Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man S1 – MCUniverse

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[00:00:30] It's time to roll the dice.

[00:00:58] Marvel Animation fans, if your Spidey senses are tingling, that's because it's time for another trip through the MC Universe, or should I say MC Multiverse, with Comics vs. a Lorehounds podcast. I'm Alicia. And I'm John, and we're finally catching up on that dope-ass first season of Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man on Disney+. We'll start with some quick, spoiler-free reactions for those of you considering whether to watch the show

[00:01:25] before setting off your Peter Tingle with a spoiler warning to really get into the plot and characters. And consider this also your blanket spoiler warning for all other previous Marvel stories on the screener page, which we might bring up while discussing. But we're here today to specifically talk about this first season of the new animated series, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man,

[00:01:50] which is it's offering a fresh new origin story for Peter Parker with his whole coterie of allies and antagonists and some other fresh faces from the Marvel canon. But this is set, it's not set in the main Marvel MCU 616 universe. This is set in an adjacent universe, so it shares some of the same characters and major events with MCU, but also has a lot of significant differences. And Sean, let's get right into it.

[00:02:19] What is your spoiler-free, we're going to be spoiler-free until after the break, hot take on this season? I really enjoyed it. And as you know, Alicia, I came into this very skeptical. Not wanting another, you know, Peter Parker origin story. Not wanting another high school drama with Peter. But I feel like we've seen that done so many times, and I'm ready to do something else with the character.

[00:02:48] But I was shockingly surprised at how much I enjoyed and was enjoying each episode. And to put, you know, the icing on the cake, my eight-year-old really, really enjoyed watching this series. So I wholeheartedly approve of this Spider-Man.

[00:03:16] I can't wait to see more of this universe, more stories that get to be told. And truly, I think they did a great job with the character building in this first season. And I'm really excited to see where to take the story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this was originally going to be called, was it like Spider-Man freshman year or something like that? And then they were going to have a sophomore year. And the original plan was to do four, like a four-year high school arc.

[00:03:45] And they were originally going to do it within the original MC universe, you know, with the specific Tom Holland Spider-Man. But then they decided like, well, first of all, let's not restrict ourselves to doing one full year of high school a year. Let's just, let's let it be looser. So we have this first season already out in full now. In 2026, we're getting season two. And they've already started development on season three.

[00:04:11] So they said that, you know, if all goes well, they would love for there to be a new one of these every year, basically. That's really awesome. I think they deserve the second season, see what we can, what they can get with it. The third season, the fourth season. I mean, if the team stays intact and they're telling the story in the way that they told this first season, then yeah, keep it going. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:41] The showrunner for this is Jeff Trammell. And I looked into his portfolio of what he's done before. And he has a lot of experience with animation, but mostly like geared younger and not stuff that I would, that I've watched myself. So he was kind of an unknown entity, but I think he really, he did a good job. There's a clear vision. There's, you know, it's well paced, does pulls from a lot of different places and combines things well.

[00:05:08] I was saying before we got on here, I don't have, I can't think of anything negative to say about the show. You know, I think the art style was apparently controversial to some. I personally love it. It's definitely, it's intentionally like trying to be comic book style, but I think it's really cool to see something different with the thick lines. Absolutely. Totally. I thought it was, the art was, was great. The animation was, I didn't have a, I actually really liked it.

[00:05:37] As you know, I still collecting and reading comic books. So to have that style on screen in a way that wasn't cheesy was really, I thought it was really dope. They did a great job. They did a great job. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, I'm sucked in. It's especially, it's a story about friendship at the core and, but it really gets me invested in a whole bunch of different relationships between Peter and the people in his life and, and worried about the future of them, of course.

[00:06:07] So, um, it did well on that part. It also, even like there are characters that are canonically villains and I know there's gotta be a term, but I'm rooting for them. Nonetheless, I'm like, maybe this is like, like it Mark and invincible. I'm like, maybe this is the one universe where they're good. I don't know. Um, I did, I found it a really satisfying season finale. Yes. It was really good, but it really, really tight.

[00:06:37] Ties it back up when they started the season. Yeah. They tied everything up. Um, no loose ends. No, there was nothing left to say. I wasn't, once the credits rolled, I wasn't saying to myself, oh my gosh, what happened to so-and-so? Um, yeah, they did a, it was a very good television series. It was really good. Yeah. But they still, they set up things for next season.

[00:07:03] Like, you know, Nico, I am really excited to get more of Nico's backstory. And I agree that the first season, it's not about her, but, uh, they gave us teases in the end that say, okay, we're going to learn more about her next season. Yes. And other characters too, so. Um, and what an inspired decision to have Coleman Domingo as Norman Osborn. And can we please get him playing Norman Osborn in live action? He's so good in this. Yeah.

[00:07:32] The voice acting, across the board, the voice acting was really great. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And they did, um, I mean, some of the characters, we'll talk about it as we go through in the spoiler side. Some of the characters are like the live action cast. Uh, some of them are the voice, like the Spider-Man himself is the voice who, who played him in, um, what, what if. So it is meant to stay close to the live action casting of these.

[00:08:00] So there's hope crossing my fingers. Let's see. Do you think, um, that people need to have seen anything else before watching this? No, absolutely not. Mm-hmm. Absolutely not. This is a rare thing where actually there's nothing you need to do to prep. It might even be more fun for you.

[00:08:18] We're about to spoil a bunch of stuff in a minute, but it might be fun for you to not know all of like the baggage and backstory of all the various Spider-Man stories because this is doing something different. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to, to have any knowledge of Peter Parker or Spider-Man in order to jump into this series from episode one. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else you want to say before I take off the spoiler gag order? No, let's get into it.

[00:08:48] All right. Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers. So we've got 15 year old Peter Parker who's supposed to start his freshman year at Midtown High School, the science focused high school. We see him attending in the main MCU, but an alien attack derails those plans, sending Peter down a new path with new allies at Rockford T. Bales High School instead. But not before he's bitten by a mysterious spider that gives him superpowers. Yes.

[00:09:16] So, yeah, we have, as Peter Parker, like I said, it's the guy who played him in What If, Hudson Thames. And I mean, he sounds a lot like Tom Holland. I think that was one of the reasons he was cast. I think he does a good job and we're going to ignore any comments he made that used the word woke. I may not ignore it, but. Basically, anyone who doesn't know, he said, I was really relieved that it wasn't woke or whatever, like I was afraid it was going to be. So, like, okay, moving on past that.

[00:09:46] You did a good job. So we got a nice evolution of costumes. We had Peter's homemade costume, which was replaced by the white costume from Oscorp. And then eventually he lands on the classic blue and red costume. Did you have favorites amongst these? The white costume. Yeah. Yeah. I also really like the white costume.

[00:10:13] I mean, I'll say the classic one is, it's like my least favorite. I mean, that's, yeah. It's, we've seen it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. I thought the white costume, that whole episode with him trying on the different costumes was hilarious. Yeah. It was really good stuff. But yeah, I think my favorite was indeed the white. I do like, though, also his homemade costume just because it's different than what we've seen before.

