Aaron, Richard, and Chase are back to cover the final three episodes of Invincible's fourth season, a deeply entertaining but somewhat flawed batch. Relationships have been tested and forced to evolve, and the face of the game has been changed forever.
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00:58 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Fellows, last three episodes of Invincible ever to come out, they're done for canceled it.
01:06 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_04]: How do we feel?
01:08 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_02]: pretty good.
01:09 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad it's over.
01:12 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you would be, wouldn't you?
01:14 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You hate it.
01:15 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_02]: What the heck?
01:16 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy that they just left us off with that ending and they're never going to come back to it.
01:20 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Which, okay, by the way, full spoilers from here on out before we start spoiling things.
01:25 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you have not seen the end of invincible season four, now is the time to dip out we are not doing any spoiler free section today.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But that being said,
01:37 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, go ahead.
01:38 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: One thing I want to mention that I didn't really talk about in our other episodes that I kind of really noticed because he got a lot more screen time in these episodes was they made battle pieces so much more human looking in the show than in the comics.
02:01 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: In the comics he's just like like a white tiger guy basically like with like the like braided hair on like a huge muscular body but like they like made his face so much more humanoid in the show.
02:21 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He died, right?
02:23 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think he died, no.
02:25 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: he just got sent flying out of like filter mode space okay I don't know why I took that as him like getting absolutely destroyed by Thrag I thought that was the last we were ever going to see a battle beast ah he'll be better I mean he should be in the future of invincible in the show unless they want to change that
02:51 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, he has his own comic line too.
02:53 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's one of Ryan Kirkman's better.
02:58 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: or sorry Robert Kirkman's better comics is the battle beast comics.
03:04 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I really enjoyed seeing the battle beast race like show up during the coalition of planets meeting.
03:10 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was kind of a fun little Easter egg that they put in there, little nod to battle beast himself.
03:16 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder if the rest of the race is as goded in strong as him or if he's just one of a kind among their people.
03:23 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he is like the pinnacle of their people, okay.
03:28 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like essentially the like Allen equivalent of the unopened.
03:33 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's up to he's not like genetically engineered.
03:35 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He just he's just like that.
03:39 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
03:40 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
03:41 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to ask a question that I don't think I've asked a little bit, does anyone have any big hot takes for like the season at large or just these episodes or anything that you think is a little bit controversial?
03:55 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I've got one, but I want to let you guys go first if you haven't.
04:00 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have a few.
04:00 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, start us off.
04:04 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I think the animation is just quite disappointing.
04:10 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: resources to make it a lot better and like it's just like at some some points it's just it's like you're watching the show I mean you're like I just get so taken out of it when it's like PNG's moving around on the screen right like like I didn't mention it earlier
04:32 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: In the episode where we get introduced to a Ragnar's and then they look down and it's like 50 frozen Ragnar's.
04:39 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all the same Ragnar art, PNG, in different spots, like it's ridiculous.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:49 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know.
04:53 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I get that they only have for you 10 animators, whatever, like they have the animators for it's like the it's that's not as making it an extremely ridiculous amount of money off the show for like as little money investment as possible.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even that.
05:12 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a good budget.
05:14 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_02]: They just spend it.
05:15 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, we don't need celebrities to voice insignificant characters.
05:20 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't remember who it was, but there's characters that have like two lines and they're getting like a pretty well-known, well-enough known, like, oh, you're doing about there.
05:30 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You're thinking about the Flaxons.
05:33 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the flaxons have like star-studded cast and they don't even like speak like but you're paying good yeah like you're paying these people for that and that can't be cheap to have a star-studded cast of people who don't even fucking say anything relevant really
05:53 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_02]: are important.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
05:55 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think it's one of those things like, what was that movie Babylon?
06:00 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Where they were like, oh, we've got 18 AAA actors but the writing's shit, but it's got, it's got people that you wanna see.
06:07 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're gonna see it and then the movie bombed.
06:11 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree.
06:11 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, it's the fourth season of a show that's already well established, like,
06:17 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Like no one is being like you know what I should watch invincible now because they're added like lee pace, you know?
06:25 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they already have Steven Young and like JK Simmons and Sandra.
06:30 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like people are not like being like, oh, that's This cast member is like the reason that I'm deciding to watch the show now.
06:40 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's more like, oh, I heard the show was really good from everyone I know who's watched it
06:47 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to say, this is part of my hot takes.
06:50 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I think JK Simmons founded in a little bit on his performance this season.
06:55 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I went back and I watched a couple of episodes from season one and...
06:59 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's one thing I want to say before you get into that.
07:03 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
07:03 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They did have like, was it like, three or five years to produce season one?
07:09 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
07:11 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_04]: No, for sure.
07:12 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_04]: They had more time.
07:12 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_04]: They had more resources.
07:14 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_04]: That shows up in probably every aspect of that facility and animation included.
07:18 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think part of the quality drop is that they had all those problems around season two, which might have been a part of the reason why the animation got worse in some of the other things in the show got a little bit worse.
07:33 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And they maintained a pretty similar
07:37 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Invincible is it's got to be up there at least as one of the best shows on Amazon right now in terms of viewership, I think people eat this up every single year.
07:48 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like first or second every week and like the only the only show it's been losing to this time around has been the boys, but that's because the boys has also been on a generation of run.
07:59 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
08:00 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Another star-studded cast, too.
08:02 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
08:03 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And so when you've got the situation where the quality goes down and everyone is still watching and really loving the show, I think that generally people have positive things to say about this and the animation is.
08:17 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_04]: It's talked about, but not in a make or break kind of way.
08:20 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think Amazon takes that feedback and thinks we can cut corners and nothing bad will happen to us financially.
08:27 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like the only reason Invincible's animation isn't make or break is really just because the story is that good.
08:37 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, dude, it's the reverse of demons.
08:40 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I swear to God.
08:42 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, dude.
08:43 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, holy crap.
08:45 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the best take you've ever had.
08:47 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
08:49 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm going to change it about that, but I don't want to waste anyone's time.
08:52 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I will go on a mini tangent.
08:54 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Demonstration.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the most like, no, no.
08:57 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Demonstration is such a basic plot.
08:59 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yes, it's good.
09:01 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got great animation, but that's really the selling point.
09:05 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not like, hey guys, you want to go watch Demonstration for the plot?
09:09 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, yeah.
09:11 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_02]: and they try to kill him and there's powerful ones that he has to kill.
09:16 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the screen is beautiful and the screen is genuinely a pinnacle of artwork.
09:22 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's it.
09:24 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
09:24 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say like Invincible is like the reverse of like the seasonal anime you watch because like you saw clip of it on TikTok and that art was really good or something like
09:37 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: because it's like the animation is sometimes complete fucking dog shit.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the show.
09:44 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sometimes it's like it low key is kind of embarrassing for how popular and how much money the show makes.
09:51 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, yeah.
09:53 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been noticing the PNG stuff a lot more in this season than I have in the past.
09:58 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if it's just I'm getting better at spotting it or
10:02 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, dude, it got really bad when they went to space, which was like insane because there was so much less background to anime.
10:10 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, they might as well just for some of these scenes clip a picture of the comics that they found online and have that flying around.
10:20 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Give us a freeze frame of a comic panel at this point.
