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[00:01:05] a heart in conflict with itself, and an inescapable urge to read the book fire and blood by George R.R. Martin. Dragon seeds may experience burning. Welcome to Willshift Dust, the adaptation analysis podcast. This episode is for all the silo slash Hugh Howey fans

[00:01:51] or just space sci-fi fans in general. We're going to be giving you a spoiler-free preview of Beacon 23, the new adaptation of the Hugh Howey novel about space wars and strange encounters premiering this Sunday, November 12th on MGM+. And who is we?

[00:02:07] I'm your host, Alicia, representing the book readers for our coverage of this show. And with me is someone I know our silo listeners have missed. Welcome back, Luke. How have the past couple months been treating you? Oh, they've been treating me well. Thanks, Alicia.

[00:02:20] So once again, I am going to be the fountain of ignorance on the podcast. I have not read the books as is per usual. So I will be coming into this cold, really looking forward to it, actually.

[00:02:34] Like I put on what used to be Twitter the other day. I'm looking forward to getting back into the extended Howey verse. Yeah. Well, I mean, I have to say that I feel like I'm going in colder

[00:02:45] on this one than with silo based on what I've seen in the trailers. There are hints that there are, you know, they're taking things from the books. But yeah, as David on the lower hands, always likes to say it's closer to inspiration than adaptation because, for instance,

[00:03:00] the list of characters, there is not a single character name from the books. OK. And this is not a series of books, is it? This is a book. This is a single. It was a series of short stories, but like a serialized

[00:03:13] tale with the same central character and it was turned into a book in 2015. OK. Are you excited about it, Luke? Well, yeah, I am because it's got Lena Heady in it. I was getting very strong Seraconna Chronicles energy from the trailer because everybody instantly goes

[00:03:35] off Lena Heady, Cersei Lannister. But for me, Lena Heady will always be Seraconna. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a big I can't believe that ended after two seasons. That's right up there with Firefly in terms of things that were prematurely cancelled.

[00:03:53] That's a second reference I'm hearing to it, I think this week. Yeah, I guess it was last week, the Lord Hounds. David and John got to interview Bear McCreary, who was the composer of the Seraconna Chronicles amongst many other things.

[00:04:07] I would just like David and John to know that I am dying of jealousy right now. I've turned green here. Yeah, it's a really good episode. Definitely recommend checking that out in the Lord Hounds feed. But yeah, also anyone who is curious about the book,

[00:04:22] Abby and I are breaking it down in the book club. You'll find that episode coming out this week as well. Now, so the show for anyone who is not familiar yet, it follows the official description is Beacon 23 follows two people, Lena Heady's Aster and Stephen Janes's Hallon,

[00:04:39] whose fates become entangled after they find themselves trapped together at the ends of the known universe. Heady's Aster mysteriously finds her way to a lonely beacon keeper on his lighthouse in the darkest recesses of space, attends Battle of the Whills unfolds as James's keeper begins to question

[00:04:56] whether Aster is friend or foe as her ability to disguise her agenda and motives could make her a formidable opponent. So yeah, it's on. It's being aired on MGM plus, which is what Epix is now called in the US and in Europe, MGM plus

[00:05:16] has taken over Lionsgate plus, which I happen to subscribe to. But to be honest, the marketing department has not been super communicative. So I am not 100 percent sure if it's going to be releasing in Europe. So and they did not get back to us about screeners.

[00:05:35] So we're just basically operating a don't ask, don't tell policy. VPNs exist. Well, I'm just saying they didn't get back to us about screeners and we are a big deal. And this will reflect poorly on MGM.

[00:05:49] I mean, don't don't they know that we talked about Silo for so many hours? So many hours. We're owed every other Hugh Howie adaptation. Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, it's the book, as I mentioned, was five short stories that were then gathered into a solo book in 2015.

[00:06:08] And yeah, the book itself even more than Silo feels like it was short stories put together, like those, you know, these all these mini arcs that come to a conclusion before the next story.

[00:06:19] And I was just reading an article in Inverse that was saying that someone who has seen the season said that the season takes a similar sort of approach, that there are many arcs in each.

