David, Jean, and Bryan dive into the second week of Star Wars: Maul - Shadow Lord with a discussion that also features comm links from Elysia covering her fresh takes, comics connections, and a lore report on the Pyke Syndicate. The conversation centers on Maul's mesmerizing tea ceremony with Devon, a scene the team calls one of the best in any Star Wars property, and the cat-and-mouse dynamic that follows as Maul tests Devon's resolve, her ability to learn, and her untapped power. The team also explores the Lawson and Two Boots partnership, the noir-inflected policing storyline, the stunning animation style, and the explosive cliffhanger that brings the Empire to Janix's doorstep.
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00:01 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey everybody, future editor David here dropping in to call out that during our recording, I forgot to play part two of Alicia's three part calm link for us, and we remembered to play it, but it was like at the very end, after we read out all the shoutouts and thank you to everyone.
00:21 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_05]: So stick around to the very end of the podcast to hear that and that is Alicia talking about the tie-in comic that they've been releasing.
00:30 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_05]: We should have played it earlier and we just sort of forgot about it.
00:32 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_05]: So stick around and pick that up.
00:35 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise everything else is good with the episode.
00:37 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_05]: So hope you enjoy it and we'll see you next week for episodes five and six.
00:42 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks.
01:01 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the lower hounds where your guides to the underbelly of the empire.
01:05 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm David.
01:06 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_05]: This is our coverage of episode's three and four for the new Star Wars animated feature mall shadow lord with me today is not John, but I have John or let's up.
01:22 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_05]: comic book expert co-hosts of comics versus podcast all around uh you're like what you're one of our all-round hitters oh show fun anything you're on the DC yeah cornerstone now that's awesome yeah how you doing i'm telling the man you know cool it's 90 degrees in and why so oh yeah that's right it's hot they're gonna drop the fit so
01:47 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_05]: right next week yeah we should blizzard right you're having snowstorm you give us up and also with us today flying the extra jump sheet is a man who wears many hats around the Laura Hound's community Brian 863 Brian let's let's let's go to the list here your moderator on the discord yeah
02:06 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_05]: your the editor and chief of the blog of the community blog.
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02:12 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, you're the coast of the new into the West podcast with your sister.
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02:21 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you mind missing anything else?
02:24 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's it.
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02:27 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
02:28 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_05]: So you're in your lore master and and a discord server booster, aren't you?
02:33 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, not uh, not the discord server booster.
02:36 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, but you are, but you are a lore master.
02:37 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_05]: I am a lore master couldn't this me.
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_05]: this guy, it's around.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_05]: How you doing, right?
02:42 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
02:42 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
02:43 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
02:43 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, like all of you, I'm not, not outside.
02:48 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's 95 degrees.
02:50 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I said 95.
02:51 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 95.
02:52 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm so interested.
02:56 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty much.
02:58 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, so, well, we're coming in hot with full spoilers.
03:01 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Everything Star Wars is on the table.
03:03 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_05]: We've got a calm link from Alicia with both her fresh takes, some comics info, and a lower report about the Pike Syndicate for us to consider.
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03:49 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Again, links in the show notes, there's a link tree and it's just got a whole list of stuff.
03:55 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So,
03:56 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_05]: a little bit of background on Star Wars.
04:00 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I always like to level set with Star Wars because the Star Wars fans can get a little risky.
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_05]: So we cover Star Wars pretty regularly on the lower hounds.
04:11 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a casual fan, child of 77, seen the movies, seen a bunch of the television shows, but I haven't read any of the books, and I don't study this or the timeline or anything.
04:22 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Jean, where, I know we talked about it last episode,
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm a fan.
04:27 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_04]: That's okay.
04:29 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_05]: You're done on some of the comics and stuff.
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_04]: All the movies, all the TV shows.
04:33 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of the comics.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't really dealt into the books.
04:38 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
04:38 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
04:38 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_05]: You got that more action.
04:40 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you said, your last episode, your force sensitive.
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
04:44 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_05]: You're Kylo.
04:46 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
05:00 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, like you, David came from the 1977 experience, became obsessed, got all the toys, got all the, the bed's bed spread, you know.
05:11 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't,
05:20 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw the original series, then the prequel movies and then started reading the books and started watching the shows.
05:32 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So would you feel that you could hang with Alicia in terms of getting into the deep lore?
05:39 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Like if you wanted to sit at the right hand of a Sith Lord of love lore,
05:47 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think student would be the key word, because I probably would forget most what she could say.
05:55 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
05:57 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so she is the master, maybe I'm a apprentice, maybe.
06:01 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_05]: So it sounds like you're a little bit above Jean and I though, maybe in terms of keeping it together.
06:07 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, I don't do as many comics.
06:09 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Jean does, but we, you know, I could talk.
06:17 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so like I said, you know, it's not a, we're not a specialty podcast.
06:21 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_05]: We cover a lot of things.
06:22 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Everything from the pitch, which we're about to wrap up on rings of power, House of Dragons, all the kind of good stuff.
06:28 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really excited for the bear is coming back this summer.
06:33 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I know the tear is coming up.
06:35 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_05]: That should be good.
06:36 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_05]: John, you guys are covering.
06:37 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Are you doing some checking coverage on, um, there this is name.
06:41 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Daredevil.
06:42 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_05]: How was that going on?
06:43 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_04]: We just dropped the rehash of the first few apps.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_04]: You can find that out now.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And good.
06:51 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_05]: It's here is good.
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm really loving it.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's good.
06:55 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Is it better than last year?
06:56 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
06:57 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
06:58 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
06:58 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm going to have to drop it on.
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, very good, very good, very good.
07:03 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, yeah, so we got lots going on.
07:05 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_05]: So, and yeah, you can go back into our specialty feed that has only the Star Wars content, or just our main regular feed, and we've got extensive coverage of A&O, or the acclites, scholars, and crew, all the stuff.
07:16 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_05]: So, we're all there.
07:18 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_05]: That is said.
07:21 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get into some fresh takes.
07:23 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Brian, we'll go to you first since you're jumping in on the hot seat this week.
07:30 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Give your sense of the overall so far, one through four, and then anything specific you have for three or four, how you feel and for the seasons so far.
07:40 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You are giving me the hot seat.
07:42 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
07:44 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The animation, first off, and I know a lot of people have said this, it is amazing.
07:49 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It is dropped dead.
07:50 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing.
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:52 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And it really has that ability to draw me into the story.
07:57 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes there'd be maybe some moments I'm thinking, oh, I don't know.
08:00 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's this going to go?
08:02 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I see the animation and it's like, whoa.
08:05 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is an opportunity for me to kind of bring myself back, even after four few seconds, just to bring myself back into this universe, and so it's really, really amazing.
08:17 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It also this series, and especially episode three and four, you know, I've seen Clone Wars, I've seen Rebels,
08:26 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is darker for me, and not just because we're underground or we're at nighttime, but I think because Mall is more city here, because in Clone Wars, he was a side character.
08:43 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We only checked in on him once in a while, but here we get Mall all the time, and it's a show about him.
08:50 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: and how he's answering the questions about where my place is beyond just crime lord building an empire of crime, right?
09:02 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about his place, his vengeance, and he's talking a lot more about Jedi Sith stuff than I remember in Clone Wars.
09:12 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I could be mistaken, but it so it feels
09:17 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_05]: would it be fair to say that he in in previous iterations in Clone Wars and other things, he was pretty much a two-dimensional cutout mustache twirling dual lightsaber wielding bad guy, right?
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we didn't get a did we get a lot of that?
09:32 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't famously I'm on record for not having completed rebels or Clone Wars.
09:37 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So you can add me if you want, I don't care.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, so that's my question to you is that
09:43 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_05]: what what little of facets had did we examine with mall rioters I know we got a couple of short arcs with him but this is really a showcase for him in the seat in this season this series it's almost like and and John may be correct me for Clone Wars I think I want to say mall was more survival
10:05 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: because he got, you know, injured the sight of least and he had to really repair himself and then there was the arc of the building of the criminal empire.
10:20 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't remember, you know, there's a, he certainly faces Jedi, you know, once or twice, uh, I don't know.
10:29 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It just, it just gives you the ability, I think, because he's the show is all about him or most of it's about him.
10:37 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: you really begin to kind of focus a lot on what's you really trying to say.
10:41 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's saying a lot of stuff that's very interesting about the Sith and his place about balance and things like that.
10:50 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
10:50 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_05]: So, you just say you are enjoying the season so far.
10:54 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I am.
10:54 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I am.
10:55 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:56 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think particular for episodes three or four that you went into to highlight before we get into the details or
11:01 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it could wait.
11:04 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I will say is not a lot of people talked about spybot.
11:09 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone should get a spybot, you know, they electricity it out.
