Era II: THE OLD REPUBLIC – overview

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[00:01:34] Alicia and Bob are back recording this episode, by the way, for the record on May 9th, 2024. So if you found this podcast later in our real world timeline, there might now be other episodes in between this and the last episode we released,

[00:01:50] which was the Dawn of the Jedi overview. And just always making the notes, the content of this podcast was accurate enough to date when recorded, but that might change as more content is released.

[00:02:01] So we will issue update episodes from time to time to cover anything that's been added to or changed. Now, the Quickie intro episode explains how all this works in more detail, and I do also recommend checking out the previous Dawn of the Jedi episode,

[00:02:16] the sort of overview recap of era one. So you have the basis of the founding of Star Wars history and some key terms that we're going to be using in this episode and throughout this podcast.

[00:02:31] Not to mention a look at what you might see in the upcoming movie, right, Bob? Oh yes, indeed. I know that there were some people who were listening to the podcast and didn't realize that there was the Dawn of the Jedi movie,

[00:02:45] so that's going to brighten your day. I'd say it will, yeah. Well, welcome back, Jedi Jedi Bob. Thank you for being with us again. You've been rather busy on your own YouTube channel. What are you up to over there now?

[00:03:01] Oh, I am playing more than one video game. I'm reviewing quite a few Star Wars action figures. I'm behind on my reviews of the Bad Batch animated series from Star Wars, but I'm really trying to crank those out as well and quite a lot actually.

[00:03:20] And the X-Men 97 episodes you've been reviewing? Most definitely X-Men 97. Yes, that too. Yeah, now that's been a really good show. So Star Wars fans, you have Disney Plus. X-Men 97 is worth it. Watch it. So this episode, we will be diving into the second era of Star Wars history,

[00:03:41] the Old Republic. So we're picking up where we left off. And in this episode, we're going to cover the 24,000 years of history of the Old Republic from about 25,000 BBY before the Battle of Yavin. Again, that means before the original movie until about the Old Republic era

[00:04:01] ends at around 1000 BBY. Bob, you called this your favorite era of the moment. What are you most looking forward to talking about? Um, I think mostly my enjoyment has to do with more than one aspect of the force and and those who practice those aspects of it.

[00:04:22] I mean, but there are so many battles and things like that that that are coming up that I mean, I enjoy hearing about as well as talking about it. So quite a bit actually. Yeah, it's I mean, it's quite a packed era in time.

[00:04:37] I mean, sorry, in legends history, but actually I was surprised to going through this how much has been confirmed in canon now? Like I know you were excited about to see some characters that have been referenced now in canon.

[00:04:50] Yes, I read of quite a few back in my salad days and one was Ula Kaldroma and another was Sunrider. So I mean, they're there can and we don't know much about them in the new timeline yet, but they are.

[00:05:08] I do believe mentioned in what's called the Kaldroma epics and not much is mentioned outside of that. We just know that there are Kaldroma epics, but I got really excited when coming across their names. And I think they're actually featured

[00:05:24] in an art book from the Clone Wars season two. I actually have the DVD and me and art books don't really get along that well because I can't see them. But I found that a couple of weeks ago that they are in that particular

[00:05:38] art book and they were going to be featured in the Jedi temple during a specific scene during season two. But that scene was cut. But still, when I heard about them, I was like, oh, wow, that is that is very interesting.

[00:05:52] Yeah, it's that's how a lot of things are being brought into canon now is that they are just someone in a reference book was like, well, this is something I love from legends. So I'll just add it in the reference book as, you know, canon

[00:06:07] and nobody at Star Wars tells them they can't. So here we go. And then hopefully all of this again, as we keep saying, will be fleshed out as we get more canon content on this point in the timeline. Yes.

[00:06:21] Yes, like last time, the way we're going to do this episode, this episode is going to also have a lot of legends again. So like era one, we'll first talk about what has been confirmed in canon and then we'll spend more time talking about some key figures

[00:06:37] and things such from legends that we think might be pulled into canon or that you should just know to keep up with the biggest Star Wars nerds. And I say that affectionately as a Star Wars nerd myself. A lot of this also comes from random reference books

[00:06:53] and like role playing games like Force and Destiny is a tabletop role playing game, which are considered canon, but they might be recons later. So of course, we'll let you know in any update episodes if and when that happens. But what is confirmed in canon now?

[00:07:08] Well, first of all, I want to start with the every age has a circular emblem and the circular emblem of the old republic era is the Jedi emblem. So it's a simplified stylized pattern of curved shapes that suggests

[00:07:23] a bird spreading its wings to leap into the air and take flight. And the bird has a star for its head on the end of a long neck. So elegance, you know, supposed to be strong but elegant sort of figure.

[00:07:37] But it's interesting, though, that the powers that be are dubbing this era of the timeline kind of synonymous with the Jedi. You think that's fair, Bob? I think so. And I really like the way you describe that image.

[00:07:51] Yeah, when it comes to the visual aspects of the different emblems, there's not much to go on. So yeah, Star Wars people let Alicia do the the alt text. Yeah, no, they don't. And it's also these emblems are rather new because it's

[00:08:08] it's fairly recent that they defined, OK, these are the nine eras that we're dividing content into and these are the emblems. And then most of the emblems are pulled from, you know, they are shown somewhere else in the stories along the way.

[00:08:22] But I think it's very telling what they chose to be the image to represent the entire era. So yeah, we did talk a bit about the ideology of the Jedi and our dawn of the Jedi overview, but not so much about their relationship with the Force.

[00:08:37] We talked about something called midichlorians. And basically the Jedi, they're high M counts. They have these midichlorians in their blood that allow them to make an easier connection with the force around them and use that force to do things like move objects with their willpower telekinesis,

[00:08:58] basically, which also they can use on themselves so that they can do massive force jumps, which are fun and video games. They also have commonly some mind influencing powers, particularly on weaker minds. And yeah, well, that's you don't I always do you think do you think

[00:09:16] that they would be able to Jedi mind trick you up? I hope not. I like to think my mind is pretty sound. I mean, I hope not too. But that's one of those things it's like it would be

[00:09:30] I think more of us than we're comfortable with would fall become susceptible to the Jedi mind tricks. Yeah. But they also have an overall heightened awareness of their surroundings and some have special force abilities. This was even more prevalent in legends, but these characters are

[00:09:48] showing up more in canon again. I have the feeling canon seems a little less afraid to get weird these days. Do you think that's the Clone Wars effect? Really do. I feel like it started around some point in the Clone Wars.