10:24 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which is so sad because there are parts of this show that look really good when they put their all into it and when they devote the time and resources to a certain scene, like there's, I think we all know what I'm talking about in the seventh episode, like there was a crazy, cool-looking sequence that we'll get to.
10:44 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like...
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Think about season two.
10:46 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You got that sequence with Omni Man floating around the black hole and like flying through space as he's kind of dealing with what just happened.
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that sequence was fucking beautiful.
10:58 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But then season two also had some PNG sliding shit, not nearly as bad.
11:03 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, as this season, but like,
11:07 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: When they shine, they really shine.
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
11:10 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a creative team here that is being forced to prioritize when they shouldn't be.
11:15 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_04]: They really do have the skill to make this whole show look beautiful and they just, I don't think they're being supported to make that happen.
11:23 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, shareholder value.
11:26 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
11:26 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
11:28 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Richard, do you have any hot takes before we roll into episode six?
11:35 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing that hasn't been set already.
11:38 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I think we're pretty one-minded on this one.
11:41 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, let's start off with season four episode six.
11:46 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_04]: You look horrible.
11:48 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_04]: It's about Mark being in rough shape after his battle with conquest and we get a little bit of Oliver and Nolan bonding time during this episode.
11:58 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Did the father-son dynamic work for you guys?
12:03 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that
12:04 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_04]: they gave enough time to these two characters getting a little bit closer.
12:07 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think so, given the context, I mean, like twoish months on a planet and you're the only people.
12:18 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you kind of have to bond with the other person just not go crazy.
12:23 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they gave us a good, like, small bite of, like, two months that kind of, like, gave us that story.
12:34 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like how they depicted Nolan and Oliver settling into a kind of new norm routine while they were on the planet, kind of feasting together off of those giant, disgusting looking bug creatures and trying to find some more nutritious food for... We need more protein from her.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_04]: He needs the protein.
12:57 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why, but JK Simmons is delivery of, we need to find something more nutritious, really got me in that episode.
13:04 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he used these on something for some reason did the fake out at the end of episode five leave you thinking that Conquest was going to come back Richard at all.
13:17 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not think so.
13:18 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of feel like he has to be down at this point because they're introducing Threg and he's
13:25 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just more threatening at this point.
13:27 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
13:28 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why people were like thregs of fraud before he started doing stuff.
13:33 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know why people were complaining about him saying, no, weird, I guess.
13:38 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: because that's where we're at.
13:41 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't sound like dead in the comics, guys.
13:44 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I fucking hate that argument because he sounded like nothing.
13:49 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no sound coming out of the fucking book.
13:52 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what do you mean, that's not what he sounds like?
13:56 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And it also makes sense for him to not just be
14:01 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I think people just want him to sound like he munches on fucking gravel for breakfast.
14:07 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it.
14:08 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Just having a deep voice does not want him to sound like that trucker guy.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: What trucker guy?
14:16 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
14:16 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Not everyone needs to be like conquest, you know.
14:20 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_04]: It can, he can be strong without sounding like he has literally bent through a meat grinder and come out the other side.
14:29 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay.
14:29 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay to have him be a little bit more polished.
14:31 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_04]: He's not just a strong filter might.
14:34 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_04]: He's also the leader of their civilization.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, yeah, he's like a regal.
14:39 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's the great region.
14:41 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got to have that regal, a hat.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: attitude, air to him, I guess.
14:48 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I really appreciated that this episode showed Oliver pushing back a lot on what Nolan is trying to teach him.
14:56 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_04]: It felt very natural for him to have that relationship with him.
15:00 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And part of it is just normal teenage angst's sort of shit, but then of course there's the abandonment and everything terrible that Omni Man has done in his life.
15:10 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think Omni Man
15:15 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_04]: has kind of repeatedly shown that he does feel like he's entitled to a second chance from the people in his life.
15:21 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And I still don't know how I feel about him feeling entitled to second chances from people.
15:27 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the thing that I feel like a lot of the fans that are like guys I feel good for Nolan don't seem to understand is that he's been doing this shit for a thousand years.
15:38 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like Earth was the first planet he went to and it immediately changed him.
15:43 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_02]: He has probably, I mean, we know that he's destroyed or conquered like hundreds of planets, they say that
15:52 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: to him in season two, season three, will like the other Viltramites do.
15:56 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And so like it's not like that's all he's done.
16:00 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_02]: He's done so much worship than we've seen for hundreds of years.
16:05 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's just not redeemable in, you know, a year of introspection.
16:12 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_04]: and Oliver kind of pushes him along on his journey a little bit.
16:15 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_04]: He, I think through his actions with that creature that lays marks eggs, that is a really terrible way to word it.
16:25 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_04]: But that creature that is laying the eggs that there are evisting kind of shows Nolan to value life in general a little bit more, even if it's not sentient life, even if it doesn't look like he does,
16:38 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_04]: That there's value in not just killing something because it might be, I don't know, aggressive because you're invading its home or this or that reason.
16:48 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And hopefully Nolan takes that lesson to heart.
16:54 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Everything is such a slow burn for him because he's so indoctrinated to thinking a certain way that he's got a long way to go still before he becomes a good person, I think.
17:05 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, should we talk about what happens in this episode until Eskrio with the Coalition of Planets?
17:12 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_04]: This was a fun little action piece.
17:14 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It was.
17:17 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually really liked it.
17:19 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: For the most part, this big battle, there were some parts.
17:23 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: There were still a few sliding, fucking sliding TNGs, but other than that, there was, I had like no issues with this.
17:36 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, in the comics, the mole was Tallya.
17:40 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
17:41 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like that.
17:42 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like that.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.
17:43 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I put this into my like thing at the end and I'll talk about it a bit more than probably.
17:48 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Unless I go on a rant here.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But like we don't know who this guy is.
17:53 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: This is just some fucking background character.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no.
17:56 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like in video games when like you play the first the opening mission of the game and like you're
18:04 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: friend that you've supposedly known for years dies, like, I don't have, I don't care.
18:11 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just some random person at that point, you know?
18:15 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Almost like two full seasons setting up this mole plot line and it was data twin number two.
18:20 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I was data twin number two in the comics.
18:23 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I just said that to see if one of you would be like, oh, I thought it was her.
18:27 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think I might have set on a past podcast that it could have been her, but I was just grasping it straws, I think, because I, yeah, they don't, they don't really, like, give you any reason to think who is the mole other than data being like, there's a mole.
18:45 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:46 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And also, what do they, what do the Viltramites really gain from there being a mole?
18:52 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I know that they, like, they're able to get through the defenses, yada, yada, yada.
18:57 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_04]: they could have just gotten rid of that whole need.
19:00 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_04]: They could have just said the Viltromites are here until Eskria and I would have believed it.
19:04 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't need the point, right?
19:08 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Is like if they could have just done that, the whole time wouldn't damn just pulled up earlier and just
19:14 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: killed everyone there before they created an anti-viltrumite like squadron.
19:20 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_04]: True.
19:21 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
19:22 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I suppose it makes sense for that.
19:24 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But then have the the mole, the a character that that be care about.
19:31 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy wasn't even in the show until I think this season and only in like two scenes before the
19:38 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_02]: big reveal that it's, it's, uh, fucking John Doe over there.
