're missing everything by not seeing them live.
04:41 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
04:41 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Was this like sugar ray?
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I've tried to remember what came up last time.
04:45 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it was a while ago but Florence and the machines.
04:48 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I had the opportunity to go to the Florence the machine concert and it was super duper good.
04:52 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Like listeners are right.
04:54 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_03]: We should be listening to Florence and Machine War.
04:56 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of a set?
04:58 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Like witchy?
04:58 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But like the, I'm sorry, the songs was like a bunch of different eras or new stuff.
05:03 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It was mostly from her newer album.
05:05 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
05:05 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's scream was the name of the tour.
05:08 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And that was the general vibe of the show.
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like catharsis.
05:13 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_03]: female empowerment.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But it was flooring to the machine.
05:16 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Not flooring's well, so though.
05:18 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, but the machine.
05:19 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_03]: We kept me and my friends kept trying to figure out who's the machine?
05:23 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, are we the machine?
05:25 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the machine is like the name of the band, but like, that is a name of a band.
05:30 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
05:30 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know if it's the heartbreakers as the backup band.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's that.
05:33 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, flooring to the machine is not a solo project, right?
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a band.
05:37 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a band, you know, that's, that's a band.
05:40 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: They do have a heartbeat.
05:40 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: They still have, they still have the harpist and it was 100% more than they did.
05:43 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_03]: They not only do they have the harpist, when I saw the harpist on stage, I took a picture of it to show you because I was like, Mark's gonna freak out that there's a harpist in the band.
05:52 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And you have not shown me yet.
05:53 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't yet.
05:54 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I had the thought, they say it's the thought that counts.
05:57 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_03]: But then at the end, she goes, okay, like, and, and around to a plus for the machine, and she pointed back to the band.
06:03 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, okay.
06:04 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So they are them.
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It is like Tom Petty and the Harper's.
06:06 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought it was more like the corporate machine or like, we're the machine.
06:11 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
06:11 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:12 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_03]: It was really intimate for a large stadium show.
06:14 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was a, yeah, super good.
06:17 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Lots of white women twirling around in which dresses, lots of flower crowns.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So it was a kind of a tough pill to swallow.
06:24 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That fits the sort of like Indy folk vibe of the, yeah, guess what, would that be early 2010s?
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would really performative.
06:31 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It felt really performative to me.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a performing.
06:34 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_03]: No, in the crowd.
06:36 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, okay.
06:37 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at me, look at me.
06:38 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really love that.
06:41 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I was hard not to roll my eyes, but I'm just jaded.
06:43 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_03]: But the concert was great.
06:44 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'd see her again, which is controversial, but I'm so glad that I went to like have that experience.
06:52 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
06:53 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you had it once.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Any other ones to report?
06:55 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_03]: No, which is more, I also heard of a band to share with you that I forget the name of it, but they're in the talent that you live in.
07:04 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_03]: They're local to us that they are a death metal
07:10 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
07:11 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So I have to get the name for you.
07:13 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You should get the name.
07:14 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And no, maybe I can see them at Portfest in a couple of weeks.
07:17 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_03]: They're probably probably like they're like local and like kind of in your nice.
07:22 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's exactly something you'd be into.
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey listeners, you know when I know and she knows she's not going to look up the name of that band.
07:29 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So I Google it because it took so much effort to just find out the name of the band.
07:34 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: This is 8 foot man child.
07:38 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Circle of salt, a single they released in 2024.
07:40 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I have not heard of this band, but apparently they are from the town.
07:43 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I live in.
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Check it out.
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.
08:11 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I end into it.
08:12 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently they are a doom brass band.
08:16 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the only doom brass band.
08:19 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, man.
08:19 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like maybe we need to steal some of these brass players for the Slackin' MX.
08:24 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm going to see Benson Boonsoon again.
08:26 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
08:27 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
08:27 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Not only Martinez again.
08:30 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
08:30 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So you've got your a lot of repeat.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I got tickets.
08:34 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I got tickets for
08:40 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I going to see where it out?
08:42 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
08:43 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you get a cheap ticket to that?
08:44 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
08:45 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Last minute, yeah.
08:46 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
08:46 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll check it out.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
08:48 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_03]: There's it's soon.
08:49 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like July or something.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
08:52 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So our first bit of feedback is from two kids, two dogs, friends of the pod.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_03]: OMG, just listening.
08:57 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I am bursting out the seams with stuff to say.
09:00 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I think two kids, two dogs, is talking about our Shaniaye Twain episode here.
09:05 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_03]: First, I worked during the time you spoke of yikes.
09:08 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I started in 1986.
09:10 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, it was very male dominated.
09:12 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I wore those football shoulder pads.
09:15 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So yes, we're definitely talking about.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_03]: For sure.
09:18 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I worked with many men who would not be allowed to treat me the way they did today in the workplace, and Chennai is my hero.
09:24 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Her music spoke to me about female empowerment, about succeeding when the odds are completely stacked against you.
09:30 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_03]: You spoke briefly about her early life, but it was brutal beyond words.
09:34 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Starting with the fact that she grew up in such poverty in Timons, super northern Ontario, that she had to wear plastic over her shoes because they couldn't afford boots.
09:44 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_03]: She would wake up with ice formed into her hair, and when her parents died because their car was hit by a logging truck, she had to put her career aspirations on hold to raise her siblings.
09:55 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_03]: She worked in the forest industry, where being as beautiful and sexy as she was created additional issues she had to fight against.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_03]: and you spoke about her first marriage to mutt.
10:06 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me started.
10:08 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Listen to her first album, post mutt.
10:11 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_03]: She empowers herself without him.
10:14 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So thanks, Nancy, it's Canadian, so she has some insider information about tonight at Wayne.
10:19 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And she's affirming my point of view that it's tough to be a working woman.
10:23 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which I haven't famously fought against.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Famously, if I'm going to go like this.
10:27 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So I listen back to that episode, and I still remain very unsure.
10:32 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of the machine, it's like the dude machine that was creating that song like what was the real message.
10:38 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, thanks for the thoughts.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get me started.
10:41 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She says about the first marriage to mutton.
10:44 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of like, that's what I want to hear.
10:46 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I like what I get her started.
10:48 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me more dish.
10:49 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it sucks that it's sucked, right?
10:51 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it sucks.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what she's implied.
10:54 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We were correct to think it was it was super.
10:57 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't it like they all they like spouse swapped or something wasn't that in story like he cheated on her with her friend and then she got together with his that that woman's ex husband like something like that yeah, which would you know cool settled, but yeah, like being called, but you're not you're already developing a scheme around what the person is right.