[00:10:03] And then, you know, once we started getting into a lot of the Disney Plus shows, which I won't get into here. But yeah, you really start delving into aspects of the force that you might recognize from from the other timeline. Yeah, exactly. I like that.

[00:10:22] You know, it doesn't have to be. We're going to talk a lot about the Jedi and the Sith today in every episode of this podcast. But it's nice to have more variety and also just, you know, let's this is a fantasy.

[00:10:36] Let's just go full in with the mysticism and Dave Filoni, who's basically like the heir to the Star Wars empire. Basically George Lucas is handing him the keys. He's I guess he's proven himself to the executives

[00:10:52] and they're allowing him to get a little more goofy, it feels like. Yeah, I think so, too. It would be amazing to just sit and listen to what he had to say about some of this stuff. I mean, we have gotten into some of it, you know,

[00:11:06] if you've watched him in interviews and other things, but he just knows so much and just it's amazing to be a fly on that wall. So to speak, when it comes to listening to what he has to say. Yeah, I mean, sometimes I get annoyed with him

[00:11:22] reconning certain beloved books, but. I'm not even talking about legends, but we'll talk about that later. Right. Right. But I mean, it's nice to have somebody. It's more than nice. It's essential to have somebody at the helm who is as passionate

[00:11:38] about the world as he is about Star Wars. So that's yeah, that's a good thing where we are blessed to have that. Up. Do you think anyone in this universe can learn to wield the force? It seems to be more and more implied these days, doesn't it?

[00:11:59] It kind of feels like that might be where they're headed. It might be thrice is difficult for some people. Some people may, you know, start down that path and think, you know, I'm going to go do something else. But then again, some people might continue down that path.

[00:12:14] I don't know. It's I think it has a lot to do with that. With that M count. But I mean, that doesn't mean I guess these days that you can't so. I think of it as like flexibility, for instance.

[00:12:27] Some people naturally have more flexibility and it's easier to do a split. But just because it doesn't come naturally to you to do that doesn't mean you can't work at it. It's going to be harder and more painful for you, but you can ultimately achieve the same result.

[00:12:44] Do you get that similar feeling? Right. I always think of me learning how to operate a video camera. You know, it was three times as difficult for me in the beginning. You know, with a lot of a lot of trial and a heck of a lot of error.

[00:12:58] But I mean, I think if you do a thing often enough, you can. A bit better at it, I think. Yeah. Oh yeah, I think that's an analogy with vision is a is a good one because it's not like it's just you you learn to do things differently.

[00:13:16] I guess if you don't have that sight of the force. There you go. Well, we're going to talk about non Jedi force users more toward the end of this episode. But it's and we're also going to talk about people who are low in the

[00:13:32] in the force and but still interested in force stuff and what happens with them. But I'm not considering the Sith non Jedi force users at the moment, or at least for this era, because they're actually a splinter faction of the Jedi.

[00:13:48] And the tale of the Old Republic is centered around millennial long civil war between these two factions. We ended last episode's Canon timeline talk with the formation of the Galactic Republic, which this area will later be called the Old Republic

[00:14:05] from the perspective of characters who live in say year zero. But of course now they live in it. They call it the Galactic Republic and this Republic is closely related to the Jedi Order from the beginning because the Jedi are basically protectors of the realm.

[00:14:19] They're basically force knights. Would you agree? Do you think that's a good way to put it, Bob? I think that's a great way to put it. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they do the designs for the Old

[00:14:30] Republic, because in the new Canon and the High Republic, which we'll be talking about next week, the designs they are looking for like white shining knights, chivalric. So I'm very curious how they'll work that even back more and what

[00:14:51] they'll look like in the Old Republic when we see that the Canon version on screen. Asbro has seriously got to get on the ball when it comes to tactile representations of those costumes because I'm like, I really want to see those.

[00:15:05] Yeah, I mean, I think honestly the biggest difference is color. We'll discuss this in the High Republic, but in the High Republic it's a lot of white and gold coloring, whereas later in the timeline there's a lot of brown coloring like monks. Right.

[00:15:23] You get the feeling it's probably rougher fabrics later and things like that. And so when we see the trailers for the Acolytes, what they're wearing then, and that takes place at the end of the High Republic. So they are having kind of like the white outfits covered with

[00:15:38] brown robes. So it's sort of like this transitional period in terms of Jedi fashion. It's interesting to extrapolate backwards what would it look like now? Yeah, so the Old Republic is in a period of expansion into the outer rim and there comes a period known as the 100

[00:15:55] years of darkness which in Canon is around 5000 BBY. So this is about 2000 years after similar events happen in Legends, but in Canon a rogue Jedi whose name has been quote unquote lost to history. I'll just tell you his name is Agent of Paul in Legends.

[00:16:13] Could be someone completely different in Canon, but this rogue Jedi broke away from the order and he and his followers believed that to achieve their full strength the Jedi needed to explore the dark side of the force. So the force is divided as we talked about into the

[00:16:30] Ashla Boga and Light and Dark and of course there's the Bendu balance aspect too. But those who use the light side of the force they tend to use it through kind of more passive channeling like they're sort of tapping into what nature provides

[00:16:49] and those who use the dark side of the force are more conquering the force and twisting it to their will like they don't accept what nature says is possible. They want to do quote unquote unnatural things. Yeah, one thing I remember George mentioning when it

[00:17:07] comes to light versus dark. I believe he said the light side has a lot to do with with focusing on others, focusing on selfless acts whereas I think the dark side you tend to cling to the things that you want to happen.

