David, Jean, and Bryan close out the first season of Star Wars: Maul - Shadow Lord with a finale that earns a standing ovation from the entire team. The conversation opens with reactions to a season they rank among the best Star Wars storytelling ever produced, animated or live action, before diving into full-spoiler discussion of both episodes. The team explores the shifting alliances and escalating power dynamics of the finale, Daki's complete character arc and the respect he ultimately earns, and the question of whether Devon's final choice is truly her own or the product of masterful manipulation. Bryan raises a compelling question about legacy versus weaponry in the Sith tradition, while Jean unpacks the cycle of grief and loss that connects the dark side across generations. Elysia delivers fresh takes and a lore bomb on the history of Stormtroopers. The crew also previews a packed slate of upcoming coverage across the network.
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00:18 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to the Lorehounds where your guides the underbelly of the Empire.
00:22 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm David and this is our coverage of episodes nine and ten the season finale for the new Star Wars animated feature mall shadow lord
00:33 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_09]: with me to bring the series home today.
00:36 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_09]: My brothers and the Force, Jean and Brian 863 guys, you know, I tend to avoid swearing a lot on the podcast, just to put it.
00:47 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But come on!
00:49 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_09]: standing ovation for this series like on this is unbelievable, unfricing believable.
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01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Joel, when did you know?
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_09]: Like, when did you know?
01:35 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_09]: What was your first clue?
01:38 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, boy, wow, I'm trying to think when
01:47 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what?
01:47 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
01:49 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_06]: You know why I say I don't know because I was so engaged and and grows in the story as it was happening.
01:57 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_06]: That's a great sign that I didn't catch the moment where I was like, I until the moment was there.
02:06 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
02:07 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Because I was just so riveted, watching what was happening on screen without that.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And then when it happened, it's just like,
02:16 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_09]: I was thinking of you, but I ended up with your big moment.
02:22 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, I think I had a strong clue when the trooper turned to the other trooper and says, tell him, oh, that was the inquisitors.
02:35 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not the trooper is the inquisitors, yes, tell the inquisitors, tell him that they're
02:45 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_09]: That's what I knew for sure also at the same time, but then when I was doing my second watch, which I did just like a little while ago, because this week's been crazy, and so I had like 1.5 speed try to cram in a quick second watch.
02:57 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Was there's a second star destroyer that shows up right at the beginning of nine.
03:04 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_09]: The first one is hovering over the city, another one floats in.
03:07 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_09]: That's when we all should know.
03:11 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I missed it.
03:12 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
03:13 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_09]: So good.
03:15 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_09]: So good.
03:16 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Brian.
03:16 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_09]: So what are your fresh tanks for this season and episodes?
03:23 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The season I would have to say it is up there.
03:29 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: with probably one of the best animated Star Wars.
03:33 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
03:33 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only one, like I said, I think in the first episode, the one I haven't seen yet, that people rave about is bad batch, but I've seen all the rest of the other animated shows.
03:44 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So I do need to see that, but man, that's so good, so good.
03:50 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And it brings up just so much complexity and, you know,
03:59 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: sympathetic, maybe tragic figure, yes, just so many things coming out of all this, it appeals to everyone.
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is.
04:11 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, and we keep talking about the animation, yes, yes, every week, it's boring.
04:17 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll bond, guys.
04:17 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I do it for a while, the driving, the animation, but I think over all for the entire season, it's like you wouldn't you would see in a cinema.
04:30 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think we should do a full ranking of all Star Wars live action and animate it and because it gets complex especially with visions and that kind of stuff.
04:42 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_09]: But season one of mall is slotting in right below and door for me and and door is number one season one of and door to me is one of the greatest season of television ever I love season two But season one had more fields for me and I swear this season of mall is right up in there like I got to think about I mean there's a region see by is going on shore.
05:05 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't feel bad putting it in that upper upper echelon of ranking.
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_09]: John, how are you feeling about the episodes in the season?
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, definitely this season.
05:16 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_07]: My top five star was TV shows.
05:19 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Ever.
05:20 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Period.
05:20 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Enemy live action.
05:21 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
05:22 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
05:22 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.
05:24 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_09]: You're like, yeah.
05:24 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Why are you even making the distinction?
05:29 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not far, it's not far, I mean, it's just, like I said in the beginning, I was so engaged and engrossed in the story that I missed thinking about what's going to happen next.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
05:46 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_06]: It was just like, oh, let me be in, let me just sit here and let it unfold, because as it
05:58 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_06]: wonder about because it was all happening on screen and I just wanted to be present for what was happening on screen.
06:08 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's just great.
06:11 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Storytelling is great visually.
06:14 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just,
06:16 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_06]: when it makes you the show just makes you stop and just breathe and be totally immersed in what's going on.
06:35 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Wow, just that's a transcendental moment that that complete immersion moment where we that we seek in this kind of storytelling, be it a movie, be it a television show, books it's a little bit easier to drop into that because of the intimacy with the pages and the words, but visually, you know, we're watching the clock, we're feeling we're sitting in the chair and the movie theater, somebody's eating popcorn, loud, whatever there's a lot of distractions for us.
07:01 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_09]: So when something on screen can pull us in like this, it's a mark of, of creative.
07:09 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_06]: that the level of creative execution is incredible, just incredible, just, it was so well done.
07:15 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_06]: It was just really well done.
07:17 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And you know, we, I've been watching the show and E has been hovering around as I watch it, right?
07:26 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Not fully engaged in it, but you know, he's picking up on me, he's like, oh, okay, that's more or less, he likes more, of course, when it's guys.
07:34 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_06]: So,
07:35 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_06]: He's watching it, but he's not really watching it, but then when it happened, everything stopped.
07:43 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_06]: everything stopped.
07:45 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_06]: It just, the entire, everything that was happening before that was going on, wasn't going on anymore.
07:54 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And he was just like glued.
07:57 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_09]: I would have loved to see that if you had been holding like a bowl of cereal or something, kind of just sitting there like, is the bowl as slowly as we're doing?
08:05 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_09]: That's he's completely ingrained.
08:07 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so that, that to me tells me something, it also tells me about the power of characters.
08:14 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, there are some characters that are just really special, you know, in storytelling, and they're just really...
08:23 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_06]: you know, they have a hold on you and that is one of those characters that does that, you know, just captivating when done right, when done correctly, just simply a captivating figure and, you know, things stop when he's on screen.
08:40 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_09]: And I think they've done a really good job of learning the lessons from visions, learning the lessons from the previous animated series,
08:53 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_09]: from the television shows.
08:56 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_09]: and really synthesized a show.
08:59 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_09]: I got a lot of OG fields, right?
09:03 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_09]: There were sort of chase things and danger things and music cues that really brought me back into that original trilogy.
09:12 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_09]: But it never felt recycled.
09:13 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_09]: It never felt like a retread.
09:16 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_09]: But yet it felt very star wars.
09:18 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Obviously the animation, and I think they've learned a lot from a lot of other animators and seeing how the fandom
09:26 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_09]: But then when you think about mall and I don't know the animated series like you guys do and a lot of our listeners do, but he was just always very a little mustache twirly for me in the animated and again, you know, I'm not deep in it.
09:42 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_09]: So, but they've made him so nuanced.
09:48 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_09]: and the level of storytelling, they really have this feels to me like a true evolution in the form and in the storytelling.
09:59 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_09]: And I appreciate the fact that they have that they're leaning into that and they're really trying to apply.
10:07 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Brian, you have a far off thought.
10:17 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel in a way, uh, it's a shame that, uh, uh, you know, we, we pick up mall later in later, you know, shows like rebels, right?
10:29 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He pops in and I'm going to have to rewatch some of those episodes where he's in there and I think he tries to do something there, right?
10:35 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think he tries, yeah, because he tries to, I think, bring Ezra to the Dark Side, right?
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:44 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:47 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, you know, it's like, you just want more and more, and it wish like, you know, this will continue on for another season.
10:55 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many seasons of plans to, but it, it, I'm hoping that, you know, they make that connection, those connective tissues between the show and we'll be
11:12 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They move on to rebels while be like, yeah, all right, this is great, you know, it's all kind of connected.
11:18 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping that the creators are looking a little bit ahead to see, okay, this is the end point.
11:25 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is kind of how we need to map this out, because sometimes, you know, there's, it had happens in the creative process where things develop, you know, you create something toward the end first and then the middle part comes later.
11:42 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not unusual and sometimes it works.
11:45 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_09]: People's storytelling is really hard because you're playing with more information and you are techniques and actors who've had time to think about their characters in different ways and writers to learn these lessons and then you're telling something that's got to fit into something that was done prior, you know, that's older and with it made in a different time set.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: like the original trilogy, the movies, right?
12:12 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:13 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
12:13 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
12:13 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_09]: And I think we'll yeah for for absolutely sure.
12:17 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And Jonah, I'm just thinking too about your son's reaction to this too, they did a really good job of balancing elements that appeal both to adolescence and adults.
12:29 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
12:29 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_09]: This was a lot of the cool thing was like completely like, oh my god, right?
12:33 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_09]: But it worked.
12:34 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_09]: And then you did effectively.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, so they learned lessons and they applied up my thing.
12:39 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right.
12:41 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's just, you know, again, it's the thing with this show is that we know how it ends from all, right?
12:53 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm talking about the far future.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_06]: We know how it ends from all.
12:57 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And to your point to tell, to both of your points, to tell the story where we are
13:07 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_06]: where I'm questioning like, should it have ended the way that it ended?
13:13 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I maybe, I don't want it to end that way anymore.
13:18 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I was cool with the way it ended.
13:21 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_09]: But now I'm like, and this goes to Brian's point about like the difficulty of of prequel storytelling.
13:31 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:34 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Because I'm really glad that they, oh, sorry, did you have another, yeah, no, no, I'm just saying, I'm I'm ready for the comeback.
13:43 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_05]: One thing that I really.
13:46 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_09]: One thing I'm really glad that they didn't do and I know we were doing some speculation.
