Elysia helps Luke unpack all the surprises for show-only viewers in this wild and brutal season finale – while representing book readers in doing a celebratory dance of all the book elements finally being shown on screen! They dive into the Operations of Silo 1, "Troy" and Victor's many cryptic facial expressions, and all our questions for listeners at home. Along the way, the community weighs in on everything from inside intel on the accuracy of Daniel's Congressional service and last episode's Portland references to fan theories that drill down to the most essential worldbuilding questions still on the table and/or have Luke handing over his tin-foil supply for hat-making.
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00:26 --> 00:39 [UNKNOWN]: Hello, and welcome back, or for the first time to the WorldShift Dust podcast, I'm Alicia, your resident book reader, who's been Troying all season to wait patiently for the finale so that I can talk about that title.
00:39 --> 00:41 [UNKNOWN]: I see what you did there.
00:42 --> 00:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm Luke Kusha, only fan representative, who had no idea what a Troy was, but now I definitely can't wait to talk about the side of those season three episode 10, even though my heart is breaking frankly.
00:55 --> 00:57 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and so many shattered pieces, I'm sure.
00:57 --> 01:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they got a lot in this episode that's like, I know the book readers are squeeing to, so.
01:05 --> 01:09 [UNKNOWN]: But before we continue Luke, what is our spoiler policy for this podcast?
01:09 --> 01:12 [UNKNOWN]: So the discussion will be spoiler free beyond what's already aired.
01:13 --> 01:16 [UNKNOWN]: So full spoilers through three seasons of Silent.
01:17 --> 01:20 [UNKNOWN]: Um, Alicia has read the book, but I'm keeping it show only.
01:20 --> 01:22 [UNKNOWN]: Alicia can bring up anything from the books.
01:22 --> 01:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's already happened on screen, but to protect my and your, uh, spoiler and essence that we know future books boilers.
01:30 --> 01:38 [UNKNOWN]: Except, we are allowed to discuss the in-show, universe, short story, the mystery of the pairs by Robert Sims.
01:38 --> 01:44 [UNKNOWN]: See, our separate bonus episode, break down at that surprise, Apple book, short story from last month.
01:46 --> 01:56 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, this show always leaves lots of room for speculation for even book readers like me so I promise that any speculating I do is genuine and if I can't discuss something I simply won't.
01:57 --> 02:07 [UNKNOWN]: But if you do want the full spoiler discussion and deep dives into how this all relate to the book version of the story and what what we think is going to happen next based on that.
02:08 --> 02:13 [UNKNOWN]: Then I do have a separate book club podcast with fellow reader Abby stick around until the end.
02:14 --> 02:16 [UNKNOWN]: of the episode for more information about that.
02:19 --> 02:30 [UNKNOWN]: Future editor Alicia with a quick additional spoiler note since Luke and I have recorded this episode, the season four teaser has been released.
02:30 --> 02:34 [UNKNOWN]: It is out there, just wanted to assure anyone who was worried about it.
02:34 --> 02:40 [UNKNOWN]: We will not be talking about that at all in this episode because we had not seen it at the time we recorded this.
02:41 --> 02:54 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and actually we're not going to talk about it in our season rap episode either after the season rap we're going to release an additional separate episode where we discuss the, uh, season four trailer.
02:54 --> 02:59 [UNKNOWN]: So, keep an eye out for that, uh, but for now, you're safe from any of those spoilers.
03:00 --> 03:01 [UNKNOWN]: All right, back to it.
03:04 --> 03:10 [UNKNOWN]: But, Luke, before we get into this episode, you got a nice piece of mail.
03:10 --> 03:13 [UNKNOWN]: I did, I got a very nice present from a listener.
03:13 --> 03:19 [UNKNOWN]: Um, okay, we have to read the email was from Archie Belanka.
03:19 --> 03:19 [UNKNOWN]: Hi, guys.
03:19 --> 03:21 [UNKNOWN]: Love the podcast us in every week.
03:21 --> 03:26 [UNKNOWN]: Just wanted to give Luke a heads up, which I hope will be a peasant surprise.
03:26 --> 03:29 [UNKNOWN]: As a little token of my apesiation,
03:29 --> 03:32 [UNKNOWN]: for entertaining me every week during silo season.
03:32 --> 03:37 [UNKNOWN]: I send you a little gift to the address I found for Saint Andrews Online.
03:37 --> 03:47 [UNKNOWN]: I couldn't recall if I put my email in the notebook inside so figured I'd email you to dispense any mystery for when you get to work and see you have a delivery from a fan.
03:47 --> 03:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure you'll find it dot dot dot dot.
03:50 --> 03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Pezicularly appropriate.
03:54 --> 03:58 [UNKNOWN]: little birdie emoji, and so what is the gift?
03:58 --> 04:00 [UNKNOWN]: So, thank you very much, Archie.
04:01 --> 04:05 [UNKNOWN]: I did get the path you did arrive at my office, and it is a pez.
04:06 --> 04:09 [UNKNOWN]: Not only is it a pez, but it's a ducky pez.
04:09 --> 04:11 [UNKNOWN]: It's incredibly the one that's in the show.
04:12 --> 04:16 [UNKNOWN]: So thank you very much for that, because Alicia says those are actually quite hard to get.
04:16 --> 04:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we were just talking about that on the discord.
04:19 --> 04:33 [UNKNOWN]: So, what we are, what myself and Alisha are planning to do is when we do our season round up, we are going to do our live peds taste test on the episode to dumb get a sample on my very first peds.
04:35 --> 04:36 [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be earth-shattering.
04:36 --> 04:37 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure.
04:37 --> 04:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's going to be a life-changing experience.
04:40 --> 04:43 [UNKNOWN]: You will remember your sister in the deep freeze.
04:46 --> 04:59 [UNKNOWN]: I also wanted to we have a lot more feedback at the end of the episode and then we will have a separate feedback episode and season wrap up in about a week but before we got started there was another kind of thematically similar
05:00 --> 05:11 [UNKNOWN]: silly, we love your silly, send us your silly email from Jeremy from Melbourne, Australia, who says, you have a wonderful, unapologetically deep diving show about my favorite TV show at the moment.
05:11 --> 05:14 [UNKNOWN]: I apologize for writing this email for only two points.
05:14 --> 05:17 [UNKNOWN]: One, to thank you for continuing with this amazing podcast.
05:17 --> 05:18 [UNKNOWN]: It really helps me enjoy the TV show.
05:18 --> 05:19 [UNKNOWN]: Well, thank you.
05:20 --> 05:23 [UNKNOWN]: emails like this really help us enjoy doing this podcast, too.
05:24 --> 05:42 [UNKNOWN]: And, too, to hypothesize that sometime in the future, there is going to be a machine that clones multiple copies of our favorite multi-billionaire, and it would be named da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
05:45 --> 05:50 [UNKNOWN]: I am truly sorry for establishing contact for solely this purpose, but seriously, I can't wait for the finale.
05:50 --> 05:55 [UNKNOWN]: Many other shows would understandably, and the season with the Nuke exploding to our benefit.
05:55 --> 06:01 [UNKNOWN]: Not this show, regards in genuine thanks, and I promise, hey, I did not write this email, Jeremy.
06:03 --> 06:04 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Jeremy.
06:04 --> 06:07 [UNKNOWN]: We love, we love, we can send us your silly.
06:07 --> 06:08 [UNKNOWN]: We like silly, yeah.
06:11 --> 06:20 [UNKNOWN]: But on the more serious side, there's also a few fun facts that are maybe slight corrections that we need to issue, what's the first one?
06:30 --> 06:32 [UNKNOWN]: Miles over my head.
06:32 --> 06:42 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's that was the tour guide Helen's tour guide from the last episode said he was from hottest in a town little town no one's heard of and yeah okay that's where the studio is.
06:42 --> 06:46 [UNKNOWN]: We even called it out in the first season but that was literally years ago.
06:47 --> 06:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
06:50 --> 06:58 [UNKNOWN]: I also have to say that I was regrettably corrected by someone citing AI.
07:00 --> 07:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I looked it up on real science websites and it appears this is true that while it is true that Georgia has hot spring activity Apparently the Georgia hot springs are not hot enough to use for power Oh, so you can't get geothermal electricity from them
07:20 --> 07:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think the writers are with us and maybe not realizing that, and I'm okay with that.
07:29 --> 07:37 [UNKNOWN]: But I will just acknowledge, find the person who cited it by checked for unreal science websites from written by humans and apparently this is true.
07:39 --> 07:57 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we also, we missed a fun Easter egg calling it out at least last episode where did you notice when pair play by Colin Hanks starts to play on the piano when Thurman's like doing the practice speech and she's like, stop it, you know, pay attention.
07:57 --> 07:59 [UNKNOWN]: He's playing chopsticks.
08:00 --> 08:01 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, from big.
08:02 --> 08:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because
08:03 --> 08:25 [UNKNOWN]: his dad Tom Hanks was so big yeah yeah that's one the thank you internet for bringing that to our attention or making us think about it I guess um and another thing people point it out that I find very interesting we still even after this episode we have the question of who was texting Daniel pretending to be Charlotte
08:27 --> 08:44 [UNKNOWN]: And, um, you know, it seems like pair got a call at just that moment, and that already sets off my red-haring alarms, and people have been pointing out that Henry was actually messing with his phone in the background that whole time.
08:45 --> 08:45 [UNKNOWN]: Oh!
08:47 --> 08:58 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, Henry, Henry might be our sort of stuntin' for Bernard and Robert Sims at this point in terms of the baddest and bad baddies at the moment.
08:58 --> 08:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you think?
08:59 --> 09:00 [UNKNOWN]: More interesting.
09:00 --> 09:08 [UNKNOWN]: It's either going to be Henry or Peer possibly, yeah, possibly Victor, but we can't ready to use Victor going forward.
09:09 --> 09:15 [UNKNOWN]: All right, I mean, we're gonna, yeah, we're definitely gonna get into all of this because another candidate has entered the ring, too.
09:15 --> 09:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm allowed to talk about that.
09:17 --> 09:17 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
09:18 --> 09:18 [UNKNOWN]: Madam director.
09:18 --> 09:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, cool.
09:20 --> 09:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:22 --> 09:25 [UNKNOWN]: But before we go on, we just two more fun things.
09:25 --> 09:32 [UNKNOWN]: One, we heard from the tortured florist, paint and pdx on blue sky, who said, Portlander here.
09:32 --> 09:38 [UNKNOWN]: So this is about the references in the last episode, the Daniel was making to the projects
09:41 --> 09:45 [UNKNOWN]: They said the references to the Burnside Bridge were very accurate in timely.
09:45 --> 09:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's for placement is currently planned as it's very old and not seismically safe.
09:50 --> 10:06 [UNKNOWN]: The Oregonian is the biggest newspaper here, and, quote unquote, the nicest home in West slope sounds a little wonky, but technically okay, it's a real place, but I've never heard anyone refer to it as their neighborhood, more like a geographic feature.
10:06 --> 10:10 [UNKNOWN]: most folks from here just say what quadrant they live in.
10:11 --> 10:15 [UNKNOWN]: But overall, it sounded like they hit the details better than I would have expected for a TV show.
10:16 --> 10:21 [UNKNOWN]: Although someone else pointed out that the Oregonian is known as a little right leaning.
10:21 --> 10:23 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
10:23 --> 10:25 [UNKNOWN]: Wait, let's see, would she say?
10:26 --> 10:28 [UNKNOWN]: Final, final girl said,
10:29 --> 10:37 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, not to us, just in, uh, in general in blue sky, nice shout out to the Portland, the Burnside Ridge and the Oregonian in Silo, apparently Helen writes for them.
10:38 --> 10:43 [UNKNOWN]: People should know however that while they were going in as Oregon's biggest newspaper, it's right wing, and terribly biased.
10:43 --> 10:47 [UNKNOWN]: I read, uh, Portland, Mercury instead.
10:47 --> 10:55 [UNKNOWN]: So, anyway, thank you for all those Portland insights, and I last point of order before we begin
10:59 --> 11:01 [UNKNOWN]: someone on Reddit brought up something that I've been thinking about.
11:02 --> 11:06 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think that they did with all the dirt they dug up out of the silo?
11:07 --> 11:10 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say idea 47 brought this up on Reddit.
11:11 --> 11:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and I think Bob on Blue Sky actually came up with the same answer I would, which is they used it to establish the farms.
11:21 --> 11:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and bank the soil to make those berms, I guess.
11:24 --> 11:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
11:25 --> 11:26 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
11:27 --> 11:39 [UNKNOWN]: And, uh, yeah, Barb also says, uh, so it's, cello and so it went to the nearest landfill where it was used as cover and we'll build another mountain of trash that will produce methane for decades.
11:39 --> 11:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's things decay and then some day will be mine for precious metals.
11:43 --> 11:47 [UNKNOWN]: Might maybe, but I think they'd have to be in the silo for longer than 500 years for that.
11:49 --> 11:52 [UNKNOWN]: fair to be worthwhile fair fair.
11:52 --> 11:54 [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's get into the episode itself.
11:55 --> 11:57 [UNKNOWN]: It's season three episode 10.
11:57 --> 12:03 [UNKNOWN]: The finale, Troy 61 minutes, a woman at less than last week, which is the longest of the season.
12:03 --> 12:10 [UNKNOWN]: And this was released on Friday, September 4th, 2026, an Apple TV directed again by Amber Tempelmore.
12:10 --> 12:12 [UNKNOWN]: We've talked about her a lot.
12:12 --> 12:13 [UNKNOWN]: She's one of the main
12:17 --> 12:30 [UNKNOWN]: This time, the writer was writing was credited to Fred Golan, who is also credited for the season one finale outside, obviously a favorite of a lot of people, and season two episode two order.
12:30 --> 12:38 [UNKNOWN]: And obviously, this is all based on the side of series of books by Hugh Howie, most notably the main trilogy, wool, shift, and dust.
12:38 --> 12:40 [UNKNOWN]: And the very simple plot summary is
12:41 --> 12:43 [UNKNOWN]: a leader wakes to a new world.
12:43 --> 12:51 [UNKNOWN]: Now, look, I need, I should have had you like, I almost wish that we just had you recording reactions as you watched this one.
12:53 --> 12:55 [UNKNOWN]: I could watch everyone's reactions this episode.
12:55 --> 12:58 [UNKNOWN]: My reaction to this episode was very much.
12:59 --> 13:27 [UNKNOWN]: The same was my reaction to season 2 episode 10 when we cut away to Washington, they said, well, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
13:27 --> 13:48 [UNKNOWN]: deserves an award for this episode because the way the way he plays that's that split character is brilliant because it's not Daniel but Daniel is in there somewhere and the whole episode made me think of Star Wars
13:50 --> 14:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, because you have the opening shot of Daniel in the good, which is very much, which reminded me of Darth Vader in the back tank, um, the way, from Obi-Wan, the way it was shot, and it's the whole thing of Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are two people, but one kind of inhabits the other, and I think Daniel and Troy is very much the same deal.
14:18 --> 14:19 [UNKNOWN]: Troy is,
14:19 --> 14:22 [UNKNOWN]: the dominant personality or the dominant director.
14:22 --> 14:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's the Darth Vader and this is the dominant character.
14:25 --> 14:32 [UNKNOWN]: At the moment, but you can see Daniel is still in there, and that's what's heartbreaking about it.
14:33 --> 14:37 [UNKNOWN]: And the columnist with which Troy
14:38 --> 15:04 [UNKNOWN]: Schlauthers, silo 17, is really, really chilling, you're having really, really showing, you know, I don't also, when he's talking to, when he's talking to the silo venues at the end, when they reach the vault door, there is something in that performance, the very much reminded me of Anthony Hopkins,
15:06 --> 15:28 [UNKNOWN]: And the Anthony Hopkins can do this thing where he can blink and it's the entire set of his face Changers and Ashley Zuckerman has got that same skill of being able to do like a thing with his eyes I can't quite describe but all of a sudden the entire like tone of his performance shifts without him having to say anything.
15:29 --> 15:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's it's it's really well done
15:34 --> 15:38 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm very, very mixed feelings about Victor at the stage.
15:38 --> 15:40 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I really don't know.
15:40 --> 15:42 [UNKNOWN]: Are you starting to see why he's a favorite character?
15:42 --> 15:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I want to hate him, but I kind of don't.
15:47 --> 15:48 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and
15:49 --> 16:04 [UNKNOWN]: What is going on with Charlotte slash Susan and yeah, can we if any apple I know this is already been filmed so can we yet like a very very early We'll take the animatic.
16:04 --> 16:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll take the animatic, but I need to know what's going on.
16:08 --> 16:10 [UNKNOWN]: I can't wait a whole year.
16:10 --> 16:12 [UNKNOWN]: This isn't fair.
16:15 --> 16:21 [UNKNOWN]: I do think it's funny, after all of our Jeff talk last week, Victor was the only one who died.
16:22 --> 16:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I will say this, never have I been more relieved to know in advance the season 4 is already been filmed on his in the camp.
16:31 --> 16:34 [UNKNOWN]: Because I don't have to wait like weeks to go.
16:34 --> 16:35 [UNKNOWN]: What happened?
16:35 --> 16:37 [UNKNOWN]: That can't possibly be the final episode, can it?
16:39 --> 16:40 [UNKNOWN]: It is not.
16:40 --> 16:40 [UNKNOWN]: It is not.
16:40 --> 16:46 [UNKNOWN]: And it's also you because they were able to write and film these side by side.
16:47 --> 16:51 [UNKNOWN]: That means that they were able to really make connections between the seasons.
16:52 --> 16:57 [UNKNOWN]: So even though we got so much this episode, still a lot of it is set up for next season.
16:57 --> 16:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
16:58 --> 17:06 [UNKNOWN]: I kind of kind of just ask in previous episodes, you've said that there was an event that you didn't think that they were going to have time to get to.
17:07 --> 17:09 [UNKNOWN]: Did they get to the event?
17:10 --> 17:12 [UNKNOWN]: And they, it has to do with the safeguard thing.
17:13 --> 17:19 [UNKNOWN]: And it's very, this whole thing with the pipe didn't happen or happens.
17:20 --> 17:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's easy, yeah, it's very different.
17:22 --> 17:25 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm not going to talk about that until next season.
17:25 --> 17:29 [UNKNOWN]: And they'll see, I don't know if they're going to change things or
17:31 --> 17:39 [UNKNOWN]: like some, some things like there's, there's something that the whole Lucas and Juliet on the radio thing is from the first book.
17:40 --> 17:44 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, the, the, the, the comprehensively shuffled the order that.
17:45 --> 17:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
17:46 --> 17:49 [UNKNOWN]: So, um, yeah.
17:50 --> 18:06 [UNKNOWN]: But I did expect, you have the width of Victor's death, I thought there was a 50-50 chance that it happened in this episode or it happened at the start of next season, but I knew it really kick starts obviously this story on the side of Daniel Troy.
18:09 --> 18:18 [UNKNOWN]: You, by the way, I'm going to give you some partial internet points, you said that the opening scene would be Daniel and Helen not being able to remember each other and you were close.
18:19 --> 18:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, except it's Daniel and Charlotte.
18:20 --> 18:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, potato potato.
18:24 --> 18:37 [UNKNOWN]: But I was just thinking as I was rewatching this episode to make this note, to make these notes, what if this, like, the first 25 minutes of this episode, what if that had just been the start of this series?
18:38 --> 18:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, so we go back to season one and we see the whole season through, so we see a large part of the season through Sino-1's perspective.
18:48 --> 18:49 [UNKNOWN]: That would be interesting.
18:50 --> 18:56 [UNKNOWN]: That would be really interesting, because I wanted a lot that would do to your sympathies for the various characters.
18:57 --> 19:01 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that is, that is, that is really interesting.
19:02 --> 19:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm hoping that we'll get next season some some like views of some of the situations that we've seen play out from the silo 18 side.
19:10 --> 19:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm hoping we get to see that from the silo uh one side.
19:15 --> 19:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
19:17 --> 19:36 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I do just want to point out I found it very interesting and I don't have a book reason, you know, to explain this away, but to prominent characters were completely MIA this episode and that was Anna who was though mentioned as a reason they needed to keep quote unquote Susan around.
19:36 --> 19:41 [UNKNOWN]: So okay, she was mentioned at least, but no mention or sight of
19:48 --> 20:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but I just find that interesting and know where the, I mean, we'll, I mean, yeah, I, I am assuming that pair is around somewhere and that whole thing was giving me like promisious vibes.
20:03 --> 20:12 [UNKNOWN]: There's the whole thing in promisious of Peter Whalen being off in his own separate part of the ship and none of the crew know that he's there.
20:13 --> 20:22 [UNKNOWN]: I kind of suspect that there is, there is a vault somewhere inside a one with just peristence and a white fluffy cat.
20:22 --> 20:23 [UNKNOWN]: I know white fluffy cats.
20:23 --> 20:24 [UNKNOWN]: That's he laughs.
20:25 --> 20:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
20:26 --> 20:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, of course.
20:26 --> 20:27 [UNKNOWN]: A unicorn, sorry.
20:27 --> 20:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
20:29 --> 20:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's got like a whole, like a whole flock of unicorn.
20:34 --> 20:37 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, um, it's so, yeah, so far I be in the book club.
20:37 --> 20:40 [UNKNOWN]: She coined the collective noun, a glitter of unicorns.
20:41 --> 20:45 [UNKNOWN]: A glitter of unicorn, like, yeah, he's got a whole glitter of unicorns.
20:47 --> 20:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
20:47 --> 20:57 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so about Pear Elandi who asked for the Ralph Melby clarification in the last episode, responded to that and said, Thank you for the clear explanation.
20:57 --> 21:02 [UNKNOWN]: That episode deserve the in-depth discussion you clearly had.
21:02 --> 21:06 [UNKNOWN]: Curious what Luke is going to come up with his explanations for the nuclear explosion.
21:07 --> 21:20 [UNKNOWN]: My theory is that pair stunts and put himself in debt with the 50 diggers, and rather than have to pull the plug on the whole silo project, and it's potential to save humanity, he decided to make it necessary upon completion.
21:21 --> 21:24 [UNKNOWN]: Basically, it's in pair stunts, and the world to get out of debt.
21:25 --> 21:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'm kind of, I'm kind of with you, open to a point, evil.
21:30 --> 21:42 [UNKNOWN]: because I think when there was, when there was the dinner meeting between everybody in Episode 8, I think when Pierre Stanton was talking about all the existential threats to the world, he believed that.
21:42 --> 21:44 [UNKNOWN]: I think that was him being sincere.
21:45 --> 21:53 [UNKNOWN]: And I think the whole side of the project from his point of view is to try and do like a hard reset on humanity.
21:54 --> 22:16 [UNKNOWN]: And the whole point of the pact, as written, is to limit human potential when human curiosity, so as from this point of view to preserve the species long term, because we know that we know that the soil out there, we know that the lottery for who can have children
22:22 --> 22:32 [UNKNOWN]: who were, yeah, who were, subservient, who were, you know, who were more docile, short-sighted.
22:32 --> 22:32 [UNKNOWN]: Compliant, yeah.
22:33 --> 22:33 [UNKNOWN]: Compliant.
22:33 --> 22:35 [UNKNOWN]: That's not very compliant with that.
22:35 --> 22:43 [UNKNOWN]: And we also know that the pack of puts all kinds of weird restrictions on technology, around things like magnification, elevators, and so on.
22:43 --> 22:49 [UNKNOWN]: So I think Pestence is thinking, when humanity will use the silos, it's going to be a
22:52 --> 22:56 [UNKNOWN]: in kind of psychological terms to the warm end to the silos.
22:57 --> 22:57 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
22:58 --> 22:58 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
22:59 --> 22:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
22:59 --> 23:04 [UNKNOWN]: So as to not, there was discussion Victor was saying this, this, in this episode about not.
23:05 --> 23:06 [UNKNOWN]: Repeating.
23:06 --> 23:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
23:07 --> 23:09 [UNKNOWN]: To break that cycle, let the tourism move out.
23:10 --> 23:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
23:11 --> 23:13 [UNKNOWN]: Well, shall we get into the breakdown itself?
23:14 --> 23:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, let's.
23:15 --> 23:20 [UNKNOWN]: Your regularly scheduled breakdown will begin in three, two, one.
23:22 --> 23:38 [UNKNOWN]: So actually, before we get into the episode itself, I can finally talk about the structure of the bookshift, which is the book that the season was largely based off of, the middle book and the prequel book of the series.
23:38 --> 23:39 [UNKNOWN]: So,
23:41 --> 23:54 [UNKNOWN]: I'll include some, we'll talk about some of the comparisons with what we saw the major events that played out in this episode, but then we will come back to after that the usual plot by plot recap and talk through the rest of the points of the episode.
23:54 --> 24:07 [UNKNOWN]: But just to set up, the book shift is, uh, it's different from wool and dust are both more straightforward, uh, books, you know, you saw how wool played out of the first two seasons is basically following one
24:11 --> 24:20 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, dust ends up bringing shift and we'll back together and continuing the story from basically where we left it here, more or less.
24:21 --> 24:25 [UNKNOWN]: But shift, the one in the middle, is divided into three sections.
24:25 --> 24:27 [UNKNOWN]: They were really separately at first.
24:27 --> 24:30 [UNKNOWN]: Three shifts, get it ha ha ha.
24:32 --> 24:34 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm just going to give a high level overview here.
24:34 --> 24:46 [UNKNOWN]: I do have three episodes of the book club dedicated to breaking down each section of this book plot by plot and character by character and plus all the spoiler castes episode discussions where we get into that.
24:47 --> 24:53 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, let's just just to give you the high level thing and how it matches up to what we've seen and just setting up in advance.
24:53 --> 24:54 [UNKNOWN]: I've mentioned this before,
25:01 --> 25:02 [UNKNOWN]: 2, 252, yeah.
25:03 --> 25:07 [UNKNOWN]: And the show, it's more like 20, 28, based on what we noticed and calculated.
25:10 --> 25:13 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, so the, I'll shout out the years in the book here.
25:14 --> 25:27 [UNKNOWN]: The first shift is called legacy, so the first shift legacy, second shift or third shift pact, first shift legacy, it starts with the prologue that is basically exactly how this episode started.
25:28 --> 25:35 [UNKNOWN]: were Troy wakes up in 2110 and then there are in each of these shifts in this book.
25:35 --> 25:40 [UNKNOWN]: There's two different stories, the pair end up being parallel stories that play out.
25:40 --> 25:43 [UNKNOWN]: But of course we don't know that we just know there's two stories they're cutting back and forth.
25:44 --> 26:06 [UNKNOWN]: One of them is the story of Troy in Silent One in 2110, and the other story is the Washington D.C. story covering 49 to 252 when the bomb goes off, and the D.C. story is from Donald's perspective, and that's where we meet Charlotte and the Thurmans and another character named Mick, who hasn't really shown up in the show, and maybe
26:07 --> 26:20 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and in the other side of things, yeah, it's following Troy's perspective, but we don't know as readers that Troy and Donald are the same person until the end of this first third of the book.
26:22 --> 26:23 [UNKNOWN]: so it's a big twist.
26:23 --> 26:24 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
26:24 --> 26:41 [UNKNOWN]: So people of them wondering how were they going to handle in this book and they basically what they did is instead of having it at the beginning of the season they held that reveal until the end you just let you get to know the, you know, just let you but yeah, just let you get to know Daniel and Charlotte before they got put.
26:41 --> 26:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah exactly.
26:44 --> 27:05 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, so in this first section and the Troy side of things in silo one, it does fall to Troy to put down silo 12 is actually the first silo to be put down, and that's definitely where they got the inspiration for what we saw with silo 17 this time, um, in the book silo 17 happened while Troy was sleeping.
27:06 --> 27:09 [UNKNOWN]: So he wasn't directly involved in that, but to me it makes sense.
27:10 --> 27:31 [UNKNOWN]: it's like how dare you do this to the silo the silo of solo the silo of Peter Gabriel I mean I did I did put to you the after I watched the episode for the first time just be it's be a Gabriel one of our goosimware and then you pointed out no because he's in silo 17 although
27:32 --> 27:38 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we'll come back to this later on because I have a tin foil theory about that.
27:38 --> 27:40 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, no sorry about the other silos.
27:40 --> 27:49 [UNKNOWN]: So I think the founder, because the, the, the door behind the digger vault is referred to as a vault.
27:49 --> 27:51 [UNKNOWN]: The vault is a room in which you put things.
27:53 --> 28:00 [UNKNOWN]: I think the founders that went into the other silos are in their own goobats on the other side of those doors.
28:02 --> 28:13 [UNKNOWN]: because I think they are going to act as memory as I've linked to the past when everybody is finally released on the silos.
28:14 --> 28:17 [UNKNOWN]: What you mean, like, who do you mean by the founders?
28:17 --> 28:20 [UNKNOWN]: Victor, we heard called a founder, the bed healer.
28:20 --> 28:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's a concern.
28:21 --> 28:27 [UNKNOWN]: The founders is the one with the people that went into the silo on that tour in episode nine.
28:27 --> 28:31 [UNKNOWN]: They knew who had the kids, like who made the people, why would they do that?
28:33 --> 28:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, this is just me desperately touching straws for Helen to be alive, um, because but yeah, I think, okay, I think I think people like Helen and maybe Pete Gabriel are back there somewhere.
28:48 --> 28:52 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I think most people around on the side of the reason you say,
28:52 --> 29:01 [UNKNOWN]: Just the people we like, they kept them just for us and they put they pops Alison and Mars and Holston in next year.
29:01 --> 29:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
29:02 --> 29:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, no.
29:03 --> 29:03 [UNKNOWN]: I don't say this.
29:03 --> 29:06 [UNKNOWN]: I do think how I do think they kept telling the life.
