EIII: ep 6 – The Acolyte S1-e2 – "Revenge / Justice"

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Star Wars Canon Timeline Podcast and the Lorhound Star Wars

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[00:02:26] 2024. And John, we have to before we get into the episode, we have to

[00:02:32] we have to address one controversy from the first episode that is blowing up

[00:02:37] Twitter, which is we talked about the fact that OSHA was startled by a

[00:02:41] fire in space, but we just ignored the fire and space part.

[00:02:46] Oh, stop yourself, Twitter. This is Star Wars. Get over it.

[00:02:51] There's been explosions and loud nonsense in space where that's

[00:02:55] impossible forever. There's hyperspace. Just stop yourself.

[00:03:00] Yeah, I just have to say for this podcast in general, anyone who hasn't

[00:03:03] listened to the Young Jedi Adventures episode, I went through a theory

[00:03:08] posited by someone on Reddit that there is air in Star Wars space.

[00:03:12] They provided ample evidence and they convinced me and I'm just not

[00:03:17] going to worry about it anymore. Not that I did in the first place,

[00:03:20] but I'm just going to ignore sounds and fires and other weirdness

[00:03:24] in Star Wars space because it's it's a fantasy.

[00:03:27] Yeah, it is it is space fantasy.

[00:03:31] We'll get let's get into episode two of this space fantasy or should we say

[00:03:35] Space Mystery? We set up the show and gave our spoiler free hot takes

[00:03:39] and our breakdown of episode one.

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[00:03:46] for any Star Wars event up to this point in the timeline 132 BBY.

[00:03:51] So episode two is titled Revenge

[00:03:54] slash Justice and the writers were Jason Mikalov and Charmaine de Gratay.

[00:04:00] I'm more familiar with de Gratay's work.

[00:04:03] She's a hot lower summer crossover.

[00:04:05] She is the, I guess it seems like main writer on season one of House of the Dragon.

[00:04:10] Oh, interesting.

[00:04:12] I mean, that's prestigious.

[00:04:14] Hey, Star Wars is also prestigious.

[00:04:17] I know, I know.

[00:04:18] But but see, here's the thing.

[00:04:20] House of the Dragon is known for its writing, particularly.

[00:04:24] And I don't I don't think Star Wars has ever, including in the original trilogy,

[00:04:29] been known for its high quality dialogue and whatnot.

[00:04:33] Right. I actually think I mean, people were complaining about

[00:04:36] stiltedness and the dialogue of this show.

[00:04:37] But I think that a lot of those were bad faith complaints.

[00:04:41] I think the dialogue in this show is better than 77.

[00:04:44] And I think most modern Star Wars has better dialogue

[00:04:48] than the original Star Wars movie.

[00:04:50] George Lucas was notably terrible at writing dialogue.

[00:04:54] His wife had to tell him, like, you got to change this, George.

[00:04:57] Right. And yeah, I mean, Harrison Ford said, you can you can write this

[00:05:02] bleep, but you can't say it.

[00:05:04] Yeah. Well, it's also to bring up something more accurate.

[00:05:07] We won't spoil plot points because it's later in the timeline.

[00:05:10] But a Soka that's bothered you more than me.

[00:05:13] But I think the dialogue is better in this than a Soka even.

[00:05:16] And that was just last year.

[00:05:19] Yeah, yeah, I would say so.

[00:05:20] And obviously different teams.

[00:05:22] But yeah, I mean, I think if you have a hot D writer,

[00:05:27] we're in a good spot for dialogue.

[00:05:28] There's hot D.

[00:05:29] I mean, the whole game of the Runes Universe, Song of Ice and Fire

[00:05:32] is known for having those really impactful lines, the one liners.

[00:05:38] And I think this.

[00:05:40] This was having some of that, at least.

[00:05:43] Right. And not that you necessarily need to do that in Star Wars.

[00:05:47] I don't think that Star Wars is really, but.

[00:05:50] I mean, there are lines that live on and I think this show could produce some of them.

[00:05:55] Well, I've got a bad feeling about that.

[00:05:57] But it's yeah, I mean, I mean, I think that this is a universe,

[00:06:02] not a genre, and it's OK to have different tones for different shows.

[00:06:06] Right. I agree.

[00:06:08] And yeah, the director of this episode was again, Leslie Headland, the showrunner.

[00:06:13] So jumping into the plot summary, we start with the sleeping sensei.

[00:06:19] So with the help of another local child, May disarms a guard droid

[00:06:23] and sneaks into the Jedi outpost on the planet of Olegah,

[00:06:26] where she finds a Jedi master named Torben, played by Dean Charles Chapman,

[00:06:31] floating in midair meditation 10 years into a garage vow

[00:06:35] that he has taken to the extreme.

[00:06:37] May issues the same challenge she gave Indara, to which he,

[00:06:40] of course, doesn't respond and then tries to attack him,

[00:06:43] but is prevented by a powerful force bubble protecting him.

[00:06:46] When another Jedi enters the room to check on a noise she gives up for the moment.

[00:06:52] So we've got another new planet, Olegah, Jedi outpost.

[00:06:56] Just a reminder that at this point in the timeline,

[00:06:58] Jedi do still have satellite temples, but they've long since pulled out

[00:07:02] of the outer rim, which is where young Jedi adventures was set.

[00:07:07] How long ago was young Jedi adventures before this?

[00:07:09] A hundred years before this.

[00:07:10] OK, all right. So they're done.

[00:07:12] They're done as it was the kids say.

[00:07:15] Did you know that Torben is

[00:07:19] Tommen from Game of Thrones?

[00:07:22] Well, I mean, we'll talk about trailers later, but I did see him in the trailer.

[00:07:27] So, yes, I was like, what?

[00:07:31] With a beard, he was completely unrecognized.

[00:07:33] Yeah, no, I would not have known that that's who that was

[00:07:36] if I hadn't seen him looking differently.

[00:07:40] Hmm. OK, fair enough.

[00:07:42] I'm trying to be respectful of the people who are like,

[00:07:45] I don't know about trailers. Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:48] Anyway, I was just like, wait, what?

[00:07:51] Didn't didn't expect him to be there.

[00:07:53] But I mean, I thought this was such a cool scene how

[00:07:57] he's just chilling.

[00:07:59] He doesn't even blink.

[00:08:00] He doesn't flinch at all.

[00:08:02] It doesn't look like he's struggling to fight her back.

[00:08:04] He's just like, I am safe within the force.

[00:08:06] And that's super cool.

[00:08:08] That feels very Jedi to me.

[00:08:10] That feels very much in line with those teachings is I don't need to fight.

[00:08:14] You can't hurt me. Right. Exactly.

[00:08:16] Yeah, I think that actually now that you bring it up,

[00:08:20] that is sort of what the Sith or sorry, don't mean to assume Sith,

[00:08:24] what the person in the smiling mask is saying

[00:08:28] is there they're basically saying you have to break through this bubble

[00:08:32] what they think they're protected by or the Sith way is to somehow

[00:08:36] creep from within it, you know, and destroy it from the inside.

[00:08:41] Right.

[00:08:42] What did you think of the the production design?

[00:08:44] I loved that Oleg had this sort of I

[00:08:47] noticed there's a lot of Art Deco influences in the High Republic

[00:08:50] architecture and I saw that here.

[00:08:52] This was like an industrial Art Deco setting.

[00:08:56] Yeah, I mean, something that was

[00:08:59] sticking out to me throughout this whole couple episodes

[00:09:03] was that the High Republic looks a lot cleaner and higher tech almost

[00:09:07] than the later timeline.

[00:09:10] And it's interesting because I could see why

[00:09:14] much further later, closer to the be closer to the why in the B.

[00:09:19] P. Y. Well, yeah, the original.

[00:09:21] Yeah, I would see why things would have deteriorated by then.

[00:09:25] But it doesn't really make sense to me why things deteriorate.

[00:09:28] Teriorated so much before even the prequels.

[00:09:31] I mean, I guess this is part of what we're going to be seeing now.

[00:09:36] Like we know this is the end of the High Republic.

[00:09:38] So something events happen in the this last

[00:09:43] hundred years of the High Republic that makes it stop being the high

[00:09:46] Republic. So maybe, yeah, it seems

[00:09:50] it might be what we've kind of teased in the previous episode

[00:09:52] that there's a a compla a complacency.

[00:09:56] I can say that word a complacency

[00:09:59] that allows rot to spread, you know, with the people get stuck in bureaucracy.

[00:10:04] Like, well, we can't do this until we file the paperwork and

[00:10:08] people are dying right now, you know. Right.

[00:10:11] Yeah. Yeah. We have to make sure that we go through the appropriate channels.

[00:10:15] Right. And then all the Jedi are just stuck in barrage vows

[00:10:18] and unable to do anything. Right.

[00:10:21] So yeah, about that barrage foul.

[00:10:23] So first of all, cool practical effect.

[00:10:25] I liked how they did it with him like that he his robe was draped.

[00:10:29] So it was hiding whatever was supporting him to be floating in the air like that.

[00:10:35] But yeah, so the barrage foul we talked about that in the High Republic

[00:10:39] overview episode. It doesn't have to mean not speaking to anyone for 10 years

[00:10:44] like he's taken it.

[00:10:46] I had actually assumed going into the series that Kelnaka,

[00:10:49] the Jedi Wookiee had taken a barrage foul because he's described

[00:10:53] in the marketing materials as a loner who lives a solitary life

[00:10:56] sequestered in the jungle.

[00:10:58] But here's how the barrage vow is described in the High Republic Phase

[00:11:04] One Young Adult novel into the dark.

[00:11:07] So this is an excerpt from that novel.

[00:11:09] I can't, Dez said. His voice sounded remote.

[00:11:12] He didn't quite meet Wreath's eyes.

[00:11:14] Tomorrow I'm leaving for one of the contemplation worlds.

[00:11:17] I'm taking the barrage foul.

[00:11:19] The barrage vow was an extreme commitment to gaining ultimate communion

[00:11:23] with the Force, those who took the vow spent years, sometimes even decades

[00:11:27] in deep meditation and in solitude.

[00:11:30] It was the last path Wreath would have ever foreseen for Dez.

[00:11:34] But why, Wreath asked, the barrage vow it's taken by Jedi

[00:11:37] who've made terrible mistakes. You didn't.

[00:11:40] You haven't broken your connection to the Force.

[00:11:43] Hmm.

[00:11:45] Now, now if it's an absolution tactic,

[00:11:50] I guess the question is how bad was what Torban did

[00:11:54] where 10 years isn't enough for him to feel like he had absolution

[00:11:58] and he needed that poison?

[00:12:00] Right, absolutely. I mean, and this was also

[00:12:03] well, we'll get to that.

[00:12:04] But you notice that she gave him the choice, turn yourself in or kill yourself

[00:12:07] and he chose.

[00:12:09] Yeah. Yeah. He didn't want to face justice.

[00:12:12] Oh, hey, that's the name of the episode.

[00:12:14] Yeah.

[00:12:16] So she got her revenge.

[00:12:18] Mm hmm.

[00:12:19] So by the way, yeah, the if people want to know more about the barrage

[00:12:22] vow, it's it's named after Barash Silvain, who there's a blade

[00:12:27] comic series set in phase two.

[00:12:29] So that's the phase you're reading now, John.

[00:12:32] So that's 100 years earlier than what I just described 200 years

[00:12:35] before the acolyte.

[00:12:36] And that's the story of how Barash Silvain

[00:12:41] why she started this vow, which what she did basically,

[00:12:45] although it was originally brought up in the Darth Vader comics,

[00:12:48] which we'll talk about later in the timeline.

[00:12:50] OK.

[00:12:52] So on the other side of things, Team Jedi is gathering on their ship.

[00:12:56] Oshah and Jackie Bond until Saul walks in and Jackie goes back to serious

[00:13:00] Padawan mode and your winds to Saul about Oshah not being restrained

[00:13:05] even says if May's alive, it doesn't mean Oshah is innocent

[00:13:08] and Saul tells him not to let fear cloud his judgment.

[00:13:12] Saul fills for Nestor in on the May of it all via com link.

[00:13:15] And for Nestor tells him about Torban's murder.

[00:13:18] This time, of course, Oshah has an alibi.

[00:13:21] For Nestor asked Saul to go investigate and bring Oshah to help.

[00:13:25] Your objects, but shuts up at Saul's.

[00:13:27] The Jedi agree with me later.

[00:13:29] Saul and Oshah have a heart to heart and Saul shares his guilt

[00:13:32] about not being able to save both twins.

[00:13:35] Oshah expresses her anger at her sister for what happened that night

[00:13:39] for what's happening now.