[00:06:33] And you know, there might be one episode might be more of a thriller and another might be more of a romance, that sort of thing. And you were saying you were saying in the little episode you did

[00:06:44] with David previewing it that it's a bit more sort of offbeat than Silo was? Yeah, there are some quirky elements. So I am wondering if they will be transferred over. Okay. Interesting. But yeah, so the the series was first announced in 2018

[00:07:01] and Lee Nahidi and Stephen James were named leads in 2021. And it began filming in 2022 in Toronto. Luke, when did you first hear about the series? Well, I've got to be honest. I heard about it when you told me about it.

[00:07:16] And I think that's to do largely with the fact it's on a smaller, more out of the way platform because it wasn't originally going to be on MGM. Was it? MGM picked it up? No, well, it was going to be on AMC, which also,

[00:07:30] which is slightly more established with like The Walking Dead and interview with the vampire and stuff, but they are American only also or even more so than MGM plus. So yeah, it's the battle of the little platforms.

[00:07:44] But basically it was produced by Boat Rocker for Spectrum Originals and AMC. But Spectrum decided to move out of original programming and AMC decided to scale back on there. So they took a tax cut and several productions were cut free, put on the market,

[00:08:03] and this one landed at MGM plus. Okay. One thing I am curious about is, you know, Hugh Howie was quite involved in the development of Silo. Is he as involved in this? No, no, definitely less involved. I mean to a certain degree, but no, definitely.

[00:08:21] And I do think this is going to diverge a lot more from the book. But I guess maybe fewer people have read that book. And to be honest, I like the book, but I'm happy to like a show if it does its own thing.

[00:08:34] And I do think from the trailer that there are things I see them picking up from the book. So I just hope that they keep to especially the ending of the book because it asks such interesting questions.

[00:08:46] Yes. Okay. So we have Lena Headey who is the most famous face in front of the cast. And that's of course, Cersei Lannister from Game of Thrones. Definitely picking up that like Hugh Howie, heroin, baton from Rebecca Ferguson.

[00:09:04] Yep, definitely we're in the Hugh Howie vest top as well from the trailer yet. But yeah, in the books, it's mostly just from the perspective of the male character who's played by Stephen James. I'm not familiar with his work before, but he's been on a lot

[00:09:22] of things like if Bill Street can talk, homecoming surface on Apple. So I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. You've been here with him? Oh no, I hadn't heard of him before to be honest.

[00:09:35] And this looks like it's going to be a bit of a two-hander. Like they seem to be the main characters throughout the whole show. I mean, if it's like the book, it should be that but it does seem like there are

[00:09:49] well, there are a lot more characters that we see in the trailers and scenes. Although obviously the clips that we've seen mostly come from one episode. So we are going to be talking through giving a brief description of the trailers and the scenes

[00:10:02] in just a little bit. So yeah, this show actually they filmed already two whole seasons. Wow. So somebody's got a lot of faith in it then? Well, yeah, it was going to be on AMC and they renewed the second season just so that

[00:10:17] they could film back to back because that makes it cheaper to film. Okay. So we know at least we're getting two seasons. It was produced by Boat Rocker, like I said. And Boat Rocker, they're known for invasion.

[00:10:30] And by the way, I just wanted to say I have gotten a couple emails about covering invasion and I see them and thank you for the suggestion. It's not an adaptation so we won't be covering it and I have to admit I haven't watched it

[00:10:43] either but I take the recommendation and am bumping it up the list. What about you, Luke? Uh, no. I haven't watched it yet. It's on the list of things to watch probably when I get through the when I get through for All Mankind, which I've just started.

[00:10:58] Hmm. I love that one. I'm just at the beginning of. Okay. Yeah. And yeah, new episodes start this Friday. Oh, do they? Okay. Did you watch Orphan Black when it was on? I watched a couple of episodes of it. I didn't.

[00:11:13] I can't say really grab me to be honest. Sacrilege. Okay. It's, I love that show. I love that show because I mean, it's, it's a lot of it comes down to the lead Tatiana Mislani.

[00:11:25] Say if any fans of Orphan Black are missing it, definitely check out their next chapter podcast where she comes back and then in later seasons more characters reprise their roles and they've just continued the story. But yeah, there's also going to be a spin-off in AMC.

[00:11:38] And yes, I will be watching. But this show it was the showrunner is Zach Penn, who was also the head writer. And he's especially known for Marvel stuff like X-Men two and three, other comic bookie type stuff like Free Guy and Ready Player One.