13:53 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_09]: about this a couple of episodes ago like who the Crow really is and is at malls one of his brothers was erected and you know what did he see in his visions that's foreshadowing you know I'm glad they did none of that because I felt like it would have cheapened Vader's appearance like hey we did this you know this tricksy trickery stuff over here isn't this fun
14:23 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And then Vader shows up and then we'd be like, huh, you know, it'd be like, it'd be too much.
14:30 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_09]: And so I'm just glad that they played it straight and the creepy inquisitors or creepy inquisitors period.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_09]: So that really offsets.
14:40 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_09]: When Vader shows up, just how frick and powerful that dude is, right?
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_09]: We have a scale now.
14:46 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_09]: We can actually see a progression in a scale, and it's not like everything is everything because, oh, it's just crazy storytelling.
14:54 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_09]: It's actually know there are stakes and there are levels and levels to this.
14:59 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:00 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And Vader is so iconic that you're right, David, it would have been really hard to compete with that.
15:08 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
15:08 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were smart enough to do that because Vader takes center stage.
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Every time it comes on.
15:13 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_09]: Great.
15:13 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_09]: And especially at this time in his timeline, like where he is.
15:17 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_09]: So just real quick, well, no, I think we'll save it for 10.
15:21 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_09]: I had a note about Lawson's wife because we didn't get any resolution on that, but we'll say that for maybe for the end.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
15:27 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Alicia's takes her fresh out of the oven.
15:29 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_09]: I've got them loaded up.
15:30 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_09]: So let's give her fresh take on this and react to that.
15:34 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_09]: And then she's got her lore bomb this week is actually about troopers and some of the mobile armor and stuff like that.
15:40 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_09]: So a little bit of an interesting thing because we've covered
15:44 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_09]: We did a good job of covering all of the other important lore, like Crimson Dawn and other things.
15:50 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_09]: So anyway, here's Alicia's initial take.
15:54 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_09]: And again, she's kind of in half, so we'll kind of hear the end of it.
15:58 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_09]: And then when we go to episode nine, we'll play that at that time.
16:01 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Alicia here for my final fresh takes for Mall Shattered Lord, season 1, obviously incredible action in this show overall, and they sure did triple down on that for the finale.
16:14 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The action's definitely this strongest element of the show for me, just epitomized by that five-way fight between Mall Dev and Ducky and the two inquisitors we got, not to mention the answer to the question of which my Lord Mark was addressing in his call, which spoilers,
16:31 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It was indeed Vader, and he has a cool seeing mall reactivator for the first time because Vader was only created from Anakin, obviously, the events of Revenge of the Sith about a year before this.
16:45 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So he is not yet widely known, he's, you can see what he's been up to in the time in between in the 2017 run of Vader comics.
16:56 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But for Mall, he, you know, at first, he's like, oh, here's another inquisitor in a funny helmet, and then he starts fighting him, and he's like, what the fuck?
17:07 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: What it was interesting, the Mall seemed to sense that he was a Jedi trained by the Jedi.
17:12 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess he knows that about the inquisitors in general, but he definitely consents that Vader was a special breed who also had the same Sith training as he did as well.
17:23 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It was cool to see how, I mean, Vader was not even really putting an effort into this, um, no sweat.
17:31 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we didn't hear him speak.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't hear him grunt or anything like that.
17:34 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And his movements were almost laxedasical.
17:37 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, just parrying and pressing, pressing forward and he knew that he completely outmatched all of them, even when they teamed up together against him.
17:46 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that the people who have been complaining that dual of the fates is supposed to be Anakin's song and it's been kind of turned into malls theme song because of the way it was used in Attack of the Clones.
17:57 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I hope those people are satisfied to see mall and Vader actually have a dual of the fates between them.
18:05 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of characters went on this episode way more than I expected to be honest, I mean, you know, RIP, obviously, Ducky, Rook, Icarus, all of the rest, but Spy thought, why did they take Spy thought from me and from all?
18:21 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That is just a step too far.
18:24 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot believe it.
18:25 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: An all seriousness by Lot has been one of the peaks of the show for me by the way he's voiced by the Shadowlord Sound Supervisor David W. Collins who is
18:40 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's the overall supervisor so he could also he could do spybot in the fly and like come up with more lines is he's editing and things like that.
18:48 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But he is also the one who got Sam Whitware voicing mall his first Star Wars job as Star Killer in the game the Force Unleashed.
18:57 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're not aware other than mall the other most famous Star Wars thing that Sam Whitware has done is he is the
19:10 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And people keep wanting star killer to be brought into canon.
19:15 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And what did they give us instead?
19:16 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Star killer base.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What, what, what, what, what.
19:21 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a after Mara Jade.
19:23 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I hear the most people complaining about where star killer in canon.
19:30 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
19:30 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I think just in her first half.
19:33 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_09]: That was a lot of episode 10, so we'll see where she's got for us later, but we'll save that for a minute.
19:42 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_09]: A really quick before we take a break and get into episode 9, we do get a piece of feedback from Ken as usual.
19:52 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you, Ken, a long time listener, not first-time emailer.
19:57 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Senate in email, and I had to screenshot, I put it in the outline, just for it.
20:02 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_09]: He's got a picture of Vader doing the little heart symbol with his hands, and he says, the best animation, the best lightsaber fights since accolite.
20:14 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_09]: The one and only dark lord to round it out, 10 out of 10.
20:19 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_09]: What a way to spend Star Wars Day.
20:23 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And then he's got a picture of a grogu with his hands sort of raised up saying, maybe the fourth beat with you.
20:30 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_09]: And Ken writes now, bring on the Mandalorian and Grogu.
20:35 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_09]: A second.
20:37 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks, Ken.
20:38 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's save our Mando and Grogu for other conversations down the road.
20:43 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_09]: I've not been keeping up with, uh, I guess there's some more materials been released.
20:48 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_09]: tracking is coming and I don't know there's a lot of people saying a lot of things I'm just going to wait for the movie I think by and large and I'll see it when I see it and I know that there will be lorehounds talking about it so don't you worry great so let's take a break and we'll come back we'll get into episode nine
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_09]: and we're back.
21:21 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Episode 9, thank you Wikipedia for these fabulous episodes synopsis, chapter 9, a strange allies.
21:30 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Dryden Voss of the crime syndicate crimson dawn offers small safe passage of Janix and exchange for becoming crimson dawn's new leader.
21:41 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Mall sends a mental message to Devon.
21:44 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_09]: She leads the rest of the group to a meeting point where Mall poses an alliance, seat-outs planet, Lawson suggested an underground route to the rendezvous point outside the city.
21:54 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_09]: Coming to an acidic river of toxic waste, the groups slowly crosses as the inquisitors catch up with them, mall holds the inquisitors off long enough for the others to cross and then joins them.
22:07 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_09]: Outside the city, they're confronted by the inquisitors master, Darth Vader, who kills cast.
22:14 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Is that right?
22:15 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, kills rock.
22:17 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
22:18 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_09]: OK, Wikipedia thing is wrong there.
22:21 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, right.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_09]: I have way more notes for the episode than I do for episode 10.
22:26 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Like episode 10 was just kind of simple in some ways.
22:30 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_09]: But it was totally good.
22:31 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_09]: And I completely forgot.
22:32 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_09]: It was me, the force when these came out.
22:33 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_09]: So, uh, perfect way to to celebrate Star Wars day.
22:41 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_09]: Jean, why don't you start us off with your non-veader-related thoughts?
22:49 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_06]: The connection between Maul and Devon was so clear and that he was able to just, you know, reach out to her through the force to let her know where to go, what to do.
23:05 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_06]: And Daki was just like, fuck.
23:10 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_06]: He was just like, fuck.
23:16 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, first see this power with what's his name and what's her name in the in the final series of films.
23:28 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, man, I'm completely blanking actors and characters names.
23:33 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, Kyla Ren and Ray and Ray didn't he do that and he wasn't able to send a message out to her not in a non force ghost like way yes he was right.
23:46 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, they've been I think they've been a few others.
23:50 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, Luke and Leia communicated not verbally, right, yeah, which is more it was more just of a presence rather than like a specific communication this was a communication well, but then later there was something where he did Luke sent something toward it and he it's all getting mixed up in my head, no, anyway, but just just that little tidbit was just like so awesome.
24:13 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because it said to it's set my expectation was like, okay.
24:19 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Devon and Marla definitely more awake than, you know, more together than they appeared to be at first.
24:30 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, she's trying to not fall in line, right?
24:34 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_06]: She's trying to say, no, I'm not going to do this.
24:36 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to do this.
24:36 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_06]: But yet there is something that is, you know, binding them, holding them together.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I just love that little triangle.
24:50 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_07]: Right, that little monster energy drink reaction on his face.
24:53 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, sorry, I'm here.
24:56 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_06]: So that mall, Devon, Docky, where is he going to go?
25:02 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_06]: It was just like, okay.
25:06 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Mall.
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, bro, she's stepping out on you.
25:08 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, you're, your, your senses are telling you the truth.
25:10 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_05]: The truth is in your new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new.
25:17 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can imagine, I can't imagine the training that you would have to do to because putting a vision inside someone's head.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty intrusive.
25:28 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
25:28 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, whoa, you're putting, you know, against my will, you're putting something in my brain.
25:35 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And, but I guess for Jedi and, you know, for those who use the force, it's not.
25:40 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: crazy and usual.
25:41 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And here they are dead.
25:45 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You had dead Devon talking about, oh, there's this vision you put in your head You know, they're like talking about, you know, having coffee together, you know, it's like, you're like, what, right?
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like so much.
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a very mundane conversation.
25:59 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:00 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:02 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And then the guy Brian Sarko
26:05 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, and this is I think a theme that we'll kind of ponder around here is about Devon's agency, right?
26:14 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Did, you know, is it inevitable that she would become his apprentice what agency and decision does she have?
26:23 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: in doing this as we'll see in 10, but nine, you know, as as you say, John, it really sets up this vision, really sets up this this whole relationship, even the entire season, but that particular episode, that moment I should say is great to bring up because that is important, right, that kind of connection, that they're having and Devon is not hugely comfortable with it.
26:47 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she
26:51 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_09]: And she is really, I think become one of, it feels like she's becoming a fan all-time favorite now.
