Silo season 3, episode 7 ("Radio") turns up the pace in both past and present, and Elysia and Luke are back to make sure that you haven't missed any of the details – or their often chilling implications. Tune in for talk running the gamut from forgetting to footsies, billionaires to the Billingses. (Not to mention one Gloria-ous return with a Mission book dive.)
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00:29 --> 00:38 [UNKNOWN]: Break, break, come in, Alicia from the Walshift Dust Podcast here to talk all things radio episode 7 of Season 3 of Silo and Apple TV, over.
00:40 --> 00:52 [UNKNOWN]: Roger that, this is Luke, I have eyes on all of you characters this week, that's a code yellow on plot development, over.
00:56 --> 01:06 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome back, silessons and other friends, our weekly silo season coverage continues with season 3 episode 7 radio where the story is heating up in both the past and present.
01:06 --> 01:10 [UNKNOWN]: Before we begin Luke, what's the full version of our spoiler policy for this podcast?
01:11 --> 01:19 [UNKNOWN]: So the discussion will be spoiler free beyond what's already aired, so that means spoilers through Season 3 episode 7.
01:19 --> 01:28 [UNKNOWN]: So we're free to talk about anything that happened on screen or in the books in Season 1 or 2 or the first 7 episodes of Season 3.
01:29 --> 01:40 [UNKNOWN]: um, Alicia's read the books, but I'm keeping it show only, uh, but to protect my and your spoiler innocence, there will be no future books spoilers with one exception.
01:40 --> 01:47 [UNKNOWN]: We are allowed to discuss the new in-show universe booklets, the mystery of the pairs by Robert Sims.
01:47 --> 01:54 [UNKNOWN]: Let's see our separate bonus episode breakdown of that surprise Apple books short story drop from last week.
01:55 --> 02:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so that one, we got some more of what's in it addressed, actually.
02:02 --> 02:16 [UNKNOWN]: So really, the only thing that's from that booklet that we haven't seen yet is the Sonogram, the Mysterious Sonogram somewhere out there, some knowledge of the Wilkins family, George, it's family.
02:16 --> 02:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, but and and the spoilers link to that are show universe only involving characters that do not exist in the book.
02:26 --> 02:34 [UNKNOWN]: So and this show of course always leaves a lot of room for speculation for even book readers like me so I promise all speculation is genuine
02:34 --> 02:57 [UNKNOWN]: and I won't say anything that I can't, but if you do want the full spoiler discussion and deep dives into the book version of the story and our suppositions about where the TV show is going based on the book version of the story, then we have a separate book club podcast that I do with fellow reader Abby stick around until the end of the episode to hear more about that.
02:59 --> 03:06 [UNKNOWN]: And also, yeah, check out our feedback episode that we released earlier this week with community discussion through episode six of this season.
03:06 --> 03:09 [UNKNOWN]: So, would we talk about Luke?
03:10 --> 03:17 [UNKNOWN]: a light bulb theft, wrong answers, uh, more than half oil theories, obviously.
03:17 --> 03:22 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, nox's dad questions of governance, memory, etc.
03:22 --> 03:27 [UNKNOWN]: And speaking of feedback, I got a message from Chris Kendall on Blue Sky.
03:28 --> 03:31 [UNKNOWN]: We talked about the correct evidence in the episode six episode.
03:32 --> 03:34 [UNKNOWN]: We talked about the correct pronunciation of Anthony.
03:35 --> 03:46 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and Chris point Chris points out that if we're doing English pronunciations, it's Bernard rather than Bernard, but he's not English so, but he's not English so it is in fact Bernard.
03:47 --> 03:53 [UNKNOWN]: He also taught me that what Americans say as Craig is what, how do you say it's in British?
03:53 --> 03:53 [UNKNOWN]: Craig.
03:54 --> 03:55 [UNKNOWN]: Craig.
03:55 --> 03:56 [UNKNOWN]: Craig.