[00:10:41] It was like kind of a throwback to Miles Morales for me when he first started, you know, getting his spider powers. And he didn't have a suit and, you know, he's running around in his sneakers and, you know, in a hoodie. So it was a nice, you know, like, it was very synergistic to that for me. Okay. Okay. And his home life. So it's, again, it's him and his Aunt May as it usually is.

[00:11:08] Dare I say this is my favorite iteration of May Parker? Really? Yeah. I mean, I guess, I mean, I also really like Marissa Tomei. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. This is clearly based off of Marissa Tomei with the fact that she's a younger, you know, hipper. But I think that Marissa Tomei's Aunt May, no, actually, she's great. Yeah, it's a tie. I just feel like she didn't, maybe I'm just mad about things that happened to her. Yeah.

[00:11:35] Yeah, because I thought she did a great job playing Aunt May. I just think she should have gotten more. More. Absolutely. And I'm still pissed about her death. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, it was an effective death. It really hit me, but yeah. Yeah, I'm still pissed about it, though. Effective. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I did not want them to off that. No. No, it makes you wonder who's going to die, because in, well, in this version, his Uncle Ben is already dead.

[00:12:05] Yes. He has to canonically lose someone. This is what's establishing into the Spider-verse. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's my whole fight against this. He doesn't have to lose someone in order to become who he becomes. It would be cool. You don't have to. It would be cool if this show overlapped with Beyond the Spider-Verse. That would be cool. That would be cool. Because they're definitely addressing those questions in that film, I would say. They were setting that up in the last one. Yeah. Definitely.

[00:12:34] But yeah, we learn later Peter's father, Richard, is in jail. So although it's kind of implied throughout the series that he's dead, but he's not. He's alive and he's in jail. That's what we learned at the end. Right. But Peter is looking for a father figure throughout. I wonder if his dad will be the one to die in this version. No, just no death. No death. Why are you trying to off people? No. I'm not. It's Spider-Man canon. No, no, no, no. We don't have to buy into the canon.

[00:13:04] Oh my gosh. No. Okay. Okay. I'm going to start calling you Miguel. What did you think about the twist that his father is alive and in prison? I thought that was cool because I didn't see it coming. No, I was surprised. I also assumed he had passed away. Yeah. So I definitely didn't see it coming. I thought that was a nice twist to have this secret that he doesn't know. That he's in mourning basically for his family, but his family is still alive.

[00:13:33] And for whatever reason, they've decided not to tell him. You know? So what did he do to get locked up? And why did they make such a point of him not knowing that his father's locked up? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because May is like being covert for the entire season. It seems like she's working late, but then at the end it's kind of implied that she's going and visiting Peter's father. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:14:04] I guess his father is her brother? Is that how it goes? Or he's Uncle Ben's brother? I think he's Uncle Ben's brother. Okay. Okay. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And we got Doctor Strange in full time loop mode. We got, first of all, I just have to say the look of Doctor Strange. I love that he's like ripped straight off the classic comic pages, even with like the spotted gloves and stuff. Yes.

[00:14:31] But the one distracting thing is his mustache, which is from the comic. You didn't like the mustache? No. I mean, I like that he has it, but it needed to be just like half a centimeter lower because it was distracting me that it was coming straight out of his nostrils. Oh, I didn't. I didn't. It looked like it was growing out of his nostrils. That's my one. Okay. I said no complaints. That's my one complaint. Just half a centimeter lower. Okay. Okay.

[00:14:58] But yeah, I like the whole story where he shows up in the opening and he doesn't know who Peter is. And that makes sense, you know? And then he shows up at the end and he still doesn't know who Peter is. But then we find out it's because, of course, as soon as that, it's Venom, right? The creature that comes through. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's a symbiote. Yeah. Yeah. So as soon as the symbiote comes through the portal, I was like, oh, it's going to be a time loop. The entire season is a time loop.

[00:15:28] It was well done. It was well done. Yeah. So we have Dr. Stranger at the time zone. And so that's why he's like, at first when he was like, I didn't destroy the high school, I thought, oh, was someone impersonating him? And then when I saw the symbiote, I'm like, oh, I see. He just didn't do it yet. Right. But this leads to this whole interesting bootstrap paradox origin bite for Peter where this.

[00:15:55] So, OK, what do you think happened with the spider that bit him? Like he the spider got the blood and then went through the time loop and then bit past Peter and turned him into a superhero. I thought the spider was already radioactive when it went through the time loop. Because they were studying it with his blood that they took from him in Oscorp lab. Yes.

[00:16:23] So that was how. But again, it is which came first or how did it come about? Right. Right. So that's a question that he asked. He said, he said, Papa, I'm trying to understand how the spider was in the future, but then was also in the past. And I said, yeah, man, that's the comics, buddy.

[00:16:52] That's comics, buddy. With a straight ass face. That's what I said. And I quickly changed the subject. Because trying to go down that rabbit hole with an eight year old. Oh, good gracious. But he picked up on that. Why? But he picked up on it. And, you know, I don't have an answer as to which came first. Yeah. No.

[00:17:19] I mean, I think the show left us with like there is no answer. Yeah. Maybe. And then there's also to that Venom type creature, obviously vanquished at the end, but left behind some goo found by Norman. So that's definitely going to play into season two. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to see who actually becomes a Venom for that universe. Yeah. Yeah. So you and I have been talking about the new Daredevil show. We have Charlie Cox here himself playing Daredevil.

[00:17:47] And he only shows up, I kind of expected more, but I think he was well used and kind of set up for a bigger role next season. He just shows up twice. What did you think about Daredevil in this show? I loved that first scene with him and Peter on the rooftop. That was really well done, you know? So just the way he moves, the way that they showed his power set was really cool.

[00:18:17] And you also got a sense of how much of a great hand-to-hand martial artist Daredevil is. Uh-huh. You know, they really show you that this guy is really good at fighting. Yeah. Which, you know, comes into play when we're watching the live action series. Uh-huh. You know, like, it's not just his height and senses, but the guy's just really good at fighting. You know?

[00:18:45] So I'm glad that they did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's the one, he tells Peter that there's something shady up with Norman, but then we find out that the shady thing with Norman is this gateway thing, this project monolith that we see that we were talking about where that ends up bringing the symbiote into our world. And so it's not like when he said there was something shady going on, I'm like, oh, here we go.

[00:19:14] Norman Osborn, for anyone who doesn't know, that's the Green Goblin. Like, things are starting to go south now. And I thought it was going to be like something, he is exploiting Peter. He is studying his blood. But it's not like in a malicious way. I, you know, from jump, I don't trust any Norman Osborn in any universe. Right.