11:13 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, spybot, fix the electricity.
11:16 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it fits.
11:17 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, spybot.
11:19 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think mall and his team would not be as far along without spybot.
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just, he's just amazing.
11:25 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: MVP.
11:26 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:27 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's eyes ears scamping in.
11:31 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, fixing things, destroying things sabotage.
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Threatening people.
11:36 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Threatening people.
11:37 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
11:37 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I think I think mall would not be further along in his plots without a...
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_05]: a good utility bar.
11:45 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Spybot.
11:46 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
11:47 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_05]: John, anything for three or four in specific?
11:50 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, for me, I'll just say really quickly.
11:53 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_05]: It was a four was like, OK, you know, if I were moving along, it was cool.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_05]: There's some good stuff.
11:57 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Man, episode three was amazing.
11:59 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_05]: The storytelling, the construction, everything.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_05]: I just loved it.
12:02 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, two things.
12:06 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I think first for more, I think he gets a lot of,
12:13 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_04]: You delve into his psyche and previous shows like Rebels and Clone Wars a little bit.
12:21 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So to see him in this light, it's not at all surprising to me.
12:25 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Not surprising.
12:26 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_04]: No, not at all, not at all, because he really goes at, you can see the wheels turning in Rebels with how.
12:36 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He is thinking, and this show is very much to me or call back to that.
12:41 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Just I might get, that's just for me.
12:44 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_04]: As far as he's last two episodes, it's all about two boots.
12:51 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_05]: We got a shot to point of the boots when he landed up on the knees.
13:00 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_04]: We need to talk about two boots.
13:03 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we do.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_05]: We need to talk about that, Drake.
13:08 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Put a pin in that.
13:09 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_05]: We will get into it in the episode.
13:11 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because he does play a bit of a pivotal role in there.
13:14 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_05]: I think the only thing I would add to what you guys have said is,
13:20 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_05]: There's one thing that's like a minor annoyance of the show for me in that it's the cuts are happening so fast that I don't feel like I get to appreciate the detail and quality of the animation to a degree that I want.
13:41 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll see something it'll be a city scape or it'll be a quick flash or one of the
13:51 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_05]: and then it's gone.
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_05]: It's quick, jump, shoot, move, moving on.
13:53 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, no, wait, I wanted to appreciate that for a beat or two more to really allow the animation style to impress.
14:03 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like seeing, what was the Spider-Man movie?
14:06 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_05]: The animated Spider-Man movie is on that we, you and me, you and me, yeah, so long ago.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_05]: So I remember seeing it in the theater.
14:12 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was just like, man, I can't handle this because I want to pause and like, fall into the screen.
14:19 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_05]: and so that's the same for the show is like I just want to appreciate this and and I can't because of this episode's movement so quick.
14:29 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Well you bring something exactly right David is that in episode three I actually stopped one part of the animation scene and that is when Devon is fighting
14:49 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: from the saber, into her eyes, and I thought that's what she looks like if she becomes a Sith.
14:55 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the way the reflection is, it's like wow.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
14:59 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
15:00 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think they really understand, this is a great, I think, maturation of the Star Wars animated style.
15:05 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_05]: They really are using the
15:08 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_05]: style of animation as part of the storytelling, just like Spiderverse did.
15:14 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_05]: It brings a level of depth and complexity and attention to the characters and given that we're in this gritty world and there's a use of a lot of darkness and shadows, that actually really works
15:36 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, there's the way that they texture and shadow things is, and they're really smart about how they're lighting the characters, light feeding away so that only ahead and a face is left, and then a glist sort of goes in on the eyes, and you're just like, oh man, so I really appreciate the overall style, but I'm a little bit annoyed at them in terms of the fast-paced editing, so minor, minor, and arts, anyway.
16:02 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, if we've got nothing else for our sort of fresh takes.
16:06 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I've got Alicia's She sent in a three part recording as I mentioned at the top.
16:11 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_05]: We've got a fresh take on the episode We've got some comic information and then a com-link on the Pike Syndicate.
16:18 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's listen to her fresh takes for
16:20 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Alicia checking in by Comlink again after Mall, Shadowlord episodes 3 and 4.
16:26 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I am still really enjoying the show.
16:29 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I seem to be more enthralled by the series so far than some members of our discord.
16:34 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, aside from how spectacular it looks, both the show and the comic, which it just is reminding me of everything that I love about the Blade Runner aesthetic.
16:45 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But aside from that, even I am a sucker for stories
16:49 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: grappling with questions of complex motivations and alliances.
16:53 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And here we have on the one side, mall who has those shaky alliances he lost through force, not the force per se.
17:03 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what I mean?
17:05 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But on the other hand, we see that mall sees in Devin Azara something that he hasn't since city has killed his brother Savash, and a potential apprentice who can offer something his loyal number two, Death Watch Mandalorian Rook Cast, cannot.
17:22 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: A Rook Cast, she stuck by his side through his
17:25 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: lowest moments up to and after order 66 when others have not, but without a talent for the force for the catalog, she can never be malls accolite in the way that Devon could be.
17:38 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, we see now Devon still defending her Jedi Master, Eco-Diodaki, despite some differences in opinion in how they should handle their exile and the death sentence from the Empire hanging
17:51 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that alliance is sure to be tested further now that the empire has arrived on the scene.
17:58 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: My worry and not worry in terms of writing, but my worry for the characters is that this will end in a similar way to the acolyte, meaning that Eko Diodaki will be the Jedi life that Devon takes to bleed her lightsaber.
18:14 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Though, since Mall isn't a real Sith anymore, maybe together they can find a new way forward.
18:21 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It is of course notable that Devon isn't with Maul when he turns up in Rebels 14 years later, but a lot can happen in 14 years.
18:29 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you add to all this, the whole dynamic between Brander Lawson and Two Boots.
18:35 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The comic book establishes a Two Boots, always plays it more by the book than Lawson, and like we also saw in this episode, Lawson understands that the Empire is not the Republic.
18:45 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think two boots does understand that.
18:48 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think two boots is about to learn a tough lesson and is going to end up regretting calling them in when he figures out that this is not the friendly republic that he's used to.
18:59 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't, during that, I was watching your face.
19:02 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And it seemed like you had some emotional reactions to what Alicia was putting down.
19:08 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that, did I read you right?
19:09 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely.
19:10 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, the idea that she that Devon will
19:15 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_05]: you know, take out, dude, I got chills, which he said that, you know, she might bleed his eyes out.
19:20 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
19:20 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't care if she's accurate or not about that prediction.
19:23 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Just that idea.
19:24 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I was just like, oh, that's delicious.
19:26 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I want that.
19:28 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I had not thought about that.
19:29 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't think about that.
19:30 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Me neither.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_04]: That is, um, yeah.
19:33 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
19:34 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_05]: That would be awesome.
19:36 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:36 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love that.
19:37 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That is that's a great twist.
19:39 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking to myself, who in this universe could take down mall.
19:44 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking, well, could there be like a Godzilla versus King Kong battle with Darth Vader versus Mall?
19:52 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that would have been sweet.
19:53 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, yeah, Devon.
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
19:57 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:57 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, maybe, I don't know.
20:00 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Am I wrong, wasn't there an epic zebra battle?
20:05 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Was it with the kid in some like big pyramid thing with mall or was that maybe?
20:12 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just mixing up all.
20:14 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Was it rebels?
20:15 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
20:15 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_05]: was Maul and Rebels.
20:17 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Maul was in Rebels, but like like Alicia did they have an epic it did he and Ezra have a big epic fight in a temple place.
20:25 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
20:25 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
20:26 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, right and he was it wasn't he lifting the stones and stuff to get in.
20:29 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_05]: That was Sidious.
20:30 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_04]: That was Sidious.
20:32 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
20:32 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And Ezra and Maul Ezra and Sidious came in.
20:35 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
20:35 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_04]: They all had their moments.
20:38 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_05]: That's that dude's ponytail.
20:39 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he.
20:43 --> 20:44 [UNKNOWN]: Oh man.
20:44 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I must say, knowing, hey, all right, moving on, but this is the mall right here from all, hey, right here from all, oh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don
21:05 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the best thing is, yeah, he's not me.
21:08 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, he's gonna get it.
21:10 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
21:27 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that echoes very well what I was thinking about with the animation and the complexity of the story and the characters as well said.
21:39 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:39 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:39 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
21:39 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
21:40 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's take a break.
21:41 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we come back.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_05]: We will get into the episodes.
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21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
21:57 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_05]: We're back.
21:58 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to kind of talk about episodes and three and four together.
22:02 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about them separately, but we're not going to put a blast shield between them.
22:07 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, conversation bleeds over.
22:09 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the way it is.
22:10 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_05]: But we'll start off.