11:20 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's not not great.
11:22 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_02]: We will need to bet he was not named that that's not his Christian name.
11:26 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_02]: He probably adopted that, at least as a user.
11:29 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nickname on a dog.
11:30 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think might be a nickname for?
11:33 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Much deferred.
11:34 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Much deferred.
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Much still Michael.
11:37 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Much you.
11:37 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Much you.
11:38 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Much you.
11:38 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously of course we figure out that.
11:40 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
11:41 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
11:42 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Nancy.
11:44 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Has not much more to say.
11:44 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like, yeah, that that sums it up.
11:47 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Super northern Ontario was all in caps.
11:49 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we need to emphasize that.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like more real.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That's maybe Arctic circles stuff there.
11:54 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like waking up with ice in your hair.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
11:57 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Ontario doesn't go far enough north to be in the Arctic circle, but icing your hair yikes.
12:01 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so this one comes in from Dave G, lovely episode on the killers, but also really like the song intro analysis.
12:08 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Just a warning, this email is going to be part me jumping into the song of intro conversation, and shameless plug of my band.
12:15 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think what he's talking about is when we were talking about the fact that that song goes starts with, Bucaca.
12:22 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:22 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was, we were talking about which is better.
12:25 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So Dave is going to plug his own band.
12:28 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to add to the song intro canon, the slide slash room, which I guess is how he's described in what I just saying.
12:36 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: My band, Vultures of Culture, has a song called Catch and Release.
12:41 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It begins with a couple measures of just drums before getting into the intro of the song.
12:47 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_02]: My singer,
12:48 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you don't own the singer.
12:50 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it's the singer of your band, not your singer.
12:53 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_02]: My singer wanted more punk energy in the intro.
12:56 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: When we were recording it, so we tried a bunch of different weird things on the guitar.
13:00 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Our producer slash engineer Andy Patelin, also famously the guitarist of Sponge.
13:06 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, famously indeed.
13:08 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually suggested doing a long pick slide followed by quickly sliding my hand up and down the neck.
13:15 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Room.
13:16 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds simple, but it's actually hard to get right.
13:19 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He's correct about that.
13:19 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Pickslides are not actually easy to do.
13:22 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Every time we play it live, I find myself either doing more slide than room or more room than slide.
13:28 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm glad that we managed to capture it in the recording.
13:31 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for indulging me on this.
13:32 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find my band on all streaming platforms.
13:35 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Come see us into TWA!
13:37 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all right.
13:38 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_02]: No Detroit.
13:38 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's how they pronounce it south of the border.
13:41 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to see me Biff the catch and release intro.
13:44 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So when I responded to this email saying, oh, yeah, we'll play it.
13:48 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He to his great humility and credit Started kidding self-conscious worry that.
13:53 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, everybody's gonna send their music and I'm kind of like
13:56 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a nice problem to have.
13:57 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want us to play a clip, if you got something that's germane to our conversation, I will.
14:03 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll stop if it gets to be too much, but he's written in a few times.
14:07 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he knows better than we do.
14:09 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_03]: He's smarter than us about music.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_03]: At least one of us.
14:13 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
14:14 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And listeners can decide which one.
14:17 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have not actually listened to this yet, but we are going to play it and folks, if you have something relevant to our conversations and you want to send in a song of yours, I'll play it until we stop playing it.
14:28 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds great.
14:29 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not worried about a run on the bank or anything like that.
14:31 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the beginning bit of vultures of culture playing their hit single catch and release.
15:12 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I wish that I could say that we made it through the darkness In a substance in a place where everything was alright But you and your friends how they worked in a disease Love is only a disease And history is matter of needs And I was nothing but I was just a cancer release
15:47 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Mark loves it.
15:50 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
15:50 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's cool.
15:50 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's cool.
15:51 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a very post-grunge late 90s, the vocalist in particular.
15:55 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I was surprised by the sort of country adjacent.
15:58 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
15:58 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a clean, kind of vocal.
16:02 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it a lot.
16:03 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a good slide room though.
16:05 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to say we have the drums first and then the pick slide, which creates a different effect.
16:12 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so glad that we're getting to know you through your music.
16:15 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: For sure, yeah, 100%.
16:17 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So next up, we have another listener sent in audio.
16:23 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This though is our frequent collaborator, Laura Hound, David, former guest.
16:29 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_02]: sent it a voicemail.
16:31 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh fun.
16:31 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to hear a voicemail.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I love David.
16:34 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And I may or may not play it on like 2x speed because it's a lower-hand voicemail could be seven hours long.
16:40 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
16:40 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
16:40 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
16:41 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what all I know is that it's called kukubura.
16:44 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the name of sorry.
16:46 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Kukubura.
16:48 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I have not listened to it yet.
16:50 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I insured that the audio was downloaded properly and I wanted to react fresh.
16:55 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha!
17:05 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of cool.
17:06 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Mark.
17:08 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the sound of the laughing kukubara, Decello Nuva Gini.
17:12 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was listening to your down under episode a while back.
17:17 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a lot of personal connection with business as usual.
17:20 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the first albums that I ever bought myself for myself.
17:25 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw a music video as a trailer to seeing some movie.
17:30 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'd been drawn or something like that,
17:32 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember being completely blown away by, uh, down under and just loving that and just being a big fan.
17:39 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, about the Kuka Barrow, it is a member of the Kingfisher family, which uh, there are about 120 species of in the world.
17:49 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just pausing it there.
17:50 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to clarify, we absolutely asked for a scientific treatise on the bird, right?
17:56 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That happened, on Mike.
17:58 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
17:58 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I believe.
17:59 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Continue David.
18:00 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: and this is the largest.
18:02 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about 18 inches long and weighs roughly a pound.
18:06 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The name actually Nova Guinea is actually another misattribution because the person who named it probably never went to Guinea and probably never saw it, but I think they said that they saw it there and another funny thing about
18:21 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: the kukubara is even though it's a king fisher, it never eats fish or almost never.
18:27 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a carnivorous predator and it eats mostly mice, snakes, lizards, frogs, things like that.
18:35 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And it allows to catch venomous snakes that are bigger than its own body and it will
18:41 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: beat its prey against a branch or a rock to tenderize it and then swallow it whole.
18:48 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The name is actually an Anomata Pia of the song.
18:54 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That song is a territorial song.
18:57 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's used to mark territory and defend their territory against others.
19:02 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times you hear them as a group chorus.
19:06 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: and it's often heard at dawn and dusk, which why it has the nickname the bushman's clock.
19:13 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's native to mainland Australia to dry eucalyptus forests open woodlands in a long waterways.