27:03 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, absolutely.
27:04 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, we're good reasons.
27:06 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_06]: She's a good character.
27:07 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
27:09 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_09]: And she's not sort of like, but I wanted to go into Tashi Station and pick up some power.
27:14 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Can we write, there's not that sort of whiny pad of one thing where like master, let me do something fun
27:21 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_09]: she's a young person having young person trials and tribulations like how do I figure this out?
27:30 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_09]: How do I make choices between this good and the evil and I see that mall is not wrong and yet you know the situation we're in is because my master is being cautious and
27:43 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_09]: It's passive the right word, but you're not proactive, and that's one thing you want to do when you're young.
27:50 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_09]: You want to be active.
27:51 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_09]: You want to go act.
27:53 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_09]: You want to see yourself in the world, and you want to see the world react to your presence.
27:59 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
27:59 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
28:00 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_09]: That's a, that's kind of a universal thing.
28:02 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_09]: We just want to be up and out there.
28:03 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_09]: And, and she's got cool ass powers and malls like.
28:14 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and so yeah, he's very seductive in that way and he's very, very, you know, yeah, that's sort of the question you get that's a really good question about me, you know, agency and manipulation because we see them all totally Manipulate loss and really nicely about figuring away on the city.
28:31 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
28:33 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
28:33 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_06]: But that is the Sith way, right?
28:35 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a Sith way, exactly.
28:37 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a minute ago motion.
28:39 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a Sith cycle, too.
28:41 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like this is, you know, it's mall.
28:47 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We see him trying to do different things.
28:50 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's doing the same stuff that Palpatine did to him.
28:54 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's taking that training so well that he's maybe not even knowing it.
28:59 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He's applying it to Devin.
29:02 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oops.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_09]: It's a really great insight.
29:06 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_09]: That's true.
29:07 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
29:07 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_09]: He can't, he can't escape the model.
29:09 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Like that's that's how he was parented.
29:11 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And when we become parents, it's pretty terrifying when you start to realize that there's all this programming that's been latent in your brain, and it starts suddenly coming out and unless you address it and are present to it, you can very easily end up parenting like you were parent it.
29:30 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
29:33 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_09]: And there was, um,
29:36 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_09]: this moment, oh yeah, about mulls, you know, into your point, Brian about mull and the Sith way earlier on in the season, people were wondering, like, why did mull spare
29:57 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Sometimes mall doesn't even know why he does things, which is very real, like we do that.
30:04 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_09]: It'll just work out, right?
30:06 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_09]: I'll just kind of leave this here, or I want to tend to this right now, and I'll see what sort of, what is the road bring?
30:14 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_09]: What is the path to reveal as I walk the path?
30:17 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know where the path is going yet, but as I walk it, it will reveal itself.
30:23 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_09]: I really like that nuance with him about, you know, he's like, I don't know why I'm keeping your life, but maybe you'll be useful later and sure enough, he's useful later, and for a lot of a variety of reasons.
30:34 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that really makes Mal a more dangerous and interesting foe.
30:39 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_09]: Because he's not just, you know, it's not just about mustache twirling and, you know, defeating the good guys, but it's about who is out here, who can I use, who can I manipulate, who can I influence to serve my ultimate gains?
30:52 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody.
30:54 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
31:10 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, everybody is a means to an end.
31:13 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and with Devon in some ways, he's playing a little bit of a long game with her.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:20 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That is scary.
31:22 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Scott's scary, too.
31:23 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's calculating, he's also doing it on the fly, but he also can calculate and play the long game.
31:32 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to see maybe in season two how long it's going to take, but this is, you know, it's going to take some time and that's that's pretty scary and that goes into this point about like again, Brian pick it up on your point, you know, who's using the whom here with crimson dawn and mall.
31:50 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_09]: Because, you know, Dryton Voss is clearly like, yeah, this is, you know, his, his underlying is like, this is dangerous.
31:58 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_09]: And he's like, yeah, but this is, this is a reward that if we can pull it off, you know, it's worth the risk, the huge amount.
32:06 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_09]: And they're both going into that relationship knowing that they're going to be using each other.
32:10 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, Voss says as much, you do this for me, and I'll do that for you.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_09]: And then we'll both get what we want.
32:19 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, this is a very transactional situation.
32:24 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, this universe is very transactional in some ways, right?
32:30 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The empire, the Sith, it's transactional in some ways, right?
32:34 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You, you do something for me.
32:36 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I do something for you and, and it just, yeah, the criminal organization is very transactional, right?
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_09]: There's a podcast that's not out yet.
32:46 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_09]: I just recorded it this morning with Dr. Amy's H. Sturgis, who's one of the professors at Sigmund University and we talk about Star Trek and Star Wars.
32:55 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_09]: And some of the import, like why these two modern mythologies have such traction and culture and stuff like that and one of the things that we talked about was how Star Wars is a very descriptive franchise.
33:07 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_09]: it describes power, it describes theories of power, it describes revolution, who holds power, how power is taken, how power is taken back.
33:17 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_09]: What happens when you take back power?
33:19 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, all of these kinds of things,
33:24 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And I forgot my point, but it was really just something you were saying, right, I got lost in my own mind for saying it.
33:29 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_09]: But this idea that Star Wars is a great morality tale about power and the uses of it.
33:41 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's one of the things that appeals to me every time I go into another show or whatever.
33:47 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It just does, you know, coming from a history, cloak of science background, I've also interested in the power of power and political power, and it's just fascinating to see all this play out.
33:58 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
33:59 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Have you read any of the heat death series on that we called decline in fall?
34:05 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one.
34:05 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I've said I've read one.
34:07 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I want to read more.
34:08 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I think you would really enjoy that because it's it's the whole ideas of telling the history of the empire as a historian within the world, rather than us externally looking at it.
34:22 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Jean, how cool was that to see former Jedi and former Sith fighting alongside each other?
34:32 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I gave Daki so much grief.
34:41 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I gave you the home you a lot of grief, you know what I'm saying because as people know I am not a fan of the Jedi order period, so I'm predisposed to dislike Jedi bastards, especially in this period of time, right?
35:12 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going down swinging and I'm going to do everything that I can to make sure that the people, the person, the one person that I care the most about, is going to be okay.
35:27 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_06]: And whatever I have to do in order to make that a reality, I'm willing to do.
35:33 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_06]: That is not Jedi.
35:36 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
35:43 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you kind of blown my mind.
35:45 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_09]: I was because I was like, oh, you know, I won't want a docky, but you're right.
35:50 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_09]: He stepped up and he stepped in and he You know Did he give as much as he had I think so?
36:00 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he did.
36:01 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think he did.
36:02 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_06]: He was already injured Yeah, we know that right when we're not sure how old he is
36:09 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_06]: But he's aged, you know, and probably he's aged much more in the two years from, you know, order 66.
36:18 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
36:19 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
36:20 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_06]: And he, in the beginning, was very much holding on to the
36:38 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_06]: what we saw was evolution of Docky, saying, I have to do what I have to do, no matter what in order to make sure Devon is okay.
36:52 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't run and hide anymore.
36:54 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And if I have to ally with this sift that I know what, he doesn't know, but I know.
37:03 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_06]: if I have to lie in order to make that reality happen, I'm going to do it.
37:09 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_06]: So he had an arc.
37:10 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he had actually had a complete arc.
37:13 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I'm saying I got to give respect to Bucky.
37:16 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Damn, nice.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_09]: I completely like wrote him off.
37:24 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, I love, well, anyway, we're not in it.
37:26 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_09]: And as a genuine, we'll get there.
37:27 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, right, right.
37:30 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_09]: But no, that's good.
37:31 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, they set them up.
37:34 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_09]: They set up the power levels really nicely, so that we can see this progression.
37:38 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_09]: And we can see Dev and climbing that progression.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
37:44 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Over the course of the 10 episodes.
37:47 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_09]: So that by the time we get to 10, she's holding her own, well, you know, at least nine.
37:52 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_09]: She's holding her own against two inquisitors.
37:55 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
37:56 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
37:57 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: and popping in against, you know, data from time to time, as we move into 10.
38:03 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, did you catch that sweet little move where she's kicking, uh, Marock and like blocking the season.
38:11 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, I'm in sort of that, like, go from side to side.
38:14 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:17 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: She is, she's, she trained her really well.
38:20 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_09]: And the way they hit me to that was like so amazing.
38:25 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
38:25 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_06]: And then when they're, you don't traveling underground, right when they get to the, to the lake, and dockey stops, it's like, ah, not something's coming.
38:36 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
38:36 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_06]: No one else would realize it.
38:38 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
38:39 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Good point.
38:40 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Maldives realize it.
38:41 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_09]: No, Maldives even tells Brooke.
38:44 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_09]: on that little journey like have respect that dude is a Jedi master do not have the right
38:57 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_09]: But he did it really gently, he couldn't like knock the hell out of her, but he was like, be cool.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
39:06 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_09]: He said, Master, you're not.
39:07 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_06]: There are levels to this, like you said before, there are levels.
39:11 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
39:11 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And that was more reminding his underlying.
39:15 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
39:15 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_06]: There are levels.
39:18 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:19 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And Sean, respect.
39:21 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:22 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
39:22 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_09]: And then it goes into what you guys were talking about a couple of episodes ago.
39:27 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_09]: where mall kind of has that momentary like, is this the one is this like, you know, right, and he, because he can see both, he can see where he is, but he can see both sides of it.
39:44 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_09]: And he can understand, he has that sort of meta moment of seeing the whole, and, and, yeah, sure, I'm a bad guy, and I know I'm a bad guy, but I can also see the good guys and understand what the good guys are about and I appreciate all of it.
39:59 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_09]: And in that moment, that same sort of inner peace that he has, that he's able to tell Rook, dude's a Jedi Master, you know, that's, that's not up, right?
40:14 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's amazing because in those final moments, he's in the arms of Obi-Wan.
40:23 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_06]: When he asked that question, when he asked the question as he's going, he's in the arms of Obi-Wan.
40:34 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_06]: It's, you know, there's a lot that
40:37 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Like I said, I'm ready for the comeback.
40:39 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to put a more comeback.