22:12 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_05]: With a little synopsis, thank you Wikipedia for the chapter synopsis chapter three whispers in the unknown mall follower malls followers confront the escaped Devon and direct her to mall who offers her tea Devon season season half of malls double-bladed lightsaber
22:32 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_05]: attempts to fight him.
22:34 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Mal hides in the darkness and taunts the terrified devan, questioning her path now that her life with the Jedi order is over.
22:42 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Meanwhile, Lawson tells two boots what he's learned about Mal and tells him to investigate Evarios' dealings with the Pikes.
22:49 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_05]: As he takes some time to attend Riley Sports Match, Lawson is approached by Daki, claiming to be Devon's uncle, who says Devon was just caught in the wrong place the wrong time.
23:02 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Two boots and TDS TDF officer, or Reb, discover a confrontation between the Pikes and Barrios men over a shipment only to be ambushed by malls followers who destroy the shipment and flee,
23:15 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Lawson leaves a Riley's match early when notified of the attack by two boots, who continues to advocate calling the Empire.
23:24 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_05]: when Lawson again refuses, two boots goes over his head to police straining the relationship as Devon attempts to escape mall reveals himself and they fight.
23:35 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_05]: He reclaims his lightsaber before letting her leave.
23:40 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Brian, to you again, as are this week sort of guest, what, what you got
23:53 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Lawson, two boots, Devon, and Maul, what do you want to go?
23:59 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll start with Devon and Maul because that, as I was saying earlier, really brings very interesting aspects to the show that we might have kind of
24:23 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: cool cucumber.
24:25 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he talks in this low, you know, it's not like Darth Vader, right, with the breathing and the ominous voice.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He just has a low voice, the character actor is so good.
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And he just has a conversation with Devon.
24:42 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, have you really thought clearly about what the
24:47 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Jedi is really pitting you.
24:51 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of keeping you behind all this.
24:54 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you need to break free and think of things in a different way.
24:58 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And he just, you know, they're having tea.
25:01 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like a little Zen moment.
25:05 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
25:06 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: then he just calmly fights her and if I remember correctly, he has one arm behind just back.
25:14 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Most of it.
25:14 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
25:15 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:15 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like he's not full.
25:18 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not full-darth on here.
25:20 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't need to.
25:21 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not at that level.
25:22 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's he docky presses him a little bit more in episode four.
25:26 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
25:27 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
25:27 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:31 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, he's having a conversation with her.
25:34 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: just like it's kind of like a trademark actually when you think about it from the movies and such as that you know like Darth Vader was talking about Luke you know Darth Vader is talking to Luke while they're fighting with their swords you know it's this all great interplay between the two them which really was an amazing scene and then you throw in the course the great animation.
25:54 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I've also answered special and I loved that when she sits down for the T ceremony, the half of the lightsaber is just there and you know that this is part of his testing of her and setting her up to start to learn not only how capable she is, but how her mind works and is she going to rise she she's going to take the bait.
26:20 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_05]: literally of of this, uh, unedited thing.
26:24 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_05]: But then I loved not only is the episode, uh, what is at whispers in the unknown, right?
26:31 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, you know, mall whispering to her in the darkness and stuff.
26:34 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_05]: But then I just loved the, uh,
26:38 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_05]: construction.
26:39 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_05]: So as the other stuff is going on in the world, we're getting this cat and mouse between mall and Devon.
26:47 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_05]: John, what did you make of their interaction here in this album?
26:52 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the teasing is one of my favorite scenes in a story where it's property.
27:00 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_05]: ever like like you're going in it like a top 10 scene thing.
27:03 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
27:04 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
27:04 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Damn.
27:05 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
27:06 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I just yeah.
27:07 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I just love the way that she walks in and he's there, the tea and he's slowly, you know, pouring the tea, mixing it, stirring it, you know, and so calm and so,
27:23 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_04]: welcoming.
27:25 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
27:26 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's another.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it disarms me.
27:28 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't have to even more.
27:30 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:31 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_04]: For me, I don't know.
27:32 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:33 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:33 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about, let's talk about things.
27:37 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_04]: But he, he puts, he gives this energy that for her who has struggled for such a long time, who's lost so much, who is lost.
27:50 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, and every almost every sense he's given this energy like I know what you're going through just come sit down, have a cup of tea, let's have a nice conversation about your future, not about me, not about Daki
28:10 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Not about the empire, not about my vengeance.
28:14 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's have a conversation about you and your future, over a hot cup of tea.
28:20 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Man, that hit, that hit, that hit.
28:23 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's so well constructed in the sense that
28:27 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_05]: he is genuinely interested in her.
28:31 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but he's also genuinely interested in using her.
28:36 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_05]: The new thing is true.
28:38 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, we know the motivation is not only to use her, but he really is fascinating.
28:44 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Who is this young person who is survived order 66 and is still out here.
28:50 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_05]: you know without having gotten captured by the empire or the what do you call them the inquisitors and how can I use it to further my own and that is a separate it is also at the same time
29:04 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_04]: And you just want to, because I looked at the screen, I just want to tell it or run, because I know what's happening.
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29:21 --> 29:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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29:22 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish, you know, because it seems in some ways mall and Denver at Devin, Denver, come from a similar place.
29:31 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: His mall was cut in half.
29:35 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a struggle.
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He was starving.
29:38 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And he probably sees a little bit of in him, right?
29:44 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: When it's like, I've been there, Devin.
29:47 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: you're struggling, you don't have time to think about these things.
29:49 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about these things.
29:51 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jedi isn't the only thing in the universe.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the only philosophy.
29:57 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And where there's the other side of the coin.
29:58 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So the two of them comfort similar space.
30:02 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was just surviving, I think.
30:04 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
30:05 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And he says to her,
30:08 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Basically, you have, girl, you got power.
30:12 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, you have a real power.
30:14 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And you're out here begging on the streets and live in rough.
30:20 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_05]: What are you doing with that power?
30:23 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_05]: With that power?
30:24 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing with that power?
30:26 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Good or evil?
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_05]: What are you doing?
30:27 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Just live in small and you're big.
30:30 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Which is the question, I'm sorry, but this is the question that I've always had about the Jedi in this time.
30:37 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_04]: You have the power to positively change people's lives in this moment and the majority of them are not doing that.
30:48 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_04]: right, and he asked that question, you have this power.
30:51 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing with it?
30:54 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing.
30:56 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's he sets him on a level.
30:59 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a waste.
31:00 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a waste.
31:01 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Howling.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
31:02 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_05]: And whether you're caring a blue lightsaber or red lightsaber.
31:05 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't hear.
31:06 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_05]: He's just like, what are you doing with you?
31:09 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_05]: You have this.
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's go.
31:13 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
31:14 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
31:14 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's he understands having that kind of force power.
31:18 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He understands what it could be used for.
31:20 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's and I think he understands just firsthand of what that kind of power could give you and wasting it is insulting.
31:32 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
31:33 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's an insults exactly.
31:36 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And I loved at the end of the fight where he's like, I'm going to need that back.
31:42 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't break a sweat.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_05]: He's not winded.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_05]: He's not mad.
31:47 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like,
31:53 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Head off, yeah, I know you're going to go find your master and I know you'll see you guys later because your master is just not going to be able to not track me down.
32:00 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_05]: You're right.
32:00 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all good.
32:01 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:01 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
32:03 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_05]: And when she, you know, and then, of course, we get the return of the Jedi vibes, like, good, let the hatred when she gets mad and starts like flashing out.
32:14 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, all right, girl, come on, like I see you now, like you're really leaning into your power.
32:20 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_05]: And it was just, it's a great way to call back to the tradition of good versus evil fighting here and that, that, that, that lure of the dark side.
32:30 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_05]: But in, in a kind of a fresh take way, I don't know, there was just something nice about it.
32:37 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And I really got chills at the end of this when he did that whole thing and then called her by her name.
32:42 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I was just like, oh man, that was,
32:48 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_05]: It calls back to all of the Jedi interaction, the light dark interactions that we've had.
32:54 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_05]: There was...
32:56 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Wasn't there a big fight scene?
32:59 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it was a soka and Anakin in the, in the soka series.
33:05 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_05]: When they're on the, what is that extra dimensional space called?
33:09 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like the world between worlds.
33:14 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the world between worlds.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't they have a big fight?
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't they meet up again?
33:17 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And they have a big, you know, fight like that's what this,
33:21 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_05]: See, like this fight scene just made me think of every major fight labor, laser short fight scene that we've ever seen in Star Wars, right?
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_05]: It just had it all in this like quick moment.
33:33 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
33:33 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, definitely just...
33:36 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, again, mall is such an interesting character and that, you know, there's a part of me that wants to root for him.