19:21 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It is NOT!
19:23 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: a native to jungle habitats or tropical rainforests.
19:27 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not found in Africa or South America or anywhere else that Hollywood might put it.
19:34 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, what is David referring to that?
19:36 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is the cookabura bird that's in movies and other continents or something?
19:41 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I
19:42 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't ever even heard of a Cougarara before we started talking about this, even for, you know, I haven't even paid any money.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You haven't heard the song.
19:50 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
19:51 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: There's another Lord Hound channel on the discord, probably talking just about Mr. Trippi did.
19:57 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Trippi did.
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Trippi did?
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Trippi did?
20:00 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the word?
20:01 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Trippi.
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20:25 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So at some point in the late 30s, someone in a sound department grabbed the kuka bura recording and dropped it into an African jungle scene.
20:37 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a great site that I want to shout out the sound and the foley, FOLE Y.
20:43 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: and that person actually went through all of the Tarzan films to chronologically pin down exactly when that was first started to be used as a song of the or a sound of the jungle and it seems like a 1938 film Tarzan in the green goddess was the first instance.
21:03 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it just gets used everywhere.
21:06 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's used in the Wizard of Oz, which is a meet-up landscape.
21:09 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's used in the Treasure of Sierra Madre, which is set in Mexico.
21:12 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the 1960 film Swiss Family Robinson, which is set on a tropical island.
21:19 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The 1962 film Cape Fear, which is set in North Carolina.
21:22 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The Jungle Book in 67, which is set in India.
21:25 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1981, set in South America.
21:30 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So, then not native to any of those places.
21:34 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just really an interesting thing that this is the sound that Hollywood coded as the jungle sound.
21:44 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's shorthound for wilderness, exotic nature and danger lurking in the undergrowth.
21:51 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So any time a character steps into some sort of unfamiliar landscape and we need to feel something exotic or you know, possibly dangerous out there.
22:00 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Kukubara that we hear.
22:02 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so it's got about a 90-year film history, so pretty incredible.
22:07 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Last little tidbit I will leave you with, uh, I don't know if either of you are familiar with a 60-show called Flipper, about a dolphin kind of like Lassie the Dog, but in the ocean.
22:21 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know Flipper, right?
22:22 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I know Flipper, but in my head, I'm thinking of echo the dolphin.
22:26 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh dude, so we talked about go to the dolphin.
22:28 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That game is so hard.
22:29 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It's super hard.
22:30 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So like I'd never owned a Genesis, but that would be one that I would play at friends house, whatever.
22:34 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And we could never like, we just get past, yeah, you can't even like get pet- you what are you even supposed to be doing?
22:39 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I go to the dolphin.
22:40 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like echo the dolphin, the Genesis game is inspired by someone who had flipper in their childhood, right?
22:47 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And that would check out.
22:48 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go movie too.
22:49 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
22:49 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And he like the boy saved the dolphin.
22:52 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that free willy and that's a. Yeah, that's a killer whale, which is a type of doll.
22:56 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_03]: But remember he's like on a barge or something and like the whale go something jumps over him.
23:01 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the yeah, that's the.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's gives free willy your free willy.
23:05 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and that free willy then.
23:07 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's called Free Willing for a reason.
23:09 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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23:49 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god that's like the what the bird sounds like is the big takeaway and it sounds maniacal that would be you know it's one of those things like a never is bird if you're in certain parts of the world and you're not used to the animals it's like oh there's all these like chirping frogs and it's kind of like nice that's kind of terrifying you're like trying to survive and that makes it a night well I think that that's David's larger point is that we've kind of taken this awful silence of this cook about it's not majestic at all and used and coated
24:19 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_03]: in the jungle.
24:19 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: The wilds or your tame dolphin pal.
24:24 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
24:25 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, if anybody beat echo the dolphin.
24:28 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you tell us how I have it?
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I have the game.
24:31 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a genesis console.
24:33 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
24:33 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't have the book and you need the book.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, like we don't know what they're doing.
24:37 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You mean like a manual, you mean like a strategy guy?
24:39 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I need like the book.
24:40 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I have the game Gini too, so we could like, you could get on infinite lives or whatever.
24:46 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_03]: We used to do a lot in with unlimited apples.
24:48 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
24:49 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He can get great.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: He can get great.
24:50 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Game Gini was great.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_02]: People aren't talking enough about game Gini.
24:53 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about any chance I get.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just proud of that.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yunker, then us know what the game did.
24:58 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Look it up.
24:58 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Game Gini, look it up.
24:59 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the content.
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: We've somehow gone more off-based than already.
25:04 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_04]: This is what the people want.
25:13 --> 25:15 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
25:17 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, next is from Marilyn, another Laura Hound regular.
25:21 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We're starting with the heavy hitters here.
25:24 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi folks, I'm listening to your episode on Dreams and enjoying it very much.
25:28 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she means the Fleetwood Maxxon not the episode on actual Dreams we did last year.
25:34 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think so too.
25:34 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems to me in the course of a relationship breakup.
25:37 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it's definitely Fleetwood Maxx.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_02]: If someone is saying to the other, I've already gotten over it and you haven't.
25:43 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I would call that a form of anger.
25:45 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I get a rather childish nia nia nia nia vibe from it, which tells me that that person really hasn't moved on because they're still attached enough to mock the other.
25:54 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_02]: One could even say they're attached to their aversion for folks that don't remember because that was a little while ago.
25:59 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: At one point you were talking about how
26:03 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_02]: some of the lyrics of dreams show Stevie Nixon further along her journey and the stages of grief.
26:10 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, but she's kind of being petty here.
26:13 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we were kind of going back and forth about what that showed of her level of acceptance.
26:18 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Marilyn goes on.
26:19 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It also strikes me that perpetually alternating two chords at the base of this song sound very much like breathing in and out.
26:26 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I heard a reference in the discussion to listen to someone else's heart beating.
26:30 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_02]: This sounds to me like listening to their breathing.
26:32 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really cool inside.
26:34 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Really cool.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I do not think about that.
26:36 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And it totally fits even the pace of the core changes is slow enough, but it would be somebody relax.
26:44 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not an intense breathing.
26:46 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And speaking of having a breakup, but still having to be in the same band.
26:50 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: my first ever intense relationship, which I was convinced would culminate in marriage, came my last year in high school, and lasted all the way through junior year of college.
26:59 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He was at Yale, and I was in Michigan, way to, like, kind of, like, suddenly drop in.
27:05 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, these major research won universities.
27:08 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
27:08 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_03]: We just say R1, you sound cool, you just say R1.
27:11 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, right.