[00:19:41] As soon as that guy was on screen, I'm like, yeah, okay, bad things will happen. So I don't trust him. Right. I think that this Norman Osborn is definitely doing multiple things behind the scenes that we're not even privy to yet. I don't, I don't believe that everything that he did with Peter Parker was truly

[00:20:07] signaling, singularly out of altruistic means. Like he didn't want, it was just not out of the goodness of his heart. He wants to really help this superhero become the best version of himself. And the way that you become the best version of yourself is to make everybody be afraid of you. That's a red flag. Right. To me, that's a huge red flag.

[00:20:30] So I think there are things that Daredevil may not, that Daredevil may be investigating beyond the gateway about Norman Osborn. I don't think he, go ahead. No, go ahead. No, I just think that there are, there are things that he's doing.

[00:20:52] It just gave me the sense that, you know, he's not simply invested in a gateway or simply invested in Peter. Like there are things he has to be doing on multiple fronts to try to bring about the world that he wants. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, sadly, part of me wants this just to be like the one good Norman Osborn, but you're absolutely right. And, you know, as soon as he says with great power comes great respect.

[00:21:22] And it's, it's again, it's, and this is a, another good sign of the writing in this show. It's not like this obvious mustache twirling thing. It's just someone who's, you know, there are definitely lots of people who think that, that power comes through fear. Yeah. Yeah. And you see like, he doesn't mean it in a, in an evil way per se. He just, it just might not be what's best for Peter or anyone else. Right. It's his way or the highway basically.

[00:22:05] Mm-hmm. It's just, you know, that he's just, you know, somebody who's trying to do good, trying to do right for the people. There's something else happening. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I kind of like them being on the same side, but that's always how it starts in a Spider-Man story. Yeah. And then his rivalry with Octavius, you know, it's just using Peter to, to get what he wanted,

[00:22:34] you know, to happen to Octavius as well. Yeah. So. Yeah. So we have to auto Octavius also in this doc. And we'll talk more about his whole story in this, but they position, they position Norman Osborn and auto Octavius as rivals in this. Do you think they will team up? Um, no. No, you don't think we're getting a sinister six.

[00:23:03] I mean, Green Goblin is notorious for being insane. Mm-hmm. Auto Octavius is not, um, you will, you could argue that they are not on the same wavelength. Like, auto, Doc Ock, and Green Goblin, while they both hate Spider-Man, I don't hesitate

[00:23:30] in thinking that Green Goblin would throw Doc Ock off a bridge if he could. Sure. But that doesn't mean that they won't team up for a short-term purpose, right? Mm. I don't know. I don't know. It could happen, but I don't think it will in this story. Okay. I don't think it will. Okay. Maybe, maybe not in like season two, maybe in like season four.

[00:23:57] I think we'll, I think we'll get some version of the sinister six with Ock being the person that puts the team together, like giving out different sorts of, you know, um, paraphernalia to different, you know, groups like he already helped the scorpion become the scorpion. You could possibly find the vulture, you know, things like that. Right. So I can see that happening, but I just don't think in this first season, the way that they

[00:24:24] positioned Harry, the way they positioned Norman is in any way on the same page or headed towards the same thing that Octavius is headed for. they put them as adversaries and i think it's going to stay like that okay okay okay well speaking of adversaries so this is also you know we said there's um events in common this is set right

[00:24:50] after like captain america civil war took place in the mcu so we've had that whole thing with the sokovia accords which reminder for anyone who doesn't know sokovia accords are um basically they said like superheroes should be registered with the government because they are dangerous weapons running around and uh civil war was a result of iron man took the side of yes sir we should register for the government because we are dangerous weapons and captain america was like

[00:25:18] fuck no um you cannot yeah you're not going to control us that's called fascism and that's not my america so we have thaddeus ross who shows up and thaddeus ross he was played by william hurt in the past so during this time he was the secretary of state in the modern mcu he's played by um he's played by harrison ford and he's the president but this is in the from the past so he looks like

[00:25:45] thaddeus ross in this and uh yeah we had iron man true to his civil war i'm serving the government stepping in to help thaddeus ross arrest otto what did you think of all that i think it's so interesting that tony stark is tony stark in whatever universe tony stark is in you know like it's the same guy you know and i think that's very interesting that they did that also that cap

[00:26:13] is the same guy right same sort of of morals that these two have because they've been set up in the mcu proper as the you know the pinnacle right these are the two heroes of heroes right so now seeing different universes where they're essentially you know they don't get off that their pivot they're

[00:26:38] the same guy the same person through and through um maybe slight variations here and there but when it comes to the bigger picture it looks like we're not gonna get any radical tony stark or you know someone who's gonna just tote the line and cap which is really cool for me i like that i like that um i was thinking about this civil war a conflict from you know from the mcu and how it's carried over

[00:27:07] here um i was thinking it was reminding me of a conversation that luke and i had during our silo coverage about order versus justice whereas iron man is very much on the side of order and captain america is on the side of justice and i was thinking maybe that's why it rubs us so much the wrong way to see the next captain america uh jump to the side of order over justice

[00:27:35] that's a great point that's a great point and and to be clear like you know luke makes some when we were talking about this he makes some excellent um some excellent points in favor of order but also you know i make some points in favor of well the danger of order uh most dangerous of all of course is what we have now which is neither order nor justice i think um i think the disappointment for

[00:28:02] you know sam wilson mcu captain america is that yes he's on the side of order when he knows that justice is not being done right okay it's not like sam is oblivious he's not he's actively choosing to turn the other way and that is so problematic for me in that portrayal of the character

[00:28:31] so it bothers you less when iron man does it because he's thinks he's doing the right thing and you're saying yeah sam in in brave new world knew he was doing the wrong absolutely absolutely and i you know i don't like what iron man is doing i'm not saying it's okay no i'm saying that he just thinks that he's doing the right thing truly and that he's wrong for it yeah but sam

[00:28:57] is singing that what he's actively doing is in conflict with what he should be doing he knows it when he looks at at you know isaiah he knows he's wrong in that moment but still he forces that viewpoint down our throats and down isaiah's throat and that is that is the

[00:29:23] the heinous act for me in that movie no i'm with you i'm with you um so with iron man in this show uh we one thing that was like advertised to us is as a difference between the spider-man story that we experienced in the mcu in this version is that instead of iron man his um he's basically the

[00:29:48] protege of of norman osborn at this point but as we've already discussed norman osborn is likely to go off the deep end at some point um it always happens it always happens uh maybe not this time uh but so the fact that they've introduced iron man do you think that means he'll slot into that role or do you think it'll be more dr strange instead you know i or daredevil

[00:30:15] i hope i hope none of the above because spider-man has always tried to figure out things on his own he's had no real you know person to look up to and you know he's never been a protege he's never been a sidekick right he's got this power at a young age and he went out and learned on his own made his

[00:30:44] mistakes and learned from his mistakes picked himself back up and became better for them so i'm i really hope that's what we get that yes he has a supporting a support network but when he's as a superhero i i never really liked the idea that he's being you know shown the superhero life