[00:13:41] And I just say as a silly note before we get into the deeper parts of the scene,

[00:13:46] every time you say, Jackie, I feel like you are

[00:13:49] in the Fred Armisen SNL skit, the California, you say Jackie.

[00:13:54] Yeah, Jackie, what are you doing here?

[00:13:57] I was saying it with like a New Zealand accent.

[00:14:00] Yeah, Jackie.

[00:14:02] You're Omega, Jackie.

[00:14:05] Oh, that's funny. That's good.

[00:14:07] That's good.

[00:14:09] Well, I'll take the name seriously by the end of the season, I guess.

[00:14:13] Yeah, I mean, it's a perfectly Star Warsy name.

[00:14:17] Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely.

[00:14:21] Yeah, just have to point out for the ship lovers that they were this was

[00:14:24] I know this was a big deal online that they revealed for the first time

[00:14:28] before showing it on screen, a new ship, the pollen 717 Jedi transport,

[00:14:33] which apparently it separates into two segments.

[00:14:36] The front of the ship moves forward toward the planet while the rear stays in orbit.

[00:14:40] So this might be a prototype to the hyperspace transport rings

[00:14:45] that we see in the prequel film era.

[00:14:48] Yeah, that's interesting.

[00:14:51] So if anyone knows more, more thoughts, we definitely want to hear from you.

[00:14:57] Yeah, Yord, we have to talk about Yord again,

[00:14:59] because the way he behaves toward Oshia, who was it seems like his former friend,

[00:15:05] the way she treats him at least.

[00:15:06] And he he was it seems like when he first met her again,

[00:15:09] he wanted to be soft toward her and then hardened himself.

[00:15:13] But it's very red flags, all the red flags with Yord.

[00:15:17] Although it is true, she ran before.

[00:15:20] And I'm wondering, do you think like he has a reason to be afraid

[00:15:23] of her from whatever happened around her expulsion?

[00:15:27] Well, what was she definitely expelled or did she voluntarily leave?

[00:15:31] That's true.

[00:15:31] She does say that she left, though others say that it was Indara who

[00:15:37] suggested she leave.

[00:15:41] I wonder if it's both, right?

[00:15:43] Is is they had a heart to heart and Indara is like,

[00:15:47] I don't know if you can't let go of this anchor, maybe this isn't for you.

[00:15:50] And then she goes, yeah, I guess I guess it isn't that she leaves.

[00:15:54] Yeah, I wonder.

[00:15:57] Hmm.

[00:15:58] Maybe maybe she touched the darkness a little bit.

[00:16:01] Hmm. And everyone said, oh, that's not great.

[00:16:04] Although, you know, I don't think that I think the Jedi

[00:16:07] Padawans should be able to.

[00:16:11] You know, accidentally touch the darkness and no, OK, don't go there next time.

[00:16:15] Otherwise, how do you know what to avoid?

[00:16:17] Yeah, I mean, the Star Wars, the Star Wars canon is littered with stories

[00:16:24] of where people are curious about that side.

[00:16:26] And then because of the way they're so harshly treated for just exploring it

[00:16:31] for being curious and ends up pushing them further into it.

[00:16:36] Yeah, and something that's really interesting to me

[00:16:38] and this is something that I read in the Phase Two books

[00:16:42] is that there's all these different

[00:16:44] and I don't know if it's still around by this point in the timeline,

[00:16:47] but all these different

[00:16:50] you know, sex of Jedi basically

[00:16:52] that you can explore on Jeddah.

[00:16:54] Mm hmm, right.

[00:16:55] And it would be I would be surprised if there's not at least one

[00:16:59] that's like, well, we should at least know how the dark side works.

[00:17:03] Right. Yeah.

[00:17:05] I need to know about the current state of Jeddah.

[00:17:07] We know that there is that civil war.

[00:17:11] We know that yeah, there were indeed like all the different

[00:17:14] force sex that we talked about in previous episodes

[00:17:16] in the Ken and Time Lying podcast.

[00:17:19] So we know at least some of them survived

[00:17:21] because years on more than 100 years after this,

[00:17:25] we still have the Guardians of the Wills on Jeddah.

[00:17:29] But Yord it might just be his arrogance,

[00:17:33] his dogmatism, but he says even if May is alive,

[00:17:37] she wouldn't have had the training as if the Jedi are the only people

[00:17:40] who could have possibly trained her.

[00:17:43] Hmm. Like is that your thing?

[00:17:47] Yeah, I'm just like

[00:17:49] I maybe his question is if a Jedi didn't train you and establish Jedi,

[00:17:54] was it Osha? Right.

[00:17:56] Was it Osha who gave her the training?

[00:17:59] But we see I mean, we know as the audience,

[00:18:01] Osha is having trouble even touching the force.

[00:18:04] Right, exactly.

[00:18:06] Yeah. And it just seems like that there would be

[00:18:10] a bunch of different ways that you could learn to use the force.

[00:18:14] At least that used to be the case.

[00:18:15] So either Yord has blinders up,

[00:18:18] which is perfectly possible.

[00:18:19] He seems like that type of character or there's

[00:18:22] all of the other non Jedi sex have diminished in the last century or so.

[00:18:28] Well, that and and they are in deep denial that the Sith exist.

[00:18:33] Right? Like they are no, that's just fully head in the sand.

[00:18:36] Yeah, that's a given.

[00:18:38] Yeah, I and I, you know, their heads in Tatooine,

[00:18:41] their heads are in the sand.

[00:18:43] But yeah, I mean, I think the thing

[00:18:46] that is most surprising to them is that they

[00:18:49] it is that may knew how to fight Jedi,

[00:18:52] not necessarily that she was fighting like a Jedi,

[00:18:54] but she knew how to right get to the Jedi's weaknesses

[00:18:58] to fight against a lightsaber, I guess. Right. Right.

[00:19:02] Yeah, I found it interesting

[00:19:04] that even Vernestra didn't seem to know about May or do you think she did?

[00:19:08] No, I think she knew about who may was.

[00:19:11] She just right that she didn't know that she was alive.

[00:19:13] Right. Right.

[00:19:15] I'm I'm so suspicious of Vernestra right now.

[00:19:18] I know she was a hero earlier in the timeline,

[00:19:21] but I think there's always been an inherent dogmatism in her

[00:19:24] that could be lead her to do

[00:19:28] what she thinks are the right things for the wrong reason.

[00:19:30] Well, come on, no one has ever

[00:19:32] fallen into the darkness and Star Wars.

[00:19:34] Yeah, no, no, that's never happened.

[00:19:39] Oh, wait, I could use I can use an appropriate timeline thing.

[00:19:42] Revan never fell to the dark side.

[00:19:45] That's true.

[00:19:47] More than once.

[00:19:50] I found it interesting that Oshia immediately knew Oleg meant Torban.

[00:19:55] So it seems like whatever happened on her planet as a child,

[00:20:00] it seems like she maintained a relationship with

[00:20:03] those Jedi who were there after her childhood rescue,

[00:20:06] not just Saul, but the others as well.

[00:20:09] Hmm.

[00:20:09] Or at least was aware of their what they were up to.

[00:20:14] Yeah. Yeah, I guess so.

[00:20:16] I mean, I didn't get the sense that she knew him specifically.

[00:20:22] But maybe no, she knew she did say

[00:20:24] because as soon as someone said a leg in, she's like Torban's there.

[00:20:27] Oh, OK, OK, fair enough.

[00:20:30] I forgot about that.

[00:20:32] I'm curious if we'll see what their relationship continued to be after that.

[00:20:37] I mean, I guess I have to because they're laying those teases down,

[00:20:39] especially with Indara and her.

[00:20:41] Mm hmm.

[00:20:43] Well, and I guess maybe it's that he was one of the four station.

[00:20:46] Like that's what's connecting all these people is he's one of the four

[00:20:49] stationed on our home planet.

[00:20:50] So she probably knew all these Jedi before.

[00:20:53] We probably knew she was four sensitive.

[00:20:55] They knew she was there.

[00:20:56] And I guess what I'm guessing is they knew she was four sensitive,

[00:20:59] but they learned this after she was aged out of where she could join the Jedi.

[00:21:03] And then after everything in her home planet is destroyed,

[00:21:07] they're like, well, she has nowhere else to go.

[00:21:09] Let's break the rules a little bit and let her be a Jedi.

[00:21:11] Yeah. Yeah, I always wonder about the Jedi thinking of like,

[00:21:15] oh, we can't train children if they're above a certain age,

[00:21:18] because not just for like the creepy grooming aspects,

[00:21:21] but just because you want these force sensitive,

[00:21:26] you know, some of them quite powerful people to just be wandering

[00:21:29] around out there untrained and, you know,

[00:21:33] free to fall under the instruction of maybe some teachings that you don't want

[00:21:37] them to have.

[00:21:39] Well, I think this is part of the Jedi hubris of thinking

[00:21:42] that they're the only way in town, right?

[00:21:44] They do think that.

[00:21:47] You I know you're you're comparing it with the thinking of the White Tower,

[00:21:50] right, which is right.

[00:21:51] I am there.

[00:21:51] There's like even if you in the Wheel of Time,

[00:21:54] if anyone here is not a Wheel of Time person, this whole magic school,

[00:21:57] you know, Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, if you will,

[00:21:59] but only for women.

[00:22:01] Their thinking is we can't let people just wander around not knowing

[00:22:05] how to control this.

[00:22:06] So we're going to give them at least enough training

[00:22:08] to know how to not kill themselves or others.

[00:22:10] Right.

[00:22:10] And then we're going to send them away.

[00:22:12] Good question.

[00:22:13] Good question.

[00:22:14] There should be like a Jedi light training for these people.

[00:22:17] Right, exactly.

[00:22:18] Just I mean, because I understand maybe some are released

[00:22:22] because they weren't strong enough in the Jedi.

[00:22:25] I mean, some are released because they weren't strong enough

[00:22:28] or they didn't get their kyber crystals.

[00:22:31] But then at least they know enough to do like basic things

[00:22:35] or to understand what they have.

[00:22:39] Yeah, I think the Force, too, is I think we have not seen someone

[00:22:43] like accidentally use the Force to detriment.

[00:22:47] Right? Is that a thing?

[00:22:49] What do you mean? Oh, were they like accidentally hurt themselves with it?

[00:22:53] Yeah, that's not really a thing that happens with the Force.

[00:22:56] I think that the one power in the Wheel of Time is a lot more dangerous.

[00:23:00] To an unskilled user.

[00:23:01] Right. And if you accidentally use it, you get sick.

[00:23:04] Yeah. And which doesn't definitely we definitely haven't seen that with the Force.

[00:23:08] Right. Right. The Force is a good thing.

[00:23:10] You want to touch it.

[00:23:11] Yeah.

[00:23:12] Why just think about like having powerful people who

[00:23:15] yeah, might just make up their own way of doing things,

[00:23:18] which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[00:23:20] But I imagine the Jedi would think it is.

[00:23:23] Right. Yeah, definitely.

[00:23:24] I think I think just again,

[00:23:26] I think they think they have a monopoly on power with the Force.

[00:23:29] You know, fighting style with the Force.

[00:23:31] So they think, well, OK, they may be be able to commune with the Force

[00:23:35] and do some parlor tricks, but they're not going to be able to do any real damage

[00:23:39] or build a lightsaber or anything like that without us.

[00:23:41] But meanwhile, the Sith are over there in the secret, just, you know, plotting.

[00:23:47] So we also get in this scene.

[00:23:49] Saul calls attention to Osha's tattoo on her shoulder.

[00:23:53] I'm wondering, do you?

[00:23:54] Yeah, she's like, it's a crazy night with some of my crew.

[00:23:56] So this is again, contrasting that staying at home that she was talking about.

[00:24:00] But do you think the tattoo is going to end up meaning something

[00:24:03] or it's just going to be used to ID her versus May later?

[00:24:07] I think probably just ID that and the tattoo on May's forehead,

[00:24:12] which I mean, that whole that whole thing means something.

[00:24:16] That's the spiral is going to mean something. Yeah.

[00:24:18] Yeah, I mean, the tattoo on May's forehead not being on.

[00:24:21] I noticed that immediately when we went to Osha the first time

[00:24:24] and I thought, oh, this is a flashback and then it wasn't right.

[00:24:28] Because I didn't know this was a twin plot until we we definitely knew, you know.

[00:24:33] OK, good. Yeah, I didn't I didn't watch a lot of the trailers.

[00:24:37] I wanted to go in cold.

[00:24:39] Right. Well, it's just like on the on the poster there were

[00:24:43] she was pictured twice in them they had.

[00:24:45] And also I was watching interviews and she just was straight out.

[00:24:48] She's like, yeah, when I'm playing Osha with my droid Pip, I'm like, OK.

[00:24:52] Well, the good news is I don't have those spoilers.