27:11 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Plus, I would have saved the energy I spent saying the longer one.
27:14 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I know now.
27:14 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We know you're very highly educated, Marilyn.
27:16 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for the reminder.
27:18 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was, sorry, I'm not one.
27:19 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I shouldn't be wanting to talk.
27:21 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Cut it out.
27:22 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Cut it out, Nicole.
27:23 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was mostly a long distance relationship.
27:25 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's part of what helped us to go on for so long.
27:29 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he was a vealist and I of violinist, it's like oil and water, and he was also a budding conductor.
27:37 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We had both agreed to take part in a local summer stock theatre production of no known in it.
27:43 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He conducting and me playing first chair violin.
27:46 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you really think that his announcement a few weeks before we started rehearsals that I was not the one and only and he was going to move on, did not affect our relations in the pit, so you would be wrong.
27:57 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It was virtually every respect, a very trying summer.
28:01 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yikes, the conductor and one of the string players.
28:06 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Marilyn, always full of scandal.
28:10 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's a long standing rivalry as I understand it between violinists and violists.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Really, I thought you were just being like...
28:17 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_02]: know I think I think the oldest survival in is what it is is it's like I'm from San Diego.
28:22 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a one-way rivalry for most of history between the Padre's and the Dodgers.
28:27 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We're the Padre fans all like oh the Dodgers and the Dodgers are like I'm sorry who?
28:31 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah right.
28:31 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's the violinist looked down majorly on the violest but the violest are really like bitter about that.
28:38 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
28:39 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_03]: What is the difference?
28:41 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
28:42 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure some of our lives is an overly large violin.
28:45 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought it was a small one.
28:46 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not large enough to be played play down while you're sitting like a cello.
28:52 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Or no, it's like a violin with a bow, but it's just huge.
28:54 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
28:55 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think the jokes are like, oh, it's hard to play in tune because it is.
28:59 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_02]: To be always like kind of harder in some ways.
29:01 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the joke.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_02]: The joke is like the oldest can't play in tune.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_02]: The oldest aren't good enough to be violinist.
29:08 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And the reality is, the violists are like the people who were playing in the fifth grade orchestra.
29:12 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And the teachers like, you're good enough that I bet you could play viola too.
29:16 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they switch you.
29:18 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So violists are probably actually like musicians maybe better than a lot of the, in a sense, that like, they chose the viola or appointed to do the viola because they were musically capable enough.
29:31 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Merlin was a violinist.
29:32 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They were both her partner with the old.
29:34 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_03]: They were both a violinist.
29:36 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, what?
29:37 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_03]: He was a violinist and I was a violinist.
29:40 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what it says.
29:41 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where you're getting the old one from.
29:42 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you're imparting your bias.
29:47 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a violist, and I, a violinist.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Where am I getting that from reading the words?
29:52 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, they all mixed up in my head.
29:53 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm not gonna do?
29:55 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Cut it out.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm leaving that in.
29:57 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I read good.
29:58 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I read good.
29:59 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_02]: You should read good.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah.
30:01 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_02]: No, there's just a stereotype and that has created kind of a rivalry that those of us that aren't violist and violinists have nothing to do with music on.
30:09 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Violist and a conductor.
30:11 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
30:12 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean.
30:12 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:13 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Seems pretty good.
30:14 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a real, a real, like, I don't know what you're doing right now.
30:17 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Should we go to the room?
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she didn't put his name.
30:20 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I can find them.
30:20 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But like Marilyn's ex.
30:21 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you, you actually talked about this once that you could like give somebody a few facts about it in your students and you have enough here.
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We have enough here.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, not some are stuck.
30:32 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Conductor.
30:33 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
30:33 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Start going through.
30:34 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for writing, Marilyn.
30:35 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, really great thoughts on the dreams.
30:37 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned like, I'm really glad I'm not married to a musician.
30:41 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that kind of stuff will be so hard to take.
30:44 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that Fleetwood Mac pulled that off as long as it did, it's kind of nuts.
30:50 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_02]: There's an upcoming episode with kind of similar relationship vibes.
30:53 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And I keep you reminded of how hard and crazy and idea that I can't wait to talk about that.
30:58 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so much done.
30:59 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: We already know who
31:02 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So we have a message from Danny talking about our fast car episode.
31:08 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_03]: The best fast car cover.
31:09 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's just a sample, but it's the whole song sometimes by nice and smooth.
31:15 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a clip of that mark?
31:17 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I will momentarily.
31:19 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_03]: He's talking about the second verse by Smooth B.
31:22 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really want to deep dive into, is there a smooth A?
31:25 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, but whatever.
31:27 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_03]: The second verse by Smooth B, particularly has the same story telling his fast car.
31:32 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_03]: The song is almost as old as the original, so I've pretty much never been able to hear fast car without the lyrics for this song playing in my head over the intro.
31:41 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I rhyme slow here we go
32:12 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I'm slow, sometimes I'm out playing.
32:16 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's great.
32:18 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so that song is 1991, only three years, I think, after a fast bar, maybe you hear the riff more in that song, even then in fact, it just keeps going and going.
32:28 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_02]: More than 47 and a half times.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think they have to pay a trace of the chairman for that?
32:32 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_03]: 100%.
32:33 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So interestingly, although that late 80s, I think is when the sampling really came to a head legally, I don't remember what year, but somewhere around then is when
32:47 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Say she's just a friend, say she's a baby, you, you got what I need.
32:53 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Bismarcky.
32:54 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Bismarcky.
32:55 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna leave it in.
32:57 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: When Bismarcky got sued, I think that sample use.
33:01 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember what Sonnet was.
33:03 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_02]: After that, everybody started paying for sample clearance.
33:05 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
33:07 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_02]: This it could be an interpolation, not a sample, but I think it's a sample.
33:11 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure they certainly, there's going to be royalties there whether it's also paying for the master or not, especially because it was so close in time.
33:20 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no one's forgetting about it.
33:22 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think the storytelling, yeah, it's very, this is a specific part of a story.
33:29 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:29 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
33:30 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
33:31 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, super cool.
33:32 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like the way that nice and smooth used the same kind of convention of that hook repeating to talk about the cycles of addiction.
33:40 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what their version is about, which is a nod to trace the
33:46 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
33:47 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
33:47 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: From banana, banana, banana.
33:50 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think of the think of the muppets, and he'll say, right.
33:52 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But no, but no, of course.
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I was taught.
33:57 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
33:57 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sorry.
33:59 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a very touching episode of Make Me Cry on the podcast week.
34:03 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So do you mean the one where I cried the one where Nicole cried?
34:05 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a lot of crying this season.