[00:11:56] He tends to co-write a lot of his stuff, which he did here as well, plus other writers wrote episodes. And this is his second TV show after Alphas, but the first time as official showrunner. So, but that's he was only,

[00:12:10] he was a creator and the showrunner for the first season. But then in the second season, the person you're going to see doing all the press is Glenn Mazzara, who was the walking dead showrunner and Joy Blake, I think best known for the resident.

[00:12:24] So they apparently took over in season two due to scheduling issues. That's going to be interesting actually, because with them being filmed back to back with different showrunners, you're really going to be able to see,

[00:12:34] you know, what changes and what doesn't. And one set of showrunners liked about the source material. Might not be what the other set of showrunners really liked about the source material. Yeah, no, I'm very curious to see, to compare the two seasons once we get the chance.

[00:12:50] We've got eight episodes a season and I'm assuming the same for season two. We're going to talk about our exact coverage more at the end, but we will be covering the episodes

[00:13:00] not on a strictly weekly basis, but two to three at a time with some ongoing Dune coverage in between. We hope that you'll be watching. If you haven't gotten a chance to check out the trailer and

[00:13:11] the three clips from the first two episodes, you might want to click those links in the show notes and give them a look right now. We're going to be describing them all briefly in the next section and sharing our spoiler free thoughts and expectations for this show

[00:13:25] right after this quick commercial break. Okay, so I'm going to do a quick speedrun through what we see in the trailer and then we're going to talk a bit about it. So we open with Lena

[00:13:42] Hedi as Aster in some sort of stasis pod and Stephen James as Helen comforts her saying she survived a spaceship crash and we see a flashback to him running through his beacon, holding a spear like object and a bright light blooms outside the windows,

[00:13:57] a purple explosion visible in the aftermath. He tells her they're on a beacon and we see it from the outside, a tall structure with several floors wrapped around it and layers of lights spiraling out from the base floating in an asteroid field. Aster looks out the windows of

[00:14:13] the glow of the galaxies visible in the distance commenting on the view and then informs her host that she arrived at his beacon on purpose. She's asking for access to some unnamed

[00:14:23] data and he's not about to give it to her. We see her snooping around with a flashlight, picking up a rock like object that emits a glow in a science lab and then someone phases

[00:14:35] into view like a solid hologram. It's Harmony played by Natasha Mumba. Could this be some kind of communicator? She asks if something's wrong and Aster says the beacon keeper isn't cooperating. He's hiding something. A group enters the beacon and a woman says there's something

[00:14:52] valuable here. We see Aster and Hallen running and then one of the new people shoots at bulletproof glass separating them as they discuss with Harmony whether or not they can cooperate with each

[00:15:03] other, let alone the new people. We see glamour shots of our two leads in a moving picture frame with an old man standing outside a lighthouse as waves crash around it. Harmony tells a

[00:15:14] doubtful Aster that what happened to her ship was an accident and we see a tiny asteroid's pummeling what might have been her ship. A flash of a person possibly Aster in a rowboat on a lake

[00:15:26] as she says, I think it's all connected and then she tells Hallen that they were both meant to come to this place. A flash of an older woman writing sciencey things. A young girl with a doll, triangular shapes ships blazing across space in formation leaving rainbow wakes.

[00:15:43] A woman with a gun, Aster kissing another woman, Steven Root looking shocked, someone pounding on glass, someone else choking. Yet another person looking shocked and sad all flash by along with glimpses of people falling helping each other, more ships with rainbow

[00:15:59] wakes and the trailer ends with Hallen asking Aster who she is. She does not answer. Title card beacon 23 premieres November 12th. Luke was the trailer what you expected going into the show or did you expect anything going into the trailer? I didn't really expect anything going in.

[00:16:18] The two questions that sort of instantly pops in my mind the first time I watched the trailer is are Hallen and Aster both real or is one hallucinating the other because that would be

[00:16:30] the classic lighthouse, a long isolation sort of a moon type thing where one character basically manifests the other. I thought we've obviously got the character you described, the computer interface. Yeah Harmony but I don't know I think Harmony might be a real person but then maybe

[00:16:53] like someone back at he keeps talking about the ISA maybe she's the representative of the ISA which I'm wondering if that's the standard in the book if he worked for NASA so I'm guessing

[00:17:03] ISA is the show version. Okay well I sort of took her to be the show version of Hallen. Yeah okay but then in the clips we meet that other the Bart I thought that was Hallen.