29:06 --> 29:08 [UNKNOWN]: And I think there is a good reason for that.
29:08 --> 29:12 [UNKNOWN]: Because I think I think Pearson's in the stuff of life and is behind all this.
29:13 --> 29:16 [UNKNOWN]: And he would want leverage over Daniel.
29:16 --> 29:19 [UNKNOWN]: If Daniel ever found out who he really was,
29:20 --> 29:20 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
29:21 --> 29:22 [UNKNOWN]: And the only leverage is God is heaven.
29:22 --> 29:24 [UNKNOWN]: So I do think heaven is a lie.
29:24 --> 29:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
29:25 --> 29:34 [UNKNOWN]: I do, like I do have questions about where Paris Denson is because I paid attention rewatching after we recorded episode nine.
29:35 --> 29:47 [UNKNOWN]: And after he gets that call, well, you know, Daniel starts to like, gets the weird text right before Daniel gets the weird text from Charlotte, quote and quote Charlotte.
29:47 --> 29:49 [UNKNOWN]: And then we don't see pair again after that.
29:52 --> 29:55 [UNKNOWN]: What if he just, I don't know, went to another silo?
29:56 --> 29:58 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, maybe.
29:59 --> 30:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure it's nothing.
30:01 --> 30:04 [UNKNOWN]: It will be giving up a lot of power in exchange for living a normal life.
30:05 --> 30:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's the thing.
30:06 --> 30:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think normal quote and quote.
30:08 --> 30:08 [UNKNOWN]: That's the thing.
30:10 --> 30:17 [UNKNOWN]: Until somebody tells me or the wise, I am, because somebody described this on the discord as a ten-foyle hat theory.
30:20 --> 30:22 [UNKNOWN]: I think this is just what happened.
30:22 --> 30:34 [UNKNOWN]: Until somebody tells me otherwise, I am assuming their pair stents and set off that nuclear bomb, because the timing is just too coincidental, but it happened just as far as we can play it.
30:34 --> 30:36 [UNKNOWN]: Well, and I'm just a soldier, please.
30:36 --> 30:38 [UNKNOWN]: but it happened just as they were open.
30:38 --> 30:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just as they were open and just as people we started going to the time of the special day.
30:43 --> 30:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the timing is just too convenient for it.
30:46 --> 30:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's that I think it was a line from Tyrion in game of thrones.
30:51 --> 30:52 [UNKNOWN]: I believe in coincidence.
30:52 --> 30:54 [UNKNOWN]: As coincidence has happened all the time.
30:54 --> 30:58 [UNKNOWN]: I just don't trust them and I don't trust that as a coincidence.
30:59 --> 31:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
31:01 --> 31:02 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
31:03 --> 31:06 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so back to the book breakdown.
31:06 --> 31:11 [UNKNOWN]: So first shift ends with that reveal the Donald and Troy are the same person.
31:12 --> 31:24 [UNKNOWN]: And okay, I'm going to point out one cute thing now if it's it's not a spoiler, but it probably will be explicitly pointed out next season so don't listen or just skip ahead once if you don't want to hear it.
31:25 --> 31:26 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, if you haven't skipped
31:30 --> 31:31 [UNKNOWN]: has the name Troy.
31:31 --> 31:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I assume his Daniels for the money.
31:35 --> 31:37 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's he's longing for Helen of
31:39 --> 31:43 [UNKNOWN]: Oh god, really?
31:43 --> 31:45 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, you can come back now.
31:46 --> 31:47 [UNKNOWN]: Look, he didn't like that.
31:47 --> 31:48 [UNKNOWN]: You didn't find it romantic?
31:49 --> 31:53 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's just some subconscious part of him would choose that or something.
31:53 --> 31:55 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I didn't even consider that.
31:55 --> 31:57 [UNKNOWN]: I just assumed it was Daniel's middle name.
31:58 --> 31:59 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
32:01 --> 32:23 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so the second part of the book, second shift order is goes back and forth between Silent One and 22 12, so that's about a hundred years after the last shift, and Troy now knows that he is Donald, and this is when Troy is woken up because Victor has just committed to a side.
32:24 --> 32:39 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and he's woken up to deal with the great uprising of silo 18 from 140 years before the present timeline, the mission rebellion, uh, that had the Salvador Aquin in the, uh, in the show as the head of IT.
32:40 --> 32:54 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and so yeah, he is indeed woken up as like the safe guard in the vocalist called fail-safe specialist, and uh, it's Victor has, was pouring over the silo 12 report when he shot himself.
32:54 --> 32:59 [UNKNOWN]: So I did wonder, I saw the Victor when he was on the desk, there was some blood over a report.
32:59 --> 33:03 [UNKNOWN]: I wondered if it was the silo 17 report, but we'll find out next season.
33:03 --> 33:03 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
33:06 --> 33:09 [UNKNOWN]: They in the book it was Tyler 12 and oh yeah, it's Tyler 17.
33:09 --> 33:15 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so they've just messed around with the number and yeah, just to make it as significant Tyler to us rather.
33:15 --> 33:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
33:16 --> 33:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
33:18 --> 33:29 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then in the third section third shift packed then we jump ahead another 100 in like 30 years.
33:30 --> 33:38 [UNKNOWN]: And now we have Salah one again from the perspective of Donald and Charlotte, and this is the present day part of the book story.
33:38 --> 33:46 [UNKNOWN]: So this is when Donald is woken up to deal with, because Julia has crossed over the hill basically.
33:49 --> 33:58 [UNKNOWN]: but in the other side of the story, we jumped through time between 23, 12 and 23, 45 to get solo to hold back story in cello 17.
33:59 --> 34:05 [UNKNOWN]: So again, Donald was not awake when cello 17 went down, but he, yeah, was woken up when Julia walked over the hill.
34:05 --> 34:06 [UNKNOWN]: So okay.
34:07 --> 34:12 [UNKNOWN]: So there's mess, so a lot of us thought that it was Donald talking to Camille all season.
34:13 --> 34:14 [UNKNOWN]: But no, it seems it was Victor.
34:15 --> 34:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah, so that's an interesting part of this thing's in context, yeah.
34:23 --> 34:23 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, yeah.
34:23 --> 34:34 [UNKNOWN]: So of course, the years are different because it seems, you know, in the book, they were on the present day was only 237 years into the silo system.
34:34 --> 34:38 [UNKNOWN]: We've been told this is 352 years into the silo system.
34:38 --> 34:49 [UNKNOWN]: So, uh, I guess that means if the apocalypse happened around 2028 that in the show must be around 2380 something like that.
34:49 --> 34:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, something more of that.
34:52 --> 35:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but then, yeah, just the epilogue obviously lines up with the end of this episode where Juliet is talking to the voice who is Donald and the conversation ends with, listen to me, she told him.
35:03 --> 35:07 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sitting over here in a room full of truth because she's in the vault.
35:07 --> 35:08 [UNKNOWN]: I've seen the books.
35:08 --> 35:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to dig until I get to the heart of what you people have done.
35:12 --> 35:13 [UNKNOWN]: Donald could hear her breathing.
35:14 --> 35:16 [UNKNOWN]: I know the truth you're looking for.
35:16 --> 35:17 [UNKNOWN]: He said quietly,
35:19 --> 35:21 [UNKNOWN]: you may not like what I find, you mean.
35:22 --> 35:31 [UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, I'm going to redact the last few lines for the swirleriness of the phrasing, but basically Julia tells Donald she's gunning for Salah 1.
35:31 --> 35:34 [UNKNOWN]: But of course, yeah, she doesn't know it's Donald, it's just the voice to her.
35:34 --> 35:37 [UNKNOWN]: And he sees her but not vice versa as it is in the show.
35:39 --> 35:46 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, I did a dissat to, what do you, does I give you any more context for the episode or the season as a whole?
35:46 --> 35:52 [UNKNOWN]: I does, I think the changes that they've made make sense.
35:53 --> 36:12 [UNKNOWN]: I think it does, I think, I think you need it to know who Donald Flash Daniel and Helen and Charlotte were before you could, before you could do this, this switch of room because otherwise it wouldn't have had the same impact.
36:12 --> 36:20 [UNKNOWN]: And I think had you attempted to do like a three-time line structure rather than a two-time line structure that would just have gotten to confusing.
36:21 --> 36:29 [UNKNOWN]: So, um, so yeah, I think that I think the changes that they've made in terms of the order of events make sense.
36:30 --> 36:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of speculation.
36:32 --> 36:42 [UNKNOWN]: How are they going to do the the Donald Troy thing and it's like, well, they could do like a first person perspective for Troy, but then that would be distracting and and tip people off.
36:42 --> 36:44 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, this is probably just the best way.
36:44 --> 36:45 [UNKNOWN]: Just hold that.
36:45 --> 36:48 [UNKNOWN]: Just hold the existence of Troy until the end of the season.
36:49 --> 36:55 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but now they really have covered almost all of the first two books and set up some stuff from dust.
36:55 --> 37:09 [UNKNOWN]: So season four is going to be about 90% the dust story, but, um, yeah, they're still, you know, it's, which is a more linear story again, but they're still jumping between silos one, 17 and 18 obviously.
37:10 --> 37:17 [UNKNOWN]: And, uh, wrapping up final threads from the first two books, like the radio talks from Wool or the fate of Helen, which we do find out in shift.
37:18 --> 37:19 [UNKNOWN]: But we're going to wait until next season.
37:19 --> 37:23 [UNKNOWN]: So, all right, let's take a quick break here now.
37:24 --> 37:25 [UNKNOWN]: I can't let people soak that in.
37:26 --> 37:28 [UNKNOWN]: And then we're going to... Let's get to the actual episodes.
37:28 --> 37:29 [UNKNOWN]: Get to the actual episode.
37:30 --> 37:30 [UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
37:33 --> 37:42 [UNKNOWN]: All right, we're going to start the same way the episode starts with a 24 or 25 intense opening minutes, a silent one in the past, interrupted dreams.
37:42 --> 37:46 [UNKNOWN]: This episode opens with a man being a woken from a cryogenic pod.
37:46 --> 37:51 [UNKNOWN]: He's being called Troy, but we recognize him as former congressman Daniel King, Ashley Zuckerman.
37:52 --> 38:00 [UNKNOWN]: He's been dreaming of his wife Helen, Jessica Henwick, but once a week, he doesn't remember who she is or who he himself was before he was Troy.
38:01 --> 38:08 [UNKNOWN]: Psychologist Victor Cernkovich, Matt Craven, tells him he's had to rapid sequence his awakening because they need his help.
38:09 --> 38:13 [UNKNOWN]: So, oh yeah, by the way, did I forget to mention this cryo genics in this.
38:13 --> 38:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't also, yeah, I do like, I, I want to read the next note, uh, Valetia is putting the show notes.
38:21 --> 38:24 [UNKNOWN]: Alicia being a troll with 352 years of fast.
38:25 --> 38:30 [UNKNOWN]: How can he possibly still be alive, right?
38:31 --> 38:34 [UNKNOWN]: See sometimes I am potentially misleading.
38:34 --> 38:35 [UNKNOWN]: Don't worry about me spoiling.
38:35 --> 38:38 [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't want to play poker against you, Alicia.
38:40 --> 38:44 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was a good question if I didn't already know the answer.
38:47 --> 38:49 [UNKNOWN]: It is something this cryogenics.
38:49 --> 38:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's something that we do find out before we find out.
38:52 --> 38:57 [UNKNOWN]: It's being, well, I mean, I guess yeah, the book does open with Troy opening his eyes in silent one.
38:57 --> 38:58 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess we do know about it right away.
38:58 --> 39:05 [UNKNOWN]: But we also, in the DC story line, find out that Thurmin has taken a special interest in cryogenics.
39:06 --> 39:07 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
39:08 --> 39:11 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if that's just one of the things they're working on at that stencing clinic?
39:12 --> 39:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would have, I would have, I would have sheems.
39:16 --> 39:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:17 --> 39:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what did you think about, I mean, that whole, like, what did you think when that happened when you see, did you, when did you realize that it was Daniel?
39:26 --> 39:35 [UNKNOWN]: I think, I think I realized as soon as he opened his eyes, because Ashley's her command has quite, yeah, it's quite, that's quite distinct of eyes.
39:35 --> 39:42 [UNKNOWN]: And, but I was wondering, well, what it took me a while to grasp was that this was cryogenic is not cloning.
39:44 --> 40:00 [UNKNOWN]: Because, like, for the first few minutes, well, not for the first few minutes, but when he's been woken up, I think it's kind of ambient, with whether this is a quote or the same person, you do find out more definitively, like, as the episode goes on, this is the same
40:07 --> 40:08 [UNKNOWN]: I won't say this.
40:09 --> 40:11 [UNKNOWN]: Why do they have to rapid-seek with people?
40:11 --> 40:13 [UNKNOWN]: This seems deeply unpleasant.
40:13 --> 40:14 [UNKNOWN]: Just doesn't wait.
40:14 --> 40:16 [UNKNOWN]: Just doesn't wake up naturally, people.
40:17 --> 40:19 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they didn't have time for that.
40:19 --> 40:23 [UNKNOWN]: They were putting their speed needs above.
40:24 --> 40:27 [UNKNOWN]: It's like everything these days, you know, you have to do it faster, not better.
40:28 --> 40:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and also for if people are for the feedback on this show, I would be really interested if we've got any if we've got any cryogenesis in the audience or anybody that's familiar with the with the science of cryogenics, what a firm a thermal flush is and why is it necessary.
40:58 --> 41:02 [UNKNOWN]: No, I was going to say, would you think the black goo is it's melting off him and is that related?
41:02 --> 41:16 [UNKNOWN]: I assumed that the black goo that was melting off him was just like the goo he'd been sitting in, the the gong kind of hard and a bit calcified because he'd been in the goo for a long time, but yeah, maybe that is something to do with it.
41:16 --> 41:23 [UNKNOWN]: But what is what he's, but yeah, for the feedback, what do we think for thermal flushes and why does it hurt so much?
41:25 --> 41:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I will, this special topic for this week's boilercast will be how cryogenics is explained in the book and I do expect that to be a topic of next season too.
41:39 --> 41:50 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, so we find out Daniel's been under for seven years, but I guess since his prior shift, so it's not like in the book, it's his first shift when we see him, but he's been being woken up over and over.
41:51 --> 41:53 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if they're all so short as this one.
41:54 --> 42:07 [UNKNOWN]: But he, it seems like he has knowledge of prior shutdowns in the system, but he, yeah, because the first one we see him being woken up for is fairly recently, he was 35 years before the present timeline.
42:08 --> 42:13 [UNKNOWN]: But he doesn't remember that he keeps asking Victor the same question about Helen.
42:14 --> 42:20 [UNKNOWN]: And I would, oh, you were going to find out more about this next season, but I would really want to know, what
42:24 --> 42:45 [UNKNOWN]: to justify to make him go along with doing this because clearly Daniel has been given the memory drugs and kind of reprogrammed as this Troy person out I think so what have they told him like how have they convinced him the murdering thousands of people is a just a fire
42:47 --> 42:51 [UNKNOWN]: Acted like, what is the story they've told him?
42:51 --> 42:58 [UNKNOWN]: What memories have they implanted in him to make him okay with what he's doing?
42:59 --> 43:04 [UNKNOWN]: Because we know Daniel Keenan, we know Daniel Keenan, we know Daniel Keenan is a moral man, and he would never have gone along with this.
43:05 --> 43:10 [UNKNOWN]: So what has Troy been told that makes him okay with this?
43:11 --> 43:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
43:12 --> 43:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I guess he's just been so distanced from it emotionally, but yeah, I think this is where I do, on this side of the story, the Salah one side of the story is where I have to bite my tongue more, on the other side of the story is where I can be like, I don't know.
43:27 --> 43:32 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so this is another moment, this is more closely following the book.
43:33 --> 43:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I'll say so they did I was just paying attention to what did you think of the whole cryo bay thing that was cool it was yeah that like you've put in the show notes there are there are quite a few people in cryo
43:48 --> 43:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so his Bay only had like five to six pods in it.
43:51 --> 43:53 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if that's I wonder if that's a shift together.
43:53 --> 44:05 [UNKNOWN]: I noticed that like the the whole bay was labeled 36.06 and then the pods were numbered like oh six.02 Daniels was oh six.03 like I don't
44:07 --> 44:15 [UNKNOWN]: Does that mean he's on, you know, somebody later talks about shift J seven is he on like shift six or something, but obviously Yes, this is just for specialists.
44:15 --> 44:16 [UNKNOWN]: That's why there's only a handful.
44:17 --> 44:20 [UNKNOWN]: And I think I think I do again get partial internet point.
44:20 --> 44:24 [UNKNOWN]: This is why because I did say in earlier episodes, I thought silo one would be bigger.
44:25 --> 44:36 [UNKNOWN]: and more advanced, it is more advanced, it is definitely, but it looks significant, like it's much more comfortable than so I love, than so I love 17, I love 18.
44:38 --> 44:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, but it's dead in the center like when Daniel takes the elevator.
44:42 --> 44:45 [UNKNOWN]: Well, first I was surprised to see a staircase in the middle.
44:45 --> 44:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say that because I knew he was going to get in on it because I knew, so the one has an elevator, but it does not in the books have that big central staircase because why would it?
44:55 --> 44:56 [UNKNOWN]: It has elevators.
44:58 --> 45:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so yeah, and it's just seem like there was this like that it was a dead silo he was looking out at as he took the elevator up.
45:07 --> 45:08 [UNKNOWN]: It just dark in the middle.
45:08 --> 45:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, everybody on the stairs.
45:10 --> 45:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:11 --> 45:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it does seem to seem more comfortable.
45:14 --> 45:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I think they probably have like access to what they obviously have access to a wider range of artifacts from the before times.
45:23 --> 45:23 [UNKNOWN]: And I think
45:26 --> 45:26 [UNKNOWN]: office.
45:27 --> 45:33 [UNKNOWN]: That's why there's obviously, I don't think there are the same rules around relics and so I love one.
45:33 --> 45:34 [UNKNOWN]: No.
45:34 --> 45:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:34 --> 45:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:35 --> 45:38 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it seems also like some people.
45:39 --> 45:46 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we might as well talk about right now, why do you think Victor and Henry still go by their names?
45:48 --> 45:50 [UNKNOWN]: And Troy and Susan do not.
45:51 --> 45:59 [UNKNOWN]: And Troy seems to know the Victor knows things about the before times because he's like, oh, I think we might have known each other before.
45:59 --> 46:02 [UNKNOWN]: And he knows the Troy, the Victor would remember that.
46:02 --> 46:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, what I'm going to do is I am going to, I am, what I imagine, what I imagine we'll see at some point in a in season four is a flashback to just after the bomb went off and everybody's in the sideline.
46:19 --> 46:35 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that flashback will be victor and probably pair stents as well, explaining the silos, explaining the system, explaining the impact and the order, and then asking people, are you willing to go along with this?
46:37 --> 46:48 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Daniel and Charlotte will say no, along with other people, and they will therefore be like force fed the memory drugs.
46:49 --> 46:49 [UNKNOWN]: okay.
46:49 --> 46:59 [UNKNOWN]: I like reprogram, but big third, pester, and I think a lot of other people will sort of go along with the program basically.
46:59 --> 47:11 [UNKNOWN]: So I think because this whole silent has a thing going in the background where people do have a choice, you know, people can say they want to go outside.
47:12 --> 47:14 [UNKNOWN]: And that choice will be on it.
47:15 --> 47:19 [UNKNOWN]: I think, I think Pestence, because I think Pestence is behind all of this.
47:19 --> 47:30 [UNKNOWN]: And I think Pestence has a sort of weird attitude towards freedom in that he will give you it, but only on his terms.
47:31 --> 47:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what's like we hear during this, in this section, I'm about to set up.
47:35 --> 47:38 [UNKNOWN]: We hear Troy say that,
47:39 --> 47:40 [UNKNOWN]: They're outside.
47:40 --> 47:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're outside the packed, but not outside the order.
47:43 --> 47:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not outside the director.
47:45 --> 47:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
47:45 --> 47:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
47:45 --> 47:46 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
47:46 --> 47:46 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
47:46 --> 47:54 [UNKNOWN]: So let's set up this set this section, the shutdown specialist Victor brings Troy to his office to brief him as he recovers from his rude awakening.
47:55 --> 48:09 [UNKNOWN]: He plays a recording of a conversation between the voice and a boy named Jimmy Conroy, son of the silo 17 head of IT, Russell Conroy, Jimmy's dad has just locked him in the vault to protect him from the rebellion raging in the rest of the silo.
48:10 --> 48:17 [UNKNOWN]: Victor brings Troy to operations and introduces him to the senior drone commander on shift Susan, in quotes.
48:18 --> 48:25 [UNKNOWN]: whom we can see is Daniel's sister Charlotte Keane, Jessica Brown, Finley, but Troy and Susan do not recognize each other.
48:26 --> 48:39 [UNKNOWN]: Their monitoring silo-17 and the same screen from the drone camera when the doors to the silo open and the sheriff Ross McCall holding a green flag, the same green flag we see amongst the bodies decades later.
48:40 --> 48:45 [UNKNOWN]: leads his son Timmy, not Jimmy, and the rest of the people of silo-17 outside.
48:46 --> 48:52 [UNKNOWN]: This is not good news to silo-1, especially when nothing happens to the people who step into the outside world.
48:53 --> 48:59 [UNKNOWN]: Unprotected from the elements, they dance and celebrate as silo-1 looks on with horror and surprise on their faces.
49:00 --> 49:06 [UNKNOWN]: Troy is reluctant to act, although Victor stresses the urgency of preventing them from making contact with another silo.
49:07 --> 49:21 [UNKNOWN]: Victor wants to herd them back inside and try to safeguard them again, but Troy points out that their groundwater pump is out and their silo is flooding, which prevents them from implementing a backup safeguard line through the forward vault doors.
49:22 --> 49:32 [UNKNOWN]: Troy tells Susan to get more drones in the air, 10 with the ordinance, 20 with compounds, and with his drone fleet, they massacre the citizens of Silo 17.
49:32 --> 49:39 [UNKNOWN]: Susan refuses to carry out the massacre arguing that chasing most of the population back into the Silo should be sufficient.
49:39 --> 49:47 [UNKNOWN]: So Troy dismisses her and takes command himself, and everyone who went outside, all but handful of citizens in Silo 17 are now dead.
49:50 --> 49:56 [UNKNOWN]: So how far was your job dropped a gap as you watched this sequence?
49:57 --> 50:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was dropped, it was dropped pretty far a gap.
50:02 --> 50:07 [UNKNOWN]: Um, because it's just, it's just so not Daniel.
50:08 --> 50:08 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
50:09 --> 50:09 [UNKNOWN]: Um.
50:10 --> 50:23 [UNKNOWN]: And like, the way they play the interaction between Troy and Susan, they make it very clear that they do not recognize each other.
50:23 --> 50:28 [UNKNOWN]: Just like, come on guys, have a spark of recognition something, but now there is nothing there.
50:30 --> 50:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, God.
50:33 --> 50:45 [UNKNOWN]: Notice it says it's interesting that there might be an explanation I'm bringing up later for this, but it's interesting that Susan holds more to Charlotte's morality than Troy does to Daniels.
50:45 --> 50:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's true.
50:47 --> 50:49 [UNKNOWN]: What were you going to say?
50:49 --> 50:53 [UNKNOWN]: I was just going to say, and it's interesting that the Troy has some
51:00 --> 51:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
51:02 --> 51:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
51:02 --> 51:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is interesting.
51:04 --> 51:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
51:05 --> 51:06 [UNKNOWN]: I guess he loves her more.
51:08 --> 51:18 [UNKNOWN]: So obviously the young Jimmy who that's young solo, who's only 11 or 12 in the show version, he was 16 in the book when this happened.
51:19 --> 51:26 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, so again in the TV version, he took the nickname solo from the shadow to the head of IT.
51:27 --> 51:32 [UNKNOWN]: And he's apparently we learn messy in the one who gave that guy that nickname in the first place in the book.
51:32 --> 51:35 [UNKNOWN]: He just started calling himself solo because he was alone for a long time.
51:35 --> 51:35 [UNKNOWN]: I
51:36 --> 51:38 [UNKNOWN]: talked about it read a little poem that you wrote about it.
51:39 --> 51:45 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so that's that's who that's who we heard that's who Daniel heard was a baby Steve Zahn.
51:46 --> 51:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and whoever they got to do the reading of solar as part in that is really well done because he just sounded like Steve Zahn or he said like a child version of Steve Zahn.
51:56 --> 51:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
51:58 --> 51:59 [UNKNOWN]: Good voice child voice casting.
52:00 --> 52:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I wonder if we'll see because I still wonder For instance, is whole thing with Jimmy having something that happened to an eye and in that's from point out several times So it must be they're going to explain it next season.
52:13 --> 52:18 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if there will be a if that will be in flashback form if we'll see Yeah, they cast is the child
52:20 --> 52:24 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, so anyway, so we get a recap of that silo 17 rebellion.
52:24 --> 52:25 [UNKNOWN]: It started with failed cleaning.
52:25 --> 52:27 [UNKNOWN]: The person went out of sight.
52:27 --> 52:42 [UNKNOWN]: The rebellion was led by the sheriff, the shadow, the adult solo, blue the bridge to keep the people out of IT and then the sheriff killed, um, killed Russell Jimmy's dad in front of him because Jimmy wouldn't let him into the vault.
52:43 --> 52:46 [UNKNOWN]: Did we, we never found out what happened to the cleaner that went out of sight.
52:46 --> 52:46 [UNKNOWN]: Did we?
52:46 --> 52:47 [UNKNOWN]: No, we never did.
52:48 --> 53:08 [UNKNOWN]: that is curious, very curious, because I wonder if they could have made it to another silo, just also thinking, all right, I'm going to bring up later that we see a schematic and we find out that this cluster of silos has 14 is the one in the center that has all of the pipes that go through it.
53:08 --> 53:09 [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
53:10 --> 53:12 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, just a thought.
53:13 --> 53:13 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think Victor
53:15 --> 53:29 [UNKNOWN]: as he tells Troy about what's been going on with Salos 17 when he's briefing him, you know, he says he tells him about the sheriff he threatened to blow his Russell's brains out if his kid didn't open the door.
53:29 --> 53:30 [UNKNOWN]: He didn't open the door.
53:30 --> 53:43 [UNKNOWN]: I was thinking throughout the scene, this is very victorist, victorist, victor and Bernard would have some interesting conversations because they're very much in the same position.
53:44 --> 53:49 [UNKNOWN]: But now I'm just trying to, in season one and two, is trying to keep Sino 18 alive.
53:49 --> 53:51 [UNKNOWN]: Is trying to stay off and then be through rebellion.
53:52 --> 53:56 [UNKNOWN]: And Victor is trying to keep the Sino project on track.
53:57 --> 53:59 [UNKNOWN]: And they both convince themselves.
53:59 --> 54:07 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, really convince themselves that what they are doing, however unpleasant, is necessary for the great, a good.
54:08 --> 54:10 [UNKNOWN]: And I think what we see this season is,
54:11 --> 54:24 [UNKNOWN]: that belief breaking down in Bernard and what we see in this episode is that belief breaking down in Victor over as long a time scale but just compressed into a single episode.
54:25 --> 54:32 [UNKNOWN]: So I think Victor is feeling both sensitive guilt and it sounds red about what's happening in
54:35 --> 54:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think what he's really concerned with is the psychological effect of what killing thousands of people out in the open will do to the drone pilots in Sala one, which I thought was interesting
55:00 --> 55:18 [UNKNOWN]: And one of the reasons why the Einsatz Group, which were the SS killing squads that went into Russia and Poland was followed behind the German army, and executed communists and local Jews.
55:19 --> 55:28 [UNKNOWN]: One of the reasons they experimented with the early gasing van is so that the executions would be less public.
55:30 --> 55:45 [UNKNOWN]: And so that they would be psychologically easier, not on the people being executed, but on the people doing the executed, like you can go back in the records and you can actually read correspondence.
55:46 --> 56:04 [UNKNOWN]: within the SS, where you have seen the members of the SS, all the way up to Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS, worrying about what these executions are doing to the psychology of the members of these killing squads, these answers.
56:04 --> 56:06 [UNKNOWN]: And it may be think of that.
56:06 --> 56:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
56:07 --> 56:11 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that that's where partially where
56:16 --> 56:23 [UNKNOWN]: and this is why I love that they give so much time to this to really show us the inner workings of this whole situation.
56:23 --> 56:27 [UNKNOWN]: First of all, we learn that the directive is a book above the order.
56:28 --> 56:33 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say in the source material they call this directive the order also, but it's different.
56:33 --> 56:39 [UNKNOWN]: So here we've have the directive is above the order, which is above the pact and the lower levels.
56:39 --> 56:44 [UNKNOWN]: Don't even know that they're playing by rules in books that they never even get to
56:45 --> 57:02 [UNKNOWN]: and this is where you know you said yeah the citizens of silo 17 chose to go outside they are beyond the pact but they are not outside the directive and we learn that each drone group gets its own pilots so i guess that's kind of more realistic than most sci-fi drone stories
57:02 --> 57:16 [UNKNOWN]: So one group is charged with taking out the sheriff in his family, and oh my god, just that moment where the sheriff at the end crawls to his wife and son's bodies as he dies just the way Holston crawled crawled to Allison when he died.
57:17 --> 57:28 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, and then we have group 2, which is spray and compound at the ramp to prevent reentrance groups 3 and 4 need to saturate the area with this quote unquote compound.
57:29 --> 57:36 [UNKNOWN]: And groups 5 and 6 are to engage the targets on command basically, just mow them down and take them out.
