David and Jean dig into listener feedback on "Unbowed and Unbent," and the episode's most contested scene dominates the conversation. The community pushes back hard on the Harrenhal rescue sequence, with listeners arguing that Alice Rivers is far too capable and calculating to have genuinely needed saving, and that what looked like a damsel in distress moment may actually be Alice tightening her psychological hold over Aemond. The discussion also takes in Kristen Cole's arc and the community's feelings about his inevitable end, a tinfoil hat theory from the Dungeons 'n' Durags crew about how Ormond's assassins are getting so close to the Gold Cloaks, and some deep lore on Harrenhal's history courtesy of community members and Nancy Hand the Pod. The book corner closes things out with Jean weighing in on how the show's divergences from the source material are landing for readers and non-readers alike.
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00:19 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the lorehounds that your guides to the dance of dragons.
00:22 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_03]: This is our season three episode five feedback episode.
00:27 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm here my dear friend and co-host Jean.
00:31 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: How you doing?
00:32 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm doing good.
00:32 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm
00:39 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_05]: plague that is descended upon the city.
00:41 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I vote all of those things.
00:43 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
00:44 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you do for Legion air?
00:45 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you wear a mask or something?
00:47 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, no, actually.
00:50 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, you, because it's not person to person.
00:55 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
00:56 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_05]: And the droplets are, unless you know specifically, you're in a high
01:05 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_05]: area with a positive result, then yes, you should wear a mask.
01:10 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_05]: If you're working outdoors, and you're, you know, in some sort of gardening or cleaning and hosing and things of that nature, if you're building test positive, then yes, you should wear a mask.
01:23 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_05]: But it seems as if this legion is outbreak was not in the water systems of any of the buildings.
01:30 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And so you were able to still use your water, but it was in the cooling towers.
01:37 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:38 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the biggest difference.
01:41 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of people, unfortunately, close to 100 people now, yeah, contracted it and very upset the a few people have passed away.
01:52 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_05]: But they get it's this there's no masking you can if you want to I'm not saying to anyone do not mask You should mask COVID is going up by the way Great as it always does in in the summer months, so but yeah, you should not ask if you can if you want to I'm not an opponent of that, but if you're just walking around
02:17 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_05]: going from one store back home and you're not really in an area that has a positive test result then yeah I haven't been asking.
02:30 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's be near PSA for Legionnaires disease.
02:33 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, New York City residents come for the PSA state for the hot D-Lore.
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02:56 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: We also got some Patreon messages, folks posted on the Patreon, some of those who are subscribers.
03:01 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_03]: We also have the Discord, where there's an active conversation, and our hand of the pod
03:08 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_03]: collects it all and puts it into a fabulous document for us so that we can just quickly and easily run through all the various topics that everybody is talking about.
03:19 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Not everyone participates by email, not everybody is on the discord.
03:22 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is kind of a nice way for us to reflect back to the community.
03:25 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the topics that are being discussed.
03:28 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_03]: by you, our dear listeners.
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03:39 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_03]: John, you and I were talking last episode about like, do we ever subscribe to anything?
03:44 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And like the sad state of the fact that most people don't and it takes something like you, you've got to, there's some key or some sort of motivation to unlock the fact of going to some site, putting in your credit card thing.
03:57 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's, you know, marker, we're gonna, you know, it's, when you want to soda or, you know, some chips or I don't know, you buy something, you know, you go in the store, you buy it with podcasts, we're just broadcasting to you, right?
04:15 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no, you don't have to pre-buy the podcast.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And we just put them out.
04:21 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just available.
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04:24 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_03]: want to, you know, head over to Patreon and subscribe, subscribe for his little, for his short amount of time or as long amount of time as you want, if you got a bounce after a month or two, that's totally fine.
04:37 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're not going to, not going to worry about that stuff.
04:40 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: We just, we want you to feel like, hey, this is, you know, I'm getting good content here and I'm
04:52 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, their creativity and their effort acknowledged.
04:55 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all it is.
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_03]: That's an acknowledgement.
04:56 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, enough of that.
04:58 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Let us move along.
05:01 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_03]: How have you been reflecting on the episode so far this week?
05:10 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I still find that I think this was a great episode.
05:15 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I re-watched it, when did we record Monday or did our Monday?
05:20 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I re-watched it on Wednesday, and I still absolutely was totally, totally enthralled with
05:33 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_05]: the dialogue that we spoke about between, you know, Ray, Ray Nara and Damon, I just may spread out to the name, Sean, somebody might leave a comment, Ray Niera and
05:49 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, I'm just really, I just really like those, the two of them when they banter.
05:59 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_05]: I just think it's the best of the show along with Alasant and Rainy Era.
06:07 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I am a fan of these moments in the episodes where we're not fighting, if that makes sense, when I love the spectacle, you don't get me wrong.
06:21 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I think the fight sequences, especially from the first episode of the season were amazing.
06:28 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_05]: And I always love to see that because you know, I'm a big band, Paul Zwing type of guy.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_05]: There goes back.
06:34 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_05]: There goes back to your root there.
06:35 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
06:37 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think that the show doesn't skip a beat when it's not doing that.
06:43 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, like that conversation with Brunera and Damon at the in the sépt.
06:50 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that was dramatic is anything.
06:52 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I was laughing because they did just do Guy Javan was like, Oh, boring.
06:56 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, everybody knew like, Oh, yeah, we knew you were going to say that.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_03]: That's boring.
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It's boring that we knew that you were going to say boring.
07:03 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_05]: But I just, yeah, I enjoy that and I think again that the show doesn't necessarily
07:12 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_05]: when it's not giving us dragonfire, right?
07:14 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm cool with that.
07:16 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, you got some love on the Patreon, Samarshan, one of our long time, one of our OG subscribers.
07:23 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Samarshan, for all the many years of support.
07:26 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_05]: And thank you for the wonderful, yeah.
07:29 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to read you, please do.
07:32 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Love John's take on everything and super grateful to his co-hosting, the hot-dee coverage, massive fan of his hot-takes, honest reactions, and thoughtful commentary.
07:41 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_03]: More John, make some point.
07:43 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much that means a lot to hear that people do kind of enjoy my voice.
07:51 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a trip because we're putting out, we send these things out and we have no idea who's out there listening in the world and how they're reacting to stuff and and I'm very different from everyone else that you guys listen to.
08:07 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not saying I'm not steeping the lower, but, you know, I'm, you know, you're not afraid to tell somebody to kick rocks when they go.
08:22 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly exactly.
08:25 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, honest authentic takes are what we do.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
08:30 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what we do.
08:32 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, sub-zero, one of our also long time subscribers, and one of our community volunteers who helps us keep track of the show guide posted on the discord, saying, I'm really struggling with the season with the quality of the show, but with the stories of whole.
08:50 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate all these people.
08:52 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't care about any of their interests.
08:55 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm praying for a giant meteor to end it all.
09:00 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Say we're just telling you something else is let loose and you like it.
09:07 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I respect to take Definitely respect to take and I will sympathize because that's how I felt about season one I was like why am I doing this?
09:17 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Why am I making myself what I hate all these people?
09:21 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean don't get me wrong patty cosodines acting was phenomenal.
09:25 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Unbelievable.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_03]: but I just hated them all.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_03]: They were just all awful.
09:34 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I think one of the things that's saving it for me this season besides the pretty dragons, pretty dragons is having a clear bad guy in a warm und.
09:49 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_03]: and having these machinations and stuff that he's working on and giving us a little bit of mystery for the show and I think that having a clear antagonist, I think from a narrative structural standpoint, I think that that's one of the things that's helping me this season.
10:05 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: That's, I don't know, what else are you locking in on John?
10:07 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we've talked about it a bunch, but is there anything else that we haven't seen?
10:10 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I kind of agree with Sub Zero that I hate everybody.