[00:17:30] It's more being attached to the outcome you want to see. I think it tends to focus more on selfishness when it comes to the dark side. Right, a lot of the great Sith villains don't think that they're being selfish or they convince they have

[00:17:49] a story, they tell themselves but I'm doing it for the greater good. Yeah, and it's amazing when we get to see inside their heads as it were and see why they're doing the things that they're doing because of course they feel like

[00:18:03] their motives are pure and they are the heroes in their own story. A lot of them. That's how they perceive themselves, yeah. Yeah, that's where I think Star Wars does some of its best storytelling is showing these different perspectives and this is why I love especially

[00:18:21] as we get into more modern storytelling I think outside Star Wars you're seeing it more and more too but just the idea of grey morality. None of us are perfectly good or perfectly corrupt, we are some combination somewhere on the spectrum. Yes, these Sith teachings were considered,

[00:18:46] they actually came from an alien species called the Sith, so they were a species of red-skinned humanoids with face tentacles and these have now been confirmed in canon as well and they were mostly killed out a while ago but it's their

[00:19:04] teachings that this rogue Jedi studied and these are forbidden, considered dangerous, so he was exiled but his following grew. And we have to pause here because we haven't introduced an important concept. What are your thoughts on the Jedi High Council? Well I think the High Council tends to,

[00:19:27] I feel be often cordoned off from a lot of matters. I mean they, to me they feel kind of like islands under themselves sometimes. Right, yeah we see them, when we see them on screen we see them sit or on the page,

[00:19:48] we see them sitting in a sort of circular room with windows looking out high over the top of Coruscant just really kind of emphasizing that they're an echo chamber of their own ideas and just disconnected from the people who actually live beneath them literally. Definitely yeah.

[00:20:10] But I think that does get worse in certain areas than other areas. Do you blame them for exiling this rogue Jedi or do you think they should have handled it differently? I feel like everyone was in the wrong place

[00:20:26] at the wrong time as a fan, it's just kind of like watching an intergalactic train wreck as it were. It's amazing to witness how it's been and to witness how it all shook out. Well just in terms of what I can read about online

[00:20:44] when it comes to articles, I can't wait to actually get into how that might have happened at some point in time. Do you think that the rogue Jedi was right in wanting to also study the Sith teachings?

[00:21:01] I feel like I would need to, at least in the new timeline, get into what drove him to do it. Right, okay. So it's not an absolute, it's a personal, it depends. I think so. Okay that's fair. So yeah, so he left and this led to the formation

[00:21:18] of the Sith with his followers and the start, and this is amidst or at the start of the hundred years of darkness. So for context, this split happens about 20,000 years after the Jedi order formed. So for 20,000 years they were one solid order

[00:21:38] and now this is about 5,000 years before the original movie. So they spent more time being a single order than they spent being Jedi versus Sith. And yeah, for some legends context, this all happens before Knights of the Old Republic, before those games,

[00:21:59] which are in legends set around 5,000 BBY. It does make me wonder if there's a lot of speculation about whether they'll bring Knights of the Old Republic into canon and if they do, might they change up that timeline to make this align more?

[00:22:17] Might Knights of the Old Republic take place slightly later in the timeline? We'll see. So the homeworld of the Sith order was originally Korribon, which is later called Moribant. And this is a world in the outer rim that gets so ravaged

[00:22:36] by endless war that eventually they abandon it, but it still remains a sacred place for the Sith and a burial place for their Sith masters until Darth Bane. And we're going to come back to him in a bit because he's an important figure in both canon and legends.

[00:22:52] But he's the last Sith buried on Korribon or Moribant that we know of, dot, dot, dot. And of course I have to point out also the hyperdrives are invented around the same time, which adds extra fuel to the Civil War and leads to the great Sith Wars

[00:23:12] and the Sith make massive super weapons powered by those kyber crystals we talked about in the Dawn of the Jedi overview and great battles like the Scourge of Malachor, which may sound familiar to fans of the Rebel series and or Darth Maul comics.

[00:23:27] So we'll definitely be talking about that more later in the timeline. But Bob, you said that the Sith are perhaps your favorite group culturally in Star Wars. What makes them so interesting to you? I think it's all of those unnatural abilities

[00:23:44] that we get to hear about as well as witness in the new timeline as well as the other. I think it's the links that they go to in order to cling to their own mortality. The things that they do, the things that they sacrifice

[00:24:06] in order to somehow cling to this mortal coil and it definitely winds up taking its toll depending on the character that you're getting into at a particular point in time. I think they have serious horror movie vibes to them. A lot of them are creepy characters.

[00:24:31] Some of them have become disfigured because of their choices and it's interesting to follow. Great examples as to how not to go down certain paths. Right, yeah, that's something you and I haven't mentioned on this podcast yet. We're both massive horror fans.

[00:24:52] So I'm going to explain some things. Korriban is a fascinating planet for me. I first heard about it in Dark Lords of the Sith. It's a story from Legends and the way that it was described, I remember it sending chills down my spine at around age 14 or so.

[00:25:13] Just such an interesting graveyard of a world. I've always imagined miles and miles of tombs and I'm not really sure what the environment actually looks like visually but that's a fascinating planet to explore. I wouldn't recommend it doing after Dark, but... Is it always after Dark on Korriban?

[00:25:34] Yeah, maybe. Actually we will be visiting this planet later in the timeline so we'll all get a chance to quote unquote look at it together. So looking forward to that. We're going to pause our discussion of the Sith here for a moment though

[00:25:50] because there's another important, mostly non-force using faction that emerges during this era and that is Mandalorians Q. In my head I hear the Mandalorian theme song. Yeah, this is... This is thousands of years before the television show called The Mandalorian is set. They are an old civilization.

[00:26:15] It emerged a little under 10,000 BBY on the planets of Mandalore in the Outer Rim and they are a clan based culture of a variety of species with different clans following different dogmas but they are in general very dogmatic. They are honor bound warriors known for their Beskar armor

[00:26:36] and so Beskar is a type of metal that comes from the planet of Mandalore and it's kind of the source of a lot of their power, wealth and power because it's very... Marvel fans, this is basically like the vibranium of the Star Wars world.

[00:26:52] It's one of the only metals you can use to fight a lightsaber that won't just melt under a lightsaber's blade. And the Mandalorians are also... If you've heard anything about them you probably know them for their distinctive helmets which are inspired by medieval knights

[00:27:11] and their jet packs which are just inspired by coolness and convenience for flight. Are you a fan of the Mandalorians Bob? Ever since I got my first Boba Fett action figure in 1997 are there abouts? Oh yes. We're going to be talking lots about Boba Fett

[00:27:32] when we get to starting with... Yeah, when we get to Era 4. So the Mandalorians are conquerors which led to a war with the Jedi and a whole sector of space being named after them. And the most important figure in Mandalorian history is Mandalore the Great.