19:43 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_04]: It was just ridiculous.
19:45 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm, especially when his buddy data twin number one shoots him in the forehead and he keeps on living in the head.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was just shooting twice.
19:55 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_04]: That was really funny.
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_04]: It might have been worth it just for that.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_04]: It does.
20:00 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh,
20:01 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I like that Nolan and his family save Taleskria from being completely obliterated, or at least part of it obliterated from the flagship falling on the planet after they destroy it.
20:13 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I like them all struggling to get that thing back up into space.
20:18 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, in this show, they made data destroy, like when he was fighting in that episode, like, I was very surprised, I was like, oh my god, they're making it.
20:33 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking they might not make Datas die.
20:38 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, he was feeling like it was feeling like watching after this crime and revenge of the fallen.
20:44 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I know he was like talking about shit.
20:46 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I do know what you're talking about.
20:48 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It really was like, I was like, Datas is peace and guilty of my death.
20:54 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:54 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, he had hands this episode, it was great.
20:56 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He had hands in the next episode until he, uh, yeah, until he, uh, he put on his Socrates fit and he just, he got to work in this episode.
21:05 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's ballin' out.
21:07 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the awkwardies fit.
21:10 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, the weirded everything.
21:12 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He looked like, like, those marble statues of Socrates and like paintings of him.
21:18 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
21:18 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, yeah.
21:20 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got to say, Theta's gets totally faked out by Thrag.
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Thrag's planned to lure him back to Viltrum.
21:27 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Theta's eats out of his hand like he's a horse eat and sugar cubes.
21:32 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_04]: This guy just can't get enough of Thrag's bullshit.
21:35 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, horses, commonly eat sugar.
21:38 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's their whole snacks situation.
21:41 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_04]: They love sugar cubes.
21:43 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the eight like carrots.
21:46 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, do you have any apples or carrots or something crunchy for me to eat?
21:49 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Sugar cubes, apples, salt licks.
21:53 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Salt licks, I do know about salt licks.
21:56 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do they get salt and sugar licks?
21:59 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they do.
22:01 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they do.
22:02 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I really like this episode.
22:06 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I was a little bit worried going into it about the pacing, especially when I heard that it was going to be focused on Mark's recovery and the grace and family, just kind of being together during that, but they, they've really impressed me with the second half of this season.
22:23 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_04]: They did a lot of cool stuff.
22:25 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was just straight when episode after another.
22:28 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: The finale was great.
22:30 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I think people need to need to like understand what a plot driven finale is because we had the same thing with peacemaker where people didn't like it because there wasn't big fighting and explosions everywhere.
22:42 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, I love when they don't make like the finale episode, the big fight episode and they like actually like put a bow on things at the head of a season, you know?
22:55 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's just no way that if they had done the arc that they did an episode seven at the end of this season that it would have really hit the same it just you need that little breather and there was so much unresolved stuff on earth that I think they handled really well all of the personal conflicts were done in a way that I thought was satisfying except for one.
23:19 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_04]: My goat got got broken up with yeah.
23:22 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh, they made him kind of a loser in that.
23:25 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Paul My goat did not deserve that he made the best protein tubes with that red sauce.
23:33 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but Any final words on you look horrible before we take a quick break do don't say that all right You look horrible well in order to freshen up a little bit.
23:44 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's take a quick break
23:45 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And we are back to talk about episode 7 of Invincible Season 4.
23:50 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't do anything rash.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And this episode starts off with a bang.
23:54 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_04]: We've got the Viltrum flashback, the council meeting with Emperor Argole and his fellow Viltrumites, notably Thrag, Kreg, and Thatus.
24:07 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And we get a little... Rageful.
24:09 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Kreeg.
24:11 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Kreeg.
24:12 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's spelled Craig, but everyone calls him Cree.
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he's Craig now.
24:18 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_04]: He's got to adapt to his Luna, Jesus.
24:21 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:22 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you should adapt to, I don't know, speaking English.
24:25 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_04]: He's got to adapt to his new life of riding bikes and smoking.
24:31 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you guys think about the council meeting and the Rolonian question?
24:37 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Before we actually talked about the plot stuff, I liked that Frank Welker, the voice of Megatron, was the voice of Argo, very, very peak.
24:45 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And here I thought you didn't like them bringing on big names just for the sake of it.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a front of a lot.
24:51 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.
24:52 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_02]: When it works for me, it's great, but when it doesn't stupid dumb idiom.
24:58 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But to be fair, Argo should have a voice actor, that's like,
25:03 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_02]: a threatening villain sometimes, at least.
25:06 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Flex in number 18 does not need to have Brad Pitt.
25:10 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, our goal does haunt the narrative.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:14 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that this is not the last time we're going to see our goal in a flashback.
25:20 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that if they're going to cast someone like that to play him, we're going to see a little bit more.
25:25 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think next season will also
25:32 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_04]: If they give us a whole episode just on Rudy, I don't think that I can watch this show anymore.
25:39 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that'll be it for me.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm not going to lie.
25:42 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We might get more than one episode.
25:46 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That is just the flex and dimension.
25:49 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There is so much freak out content that they can cover.
25:56 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that makes sense because they're probably over there for what 20 years, 30 years.
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, something something crazy.
26:03 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Something crazy.
26:03 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just continue with this, uh, cause I don't want to spoil anything more.
26:08 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
26:09 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Fair enough.
26:10 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Our goal gets assassinated by our friend Thadis and in the aftermath, Therag is named Grand Region and in an effort to root out what he sees as weakness in
26:25 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_04]: take part in what gets known as the Great Purge, and he starts that off by executing the guys standing next to him.
26:32 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_02]: and putting out his hard fit.
26:35 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't show this in the show, but in the comics, they show that they just assassinate Argo by using a sharpened Viltramite bone.
26:45 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that's what it was, but I've seen the panel of him sticking the dagger in Megatron's head.
26:52 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a weapon type that I think they didn't utilize quite enough in this season.
26:56 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little problem.
26:58 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Sharpened Viltramite bone.
27:00 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's grim, but it also, like, that's kind of metal as fuck, you know?
27:05 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I never looked like the whole point was that, like, it would have been one of the only things strong enough to, like, stab or, like, pierced through a village or might.
27:15 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, why the fuck did, what is that knife on Google is hair made out of, like?
27:22 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love the pony tail knife weapon.
27:25 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what I see in a movie.
27:28 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the most ridiculous weapon you could wield.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's like having a rope dart on you at all times.
27:37 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because the funny thing is every time she uses it, so when it ends up eating.
27:41 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yakin' her damn head with the fucking pony to hell.
27:45 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: True, it's got drawbacks, but it does work.
27:49 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The only time she would ever need to use it is against like another villager might, right?
27:55 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Because like 99999, like repeating percent of all living things in the universe.
28:07 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: like can't even hurt a villager might is so it's like is it there just so she can like lawnmower people with it like spin her out.
28:19 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I look after people chop with it or like is it is that supposed to be like her secret weapon against other villager bites in combat?
28:28 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_04]: It's got to be like a crab control tool.
28:31 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like every time she's used it against another wheelchair mate.
28:36 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_02]: They ended up just grabbing her hair and yanked her Yeah, I mean Nolan I can remember because I thought she died in season two when Nolan like grabbed the hair her hair pulled her in and just elbowed her fucking jaw That was before though.
