Steve and Anthony defy gravity with Moonraker.
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00:19 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Properly Howard, a podcast that reviews classic films and other pulp fiction.
00:25 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Today we talk about 1979's James Bond Sexy Space Trek Moon Raker.
00:31 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Roger Moore takes on the character of Bond who has to find a missing space shuttle just so long as he wins a wrestling match with a python.
00:39 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_00]: With me to discuss this film as always as Dr. Anthony Ladon.
00:45 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Did I fall asleep and wake up in a Star Trek episode?
00:48 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is very, like this very Captain Kirk.
00:53 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, if this whole film is that.
00:55 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, this movie, you know, famously is a Star Wars rip off, however, there's a lot more Captain Kirk.
01:04 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, then Luke Skywalker.
01:07 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, James Bond is, uh, he's creep.
01:17 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Steve, I have not ever really been a huge James Bond, a Fishingado.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how many James Bond do you think you've seen?
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Four or five, probably.
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems sufficient.
01:31 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen I've probably seen a dozen other short segments, you know, walking in, watching a scene or flipping channels, you know, see a little connery, see a little Roger Moore, neither one of those guys were all that relevant to me when I was coming up.
01:49 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:50 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I once worked in para church ministry and I decided that instead of, you know, having
02:02 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're just bringing all these high school kids I was working with to see a James Bond movie.
02:09 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was golden eye.
02:11 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
02:12 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And just write out the gate.
02:14 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know if I'd ever seen the beginning of a James Bond movie.
02:17 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, there's just, those opening sequences is usually like a dozen naked women silhouetted.
02:25 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
02:26 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And immediately I thought, I'm, I'm going to get in trouble for this.
02:32 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But we had already bought the tickets, you know, it was PG13, so I don't know how bad could it be.
02:38 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not committed to smut even as a, as a youth leader indeed.
02:43 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as a youth leader, I, I once took my conservative Christian youth group to James Bond movie.
02:54 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that was not Roger Moore.
02:58 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: as a Pierce Brosnan that was Pierce Brosnan and I probably saw a couple Pierce Brosnan movies I probably saw probably seen maybe two of the Daniel Craig iterations Are you a big James Bond guy um it's one of those things where if you would ask me like a younger age
03:25 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, are you a James Bond guy and I would look at maybe the the mountain of James Bond movies I've seen relative to how many James Bond movies there were I might I might feel compelled to say yeah Just just by virtue of like having seen like maybe five or six.
03:40 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and at the time there was like I don't know a thousand I don't know how many James Bond movies there are
03:50 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: but it would have felt like I would have at least been able to say, yeah, I've seen him.
03:57 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm a Bond guy, but I still let me see here.
04:00 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna, just so the listeners know, it's not that we haven't done the research.
04:04 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that no one really knows how many James Bond films are.
04:08 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because there's arguably too many.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's impossible to count.
04:15 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So there were one, two, three, four, five conneries.
04:20 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a lasin' B, another connery.
04:24 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the more the one, two, three, four, five, six more, six more more.
04:33 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Then they threw us a seventh connery, I don't know where.
04:37 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we go back to a more.
04:39 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So by the time I'd probably, because I had seen for your eyes only, moon-raker, spy love me.
04:49 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So that maybe I'd only seen three maybe I saw the man with a golden gun or some of it, like because this is like, I think like TBS would like have like James Bond Marathon.
04:57 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I would just sort of plop in and be honest, I mean, outside of the one that we're talking about today, I really couldn't tell you what the difference was between,
05:07 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: it was a stood out.
05:08 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a part of my childhood.
05:10 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly stood out.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess even there about that.
05:14 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So even with like maybe three or four bonds under my belt, I still hadn't even seen the majority of bond movies.
05:20 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of a wild thing.
05:21 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I would have been wrong, if I had said I was a bond guy, because maybe by, you know, I feel like maybe you have to watch half a ticket, because I've never seen a Sean Connery bond movie.
05:34 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, okay.
05:35 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I started with more and and it's not like I'm like a more guy, right?
05:41 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, there were so many, you have that so many boomers kind of feel like, you know, they sort of defined their They're defined by their bond.
05:49 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess And like no one could replace Sean Connery and then and then and then that may be true because I mean Roger Moore while he was my intro to bond never really did anything for me
06:03 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But he was James Bond.
06:04 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He was he seemed as James Bond as anything else.
06:08 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Timothy Dalton came in for two and then everybody was clamoring for Pierce Brosnan even when they were choosing the post more.
06:15 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember this or if you were interested at all in this.
06:18 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I do remember vaguely that there was almost like a fan push to bring, you know, for whatever reason.