40:40 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got a reboot, re-band, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:46 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_09]: It happens in other franchises.
40:47 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_09]: It does, and there's, there's a couple of more mall moments before we flip over and listen to.
40:57 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Alicia's lorebomb on troopers and armor mobile armor because I think that I think has a different name that's not an add at it.
41:04 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to get in trouble with the fandom because I called it the wrong thing.
41:09 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_09]: But there are, there's this moment at the end of nine.
41:16 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_09]: where mall is hammering stormtroopers like Vader was hammering rebels at the end of Rogue One, right where he tosses a saber and he like chops the dudes in half and
41:31 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_09]: you know, and he's just beaten down on the inquisitors.
41:35 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_09]: He's like really feeling his rage.
41:37 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_09]: And then there's that great moment where he sort of jumps back and, you know, they're trying to get that final leap.
41:44 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_09]: And he sort of kicks his leg that he keeps doing right?
41:47 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yes, we do get it.
41:48 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that was so great.
41:50 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_06]: That was.
41:50 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_09]: But you know what it made me think of as Morpheus doing the little hand gesture at Neo in the Matrix, like, okay, it was just that kind of little absent.
42:02 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, there was just some about it that made me think of that scene.
42:06 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_06]: That's good.
42:08 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the last thing I'll say about more is not the last thing you'll say.
42:15 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Not the last thing right now, before we go before we go to break
42:21 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_06]: his face was spy-bombed down.
42:28 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_06]: There were so much emotion.
42:29 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
42:30 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
42:31 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_03]: For sure, right by.
42:34 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_06]: That took me like, oh, you know, Spybide is cool, but I'm just like, why, they just off Mars only friend.
42:45 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, he had, he looked truly pained in that moment for a split second.
42:52 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_06]: It was like, there was a show on his face like, wait, what?
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Spybide?
42:58 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like a like your favorite pet.
43:02 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did it.
43:02 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_06]: But but we didn't get that from the passing of any other of his company.
43:13 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right, right.
43:16 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't get that close up of his face.
43:17 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't see the motion, the fleeting emotion for anyone else's death.
43:23 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's when he, when he kicks it into the next higher gear.
43:27 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yeah, he leans into his rage.
43:30 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Watching Spybot go down in the acid lake.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_06]: What does that tell you about?
43:36 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_06]: His feelings.
43:39 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: More feelings was spybot, then for the four of you in the lines.
43:51 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And it leads back to, what can I get from people?
43:56 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_06]: What can I get from things?
43:58 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_06]: What can I use?
43:59 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_06]: He recognizes spy-bots utility.
44:05 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_06]: And he knows this is something that he's going in the midst.
44:09 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
44:11 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Just my mind was loyal.
44:13 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_06]: And spy-bots was very loyal.
44:16 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's never to worry about anything you didn't have to worry about having spybot stab him in the back.
44:22 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Never like saber.
44:23 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Never.
44:23 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'll inspire against him.
44:27 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:29 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
44:30 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Brian, what did you think of mall taking down that walker?
44:34 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_01]: that was that was pretty amazing.
44:38 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And the the other crew that were there, you know, Lawson and the team, they're like, oh my god, what does this, you know, they never
44:52 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Swipe it and I love a little, you know, try to walk the walker, try to walk without it and it's like you're done.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You're toast and it's just the team's reaction.
45:03 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, yeah, welcome.
45:05 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_09]: The cool too was okay.
45:08 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_09]: So we all know that disabling a leg.
45:12 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_09]: is, you know, fatal to these things.
45:15 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_09]: And I like how they hit a slow cut it.
45:17 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Like it was like, oh, there's a lot of material.
45:19 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
45:20 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
45:20 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_09]: But then when you flick the, his, his, his, Saber is double Saber's up into the air.
45:25 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_09]: What I noticed on my second watch, it didn't cut the whole thing in half.
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_06]: No, it didn't.
45:31 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_09]: No, it's sliced through the pat where I would assume the engine.
45:35 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_09]: is so that when it fell over and then we saw it sort of internally explode and then externally explode.
45:42 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
45:43 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Like that was a calculated blow to take out its power source.
45:47 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
45:48 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:48 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a little to the left, I think, not straight in the middle.
45:51 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
45:54 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Totally badass.
45:56 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like bull's eye.
45:57 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and it's a little bit confusing.
46:01 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
46:01 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, as you say, we see, yeah, so I just did, Lawson actually teach Riley how to shoot at some point.
46:09 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was so good.
46:10 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That was like, oh, it's like, oh, man, he's going to shoot himself in the leg or something in the, and no.
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_06]: And then dad says, just remember what I taught you.
46:21 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I said, oh gosh, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief, right here is so much grief,
46:41 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_06]: You, uh, a couple of times.
46:43 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
46:44 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
46:44 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I got, I got, I got, I got admit when people do what they do.
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I got to, I got to call it out.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I got to say yes.
46:50 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:51 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: My bad.
46:51 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Dangerous world, right?
46:52 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_01]: My bad.
46:53 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Got teacher kids set a survive in this dangerous world.
46:56 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lie.
46:57 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
46:58 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_09]: And then I, I did appreciate the fact that this goes back to the thing of them balancing the show for adults and for adolescents, is that Riley never shot to kill.
47:08 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_09]: He was always shooting.
47:09 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
47:11 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
47:12 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So, That's right.
47:15 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Brian, anything else or should we jump into Alicia's lore bomb?
47:18 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: All I'll say is we've been talking about one of my themes throughout the series was the boot on the planet, you know, the Empire's boot on the planet and now it's the imperial authority.
47:33 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So the word intramus gone there's more troops or walkers and the empire controls this planet using the death penalty, which is new.
47:44 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't announced before.
47:46 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_09]: And so if you go back to the beginning of nine, turn on the subtitles.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, hear that over.
47:51 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_09]: I thought a little bit of an end to the second one.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry, carry on.
47:54 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you now see really pretty much full control.
47:59 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And now it makes sense right now that second destroyer there, David, as you were saying.
48:04 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So
48:06 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: there.
48:06 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they'll give this plan it up.
48:08 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Janix is now part of the empire.
48:10 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Yep.
48:11 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, they're not going to give it up.
48:12 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to give it up.
48:13 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, right.
48:14 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_09]: If they had nabbed them right quick, and it was over five minutes, I think maybe, right?
48:18 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_09]: They may leave some garrison if you extra administrators and some troops, but yeah.
48:23 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, no, now you're right.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_09]: The full, the full boot is coming down.
48:25 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Are you still working on your blog posts?
48:27 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I am.
48:28 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cool.
48:28 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, post-depression.
48:30 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I am looking forward to reading that.
48:34 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, I see one other note yet here in that line about mallping for Devon's apprenticeship.
48:40 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Did you want to say anything more about that?
48:41 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was just saying that, you know, I was just thinking about the price, you know, he wants Devon to have to be as apprentice, but what price?
48:50 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
48:50 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: By the end of the ninth episode, he's lost a lot of people and he's going to lose more when we come into ten and it's like, wow, man, it's, I guess that's a price to doing business.
49:02 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_09]: but it's it's a big price when you really think about it among do you think John that brought that mall has any problem paying that price no no yeah no he's he he'll burn the galaxy down to get back up opportunity right
49:17 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hear people hate people or people I know it is what do they say hurt people hurt people hurt people yeah, it's not it's not redeemable I mean you can you know kind of understand a little bit you know little sympathy even but not not redeemable Cool, all right, let's listen to Alicia's lore bomb on chupers
49:43 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk Star Wars troopers.
49:46 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to keep this to a basic overview, but know that there are, of course, all different kinds of subdivisions within each type of troopers in every era, so we don't have time to get into all that.
49:59 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: let's just just the general evolution of the troopers through time.
50:03 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there have been troopers going back to at least the Republic Defense Coalition of the High Republic hundreds of years ago because troopers just basically mean soldiers, the grunts, you know, boots on the ground.
50:16 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But what we start to think of as a typical Star Wars kind of troopers with that distinctive armor begins with the clone troopers, which were bred on the water planet of Camino by the expert geneticist natives, the Kaminoans, around 32 BBYs when that program began so about 15 years before the events of Malshada Lord.
50:38 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were bred to fight the separatists joy to armies on behalf of the Republic.
50:43 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this is what they are, what the Clone Wars are named for.
50:48 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But we find out, of course, that there was a secret Sith plan to use these not only to pit the Clone Troopers and the joyed armies, the Republic and the separatists against each other to destabilize the galaxy, which leaves room
51:07 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But of course this Sith had other plans for them.
51:10 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that in a moment.
51:12 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The Clone Troopers, they were modeled after the Mandalorian bounty hunter, known as Django Fett, who was given one clone without genetic tampering to raise as his son Boba.
51:23 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We see that in the prequel trilogy.
51:26 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But the rest of the clones, almost the rest of the clones, we'll just talk general now, we're bred with accelerated aging, so they are literally made to live fast and die young, but they're also bred to be peak soldiers with more submissive personalities.
51:42 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: However, some, inconveniently, develop individual personalities anyway, especially when they are genetic mutations as in the bad batch, whose TV show takes place right before
51:56 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, the secret Sith plan on top of all this is that they had chips implanted in all of their heads that would cause most of them to turn on any Jedi or Force user around them when the flip was switched aka Order 66.
52:14 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So, after Order 66, they take down the Jedi, the Republic of Verals taken down Palpatine steps in as Emperor and the Empire begins, and now under Imperial Control instead of the Jedi influence,
52:30 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: With these order 66 flips switched in their brains, the clone troopers became even more subservience because they weren't, they were no longer being treated as individuals either.
52:43 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And even all personality was stripped away from their now all white armor.
52:49 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_00]: under the empire.
52:50 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people wanted to end the clone program and by some people I mean especially Tarkin.
52:57 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Tarkin really was against this.
52:59 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He saw it as an expensive reminder of the republic and he wanted to switch instead to conscripting human troopers which he had this idea.
53:09 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they'll be volunteers and there will be more loyal that way.
53:14 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So this brings us to the part in the timeline where Shadowlord takes place where, and I'll quote, Star Wars.com's data bank on this, they talk about the TK stormtrooper or the TK trooper for short.