28:54 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I understood that Viltramites could have their guts just torn out and they'll hop right back up two days later
29:00 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, basically as long as like you don't like pop their heart or like crush their brain or rip their spine out like as long as they get medical treatment, they'll survive anything.
29:11 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they get stronger when surviving a new death experiences it?
29:16 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it Dragon Ball Audric?
29:18 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, dude.
29:19 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's never explicitly shown or discussed, but like that's how it seems like it.
29:27 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:27 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he doesn't do like legitimate power scaling, which is something that we're Robert Kirkburn is at some very interesting takes on power scaling.
29:36 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I get it to a point like I do I mean it's like I think he thinks of power scaling as like the like the way that like internet like Reddit nerds talk about it where they're like
29:48 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because that he can destroy a building with one punch he can output like five mega tons of TNT of damage and what like not know like obviously no one actually cares about that but it's like you should have your your character should be consistent at their strength.
30:05 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there should be like.
30:06 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_02]: relative levels to everything that we can at least, you know, we can confidently say that tech jacket can't just fucking one punch the rag if she's having a good day, because that's kind of what it seems like sometimes.
30:19 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because, oh, I just becomes like the Superman issue where like he's the main character becomes as strong as you need him to be in that moment.
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
30:29 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Can we talk about how tech jacket was done dirty by the coalition of planets?
30:33 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_04]: They should have given her enough of that Viltromite weakening juice to last her throughout the whole battle.
30:40 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she should have landed some more shots.
30:42 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I love how they're like, we really need this for Thrag and then she uses every single one on like no name Viltromites.
30:51 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_02]: She uses one on a no name Viltromite that's got a fucking ragnart charging at it.
30:58 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I swear like every time she used it, Allen was like yo, like use those more carefully.
31:07 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:07 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:09 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just just wild.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get our line up here for the C. John Viltrum.
31:14 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_04]: We've got on the coalition side, Fadis, the Grayson family, Allen, tech jacket, battle beast space racer.
31:21 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Am I missing anyone?
31:22 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's it.
31:26 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I think you've got everyone, and they need to take down every remaining filter might in the universe.
31:35 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_04]: That's essentially their task for this episode.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And one of them is Thrag.
31:40 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, their mission was to, I thought the whole thing was like kill Thrag.
31:45 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think they were stuck at off.
31:48 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:49 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But,
31:49 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, their optional goal is to kill as many as they can, just because who wants a walking nuke going through the universe?
31:59 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:00 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And they did kill like 10 filtramites in this episode.
32:03 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, space racer got like three, uh, the ragnar's killed a few, the, there was more than that though, right?
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Alan, upper cut of dudes is like,
32:15 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how many specifically died in this battle, but I know in episode 8, I think it was Thrag who was like 30-37.
32:29 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
32:29 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_04]: 37 Viltramites left in the whole universe.
32:32 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if he was counting like Omni Man and Mark in that.
32:35 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he might have just been talking about his own.
32:37 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably Omni Man and Mark, but try not Oliver.
32:40 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't think that Thrag even considers Oliver to be a Vultim, I think he barely considered.
32:45 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, no, I think he's pretty impressed by Mark.
32:48 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he considers Mark to be Vultimite.
32:51 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_02]: At least good enough, yeah.
32:53 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I liked the little break from the fighting that they took when Thrag absolutely launches Nolan on to Viltrum and gives him his little speech about come back or family, all will be forgiven.
33:05 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_04]: All you got to do is lay down your arms and come join me.
33:08 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that was the turning point in Nolan's eyes where he was like, okay, Viltrum's got a fucking go.
33:17 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_04]: That, and I think that Thrag might have successfully planted some doubts about fetus and the coalition of planets' intentions into Nolan's head.
33:26 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_04]: When he brings up, do you really think that fetus is going to let you and Mark and all of her just go as filter-mites in this universe?
33:35 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
33:35 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a genuine question that Nolan has to think about.
33:39 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I we as the audience know that answer, and I think that the answer is no.
33:43 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think
33:46 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Now it all fell matter.
33:48 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it doesn't really matter because fate is gets decapitated by frag.
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just a little while later.
33:55 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Dad, my, my, my jaw is on the ground.
33:59 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because like I knew he was going to do something, but I didn't think he was,
34:03 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: He would have shocked Thadus and been fast enough to just rip his head clean off like that.
34:10 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a little more crazy than I expected.
34:13 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, especially since Thadus was the one who killed Argo, I made the very incorrect assumption that if anyone was close to Thrag in terms of power, that it would be Thadus, maybe Omni Man.
34:26 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_04]: But that was just so incredibly wrong Thadus gets
34:30 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
34:31 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the the first time we see drag fight in the comics is like when a Mark tries to punch him in the head and he literally like turns his fist to jelly Oh, by just punching him in the head.
34:46 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god
34:47 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like how threatening and intimidatingly made Thrag this season too, like the fact that Mark will mark like run flies up in punches him like that should have some force behind it from what we've seen out of Mark and the fact that Thrag is just kind of just kind of taking it and there's no visible damage on him in any way shape or form is insane.
35:11 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:12 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I was just going to say I really liked the characterization that they did with Thrag where he's just standing or not standing there.
35:20 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_04]: He's floating out in space watching the battle happen.
35:23 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I would have been a little bit confused on why he was just standing back and letting everyone fight while he stands off to the side if they hadn't shown us the flashback at the beginning of the Great Purge where he does the same thing.
35:35 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He likes testing people strength
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_04]: and what's going on with the people that are fighting for him.
35:44 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:44 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's nothing I could have told you guys to prepare you for how strong Thrag was.
35:50 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when I was reading the comics, it was like getting Hela build up to Thrags like actually fighting.
35:57 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I was shocked.
36:00 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what the heck?
36:01 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: How are they ever beating this guy?
36:04 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
36:04 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_04]: As soon as the fraud allegations started coming out, I bought into it.
36:09 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like,
36:11 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_04]: everyone says he is, they make a joke about it.
36:15 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I think in this episode on the way there, we're all of us like, yeah, there's no way the student lives up to it.
36:21 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the reports all say that he lives up to the highest.
36:24 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I still didn't believe it though, because there's like,
36:28 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_04]: the level of power that they've already put on Viltromites.
36:33 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't think that there was a way to top that meaningfully.
36:36 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh, he's going to punch a little bit harder.
36:38 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to be stronger than the other one.
36:41 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_04]: But this guy is genuinely, he might as well be a different species.
36:46 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_04]: His power is just so out there in terms of what other Viltromites can do.
36:51 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they couldn't even make him like wins, truly.
36:54 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_02]: What I was expecting is like, he kills space racer, maybe he kills all of the ragnars that come up against him and that's how they showed that he's stronger.
37:03 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I like, I figured that was gonna be it for like deaths.
37:07 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I was ready for the super laser to bounce off him.
37:10 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen that fucking space racer panel.
37:13 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of space racer, space racer is actually like one of the characters that used in the comics that display how strong Bragg is because when they introduce him and the Infinity Ray, he gives this whole wish to be all about like how he needs to be very careful when he shoots it because it goes on for Infinity and like,
37:34 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Every time you shoot it, there's a chance that it hits a star and causes a supernova.