57:36 --> 57:44 [UNKNOWN]: And, yeah, it's in this part, a lot of people are quoting the line that he says, we need to get these numbers down like he's some sort of marketing manager.
57:46 --> 57:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's so deeply chilling in a commentary on the detachment that's required to pull off fascism basically.
57:54 --> 58:17 [UNKNOWN]: And as you said, Eav Victor is worried about the effects as genocide out in the open will have in the drone pilots like okay, it's fine if the genocide takes place inside the silo where they can't see the bodies but now they have to see the bodies and we see the effect on Susan who watches a parent twirl their child in a couple of cases and no wonder she's not on board like these are people just trying to live their lives.
58:17 --> 58:22 [UNKNOWN]: So indeed they switch to thermal imaging so that it's less.
58:23 --> 58:34 [UNKNOWN]: visceral and then turn off the audio as well to cut off the screaming so they can just detach themselves further from the carnage and quote-unquote get those numbers down.
58:34 --> 58:37 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah Victor obviously very uncomfortable with this.
58:39 --> 58:45 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we find out also the safeguard was attempted, but the compound couldn't be delivered.
58:45 --> 58:56 [UNKNOWN]: They say and and about sila 17 obviously because silo's mom is capped the pipe, Jimmy's mom is capped the pipe and yeah, there's no pressure drop in the line.
58:56 --> 58:59 [UNKNOWN]: So then we hear that's happened once before.
59:00 --> 59:01 [UNKNOWN]: So that's interesting.
59:01 --> 59:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is, that is my eyebrows went right to talk on my head when they said,
59:07 --> 59:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hope we're gonna find out more about that
59:11 --> 59:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, and yeah, so the voice obviously confirmed to indeed be a bunch of different people, but always so they sound the same.
59:21 --> 59:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I do hope we get to see next season some more like flashbacks of like who was talking to Camille, I guess that it was Victor for the most part was who talked
59:37 --> 59:39 [UNKNOWN]: We had to be nice to check in on a couple of key moments.
59:39 --> 59:41 [UNKNOWN]: Like, when Camille comes in and the voice is like, what?
59:42 --> 59:42 [UNKNOWN]: What was her name?
59:42 --> 59:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was not for you.
59:46 --> 59:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like to think that's a direct tip before she'd had her afternoon tea.
59:50 --> 59:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
59:52 --> 59:56 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, Victor gets to keep his name, Troy and Susan do not.
59:57 --> 01:00:00 [UNKNOWN]: And then my question is, I guess Victor, we know does keep his memories.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: But it's interesting because in the book, Victor was that character's made up silo name.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:08 [UNKNOWN]: And his real name is barely used.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's like Tony Demargo or something like that.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, OK. And it in my book, I said it in the...
01:00:14 --> 01:00:18 [UNKNOWN]: In the Victor episode in the spoiler cast, but it doesn't really matter, but it's interesting.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:20 [UNKNOWN]: He could remember in that case.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 [UNKNOWN]: He did remember in that case, whereas Troy did not obviously.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: So I think it's maybe we should take it as a sign of who can remember and who cannot because Henry again, not in the book, so.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, interesting.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:47 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and yeah, so then we can learn a lot more about the drones in this, um, we learn that's one of them, uh, has a payload of 30 liters of compound and 2 rounds of ordinance.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:50 [UNKNOWN]: That's the one they have trained on silos 17 to begin with.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:54 [UNKNOWN]: So ordinance is like a killer bullet.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:00:55 --> 01:01:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'll probably, I think it'll probably be the 20 millimeter or possibly 40 millimeter cannon shells,
01:01:04 --> 01:01:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 2 rounds, by the way, is not a lot.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12 [UNKNOWN]: You will go through that in a matter of seconds.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, that's what they had to bring in a bunch more, yeah.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:38 [UNKNOWN]: um okay so that's ordinance this compound we do see it's the same stuff that we know is in the pipes and we do see it uh being shot like you know sprayed on the people so to speak and it looks sort of like a fuzzy mess do you have any thoughts about yeah i'm assuming i'm assuming that some sort of chemical uh chemical agent
01:01:40 --> 01:01:49 [UNKNOWN]: You don't really see people choking or coughing, so it's probably some kind of nerve agents, fascinating nerve agents.
01:01:50 --> 01:02:01 [UNKNOWN]: I wish I'd thought about this more in season 2, because when you see Julia walking towards solo 17, you do see the bodies are quite spread out.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:06 [UNKNOWN]: I remember I commented on that in an episode at the time, but I just didn't put two
01:02:09 --> 01:02:12 [UNKNOWN]: And this is a good time as I need to talk about this.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:26 [UNKNOWN]: Why were the citizens of silos 17 apparently able to go outside and exist quite happily outside and yet in the previous episode, but not only made it to that dead
01:02:29 --> 01:02:38 [UNKNOWN]: You can't say it, doesn't can you, but you're like, it's a question I'm throwing out there and I don't have a good answer to it now.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:40 [UNKNOWN]: So I think we'll come back to this one when we get the show round up.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:48 [UNKNOWN]: But like, yeah, nobody, nobody in size of 17 showing any ill effects of being outside.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:58 [UNKNOWN]: And yet, with the exception of Julia, with the good tape every time somebody has been out in size of 18, they have died.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:01 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't understand that.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:05 [UNKNOWN]: And did you mention Lucas at silo 17 with the hole in his?
01:03:05 --> 01:03:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yes, as well.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:11 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas seems to have recovered remarkably quickly with a bullet through the shoulders as well.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:14 [UNKNOWN]: So what is going on in silo 17?
01:03:15 --> 01:03:22 [UNKNOWN]: And Bernard also, we were told he got holes in his suit when it burned in the fire lock.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:26 [UNKNOWN]: And that's why it's him said that's how he died.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: that was in 18.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: So.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:34 [UNKNOWN]: And anyway, I don't know.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:35 [UNKNOWN]: No, I know.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:39 [UNKNOWN]: I've got no 10 foil for the moment, but I'm working on important observations.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: Good observations.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:48 [UNKNOWN]: And I also brought up a whole thing about body decay rates when we talked about the last season.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:50 [UNKNOWN]: Mess of body.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:51 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Um,
01:03:53 --> 01:03:55 [UNKNOWN]: It's a wee here.
01:03:55 --> 01:04:00 [UNKNOWN]: The drones are indeed just kept up in the air where the fugitives can't see and hear them until it's too late.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:05 [UNKNOWN]: And we find out Daniel is ID as a shutdown specialist.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:08 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I do agree with you.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:12 [UNKNOWN]: I hope we find out next season how exactly that happened.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say,
01:04:14 --> 01:04:24 [UNKNOWN]: He wasn't like, he kind of accidentally became a shutdown specialist in the book because the first shutdown happened under his watch and Victor was like, hmm, he handled that very well.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:31 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm curious, it seems like he's been doing this for a while.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:33 [UNKNOWN]: How many silos have been shut down?
01:04:35 --> 01:04:37 [UNKNOWN]: We have what is over all silo system situation.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:40 [UNKNOWN]: How many people are left?
01:04:40 --> 01:04:43 [UNKNOWN]: We know that there must be give or take about half a mill.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:46 [UNKNOWN]: There's capacity for about a half a million people.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: So how many people are actually left?
01:04:49 --> 01:04:49 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:54 [UNKNOWN]: When we know for sure, 17 gone except for well, yeah.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, except for like half a dozen people.
01:04:58 --> 01:04:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, basically.
01:04:59 --> 01:04:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I have to say I did my best with pausing on the many very interesting screens in silo on this episode, uh, they were in general.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:16 [UNKNOWN]: It felt almost intentionally blurry, at least the screeners.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:22 [UNKNOWN]: So when, when I get to see, you know, the official, uh, I, I mean, we have HD, but, you know, I don't know.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:26 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see if I can see any more when it's released on actual Apple.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:27 [UNKNOWN]: Um,
01:05:28 --> 01:05:46 [UNKNOWN]: but I'll call out what I do see and in this part it seemed to be like a tube maybe a silo with something going up the middle and forking or spouting toward the top so I don't know if that was related to how the safeguard works perhaps yeah it goes up through the top and works like a fountain or something I don't know.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, interesting.
01:05:50 --> 01:06:00 [UNKNOWN]: Um, then also this is where we learn that the forward vault door is what Victor calls that door in the basement that will visit at the end of the episode.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's interesting.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's referred to as a vault.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:07 [UNKNOWN]: because our vaults implies that there is something inside it.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's not just a door, it's not just a door, there is a room, there is a space behind that door.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, we saw that there was a tunnel on the schematic when we saw the schematic for the silo, so it seems to be a tunnel that leaves from that door.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but vault indicates that you'll, you want to secure something inside it.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:34 [UNKNOWN]: And also Victor's suggests running a line through it before Troy is like, no, that's too flooded.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: We can't do that.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:43 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so that suggests that silo and this is pure speculation because this door is not in the book.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:52 [UNKNOWN]: But that suggests that they have some sort of access, perhaps some sort of post post like from the outside or I don't know why through there.
01:06:56 --> 01:06:57 [UNKNOWN]: the very end of the episode.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:04 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's either not culturally, I think it's not suggested that might be one of the ways that silo one might kill them as well.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:05 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Victor says at this point with silo's 17.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:10 [UNKNOWN]: That's a way they could kill them.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:16 [UNKNOWN]: They absolutely, I'll say, the Troy Darth Vader Darth Troy.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Daniel is indeed book canon for sure, but they really kind of amped it up even more here, like, damn.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:40 [UNKNOWN]: Abbey and I did review the book version of this massacre of the Silly 12th thing, and it was still like, oh, ooh, Donald, what you do in, but this was so brutal.
01:07:42 --> 01:08:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really well done and we do know that the drones do have them a imaging capability which which which makes it even more weird that they couldn't hang around for a few minutes to just make sure they're coming to the end because I mean it takes a longer to cool than a few minutes, right?
01:08:00 --> 01:08:00 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:08:00 --> 01:08:06 [UNKNOWN]: It does seem like one can hover over silo 18 later indefinitely so you may have a point.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:08 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see what happened there.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:10 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe there was some
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, so Troy gives out the these massacre and strike.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:22 [UNKNOWN]: He's like basically gather them from the for the massacre, and then he says, uh, don't bother me.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:29 [UNKNOWN]: I have to go eat don't bother me unless someone goes over the berm or there are at least 95, 100 fugitives.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:38 [UNKNOWN]: So basically he wants most of the silo outside, so that there can be so they can be gunned down together with his few people as possible remaining inside.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:45 [UNKNOWN]: And just to show it out the cafeteria, um, it has some similarities with the books.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: Some differences, the similarities is that, indeed, the food is just gloves of food on a tray.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:55 [UNKNOWN]: Like, it's, an appetizing, um, why is it for, why is the food so bad?
01:08:55 --> 01:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: And why are the portions so small?
01:08:57 --> 01:09:02 [UNKNOWN]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-
01:09:10 --> 01:09:13 [UNKNOWN]: The why is the food so bad and why are the portions so small?
01:09:15 --> 01:09:18 [UNKNOWN]: I don't get to do reference to something in particular.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:25 [UNKNOWN]: I know, it's just like, um, it's just like, uh, every, it's a sort of regular thing.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: He brings up in the context of what political arguments he gets into on a blue sky.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:33 [UNKNOWN]: Because people are saying it's bad, but they're also saying it's bad.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: But he said there's not enough of it as well, so it's.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:40 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I see, why don't you give me more of the bad food?
01:09:40 --> 01:09:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:42 [UNKNOWN]: OK. OK.
01:09:43 --> 01:09:46 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, he's very will is very fond of that joke.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:48 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe he's thinking of my colors.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:51 [UNKNOWN]: It does he watch this, he should watch this.
01:09:51 --> 01:10:13 [UNKNOWN]: He did actually, this is, he did suggest that if ever we want to do an ad read, if I want to sell advertising on the podcast, because he hasn't listened to it, we should really do want for some kind of online therapy, because of the number of character deaths, but be because the ad copy pretty much writes itself, are you like a hero stuck in a hole
01:10:18 --> 01:10:28 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, but anyway in this whole it is nice looking as you say so a big difference which from the book is in the book They have the same view out of like the cafeteria and did nothingness that the other silos have?
01:10:29 --> 01:10:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, sorry.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:34 [UNKNOWN]: It's like mountains and trees and somewhere out west.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:36 [UNKNOWN]: I think like pro Colorado kind of
01:10:36 --> 01:10:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, some screens of the before time, basically.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and yeah, I think that's interesting.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's because it's something definitely Abby and I will talk about, like, how does that psychologically affects people?
01:10:48 --> 01:11:00 [UNKNOWN]: Because there's a whole discussion about that in the books, about people who want to look at the waste and remember and people who just want to turn away from the wasteland and pretend it's not there.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:03 [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's take another quick break here
01:11:08 --> 01:11:09 [UNKNOWN]: questioning authority.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: Showering off the trauma after Troy's attention is caught by a scar on his hand, triggering memories of a woman he can't quite remember bandaging his hand during a nano-fueled carnapping once upon a time.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:30 [UNKNOWN]: Victor then takes Troy to the director, Senator Thurman, Laura Innes, who has also just been rapid sequenced awake for debrief.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:35 [UNKNOWN]: She is impressed by Troy's cool head and innovative leadership.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:43 [UNKNOWN]: However, she tells Troy that she has released Susan after he had placed her under arrest, pending an inquiry.
01:11:43 --> 01:11:52 [UNKNOWN]: After neutralization is considered and dismissed as a punishment, Thurmond decides that the best move is just to demote her and put her back to sleep.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:56 [UNKNOWN]: Troy nods in agreement and Thurmond sends him to go back to sleep as well.
01:11:57 --> 01:12:01 [UNKNOWN]: So, pausing there, how long do we think he was awake this time?
01:12:02 --> 01:12:06 [UNKNOWN]: I can't have been more than a few hours, right?
01:12:06 --> 01:12:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, yeah, this is like, this is the hell done y'all.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:15 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, who's done y'all deliberately is in.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:17 [UNKNOWN]: He's just, he's just a tool.
01:12:18 --> 01:12:21 [UNKNOWN]: He's just a, he's literally just a cog in a machine.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:25 [UNKNOWN]: And again, I go back to a point of race earlier.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:29 [UNKNOWN]: What are they told Troy that would make him,
01:12:31 --> 01:12:41 [UNKNOWN]: that would make him go along with us to make him sacrifice any part of our life to just be this person that gets woken open, but that is sleep, but woken open, but I should sleep.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:49 [UNKNOWN]: And he doesn't even have any time in between to interact with anybody that he's not either being commanded by or commanded.
01:12:52 --> 01:12:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and will this this whole idea of him be only being awake a few hours, we'll put a pin in it for a minute in my back to it.
01:12:59 --> 01:13:08 [UNKNOWN]: But before Victor can shuffle Troy back off to cryo, he asks Victor about the woman he keeps seeing in his dreams and memories.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:12 [UNKNOWN]: Victor placed up as if this is the first time Troy's bringing this up.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:18 [UNKNOWN]: After Troy begs him for answers with detached intensity, like in your right, Ashley's argument is placed that so well,
01:13:20 --> 01:13:23 [UNKNOWN]: he's chilling you and your heart's breaking for him at the same time.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:13:25 --> 01:13:30 [UNKNOWN]: Victor writes a note, who is she in his notebook, promising Troy, he will look into it.
01:13:30 --> 01:13:34 [UNKNOWN]: If he finds anything, finds anything he'll tell Troy about it next time he wakes up.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:43 [UNKNOWN]: Victor sees Troy back to his cryo chamber and then deposits the notes he wrote in Troy's file, which is full of a bunch of identical notes.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I just they are this this whole thing Sticking in the Ashley's Aquaman thing.
01:13:54 --> 01:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: I've learned a thing along the lines like when we just learned recently that Genozo J and Caitlyn's Allzer married I learned that Ashley's Aquaman's sister is Wendy's Aquaman from science versus one of my favorite podcasts
01:14:08 --> 01:14:09 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, cool.
01:14:09 --> 01:14:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not familiar with the podcast, but cool.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's a, it's a really great, like, she'll, she'll take a science question from popular culture and just like investigate it in a really fun way and talk to Okay, so how she already done one on cryogenic, and if not, when is she doing one on cryogenic?
01:14:29 --> 01:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it's a ben and popular science topic because it's often like I started listening to her during the pandemic Because she and she would interview Fauci regularly and you would get someone like the best Most up-to-date most even killed information about what was going on.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:45 [UNKNOWN]: Okay
01:14:46 --> 01:14:57 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, so I just, you know, I obviously I've had this parasocial relationship with his sister for years and then I'm thinking as I'm watching this and like, oh, is he thinking about her while he's having this thing with Charlotte?
01:14:58 --> 01:15:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, when you find out a little bit like that, the thing I can't answer to Jay and Kaylons, I was being married, yeah, it's just, yeah, it's where are you getting the inspiration for you before with this role?
01:15:13 --> 01:15:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's nice, and I like to see people that I like who have relationships with each other.
01:15:20 --> 01:15:22 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't like to see that port in his chest.
01:15:22 --> 01:15:24 [UNKNOWN]: It was very cancer-coded.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:26 [UNKNOWN]: It was, but it does make so.
01:15:26 --> 01:15:27 [UNKNOWN]: Very sci-fi.
01:15:27 --> 01:15:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, because because they must be feeding at the very least, while he's crying genuinely frozen, they must be feeding him nutrition and, like,
01:15:42 --> 01:15:46 [UNKNOWN]: if they're not like administering what are the types of drugs as well.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:54 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about Victor saying, and Victor's credit he seemed horrified by this?
01:15:55 --> 01:15:58 [UNKNOWN]: The pilots I've debriefed so far seem almost exhilarated.
01:15:58 --> 01:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: I may have underestevenated there, and then we get the weird professionals Victor.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:05 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you're, yeah, you're something more.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:06 [UNKNOWN]: What does that mean?
01:16:06 --> 01:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, quite.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:13 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think what he's referring to is they have conditions Troy.
01:16:13 --> 01:16:22 [UNKNOWN]: They have built the Troy personality to be brilliant at this one thing, building on Daniel's sort of native intelligence,
01:16:28 --> 01:16:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's not like what we saw with Charlotte or with Juliette.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:36 [UNKNOWN]: They have used the memory drugs to construct an entirely different person.
01:16:37 --> 01:17:01 [UNKNOWN]: And Daniel and Victor sort of talked about this earlier on in the season, could you feed people false memories of Victor said, you could, but it would be very difficult or clearly they've kind of, I'm paraphrasing that, but clearly they've tracked it, I just really hope we see both with Troy and with Susan, like the process that was gone through to get them to this point.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe a montage.
01:17:06 --> 01:17:08 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm telling you why I've been rocking it.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've been rocking it.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've been rocking it.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:11 [UNKNOWN]: A montage montage.
01:17:14 --> 01:17:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, so were you surprised when they were talking about serving the director's place?
01:17:20 --> 01:17:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought it was going to be persistence.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:24 [UNKNOWN]: They even people who have read the books.
01:17:25 --> 01:17:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think we're expecting pair stents in there the way people were talking about it.
01:17:28 --> 01:17:29 [UNKNOWN]: But I was like, no, it's German.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be German and it was.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:36 [UNKNOWN]: But it does, I think, make sense with pair stents in his character.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:38 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't want to be in the guy out front.
01:17:38 --> 01:17:40 [UNKNOWN]: He wants to be the puppet master.
01:17:45 --> 01:17:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what did you think there's the greetings of Doug and Randy at the door and they were both credited with names David a suguzo and Nuhail to its guy.
01:17:55 --> 01:17:59 [UNKNOWN]: And so I wonder if they will be important next season.
01:17:59 --> 01:18:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, possibly.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: I was paying attention to the credits and sort of like which characters are going to be important for next season.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:14 [UNKNOWN]: But he seems and they seem impressed that he knows their name or smurks at him or something.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he couldn't read their expressions.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:20 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of Thurman's office with her tea?
01:18:20 --> 01:18:22 [UNKNOWN]: Those supplies are running low.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought that was, yeah, like how your light bulbs Thurman.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:42 [UNKNOWN]: how your life holds yeah, but I think you had just thought about a seripy sweet sort of George Jackson at the same time they're discussing this horrific thing and she's talking we have to say it's just it's really off putting your puts you on edge and it's meant to put you on edge.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:46 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't think Laura, Laura, and it's just a really good job of playing them.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:49 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, as a dumb Brit, I have a question.
01:18:50 --> 01:18:54 [UNKNOWN]: So I watched enough American shows to know that they are a southern thing.
01:18:54 --> 01:18:58 [UNKNOWN]: And I watched enough American shows to know they are a breakfast thing.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:00 [UNKNOWN]: But what are greats?
01:19:01 --> 01:19:25 [UNKNOWN]: oh it's corn based basically it's a bit like you my put like it's creamy like creams corn basically okay like a porridge but you might put stuff in it might put maple syrup in it's something like that yeah okay so it's sort of like yeah okay cool but yeah I always want to know because they always sound so a baby like potato he hash brownie okay no yeah
01:19:28 --> 01:19:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but Thurman's office was massive.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:33 [UNKNOWN]: It was my God.
01:19:34 --> 01:19:44 [UNKNOWN]: And uh, I shout out to a Nicole Northridge was credited as a production designer on this episode, uh, that was absolutely stunningly decorated.
01:19:44 --> 01:19:49 [UNKNOWN]: But I guess it just goes to show, I don't know.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:50 [UNKNOWN]: How many people are even awake at a time?
01:19:50 --> 01:19:51 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder.
01:19:51 --> 01:19:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, exactly.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:55 [UNKNOWN]: How many people are on a shift?
01:19:55 --> 01:19:58 [UNKNOWN]: And are there any children inside of one?
01:19:59 --> 01:20:04 [UNKNOWN]: Or are these old people from the before times that get woken up periodically?
01:20:07 --> 01:20:29 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so we get the debrief of what happened with Salah 17 with Massacre, and so we find out 9 were killed, so Victor says no more than 100 left inside, no generator, no power except for IT, but they can't cut that off without cutting off the sector, food will die, water will rise, they'll just die out he says.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:31 --> 01:20:34 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, that didn't happen because solo and the kids are there.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:20:38 --> 01:20:39 [UNKNOWN]: I do.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we got some more.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:45 [UNKNOWN]: I will share in the chat on Discord.
01:20:45 --> 01:20:55 [UNKNOWN]: A the best picture I could take of the schematic of the cluster of silos, but yeah, we found out we got a nice a better image of their cluster.
01:20:56 --> 01:20:56 [UNKNOWN]: What it looks like.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then the coldness about that boy.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:08 [UNKNOWN]: He had no further valuable information to give so we cut off comms, boom.
01:21:08 --> 01:21:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:12 [UNKNOWN]: And that was Jimmy and his long, lonely life.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:15 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, follow up plan.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:21 [UNKNOWN]: Three years of arm drone surveillance Daniel insists on five and then it sent back to bed.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: But not before Thurman presses for details on Susan, what did you think of
01:21:29 --> 01:21:44 [UNKNOWN]: she was kind of dangling he said what is the what is the directive say about what you know is the punishment for their in subordination and she was like she was like a neutralization but we can't do that.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:50 [UNKNOWN]: I think she's trying to deliberately bait.
01:21:50 --> 01:21:54 [UNKNOWN]: I can never work out what's to call him Troy or Daniel at this point.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:54 [UNKNOWN]: I think Daniel.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:55 [UNKNOWN]: I think Troy when he's Troy.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: OK.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:59 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he starts Daniel again.
01:21:59 --> 01:22:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think he's deliberately trying to bait Troy to sort of work out how much Daniel is still in there.
01:22:07 --> 01:22:12 [UNKNOWN]: I sort of almost dangling in the memory of the sister and from them and seeing how he reacts.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:19 [UNKNOWN]: And it has to be said, at the moment, there is no memory of Charlotte there, whatsoever.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:23 [UNKNOWN]: Victor even looks sad about it as he's watching on.
01:22:23 --> 01:22:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:25 --> 01:22:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:26 --> 01:22:28 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he is being rather hard ass.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: He reminded me for a second of like season one billings, but a step further, you know?
01:22:33 --> 01:22:35 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, like several steps further.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:38 [UNKNOWN]: Like what is what is the book tell me to do?
01:22:39 --> 01:22:40 [UNKNOWN]: What is the script tell me to do?
01:22:40 --> 01:22:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:43 --> 01:23:05 [UNKNOWN]: And so this is where we hear from Thurman that they need Susan quote unquote charlots skills at the end of the project why do you think they'll need drone pilots at the end of the project I don't know I've been I've been really chilling on that and I don't know Possibly to make contact with the rest of the world
01:23:11 --> 01:23:18 [UNKNOWN]: I still think there's probably more survivors out there somewhere, and I think there may be other clusters of sites.
01:23:18 --> 01:23:24 [UNKNOWN]: Because, look, just, I find pair stenson, and I'm the richest man in the world.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:30 [UNKNOWN]: And I think the apocalypse is coming, and I'm going to build this project to prevent it.
01:23:32 --> 01:23:43 [UNKNOWN]: I can build more than 50 silos, like the engineering problem is difficult, but I have the funds and the resources and the government are access to be able to build more than 50 silos.
01:23:44 --> 01:23:45 [UNKNOWN]: So why wouldn't I?
01:23:46 --> 01:23:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my wouldn't you?
01:23:48 --> 01:23:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:23:50 --> 01:23:55 [UNKNOWN]: So that's the best I can come up with at the moment, but I will keep chewing on that,
01:24:02 --> 01:24:10 [UNKNOWN]: And then also Thurmin says that they can't eliminate Susan because she's important to my daughter.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:14 [UNKNOWN]: So it's like, okay, it's Anna presumably asleep now.
01:24:14 --> 01:24:16 [UNKNOWN]: Is she still with Susan?
01:24:16 --> 01:24:19 [UNKNOWN]: What does Susan know?
01:24:19 --> 01:24:21 [UNKNOWN]: Like to Susan know that this is her wife?
01:24:22 --> 01:24:23 [UNKNOWN]: What do she think?
01:24:23 --> 01:24:27 [UNKNOWN]: And this is what makes me think Helen might still be alive.
01:24:28 --> 01:24:30 [UNKNOWN]: because she was in a different side of that.
01:24:30 --> 01:24:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, just bear with me.
01:24:32 --> 01:24:39 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I think Thurmin is behind all this pulling, sorry, I think, sorry, let's do that again.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:42 [UNKNOWN]: I think Stenson is behind all this pulling the strings.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:50 [UNKNOWN]: And I think the reason and the rest of the life is he wants leverage over Thurmin.
01:24:52 --> 01:24:59 [UNKNOWN]: You know, do what I say, you know, do what I say, don't have any doubts about the program or Anna gets it, basically we pull the plug.
01:25:02 --> 01:25:25 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm thinking, yes, Helen might be in Tyler 17, but if I'm pissed and I would have tried to keep her alive because if I need Daniel as much as this episode indicates that I did, however well I've built this Troy personality, A because I'm a billionaire and I've got I've,
01:25:26 --> 01:25:33 [UNKNOWN]: and I've clearly gone out of my way and everything I've done so far in this show to build contingencies on top of my contingencies.
01:25:36 --> 01:25:43 [UNKNOWN]: Why wouldn't I want to have an ultimate piece of leverage over Daniel in the form of his wife and his child?
01:25:45 --> 01:25:46 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I mean,
01:25:47 --> 01:25:53 [UNKNOWN]: But we know when the bomb went off, Helen was right next to 18.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:54 [UNKNOWN]: I know, I know.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:55 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:55 [UNKNOWN]: OK.
01:25:56 --> 01:25:57 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:25:57 --> 01:25:58 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:25:59 --> 01:26:03 [UNKNOWN]: And we know, of course, that a bunch of her, as a bunch of stuff from her.
01:26:03 --> 01:26:05 [UNKNOWN]: A bunch of stuff from her ended up in 19.
01:26:05 --> 01:26:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no question.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'm clutching at straws here, Alicia, but I'm really, I'm really clutching at those straws because I really don't like, I don't want Daniel to like remember all this stuff, I'll have to deal with all the heinous shit he's done on his own, that would feel just too awful.
01:26:24 --> 01:26:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he does have a sister there, we know that.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:26 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:26:33 --> 01:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, did you notice the, a shoutout also to the makeup, uh, the credit seems to go to Cheryl Garvey and Jennifer Harty, especially, but Victor's aging was well done.
01:26:44 --> 01:26:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was really well done.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:50 [UNKNOWN]: So it seemed clear to me, Victor has been awake more.
01:26:51 --> 01:26:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like he's been pulling
01:27:01 --> 01:27:09 [UNKNOWN]: I do think that makes sense, because he wrote the packs, or at least edit it.
01:27:09 --> 01:27:17 [UNKNOWN]: So he's got to be across multiple silos, and also I think that the nature of Victor's character is his control freak.
01:27:18 --> 01:27:25 [UNKNOWN]: because the whole thing with the memory drugs is being able to control him and that you're environment and his environment.
01:27:26 --> 01:27:33 [UNKNOWN]: So I think he would want to know as much about what is going on in all of the survivors as he possibly could.
01:27:34 --> 01:27:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:27:36 --> 01:27:38 [UNKNOWN]: I mean he is he's acting a lot.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:40 [UNKNOWN]: He's acting dumb with Daniel.
01:27:40 --> 01:27:49 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, you remember a woman with department as she work in and and and Troy's like, I feel like I raised you before and he's like, well, I'll tell you.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll tell you.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll tell you.
01:27:50 --> 01:27:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:53 [UNKNOWN]: Liar.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:54 [UNKNOWN]: Liar.
01:27:55 --> 01:27:55 [UNKNOWN]: Seriously.