[00:24:56] The only thing I saw was hating Christians and congratulating her on everything.

[00:25:01] That was that was a sweet video.

[00:25:03] That was delightful. Yeah.

[00:25:04] Yeah, she had such a good reaction.

[00:25:07] Yep. So what she didn't have a good reaction to though,

[00:25:10] her character, Osha, at least, was her family and entire village's death,

[00:25:14] which I guess, you know.

[00:25:17] But she says to so I know you have made peace with what happened there.

[00:25:20] That is a lesson you try to teach me many times.

[00:25:22] And he says, perhaps I wasn't a very good teacher.

[00:25:25] What do you think about that exchange?

[00:25:27] It's interesting. It's interesting.

[00:25:29] Me, I I wonder if because, you know, soul says in the first one,

[00:25:33] you know, you can remember the past and not repeat your mistakes.

[00:25:36] It's OK. Right. I wonder if he's thinking.

[00:25:39] She thinks she has to let go of entirely.

[00:25:41] I'm asking her to make peace with it.

[00:25:43] That's a different thing, right?

[00:25:45] Like acceptance is not the same as ignorance and forgetfulness.

[00:25:51] Yeah, although I do wonder if Saul doesn't know some things.

[00:25:53] I have a feeling that the other three,

[00:25:55] they at the other three seem like they feel more guilty,

[00:25:59] maybe not in Dara, but at least Torban and Kelnaka are doing versions

[00:26:03] of the Barash Vow, it seems.

[00:26:05] And so it seems like he is the most empathetic character we've met.

[00:26:09] So if he's not feeling as guilty as the others,

[00:26:12] maybe it's because he doesn't know everything.

[00:26:15] Yeah, I will say I would almost like if does know something.

[00:26:20] And he's been trying to repent.

[00:26:22] And this is part of the reason he was so hell bent on going to Oshah and saving her.

[00:26:27] That could be because that makes for a more complex character

[00:26:30] and a more interesting story, I think.

[00:26:31] Yeah. He also he does just like love Oshah, something special, it seems.

[00:26:37] I noticed somebody was joking online about how when Jackie is like,

[00:26:42] maybe Maize alive, he's like, no, shut up.

[00:26:43] And when Oshah is like, maybe Maize alive and he's like,

[00:26:47] oh, I believe you, baby girl. Of course she is.

[00:26:51] Right. Yeah. That's pretty funny.

[00:26:54] Yeah. He lights up when he talks to Oshah.

[00:26:57] Yep. Yeah. He I think really, I mean,

[00:27:00] you have a near death experience with somebody that's a bond for life.

[00:27:04] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:27:05] Yeah. Maybe he probably sees Oshah as more of an almost daughter figure

[00:27:09] because of the circumstances that she became his padawan.

[00:27:13] And once more, we highlight one of the weaknesses of the Jedi is

[00:27:16] by banning attachments, the heart will seek out attachments wherever it can find it.

[00:27:21] Like we need we need attachments.

[00:27:23] We need a relationship that's part of our being is I was going to say humans,

[00:27:26] but humanoids, let's say in the Star Wars universe.

[00:27:29] Well, even let's look at Doctor Who, you know,

[00:27:31] he's always taking on companions knowing that it won't be forever

[00:27:35] and he'll outlive them, but he needs that to tie him to

[00:27:40] to keep going, you know?

[00:27:42] Yeah. And of course, he's like every now and then he gets cranky

[00:27:45] and he's like, I don't need a companion.

[00:27:47] And then obviously, like a minute later, he has a companion.

[00:27:50] Right. Yeah.

[00:27:51] He is just throwing a little temper tantrum then as we all do.

[00:27:54] I'm the Time Lord, Victoria's temper tantrums.

[00:27:58] All right. Now enough Doctor Who.

[00:28:00] More Star Wars.

[00:28:01] All right. So speaking of people who may not be what they seem

[00:28:07] may shows up and an apothecary on a leg of recently taken over,

[00:28:11] presumably in a nefarious means by a shifty human character

[00:28:16] named Chimere, played by Manny Asinto.

[00:28:18] Stinking of booze, he said he waited up for her all night

[00:28:21] and she tells him about the force field failure.

[00:28:23] He tells her to find Torben's weakness.

[00:28:26] Everyone has a weakness and may ask Chimere to make her a poison.

[00:28:30] He admonishes her, reminding her that she is required to kill

[00:28:33] at least one Jedi without a weapon.

[00:28:36] She says that she has two more tries after this.

[00:28:39] Chimere makes her the poison and gives her an idea saying,

[00:28:42] the impenetrable meditator like every Jedi,

[00:28:45] he only thinks he's found peace.

[00:28:47] What he really needs is something only you can give him.

[00:28:51] Absolution may knows what she needs to do and demands Chimere

[00:28:55] not to tell their master about her struggles.

[00:28:57] I mean, I have a feeling if Chimere is not the master himself,

[00:29:00] the master knows everything Chimere knows.

[00:29:02] Oh, absolutely.

[00:29:02] Chimere is a fair weather friend for sure.

[00:29:07] Can I also add John M.

[00:29:10] From our Patreon commented, are we not discussing Jason Mendoza?

[00:29:15] Where's Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani and Michael and Janet?

[00:29:21] Yes.

[00:29:22] Referring to the Good Place, of course, since Jason from the Good Place

[00:29:26] plays Chimere.

[00:29:29] Yeah. So I said I struck out when I asked Bob about watching the Good Place.

[00:29:33] Have you watched the Good Place?

[00:29:34] Oh, yeah. I watched the whole thing.

[00:29:36] OK, yeah. Great.

[00:29:38] Yeah, it's just funny.

[00:29:40] I saw John's comment and I was like, he's only an episode two.

[00:29:44] But I figured we'll just address it on this.

[00:29:46] Right. Yeah.

[00:29:48] So he is so he's famously he plays this hilarious him bow in the Good Place.

[00:29:53] And here it seems like he's putting on not a him bow persona,

[00:29:58] but he's putting on this like drunken lazy persona.

[00:30:01] But then there are moments when it counts like he can.

[00:30:04] He's very sharp, like the way he reacts when

[00:30:09] when may attacks him at the end of the episode in the alleyway.

[00:30:11] It's like, whoa, he's this this is a guy who can fight.

[00:30:14] He's got good reflexes.

[00:30:16] And you know, the way he clocks that Oshah is pretending to be made.

[00:30:19] Not that she was very good at it, but still.

[00:30:22] And he's a very good poison maker, right?

[00:30:24] Like he made an effective poison that killed a Jedi within seconds, it seems.

[00:30:28] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:29] He didn't take over that apothecary shop by accident.

[00:30:32] Mm hmm.

[00:30:33] Do you think every town he goes to, he's just like,

[00:30:35] ah, I got to find an apothecary shop to take over.

[00:30:39] Yeah, I guess so.

[00:30:40] There's like a stack of apothecary maker bodies.

[00:30:43] He's like the taxes on these are just adding up.

[00:30:46] Yeah.

[00:30:50] I loved, by the way, overall the vibrancy of this Oleg and Markets scene.

[00:30:53] It did remind me of the eclipse trailer, which, you know,

[00:30:56] just the high republic, the fact that it's so diverse and lived in.

[00:31:01] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:31:02] Man, I hope that game's good.

[00:31:04] Yes, me too. Oh my gosh, I hope it comes out.

[00:31:09] You never know with this universe.

[00:31:10] Right.

[00:31:13] So I noticed, by the way, she asked him as soon as she sees Kymer,

[00:31:17] she's like, what are you wearing?

[00:31:18] So he says he took it off the guy who owns this place of London.

[00:31:21] But it makes me wonder, what does he normally wear?

[00:31:23] Like, could it be something distinctive?

[00:31:26] Mm hmm.

[00:31:28] Like a voice changer mask.

[00:31:31] Yeah.

[00:31:33] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:31:34] That's a good question, though.

[00:31:37] And of course we have to address this whole

[00:31:41] pieces of lie thing that he says.

[00:31:44] So we brought this up in the Accolade preview episode, but, you know,

[00:31:48] you heard them exchange pieces of lie.

[00:31:49] Well, pieces of lie is the beginning of the SIF code.

[00:31:52] So the SIF code again goes pieces of lie.

[00:31:55] There is only passion through passion.

[00:31:57] I gain strength through strength.

[00:31:58] I gain power through power.

[00:32:00] I gain victory.

[00:32:03] I'm going to try to not make you bleep me again, but I think that we

[00:32:07] have similar characters later in the timeline who are former SIF,

[00:32:12] but still adhere to a lot of the tenets of it.

[00:32:16] Mm hmm.

[00:32:17] And so I think maybe that's what this whole sect is.

[00:32:23] Yeah.

[00:32:24] Yeah, it could be just because he is, you know, obviously

[00:32:28] familiar with the SIF code or teaching or whatever doesn't

[00:32:30] necessarily make him a SIF because he was described in the marketing

[00:32:35] materials as a trader.

[00:32:37] And if that's true, then probably would get his hands on SIF artifacts.

[00:32:42] So this could come from that as well.

[00:32:46] Would have been friends with Luthan.

[00:32:48] Yes, exactly.

[00:32:50] Yeah, they would at least.

[00:32:52] No, Luthan exists and is a trader later in the timeline.

[00:32:58] So just to contrast the Jedi code, by the way, is there is no ignorance.

[00:33:02] There is knowledge.

[00:33:03] There is no passion.

[00:33:04] There is serenity.

[00:33:05] There is no chaos.

[00:33:06] There is harmony.

[00:33:07] There is no death.

[00:33:08] There is the force, which sounds like a whole lot of denial, but it's nice.

[00:33:14] Yeah, it's I think you're right, though.

[00:33:17] That's that's a really good.

[00:33:20] That is a really good point that this is all denial, right?

[00:33:23] Like they're it's all like this doesn't exist.

[00:33:27] Right.

[00:33:28] Exactly.

[00:33:29] Instead of saying, you know, they're I don't see a lot of balance in this.

[00:33:36] I know it says harmony.

[00:33:37] There is no chaos.

[00:33:38] There is chaos.

[00:33:39] The universe is chaos.

[00:33:41] Entropy is real.

[00:33:42] We can't fight it.

[00:33:44] Oh, we can fight it, but we'll fail.

[00:33:46] And there is passion.

[00:33:47] That's why you guys have people all the time having feelings that

[00:33:51] they have to shove down.

[00:33:52] It's it's a, you know, we see modern religions today, you know, certain

[00:33:58] sects of modern religions forcing people to shove feelings down and ignore them.

[00:34:01] And it's unhealthy.

[00:34:02] And I don't think it's healthier just because these are the good guys in the story.

[00:34:06] Yeah.

[00:34:07] I mean, it's like Kamiar said, like every Jedi Torben only thinks he's found.

[00:34:14] I do prefer the the high republic Jedi saying is for light in life, which is

[00:34:19] a lot more fun.

[00:34:21] No cringe.

[00:34:24] And also we have to mention that plant, Bunta, that he used for the poison.

[00:34:29] This is a new plant in the Star Wars universe and it's from Bremdok, which

[00:34:33] is the planet that we find out the twins came from.

[00:34:36] And it's used for hunting on their home planet starting in childhood.

[00:34:39] So this tells us a bit about this culture on Bremdok that they are.

[00:34:44] I mean, I guess a lot of children do learn how to hunt, but it just shows

[00:34:49] that this is a hunting society that children are put to work in that way.

[00:34:54] Learn to kill at a young age.

[00:34:55] Yeah.

[00:34:56] Yeah.

[00:34:57] It's interesting, the plant looks like kind of like a flaky red when he holds it

[00:35:00] up, but then it turns the vial green.

[00:35:03] Yeah, it's like it's like a crushed red pepper kind of thing, you know?

[00:35:07] Yeah.

[00:35:07] Yeah.

[00:35:08] So I'll be interested to see if we should be paying attention to like red

[00:35:12] plants or green vials later in this in this series.

[00:35:16] Yep.

[00:35:17] Good call.

[00:35:19] All right.

[00:35:19] That brings us about halfway through the episode.

[00:35:22] So what do you think about a quick break before we dive into the second half?

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[00:35:27] All right.

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[00:36:18] OK, now let's dive into the second half of the episode.

[00:36:23] So Team Jedi arrives at the outpost to the surprise of the local Jedi

[00:36:28] and Saul shares that his that this crime may be part of a larger investigation.

[00:36:34] Meanwhile, May approaches Torben with a poison to offer him that

[00:36:37] ab solution and the scarred guilt ridden Torben ends his meditation

[00:36:41] to take the vial and drink it.

[00:36:43] His last words are, I've been waiting for you, May.

[00:36:46] Forgive me. We thought we were doing the right thing.