[00:17:17] Yes yeah that's true actually so there might be multiple artificial intelligences at work here. Kudos on spotting Stephen Root because I hadn't spotted him it took me several times to

[00:17:30] spot Stephen Root and Stephen Root is one of those actors. I was a big office space fan so yeah it's a mark of quality Stephen Root is in a thing you're in safe hands.

[00:17:43] Now I'm very curious to see what role he's playing because we just see him like at a desk. Yeah and I've got to say the other question that sort of jumped in my mind and I'm a bit

[00:17:52] worried about this is what is going on with Lena Heady's accents? I don't know what accent she's attempting but it's like it's a proper like Monty Python you know there's trouble at mill

[00:18:05] so he's going to have to skew on Dreadle kind of accent. I actually saw a comment on the trailer somebody said her accent is heaven. I have no idea what that accent was supposed to be.

[00:18:18] Okay James Corden sorry for anyone who doesn't know it was an inside joke from a previous episode. Okay so yeah so there was a few interesting things so there was in the book I was talking about in that

[00:18:33] preview episode with David that there were the like quantum entanglement messages they're called QT messages and I'm wondering if this harmony character is a way of taking that but visualizing it you know having a human visual representation of it that just plays better on screen.

[00:18:56] Yeah I think that makes sense because like in a book you can obviously have a lot of text messages back and forth whereas on a on a TV show you do need to sort of humanize that you can't really

[00:19:07] be asking the audience to do too much reading. So yeah that makes sense. I like the idea of the beacons as just as a cool concept because if you are doing if you have gotten to the point

[00:19:25] where you are doing interstellar travel you would actually need both for communications and for sort of guidance you would need those kind of relays and I like the little detail you dropped

[00:19:35] in the show with David the other day that we're not supposed to call them lighthouses but every person I like that. Yeah we'll see if they say that in this show too. Who do you think the

[00:19:46] group is that boards the beacon in the trailer? I mean they look they look military or paramilitary. I wonder if they're mercenaries. I wonder if they have some links to Halleann's past because

[00:20:00] it's sort of revealed in one of those clips that we're going to talk about the He's X military so I wonder if there's a link to his past in there somewhere. They look like they know what

[00:20:13] they're looking for. Right. What do you think that is? Well I'm thinking if it's an asteroid belt maybe there's mining. Okay. Yeah that was my first tour because also there's the shiny rock

[00:20:27] thing and that would fit with the shiny rock. Yeah what do you I mean because the rock was it wasn't just shiny it was like glowing from within which I have to say that rock is there is a

[00:20:39] significant rock in the book and I kind of hope that they are linking it somehow because I kind of like that aspect of the book but it's not glowing like that so I don't know your guess is as

[00:20:52] good as mine. Okay. What do you think Lena Headey's character asked her once? She said she went their own purpose. Yeah I mean like I say I don't know I the first question I've got is is her character

[00:21:06] real because I think she might be like I said before I think she might be an figment of Halleann's imagination. Okay. Assuming she is real does that really does that really weird little segue in the

[00:21:21] trailer where Halleann asks where are you going and she's oh I was I was coming here anyway as if like it's a really sudden I mean the way she says it I took that you're not supposed to buy that as

[00:21:33] a genuine explanation because it just seemed like she said the first thing that came into her head okay and also like if she were deliberately going there presumably the ISA or NASA or whoever would

[00:21:46] have told him that your relief is on the way so it wouldn't be a surprise when her ship crashed. Yeah it clearly kind of was. Yeah okay did you see by the way those weird like reverse vacuum guns

[00:22:01] that they were using at some point it was like this hose that was like pushing out puffs of force. Yeah I like those those like yeah because it's think about it they would they would sort of work

[00:22:14] on I mean I don't know how about the science of it would work but if you're dealing with an environment with artificial gravity then presumably presumably you can miniaturize that technology to create like a gravity gun and also let's face it it's a really cool special effect.