01:27:55 --> 01:27:58 [UNKNOWN]: I really hate you right now, but I really do.
01:27:59 --> 01:28:04 [UNKNOWN]: And then he's kind of like poking to see what Troy knows also is like about the scar.
01:28:04 --> 01:28:06 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, when did this happen?
01:28:06 --> 01:28:07 [UNKNOWN]: No idea who she is.
01:28:07 --> 01:28:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:14 [UNKNOWN]: And I just wonder how much Troy actually believes.
01:28:14 --> 01:28:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he gives Victor, like you said, like you said, the show notes, he gives him a, yeah, whatever you say, Victor.
01:28:21 --> 01:28:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and then Troy, though, he seems to trust Victor than other more than other people, but it does seem like Victor has thus far he's been there when he wakes up, like him printing on him almost.
01:28:43 --> 01:28:43 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, Troy.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like I do sort of wonder when Troy gets put back in cryo where he does the I'll be seeing you and then Troy does another if I see you first.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like that that feels very much like imprinted behavior.
01:28:57 --> 01:28:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, is it that's like a column response kind of thing, right?
01:28:59 --> 01:29:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it definitely is, yeah.
01:29:02 --> 01:29:16 [UNKNOWN]: I clock the same thing, yeah, yeah, but so Troy asks Victor if he has access to records that would help and he says, yeah, the whole purpose and design of this project is to free us from the past as how Victor explains it.
01:29:18 --> 01:29:24 [UNKNOWN]: How do you think this silo project frees them humanity, the founders, whatever, from the past?
01:29:25 --> 01:29:33 [UNKNOWN]: Well I think what Victor is talking about is the nuclear apocalypse, but like I said before I think what?
01:29:34 --> 01:29:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to say it's past that, until somebody tells me otherwise I'm assuming in past tense and it's behind this.
01:29:40 --> 01:29:48 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so it's what I said earlier, I think past tense and it's basically trying to engineer humanity and in order to do that,
01:29:54 --> 01:30:12 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but it seems like he thinks he can ask Victor to break the directive, and he says, yeah, I've proven my value to the project with capital T and P. So we know that's what they call the project of the project.
01:30:13 --> 01:30:17 [UNKNOWN]: He just wants one little question, which obviously is not very little.
01:30:17 --> 01:30:18 [UNKNOWN]: It's not very little.
01:30:20 --> 01:30:25 [UNKNOWN]: And I counted, there was at least 10 notes in the trial file.
01:30:25 --> 01:30:28 [UNKNOWN]: So I think I counted 15, but.
01:30:28 --> 01:30:29 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:30:29 --> 01:30:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I could, I could have been, I was being conservative.
01:30:32 --> 01:30:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:30:33 --> 01:30:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, at least 10.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:35 [UNKNOWN]: And.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:53 [UNKNOWN]: I just I hope that like maybe the beginning of next season we get a montage that's just a Troy waking up for all these like going under and then waking up for all these shifts Yeah, so this point do you can just do that do another like 20 minute opening like this one, you know
01:30:56 --> 01:31:00 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then I had to clock, they give him pills when it goes back under.
01:31:00 --> 01:31:02 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if that's like the same pills, Julie.
01:31:02 --> 01:31:04 [UNKNOWN]: That was taking at the beginning of the season.
01:31:05 --> 01:31:06 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they could be with them.
01:31:07 --> 01:31:10 [UNKNOWN]: They could be, but they could be for any number of other things.
01:31:10 --> 01:31:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:31:11 --> 01:31:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:31:11 --> 01:31:14 [UNKNOWN]: They could be, but it just, they're doing something with his memory.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:17 [UNKNOWN]: That he doesn't remember that he keeps asking Victor the same question.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:18 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:31:19 --> 01:31:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then Troy is back in pod six seven eight three four it's having in the notes.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:33 [UNKNOWN]: If it's significant next season, easy access to look it up.
01:31:33 --> 01:31:35 [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes that's kind of what the notes are.
01:31:37 --> 01:31:41 [UNKNOWN]: But let's get into, this is where the story starts overlapped between the silos.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: So starting with waiting for let's go, 10 points if you get where that comes from.
01:31:50 --> 01:31:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's waiting for Gadoo.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:51 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway,
01:31:54 --> 01:32:02 [UNKNOWN]: Back in the now cleared up top cafeteria, Mayor Julia Nichols were back at Ferguson and Judge Robert Sims common anxiously weight under guard.
01:32:03 --> 01:32:09 [UNKNOWN]: As Julia points out, they've done all that they can and now they just have to trust the others to get the capapy project done.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:19 [UNKNOWN]: Robert pleads with the guards to be allowed to see his son saying he needs to be able to say goodbye as he assumes the entire silo might be wiped out soon.
01:32:20 --> 01:32:23 [UNKNOWN]: Anthony Oscar Coleman is brought to his father in the cafeteria.
01:32:24 --> 01:32:29 [UNKNOWN]: And the guards are again Joe and Chad play by Leah Gores and Tom Cox.
01:32:29 --> 01:32:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a feeling they might come back.
01:32:31 --> 01:32:38 [UNKNOWN]: See last episode's discussion about them, but I was thinking Mark Chambers asked for the names of the two raiders who
01:32:40 --> 01:32:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did that didn't occur to me whilst watching the episode on either the first time or the rewatch, but yeah, it absolutely could be
01:32:53 --> 01:32:57 [UNKNOWN]: But Chad, you know, he's a hard ass, but he does soften.
01:32:57 --> 01:33:01 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, Chad, you have kids, please, and he does go get Anthony for him.
01:33:01 --> 01:33:04 [UNKNOWN]: Which, like, Larry's Anthony, just like, you're on the way.
01:33:05 --> 01:33:08 [UNKNOWN]: Just, yeah, because he gets them very quickly, doesn't he?
01:33:08 --> 01:33:10 [UNKNOWN]: So is he just waiting around the corner, yeah?
01:33:11 --> 01:33:12 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think there's a cut.
01:33:12 --> 01:33:14 [UNKNOWN]: No, but I was just thinking, like, he is he scared.
01:33:14 --> 01:33:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I guess there was a shot elsewhere of people walking around the side, though, and no one else knows what the shit's going down.
01:33:20 --> 01:33:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:22 --> 01:33:27 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about Juliet and Robert bonding over Camille?
01:33:27 --> 01:33:29 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, that bitch, right?
01:33:29 --> 01:33:31 [UNKNOWN]: But like, he's like, she's hard-headed.
01:33:31 --> 01:33:38 [UNKNOWN]: He's respectful, you know, it's his wife, but they're both respectful, but they both share frustrations.
01:33:38 --> 01:33:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think even though, I think even though, in spite of the events of this episode, I still think the Sims marriage is done.
01:33:49 --> 01:33:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:50 --> 01:33:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:51 --> 01:33:56 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I don't see how they can ever get back to trusting one another again.
01:33:58 --> 01:34:00 [UNKNOWN]: Um, because it's interesting that they're both alive.
01:34:00 --> 01:34:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:34:01 --> 01:34:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's interesting that they're both alive, but I don't know.
01:34:05 --> 01:34:11 [UNKNOWN]: I just don't see how I just don't see how you can put everything that's happened and call it water under the bridge.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying now.
01:34:12 --> 01:34:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying they won't get on and they're not saying they can't they won't be sort of civil in terms of raising Anthony, but I don't think their marriage is going to survive this season.
01:34:23 --> 01:34:32 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, it was nice to see Anthony so excited to see his father though because after all the shit that Camille's been talking, he's still like daddy.
01:34:33 --> 01:34:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was like, it was like the softer moments with Robert Sims, because it makes him like in the hands of different writers and in the hands of a different actor.
01:34:44 --> 01:34:51 [UNKNOWN]: I think it would be very easy to make Robert Sims a war note, thug, heart man, but common.
01:34:52 --> 01:34:58 [UNKNOWN]: common and I think the writers show you that the Sims is a more rounded more complete human being than that.
01:34:58 --> 01:35:03 [UNKNOWN]: So I always write the moments, the softer moments, Robert Sims.
01:35:05 --> 01:35:07 [UNKNOWN]: Because it makes him a more believable character.
01:35:08 --> 01:35:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:35:09 --> 01:35:13 [UNKNOWN]: And that's definitely something that's been added in the show, versus the book where Sims is just, yeah.
01:35:14 --> 01:35:17 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, where he is just, he's a thug and just like hard.
01:35:18 --> 01:35:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, until at some point, he does indeed throw away with the silo vendors, but yeah.
01:35:25 --> 01:35:28 [UNKNOWN]: We're not surprisingly called the silo actors in the book.
01:35:28 --> 01:35:28 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:35:28 --> 01:35:30 [UNKNOWN]: That's the season for the neat t-shirt.
01:35:31 --> 01:35:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have it's also my heart broke.
01:35:37 --> 01:35:41 [UNKNOWN]: Where's mommy, mommy's at work, and then you cut to communal having a meltdown?
01:35:41 --> 01:35:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like, don't kill us all.
01:35:44 --> 01:35:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, my mom needs to work now.
01:35:46 --> 01:35:46 [UNKNOWN]: Don't worry.
01:35:46 --> 01:35:47 [UNKNOWN]: I'm moving, don't worry.
01:35:47 --> 01:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'm moving, I'm pleading for our lives, don't.
01:35:53 --> 01:35:56 [UNKNOWN]: I'll also clocked Robert gives Anthony back the peas dispenser.
01:35:56 --> 01:35:59 [UNKNOWN]: So now you know about the Troy Daniel thing.
01:35:59 --> 01:36:00 [UNKNOWN]: I can say that
01:36:01 --> 01:36:14 [UNKNOWN]: I've been waiting all season for someone to, I thought that it must be Troy on the other end of the voice the whole season and I thought that somebody was going to come in with that pez dispenser and he was going to see it and he was going to be like, Oh, no, I remember.
01:36:15 --> 01:36:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:36:16 --> 01:36:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:17 --> 01:36:20 [UNKNOWN]: So no pez dispenser in the book again, relics not per se in the book.
01:36:20 --> 01:36:23 [UNKNOWN]: There are like significant personal objects.
01:36:23 --> 01:36:24 [UNKNOWN]: I can see where they got it from.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:25 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:30 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I just like, somebody show that thing to Troy next to him.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:31 --> 01:36:34 [UNKNOWN]: Boom, it all comes flooding back.
01:36:34 --> 01:36:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a date.
01:36:40 --> 01:36:40 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:36:40 --> 01:37:00 [UNKNOWN]: Let's let's dive into Camille's Gambit, picking up where the last episode silo-18 story left off Shirley Campbell, Rummy Millner, Digan Knox, Shea McCray, and Teddy Alotun Jofi, and minors used pickaxes to break through part of the ceiling in the minds that they've weakened with explosives.
01:37:00 --> 01:37:06 [UNKNOWN]: While the mechanicals and miners work, head of IT, Camille Sims, Alexandria Riley, rushes into action herself.
01:37:06 --> 01:37:19 [UNKNOWN]: She asks Chief Judicial Goon Emerson, Florian Claire, to gather all of the raiders she can find and deliver, quote unquote, the cylinders, to the mines immediately, adding under her breath the instruction to make sure they are seen.
01:37:20 --> 01:37:22 [UNKNOWN]: Just then, the vault keyfob buzzes.
01:37:22 --> 01:37:24 [UNKNOWN]: The voice is calling.
01:37:24 --> 01:37:29 [UNKNOWN]: Camille arrives to find a countdown on the screen with 50 seconds remaining until the safeguard is implemented.
01:37:30 --> 01:37:36 [UNKNOWN]: She assures the voice that her raiders are about to launch a counter-offensive and pleads with the voice to stop the countdown.
01:37:37 --> 01:37:42 [UNKNOWN]: The voice tells her she's been given extraordinary latitude and the window of opportunity is closed.
01:37:43 --> 01:37:48 [UNKNOWN]: switching to the silo one perspective, we see Victor is currently the human behind the voice.
01:37:48 --> 01:37:52 [UNKNOWN]: Moved by her pleading, he has the timer reset to five minutes.
01:37:53 --> 01:38:00 [UNKNOWN]: As Camille's team of Raiders moves into position, Victor's operations team preps to implement the safeguard when the timer runs out.
01:38:01 --> 01:38:05 [UNKNOWN]: In the minds, Knox sends Teddy with a team to intercept the Raiders.
01:38:05 --> 01:38:13 [UNKNOWN]: As Knox breaks through the safeguard pipe's location from below, the Raiders subdue Teddy and his team continue into the minds.
01:38:13 --> 01:38:18 [UNKNOWN]: Knox and Shirley are already clamping the pipe's shut with all their effort combined.
01:38:18 --> 01:38:25 [UNKNOWN]: Camille continues to bleed with and control the suddenly quiet voice as both sides watch the clock ticked down.
01:38:26 --> 01:38:36 [UNKNOWN]: In Salah 1, one of the technicians monitoring Salah 18, Amika Agada, points out to Victor that a canister dropped by a radar slipped and showed the label.
01:38:37 --> 01:38:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's not poison gas, it's oxygen.
01:38:40 --> 01:38:42 [UNKNOWN]: Victor calls for full pressure.
01:38:42 --> 01:38:47 [UNKNOWN]: The safeguard is to be implemented with 34 seconds on the countdown remaining, but it's too late.
01:38:48 --> 01:38:50 [UNKNOWN]: Knox and Shirley have closed the pipe.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:56 [UNKNOWN]: Victor looks stunned, knocks and surely collapse in exhaustion, and Camille cries in relief.
01:38:59 --> 01:39:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, really excited and props to her, I mean, I'm giving props to everybody.
01:39:08 --> 01:39:13 [UNKNOWN]: This episode, but props to Alexandria Riley because those scenes cannot be easy to do.
01:39:13 --> 01:39:20 [UNKNOWN]: She is a moathing for all she is, and like, always wonder like, what happens?
01:39:21 --> 01:39:23 [UNKNOWN]: when the director yells cut on those scenes.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:27 [UNKNOWN]: You have to go away in a corner and just gather yourself for a bit.
01:39:27 --> 01:39:31 [UNKNOWN]: Or can you, if you're not, you can just go straight off from the shit you're not.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:35 [UNKNOWN]: Because like, yeah, I'm giving it everything you've got.
01:39:36 --> 01:39:40 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder how they did it, like, because they weren't in the same room, obviously.
01:39:41 --> 01:39:41 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:39:43 --> 01:40:01 [UNKNOWN]: No, um, I like, yeah, I was, I was, it's, it's, it's such a credit to the show because intellectually, you know they're going to cap the pipe because you know that there's an entire season that I've never heard.
01:40:01 --> 01:40:05 [UNKNOWN]: So they're not going to wipe out all the current, they're not going to wipe out like.
01:40:06 --> 01:40:08 [UNKNOWN]: eight tenths of the main characters.
01:40:09 --> 01:40:16 [UNKNOWN]: But I was... Now you know it just becomes the Lucas, because it just becomes the Lucas and Troi, the Lucas Patrick and Troi Jo.
01:40:18 --> 01:40:24 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I was genuinely nervous that they might not, that they might not get a caped in time.
01:40:25 --> 01:40:32 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't do the switching perspectives between side-loading and side-up one was really well done.
01:40:32 --> 01:40:50 [UNKNOWN]: and you can tell Victor really doesn't want to do this, but you can tell he's reached his limit with the killing, and he's looking for any excuse not to push the button because I've been kind of wondering for at least the last three episodes.
01:40:51 --> 01:41:00 [UNKNOWN]: Why isn't the voice just activating the St. God there so far outside of like the parameters of the packed at this point?
01:41:01 --> 01:41:05 [UNKNOWN]: And you know, fiction's right, fiction's right.
01:41:05 --> 01:41:08 [UNKNOWN]: Can me or husband give an extraordinary laugh to you.
01:41:08 --> 01:41:09 [UNKNOWN]: I would I would guess.
01:41:10 --> 01:41:15 [UNKNOWN]: more as a student than that's ever been given to a head of IT and any other side of it.
01:41:15 --> 01:41:27 [UNKNOWN]: But I think this episode did a very good job of explaining that Victor is trying desperately not to do this, and therefore I think he himself has probably stepped beyond his authoritative quite a bit.
01:41:30 --> 01:41:45 [UNKNOWN]: And I do, I do wonder with, I assume Thurman was in, was in suspended on the mason through this, because I can't see her as the director going along with what's been happening in at least the last three episodes.
01:41:46 --> 01:41:46 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:41:47 --> 01:41:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think she would have insisted you push the button like they're so far out the pack.
01:41:52 --> 01:41:53 [UNKNOWN]: this is getting dangerous.
01:41:53 --> 01:41:59 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that she wouldn't have, uh, with with Victor Stalin or giving that five minutes.
01:41:59 --> 01:42:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not just that particular bit of story, but like the whole thing, I don't think she would have let them send Lucas and Patrick to another side.
01:42:07 --> 01:42:09 [UNKNOWN]: I think that would have put the hammer down.
01:42:10 --> 01:42:11 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I got you.
01:42:11 --> 01:42:11 [UNKNOWN]: I got you.
01:42:11 --> 01:42:12 [UNKNOWN]: I got you.
01:42:14 --> 01:42:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, because the idea was they were just supposed to be drawn outside to be killed and that's what, you know, they talk about that they call it the external safeguard now.
01:42:21 --> 01:42:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:23 --> 01:42:26 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, I mean, we need that perspective.
01:42:26 --> 01:42:27 [UNKNOWN]: Why didn't that killing go so well?
01:42:28 --> 01:42:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
01:42:29 --> 01:42:38 [UNKNOWN]: Like the so the so many gaps that you don't necessarily need them filling in to like finish the story, but it would just be nice.
01:42:39 --> 01:42:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think there will be, I think that that is the thing about doing this side by side is we are still only seeing parts of certain situations.
01:42:47 --> 01:42:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:48 --> 01:42:55 [UNKNOWN]: Especially with this whole holding the Troy reveal for the last episode and I absolutely, I said before and I said why they did it.
01:42:55 --> 01:43:02 [UNKNOWN]: Um, it's, yeah, it just, they're holding things back more for sure because they have a whole other season of reverse.
01:43:02 --> 01:43:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they, they know they've got time.
01:43:05 --> 01:43:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, next season's going to be like, bam, bam, bam, bam, yeah.
01:43:09 --> 01:43:15 [UNKNOWN]: Just to shout out the other cello-one technician, savvy Clement for symmetry.
01:43:17 --> 01:43:18 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
01:43:18 --> 01:43:21 [UNKNOWN]: OK, where do you think Camille stands on the redemption arc?
01:43:21 --> 01:43:25 [UNKNOWN]: Has she reached, has she nearing green art at levels?
01:43:25 --> 01:43:30 [UNKNOWN]: Or, like, it seems the vitamin D plus also confirmed not in the water.
01:43:30 --> 01:43:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, did the, um,
01:43:33 --> 01:43:43 [UNKNOWN]: water comes in and says the water's safe, in which case I need to know what was the placebo that was in those barrels, because I'm still, maybe it's just a vitamin.
01:43:43 --> 01:43:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not like 100% sure.
01:43:45 --> 01:43:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'd need to go back and rewatch the entire season.
01:43:49 --> 01:43:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'll try to do in advance of the recap, but I'm not sure I can date exactly when coming or change the size of the stock.
01:43:59 --> 01:44:13 [UNKNOWN]: Because people, as we discussed in one of the mailbox, I think it was people did point out that the barrels used when you first saw them being brought out of critical supply, they clearly were labeled a vitamin D D plus.
01:44:13 --> 01:44:17 [UNKNOWN]: And then later, by the time they reached water filtration,
01:44:18 --> 01:44:21 [UNKNOWN]: there was no such label on them that was visible at least.
01:44:21 --> 01:44:25 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so it was, it was, so we're saying they were swapped out somewhere on the stairs.
01:44:25 --> 01:44:30 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, I mean, yeah, maybe like the poison gas that was actually oxygen-tank.
01:44:30 --> 01:44:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:44:31 --> 01:44:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it was also note where the Camille says to Emerson, make sure you're seen, I'm like, oh, by the cameras, but I really like, and I, my heart broke for her, too, and like, you have five minutes.
01:44:44 --> 01:44:46 [UNKNOWN]: That's not an issue.
01:44:46 --> 01:44:48 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my God, that's not enough time.
01:44:50 --> 01:44:57 [UNKNOWN]: And damn, Victor, like, in one hand, you want to think he's one of the more empathetic ones.
01:44:57 --> 01:44:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you have made this necessary.
01:44:59 --> 01:45:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Camille, your failure made a safeguard necessary.
01:45:02 --> 01:45:08 [UNKNOWN]: Like, God damn Victor, what the fuck?
01:45:08 --> 01:45:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in looking forward to an examination of his psyche post-mortem.
01:45:15 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: Next season as well.
01:45:20 --> 01:45:28 [UNKNOWN]: So things we learn about prepping the safeguard, something about there's a primary and a secondary, whatever that means.
01:45:28 --> 01:45:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:45:30 --> 01:45:32 [UNKNOWN]: There's valve, a primary.
01:45:32 --> 01:45:34 [UNKNOWN]: I guess this is along the pipes.
01:45:34 --> 01:45:37 [UNKNOWN]: We do see at one point I tried to take a picture.
01:45:37 --> 01:45:39 [UNKNOWN]: This is with the clusters with the way the pipe goes.
01:45:39 --> 01:45:41 [UNKNOWN]: So the pipe goes through 14.
01:45:42 --> 01:45:45 [UNKNOWN]: And apparently there's a valve at the edge of the silo.
01:45:45 --> 01:45:47 [UNKNOWN]: So that's where they should have turned off.
01:45:48 --> 01:45:48 [UNKNOWN]: course they didn't know that.
01:45:51 --> 01:45:57 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, there's also, I suppose, more valves along the pipe.
01:45:57 --> 01:46:00 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if there's going to be like operation cap all the pipe.
01:46:00 --> 01:46:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I don't know.
01:46:05 --> 01:46:08 [UNKNOWN]: I'm curious if anyone got better a better look, but this is where I saw
01:46:12 --> 01:46:15 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder if that could be part of a story next season.
01:46:15 --> 01:46:25 [UNKNOWN]: The one worrying thing for me is the technician said the pressure dipped for a second and then went back up and said, OK, it's a block.
01:46:26 --> 01:46:27 [UNKNOWN]: But what do you mean dips?
01:46:27 --> 01:46:31 [UNKNOWN]: Is that mean a small amount made it through and into knocks and surely and baby sure locks?
01:46:32 --> 01:46:35 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't they say exactly the same thing for soil uncertainty.
01:46:37 --> 01:46:40 [UNKNOWN]: They said, no, they said the pressure was building basically,
01:46:41 --> 01:46:44 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, yeah, I hope baby.
01:46:44 --> 01:46:47 [UNKNOWN]: I hope baby shocksy is that I hope baby shocksy is okay.
01:46:47 --> 01:46:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sticking with shocksy.
01:46:49 --> 01:46:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:46:49 --> 01:46:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'm fine.
01:46:49 --> 01:46:50 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:46:50 --> 01:46:50 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:46:50 --> 01:46:54 [UNKNOWN]: We've we've we've we've we've stayed to our we've planted our flags.
01:46:55 --> 01:46:57 [UNKNOWN]: We stayed to our physician on that.
01:46:57 --> 01:47:01 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, I hope baby I hadn't thought of that.
01:47:01 --> 01:47:02 [UNKNOWN]: I hope baby shocksy is okay.
01:47:03 --> 01:47:06 [UNKNOWN]: I think what that means is that the gas
01:47:06 --> 01:47:13 [UNKNOWN]: We're sort of passing through the main pipe line under pressure, but then drop one here, silo 18.
01:47:13 --> 01:47:18 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but oh, oh, at least you're wide, you've got wide you have to do that, right?
01:47:18 --> 01:47:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna be more, I'm gonna spend the deal or you're gonna spend the deal or you're gonna spend the deal.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna spend the deal.
01:47:23 --> 01:47:29 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, um, picking up on a question you asked for the beginning of the season about the safeguard pipe.
01:47:29 --> 01:47:34 [UNKNOWN]: They talk here about like, oh, we need to depressurize the pipe, you know, basically, and it's blocked.
01:47:34 --> 01:47:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's not getting through.
01:47:35 --> 01:47:37 [UNKNOWN]: We need to stop pushing.
01:47:38 --> 01:47:42 [UNKNOWN]: What would happen if they didn't because you would think if the pipe would burst?
01:47:42 --> 01:47:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you'd get what'd be get poisoned in all the other silos that connected to it.
01:47:47 --> 01:47:50 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, maybe, yeah, that's true, that's true.
01:47:50 --> 01:47:52 [UNKNOWN]: You might take them out the whole block.
01:47:52 --> 01:47:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got it, yeah, yeah, that's good point.
01:47:57 --> 01:48:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this silo valve was operational, the safeguard failed after that.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:07 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I'm real worried about even before they got to the points in the basement, where they're like, you think they're gonna do a backup?
01:48:07 --> 01:48:09 [UNKNOWN]: Of course, they're gonna do a backup.
01:48:09 --> 01:48:12 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, we already know that they can run a backup line through that door in the basement.
01:48:13 --> 01:48:13 [UNKNOWN]: It's just like, yeah.
01:48:15 --> 01:48:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, true, true.
01:48:17 --> 01:48:18 [UNKNOWN]: Do you believe them?
01:48:18 --> 01:48:23 [UNKNOWN]: No, but it's like, it's just an negotiation.
01:48:23 --> 01:48:24 [UNKNOWN]: A compromise.
01:48:28 --> 01:48:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:29 --> 01:48:32 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's so nice to see finally Juliette and try speak.
01:48:34 --> 01:48:38 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't know how I feel about this messaging.
01:48:40 --> 01:48:48 [UNKNOWN]: Victor gave communal five minutes of grace and it's screwed him and then he ended up killing himself, but not to laugh about that.
01:48:49 --> 01:49:01 [UNKNOWN]: But I feel like that's eccentric, a dark message about giving grace, but whereas I think that the ultimate answer of this story is the opposite did.
01:49:02 --> 01:49:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, more not less.
01:49:04 --> 01:49:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe let's just not be
01:49:08 --> 01:49:09 [UNKNOWN]: Let's try that.
01:49:12 --> 01:49:13 [UNKNOWN]: Just want to shout out the miners.
01:49:14 --> 01:49:16 [UNKNOWN]: Teddy takes along Nash and Hoover.
01:49:16 --> 01:49:17 [UNKNOWN]: He shouted them out by name.
01:49:17 --> 01:49:20 [UNKNOWN]: Although I didn't see them in the credits, maybe they'll be important in the final season.
01:49:20 --> 01:49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Covering all my bases, don't say if you listen to this before the next season, don't say it didn't have you covered.
01:49:27 --> 01:49:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, don't ask those, okay?
01:49:31 --> 01:49:33 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, let's take a quick break here.
01:49:33 --> 01:49:37 [UNKNOWN]: When we come back, we're going to catch up with Hector's facial acting.
01:49:41 --> 01:50:01 [UNKNOWN]: And then Victor's face, we also have to give Matt Craven a lot of props for that subtle close-up facial acting in where a lot of this episode is carried by his face, just like looking stunned when he realizes that he's overlapped and then it melts into a respect, I think.
01:50:03 --> 01:50:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:50:04 --> 01:50:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's sort of, yeah, it's sort of grudging respect.
01:50:07 --> 01:50:07 [UNKNOWN]: I don't so, I think,
01:50:10 --> 01:50:25 [UNKNOWN]: Like he said, like he says later on, I think he was, I think Victor is, this has been building in Victor for a long time, maybe decades, but he is done with this project, he is done with the killing people, he just doesn't want that anymore.
01:50:25 --> 01:50:34 [UNKNOWN]: So I think like he says later on in the little message to Daniel, I think it's respect, but I think it's also a tinge with a lot of relief as well that he didn't have to,
01:50:38 --> 01:50:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right, so let's get to Victor's last straw.
01:50:41 --> 01:50:48 [UNKNOWN]: Victor orders an armed drone to be sent to silo 18 to monitor them, and to shoot anyone who tries to leave on site.
01:50:48 --> 01:50:50 [UNKNOWN]: Then he orders the room to be cleared.
01:50:51 --> 01:50:54 [UNKNOWN]: Alone, he speaks to Camille, complimenting her ability to lie.
01:50:55 --> 01:51:02 [UNKNOWN]: Camille asks why they would want, would be able to or want to kill them, she admits the question came from Juliet.
01:51:02 --> 01:51:07 [UNKNOWN]: In Victor can't give Camille an answer that will appease her, so he simply shuts off the screen.
01:51:07 --> 01:51:09 [UNKNOWN]: Communication is severed.
01:51:10 --> 01:51:23 [UNKNOWN]: Victor asks someone named Chloe, Chloe Zaytunian, to have Troy a woken for him, and then he says goodbye to his remaining personal objects in a world that has shrunk to the size of his office.
01:51:24 --> 01:51:30 [UNKNOWN]: And tearfully, he unlocks his desk, pulls out a gun, takes his own life with a bullet to the head.
01:51:31 --> 01:51:36 [UNKNOWN]: Troy is rapid sequence to wake again decades after his last shift.
01:51:36 --> 01:51:40 [UNKNOWN]: This time, he's greeted by someone named Phil, Robin Lang.
01:51:41 --> 01:51:43 [UNKNOWN]: He confirms that he remembers his name.
01:51:44 --> 01:51:44 [UNKNOWN]: What do you laugh at that?
01:51:45 --> 01:51:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, I just think that this was that your attack is very, very funny, you know?
01:51:50 --> 01:51:50 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:51:51 --> 01:51:53 [UNKNOWN]: We've got the Patrick of Salo, yeah we do.