[00:31:09] by these older guys and gals who have been doing this for far longer than he has that's not spidey for me it's more like i think i think miles morales gets the spider-man as that part of spider-man more than what we've gotten in the mcu okay that's fair i've heard other people say the same

[00:31:36] um yeah maybe that is the thing because i did also notice in this season at may at one point she's like oh i wish you had a father figure to look up to like who doesn't need a specific male man to look up to when he has he has a good home uh life exactly with with you know someone who with a loving parents and stuff and some there are lots of people who have one parents or have two parents of the same gender

[00:32:02] and you don't need and and so i was disturbed to hear her say that and i hope that he will come to the realization that he doesn't need to be looking for a daddy out there but i think that's the subversive nature of the show is that she says that he finds that and ultimately we see why what he found was so wrong you know what i mean like i think he's piecing those things together

[00:32:28] right like i don't need that i don't need what you're saying and how much how often growing up did our folks you know if we're blessed enough to have had interactions with our parents or you know apparently figures have said one thing that we needed and we kind of figured out that the thing that they said that we needed maybe is not really what we need yeah yeah that's part of growing up

[00:32:53] right so i think i think they they did that intentionally is what i think so too yeah i agree with you i agree with you and just because overall the writing has been laying these tracks as well with the way it plays with and subverts what everybody knows about spider-man yes um so just to point out that the iron man in this show is played by mike winger who also plays it in what if so again it seems like a careful casting probably going to see more of in some way or another i have to say though

[00:33:22] for me the casting coup of this show is that they uh so we have in the live action spider-man movies zach cherry who a lot of people will know as dylan from severance um he plays a character named clev who appears on the street sometimes like uh spider-man do a flip or recording him or things like that and they had him pop up throughout this show and i just thought that was such a delightful

[00:33:47] addition and actually got zach cherry to do the voice as well so i love that were you excited about that at all i think um you're like no i mean i i just i i it's hard for me to there's there's a

[00:34:07] a couple of specific characters that i think you know stood out for me but overall i think you can't go wrong with pointing one or the other out you know what i'm saying like so i hear and i and i think you're right but i just think anybody who's watched this show or who will watch the show could come up with

[00:34:35] a character and they say oh man this was so dope casting this was so they did this so very well and i don't think i would have an issue with them saying this character was done no i mean i was being i was being uh a bit over the top saying it was the casting coup but okay i was just i was just happy to see him back all right all right okay okay all right let's take a quick break here when we get back we're going to talk about the other people

[00:35:01] in spider-man's life all right so of course we have to begin with peter's best friend my favorite

[00:35:26] clearly nico minoru why is she your favorite again in why is she my favorite oh because she's witchy no i mean yeah so she for anyone who doesn't know or didn't listen to our previous discussion on this she is um from the runaways which is a team from the comics they did a tv show version of them as well they cross over with young avengers and uh in the comics and they crossed over with cloak and dagger

[00:35:54] in the tv world so anyway um just it's uh i find it i don't know an interesting like oh i i don't know how much to say about her backstory now because they haven't given us much no just glimpses yeah and there seems to be differences but it is also she's with a foster family and they don't explain why she's with a foster family right um she has this pendant that does things and the pendant so in the comics

[00:36:23] and in the tv show and stuff she has a staff that's her magical thing and so it seems like the pendant is a replacement for the staff but we don't yet know how it works or anything we just got a tease at the very end of the season that she her either her mom is in there or she thinks her mom is in there um and that it helps her in certain situations like at one point she's drag racing and she has like

[00:36:49] magically good drag racing powder powers because the uh pendant kind of like sparkles yeah i don't know what are your thoughts on niko monaru i i like i liked her dynamic with peter um i like this this aspect of her um i thought she was you know she was not one-dimensional you know you know they fleshed out these characters you know they showed different sides

[00:37:17] of everyone really so and how those different sides you know interacted with peter so i thought she was a great addition um to this circle of trust for peter parker and yeah i'm really interested to see what type of power set and how they play off her magical abilities and and what does that mean does she become a a student of dr strange of dr is dr strange aware

[00:37:47] of of her um magical abilities will he become aware of that um so yeah i'm i'm definitely ready to see more of niko yeah yeah but i think she was well used this season because she was you know she is peter's best friend she is the man in the chair so to speak although we'll we'll talk about terry in a minute um but she had her own you know her story this season was mostly about peter but she

[00:38:16] did have her own arc within that in terms of learning to trust him even though he was lying to her about his identity uh for reasons she eventually understood um but yeah they still gave us teases in the background that like we're getting more you know where there's clearly something going on with that pendant there's clearly something going on with her family um yeah i i think they set that

[00:38:39] up nicely so that we can delve deeper next season right now and i actually this is a new character for me um the next one is pearl pangan and she is she's filipino she's a childhood babysitter crush of peter parker and apparently this she does she's a more recent comic book character so i'm not really familiar with her um but she was a fun addition and so just to set it up at the beginning we'll talk

[00:39:07] more about lonnie later but she has a boyfriend at the beginning called lonnie what did you think of pearl um i i i wasn't sure where she fit into the the scheme of things um in the beginning and yeah she was fine she's not my favorite character in the in the series i thought um you know they want

[00:39:36] to give peter obviously a love interest and things like that to play off on and you know make things awkward in high school so but i wasn't sure how like how much are they the same age are they is she significantly older she was the babysitter but they're in the same class you know there were there were things that i that i questioned when watching um their relationship on screen well i thought because i also assumed that lonnie was older than him i just thought that peter was

[00:40:06] like in a more advanced science class because he's science guy because he's that was my assumption yeah um but yeah i think i feel like she was the one she grew on me as the season went on and i liked how i would say that too i agree with that yeah and nico had a crush on her as along with peter at the beginning so they were kind of like ribbing each other about her but then it seemed like she and nico were actually going to start having a friendship by the end um but it does feel like

[00:40:31] out of all the characters she's the one that was most a plot device so far yeah yeah that's great that's i was searching for that word and you hit it so thank you that yeah i am curious to see because i know she does get superpowers in the comics uh so she's called wave in the comics so that's obviously something that's coming i guess you know you in one season of television you can't like flesh out everyone but she was the one that was most flat and just kind of there for

[00:41:01] peter to fawn over or to like be like lonnie what's going on with you lonnie yeah uh-huh um but yeah then peter he's he's got this triple act of balancing school balancing he's know that he's got his spider powers he's taken up superheroing before and after school and uh his internship at oscorp and so we

[00:41:24] talked about norman osborne played by coleman domingo um and norman obviously head of oscorp osborne oscorp and his son is kind of like the pampered prince of this empire harry osborne and so we meet harry peter saves him on the street and then they end up becoming besties and harry finds

[00:41:47] out who he is and harry calls himself peter's dude at the desk so what did you think of harry osborne um if you didn't like dr strange mustache i didn't like harry's hair okay okay i didn't like his hairstyle that's my only that's my only quibble i hated his hairstyle okay i thought he was a very