[00:36:51] Interesting. He said May.

[00:36:53] As the Jedi enter the temple, Oshia peels off to follow a vision

[00:36:57] of her sister as a child finding Torben already dead and picking up

[00:37:00] the vial to sniff it just as the other Jedi enter the room.

[00:37:04] Yord steps out of the shadows to confirm Torben was dead before

[00:37:07] Oshia entered the room.

[00:37:08] He was following her.

[00:37:10] Oshia IDs the poison as a plant from her home planet.

[00:37:14] So yeah, it's interesting to contrast Saul and Vernestra in this scene,

[00:37:20] especially where we just see how much more of an open character Saul is.

[00:37:24] Like he's immediately he's like, hey, this is what's going on.

[00:37:27] Here's all the deeds you need to know, which does slow them down

[00:37:31] so that they are talking outside when the murder actually happens

[00:37:34] instead of being inside.

[00:37:39] Yeah, it's I love soul.

[00:37:42] I love soul with all my heart.

[00:37:44] I think Maryland's Maryland might be in love with the man.

[00:37:48] But yeah, he's got to hurry up a little bit.

[00:37:53] Well, I mean, I think but he is then later in the episode,

[00:37:55] he's like he's the one saying to Vernestra, like we don't have time

[00:37:58] for a meeting right now.

[00:38:00] We know where the assassin is going.

[00:38:03] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:38:05] What do you think of yours behavior in this scene?

[00:38:07] Like on the one hand, he's he stood up for her or did he cover for her?

[00:38:12] I'm very suspicious of everyone.

[00:38:15] No, I think he did follow her and he and he if he hadn't said

[00:38:19] something she might have been arrested.

[00:38:20] But yeah, I think him following her and seeing it made me think.

[00:38:28] That she it made me think that he is not part of this dark side cult.

[00:38:34] I think he I think he legitimately is just a hall monitor.

[00:38:38] And because he followed her and was snooping,

[00:38:41] he learned that she was not the culprit and therefore he doesn't want to

[00:38:43] waste everybody's time with interrogating May and interrogating Oshia.

[00:38:48] Right.

[00:38:50] Do you think that so Saul was convinced that Torben would speak to him?

[00:38:54] And of course, he didn't get the chance.

[00:38:56] Do you think that Torben would have spoken to Saul?

[00:38:58] I'm very curious.

[00:39:00] Maybe so.

[00:39:02] How about this?

[00:39:02] Maybe Saul does not is not directly implicated in what happened,

[00:39:06] but he knows what happened and he's kept quiet about it.

[00:39:10] He's like, that's your testimony to give.

[00:39:12] I'm not going to, you know, go and tell the Jedi Council about it.

[00:39:17] But, you know, you have to live with that.

[00:39:19] I think I think maybe he would have spoken to him

[00:39:23] based only on like not blackmail, but just I owe a debt to you kind of.

[00:39:28] Right. I mean, Torben said, you know, first of all, it's interesting.

[00:39:32] Torben knew May was alive.

[00:39:35] He said I've been waiting for you.

[00:39:37] And Saul definitely did not know May was alive.

[00:39:40] So it seems like they that Saul doesn't know something.

[00:39:44] But also Torben ends with we thought we were doing the right thing.

[00:39:48] So I think if Saul did know anything, you know, he would probably see

[00:39:53] that it came from a place of trying to be good.

[00:39:56] Right, right.

[00:39:58] I could think of an example later

[00:40:01] that I can't say, but sort of the Jedi Council being like,

[00:40:03] well, this seems like a bad thing to do, but also we're out of options.

[00:40:09] Right. Comes from a book.

[00:40:11] Mm hmm. Yeah, they do.

[00:40:13] I mean, yeah, there are a few examples, I would say, in the history

[00:40:17] of them saying like, this is something we never should not do, blah, blah, blah.

[00:40:22] But we're going to do it because of circumstances.

[00:40:25] I mean, we saw that also.

[00:40:27] Slippery slope, baby.

[00:40:28] Yeah, even in the High Republic with, you know, the way that they started

[00:40:32] pressing children to to train younger and they pressed a bunch of younglings

[00:40:38] to be or Padawans to become Jedi more quickly to fight a threat.

[00:40:44] Yeah, it does.

[00:40:45] It is definitely telling though that Torben may have thought he did the right thing.

[00:40:49] But in the end, he chose poison over confessing to the Jedi Council.

[00:40:52] So he does not want people to know whatever he did for whatever

[00:40:57] he thought were the right reasons.

[00:40:59] Yeah, I'm really excited to have this mystery solved.

[00:41:02] Do we know that this is a multi-season show, by the way?

[00:41:05] It is as of now.

[00:41:07] It was it was pitched as a multi-season show.

[00:41:10] Season two has not yet been green lit.

[00:41:11] We did just get the first numbers in and this is the

[00:41:15] was the most popular debut on Disney Plus this year so far.

[00:41:19] Really good numbers.

[00:41:20] Yeah, so it's a good sign.

[00:41:22] Leslie Headlin said or Hedlin, Headlin.

[00:41:25] I'm not sure which way she pronounced it, but anyway, she said that

[00:41:29] that she yeah, she wants to do more series and she knows what she wants to do,

[00:41:32] but she wanted to take a break in between because this was a lot.

[00:41:36] Hmm. OK, fair enough.

[00:41:40] OK, so speaking of a lot, the next section is it's an action heavy section.

[00:41:44] So a lot of little plot details.

[00:41:47] So the the recap is slightly longer.

[00:41:49] So bear with me for a moment, but we've got some confrontations happening.

[00:41:54] The Jedi, they find out that the apothecary in town,

[00:41:57] the only possible source of this plant was recently taken over by a sudden outsider.

[00:42:03] They decide to send Osha pretending to be May to talk to Kymir,

[00:42:06] recording his confession about the poison, which works.

[00:42:10] But Osha's acting weird and Kymir clocks it pretty quickly when she says

[00:42:13] she wanted to thank him.

[00:42:15] Yeah, that was definitely.

[00:42:15] She's like, I just wanted to thank you.

[00:42:17] He's like, not May.

[00:42:20] Right. The Jedi charge in Kymir plays innocent says

[00:42:24] he's just a simple supplier, one who happens to know that May is trying

[00:42:28] to get revenge on exactly four Jedi.

[00:42:32] He says she'll be back that night to get supplies.

[00:42:35] Saul sets Yord on watch, sends Jackie to the ship and takes Osha with him.

[00:42:40] That night, Saul insists he must face May alone.

[00:42:44] Though Osha argues that she has the right saying her sister destroyed her life.

[00:42:49] Saul points out that what she's talking about is revenge, not justice.

[00:42:53] He wants the chance to do right by May.

[00:42:56] Osha points out that if May is targeting four Jedi, Saul must be one of them.

[00:43:01] Saul says Osha needs more faith in him and may both and leaves.

[00:43:06] Saul confronts May and they fight.

[00:43:08] And Saul notes that she's not using a weapon and is reaching for his saber.

[00:43:12] He ultimately disarms her and she won't tell him who trained her.

[00:43:16] And when he searches her mind, he realizes that she doesn't even know

[00:43:20] who her master is and that she thinks of her sister still, who she thought was dead.

[00:43:25] Yord pops up to correct that knowledge and Jackie brings the ship to make an arrest.

[00:43:29] But May creates a cloud of dust, allowing her to escape.

[00:43:33] She finally crosses paths with her sister and they pause and look at each other.

[00:43:37] May asking, oh, she and Osha fires shots set to stun,

[00:43:42] intentionally missing her sister, pushing May to speed out on her stolen cruiser

[00:43:47] before the Jedi arrive.

[00:43:51] Yeah.

[00:43:53] So I have a lot of questions here.

[00:43:56] Just it's a whole lot of questions.

[00:43:57] All right. The first one being.

[00:44:01] She doesn't may does not actually blame Saul for anything, right?

[00:44:07] Like she actually seems to.

[00:44:10] Like I think she would have killed him, but I think she knows that he doesn't know

[00:44:15] anything or that he wasn't guilty or complicit in it.

[00:44:19] I feel like she had tears in her eyes fighting him.

[00:44:21] I think I saw that as she looked at least very upset about it.

[00:44:24] She wasn't it wasn't like when she was fighting in Dara and she was angry.

[00:44:28] Right, right, right.

[00:44:29] Or even Torben, where she definitely had contempt for him.

[00:44:32] I didn't see any of that with her fight with Saul.

[00:44:34] And maybe it's because it was unexpected where the other two were planned.

[00:44:37] But I think that she was really not happy about this whole thing.

[00:44:42] Right. Yeah, no, she and it seems, you know, she obviously she couldn't kill him there.

[00:44:47] I guess she would have if she could have or she would have taken his lightsaber

[00:44:51] if he had allowed her.

[00:44:54] But she seems to have her list in order for some reason.

[00:44:56] Like the next one has to be Kamaka.

[00:44:58] I wonder if she's going from most culpable to least culpable.

[00:45:02] Maybe that might make sense.

[00:45:03] I would buy that. That feels right.

[00:45:06] Or is it? No, I was going to say is it alphabetical, but it's not because

[00:45:10] Torben came before Kamaka.

[00:45:12] Sorry, I'm the doctor who had my head.

[00:45:15] I still don't like that reveal.

[00:45:19] I noticed by the way, well, first of all, two things.

[00:45:22] One, Lee Jung Jae's reactions are just absolutely everything.

[00:45:26] I love his reactions when Osha was being awkward as a mole and he's like,

[00:45:30] Oh, God, oh, God.

[00:45:31] But it's interesting that he held the Jedi back because after as soon

[00:45:36] as Kymir says like, yeah, I made the poison or whatever, there,

[00:45:39] Jackie's like, send them in and so I was like, wait a minute.

[00:45:43] Hoping to get more out of it.

[00:45:44] So it does.

[00:45:46] He gave that extra beat that put May and a little bit more danger

[00:45:50] or sorry, Osha and a little bit more danger to hopefully get more info.

[00:45:54] Just noticing that.

[00:45:56] Yeah, I think I kind of agreed with him though.

[00:45:58] I think they could have gotten more out of that interaction.

[00:46:01] And I think Jackie, Jackie and on your word were a little gung ho.

[00:46:06] Right there.

[00:46:07] They're both a little trigger happy.

[00:46:09] Your word because he's your word and Jackie because he's a Padawan.

[00:46:13] Right. Right.

[00:46:14] Although Jackie, she was kind of an MVP in this scene.

[00:46:17] She was her.

[00:46:18] So your word wanted to be the one doing the confrontation,

[00:46:21] of course, because he's got a hero complex.

[00:46:23] Right. Right.

[00:46:24] And I love it's the hair.

[00:46:25] It's really.

[00:46:26] I mean, he's you could see this guy playing like charming and Shrek.

[00:46:30] Right. Like he's he's just ready to go.

[00:46:33] He's just ready to ride in and save the princess on a dragon.

[00:46:37] Absolutely. People are calling it Killmonger hair.

[00:46:40] Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[00:46:42] That's so true though.

[00:46:43] Killmonger didn't have the force.

[00:46:45] So I think we're settled on the gel aspect of his hair.

[00:46:49] Right. It's gel or it's it's hair spray.

[00:46:51] It's something something, you know, you can get on earth.

[00:46:56] Yeah. Well, yeah, I think that your it is.

[00:46:58] Yeah, he's not.

[00:46:59] He cannot give any extra concentration to that.

[00:47:05] But yeah, I wanted the best pieces of comedy

[00:47:07] that we've had so far in the first two episodes

[00:47:09] is Jackie calling him out on things like,

[00:47:10] you put your shirt back on.

[00:47:13] Yeah, yeah.

[00:47:15] And we need that.

[00:47:15] I'm really glad that they have some of those moments of comedy

[00:47:18] because without that it one, it doesn't feel like Star Wars.

[00:47:21] And two, it it just gets so dense

[00:47:24] with this kind of dark plot line.

[00:47:27] Yeah. And I love that it was it was Jackie's idea to send Osha

[00:47:31] because she just like also calls your doubt again.

[00:47:33] OK, what did he say?

[00:47:34] He was like, oh, right, because he wanted to just

[00:47:37] like basically take Chimera into custody immediately.

[00:47:40] And Jackie's like, oh, or we skip that.

[00:47:42] And she just talks to him.

[00:47:46] Yeah, it's his his first instinct

[00:47:48] is to whip out of the flight saver all the time.

[00:47:52] Right. Absolutely.

[00:47:54] But he does get so your Lord

[00:47:57] he did he did get one of the most iconic lines in Star Wars universe.

[00:48:01] I've got a bad feeling about this.

[00:48:03] Oh, my God, that I would be OK if we just let that go.