01:51:53 --> 01:52:12 [UNKNOWN]: But also it's a slightly personal thing for me because I have a because of my disability because I use wheelchair, I have a carer coming in the mornings to help me get up, get dressed, down the house, get to work, and the guy I have
01:52:15 --> 01:52:16 [UNKNOWN]: is not a morning person.
01:52:16 --> 01:52:23 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I am very relieved by that fact because, no, I don't know, I am morning person.
01:52:23 --> 01:52:32 [UNKNOWN]: So we just sort of, we communicate as little as possible, basically, until I've had my cup of tea, I am essentially useless.
01:52:32 --> 01:52:35 [UNKNOWN]: And so, like, when I've
01:52:38 --> 01:52:52 [UNKNOWN]: There is nothing worse than a chatty career, or a couple of people you're just waking up and telling you about their day and it's like, I know you're just being polite, but I need to wake up, I need to wake up properly.
01:52:52 --> 01:52:56 [UNKNOWN]: So I was feeling Troy's pain in having this person get up like that.
01:52:58 --> 01:53:02 [UNKNOWN]: And so Troy confirms him.
01:53:03 --> 01:53:11 [UNKNOWN]: He remembers his name Troy and his function specialist and Phil informs him it's been 35 years since he was last put under after the silence ever changed shut down
01:53:12 --> 01:53:17 [UNKNOWN]: When Troy asks where Victor is, Phil says nobody tells the greater than anything.
01:53:17 --> 01:53:25 [UNKNOWN]: Troy is handed over to the shift boss Joel, Shane Taylor, who briefs him on the silo 18 situation before sending him to see Victor.
01:53:25 --> 01:53:34 [UNKNOWN]: When Troy gets to Victor's quarters, he finds Henry, Reed Bernie, waiting for him outside the door, having also just been rapid sequenced to deal with the problem.
01:53:35 --> 01:53:40 [UNKNOWN]: He leads Troy into the office where he finds Victor dead, bleeding from the head onto his desk.
01:53:40 --> 01:53:46 [UNKNOWN]: Henry stresses the need for discretion, a founder killing himself would be a big fucking deal.
01:53:47 --> 01:53:53 [UNKNOWN]: Henry wonders since Victor's last order was to wake Troy whether Troy might have any insight into what was troubling Victor.
01:53:54 --> 01:53:57 [UNKNOWN]: So I just want to point out the office size.
01:53:57 --> 01:54:04 [UNKNOWN]: Like Victor has a better quarters than Troy does.
01:54:04 --> 01:54:08 [UNKNOWN]: But not nearly not even like half the size is, it's therming.
01:54:08 --> 01:54:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's definitely hierarchy here.
01:54:11 --> 01:54:22 [UNKNOWN]: And but even like the size of Troy's quarters are like, I would say at least twice the size of the standard apartment we've seen in silos 17 and 18.
01:54:22 --> 01:54:24 [UNKNOWN]: So it's all relative.
01:54:25 --> 01:54:46 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I think I've now shouted out to all the new characters who were in the thing except for one William Hope who is playing a character that will recur next season and I did not, I don't remember who this is so I'm going to pay attention for the male bag episode to okay.
01:54:48 --> 01:54:51 [UNKNOWN]: to, yeah, when I do another rewatch before that, who that is?
01:54:52 --> 01:54:59 [UNKNOWN]: Because it is someone I saw on his LinkedIn, I found him, he's in five episodes next season, so that seems significant.
01:55:02 --> 01:55:11 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, no, there's the drone that's going to be over silo 18 that kind of precludes the walking back from silo some days.
01:55:12 --> 01:55:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it does.
01:55:13 --> 01:55:17 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, not that they would attempt it after Lucas was shot the first time, but still.
01:55:18 --> 01:55:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:19 --> 01:55:25 [UNKNOWN]: I did have to laugh that Victor said to Camille that was a skillful deception.
01:55:25 --> 01:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think it was Victor who told her that it was her lying that got her the job in the first place?
01:55:31 --> 01:55:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I think you well think it probably was.
01:55:33 --> 01:55:37 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know the oldest thing about, you know, monitoring the heart rate and stuff.
01:55:38 --> 01:55:41 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm sure they can do that, but I think
01:55:42 --> 01:55:50 [UNKNOWN]: this episode showed you like the limits of what silo one can and can't do, and I think they were actually bluffing with that a lot of the time.
01:55:52 --> 01:55:56 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, he asks, why would you lie to me?
01:55:56 --> 01:55:56 [UNKNOWN]: I laugh about it.
01:55:56 --> 01:55:59 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I'm like, what the hell are we doing here, man?
01:56:01 --> 01:56:02 [UNKNOWN]: Why would I not be lying to you?
01:56:02 --> 01:56:06 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, because I want us to live.
01:56:09 --> 01:56:14 [UNKNOWN]: And so Victor's explanation is the human species who's in a terminal cycle of self annihilation.
01:56:14 --> 01:56:18 [UNKNOWN]: The silo is the last best hope to ensure the survival of the species.
01:56:19 --> 01:56:23 [UNKNOWN]: So why, so okay, so we got the whole thing in episode eight.
01:56:23 --> 01:56:28 [UNKNOWN]: We're paired as, you know, the thing about this, the nanos, the nanos are gonna get us.
01:56:28 --> 01:56:31 [UNKNOWN]: And if it's not that, it's gonna be a piece of meat in half.
01:56:32 --> 01:56:37 [UNKNOWN]: And then we see a nuclear bomb fall on Atlanta, at least.
01:56:37 --> 01:56:46 [UNKNOWN]: And we, you know, you seem to think that that was self-inflicted because of the convenience of the timing.
01:56:46 --> 01:56:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:56:49 --> 01:56:49 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:56:49 --> 01:56:50 [UNKNOWN]: Why then?
01:56:51 --> 01:56:52 [UNKNOWN]: Why do it?
01:56:52 --> 01:56:54 [UNKNOWN]: Why not just have the silos?
01:56:54 --> 01:56:55 [UNKNOWN]: Why push it down?
01:56:55 --> 01:56:56 [UNKNOWN]: Why push it down?
01:56:56 --> 01:57:06 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think just I think to go back to what I said earlier, I think Pearsonson, because he thinks all the stuff is inevitable.
01:57:06 --> 01:57:10 [UNKNOWN]: He's going to preempt it because if it doesn't happen
01:57:16 --> 01:57:20 [UNKNOWN]: Humanity needs like a hard reset like I said before.
01:57:20 --> 01:57:28 [UNKNOWN]: So I think the the the project of the soil was never about it was never about the human race surviving per se.
01:57:28 --> 01:57:45 [UNKNOWN]: It was about reprogramming the human race to be less from stents and addict at this point if you less self-destructive, less curious, less less like we do you know put it hand on the stove just to see what would happen.
01:57:46 --> 01:57:47 [UNKNOWN]: a more client.
01:57:48 --> 01:57:56 [UNKNOWN]: So that's the reason why it's not the start from Stenson's point of view.
01:57:57 --> 01:57:58 [UNKNOWN]: And fix this point of view.
01:57:58 --> 01:58:05 [UNKNOWN]: The silo would fail if it just preserve humanity as it was at the point of which the bomb fight off.
01:58:14 --> 01:58:17 [UNKNOWN]: in order to be able to survive a long term in their view.
01:58:18 --> 01:58:23 [UNKNOWN]: It needed like to be, it needed to become like human being to point up.
01:58:25 --> 01:58:29 [UNKNOWN]: And that was the, that was the, that to me is the real purpose.
01:58:30 --> 01:58:34 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's what I think, yeah, the purpose of the solid, and the purpose of the pact.
01:58:35 --> 01:58:40 [UNKNOWN]: Because you gotta remember that they weren't just, people weren't just like admitted to the silos,
01:58:44 --> 01:58:54 [UNKNOWN]: You know, the silos weren't just used as life but they were used as a design, as a pre-designed pre-package version of society.
01:58:54 --> 01:59:05 [UNKNOWN]: But when you look at it now, having the events in the first three seasons, is deliberately designed to to breathe out and to put, to put rails on human curiosity.
01:59:15 --> 01:59:28 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I'll just say to that if the packed, if the, the packs idea of human 2.0 is compliance, then the packed, and I have very different ideas about what it means to evolve to a better form of humanity.
01:59:29 --> 01:59:30 [UNKNOWN]: But, uh, this is not news.
01:59:31 --> 01:59:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the, and this is the thing I don't think.
01:59:34 --> 01:59:39 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think Victor ever gave a comma idea from first to last.
01:59:39 --> 01:59:48 [UNKNOWN]: I think what changed in him in the end was that the the the the the means when no longer worth the ends.
01:59:48 --> 01:59:51 [UNKNOWN]: You just you didn't want to kill any more people.
01:59:51 --> 01:59:58 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't I don't think the change is mind on on the nature of the project or the project being a good thing.
01:59:59 --> 01:59:59 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:00:00 --> 02:00:00 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:00:01 --> 02:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so what do you think about Camille's other question?
02:00:04 --> 02:00:08 [UNKNOWN]: How do you ensure the survival by murdering thousands of people at a time?
02:00:09 --> 02:00:18 [UNKNOWN]: People want to be free so you slaughter them a violation, called it, a question in the, founders, prerogatives is a violation that you're going to kill us.
02:00:18 --> 02:00:20 [UNKNOWN]: We didn't care about your frickin' violation.
02:00:21 --> 02:00:34 [UNKNOWN]: Also you're talking about the pack now we're so far beyond the fact this is the thing is well I'd be really interested to catch up with the bit weird buildings after the separate because like Mr.
02:00:34 --> 02:00:47 [UNKNOWN]: I can recite the pack like shit like he's been sort of coming to this realization slowly over all three seasons of the pack the pack is a pile of orchid but like it is in contraverted mode now
02:00:47 --> 02:00:50 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's no re-riding the pack.
02:00:50 --> 02:00:53 [UNKNOWN]: There's no, there's no restructuring the pack.
02:00:53 --> 02:00:56 [UNKNOWN]: You've just got to dunk the whole thing a lot, stuck in barrel.
02:00:57 --> 02:01:06 [UNKNOWN]: And Billings is like Bill is entire, but I had that in that sort of fair, but Billings is built a large part of his personality around being this guy.
02:01:06 --> 02:01:07 [UNKNOWN]: I follow the rules.
02:01:08 --> 02:01:14 [UNKNOWN]: And the rules have been shown to be not just wrong with genocide, though.
02:01:15 --> 02:01:16 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely something he can't get by.
02:01:16 --> 02:01:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:16 --> 02:01:28 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, when I just think about the disconnect between, because I do think one reason I think Victor is such an interesting character, is I do think that he's not like evil, you know?
02:01:30 --> 02:01:50 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I know, I think as you say, though he believes in the project, but then I go back to this whole thing where he develops this memory wiping system to wipe his own memories so that he could forget the most traumatic thing that happened to him and presumably lost other things in the process.
02:01:50 --> 02:01:53 [UNKNOWN]: And so he describes it himself as, um,
02:01:54 --> 02:02:07 [UNKNOWN]: basically he knows it happened but he doesn't feel the emotional impact of it and you have to wonder what sort of extra effect does that have in his judgment of humanity, in his empathy overall.
02:02:07 --> 02:02:13 [UNKNOWN]: And he says he doesn't feel the effect of it and yet what are the last two things he looked at?
02:02:14 --> 02:02:15 [UNKNOWN]: Sure, of course.
02:02:16 --> 02:02:17 [UNKNOWN]: I guess he still remembers he had a wife.
02:02:17 --> 02:02:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the last two things he looked at are different photographs of his wife and his daughter.
02:02:25 --> 02:02:26 [UNKNOWN]: Did you notice at the end?
02:02:26 --> 02:02:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know, he was obviously very distraught, but it looks like Victor's hand quaked in a syndrome-like way for a moment.
02:02:34 --> 02:02:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just took that down as him being emotional, but maybe.
02:02:39 --> 02:02:46 [UNKNOWN]: I'm still waiting for, they wouldn't have included this syndrome if they didn't mean it to tie back, so I'm sure we will get an explanation next season.
02:02:46 --> 02:02:47 [UNKNOWN]: About that?
02:02:47 --> 02:02:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the gunny uses the shoe himself, looks to me like a 38 special, it's with the western special, which I don't know whether they're the me.
02:02:56 --> 02:03:06 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know whether this means anything, but it was like the standard side arm, the cops carried up until the 90s, I think, in the US.
02:03:09 --> 02:03:15 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, like I said, I have no idea whether that means anything, but it did look like in 38 to me.
02:03:15 --> 02:03:27 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe somebody can write in in the for the wrap up, but yeah, I like I don't know whether it means anything, but they did linger on the gun long enough for you to see what it was.
02:03:28 --> 02:03:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I also noticed they lingered on him.
02:03:31 --> 02:03:37 [UNKNOWN]: He picks up his glasses and I realize, oh, those are the glasses he used to wear, but he's no longer wearing glasses.
02:03:37 --> 02:03:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:03:37 --> 02:03:39 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think that's about?
02:03:39 --> 02:03:47 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe, I mean, if they can do, if they can do cryogenic, like you surely do laser-corrective eye surgery.
02:03:48 --> 02:03:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's all I want.
02:03:49 --> 02:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe it's just an aesthetic thing.
02:03:52 --> 02:03:54 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it is interesting.
02:03:55 --> 02:03:56 [UNKNOWN]: It is interesting.
02:03:56 --> 02:04:21 [UNKNOWN]: do you at why do you how do you think they stay alive in cryogenics like how do you think it's seriously I would I would really love some feedback on this because I don't know I don't know beans about cryogenics so okay I would really like somebody dig it if we've got any scientists the list of the podcast I would really like a deep dive into cryogenics now no book spoiler no book book spoiler yeah
02:04:23 --> 02:04:27 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I know he also, I know he, they fan playing a lot of attention to watches.
02:04:27 --> 02:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: He takes off his watch in place as it, um, like, it's just for Troy to find or something.
02:04:32 --> 02:04:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like, people have been obsessing over weather, Daniel's watch becomes Julia's watch.
02:04:36 --> 02:04:38 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think so because I think they're different colors.
02:04:39 --> 02:04:43 [UNKNOWN]: I think the bezels are different color, but then I was wondering, oh, it's this digital soul watch.
02:04:44 --> 02:04:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:04:45 --> 02:04:45 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:04:45 --> 02:04:49 [UNKNOWN]: So people take a good look and all the watch experts that are popping up on Reddit.
02:04:49 --> 02:04:51 [UNKNOWN]: Take a good look and let us know if you think.
02:04:52 --> 02:04:54 [UNKNOWN]: Um, the books are too blurred to see.
02:04:54 --> 02:04:59 [UNKNOWN]: I really, I'm gonna see if there's a better view of those, because I'm very curious what books are on a shelf.
02:04:59 --> 02:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: I only saw healing with vitamins, because it had a giant astideal, and then Luke, the book he's in the middle of reading, Moby Nigg!
02:05:09 --> 02:05:10 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't finish it.
02:05:10 --> 02:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: He's in the middle.
02:05:11 --> 02:05:13 [UNKNOWN]: I've got to say I've got to say I'm Rp.
02:05:13 --> 02:05:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm right there with you, Victor.
02:05:16 --> 02:05:20 [UNKNOWN]: I'm right in the middle of it and it's Prooping somewhat of a slog.
02:05:20 --> 02:05:21 [UNKNOWN]: Do the others.
02:05:22 --> 02:05:26 [UNKNOWN]: It's like the individual chapters are really well ripped.
02:05:27 --> 02:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: But talk about most talk about slow moving.
02:05:29 --> 02:05:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, please, Herman.
02:05:31 --> 02:05:32 [UNKNOWN]: Can we move a lot?
02:05:34 --> 02:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: You've been describing this boat down for the best of hours of 20 minutes.
02:05:38 --> 02:05:41 [UNKNOWN]: Can we move along the trees?
02:05:43 --> 02:05:59 [UNKNOWN]: What's also like just he picks it up and this is the one moment he kind of smiles in this sequence is he's like never going to finish that Do you think there's anything about the story since you're in the same part related to what's happening in the show?
02:06:00 --> 02:06:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, but like I said, I am about the halfway point so it could be something of the second half book that is related.
02:06:08 --> 02:06:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I also noticed there was a shelf full of cameras from his before life, so I'm like, Palmer confirmed.
02:06:15 --> 02:06:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was kidding.
02:06:16 --> 02:06:17 [UNKNOWN]: Just kidding.
02:06:18 --> 02:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: Why not?
02:06:19 --> 02:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: No, no.
02:06:20 --> 02:06:27 [UNKNOWN]: I am prepared to believe that because anything that means more likely to have it is a life so far.
02:06:28 --> 02:06:32 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, photo with his daughter, another with his wife, as she said, that's the last thing.
02:06:32 --> 02:06:33 [UNKNOWN]: He looks upset.
02:06:34 --> 02:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: On his scream,
02:06:36 --> 02:06:40 [UNKNOWN]: So this is, all right, we're going to get into, I did this, this screen was very clear to read.
02:06:40 --> 02:06:50 [UNKNOWN]: So this one I could read, it's physiological monitoring of it seems to be of Troy because it matches it's 36.06.03 so that seems to be Troy's
02:06:53 --> 02:06:55 [UNKNOWN]: Bay number, you know, his his cryo pod number.
02:06:56 --> 02:07:03 [UNKNOWN]: And so this is that's to whom he sends a message, but on the screen behind the message he sends, which of course will find out as a video.
02:07:04 --> 02:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we see, oh, by the way, it says legacy system file share, which reminds me of the book version of the legacy is basically data on hard drives slash like some printouts in the various vaults around the silos.
02:07:18 --> 02:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:07:18 --> 02:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway,
02:07:20 --> 02:07:29 [UNKNOWN]: But on the screen behind it, we see this, it seems to be monitoring, I'm assuming Troy and the cryo is not being kind to him.
02:07:29 --> 02:07:44 [UNKNOWN]: Or it could be Victor himself who knows, it says, heart, aridmias, resolved after electrolyte balancing, musculoskeletal, 30% muscle atrophy, which is severe, bone mineral density
02:07:48 --> 02:07:52 [UNKNOWN]: He was treated with physio and calcium supplements, that's how that's treated.
02:07:53 --> 02:08:00 [UNKNOWN]: It causes cognitive and nervous system problems, like post-reanimation confusion that lasts about 12 hours.
02:08:02 --> 02:08:06 [UNKNOWN]: Motor coordination impairment, up to 48 dopamine and serotonin dysregulation.
02:08:06 --> 02:08:11 [UNKNOWN]: So those are the chemicals that make you happy or content or not feel bad.
02:08:12 --> 02:08:16 [UNKNOWN]: And cognitive processing slowed by 30% and proves over 10 days.
02:08:18 --> 02:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: One of pods here because, oh, and we also see, or cortisol elevated 30% of the stress hormone due to sensory deprivation.
02:08:26 --> 02:08:33 [UNKNOWN]: So this is the frame of mind that Troy is in when he's taking outside of 17.
02:08:33 --> 02:08:35 [UNKNOWN]: He's confused.
02:08:36 --> 02:08:38 [UNKNOWN]: He's got motor coordination impairment.
02:08:38 --> 02:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: He's got
02:08:40 --> 02:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: lows in his dopamine and serotonin so all he's got the end cortisol up so he's got the bad feelings not the good feelings and his cognitive processing is slowed by 30% so he's still thinking quickly on his feet i'm gonna say for somebody who's cognitive processing has been slowed 30% he's pretty sharp
02:08:59 --> 02:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but he's not himself.
02:09:01 --> 02:09:03 [UNKNOWN]: He's not remembering things.
02:09:03 --> 02:09:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:09:03 --> 02:09:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:09:04 --> 02:09:08 [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, it's not like he's been in cryo for a little while.
02:09:08 --> 02:09:12 [UNKNOWN]: We've been in cryo for the better part with some breaks of like 350 years.
02:09:12 --> 02:09:23 [UNKNOWN]: And there must have been a point at which out where she was out of cryo for longer than if they get the infizio because we obviously, there was stuff going on off screen.
02:09:23 --> 02:09:27 [UNKNOWN]: But like if there if he's only awake for a couple of hours at a time,
02:09:27 --> 02:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: I can't see how that would be useful.
02:09:30 --> 02:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that I think this is why we have to begin the next season with the Troy Montage Montage.
02:09:36 --> 02:09:38 [UNKNOWN]: What's been going on with Troy?
02:09:39 --> 02:09:44 [UNKNOWN]: I know, so like those thermal flush things, I mean, yikes, I hope.
02:09:45 --> 02:09:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that doesn't look fun, none of it looks fun.
02:09:47 --> 02:09:53 [UNKNOWN]: And they did also again, the makeup, excellent job, making him look like he legit just got out of crime.
02:09:53 --> 02:09:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah.
02:09:54 --> 02:10:11 [UNKNOWN]: Like actually blue, but subtly, but really, not like, you know, like thron or whatever, and so also just moving on other observations about how Troy is impaired when he wakes up for the short shifts.
02:10:12 --> 02:10:14 [UNKNOWN]: he has a suppressed thyroid.
02:10:15 --> 02:10:25 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if there's any doctors out there who watch a show and listen let us know if any of this has anything to you but there's something about point two MU per leader.
02:10:26 --> 02:10:36 [UNKNOWN]: So whatever that means it says two week recovery for that increased insulin resistance which requires dietary adjustments so that obviously some of the
02:10:39 --> 02:10:45 [UNKNOWN]: And rehydration is critical to restoring plasma, osmo, molarity, and electrolyte, homeostasis.
02:10:45 --> 02:10:49 [UNKNOWN]: So that's probably something to do with the thermal flash too.
02:10:49 --> 02:10:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:10:51 --> 02:11:06 [UNKNOWN]: And the immune system also reduced white blood cell count to 30 to 100 slash UL, increasing susceptibility to infection, and backs boosters and immune stimulating protocol are administered to deal with that.
02:11:08 --> 02:11:13 [UNKNOWN]: So this is the state of Troy, Dr.'s way in, Luke, do you have thoughts?
02:11:14 --> 02:11:18 [UNKNOWN]: No, except I feel even worse for Troy now than I did before.
02:11:19 --> 02:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: I felt really bad for the guy to start with.
02:11:22 --> 02:11:24 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, not super fun.
02:11:24 --> 02:11:30 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder like what Susan, quote unquote, what, how is she just doing normal shifts?
02:11:30 --> 02:11:33 [UNKNOWN]: I'll just say in the book, normally a shift last six months.
02:11:33 --> 02:11:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:11:35 --> 02:11:39 [UNKNOWN]: And we hear that the other shift that will get two and a minute has been up for five.
02:11:39 --> 02:11:43 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if it's the same in the show, but yeah, usually they're up for a while.
02:11:44 --> 02:11:46 [UNKNOWN]: So as soon as I've been doing normal shifts.
02:11:46 --> 02:11:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
02:12:02 --> 02:12:06 [UNKNOWN]: There's interesting, so Phil, our new, it's Silent One Patrick.
02:12:06 --> 02:12:07 [UNKNOWN]: What color?
02:12:09 --> 02:12:11 [UNKNOWN]: They focus on his watch too.
02:12:11 --> 02:12:15 [UNKNOWN]: It's just interesting that they've been zooming in and watch as a lot, but his looks digital and modern.
02:12:16 --> 02:12:22 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder if he's in a way going to stand in for some plot points related to a book character named Dr. Sneed.
02:12:23 --> 02:12:24 [UNKNOWN]: OK.
02:12:25 --> 02:12:29 [UNKNOWN]: So one who does a lot of this cryos putting in an out-to-cryo thing.
02:12:30 --> 02:12:34 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, he said he just doesn't stop.
02:12:34 --> 02:12:35 [UNKNOWN]: He's the champions.
02:12:37 --> 02:12:40 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, when you're upstairs, maybe mention to somebody, we're not just crying monkeys.
02:12:41 --> 02:12:43 [UNKNOWN]: We manage the defrosts.
02:12:43 --> 02:12:44 [UNKNOWN]: We handle medical emergencies.
02:12:44 --> 02:12:48 [UNKNOWN]: So I feel like they're setting up that information for us to know the greeters.
02:12:48 --> 02:12:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:12:49 --> 02:12:50 [UNKNOWN]: Have this role.
02:12:51 --> 02:12:53 [UNKNOWN]: And Phil's shift, J7 is the best.
02:12:54 --> 02:13:06 [UNKNOWN]: And Chief Boss can be a bit of a dick, but he's just trying to keep us on point and that's when we meet Joel, clearly going to be someone who comes back next season and like, and he says they have parties, they're allowed to have parties.
02:13:06 --> 02:13:09 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you don't have something to keep up morale, I guess.
02:13:09 --> 02:13:12 [UNKNOWN]: But when do you think is the last time Troy was able to go to a party?
02:13:12 --> 02:13:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is the thing, like as far as we know, Troy hasn't been awake for more than a couple of hours and 300 of years.
02:13:21 --> 02:13:22 [UNKNOWN]: I am maybe longer.
02:13:22 --> 02:13:26 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe maybe maybe he just gets him back every time he asks about Helen.
02:13:26 --> 02:13:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:13:27 --> 02:13:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:13:28 --> 02:13:30 [UNKNOWN]: Or tries to like condemn his sister to death.
02:13:30 --> 02:13:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:13:31 --> 02:13:31 [UNKNOWN]: Oops.
02:13:31 --> 02:13:32 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah.
02:13:33 --> 02:13:34 [UNKNOWN]: Oops.
02:13:34 --> 02:13:34 [UNKNOWN]: Oops.
02:13:35 --> 02:13:39 [UNKNOWN]: But it's funny because we also find that if I know the choice kind of a celebrity now.
02:13:39 --> 02:13:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, you're the one who did the show of 17's.
02:13:42 --> 02:13:42 [UNKNOWN]: Shut up.
02:13:43 --> 02:13:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's the guy.
02:13:44 --> 02:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: He's the guy that invented the external, the external.
02:13:53 --> 02:13:56 [UNKNOWN]: So Joel gives Troy the silo-18 briefing.
02:13:56 --> 02:13:59 [UNKNOWN]: J7's been on shift for the last five months.
02:13:59 --> 02:14:17 [UNKNOWN]: Three months ago, silo-18 destabilized after Juliet walked over to silo-17 and back, and then he, you know, catches him up to the current capped pipe situation, and yeah, they're making preparations in case the external safeguard is indicated.
02:14:18 --> 02:14:20 [UNKNOWN]: Troy doesn't look like he is
02:14:21 --> 02:14:24 [UNKNOWN]: proud of this being his legacy.
02:14:24 --> 02:14:24 [UNKNOWN]: No.
02:14:26 --> 02:14:42 [UNKNOWN]: I know say like his legacy, he was remembered in between shifts, but for things like, oh, setting, well, not necessarily, he was remembered, but that things he standardized remain standard, like setting a minimum wage for the shadow to the head of IT because the younger ones can't handle it.
02:14:44 --> 02:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:14:44 --> 02:14:45 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway.
02:14:46 --> 02:14:47 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he rightfully points out.
02:14:48 --> 02:14:49 [UNKNOWN]: He's already got Julia's number.
02:14:49 --> 02:14:55 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, obviously, this is a smart person who's not going to see the pile of bodies outside 17.
02:14:55 --> 02:14:56 [UNKNOWN]: And isn't going to make that mistake.
02:14:58 --> 02:14:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:14:59 --> 02:15:01 [UNKNOWN]: But my question is about 17.
02:15:02 --> 02:15:11 [UNKNOWN]: We didn't see anyone tell Troy about the fact that Patrick and Lucas went over there and that there were still kids there.
02:15:12 --> 02:15:18 [UNKNOWN]: Do was Victor the only one who knew, like, did he clear the room and do that alone or are there other people out there?
02:15:18 --> 02:15:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think that I know, I think Victor was supposed to clear the room because like I say, I can't imagine that any of the other texts would have been comfortable with that.
02:15:28 --> 02:15:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's so far outside the brum as a pack, it's just...
02:15:32 --> 02:15:36 [UNKNOWN]: But he must have had a drone pilot at least who went and saw that the bodies were gone.
02:15:36 --> 02:15:39 [UNKNOWN]: Who shot them and then went and saw that the bodies were gone.
02:15:39 --> 02:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: Susan, maybe?
02:15:41 --> 02:15:42 [UNKNOWN]: yeah, maybe.
02:15:42 --> 02:15:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:15:44 --> 02:15:51 [UNKNOWN]: It was after Troy was asleep, so maybe actually like Susan's less scary this way.
02:15:51 --> 02:15:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:15:52 --> 02:15:53 [UNKNOWN]: We can wake her up again.
02:15:55 --> 02:15:59 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so we find out Henry's role in the silo is internal security.
02:15:59 --> 02:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: Is that mean he's he like the emerson of the silo or the Sims?
02:16:03 --> 02:16:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I died took his species basically.
02:16:05 --> 02:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's basically the the the the the the
02:16:11 --> 02:16:16 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, will you surprise to hear Victor called a founder?
02:16:17 --> 02:16:19 [UNKNOWN]: No, because that's literally what he is.
02:16:20 --> 02:16:21 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he edited the text.
02:16:22 --> 02:16:24 [UNKNOWN]: Who do you think the other founder is about?
02:16:24 --> 02:16:30 [UNKNOWN]: Well, Thurman, Stenson, Henry, maybe.
02:16:30 --> 02:16:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe, I wonder.
02:16:33 --> 02:16:35 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, no, I think that's it.
02:16:35 --> 02:16:36 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:16:37 --> 02:16:45 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, what did you think about the fact that Victor seemed to want to be awake while Daniel was on shift?
02:16:45 --> 02:16:47 [UNKNOWN]: He wanted to work the same shift that he was on.