[00:22:30] Yeah no I'm very curious to see if they explain this or see this in action and see what other weapons or other technology they might have incorporated. And there's a really cool bit where Helen sort of

[00:22:41] dodges out of the way of like a gravity ball thing that is shot kind of sort of sidesteps it that looks really cool. Yeah no I think it's in any case this show is going to be visually pleasing.

[00:22:56] Yes. And good acting it seems so far and by the way there's that flash of that living picture of the lighthouse and that is directly from the book. It looks a bit different than I pictured it in my

[00:23:07] head where I thought that like the man figure would be more central and the wave like dominating him but yeah I'm interested to see if they incorporate incorporated into the show with the same meaning but the fact that they included it at all means probably they will.

[00:23:22] Okay. And yeah there were the three clips shall we talk through those these all came from the YouTube site Movie Guru so I'll have the links in the show notes. Yeah somehow this site did manage

[00:23:36] it to get the press department right back because they not only have these three exclusive clips but they also have an interview with Glenn Mazzara who is the showrunner for the second

[00:23:46] season again. So okay summarizing them one at a time in clip one. Holland appears to be in a holding cell and Astor walks in with pills for him or something he seems to call prints later

[00:23:59] and these are to help with the noises and throwing things she says he refuses them though. Suddenly the door to the cell shuts closing Astor inside much to harmony surprise as well. Bart and AI I'm assuming though this is not in the book Bart won't respond.

[00:24:17] Holland is amused and tells Astor she's made a tactical error referencing his military history. Astor says the pills which they seem to call prints are for his PTSD and tells the audience

[00:24:31] he went AWOL. He doesn't trust her and doesn't want to take them. He accuses her of just wanting some rocks. It was a big risk coming back here he says she disagrees. What were your

[00:24:43] thoughts about this clip? Yeah I mean the way she says not really at the end that is like that is a woman with a plan that is a woman who's thought this all the way through.

[00:24:54] I didn't take them as pills I thought they were like they looked to me like they were sort of knick-or-rette patches kind of thing. Okay it sounded like you call them prints or

[00:25:05] something but they were in a little cup which is why I thought the pills because you know you get little pills in the hospital. Yeah and I mean one of the things that I found

[00:25:15] striking about all the clips and the trailer is the station looks really good like the interiors of the stations somebody's clearly spent some money on this and I was also thinking like you know how does this relate to silo and Hugh Howe clearly has an abiding interest

[00:25:33] in artificial environments right like how people react to living in artificial space. Yeah it seems to be like an interesting through line in his fiction or at least what I've seen

[00:25:47] in his fiction so far that that is a theme of it. Yeah as I was saying in the Lord Hounds teaser episode I think it partly has to do with the fact that he spent years sailing

[00:25:59] around the world by himself as part of his job so you can see that especially in this book in particular where there's a lot of like sailing references and obviously he's calling the beak

[00:26:11] in a lighthouse so. Yeah you can tell he's clearly got an interest in what happens if you put characters under environmental stress to start off with. Yeah so do you have any thoughts about

[00:26:24] the representation of PTSD do you have any hopes? Yeah I mean yes and this isn't particularly a gripe with this it's more of a gripe in general but PTSD can manifest itself in a whole host of ways

[00:26:40] yeah and it seems to be it seems to be stereotyped in fiction that it's a lot of shouting and throw you know like it says in the clip the shouting and the throwing things. Yeah that can

[00:26:51] sometimes be how PTSD manifests but that's not that's not the full range of how PTSD can manifest. Yeah well I have to say the PTSD is a central theme in the novel but he doesn't really do shouting

[00:27:06] and throwing but there is the other part where she talks about like oh for all the little noises I think the first part of the book is called Little Noises and it's about how those are

[00:27:17] getting at him but I yeah he wasn't shouting or throwing things so I'll be very interested to see how they handle it and I'm also curious about whatever these prints are how often then do they

[00:27:28] need doses because she's saying he went AWOL which is also interesting like versus the book he is he's a war veteran also in the book but he just said after he served his duty and he

[00:27:42] got you know why I won't spoil anything just in case but he asked NASA like to be reassigned somewhere quiet and that's how we ended here but this is making it sound like he ran away

[00:27:56] and somehow got here so I'm very curious and how often do you need these prints? I think she might have meant when AWOL from her ran away from her disappeared inside the station rather than when AWOL from his military service. Okay maybe maybe maybe because how would