[00:48:09] I don't I don't hate it, but that better be the only one for this show.

[00:48:13] Like, OK, you did. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:48:15] I just don't want I'm I understand why we do it.

[00:48:18] I understand it's the member berries, but it'd be OK if we were just like,

[00:48:23] let's not do this line anymore.

[00:48:25] You know, all Star Wars, you're free.

[00:48:27] You're free writers.

[00:48:28] You don't have to put that line in here.

[00:48:30] You know, I just took a deep dive

[00:48:32] into the planet of the apes, everything.

[00:48:34] And there are certain lines like that that come back again and again.

[00:48:37] And there was one comic series where they said, get your stinking hands off me

[00:48:43] and every single issue. I'm like, no, come on.

[00:48:48] Oh, no.

[00:48:51] Lots of questions about Chimera, of course.

[00:48:55] So first of all, he is also a good source of comic relief.

[00:48:59] I love when he was like when they were asking him who is he as in her master.

[00:49:05] And he says, who's he?

[00:49:07] And he's like, oh, I thought he and he points to your it was with you.

[00:49:12] Oh, man, that's funny.

[00:49:14] But yeah, so he's but he's definitely playing dumb

[00:49:17] and elevating it to an art form.

[00:49:19] He's also says, like, please don't do the memory wipe thing or whatever it is you guys do.

[00:49:24] You know, it's funny that.

[00:49:27] In the good place, he has to pretend he's smart while the character is dumb.

[00:49:30] Right. And this has to pretend he's dumb when the character is smart.

[00:49:35] Yeah, he's a really good actor.

[00:49:36] Like he's really great at changing tones quickly.

[00:49:38] Yeah, that's yeah.

[00:49:40] Because he plays them all convincingly because he's charming.

[00:49:43] He's got that natural.

[00:49:45] Right.

[00:49:47] It is, by the way, I don't think we've mentioned on the podcast and that final

[00:49:51] scene where with the confrontation between the sisters, the blaster is set to

[00:49:56] stun. And I know that because stun shots are always circular in blue and star wars.

[00:50:02] So you can tell them apart from lethal shots that which are more like pointy straight.

[00:50:06] Mm hmm.

[00:50:07] So if you see blue circles, you know that someone set the stun.

[00:50:12] So.

[00:50:13] I mean, obviously she was giving her sister a chance to get away, right?

[00:50:17] I mean, she wanted her to get away.

[00:50:19] Yeah, yeah, I don't.

[00:50:21] I think she poorly aimed on purpose.

[00:50:23] Right.

[00:50:24] Yeah. And I and I think soul saw that and understood what happened.

[00:50:29] I think he's he's disappointed, but he's not angry because he understands

[00:50:33] that still her sister at the end of the day.

[00:50:36] Right.

[00:50:37] Yeah, because I mean, she was kind of brought, I think, so that she could try to

[00:50:41] talk to her sister. But she it was interesting when she was on the freighter

[00:50:47] herself, Oshah and the other prisoners are like, Oh, she's like, I believe I

[00:50:53] faith in the Jedi. And they're like, OK, well, enjoy jail.

[00:50:56] And now when it comes to putting her sister in that place where her

[00:50:59] faith doesn't seem to be in the Jedi at this moment, she's like she's

[00:51:04] wants to protect her sister rather than trust in the Jedi justice.

[00:51:08] Yeah. And, you know, at first I was like, May is being so selfish.

[00:51:12] She's putting her sister in danger of, you know, making her sister a suspect

[00:51:17] because the Jedi know her. But then as you learn that she didn't even know

[00:51:20] that that Oshah was alive, you're like, OK, she was only risking herself in her head.

[00:51:25] Right. I have a feeling that I have a feeling that May is going to start

[00:51:29] to look less and less like the villain that she at first seems as this goes on.

[00:51:36] Yeah, perhaps by the end they'll flip the titles where it's it's

[00:51:41] you know, referring to the opposite twin.

[00:51:44] Right. So I actually I ranked the characters from the first two episodes

[00:51:50] on an order of how sus they are. Do you want to hear my rankings?

[00:51:53] OK, yeah, I'm in. I'm in.

[00:51:55] All right. So least sus is so and followed by Jackie and then

[00:52:01] Kelnaka, Oshah and then I've May, but I'm ready to see her perspective.

[00:52:06] So this is like the first half of the list.

[00:52:08] We're getting to Torbans in the middle.

[00:52:11] Tassie Loa, I don't know, just maybe because of her race.

[00:52:15] She's too much of a role follower.

[00:52:16] And then Indara, definitely something going on there.

[00:52:19] Yord, Vernestra and then Chimera is obviously the most sus of them all.

[00:52:25] Hmm. I don't know.

[00:52:27] I might put I might put Torbin just just less sus than Chimera.

[00:52:33] OK. I mean, he's guilty.

[00:52:36] He did some he did do something, but he feels guilty about it.

[00:52:39] Something right? He knows he did something.

[00:52:41] Yeah, I mean, dude didn't talk to anybody for 10 years.

[00:52:45] You know, if this is something that's known to be a repentance thing

[00:52:49] is nobody like what did this guy do that he's been in this transfer?

[00:52:53] 10 years. Yeah, nobody's like questioning that.

[00:52:57] Hey, maybe we should look at his holodeck, you know, like I.

[00:53:01] I'm sure I'm sure like the other Jedi like Indara or maybe even

[00:53:04] Vernestra stepped in and said whatever needed to be said, you know,

[00:53:09] or he's just so pious. He's just so pious, you know, something like that.

[00:53:13] I mean, Vernestra is, you know, obsessed with the image of the Jedi

[00:53:17] more than justice. Right.

[00:53:20] It's interesting, though, to contrast, though, if

[00:53:23] Kelnaka has also more talk about the final scene with Kelnaka and just sec.

[00:53:27] But if Kelnaka has also taken a barraash vow,

[00:53:30] he's gone into the middle of the jungle where he's living but isolated.

[00:53:36] Whereas Torbin chose to do this meditation

[00:53:41] thing in the middle of a city in a temple with other Jedi.

[00:53:45] So he is surrounded by people, but then still isolating himself

[00:53:50] and like shutting himself off from life.

[00:53:53] I love that he's just furniture.

[00:53:54] Like they just can have a conversation around him and they're like, hey, what's up?

[00:53:58] You know, there's Torbin.

[00:54:00] You know, he's he's a fixture of the temple.

[00:54:02] But I guess he must hear what they're saying because he heard me.

[00:54:06] Mm hmm.

[00:54:07] I would be kind of creepy like he's listening in on everything.

[00:54:10] You probably forget at some point.

[00:54:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a it's a weekend at Torbin's.

[00:54:16] Yeah. OK.

[00:54:18] So speaking of Kelnaka,

[00:54:20] I he's he was my immediate favorite coming out of it, although

[00:54:24] Saul may be overtaking.

[00:54:25] Oh, I really love all the characters in this show, to be honest.

[00:54:29] But OK. Connecting again via comlink for Nestra Tell Saul,

[00:54:33] she's convening a small council and he's being summoned

[00:54:37] despite his protests that they don't have time.

[00:54:40] They know where he is going next to the jungle planet of Kofar

[00:54:43] to kill the other Jedi on her list, the Wookiee Kelnaka back at the pharmacy.

[00:54:47] May confronts Chimer for selling her out.

[00:54:50] He says he'll make it up to her by getting them both off the planet.

[00:54:54] He's found Kelnaka and they're headed to Kofar indeed.

[00:54:57] Meanwhile, in a jungle in Kofar, two Hatties speaking humans are lost.

[00:55:02] They spot the wreck of a ship, not realizing there's a Wookiee

[00:55:05] who doesn't want company inside.

[00:55:08] Kelnaka force pulls the blaster out of their hands, breaks it and the humans go running.

[00:55:13] So yeah, Kofar is very like we've seen enough of Kashyyyk, the Wookiee planet.

[00:55:18] Let's make another planet that looks just like it.

[00:55:21] I'm kind of glad because because you would think that, you know,

[00:55:25] a lot of species settle different planets

[00:55:26] and we've never seen another world with the Wookiees.

[00:55:29] And, you know, we've seen enough of Kashyyyk home life

[00:55:32] with the Star Wars Christmas special, Star Wars holiday special that we did,

[00:55:37] which still is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my entire life.

[00:55:42] But yeah, I really loved seeing this.

[00:55:44] I loved how he just he didn't attack them.

[00:55:46] He just took their gun, broke it in half and then it worked with them.

[00:55:50] I think that's fair. That's a fair response.

[00:55:52] Yeah, someone called it getting off my lawn energy.

[00:55:55] You can't remember who said that, but I keep thinking of that.

[00:55:57] Yeah.

[00:55:59] I mean, it's definitely it's not like the kind of behavior you expect from a Jedi,

[00:56:02] but from a Wookiee, it's, you know, he's they're lucky.

[00:56:05] He didn't rip their arms off. Right. Right.

[00:56:08] They are known to do that, aren't they?

[00:56:10] Yeah. And the sign, by the way, it was in Shrewook with their language.

[00:56:14] And it just said basically get off my lawn, like go away, leave me alone.

[00:56:19] But I do wonder. So because it's written in Shrewook,

[00:56:21] I'm wondering if this is in the Wookiee system somewhere nearby.

[00:56:26] You know, there's more Wookiees on this planet.

[00:56:29] Yeah, that would be cool.

[00:56:30] Do you do you know what his lightsaber looks like yet?

[00:56:34] Oh, I said trailers or anything.

[00:56:36] Yeah, no, I said in the preview episode, it's either blue or green.

[00:56:39] But I can't remember which of them.

[00:56:40] I think green. I don't know.

[00:56:41] Oh, no, I mean the hill.

[00:56:42] Oh, the hilt. Oh, because I know that there's a thing

[00:56:45] in the Clone Wars about how Wookiees often have wooden hilt.

[00:56:48] Oh, right. Yeah. Good point.

[00:56:50] I did not pay attention to that, to be honest.

[00:56:53] But I think there's a picture online.

[00:56:55] OK, I can't wait to see it in the show.

[00:56:57] I'm going to wait till I see it in the show.

[00:56:59] OK, and I'm looking forward to it

[00:57:01] because I've always wanted to see like a live action version of that.

[00:57:03] Right, right. Yeah, because we see there's

[00:57:06] there's a famous one from earlier in the High Republic books,

[00:57:10] Bereaga, and people are like, why isn't Bereaga showing up?

[00:57:13] What does that mean about Bereaga?

[00:57:14] Because again, the books are not done yet.

[00:57:16] So I think they're not going to Bereaga

[00:57:19] could very well just be out there somewhere.

[00:57:22] But then they're not going to tell us anything

[00:57:23] about him in this show because the books are busy.

[00:57:26] Yeah, guys busy.

[00:57:28] How long do you look? He's lived a very long time.

[00:57:32] OK, yeah. So Chewbacca is already alive.

[00:57:35] He's about 70 at this point.

[00:57:37] So he's out there somewhere.

[00:57:39] Yeah. Wow.

[00:57:41] But it's interesting because they're

[00:57:43] they're trial, they're like, you know,

[00:57:45] aging rights happen at age 12,

[00:57:48] which is even younger than for most humans.

[00:57:52] I wonder when Chewbacca is going to have his kids

[00:57:54] is and start watching For Arm Julia Child.

[00:58:00] Yeah, the Christmas special.

[00:58:02] I love I just love it.

[00:58:04] I will reference any time I can.

[00:58:06] No, this is definitely we're going to be covering it on on the podcast.

[00:58:10] So if you if you if you want to be a guest, I would love that.

[00:58:14] Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

[00:58:16] I mean, I also I want to come on on the cold wars at some point.

[00:58:19] If you know, of course, yeah, tell me tell me when.

[00:58:22] Can you do a Wookiee impression?

[00:58:24] Oh, not well.

[00:58:27] Actually, that's pretty good.

[00:58:28] That's OK. All right.

[00:58:29] I was away.

[00:58:30] I see I can't do it.

[00:58:32] No, I did it better and I did it better in earlier episodes.

[00:58:36] But I'm trying to collect Wookiee impressions from listeners.

[00:58:39] So if anyone can do a good one, send it to SW Timeline podcast at Gmail.com.

[00:58:44] I'm going to put together a compilation.

[00:58:46] Did you ever see that reddit post?

[00:58:47] I'm sure it was fake, but it was like somebody put up

[00:58:50] somebody had a contentious divorce and they put up signs like

[00:58:53] I really want Wookiee impressions and they put their ex-partners number.

[00:58:59] So they were just getting calls all the time.

[00:59:03] I would kind of have to laugh, I think,

[00:59:05] although I guess it would get annoying.