37:38 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: His motorcycle, like his spaceship motorcycle thing, is like extremely fast.
37:45 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the comics, space racer is like flying and drag catches up to him and is like as fast as him in an instant.
37:54 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: and Space Racer is so scared that he's just spamming his gun trying to shoot Thrag, but he can't hit him.
38:02 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's wonderful.
38:04 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That's very fitting to show that Space Racer knows he's going to fucking die if Thrag gets him and he's just ready to potentially destroy hundreds of stars.
38:18 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_04]: At first, I was like, why aren't they mass producing this infinity label shit, but then I thought about it for a minute and I was like, oh, they really, that would be the end of the universe if they started making more of these everything would just be yeah like if we're talking about space stuff that this thing could hit look let's just go to it a black hole right.
38:40 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what happens that there?
38:42 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Does the black hole just fucking explode and everything dies or what?
38:47 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_02]: What do we do there?
38:48 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_04]: While we're talking about space racer, I think this is a good time to bring up that he is pretty instrumental in the destruction of Viltrum.
38:58 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_04]: He shoots his little ray and then we have Mark Nolan and Thetis blasting through the planet at top speed to world crack this motherfucker.
39:09 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_04]: They are the Death Star.
39:11 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought that was another scene that was just absolutely insane.
39:16 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was really good symbolism having it be Thetas Nolan and Mark, because you know, you got Thetas representing like old Viltram kind of and the coalition.
39:26 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Then you've got Nolan is like, you know, used to be a pure Viltramite.
39:34 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, actually, I want you to search up the image from the comics of when they like,
39:41 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: exit the planet because they did not do it justice in the show that it is like they've they did the drawing is so good.
39:51 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm looking at it right now where if you search a vultrum destroyed, it should be like the second image.
39:57 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it the panel where the world is like exploding from the bottom?
40:01 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:02 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that it would have been cool if they had done it a little bit worse.
40:06 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that a lot better than the way they did it in this show.
40:09 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just like the immediate brim stone and fuggin flames.
40:15 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I like to everyone's reaction to it almost as much as I like the actual destruction.
40:19 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I particularly lukin who, I don't know how this guy is becoming a fan favorite villager might.
40:25 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: People just like Luke and because it's how he is in the comics.
40:29 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but he's becoming a fan favorite and him looking at Viltrum with the with the puppy dog eyes was perfect.
40:37 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually saw that image at like 10 a.m. the episode the day that episode released and I was really mad because I I saw that in the caption was like, yeah, Luke and that that's your planet getting destroyed like what what I have to see that at the before I even had a chance to watch the episode.
40:56 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Now I've got a real, a real query for y'all.
41:00 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Did they do the right thing destroying Viltrum?
41:04 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I honestly, like, what do you mean, like, is it morally wrong?
41:08 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess, is that the best path for that they could have taken?
41:13 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, yeah, probably.
41:17 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have a base of operations anymore.
41:19 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, it's a little different from like killing a planet that's inhabited.
41:25 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, who's on the planet getting destroyed, you know?
41:30 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you telling me that all those, that those, okay, 50 Viltramites, they're living on that planet.
41:34 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_04]: They have an empire.
41:36 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't have any innocent workers living on Viltram, keeping up those gardens.
41:40 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't have millions upon millions of slaves like trying to keep things up.
41:45 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
41:46 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the millions of innocence might have just died on Viltram when they did that.
41:51 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Based on what we saw when Nolan and Thrag went there about it looked pretty like yeah I'm trying to show the whole thing is it is as like it's essentially abandoned I'd assume like maybe Thrag's got like a nice throne room somewhere You got to think they have like thousands of conquered worlds like they don't
42:13 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: like the only thing they go to Viltrum for is like just because it is like just to like basically it's home yeah like all their resources are accumulated through other conquered planets yeah i mean Viltrum was a complete wasteland there was nothing there except for the bones of old cities in shit yeah so like i don't think like they're likely not killing innocent people destroying the planet and the planet
42:43 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_02]: is basically just used as a home base for evil people.
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was a horrible thing to do.
42:50 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of crazy.
42:51 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I guess my yard, you know, my answer, but it is dependent on whether or not there was anyone else on Viltrum.
42:58 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Mark already feels bad about having destroyed a planet.
43:02 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't, I don't think this show is going to be in that.
43:05 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's worried that destroying the planet
43:11 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: brought more bad than it has, brought good.
43:14 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's more just worried about the consequences, yeah.
43:17 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, less about the fact that he destroyed a planet, more about like, I destroyed Thrags Planet, and Thrag is a monster.
43:26 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Can we teach the costume designers in the invincible universe how to make shirts fireproof as well as pants?
43:33 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like we got to unlock that technology sometimes soon to make the whole super suit fireproof.
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because...
43:41 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he didn't have a shirt on after they destroyed the planet, right?
43:44 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the whole thing is like going through the planet would break their clothing, but I don't think they wanted to draw the naked.
43:50 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_04]: No, yeah.
43:52 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Which is just funny.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I get that they were trying to show it.
43:55 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it was really hard it burned off their clothing.
43:57 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_04]: But when it's only half I'm like, you could have just...
43:59 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_04]: said that the whole suit was resistant to that.
44:03 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And it would have been fine.
44:05 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a dude that shoots a beam that can go on through infinity.
44:10 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's not crazy to say, yeah, they can make, they can make clothing that can resist really hot temperatures.
44:17 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it really just ruins my suspension of disbelief when they're flying through the
44:26 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_04]: That's really where the science gets messed up for me.
44:29 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just... Should we talk about Oliver being a dumbass again?
44:34 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, yeah.
44:35 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Every five seconds on TikTok, I get a TikTok say.
44:38 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Being like Oliver the Pico seconds, someone could literally turn him into space dust.
44:44 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Still like Oliver, Oliver, when he's fighting the guy who's power is to kill Oliver.
44:49 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And he decides to go in alone.
44:52 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Every three scrolls, I swear to God.
44:55 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_04]: This kid's never going to learn, but I guess he's okay, and he gets shipped off to Taleskria to recover a little bit, so hopefully the back to tank gives him his drawback.
45:09 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_04]: and his arm back.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all I've got to say about Oliver.
45:11 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_04]: This kid's pissing me off.
45:13 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He really is.
45:14 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I just confused on how Nolan recovered faster than Oliver when Nolan got an arm through his freaking guts.
45:25 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we can...
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: No one's up your velter might.
45:31 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess, yeah, I guess that you could make that awesome thing wish like because I guess the threxons were pretty like they seemed pretty weak so like maybe they have shitty or healing.
45:42 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know.
45:43 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna spit ball until something sticks.
45:46 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a good enough explanation for me.
45:48 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he doesn't have the full Viltromite blood in him yet.
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_04]: He'll get there when he's out growing his purple.
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one day he won't be purple anymore.
45:58 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Boo.
45:59 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Oliver's not the only one who gets left in shambles.
46:02 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Like Richard said, our friend Nolan gets Viltromite chopped through the stomach.
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Mark gets the ship beat out of him by Thrag and Thrag.
46:09 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_04]: He has a moment where he shows a little bit of mercy.
46:12 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_04]: towards these fellas and says that enough filter might have blood has been spilt on this day.