10:15 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, they're terrible people are terrible and I especially hate them because of how they treat their children.
10:23 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I get it.
10:26 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_05]: But I also agree that, you know, even though the message is struggling with this season,
10:33 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_05]: but not with the quality of the show, right?
10:37 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Not with the quality of the show.
10:38 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's what is really driving me this season.
10:43 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I just think that, yes, these characters are terrible.
10:49 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_05]: But it is so engaging to watch them be terrible to each other in the reason that I hate them.
10:56 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not so much that they're terrible to each other, but they're terrible to their family, to their children.
11:02 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Where, and that is what is hitting really hard for me this season, just how they're not present and not there.
11:16 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_05]: in the way that I would want a father and a mother to be there.
11:22 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is the result of that.
11:24 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
11:24 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_03]: How that plays out over the years, the days and years and months.
11:28 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
11:28 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_05]: So I agree.
11:30 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Hate these people, but the quality of the show is is undeniable in me.
11:35 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_05]: And it looks good.
11:36 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_05]: The show is looking good.
11:37 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Like visually.
11:38 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
11:38 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_03]: That too.
11:39 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_03]: That too.
11:40 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
11:41 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we got a voicemail from Julia F. Let's take a listen to that.
11:46 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for sending in Julia.
11:49 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, hi.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to keep this quick.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't run it out.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_04]: This is Julia, Julia.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, up with my dogs.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_04]: You might hear her sniffing in the background.
11:58 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I was just listening to a different podcast and I was talking about
12:02 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_04]: when Aegon stabbed with some fires, scale, and I'm not new to Game of Thrones, but I'm new to the lore, so I've been learning stuff recently, and I believe it takes blood to like births.
12:16 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_04]: The dragon, so I was wondering two things one.
12:20 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think the blood that a man caused will be tied to like a figure having a baby?
12:28 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Bigger or do you think a guy just thinks blood that he just made with the scale will help bring some fire back?
12:36 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_04]: don't know, just some thoughts.
12:38 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_04]: This is fun to think about.
12:39 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I love mythology.
12:41 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I love that it's still kind of new to me.
12:42 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know, I don't want to look too much stuff up.
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I don't spoil it.
12:47 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And don't look like it.
12:48 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just going to say goodbye and say that you guys are great.
12:52 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And the reason you get messages to the contact and don't like is because I don't check me mail.
12:58 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you so much.
13:00 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Take a kick.
13:00 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
13:01 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_03]: there.
13:01 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Julia.
13:02 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_03]: If I know email is a curse as much as it is as a blessing.
13:07 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, with Game of Thrones house of the Dragon, Westeros, Planetos, or
13:16 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_03]: it's so easy to get spoiled when you search first stuff.
13:20 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It is terrifying.
13:21 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of why we have the show guide.
13:23 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_03]: My Nancy puts so much work into keeping that up because it's a non-spoilery resource.
13:28 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_03]: You can check in on characters and dragons and things like that who's that actor, what not, without getting spoiled.
13:36 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Because the moment you put something in, especially with the auto LLM search result thing that spits out at you and stuff, you can
13:46 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely be careful with with searching anything on the internet.
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_03]: In general, I think that's a that's your second PSA.
13:53 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Good rule.
13:54 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Watch out for religion airs disease and careful when you search the internet.
13:58 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
14:00 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the lower hounds we love to love to take care of our community.
14:04 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_03]: John, do you know anything about dragon physiology and so it's stuff?
14:11 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I've always thought that blood magic was how the dragons were originally made, but with the Targaryens that we see specifically is that the eggs are placed in the crib, right?
14:27 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_05]: And the warmth of the body and also the recognition of Targaryen blood, whether that blood
14:38 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure if, you know, a babe was, you know, prick to have a trickle of blood on the egg, or if just the nearness of the Targaryen blood was enough for the egg to hatch.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's the nearness.
14:56 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Not you don't have to actually put the blood of the Targaryen child on the egg for it to hatch.
15:05 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_05]: but that's what I, I'm like 90% sure about that.
15:10 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Going back to the Game of Thrones thing, I always kind of, my head can't and was that that blood magic ritual thing with Cal Drogo and whatnot that those eggs were like so alert, they had been separated for so long from that kind of nurturing that you're
15:36 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_03]: something extraordinary to reinvigorate them somehow and to re-animate their spirit, their magical energy stuff.
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_03]: That was my head getting it.
15:45 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I'm not claiming that that's the truth.
15:48 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And in general with dragon lore in this world, you know, we all have different lore or his nations, I guess you could say.
15:59 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm of the persuasion where I kind of like the ambiguity
16:05 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_03]: that they haven't established clear set of rules, because that allows them to maneuver right and some create a freedom, but I also just kind of like, you know, these dragons are mysterious and they're big and,
16:21 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It don't really know how it works.
16:23 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Neither do they.
16:24 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_03]: It's our care, and it's don't know how it works.
16:27 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, they're just kind of like, well, we were kind of doing this, and it's kind of working.
16:31 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, let's just keep going.
16:33 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, do we really know how airplanes work?
16:36 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm not trying to be like some, you know, weirdo, trusorism, and like that.
16:39 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a lot of stuff in the world that, yeah, a few people know how it works.
16:42 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_03]: How are we, you and I recording right now?
16:46 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I know how to operate my computer, but do I really know how the electrons running through all these little nano gates and 1s and 0s actually works?
16:53 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's fricking magic, man.
16:56 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_03]: So I like having some ambiguity in my fantasy and sci-fi world, both from a creative, structural standpoint, but also just from a life is mysterious standpoint.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Thoughts?
17:08 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I think that
17:11 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, the Targaryens have at least in this era to have more knowledge than Danny that had as far as how to.
17:23 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, because they have an unbroken set of people history exactly.
17:27 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_05]: So there's more knowledge here.
17:29 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think with Danny, when she had to hatch the eggs,
17:39 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_05]: like the dragon eggs need heat, they need warmth right and they were cold for so long so that fire was really needed for them to to that maybe it was even blood magic maybe it was just the heat generated in the no I think it was the heat plus her okay absolutely I think she was integral to that as well but it's just that in in house of the dragon what we're seeing is the the need for that I don't
18:10 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_05]: because there's an unbroken line.
18:13 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a question.
18:19 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So in Julia's voicemail, she mentions blood on Sunfire's scale.
18:27 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Did a gun use the Sunfire scale to take out seduce?
18:36 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Or did she use it?
18:37 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't actually remember.
18:39 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I got it.
18:39 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I got to rewatch that Because if he did use senfires Scale that I don't know that's kind of cool.
18:47 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of cooler.
18:48 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she's using like a a little dagger or something Got to rewatch that to pay attention to those particular scenes definitely and I don't know anything specifically
19:01 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_03]: But I can't believe that they would give us egg-on saying that sunfires alive and then not have some fire like pop up later on down in the in the season of run.
19:13 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like that would be a crazy thing to drop as a piece of dialogue and set up for the show and then deny us all that.
19:20 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So I am making the assumption that sunfire is not dead.
19:26 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think Sunfire is a commotose, but also the, the body is not decommotive and not desecrated.
19:37 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
19:38 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_05]: So that has to mean something.
19:41 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_05]: That has to mean something.
19:42 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_05]: No one's cut a piece of Sunfire.
19:45 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_05]: No one's taking anything from the body's a claw scale.
19:53 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, at least one dude did anyway.
19:56 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
19:56 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the owner of the or the the the pairing of that that dragging right so I have to believe that some fires not dead
20:05 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think Rocky's in and you might or might be an agreement on this particular point that Chief Stealer needs to come and burn everything down and claim the Iron Throne.
20:15 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Then he will have all the sheep sea wants.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Life will be so much better.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_05]: I wish Chief Stealer in charge.
20:22 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Wester would be so much better.
20:26 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_03]: The Dungeon didn't do rags, guys.