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was in Remington Steel.
06:27 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The hive mind just decides that someone will be perfect for this, right?
06:32 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Pierce Brosnan was in Remington Steel and a lot of people kind of felt like Remington Steel was like the TV version of like kind of what James Bond was supposed to be, right?
06:41 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Deb and air British guys, he's kind of a he's a spy.
06:44 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I watched the hell out of Remington Steel in my front.
06:47 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so you figure so about 86, like so 8, you do a kill comes out, Roger Moore is
06:52 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: probably gosh, like 60 or push in 60 or something like that, right?
06:58 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe he's younger, but it doesn't matter.
06:59 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: People age like, you know, milk in the 70s and 80s.
07:03 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And, uh,
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there was this, oh, well, obviously, you got to go browsing, right?
07:07 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think there was this feeling that because he was already sort of dubbed this sort of like faux bond, he wouldn't hold the gravitation.
07:16 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, by that time, yeah, by that time, people were used to Roger Moore, who was in his... Roger Moore has been in a bunch.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, basically, you have two bonds.
07:25 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So people have already kind of acclimated to an older bond.
07:28 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the books, he's supposed to be 35 or whatever.
07:30 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: People have already acclimated to an almost 70 year
07:35 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: James Bond so to bring in Brosnan was not a big deal right so there was this idea to that like okay bringing Brosnan and Pierce Brosnan is what how old in 80s like let's just say 86 So he's he's like he's kind of like the sweet spot right I mean born in 53 so yeah he's like mid 30s
07:58 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is what you want, dude.
08:00 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly, this is the reboot you want, but I think that the studios were under the impression that it could have been like a contract thing, but I think there was this idea that like, well, if he goes, then now we're just making a Remington steel movie, you know, can he go?
08:14 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if we already kind of feel like he's the bond substitute, putting them in bond now, just, it doesn't, it maybe didn't fit.
08:23 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Timothy Dalton comes in and I don't think anybody was terribly impressed.
08:27 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think Timothy Dalton's a fine actor, but I think there was a carryover of this like, well, he was a little less fun.
08:36 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think people like the idea that Pierce Brosin would bring a little bit more of that kind of cool, fun charm.
08:42 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And then so, it's like 10 years later that he does golden eye, right?
08:47 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, now he's like in his mid 40s and you could have, I mean, he kind of feel like Pierce Brosin could have been the guy to like really,
08:54 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of cement the franchise a little bit more because we've already had like a set.
08:57 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had a little, a little George lays in B one off and he was supposed to do like the sign for like, I think seven films or something and him and his agent after one is said now.
09:09 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, so that was like a fan revolt kind of thing.
09:14 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's the right choice because I mean, I mean, obviously George lays B goes on to be, you know, world famous for everything else he's ever done.
09:24 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And so then after the Timothy doll, I don't know exactly how that goes down, but maybe it was, you know, sort of this revolt of whatever, but then by so then we get golden I golden I big right and golden I is huge big enough for me to take my big enough for you to risk your career over it and I'm probably all of 19 years old so I'm not making great decisions in any area of my life.
09:50 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No, there's probably on like some subconscious love you.
09:51 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, this is a PG-13 movie and I might see a nipple.
09:54 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like so, so gold and gold and I also benefits from the all-time classic video game time, right.
10:04 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The first person shooter golden eye is like the golden eye still revered to this day as video game.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So then you get, you know, then you get plenty of other.
10:15 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You get your tomorrow, never dies.
10:16 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_00]: World is not enough dying of the day.
10:18 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You get substantial braznan.
10:19 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, you get your, your Daniel Craig's.
10:22 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen two Daniel Craig's.
10:23 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen no Pierce Braznan's.
10:25 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen no Timothy Dalton's.
10:27 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen no conneries and narrowies and be.
10:33 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm Craig and, and more are like, kind of my,
10:39 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: my bonds.
10:40 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you told me, if you sat me down in front of licensed to kill with Timothy Dalton or the world is not enough with Pierce Brosnan, I would probably say, yeah, I've seen this.
10:50 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
10:50 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you get it, right?
10:52 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's why you've seen him dance up.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You've seen enough.
10:57 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And none of them match moon racers ambition.
11:02 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
11:02 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Now.
11:04 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we should both say in addition to all of that, we've probably seen bits of pieces of all of these movies because they were just on television.
11:13 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:13 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You know?
11:14 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:14 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Things were like, you just put in channels and be like, whoa, you know, I might as well watch this for five minutes and, you know, it kind of didn't matter who bond was or what movie it was in because they all kind of run together.
11:29 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of bits and pieces from a lot of these Bond movies that just kind of like a memory collage, right?