34:08 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I got the chills when Nicole talked about the 30th and when Mark talked about her flames.
34:12 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be Billy Eilish and the slacchidemics.
34:17 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_02]: My cry song is me and mine by dashboard confessional.
34:21 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a song about being grateful for your family.
34:24 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I get emotional for the beautiful sentiment and because my wife and I don't have kids.
34:28 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a hard episode to listen back to.
34:30 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That specific part of the episode, like I was, I had to like stop, but I was doing and listen to myself talk about the 30th again.
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And that was
34:39 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Like hard to hear.
34:40 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know was that was heavy.
34:41 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was heavy right there, but yeah.
34:43 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't know if I'm.
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:45 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, dashboard was definitely one.
34:48 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I listened to a lot back in.
34:51 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, honestly, back in the I didn't cry days.
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could see.
34:54 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, literally songs like a sharp hint of new tears.
34:57 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Like dashboard confessional is kind of begging you to get emotional super familiar with their
35:04 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Can't a lot.
35:04 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of just sort of the sort of the artist.
35:07 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Chris Karabai think his name is a acoustic emo.
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, I'm sorry.
35:11 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't actually think I know this song.
35:12 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just play this one song.
35:14 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, this is new.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_02]: 2022.
35:16 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, Daddy, it's today.
35:20 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_06]: There is this promise that we made.
35:23 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And I open my eyes slowly, and I see a smile and face.
35:33 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_06]: This hour's like that once.
35:40 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Do I love dashboard confessional?
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably, it's like... Are you a fan?
35:43 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I haven't listened to a dashboard confessional probably since like 2006 or 8 or like it's been a while.
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:50 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like a super emotional acoustic key.
35:52 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know why I had the completely different schema in my head.
35:57 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, I think I'm mixing them up with someone.
35:59 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably.
36:01 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But cool.
36:01 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:02 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Super cool.
36:03 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm an awe.
36:05 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
36:05 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
36:05 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm an awe.
36:06 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Also points us to a video on the today's show about apps that turn text messages into songs.
36:13 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's like memes of people laughing each other more, sure.
36:17 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:18 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_02]: fits in with recent episodes we've done on AI thoughts.
36:21 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I almost don't know what to say.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hilarious, but also like, oh, that's that.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just leave it to that, right?
36:29 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because it will definitely do different styles and make really pedestrian stuff you're saying and to really emotional.
36:36 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting more and more bummed out about AI making art.
36:40 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was with someone this weekend and they were writing an essay or they were doing like a presentation for school and I was like helping them out with someone in my family and they were doing like, you know, whatever.
36:53 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_03]: If like Apollo, the Greek god was a superhero, what would they look like?
36:56 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, oh, let's like use AI and mess around and like find an image about it.
37:01 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I like just kept saying like advance the image, like make it more intense and prompting it.
37:05 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I said, like, can you make this into like a comic book strip, like a comic book page?
37:10 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So we can put it in this kids presentation.
37:12 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And I looked at it and I was like, oh, this is good.
37:15 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I showed it to the kids dad who's a comic book artist.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, I can't.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you just did that.
37:20 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, it would have taken me.
37:22 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_02]: That sucks.
37:23 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So long.
37:23 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is good.
37:24 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And like so I'm getting bummed out about what AI is doing to the arts.
37:29 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we'll probably come back to another time.
37:32 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, maybe you'll just break.
37:35 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, going on.
37:36 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, our next bit of feedback is from Mark P. Why did you guys play different versions of umbub on the Lincoln Park episode and then bring up Hansen and play the same song twice just a week later on the family band side track where he's supposed to have fixed all this stuff in season two.
37:51 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Mark, are you writing feedback to us?
37:54 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He does not mean it's me.
37:57 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Mark, he seems like he has some stuff to work out.
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And bothered me so much.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Listening back.
38:04 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So we made a big to do about how we're not going to pre-record the old season and be totally out of sync and talk about Drake after everything is changing.
38:14 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really the Drake effect.
38:15 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The Drake effect.
38:17 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_02]: season two were we're still recording in chunks right it's like it's spring break let's record three episodes and then a month later we'll do more right like and what happened is here's the thing the season two curse for our plan is the guests so when a guest is like I'm available this month we're like okay let's record them now and so what it does folks is it knocks the side tracks back so like we have planned out the guests surprising us with availability doesn't change when
38:46 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But it does change when family bands comes out.
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
38:50 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the family bands episode must be the one where we talked about Hanson was recorded before I might be saying this backwards, but was recorded before we did the voice changing thing with the Lincoln Park episode.
39:05 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
39:05 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_02]: even though it like came out afterwards and I think I had just forgotten that we even talked about me too because I don't like taking on the sidetracks it's not like I have notes in history of what I did and so it's like they it bad coincidence that happened to come out like back to back even though they were recorded maybe a month apart and it was like a throw away oh let's talk about Hanson and this one and then it came up again and and we didn't even say like
39:29 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like we talked about last week and usually we do like if we're recording out of sequence and we say like oh, but we're we like so we do stop and say like okay, but they're the listeners going to hear This other piece first.
39:43 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's go back and say that next thing like they assume we may have already heard that hands and stuff.
39:48 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And we just didn't clock at that time, but when I was listening back to the family bands episode, I was like, oh, why is she talking about hands and I'll get again without the same thing.
39:59 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_02]: got.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, listen, is you might have two.
40:02 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_02]: If that family bands episode had played right after we recorded it like originally, and then a month later you heard Lincoln Park, but we had like two of our spring guests were like kind of surprised.
40:15 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they knock the family bands, the unlikable protagonists, like all those sidetracks got knocked like a month later.
40:22 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And so
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've marked P. Thanks for writing in.
40:26 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:26 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's good to admit when, yeah, we got to explain how the sausage is made because it's still not a well, well, well, well, well.
40:34 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm wondering if other people care, I care you care.
40:37 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, somebody said somebody I'm related to was like, why do you talk about that two weeks in a row?
40:42 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, well, I'm glad you're listening, but damn.
40:45 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got the next feedback from beyond.
40:49 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_02]: A couple of interesting bands that I love related to this sidetrack.
40:53 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_02]: This is family bands, I think, speaking fat.
40:55 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. Sonic Youth had a married couple at its core for the entire life of the band.
41:00 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe that didn't come up.
41:01 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a classic example.
41:03 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that was a no honorable mentions rule.
41:06 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
41:06 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some more in Kim Gordon.
41:08 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: More cheated on Gordon.
41:10 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And the band broke up because they couldn't work together anymore.
41:13 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_02]: justifiably so on Gordon's part, more behaved abominably.