20:27 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_03]: We're joking about how sheep sea doesn't know how the Larian and so it was just like, what burn?
20:33 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, burn thinks, okay, yeah, everybody gets fire.
20:36 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_03]: as they should.
20:39 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so this one has been making the rounds on some other podcasts.
20:43 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't listen to a lot of other podcasts this week, but I heard this on at least one, and it's been popping up in some various places and on our discord.
20:55 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Michelle E on Patreon, Alice can look after herself.
20:59 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I took the rescue scene as her manipulating Aemon in some way.
21:06 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_03]: She comments about how he's doing much better, and it seems remarkably so considering his weakness beforehand.
21:14 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I also attributed this to her manipulating his health in some way.
21:17 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm giving her too much credits, question mark.
21:23 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And do you want to read the email from a leg ruby?
21:26 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.
21:27 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_05]: They're lovely in your house.
21:29 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't been listening to you guys for longer than I can remember, but I've never had the confidence to write in.
21:35 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, thank you for writing this.
21:37 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, thanks.
21:37 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a couple of fresh, fresh, fresh email, fresh email.
21:39 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_05]: We.
21:40 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_05]: It's easy.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_05]: It's easy.
21:42 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_05]: You can just do it.
21:44 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_05]: You did it and we really appreciate it.
21:46 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_05]: So thank you for this.
21:47 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_05]: However, I simply cannot say silent on this point.
21:52 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I will profess this by saying I have not read the books, so this is simply in my head cannon.
21:57 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Or is it gut cannon?
21:59 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It requires no thought.
22:00 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_05]: You just feel it in your gut.
22:03 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I never believe Alice Rivers actually needed savings.
22:06 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_05]: We still don't fully understand the extent of our powers, or what our ultimate goal is.
22:12 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think A-mon is just as much upon a hertress board as anyone else.
22:17 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Earlier in the episode A-mon says, I'm nothing without Vega.
22:22 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_05]: that line feels incredibly important.
22:25 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I think Alice recognizes his deepest insecurity and deliberately orchestates a situation where he has to rescue her.
22:33 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_05]: By doing so, she gives him the chance to prove to himself more than anyone else that he isn't nothing without his dragon.
22:42 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Even with a fresh stab wound, he defeats three attackers and emerges feeling empowered.
22:48 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_05]: To me, that isn't Alice being rescued.
22:52 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_05]: It's Alice tightening her psychological hold of a demon.
22:56 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_05]: She understands exactly what he needs to believe about himself and creates the perfect scenario to reinforce it.
23:03 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Rather than being a helpless victim, she's manipulating events to deepen his dependence on her.
23:10 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Fundamentally, I never believed Alice was ever truly in danger.
23:14 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much for creating the content that always improves the week, several times over.
23:20 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, thank you for this.
23:24 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm hoping that this is the case.
23:27 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's, uh, there's a couple more messages.
23:29 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
23:30 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me do as your lords really quick.
23:32 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we can talk about it.
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to get multiple points on here.
23:36 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
23:36 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_03]: As your lords says, I'm maybe given the writers too much credit at this point considering the amount of unnecessary to the, uh, plot sexual assaults that there have been this season.
23:47 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe I'm trying to have faith with this largely female centered show leadership.
23:52 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's my theory.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_03]: The entire Alice being damseled.
23:54 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
23:55 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a verb damseled.
23:57 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Seeing was either an illusion or fabricated.
24:00 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_03]: After seeing how she handled things the season, I don't think those random gray joys actually ghost the past hair and home.
24:09 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Just showed up like that where she couldn't defend herself.
24:12 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_03]: She knew the impact that Damon being able to save
24:19 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_03]: that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if this is just another unnecessary SA situation, but I'm hope I'm right, and there were some greater intention from this team.
24:31 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_03]: As your Lord adds, additionally, they haven't really shown Alice's perspective.
24:36 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_03]: on any of the smoke and mirror work she's been doing since last season.
24:41 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_03]: We only get to see weird things from other characters, witness or point of view.
24:46 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping one of these days we get that prestige reveal scene where we get to see her do her work like when Melisandra takes off her next necklace.
24:56 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
24:57 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a whole bunch of conversations on the discord people with that to each ease, some other folks, Marilyn, Arpukila, everybody's saying, oh, I hope she's playing the long game or there's no way that Alice didn't have a plan.
25:08 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_03]: When I first heard this theory, it kind of took me back a minute, but I'm liking it the more and more that I'm hearing it and people discussing it, thoughts from your point of view.
25:23 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about the scene and how utterly disappointed that we were getting dams old.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
25:30 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm happy to see that other people have picked up on it and said, oh, wait a minute, let's give some credit to the character, not credit to the writers.
25:42 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
25:42 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's something that really is important because folks are seeing
25:51 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_05]: the character in a way that empowers the character.
25:56 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I hope that the writers
26:00 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_05]: know this.
26:02 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_05]: You know that they have a character on their hands that no one expects to be treated in such a way.
26:10 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And that if we see that on screen, it's by design of her own.
26:17 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Right to her own ends.
26:20 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And that would be interesting.
26:22 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Getting damseled is not interesting.
26:26 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
26:28 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_03]: seen her with her own agency and like as your Lord pointed out, we don't know how Alice works.
26:36 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_03]: We saw her throw the stone earlier and that was a little indication of the hint.
26:41 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really liking this theory that more going on in this scene than we think and it would be
26:55 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_03]: what a fantastic manipulation of aim to to be the savior to save this this mommy figure brilliant if that's the reveal man that'll be great that'll be great really would be really would be and something new and something new character doing something new and different that breaks our our expectations let's hope
27:18 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we have hope?
27:19 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's hope.
27:19 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's hope.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_03]: We have hope.
27:21 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
27:22 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do this.
27:23 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a quick break.
27:24 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And when we come back, I got to pick up another tinfoil hat theory that I heard over on the Dungeons and do I podcast.
27:32 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
27:33 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
27:50 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're back.
27:50 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so I haven't finished there episode for this episode, but JD dropped an interesting theory that
28:04 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_03]: the assassins, the dude with the main dude that was sitting at the head of the table and the dude that let the pigeon fly.
28:12 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
28:13 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Was one of the dudes on the battlements when Alice went up there to get them to stand down.
28:20 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So when you see Raniera coming on her dragon, don't shoot.
28:23 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And there was a couple of guys, there was a guy who was like this scorpion crew captain and then some other soldier there.
28:32 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_03]: that other soldier is this guy, so because his logic is, how do you get close to gold cloaks like this when they're expecting to be attacked?
28:44 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_03]: They're operating in pairs at minimum if not greater strength.
28:51 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you get inside close enough to them?
28:56 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_03]: that you can actually do something.
28:58 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So he was theorizing, maybe it's somebody who can sort of, hey, oh, hey, it's a Bob from the Watch Captains, you know, you know, unit B or whatever, right?
29:11 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's some sort of, you know, or maybe these are former Palace guards or Kingsguard, or, you know, people who have whose faces may be familiar or have some operational knowledge about how the security
29:27 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_03]: work within the red key.
29:29 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't had a chance to go back and and check those scenes yet, but I wanted to see what you're.
29:34 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I think that's a, that makes sense.
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_05]: That makes a lot of sense.
29:40 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_05]: that they would be able to get close to the gold cloaks because they've always been close to the gold cloaks, right?
29:49 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_05]: So that makes a lot of sense that they would know each other.
29:53 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And this is someone that they would see coming and not automatically think that this person is a threat.
29:59 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
30:00 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_03]: You could be stumbling down the street pretending to be drunk.
30:03 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And oh, hey, look, it's Bob from the, you know, the West Watch Tower, like when you've been up to since,
30:10 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And then you play the drunk man off as like, oh, and you stumble into him and whatever, and they don't see the threat coming.