02:16:47 --> 02:16:52 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that makes complete sense to me because Troy is his masterpiece in his sense.
02:16:53 --> 02:16:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, no, he is.
02:16:54 --> 02:16:59 [UNKNOWN]: He's able to use the memory drug to like create an entire new person.
02:17:00 --> 02:17:13 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, like Troy is the apathy of what this invention can do and it's probably like pushing the limits of what the memory drug can achieve.
02:17:14 --> 02:17:16 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that didn't surprise me at all.
02:17:18 --> 02:17:34 [UNKNOWN]: So when Troy's talking to Henry here in Victor's office with his dead body there, he gives like this inscrutable look to Henry and I couldn't, he's talking about how I had the feeling that I knew him from before, but obviously I couldn't ask him about that.
02:17:34 --> 02:17:38 [UNKNOWN]: And he gives us look at Henry like, does Troy also have that feeling with Henry?
02:17:39 --> 02:17:43 [UNKNOWN]: Henry, do we think Henry knows everything?
02:17:44 --> 02:17:44 [UNKNOWN]: like Henry.
02:17:44 --> 02:17:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I did this is a thing, you know, the head of internal security to start like one in order to do your job, but you are going to need to know what the real score is.
02:17:54 --> 02:17:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:17:55 --> 02:17:56 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess he always knew everything, right?
02:17:56 --> 02:17:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:17:58 --> 02:17:59 [UNKNOWN]: So why would that stop now?
02:17:59 --> 02:18:01 [UNKNOWN]: He's using his, his own name.
02:18:01 --> 02:18:02 [UNKNOWN]: I'm deciding that must be a thing.
02:18:02 --> 02:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: Like if you're using your own outside the silo name, you know things.
02:18:06 --> 02:18:07 [UNKNOWN]: If you're using a fake name.
02:18:07 --> 02:18:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:18:08 --> 02:18:08 [UNKNOWN]: You.
02:18:09 --> 02:18:09 [UNKNOWN]: My memory build.
02:18:11 --> 02:18:14 [UNKNOWN]: Do you, what do you think Troy senses about Henry?
02:18:14 --> 02:18:15 [UNKNOWN]: Anything?
02:18:17 --> 02:18:19 [UNKNOWN]: Like Henry kind of makes an odd face.
02:18:19 --> 02:18:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Troy seems to clock it.
02:18:21 --> 02:18:22 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like I don't know.
02:18:22 --> 02:18:24 [UNKNOWN]: I do like the, uh, the line.
02:18:24 --> 02:18:27 [UNKNOWN]: I like him, but I didn't, I never really knew him.
02:18:27 --> 02:18:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I think he's been talking about things, but I also think he's talking to Henry if you see what I mean as well.
02:18:33 --> 02:18:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:18:35 --> 02:18:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe he's a good man.
02:18:36 --> 02:18:37 [UNKNOWN]: I like him.
02:18:37 --> 02:18:39 [UNKNOWN]: I just don't know if I really do him.
02:18:39 --> 02:18:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:18:40 --> 02:18:40 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:18:41 --> 02:18:47 [UNKNOWN]: Regrouping and reconnecting knocks and Shirley finds Juliet and Robert in the cafeteria to tell them the good news.
02:18:47 --> 02:18:52 [UNKNOWN]: Carly McLean Claire Perkins and Martha Walker Harriet Walter with them.
02:18:53 --> 02:19:01 [UNKNOWN]: They tell Julie at the Raiders had been ordered to switch sides and help them and Camille arrives to confirm this is true, and the order came from her.
02:19:01 --> 02:19:07 [UNKNOWN]: Camille sends all the Raiders home and hugs her son, and Martha confirms the water supply is also safe.
02:19:08 --> 02:19:09 [UNKNOWN]: Later, Julie sits alone.
02:19:10 --> 02:19:15 [UNKNOWN]: She reaches out to Silas 17 by radio and Lucas Kyle of a Nash Answers.
02:19:15 --> 02:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: He's excited that Julie at the rest of Silas 17 are still alive, that blocking the safeguard worked.
02:19:21 --> 02:19:28 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet promises that she will find a way to bring everyone in silo 17 back to 18, but they both know it will take time.
02:19:29 --> 02:19:33 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas shoots his shots and tells Jules that he's Mr. personally.
02:19:34 --> 02:19:47 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet has a quiet emotional response on her end of the radio before responding that she can't wait for him to bore her with the things she's learned as he playfully threatened, but she has something else to do first.
02:19:47 --> 02:19:49 [UNKNOWN]: She wants to go to the door, Lucas found in the
02:19:51 --> 02:19:54 [UNKNOWN]: So, first of all, radio conversation.
02:19:57 --> 02:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: You were like properly squaring with that way.
02:20:01 --> 02:20:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I'm very excited for the shoutout to Abby and Becky and others who were waiting for that and shout out to that loud car What did you make of all this and Julia's reaction to this?
02:20:15 --> 02:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I mean if Lucas gets back to silo 18, I can imagine not being a highly emotional reunion
02:20:26 --> 02:20:31 [UNKNOWN]: although I'm not liking the Georgia ratio of it all, you know, he's not been dead.
02:20:31 --> 02:20:33 [UNKNOWN]: He's not been dead that long.
02:20:34 --> 02:20:34 [UNKNOWN]: Really?
02:20:34 --> 02:20:36 [UNKNOWN]: It's been seasons.
02:20:37 --> 02:20:43 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, it's like, yeah, it was nice.
02:20:43 --> 02:20:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I think she's a more reluctant than Lucas.
02:20:46 --> 02:20:47 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas was shooting.
02:20:47 --> 02:20:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Lucas is kind of like.
02:20:49 --> 02:20:52 [UNKNOWN]: But then that's the thing, that's who Lucas is.
02:20:52 --> 02:20:53 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas doesn't.
02:20:53 --> 02:20:53 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't.
02:20:55 --> 02:21:01 [UNKNOWN]: You know, he says, he's stuck up virtually because he's been in the season, I guess.
02:21:01 --> 02:21:03 [UNKNOWN]: His reserves of folks have been the
02:21:06 --> 02:21:08 [UNKNOWN]: He's been down the morning, he's experienced.
02:21:08 --> 02:21:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's just going, he's just going to ask, sorry.
02:21:12 --> 02:21:18 [UNKNOWN]: Guess what's worse, him going down the mines or that moment when she didn't respond.
02:21:18 --> 02:21:20 [UNKNOWN]: When he said, I miss you and she said nothing.
02:21:20 --> 02:21:23 [UNKNOWN]: And then he was like, and I found out so much more about the universe.
02:21:23 --> 02:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: I would love to bore you with it.
02:21:28 --> 02:21:30 [UNKNOWN]: You know what, Julia does miss it.
02:21:30 --> 02:21:32 [UNKNOWN]: She just didn't know how to react in that moment.
02:21:35 --> 02:21:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I guess we've seen, um, obviously she kind of was terrorizing him in the first season, you know, and he was kind of being more of a coward.
02:21:46 --> 02:21:51 [UNKNOWN]: And now it seems as you said, he's he's, uh, he's given away all of his fucks.
02:21:51 --> 02:21:54 [UNKNOWN]: They he's he's like, your mom hold onto my thoughts and come out.
02:21:56 --> 02:22:00 [UNKNOWN]: And he's been really at the forefront of like, no, I'll fix the problem.
02:22:00 --> 02:22:02 [UNKNOWN]: I'll do the thing, you know, trust me.
02:22:02 --> 02:22:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:22:04 --> 02:22:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, what did you think about the credit paid to Bernard for giving his life so that they could pull all this out?
02:22:14 --> 02:22:20 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's absolutely, it's absolutely credit where credit is due, um, Bernard's plan worked.
02:22:22 --> 02:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and you know, I don't think we can have a like overlook all the really heinous shifts
02:22:34 --> 02:22:35 [UNKNOWN]: in the first two seasons.
02:22:36 --> 02:22:41 [UNKNOWN]: But I have to say, as redemption arcs go, they are on pretty good ones.
02:22:43 --> 02:22:50 [UNKNOWN]: And I, I, I, it's gonna be a shame not to see Tim Robbins in season four because, let's face it, but not his dead.
02:22:50 --> 02:22:52 [UNKNOWN]: We've seen the body, he is dead.
02:22:53 --> 02:23:00 [UNKNOWN]: Like, if they start mungking around with that, like, that's just a step too far, he's dead, he's gone.
02:23:02 --> 02:23:05 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, it's going to be a real shame not to have some robins.
02:23:07 --> 02:23:10 [UNKNOWN]: Although, I guess they might be flashbacks, but yeah.
02:23:11 --> 02:23:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe maybe.
02:23:12 --> 02:23:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:23:14 --> 02:23:21 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I, I had to think when Knox joke that it was freedoms freedom day, I was like, surely, by the way, you have a title answer.
02:23:22 --> 02:23:24 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, so yeah, that's just like,
02:23:25 --> 02:23:37 [UNKNOWN]: That was a really cool line because it does like pay off that conversation he had with Shirley and it's, I don't know, I can't really put my finger on why but it's a very knocks way of looking at the world.
02:23:39 --> 02:23:39 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:23:39 --> 02:23:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:23:40 --> 02:23:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:23:40 --> 02:23:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's a new freedom day, yeah.
02:23:43 --> 02:23:46 [UNKNOWN]: A moment of hope, even though I'm in the background, I'm like, they've not done with you yet.
02:23:46 --> 02:23:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, yeah, let's talk about the silo vendors meeting the voice in the door.
02:23:53 --> 02:23:58 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet, not Shirley, Camille, and Deputy Hank Murphy, Billy Possible, though.
02:23:58 --> 02:24:04 [UNKNOWN]: Load themselves onto the elevator run by Ed Harwood, Ned Denahe, and travel as deep as they can go.
02:24:05 --> 02:24:11 [UNKNOWN]: The Silo Vendor's crew climbs down to the bottom of the digger void and locates the door based on Lucas's instructions.
02:24:12 --> 02:24:26 [UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, in Silo 1, Troy returns to the operations room and asks Joel to play the final conversation between Victor and Camille for him, and to tell whoever's on shift and engineering to stand by to implement a backup safeguard.
02:24:27 --> 02:24:33 [UNKNOWN]: Just then, they are notified that people are approaching the forward vault in silo 18.
02:24:34 --> 02:24:43 [UNKNOWN]: In silo 18, a spotlight snaps on in front of the door and the voice, this time Troy, addresses Juliet by name, telling her not to attempt any further investigation.
02:24:44 --> 02:24:53 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet argues that they're going to try to keep killing them no matter what, so they have nothing to lose by continuing to try to block them to find answers.
02:24:53 --> 02:25:02 [UNKNOWN]: That gives Troy pause before he replies that there will be no safeguard as long as they do not attempt to contact any of the other silos.
02:25:03 --> 02:25:03 [UNKNOWN]: A compromise.
02:25:04 --> 02:25:10 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet accepts on her on their behalf and the silo vendors make to leave the digger void,
02:25:13 --> 02:25:18 [UNKNOWN]: I'm glad they addressed the water in the Juliette afraid of water situation.
02:25:18 --> 02:25:20 [UNKNOWN]: I thought you really didn't like water.
02:25:20 --> 02:25:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't ever since 17, when she had to do that dive, I hate it.
02:25:25 --> 02:25:28 [UNKNOWN]: And so they acknowledged it.
02:25:28 --> 02:25:36 [UNKNOWN]: But she had her pit of snakes, Indiana Jones reference, and she threw herself into it anyway, because that's who Juliette is.
02:25:37 --> 02:25:40 [UNKNOWN]: And in calm, I'm not even going to talk about it way, even if I don't like this.
02:25:42 --> 02:25:50 [UNKNOWN]: yeah this is the thing yeah i'm just gonna i'm just gonna deal with it i'm just gonna i don't like it but i'm i'm here to deal with it
02:25:53 --> 02:25:54 [UNKNOWN]: And also, I thought it was funny.
02:25:55 --> 02:25:57 [UNKNOWN]: Julia's like, how do we activate this thing?
02:25:57 --> 02:26:01 [UNKNOWN]: Like, Lucas said he touched the door, so she just like touches the door as if that mad.
02:26:01 --> 02:26:05 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we know it's, they see them on the camera and the voice will come snap on.
02:26:05 --> 02:26:08 [UNKNOWN]: But as far as they know, it's a touch-activated door.
02:26:09 --> 02:26:10 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
02:26:12 --> 02:26:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Julia, it asking the good questions again.
02:26:14 --> 02:26:16 [UNKNOWN]: What are you afraid will find?
02:26:17 --> 02:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: What now that you know more?
02:26:18 --> 02:26:20 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think they are afraid they'll find?
02:26:21 --> 02:26:29 [UNKNOWN]: Behind that vault, I think they're going to find people, like I genuinely do think there's going to be some there's going to be people in go.
02:26:30 --> 02:26:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um, back there.
02:26:32 --> 02:26:34 [UNKNOWN]: And this is, but why?
02:26:34 --> 02:26:36 [UNKNOWN]: This is not just because I want Helen to be a lot.
02:26:36 --> 02:26:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking when we get to the end of the project, when people are left out of the silos.
02:26:42 --> 02:26:47 [UNKNOWN]: there might need to be some link to the world.
02:26:48 --> 02:26:50 [UNKNOWN]: I know I'm kind of undermining the point now earlier on.
02:26:51 --> 02:26:52 [UNKNOWN]: Some link to the world before.
02:26:52 --> 02:27:00 [UNKNOWN]: There might need to be people with skills that weren't needed in the solar, like being a journalist, for example.
02:27:00 --> 02:27:05 [UNKNOWN]: There's something about
02:27:11 --> 02:27:12 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't really thought this through.
02:27:12 --> 02:27:14 [UNKNOWN]: I just want Helen to be alive.
02:27:15 --> 02:27:17 [UNKNOWN]: It's not about wedding Helen to be alive.
02:27:17 --> 02:27:18 [UNKNOWN]: I just want Helen to be alive.
02:27:18 --> 02:27:19 [UNKNOWN]: I just want Helen to be alive.
02:27:19 --> 02:27:20 [UNKNOWN]: I just want Helen to be alive.
02:27:23 --> 02:27:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, so they say that the number one directive is not to contact other silos and this is what he brings up here.
02:27:30 --> 02:27:33 [UNKNOWN]: He says as long as you make no attempt to contact another silo.
02:27:33 --> 02:27:43 [UNKNOWN]: So that seems that not mixing of silo seems very important to them, but they're like, this is another reason why I'm like, what does Troy know about the current status of silo 17?
02:27:43 --> 02:27:50 [UNKNOWN]: Because obviously they're doing their secret radio conversations, but how quickly before Troy figures that one out?
02:27:51 --> 02:27:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:27:53 --> 02:28:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, maybe quite a while if he's cognitively impaired, but yeah, I'm like also how well as Victor covered his tracks, because I do think he would have to send to the text out of the room.
02:28:11 --> 02:28:30 [UNKNOWN]: uh... so yeah so it could it it could actually take a while um... black hat but the other question is how long before silo one he listens into the conversations that look as a new year exactly so probably not probably not long to be honest
02:28:31 --> 02:28:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, that's a question.
02:28:33 --> 02:28:41 [UNKNOWN]: Are they on the silo 17 band, in which case they would be like, hey, why is the radio communication on this dead band?
02:28:42 --> 02:28:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:28:43 --> 02:28:45 [UNKNOWN]: Or male.
02:28:45 --> 02:28:53 [UNKNOWN]: And then the last image we see in this section is Troy studying Julia's face on the big screen and like I got to wonder what he's thinking.
02:28:53 --> 02:28:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that there's a really enigmatic look on Troy's face.
02:28:58 --> 02:29:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so the brings us to the final section final truths away from the door before leaving the digger void, Juliet knocks Shirley Hank and Camille huddle up.
02:29:08 --> 02:29:13 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet agrees with the others that of course, Tyler won't stop whatever compromise they've promised.
02:29:14 --> 02:29:22 [UNKNOWN]: They brainstorm the ways in which Tyler one might come at them next, attacking from above, drilling through the outer walls, pipe the poison right through that door,
02:29:23 --> 02:29:29 [UNKNOWN]: Juliette says that Salah 1 is expecting them to prepare to defend themselves, so they should do the opposite.
02:29:29 --> 02:29:35 [UNKNOWN]: They should go in the offense, catch them off guard, save all the silos by taking out Salah 1.
02:29:36 --> 02:29:46 [UNKNOWN]: Back in his quarters in Salah 1 Troy is studying a Salah schematic strategizing when an alert pops up with an encrypted message the one that Victor sent before he died.
02:29:47 --> 02:29:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's a video.
02:29:48 --> 02:29:53 [UNKNOWN]: Victor tells Troy that he doesn't need to know all the reasons why Victor took himself off shift.
02:29:54 --> 02:29:58 [UNKNOWN]: But when the silo-18 safeguard failed, he realized he felt relieved.
02:29:58 --> 02:30:03 [UNKNOWN]: He tells Troy that he will fulfill the promise he made to him on his last shift.
02:30:04 --> 02:30:07 [UNKNOWN]: And he tells him the identity of the woman from Troy's memories.
02:30:07 --> 02:30:08 [UNKNOWN]: Her name is Helen Drew.
02:30:09 --> 02:30:11 [UNKNOWN]: Troy cries as he repeats the
02:30:18 --> 02:30:23 [UNKNOWN]: That's a name is Helen Drew, is not walls, is.
02:30:26 --> 02:30:26 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:30:27 --> 02:30:27 [UNKNOWN]: That would drive.
02:30:28 --> 02:30:29 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:30:29 --> 02:30:29 [UNKNOWN]: Do.
02:30:32 --> 02:30:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, okay, so here's a question, what was, I guess Troy was still planning to pipe the safeguard in through the vault or whatever, something like that has, now that he's remembered Helen does that change anything?
02:30:50 --> 02:30:52 [UNKNOWN]: We remember of Helen.
02:30:52 --> 02:30:53 [UNKNOWN]: Does he remember Helen?
02:30:53 --> 02:30:54 [UNKNOWN]: That's where she was 18.
02:30:55 --> 02:30:58 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, when Charlotte smelled that rosemary.
02:30:58 --> 02:31:02 [UNKNOWN]: She got like a flood of association.
02:31:03 --> 02:31:10 [UNKNOWN]: So, so Troy could be remembering a loss of Daniel's life with Helen at this point.
02:31:11 --> 02:31:17 [UNKNOWN]: But then yeah, we also saw with Juliette when she got her box of objects like she would she's like, oh, yeah, okay.
02:31:17 --> 02:31:19 [UNKNOWN]: I remember what my brother looks like now.
02:31:19 --> 02:31:25 [UNKNOWN]: I remember giving this toy to Shirley, but I don't remember this other thing over there.
02:31:25 --> 02:31:27 [UNKNOWN]: So we don't know, but I guess my question is
02:31:37 --> 02:31:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'm still waiting, like somebody but show him the pest dispenser next to you.
02:31:41 --> 02:31:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:31:42 --> 02:31:47 [UNKNOWN]: I like, yeah, so I can see like the first episode, first few episodes is easy and full.
02:31:48 --> 02:31:52 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe the first two or three is going to be like Troy struggling with this identity.
02:31:54 --> 02:31:59 [UNKNOWN]: And then maybe he becomes an honorary silo venture inside silo one.
02:32:00 --> 02:32:02 [UNKNOWN]: So I'd expect like Thurman.
02:32:03 --> 02:32:14 [UNKNOWN]: And maybe I'm Henry to play more of the role of like antagonist or antagonists.
02:32:16 --> 02:32:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to be really interested to see how like silo silo one and silo 18 interact.
02:32:24 --> 02:32:26 [UNKNOWN]: Of least I'm going to be interested to see what happens with silo 17.
02:32:28 --> 02:32:46 [UNKNOWN]: I've just, I've got this image of the final scene being the doors on all the silos, opening simultaneously, and all the people, just in the silos of got people left in them, all the people just coming out in one right massive slotted people.
02:32:47 --> 02:32:54 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I like that, I've just got the image of that being like the closing shot of the entire,
02:32:56 --> 02:33:17 [UNKNOWN]: shot that they all they all dance outside like silo seventeen did but nobody shoots at them yeah it's all like a big epic part yeah big party but nobody shooting at the no one's dropping the home panel just everybody please shout out to Snoop here sir he's not sorry hey they do you ever see the TV show Snoop here sir no
02:33:19 --> 02:33:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
02:33:19 --> 02:33:41 [UNKNOWN]: I mean a lot of people compare it to silo for it's like about they're in a post-apocalyptic train in the world as frozen over and The train is it's basically like it's silo on its side, you know, where the in the back is is the Less fortunate people who keep the train running and then, you know, the richies up front and Yeah, anyway, I won't say anymore spoilers about that.
02:33:41 --> 02:33:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah
02:33:42 --> 02:33:53 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I also just noticed that Troy, when he was looking at the silo's kinetics, it looks like he was maybe looking at the geology between the silo's like maybe thinking about sneaking a pipe.
02:33:53 --> 02:33:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like digging a pipe.
02:33:54 --> 02:33:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:33:55 --> 02:33:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was just saying they did seem surprisingly close.
02:33:58 --> 02:33:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:33:59 --> 02:34:05 [UNKNOWN]: But on that schematic, if that's what it was, again, if any geologists who have thoughts about any of this please.
02:34:05 --> 02:34:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, we need a lot of weight.
02:34:07 --> 02:34:10 [UNKNOWN]: We're basically manally sure our humanity's geeks.
02:34:10 --> 02:34:14 [UNKNOWN]: We need some absolute scientists to tell us what's what to do.
02:34:15 --> 02:34:23 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, yeah, I have my pet areas of science, but geology, I do want to know more about geology for various reasons, but yeah, it's not.
02:34:24 --> 02:34:27 [UNKNOWN]: One cannot know it all, although I do my best.
02:34:31 --> 02:34:34 [UNKNOWN]: We do though have some interesting feedback.
02:34:34 --> 02:34:46 [UNKNOWN]: So I didn't comb the discord, I will pick some highlights from that to include in the season wrap-up for all the conversations happening there if you want me to include yours tag me.
02:34:47 --> 02:34:51 [UNKNOWN]: But I did include email and some other sources.
02:34:52 --> 02:34:56 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take one final break here and then get to listen to feedback.
02:35:00 --> 02:35:03 [UNKNOWN]: Now opening the Listener feedback channel.
02:35:04 --> 02:35:05 [UNKNOWN]: Let's get into it.
02:35:05 --> 02:35:11 [UNKNOWN]: We had a, uh, from I'm not sure if I should say, junglist, mastiff or young, list mastiff.
02:35:12 --> 02:35:13 [UNKNOWN]: I'm getting, there's a picture of a dog.
02:35:13 --> 02:35:14 [UNKNOWN]: I'm blue.
02:35:14 --> 02:35:14 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:35:14 --> 02:35:15 [UNKNOWN]: I'm guessing mastiff.
02:35:16 --> 02:35:25 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, the first four episodes were slow and kind of frustrating, but ever since it's been edge of the seat stuff and credible show, amazing characters and actors, one of the very greatest of all time.
02:35:26 --> 02:35:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people feel this way about this season, although,
02:35:30 --> 02:35:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'll say, I think the first four episodes were slower than the rest.
02:35:36 --> 02:35:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I do remember being quite into them at the time.
02:35:39 --> 02:35:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I was, I think this is the thing, when people say it's slow.
02:35:43 --> 02:35:47 [UNKNOWN]: I think shows haven't, you need to do a certain amount of scenes, I think.
02:35:47 --> 02:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: Particularly when you're introducing a lot of new characters in a new timeline and a new aspect of the show.
02:35:54 --> 02:36:14 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that the reason why this episode is such a gut punch is that you do care about that, you know, I was sort of, I was sort of a bit sniffy about Daniel in the first, first episode, but you know, by the time you end up so ten, you really do care about him and what's happened to him or what's been done to him.
02:36:16 --> 02:36:21 [UNKNOWN]: And you've got to give, I think, characters a little bit of time to breathe in order to actually have you care about them.
02:36:22 --> 02:36:30 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, jungle must be, you know, you're in your, that's, that's your opinion and that's fine, but I, I don't think the show is.
02:36:31 --> 02:36:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they did, they do go on to say that it's one of the greatest of all time by the end of season.
02:36:36 --> 02:36:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the, the, the pace definitely does pick up.
02:36:40 --> 02:36:44 [UNKNOWN]: This is not the season two of House of the Dragon was just drags it to ask for 10 out of the side.
02:36:45 --> 02:36:46 [UNKNOWN]: Just still but eight.
02:36:46 --> 02:36:48 [UNKNOWN]: Eight episodes, yeah.
02:36:48 --> 02:36:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:36:50 --> 02:36:52 [UNKNOWN]: Um, Rebecca Ferguson fans, I don't blue sky.
02:36:52 --> 02:36:56 [UNKNOWN]: I've enjoyed this season immensely, especially Camille and Juliet budding heads.
02:36:56 --> 02:37:03 [UNKNOWN]: The entire cast has been great this year, but Alexandria Riley, common and Tim Robbins have gone above and beyond.
02:37:03 --> 02:37:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, great.
02:37:04 --> 02:37:07 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, well, we would we would call them anti heroes.
02:37:07 --> 02:37:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:37:08 --> 02:37:08 [UNKNOWN]: Um.
02:37:09 --> 02:37:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:37:10 --> 02:37:13 [UNKNOWN]: Julia's for Luxembourg leadership has been another highlight.
02:37:13 --> 02:37:16 [UNKNOWN]: The before times has been a mixed bag for me.
02:37:16 --> 02:37:18 [UNKNOWN]: I love the characters, but I couldn't care less about the plot.
02:37:19 --> 02:37:22 [UNKNOWN]: There's nothing bad about it, but I don't feel I need to know how everything began.
02:37:23 --> 02:37:25 [UNKNOWN]: The part about the pact did make me chuckle though.
02:37:25 --> 02:37:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'm about the AI, I think.
02:37:27 --> 02:37:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think honestly, and I know a lot of people agree with you.
02:37:34 --> 02:37:43 [UNKNOWN]: For me, I was maybe even more excited about the before-time stuff, but yeah, I think I was just so excited about this book being adapted.
02:37:44 --> 02:37:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
02:37:45 --> 02:37:45 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
02:37:45 --> 02:37:47 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
02:37:48 --> 02:37:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's just one of those things, everybody's going to have a different opinion on it.
02:37:52 --> 02:37:53 [UNKNOWN]: What's your opinion?
02:37:53 --> 02:37:56 [UNKNOWN]: Did you prefer one storyline over the other?
02:37:57 --> 02:38:03 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, once you have that ending disease and two, you're going to need to know where it goes.
02:38:06 --> 02:38:12 [UNKNOWN]: I think I would add Jessica Henwick and Ashley's upcoming to that show.
02:38:12 --> 02:38:16 [UNKNOWN]: I think they did a really good job in a comparatively short amount of time.
02:38:17 --> 02:38:23 [UNKNOWN]: And Jessica Brown finally, but I think particularly Jessica Henwick and Ashley's welcome.
02:38:25 --> 02:38:51 [UNKNOWN]: I think they went from what they did that thing of transitioning to we are working together to solve a puzzle while it was clearly having some chemistry to we are a couple to we are man and wife really like but to we are so free to particularly that last jump of we are man and wife which literally you get less I'd say you get less than five minutes at that
02:38:51 --> 02:38:55 [UNKNOWN]: But it's convincing, that relationship is convincing.
02:38:55 --> 02:39:02 [UNKNOWN]: And the same with the same with... And I'm trying to... Jessica Brown, Finley, and, yeah, and that anymore of the pasty.
02:39:03 --> 02:39:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:39:04 --> 02:39:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:39:05 --> 02:39:11 [UNKNOWN]: So like, I think if you were to ask me now what my favorite episode was, it was episode nine.
02:39:12 --> 02:39:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, because it did a really good job of establishing these relationships, establishing that these two couples were happy and prosperous and living the lives they want to live and then yanking it out from them to you.
02:39:30 --> 02:39:46 [UNKNOWN]: in a way that was really did leave me sort of, you know, I was sort of the first time I watched that, I sort of had to sit with that for like, I was just like, messing about on YouTube for a couple of hours because I couldn't do anything more like, spreading this and actually really sort of sad with me.
02:39:46 --> 02:39:50 [UNKNOWN]: I genuinely felt bad for these people that don't exist.
02:39:52 --> 02:40:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now yeah, I mean, it's this show, this show is my favorite shows are all like come down to oh my baby care Oh, this is all my baby characters Um, for me the my favorite of this season was this finale.
02:40:07 --> 02:40:18 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I just as soon as like as soon as it opens with Daniel waking up Troy waking up in the cryopot and like oh here we go and I knew like as soon as I saw the finale
02:40:21 --> 02:40:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you've been waiting 10 weeks.
02:40:24 --> 02:40:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, more than that, if people remember from me talking around the end of season one, beginning of season two, there's something else in my predictions list, I thought, what have happened now that I can't talk about.
02:40:35 --> 02:40:36 [UNKNOWN]: It was silent one.
02:40:36 --> 02:40:39 [UNKNOWN]: Like, when do I get to talk about silent one?
02:40:39 --> 02:40:44 [UNKNOWN]: Finally, they start mentioning it halfway through the season, and now we finally see inside.
02:40:44 --> 02:40:47 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'm looking forward to more of that perspective.
02:40:50 --> 02:41:02 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so Ken Walsh says by email about Daniel and Helen entering the silos in episode nine, I honestly didn't see that coming as they were so against the project.
02:41:02 --> 02:41:09 [UNKNOWN]: As I watched, I could see from the nighttime chat what was coming, but that's still they'd end up together.