[00:59:07] I mean, you'd have to change your number, but that's all right.

[00:59:09] Yeah, well.

[00:59:11] So I love, by the way, the actor who's playing

[00:59:14] Kalnaka is a Finnish actor named Yunus Swagtomo

[00:59:18] and he also played Chewie in the newer movies.

[00:59:21] Yeah, yeah, I saw that. He was a basketball player, right?

[00:59:24] Yeah, a very tall guy.

[00:59:25] Yeah, I was like what was it, 6'11 or something like that?

[00:59:29] Crazy. Yeah, yeah.

[00:59:30] I mean, I didn't know his height, but you see him next to the other actors

[00:59:34] and he dwarfs over even even over the ones who I thought were tall.

[00:59:38] Of course, I'm myself in American terms.

[00:59:41] I'm five foot two, so everyone dwarfs over me.

[00:59:44] Fair enough. Fair enough.

[00:59:45] My wife is also the same height, so I know that height well.

[00:59:48] Yeah, yeah.

[00:59:51] Yeah, but I think there might be more.

[00:59:54] We might get some more wookie crossovers in end of season two.

[00:59:58] So all the more reason to hope for a season two.

[01:00:01] Where there's also hope of maybe some huts showing up

[01:00:05] because we had the reference to the party moon.

[01:00:09] And now we have people speaking Hatsis,

[01:00:12] which is the language of the now hot to system.

[01:00:16] So maybe we'll go to Narsha, the party moon ourselves in this show.

[01:00:21] Or maybe we will see a hot Java is alive.

[01:00:25] He's almost 500 at this point.

[01:00:26] He was well. Yeah, he's born in 600 BBY.

[01:00:30] So I've never been a big hut fan.

[01:00:31] I'm going to be honest with you.

[01:00:32] I'm not a big hut guy.

[01:00:34] Every time they show up, I'm like, ah.

[01:00:36] All right. Yeah, I am and I know Bob is Bob really wants to see some huts.

[01:00:43] I just find it there.

[01:00:45] I want to know more about their like crime family, basically.

[01:00:49] I want to know more about their culture and their species.

[01:00:52] I'm intrigued. Now give me the pirates.

[01:00:54] I love the space pirates.

[01:00:56] Yeah, we should be getting some pirates sooner or later

[01:00:58] because this is prime pirate time.

[01:01:02] The high seas. Yeah, exactly.

[01:01:07] Oh, by the way, also for Kailaka fans,

[01:01:10] Marvel Comics just announced this week that they're going to publish

[01:01:13] a one shot comic about him on September 4th, 2024,

[01:01:17] which is going to be set right before this.

[01:01:20] So it's going to bridge the gap between the High Republic books and this show, basically.

[01:01:27] So definitely going to talk about that after it comes out.

[01:01:30] Yeah, definitely.

[01:01:31] I'm definitely in on the High Republic now.

[01:01:33] I think the show really excited me more about it.

[01:01:36] I did actually listen to some of the late of the Jedi audio book last night,

[01:01:40] but I couldn't keep my eyes open.

[01:01:43] I was so tired last night, but I wanted to finish convergence and I couldn't do that.

[01:01:47] So I figured I had the late of the Jedi audio book already.

[01:01:49] I'll I'll go back to that and I'll try to do it.

[01:01:51] And I was like, OK, this is better now that I have like a grasp on this era.

[01:01:56] Thanks to the Star Wars kind of timeline, I guess.

[01:01:58] No, yeah.

[01:01:59] Well, I mean, yeah, this show, I think this is why also why I think that

[01:02:02] a lot of people a lot more people are going to go back and read the books

[01:02:05] after this because this show is going to make them curious.

[01:02:07] Like, oh, well, what is different and what happened?

[01:02:10] And yeah, it's just really hard to especially

[01:02:14] because it's not like it's decayed versions of the original trilogy, right?

[01:02:19] Like the original trilogy is the decayed version.

[01:02:22] So it's hard to it's hard to go back to imagining

[01:02:27] not a declined version, but an improved version in the past.

[01:02:31] It's a really hard thing to conceptualize if you don't have it visually.

[01:02:34] Right. Yeah.

[01:02:35] And Leslie Helen did say that she

[01:02:39] she did expressly do that.

[01:02:41] She was like, OK, well, we look at the original trilogy where things stand.

[01:02:45] We look at the prequel trilogy where things stood then.

[01:02:49] How do we just draw this line back further in terms of the design

[01:02:53] of things in terms of the state of the universe?

[01:02:57] You carry the four and add the flux capacitor and insert

[01:03:01] the gift with the woman doing calculations in the area.

[01:03:07] All right, shall we get into a little trailer based speculation?

[01:03:11] So sure, I didn't watch it, but sure.

[01:03:13] No, yeah, there's just a couple things from the trailers

[01:03:16] that give us hints of what's to come.

[01:03:18] Anyone who doesn't want to hear this,

[01:03:20] I will put a timestamp in the notes about when the section is over

[01:03:23] and then we'll get back and we'll get into our community feedback and other things.

[01:03:27] But just one thing from the trailer that we know is that this spiral

[01:03:32] may has on her head is there's another character

[01:03:37] who we play by Jody Turner Smith called Mother Anaseya,

[01:03:41] who has also a spiral like that on her head, but then in the middle.

[01:03:46] So I like it.

[01:03:47] And Anaseya is the is Oshah's last name.

[01:03:51] Oh, really? Mm hmm.

[01:03:53] So they said they I think they said they had two mothers,

[01:03:56] but or they said they had mothers plural.

[01:03:59] So maybe this is one of their literal mothers

[01:04:03] or maybe she's a mother because it looks like she's

[01:04:07] like head witch of her. Right, like a cult leader kind of thing.

[01:04:11] And if if we talked about the about Padawan John's theory

[01:04:16] about the spirals being connected to the Nighill with the storm terminology,

[01:04:20] if that is the case, then this would be in the center of her forehead

[01:04:24] like and she would be the eye, you know, like a third eye.

[01:04:28] So I'm very, very much looking forward to meeting her.

[01:04:32] But we might meet her in a flashback because we do know we're going to get flashbacks.

[01:04:36] So people who are upset about losing Kareyan Moss, if you're not,

[01:04:40] she will be back in flashback form with Saul and Kelnaka and Torban.

[01:04:44] So we're definitely so we see young Torban because those who know

[01:04:47] the actor knows know that he's actually quite young.

[01:04:50] So the fact that they hired a young actor and had him in this first scene play

[01:04:55] old makes me think that they are he's mostly going to be seen.

[01:05:00] As a younger version, so I'm wondering if we're going to get like whole episodes

[01:05:04] in the past. Right, right, exactly.

[01:05:05] That's what I'm wondering too.

[01:05:06] Like maybe the next episode is just all flashback.

[01:05:10] Hmm, I like that.

[01:05:13] One other thing I noticed is that in Dara,

[01:05:16] when she was fighting May in the opening scene of episode one,

[01:05:19] she had two dots next to her eye.

[01:05:21] But in the flashback episode, she only has one black dot next to her eye.

[01:05:25] So I don't know what that means, but just noticing it's there and visible.

[01:05:31] That's showing the passage of how many years or something.

[01:05:34] I don't know.

[01:05:35] Or maybe it's a marker, you know, like like for Nestra has a tattoos

[01:05:39] on her head because the Mary Ellen's mark things that way.

[01:05:42] Maybe this is her version of that marking something.

[01:05:45] Well, when it's one dot, she's in the matrix.

[01:05:47] And when it's two dot, she's in reality. Right.

[01:05:51] That's how she knows it's like an inception with the top spinning.

[01:05:56] Yeah, also OK, so we saw in the first episode,

[01:06:00] baby May after that poem, they recite together her eyes turn black.

[01:06:05] Torban's eyes do the same thing in the trailer and then he collapsed.

[01:06:09] So does that say whatever is happening to Torban was happening to May?

[01:06:16] In like maybe because there's a lot of questions about this,

[01:06:20] like are Osha and May a forced dyad?

[01:06:23] And if so, why does it seem like Osha is the only one who is getting these visions?

[01:06:29] Of course, we don't know.

[01:06:30] Maybe May is, although May seemed convinced Osha was dead

[01:06:35] or maybe there's somebody controlling her somehow.

[01:06:38] Yeah, if there's something, if there's somebody controlling her,

[01:06:40] then maybe they would think that it would be beneficial to have Osha

[01:06:44] fear the return of her sister or something like that and not beneficial

[01:06:49] to let May know that her sister was alive

[01:06:52] because that would force her to confront her past. Right.

[01:06:57] Right. Yeah.

[01:06:58] And I just wanted to point out that there were scenes of people like,

[01:07:01] oh, Jackie's fighting with May in the trailer.

[01:07:04] These two characters are going to go along.

[01:07:06] Yeah, sorry, I'm sorry.

[01:07:07] I'll stop doing it eventually.

[01:07:09] But yeah, just that is May. It's not Osha.

[01:07:12] So there's also there are people online who are shipping Jackie and Osha.

[01:07:17] Well, we'll see. They I mean, it's romance is OK.

[01:07:21] Jackie is too young for Osha.

[01:07:24] Aren't they both young?

[01:07:26] I don't know.

[01:07:27] I would rather they I would rather they get along than be enemies.

[01:07:32] It like they can be besties or I don't mind a little romance in Star Wars,

[01:07:36] but I don't know if Disney will dare to go there, you know?

[01:07:40] Or well, that and also it's it's their Jedi, right?

[01:07:43] Like that. Well, I know Osha is an amazing, but

[01:07:47] you know, Jackie is is a Padawan.

[01:07:49] She's supposed to have the whole no attachment steel

[01:07:53] unless you're a cocoon. Oh, man.

[01:07:56] Wouldn't it be funny if Jackie and her master had a

[01:08:00] an unhealthy, quote unquote, attachment to the same person?

[01:08:04] Oh, all right.

[01:08:06] All right. That's interesting.

[01:08:10] So the big confrontation in the woods in the trailer, by the way,

[01:08:13] I'm wondering if that is in is in flashback.

[01:08:17] So there's a scene where all like these different colored lightsabers light up

[01:08:20] and there's a red lightsaber spiraling through the darkness.

[01:08:24] So I'm wondering if that's in flashback just because

[01:08:28] Osha's flashbacks that we saw in the first episode were set in the woods.

[01:08:33] Right. Yeah, I could see that.

[01:08:35] I could see that. And I it's it's interesting because

[01:08:38] when she first had that flashback, I remember she said,

[01:08:41] Brenda and I thought she was talking about a person.

[01:08:45] Right. And then later, of course, we learned that that's the name of the planet.

[01:08:48] So they did a good job of like Martin three step revealing it.

[01:08:51] Yeah. So I'm hoping maybe Episode Three will be a full flashback episode.

[01:08:57] But I'm signed up for feel like we're not ready for it yet.

[01:09:00] Yeah, you think I think this is an episode five or six deal.

[01:09:04] Right. Well, you know, I guess there has to be the next episode does have to be

[01:09:08] about her trying to kill come kill Naka.

[01:09:10] And I feel like she's going to succeed and that hurts my heart.

[01:09:13] Yeah.

[01:09:15] So Naka is not long for this life.

[01:09:17] Right.

[01:09:18] Oh, yeah, the wookie.

[01:09:21] See, that was a good one.

[01:09:23] I'm working on it.

[01:09:24] I'm working on it.

[01:09:25] Um, all right. Shall we see what the community thought

[01:09:29] about these first two episodes? Absolutely.

[01:09:32] So if anyone else wants to share their thoughts about future episodes,

[01:09:36] then please send in your feedback to we have two emails you can send to.

[01:09:40] We have the SW Timeline podcast at gmail.com.

[01:09:44] And we also have Star Wars at the Lorhounds.com,

[01:09:47] whichever you send it to, it will get in our episode notes.

[01:09:51] We do record the day after the episode airs or which sorry,

[01:09:56] the episode airs in Wednesday for most of the world,

[01:09:58] the episode airs in Wednesday for me.

[01:10:00] So when I talk about the day, the episode airs, that's what I mean.

[01:10:04] In the US, we're going to record Thursday morning.

[01:10:07] It'll come out after that.

[01:10:08] OK, right. All right.

[01:10:11] OK, so first feedback is from David, our fellow Lorhound.

[01:10:17] Hey, David.

[01:10:20] He says, hey, yo, quick feedback.

[01:10:22] Glad you guys are loving the show.

[01:10:23] And it seems like the community is excited about this new title.

[01:10:26] Hopefully I'll jump in on some later episodes.

[01:10:29] But for now, I just wanted to drop a quick note about the martial arts

[01:10:32] and the attack me with all your strength line.