30:17 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Because you can't spider ninja every single one of these guys, right?
30:22 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Eventually it's going to go wrong because they're working in twos and threes and stuff like that.
30:26 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So you're not going to get the drop on every single gold cloak every single time.
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_05]: You got to have some other deep or strategy.
30:33 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_05]: This doesn't make sense.
30:34 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
30:34 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, JD, you got that.
30:36 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_03]: You got credit over here on the main feed.
30:41 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, as something else, JD, if you're listening, argon gas is actually a noble gas.
30:48 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a atomic number is 18.
30:51 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And it has an approximate mass of 39.95.
30:55 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's found mostly in the Earth's atmosphere, about 0.93% of air by volume.
31:01 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_02]: There we are!
31:03 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a nerd.
31:04 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a nerd.
31:04 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a nerd.
31:05 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a nerd.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a nerd too.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I just found that out tonight.
31:10 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, so we have some love for Larry's coming in for I guess to die on our discord.
31:17 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm loving Larry's this episode.
31:19 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_05]: First, the verbal equivalent of Tyrion, Joffrey Slap, then the old brother, shake of the head when they gone, kills the gross, and leater to me.
31:32 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Sir, that was a good shake of the head, that was like, oh my gosh, this guy.
31:40 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_05]: got to just can't go and be what I wanted to murder somebody this guy.
31:44 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And he knows that you know, it's been building in Aga.
31:49 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is the frustration of being, you know, having to kiss the boot and all of this kind of stuff.
31:55 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And Tom Gling-Karni,
32:00 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_03]: He's getting a lot of love for his portrayals of this character.
32:03 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's a tough character to portray.
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think he's doing it really well.
32:07 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_03]: He's really leaning into the agonness of this character, right?
32:13 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_03]: This spoiled rich kid who's now, oh, yeah, in the world.
32:17 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, he's done a admirable job, modern admirable.
32:20 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_05]: He's done a really good job in this portrayal.
32:23 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope, I hope for, for,
32:26 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_03]: his sake that he's able to not yeah he's a this is a shorten of role in his career that he doesn't get uh get churned up with uh getting connected with that guy.
32:38 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Great.
32:40 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_03]: There's some love for Kristen Cole on the discord.
32:43 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_03]: This is unbelievable.
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I made you read it.
32:46 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I could read this.
32:47 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I could read this.
32:49 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I made it Love for This is from that to each All people I mean really
33:03 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Christian coal is such a good character.
33:06 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_05]: The emotional reactions to him are off the charts.
33:09 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_05]: No, they're on the chart.
33:11 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I will say they are friendly on the chart.
33:14 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_05]: The chart is one, eight, to 10.
33:20 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Really, really, really absolutely detestful.
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_05]: He, that's the chart.
33:25 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a one and there's a ten.
33:27 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
33:28 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the only chart on the paragraph, right?
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's on the chart.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the chart.
33:32 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
33:33 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_05]: He's firmly at the ten.
33:35 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, oh, there he is.
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my gosh.
33:39 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Davey Mack chimed in saying, I love the visuals of Kristen Cole being so small inside the footprint of the dragon, really effective visual storytelling.
33:48 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't, I don't wonder if that's not foreshadowing.
33:52 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the only better thing was if the dragon would have just squashed him right then and there as he looked up that would be great Dragons he hates dragons.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_03]: He hates dragons.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_03]: He hates dragons.
34:02 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_03]: He hates the target.
34:03 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he has reason to hate the Targaryens, but he hates dragons And he would be a dragon rider if he could he yeah agreed Because power right because colon power
34:18 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_03]: that his whole thing about them being sort of night race, it's gonna be manned a man, we don't need this, these stinking dragons.
34:29 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But ever since, what was it, wasn't Rook's rest, it was the first, I forget which battle it was, where he first saw the terrible power of dragons.
34:42 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It just, it just affected him so deeply in seeing.
34:48 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_03]: So many people die in that way, and this sort of undignified honor, you know, it's not like night's fighting kind of, you know, normal warfare stuff.
35:00 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just it just offended his sensibilities.
35:03 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And so for him to die by a dragon would be kind of a sweet poetic, you know, closing the loop so to speak on a narrative story telling standpoint.
35:13 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Dragon, sword, axe, poison.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't matter to you.
35:19 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Just cook them.
35:31 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Just let me look in his cold dead eyes, that's it.
35:36 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at you like Raniera looked at, or while, when she was like, damn, you cold blooded.
35:45 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to kill that like that?
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I am.
35:48 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
35:51 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to read IS today's message?
35:53 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, sure.
35:54 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_05]: The path to Cole's chat with G Wayne was laid really well.
35:59 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_05]: I believe his entire arc and where he is now.
36:02 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_05]: From the handsome gods he's done his introduction, all the way to crawling through the mud in brambles, like the beast he predicted they would become.
36:11 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Cole's state would make you think his speech would be inspiring, but he has the clarity of one who has seen the end.
36:19 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_05]: and that will certainly rouse some of the men, somehow I went from being annoyed every time he was on screen, to nodding and impress during that scene, at least he knows exactly what he wants and how to get there.
36:34 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't say that for anyone else, maybe you are one, but his path
36:46 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_03]: The, what, what I said I point out is how Kristen Cole is, you know, crawling through the mud.
36:53 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not it's not
36:58 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like the when they attacked the camp at night in the beginning, like that kind of stuff he was like envisioning and then he and now man, you're just a worm crawling through the mud and you know getting your objectives foiled Left right in center.
37:14 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's it's a great evolution of the character.
37:16 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
37:18 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Great evolution to see somebody so knows them fall so low and now we can all just gather around and wait for his demise
37:28 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_05]: This season or next, that's the question.
37:30 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_05]: How much longer is he going to hang on?
37:32 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
37:32 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I told you, the one of these two got to go.
37:35 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_05]: They got to be all mine.
37:38 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_03]: They got to hold on to hormones on next year.
37:40 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I looked man, one of them got to go.
37:43 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_03]: What?
37:44 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_05]: They can't do that.
37:46 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_05]: They both can't survive until next season.
37:48 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
37:49 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_05]: What if they teamed up?
37:49 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
37:50 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_05]: You can't do it in the same room.
37:52 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think they would like each other?
37:54 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't.
37:56 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know when we would look at this guy like who are you?
37:59 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially crawling through the swamp like that and you're up in my can.
38:02 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, smelling like that and I don't think so, my friend.
38:04 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And then you would be like who are your people?
38:06 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
38:06 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, right, right, right.
38:08 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Who are your people?
38:09 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
38:09 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Because you don't have to.
38:10 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Or a man cut.
38:11 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like that.
38:13 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_03]: They gotta go.
38:15 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... i was speaking of two people who might not like each other if we go back to the pain table out what was uh... they were they were coming up with some funny names was that episode three it was that was it was i don't have it up on the discord right now i don't know if you can if can you scroll real quick see if you can find some of those other i'm gonna find it
38:40 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... but uh... allegra had a postcript on their email uh... says what are you talking about regarding demon versus cold damed would have christ peace head before he could even draw his sword
38:57 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
38:58 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Huh?
38:58 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_03]: You agree.
38:59 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
38:59 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they knew it would win.
39:01 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_03]: See, my thing is, is that David would be drawing his sword to go for the swing and Cole would have already ducked low and rushed in in that sort of low wrestler grab.
39:11 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I get it.
39:11 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think you think he's reacting to you.
39:14 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think Damon clears him.
39:15 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I really do.
39:16 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
39:16 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I think Damon clears him.
39:19 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Fair enough.
39:20 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's, we can only hope to see, well, that's not the Pantin bowl though.
39:28 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the Damon versus Cole.
39:29 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that wouldn't be the Pantin bowl.
39:31 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_03]: No, right.
39:34 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you find those, let me, those other ones.
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, here it is.