33:47 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not gonna pretend there's a part of me that wants to root for him.
33:52 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_04]: knowing what I know of him, it's like, Kim, can't move for this guy.
33:57 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
34:00 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Just can't do it.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Can't do it.
34:01 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you guys both clock that when they were fighting at one point, he did a little spin kick to trip her?
34:08 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
34:08 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he tried to do it again.
34:10 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_05]: And she jumped over it, she learned.
34:14 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, so he's mapping her, yeah, like, what's your reaction?
34:20 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_05]: What's your ability to learn from your mistakes?
34:23 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm going to really judge you on, like, if you could really be my apprentice, like, how do you handle adversity?
34:28 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have grit?
34:30 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you stay in the fight?
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you learn from your opponent?
34:33 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, are you learning?
34:35 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you strategic?
34:36 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the first time we see mall as fans, he's this kind of unusual looking character that doesn't say much if at all.
34:50 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we have this very chest-like figure character that is thinking,
34:58 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Many moves ahead, and it's a wonderful thing to see.
35:02 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his story arc is really blossomed over the past, about like 10 years.
35:06 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:07 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this walk on part.
35:09 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this walk on part.
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Who's a stuntman, right?
35:11 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_05]: He was a, yeah, that's right.
35:13 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So the this whole episode two episode three at least felt for me with the city scapes and moving around and what we were doing and how they set up the story it really felt like a one of the great graphic novels like it was a V for Vendetta or it was a watchman kind of epic like it felt like a graphic novel to me come to life
35:40 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_05]: set up the way that they unfolded the story, the vision will obviously the visuals connect to that.
35:46 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I said last week that I loved how they use the tracings and and those ups and downs, right?
35:55 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's not that they had tracings in this episode, but they kept that vibe.
36:02 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, like I think Alicia just mentioned that that blade run a type vibe to the animation and to the, you know, story.
36:12 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, and you, I think I felt that more in episode three than I did in the first two episodes.
36:22 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, no, no good.
36:26 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I was going to say we could probably shift gears a little bit and start talking about loss and in two boots, and there was one thing that I picked up with the loss and storyline in two places.
36:37 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Once when they were in the car, when two boots and loss and were in the car and they were talking about the empire, I'm trying to remember the other place, but did you hear the little synth background music that was playing?
36:49 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Like it was like, I don't think I could have to go back.
36:53 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I heard that, and I was just like, oh, and or I was in, and for a minute, because it was the, what was the, the plan it, the beach resort plan, it space Miami, oh, gosh.
37:08 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_05]: There was a, there was some music that sort of synth, you know, dance pop music.
37:12 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
37:13 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
37:14 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And there was a change of that.
37:16 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_05]: in this little background sound that they played.
37:19 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, oh, man, I was just, I was there and it like it brought me that world of cat and mouse with the empire and, you know, plans with implants and being, and the stakes are really high and really dangerous.
37:37 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a leaf motif kind of thing going on that they brought in this little tune to bring you to a different, uh, and it wasn't in four.
37:45 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_05]: It was only in three and it was in two specific points with Lawson, and it was like background music over Lawson, right?
37:51 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a story line.
37:54 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, I'm going to go back to that.
37:56 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:57 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:58 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, seeing those, you know, visually, you know, Alicia says it right.
38:02 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you think about Blade Runner, but I also think of film The War.
38:06 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that kind of vibe, but when you ever see when you're in the the police station or you're seeing them two of them in the car, it just kind of goes back to very classic Hollywood kind of style.
38:22 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
38:23 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
38:24 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_05]: What are you picking up from two boots?
38:27 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Brian?
38:30 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two boots is interesting.
38:33 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He is like many droids in this universe where he has that kind of personality because he has these two boots that are on literally, literally.
38:44 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally.
38:45 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I heat, but at the same time, he is a droid in that he follows protocol.
38:54 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you break protocol,
38:57 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to try to pivot back to it because that's his overarching programming.
39:04 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And he does make, I think, a good partner with Lawson, because Lawson can be maybe a little more emotional.
39:13 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's human, and you have the destroy two boots.
39:18 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So Lawson's conflicted, sorry, to interject.
39:20 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_05]: We have family stuff going on, and he's under pressure from his boss.
39:24 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
39:25 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
39:38 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, what are you talking about?
39:40 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's exactly what your arm is a little rusty.
39:46 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
39:48 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's fun to see those two together.
39:51 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But when we talk a little bit more about policing and the empire, I'll bring up two boots again.
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: following protocol.
40:01 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
40:01 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's just it's just very much very much.
40:05 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very much a droid for sure.
40:06 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_05]: He is a droid and he acts like a droid and then you know, no am I Making up things I sometimes I have a hard time with memory recall in this day and age because the information flow that's pointed at my brain is, you know, the proverbial fire hose at a teacup
40:24 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_05]: But didn't you Brian suggest that you might be writing a blog post about, yes, was it about policing the empire?
40:34 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
40:35 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I plan to put it together.
40:37 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
40:37 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I see that for my, I see that.
40:39 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
40:49 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: because of both of us are on the same wavelength and that's very interested on how policing operates in the empire.
40:56 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But we can talk a little bit about that a little later.
40:58 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
40:59 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
40:59 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and then I'll write a write a lot of this down for us to absorb.
41:04 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
41:06 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Nice.
41:07 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we, the, the blog's been a little quiet recently.
41:09 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_05]: We haven't even any, any, any thought provoking shows out as much.
41:13 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_05]: So I would love to see something when you get it together.
41:17 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely.
41:18 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_05]: What do you got for two boots?
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_05]: He's a little running on.
41:21 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what your comment was asked us.
41:23 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, we.
41:24 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And now I'm, I'm, and I don't know why I didn't occur to me before.
41:28 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I do know why.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Why does he have two boots?
41:37 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I need to know, I need to know, I need to know, I need to know, I need to know, I need to know, I who program this guy.
41:53 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Where is this coming from?
41:55 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I need the backstory of the boots.
41:59 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Check out boots.
42:00 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Got to have it.
42:02 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Got to have it.
42:03 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think
42:05 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_04]: him in in in Larson, him in Larson, two books in Larson are just so, you know, like you said Brian, very Hollywood buddy cop movie TV show, however you want to, you call it, this
42:29 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_04]: trying to play, you know, not by the rules all the time, and somebody who's trying to be by the rules, but can also kick ass, right?
42:38 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Just two boots.
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Which I think is interesting.
42:40 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
42:41 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
42:42 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_05]: He will he'll jack a garbage scouts to stay hot in hot for shoot.
42:47 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_05]: He'll run in guns blazing.
42:50 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Bro was firing off random blaster shots at it and escaping that's like what if you You know, what if that hit some kid playing out on their balcony or something?
43:00 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so what's his trying to get the guys?
43:02 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_04]: He's trying to get the criminals You know, and he's going to do what he takes But he's also like like Brian said he's programmed and you know his protocol Come so point where he can't override it Right.
43:17 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_04]: He has to do what he was programmed to do
43:20 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
43:21 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's interesting.
43:22 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
43:23 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Very much so.
43:24 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that I think it's episode four where he walks up to Los Angeles and he tells them, oh, I just, I just got up from my power down.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
43:35 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_04]: It's so great.
43:36 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_04]: It feels so great.
43:39 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_05]: To who?
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm resting.
43:43 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not.
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:46 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They
43:46 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And I went ahead and did my programming.
43:49 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:49 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_05]: I liked that that he calls out the mundane modernity, the the mundaneness as the mundane aspects of chasing down leads and doing all this kind of stuff.
44:02 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_05]: and that it's like, oh, yeah, I'm up for Monday tasks, you know, I'm good.
44:06 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, I love it.
44:07 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I, this is what I do, but I also take ass.
44:11 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
44:12 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And he didn't seem to complain when he got knocked down to desk duty.
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_04]: He was just there doing his thing.
44:18 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
44:18 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
44:19 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all he has to do.
44:21 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm going to do.
44:21 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you see that when he slid the box of tapes or whatever it was that he was, you know, filing,
44:29 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Behind that box there was a picture of Lawson and two boots and this is on two boots is desk Yes, yeah, and they're you know, they're showing that oh work is coming between two friends, right?
44:41 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing but they know it's like wondering like
44:44 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_05]: What does, was two boots having any kind, did he do that intentionally or was that accidental?
44:51 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Because it was there.
44:52 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_05]: But I like the ambiguity that they're saying that the tension between these two guys, we don't really know how two boots is processing it.
45:02 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_05]: We don't know, because droids have an emotional life in this universe and the universe they can do.
45:08 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_05]: And is he mad at Lawson or is he, you know, missing his friend is like, what's going on with two boots is emotional interiority?