[00:27:49] And so after this everyone was called Mandalore with an apostrophe in the middle because that's how you know it's ancient Star Wars. And he apparently rode the giant beast called the Mythosaur which is thought extinct in later eras

[00:28:08] and his battles against the Jedi are still remembered in song and basically he led the conquest of the planet of Mandalore. But the Jedi and the Mandalorians they fought each other in wars that went on centuries but they weren't always enemies. Around 1050 BBY a Mandalorian named Tar Vizla

[00:28:28] was inducted into the Jedi Order and he made a lightsaber with a sword shaped blade called the Dark Saber. And don't worry you're going to see plenty of this saber for yourself later and even more Mandalorians to go with it.

[00:28:42] But the Jedi kept the Dark Saber when Tar Vizla died but his clan sacked the Jedi Temple on the capital city planet of Coruscant to get it back and the Dark Saber was thereafter passed down through clan Vizla, father to son, daughter to mother blah blah blah.

[00:29:03] But and this is a great example by the way of non-force users wielding a lightsaber of sorts. Bob do you have a favorite lightsaber? My goodness. I do enjoy a very familiar double edged lightsaber that we'll be getting into at some point on the timeline

[00:29:24] which is actually also I think taken from a bit of legends continuity. George saw something he liked in legends and was like oh you know what I'm going to have one of my characters wield this but yeah that's one of my favorites

[00:29:39] but I love the sound of the Dark Saber which is another I think all time favorite of mine when I found out we were going to learn quite a bit about it during the Clone Wars which I think that's when we first actually saw it.

[00:29:56] Still remember the first trailer we saw it in and it was I just love the sound of it. I didn't know what it looked like of course because back then I mean there wasn't much audio description or any at all in terms of certain Star Wars projects

[00:30:08] but yeah I love the Dark Saber just as much as the very familiar double edged saber. Oh nice. I guess I didn't necessarily realize that it had a different sound but yeah that makes sense because it's a different shape

[00:30:23] which I don't know you know lightsabers basically are magic anyway it's all space magic in this IP but I don't know how you get a laser to form a sword shape but I am here for it. Me too. But as for the Mandalorians

[00:30:39] within the old Republic era there are wars and for now with a cataclysm that scorches their planet turning it into an uninhabitable desert so they have to build cities and domes and also some live on the other planets that they've collected

[00:30:55] and we don't hear much from that sector for some centuries as far as we know at this point anyway that might change. I also have to mention another catastrophe of this era a lovely forested planet by the name of Mustafar

[00:31:10] becomes a pawn in a magic powered interpersonal drama and gets pushed out of its orbit after which it transforms into the lava planet fans know it for in later stories. So we'll get this full back story when we talk about the VR game

[00:31:24] called Vader Immortal and the Vader series of comics which is set in era five. I may not be able to play that game but I have watched those cut scenes at least twice I think it's one of my favorites in terms of lore

[00:31:38] and what we learn pertaining to Mustafar. Awesome I'm excited to talk about it because it's a fun one I do have a PlayStation VR and I have a background in gaming work myself also VR and I love that is one of my favorite VR games

[00:31:57] just because of the I'm excited to talk about it just they make smart decisions about the VR-ness of it and also it's a nice story that fills out Vader's perspective in that part of the timeline and the Vader comics are also quite good too

[00:32:17] Oh yeah that's what I hear We're going to get all into that but yeah that's another few eras from now but what we know for now is this is how Mustafar was formed which was news to me when I first experienced that Me too

[00:32:35] And meanwhile another culture is growing in isolation and the nearly unnavigable unknown regions of space which we talked about in Dawn of the Jedi overview So we mentioned this group already the Chis and these are the people of a blue humanoid character

[00:32:52] with red eyes we'll meet later named Thrawn and the Chis they're carving out Thrawn is not alive yet at this point but the Chis are carving out their own region of space called the Chis Ascendancy basically in 5100 BBY the Chis Great families unite under one ruling family

[00:33:10] called the Steeblah and they become the first ruling family and there's a lot of drama that goes on in this sort of isolated unknown regions but the rest of the galaxy won't hear from them for millennia because they're sort of cut off

[00:33:25] from the main part of the galaxy but we'll get into what all they're up to during this time when we talk about the Thrawn books which are also mostly set in the 5th era and around 5000 BBY a great temple is constructed on a jungle covered moon

[00:33:42] known as Yavin 4 5000 years later on this moon a battle will occur from which everything else will be dated so the battle of Yavin takes place on a moon that's just being turned into a temple in 5000 BBY Around 4000 BBY the Dark Lord of the Sith named Xarkun

[00:34:06] invents the double bladed lightsaber that Bob was excited about so this is confirmed in canon now and the entire galaxy gets a little bit cooler and also during this era one of the many worlds settled by humans is a world called Naboo

[00:34:24] and it's one of the nicest climates out of any Star Wars planets looks like a lovely place to live but it happens to be occupied by a native species called the Gungans which are like an amphibian species you might have heard of Jar Jar Binks

[00:34:39] Jar Jar Binks is a Gungan we'll definitely be seeing them for ourselves and their underwater cities because this is an important setting at the end of the next era just after the time of the Acolyte so I don't know, kind of hypocritical

[00:34:53] for the Jedi to be mad at the Mandalorians but not the humans on Naboo for their colonial practices what do you think? Hypocrisy is something that the Jedi might be called out on once or twice in the course of their history and of course we have to mention

[00:35:10] the warrior Wookies this is a popular Yeti-like species they're doing their own thing on Kashyyyk they're kind of jungle like planets during this time can you do a Wookie impression? Oh no! I've been trying, okay here I'm going to try it's there you go it's not great

[00:35:34] and I have to say my cats always run out of the room when I try I feel like when I do it I feel like when I do it I sound like the cowardly lion from Wizard of Oz it sounds like someone drowning what? that's all I got

[00:35:52] gotta chill the tongue, chill the tongue I can't trill I actually I had to learn how to trill my tongue because I took voice lessons for a long time and so I had to like start with the going da-da-da-da-da-da and I had to learn to anyway

[00:36:10] if you can do a better Wookie impression than us which is pretty much guaranteed then we'd love to hear it please email yours to SWTimelinePodcast at gmail.com and later I'm gonna put together a compilation of Wookie impressions shared with us and that links

[00:36:28] in the notes as well and obviously I have to point out we are using everyone in the Star Wars world uses as their main reference Wookiepedia which is obviously a play on Wookiepedia and now you know where the Wookie part comes from so if you're looking up Wookiepedia