[01:10:35] As a kid who grew up watching a lot of Kung Fu on late night TV,

[01:10:39] that line was right out of many of those movies.

[01:10:42] I'm not an expert, but as I understand at the time in China's real

[01:10:46] and mythologized history, it was a thing for up and coming fighters

[01:10:50] to challenge more experienced masters.

[01:10:52] There was a strong desire for adherence of one style

[01:10:55] to want to test their styles against other styles.

[01:10:58] These engagements had their own rules of form and etiquette,

[01:11:02] not unlike how duels would have been fought at various times in European

[01:11:05] or Japanese history, regardless of the historicity.

[01:11:08] That line really was a tone setter for me.

[01:11:11] And I'm sure anyone else who watched a lot of the same kind of TV back in that era.

[01:11:16] So. No, thank you, David.

[01:11:19] Yeah, like I said, not so much inside on the fighting side.

[01:11:22] So really appreciate that.

[01:11:24] Yeah, I mean, I used to watch a lot of Kung Fu movies with my grandpa

[01:11:28] because he was so into them and it did feel right out of that.

[01:11:31] I totally agree with that.

[01:11:34] I just the most interesting thing to me about that line is how not

[01:11:39] sit like it felt.

[01:11:41] Right. This this, you know, coming right out into the open

[01:11:44] and declaring that they want to fight. That's not the sit at all.

[01:11:48] No, you have a point. You have a point.

[01:11:50] There's something ritualized about it.

[01:11:53] Yeah, we need Marilyn to think about the ritual side of it.

[01:11:57] Mm hmm. Agreed.

[01:11:59] Well, she wrote in later, so that's right.

[01:12:01] She did write it later. Yeah.

[01:12:03] So also we heard from Jean Coheuss on the Lorehounds Network

[01:12:06] and my co-host for the MC Universe podcast episodes,

[01:12:10] which we're planning one for late June, by the way.

[01:12:13] But he just wanted us to make sure that we said, do not forget your

[01:12:17] don't trust your until until further notice.

[01:12:20] I'm with you, John.

[01:12:22] I said, John, oh man, I'm saying my own.

[01:12:25] I'm with you, John.

[01:12:27] No, we are a Yord suspicious podcast, although I love the Yord Horde love.

[01:12:35] I hope that I'm wrong about Yord.

[01:12:37] I hope I'm wrong.

[01:12:37] I hope that he's just like a rule follower and not something.

[01:12:41] Yeah, I do think it's fun to have people who are because that's

[01:12:44] a character type that we see in the Wheel of Time, too, is like somebody

[01:12:46] who's really adhered to the rules are not necessarily bad.

[01:12:49] I mean, you brought up Gallaud, but I would say even

[01:12:53] someone where they do something, they do things that end up being bad.

[01:12:59] Right.

[01:13:00] But because their rule followers, not because they're evil,

[01:13:02] you brought up Galad, but I think there's other characters

[01:13:04] who will follow the rules to a fault, right?

[01:13:07] Even more to a fault than than Galad.

[01:13:10] Right, exactly.

[01:13:12] Yeah. And now some people may make themselves look sinister just by,

[01:13:16] you know, trying too hard.

[01:13:18] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:13:20] So we also got an email voicemail from Dork of the Ninjas,

[01:13:24] or Michael, as you prefer to call him.

[01:13:27] Shall we take a listen?

[01:13:29] Yeah, let's do it.

[01:13:30] Hey, guys, just want to give my thoughts on the first two episodes

[01:13:32] of The Acolyne.

[01:13:34] So far, I'm enjoying the series overall.

[01:13:36] I think the mystery is in three.

[01:13:39] But I think that this series is probably going to be

[01:13:41] the biggest excitement of the Jedi Wars.

[01:13:43] And we've seen the entire Dio Star Wars so far.

[01:13:46] Of course, we've already gotten some stuff like that

[01:13:48] for equals and a little bit in the sequel series.

[01:13:51] But this one, this series feels like the biggest, like

[01:13:56] even when the Clone Wars, like showing the failings of the Jedi

[01:14:00] showing that they are much more involved with politics

[01:14:02] than they should be.

[01:14:03] They're much more worried about keeping themselves empowered

[01:14:05] than they should be.

[01:14:07] They're not worried about protecting people like they should.

[01:14:10] They're not worried about making sure the force is in balance.

[01:14:14] They're more worried about, oh, we have to be in charge

[01:14:17] of the force won't stay in balance.

[01:14:19] Feels like there must be a cover up that happened on that planet

[01:14:22] that those four Jedi that may have been targeting

[01:14:24] were involved in somehow, whether by incompetence

[01:14:28] or the situation of a cover up entirely.

[01:14:31] It feels that even Ocean Infect, it feels like

[01:14:35] she wasn't a perfect fit.

[01:14:36] So she felt forced out.

[01:14:39] And I think that because of these failings,

[01:14:43] we're going to see May and Ocean either coming to

[01:14:47] I think a understanding of each other and not.

[01:14:50] And I don't think the series is going to end with the Jedi

[01:14:53] coming out looking like the good guys that you should perform,

[01:14:55] maybe to a small degree.

[01:14:57] But the way that she is playing right now,

[01:14:59] I do not feel like that.

[01:15:00] Yord feels like the biggest crony of it feels like

[01:15:03] the worst kind of cop.

[01:15:04] Cap was very much like,

[01:15:07] we are the guys in charge.

[01:15:08] We're the ones who are right.

[01:15:09] He is like a cop who pulls his gun on every occasion he can.

[01:15:13] And many times if you see him go for his lightsaber before

[01:15:15] anything else before any type of thing goes on,

[01:15:19] we've seen him grab his lightsabers at least four different times

[01:15:21] when no one else was called for.

[01:15:24] Nobody was giving him any true resistance.

[01:15:27] But he had that thing brandished like a cop

[01:15:30] who had a hair trigger who isn't disciplined enough.

[01:15:34] And I feel like this is just the probably the best

[01:15:36] indictment of just showing

[01:15:39] these are the problems with the Jedi.

[01:15:41] And it's a kind of a parallel to real life.

[01:15:44] Just my thoughts on the matter.

[01:15:46] The before the hearing we guys covered.

[01:15:49] Yeah, it's interesting that he brings up

[01:15:52] both Yord and also the fact that the Jedi order

[01:15:57] has a history of pushing people out

[01:16:01] who don't achieve their fit in their perfect box in a way.

[01:16:04] Right. Right.

[01:16:05] Because Yord is obviously trying.

[01:16:06] This is what a Jedi is.

[01:16:08] Right. Yord is trying so hard to fit in that box.

[01:16:11] Yeah, I mean, that's why his hair is so flattened

[01:16:14] to the side so that he can fit in

[01:16:17] the small box that they have them in.

[01:16:19] It's so he looks jaunty, you know, just very calculatedly jaunty.

[01:16:24] Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

[01:16:26] That's why he's so fit. Yeah.

[01:16:28] You know, he's got to he's got to fit into the box.

[01:16:30] Yeah, exactly.

[01:16:32] So Zenos at Zenos H on on Twitter said,

[01:16:36] I guess the nitpick I have for the show is really more of a Disney criticism,

[01:16:40] which is their weird obsession with shorter run times.

[01:16:43] It hurts the world building in my humble opinion, wise and or the exception.

[01:16:47] What do you think about the runtime so far?

[01:16:50] I've been good with the runtime.

[01:16:51] I think that these were appropriate length episodes.

[01:16:55] I don't know about you.

[01:16:56] I did. I mean, the second one,

[01:16:58] I was just disappointed that it was over because I want more,

[01:17:00] but I don't feel like I lost anything in that.

[01:17:04] You know, I don't feel like, oh,

[01:17:06] it didn't tell me enough or something.

[01:17:07] It's just I'm just being greedy.

[01:17:09] I want more. Yeah.

[01:17:10] And I don't know what the rest of the run times are going to be,

[01:17:13] but so far it felt like the episodes were

[01:17:16] as long as they needed to be to tell the discrete story they were trying to tell.

[01:17:20] I don't think that I'm hoping that it's true that

[01:17:24] they are just going as long as they think they need to go each episode.

[01:17:27] I think stranger things, you know, I think they went too far at some points.

[01:17:31] But I think they did do a really good thing of breaking the mold

[01:17:34] of these things have to be the same length every time.

[01:17:38] Right. Because that's the advantage of streaming it up, doing that too.

[01:17:41] Yeah. So yeah.

[01:17:42] But even the last of us is on HBO, too.

[01:17:44] So that was going on.

[01:17:46] I know they don't need to do ads with that with cable, but

[01:17:50] or like when it's on TV.

[01:17:52] But yeah, I mean, the last of us was, you know,

[01:17:55] 45 minutes, one episode, 90 minutes, another episode.

[01:17:57] It's it's I think this is a good trend that we're seeing

[01:18:01] is make the episode as long as you think it needs to go.

[01:18:04] Right.

[01:18:05] Do you want to take the last two feedbacks?

[01:18:09] Sure.

[01:18:09] Davy Mack writes in thoroughly enjoyed this episode one podcast.

[01:18:13] Love, too, that you're dropping in snippets of headland

[01:18:17] has said leading up to the show about politics and the bureaucracy

[01:18:22] of it all, which are things I like to dig into.

[01:18:25] I'm really glad that she is considering those things.

[01:18:27] Makes sense, though, given her previous work.

[01:18:29] I didn't listen to the preview cast just because I like going in

[01:18:33] knowing I like knowing as little as possible.

[01:18:36] So it was nice to get those nuggets.

[01:18:40] Also, reprisonships.

[01:18:42] There's also one that was mostly joint operated by the New

[01:18:45] Republic in Mando season one.

[01:18:49] There was just one operative on board that ship,

[01:18:51] but the rest of the ship is run by droids.

[01:18:53] So there is precedent in Star Wars.

[01:18:56] Oh, and one last thing when the show mentioned

[01:18:59] that the parasite is called a deep book,

[01:19:02] I immediately thought of the Coen Brothers film,

[01:19:04] a serious man, which features a dibook in the opening scene.

[01:19:08] I'm not Jewish, so I don't have a deep knowledge on the subject,

[01:19:12] but I believe a deep book in Jewish folklore is a malicious spirit.

[01:19:16] I don't think headland herself is Jewish,

[01:19:18] but there was a theme around Jewish history and mythology in Russian doll.

[01:19:24] She had to have gotten the name for this parasitic creature

[01:19:26] from Jewish mythology, right? See, I don't know about that.

[01:19:29] Now I got to look this up.

[01:19:31] I think that is.

[01:19:32] Yeah, once he said that, like the name when it was said in the thing,

[01:19:36] it did sound familiar to me, but that's not an area of folklore,

[01:19:39] I especially know much about.

[01:19:41] So a deep book is a wandering spirit of a deceased person

[01:19:44] who has been unable to enter purgatory or paradise.

[01:19:47] OK, OK.

[01:19:48] So maybe because it's a purgatory thing,

[01:19:51] that's why it's like this parasite that keeps you

[01:19:55] keeps you know and possessing, right?

[01:19:57] It's a possessing spirit.

[01:19:59] Interesting. Interesting.

[01:20:00] I didn't know about all this. It's interesting.

[01:20:03] And a good call out on the prison ship in Mando.

[01:20:06] I mean, I guess, yeah, they did have that one operative.

[01:20:09] Probably I like to think it's because of this incident.

[01:20:12] Yeah, it's like when the AI starts to take over too many jobs here,

[01:20:16] where they're like, all right, we need one human on each assembly line

[01:20:19] so that things don't get out of hand.

[01:20:21] Right. Or in Beacon 23 one person and never beacons.

[01:20:25] Oh.

[01:20:27] So, yeah, I also just wanted to say that for the Accolade preview episode,

[01:20:31] I did say I saved a couple things at the end

[01:20:35] for the end of that episode that I thought were bordering

[01:20:39] on spoiler-ish type of speculation.

[01:20:42] And those all ended up being revealed already.

[01:20:44] So basically about the twins about Indara dying right away

[01:20:50] and about the Sith code inherent in what Kymur was saying.

[01:20:55] OK. Yeah, so there's there's now nothing that can spoil you in that,

[01:20:59] which I like. I'm excited about that because that means that

[01:21:03] they're they are going to surprise me. It's not obvious.

[01:21:05] It's not. Right.

[01:21:07] Yeah, it's cool when they they do the marketing

[01:21:09] and they reveal some things if you want to know, they give you a taste of it.

[01:21:12] But it's all done in the first couple episodes.

[01:21:15] And that's what makes us a cool mystery is that there's so many more layers to it.

[01:21:21] Absolutely. So our favorite tool can

[01:21:22] Sceler Marilyn Arpecula wrote in two emails.