46:19 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Is this a genuine emotional reaction or is he just playing games?
46:23 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's playing games, but I think if he'd taken more than like five seconds to think about it, he probably would have gone back to just beating the ever loving shit out of them because like I get where he's coming from, but at the same time,
46:39 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: These are like the only threats in the universe to you, you might like from his standpoint, it makes less sense.
46:48 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think he views him as a threat after turning them into ragdolls.
46:55 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess, but like they have the greatest potential, I guess, to be a threat.
47:00 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that Thrag needs Mark and Nolan for something.
47:09 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Thrag has the beginnings of his earth idea in his head at this moment.
47:14 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that he wants to use Mark as his proxy for like dealing with earth.
47:19 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you know, I think he's when he was about to kill Mark.
47:22 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He like realized he's like, wait, no one created one of the strongest living
47:34 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should go there and recreate the Viltramite Empire, which the method of doing that is just absolutely great.
47:45 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll get into it when we start talking about the next episode, but
47:50 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_04]: just a wild plan that he's got with that being said, shall we talk about, don't leave me hanging here?
47:57 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:58 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
47:58 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Mark is readjusting to his post-war life and he's dealing with a lot of hallucinations and anxiety about his family and it seems like they're doing a little bit of a storyline here where Mark is going to have to recover from some post-traumatic stress disorder
48:20 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_04]: this leads me to my major complaint about this episode and the downfall of William.
48:27 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_04]: When the whole crew, the teenager crew from past seasons is back together on the college campus and they're walking around and Rick, William's boyfriend, notices that Mark is maybe going through some PTSD and having
48:45 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_04]: some trouble.
48:46 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_04]: William's like, how do you know that as if he doesn't know that his boyfriend went through like years of recovery and had a whole storyline in a previous season about dealing with PTSD when he asks, like, how do you know that?
49:02 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you know what he's going through?
49:03 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, this is so stupid.
49:05 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_04]: We know how we know the answer to this.
49:08 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_04]: William LeBottamy is insane, dude.
49:11 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually.
49:12 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's just because Sinclair got to William too.
49:16 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
49:17 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Fucking Sinclair, man.
49:18 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, get this guy out of here.
49:20 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you guys have any thoughts about this storyline?
49:23 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I got faked out with the first Debbie.
49:25 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_02]: The first one got me.
49:26 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything after that, I kind of figured.
49:29 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it got me too, because those PTSD scenes weren't in the comics.
49:34 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, interesting.
49:35 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I do like some of the most of the changes that they're making from the comics.
49:39 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it seems like everything they're doing is serving the plot a lot better.
49:43 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that the way that they handled Mark and Eve reuniting and dealing with the abortion storyline in this episode was done very well.
49:55 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think particularly showing Mark sort of beating himself up for not being there for Eve.
50:02 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's exactly how
50:04 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Mark would be reacting in this situation and, you know, it's, it's a tough situation because Eve obviously is not blaming Mark for not being there, but at the same time, him not being there did make things harder for her, and that's just the reality of the situation.
50:22 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_04]: He wasn't there to support her.
50:23 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing that he could have done differently, but it doesn't make it any easier on the two of them.
50:34 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
50:34 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think they're both trying to be very understanding more so Eve is trying to be comforting towards Mark.
50:42 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the one thing that I maybe didn't like so much as that Mark takes this difficult situation where he is maybe should be there for Eve at this moment and sort of turns it on himself and is like, oh, but I wasn't there and it forces Eve to have to be the one
50:58 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_04]: to comfort him.
50:59 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_04]: When they should really be more like 50, 50.
51:02 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, everything.
51:04 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Which there was a lot of, it was very, it went both ways.
51:08 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they were both trying to be there for each other as much as possible.
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Mark is just in a bad space at the moment.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
51:14 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
51:14 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_04]: How, how did this storyline hit you guys?
51:18 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't chase, is this kind of the same way that it plays out in the comics or is this another example of them handling sensitive issues better?
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's essentially the same.
51:31 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
51:32 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in the comics there are a lot weirder about you've gaining weight.
51:36 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of figured that that was one of the holdovers from the comics.
51:41 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_04]: They turned Paul into a little bit of a loser, this episode.
51:44 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you supposed to do when your ex-girlfriend is bothering you at work?
51:50 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I've experienced it this one folks.
51:53 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I didn't appreciate the way that Paul was like,
51:56 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay.
51:58 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_04]: We're just friends now.
51:59 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing that can be done about it.
52:01 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_04]: He just kind of came off as a little bit of a loser and I don't think Paul is like that.
52:07 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Paul will be missed.
52:09 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Paul is going to be, but who knows?
52:11 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_04]: He might be in the next season as a support character for
52:15 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Mark.
52:15 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_04]: He's got a key to the house.
52:16 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he'll check in on things every now and then.
52:18 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to wane the rock Johnson voice actor him.
52:22 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but he's going to be two minutes of episode five he'll get paid ten million dollars.
52:28 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was going to go higher than that.
52:30 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_04]: The whole episode's budget is just for the rock was just stick figures.
52:36 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Jesus Christ.
52:38 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I figure with the turtle neck and a blazer were present at level.
52:42 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
52:44 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about the GDA and Cecil we already talked briefly about Sinclair, but Sinclair royally fucks up the dimensional experiment that's meant to bring robot and monster girl back from the Flax and Dimension, and this leads to Cecil just canceling the whole project monster girl.
53:03 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_04]: and robot, they're on their own.
53:05 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_04]: They gotta figure out a way back from Flaxa together without the GDA's help.
53:11 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about Cecil abandoning them, Chase?
53:17 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, didn't seem like you had much of an option.
53:21 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_04]: That Octopus monster really got him.
53:24 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It also does make sense though, cause like, it's it's Rudy.
53:29 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, and I will not be calling him Rex.
53:32 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Rudy.
53:32 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the guy that figured out how to clone himself a new body.
53:35 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Put his consciousness into, like I said in the figure of that part out.
53:38 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But like he's smart, and he has access to probably more advanced tech than the GDA has.
53:44 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So he should be able to cobble his way out of that.
53:47 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I didn't understand in the, this dimensional experiment scene.
53:51 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why nobody asked sinclair.
53:54 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_04]: How do I shut this thing down?
53:55 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_04]: They, they spent so long like paused on, uh, don't old, just looking at the controls, not knowing what to do.
54:03 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, sinclair is in the air.
54:05 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he wouldn't have answered, but no one even really tries to.
54:08 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or like, I feel like when you're doing stuff like this, you have to design like a big red button that says in big words,
54:16 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_02]: or emergency stop, just having worked in a place that has deadly machines, everything has an emergency stop that's so clearly labeled you cannot miss it.
54:27 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
54:28 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Suspension of disbelief type shit.
54:30 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_04]: But Donald does his thing, he uses his robot fist to get the control panel, and thankfully, that shuts down the experiment.
54:38 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:39 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciated that Cecil was understanding of Mark's situation when he comes back and offers to help him find therapy.
54:48 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_04]: He, you have Mark who is asking like, are those therapists still available?
54:53 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And Cecil is like, yeah, we got you covered.
54:55 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll help you out here.
54:56 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_04]: I, yeah.