[00:36:44] that's how it's spelled just another group I want to mention quickly confirmed in canon are the Emoxine Warriors I just find them interesting because they left the galaxy after being defeated by the old Republic and they are mentioned in books from both the High Republic and Era 7 so

[00:37:04] mentioning them in recent books makes me wonder if we're gonna see or learn more about them I feel like they're cooking something up with them yeah absolutely so just mentioning now that if you hear Emoxine Warriors you know that Alicia and Bob are doing Leo pointing meme

[00:37:20] at the screen finally not to be confused with the Sith I just feel like we need to mention that there is a species known as the Bith so this is another species that turns up regularly and they sort of have an insectoid humanoid look

[00:37:38] with like folds down their face instead of cheeks and yes in legends there are Bith-Sith which I hope they bring over into canon because it's fun to say oh me too yeah now as for the Sith picking back up with their story they do at some point

[00:37:56] end up taking the capital planet of Coruscant and thus the galaxy and for a time they are in charge and they're sending their red lightsaber wielding dark seekers to hunt down threats this is called the Era of the Sith and it's unclear when it begins

[00:38:14] but it ends with the Jedi Sith war 1032 BBY so this war the Sith which are also known as the Brotherhood of Darkness they had a member who became known as Darth Bane and Darth Bane is an important figure from legends whose been confirms

[00:38:32] the most important things about him have been confirmed in canon but it's yet to see if any elements of his full backstory change we're not going to go into his full backstory now but the parts that are confirmed in canon is that he saw weakness within

[00:38:46] the Brotherhood of Darkness he saw infighting and greed and by the way a lot of this if you want to learn more comes from the doctor afra comics so we're definitely going to be talking about them later in the timeline and more about this

[00:38:58] the canon version of the story but basically there was a cult of the ascendant who tried to replicate force technology who tried to replicate the force using technology they wanted to use it to destroy the Sith and of course we've got the Jedi

[00:39:16] who are clearly trying to destroy the Sith even though the Sith started out as Jedi and eventually the Sith do fall but the Republic is falling too so they reach an era of dark ages leading into this final war when the Jedi and the Republic

[00:39:34] work together to take the Sith out that's what they think anyway now this Darth Bane the Jedi actually destroy most of the Sith and they leave them intensely weakened and then Darth Bane he makes himself the sole Sith survivor by destroying the rest of the Sith

[00:39:52] so he's basically his ideas he's cleaning up shop it's start over fresh and um something called the rule of two now the rule of two is super essential we'll get into that but I just wanted to point out a couple cool things about Darth Bane from Legends

[00:40:08] are you a Darth Bane fan have you read those books Bob? oh yes I'm actually on I think it's my fourth or fifth reread of the Darth Bane trilogy I just started um Dynasty of Evil okay I mean I think I have I don't

[00:40:26] I haven't read that many legends books but this one but the Darth Bane trilogy has got to be some of the coolest storytelling I think in legends personally because there's stuff like okay so he has something called Orbalisk Armor which is a suit comprised of these near invincible

[00:40:46] parasites that have a very hard shell so they're able to deflect even lightsabers but the parasites they cling to the body using thousands of tiny teeth and feed off the dark side of the force in the person so it's just like painful armor to wear

[00:41:04] you know makes you almost impervious but it also means you can't move around stealthily that you are stronger and more agile and yeah so it's frozen minuses mostly minuses in my book would you wear Orbalisk Armor? oh I don't know if I'd want to be in constant pain

[00:41:26] probably not yeah the Sith are more fun to admire from a distance rather than really experience their existence most definitely I also have to point out from these books there's a planet called Anderon which has a moon Dukeson if I'm saying that correctly and by the way this

[00:41:46] Dukeson is where these Orbalisks are from but the cool thing about it is they are close enough the planet and the moon that they're mixing atmospheres and they have these creatures that migrate flying between them and I just have to point it out

[00:42:00] because I saw foundation do it and season 2 episode 6 called Why the Gods Made Wine and you know I just have to pull a Star Wars did at first moment there because I'm pretty sure that that part's not like most of foundation the TV show which I mostly enjoy

[00:42:18] most of it's not from the foundation books which I have not read much of but anyway yeah the rule of two how would you explain the rule of two Bob? To me it's basically saying there can only be two sisters at one time a master and an apprentice

[00:42:34] one to embody the power and one to crave it Yeah exactly that's this is basically quoting Darth Bane there that's pretty much exactly what he says it's inspired by something called the doctrine of the dyad which there's force dyads that can form which are unique and

[00:42:56] breakable force bonds between two force sensitive people and basically Bane wanted to he wanted to try to force the force into forming a dyad between a master and apprentice and because he and the sith cultists who came after him believed that this would unlock the full potential

[00:43:16] of the dark side of the force but force said no time and time again different sith lords have tried to create a dyad with their apprentice and the force is like that's not quite how it works but we will talk more about dyads first

[00:43:34] we'll talk about force connections a bit more in the Knights of the Old Republic episode because it's important in that game and also in one of those games and also you will eventually see true force dyad form later in the timeline

[00:43:48] Bob if you could form a force dyad with any Star Wars character what would it be? possibly Yoda he's just such a cool little guy I've always really liked his philosophies and just how kind and wise he's often been portrayed as yeah okay now I feel

[00:44:08] like any other answer is wrong that's actually a really good answer I was going to say something like maybe Obi-Wan or maybe someone with a cool ability we'll talk about I always want to call her Sinesdra from the High Republic Renestra? like Renestra

[00:44:34] she hates to be called Vern so don't pull a Jim Varney and call her Vern yeah so basically Bane's idea about this rule of two other than trying to form this dyad he also just wants to consolidate power he wants to keep it simple cleaner

[00:44:54] and the grand plan is to destroy the Republic and Jedi from within at letting the strongest i.e. the Sith master take power in reality a lot of Sith lords including Bane and Legends take a second backup apprentice so they're kind of like hedging their bets

[00:45:12] pitting their apprentices against each other that's something we see pop up a lot definitely do yeah and Darth Bane's apprentice Darth Zana by the way has also been confirmed in canon now but it just basically her existence is confirmed

[00:45:28] in canon so I'm really hoping that they're going to show more of her story her story because I think she's a really cool figure with a complex morality and she's like kind of a bit more witchy which is my vibe that's always been my vibe with her too