[00:28:16] she know as far as we know these characters have only just met so like how would she know that? Yeah well that's she says she went there on purpose so what does she know about him

[00:28:29] what is her goal so I guess that's what we're gonna find out in the first two episodes all right uh shall we talk about clip two? Yeah so in clip two Aster who has her hands tied tells

[00:28:40] Bart the apparent AI played by Wade Bogart O'Brien to tell the invading group to back off the lab equipment while Harmony stands there unable to do anything Bart asks them if they'd like to

[00:28:52] reconsider his offer to suffocate them instead but then the wrecker is into the system and he shuts Bart down Harmony tries to interface with Bart and we see a trippy particle visual effect that might be meant to represent quantum tunneling but a warning message flashes system compromised

[00:29:12] what are your thoughts on this one Luke? Well my thoughts on this one were daisy daisy give me a rest it was very how and it's like anytime you introduce an alien in the in a

[00:29:26] movie now it has to sort of call back to or react to alien every time we introduce an artificial intelligence computer with a voice yeah automatically think of is this how is this

[00:29:39] anti-how um so I thought that was quite interesting I mean I thought the way they sort of chose to to represent it seemed like pretty standard fare of how that's normally done on TV

[00:29:54] um I like the idea that you could have these parallel relationships between two human characters and two AIs developing on parallel tracks I think that could I think that could lead to quite an interesting dynamic I don't know that I agree that Harmony's an AI but we'll see

[00:30:13] okay but yeah it's also interesting that you know the main character really is named Hal in this iteration there are more characters around in general versus the book it feels like but I'm

[00:30:26] assuming hoping we'll start with that like sense of loneliness uh but I can understand why you want more people for you know the character to play off of and by the way I referred to the one guy

[00:30:40] as a wrecker and that is a term from the book but um it is also what this guy is credited so I will not elaborate on what that means until the show does but that's what it's called okay all

[00:30:54] right the third and final clip a young soldier apparently a character named chick played by JD noel is doing the rounds Hal gets his attention from the other side of a glass barrier like the

[00:31:07] one from the trailer and he signals chick to be quiet about it but chick calls the alarm to the other characters named battle and big face and tells them there's someone in the airlock

[00:31:19] he trains his gun on him and the rest of the crew gathers around and opens the door capturing Halon Aster sees all this on a monitor the woman who seems to be leading this group in the trailer

[00:31:30] canady played by Marnie McPhail says that Halon is not a beacon keeper and her partner battle played by Polino Nunes agrees he's military and asks him why he's locked up he retorts why don't you

[00:31:45] wait until isa shows up and you'll find out big face Danny Gloopsh yes speaks a language I don't recognize with a sneer and chick translates that big face is looking for some protein

[00:31:57] Halon is non-plust he says he has med kits and pillows they can take and ultimately admits he has money too but it takes five hours to pass through the whole station and isa will arrive

[00:32:08] before that but Halon says he can do it himself in five minutes all he wants in return is that and he points to some kind of capsule with a chair inside battle says that spit bubble won't get

[00:32:21] you anywhere but Halon doesn't need to be anywhere just not here what were your thoughts on this final clip Luke I thought this was really interesting because I thought this this sort of

[00:32:32] this sort of set me off as to what world building was because A why have all these people got sort of slightly weird esoteric names and also when he says he's looking for some protein

[00:32:45] does he mean that to like steal protein packs from the station or does he mean to take protein from Halon like directly yeah that's how I was I think I thought the implication was she

[00:32:56] wanted to eat Halon but yeah but they're like protein packs in you know the key eats protein rations in the book so it could be that too or both double and tondra yeah and like why would a

[00:33:11] beacon why would a lighthouse have a significant amount of money like what would that be for well it seems like that would all be digital anyway yeah I mean he does have to do trade

[00:33:25] with you know passing ships to get supplies and things like that although I guess you know that I guess that's mostly delivered I don't know we'll see I'm very curious what the whole yeah apparently

[00:33:34] Q bits is the currency in this yeah by the way that's that's a that's a battle star galactic irreference isn't it yeah it's also what you call like an a quantum computer it's what you call

