[TEASER] Elevenses - The Royal Tenenbaums vs. Isle of Dogs | The Lorehounds: Your Guides to Great Stories

David, John, and Elysia shine a spotlight on auteur Wes Anderson by pitting two of his films against each other. The live-action The Royal Tenenbaums goes against the stop-motion Isle of Dogs in an analysis of what makes Anderson's films special.

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00:00 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of eleventhsies, the movie podcast that we do once a month, where we watch a movie that was voted on by Patreon and supercast subscribers.
00:13 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is actually the June eleventhsies, even though it's the second eleventhsies we've done this month.
00:19 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: We are catching up because maybe we were behind with end or in everything.
00:24 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We did the French connection.
00:25 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you go check that out.
00:26 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That was David's Gene Hackman film fest.
00:29 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Had a great time.
00:31 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And we've had a tie this month.
00:33 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to be doing two movies head to head.
00:36 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Those those movies were Isle of Dogs and the Royal Ten and Bombs both West Anderson movies.
00:41 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And the runner up was the darling one minute.
00:44 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_02]: David would you like to talk about poll results?
00:48 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, I can do that.
00:49 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We had a twenty votes, which is still a little bit lower than where we could be at.
00:55 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So our polling activity is dropped off for a little bit.
01:01 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, I guess it's average.
01:02 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've had some twenties in the past.
01:04 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had some thirties.
01:05 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So we've had some high water marks.
01:06 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was what.
01:07 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's throwing me.
01:08 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:09 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We had seven votes for Isle of Dogs, seven votes for the Royal Ten Bounds, and six votes for the Darjeeling Limited.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Very close, folks.
01:22 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Every vote counts.
01:24 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Every vote counts in the lower-hand elections.
01:26 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we've got these two movies head to head.
01:30 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: This is this part, this intro, this first part of the podcast is gonna be on the public feed.
01:34 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the main discussion will be paywalled behind our Patron and Supercast subscription.
01:39 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want the full discussion, this is a taste of a Lebanese for you.
01:43 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can get that in our subscription services and the link to it in the show notes.
01:49 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Alicia, give me a log line for royal tenant bombs.
01:52 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And then David, give me the Isle of Dogs.
01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, sir.
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know John is here.
01:58 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Admiral John is on the bridge of his star destroyer.
02:02 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, so this is the text that David inserted, Royalt and a mom and his wife, ethylene, had three children who were all extraordinary geniuses in their youth, virtually all memory of their brilliance was subsequently erased by two decades betrayal, failure and disaster.
02:18 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of it generally considered to be their father's fault.
02:21 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: When Royalt returns claiming terminal illness, the family reunites under one roof for an unexpected winter of reconciliation, revelation, and redemption.
02:33 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And then in twenty-eighteen, we have the animated feature, Isle of Dogs, set in a dystopian future Japan.
02:40 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: When Kenan Kenan flew spread across Megasaki City, Mayor Kobayashi banishes all dogs to trash island.
02:49 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: When twelve-year-old Atari, crash lanes in the island searching for his beloved guard dog spots.
02:56 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: encounters a pack of alpha dogs who help them navigate the wasteland while uncovering a conspiracy that's threatens both species.
03:06 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_02]: No, boy, we've got quite the match up here.
03:09 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So I actually think I do want to keep this relatively spoiler free on the hot takes and everything.
03:16 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So David, can you give your hot take?
03:19 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
03:20 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so I watched
03:26 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Royal tenon bombs kind of as a guess like oh, well, maybe it's going to win.
03:30 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, yeah, what the heck?
03:31 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I might as well watch all three of them.
03:33 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We've started Darjeeling, but haven't finished it yet.
03:36 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting because Rushmore is one of my favorite West Anderson movies.
03:45 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really felt like I was watching a
03:49 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: very brush more like movie.
03:53 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I checked the dates and it's like, oh yeah, they're just like, this was just that era.
03:57 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right exactly.
03:58 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very West Anderson.
04:03 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I can say that.