[00:45:44] she's always been a favorite character since I had a friend read about her from actual comics before we even got the Darth Bane trilogy oh I didn't even know she was in comics before that okay cool have to look that up

[00:45:58] yeah so hopefully we see her as more than a reference in canon soon but of course she is ultimately as Bane's apprentice she is the one who kills him on Korban the Sith planet and so that's where he's buried the last buried there at this point when she

[00:46:16] kills Bane the Jedi don't realize that she's a Sith because you know they think she's killed her enemy not that she's killed her master so from the galactic and Jedi perspective the Sith have been defeated and they constructs the new Jedi temple

[00:46:32] on top of the old Sith temple and Coruscant and after thousands of years of war there's peace in the galaxy and little do they know the Sith are using this rule of two to just keep on existing past this point stealthily hidden in plain sight

[00:46:48] but don't you think so we talked about the Jedi scourging Mandalore and also knocking out the Sith isn't that kind of a double genocide I mean I know like the Mandalorians they survive in their domes and Bane's the one who finished off the Sith but

[00:47:06] the Jedi are kind of looking like the baddies a little bit too no? I think you're absolutely right yes I think yeah they on the surface I think they are the definition of meaning well but sometimes doing the wrong things for the right reason

[00:47:24] or yeah or maybe it's not the wrong thing because this defeat leads to a period of healing and growth which eventually leads to the High Republic which is the next era we'll be talking about we're not done here we're going to

[00:47:40] take a little break and when we get back we're gonna talk about the Old Republic of Legends and more characters and ideas we think or hope could turn up in canon okay and we're back so we're gonna talk through some of some highlights from the Old Republic

[00:48:16] and Legends and some important figures that we hope might be pulled over some of them have been referenced we'll tell you which but that doesn't mean that every part of the Legends story is true starting with Darth Revan is an important figure

[00:48:32] from Legends who's been referenced in canon but actually we're gonna mostly skip past him right now because Marchen and I will be covering his story in full when we talk about the Knights of the Old Republic games next episode but

[00:48:44] Bob do you know much about Revan? Do you have any thoughts about him? He's actually a very interesting character to me and I can't wait to hear what you guys have to say about him I feel like I've watched more than one friend play

[00:49:00] Knights of the Old Republic at least twice but there's still so much I feel I've yet to learn about this character I recently got his action figure review that on the channel a few months back and I really love the look of him he looks like a badass

[00:49:22] as you would expect. He really does and I like that he wears a mask I think that adds to the mystery Yeah well we'll talk about this in the next episode but one interesting thing about him in the game is that you can play as any

[00:49:36] character so I've heard people say that they wish they had it because ultimately he takes off his mask and he identifies himself and his gender and who he is and he has a story that goes on past that but a lot of people think

[00:49:50] wouldn't it be cool if he just stayed this kind of faceless figure that everyone can put themselves in the seat of and also another, your link to him is Darth Nyliss so I just think that he's an interesting character before becoming a Sith Lord

[00:50:10] he lost everything during the Galactic Republics war against the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders and so he survived the Scourge of Malachor a shadow that obliterated almost everything on and around the planet and made Nyliss crave Force energy so this is a theme that we see coming back again

[00:50:30] and again that the Sith just can't get enough they're just bottomless pits of craving more energy and that can have a, that can have yeah they can basically be like the black hole for the Force especially in Legends and another interesting concept is the Zell Tong War

[00:50:50] for Coruscant so some in Legends I think it's confirmed that the Zell are the first humans it's not confirmed in canon that they're like sort of proto-humans but it is confirmed that the Zell existed on Coruscant in canon the Tong, the species they fight

[00:51:10] against in Legends is not confirmed in canon but they look really badass they almost like their bodies almost look like exposed muscle and then they have like crowns of tentacles on their heads and they end up retreating to a planet in the outer rim

[00:51:26] because obviously I told you the Zells are the humans they won but so the Tong retreat to this planet in the outer rim and they meet Mandalore there and end up following him into the conquest of Mandalore so there are some of the founding Mandalorians in the end

[00:51:42] I wonder if they got a day named after them in canon right now in my BS level head canon they may have lost the war but maybe the Tongs got a day named after them I know we've heard the phrase Tong's days am I right

[00:51:54] and I think that's true it's not in canon the Zells definitely have a day named after them in canon so we have, let's see Coruscant has five days okay just pause the podcast to look this up because this is important it's yeah it's true so there are

[00:52:16] five days in the week there's Prime Day Sentax Day Tongs Day Zell Day and Bendu Day so we've already identified the sources of three of them so I guess that means Tongs confirmed canon right right maybe I don't know how this works tell me Filoni we also mentioned

[00:52:38] the Rakata invaders last time they're an important group in canon sorry they're an important group in legends not confirmed yet in canon but yeah they were basically they were warring it up at this point in the Legends timeline listen again to the

[00:52:52] Dawn of the Jedi episode for a little more information about who they were fighting with and another concept that I'm curious about is I don't know if this came across is this might be from the comics the well or maybe actually no it's in the later

[00:53:08] books isn't it the Lost Tribe of the Sith yeah which I still wish they would put on audio that's mostly in print so I just kind of heard about them I would love to experience their actual story yeah so these were Sith who were shipwrecked before the Sith

[00:53:24] were destroyed these Sith were shipwrecked on remote planet around 5000 BBY in Legends so this is actually around the time of the Knights of the Old Republic games which I'm going to call Kotor from now on because that's what people call it and it's fewer syllables to say and

[00:53:42] and so these Lost Tribe of the Sith they returned later in the timeline and I'm wondering if similar could have happened in canon because it's a really convenient and interesting storytelling device to be honest and I have to bring up one more because Bob I mentioned it

[00:54:00] to you and it made you laugh this is not an important person but has to be mentioned Darth Millennial oh yeah the most emo of the Sith he was a three-eyed mutant Sith Lord who followed in the footsteps of Bane so he was one of you know his

[00:54:18] someone in his line and he lived around 1000 BBY so yeah this is kind of like random weird stuff they probably won't bring over from canon but I wonder who how much that person was smoking when they named him Darth Millennial I have no idea

[00:54:36] for some reason I just hear Napoleon Dynamite's voice in my head whenever I imagine this guy talking I don't know why that is but I do that's fair and I have to give a recommendation to that was just given to me this week