45:18 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And I just, I just liked that there was an ambiguity because of the way that he pushed the box in front of the picture between them.
45:23 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_05]: So.
45:25 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_05]: I think we got a couple other things with,
45:30 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Lawson, the sun storyline like that, you know, okay, yeah, the conflict apparent, right.
45:37 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_05]: We get the drop that was it in this episode?
45:41 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember now if it was three or four, but they tell us about the x-wife that she works for the empire.
45:48 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, then, but there was there's so four.
45:50 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, maybe my notes might have got my interest.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I couldn't turn on notes.
45:54 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe just for a more soccer game, right?
45:57 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There was whatever game that.
45:59 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but he was in, he looked the game in three.
46:01 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Three.
46:01 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a lacrosse style game.
46:03 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
46:04 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was four, but I could be wrong.
46:06 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_04]: That could be wrong.
46:07 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Was it the, uh, his captain was like, but who, I forget who, nah, it's a blur now.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Now we're just digging ourselves deeper in the hole.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
46:14 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, we learned a little bit about the way.
46:17 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's interesting that her wife's work ex-wife should say works for the empire.
46:22 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so that's a great look.
46:25 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's do this.
46:25 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back.
46:28 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll wrap up with episode four.
46:42 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're back, we're talking about episode four, chapter four, pride and vengeance.
46:48 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, Wikipedia again, for the episodes.
46:50 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_05]: And up to this, oh, you know what we need to do too?
46:52 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_05]: When should we do the comic bookstops?
46:53 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Should we give, let me ask you guys this.
46:57 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_05]: We have a couple of pieces of information from Alicia.
47:02 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_05]: One is about the comic series, how it ties in, and then one about the Pike Syndicate.
47:07 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Like a, a, a, a, a, a lore.
47:09 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to call it.
47:10 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_05]: She called it something else than a lore bomb.
47:12 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Should we play those now?
47:13 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Or should we talk about?
47:14 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Should I set up the episode and then we'll drop them in?
47:17 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll play episode.
47:19 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:20 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, John.
47:21 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Pike, we could talk about the play.
47:24 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_04]: We could drop that.
47:25 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So let's do this.
47:26 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And then comic book after.
47:29 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so let me set up the episode and then I'll play the Pike thing and then we'll talk about it and then we'll play the the comic book thing.
47:35 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_05]: So Pride and Vengeance, Vario visits crims stronghold on Obedia and secretly brings mall who kills crim.
47:45 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Pipe Captain Colt is made the new leader of the Pike Syndicate and agrees to be loyal to Mal.
47:51 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_05]: On Gen X, Devon reunites with Daki and convinces him to help Los and defeat Mal.
47:57 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Daki sends the location of Mal's hideout to Los and Clice, Clice approves a raid.
48:04 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Two Boots insist they're not equipped for it and goes to call the Empire, forcing Los and to deactivate him.
48:10 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Maul and his followers are waiting for Lawson and his squad, and Maul offers to protect Janiks from the Empire if Lawson agrees to leave them be.
48:21 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Lawson refuses and a firefight breaks out.
48:24 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Daki and Devon arrive and duel Maul, but he overpowers them both despite Daki damaging one of his cybernetic legs.
48:32 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Maul and his followers retreat as Christ's
48:39 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Lawson finds Dockey in Devon and realizes that they are Jedi.
48:43 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_05]: He tells them to flee before we enforce them.
48:45 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_05]: See them.
48:46 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Lawson is soon reunited with two boots.
48:49 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Who called the Empire after being reactivated?
48:52 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_05]: An Imperial Star Destroyer arrives over Gen X.
48:58 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Cool.
48:58 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, so what did I say?
49:01 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Pikes indicate now?
49:02 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I see, I have a memory of a goldfish.
49:05 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, here's Alicia's pikes in the kit.
49:09 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk about the pikes since they were so central to the story this week.
49:14 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The pikes are one of the most ubiquitous mono species syndicates in Star Wars underworld storytelling.
49:21 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They are physically long and slim with fishy-looking faces and they often wear masks to the masks
49:32 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, that's their primary function, is they are spice traders, and yes, that spice is it's definitely inspired by Dune, but it's a much simpler in the Star Wars version.
49:45 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_00]: In Star Wars, it's mostly just used as drugs, mostly recreationally, but there may be other applications.
49:53 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: There are different variations that are mined from different planets around the galaxy, from the Twilight home planet of
50:01 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_00]: to the moons of Padme, Jar Jar, and Palpatine's home planet of Naboo, and decades later in the timeline, we see the pikes being chased away from mining, spice, and tattooing these events take place during the book of BobaFent.
50:16 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But the center of the spice trade is it's a yellow planet.
50:21 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the yellow planet we visited during these episodes, although I've seen people call it another one.
50:26 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll talk about a minute.
50:27 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the yellow planet is called Castle.
50:30 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That name might ring a bell.
50:31 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's known for its myriad mining operations that use rookies and other slave labor.
50:38 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Castle is in the outer rim.
50:41 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: and that mining wasteland is confined actually to the northern hemisphere of the planet.
50:48 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_00]: In the Clone Wars we visited the southern hemisphere of the planet which is lush and jungle-like still and that's where the native population lives because the pikes, they do not control this planet.
50:59 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They are not from this planet.
51:00 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They are kind of like the huts on Tatooine, mostly they're just there to protect their own financial interests.
51:09 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The planet's ruling Yoruba family mostly just sticks to the forested parts in the south and turns a blind eye to what's going on up north and so that's a wary sort of truce between them.
51:23 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But where the pikes are really from is a different outer rim planet, a dark gray planet called Obedia, which is at the end of the infamous Kessel Run.
51:32 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And Obedia is known for its obsidian cliffs, but it's not a friendly world, and it doesn't have friendly people, so you won't find many non-pikes there.
51:43 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So as far as we've seen, most pikes are involved in the syndicate in sort of the planet's main business, and they like to operate away from the control of official governments.
51:57 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: although they have been known to make alliances with other underworld organizations, especially, of course, in this, at this point in the timeline, under the leadership of mall.
52:09 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So there is a mall son of Dathamir, four-part comic series, which takes place toward the end of the Clone Wars.
52:16 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It was released, I don't know, like 10 years ago or something.
52:19 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But in that series, you can, this is also the series where Mother Towson is killed again.
52:25 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: where she sacrifices herself to save Mal, but in that series you also see how some of the members of the Shadow Collective like the Pikes and like their frenemies, the Black Sun have started to grow weary with Mal putting revenge before their financial interests and safety.
52:45 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's not surprising to learn this week that they turned on mall when he fled to them after order 66 kicked in.
52:53 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I'm a little surprised that he would choose to flee to the pikes in the first place, but I guess he was running away from Mandalore.
53:00 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And he knew the first place the Imperials would look for him was Dathamir.
53:03 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So, a man with few other friends, where else would he go, I suppose?
53:10 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot more about the Pikes and especially the Clone Wars series, but we see in there how Mark Krim becomes the head of the Pikes Indicate that is until Mall ended his reign in this week's episodes, but readers of the Dark Disciple Book might remember Krim as the crime lord who hired Ventress and Vost to rescue his family from the Black Sun.
53:31 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, like I said, they are definite front of me, Pikes and Black Sun.
53:37 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, RIP cram after this week, long live pike captain called, I guess, and that is the basics of the pike syndicate just to close with adventurous watch.
53:49 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Check in, I'm thinking they've already set up a lot of moving pieces that they need to deal with this season.
53:55 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So I am slightly delaying my adventurous watch to, I'm going to say it's more likely for season two, since we know that's coming, but
54:04 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm prepared to be surprised and I'm looking forward to the rest of this season regardless.
54:09 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, bye!
54:10 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_05]: We're not hurt against strength anymore, we're at tropical storm, but it could build back up again.
54:15 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_05]: So stay tuned.
54:17 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
54:18 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Brian, did you know much about the pike's prior to this?
54:21 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
54:22 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel well educated.
54:23 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:24 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
54:25 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember some of the plots that she was mentioning in the TV shows, but yeah, that's a lot of it I've forgotten.
54:33 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's great.
54:34 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_05]: And the pikes are just around, right?
54:36 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_05]: They're just sort of a general purpose bad guy that they can sort of drop in.
54:41 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_05]: And just, yeah, you know, who roots for space heroine dealers, right?
54:49 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, they're just easy to, you know, easy to hate, easy to blow up.
54:54 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they look, they look a little scary, a little intimidating too, which is nice.
54:59 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And bro, just was sitting around in his throne room doing nothing when they walked in and said, hey, you got a call and he's like, he's just sitting there looking very bad guy.
55:07 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:08 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:09 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all and he was just a thrown with swords.
55:12 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
55:16 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_04]: John thoughts on the on the pipes in the kit.