11:37 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't really matter because it almost bond almost resets, you know?
11:42 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Bond resets, I mean, but the one thing that it's clear, and I maybe this is different in the earlier movies, but like as a spy, James Bond is very disinterested in being unknown.
11:56 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where James Bond is James Bond, everyone.
11:59 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not James Bond, the architect, like, oh, I'll just won't change my name, but I'll change my profession.
12:03 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, I'm a spy, I'm here to take your plans.
12:08 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I don't know if you heard my name correctly, let me repeat it for you.
12:13 --> 12:14 [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha.
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They know his drink when he gets there.
12:18 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in a different spot, and they just have his drink waiting for.
12:24 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
12:25 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen.
12:27 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to put myself forward as a James Bond expert.
12:31 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
12:31 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm certainly not that.
12:34 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But I know enough about James Bond to know that usually these movies have an overall serious tone for an absurd concept.
12:45 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then once in a while, James Bond will wink to the audience.
12:50 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
12:50 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This film, Moon Raker, which I've never seen, I didn't know this could be, I didn't know a James Bond movie could be like this.
13:00 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: This is their response to the popularity of Star Wars.
13:03 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that's what I thought I knew about this movie.
13:06 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not know that the entire movie was going to wink to the audience.
13:12 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think for a long time because James Bond is kind of an institution, people wanted that kind of self-serious tone, but everyone also knew it was kind of funny, like James Bond is kind of ridiculous, and so half of the time we're laughing at how ridiculous this is.
13:33 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: but the films themselves had to continue to put forth a similar product.
13:39 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a McDonald's hamburger.
13:41 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:42 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, every time you go to McDonald's, it's gonna taste like a McDonald's hamburger.
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you had to go talking to a clown to get it.
13:51 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so this film is like, you want us to do a Star Wars themed.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems fun.
14:02 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: but instead of the meat patty, it's the happy meal toy.
14:06 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
14:06 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, this is the Gremlin's two of the James Bond.
14:09 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's great.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great, God actually.
14:13 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: This is looney too.
14:13 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just play you, what I think is probably maybe the thesis statement for the movie.
14:18 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Rustic Excuse me, gentlemen, not being English.
14:20 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I sometimes find your sense of humor rather difficult to follow.
14:25 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's almost a skeleton key for the entire movie.
14:29 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, we know this is funny.
14:33 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: This this this may be opaque to a lot of you, but we know that this guy is hilarious and we're going to Do an entire movie that is self-aware.
14:44 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like he's like dressed like Clint Eastwood at one point.
14:47 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The music gives everything away All right, like in a spaghetti Western
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not James Bond using it.
15:06 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a very similar to the theme for the Magnificent 7.
15:10 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's writing a horse, he's wearing a Mexican poncho with a wide brimmed hat.
15:19 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He's absolutely a cowboy for at least five minutes of this movie.
15:24 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what I was not expecting.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not expecting that.
15:27 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that this was the Star Wars rip off.
15:30 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know it was going to get that.
15:32 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It takes a minute to get to space.
15:33 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point, Jaws, Jaws is almost comic relief.
15:37 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point, Jaws smashes his air tram into a building.
15:42 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He's covered in dust.
15:45 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to get the one of the cons off of his neck.
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And he falls in love.
16:04 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little blonde girl with braids and braces, and it's, it's a love at first sight, and jaws this killer takes, takes her hand and they walk off in love.
16:18 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, this movie is not trying to be James Bond in the way that we knew him.
16:24 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
16:25 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So to kind of like, relegate this to, oh, well, that was the Star Wars rip off James Bond.
16:30 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course, that was the, I mean, the last half an hour of this movie is absolutely beat for beat Star Wars.
16:37 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, there's so much, there's so many other moments in this film that are basically taking an Austin Powers tone.
16:47 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You could have almost told me that this was a spoof of Austin Powers.
16:51 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:52 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
16:54 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
16:55 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So Austin Powers knows that James Bond is funny and sort of is a parody of the self-seriousness of Bond.
17:04 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But MoonRaker was there before, MoonRaker got their first.
17:08 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: MoonRaker absolutely did Austin Powers before Austin Powers.
17:12 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I love this movie.
17:14 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fun as hell, man.
17:16 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun as hell.
17:17 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I've heard a lot of people say, it's just the worst James Bond movie, and it's because whenever I have come to James Bond, I thought,
17:25 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy is absurd, but I'm supposed to like just kind of go along for the ride.
17:31 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But now it feels like James Bond, the director in this movie is in on the joke.
17:37 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's got some bonkers scenes.
17:39 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I was watching this movie.
17:41 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my son came home and I wanted to rewind the the Python scene.