54:57 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
54:58 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a nice little moment.
54:59 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that Cecil can be empathetic when he's trying to be.
55:03 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was expecting a very different reunion though, given that Mark did run into a current quest.
55:10 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of thought we were going to see.
55:12 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_02]: something with that, but maybe maybe not, maybe we can just let bygones be bygones with that one.
55:19 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I don't think they're going to let that one go.
55:21 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Mark is going to have a conversation with Cecil next season.
55:24 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's going to be probably.
55:26 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Mark gets pissed off at Cecil about something completely different.
55:30 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And then is like, by the way, why the fish did I run into that request out there?
55:34 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had a pretty interesting day.
55:36 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Guess who I ran out ran into out in space.
55:40 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And Cecil is going to be like, are you sure?
55:42 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Would you guys think about Cecil and Nolan having their little conversation at the Mark Grayson Memorial Crater?
55:50 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was cool.
55:51 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that they keep going back to the creator for like important discussions.
55:56 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I shouldn't say keep because I think this is only the second time we've seen it since since the creator was formed.
56:01 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But it serves as a good parallel between Mark when he was there in season two and now Nolan being there thinking about kind of similar things.
56:12 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I got similar events, but from a different perspective of course is great.
56:16 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
56:17 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Once again, he feels in time up to fucking forgiveness and he's just not there.
56:21 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he does the same thing with Debbie later in the episode where he's like, you have to give me a chance.
56:28 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Look, I'm trying to do the right thing.
56:30 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just this whole mindset of he's redeeming himself.
56:34 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to let him, you have to let him do his thing, you have to let him be a good person and forgive, forgive him and let him be better.
56:40 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that Nolan needs to learn that nobody owes him forgiveness, especially when he's done all this terrible terrible shit, maybe someday he'll earn it from people, but until then he's just got to do the right thing and be content with the fact that
56:57 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_04]: He's doing the right thing and trying to make up for it without having everyone fall over him and say, oh my God, you're the best person ever.
57:05 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_04]: You were so evil.
57:06 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_04]: You could have been so bad and destroyed 13 planets, but instead you only destroyed 12.
57:12 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_04]: He's just got to get a little bit more humble.
57:16 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got to understand that it's just going to take time and that he can't just brute force it by saying, well, I'm trying to change.
57:24 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have to just
57:26 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_04]: roll over to bad that approach is kind of working for him so far so I don't know if he's going to learn that lesson.
57:33 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you'd think though.
57:35 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_04]: You would, uh, the coalition is also setting up an early warning system for Vilchermites on Earth, but apparently they didn't set that shit up quite early enough because the Vilchermites are already on Earth.
57:48 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_04]: We are here.
57:48 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_04]: We are here.
57:49 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
57:50 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_02]: What was the point of telling him that?
57:52 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were, they were blended in, just, just stay blended in then if that's your goal.
57:57 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because I think the whole thing was like, if you act up, we're here to put you in check.
58:03 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I guess.
58:05 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And they would have figured out that there's a filter might's living on Earth eventually, right?
58:09 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, there's no.
58:11 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think there's a way to get around that.
58:12 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Eventually, Luke and her general crag or Anissa are going to take a little fly through the stratosphere and get found out.
58:21 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, bro.
58:22 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're pretty good at following orders.
58:25 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, this is my big question.
58:26 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess Chase, you can't really answer it, so this is gonna be more for Richard.
58:31 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_04]: But what are we thinking?
58:33 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Are these Viltromites going to remain loyal or are they gonna have their own little many Nolan moments where they find love on earth and feel differently about their place in the world?
58:46 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a case by case.
58:47 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Craig, Creek, Creek, not Craig.
58:53 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_02]: and Luke and our more likely to fold.
58:55 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that in this will.
58:58 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do partially know some comic stuff and that's sort of fueling my idea there, but not enough to make like a firm guess, really.
59:08 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, either.
59:09 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_02]: How about you, since you also don't know enough?
59:12 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I pretty much am on the same page as you.
59:14 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I think some of them are gonna fall in love with their life on earth and realize that there's a lot more to life and conquering planets and wearing cool eye patches.
59:24 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_04]: You can also ride a motorcycle.
59:26 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Dula still has the knife on her hair.
59:30 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I have to honor and walk it around the knife ponytail?
59:34 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like she could join the circus and do some tricks with that.
59:38 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, Viltramite Circus, they should all do that shit.
59:42 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I kinda like that idea.
59:43 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I, Robert Kirkman, deliver on this idea now.
59:47 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_04]: 10 part comic series of just Viltramite Circus and knife ponytail ladies are main character for the whole beat.
59:54 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost as long as the Rudy and Amanda in the Flaxon dimension.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't like that.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll prepare myself for next season to watch that unfold.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you gonna stand ready for it to rival?
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think anyone's standing ready for it.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's gonna be the whole season, right?
01:00:14 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You're lying.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're lying.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at least I hope it wouldn't be the whole season.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not giving me hope, Chase.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that they're gonna pull it off.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_04]: If this season is any indication of where the story is going, the writer's room is locked in at the very least.
01:00:32 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be the whole season, but I would not be surprised if it's at least two of it.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Like a mini arc kind of thing.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:43 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's all get ourselves ready and prepared.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And finally, you talk about what's happening with the coalition of planets.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_04]: This was, this was all post credit stuff, right?
01:00:54 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Ah, I think so.
01:00:56 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Alan, we see him taking his place as the new leader of the coalition in full now.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw him a little bit adjusting to his new role being pretty on the fence about whether or not he was going to be able to do it, but Talia gives him a little pep talk and hands him that message from
01:01:19 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm worried about what he's going to do.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's going to make the wrong choice.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's going to at least try to make the wrong choice.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean by that?
01:01:31 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm leashing it.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Is the wrong choice because status did say that there's a chance that it could hurt marks people.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm assuming he just means humans, like obviously.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would agree.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And like releasing a plague that could potentially wipe the world.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Allen is going to try to commit genocide against everyone on earth.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's going to be stopped.
01:01:57 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: That's your theory.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_04]: That's my theory.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a different theory.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's going to want to do it.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I think no.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want to.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he has to.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He and Nolan are going to debate it and try to figure out any other possible way out of it.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Nolan
01:02:14 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Nolan is going to do that stupid selfish bullshit where he's doing it for himself.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, because he thinks it'll make him better, feel better, whatever, and he's going to make the decision to unleash it.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is going to be the problem.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Or at least he's going to lead to convincing Alan to unleash it as like a, oh, I can make up for my mistakes if I do this.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's not gonna think about it fully.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I don't know.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that what we're going to see is very much Talia or the Coalition of Planets at Large, acting is the devil on Ellen's shoulder and pushing him to make that choice.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Although I think at this point, him and whatever scientists we're working with Fades are the only ones who know.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think Talia even knows that the Scourge virus still exists out there.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure it's like kept under wraps for now.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure he's going to tell Talia I don't I think they're very much a no-secret's kind of couple especially given that they're both pretty high up in the coalition of planets.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Alan's going to keep that from her and they made another stupid fucking sex joke.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_02]: She can sex it out of him guys.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_02]: See how they see how they made another one of those stupid fucking jokes.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I don't know why I don't know why they were so obsessed with those jokes in this season but funny is joke of the season or bit of the season is when they're all
01:03:34 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And Techjack, it's trying to talk to Nolan and Mark, it is just like you guys fucking saw it.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_04]: The fact they were just staring off into a space and ignoring her was really...