53:27 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Star Wars.com writes, as clone troopers are gradually faced out of imperial ranks.
53:32 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The TK stormtroopers begin to fill the dwindling regiments with naturally born human recruits.
53:37 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Initially trained and secret by aging clone commandos, the TK troopers had employed on many missions during the early days of Emperor Palpatine's reign.
53:47 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_00]: With gleaming white prototype armor and helmets fashioned from a never-used phase 3 clone design, the troopers quickly become the striking physical manifestation of imperial control.
53:59 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So these are the human troopers we're seeing being introduced in the bad batch, again, set right before Malshada Lord, and this is again, who we see, who we saw arriving on Janix in the events of this first season.
54:13 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And these, of course, will evolve into what we just generally known as storm troopers, you know, going back to the original trilogy.
54:22 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And these are, of course, named after probably people don't realize the storm trooper
54:29 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And of the German army, they were the elite shock troops of Imperial Germany that specialized in commando style raids, so, you know, storming a storm as in storming a location, not as in bad weather per se.
54:47 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But the designs and Star Wars were made to mimic Nazi iconography from World War II, and
54:59 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So these human storm troopers are taking over, and meanwhile, the Kaminoans are whining about contracts.
55:04 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They're supposed to keep being paid to make clones, and Palpatine also has a few things he wants to hide.
55:11 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So they just decide to destroy all of the cloning stations on the planet of Kaminoa, just massive destruction planet wide.
55:20 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_00]: but the clones that remain were kept to serve the empire as long as they would or could.
55:25 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They were put to work training, their replacements, and then left to live out the rest of their short lives, many in poverty.
55:34 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We see an Obi-Wan Kenobi, we see a clone trooper begging eight years after this.
55:40 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of them, of course, suffer from PTSD, especially from being forced to turn on their allies and comrades, the Jedi during and after order 66.
55:48 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of bleak for a lot of clone troopers after this.
55:55 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But by the way, speaking of the Obi-Wan Kenobi show, I don't think I said before that apparently Ray Park was going to appear as mall in Obi-Wan, but they decide to go a different direction.
56:05 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it would have made sense for Obi-Wan to confront
56:10 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_00]: mall as is because of their previous confrontation or because Obi-Wan is the one who ultimately kills mall later.
56:18 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But it also made a lot of sense and probably was even more exciting for him to confront Vader.
56:23 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we got.
56:23 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
56:25 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Throughout this era, we see these human quote unquote volunteer storm troopers, which I think there's more and more conscription that goes on as it goes.
56:36 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The storm troopers aka, known by the slur bucket heads, they become the norm with all of their human foibles and bad aim.
56:45 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is my fun fact is that the clone troopers were
56:52 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: the superior soldiers, you know, they were literally bread that way and trained from childhood.
56:57 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And these storm troopers who join up as adults and just don't have the same discipline or genetics or any of those things, this is my favorite explanation for why they keep missing everything that they shoot at.
57:13 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's they basically the empire decides since human troopers are less expensive than especially bread clone troopers.
57:21 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They can just have more of them and it just becomes a numbers game where you just overwhelm people with swarms of them.
57:28 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but this shortcoming of not being trained from a young age, this is why decades later after the fall of the empire and the events of the man of verse, the eventual first order starts taking future storm troopers to brainwash and train from a younger age.
57:47 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, the character who becomes known as Finn.
57:51 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem to improve most of their aim though, but anyway.
57:55 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The Empire did take some of the Kaminoans with them when they destroyed all their cloning facilities, so there were still some clones being made after this, and we see given cybernetic enhancements to create the dark troopers that we saw in the Mandalorian.
58:14 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That is taking place about 26 years after Shadowlord and 9 BBY.
58:19 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's see if any of
58:23 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_00]: the next Star Wars thing up.
58:25 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to hear you guys, gosh, about the finale, and I believe Brian has a related post coming to the lower-hounds block, looking forward to listening to and reading all the lower-hounds coverage, and do check out the Star Wars can in timeline podcast if you haven't yet, where we'll be covering this evolution in my new to detail over the next one gazillion years.
58:47 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_00]: May the Force be with you, and may the Force push be with Mall, RIP, Daki, Rook, Scorn, Icarus, Keberis, and all the other Mandalorians, and especially you spybot.
58:58 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If I didn't say their name, it's because I don't think they're dead.
59:01 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_09]: That's a good mic drop right there.
59:06 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's great.
59:08 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_09]: We do have her part B hot takes, because she split him up and I thought, oh, well, well, but I didn't listen to him prior.
59:14 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_09]: So I didn't know where to drop him.
59:15 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_09]: So we're going to listen to that when we get to the other side of the break.
59:18 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_09]: But that was fascinating.
59:20 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_09]: And I remember seeing these troopers going, these are different guys.
59:25 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_09]: But there's this great scene.
59:27 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_09]: This is great little moment in this episode.
59:31 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_09]: where Merock walks up to one of the dudes that has the shoulder epilet thing indicating a higher status rank and he's like looking him around and sort of looking up at the guy.
59:41 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_09]: The guy's like stammering and then Merock walks off and he see him sort of sort of relaxes his body like really great stuff, super cool.
59:52 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, anyway, let's take that break and then we'll come back and get into episode 10.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, we are back.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's listen to the other half of the leases fresh take.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Did you guys have anything that you wanted to react to about the the the trooper lorebom though?
01:00:20 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard, yeah, I've heard about the stormtrooper name in the World War and yeah, there are those crack shoot soldiers who had, you see them sometimes in the World War 2 movies that, you know, Dave and I, we, we watched an occasion.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They had the the automatic weapons
01:00:49 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Johnny, any reactions or thoughts?
01:00:51 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Nah, yeah, just you don't just the overall, I feel so bad for the clone troopers.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right?
01:01:05 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I've always felt badly for them, and it just
01:01:12 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_06]: right because they were the standing army and to be you know subverted to have your will subverted in the way that it was with order 66 and then after you've done it to show you the
01:01:38 --> 01:01:44 [SPEAKER_06]: means to an end, let's say, not necessarily any more thanks.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Now go live your lives in whatever wretched ways that you can because you can't do anything else.
01:01:53 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_09]: So this goes into this sort of descriptive nature of Star Wars, where this is a cautionary tale about how we how a society treats its veterans
01:02:07 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
01:02:08 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_09]: After they've given service.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if either of you have ever watched that old HBO series Rome, that's up to me.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_09]: It's a big part of it as well.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:21 [SPEAKER_09]: That's an interesting aspect that is dealt with quite well there.
01:02:22 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, the bad batch certainly, I believe, but through Clone Wars, there's a bunch of clone substories aren't there as well.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Because that's where we meet some of the clones that we are like really into, right?
01:02:37 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And yet, Jedi who don't even consider them to be
01:02:40 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_06]: anything but they could be, you know, robots for a lot of the Jedi.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'll see any humanity in clones.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, doesn't, and I can bond with this group.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we call it soldiers.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a puzzle.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that guy had a name.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Rex.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Rex, that's right.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it also plays into this idea of conscription, right, which is problematic in society.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why we have a volunteer army in the States, and in the United States, you know, the Vietnam War with the draft just ripped the whole society apart.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Part, right.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, we see that in some other country that is conscripting a lot of young men.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_09]: What do you do if you joined up in good faith?
01:03:41 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_09]: You have that thing in you that says, hey, putting on a uniform field is right.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:47 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm serving my country, I'm serving people.
01:03:48 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm doing a lot of peacetime activities that might be beneficial for people.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_09]: And then you get an order that is
01:03:58 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, at a gut level is against everything you thought you stood for, you mean for the clones or for the Truman for a trooper and for a soldier period of the time or place when you receive an order that you're like.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Wait a minute.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_09]: That doesn't seem right, but I said that I will suspend my own judgment in these matters and follow the orders of my, you know, change of command.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's the best part of the last set of movies that we, that we got, that I, you know, I try not to name, but on.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, having that awareness, having that, you know, come that clarity of what you just.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_06]: That was the best part of the narrative for that movie, I thought.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It's one end.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_06]: It's one end.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_06]: It's one end.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_06]: It's one end.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, let's not lit again.
01:04:56 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_06]: That's a different part, guys.
01:04:57 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let
01:05:04 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's talk about the dark lord.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's see here, chapter 10, the dark lord, mall and the Jedi engage a Vader in the Quisitors.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, Vario, two boots and the Lawson's make their way to the rendezvous point, which is full of imperial troops during the fighting Daki pushes Marak off a bridge.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_09]: with Devon distracted, fighting the 11th brother, mall decides to leave Daki to be killed by Vader.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Devon sees her master, die, and is overcome with rage, mall helps her escape from the inquisitor and Vader, and promises to train her so they can ever revenge.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Lawson sacrifices himself, or does he, to allow Riley, two boots, and Barrio to reach the bosseship.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_09]: joined by Moll and Devon as the ship leaves Janix, Devon agrees to become Moll's apprentice.
01:05:52 --> 01:06:01 [SPEAKER_09]: We should probably listen to Alicia's part, be fresh take, and this may be wildly out of order, so I do apologize every time.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's take that.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway,
01:06:02 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: a sandwich was busy.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got another season of mom coming up and he's going to be grappling with.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I really think that Molly is a subtle character in some ways.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a character who shows what he's thinking or feeling or you know, except sometimes his rage and his depths of despair.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: but we see there's a lot of gears turning in his head at all times.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a clever boy, but maybe not as clever as he thinks.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So we see him for example stepping back with a little force push of betrayal to allow Vader to kill Daki.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And so for Maul, this is
01:06:49 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: on the one hand, a way to save his own hide.
01:06:52 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's a way to get rid of someone who's moralizing and keeps getting in his way, and it instills the anger in Devon to finally get her to turn to him.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But,
01:07:04 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Two questions about that.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: One is Maul doing to Devon in part what was done to him.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this something that he will ever recognize and feel a little bit of guilt for?
01:07:14 --> 01:07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is definitely a hurt people hurt people and he knows no other way situation but will he have any insight into that in the future?