41:18 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's even better than App Horrent that you said.
41:20 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
41:21 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we need to start using abominably more.
41:23 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, it's a great word.
41:24 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It actually is very rhythmic to abominable.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Abominable.
41:27 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably not here at morning.
41:28 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fun to say for sure.
41:29 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Then there's the Tedeski truck span.
41:31 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right Boston connection.
41:34 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they were known them for very, very, very, very.
41:38 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they were just here for a while.
41:41 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Susan Tedeski and Derek trucks had their own separate bands until they got married.
41:45 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Then they got married and mashed the two bands together, literally.
41:48 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So now they have 12 band members, including two drummers as the Tedeski truck span, which is a good band.
41:53 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:53 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Blue sea kind of country.
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I have not.
41:56 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_02]: They're very good.
41:56 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you have.
41:57 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
41:58 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very unbranded for me.
41:59 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks.
41:59 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:59 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for the shout out on some of those artists Eon.
42:02 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate the no honorable mentions policy on some of those ones because it leaves the room for you all to bring some up.
42:09 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
42:10 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
42:29 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_03]: from Baron.
42:30 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Big Lincoln Park fan enjoyed the episode and just want to hit an point that you talked about towards the end about the songs they do live with Emily now and the ones with Chester.
42:40 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_03]: They are still putting in new songs while they tour, which they have been doing almost non-stop since 2024 with a few breaks in between.
42:48 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they are slowly picking and choosing new songs to incorporate with the songs of the new album.
42:53 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_03]: They also had two other band members change, Brad Nelson doesn't play live anymore.
42:58 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_03]: He helps writing and producing the song and doing the studio versions, but they have a guitarist for live performances and they also have a new drummer named Colin Bridden.
43:08 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Both Colin and Emily are huge Lincoln Park fans from the vlogs and the interviews they talk about the older songs that they have songs they want to incorporate in the live performances.
43:18 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think they also are trying to find the way they want to do it.
43:32 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, I don't know who's done on purpose, but playing sound garden on the Lincoln Park episode is beautiful.
43:38 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Chester Benington was the godfather of Chris Cornell's kid.
43:41 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Whoa.
43:42 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Chester sang quote one more late, live and tribute to Chris Cornell, the performances on YouTube and it's beautiful.
43:49 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_03]: The most beautiful song to me from Lincoln Park is lost.
43:52 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry for the rambling.
43:53 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope it makes some sense and I'll gladly talk about Lincoln Park with other people.
43:57 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, Byron.
43:58 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_03]: That was like really great insight from someone that is more on the ground level of Lincoln Park fans and then Mark and I are.
44:05 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So we really appreciate your commentary and your insight here.
44:09 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea that Chris Cornell, like, had a relationship with Chester Benington, like they were buddies and now that Chester was the godfather of Cornell.
44:17 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, rest in peace, both of those guys, that is, yeah, oh, my God.
44:21 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So good.
44:22 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I played my students, the black hole sun music video.
44:25 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
44:26 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Just before class, because they were all like spun out about the events of the world.
44:29 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they like, oh, is this AI?
44:30 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like AI.
44:32 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, they just need it to laugh before they could learn a little bit, because they're too stressed out about life.
44:38 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like, if you want to watch some funny music videos from the 1900s, wow.
44:43 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And I played them that one.
44:44 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, what is this madness?
44:46 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you play Bumblebee girl after that?
44:48 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't play bumblebee girl, and I should have no rain.
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_02]: That's good one.
44:51 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Now we had to just get to work and learn neuroscience after that, but we'll talk about it.
44:56 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was going to do prep sound garden for this season, but it actually got bumped.
45:00 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe next season.
45:01 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe next season.
45:02 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_03]: If there is the next season.
45:04 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh God.
45:05 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:05 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't gotten renewed by the God.
45:09 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Who would renew us?
45:10 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_02]: The station.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_02]: What would we say?
45:11 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Who would renew it?
45:12 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean Amazon's got a renew right they got a green light the next season.
45:14 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
45:16 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We're in talks with who.
45:17 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's right.
45:17 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we're see how I'm doing.
45:20 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's one of those things like loss, speaking of the, not the song loss, but the group, the show lost, lost and rambles a little bit in the mid seasons there because they didn't have their end date.
45:29 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and season three.
45:30 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't know how long the, the network was like, you're going to do 10 seasons or something.
45:34 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Once that show, I know people don't love the ending, but it tightens up a lot after season three because they knew they were going to get success.
45:42 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they could end it.
45:43 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you just say the last heightened up a lot?
45:46 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Literally a few episodes, but also the story.
45:48 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's crazy, but like season three is like, oh, let's do the how to Jack get his cat to episode.
45:54 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like very, what does this have to do with anything?
45:57 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_03]: We never even learned about the polar.
45:59 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Where was the polar bear from?
46:00 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_02]: The polar bear.
46:02 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_02]: People always talk about the polar bear as this big mystery.
46:04 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The polar bear is explained in like season two.
46:06 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They're experimenting on them.
46:08 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_02]: The drama is shit spoilers.
46:10 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But also there's like a weird like portal or something.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
46:15 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_02]: The reason I don't know is because I don't remember.
46:18 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's not explained.
46:19 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't matter.
46:21 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The drama initiative.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_02]: See, you have that I remember.
46:24 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_03]: We went.
46:25 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_03]: We went to the door.
46:26 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_03]: We were in Hawaii.
46:28 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_03]: We went to where they filmed it.
46:29 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: That's big island, right?
46:30 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so.
46:32 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it was cool, but it's a little like two houses.
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like a big.
46:36 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a YMCA camp.
46:37 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, anyways, we don't have an end date.
46:40 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:40 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_02]: No, so we're just rambling, right?
46:42 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have episodes about Jack's tattoo and polar bears because we don't know where the story is going to have a clear art.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about season three later.
46:50 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
46:51 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is sort of from various people like this was a whole thing on the discord, but then all site
46:57 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Cincinnati Joe's comment.
46:58 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_03]: He was the ringleader.
46:59 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, people were schooling us on the part that family being actors and not actual.
47:03 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we don't know.
47:05 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Siblings were not actors.
47:07 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They were actually like siblings.
47:09 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Cincinnati Joe says, it was a little easier for us 70s kids to know about the culture older than us because there was a smaller amount of TV and music back then.
47:18 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So lots of reruns of older shows, lots of older music on the radio.
47:23 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_02]: In the 80s and 90s, the amount of new media seemed to accelerate, and of course, the amount of older music, etc.
47:29 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_02]: continues to grow as times go on.