[01:21:25] So I guess I'll pause after the first one.

[01:21:28] No, actually put them both together in this.

[01:21:29] Oh, I know. But I know where the second one started because I read it.

[01:21:35] Hello, John and Mary, John and Alicia.

[01:21:38] She's Marilyn. Hello, John and Alicia.

[01:21:41] Interesting new series.

[01:21:42] They seem to be pitching it somewhat closer to the younger Star Wars fans,

[01:21:45] given the age of some of the major characters and the general themes

[01:21:49] of family, twins, masters and coming of age questions.

[01:21:53] I like what I've seen so far and I really like Master Soul.

[01:21:57] My first reaction is I'm very sorry to lose Indira

[01:22:02] in Dara in the bar fight.

[01:22:06] I liked her a lot.

[01:22:07] I hope we see more of her in flashbacks or as a force ghost.

[01:22:11] And how do you figure?

[01:22:12] How do they figure that taking out a Jedi with a throwing knife

[01:22:15] is killing them without a weapon seems pretty weapon like to me?

[01:22:18] Well, I guess that was answered to an episode to right.

[01:22:21] It is it is a weapon.

[01:22:22] It doesn't. Yeah, it didn't count.

[01:22:23] She didn't get credit for that.

[01:22:24] Right. It was partial credit on the.

[01:22:25] Yeah, poison is also a weapon.

[01:22:27] So it doesn't count. Right.

[01:22:29] Right. Getting someone to poison themselves

[01:22:31] reminds me of the first episode of the Benedict Cumberbatch

[01:22:34] Sherlock series, which plot device

[01:22:37] it was inspired by other shows that I'm not remembering at the moment.

[01:22:41] May's instant sandstorm reminds me of a fantasy series

[01:22:44] in which the air to the throne is receiving training

[01:22:47] on a voividing assassins and the number one principle

[01:22:50] that is stated again and again is anything your weapon.

[01:22:54] Yeah, and I do know that Sherlock episode.

[01:22:57] I don't know if you watched Sherlock.

[01:22:59] I watched the first two seasons, I think.

[01:23:01] Yeah, me too. Me too.

[01:23:02] Those were those were the good ones.

[01:23:06] I was also sorry that I had been spoiled about the whole twin thing.

[01:23:10] I would have liked that little bit of uncertainty

[01:23:12] in the first few minutes to try and sort out what was going on by myself.

[01:23:16] Oh, well, no big no real biggie, I suppose.

[01:23:19] May's first encounter with Master Torban

[01:23:22] reminds me of the story of a Buddhist monk sitting in meditation

[01:23:25] when a soldier burst into his room brandishing his gun.

[01:23:28] The monk continues to meditate until the soldier screams at him.

[01:23:30] Don't you know that I can kill you?

[01:23:33] The monk slowly raises his head and replies.

[01:23:35] Don't you know I can let you.

[01:23:37] According to the story, the soldier bows of the monk and goes away

[01:23:40] and the monk continues to meditate.

[01:23:42] I found myself wondering as they were all running around

[01:23:45] a planet in the middle of a snowstorm, if Jedi and their former

[01:23:48] Padawans have instant weather protection.

[01:23:52] It certainly was lousy weather to be out in for more than five minutes.

[01:23:56] Does anyone else think that May's supplier might also be her unknown master?

[01:24:01] Yes, we do.

[01:24:03] You're one the first bad feeling about this prize.

[01:24:08] Alas, it seems as though they're going to use a picture

[01:24:11] of the Jedi Council as being stuck in some sort of group think mentality

[01:24:14] choosing the way of the meeting or the way of quick follow up

[01:24:18] and a quick follow up while the clues are still available.

[01:24:21] I gather that this is an explanation derived from the books or other sources,

[01:24:26] but it's somewhat unimaginative to me somehow.

[01:24:30] I don't know bureaucracy being the death of this system

[01:24:34] is definitely a very Star Wars thing.

[01:24:36] Right. This is how freedom ends to thunderous applause.

[01:24:41] That's a good line.

[01:24:42] I know I know people are like, oh, it's too on the nose.

[01:24:45] I'm like, everything is Star Wars two on the nose. Get over it.

[01:24:48] Right. No, that's a good line. That's one of the classics.

[01:24:51] Yeah. Yeah. And that poor Natalie Portman.

[01:24:54] Do you did you see the poor Natalie Portman

[01:24:56] because fans are garbage is what I'm saying? Right.

[01:25:00] But did you see the SNL bit from when they were doing the prequels

[01:25:04] and they had somebody I forgot who it was, but one of the cast members

[01:25:08] in the audience pretending to be like a crazy Star Wars fan

[01:25:11] asking her a question about why Naboo couldn't do something.

[01:25:16] And she's like, well, you know, just because I'm in the movies doesn't mean

[01:25:19] I know everything, but the Trade Federation

[01:25:21] is this is like really good, like lore based answer.

[01:25:25] Yeah. And it was it was very funny.

[01:25:27] It was a good it was a good opening bit.

[01:25:29] She's she's a super smart cookie.

[01:25:31] I did feel bad for her.

[01:25:32] Like I even knew someone that I knew was she was so Natalie Portman.

[01:25:38] She went to Princeton around the same time I was in college

[01:25:41] and our teams played each other in basketball.

[01:25:43] And so she came to my campus in Philadelphia.

[01:25:47] And one of the girls there was very drunk

[01:25:51] and just started the entire time her asking her, Queen Amidala,

[01:25:56] Queen Amidala. I'm like, oh, my God, leave this poor woman alone.

[01:25:59] She's just trying to be a college student.

[01:26:02] Right. Right.

[01:26:04] Yeah, that's a shame.

[01:26:05] She deserves to have a normal life, too.

[01:26:07] Right. Anyway, Maryland had a second email.

[01:26:12] She said something that I had intended to ask on the Timeline

[01:26:15] podcast and now we'll ask here on this one, since you raised it

[01:26:19] in the first episode breakdown, how are witches defined in the Star Wars universe?

[01:26:23] Are they the only magic users?

[01:26:26] And how is that different from force users?

[01:26:28] Are they only witches if they are women?

[01:26:31] Are they only witches if they are originated on death?

[01:26:33] Amir, is there any content in the definition of witches

[01:26:36] that might be reviewed as spiritual or religious?

[01:26:39] Any clarification, explanation and or discussion would be most appreciated.

[01:26:43] Looking forward to hearing what you folks have to say.

[01:26:46] All the best, Marilyn.

[01:26:47] Alicia, I'm going to kick that which question to you

[01:26:49] because you're the one obsessed with the witches.

[01:26:51] Right. So OK, so witches, as we know them so far,

[01:26:56] first of all, the magic is just the force.

[01:26:58] That's the only real quote unquote magic in this universe.

[01:27:02] They just use the force in a way that appears like magic to

[01:27:07] from our viewpoint, from our own universe,

[01:27:10] the way we see other quote unquote witch characters.

[01:27:13] But they do call them witches.

[01:27:15] Sometimes you often see it being used as a derogatory term in universe

[01:27:20] like we saw in a Soka people calling them, oh, witches,

[01:27:23] but they would call themselves night sisters.

[01:27:25] And indeed up to this point, all witches

[01:27:30] that we know of in Star Wars lore have come from the planet of Dathomir.

[01:27:34] But of course, on Dathomir there are these different sex.

[01:27:36] There are most famously the night sisters,

[01:27:39] but we also recently in stuff that takes place later in the timeline

[01:27:43] met the mountain clan, which are light side users.

[01:27:47] And now we have whatever this new sect is

[01:27:51] that's going to be in this show,

[01:27:53] but we know they seem to originate from the planet of Brendak,

[01:27:57] which is a new planet.

[01:27:59] It's not Dathomir.

[01:28:00] So I have as many questions as everybody else about what that's going to mean.

[01:28:05] I'm very excited about it.

[01:28:07] Yeah, cool.

[01:28:09] Which lore abound?

[01:28:12] Right. And as far as the spiritual and religious side,

[01:28:15] I would say that, yes, they all have their own sort of religion,

[01:28:19] their own spiritual practice, definitely something tying their culture

[01:28:23] together and based around ritual and

[01:28:27] and handing down certain practices.

[01:28:30] Nice. Cool.

[01:28:32] I'm excited for more.

[01:28:34] Yes, me too. Me too.

[01:28:35] Yeah, so we'll be back then next week in this feed with our episode three breakdown.

[01:28:41] And this time we're going to do it.

[01:28:42] We're going to drop it on the Supercast and Patreon feeds one day earlier.

[01:28:47] So that will be dropped there on Thursday.

[01:28:50] And then in Friday, it will be on the public feed.

[01:28:53] Now, as far as what else is going on in the Star Wars

[01:28:56] Kenan Timeline podcast, obviously these weekly releases are going to be

[01:28:59] somewhere in the middle there.

[01:29:00] Mailbag episodes for the previous era.

[01:29:03] So please do send in your feedback about, you know, Donna Jedi, Old Republic,

[01:29:07] High Republic up to this point, if you have that as well.

[01:29:10] And there's going to be at least a couple bonus

[01:29:14] episodes between John and I about how events in the show connect

[01:29:18] with things from previous shows and movies later in the timeline.

[01:29:21] So I've already started my notes, John.

[01:29:24] I don't know if you have things you want to add to that list as well.

[01:29:29] I'm excited. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to there's a lot to say.

[01:29:33] And probably right after the Acolyte is done, then we're going to do in the

[01:29:37] Kenan Timeline podcast feed, a Visions episode

[01:29:41] covering Sith of the Old Republic legends.

[01:29:44] And yeah, look in the Kenan Timeline podcast

[01:29:47] and episode notes for this and you'll see which visions

[01:29:50] episodes will be included in that.

[01:29:53] A lot of cool stuff coming.

[01:29:55] Yeah, I'll throw it over to you, John.

[01:29:57] You want to talk about what's going on in the Lorehouse?

[01:30:01] Yeah, we've been so busy lately that I've stopped doing things ahead.

[01:30:04] I've just been doing the week that we're currently in.

[01:30:06] Yeah, that makes sense.

[01:30:07] So this week on the main feed, we've got House of the Dragon

[01:30:11] season one episode nine and ten, the Green Council and the Black Queen.

[01:30:14] That's our rewatch coverage.

[01:30:17] We have Dr. Who season one episode six, Dot and Bubble.

[01:30:20] That's you and me and Leisha.

[01:30:22] Really good episode.

[01:30:25] The Acolyte, obviously you're here.

[01:30:27] You did an episode on Planet of the Apes, parentheses, Kingdom of the.

[01:30:33] Right.

[01:30:33] So half of it is talking about the original movies

[01:30:36] and then and then half of it talking about the new movie.

[01:30:40] Mm hmm.

[01:30:41] And David did a podcast on Furiosa with Aaron from Radioactive Ramlings.

[01:30:46] He also did randomly a Patreon subscriber exclusive

[01:30:52] podcast covering solo covering the new trailer for the new Alien movie.

[01:30:58] So he's just going crazy over there.

[01:31:01] He's just doing everything on Rings and Rituals.

[01:31:04] Next week they're going to have Traptor Seven, the Eye.

[01:31:07] So the second to last episode of season one of The Rings of Power

[01:31:11] on the Star Wars Count and Time Plane podcast.

[01:31:14] You already did that on Radioactive Ramlings.

[01:31:16] They had Fallout Lore Episode three.

[01:31:19] God bless the Enclave.

[01:31:21] I have no idea what that means, but if you like Fallout, you're going to like that.

[01:31:25] Properly Howard did an episode.

[01:31:27] Back story.

[01:31:29] OK, yeah, yeah.

[01:31:31] Properly Howard Movie Review.

[01:31:33] They did Axel F.

[01:31:34] Anticipation and Listener Feedback.

[01:31:36] They read a bunch of reviews and emails and stuff.

[01:31:38] It was a lot of fun, that podcast.

[01:31:40] And we'll shift us to you.

[01:31:41] Did you you did a new episode on Beacon 23 this week, didn't you?

[01:31:45] Yes, it dropped on over the end of the weekend.

[01:31:50] It was the wrap up for season two and then coming up.

[01:31:53] I have a Monday, I'm going to be interviewing the showrunner,

[01:31:57] co-showrunner of the second season Glamatsara.

[01:31:59] So watch out for that episode to hit Beacon 23 soon.

[01:32:02] And the shift book breakdown is continuing.

[01:32:06] There's two more parts that will come out this month.

[01:32:08] Very cool.

[01:32:10] All right. Well, that's the programming notes.

[01:32:12] And yeah, it's going to be a good season.

[01:32:15] All right.

[01:32:16] I can't wait to talk about episode three with you until then for light and life,

[01:32:20] because that's a cool thing to say.