04:03 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was well acted.
04:07 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It was well directed.
04:09 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The production quality is great.
04:11 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The sets are fabulous.
04:13 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels very, it just, I was really at home in the, in the tenon bomb house and all the different rooms and the floors and everything.
04:23 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it feels like this is when Wes Anderson really summons his vision and his voice.
04:32 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Rushmore, I didn't see bottle rocket.
04:33 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen bottle rocket.
04:35 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So Rushmore, like really set out a lot of cornerstones, and it was new, and it was fresh, and it was different.
04:43 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the point where it feels like Wes Anderson is almost settling into himself and a lot of his
04:52 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: major themes and character beats that he likes to explore and the certain cadre of actors all start to get involved and so yeah, it just really felt like him cementing himself.
05:08 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I had never seen Isle of Dogs so I was pretty excited to see it and
05:15 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I was really enjoying it up until about two thirds of the way, or not the midpoint or not.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I was doing some, well, at least I'll side note.
05:26 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I was doing some a little bit more research on that script writing technique of the midpoint or the pivot.
05:32 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it seems like it's a very well-known thing.
05:36 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not at the one hour mark.
05:39 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's some people I think we're just talking about it around the one hour mark and I picked up on this.
05:43 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess because movies are usually two hours though.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
05:46 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have a three-act play and you've got a hundred and twenty minutes and you know, whatever you breathe, the midpoint.
05:51 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, different movies can break up these pivot points, right?
05:55 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's where the action changes and the stakes for the characters get ramped up or the new world is revealed and whatever.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So they can be, you know, in a lot of different places.
06:05 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's somewhere like when that
06:09 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: At one of those pivot points, I think it was around, maybe it was around something to do with the dog spot.
06:18 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of was like, oh, okay, I can see the rest of this movie now.
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, this is what's gonna happen.
06:25 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I can kind of, I have a sense from seeing enough West Anderson movies of how the rest of this is gonna play out.
06:33 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I was just sort of along for the ride for the rest of the movie.
06:37 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was in his excited as when I started out.
06:39 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That said, I have like eight pages of notes.
06:42 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: because there's so many omages and references, he's taken stuff directly out of other movies, a particular musical score, he's pulled up.
06:54 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's this great bouillier-based sort of Mishmosh, you know, kitchen soup, throw it all in kind of thing.
07:03 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's really exceptionally put together the sound design is exceptional.
07:10 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: There's, there's a bunch of cool, there's a weird environmental sort of thematic running through here.
07:17 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a great thing around mystical pathways, you know, using the, I know we're not going to talk specifics, but these, this cable car transportation system that operates in the, in the world.
07:27 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There's this really interesting thing that it sort of mirrors a Japanese morality play like no theater.
07:32 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I did some research on that and how the movie and the mirrors some of those traditional aesthetics.
07:41 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, Anderson with, is it stopped motion?
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What is how is this?
07:47 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not claiming it is stop motion.
07:50 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's stop motion.
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's exceptional.
07:52 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's delivery.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The way the fur waves in the wind.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I kept it admiring that.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:59 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's the overhead shot of the sushi making like that was just incredible.
08:05 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I hated that.
08:05 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's because they were cutting up live animals and that's okay.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, that's fair.
08:10 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But they were clay live animals, so yeah.
08:13 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, this is not like, it's not like it's old boy where he really did eat live octopus.
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Four of them.
08:24 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I guess I don't know the reference, but anyway, I don't know this either.
08:27 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a log log.
08:28 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's by the way, it's octopuses.
08:30 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There is no octopi word.
08:32 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is conception.
08:34 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a, this is a weird plate of shrimp moment, and that's a repo man reference around concurrent around coincidence.
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just having the same conversation.
08:46 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: about Greek and Latin endings was being had by a bunch of fourth and fifth graders yesterday at the ice cream surgery.
08:53 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And the school year, a whole bunch of people went out to this diner that was having a special ice cream party for everybody.