[00:42:09] cool addition um i like that you know he's super rich pampered and again there's a lot more depth to him than that you know and i think they showed that the relationship between him and his father is a little strange there's a little tense and he's also looking for what peter's looking for

[00:42:34] acceptance in some ways right um and it looks like they're forming a good team which harry doesn't seem like he had that before right yeah yeah he doesn't seem like he knows how to be a good friend at first no no at all yeah and um he's learning and i like that aspect of the character i i i like the dynamic

[00:42:58] that the three of them have actually nico harry and peter yeah so i want to get into that but just real quick question you didn't like harry's hair did you like norman's hair yes i did because i was kept thinking i want to see coleman domingo in live action with that hairstyle that would be awesome that would be cool that would be cool as fuck though and then the suits and yeah yeah yes

[00:43:21] um but yeah so harry and nico uh they just seem like because nico starts she's like oscorp is the worst or the evil empire you know and then here's the prince of the evil empire and um and so peter wants them to get along because he's like you're both my best friends so the by the transitive property of best friendship you must be each other's best friends and it's it's not

[00:43:45] going it's like got fits and starts like at one point oh this was harry harry at one point he sees nico has tarot cards and he's like oh yeah i'm really into that uh stuff and so he's like can i get a reading you know and she gives him one and then he is just being so disrespectful and he's like well i just like it as an accessory i'm like harry that was the one time i really wanted to slap him

[00:44:12] but then right after that he spills peter's secret because she's like uh i know everything he's like everything you don't know everything um so yeah i i and then that drag race we referred to earlier is kind of where they start coming back together so i really like where this where the two of them ended like we haven't seen them yet together as the trio and whether there are new weird dynamics

[00:44:37] because uh obviously i was to say tom obviously peter and nico were fighting uh so yeah they made up but how is this like new threes i'm gonna be but i am looking forward to seeing the three of them together next season yeah and i think it's it's you know it's good storytelling because for me you know having them try to figure out their relationship without peter makes sense yeah

[00:45:05] exactly it just makes sense more balanced yeah yeah reminds me of something else from the wheel of time sorry i'm stuck in that man man wow those first three episodes what jeez louise they threw everything oh yeah it's intense it's an intense start to season three for anyone who hasn't watched

[00:45:29] the wheel of time season three yet and i say i say man and jeez louise like with all the good intentions when i'm talking about wheel of time yeah yeah yeah amazing right out of the gate this season amazing yeah um so okay so his internship oscorp he's got three other uh interns he's working with one is asha of wakanda i have the least to say about her but uh it's fun there's a wakandan there

[00:45:59] i don't know is she a character in the comics or is she made up for this i don't know i don't know she's just there to bring the wakandan angle and there were times that she didn't sound you know from the african continent you know like she sounded almost like you know from she's been living in the u.s her accent comes yeah yeah it was just weird yeah i don't know she's code switching i don't know

[00:46:24] that ain't code switching i don't know okay no it just sounded weird like at times she would have this you know really pronounced you know wakandan accent and then i'm like are you from the motherland like what's happening here yeah i don't think you're from the motherland i think you're out what's going on

[00:46:50] um we also got gene focal who at the end of the season we find out is also a superhero named finesse and she's working with daredevil i was surprised by that yes i was i was thrown by that i did not see that coming um yeah that was we saw he sneaking around in the building once but then i kind of forgot about it and then yeah that's how that's how he's getting the intel uh-huh exactly how did he get in

[00:47:15] the intel so yeah yeah yeah and uh then the other one is the biggest name for comic book nerds amadeus cho um so he's the only one at who stays with oscorp at the end and i just thought like they drew him really well and i looked up the actor who played like everyone i was just out of curiosity i was wondering who could play them in live action and this is one of the ones that

[00:47:40] definitely works in live action because he's got that perfectly smug smile that just like turns up at the corners of the mouth where you just like want to punch him and kiss him you know he's i think yeah uh how much do we want to say about cho um he's you know in in the comics he's one of the top five smartest people in the in the marvel and marvel comics right so i'm interested to see if he's

[00:48:09] there for the reasons he states that he's there for is there something else going on with amadeus right well you mean does he want more for himself than just a job at oscorp is he working for something other than this internship yeah and i also i mean i think i can say that uh he's going to be working

[00:48:33] with technology that has gamma radiation exactly and he becomes i mean i can say it right he becomes yeah we we said spoilers yeah he becomes a hulk yeah in the comics so yeah yeah but what did you think of him as a character in this season i liked it i thought it was well done because in some comics amadeus is an asshole yeah because he's so smart right yeah i mean you can be smart without being a

[00:49:01] pompous prick but not him no i know but this guy yeah he's been written that way yeah yeah so i totally bought into it so i'm like yeah this makes sense yeah no he's he's like smug in an amusing way but also like oh i just want to hit you a little bit exactly exactly and so they all have their supervisors and then like the and but the two supervisors that really matter is bentley whitman he oversees the

[00:49:29] intern program and very unwillingly he and we know he's eventually going to become a visit a villain called the wizard right um and carla connors is peter's advisor she's much cooler much more likable and uh she they were working on an energy product project making this magnetic engine um and i guess we should say she is missing part of

[00:49:56] one arm yes yes and we saw an iguana go by at one point exactly so oh a lot of lizard tendencies here a lot of lizard vibes a lot of lizard vibes yeah so i have a feeling that that's where she's going which is another one where she seems great but then i mean but i guess it is always the case that the lizard in his human form he's just he's a you know he's not a bad person he's a scientist who's

[00:50:25] trying to you know make things happen for people who are suffering so dr connors doesn't start off like like a megalomaniac like trying to take over the world he's just trying to heal people right yeah so but i have a feeling we're getting that origin story with carla connors i agree i agree and yeah it turns out that all the student projects were designed to work together to create that portal

[00:50:52] that we talked about so dastardly and so at the end of the season harry osborne says like peter's or no nico actually says you know you could start your own company and and he's like oh i could start my own company and he starts the worldwide engineering brigade or web and he invites all of the interns amadeus cho says no and he also invites lonnie uh because lonnie was a super smart dude before all

[00:51:22] this other stuff that we're going to talk about um but yeah i think that that's i think i'm excited to see this group together you know just the the youngins together in this web uh configuration and against amadeus um but i did wonder as soon as he's like oh i can just start my own business and like daddy not gonna like this um you never know you never know maybe he will like it maybe he will

[00:51:50] want his son to you know take more risk and more ownership over his life okay all right he's not the green goblin yet he's not the green goblin yet this is true this is true so he hasn't taken the serum yet so let's i'm gonna hold off yeah he's once he takes the serum then all bets off but then i'm also

[00:52:14] always looking like what's gonna push him over the edge i think it's gonna be the the symbiote yeah you think the symbiote you think the symbiote could attach to him it's possible but i think more likely is that the symbiote attaches to someone else and he takes the he takes what they've been working on with peter's blood in order to try to be the superhero that he believes that the world