39:37 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I see.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I found it.
39:38 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_03]: You found it?
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_03]: What's the, uh, the
39:50 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_03]: The dual of the tools, dragon time, DRA, GG, I end time, dual of the mother, ah, that's my, die hard versus try hard.
40:07 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I really love die lovers.
40:09 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_03]: It's try hard.
40:09 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_05]: And I really love the painting bowl.
40:12 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I love those two.
40:13 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I, I said, I is his hold in it down here on this one.
40:17 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, more for Maya Sedai.
40:19 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Hair and haul history corner.
40:21 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to hit this message up?
40:22 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_05]: A quick question about hair and haul.
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Does that seat actually rule over small folk?
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Are there any that we have seen?
40:32 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_05]: The Wiki says Heron Hall's holdings are some of the riches and restores, claiming vast tracks of green fertilizer lands, so I assume that there are people who work this land, but surely at its rivers does not want to rule over those people, correct?
40:46 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_05]: If she is all about the ancient history of the place and about stopping the destruction of the weird wood grove, then she wants to rule Heron Hall or be the steward.
40:55 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_05]: But what happens to all the people?
40:57 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess they would just live their lives as they are now by farming and trading without having to pay taxes to the Lord.
41:04 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Imagine that.
41:07 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a really good question.
41:09 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_03]: What is Alice going to do with hair and haul?
41:16 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_03]: You need people to operate the castle.
41:20 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you want to live in it by yourself.
41:22 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
41:23 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
41:23 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So many to feed goats and stuff.
41:26 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_03]: But otherwise, it's a big undertaking.
41:28 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And you need ties, you need labor.
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you need people.
41:31 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Like how you set up the economic system that sustains that, that's a different question.
41:36 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And how do you use the Catholic?
41:38 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Because the idea of the castle is that you have a defensible position.
41:42 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So when somebody else wants to come along and say, hey, we like these lands, we may take the lands, but we're not going to be able to take you because you're inside of this big wall fortress that has years and years worth of food storage.
41:54 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_03]: What is Alice going to do?
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
41:56 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing going to hang out and be connected to the, to the witchy witchiness of hair and all.
42:02 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
42:02 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a really good question.
42:04 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Just like we're asking like, what is ormond one with?
42:08 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Tumbleton, what is Alice want with hair and haul?
42:13 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's the thing, right?
42:14 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Because hair and haul, I think, hair and the black don't ask me why he's named
42:23 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think he was, he was, he ruined Harry and Hall.
42:28 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, he bankrupted the entire region.
42:33 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_05]: And he, the small folk, he really forced them into servitude.
42:39 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_05]: So there's a history with Harry and Hall that is not kind to the small folk.
42:49 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't think that, I don't think they,
42:53 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_05]: whoever sat on that seat had much to do with the going on with the small folk because eventually they all suffered horrible end.
43:08 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's like it's cursed almost at the totally it's cursed and we actually we have some follow-up Naked was laughing at the at the thought of the second group of cell swords climbing into Herron Hall was funny to him since they identified themselves as Iron Eye Islanders, which is some irony because of them breaking into black Herron's Hall.
43:33 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_03]: which Nancy handed the pod then was able to layer into more history.
43:38 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is from Nancy.
43:39 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Heron the black was an iron-born king.
43:42 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And remember those are the islands on the northwest coast up there.
43:48 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_03]: who will come in and in Reeve inland, who ruled over the Iron Islands and the Riverlands from his castle, Heron Hall.
43:56 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Heron Hall was the biggest castle in the entire history of the Seven Kingdom and was built to be invulnerable to any attack by land.
44:05 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_03]: However, when Aegon Targaryen invaded the Seven Kingdoms, King Heron's vassals from the Riverlands led by Edmund Tully,
44:17 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Aegon, the conqueror, unleashed his dragon, blaring the black dread against the massive stronghold.
44:23 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_03]: The king of the iron islands and his sons perished as dragon-flamed, consumed, hairlen-hall, leaving behind blackened and melted ruins, with his armies destroyed, he was replaced by House Greyjoy.
44:38 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_03]: So, so I think I missed that those guys were called them or that they were somehow associated with the iron.
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, iron islands.
44:46 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
44:47 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I missed that.
44:48 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know that the writers didn't miss that detail.
44:52 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
44:52 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's interesting then.
44:55 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And then somehow, how does that go back into, you know, our theories on Alice and what was sort of set up there?
45:05 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_05]: She doesn't want to rule in the way that we think of ruling.
45:08 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think she wants to seat for that.
45:10 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
45:11 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I do think she is intending to be a steward of the girls.
45:16 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
45:16 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_05]: That's just my intention.
45:17 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
45:18 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_05]: There enough.
45:18 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
45:19 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if she wants to, you know, rule over the Riverlands, or the people, or the small folks.
45:25 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
45:25 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_03]: No, she doesn't seem like a heavy-handed ruler type.
45:29 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_03]: uh, Alicia has some westerncy history for us.
45:33 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_03]: You want to read her feedback for this week.
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Cersmault's a lot.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Calls Miriam Artel.
45:43 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_05]: The Princess of Dorne known as the Yellow Toad, who died at least a century before a house of the dragon, the only woman to have been gifted with a truly military mind.
45:53 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Let me correct that for you, you over-bave zucchini.
46:01 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Dorn is the only kingdom in Westeros, who allowed women like Maria Martel to exercise the military minds.
46:08 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And that is perhaps why Dorn in the timeline of House of Dragons remains the only unconquered kingdom of Westeros.
46:16 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_05]: What is interesting that the only female military mind that woman respects is the one that favored scorch earth tactics to the detriment of her people in their land.
46:27 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Anything to keep dawn from being ruled by the Targaryens.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And of course,
46:33 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_05]: No one need, not trade, beautiful intelligence.
46:36 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_05]: The Targaryen sent to Facer, Aegon, the conqueror's sister-ry, Renees, was renowned for both her intelligence and fair features.
46:47 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_05]: I like the version of the story that poses that she was smart enough to fake her own death and simply live out the rest of her life in Dorn, away from her brother husband's wars, but we'll see what the proposed Aegon, the conqueror movie,
47:04 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_03]: interesting.
47:06 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're cooking up a movie, aren't they?
47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_03]: About the, yes, they are.
47:09 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the next big thing.
47:11 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that going to be, well, and there, there were some news about 90 to seven kingdoms, and I know there sounds like they're tussling over scale and scope of that show, but it sounds like we're definitely getting some more of that.
47:22 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_05]: So, yes, yes.
47:24 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_03]: really like it if if production houses and studios whatever can figure out that movie TV show balance it's been done but consistently with quality is tough I know but yeah it is such a it's a sweet thing when you can get a movie that ties into a TV show that ties into another movie sometimes on the road so fingers crossed they can keep it together but yeah we know that
47:51 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It has his opinions about the quote unquote natural order of things.
47:57 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Just, yeah, right.
47:58 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice terrible.
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_03]: By the wrong.
48:01 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
48:02 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I need to get it.
48:03 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_05]: You overbaved opinion.
48:08 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_05]: For disclosure, I would be leveling that to a lot of people over the coming years, both in real life on different pods.
48:19 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_05]: You, sir, earn over base.
48:23 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_03]: You get a new, a new one.
48:24 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
48:27 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And Nate, our resident military historian,
48:37 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_03]: point taken, and she's just getting started, right?
48:42 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It takes a long time to develop a international network of spies.
48:47 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Lares had a long time, you know.
48:50 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_03]: They both have reached from overseas from where they came.
48:53 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So it just takes a minute.
48:54 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Continues literally minutes after we get Baylor and Adam reporting that Vigarho has seen near Wendish town.
49:00 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got Aegon Terring telling Lares that he's going to walk to Wendish down to kill Aement.