55:19 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think they make for a great protagonist antagonist.
55:24 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to, because there's so much underutilized Star Wars characters and...
55:34 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_04]: settings, and places, and people, and things, I felt so long time that I've wanted to get away from, excuse me, Jedi, Sith, all right, back and forth.
55:48 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I wanted to get away from the Skywalker's and the main storyline.
55:54 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and explore the universe truly that, you know,
55:58 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_04]: that we now know exists, you know, we didn't have that with the original trilogy.
56:04 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't have that.
56:05 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't get much of it after either, but now there's so much possibilities that I want more of these characters that
56:19 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_04]: We just hear about hearing there.
56:23 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I want to go to the other room, you know, I want to see where I want to see what thorn is from.
56:30 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, these are the things that I'm interested in now.
56:34 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I could, you can give me a show that doesn't have a Jedi Sith background.
56:43 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And I would be perfectly fine with that.
56:47 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_04]: away from the empire, away from, you know, first order, away from rebuilding the Jedi.
56:54 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I can watch eight to ten episodes of something else within this universe.
57:00 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
57:00 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
57:01 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
57:01 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Having a story with the pikes, you know, involving them in this way shows you that, you know, there are other moving pieces to the Star Wars, um, galaxy.
57:13 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
57:16 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_05]: uh... brain the fight with uh... eardico defy i'm gonna i don't have a written in front of me now i'm gonna fund it completely make a mess of it john do you have a handle on it he could know he's done jennie he could do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
57:35 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and he is, uh, was it, is it Dennis Hayespert was, was that the actor who voices?
57:39 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
57:40 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I called it out last week.
57:41 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Hayespert.
57:43 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
57:43 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:43 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you hate to hate on, that's my guy.
57:46 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Hate to hate him.
57:46 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
57:47 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:48 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_04]: He's grown.
57:49 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Can I just say I was rooting for Mall to strike him down?
57:55 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, in the fight.
57:57 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, see that right up front.
58:00 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I was waiting for the final, you know, blow to you know, I was going to happen now.
58:06 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted it to happen.
58:08 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I don't need him.
58:11 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_05]: but that isn't he a foil for uh... i know i don't want to down through which he's going to have to have a moment of forgiveness or anger yes all of that is baby but just make it happen just get done
58:29 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_05]: We got, we got a few more episodes to go, so Brian, are you, are you, are you putting odds that EOD go doco doco doco doco doco is not going to make it out alive this season?
58:46 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't really see like drawn.
58:50 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see him as a vehicle.
58:52 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his character's kind of limited.
58:54 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, it's, he's playing the flat Jedi mask.
58:59 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
59:00 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so yeah.
59:02 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And Devon needs to, she's a more interesting character.
59:07 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So she needs to kind of, you know, just break loose and see what happens.
59:16 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's, you know, I don't see anything super special about him.
59:20 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
59:20 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're all ziggin.
59:22 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_04]: What if the show decides to die?
59:26 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
59:26 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like we're all ziggin' the same.
59:28 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
59:29 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
59:30 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I know.
59:31 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I know.
59:32 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I know.
59:34 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_05]: What I would like is a T ceremony with mall and Dockey.
59:41 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_05]: and debating the relative merits of the Jedi order and like having one of those.
59:48 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Give me an hour of that.
59:50 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Give me an hour of that.
59:53 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_04]: What an hour.
59:53 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Give me an hour.
59:55 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
59:55 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
59:56 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm into.
59:56 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Just taking the Jedi order like point by point.
59:59 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_05]: No add home and attacks.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Just all very policy oriented and real world.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's just breaking down.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm waiting for this moment.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, mall could just talk to a master about all the problems that I had, all it's bad history.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh, that would be so amazing.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love it.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I don't know what else do you guys got anything else for episode four.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's pretty straight forward.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I was taking a bunch of notes during episode three in the episode four.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I was just like, no, okay.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_05]: This is a pretty standard crime story.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you guys are policing in the Empire thoughts.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, before that, you know, I have the Y attack mall.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: This comes out of the discord.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about two things, two questions.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would the police go in against mall without backup?
01:00:56 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And two, Y did Devon and Daki fight mall in the first place.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So the first question, I think, first of all, you know, going in,
01:01:07 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: without backup is like a trope, right?
01:01:09 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Way for backup and the partners that knack, I'm going in, right?
01:01:14 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But what are my least favorite tropes?
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But of a most of them interested in this idea of for loss and how well do they know mall?
01:01:25 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: do they even know he was a Sith Lord?
01:01:28 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So they just think he's like a criminal that we could deal with.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So they probably didn't think of what we know as viewers.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We know him all very well.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw his whole story.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's probably another reason why they just decide to just barge in because they think it's us another syndicate and another criminal
01:01:52 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Devon and Daki, well, you know, some of have we already talked about just briefly before, but there's this, I think, you know, with the Jedi, there's this culture of justice, right, that they have to like Devon talks to Daki about just like, you know, about justice.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's hubris, right, about the Jedi, they can go in and save the day,
01:02:16 --> 01:02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: but also Devon has the same kind of youth kind of spirit that Luke had.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember Luke also went out of his training with Yoda and Obi-Wan saying, oh, I gotta help my friends.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta go.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll come back.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I promise that youth kind of, I gotta help.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta do something.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And Devon also shows that kind of youthfulness.
01:02:44 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_04]: uh... some of my answers to those questions are on the discord got it got it and it says piggy piggy back off of that i think she found that because of mall uh... yeah okay it wasn't hard jedi training it wasn't her being with her jedi master that pushed her there mall yeah mm-hmm similar one well did because when he asked her what are you doing with that power
01:03:13 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
01:03:40 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Which is what I loved always about Andor is that all the other rebels were playing the game where there were playing the ISB's game.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Only Luthin was playing outside the game.
01:03:58 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_05]: And that took an extraordinary effort on Luthin's part to be able to do that, to think about, and to make moves that the ISB could never see coming.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, yes.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_05]: They were collecting to him, not them, right, yeah, you know what I mean?
01:04:17 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right, they had to react to Luthin.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So she's taken a stand that she wouldn't have taken.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_04]: prior to her encounter with more.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Nice.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And is it this way?
01:04:30 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, some some resolution to of why mall didn't kill loss in during the prison break?
01:04:37 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Because he says like your your might see something here.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can you.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, mall is trying to he's yeah, more like smart.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,
01:04:52 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: anyone to be an operational master, but you know, and don't all the kicks and everything, but it takes right, it takes someone special to know is a strategy.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, put all the pieces together.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_04]: When he kills Club, when he tells Kills Krem, he doesn't take the seat on the throne.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_05]: He says, a normal criminal would do.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Say, who are you?
01:05:13 --> 01:05:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you, you, you, you the head, you the head captain.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:19 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, you're in charge now, but everything runs through me.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_04]: That's some real G shit right there.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm playing.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm in the background.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_04]: You You didn't have all the trappings.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_05]: You didn't have all the playing.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_05]: You could have all the drip.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But I have something that bigger in mind.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to get something else.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Not just serious.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:45 [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm using all of this to get to that point.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So you can do all of this, you could be the face, you can have all the accolades, I'm gonna move in shadows.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna whisper in the dark.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:05:57 --> 01:05:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, nice.
01:05:59 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Cool.
01:05:59 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, great way to end the episode with the start of story.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, again, sort of really using the visual language of Star Wars without just recycling it blindly.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and so I thought that that was effective because yeah, when that thing rolls into your town, man, over to your point.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, forget about it.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you think troopers, tie fighters, you know, big cannons, all of it is, as it's flying over the thought that I had in my head, it's like, is it as big as the city?
01:06:31 --> 01:06:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, because that's that's the that's the way they presented like it's going to overshadow the entire city.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to just like the sun.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:42 [SPEAKER_05]: just like the destroyer over Jeddah.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the same thing.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The visual language of the empire, we literally are a boot over you.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we are going to call the shots now.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Brian, did you have some thoughts on the policing question in the Empire?
01:07:00 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll try to be, I'll be brief and once we get the blog upgrade entry up, I could share that, but so...
01:07:13 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking, I found a helpful article on the Holocaust Museum website that kind of guided my thoughts about the relationship between the empire and local police forces.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So, quickly, Hitler and Himmler, who's later the SS, wanted to control German police departments.
01:07:30 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And this makes sense, right, because the police are an effective tool for authoritarianism, authoritarianism.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and they do different things than a military does.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Designed for a different purpose, whereas civilian, whether you're a military paramilitary, whatever policing is different than
01:07:53 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_05]: combat, you know, combat operas.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:07:57 --> 01:08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And they wanted to, I said, I sensibly is supposed to be this way.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And so like the empire, Germany's police forces were decentralized.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So they wanted to centralize it, right, to give them more control over the policing.