08:59 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a conversation about this exact point and about Greek and Roman suffixes, suffixes, if I can say that word itself.
09:08 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It is indeed octopuses even though that sounds way worse.
09:12 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's that I less and learned thank you and the movie that I'm talking about it's a super famous park channel woke movie just a really iconic action movie kind of originated the hallway fight trope Okay, but it's I personally were intensely just like it for a couple reasons and one is that they actually had the lead actor eat live animals on screen.
09:35 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay
09:36 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, anyway.
09:38 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the animation sequence was incredible.
09:42 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wasn't even thinking about the fish part of it, but like the latter parts of it, making the boxes and things.
09:48 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: and wrap everything.
09:49 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So just a really extraordinary film in its presentation and it's sound design and special effects and concept really super interesting.
10:03 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it just falls right into a West Anderson movie and then I was just like, okay, just going for the ride and not be surprised by any of the ending.
10:12 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I personally don't even want to talk about, I hope to talk so much because I'm like, it's very visually beautiful.
10:19 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: The score is great.
10:21 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It's charming in a lot of ways, but I just don't care about it that much.
10:26 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: The main plot didn't really have me going that much because you know it's going to work out at the end.
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the same with this.
10:32 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: For me, it was the same with the Ten and Bumps.
10:33 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I was really uninterested in the Ten and Bumps.
10:37 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: See, I love the Royal Ten and Bumps.
10:39 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's the emotional journey of, no, I bought the Royal Ten and Bumps like two years ago.
10:43 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I bought this.
10:45 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, I just enjoy like a good character emotional journey, whereas the character has felt a lot more except Chief had a lot of character development, but most of the characters felt very much just like devices.
11:00 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's true in the Royal Ten and Mom's too, but I don't know maybe because it's real people, it feels less kitschy to me.
11:06 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever seen Rushmore?
11:07 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I have.
11:08 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
11:09 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Rushmore is just...
11:12 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's less good than the peak West Anderson.
11:16 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like you were saying he was like starting figure out his way.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's early.
11:21 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Andrew West Anderson.
11:22 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
11:22 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
11:23 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think West Anderson has like different like figures.
11:27 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He brings into a story to fit his formula.
11:30 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we're going to focus on in the second part of this conversation.
11:32 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_02]: But before we get there, Alicia, what are your hot dates?
11:35 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've always been watching his movies, I guess probably since like the Royal Ten of Bums, and then went back.
11:43 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Royal Ten of Bums is one that, because it was just so, for me, it's not just nostalgia, it is, because I've recently, I went hard for this, for this West Anderson film fest.
11:53 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: There were three features I had not seen of his in a handful of shorts, so I watched it all, and now I'm all caught up, but I rewatched the Dark Geeling Limited just because I really like that one, and obviously rewatched Royal Ten of Bums.
12:06 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're all ten and a month is one that I in college watched over and over with my friends.
12:11 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So, because that's when it came out.
12:14 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I was like, what cemented Wes Anderson in my mind?
12:22 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And since it's with exceptions like, for me, the Dark Geoling Limited and the Grand Budapest Hotel,
12:31 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Those, I love those two, but often I find that his movies are prettier than they are human, if that makes sense.
12:42 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I would apply that to his latter films.
12:46 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I'm saying.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:47 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's earlier films are pretty plain overall, I would say.
12:51 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I wouldn't call the rail ten and bombs plain, but I mean, bottle rock can be compared compared to say like, um, what's the one that came to asteroid city like that's hyper colorized where ten and bombs and rush more are shot pretty straightforwardly sure.
13:08 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I personally consider the Grand Budapest Hotel, like the pinnacle of West Anderson movies, like he did everything he does in every other movie in that movie.
13:16 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fair.
13:17 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And that one is just so thematically colored.
13:20 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:21 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're saying David.
13:22 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't get to re-watch that one, but now I want to, now I'm like, oh, I just want to go back and re-watch the other ones I didn't.
13:29 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that our dealing limited is my favorite because it's the most emotionally raw.