49:06 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_03]: This means the whisper network at Brooks REST is getting real time intelligence while the supposed Mr.
49:12 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Mistress of Whispers is busy trading jabs with Damon and not doing anything to stop the insurgency in King's Landing.
49:19 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I will give you this point, Nate, that she is spending enough emotional and intellectual effort on Damon when really she should be building her
49:35 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_03]: earlier in the season, Allison ordered the guard captain agreeing to stand down and allow Reneera to enter King's Landing.
49:41 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was interesting.
49:43 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Then in this episode, we see the little wave girl observed Damon and Lergent.
49:50 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And report guy to a guy who sent a pigeon not a raven to Oremond.
49:53 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_03]: It was that guy.
49:55 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, see, I didn't pre-read this.
49:57 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing about having Nancy do all this for us.
50:01 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't pre-read these.
50:03 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's saying that he's 90% positive that that's the same dude.
50:08 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So there you go, JD, you now have another source validating your theory.
50:15 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, excellent and vice versa.
50:18 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Later, Damon says that the people doing this to the gold cloaks are professionals, which points to actual soldiers like ex-greens.
50:26 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So did Reneer and her group come in and not disarm the greens in King's Landing?
50:31 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Just kind of let them hang out, seriously WTF, why are they so bad at this?
50:35 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's amusing them, it's amusing watching them all figure out what A-mond is doing based on the movements of Vega, which are actually just random, oh look, there's some cows I can eat, movements, all right, so there we go.
50:51 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So we got two independent sources across confirming that's good, I think.
50:57 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we can think we can start to work on validating that theory.
51:01 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but I do disagree that at this point, Messiah is not a shit itself.
51:12 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just that recorder.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't agree at this point.
51:15 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I think this entire endeavor that Reneera is on currently is has been sabotaged from the very beginning.
51:27 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're seeing the fruits of that sabotage bearout
51:31 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_05]: she is being hit on multiple fronts.
51:36 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_05]: And really, this is the first time I think we've seen possibly a full small council, a side from the land, right?
51:47 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_05]: A side from the hand who was not present, but every other position seems to be filled.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Whereas in my head, Canon, I felt like prior to that
52:00 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_05]: multiple roles to help her to aid her along the way.
52:05 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think maybe hopefully we'll get to see more robust, you know, aid come her way from her small council.
52:16 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Fair enough, Missaria is still trying to get it together.
52:22 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So cut her some slack.
52:24 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Jean, we're almost to the end here.
52:26 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a little bit more to talk about.
52:29 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we've got some book pitch in from Alicia.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to take our break now.
52:34 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'll give everyone a warning before we get into the book pitching stuff so that you can drop out.
52:40 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But we're going to take that first break.
52:41 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be right back.
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_03]: and we're back.
53:00 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So we've got a little bit more from a Nate on the military corner.
53:06 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Nate says listening to military corner on the feedback pod from last week right now.
53:12 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And as a military professional who has given many tactical briefings in his time, David Laura Hound, you did pretty well.
53:19 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm smiling you to here.
53:20 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, Nate.
53:21 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I, you were kind of like, you weren't living in my head, but I was definitely thinking about you a little bit as I was doing this.
53:29 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_03]: You were certainly provided some of the inspiration for me to do that.
53:32 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So.
53:33 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_03]: He continues, it's clear you're looking up a lot of the stuff, but you're applying it pretty well, exclamation point, you even defined and described a screen pretty well.
53:42 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_03]: The part you missed is that it's not really making noise and distracting from the main force.
53:47 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a counter or connocence force.
53:50 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_03]: The purpose of a screening unit, something my units did often, is to prevent observation of the main force by the enemies of recon units.
53:59 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So all those picket lines and outposts and patrols are to interject any of them, any of the enemies' recon assets before they get eyes on the main force.
54:09 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Simultaneously, of course, it's performing recon for its own force.
54:15 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_03]: We are going to have to talk a bit about the use of the words tactical and strategic naming different things and you cross over some sometimes yes I know I was doing that and I was aware of what I was doing it and I know they're they're different but then I'm kind of speaking to a
54:43 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Continuing, we could also bring in some clousewits to handle John's questions.
54:48 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, he says.
54:49 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I was typing that and you said clousewits.
54:52 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll add to David Lorraine now.
54:56 --> 55:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, many people misinterpret old Carl, but the basic idea is that,
55:03 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_03]: military action has to serve a political purpose and is subordinated to it.
55:11 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, it's pointless destruction.
55:15 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Where else are we seeing that right now?
55:17 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Realising the pod, one note what Cole is doing or what he said he'd do, we haven't actually seen
55:28 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_03]: In between, he isn't between the main force and the enemy, nor is a coordinated.
55:32 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You get into what he's actually doing, which is acting as a herring force, to attempt to delay the Tully graveyard movement.
55:40 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Out of all this, that's probably the one military decision that makes the most sense honestly.
55:46 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_03]: There's not much LC can do with his smaller force, but by harassing Tully and slowing his
55:55 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so that's all pretty straightforward.
55:57 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks Nate, I appreciate it, and your tactical maps that you put out are amazing.
56:02 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_03]: That said, there's not really much to update.
56:03 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's no military corner this section as such because not much really happened.
56:08 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, coal moved down and they moved down and we didn't see anything else.
56:12 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_03]: So, Nate updated his maps, so you can see those maps in the Discord channel.
56:18 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Poor.
56:19 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_03]: the episode.
56:21 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to talk to us a little bit about moon tea, Jean?
56:25 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, from Selimam 317.
56:30 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought Alicent was going to force the moon to eat down Helena's dope for a moment there.
56:37 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I also noticed how Helena said this is my child.
56:41 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_05]: She was very possessive and I wonder if she sees this as a child that she doesn't have to share with Aegon or the realm.
56:49 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_05]: A child that is solely hers to love and raise, I really hope that Helena is able to escape
57:02 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
57:03 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I want the best for fire.
57:07 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I do.
57:09 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's interesting because in Alisa's bookbitching, she has some notes about that.
57:18 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
57:19 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the end of our substantive feedback.
57:24 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think at this point, we'll call the audible and say that we're going to get into some spoilery territory.
57:34 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But we should first give a quick shout out to all of the affiliate podcasts if you haven't checked out, check out some of the Laura Hounds family of podcasts, definitely do that.
57:47 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_03]: there's a link in the show notes, take you to a link tree with links to all of those.
57:51 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what the other thing is, if you go into, if you listen on Apple Podcasts app, we actually have a channel.
57:59 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And you can go into your list of like little menu action things.
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58:08 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a cool little feature.
58:09 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Go check that out.
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58:16 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_03]: They are having fun covering house of the dragons in their own way.
58:19 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Never mind the music.
58:20 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I was just on that podcast.
58:22 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you checked it out yet, Jean.
58:24 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's not here.
58:27 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And shy of two years and so I got to go on there and hang out with Mark and Nicole and talk for a little while and we have a fun time sort of unpacking a lot of interesting topics and like what it's like to be a podcaster and some of the lessons learned and stuff like that so encourage everyone to go listen to that conversation I know John is getting ready to launch his cosmic corner podcast with the folks from radioactive ramblers.
58:57 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so that should be launching towards the end of the month.
59:00 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So keep an ear out for that.
59:01 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let everybody know about that.
59:03 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Alicia is chugging ahead on silo.
59:05 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I keep seeing the episodes popping my feed.
59:09 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I have not started the show.
59:10 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_03]: You have.
59:12 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_03]: My assume it's going well because you're not complaining.
59:14 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, I'm not complaining at all.
59:16 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
59:16 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
59:16 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Good.
59:19 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Some more rock kickers, uh, need you.
59:20 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, gosh.
59:21 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
59:21 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
59:22 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_05]: They're doing some bad stuff over the major down.
59:25 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Major.