[00:33:46] the bits okay mm-hmm what do you think the chronological order of these three clips is that's an interesting question I don't know I guess the one with the medication must come first but I

[00:34:00] don't know about the other two yeah I mean the big question is asked her in this one is watching this play out on a monitor so why is she free yeah so I'm very curious about that and I'm also

[00:34:15] curious about the fact that they say that he's not a beacon keeper he's military so why these are not like these are mutually exclusive things because in the book the military is the ones who keeps the

[00:34:29] beacons so yeah I mean I took that to mean not that he was like serving military but they could just tell by his stance by his bearing by his manner that he had been military

[00:34:44] yeah I get your point about why why would it be one not the other but I think they were talking about his demeanor rather than his position if that makes sense okay yeah but yeah I don't know why

[00:34:57] they would say not a beacon keeper because is it not the military who runs the beacons so that's just a world-building question I've been and the other question why would it take them five hours to

[00:35:09] pass through the beacon and him only five minutes like what what is this about I'm assuming there are some sort of security yeah security countermeasures that he can unlock but it would take them like

[00:35:21] five hours to break them I must be biometrics or something like that yeah and I think yeah the capsule is the lifeboat is an important thing from the books where it's the way he kind of tools

[00:35:34] around locally in his sector so it's interesting to see that yeah it looks cute so it's not really a lifeboat it's sort of more like a rowing boat attached it's like a launch right well yeah that's

[00:35:46] it's a lifeboat yeah but yeah he uses it when he needs to go somewhere locally yeah so that's all of basically the marketing materials we've seen for this show so far it doesn't seem like

[00:36:01] they're heavily marketing it but I can understand based on the fact they just pick this up and they're just a fledgling new no I've got to say I spent a considerable amount of time trying to look for

[00:36:12] a second trailer because I assumed there must be one but there's only the one trailer which is which is somewhat concerning to be honest well I mean we just because it doesn't have a big marketing

[00:36:27] force behind it doesn't mean it's not a good show yeah that's a retry this is again the production company The Maid Orphan Black which is one of my all-time favorites so yeah I'm curious I am

[00:36:39] already braced knowing that it's going to be different from the books that's I'm fine with that I will be as we did with Silo I'll be pointing things out book differences once we've

[00:36:50] passed that point in the show once something's been revealed in the show only then will I bring up something from the book otherwise I think I'm going to be playing guessing games just as much

[00:37:00] as the rest of you cool well it's nice to know that you are only this far ahead of me instead of being that far ahead of me for Silo so it's going to be interesting this is going to be fun

[00:37:15] okay so I have some lightning round predictions I'm going to ask you to make but and some final materials we'll talk about what's going on with this feed and beyond right after this quick commercial

[00:37:27] break so Luke are you ready for some lightning round predictions I'm just going to ask you a question and you just say the first thing that pops into your head go all right Aster good guy bad guy

[00:37:44] Lena Hades character imaginary character okay so you would say part of Helen Psyche then yeah part of Helen Psyche okay I think I don't know yeah see I'm trying to slot her into one or maybe multiple

[00:38:02] several different characters in the book so I'm going to go with complex yeah complex okay will there be a romance no no not in season I'm not saying it won't happen but I don't think it's

[00:38:14] season one all right I think I think so what's the glowing rock something they're mining on the asteroid hmm good guess what's the weirdest thing we might see I still think there are two

[00:38:30] artificial intelligences here and like you talk about romance I think it would be really cool to have a romance between two artificial intelligences actually I'm down for that that would be yeah that'd be fun will there be aliens I'm gonna say yes because if they're soldiers that implies

[00:38:50] they're fighting somebody or something so I'm gonna say yes I hope so and oh and the weirdest thing I hope is maybe some aliens and I also maybe hope there's something weird about the rock

[00:39:04] which I won't get into will there be animals yes and I'm basing this purely on silo in an environment where you didn't think there would be animals there's one animal character in the

[00:39:26] books that I hope shows up in the show no signs yet but we'll see will there be cleanings no no I hope not because if there are that would sort of imply that you have a thing for like suffocating

[00:39:45] his characters which is a bit disturbing well considering they're in space I expect maybe at least one character is going to suffocate at some point and yeah there in the void of space

[00:39:58] all right well we will be as I said covering this show not exactly week per week we're gonna do this next week we're gonna put out an episode breaking down the two episode premiere and then