17:47 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes into the pyramid.
17:50 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like, I don't know, a 10 or 11, a beautiful astronauts, scantily clad and brawless.
18:00 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gets ejected.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like an ejector rock.
18:05 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would be ejector rock very little pond and you know, no one really thinks much of this and he seems mildly annoyed that he he got tossed into a pond and then a giant A giant python comes out and he's got a rest of a python
18:26 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And he just so happens to have a little bit of snake poison or something that you use to kill snakes, injector in his front pocket.
18:35 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's able to do it.
18:37 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was showing it to my son and he's just cracking up.
18:41 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my daughter and her girlfriend walks in, I'm like, all right, we gotta rewind this again and show them.
18:47 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And we ended up watching a good half an hour with the whole crew.
18:51 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That stretch in this movie is just unlike anything I've seen.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just...
18:58 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This movie is legitimately hilarious.
19:00 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And it knows it's crazy.
19:02 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
19:03 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the movie is... And the thing I just so...
19:06 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think this might be the first bond I'd ever seen.
19:11 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And...
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I'll watch other.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this was indeed, this is your right.
19:15 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So then I'd watch other ones and I'm like, Oh, he's just kind of doing stuff.
19:20 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's always action, right?
19:22 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's always crazy action.
19:24 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But like the thing with moon raker is it just sort of screws it up for every bond following because it's like, well, I guess we can't have a parachute fight.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we can't have a snake wrestling.
19:36 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we can't have a one-point.
19:39 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a souped up gondola.
19:42 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess we can't drive Gondola's on the street now because they did it all in Moon Raider.
19:47 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He's in a Gondola, there's a boat that's going past him.
19:51 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a man in a coffin.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The coffin opens up.
19:55 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got various throwing knives.
19:57 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
19:58 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Kills the poor Gondola driver punter or whatever he is.
20:03 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And then James Bond takes the knife and kills the guy in the coffin.
20:09 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He's already in the coffin.
20:10 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a coffin, a coffin lid shuts, and then the coffin floats down the river with a little flower on top.
20:18 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not even the most memorable thing of this movie.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not even the only boat chase.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Jaws, we see jaws.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Jaws falls into a circus.
20:33 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He is saved by a circus.
20:40 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: For a while, I thought that the actor that played Jaws was the actor who plays the strier in Superman 3.
20:51 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that one of Zod's guns, right?
20:54 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:55 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that must be the same guy.
20:57 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The nope, but he wasn't happy Gilmore.
21:00 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't happy Gilmore.
21:03 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so I guess so he he he he was first in the spy who loved me.
21:09 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess there's a pretty popular pretty much so that's part of the reasons why he's back in this one because he's not in the novel But he was a fan favorite so the fans I think like clamored for him, so they that's when they sort of redeemed the character Made him a little bit of an ally Well, here's to us Count this is movies just it's like I so that's the thing is you watch this one
21:35 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: and it was surprising to me how long it takes to actually get to space.
21:40 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It really was one of these things where it's like, I thought that this was the Star Wars movie and I know it is because the opening, one of the opening scenes is the space shuttle being hijacked.
21:52 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:54 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I know I'm watching the right movie, they go to California, they go to they go to Italy, they go to Rio, and then directly out of an Aztec pyramid, they shoot
22:20 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, once they're there, they're all wearing, like, Bruce Lee yellow outfits.
22:27 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:30 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.
22:30 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.
22:31 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Way to go.
22:32 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the thing is, you could have saved a little bit for another movie, but now.
22:38 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, I think there are some liberties that we're taking from the Moon Raker.
22:42 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: novel, um, shocking.
22:44 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, uh, but just not bite the cable.
22:49 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The range steel cable.
22:53 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You have no, sir.
22:54 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Snapping it right away.
22:55 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't even really have to grind it.
22:57 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You just, just a snap right away.
23:00 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, Holly good head.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Little bit on the nose.
23:05 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not as bad as pussy galore, but it's sort of in the same family.
23:09 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure.
23:11 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when my daughter came in, she's like, she's a scientist.
23:17 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, in the James Bond universe, no scientist was a bra.
23:23 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just a rule.
23:24 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:26 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Gravity doesn't apply to scientists' breasts.
23:30 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, hey, do you do your things, James?
23:31 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, there is, there is no getting to know these women.
23:40 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is.
23:42 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know, I know he's got like, Dartson is sleeve and, you know, Python, killing venom, you know, at the ready.
23:56 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But he, I mean, he has to have some sort of like an STD repellent, like, always on.
24:06 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: James Bond is allergic to foreplay.