[00:52:42] deserves and once he does that that's what fractures his mind okay all right i could see that i could see that all right well speaking of lonnie so lonnie aka tombstone he ends up um his his brother andre his little brother ends up getting himself involved in this 110th street gang and uh lonnie says like no

[00:53:08] i'm not letting you do this so he takes their place in the gang and big donovan the leader in order to really lock lonnie in he says he's like go get me this food order over there and you know say my name real loud and so lonnie gets threatened by another gang called the scorpions and so when he comes back to big donovan with the food and he says like hey these scorpion people were

[00:53:33] after me and uh big donovan's like yeah good now they know you're one of us you have to stay with us if you want your family to be safe damn big donovan yeah it sucks so messed up man yeah so messed up but that's how the hood gets you that's how the hood gets you they say you'll be safe with us and before you know it you're running around you know shooting and and doing all things types of things

[00:53:59] that you never thought you'd be doing yeah so i thought that was very well done showed how big donovan praise on on young people and um impressionable people people who are you know in not great situations and how it's so you can be so easily maneuvered into becoming something that you

[00:54:23] didn't start off as um nonnie quite nonnie honestly is my favorite character in the series okay because of the series are coming in no no because of the series okay because of the series i i just love how they portrayed him um he wasn't a dumb jock you know he was smart he surprised peter

[00:54:50] right right and you know i have so many people that i've met have been underestimated because of the way that they look right and it was nice to have that shown right um he was just uh really i think he possibly is the most fleshed out character in the series for me um okay because he had this trajectory

[00:55:18] of where you thought he was going and how it veered off and how it ended when i tell you he was crushed he was like he said papa he threw away the jacket he's gonna now he's gonna do the the bad things all the time i'm like yeah yes i'm like yeah and he was so he was like that's not right why would he do

[00:55:46] that why would he do that and i'm just like you know we had a conversation about it and about you know the false sense of a family of pride that you get with sometimes doing things that are not good right and um it was amazing to watch an eight-year-old mind throughout the season see from where lonnie started and watch the progression

[00:56:14] to where it ended at the end of the season to have that like oh wow why is he doing this oh no why they made him do this you know it went from they're making him do something to now why is he doing it and that was such a a wonderful you know like a very telling and poignant moment for me

[00:56:40] when he made those connections and that's this is part of why i really love this series is because sharing it with e was just like wow you know this really hit him and made him ask questions that he hasn't asked before because he's not in that type of situation you know what i mean so yeah

[00:57:07] yeah i mean that's the best thing a series like this can do is generate conversation at home like that yeah yeah so i'm very appreciative of this of this series for pushing those boundaries um because they could have played it safe they could have made lonnie a dumb jock you know what i mean and uh a kid who was bullying others and stuff like that but they didn't and he started off in one place that was very hopeful and it ended in a place where you're very scared for him

[00:57:36] of what he's becoming yeah yeah because i mean it started with you know he was like the big football hero at school but still a nice guy and a smart guy who you know was in also into school um but then he had to give up on the football thing because he was pressured to be in this gang but then i think he started to find that same camaraderie in the gang and that same sense of pride that he used to have

[00:58:04] in football so then he at that point he's completely 100 one of them because that's now where he's getting all of that feelings of fulfillment from yes yes yeah uh and we also see at the end of the season we get so his his he's given the name tombstone because he like bodies someone or something but uh we start to see his superhero origin at the end of this season where he's exposed to a

[00:58:31] mysterious gas as per usual from marvel and um we start to see so then he's like becomes super strong and it seems like kind of impervious and um but then we start to see that his hands have some chalky elements like his skin is starting to turn like this chalky white color yeah in the comics he's albino

[00:58:52] so i guess this is how they're making that shift it's tied to his powers yeah yeah yeah um so yeah there was the whole gang but i guess the only really important big donovan uh bulldozer was another one but it was funny there was a what was it one of the characters comes in at one point and he says uh i guess it was chameleon and he's like hey big donovan and lonnie and no one else bulldozer is like what

[00:59:24] but it's true i'm not gonna learn all the names in that gang but that was funny that was yeah that was funny um so yeah so speaking of we had a a bunch of different russian characters who i guess they were all working together yeah but then i assume that they were yeah so i just mentioned chameleon who's dmitry smertikov um there was also and so he yeah we see him in the

[00:59:52] beginning but then by the end he's wearing this sort of like man in the iron mask kind of yes mask situation yeah uh we have mila masovic who is also aka unicorn and she we see her with like all these people have different types of tech and she has a tech that's shooting like lasers from her forehead like a unicorn um rox roxana volkov is a new character who shows up and then we have mikhail

[01:00:21] sistovich who is yeah he's definitely going to become rhino yes but like a tech rhino it seems yeah yeah i'm okay with that yeah i'm okay with that um we see them working together but then also at one point so they end up in jail and then some of them end up in jail and so then they're trying to

[01:00:41] help them um escape prison and but then peter he actually nearly he actually he saves like because mila is going to get one of her own killed because he was used she was using him as bait for peter and then peter saves that guy from getting killed so then when mila tries to kill peter um mikhail

[01:01:07] the rhino guy he steps in and says no don't kill him but then peter says like okay well thanks for not killing me but you're going back to jail and then mikhail's like oh i swear revenge on you peter parka so we're getting rhino motivations there and then we have yeah so there's the those people all had this tech with this infinity logo on it but

[01:01:33] we see other people we saw butane and arsonist who has a high-tech flamethrower and was told to burn down a building but burns down the wrong one dumbass yeah oh gosh uh we had also a couple um james sanders and maria vazquez aka speed demon and tarantula they also had tech and um and of course the scorpion gang had this tech too including most especially scorpion who has like the whole suit

[01:02:01] with the big stinging tail i was like keep i was just cut off that tail cut off that tail let me tell you one of the when i tell you when he stabbed peter i heard such a scream next to me and an immediate walkout yeah like an immediate walkout like

[01:02:27] tears and stomping out of the room oh no this cannot be no this cannot be he was so mad so mad he was so upset that that happened and you know we talked about it and things of that nature but you know he was just like how could he stab him he was just kept saying it how could he stab him how

[01:02:56] could he stab him and he was so affected by that in a way that you know he's seen other things you know he has seen other things he's played video games um not violent video games i'm talking about like legos and stuff like that and we've watched some other marvel um fair but i think it's because

[01:03:17] of maybe how young the characters were that it affected e in that way you know what i mean like yeah they weren't older people who have been fighting aliens you know this was really personal

[01:03:41] and he felt he felt that how personal that it was that it affected him in such a way that's that's you know that's good stuff right there yeah yeah um so the scorpions mac gargan and then also the second in the gang is carmilla black who's a future scorpion so i think this scorpion's gonna go but um that first fight i mean i think yeah he's gonna be i think he's gonna be killed at some point and