[00:40:12] we're going to talk about episodes three through five together and then six and seven before the holidays and we'll come back just slightly a few days later than we would otherwise to cover

[00:40:25] the finale at the start of the new year but to make it up for you we're already discussing our winter holiday special that will be posting in the meanwhile so that should be hopefully a fun

[00:40:37] extra I am really looking forward to that yeah I'm really really looking forward to that yeah well I guess we can say what it is we're gonna be talking about the different adaptations of

[00:40:50] It's a Wonderful Life which is based on the story The Greatest Gift and on the book club there will also be A Greatest Gift audio drama that Dead Eye Jedi Bob is working with me on so yeah you have

[00:41:02] never seen It's a Wonderful Life I've never seen the Jimmy Stewart version of It's a Wonderful Life Wow never not once so I'm excited yeah and I'm curious to see these other adaptations that we're

[00:41:15] looking at are everything from like the one from the 70s to a Hallmark one to the Muppets so and yeah and also we're already talking about in January our coverage for The Three Body Problem

[00:41:28] on Netflix the new adaptation of those books I would say the trailer for that looks absolutely amazing yeah I'm very curious and it's Dan Weiss and David Benioff to bring us full circle we are

[00:41:42] back to we're back to Game of Thrones so yeah I'm very curious they have a lot to prove after people being mad at them for the end of Game of Thrones yeah I always choose to focus on the

[00:41:56] good bits the good Game of Thrones rather well hey when they were adapting from books in Game of Thrones it went well so now they are adapting from a finished book so yeah trilogy

[00:42:08] actually but I'm assuming the first season will be the first book I don't know yeah and on the book club uh this week we'll have the Beacon 23 breakdown episode coming out with Abby and then Abby's

[00:42:19] going to continue with me doing the rest of the Silo series so next up is Shift and I would like to thank by the way since the last episode we've had new Silo's in

[00:42:29] Kimo S and Elsa W join so thanks so much for moving into the Silo and we can't wait to have you at our regular meetings now on the Lorhounds to talk about other news on this network there was recently

[00:42:44] our episode for the MC Universe on Werewolf by Night which is just a personal pet love of mine so it's a quick watch on Disney if you're curious about Odes to classic monster films

[00:42:58] watch that you can give this a listen and of course our ongoing Loki coverage with the season finale coming up this week and also coverage of the marvels which I'm going to see tomorrow in the

[00:43:08] theater and also there's going to be in December there's going to be some one shots like the creator is one that we've recorded and Napoleon one shot and yeah they're keeping up with the book nook stuff with the Silmarillion and the Earthsea series from Ursula K. Le Guin

[00:43:26] also on the network properly howards they just finished their season covering a bunch of remake movies now it's one of those shows where you have a scholar and a comedian and you don't really even

[00:43:38] have to have seen the movie you can just listen and have a good time and they're actually teaming up with David and John to start a new Severance podcast which has its own feed there was a

[00:43:48] trailer dropped in here with a preview so you can check that out if you're curious now Luke where can everyone find you so me and a couple of friends from uni do a podcast called it could be

[00:44:01] said that looks at UK and international politics we've been on a bit of hiatus lately but I think we're picking up again later on this week people can find me on the site formerly known as Twitter

[00:44:16] at Luke Foster Middip they can also find me at Blue Sky same name thank you by the way Alicia for the link to Blue Sky I am staying on the site formerly known as Twitter all the way

[00:44:28] until it finally collapses in a big pile of flaming ruins sipping martinis as we watch it go exactly as Elon sets the world on fire basically and also you were recently on an episode of the

[00:44:43] rex and Texan yeah so I was a guest on a show called the rex and Texan which is kind of both a review of English Lover League football and the FX series welcome to rexum with Ryan Reynolds and

[00:45:01] Ron Macklehenny I did a guest episode on that it was really fun so check that out rex and Texan um that's all my plokes have you got anything else yeah you can find me on twitter as well

[00:45:16] at Alicia CB I'll put both of those links in the show notes and yeah you can also find me on Blue Sky and all the other social medias under that same name we'll see you back here

[00:45:27] next week to break down the first two episodes of beacon 23 Corbinic and Wreckers until then 99th and don't let the space records bite