24:09 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I know there were a lot of rumors about monkeys and whatnot, but if you don't, James Bond's the reason why there's AIDS.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
24:20 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
24:22 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's he's ground zero for sure.
24:23 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's going all over the planet and then he's probably like, and he's dusting from space.
24:28 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So because I kind of thought that this is going to be just kind of a
24:40 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
24:41 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is a little odd that yeah, yeah, the US government is going to loan a space shuttle to Britain.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
24:50 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
24:51 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You got it.
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to try a little bit harder than that.
24:54 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like two or three minutes in and like, oh, I'm turning that part of my brain off.
24:59 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That is not.
25:00 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: This movie doesn't care about that kind of thing.
25:04 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like as soon as he got in the, uh, what was it the, um, the G4 simulator?
25:11 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's he doesn't take too long to the, I was, I was like, they sent you to find a space shuttle and you're just like taking it to where this place and you're like, yeah, why not this sounds fun.
25:24 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I love how like why don't I go on your little astronaut ride because I got all the time in the world.
25:31 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: All I can think of is like, all right, Drax wants Bond to be killed.
25:36 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He has, but he wants it killed, he wants Bond killed in an amusing way.
25:42 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, right?
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't even have to see it.
25:45 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So he sends, he sends, is it Chang?
25:51 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It might as well be Chang.
25:52 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel racist, it's Chiang.
25:55 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel racist just saying it, but that's the name of the character.
25:59 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: His henchman Chiang, who is always wearing a keto garb, he goes into the G4's area, whispers to the guy that's running the G4's machine.
26:11 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just sitting there waiting like, I mean,
26:13 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know much about science and about labs and all that stuff.
26:17 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And my guess is you just don't always have somebody if the G4 is machine at the ready on the off chance that a tourist is going to come by and want to hit seven Gs.
26:26 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's buddies there.
26:30 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And she just offers it to him, no waiver, no health check.
26:33 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like, oh, cool, you're in your 50s.
26:36 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to jump into the G4 simulator.
26:40 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And he does, and then Chang, whispers basically, I don't know why it whispers because they're in a booth.
26:48 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just a very stealthy person.
26:50 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He just whispers, and then the guy gets up and leaves, and then Chang in no disguise, just in his acetogarb, just manages to slowly turn it up to the point where basically this is gonna be the thing that kills him.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it doesn't,
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: and they sort of just give up on that for a while.
27:10 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they even go out and fescent shoot and they've all got guns, but they're waiting for the one guy in the tree to shoot him.
27:23 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they're like, well, that didn't work.
27:25 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess off to the next thing for a while.
27:27 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the lack of sense of urgency on killing fun.
27:31 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a kind of impressive.
27:36 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: they've got some really great gadgets.
27:38 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The British government is developing bombs at the end of cables that you can throw at someone's neck and it will just explode someone's head.
27:50 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You can melt but someone's head with a laser gun.
27:53 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Cue decides to give Bond a wristwatch that shoots darts.
28:00 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:00 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's almost like they don't really trust James Bond with much.
28:06 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one point they do give him a speedboat, which he immediately destroys.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why.
28:13 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I miss the part where like he knew he was in a super gondola?
28:20 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Did he just happen to get into the super world?
28:22 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so immediately after he make it a super gondola.
28:27 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Immediately what I thought was, these Italians, they bring Ferrari technology to every vehicle that they're in.
28:35 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like the gondolas, like they look like regular gondolas, so people can have that kind of lazy river experience.
28:43 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But when there's no tourists around, they're absolutely racing these gondolas.
28:48 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of let's turn into speedboats.
28:50 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You just gotta know.
28:52 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You just...
28:54 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a cheat code, like a contra level cheat code on the gauntal of the little.
28:57 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because he just... And I'm not even sure how... Like... How is... Oh, why?
29:06 --> 29:06 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
29:08 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
29:08 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_00]: James Bond all he wants to do is a spy is make sure everybody sees them all the time.
29:13 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He's getting attacked and he's like, oh, I think what I need to do is draw more attention to myself.
29:17 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: everywhere so i'm going to turn this gondola into a hovercraft and i'm going to just drive it through Venice i mean he's when he's in the bedroom with uh... carine de four
29:30 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: She's asleep.
29:31 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He walks out.
29:32 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He starts going through her desk.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: She walks out and catches him.
29:37 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He does not even stop.
29:39 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't slow down.
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He just keeps rightfully through her.
29:42 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he like shows her.
29:44 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, look, I can crack your safe.
29:46 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: She kind of protests and that was sort of like
29:50 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe you shouldn't be going through my files.
29:55 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't care.
29:56 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't care that she's in the room.
29:58 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, well, of course, this movie, maybe she doesn't, you know, maybe she's in love with James Bond.