[01:04:09] replace with carmilla okay okay um especially they showed her a lot this season so i i say it could even happen next season they did uh or he he's in jail and so she takes up the mantle or something but i thought the the thing fused on him it is fused to him yeah so she needs a new she needs a new thing if she's gonna do that yeah yeah yeah but that that uh fight that peter loses he

[01:04:34] lost it hard um and that was like really i felt that too even as an adult that was no joke yeah he got his ass kicked that was no joke and he only got out of there because norman sent a glider to rescue him like yay glider rescue oh no glider oh no norman osborne's making a glider this is the beginning of the end which if anyone doesn't know the green goblin rides around in a glider so we see

[01:05:04] him like yeah he's definitely gonna be riding it next season somehow probably in a good way at first but then it's not gonna be so good yeah um and then lonnie this is so we know there's gonna be some sort of complexity in their friendship because we'll we'll talk about this final scene in a minute but lonnie stops peter from killing like lonnie is the one you know peter comes in fighting lonnie's gang

[01:05:29] and then lonnie is the one like dude don't become what you don't want to be so that gives us hope for lonnie but also yeah i'm worried about lonnie yeah no i don't have hope for lonnie hmm i think lonnie gone all right let's i think lonnie gone lonnie gone let's take a quick pause here we're gonna come back and

[01:05:49] pick up with that thought just sick all right so you said you think lonnie's gone um yes i mean

[01:06:16] i did wonder like do you think that this was the first and the last time that they're fighting side by side peter and lonnie no i don't think they'll fight side by side again yes i do i do think that but i think that the lonnie that we i've come that we've come to know and root for i think that lonnie is gone

[01:06:42] and i think it's going to play out you know in steps where finally he's just like you know f this you're messing up with with what i'm trying to what i got going on peter i can't let you do that no more yeah i i do like that the the nuance and layers that they show so for instance what happens that

[01:07:07] leads to them fighting side by side is that so um norman visits octavius in prison because again thaddeus ross with ironman's help uh arrested auto octavius and doc ock and we start we see him designing his arms to go on his back um and so norman's like oh by the way all of your technology your gamma radiation infinity technology it all belongs to me now and so we're going to transfer

[01:07:33] it all to my new building and um monnie's gang the 110th street gang they hear about this transfer and they're like we're going to hijack the truck and take this technology for ourselves so that we have an advantage over the scorpions so peter shows up to stop this hijacking having no idea that lonnie will be there and then being completely surprised by that and then the scorpion gang jumps in so then suddenly peter and lonnie are fighting he's peter's fighting alongside members of

[01:08:02] the gang that he was just fighting against in order to fight against the worst threat in the other gang right so i like that it leaves a lot of i think in this world we might see a lot of um teaming up like that where people are like well i'm i don't like what you're doing but what that other person's doing is worse so let's go get them together right right i can see that i can see that and i can see

[01:08:26] like you said lonnie and peter teaming up especially now that lonnie has powers i definitely could see them teaming up but i just think that his criminal activities will slowly and surely start to become the main thing for him yeah i mean yeah the comic books tell us right so um yeah uh i mean i i hate to see

[01:08:51] it i hope i mean i know me too me too i think this show will keep there even though we'll see him drift down the darker and darker path i think we will continually this is a character we'll see do the right thing in key moments because he's the one who stopped peter and says i think some at some point peter might return the favor where he's like lonnie is this who you want to be do you want to kill this person and maybe lonnie that's a breaking point where lonnie says

[01:09:18] i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do the bad thing oh yeah you're so hopeful such an optimist i mean spider-man canon allows no optimism exactly which is why i don't understand this optimism from you now i i don't know i think yeah that they this show is established that they will approach all these

[01:09:44] characters as nuance even when they turn bad yeah i'm interested to see how lonnie does going forward very much like i said this is my favorite character show so i'm really invested and the fact that he's going to join this web team that harry osborne setting up gives me hope that that's going to tether him to the right side of things quote unquote for longer okay that's going to be because you know

[01:10:09] he's lost the football team and and he's no longer you know this star at school that he used to be so maybe he's a star on the streets though that's that's what i'm saying but he can be a star at the science at the science uh crew if he's like doing well there and he feels a kinship there then maybe that could keep him on the straight and narrow longer okay so speaking of so okay so we're going

[01:10:33] to have the web crew doing their superhero stuff probably like a glorified spider-man support team i don't blame amadeus joe for not wanting to be part of that that's not his ego would not allow it um but then we have so amadeus joe he stayed at oscor and so we're probably going to see him working more closely with norman do you think he could end up replacing peter as norman osborne's protege

[01:11:02] no no because no in in the way that amadeus sees he's no one's protege it wouldn't work yeah amadeus walks into the room he walks into the room and he immediately thinks he's the smartest person in the room for sure for sure how i just don't see that dynamic

[01:11:27] working with norman hmm so it could end up being a volatile relationship yes um yeah and so okay so norman we know he's working with has some secret projects going on with some of the oscor scientists including whitman who's the one that we think is going to become a character called wizard the grumpy head of the intern program and um one of the secret projects as we already referred to was

[01:11:54] definitely trying to study and replicate spider-man superpowers with the spiders they inject with peter's blood yes so green goblin serum incoming hmm so explain the green goblin serum for anyone who doesn't know oh this is what gives norman osborne powers like makes them super strong and makes them super

[01:12:17] agile he keeps his you know intelligence but it's uh it breaks him like it's it's like a someone else is living inside his his his mind like almost like a hulk bruce banner type of dynamic but this alternate personality this is a psychopath yeah yeah yeah it's all the worst think of dr jekyll

[01:12:47] mr hyde that's basically who norman osborne and the green goblin are yeah yeah and then um otto we already see he doesn't seem like a nice guy already so i like that some of them sometimes they're like no he's not a nice guy who had something bad happen to him he's just like a dick scientist who wants fame and fortune

[01:13:12] um so we already talked about his tech but if they were setting up the sinister six who do you think would be on the sinister six in this version i don't know i don't know because outside of of scorpion um rhino we have t's yeah we have rhino we have scorpion

[01:13:38] um of course we have um um oh connor's is lizard who's sandman i don't know we haven't seen maybe a sandman would have to be a new character i don't think we've seen we haven't seen that we haven't seen electro no but i mean they might just do a different configuration with like right

[01:14:02] rhino obviously yeah um but i can see i can see those those characters getting together definitely you know between a rhino scorpion um to try to take down spider-man i can see that happen yeah who are there any characters that you hope will be introduced next season no no

[01:14:29] none i'm not speculating okay i'm not speculating it's not it's not out of not wanting to see someone i just want to see where they take the story okay you know what i mean i want to see where they take the story because i had no expectation going into this season mm-hmm i really didn't i didn't read up about the about the season i didn't you know i had really zero knowledge other than it's going to be