01:08:19 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But they needed the police.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They needed their expertise.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But they wanted to at the same time centralize them.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So there are certain tools that we could follow that the kind of like the Galactic Empire.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So the tools are removing individual rights and and prosec and protections.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we got that in this universe, right storm troopers and visitors can take people way torture them, kill them.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's check.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We got that.
01:08:47 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: with Nazi police party officials check two boots kicks off a set of protocols to bring in the empire back to uses that word protocol it's protocol so there's something that an agreement between the empire and Janix police force was created so the other thing is to replace police leadership with party loyalists well that's so much here because we have droids
01:09:13 --> 01:09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: they can be programmed, but we have lost in the chief and others that are kind of wary of the empire at this early stage.
01:09:19 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have that complete takeover.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So we can't really check that box.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:30 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're not really at the level of political leadership of the police.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I think she's just his captain or whatever immediate superior chief.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not, is she the chief?
01:09:37 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a cheap police.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I wouldn't read.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't, they don't code her for me as the chief.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_05]: They code her more as like a precinct captain or something like that.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Not the actual chief.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:50 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, okay, that's just me then.
01:09:52 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a me problem.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Because a political leadership, she's behind a desk.
01:09:56 --> 01:09:59 [SPEAKER_05]: She's not sometimes chiefs of police are in uniform.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes they're not at depends on the culture of the police force.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I just didn't code her as the chief.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_05]: But.
01:10:06 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, moving on.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's that's important.
01:10:11 --> 01:10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And the final box is the
01:10:14 --> 01:10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: the Nazis used propaganda and emerged the police with the party, they did events, they did misinformation, and disinformation, helpfulness for area and people, mostly, but that also hasn't been checked.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That box had really been checked.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is, I think, with the empire, it's size.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So for Hitler, it took three years,
01:10:36 --> 01:10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: up to six years to really centralize the police force in Germany.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So it took even for them a number of years to do that.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you can imagine the empire so large, that even if the emperor and the governors who wanted to do this, it would take probably decades, maybe a hundred years or two hundred years because of all the planets.
01:10:58 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you look at the planets, what police forces are on there on the planet,
01:11:03 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: it's just so many police, you know, local police units out there that I think it would take a long time.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But the scary part of it all is that many German police forces just work with the Nazis.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They just work with them, especially during the Holocaust.
01:11:21 --> 01:11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the questions will be well, local police forces on the planet's just work with the Empire, right?
01:11:28 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They said, okay.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: your your in charge will just you know maybe in this case we'll give up your our power and you can just arrest this person you know I imagine maybe an acquisitor being on that star ship is going to come down and start taking people and the police force may just say okay we can't do anything right yeah yeah so that's kind of the quick and dirty of it all
01:11:51 --> 01:12:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Like a federal law enforcement agency, superseding local ones and local cops not being able to get access to evidence or anything else.
01:12:02 --> 01:12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, that's that's interesting.
01:12:08 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, cool.
01:12:08 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I look forward to your art.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I want to see that fleshed out.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, nothing sounds like a fleshed out.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:22 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:22 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:25 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:12:25 --> 01:12:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Like Alicia first said, I think two boots is going to learn a very harsh lesson.
01:12:30 --> 01:12:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Because yeah, he that is what's going to happen.
01:12:37 --> 01:12:42 [SPEAKER_04]: What we know is going to happen is not what two boots is expecting to happen.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
01:12:43 --> 01:12:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:12:48 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Who knows what they're going to do to his programming and the protocols that they can force on him because it's unlike a person, you can be ordered to do something, but they can't overwrite your memory circuits.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Your programming.
01:13:01 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Right cool.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we will be back here next week for episodes of Five and Six and we'll see where we go from here and we're just bearing along.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_05]: So this is pretty good so far.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Brian, do you want to tell folks a little bit about our upcoming into the West plans because we've got some things in motion.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we do.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We just did a vote for Gene Hackman's movie.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to set up the premise of India?
01:13:35 --> 01:13:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, we're going to set up the elevator pitch on it.
01:13:37 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:13:38 --> 01:13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We have so many unfortunate deaths of major artists in cinema lately that
01:13:46 --> 01:13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: you, Alicia and John were taking on that mantle, and it just became too much, you wanted to kind of break that pre.
01:13:54 --> 01:14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So my sister, Red Zippy and I, and you David, we came together and put together this into the West where we honor those artists who have passed.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So we take a look
01:14:13 --> 01:14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: and then we will vote on a film.
01:14:18 --> 01:14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And so for Gene Hackman, it's the conversation, and we'll schedule that.
01:14:24 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But also we're going to have a special guest with Marilyn.
01:14:27 --> 01:14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk
01:14:30 --> 01:14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: really into the West and what that really means.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That phrase, that honoring from Tolken and some other other cultures.
01:14:40 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to do that with Marilyn as we are going to do Gene Hepin, and then we're also going to have Robert Duval and Catherine O'Hara.
01:14:49 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:14:49 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Those are our next two.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:14:51 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_05]: And then yeah, the way we do it is we'll get together for a filmography review.
01:14:55 --> 01:14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
01:14:56 --> 01:15:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll pick a handful of movies and then we put that to it's open public to the vote as anybody who listens can can vote on it.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll have that and then whatever movie the people pick will discuss.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks absolutely cool.
01:15:09 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_05]: John, what do you got planned for Daredevil coverage?
01:15:14 --> 01:15:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're going to break it up, but I've called the right to have an audible if there's a episode that needs to be discussed immediately.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Then we will we will get on the mics to discuss, but we're going to break it up the next, probably you hear it from us about that level in another week or so.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:15:35 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Punisher, there's a special bone.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Then we will be doing that as well.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:46 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a special just one hour special that's going to drop immediately after that devil ends.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Are they going to respond?
01:15:48 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Punisher.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Which within leads us into spider bear?
01:15:54 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_04]: So yes, it's about to be a very busy few weeks and months.
01:15:59 --> 01:16:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:03 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we have spider noir coming up as well.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's going to happen.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Is this separate thing, right?
01:16:05 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a gentle story.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Nick Cage.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Nick Cage and can't wait to see Nick kill him.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_04]: This character, because as you know, Nick Cage, when he gets into it, he gets into it.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So did he deny them Superman?
01:16:22 --> 01:16:28 [SPEAKER_04]: So I can only imagine what Nick Cage and this we're going to have
01:16:29 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Spider-Man brand new day is that what they're setting up for you to lie.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I had to go to that.
01:16:35 --> 01:16:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I had to go to the show tracker Which you can hit off the link tree and we have two different tracks for the movies and television shows So I had to like look because we used to have a unified, but it was a lot so now we've split them up
01:16:47 --> 01:16:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's on the Marvel side, and of course Supergirl, which we'll be covering as well.
01:16:53 --> 01:16:58 [SPEAKER_05]: And of course we have Mandalorian and Grogu coming out at the end of May, so we're gonna hate that.
01:16:58 --> 01:16:59 [SPEAKER_05]: We just want to move these stuff.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_05]: They just drop a new trailer.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Did they ever miss that?
01:17:01 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_04]: They did.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Today.
01:17:03 --> 01:17:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I haven't watched it yet.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to watch it after we wrap, but they just go up a new the final trailer, they said.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:11 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the final one.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
01:17:12 --> 01:17:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:18 [SPEAKER_05]: So then Alicia and Red Zippy speaking of Red Zippy just did a full podcast.
01:17:18 --> 01:17:20 [SPEAKER_05]: It was supposed to be what you're watching.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Subscribe or just click off the cuff thing, but they have just like, no, we have to talk about this.
01:17:24 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_05]: So that is in the feeds.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Alicia and I also did a full coverage of Hamlet Res Ahmed's version of 2026 version of John.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:35 [SPEAKER_05]: You have to see them.
01:17:35 --> 01:17:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm planning on seeing it if not this week next week.
01:17:38 --> 01:17:43 [SPEAKER_05]: because my man, Riz, is like, he's breaking it down and he's like, no, it's not about this indecisive kid.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:56 [SPEAKER_05]: This is about a power and what the effect of power is on people and how it turns them up and how you awake to the fact that you're part of a system that is exploiting people.
01:17:56 --> 01:17:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you had me when you said he's about to break it down.
01:17:59 --> 01:18:00 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I was saying?
01:18:00 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, you had me there, bro.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:04 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a whole different interpretation.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_05]: It's amazing.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just from a different cultural lens.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_05]: It's awesome.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:14 [SPEAKER_05]: What else we got going on here?