02:41:10 --> 02:41:17 [UNKNOWN]: A bit myths that Helen didn't question why they were rostered at different silos, but they had to be separated for the plot and keep us book readers happy.
02:41:18 --> 02:41:19 [UNKNOWN]: Let's just pause
02:41:20 --> 02:41:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, would you think, I mean, I thought, uh, I saw some other people also say that they were, were like, oh, why didn't they question being sent to different silos?
02:41:31 --> 02:41:33 [UNKNOWN]: But I just, I thought that they just rode it off as well.
02:41:33 --> 02:41:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they did keep going to the politicians.
02:41:36 --> 02:41:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they didn't know what was about to happen.
02:41:39 --> 02:41:39 [UNKNOWN]: No, of course not.
02:41:40 --> 02:41:42 [UNKNOWN]: So why would you, you're just going on a tour?
02:41:42 --> 02:41:50 [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, I, I, I, I, I think could them being a post project is one thing, and, you know, you know, it's, you know, Stinson is great fucking cry.
02:41:51 --> 02:41:53 [UNKNOWN]: But I think about it from Helen's point of view.
02:41:54 --> 02:41:58 [UNKNOWN]: She was still going to probably still going to be the first journalist to write about it.
02:41:58 --> 02:42:05 [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, Amir, Amir is, Amir is, um, Amir is, um, Amir is Daniel Sister-in-law.
02:42:05 --> 02:42:14 [UNKNOWN]: you know, the family and Daniel and Charlotte don't have much family.
02:42:14 --> 02:42:27 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, I think there isn't an extent to which, you know, you go along to, you know, you go along to placate the people, you live on the people who are, you know, who are related to.
02:42:27 --> 02:42:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:42:28 --> 02:42:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:42:30 --> 02:42:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um,
02:42:32 --> 02:42:36 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, I think, yeah, they just obviously didn't expect the world to blow up.
02:42:36 --> 02:42:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as far as not being able to remember mentioned of crygenic chambers, they have, yeah, they did not, but now you have seen the finale.
02:42:47 --> 02:42:50 [UNKNOWN]: So you know how they are incorporating them into the story.
02:42:50 --> 02:42:59 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say there was an additional book spoiler point here that I am redacting and saving for the spoiler cast on the topic of Anna's story.
02:43:01 --> 02:43:10 [UNKNOWN]: about pewter Gabriel Kenwash said, I'm nearly a hundred percent sure it was his family, they other people standing on the stage with him because it was mentioned that his family wanted to see a silo and he played for free.
02:43:11 --> 02:43:15 [UNKNOWN]: Drying dishes, question has me curious, is it just an American thing?
02:43:16 --> 02:43:19 [UNKNOWN]: The cook never does the dishes because it's definitely not an Irish thing.
02:43:22 --> 02:43:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so okay, is this an American thing that's not an American thing?
02:43:30 --> 02:43:34 [UNKNOWN]: I've seen the thing where, yeah, if you cook, you don't, you don't do the dishes.
02:43:35 --> 02:43:41 [UNKNOWN]: So I think this is just the, this is just the different houses, different farmers, but yeah, no.
02:43:41 --> 02:43:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fair.
02:43:42 --> 02:43:44 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a particular American thing.
02:43:45 --> 02:43:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, thank you, Ken, for your email.
02:43:46 --> 02:43:48 [UNKNOWN]: Very curious to hear about your finale thoughts.
02:43:49 --> 02:43:51 [UNKNOWN]: Tony C says, by email, a highly shin Luke.
02:43:51 --> 02:43:57 [UNKNOWN]: All I can say is W-T-A-F-After episode, not after that episode nine, ending.
02:43:58 --> 02:44:00 [UNKNOWN]: It can actually be a nuclear explosion, Ken, it.
02:44:01 --> 02:44:11 [UNKNOWN]: I've come to the conclusion having listened to yourself, Luke, and other commentators, elsewhere, that it was a nuclear device, but I thought it might have been another form of the gray goo or some AI illusion.
02:44:12 --> 02:44:34 [UNKNOWN]: If it's stenson that said it off, he's he's crazy as a box of frogs and more evil than even I had thought but it's definitely looking that way roll on episode 10 and as the series finishes I'm glad I've got six more episodes of lanterns to look forward to all the best Tony and I'll say if you like silo lanterns is also like
02:44:35 --> 02:44:41 [UNKNOWN]: sci-fi, noir, mystery, and David and Jean are doing great coverage of it over on the lower house feed.
02:44:41 --> 02:44:44 [UNKNOWN]: So check out if you like silo and you're like, what next?
02:44:44 --> 02:44:45 [UNKNOWN]: Check out Lanterns for sure on HBO.
02:44:46 --> 02:44:52 [UNKNOWN]: But, okay, about the stenson thing and about, you know, with Tony saying, what do we think at this point?
02:44:52 --> 02:44:58 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think Luke about the relation between all these things that stenson brought up?
02:44:58 --> 02:45:00 [UNKNOWN]: Like he gave that whole speech about nanos,
02:45:02 --> 02:45:03 [UNKNOWN]: Now what?
02:45:04 --> 02:45:05 [UNKNOWN]: And then a bomb went off.
02:45:05 --> 02:45:06 [UNKNOWN]: And then there's cryo.
02:45:06 --> 02:45:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then there's this, the, the gas that they are poisoning people with what's going on with the outside.
02:45:13 --> 02:45:14 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
02:45:14 --> 02:45:16 [UNKNOWN]: How do you think any of these things connect?
02:45:17 --> 02:45:20 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think as I've explained, I sort of talked about earlier on.
02:45:21 --> 02:45:22 [UNKNOWN]: I think this is all stentons.
02:45:23 --> 02:45:25 [UNKNOWN]: Planters are rewire humanity.
02:45:25 --> 02:45:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I was surprised that the number of people in the, that I've seen in the discord elsewhere, that sort of bought the idea that the bomb just went off at the same time.
02:45:35 --> 02:45:39 [UNKNOWN]: Like the timing of it is far too convenient to me.
02:45:39 --> 02:45:43 [UNKNOWN]: And so until somebody tells me otherwise I'm assuming extensive behind it.
02:45:43 --> 02:45:48 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I just think this is all part of since this plan took like rewire humility.
02:45:49 --> 02:45:53 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think they spend so much time in episode 8 talking about the nanos?
02:45:55 --> 02:45:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a good question.
02:45:56 --> 02:46:04 [UNKNOWN]: I'm expecting like in in season four, the nanos are used in silo one to build things.
02:46:05 --> 02:46:17 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe the drones or maybe like, maybe they are like built into the structure of silo one and they're keeping all this pretty advanced technology and good repair.
02:46:18 --> 02:46:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:46:20 --> 02:46:22 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, what about the gray goose stuff?
02:46:26 --> 02:46:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I believe that the nanos can turn you into great.
02:46:28 --> 02:46:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I really don't know about that.
02:46:32 --> 02:46:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not sure
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02:47:02 --> 02:47:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm curious, if there are, if you want to write back before the finale, I'm curious what changes you like the most or the least in this adaptation.
02:47:12 --> 02:47:19 [UNKNOWN]: So Candice says, the reason I wanted to send you a note is on the question as to why the drone didn't stay around to make sure that Lucas and Kennedy were dead.
02:47:19 --> 02:47:27 [UNKNOWN]: If the cleaning suit taped broke down quickly in the corrosive air one would imagine that the drones would also break down quickly unless they were made of some pretty sturdy stuff.
02:47:27 --> 02:47:29 [UNKNOWN]: That's why I think they couldn't hang around.
02:47:29 --> 02:47:33 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, really hope we can see the inside of the fresh new silos next episode.
02:47:33 --> 02:47:33 [UNKNOWN]: Thanks, Candace.
02:47:34 --> 02:47:37 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, Candace, we didn't we got we didn't get to see.
02:47:37 --> 02:47:41 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, inside of the fresh new silos, but we did get to see the inside of silo ones.
02:47:41 --> 02:47:42 [UNKNOWN]: So I hope that was a.
02:47:43 --> 02:47:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:47:44 --> 02:47:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:47:45 --> 02:48:00 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and it's a good, it's a good thought, uh, Candace about the drones, except that if that were the case, why are the people in solo 17 able to sort of hang out outside quite happily until the drones come along.
02:48:02 --> 02:48:03 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, and can they still?
02:48:03 --> 02:48:05 [UNKNOWN]: We know Lucas didn't die.
02:48:05 --> 02:48:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:48:05 --> 02:48:06 [UNKNOWN]: The hole in it too.
02:48:06 --> 02:48:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:48:06 --> 02:48:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:48:08 --> 02:48:21 [UNKNOWN]: questions questions um okay so this next one it was an email from Paul Kent but I've saved most of it for the spoiler cast this week I just had to share this one part here by the way enjoying Luke's weekly bomb making this.
02:48:23 --> 02:48:31 [UNKNOWN]: Well Paul if if you want to if you want to sign up as a skid you stand resemblance to the university of some countries I can certainly send you the
02:48:37 --> 02:48:41 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and so this is the longer email from Shivan Logan.
02:48:41 --> 02:48:42 [UNKNOWN]: Hi there.
02:48:42 --> 02:48:48 [UNKNOWN]: At least you'll look first through the mess of thank you for your marathon stint pulling and all night or to get the silo season 3 episode 9 podcast out to us.
02:48:49 --> 02:48:54 [UNKNOWN]: It's been, your podcast has been a good companion, bingeing the seasons this summer.
02:48:55 --> 02:48:57 [UNKNOWN]: What an epic episode this was.
02:48:57 --> 02:49:04 [UNKNOWN]: We were so blown away, we had to rewatch today and now have enough flickering conspiracy theories
02:49:08 --> 02:49:12 [UNKNOWN]: All I will say about Silo 18 is I believe in Team Julia as much as Bernard does.
02:49:12 --> 02:49:19 [UNKNOWN]: Lord knows what they're up to, but I am sure they will stop the memory juice in 55 and cap the pipe and judicial by seasons end and they did.
02:49:20 --> 02:49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Forcing the conversation Bernard promised with Furious and Pan-Extric and Wizard of Oz over in Silo 1 and the body count.
02:49:28 --> 02:49:33 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe they'll take out Walker which will break jewels all over again and maybe one of the Sims.
02:49:33 --> 02:49:37 [UNKNOWN]: My money would be on Robert because like Bernard, he's had his redemption story.
02:49:37 --> 02:49:43 [UNKNOWN]: They've been trying all season to deeprogrammed Camille, but I still think lady make Beth is trying to play sides and play.
02:49:44 --> 02:49:47 [UNKNOWN]: Play for time till a better way to save Anthony comes along.
02:49:48 --> 02:49:52 [UNKNOWN]: Very suspicious that not one citizen has been feeling a little woozy from the water so far.
02:49:52 --> 02:49:55 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it seems Camille indeed.
02:49:56 --> 02:49:59 [UNKNOWN]: has been playing the voice at the end of their time.
02:50:00 --> 02:50:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:50:01 --> 02:50:06 [UNKNOWN]: But my ten pages of notes this week are really about the world above.
02:50:06 --> 02:50:08 [UNKNOWN]: Bernard may have died with dignity and a gleam of hope.
02:50:08 --> 02:50:15 [UNKNOWN]: But who can forgive the fuckery of teams, Stenson, who doom the entire entire generations to a more-lock existence.
02:50:15 --> 02:50:20 [UNKNOWN]: Dragged Helen into a separate silo from Daniel, and even sent Peter Gabriel down below.
02:50:21 --> 02:50:28 [UNKNOWN]: Hubby and I were initially convinced that the nuclear bomb only affected Atlanta creating a no-go exclusion zone as in Chernobyl.
02:50:28 --> 02:50:33 [UNKNOWN]: But on rewatching, he Rick came up with the idea that the explosion itself is faked.
02:50:34 --> 02:50:40 [UNKNOWN]: He thinks the mushroom cloud and detonation is a VR creation likewise, the gray goo and Iran.
02:50:40 --> 02:50:45 [UNKNOWN]: think Bernard's headset that he showed Mary Meadows, but far more sophisticated and scaled up.
02:50:45 --> 02:50:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's all a giant trick to drive a terrified population underground and keep them there for 500 years.
02:50:51 --> 02:50:53 [UNKNOWN]: As Julie had said, it's not the how but the why of it.
02:50:55 --> 02:50:56 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, pausing there.
02:50:56 --> 02:50:57 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think of this theory?
02:50:58 --> 02:51:02 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, firstly, she bought and you've clearly been stealing my
02:51:11 --> 02:51:19 [UNKNOWN]: I like that, I think that, I'm not saying I can completely agree with it, but yeah, that you certainly give me something to chill on there, Shabbard.
02:51:20 --> 02:51:31 [UNKNOWN]: The one thing I would say is you do see a shockwave coming towards Daniel and Henry and a third person who I can't remember who it was.
02:51:31 --> 02:51:33 [UNKNOWN]: But another eight or so.
02:51:33 --> 02:51:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:51:34 --> 02:51:35 [UNKNOWN]: So.
02:51:37 --> 02:51:47 [UNKNOWN]: that would be you know that then I think that would have to have some physical force behind it because you see it like ripping off the grass and I'm throwing off earth in the atmosphere.
02:51:48 --> 02:51:56 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm not ready to completely dismiss that theory but I think there are some holes in it.
02:51:56 --> 02:51:57 [UNKNOWN]: I like the spirit of it.
02:51:57 --> 02:51:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:51:59 --> 02:51:59 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:51:59 --> 02:52:12 [UNKNOWN]: So getting into the why, Shivan says, Pairsdance and believes his own accounts of coming, of a coming extension level event, as does the true believer Senator who may be in that case, but is not the full she plays.
02:52:13 --> 02:52:20 [UNKNOWN]: They want a working silo system and comply in population long before that happens, but each of the 50 silos is a test tube.
02:52:20 --> 02:52:31 [UNKNOWN]: with its own carefully selected population mix and some cross-contamination, oh, uh, and some significant variation, like Silas 17 got Peter Gabriel and more already stuff.
02:52:32 --> 02:52:38 [UNKNOWN]: It's crucial to Paris experiment that no cross-contamination, uh, that there's no cross-contamination between the test tubes.
02:52:39 --> 02:52:48 [UNKNOWN]: and that the experiment be allowed to play out for 500 years to a certain what are the best conditions for a human population to survive that long during a potential apocalypse.
02:52:49 --> 02:52:51 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, because the apocalypse is not real, got it.
02:52:52 --> 02:52:59 [UNKNOWN]: Any attempts by population to break out of a silo and crossover to another one, retains to break the illusion and set off a chain reaction.
02:53:00 --> 02:53:05 [UNKNOWN]: That test tube is seen as contaminated and destroyed, hence the safeguard system of backups.
02:53:06 --> 02:53:13 [UNKNOWN]: I think there are poison pipes running right through the system with vents on the surface too to release strategic doses when needed.
02:53:14 --> 02:53:20 [UNKNOWN]: We noticed all the little circles on the map between silos and hubby thinks they're related to maintaining a VR dome
02:53:21 --> 02:53:27 [UNKNOWN]: with areas within the system that can be activated to offer requisite images and sensory experiences.
02:53:27 --> 02:53:34 [UNKNOWN]: Also, silos absolutely must not develop radio communications enabling them to reconnect to the outside world beyond the wasteland dome.
02:53:34 --> 02:53:45 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say, I'm curious, if you mean on the map, the little circles on the map, a lot of people have been bringing up online and they are, they were like a key that there was like bar here, bathroom here.
02:53:45 --> 02:53:46 [UNKNOWN]: That's sort of thing.
02:53:51 --> 02:53:57 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, was in it, but I don't know, so let me know if that's what you mean by the circles between the things.
02:53:57 --> 02:53:58 [UNKNOWN]: But what do you think?
02:53:58 --> 02:54:02 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so we've talked about the world's not real part, but what do you think about?
02:54:02 --> 02:54:12 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we, I guess we've talked a lot about the social experiment idea, but do you think there's significant variation between the silos is silo 17, the already silo?
02:54:20 --> 02:54:26 [UNKNOWN]: I think this is pretty close to what I was saying about Stanton's experiment.
02:54:26 --> 02:54:29 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know about the is there an arty silo?
02:54:29 --> 02:54:31 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, maybe it does kind of make sense.
02:54:32 --> 02:54:36 [UNKNOWN]: If it was the arty silo, which was what would silo eat team be?
02:54:37 --> 02:54:41 [UNKNOWN]: The sort of engineering, sciencey kind of silo, I guess.
02:54:42 --> 02:54:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess so with the stem silo, the one or the rest, what other variations would there be?
02:54:48 --> 02:55:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, all right, and then Shavank continues, only the inner circle of sense and Henry Anna Thurman and the gruesome docks are, no, that there was no nuclear explosion and no dirty bomb and no gray goo.
02:55:05 --> 02:55:08 [UNKNOWN]: This is, well, I think there was Grey Goose.
02:55:08 --> 02:55:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're wrong.
02:55:08 --> 02:55:11 [UNKNOWN]: Because, um, Charlotte actually touched it.
02:55:11 --> 02:55:12 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:55:12 --> 02:55:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:55:13 --> 02:55:17 [UNKNOWN]: This is all the Trojan Horse Theory, uh, the Trojan Horse of Trickery.
02:55:17 --> 02:55:20 [UNKNOWN]: Daniel believes his experience to nuclear catastrophe.
02:55:20 --> 02:55:23 [UNKNOWN]: He will find himself in Silent One and Bernard's position.
02:55:23 --> 02:55:28 [UNKNOWN]: Told he has to lead a team whose job it is to spot and fix problems in every other silo.
02:55:28 --> 02:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're not... Yeah, you're not off the, okay, something.
02:55:31 --> 02:55:38 [UNKNOWN]: He'll be told it's either comply or risk Helen and his unborn child in silo 18 coming to the surface and dying horribly.
02:55:38 --> 02:55:42 [UNKNOWN]: Well, or they just might wipe his memory out.
02:55:42 --> 02:55:47 [UNKNOWN]: Everybody else gets doped up with Vitamin D while the original silo staff train them into their new roles.
02:55:48 --> 02:55:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's exactly as Camille describes to Juliet in this episode.
02:55:51 --> 02:55:56 [UNKNOWN]: No wonder episode nine that it's no wonder relics of the before-time were banned and hunted down.
02:55:56 --> 02:55:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure.
02:55:57 --> 02:56:01 [UNKNOWN]: Next week is Troy episode, which we're talking about now.
02:56:01 --> 02:56:06 [UNKNOWN]: Silas citizens witness the horror of war and fall of a city from their bunkers or do they.
02:56:06 --> 02:56:12 [UNKNOWN]: The fakes nuclear bomb and enduring wasteland is a Trojan horse as a stains of 350 years siege.
02:56:12 --> 02:56:15 [UNKNOWN]: Helen is the abducted woman at the center of the storm.
02:56:18 --> 02:56:22 [UNKNOWN]: But vitamin D or no, she's also the first flame keeper that part I definitely believe.
02:56:22 --> 02:56:26 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, is it just me or is the story actually better than the real one?
02:56:26 --> 02:56:32 [UNKNOWN]: Oh no, we don't know the whole real story yet, but I do enjoy this one.
02:56:32 --> 02:56:37 [UNKNOWN]: Her relics, especially her lost notebook, may still reveal the why of it to Juliette's people.
02:56:38 --> 02:56:41 [UNKNOWN]: Season 4 will open with the stalemate between silos 18 and 1.
02:56:41 --> 02:56:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, well predicted that.
02:56:44 --> 02:56:49 [UNKNOWN]: Ultimately, Julia can only break the system by breaking into silent one and pulling the curtain away.
02:56:49 --> 02:56:57 [UNKNOWN]: Though, I do suspect the air is a pair of stents and are not doing the dirty work in silent one, but monitoring the experiment from their bunker, some luxury, some way away.
02:56:57 --> 02:57:04 [UNKNOWN]: And that's funny because so we know now it's not the airs of the founders, but it is the founders themselves preserved.
02:57:04 --> 02:57:09 [UNKNOWN]: But you and Shavam both predict that pair and his ilk would be...
02:57:12 --> 02:57:19 [UNKNOWN]: I think he is currently cryogenically, and he's currently in a big vat of cryogenic goo.
02:57:19 --> 02:57:21 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:57:21 --> 02:57:21 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:57:24 --> 02:57:34 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, 50 test tubes, a silo one watcher hub, a giant VR dome to contain the illusion, a 500 oh, that's where the video is, I give it.
02:57:34 --> 02:57:46 [UNKNOWN]: A 500 year old, 500 year long experiment to test out the infrastructure supplies, social structures, and most of all, the methods of psychological manipulation required.
02:57:46 --> 02:57:50 [UNKNOWN]: and the embers of a love story to keep the flame of hope down below.
02:57:50 --> 02:57:55 [UNKNOWN]: I hope we uncover more family trees to link Helen's baby girl to Juliet.
02:57:55 --> 02:57:56 [UNKNOWN]: Jeans went out.
02:57:56 --> 02:57:58 [UNKNOWN]: So sorry to unload all that on you guys.
02:57:58 --> 02:57:58 [UNKNOWN]: I will stop now.
02:57:58 --> 02:57:59 [UNKNOWN]: I promise.
02:57:59 --> 02:57:59 [UNKNOWN]: No, don't stop.
02:57:59 --> 02:58:00 [UNKNOWN]: Keep going.
02:58:01 --> 02:58:11 [UNKNOWN]: As far as Julia being the descendant, I still, like, our best evidence is that George wants which I know they would be distant cousins but still.
02:58:11 --> 02:58:14 [UNKNOWN]: But so would everybody in the silo base.
02:58:14 --> 02:58:19 [UNKNOWN]: Fair, fair, true, but I don't know if we need that, like, pointed.
02:58:19 --> 02:58:25 [UNKNOWN]: They're both related to the same person, ikiness, although then she can move on with Lucas.
02:58:30 --> 02:58:41 [UNKNOWN]: I guess my biggest question for this would be if the rest of the world is still going outside, what do they think happen to the people in the silo system who went to this pair of stents and event and never gave back?
02:58:41 --> 02:58:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
02:58:44 --> 02:58:45 [UNKNOWN]: That's very true.
02:58:46 --> 02:58:46 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:58:47 --> 02:58:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although I love the places your mind's going, Shaman, I'm very curious what you're.
02:58:52 --> 02:58:54 [UNKNOWN]: This is a great piece of writing, Shaman.
02:58:54 --> 02:58:58 [UNKNOWN]: I think you need to set this all down now.
02:58:59 --> 02:59:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, set this all down because I'm very curious your thoughts after the finale.
02:59:04 --> 02:59:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:59:07 --> 02:59:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then we got an email from this is a longer one, but I think it's very insightful.
02:59:13 --> 02:59:22 [UNKNOWN]: It's from an ex member of Congress who is going by Chris and I'll say I do know who this is.
02:59:22 --> 02:59:26 [UNKNOWN]: We're real identity withheld, but is someone who served two terms as a Democrat for a large
02:59:29 --> 02:59:41 [UNKNOWN]: But, so he's weighing in on our questions from early in the season or on going throughout the season about Daniel as a congressman and how realistic the portrayal of that is.
02:59:42 --> 02:59:50 [UNKNOWN]: So Chris says, well, I am a big fan of silo and Alicia's podcasts of new Star Wars can and timeline podcasts, please.
02:59:50 --> 02:59:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like, yes, I promise there's more coming.
02:59:52 --> 02:59:55 [UNKNOWN]: Actually, I promise there's more coming.
02:59:55 --> 02:59:57 [UNKNOWN]: There's will be more news on that soon.
02:59:58 --> 03:00:01 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, Chris says I'm several weeks behind.
03:00:01 --> 03:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: So this letter may sound a bit out of date, but actually it does not because the question of Daniel, I still calling him that as a congressman, is Evergreen.
03:00:11 --> 03:00:18 [UNKNOWN]: As a former member of Congress, I did want to get to you a few observations before you wrapped your season three coverage.
03:00:19 --> 03:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: None of the following observations should be seen as complaints.
03:00:22 --> 03:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'm impressed with how generally accurate silo is.
03:00:26 --> 03:00:32 [UNKNOWN]: That said, here are some notes on the specifics of how they treat Daniel Keene's being a freshman member of Congress.
03:00:33 --> 03:00:37 [UNKNOWN]: There are many shows in which I've seen members of Congress surrounded by staff or even security.
03:00:38 --> 03:00:46 [UNKNOWN]: While this would be totally unrealistic for a freshman and is also unlikely that a freshman congressman would be spending lots of time during the day away from any staff person.
03:00:46 --> 03:00:52 [UNKNOWN]: Presumably keen gave staff the slip-like merit, Juliet Nichols gives her mind or slip in the silo.
03:00:53 --> 03:00:56 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, King might silence his phone to their calls as well.
03:00:57 --> 03:01:06 [UNKNOWN]: However, this would risk him missing votes as a new Congressman missing more than a few floor votes would be highly irregular and the media in his district would notice immediately.
03:01:07 --> 03:01:11 [UNKNOWN]: If the House wasn't in session, including on any weekend day,
03:01:11 --> 03:01:16 [UNKNOWN]: He would likely be in his district in Georgia unless he had no fear of being defeated.
03:01:16 --> 03:01:18 [UNKNOWN]: Well, turns out he didn't want to run again.
03:01:18 --> 03:01:24 [UNKNOWN]: So perhaps having a sister in a hospital near DC could explain his extended presence in DC a bit.
03:01:25 --> 03:01:30 [UNKNOWN]: Their credential of a member of Congress is not something a dark web hacker would be at all interested in.
03:01:30 --> 03:01:37 [UNKNOWN]: All that interested in the Capitol police and certainly this sergeant at arms officers memorized enough about the current
03:01:40 --> 03:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: In fact, members rarely use their cards as identification and instead usually wear an official pin to make their identification easier for the capital police as the only electronic access The credential grants is that members vote with their cards, but you have to be in the house chamber to vote.
03:02:00 --> 03:02:04 [UNKNOWN]: So it would still require walking past security familiar with every member.
03:02:04 --> 03:02:05 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if
03:02:07 --> 03:02:14 [UNKNOWN]: it was used to somehow like given to someone else who is in Congress and used to sneak a vote through or something.
03:02:14 --> 03:02:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
03:02:14 --> 03:02:22 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if there were more shenanigans with that we didn't see because like we still didn't find who is the hacker in Maldova and yeah.
03:02:22 --> 03:02:24 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we have a will.
03:02:24 --> 03:02:28 [UNKNOWN]: I just don't need this enough time left in the season to do our time episodes.
03:02:28 --> 03:02:32 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see, we'll see, 10 episodes, maybe it's just all fault in a place.
03:02:32 --> 03:02:33 [UNKNOWN]: We'll find out next season.
03:02:34 --> 03:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, Chris continues.
03:02:35 --> 03:02:44 [UNKNOWN]: Also, the cards and pins are lost all too frequently, so I imagine the underworld has plenty of opportunity to get a hold of one without blackmailing a sitting member.
03:02:44 --> 03:02:51 [UNKNOWN]: Most committees are either house or senate, although there are some joint committees, and perhaps the Iran committee, is one of them.
03:02:51 --> 03:02:56 [UNKNOWN]: However, members of committees are not selected by the chairman, but by the party leadership.
03:02:56 --> 03:03:02 [UNKNOWN]: So a Republican senator would really have no sway in choosing a democratic representative to join a committee.
03:03:03 --> 03:03:07 [UNKNOWN]: It would be the House Democratic leadership that would put representative keen on the Iran committee.
03:03:08 --> 03:03:17 [UNKNOWN]: When Helen speaks of dropping Congressman Daniel King off at Rayburn, it would be more likely to go to a committee meeting than his office.
03:03:18 --> 03:03:24 [UNKNOWN]: New Congressman rarely, if ever, have an office in the Rayburn building since they are large and elected more by senior members.
03:03:26 --> 03:03:31 [UNKNOWN]: There are two other house office buildings, long-worth and canon, where freshmen would have offices.
03:03:32 --> 03:03:41 [UNKNOWN]: If the program wanted to stress how much time he spends raising money, it could have had him dropped off at a campaign committee or political fundraising firm's office.
03:03:42 --> 03:03:54 [UNKNOWN]: It is realistic that a congressman would make fun raising calls from a cubicle away from his office and most staff and presumably in a non-governmental building to people in his district who do not want to hear from him.
03:03:55 --> 03:04:02 [UNKNOWN]: These would not be purely cold calls but could be to anyone who has donated money to campaigns of the same party.
03:04:02 --> 03:04:14 [UNKNOWN]: when he intmates that his day is spent mostly calling people for money that is sadly largely true, especially if he is from a district where he will face well-funded opposition in his reelection.
03:04:16 --> 03:04:22 [UNKNOWN]: Um, it is also realistic that a freshman congressman wouldn't know any real military secrets.
03:04:23 --> 03:04:31 [UNKNOWN]: Allen would be a pretty bad reporter if she actually expected he could be a decent source on planned military actions when they first met in the non-date air last season.
03:04:32 --> 03:04:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I assume in that case, um, it was just more an access thing because Charlotte came to her and she's like, I have a brother in congress so start there.
03:04:42 --> 03:04:44 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, do you have any thoughts on anything since it's over?
03:04:44 --> 03:04:45 [UNKNOWN]: No, this is over.
03:04:45 --> 03:04:47 [UNKNOWN]: This is all really interesting.
03:04:47 --> 03:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: Well.
03:04:49 --> 03:05:13 [UNKNOWN]: Chris continues, in fact, it is increasingly unlikely that anyone in Congress would have any advanced knowledge of any sort of military mission, but if anyone did, it would only be the top leaders of each house and the may be the chairman and ranking member, usually the senior most member of the minor party of committees with jurisdiction over intelligence, military, and may be foreign affairs, and they would have heads up at most.