30:05 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So now she doesn't care if he's spying or something.
30:09 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She gets this hack by dogs.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She gets ravaged by dogs just a scene later.
30:16 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: James Bond is absolutely responsible for her death, just because he can't spy very well.
30:23 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He loses that camera.
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say he just drops the camera.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It says 007 right on it.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So people can turn it to me.
30:32 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he has branded with his secret.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
30:39 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: is this idea that James Bond is a super spy.
30:44 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He is in the universe where everybody is really, really deaf.
30:50 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sort of like, this brings me to the, you know, it's like, oh, King Solomon, he's the wisest, the wisest man in all the land.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: For example,
31:03 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: his solution to trying to decide who was the real mother of a baby was to cut the baby in half and one said fine one of them said fine okay so that's we're only good if you're going to like so 50% of the of the people that were that
31:34 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other one was like, no, no, no.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want the baby to die.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, oh, yes, you're the real mother.
31:39 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're the wisest man in the land when everybody's dumb.
31:45 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: What wasn't recorded is that the other one said, well, which half, yeah, yeah, exactly.
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we get to swap halves?
31:53 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All that, like, can we, can we flip a coin for the half?
31:55 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Which half?
31:57 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the most prudent question is, where are we cutting it?
32:02 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we cutting it?
32:04 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: because then we get even halves, right?
32:06 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, you know, one of them will get the hand that can write, but if you're going like bottom top, that's a whole different animal.
32:15 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, nobody doesn't know it's James Bond, right?
32:21 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Ever?
32:21 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He's almost the most famous man in the world.
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So why is he a spy?
32:26 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he is a spy.
32:28 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if it's like the Joker when I was asking like, who's the most famous clown in the world?
32:33 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Batman's Joker.
32:35 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It may be the most famous clown in the world.
32:38 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Also not really a clown.
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You could say the same thing about James Bond.
32:41 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he might be the most famous spy in the world.
32:45 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But not really great at spying.
32:48 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's created Shag and a lot of birds, right?
32:51 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What if I was known for like chronically urinating my pants?
32:58 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: and I come into your department store and ask to try on some trousers and you're like oh yeah go for it that's on you that's on you so when James Bond comes to your facility yeah to take a tour you have to know he's probably there to get something
33:21 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point, he's like touring a glass manufacturer in Italy because why not?
33:28 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
33:29 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And the woman who's giving the tour recognizes him, he's internationally famous.
33:36 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the funny thing is, is if you didn't recognize him, give him a second.
33:41 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll introduce himself.
33:43 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not as text, Jeffries.
33:47 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
33:48 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Name is Bond.
33:50 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: be very clear.
33:51 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm James Bond.
33:55 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm either going to have sex with you or take the plans that you're guarding most likely both.
34:01 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: When they get to space, should we talk about the space part?
34:05 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the space part.
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
34:08 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: When they get to outer space, I mean, it's pretty great production value.
34:12 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, aside from the fact that their solution
34:23 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, like they're strapped in, but for whatever reason that, you know, they're in slow motion.
34:28 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it's like, that's basically, it looks pretty great.
34:34 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it looks like it could be a Star Wars set.
34:38 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's, the budget, I mean, as far as these go, I think it was a pretty high budget bond movie for one.
34:59 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, there's a legitimate, like, uh, you know, blaster fight in outer space.
35:05 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
35:05 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
35:06 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point, the, there is sort of an attempt to show the, how the anti-gravity is an effect.
35:12 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little gesture to that for the most part.
35:14 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just like running around, uh, conquering people on the head and running in the airlocks.
35:21 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
35:23 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: They do a full on Vader homage with jaws.
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
35:30 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they have like you know, it's toward the end of the movie.
35:33 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess James Bond is Luke Skywalker in the scenario And he kind of like gets just to come over to his side.
35:43 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So jaws is now a hero and jaws
35:47 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: helps them destroy this base station.
35:52 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And then afterwards, they've got to go destroy these poison bombs that are going to hit the earth and destroy humanity.
36:02 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very complex plan, right?
36:04 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Because like what Drax is trying to do is he's trying to, um, he's trying to like take a master
36:13 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: masturbation space and then he's going to like, you know, repopulate the earth once all of the human life is dead.
36:20 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But he intends to stay in space and rule from outer space.
36:24 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
36:25 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he that they do the whole guiding system thing.
36:29 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, there's turbulence.
36:32 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got to turn off the guiding system.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is not subtle.
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This is all Star Wars.
36:38 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
36:39 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The entire thing.
36:40 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think that that's kind of what sold the movie.
36:45 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But in the same way that like Gremlins too almost says, yeah, well, then let's make the whole movie out of this.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's not be subtle about it.