01:18:14 --> 01:18:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Let me go back to the TV track.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I know that radioactive ramblers are covering the boys and I think they were wrapping up on invincible so check their feet out for coverage and it's yeah it's the boys are starting off good from what I hear right best this is the best season and all right two or three right all right here we go let's get in on that so go check out radioactive ramblers in the link tree in the show notes
01:18:42 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I definitely, I'm going to see how the terror comes out, that anthology horror show.
01:18:48 --> 01:18:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I loved the first season of that, so we'll see what they bring us for season three, and if it's good, we'll maybe we'll do a one-shallon on it.
01:18:57 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you got some spider noir, and then, of course, we have the big juggernaut heading down the highway at us, House of the Dragon.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Man, I'm trying to do my season one re-watch.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:08 [SPEAKER_05]: That was just such a...
01:19:07 --> 01:19:10 [SPEAKER_05]: brutal season of television.
01:19:10 --> 01:19:26 [SPEAKER_05]: It's so well produced and it's so well-acted and all the stuff but man like these people suck There are these people suck There's very few people you want to emulate and now I want to hang with these people now
01:19:28 --> 01:19:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm getting intimidated for season three too because like this is gonna be a lot of historical stuff and I don't know if John is into it So like a genre if it's you and me, man, we're gonna I mean it's rough man, it's rough show
01:19:48 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_05]: to tell.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:53 [SPEAKER_05]: So we have a lot more coming down the pipe to Ted Lasso's come in the bears coming back.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:55 [SPEAKER_05]: We got Dune movie.
01:19:55 --> 01:20:00 [SPEAKER_05]: One piece John and Alicia been doing the live actions on one piece.
01:20:00 --> 01:20:01 [SPEAKER_05]: So they'll have a second episode of that.
01:20:02 --> 01:20:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Can I interest anyone in NASA's of the universe?
01:20:05 --> 01:20:05 [SPEAKER_04]: He
01:20:06 --> 01:20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think I had a kit toy of this, yeah.
01:20:15 --> 01:20:17 [SPEAKER_05]: What do you see in it, are you tracking it?
01:20:17 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Is it looking good?
01:20:19 --> 01:20:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna have to watch it.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna have to watch it.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I might have to do it.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch it.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch it.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you may have to.
01:20:26 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna have to watch it on this.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:30 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm checking out the show tracker.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:31 [SPEAKER_05]: What do we got here?
01:20:32 --> 01:20:33 [SPEAKER_05]: June 5th, right?
01:20:33 --> 01:20:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Movie.
01:20:34 --> 01:20:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:36 [SPEAKER_05]: It's an adaptation.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:38 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:20:38 --> 01:20:39 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:46 [SPEAKER_05]: These boys are, I mean, we got a blonde hair, you know, hot guy, like leads to his hair.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And he has the power.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to have to watch it.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_05]: What's this actor's name?
01:20:53 --> 01:20:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what this guy is even.
01:20:56 --> 01:20:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Never seen him before.
01:20:57 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Here let me hit the Wikipedia page.
01:20:59 --> 01:20:59 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:21:00 --> 01:21:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Fair enough.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Nicholas.
01:21:03 --> 01:21:04 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know how to pronounce his name.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Young guy.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:06 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see.
01:21:06 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you just albums in it?
01:21:07 --> 01:21:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
01:21:08 --> 01:21:10 [SPEAKER_05]: And you're just getting this bag.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, right.
01:21:12 --> 01:21:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Clay faces coming in 2020.
01:21:13 --> 01:21:14 [SPEAKER_04]: OK. All right.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, let's know.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:17 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of stuff happening.
01:21:17 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_05]: It's wearing this low right now.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's going to be a crazy summer.
01:21:22 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be easy.
01:21:23 --> 01:21:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's get out of here.
01:21:25 --> 01:21:27 [SPEAKER_05]: We've taken up enough of the people's time.
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01:22:48 --> 01:22:50 [SPEAKER_05]: This is Brian E 63 guys showing up all over the world.
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01:23:35 --> 01:23:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for ever last but never least, Adrienne, and yes, YouTube can send us instructions for how you want your nickname or name pronounced like with dopamine, we say it like I sort of spoke
01:23:49 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_05]: it's an answer thing every time, Norles is always a question.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Adrian has asked to always be last.
01:23:54 --> 01:23:58 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you want some special spin on your name, you can just let us know.
01:23:58 --> 01:24:01 [SPEAKER_05]: For 10 bucks a month, 108 bucks a year come on.
01:24:01 --> 01:24:08 [SPEAKER_05]: You can have your name read by us in some weird way that you only you get a little ziz for.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:11 [SPEAKER_05]: But thank you all to our alarm masters.
01:24:11 --> 01:24:12 [SPEAKER_05]: We really appreciate you.
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01:24:15 --> 01:24:39 [SPEAKER_05]: uh... jom brion thanks for joining me this was fun thank you this was fun that was nice to be on the proper broadcasting in five minute unlike not trying to give you our dive jom but i'm yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
01:24:40 --> 01:24:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you know what, we never listen to Alicia's damn comic comic comic.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:51 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's drop the comic thing and then, sorry Alicia, you put all that work you do it and we've completely forgot to play it earlier.
01:24:51 --> 01:24:53 [SPEAKER_05]: We just got caught in our own conversations.
01:24:53 --> 01:24:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So here's Alicia's thing.
01:24:55 --> 01:24:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I'll, but that's a lot of editing.
01:24:57 --> 01:24:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, let's play it now.
01:24:58 --> 01:25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So about the prelude comic series, Shadow of Mall, I did read the second comic, which came out last week.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It does tie into the show very nicely.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Brander Lawson keeps having to miss his son, I don't know, how do we say the sport, boat akin, the boat akin, the lacrosse looking sport.
01:25:18 --> 01:25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He keeps having to miss his son's matches.
01:25:20 --> 01:25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's nice that he at least got to make an appearance in the show this week.
01:25:25 --> 01:25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, I'm interested to see what they're setting up there and I'm wondering now that we've learned that Brandon's ex is a member of the empire, I'm wondering if she might show up next week as well and that could be some juicy family conversation.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But otherwise, in the comic, it's Brander and two boots going after Nico Demis, who we sell die in the first episode of the show.
01:25:48 --> 01:25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But who in the comic has a growing tension with Mario, who, yeah, in the show, we saw Mario will eventually kill him.
01:25:56 --> 01:25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So we know where that story is going.
01:25:57 --> 01:26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But in the comic, Brander is worried about what will happen if the balance between the crime lords of Janix is upset.
01:26:05 --> 01:26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that's definitely one of the multifaceted shifts in dynamics we see being set up in the first half of the TV series.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: In the comic, as well, two books is being two books and always wants to report situations up the chain of command, where Brande is like, let's just try to handle this ourselves and is generally less keen to trust authority figures, even though he kind of is an authority figure himself.
01:26:32 --> 01:26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But then, Brander rushes in rashly in things get messy, so in a way, I do sympathize with order craving two boots wanting to follow the chain of command more after all, as Brander says in the comic, two boots is programmed to follow orders.
01:26:48 --> 01:27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's good to see their characterizations remain consistent, though in the comic Brander pointed out that his son's favorite boat akin, however we're saying that player, favors strategy over strength.
01:27:04 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes his strategy is to create chaos so that he can slip in and take a win.
01:27:10 --> 01:27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So this seems to be how Brander operates as well.
01:27:13 --> 01:27:19 [SPEAKER_00]: and then meanwhile in the comics mall has just secretly landed on Janx and reconnected with his allies.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It does feel so far like this comic should be titled Brander Lawson rather than mall, but I'm enjoying it.
01:27:26 --> 01:27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gorgeous.
01:27:27 --> 01:27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: There are three more issues left in the series.
01:27:30 --> 01:27:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The next one comes out May 13th, so one week after the show ends and then issue four will be out June 10th
01:27:42 --> 01:27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll talk about the rest of the series when it's done on the Star Wars Canon Patawan feed for subscribers to that pod.
01:27:48 --> 01:27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And eventually on the public feed, the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast when I get that far in the timeline.
01:27:54 --> 01:27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, these were my fresh takes and prelude comic updates.
01:27:58 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I will check back in later during your recording with this week's lower report.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: All about the pike syndicate.
01:28:05 --> 01:28:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Bye!
01:28:06 --> 01:28:13 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, a little bit out of order, but good information, and I figured out how I'll do a future editor drop in it to begin the podcast to make sure everybody sticks around for them.
01:28:13 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So apologies, Alicia.
01:28:15 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
01:28:15 --> 01:28:18 [SPEAKER_05]: We broke up your order a little bit, but we were just in our groove.
01:28:19 --> 01:28:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
01:28:19 --> 01:28:20 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, gentlemen.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks much.
01:28:21 --> 01:28:23 [SPEAKER_05]: We will see you next week.
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