13:34 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
13:37 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But so yeah, so this was so the real tenon moms I saved that for last and it was as good as I remember like the only ding I would really give it is you know his later movies like I love dogs accused of exoticism and I don't think that that's a fair critique and you know I went through and read
13:55 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: the perspective of a bunch of people who grew up in Japan and they really applauded, he had a Japanese co-writer for that one.
14:03 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And they really applauded the nuance that the Japanese side was handled with.
14:07 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's okay for him to make a film that's set in another country and same for Dark Gealing Limited.
14:16 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The Royal Tenombams does have exotic characters just for the sake of a joke.
14:21 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's showing its age in that way, but that's genuinely my only complaints.
14:26 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Just having rewatched it last night in this morning.
14:30 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
14:31 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I see your choosing of ages and for having Gene Hackman, right?
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:36 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you're doing.
14:38 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I like how this is a way for the voters to sneak in an extra Gene Hackman film fest round.
14:43 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That was my, that was my doing.
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I was taking a peek out of
14:47 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Properly Howard's bacon rap thing where you were they hop from one actor to another this season Well you did it to start with bacon to get back to bacon You did it so now we would have to figure out a crossover actor between one of these three films and Alicia's next round of picks so if we wanted to stay consistent we could try we could try
15:08 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that the timelines line up.
15:11 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so I love dogs.
15:13 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: First time watching it, I think, you know, the animation was gorgeous.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It was an interesting story.
15:20 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It was also just felt like not entirely geared toward me.
15:25 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of his films feel more geared toward me than others, which is fine.
15:29 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
15:30 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, going back and rewatching a bunch in a row, I think there is some more variety than I give him credit for.
15:38 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he has the familiar tropes, but those tropes, I always say, you know, I defend tropes because they are just colors on the palate for the artist to paint with.
15:48 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think he uses them for different characters.
15:50 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, watching these two movies, I'm thinking, he one of the weaknesses of his later era is he got so big he was able to get these huge ensemble cast of huge actors.
16:01 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:01 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And then all of the characters become shallower because they're just not enough time to develop them.
16:07 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Where as royal tenant bombs is really not that huge of a cast.
16:11 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I love dogs.
16:12 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually felt like it was harder to get to know the dogs or whatnot because there were more.
16:15 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: There was more going on.
16:16 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kept looking up who was who's voice because some of those guys' voices sound the same and I know.
16:24 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like wait.
16:25 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Is spots actually, you're going to sorry.
16:28 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would even push back a little bit further, go back to Rushmore, and you've got a couple of big stars.
16:34 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got a couple of early career stars, and then you've got a bunch of unequasi unknowns that he uses later.
16:40 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:40 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, that's one of the things that hit about Rushmore, so well, was like, wow, who are these people acting the hell out of what they're doing right next to Bill Murray?
16:53 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, Bill Murray walks on screen and he just he just dominates, right, because he's been married.
16:57 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was one of the end in Jason source men as in a very early role as well.
17:02 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, Rushmore was like fresh and interesting and the music and all of the things that West Anderson has perfected over the years to me when you unwrapped Rushmore that first time it was like
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
17:16 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: What is this?
17:17 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And now Wes Anderson just cranked it out like in his sleep.
17:20 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's like, call my car to me of music.
17:21 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just a victim of his own success, right?
17:24 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Completely.
17:24 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: You can call up everybody in the industry and they're all like, yeah, I'll be in a movie.
17:28 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:28 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:28 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And like two lines of dialogue.
17:30 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, right.
17:31 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
17:31 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Steve Correll had like two lines.
17:34 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, you got Steve Correll to come in for two lines and rest.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:38 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but that's that's an easy job for them.
17:40 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just saying to go, I went back and I watched because I had never seen his first film was a short call.
17:48 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I short call about a rocket and then he expanded that into the feature called about a rocket.
17:53 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't realize that was a two state.
17:56 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a two state rocket, if you will.
17:58 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so basically it's funny.