01:07:21 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing is it would be very inconvenient for Maul if
01:07:31 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: which I think he might have, because until they show me the body for either, and either him or another character about to name, I am going to picture Brander and Tech for the Bad Batch, a show that was set right before this one by the way.
01:07:47 --> 01:07:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to picture them together in Imperial Custy somewhere with Brander's ex-wife working to break them out, and that is my head cannon until they prove me wrong.
01:07:57 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But now, next season we see Mall, Devon, and Riley in the hands of Crimson Dawn.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't mention this Rintaro character in my Lordbomb about Crimson Dawn last week, because Rintaro's a character who's only up to this point Ben mentioned in the Kira centric book, Crimson Climb.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So they are expanding this character, who I guess is someone who is...
01:08:24 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: temporarily dried and vosses boss, but obviously dried and vosses as small to help him take him out and then dried and vosses will just fall directly under mall and we know that's the way things are going because that's how things are by the time of solo.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I will be very curious what Devon and Riley make of this whole underworld situation will, other of them be more at home there than we expect, or will they be longing to go back to their more innocent ways.
01:08:57 --> 01:09:02 [SPEAKER_00]: and will malls mental link with Dev and Play of Rollin' this.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We do see mall forge a similar telepathic force bond with Edzer Bridger and Rebels much later in the timeline, which brings the question, what happens to Dev and by the time of Rebels, which is to set about 15 years after this, does she wise up and leave mall behind, or will she meet a similar fate to her master dockey?
01:09:22 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope not.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to hear what you guys think about this.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I will be back later with this week's lower bomb.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard what David said on the podcast two weeks ago, ask and ye shall receive.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I will be back with an overview of the evolution of the troopers of Star Wars.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: This time will be shorter.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I promise.
01:09:43 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I like 85% promise.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:57 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, so those played out of order, but they're still relevant because what she sets up for with mall and what he does sacrificing Ed.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Mr. Daki.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, Brian.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:11 [SPEAKER_09]: I knew he had some initial thoughts about that earlier as well do you want to say a little bit more what you're thinking?
01:10:14 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the, um, that, yeah, I think everyone kind of is gathering at consensus that this, you know, force, this, uh, force push, um, was a pivotal moment where, uh,
01:10:36 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He just pushes a dackie and leaves and then dackie dies.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Devon sees it.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a pretty interesting like Bill your Luke scene.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:52 [SPEAKER_09]: Ben, yeah, it's struck down.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, exactly.
01:10:53 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting with that as well is that
01:10:57 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ben knows, you know, chooses to do that.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:03 --> 01:11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Docky did that.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
01:11:05 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some agency there that will be one decides to he's on a better place.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be a better situation by go and versus stacking who has no agency in that role.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's literally pushed.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, it's just one of those,
01:11:23 --> 01:11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of pivotal moments that leads to, you know, does she really in some ways, I guess she
01:11:37 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: but it's also kind of limited choice.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He really mulled really boxes her into a corner.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: After, my daddy's exactly exactly that little force push boom.
01:11:50 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It just sets all this stuff down like dominoes.
01:11:54 --> 01:11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gets what he wants, but see if it, you know, comes off or not.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:03 [SPEAKER_09]: You raise a really interesting point about
01:12:04 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, parenting styles with Ben Kenobi's like, well boy, it's time for you to be emotionally scarred and I'm going to let you watch me die so that your rage can fuel you for your next evolution of your, you know, Jedi training and
01:12:24 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of force goes to you a little bit, but you know, you need some, you need, you gotta rub some dirt in it and get up off the on the field and get running to get very gen X.
01:12:33 --> 01:12:35 [SPEAKER_09]: It feels very gen X to me.
01:12:36 --> 01:12:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Where is, you know, with, with Dockey, right, as you say, there was no agency.
01:12:41 --> 01:12:44 [SPEAKER_09]: This was not a choice, mall made this choice.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:52 [SPEAKER_09]: Dockey, nor, you know, did not make this choice.
01:12:53 --> 01:13:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Obi-Wan went through the same thing at the hands of Maul because he had to watch Kai gone.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:13:03 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:05 [SPEAKER_09]: And nothing.
01:13:05 --> 01:13:06 [SPEAKER_09]: He could do nothing about it.
01:13:06 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_06]: He could do nothing about it.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_06]: So we have this recurring thing here.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:13:13 --> 01:13:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:13:14 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a vicious Jedi Sith cycle that
01:13:20 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And some level, we want to usher adulthood for these young, patterns, these young Jedi, and the way that we usher them into adulthood is to have them view.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:44 [SPEAKER_06]: They have full parental faults in tense and purposes.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:46 [SPEAKER_06]: You're dead.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:47 [SPEAKER_06]: You're dead.
01:13:47 --> 01:13:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I messed up.
01:13:47 --> 01:13:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Takes the place of your parents.
01:13:48 --> 01:13:49 [SPEAKER_06]: 100%.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:51 --> 01:13:52 [SPEAKER_06]: You have to watch them die.
01:13:54 --> 01:13:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And what does that turn you into?
01:13:57 --> 01:14:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Do you lean into that moment and grasp your power?
01:14:10 --> 01:14:18 [SPEAKER_06]: you can either grasp it and become a hell of a Jedi, or you could grasp it and say, I'm going out for vengeance.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:28 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like there's a divorce is forcing a choice here.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:30 [SPEAKER_06]: The universe is forcing you to make a choice here.
01:14:31 --> 01:14:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Or you can do an assilka.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a new battle.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm out.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:14:38 --> 01:14:44 [SPEAKER_09]: I know I know who I am and I know what I can go do to make a difference in this world for other people.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_09]: And I don't need these crusty old orders of the third way.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the third way.
01:14:51 --> 01:14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a different way.
01:14:53 --> 01:14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:14:55 --> 01:14:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Devon is not given.
01:14:56 --> 01:14:57 [SPEAKER_06]: She's not given that option.
01:14:59 --> 01:14:59 [SPEAKER_06]: No.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:03 [SPEAKER_09]: But it's interesting to see how she handles these choices.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:07 [SPEAKER_06]: What she's been given is actually.
01:15:09 --> 01:15:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:15:10 --> 01:15:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:15:11 --> 01:15:20 [SPEAKER_09]: So there was a really interesting construction here of Dockey saying, now we got to be chill.
01:15:20 --> 01:15:22 [SPEAKER_09]: We got to take our time.
01:15:22 --> 01:15:23 [SPEAKER_09]: We got to be patient, to leave.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_09]: So he's doing that passive thing where mall is doing that.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Dude, we don't have time.
01:15:30 --> 01:15:30 [SPEAKER_09]: The clock is ticking.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_09]: We got to make a choice.
01:15:32 --> 01:15:35 [SPEAKER_09]: And then he goes out and he takes everything down in the beginning.
01:15:36 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_09]: That part of episode nine.
01:15:38 --> 01:15:45 [SPEAKER_09]: But there's that tension all the way through here, but like you said, John, he steps up and he steps into the battle, Daki does.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, he steps into the battle.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And let's just get into it, man.
01:15:51 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_06]: When Rook gets, when Rook gets.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Jurassic.
01:15:56 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Because like running, running, running like this, something out there.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I was not expecting Vader.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:08 [SPEAKER_08]: Right, because you said at the beginning, right, like I was pretty excited.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_06]: I was fistballing like they're doing it.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:12 [SPEAKER_06]: You were not expecting to be out.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking some sort of, you know, major fauna.
01:16:16 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_06]: That is, you know, it was very drastic.
01:16:19 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, that's what I, and that's the thing.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:23 [SPEAKER_06]: It was predatory.
01:16:24 --> 01:16:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's what Vader is at this moment.
01:16:27 --> 01:16:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, sure is.
01:16:29 --> 01:16:31 [SPEAKER_06]: He is the apex predator.
01:16:31 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He is ultimate weapon.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:35 [SPEAKER_06]: he's the T-Rex.
01:16:37 --> 01:16:38 [SPEAKER_06]: He's the Mosesaurus.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_06]: He's the whatever.
01:16:39 --> 01:16:41 [SPEAKER_06]: He's the crack-in.
01:16:45 --> 01:16:47 [SPEAKER_06]: He's that's what Vader is.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:52 [SPEAKER_06]: So she comes running, there's something out there.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's something pulls it right back, and I'm like, what the fuck?
01:16:57 --> 01:16:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:16:57 --> 01:16:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And then there he is.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:01 [SPEAKER_06]: The breath.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_06]: The breath.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I say, got there.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going there.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_09]: And you see how the animated him a little bit different.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:14 [SPEAKER_09]: His character stood out differently than the other characters did against the back.
01:17:14 --> 01:17:15 [SPEAKER_09]: God bless you.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:16 [SPEAKER_09]: And that's true.
01:17:16 --> 01:17:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, such a statue.
01:17:18 --> 01:17:28 [SPEAKER_06]: like he's so much, like, larger than everyone else taller, just more, and he's just more of everything.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
01:17:31 --> 01:17:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also like a lot of machine.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: As well as human.
01:17:38 --> 01:17:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_09]: And then the way that he was just beaten fools down,
01:17:43 --> 01:17:48 [SPEAKER_09]: that any of them survived that long is still kind of astonishing to me, right?
01:17:48 --> 01:17:54 [SPEAKER_06]: But I go to show you, you know, like I said, I have to respect Daki, right?
01:17:54 --> 01:18:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Because he lasted a whole lot longer than a lot of other people would have, you know.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_09]: And he died alone.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_09]: there was no one there because whenever somebody was in mortal peril, there was a two or three others that were, you know, a one or two others that were in there to throw a defensive block in or something.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, this way, I'd call on the outline the the Vader problem because
01:18:25 --> 01:18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: you mall, everyone, anyone else could take a long time to build something like a criminal network, and Vader comes along and just can dismantle it.
01:18:35 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:36 --> 01:18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And so ugly.
01:18:37 --> 01:18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
01:18:38 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a powerful being that it's like, yeah, bring me your best.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll knock him out.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He can knock out all these kernel networks.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to.