59:26 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
59:27 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_03]: better than where would you so far i mean i know it's still what are we like still in the first quarter or so is are you enjoying this more than previous seasons or is this about the right spot wow i haven't thought about that okay um because i haven't read the books so i'm not privy to anything i think this is uh
59:51 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a tough question to enjoying it.
59:54 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm very much enjoying this season and the journey that we're on so far.
59:58 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember for me, season two, like I love season one and the season two was like a little bit of a, or like, really kind of a grind through this.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's a tough spot because you get you got such a high from the first season that second year shows, right?
01:00:13 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a, that's a tough place to be in.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_03]: So go check out that.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you are a book reader, Alicia also has book reader content.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a special just for you.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So go check out the Walshift Dust podcast and learn all more about that.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I think everybody else is sort of on break or in between seasons right now, the one thing I will shout out.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_03]: is our friends over at the captain's pod or about to start up the coverage of the new season, the new, the final season I believe, of Star Trek Strange New Worlds.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So search for captain's pod and your podcast player and go subscribe and listen to Ian and Danay.
01:00:54 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_03]: They're dear dear friends of ours and they have a lot of fun covering their show and so if you're into Star Trek, that's where we send all of our Lord Hounds people.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a whole bunch of Lord Hounds people over there listening to their content sending and feedback because we get a lot of Star Trek people in our community.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know the show was canceled.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_05]: This was the last season.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Can't hold, not renewed.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, what's the reason?
01:01:18 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it was kind of planned.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they were planning much more than this.
01:01:24 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So, is it season four or season five?
01:01:29 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's four.
01:01:31 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I have not really gotten into the, to the, to the show to be honest.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it looks like four.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, go find Captains Pod because Ian and today are lovely people and they have a really lovely podcast.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I think John is talking about some Odyssey coverage, so stay tuned for that.
01:01:57 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_03]: John, you will be surprised and delighted that I
01:02:01 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_03]: My wife and I went and saw it the other night.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You saw it.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't Odyssey.
01:02:08 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Three hours of a movie.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it Odyssey?
01:02:11 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm shot.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Have you seen it?
01:02:13 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I have not seen it.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a whole thing about diction and what's the other word?
01:02:19 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_03]: There's an internet search upstairs and we're other computer about all the different sort of accent versus diction, versus idiom, and a bunch of stuff.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And I will say that they're not using accents and that's fine, okay.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And the diction they are.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's mostly speaking in a little bit more or need sentence construction than you gave them credit for.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I was able to hang with it.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And in some regards, I think I'm fine with it because then having everybody try to do fake easy accents that doesn't work very well.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not about the accent, it's about the construction and word choice.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_03]: and they do enough of it that I feel like, okay, this makes sense for me.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you enjoy the movie?
01:03:10 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I did.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, wow.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big movie.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually really hard to get your head and hands around.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's one of those things where to really get what Nolan is doing would take multiple viewings.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna say, walk out.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_03]: What's that?
01:03:32 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to see it.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't walk out like at the end of one battle after another just going, oh my god, like transported and floaty and like feeling wild.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I was I just got of that movie feeling that way too.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I did.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I did or when I walked out of Dune 2 again, Transverted.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But,
01:03:52 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and it's, I should say, but if I should go in the pot, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
01:04:22 --> 01:04:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know where I'm going and they're locked in on the day that I'm going so clear it with the family like I'm going to be a I'm not bad.
01:04:30 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean he is going so oh you see you're going together Yeah, we're going together.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, that's great.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, we're going.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_05]: So this is this is movie.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean we're going to go in costume.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he plans depends on what day in time and how temperature wise and stuff.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_03]: No, he doesn't care about that.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I'm not sure if he's going to get it, but we'll see.
01:04:56 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that'll be fun.
01:04:58 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_03]: That'll be definitely going to be great.
01:04:59 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be great.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool for you guys.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_03]: What else?
01:05:03 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Supergirl.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You still got that.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You got it.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_05]: We're supposed to be doing it next week.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Tuesday.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:09 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and one of these days, Ron and I are going to get together and talk about the bear.
01:05:18 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I still want to talk about the agency at which I haven't started yet.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, we got Ted Lasso's come in.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_03]: What else?
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Lanterns is coming in.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Alicia is about to be very busy.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I wonder if I should step.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if if I should give her the favor back and cover first couple of episodes of Lanterns till she can swing back in and around.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would be a cool thing to be honest with it.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_03]: That would be me to do.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:45 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's, let's, we'll take a look at that and see if we can get that worked out.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:49 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, cool.
01:05:50 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
01:05:50 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, truncated shout out and thank you's to community volunteers, discord server boosters and more masters, you know, who you are.
01:05:59 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_03]: We shout you out all the time.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get you on the main pod next week.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_03]: But otherwise, this is your spoiler warning.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_03]: for book pitch and if you do not want to have anything spoiled about the larger story wrapping this is your chance to jump out.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to talk about anything else from this point so you're not going to miss anything.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to be book pitch and stuff.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So here we go
01:06:26 --> 01:06:27 [SPEAKER_03]: John, do you want to read Alisha's?
01:06:28 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, sure, sure.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_05]: But you need me out.
01:06:30 --> 01:06:36 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I do think that I do think it's funny that no matter the day age or universe.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:38 [SPEAKER_05]: There are men who will let you do what you want.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_05]: You just have to fear fear that you'll make them listen to you.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Talk about menstrual.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_05]: It's true.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It's true.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not true.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_05]: As Maester all will, Abe Lee demonstrated, talking his way past the guards and to have a central role.
01:06:54 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_03]: do there are so many men who just like this is how you were created what do you freaking out about the fact that I just boggles my mind the huge it's basic human biology it is the yeah you grow to fuck up exactly right seriously oh no all right moving on
01:07:14 --> 01:07:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess this baby hell in its pregnancy is the male or replacement, the child who was missing from the blood and cheese incident that left many book readers feeling so dissatisfied.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And the child who's absence, that, um, Martin said would have a butterfly effect on the rest of the story.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_05]: So.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:36 [SPEAKER_05]: this does not bold well for the child.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess they're trying to come up with a belated reason to drive Helena to drum out of the window.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see how this plays out.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_05]: It's helping Helena with her pregnancy and presumably keeping it secret.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:54 [SPEAKER_05]: How this version of all well will finally end up in the dungeon like in the book.
01:07:55 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So,
01:07:58 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is interesting obviously I don't know much about the mail or replacement I do know I am aware that there was a child missing
01:08:08 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_03]: and that Martin stepped out of the production because some things were changed.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when we talked about the shipy test, like what do you change to make things make sense on screen, moving characters around, changing dialogue, removing things, adding things.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Does that change the original intent of the author versus the balance of what you need to do to make things work on screen?
01:08:35 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And we often
01:08:36 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_03]: times have how we debate that those effects and those impacts.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And so this seems pretty
01:08:48 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_03]: substantial here like there is a whole bunch of stuff hinged on mail or and Helena and this window and or while do you want to add any commentary or context to this and again I'm you can spoil everything for me I'm totally fine with knowing what's coming on the show relative to the book stuff so all well dies okay he's charged with treason for killing
01:09:14 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_05]: helping to kill a murder a gun to second.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I'm pretty sure, right?
01:09:20 --> 01:09:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So he that's what Elisa has talked about.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_05]: He winds up in the dungeon.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:31 [SPEAKER_05]: So at the end of when the what you McCallit,
01:09:32 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_05]: the hour of the wolf, right, is when Krigan stock rules, West or Rose King's Landing for a week, okay, the hour of the wolf, that makes sense, okay, that name makes sense now.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:51 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's he's bought to up on charges, so all
01:09:53 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_05]: a long time and it finally catches up with them.
01:09:56 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:09:56 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe this is what Alicia is saying, that this is how we start to see his demise play out.