47:32 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So, it will be increasingly hard for people to know about, say, all rock and pop back to the Beatles.
47:38 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Agreed, and even our era, we're not 70s kids, we're more 80s or 90s, maybe is more even accurate, kids.
47:48 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We probably watch the same cartoons in a lot of ways, except maybe gender splits for some of that stuff.
47:53 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But like the classic rock and all these stations were playing, it's not diversified.
47:58 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Our kids will not have that experience at all.
48:01 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they each know the music that their parents favorite artist are and then whatever their particular YouTube star is and they know the rest.
48:10 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_03]: No, because they're able to self-select
48:12 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_03]: their media more than we were like we were just given we were eating what we were fed and they get to pick what's on the menu.
48:19 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure some people are annoyed with the overexposure in too many albums of Taylor Swift, but I kind of actually appreciate that she's like almost as close to a monocultural artist as possible, but like I like that like my daughter is a big Swiftie and like she can kind of count on
48:35 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of young people between her age up to the age of my age, knowing that reference point.
48:41 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of cool in the way that like Madonna would have been that in the 80s, let's say.
48:46 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And Madonna, somebody like Madonna wouldn't be right now, you know.
48:50 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Madonna's.
48:51 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Madonna herself maybe is, but the equivalent, you know, Chapel Rown isn't like every single kid knows all of her songs, whereas Taylor Swift is kind of almost like that.
49:03 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
49:03 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_02]: and it's kind of nice it's like there's a little bit you could still say there's like American pop culture as a unified thing.
49:08 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's only for that one artist.
49:10 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Just Taylor Swift.
49:10 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Just Taylor Swift.
49:12 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_03]: It may be Benny Boolean.
49:13 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, really?
49:13 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't know.
49:14 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not on that level.
49:15 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
49:16 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Not yet.
49:16 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_03]: No way.
49:16 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_03]: He will be soon.
49:18 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is from my W. Oh, hey, speaking of Zylethones.
49:22 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_03]: This song.
49:22 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Which is where we.
49:24 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of Taylor Swift.
49:25 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about, yeah, why were we talking about Zylethones?
49:27 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
49:29 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't recall, oh, hey, speaking of synophones, this song has a cool synophone part.
49:35 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really more for texture and melody in my opinion.
49:38 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Also Nicole, try to figure out the meter on this one.
49:41 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So the song is stereo labs diagonals.
49:44 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep reading.
49:44 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I will cue it up.
49:46 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's two bars of four than a five six.
49:50 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_03]: for kicks, I have six, five six for kicks.
49:53 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked Gemling, I had GBT with the time signature to the song is once the six eight and the other is just five four.
49:59 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we may be five fours, right?
50:01 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_03]: He goes on the intro has a couple of weird bits that resets to one at off beats though, oh my gosh.
50:09 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we're going to play the beginning of the song and we're going to see if Nicole figures out the meter and hopefully it's easy enough that I can at least tell Tell everybody what the criteria listen to it.
50:19 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, are we are you in this with I listen to this I listen to it when it came in like the feedback came in I've been listening to this every year, but I don't remember what the answer is very good
50:55 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, there's a weird bit actually there, but otherwise it's pretty straightforward.
50:59 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you got?
51:01 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Boom, boom, da, da, da, da.
51:03 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I think da, boom, da, boom, da, boom, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
51:07 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's two bars and four and then switches to like a three four or something.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it goes to five six.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think five six is amazing.
51:16 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it does mean five eight or five four.
51:18 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's definitely not six eight.
51:20 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
51:21 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_03]: it's definitely in like a meter of that's divisible by fours or twos.
51:26 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's like an extra little piece somewhere.
51:31 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like in four and then there's an extra little piece and then it goes back and I just don't know what that extra piece is.
51:37 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_02]: What's notable is that this seems to be a sample drum part.
51:40 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's basically like this is a cut and paste loop as opposed to like a human playing.
51:44 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I could be wrong on that, it's sound sampled, but maybe they've just processed it like that.
51:47 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I think 90% of this is just five four.
51:50 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me count it.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_02]: One, two, three, four, five, four, two, three, four.
51:58 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Jam comes in quicker than you are.
51:59 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_02]: One, two, three, four, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five.
52:18 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Hear that?
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I do.
52:19 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_02]: You're counting one, two, three, but the beat is this fast or slow.
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of slow.
52:24 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of slow.
52:25 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're kind of, because that's eye-level.
52:28 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the beat.
52:29 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the talk-toos, the smallest division, but if you're kind of, but that's not the beat.
52:36 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_02]: The beat has to have some way to put.
52:38 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll say, I think I was close, but I never knew five-four was the thing.
52:42 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I never knew that that was an option on the table.
52:44 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I never knew that that was the time sick.
52:45 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He said in the email, maybe it's five-four.
52:47 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_03]: No, he says in the, oh, yeah.
52:50 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_02]: the chat you don't know that five four is a thing take five I mean five four didn't five four come up on this podcast I'm sorry she's looking at me weird so there is the weird part with a little sort of seems to restore me in the five fours and think I'm not a musician mark mark is you you have are on don't mark is me no I'm sadly just a mark
53:13 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You are on record, asserting not only your competence, but I would say your expertise.
53:19 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I have the meter and yet you're now saying I've never heard of.
53:24 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't be like, who are the Beatles?
53:27 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Why should I know?
53:28 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_02]: No, 5-4 is a top 10 meter.
53:30 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It does say a lot in the email too.
53:33 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
53:34 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
53:35 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple of parts where the loop seems to restart mid bar, but I don't actually know that
53:42 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just like cutting and pasting it differently.
53:44 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to listen again, but it's kind of just like five, four.
53:47 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the drums that are in five, four.
53:49 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure that the Zylo or any of the other stuff really is.
53:53 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just kind of like loopy like it may kind of be that it's just kind of rhythmic madness on some level, but the underpinning definitely is this repeating five, four.
54:03 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So I would say one of your AI's is correct.
54:06 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not as complicated as it sounds, but I think the reason why you think, oh, it's a bar of four and then it's changing is because what I think is happening is a loop that is a four four loop is being cut up.
54:18 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're hearing boom, boom, don't cut, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.
54:22 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_02]: and then they're like adding another beat.
54:24 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So it feels you're feeling like a four, four, but then there's like broken parts of that same piece.
54:29 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I was close.
54:29 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like if I had a little bit more time, I would have got there.
54:32 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
54:32 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_02]: You also notably, we're not counting out loud.
54:36 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not counting out loud.
54:37 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You were not going one and two.
54:39 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The physicality of engaging with this is an important piece.