01:18:48 --> 01:18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:18:51 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I think last week I said that more at a hundred percent more takes out the inquisitors easily Veda to the right.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:05 [SPEAKER_06]: No, no need to be right.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Veda takes an injured mobile out very quickly
01:19:10 --> 01:19:21 [SPEAKER_09]: be it takes out an unindrable why would because the injury makes him more feral in a way no no what I'm saying is that more that his height yeah beta takes him out
01:19:22 --> 01:19:25 [SPEAKER_09]: Ray, but he's survived.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, but then of course in this one.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:28 [SPEAKER_09]: He's hurt.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_06]: He's re-optimic.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:31 [SPEAKER_06]: But it is three on one.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:32 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's three on one.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:19:33 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:19:33 --> 01:19:38 [SPEAKER_06]: But Vader, that's the type of power that we're talking about.
01:19:38 --> 01:19:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:19:38 --> 01:19:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Like Vader takes everybody on screen that we just watch
01:19:52 --> 01:20:00 [SPEAKER_09]: so that the fight that lasted this long is it's really saying something that they put it about all the more putting everything out that they have.
01:20:00 --> 01:20:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, and he wasn't.
01:20:02 --> 01:20:04 [SPEAKER_06]: No, you wasn't at them.
01:20:05 --> 01:20:08 [SPEAKER_06]: He was not going a thousand.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:11 [SPEAKER_06]: It was very like, let me see.
01:20:11 --> 01:20:13 [SPEAKER_06]: It was almost like probing.
01:20:15 --> 01:20:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he was probing different.
01:20:17 --> 01:20:20 [SPEAKER_06]: It's interesting because they don't
01:20:22 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_04]: they can find use for her, to an inquisitor, right?
01:20:28 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
01:20:29 --> 01:20:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:20:31 --> 01:20:39 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, Papotene wants to get rid of of, you know, of a more period, because I think Papotene sees more as somewhat of a threat.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:20:40 --> 01:20:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Somewhat.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:45 [SPEAKER_06]: See, he sees him all as the one that got away.
01:20:45 --> 01:20:46 [SPEAKER_06]: That's the premium annoyance.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:20:47 --> 01:20:49 [SPEAKER_09]: It's a minimum.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:50 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:20:50 --> 01:20:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Certainly a threat, you know.
01:20:51 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_09]: The one that got away.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:55 [SPEAKER_09]: And he can't have him out there running a muck.
01:20:55 --> 01:20:56 [SPEAKER_06]: No.
01:20:56 --> 01:20:56 [SPEAKER_06]: No.
01:20:57 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_06]: So he has to get him.
01:20:58 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:04 [SPEAKER_06]: He has to get him all.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And it was almost like a test.
01:21:08 --> 01:21:13 [SPEAKER_09]: So Brian has something here in the notes, is Devon a weapon or a mall's legacy?
01:21:14 --> 01:21:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and come on, man, that is a fire.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:17 [SPEAKER_09]: That's a fire question.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, right?
01:21:19 --> 01:21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so when you think about it with the Sith cycle that we're talking about tonight, it's also about legacy, right?
01:21:27 --> 01:21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Keeping that order going.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And,
01:21:33 --> 01:21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I could see that, hey, you know, I've lost spybot, my bestie, you know, but seriously, you know, we haven't really explored this idea of a apprentice being a legacy, something that goes beyond you.
01:21:50 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: as all beings, regardless of alien or human, you have that kind of DNA about you want to outlast yourself.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I kept thinking, especially toward the end, it's like, oh, is there something else going on here that it's not just about revenge, but at a weapon
01:22:21 --> 01:22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Something goes beyond yourself.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Shall I?
01:22:26 --> 01:22:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I think about that.
01:22:26 --> 01:22:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I think...
01:22:30 --> 01:22:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I... More wants something for himself.
01:22:38 --> 01:22:39 [SPEAKER_06]: like he wants something for himself.
01:22:40 --> 01:22:43 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not just about getting vengeance.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:50 [SPEAKER_06]: He wants a connection to something, because he had that connection with Papatine, with Sidious, before he was turned.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, if you ever worked for a boss that you were like, oh, this is bad.
01:22:56 --> 01:22:57 [SPEAKER_09]: They did me wrong.
01:22:57 --> 01:22:58 [SPEAKER_09]: They didn't, you know, as will.
01:22:58 --> 01:23:02 [SPEAKER_09]: I was ill treated and then like some day when you became a boss, you know, the manager, whatever.
01:23:03 --> 01:23:06 [SPEAKER_09]: You're like, I'm gonna do it differently.
01:23:06 --> 01:23:07 [SPEAKER_09]: I think he's got that in him.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he has to, he definitely, to what Brian is saying and what you're saying, David, he has that in him, and he wants to use that to get his vengeance.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:31 [SPEAKER_06]: But there is a part of them that I think is looking for connection, because more care
01:23:33 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, the range was out of feeling.
01:23:37 --> 01:23:38 [SPEAKER_06]: It was not an absence of.
01:23:39 --> 01:23:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:44 [SPEAKER_06]: It was because of his anger is because of.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:51 [SPEAKER_09]: And that's what they showed us in the flashback and the tunnel is that little boy, that his younger self of him.
01:23:51 --> 01:23:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_06]: So I touched.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:59 [SPEAKER_06]: I can absolutely say that he wants something more than just, you know,
01:24:00 --> 01:24:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Joan, I'm getting multiple errors on your recording.
01:24:03 --> 01:24:07 [SPEAKER_09]: So let me, let me stop it and do a fresh recording and then you can pick up a little bit.
01:24:08 --> 01:24:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, we had a little technical glitch.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:15 [SPEAKER_09]: So I restarted the recording, but Joan, just re-semerized your points just to see it in audio problems.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Again, it's just that I don't think that more to what we're talking about him wanting something more than apprentice.
01:24:23 --> 01:24:26 [SPEAKER_06]: I can see it, but I don't even think he sees it at this point.
01:24:27 --> 01:24:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:24:27 --> 01:24:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Doesn't mean that he won't see it.
01:24:30 --> 01:24:42 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's what's interesting to me about the character because when we see him outreach to Ezra to try to bring Ezra to his side, there is a motion there, there is feeling there.
01:24:43 --> 01:24:49 [SPEAKER_06]: There is a need for more to connect, right?
01:24:49 --> 01:24:51 [SPEAKER_06]: And I really believe that
01:24:52 --> 01:25:07 [SPEAKER_06]: On some level, he's recognizing that there is a tremendous amount of loss, like this mall is not the same mall that you thought I had in my mind from before the series started.
01:25:08 --> 01:25:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Not as the series is making me think more in-depthly about what it means to be turned away
01:25:20 --> 01:25:26 [SPEAKER_06]: what it means to be cast aside, because Jedi can walk away.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Sith, you have to die.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Great.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:25:31 --> 01:25:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And if you're not dead, what does it mean?
01:25:35 --> 01:25:37 [SPEAKER_06]: for you, your emotionlessly.
01:25:38 --> 01:25:40 [SPEAKER_06]: What does it mean for your mental health?
01:25:40 --> 01:25:44 [SPEAKER_06]: What does it mean for you as a person?
01:25:44 --> 01:25:46 [SPEAKER_09]: To be separated from that.
01:25:46 --> 01:25:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
01:25:47 --> 01:25:49 [SPEAKER_09]: All in that structure and that context.
01:25:50 --> 01:25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:50 --> 01:25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:51 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_09]: It's a bit Ronan kind of thing.
01:25:52 --> 01:25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:53 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And part of that Sith cycle is about grief.
01:25:58 --> 01:26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Palpatine, uh, and now as Ajahn, you were saying, mall, they take advantage of grief, right?
01:26:10 --> 01:26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And it can loss his mother, loss of his wife.
01:26:15 --> 01:26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to learn the dark secrets of living forever.
01:26:19 --> 01:26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And that emotion, right, is that connection of loss.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think also plays into this that if you're saying John very well right it's you want to make that connection and you you're grieving as one of those emotions that the dark side can can really.
01:26:40 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_09]: It did in there and just in turn it, because grief is such a potent emotional state, and it's manipulatable in a way because you're sort of it has a disorienting effect and it has a sort of a hall of mirrors kind of effect.
01:26:59 --> 01:27:02 [SPEAKER_09]: It's very emotional and stretched and out.
01:27:02 --> 01:27:03 [SPEAKER_09]: We really need to call here on this one.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but we just haven't seen a siff have to deal with that.
01:27:08 --> 01:27:13 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not a pleasure, we've seen Jedi have to deal with, you know, what it means to no longer be a Jedi.
01:27:14 --> 01:27:19 [SPEAKER_06]: We've never seen a siff deal with what it means not to be a siff because when you're not a siff, you're dead.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we have this new thing called Shadow Lord.
01:27:25 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And what does that mean?
01:27:26 --> 01:27:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
01:27:27 --> 01:27:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:27:30 --> 01:27:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Cool.
01:27:31 --> 01:27:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think we should, uh,
01:27:33 --> 01:27:35 [SPEAKER_09]: See about wrapping it up here.
01:27:35 --> 01:27:40 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if you either of you had any more points.
01:27:40 --> 01:27:44 [SPEAKER_09]: I did have one sort of funny, I guess I had to throw, I have to throw a token in here.
01:27:45 --> 01:27:52 [SPEAKER_09]: But Moll was trying to do a Gandalf and be like, Vader, Ballrog, you shall not pass.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:56 [SPEAKER_09]: And Vader was like, not having in today, my brother.
01:27:56 --> 01:27:58 [SPEAKER_09]: I am, that's it.
01:27:59 --> 01:28:00 [SPEAKER_09]: I am walking through the trees.
01:28:00 --> 01:28:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, but can we, can we just take a moment to really say just how bad as there is?
01:28:08 --> 01:28:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I mean, this just collect ourselves.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it will be a disservice to any discussion.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_06]: where we don't talk about how just how bad as this mother for her is with the force.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_09]: I remember talking to you, John, at one point after seeing, you know, Rogue One, and having beta show up like that at the end.
01:28:31 --> 01:28:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
01:28:32 --> 01:28:34 [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, you were just like, no, that's...