01:10:06 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:10:09 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think the blood and cheese incident, you know, everybody was upset about it.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't mind personally, I didn't care.
01:10:17 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think more in saying that this would cause the butterfly effect for the rest of the story, my thing is I understand that, but,
01:10:32 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_05]: let the story play out the way it's going to play out.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_05]: So adaptation.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Great.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I think my piece, I think my piece.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_05]: But I made my piece with adaptations.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:50 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like, okay, this is not the story that I know intimately, right?
01:10:51 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_05]: but this is the story I've seen by the people who are making this show a movie.
01:10:57 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So I've had a long time to think about these sorts of things.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_05]: And now I'm at the point where I just want the story to be told well.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So if the changes happen and endings are not the ending that I got from a novel or a comic or whatever, but the story was done well, I'm okay with that now.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think maybe that's growth on my part.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I would hope.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:41 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I'm just excited to see where the story goes and how if these things play out because we already know that it's not going to play out how it did in the novel and how did they show it?
01:11:41 --> 01:11:43 [SPEAKER_05]: How does it, is it done?
01:11:43 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Does it make sense?
01:11:44 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Does it have the same way?
01:11:46 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_05]: The tracks.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So that it connects to the white or silver lines.
01:11:50 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I will hold judgment until those days are here, you know what I mean?
01:11:55 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting to think about your, you know, one of the things that informs your sense of story, if I can,
01:12:05 --> 01:12:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Say this about you, this is my, this is me thinking about you is that you're informed by reading a lot of comic books.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:12:18 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Where pretty much anything goes in comic books.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They reboot change, cross loss, timelines, merge worlds, unmerge worlds, all the time.
01:12:28 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a lot of interpretation and adaptation.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:34 [SPEAKER_03]: New artists come in completely, re-writes the story from scratch.
01:12:35 --> 01:12:48 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think a lot of comic readers with their favorite stories will get up to that if those favorite stories are shown differently from what they've read.
01:12:49 --> 01:12:51 [SPEAKER_03]: What, where they locked in on that story?
01:12:51 --> 01:12:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:12:52 --> 01:12:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:12:52 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_05]: And I've kind of gotten away from that.
01:12:55 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.
01:12:57 --> 01:13:02 [SPEAKER_03]: You've made whatever choice about how you react to that works for you.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, got in the way from that.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:13:05 --> 01:13:06 [SPEAKER_05]: This is not the story.
01:13:06 --> 01:13:07 [SPEAKER_05]: This is not the comic.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:09 [SPEAKER_05]: This is someone's interpretation of it.
01:13:10 --> 01:13:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think, yeah, that's why that's why I land with it.
01:13:13 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting with June.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And Villeneuve's adaptation to the movies he's made so far.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I heard an interview or part of an interview with him where he specifically said, this is like he said this on a recorded interview, something to the effect of, this is my interpretation.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm taking these elements of the storylines, focusing on these excluding other things because it's impossible to tell the whole thing, otherwise you end up with a sci-fi miniseries, which is credible relative to the time it was made.
01:13:58 --> 01:14:00 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm taking these, and I'm making an interpretation.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I am making creative choices.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:05 [SPEAKER_03]: This is how I want to do this.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that I was like, would he said that when I heard him say that, I changed my frame of reference relative to that property.
01:14:14 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, okay, he's making artistic choices, knowingly, and with the best intent, relative to what he wants to say in interpret.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, okay, cool.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I can accept that and one thing I will say about may may Lord not being in the show.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:44 [SPEAKER_05]: The reason I think that I'm okay with it is because of the way that may Lord was killed off.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_05]: You can you can spoil that.
01:14:47 --> 01:14:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was like throwing a
01:14:56 --> 01:14:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm okay with this decision.
01:15:02 --> 01:15:13 [SPEAKER_05]: It leads into who Helena is watching her son, you know, go through what he's, he went through having witnessed blood and cheese, right?
01:15:14 --> 01:15:16 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm okay with that.
01:15:18 --> 01:15:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we're gonna see how she wins up, right?
01:15:24 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_05]: with her ultimate fate.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Which is why Alicia is saying, this does not bold well for this child, right?
01:15:30 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And this window and Helena being in this room and dropping that weird cryptic line if you episodes ago, like, I don't want to be in here.
01:15:39 --> 01:15:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And then she's just being weird and flighty about a bunch of other stuff as well.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, that's Helena stuff going on.
01:15:44 --> 01:15:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I would hope that they don't murder the child for the sake of getting her to
01:15:53 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a tricky thing, isn't it?
01:15:55 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, even the blood and cheese or the cheese and what was it the anyway?
01:16:00 --> 01:16:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Lundries.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Lundries.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:05 [SPEAKER_03]: That even itself was tricky to film.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, but I don't know.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I just, I hope that they is not, that is not the cause of her demise, to see the demise of her child.
01:16:15 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, okay, got you, got you.
01:16:18 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, interesting, it's tricky.
01:16:19 --> 01:16:23 [SPEAKER_03]: They got some tricky things to thread together and get the tracks to line up.
01:16:24 --> 01:16:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, are you hitting the intent that the author originally tried to lay down?
01:16:28 --> 01:16:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is weird, because this isn't a 300, 400 page novel that's self-contained and whole with a beginning middle and end.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:46 [SPEAKER_03]: This is an encyclopedia of history that has questionable providence because the people who are recording the fake history
01:16:48 --> 01:16:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Regardless of that, they're their own point of view within that world, and we all know that who's telling the story, often has a point of view that colors that, that story.
01:16:58 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all right, it's weird.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:03 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, you want to finish up
01:17:05 --> 01:17:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So, Tyler and Lannister did survive.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:14 [SPEAKER_05]: That makes me feel a bit better that parts of the book story really will get back on track.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And the next season may end up with the hour of the wolf after all.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Though it will be exceptionally and exceptionally tough road for Tyler and getting there.
01:17:25 --> 01:17:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, so he's, let's save that.
01:17:27 --> 01:17:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't spoil me on that other than that.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so we show his death quote unquote, we didn't see the body, but his apparent demise in the battle, the battle of Blackwater Bay there Had probably a lot of people going, how are they going to make this work out, because it sounds like he's more involved in the in the hour of the wolf stuff than didn't just a I mean he
01:17:56 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_05]: He knows some things.
01:17:58 --> 01:17:59 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, right.
01:17:59 --> 01:18:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's got to get that knowledge out of him somehow.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, fair enough.
01:18:06 --> 01:18:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Enough said for that.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:07 [SPEAKER_05]: No said for that.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_05]: So we can go and close her.
01:18:10 --> 01:18:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
01:18:10 --> 01:18:10 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, John.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Hang on a second.
01:18:12 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_05]: How I hate you, God.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: The love of people.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Like Sub-Zero said, there's a lot of people to hate in this world.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:19 [SPEAKER_03]: God, God.
01:18:20 --> 01:18:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And can you just wait for the meteor to come crashing down?
01:18:24 --> 01:18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: put us all out of our misery.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's hope no.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:27 [SPEAKER_03]: We need to season five.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll see how Aegon, not the second, but originally Aegon, when we finally meet him, we'll see if he rises to if Aegon the second is actually meeting him where he's at.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I'm saying?
01:18:44 --> 01:18:45 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't, but that's okay because I don't know his real life.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, does he meet?
01:18:53 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got you.
01:18:54 --> 01:18:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you now, all right, cool.
01:18:54 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, I will see you on probably Monday, this next week, I have the episode out Tuesday.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we'll aim for maybe, think Thursday we may be able to get our recording done and then we'll have the feedback out, maybe probably Friday, assuming that all goes well.
01:19:18 --> 01:19:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, watch out for that Legionnaires disease, man.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Remember to be careful when you're searching on the internet.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
01:19:26 --> 01:19:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Those are your two PSAs.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Have a good weekend.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Peace out, everybody.
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