18:00 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The short is in black and white, but they, it's like filmed in the same location they had.
18:05 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a win and Luke Wilson in a third shot.
18:08 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm looking at the base for a while now.
18:11 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't realize that those guys were in his first movie.
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's how they all got their start.
18:17 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, it's funny that he often has the Wilson brothers in his movies, but I don't think they've ever played brothers.
18:25 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we said like, yeah, there were somebody else's brothers.
18:29 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, yeah, it was really interesting to see how that is very like stripped back and you can see there's a bit of the humor like he does this stick where the character's talking and then it cuts location and the character like continues to sentence is if they haven't changed location You can see starting to play around and then rush more I didn't rewatch it this time, but I do like it and it is where like I think it starts to become
18:55 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: much more you're starting to see what West Enders Anderson is as a filmmaker and then for me the royal town of bobs is he's like oh my found it exactly yeah yeah exactly yeah same I'm on the on the exact same pages that
19:10 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, we've got a lot to talk about, but before we take a break and kick out the public feed people again, you can find that in the linker in the show notes.
19:19 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We will just give some stats here that David has helpedfully put out for me.
19:22 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So this was Royal Tenet Bombs written by Wes Anderson and Owen Wilson, speaking of Wilson twins, twins.
19:28 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not twins.
19:29 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Brothers.
19:30 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, do I say, Wes Anderson?
19:32 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:34 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Directed by Wes Anderson, starring Jean Hackman and Jellick Ehuson Benstiller, Gwen Faltrow, Luke Wilson, Owen Wilson, Bill Murray, Danny Glover, and Alex Baldwin as the narrator.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize he was the narrator.
19:48 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_02]: budget was twenty one million and the box office was seventy one point four million pretty good pretty good and the ratings and reviews eighty one percent on rotten tomatoes because eighty nine percent audience score uh... metacritic seventy six and eight point oh and letter box four point one so i think be a pretty consistent there right everybody they're all hitting the board in the same spot yes yes definitely
20:13 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then I of dogs was, again, written by Wes Anderson and also Roman Coppola, Coppola.
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
20:21 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Jason Swordsman and Kudici Nomora, uh, directed by Wes Anderson, voice cast Brian Cranston, co-you Ryan Rankin.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
20:31 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Co-you Rankin, Ed Norton, Leave Shriver, uh, Bill Murray, Bob Bellaband, Jeff Goldboom, Scarlet Johansson, Tilda Swinton, and Francis McDormand.
20:44 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Budget was sixty four million and grossed only fifty sixty four point two million worldwide so felt pretty flat and ratings ninety percent on run tomatoes with eighty seven percent audience score.
20:58 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Metacritic eighty two and eight point oh and letter box four point one.
21:02 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm much with these rated well I'm the ratings with the audience.
21:06 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was not a strong movie as.
21:10 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
21:11 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It did get to Oscar nominations for Best Animated Feature and Best Score.
21:16 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And Real Ten and Bob Scott won for Best Original Screenplay.
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I guess I would.
21:22 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and Wilson held to write.
21:25 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
21:26 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, yeah, that's crazy to me.
21:28 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why not?
21:29 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But.
21:31 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
21:31 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to skip our test because there's two movies and that's going to take twenty minutes.
21:35 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we can have that much of us.
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's not Kayla Sanders and Lopez.
21:41 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you could do like the Anderson verse, but yeah, I think you'd have you want to restrict him.
21:46 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:47 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to do all the special why do you think what about violence?
21:51 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: violence.
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some animal violence.
21:58 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I love dogs.
21:59 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing that made you my diet.
22:01 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't just think that makes me.
22:03 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love, well, we can't talk about spoilers.
22:06 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, the way that a lot of violence is handled in all the dogs is really nicely done visually.
22:12 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the comical way that it's handled.
22:14 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, but yeah, I don't think I would say Pukula scale zero for me.
22:18 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, neither okay.
22:20 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We're a little thin in mom's is totally fine.
22:23 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
22:24 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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