[00:54:50] for anyone who's interested in more details from these legends book there's a Legends Lounge podcast which not affiliated with me and the Lorhounds or anything but I was turned on to them this past week and I've been kind of binging them since they cover a lot of the

[00:55:10] biggest Legends series I assume the point is to cover them all but they have covered for instance the Darth Bane trilogy and a lot of other ones and yeah just a really interesting way to catch up on the books and see which ones

[00:55:26] might interest you if you're interested in reading more Bob I definitely think you would like that podcast oh yeah I'm actually going back and now since they have unabridged audio books so I was able to experience most of Legends sadly in its abridged form

[00:55:44] back in the 90s so I was getting huge chunks of the books just edited out and now that National Library Service for the Blind and the actual mainstream audio market have come in it's been a joy to listen to what I call the extended versions of

[00:56:02] the books of course you guys have always been able to experience them in their entirety but it's wonderful actually being able to see these the way that they were meant to be experienced yeah but I think also not just visually impaired people

[00:56:16] but I know a lot more people who are more interested in making more because of audio books because audio books are becoming more prevalent they're becoming more interesting better production values and this is making people more interested in experiencing these verbal stories but Ben

[00:56:36] I'm glad to see that that as someone as a journalist and translator whose work has often been ravaged by technology and changes in there are some that are really toward the greater good definitely so Bob do you have any other favorites

[00:56:56] that you hope make it into the main timeline? someone I'd love to see in terms of maybe live action animation you know even if it is a cameo is ex-arcune and I mean we've briefly covered him on the podcast but he was in the audio comic adaptation

[00:57:20] of dark lords of the sith from legends he's in the actual comics of course he plays a big role later on in kevin j. endersen's Jedi academy trilogy there are a few adaptations on youtube that someone has uploaded they're from the 90s and one of my favorite

[00:57:38] voice actors who voiced master splinter in the original TMNT show peter inaday he does the voice of ex-arcune in the full cast audio drama and he's just amazing I love that guy does such a great sith what makes a great sith voice? I don't know how

[00:58:00] peter went about portraying him he just sounded so commanding and fearsome very war like and ex-arcune was into war quite a bit peter just really nailed the character when he brought him to life and I think only a way that peter ended it could they did

[00:58:26] hails the Jedi and dark lords of the sith but sadly they never finished off the adaptations with the sith war so I've only gotten to read what happens on wookie pd then this happened then this other thing happened then everybody went home and yeah maybe

[00:58:46] I hope that's covered on the legends lounge because that's actually I've been super enjoying that podcast since I picked it up what would Darth Jedi, sith eye, bob sound like? perhaps a bit like this I'm not sure it's perfect yes it's perfect I'm terrible at doing voices

[00:59:10] this is a skill you have that I do not I just do it for fun while I'm cleaning and stuff when I was a kid I used to do it while playing with action figures with my brothers so we did entertain ourselves for hours yeah no but exactly

[00:59:24] I can hear the perfect impression in my head like sometimes what I'm trying to do certain accents like I can hear oh do a french accent and I call up the voices of my french friends I hear them perfectly in my head but my mouth

[00:59:40] does not form that way I'm not terrible at mimicking in that way and you seem to have a special talent for it I think I based him on Friedan Nadd from those Tales of the Jedi audio comics I think he's got another

[00:59:56] really memorable voice and I just loved it whenever he would talk to Exar Koon and he was like you would be one of the great ones he just had such a great raspy kind of voice not as much as Palpatine but a really fantastic character to listen to

[01:00:12] in the full cast audio dramas from the 90s yeah yeah Sith gotta have that rasp that's important as soon as you decide to become a Sith you have to start smoking 10 packs a day but yeah we teased a little bit that there are more non Jedi and non

[01:00:34] Sith force users so there are different ways to because the force is it's like the air it's just flowing all around you and it's up to you whether and how you want to build a windmill to harness its power so first of all

[01:00:52] I just want to make a couple vocab distinctions we might use in this podcast is that dark Jedi are not quite the same as the Sith a lot of Sith were dark Jedi which is basically you could call like fallen Jedi you know just Jedi that started

[01:01:08] playing with the dark side a little too much but that's different than becoming an actual Sith is different as a whole another step and you might also hear us talk about gray Jedi and this is not a canon term but it's a term

[01:01:24] that a lot of people find useful and it's just basically like I was talking about earlier that gray morality so they're not they don't adhere to either dogma they're just kind of trying to find their own way in the middle I think gray Jedi are my favorite

[01:01:44] yeah I need to read up on more of that concept I've read bits and pieces here and there and nowadays people are like well so and so is actually a gray Jedi and then someone else argues well no this guy over here he's actually

[01:01:58] one of them I need to yeah I mean it's not it's not an official concept but it's but I find it a useful way of thinking because I like to think about you know gray characters there and we'll definitely I'll point out who I think are

[01:02:14] gray Jedi as we talk through all of the story so much story and also another group with questionable morality we'll be talking about are the night sisters we will mention them a lot more as we go we mentioned them in the dawn of the Jedi

[01:02:30] overview but they're basically a group of dark side force users they're often called force witches who we recently learned from a show later in the timeline they actually came millennia earlier to the this galaxy from another galaxy called Pyridia and I don't know I wouldn't rule out

[01:02:50] them showing up in the acolyte we do see in the trailer what seemed to be some sort of force witches but they look very different in terms of the way they're dressed and they don't have that night sisters have that distinctive gray skin with black markings and these

[01:03:08] force witches they just completely styled differently but we also recently saw that on Dathomir the planet of the night sisters there are other groups as well and this was true in legends and now it's been confirmed in canon for example one called the mountain clan

[01:03:28] and the mountain clan also completely styled differently they look kind of like medieval nun types but they are light side users so that was yeah I'm very curious to see what more force witches will show up in the acolyte

[01:03:46] I guess you also like the witchy types don't you Bob? Yes I do I've really had a fondness for the night sisters since first reading about them in the courtship of princess Leia years and years and years ago Yes that is a legends novel

[01:04:02] in which they first show up and then they were brought over into canon by you know Dave Filoni who we mentioned earlier because he likes it weird so I like him Another interesting thing about the night sisters that I really loved was