03:05:13 --> 03:05:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:05:15 --> 03:05:20 [UNKNOWN]: So those people are collectively referred to as the gang of eight.
03:05:21 --> 03:05:24 [UNKNOWN]: So that's the, let me see if I get this right.
03:05:24 --> 03:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: That that is deleted.
03:05:25 --> 03:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: That is the leaders in both houses.
03:05:29 --> 03:05:34 [UNKNOWN]: The, the, the the leaders are foreign, the foreign affairs committees on the ranking.
03:05:35 --> 03:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: Remember the, the chair of the intelligence
03:05:40 --> 03:05:44 [UNKNOWN]: and the ranking number and the chair of the defense committee and the ranking number.
03:05:45 --> 03:05:45 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
03:05:49 --> 03:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, Luke is exactly right that the president would make all the decisions that wouldn't involve anyone in Congress unless a supplemental appropriation was needed.
03:05:56 --> 03:05:59 [UNKNOWN]: And that would be much further down the timeline.
03:05:59 --> 03:06:07 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure what purpose the Iran committee would have, but it is unlikely it would have any jurisdiction over any present or future policy.
03:06:07 --> 03:06:16 [UNKNOWN]: Likely, it would just be a way for Congress to show it's paying attention to a, and be a platform for members to make public comments about the situation.
03:06:17 --> 03:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, what do we think the Iran community really was in the end?
03:06:20 --> 03:06:26 [UNKNOWN]: Is that just a codename or was that just the part about bombing?
03:06:26 --> 03:06:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's the part about bombing the Nano Center in Iran.
03:06:29 --> 03:06:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's probably also code for the site, because I don't think Senator Thurman would be able to get the level of government corporation.
03:06:39 --> 03:06:41 [UNKNOWN]: It would require entirely on our own.
03:06:43 --> 03:06:47 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, it seems that's for the pair of stents in with his private investment.
03:06:48 --> 03:06:49 [UNKNOWN]: Got through.
03:06:49 --> 03:06:53 [UNKNOWN]: But I do wonder to what extent was the government in the books.
03:06:53 --> 03:06:55 [UNKNOWN]: It was like all governments.
03:06:55 --> 03:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder to what extent this version, the government was involved.
03:06:58 --> 03:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:06:58 --> 03:07:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's making, again, maybe we'll, maybe we'll we'll talk to that in season four.
03:07:06 --> 03:07:06 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
03:07:07 --> 03:07:17 [UNKNOWN]: Chris says Luke mentioned how he, how he must have a pretty cynical view of members of Congress that Congressmen, Daniel Kane must have legislation to read and constituent mail to answer.
03:07:17 --> 03:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Sadly for a freshman congressman from a challenging district, especially if his party is the minority party, how he and the showrunners might have it about right.
03:07:27 --> 03:07:40 [UNKNOWN]: King will want to and feel he should meet with legitimate interest groups and constituents, read and answer mail and read and understand legislation, but there are plenty of staff who can handle all those jobs.
03:07:41 --> 03:07:53 [UNKNOWN]: Even his participation in on house committees wouldn't be important for refreshments since he would have such low seniority that it could take hours to get his turn to ask a question or present an amendment.
03:07:53 --> 03:07:59 [UNKNOWN]: The main things he himself has to do is vote on the House floor and make calls to raise money.
03:07:59 --> 03:08:08 [UNKNOWN]: A senator or senior member may have an army of fundraisers, but keen would be expected by political donors to make the call himself.
03:08:08 --> 03:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: Look, my not realize the size of the congressional staff because the typical congressman's office staff is much larger than that of a UK MP.
03:08:17 --> 03:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: in the US, a typical congressional district has more than 750 people in it, more than eight times, as populace as a typical MP can stick to it.
03:08:26 --> 03:08:33 [UNKNOWN]: See, they would have a staff, a 15 to 20 to assist them with it, not including fundraising and campaign staff.
03:08:33 --> 03:08:36 [UNKNOWN]: A UK MP would have three to five staff members.
03:08:36 --> 03:08:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's absolutely correct.
03:08:38 --> 03:08:41 [UNKNOWN]: So the way it works in the UK,
03:08:42 --> 03:08:56 [UNKNOWN]: is when the electoral commission draws constituency boundaries, because in the UK constituency boundaries is drawn by the electoral commission, and the parties in parliament have to vote on that straight up or down.
03:08:56 --> 03:08:59 [UNKNOWN]: They can't make any amendments to it.
03:08:59 --> 03:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: They can just say yes or no.
03:09:02 --> 03:09:05 [UNKNOWN]: So basically the district he has done by an independent body,
03:09:09 --> 03:09:17 [UNKNOWN]: of roughly equal size, so each constituency should have about 70 people living at a given or taking.
03:09:18 --> 03:09:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
03:09:19 --> 03:09:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
03:09:22 --> 03:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: Finally, as to Daniel Keene's naivete and Mr. Smith goes to Washington Qualities, I personally found those quite realistic.
03:09:29 --> 03:09:48 [UNKNOWN]: Members of Congress very wildly in their background, but in time when both US political parties base voters are increasingly skeptical of so-called professional politicians, it is more likely that a freshman will have a very unenformed idea of how Washington DC operates sincerely, ex-member of Congress Chris.
03:09:49 --> 03:09:53 [UNKNOWN]: I've been a thank you, Chris, for writing in.
03:09:53 --> 03:09:54 [UNKNOWN]: That is really informative.
03:09:55 --> 03:09:57 [UNKNOWN]: Be, I've got to say, I'm kind of intimidated.
03:09:57 --> 03:10:01 [UNKNOWN]: When I record these podcasts, I'm just having a conversation with all these things.
03:10:01 --> 03:10:08 [UNKNOWN]: The idea that people are actually listening to this stuff is, is a little intimidating to be honest.
03:10:08 --> 03:10:12 [UNKNOWN]: So this doesn't just go for Chris, this goes for anybody, the right feedback.
03:10:12 --> 03:10:14 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much.
03:10:16 --> 03:10:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's really great to know that the people actually take the time to listen to the fuckers, especially when they get to the monstrous like the last couple of times as well.
03:10:26 --> 03:10:28 [UNKNOWN]: There's much to dissect.
03:10:28 --> 03:10:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:10:31 --> 03:10:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
03:10:32 --> 03:10:34 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I echo all of that.
03:10:34 --> 03:10:35 [UNKNOWN]: Like I just did.
03:10:36 --> 03:10:45 [UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, we can sit here and pick and, you know, analyze the show and have our fun with it, but it's so much more fun having all of you involved as well.
03:10:45 --> 03:10:46 [UNKNOWN]: So thank you so much.
03:10:47 --> 03:10:53 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we do have a few more pieces of feedback, uh, Gabby, Sympa, email, hello, Leshen, look.
03:10:53 --> 03:10:54 [UNKNOWN]: I think Luke is right about the silos.
03:10:54 --> 03:11:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's slowly populating themselves pairs, uh, Denson's personal calculation was for there to be a hundred people per silo and they were taking tour groups down in groups of 20 that would make for 2000 additional people per silo before the tomb bomb went off assuming they all got down in time.
03:11:14 --> 03:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: That should be enough to repopulate safely, especially with unions and births being extremely approved.
03:11:21 --> 03:11:28 [UNKNOWN]: Also, it would be a logistics nightmare to have 10 new people in a silo all at once after a traumatic event and only 100 staff.
03:11:28 --> 03:11:30 [UNKNOWN]: That's a very good point.
03:11:30 --> 03:11:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a good point.
03:11:32 --> 03:11:35 [UNKNOWN]: Who presumably would not have known about the bomb before went off?
03:11:35 --> 03:11:36 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
03:11:36 --> 03:11:36 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think...
03:11:37 --> 03:11:38 [UNKNOWN]: tour guide from there.
03:11:38 --> 03:12:05 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if I
03:12:07 --> 03:12:24 [UNKNOWN]: Gabby says, I just started listening to your shift discussion with Abby and decided to look up how many people attend Democratic presidential convention because I said, yeah, that's it was a Democratic presidential convention where this all were the silos were opened and the bomb went off.
03:12:25 --> 03:12:52 [UNKNOWN]: in the books and so Gabby says low and behold the number is 50 so in the book the siloes are fully populated from the get go but then no because it would be 500 and then she said actually I was doing the math wrong 50 divided by 50 is 10 per no yes 1 per silo so closer to what I was estimating for the TV show the book siloes would also populate slowly.
03:12:53 --> 03:12:57 [UNKNOWN]: Making listening to your book podcast makes me want to read the books again There's so much I forgot and thanks again Gabby.
03:12:57 --> 03:13:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, every time I go back into the books I find a new detail.
03:13:01 --> 03:13:02 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh right really.
03:13:02 --> 03:13:02 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
03:13:02 --> 03:13:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah Thank you.
03:13:06 --> 03:13:07 [UNKNOWN]: How he says the same about his own books.
03:13:09 --> 03:13:12 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I have the same with you know, I write I write my stories and
03:13:13 --> 03:13:24 [UNKNOWN]: I've been working on this novel for ages, and at one point, a use scriptwriter, and my computer crash, and like I lost the old thing in a recovered, I eventually did get the version I was working on back.
03:13:24 --> 03:13:30 [UNKNOWN]: But at first I cut this version from several years before that was the first one I recovered, and I read through it.
03:13:30 --> 03:13:33 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, I wrote this about this world.
03:13:34 --> 03:13:36 [UNKNOWN]: It was completely different.
03:13:37 --> 03:13:37 [UNKNOWN]: That's how writing goes.
03:13:38 --> 03:13:45 [UNKNOWN]: Um, Jackie says on Patreon, I just want to know with the light bulbs went crying emoji.
03:13:46 --> 03:13:49 [UNKNOWN]: A real thing that I'd like to see is how the relic business began.
03:13:49 --> 03:13:53 [UNKNOWN]: People would have bought, brought personal items in.
03:13:53 --> 03:13:56 [UNKNOWN]: How did that intersect with the forgetting drugs, et cetera?
03:13:56 --> 03:13:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do hope that we,
03:13:59 --> 03:14:05 [UNKNOWN]: have some idea next season of what, you know, Helen's relics and how they got into this film.
03:14:06 --> 03:14:19 [UNKNOWN]: And also, I would like to see more generally maybe an episode that dealt with the immediate aftermath of the bomb going off and sort of the very early days of the project.
03:14:20 --> 03:14:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do, I wonder if they will do that.
03:14:22 --> 03:14:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say in the book, a you get Troy waking up, and then it's more like he has some memories of it happening.
03:14:29 --> 03:14:34 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe we get flashbacks of him starting to get memories of it happening.
03:14:35 --> 03:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do we think about the light bulbs?
03:14:38 --> 03:14:39 [UNKNOWN]: I still think we haven't answered that question.
03:14:39 --> 03:14:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, where are the light bulbs?
03:14:42 --> 03:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: 48 years of light bulbs.
03:14:44 --> 03:14:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I still think we haven't.
03:14:47 --> 03:14:52 [UNKNOWN]: I still think they made sure to sneak in a little bit of edgar with this episode.
03:14:53 --> 03:14:55 [UNKNOWN]: And I think he's still, we don't, still haven't figured I would as up to.
03:14:56 --> 03:14:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he still should, he still should think on the light bulbs.
03:15:00 --> 03:15:01 [UNKNOWN]: Give us the light bulbs, Ed.
03:15:06 --> 03:15:14 [UNKNOWN]: Steven Mayton said by email, hello, Alicia and Luke first, love you, show thank you, thank you for the time and effort, thank you for the time and effort to write him.
03:15:15 --> 03:15:22 [UNKNOWN]: Now, the reason for my message, I think I know why the probably not AI refuses to engage the failsafe in silo 18.
03:15:23 --> 03:15:26 [UNKNOWN]: I think 18 is the last silo left with survivors.
03:15:27 --> 03:15:34 [UNKNOWN]: Either through rebellion or poor management, leading to lack of resources, the survivors of all the other silos have perished.
03:15:34 --> 03:15:52 [UNKNOWN]: This is why the instructions from the algorithm aren't making sense, whoever is running it is forced to be overly cautious because if they lose that silo, there's no one left, but whoever is in silo one, and silo one might have a much smaller population because of all the infrastructure this must contain.
03:15:53 --> 03:15:53 [UNKNOWN]: then it must contain.
03:15:53 --> 03:15:54 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm pause there.
03:15:55 --> 03:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: I know say I guess we got this debunked this episode just because like they didn't want to shut down the whole center, which implies other sellers are alive in it, but I like where your brains go in them.
03:16:08 --> 03:16:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think you at least partially right Steve and I think in the end we're going to find out that there are only a few silos
03:16:23 --> 03:16:44 [UNKNOWN]: um Steven says my big question what is killing people when they go outside now that we know the disaster was nuclear not a virus or chemical weapon it seems like there has to be something else going on after 300 something years it seems possible that the outside is still too radioactive to allow long-term survival but so toxic people died in less than a few minutes
03:16:44 --> 03:16:49 [UNKNOWN]: Also, why wouldn't Lucas have died when his suit was punctured?
03:16:50 --> 03:16:53 [UNKNOWN]: Could it be nanobots that are really sneaking into that suit?
03:16:53 --> 03:16:56 [UNKNOWN]: Nanobots would say 500-year batteries?
03:16:57 --> 03:17:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm still not sure why this would spare Lucas though, unless maybe sensors on the nanos didn't attack him because they realized he was already injured.
03:17:05 --> 03:17:07 [UNKNOWN]: That seems like a stretch though.
03:17:07 --> 03:17:08 [UNKNOWN]: I'd love to hear what you two think.
03:17:09 --> 03:17:11 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for reading my mail and the best of both of you.
03:17:11 --> 03:17:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so, okay, I will be withholding response, but I want to hear you guys.
03:17:17 --> 03:17:31 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, yeah, I really don't know what's going on, because this episode, like I said earlier on, make Mondays that particular water even more, because the people that left Silo 17 seem to be perfect.
03:17:31 --> 03:17:33 [UNKNOWN]: We happy outside until the drones turned up.
03:17:35 --> 03:17:38 [UNKNOWN]: But on the other hand, everybody we've seen from Silo 18 to go outside.
03:17:42 --> 03:17:49 [UNKNOWN]: Well, and apart from Lucas and Patrick Kennedy as well, um, where do you think about the nanos?
03:17:49 --> 03:17:53 [UNKNOWN]: It could be the nanos, but why would they not do what?
03:17:53 --> 03:17:58 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, he's like repairing, repairing Lucas, I guess, but why?
03:17:59 --> 03:18:00 [UNKNOWN]: And why would they only be doing that over
03:18:04 --> 03:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, I don't know.
03:18:06 --> 03:18:16 [UNKNOWN]: I like I also agree with you point that if it's three hundred if it really is three hundred years You would have expected even because we only saw a single nuclear weapon go off.
03:18:17 --> 03:18:28 [UNKNOWN]: So I I I mean it's possible, but it's it's It's possible, but it's far from certain that the the atmosphere would still be
03:18:34 --> 03:18:41 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it would still not, it would still be, it would still be, it would still have knock on effect.
03:18:42 --> 03:18:57 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think it would be as rapidly, it wouldn't, no, it wouldn't, I don't think it would be lethal, full stop, and certainly I don't think it would be lethal to the extent that we see holster and the malice and die within minutes, and by now I die within minutes,
03:19:02 --> 03:19:05 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's on the right way to be as a result of radiation, frankly.
03:19:06 --> 03:19:07 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
03:19:08 --> 03:19:10 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, I'll bite my tongue.
03:19:11 --> 03:19:13 [UNKNOWN]: Um, oh, I know something.
03:19:14 --> 03:19:16 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, yeah, I do know what's going on outside.
03:19:17 --> 03:19:21 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I hate it when she does this.
03:19:22 --> 03:19:24 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm sorry.
03:19:24 --> 03:19:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's fine, it's fine.
03:19:26 --> 03:19:27 [UNKNOWN]: We'll get them together.
03:19:29 --> 03:19:34 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so our final piece of feedback is from Chris Kendall on Blue Sky.
03:19:35 --> 03:19:52 [UNKNOWN]: Alicia Luke Silope, not a book reader here, was surprised by the nuke, was expecting nanotech apocalypse and still kind of do poisoned atmosphere outside silo hasn't been analyzed and to me suggests more than nuclear fallout still need a reason for 500 years silo,
03:19:59 --> 03:20:00 [UNKNOWN]: that's okay.
03:20:00 --> 03:20:07 [UNKNOWN]: A good place to launch into season four, except we are going to have our feedback episode.
03:20:07 --> 03:20:12 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we're going to be sharing our final thoughts in the season.
03:20:12 --> 03:20:15 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to be talking through all of your final thoughts in the season.
03:20:16 --> 03:20:16 [UNKNOWN]: So
03:20:16 --> 03:20:22 [UNKNOWN]: Please send any feedback you have to woolshift us podcast at gmail.com.
03:20:22 --> 03:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: You'll find that linked in the show notes.
03:20:24 --> 03:20:30 [UNKNOWN]: Book spoilers are okay, but then those elements will be discussed in the book club episodes.
03:20:32 --> 03:20:34 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, what questions we want to throw out them?
03:20:35 --> 03:20:39 [UNKNOWN]: I guess my first question is, who do you think is the biggest villain of this season?
03:20:39 --> 03:20:41 [UNKNOWN]: Who's your villain of this season?
03:20:41 --> 03:20:41 [UNKNOWN]: Victor.
03:20:42 --> 03:20:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:20:44 --> 03:20:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because persistence might have been the guy with the whole had the idea, but it was thick to the operationalized it was thick to the made it workable.
03:20:54 --> 03:20:55 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
03:20:56 --> 03:21:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm going to bite my tongue on this one, but I'm curious what people think.
03:21:00 --> 03:21:03 [UNKNOWN]: And you can share your books where they're thoughts on this too and all of those in the book.
03:21:03 --> 03:21:05 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, what else?
03:21:05 --> 03:21:08 [UNKNOWN]: What are the questions do we want from people to wrap up?
03:21:08 --> 03:21:08 [UNKNOWN]: I see.
03:21:09 --> 03:21:09 [UNKNOWN]: I want to know.
03:21:10 --> 03:21:10 [UNKNOWN]: I want to know.
03:21:11 --> 03:21:21 [UNKNOWN]: I want to know what to people think about what what to people think is going to be like the final outcome of the season.
03:21:21 --> 03:21:25 [UNKNOWN]: I want to get people in, sorry, the final outcome of the series.
03:21:25 --> 03:21:28 [UNKNOWN]: I want to get people into the 10-4-year-hat business.
03:21:28 --> 03:21:35 [UNKNOWN]: So how do we get from where we are, how do we get from where we are at the end of episode 10 and season 3 to the end of episode 10 and season 4?
03:21:36 --> 03:21:38 [UNKNOWN]: Like, and where is the end of episode 10?
03:21:38 --> 03:21:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
03:21:39 --> 03:21:41 [UNKNOWN]: Like, what, and let me put it this way.
03:21:41 --> 03:21:45 [UNKNOWN]: What is your final shot of Sino?
03:21:47 --> 03:21:48 [UNKNOWN]: and why doesn't involve you to call.
03:21:48 --> 03:21:50 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, why does it involve unicorns?
03:21:51 --> 03:21:57 [UNKNOWN]: If we said before, if people have got any technical expertise on this, I'd really like to know more about the cryogenics.
03:21:58 --> 03:22:02 [UNKNOWN]: So I do this because I really don't know anything about cryogenics.
03:22:03 --> 03:22:12 [UNKNOWN]: And I'd really be interested as to what it does to what it does, what it might do to the human body, and what it might do somebody like psychologically.
03:22:13 --> 03:22:20 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I would really like to know where the people think how in this life, I would like to know.
03:22:21 --> 03:22:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'd like to know what people think Troy and Susan have been told to get them to go along with this.
03:22:31 --> 03:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I mean, they've been brainwashed.
03:22:33 --> 03:22:37 [UNKNOWN]: They have been brainwashed, but like how have they been brainwashed?
03:22:42 --> 03:22:55 [UNKNOWN]: is, you know, to press as you memory, but it looks like certainly in the case of Troy, it looks like large parts of this person now, I think it's been rewritten, because like Daniel keen would not go along with any of this.
03:22:57 --> 03:23:01 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, so I particularly want to know what you think is going on with Daniel's such Troy.
03:23:02 --> 03:23:06 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay, and if you have any last silo noore castings now.
03:23:06 --> 03:23:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, if you've got them, if you've got them to know it or maybe another genre, what if silo were an 80s sex comedy?
03:23:23 --> 03:23:28 [UNKNOWN]: And the Nardis is that principal who's just always getting on their backs.
03:23:28 --> 03:23:30 [UNKNOWN]: I love that's where your brain wins.
03:23:30 --> 03:23:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
03:23:31 --> 03:23:33 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, what is the weirdest thing I've ever had?
03:23:33 --> 03:23:35 [UNKNOWN]: The most incongruous thing.
03:23:35 --> 03:23:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
03:23:36 --> 03:23:38 [UNKNOWN]: So I was written and directed by John Hughes.
03:23:39 --> 03:23:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there we go.
03:23:40 --> 03:23:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:23:42 --> 03:23:45 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, Molly Ringwell's Julia next.
03:23:45 --> 03:23:46 [UNKNOWN]: Or Ali Shidi.
03:23:46 --> 03:23:47 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, right in.
03:23:47 --> 03:23:49 [UNKNOWN]: Or Ali Shidi is sure.
03:23:50 --> 03:23:59 [UNKNOWN]: All right, you can discuss all of this as well on the discord, very lively discussion going on there with chats for each episode.
03:23:59 --> 03:24:14 [UNKNOWN]: There's a link with the discord invite in the show notes, separate spoiler chats per episode plus separate book chat for spoiler book discussions and yeah, we do have our mail bag coming up as I said.
03:24:14 --> 03:24:17 [UNKNOWN]: I am working on a bonus interview for the season.
03:24:21 --> 03:24:31 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, we will be going back to our Dune Deep dive and in January, we will be doing full coverage like this of Neuromencer on Apple TV.
03:24:31 --> 03:24:39 [UNKNOWN]: So if you like the sci-fi mystery techno are stuff, we hope we'll see you there.
03:24:39 --> 03:24:45 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and between Dune and Neuromencer, we will also be doing Christmas special.
03:24:46 --> 03:25:12 [UNKNOWN]: uh... of course doing yet more adaptations of a christmas caro including i like deeply fear that's the new journey to have an easy uh... we don't have to say nice things about them see prayer prayer i mean yeah so basically this is a service that look and i doing for the people a large we are watching all of the adaptation so that you don't have to and we're telling you which ones are good but we are also
03:25:17 --> 03:25:23 [UNKNOWN]: Unless you have been in cryogenic sleep for the last 100 years, you do know the story.
03:25:24 --> 03:25:29 [UNKNOWN]: But if you don't want to know which one has an idiom mean jump scare in the name of it then.
03:25:32 --> 03:25:59 [UNKNOWN]: my favorite from last year actually just saying okay can you tell this has been going on the wild we saw to go look at you okay well we'll release our hostages from from listening to us um yeah i will say if you want all of this whether you talk these dives i've teased the book club a few times uh that's where abbey and i have done full breakdowns of the books and the prior episodes lore deep dives for each episode um
03:26:00 --> 03:26:16 [UNKNOWN]: and this week's special lore topic is going to be the cold sleep or cryogenics and there will also be an additional spoil wrap spoiler wrap and final feedback episode for that as well so do keep sending in your spoilerary feedback.
03:26:17 --> 03:26:22 [UNKNOWN]: If you're interested in that, then you can sign up for the book club through Supercast or Patreon.
03:26:22 --> 03:26:27 [UNKNOWN]: You'll find both linked in the show notes, which one works best for you, the same feed for both.
03:26:28 --> 03:26:32 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you to our new silesons, Rosemary S. Sabercat, Yale H.
03:26:33 --> 03:26:38 [UNKNOWN]: Rand B. Christie R. Melissa B. and welcome back to a couple prior subscribers.
03:26:38 --> 03:26:51 [UNKNOWN]: It means so much and thank you to those of you I've already heard from a love to hear from the rest of you as we keep discussing silo and do an enero mancer and everything else along the way.
03:26:52 --> 03:27:01 [UNKNOWN]: I am trying to expand and focus more on this podcasting stuff and so the more of you who are able to support in that way.
03:27:02 --> 03:27:09 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously it's not going to be for everyone but those of you who are able to support the more podcasting Luke and I will be able to do in the future.
03:27:09 --> 03:27:09 [UNKNOWN]: So
03:27:11 --> 03:27:12 [UNKNOWN]: So much appreciated.
03:27:12 --> 03:27:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, rather rather rather like Daniel, we find it rather difficult to ask for money.
03:27:17 --> 03:27:19 [UNKNOWN]: So please, please give it to us.
03:27:20 --> 03:27:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is our co-cooling, yeah.
03:27:28 --> 03:27:48 [UNKNOWN]: We need Chris to give us more pointers, but if you don't want the regular monthly subscription, you can also just do a one-time season pass option where you just choose access to the season or seasons of your choice for one-time fee, you'll see those options also linked in the show notes separately.
03:27:49 --> 03:27:52 [UNKNOWN]: Plus, links to our social media.
03:27:52 --> 03:27:53 [UNKNOWN]: We're both on Blue Sky.
03:27:54 --> 03:27:59 [UNKNOWN]: I'm also trying to be more present on threads, convince me that threads is a cool thing to stand around.
03:28:00 --> 03:28:03 [UNKNOWN]: It is, I mean, there's a lot of lively discussion, but it's always like different people.
03:28:03 --> 03:28:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's not, I don't see the very same regular people there, you know what I mean?
03:28:06 --> 03:28:07 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
03:28:08 --> 03:28:11 [UNKNOWN]: And we're also busy in other podcasts.
03:28:11 --> 03:28:13 [UNKNOWN]: Luke, tell us about it could be said.
03:28:14 --> 03:28:20 [UNKNOWN]: OK, so it could be said is myself and two friends from uni will cooling and Simon Alvie.
03:28:21 --> 03:28:28 [UNKNOWN]: We talk about all things UK politics, all things international politics, sport, culture, and whatever else.
03:28:29 --> 03:28:31 [UNKNOWN]: We feel like talking about it's been a while since we've
03:28:36 --> 03:28:38 [UNKNOWN]: once monthly.
03:28:38 --> 03:28:42 [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's been more like five weeks.
03:28:42 --> 03:28:45 [UNKNOWN]: The idea is we will record this weekend.
03:28:45 --> 03:28:49 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what we're talking about because we haven't had the production meeting yet.
03:28:53 --> 03:29:01 [UNKNOWN]: And you'll also find me on the Lower Hounds where I'm not part of the weekly lanterns coverage, but I do recommend you check it out.
03:29:01 --> 03:29:11 [UNKNOWN]: Jean knows a lot about the comics, and David's especially a fan of the genre, and having lots of interesting conversations also about the way Black identity plays an important role in this show.
03:29:13 --> 03:29:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a great show, definitely recommend people watch lanterns.
03:29:15 --> 03:29:23 [UNKNOWN]: You can also catch up on Jean and Mai's Spider-Man brand new day coverage there, X-Men 97, season 2 is coming out right after this.
03:29:24 --> 03:29:35 [UNKNOWN]: And there's also going to be an into the west look back from Dally Parton and Tim Curry from David Lisa and Brian, so watch out for that as well.
03:29:35 --> 03:29:40 [UNKNOWN]: you'll find the link to the lorhounds in the show notes and also on the lorhounds website.
03:29:40 --> 03:29:55 [UNKNOWN]: You'll find all the other affiliates in the network, including Dungeons & Doorags, also covering lanterns, nevermind the music for psychology meets music and Cosmere Corner, which is diving into the brand in Santers and Versailles.
03:29:55 --> 03:29:56 [UNKNOWN]: I'm into it.
03:29:56 --> 03:29:59 [UNKNOWN]: I'm into finally getting into the Cosmere
03:30:02 --> 03:30:06 [UNKNOWN]: very crunchy fantasy, like sci-fi fantasy world kind of in a way.
03:30:06 --> 03:30:09 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm enjoying following along with that.
03:30:10 --> 03:30:20 [UNKNOWN]: And, of course, since it's been called out before, thank you, Chris, I do also have my Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast, which I'm so sorry it's been a while since I put out a public episode.
03:30:20 --> 03:30:28 [UNKNOWN]: I've been doing more just subscriber episodes for that one for now, but I do promise it is getting more focus in the future.
03:30:28 --> 03:30:33 [UNKNOWN]: I have a plan because that is that in here is where my heart really lies, right?
03:30:33 --> 03:30:33 [UNKNOWN]: So,
03:30:35 --> 03:30:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:30:36 --> 03:30:36 [UNKNOWN]: My cat's a great.
03:30:38 --> 03:30:39 [UNKNOWN]: Any final thoughts from you Luke?
03:30:39 --> 03:30:43 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, no, once again, once again, you have drained.
03:30:43 --> 03:30:46 [UNKNOWN]: I'm rather like Troy at the end of the shift.
03:30:46 --> 03:30:49 [UNKNOWN]: I am drained and I need to go back into my group.
03:30:49 --> 03:30:51 [UNKNOWN]: I need to go recover and go back into my group.
03:30:51 --> 03:30:53 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
03:30:53 --> 03:30:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, here is a thermal flush just don't don't worry.
03:30:58 --> 03:30:58 [UNKNOWN]: You're barely
03:31:01 --> 03:31:08 [UNKNOWN]: Swallow these pills and you'll forget about it anyway and see you all for the season wrap bye