36:53 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, one point James Bond is like breaking into a lab and he like, there's like these five tones that are exactly the tones of
37:06 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You could say that this movie is like a love letter to like 60s and 70s cinema, including James Bond.
37:15 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's interesting too, like I guess Spielberg wanted to direct this movie.
37:20 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg wanted to trick this movie and they said, no, like what?
37:23 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They said, no, we're going to make, but we do want to have like elements of your movie in it.
37:29 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_01]: What on earth?
37:31 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
37:37 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And, I mean, I'll be honest, like, I would be a little bit worried that you wouldn't get this movie from Spielberg, right?
37:46 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:47 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_01]: This was a, uh, Lewis Gilbert production.
37:54 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, sorry.
37:55 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Steve.
37:57 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to give this one the Lewis Gilbert.
38:00 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I laughed really hard when they're when he's like it's after the the cowboy sequence and he's in a monastery and he opens a door and they're just two monks like full contact dojo fight.
38:16 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And then one flips the other and like a sick karate move and then as he is on the ground he like gives him the sign of the cross
38:28 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: really really fine laughed out loud Steve was there a trope a device or a cliche that you enjoyed was there a moment that wasn't a trope or a cliche is this is like they built the entire film out of it yeah I mean you don't really just take your pick I mean if you're
38:50 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: if you're a if you're a bond guy at all or a secret agent guy at all i mean it's uh... it's things that are supposed to be other things and they aren't right i mean it's i'd be out a transforming gondolas um... you know wrist missiles it's you know i'd love a layer i'm underground layer an underground layer is fantastic layers are so important in in if you're a especially a bond villain
39:18 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, in not only do you have to have a layer, but you have to have some sort of an animal.
39:24 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Like sure, you may have expert experts in a keto at your, you know, back in call.
39:31 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And you may have, you know, all different types of weapons of mass destruction.
39:36 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But you do need a vicious animal.
39:39 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_01]: At least one, yeah, at least one, a very well trained but deadly animal.
39:46 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: an opportunistic animal right and you need the right thing to get him into the thing they're like just launch them into the the python pond.
39:56 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I love a like a a party in the street that just thwarts a bad guy.
40:02 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that then beats nothing beats just it's like reminds me of like a even like a what's a trading place is right the the Jim blue she has the is the gorilla
40:15 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_01]: keeps Paul Gleason from just being able to pull off his mission or like the parade and fugitive you know it's like there's just a massive amount of people in one space he just got these dancing locals in Rio de Janeiro and you know just just can almost bite his way through any problem
40:37 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But a group of dancing locals, he just doesn't know.
40:42 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't know how to give his way out of him.
40:46 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a tweak?
40:47 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a tweak you'd make to this movie to improve it?
40:51 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I probably would have gotten a space a little sooner.
40:52 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say maybe a little bit shorter.
40:56 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what I'd cut out.
40:59 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, everything was gold.
41:05 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The woman who, all right, so the woman who meets Bond in Rio.
41:11 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: She just kind of lets jazz like pick her up and try to bite her on the shoulder.
41:18 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She makes no noise.
41:20 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She's just gone limp.
41:22 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's respecting Marty Gra.
41:25 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm just like, hey, guys, just let it.
41:28 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_00]: it's at the tradition it's just be cool yeah all right yeah i don't know i mean this is this movie it does seem a little too long yeah it does it and it's um and with good reason i mean there's there's a lot of things happening and they don't all have to happen in this movie right i mean you don't you don't have to do all those different things like you probably as much as i
41:56 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: eventually becomes a gondola that can get on land.
41:59 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably didn't need it, but probably didn't have to in this movie.
42:03 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Bite your tongue, sir.
42:05 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were acting like that.
42:08 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, there's there's intelligent Italians in a movie and this is what you want to cut out.
42:15 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
42:15 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what happens.
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a showboat in Italians.
42:19 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And as much as I'm all about Italians getting near water, I think it's the best interest.
42:24 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say something that's a little goofy here.
42:28 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they should have cut the space scene a little shorter.
42:33 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it almost felt like once they got to space.
42:35 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't need him.
42:37 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't need to do the chasing to shoot the things because that was pretty,
42:45 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The climax of this movie is him climaxing.
42:47 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't let you share, share, in front of the president.
42:50 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of felt like once they got to outer space, he kind of tried to take himself a little bit too, like the, the movie started to take itself a little too seriously.
42:59 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a scene that I really liked where they're stuck to the port and the docking port and he's able to like communicate to jaws, like the docking cable stuck.
43:11 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you help us?
43:12 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking, how is he hearing him through, you know, right?