01:03:46 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_04]: It was pretty funny, and she had that bowl of soy-linked green in front of her genuine, like, protein salop.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_04]: She had looked at her.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Protein tubes.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Protein tubes.
01:03:58 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I know you can't comment on any of this Allen stuff, but I guess did you think that this was adapted well?
01:04:06 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, with that, are there any last plot points that we haven't covered that anyone wants to bring up and talk about?
01:04:13 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Not plot points, but I'm happy that I'm a man, Nolan, whatever, didn't end up putting his armor on to be at the end there that would have been like.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of repressive, or it up, given that the whole season is about how he needs to take his time, that would have been so smooth, grow.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:36 [SPEAKER_02]: No, the whole season is about how he can take his time and understand it.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I know you're kidding, but I also know that there's people out there who aren't kidding when they say that.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think he did the right thing, right?
01:04:44 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Not reaching out, not reaching out.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I really, I still don't like the idea that the two of them are going to get back together.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it's just, it's inevitable, but I don't, I don't like it.
01:04:57 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say from what we talked about last time and what Chase told us about how they're just kind of like, fuck Paul in the comics.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: This is at least better.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not an instant take back, despite everything he's done, that's good, at least they're developing it differently.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Richard, do you want to start us off by giving the fine people at home your professional review?
01:05:21 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Very, very professional.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We already talked on a lot of this stuff, so I'm really just going to name drop it and move on past it.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think this has been an amazing season, but the main issues for me were the animation.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, other than that, still my favorite season so far, there was so much going on in the ward, there were crazy fight scenes, there was good character development, good character, like moments and the animation did shine at moments, but my biggest issue is the mole.
01:05:56 --> 01:06:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Like bigger than the animation is that fucking mold thing because that's the story is so good.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how they could just have it not build into something more interesting than that.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But other than that guy was interesting.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, data twin number two.
01:06:11 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It reminds me of like the randoms in attack on Titan.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Survey Corps member number 39 that just gets eaten two seconds after they appear on screen But yeah, I'll give this season a 9 out 10 as a whole, but these episodes were amazing and so they're they're sitting at a 9 and a half for me Who dated twin number two top 10 representations of betrayal?
01:06:35 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna see that shit in the slides show.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure to send it to you
01:06:41 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Chase, do you want to tell us all about how much you love to date a twin number two?
01:06:46 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not seeing him in your, uh, in your little review at all.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'll get you an all get to it.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, are you better?
01:06:53 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm waiting.
01:06:54 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This season has been great overall with many highs and a few lows, which I'll be starting with, uh, the animation.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just all be honest here.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Animation and art this season, not up to stuff.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we were whole budget on half of one episode and it wasn't even the most important one.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm talking about the Kong Quest episode.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that that episode looked and that fight looked great.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You're lying if you think that that episode deserved the best animation instead of the fucking fight with drag and blowing up Viltram episode.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest, everyone.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_02]: After you had us look at the panel from destroying Viltram, I think that that should have been a big budget.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The other low
01:07:55 --> 01:07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the fourth episode of this season, we're not even going to talk about it anymore than that.
01:08:00 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But even with those lows, they have outdone themselves with the voice acting and actual storytelling.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll give these episodes 9 out of 10, and that's generous.
01:08:13 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, and I'll give you the whole season 9 out of 10.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I personally do want to go on one little power scaling tangent.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I do agree that the, we talked about this a little bit in the last episode, just strength is a extreme inconsistency in invincible as a whole, just in the comics and the show.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's something that really does kind of take away from the story, because I mean, some episodes, Alan is
01:08:49 --> 01:09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: stronger than a lot of Viltramites, some episodes, he's just getting his cheeks clapped, doing absolutely nothing on the screen, you know?
01:09:00 --> 01:09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not enjoyable to watch fights like that and it's just like, oh, whatever this fight, or whatever the narrative calls for at this moment, that's how strong your character is.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a valid criticism.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it works that like that style of writing and whatever can work to like for instance if it's like that that's really our only hero and they power up like that like that is a little more normal I guess but like I don't know yeah when you're never sure what they can do at any given moment yeah it does take away from I don't know it's like the filter might drop to like
01:09:46 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Just make one thing consistent, please.
01:09:48 --> 01:10:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the filter might chop might be like the worst most agree just thing in the combat of invincible, because it really is like, there is no explanation behind it, so it really is just like, why would you ever ball your fist up?
01:10:08 --> 01:10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: and punch something when you could literally turn your arm into an indestructible blade.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That could cut through anything, but yeah, I'll let Aaron get with his segment.
01:10:22 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I was a little bit worried at the beginning of this season when they gave us harm.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that this season getting the filler obligation out of the way a little bit earlier worked in their favor.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that the second half of this season was just absolutely incredible.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't loved the show the way that I did in this season since probably the last couple of episodes of season one.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:52 [SPEAKER_04]: It just felt story-wise like a return to form.
01:10:53 --> 01:10:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say it's about as close to perfect as this show has gotten.
01:10:58 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_04]: It might even be better in some places than season one was.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they ran a real tight ship in terms of the story.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I won't rehash the animation complaints.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I agree with them.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they can...
01:11:14 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Amazon can do a lot better and give them a bigger budget and some more time, some more animators, whatever they need to make this a little bit better.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I think for what they have, they're doing their best.
01:11:28 --> 01:11:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But that being said, these episodes, I'm struggling here, but I think I've also got to go with that nine out of ten and then give the whole season in eight out of ten
01:11:44 --> 01:11:50 [SPEAKER_04]: and the circuits, those are the two detractors, but other than that, pretty perfect, and I loved it.
01:11:51 --> 01:12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: But with that, I think that we're going to start wrapping up today any final thoughts from the people before we say goodbye to everyone at home.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Chase, you didn't say anything about data
01:12:08 --> 01:12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think you, there's too much to say.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, well, all right, I'll see you guys every week.
01:12:16 --> 01:12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It was how important data twin number two is.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So when's our special episode on it?
01:12:23 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_04]: It'll be coming out probably in the next three to four business years.
01:12:28 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll probably come out on the what 30 second of May.
01:12:33 --> 01:12:36 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a good timeline, I think that we can do that.
01:12:37 --> 01:12:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And with that, and we are going to wrap up for today.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you to everyone for joining us, but before we let you guys go, just a quick shout out to everyone else in the network first and foremost, the ones who make everything possible, our parent podcast, The Lorehounds.
01:12:52 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_04]: They are currently doing some coverage
01:12:55 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_04]: The Daredevil show, they're doing mall coverage, they just wrapped up their pit coverage, which I believe that they have maybe one or two more episodes of post pit to talk about how the season as a whole went coming, so definitely stay tuned for that.
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01:13:28 --> 01:13:32 [SPEAKER_04]: They have their first episode about Gene Hackman now, looking at
01:13:32 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_04]: his career and just doing a little retrospective on a few actors who have passed away.
01:13:38 --> 01:13:41 [SPEAKER_04]: So definitely go check out all of these shows.
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