[01:04:18] one of my friends had shown me one of the Ewok movies and I mean they're not canon or anything but there was a witch in that and when she started doing her thing I remember looking over at him and getting all excited

[01:04:30] and thinking to myself that's gotta be a night sister she's gotta be a night sister and he was like what the heck's a night sister and I'm like oh man I gotta introduce you to some of the books Oh man I need to go back and watch it

[01:04:42] when I was a kid I loved the Ewoks Those of you who don't know you'll meet the Ewoks in the original trilogy era they're little like teddy bear type creatures they're adorable little meat eaters but yeah they had a whole TV show in the 80's

[01:05:00] it's no longer it's now definitely legends and I used to watch it at the time but I haven't seen it since so I don't remember much about it I have never seen any of them There's a movie too Yeah Battle for Endor I think was the one

[01:05:12] that I'm thinking of that featured a character who was later confirmed to be a night sister in Legends anyway so he made the movie for me I was like Ewoks are cool but boy I love this creepy force which Yeah when we get

[01:05:28] to that point in the timeline I definitely gotta rewatch that stuff that I used to watch as a kid even though it's still legends it's uh yeah we don't get much Ewoks because people decided they weren't cool and they're wrong they are very cool they eat people

[01:05:44] I know but anyway that comes millennia later adorable little meat eaters but back in the ancient times there was another group called the shapers of crowbar and we just basically know about this from a wizards of the coast Jedi Academy training manual this is in legends

[01:06:06] but it's just another example of force users who are not Jedi or Sith but they claim to be similar in tradition to the night sisters and we also had on the dark side the sorcerers of Rand R-H-A-N-D and they they didn't acknowledge the force they said

[01:06:26] they worshipped the dark with a capital D and their concepts they just basically wanted to end the entire universe they're the nihilists not to be confused with Darth Nihilists and on the light side we've got for example the Beren d'Osages so these are now canon this group

[01:06:46] of precognitives from the planet of Doran so they are Keldor is their species so this is like a character you'll meet in the prequel trilogy era called Plowklune but the Beren D'Osages were this is again the Jedi being questionable the Jedi would come and take

[01:07:06] their strongest force users to train them as Jedi and that weakened the sages so the Jedi are kind of weakening the other force users around them because they're competition for the best talent and yeah we also have the Daeguion masters they were a group that were strong

[01:07:26] in the force but they were not warriors they focused on knowledge intuition and the harmony of the universe so these are some people that I want to be able to hang out with their pacifists and we'll see them in the Clone Wars and we'll also see

[01:07:42] even more soon we're going to talk a bit in the High Republic Overview episode and then see them again later about a group called the church of the force and also the guardians of the wills this group a lot of people will especially know a certain badass

[01:08:00] the fine force monk character that we meet later in the timeline these groups also exist in the High Republic and yeah we're just going to keep bringing up more such orders as we work through history because as we said both Bob and I find them

[01:08:14] interesting I think others do too and as I mentioned before there are also plenty of non-force users who have wielded lightsabers like Grievous is a character we'll meet later and we'll talk about the Mandalorians who have the Darksaber the Vizla clan and

[01:08:36] apparently it's just if you try to wield a lightsaber and you're not strong in the force it's the weapon feels heavier and you have to be more careful because you don't have the extra senses attuned to help you avoid hurting yourselves with this laser blade

[01:08:52] this unprotected laser blade but there are a lot of people who we've talked about none of them are trying to be Jedi but there are those who are weak in the force and do try to become Jedi or try to do something with the force and

[01:09:10] few of them actually end up as actual Jedi there was a in earlier times around there were the Jedi services corps was there to sweep up younglings and padawans who didn't pass their tests and put them to humanitarian work and soldiering later on during the Clone Wars

[01:09:28] so we know that there are reference books that have this as legends it's become canon now as well so basically most non-force sensitives got to be aids to the Jedi and for the Sith it was even worse especially the Sith race if you were a

[01:09:46] Sith and you could not wield the force then you were just like the lowest of low do you have anything to add Bob? I think you've covered it very well well we'll keep bringing this stuff back up as we go any last thoughts? I think it's

[01:10:04] just such a fascinating time period and I hope that we get to see more of it and animation live action hopefully books and hey maybe eventually audio comic adaptations which I wish there would be more of yeah yeah they

[01:10:22] it would be cool if they did more of that in general I've been myself just appreciating more audio form of stuff just because I can do it while I'm cleaning listen to it while I'm cleaning while I'm biking, while I'm doing other stuff okay that's a wrap then

[01:10:40] on the old Republic overview and next time Marchion and I will take a deeper dive into the nights of the old Republic games and the new Republic MMO a semi-gray area that's like canon adjacent but still definitely legends and then after that Bob and I will be back

[01:10:58] with an overview of the current High Republic canon with special attention to characters or concepts that will likely be important for the Acolyte series now for now we're just going to keep this to an overview of the High Republic era and keep it light on the book spoilers

[01:11:14] because once the books are finished and people have had time to catch up then we're going to jump back and look at that in a bit more depth I definitely suspect the Acolyte's going to trigger more people to want to read these High Republic series of books

[01:11:31] Oh I think so very much Yeah so we'll definitely jump back before season 2 of the Acolyte which no I don't have any knowledge of confirmation of there being a season 2 so showrunners want that to happen and I don't see why it wouldn't Yeah I feel the same way

[01:11:50] And then finally we're going to wrap up the Acolyte prep series with a talk about season 1 of Young Jedi Adventures It's a cute little show for preschoolers so we're just going to talk about the whole season at once but there's some things worth mentioning

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[01:14:56] I thought this is where HBO wanted us to like pick sides and fight and stuff don't worry I'm sure we'll find plenty to disagree about on the pod but we seem to agree on one thing we both really like the show the politics the drama

[01:15:08] the lore it was made for the Lorhounds and since we just finished recapping season 1 we couldn't be more ready to defend our black queen in the dance of the dragons and with the season pass option in Supercast listeners can get early ad-free access to each weekly

[01:15:24] scene by scene deep dive plus our custom show guide with all the characters and connections see you in the Lorhounds podcast feed each week for our dragonfire hot but probably positive takes the Lorhounds house of the dragon covers is also safe for

[01:15:38] team green consumption side effects may include a deeper understanding of dragon lore a hardened conflict with itself and an inescapable urge to read the book fire and blood by George R. R. Martin dragon seeds may experience burning