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: All of this.
43:18 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But they saw that by having the little blonde girl like whisper into his ear, like, she's like a master lip reader or something.
43:27 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_00]: She's he has something like that, right?
43:29 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_00]: She serves a purpose.
43:31 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_01]: She tells him like what, like, either what he said or what they could do or something.
43:36 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she's she's understanding the situation.
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: She's the brains of this duo.
43:42 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: and then they get a he the big goofy way from from jazz like they're just best buds.
43:48 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:48 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:49 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's everything's cool.
43:50 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's copicetics.
43:51 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I sent you to your death to a circus.
43:54 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this movie better worse or on par with a Ron Howard movie?
43:58 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is so hard because like sort of like what you just mentioned about Spielberg if Spielberg takes over the movie, do we lose something right, do we get a better, do we get
44:12 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: spy thriller, but a worse James Bond moving.
44:15 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
44:16 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So back to sort of the happy days roots.
44:20 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in general this is the movie where people think that James Bond jumps the shark.
44:26 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, true, true.
44:28 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So you almost have to have a Ron Howard directing an episode of Happy Days to make this make sense.
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45:05 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're actually I don't know.
45:08 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I really I think this is where our rating system kind of fails us this movie needs to be exactly this I didn't in many ways Because if there's no yeah, there's nothing about this movie that's vanilla any I don't read these novels I have no idea I've never read a bond novel.
45:24 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you logically get James Bond?
45:29 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: In the space
45:31 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You can think from an Aztec period of pyramid, right?
45:34 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's what you, so once you've, once you've laid out the groundwork that Hayes, someone stole a space shuttle, I mean, that's your premise, okay?
45:46 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Space shuttle was stolen.
45:48 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think at that point, all bets have to be off, right?
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think you, I don't think, I don't think
45:56 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think you should have to try to make that plausible from a film making stamp.
46:02 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a great point.
46:03 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such because when I first, the first thing I knew about this movie was, it's the worst, you know, it's what, it's the worst James Bond movie.
46:12 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He actually has to recover a hijack space shuttle and he does it in space.
46:19 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's not quite right, but that's how it was framed to me.
46:24 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, I was like, ugh, count me out.
46:27 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Not interested.
46:29 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If someone would have told me like, he launches into outer space from an Aztec pyramid.
46:33 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:35 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, that, that makes perfect sense.
46:39 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Because for whatever reason I was really hung up on, how do you get James spawned outer space plausibly?
46:46 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And the answer to that is, you eliminate all plausibility.
46:51 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you have to.
46:55 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to send James Bond out of space, you might as well have him wrestle up Python five minutes beforehand.
47:00 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, one of, and that's what things we, we talk about too, like with with Batman, right?
47:05 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Once Batman got grounded in reality, and that became the priority, you eliminate the bulk of his villains.
47:15 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And you have to make a choice.
47:18 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so it wasn't really until Zack Snyder and then the whole Batman versus Superman stuff and all that like introducing the idea of aliens like it's very fact that you can have a world where Batman and Superman exist well now you've already opened the door for alien so now you can kind of get a little more fanciful but if you try to make it seem like he's just a vigilante in a in a place called Gotham City well then
47:45 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, then then any anameleon or or extraterrestrial villain just doesn't doesn't work.
47:54 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And so in this movie, like you said, the premise comes out, the gate and says, look, this is the premise.
48:02 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have zero interest in grounding this in reality, because the
48:14 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: This movie kind of wraps up with James Bond having sex in zero gravity.
48:22 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Which does that sound awesome?
48:23 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
48:24 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's probably impossible.
48:27 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, waterbed seem already challenging.
48:29 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea that you're up in space.
48:32 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He can't get his grip on his footing, and I'm like, that's important.
48:36 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You need some kind of purchase, right?
48:40 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that someone has tried to make it work.
48:43 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be curious to know what that experience was like.
48:46 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's baseless.
48:48 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Steady.
48:49 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Does Moon Raker have a half of the battle when to grow on moment?
48:56 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you consider the Python,
49:00 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_00]: wrestling, the G-force situation, ironically, given everything else that James Bond does, wear protection.
49:12 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
49:13 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
49:13 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking like this this movie is almost like a retelling of the gospel like No one is being on grace and that even even jaws you've even a a maniacal giant murdering Superchomper with metal teeth He's not he's not beyond grace.
49:32 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He can he can he can find love and become a good guy and be heroic in the end You like that?
49:38 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's fairly profound
49:41 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I though I love that part of it was because according to the DVD commentary is they were getting so many letters from little children asking why can't jaws be a good guy and I can't help but think that parents were bad parents.
51:13 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, and a cocoon of horror.