01:28:35 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_09]: calibrate what you think you know about Vader because that who is who Vader really is because we never really see him unleashed like that in the other thing that was the first time that we saw it on screen.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:50 [SPEAKER_09]: So they've taken that idea.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:57 [SPEAKER_09]: And they've taken the sort of sensibility of the the fandom and said.
01:28:58 --> 01:29:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
01:29:03 --> 01:29:30 [SPEAKER_06]: of this guy wrecking shop do you think you know what force using is let let me show you yeah let me show you when somebody is and I don't even think he's at the height of Vaderness here no he's not as just beginning to turn a height of Vaderness yeah yeah it's only
01:29:33 --> 01:29:34 [SPEAKER_09]: He's just on the field.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:35 [SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:43 [SPEAKER_06]: This is, you know, again, I said, he was around me while I was watching the show.
01:29:43 --> 01:29:44 [SPEAKER_06]: He hovered.
01:29:44 --> 01:29:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, when they bought the roof down of it.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:29:51 --> 01:29:59 [SPEAKER_06]: He said, oh, yeah, just like that, you're like, oh, yeah.
01:30:00 --> 01:30:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, really, except he's like, I told you, Papa, look, all he has is some dirt on him.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:17 [SPEAKER_06]: I saw you got some dirt on him, I said, I said, yeah, you're absolutely right.
01:30:17 --> 01:30:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're you're you're to put him on the podcast, because yeah, but that's the that's the
01:30:27 --> 01:30:30 [SPEAKER_09]: And it took all three of them to make it.
01:30:30 --> 01:30:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yes, I got to go back and watch the episode 10 again this time at normal speed to see how much
01:30:40 --> 01:30:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Whenever, whenever Vader is one V1 with somebody, how badly they're losing.
01:30:48 --> 01:30:55 [SPEAKER_09]: And he's, yeah, like you said, he's still just kind of at 30, you know, 40, 50% speed, right?
01:30:55 --> 01:30:59 [SPEAKER_09]: He's not really coming down on the, he's, is he kind of toying with him?
01:30:59 --> 01:31:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Is he kind of having fun with him?
01:31:01 --> 01:31:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:31:02 --> 01:31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: like he's a predator playing with your food yeah maybe exactly exactly he's uh and you know it's it's
01:31:15 --> 01:31:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're remembering of all the physical pain that this guy is dealing right now, right?
01:31:22 --> 01:31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it a lot, you know, it's all the burns, loss arms, loss arm, couple legs, and he is an excruciating pain.
01:31:30 --> 01:31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what the Emperor wants in that way.
01:31:32 --> 01:31:33 [SPEAKER_01]: What's him if you remember?
01:31:34 --> 01:31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He used the pain, but he still has that discipline to be like a 50% it's, it's insane.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.
01:31:44 --> 01:31:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:46 [SPEAKER_09]: You're really learning his power.
01:31:47 --> 01:31:48 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, all right.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:49 [SPEAKER_09]: Should we get up out of here?
01:31:50 --> 01:31:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Season two.
01:31:53 --> 01:31:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Can't come quick enough.
01:31:55 --> 01:31:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, um, don't sound rumblings like maybe.
01:31:58 --> 01:31:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:31:58 --> 01:31:59 [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to see it next year.
01:31:59 --> 01:32:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Like they might have already been at work at this.
01:32:02 --> 01:32:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, yeah.
01:32:04 --> 01:32:06 [SPEAKER_06]: It has to be next year.
01:32:07 --> 01:32:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:32:07 --> 01:32:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:12 [SPEAKER_09]: What do we got coming up here?
01:32:12 --> 01:32:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just looking at the show tracker here, looking at the time line.
01:32:15 --> 01:32:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Devil Wars product to just came out, having had a chance to see it yet, but I got to get, life is just, man, it's just crazy right now.
01:32:24 --> 01:32:28 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just kind of slammed a lot of people talking about widows bad.
01:32:28 --> 01:32:29 [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if we're just going to get up on that.
01:32:30 --> 01:32:31 [SPEAKER_09]: I think so.
01:32:31 --> 01:32:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I watched an episode.
01:32:33 --> 01:32:34 [SPEAKER_09]: That was cool.
01:32:36 --> 01:32:37 [SPEAKER_09]: It's interesting.
01:32:37 --> 01:32:39 [SPEAKER_09]: It's an interesting take on the genre.
01:32:41 --> 01:32:41 [SPEAKER_09]: What else we got?
01:32:41 --> 01:32:47 [SPEAKER_09]: The terror, devil and silver that's coming out tomorrow relative to our recordings.
01:32:48 --> 01:32:51 [SPEAKER_09]: You might touch base about that.
01:32:51 --> 01:32:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Mortal Kombat you didn't know you were you weren't in the Mortal Kombat genre.
01:32:55 --> 01:32:59 [SPEAKER_07]: You were you were you know when we're not we're not doing I think something not doing Mortal Kombat.
01:32:59 --> 01:33:01 [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, I don't know what it is.
01:33:01 --> 01:33:07 [SPEAKER_06]: But I am doing him and me and Alicia I have the power let's go.
01:33:07 --> 01:33:10 [SPEAKER_09]: You're doing the power especially because you also got a dare double.
01:33:10 --> 01:33:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we are we're doing Daredevil just finished so we're recording at the end of this week and you guys should have it shortly thereafter every season
01:33:21 --> 01:33:23 [SPEAKER_06]: If you haven't watched it, you should watch it.
01:33:24 --> 01:33:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Go out and see it.
01:33:24 --> 01:33:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:33:25 --> 01:33:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm looking forward to talking to chopping it up.
01:33:28 --> 01:33:29 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I'm breaking it down.
01:33:29 --> 01:33:30 [SPEAKER_06]: That's you, Luke and Alicia, right?
01:33:30 --> 01:33:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Me, Luke and Alicia.
01:33:32 --> 01:33:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Great season.
01:33:32 --> 01:33:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Great season.
01:33:34 --> 01:33:38 [SPEAKER_09]: And of course, Mandalorian Grogu's coming down the pipeline here.
01:33:38 --> 01:33:41 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm waiting for war was that I'm up for that too.
01:33:41 --> 01:33:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, I'm letting that somebody else drive I know you well.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:45 [SPEAKER_09]: I know you go.
01:33:45 --> 01:33:46 [SPEAKER_09]: I'll be around though.
01:33:46 --> 01:33:57 [SPEAKER_09]: I'll be around We got spider noir Yeah, and then right after that star city That's gonna be interesting and then masters the universe vampire lestat.
01:33:57 --> 01:34:01 [SPEAKER_09]: I know John and Alicia were talking about that
01:34:01 --> 01:34:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Disclosure Day Toy Story 5 like it's stacked.
01:34:04 --> 01:34:05 [SPEAKER_09]: It's good and busy.
01:34:05 --> 01:34:16 [SPEAKER_09]: So it's kind of nice that we're going to slow period right now because we're gathering our strength then house of the dragon I see the bear is got a date finally Season four.
01:34:16 --> 01:34:18 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm so excited for that
01:34:18 --> 01:34:20 [SPEAKER_09]: I got to talk to Ron Dawson.
01:34:20 --> 01:34:25 [SPEAKER_09]: I might be recording with the Dungeons duerex guys on Saturday with Ron and JD.
01:34:25 --> 01:34:31 [SPEAKER_09]: They've been busy with life as well, but they're still intending to join up into the network.
01:34:31 --> 01:34:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
01:34:32 --> 01:34:33 [SPEAKER_09]: We're gonna get them going.
01:34:33 --> 01:34:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Supergirl, silo, spotty sea, and then Star Trek strange new worlds or friends and Captain Spot will be doing that.
01:34:43 --> 01:34:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Land turns to last night.
01:34:45 --> 01:34:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Spider-Man brand new day.
01:34:46 --> 01:34:47 [SPEAKER_07]: Wow, that's so cool.
01:34:47 --> 01:34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yes, Spider-Man, I miss Spider-Man.
01:34:49 --> 01:34:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so another one will sell July.
01:34:50 --> 01:34:52 [SPEAKER_07]: It's crazy, yo.
01:34:53 --> 01:34:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Crazy.
01:34:54 --> 01:34:56 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so yeah, we're going to be busy.
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01:36:48 --> 01:36:49 [SPEAKER_09]: You know her too, Brian.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:50 [SPEAKER_09]: I think.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:50 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:36:51 --> 01:36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's yeah.
01:36:53 --> 01:36:53 [SPEAKER_09]: We haven't even talked about.
01:36:53 --> 01:36:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my god.
01:36:54 --> 01:36:56 [SPEAKER_09]: We haven't even talked about into the West.
01:36:56 --> 01:36:57 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm so sorry.
01:36:57 --> 01:36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's all right.
01:36:58 --> 01:36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll.
01:36:59 --> 01:37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll connect soon.
01:37:00 --> 01:37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get guaranteed.
01:37:01 --> 01:37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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01:37:16 --> 01:37:17 [SPEAKER_09]: Brian, this has been fun.
01:37:17 --> 01:37:25 [SPEAKER_09]: This is your first I mean you did American Revolution, but that was a little bit of a special project, but is this your first bona fide full-time show cover?
01:37:25 --> 01:37:37 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was a pleasure and an honor
01:37:39 --> 01:37:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I wonder, I'm really curious to hear what he thinks.
01:37:41 --> 01:37:42 [SPEAKER_08]: I haven't heard of him.
01:37:42 --> 01:37:51 [SPEAKER_09]: He's been maxed busy to us with RRL stuff, so but I'm curious to what he has to say about it the season.
01:37:51 --> 01:37:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this was good.
01:37:53 --> 01:37:54 [SPEAKER_06]: This was good feeling.
01:37:54 --> 01:37:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Good stuff.
01:37:55 --> 01:37:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's really good.
01:37:56 --> 01:37:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Join my dude.
01:37:57 --> 01:37:58 [SPEAKER_07]: Good talks.
01:37:58 --> 01:38:00 [SPEAKER_06]: I'll see you in my love to your fam.
01:38:01 --> 01:38:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely, everybody be well and thank you both again and to everyone else, we out.
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