54:44 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_02]: When I teach musicianship at my college, I'm always like, no, conduct.
54:48 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to conduct.
54:49 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to even when they're doing a transcription, or we call it dictation, where I play a thing on the piano, and they have to write it down.
54:55 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling them conduct, use your hands to count the beat.
54:59 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So you physically feel the music.
55:02 --> 55:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:02 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes, like,
55:05 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Choirs are always terrible at and so like choir conductors will have the choir like literally sway left Right that why because you feel this is a weird rhythmic part, but it's kind of also Dancy and groovy and so you if you feel it physically so you physically I think if you would count What to you probably would have got it?
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
55:28 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was just a barely in the music in your head You were trying to out of you
55:32 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_02]: you were tapping but you weren't you weren't feeling.
55:34 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you would've got if you had a time and you felt emotionally safe enough to move your body.
55:39 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you would've got to tell me more about how I feel Mark.
55:41 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
55:42 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying what you would have felt.
55:44 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be worth you.
55:45 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I see.
55:46 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
55:47 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So before you kill me, we got one more, right?
55:49 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
55:50 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
55:50 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So from Dan G, this is from Instagram.
55:54 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, big fan.
55:55 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it'd be a really cool episode to look into only one of you with you by Hudie and the Blowfish, specifically how it uses Dylan's lyrics references in his songs a few different ways.
56:06 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_03]: would love to hear what the legal repercussions there also would be interesting to see the next level since post Malone covered the song for the Pikachu movie.
56:16 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_03]: How to royal tease work there?
56:18 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Does Malone pay anything to Dylan or just to Hoody who has to pay Dylan?
56:23 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is also kind of like that Nicki Minaj fast car that other version that I can't remember the name of like where's the money go follow the money here and this idea that if who do you in the blowfish uses songs from Dylan and then someone covers that who do you in the blowfish song that also uses songs from Dylan has just the money go.
56:47 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So I first of all what is the answer that applies to this case and what is the general?
56:53 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_02]: If you are covering a cover, the person in the middle there doesn't get anything.
56:58 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're, if, if, if, if, who do the blowfist did a cover of a Dylan song?
57:02 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_02]: If you play it like who do the blowfist, you're still just covering a Dylan song.
57:05 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
57:06 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's only if, and this was the case with the Nicki Minaj, baby, can I hold you?
57:11 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Herz was a sample of a cover.
57:14 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So she has to pay the, god, what was her name?
57:17 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.
57:18 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember the name of the Rage artist?
57:20 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.
57:21 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_03]: as I can't find you in.
57:23 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I liked it.
57:24 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you hated it.
57:25 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I hated the Nicki Minaj version.
57:26 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think, okay, all right.
57:27 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe not.
57:28 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I helped write everybody fix it.
57:30 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no way to know.
57:32 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So no way to know.
57:32 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The Shelley Thunder.
57:34 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Shelley Thunder version.
57:36 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_02]: with sample by Nicki Minaj.
57:39 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So Nicki Minaj would have to clear that sample and pay for the master recording use, but also the songwriting royalties would then go to Tracy Chapman and I think that's where things got tricky.
57:50 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think using I only want to be with you.
57:53 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, are we going to talk about who do you one day and or Daria's record?
57:56 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
57:57 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
57:58 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're into you.
57:59 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course you are.
57:59 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a 90's jam.
58:01 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course you are.
58:02 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey everybody.
58:02 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take three easy to play chords and solo over them for a whole set.
58:06 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then he will eventually himself is like a crazy country or a dead version of Wagon Wheel.
58:11 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Wagon Wheel is a good song, but his version is really smokey.
58:13 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So don't say I'm the only one that likes Huddy, Darius Rucker.
58:17 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they only want one with likes Huddy.
58:20 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so.
58:20 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't think it's, I think that song has like lyrical omoji kind of things to Dylan.
58:27 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it went far enough that they are paying royalties to Dylan.
58:31 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if someone covers that song, they owe Dylan nothing, right?
58:35 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Unless they were to then, if like, now it became different and like, oh, now actually, the course decided to Dylan co-ones only be want to be with you.
58:44 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then the artist covering that would then owe Dylan part of it, but I don't think
58:49 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_02]: that in that particular case it rises to the level where there was royalty, but I don't remember like we haven't deep-dive that song yet.
58:56 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So like I don't know if it has Dylan references that are like actual quotes, you know like maybe like there are never new bits of lyrics.
59:04 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:04 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_02]: But you've talked about like if your song smells like Taylor Swift, she's asking for a royalty.
59:09 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So like that kind of gets into a different territory and you're like, oh, what was the father figure?
59:14 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, it used as the word father figure.
59:17 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's to me.
59:18 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and she pay, I think she paid George Michael as a dig to Olivia Rodrigo.
59:23 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
59:23 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I did like it's ultimate high road.
59:25 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember in our cookover episode, which is to say or down under episode on copyright, finding a really cool academic journal article that I read and you were probably like, what's he doing?
59:37 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But then they made a really good point, which was copyright is supposed to encourage creativity.
59:43 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:43 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And like if it's like you named your song in a way that makes reference to my father reference in short, like that doesn't encourage creativity.
59:53 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't protect people's creativity.
59:55 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So Taylor, we love you.
59:57 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that your monoculture, but like I think if I named a song, love story, let's say, just literal love story.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_02]: If I named it the exact same as one of your hits, I don't know you anything.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's only a podcast.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_03]: It has a trademark.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_02]: what she probably has that trade you can't trade mark a song title what no the only song is named super man there are no like trade marks are brand product oh you can copyright music and lyrics you can trade mark a song title did she put the words love story on a t-shirt and trade marks the logo that was on that t-shirt
01:00:33 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And you name a song, love story.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Can she say, but I think because trademarks don't apply like you couldn't you could create a rock band called Starbucks.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't create a coffee chain called Starbucks because your trademark only applies in the same way that like you can't plagiarize.
01:00:48 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_02]: You couldn't write a novel inspired by a slacademic song and me suit like my copyright and slacademics applies to music and lyrics not to a care if you designed a character based on the
01:01:01 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_02]: outrageous vibe, couple dancing in the song, like I can't sue you for that, right?
01:01:06 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So the love story that T-shirt, if she created a actual brand, a T-shirt brand called Love Story, and then I created a clothing brand called The Church.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_02]: She can sue me, but
01:01:16 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's challenge our listeners go to slacodemixxslacodemixband.com But can't be right right and like see if it's.edu Slacodemix.bandcamp.com I think maybe and like see if we can make some derivative art based on Mark's The more AI the better right.
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