[01:14:58] year one type of spider-man mm-hmm and i want to keep that same veil over my eyes for season two because i was so pleasantly surprised okay that i want to keep i i i don't want to set up an expectation for something and it's not there and i'm like damn you know no yeah fair fair fair

[01:15:22] who are you looking forward to seeing um well i know for a fact that we are getting uh gwen stacy in season two so i'm looking forward to that that that will be interesting to see because i also i'm not like i did not buy into this whole him him crushing on pearl thing i'm like that's i'm not yeah it feels weird yeah maybe because she was his babysitter also and also just like the lani of it

[01:15:47] all i'm like no just no i'm not buying into that so i would rather see someone like gwen stacy for him um i i would love for them to pull in more of the runaways stuff i mean i don't know that they want to or should do that much with that in this show because that's like a whole other story but they brought nika

[01:16:17] no she's um her parents so she thinks her mom's in the amulet but she her mom was kind of like evil in canon in a way yeah although she no no no there's redemption but yeah yeah yeah totally sacrificing children evil that's what the runaways were they they were a group of kids that found out that their

[01:16:36] parents were all villains sacrificing people in the basement yeah that's what their parents were doing yeah yeah so yeah they were yeah out and out eat villains so their kids all kind of like ran away together hence the name and started their own superhero group yeah yeah so i don't know like

[01:17:03] how much can or will they pull in from that will they pull in other runaways characters from that i don't know that would be interesting did you that would be interesting so i'll say that uh nico is canonically bisexual so she definitely was crushing on pearl but did you also get some vibes with her and harry at the end i did yes i wouldn't hate that but more but more on harry's end than nico's

[01:17:28] okay could be could be um yeah no i wouldn't hate that uh i pearl yeah i want more from pearl i honestly would rather see her with nico than than uh peter lonnie or peter yeah yeah i mean lonnie i guess it's over as soon as like a the girlfriend character becomes the no what are you doing tell me things i'm like

[01:17:49] uh end it end it walk away i'm curious about this i i don't know i might have to like go read a wave comic about uh pearl's yeah i don't know much about her i don't know no i'm curious uh so yeah apparently she she has like water powers she's like a waterbender to put it in avatar terms that's hilarious

[01:18:17] did did they say was she a swimmer in this no she should be feels like she needed more of her own story so i'm looking forward to that yeah yeah um they definitely made a point that she's filipino as she is in the comic so anyway so yeah i'm looking forward to that i mean i loved how they brought in oh i heard a rumor somewhere that maybe ned will show up which i wonder so ned is the bestie in mcu but

[01:18:45] in the comics he becomes hobgoblin so i wonder if that will play a role um i would love just like even random like bring in ghost rider bring in mysterio bring you know yeah it's animation you can do it all ghost rider yeah i had ghost rider to everything it's like chocolate everything's better with a ghost rider in it

[01:19:17] well okay any final thoughts on season one and uh or your hopes for season two no um just i recommend it for folks to to watch um if you have a small person who's into you know superhero things i think this would be cool to watch with that small person um yeah and if you don't have a small person i think

[01:19:44] it's a cool watch for you as well it was really well done um he or not all peter parkers are the same and this is definitely not the peter parker from the mcu um i'm appreciative of that and i want to see where the story goes yeah yeah yeah and i would love to see a crossover with the spiderverse that would be that would be awesome yeah yeah that would be a lot of fun and if you didn't think

[01:20:10] there was enough daredevil don't worry because the daredevil has his whole own show going on right now so you and i we dropped episodes uh for um episodes one and two of daredevil born again dropped together so we did a combo episode for those uh we did episode three because we just felt like that needed a little extra attention that episode yeah um so those are already out and then

[01:20:38] next up we're gonna do the last six episodes in groups of two so four and five together will be the next one up so uh we we got a great daredevil email in that i'll be sharing in our next one but yeah basically uh so someone saying to us that they were not as getting us into this season and we helped them appreciate it more yeah that was so wonderful to read and very thankful that

[01:21:07] folks um feel that way about what we do so yeah so yeah check out daredevil listen to our coverage on it uh i yeah i really enjoyed well enjoyed is a weird word but the last episode for coverage of episode three was uh it was really good it was really good show it's a really good show yeah yeah uh so yeah that's coming your way soon wheel of time full swing like i said uh there are season

[01:21:36] passes set up because so john and i are doing weekly coverage of wheel of time you know they just dropped three episodes at once so we there's a whole you just got three episodes uh in the lore hounds feed for that but then it's going to be one episode a week going forward and we have extra lore casts and um a show guide and all the wheel of time coverage to date ad free for the season pass of

[01:21:59] course subscribers already get all that stuff and also get uh other extra episodes like 11z's or extra movie review club had its first ever tie so i mean these third parties man they're ruining everything you're saying the third movie that took two votes yes yes yes didn't let zoolander win didn't let my zoolander pick win this is ridiculous i think yeah so i think we're gonna find a way to

[01:22:28] cover both so the two winners are zoolander and scott pilgrim versus the world so i think we're gonna find a way to cover them together um but if you're interested in all that stuff you can find it in the show notes and in addition to all of the affiliates like radioactive ramblings which is covering invincible that just wrapped up its uh season and i have i'm behind on that one but i know

[01:22:51] people found it a banger season man it was i just finished um last night the season finale of invincible and just wow and as the comic reader who's read the comic multiple times from issue one to 149 wow i'm just like man that is

[01:23:16] whoo yeah i have to catch up because i mean i the first two seasons i went around saying like this is some of the best writing on television so i'm very excited about season three i think you won't be disappointed i would be shocked if you were disappointed yeah in other words we have been getting ahead on wheel of time uh and stuff and yeah no there's time for invincible in my life um we'll shift dust we are starting our dune coverage with the original book breakdown and

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[01:24:07] covering and john i saw you just uh dropped your latest comic rex yeah yeah for my bows this week um just check it out on the discord comics versus and just uh namor and i'm not pronouncing it the mcu way because he's not the mcu character so namor just um i really one of my all-time favorite characters

[01:24:33] quite honestly and over the last few years they've done a piss poor job with him in my opinion and this was a welcome um series to try to write the ship um with the character and i'm hopeful that um we get some really good stories for namor in the coming in the future but this was just a great new beginning for for him cool i'm excited oh and i did start so i have marvel unlimited so it means we get all

[01:25:03] of the oh yes uh a few months late uh so i started the you were talking about the tva comic uh yes continuation of loki yeah i only have one issue so far but so i've read the first issue yes how did you like it yeah i mean it seems it was a it does feel like a definite like a continuation directly of the tv show um so i'm very curious to see because this is just the first issue so i know it's just

[01:25:29] setting it up but i think it's a four issue five okay okay i think issue five is coming out next and issue four is the one that uh most cars up in yeah that's most yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all right well yeah that's it's gonna trickle out to me but now i'm following it so i'll get another yeah all right shall we do the reading of the names yes so i've got from the rhythmic folder this time

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