03:57 --> 04:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I said that, yeah, I'm not taking Brits seriously when they tell me to say,
04:12 --> 04:20 [UNKNOWN]: but okay on to this episode radio season three episode seven fifty five minutes a new longest every week we've been getting like one minute longer
04:22 --> 04:23 [UNKNOWN]: get up to an hour by the finale.
04:23 --> 04:24 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe we'll see.
04:24 --> 04:34 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't looked for this episode was released Friday August 14th, 2026 on Apple TV and we are a bit late on the recording this week.
04:35 --> 04:36 [UNKNOWN]: My fault deadlines.
04:36 --> 04:40 [UNKNOWN]: So it's actually already been released and out in the public now.
04:40 --> 04:43 [UNKNOWN]: So it sounds like other people like it too.
04:43 --> 04:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yay!
04:46 --> 04:53 [UNKNOWN]: As the director, we have Eric Avillino back for his last episode of the season, we've talked about him a lot before.
04:54 --> 05:03 [UNKNOWN]: And on the writing side, we have Remi Ogushon, who's also credited for season one episode for the truth, and season two episode eight, the book of Quinn.
05:04 --> 05:09 [UNKNOWN]: So it seems he's kind of the expert on the prior rebellion stuff.
05:10 --> 05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, it looks like it.
05:11 --> 05:13 [UNKNOWN]: This seems to be picking those episodes.
05:13 --> 05:18 [UNKNOWN]: I already mentioned this way back in our season one coverage.
05:18 --> 05:20 [UNKNOWN]: I've people want to go and listen to that.
05:20 --> 05:22 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's either episode one or two.
05:23 --> 05:25 [UNKNOWN]: But Remy, we did a song together.
05:26 --> 05:27 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
05:27 --> 05:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think it will probably be the first episode we did then.
05:29 --> 05:37 [UNKNOWN]: But Remy over bush on is responsible for two of my favorite pieces of TV sci-fi.
05:38 --> 05:46 [UNKNOWN]: from the early 2000s, which is the Battlestar Galactica following series Capricot.
05:48 --> 06:05 [UNKNOWN]: which unfortunately only lasted this season and another show called Falling Skies which has no a wily from the pit as the lead and it also has well-painted deputy mounds as one of the characters.
06:06 --> 06:09 [UNKNOWN]: That lasted three seasons, the first two seasons,
06:10 --> 06:13 [UNKNOWN]: were really good the third season.
06:13 --> 06:19 [UNKNOWN]: It got messed around budget wise, so it was very much are you walking around that same gravel pit again?
06:19 --> 06:25 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, Remy over Vaishan was producer and writer on both of those.
06:26 --> 06:30 [UNKNOWN]: And although both of them got cancelled before their time, they're well worth.
06:31 --> 06:31 [UNKNOWN]: I think
06:32 --> 06:39 [UNKNOWN]: Falling Skies, in particular, I've kept recovery because only Glaster, the season finishes on a really bum note.
06:40 --> 06:44 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, Falling Skies is definitely worth looking up.
06:44 --> 06:52 [UNKNOWN]: It was on TNT originally, so I don't know what screaming platform it would be on.
06:53 --> 07:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've seen Caprica because, you know, I've watched all the better Star Galactic stuff, but I have not watched Falling Skies, so we'll have to look at it.
07:03 --> 07:04 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think of Caprica?
07:06 --> 07:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to remember like I think I was I was definitely disappointed when it was canceled Yeah, I think I thought that it was like because it was also you know the battle star galactic I got a little bit It had a lot of kind of a little bit loosey or grousey or by the end of the series It's tightest writing was definitely and it's like first season or two Yeah, it was very much we need to wrap up these lines of plot and we're not quite sure how to do it
07:37 --> 07:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, but I liked it, I liked it, and I'm definitely, I'm gonna look up, I've opened following skies, I'm gonna look it up later, where I can watch it.
07:47 --> 07:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like I said, the first two seasons are very good, the third season, the plot starts writing checks, the budget can't really cash, it's quality definitely declines.
07:57 --> 08:00 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay, but it doesn't have a good ending.
08:01 --> 08:04 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have a solid ending, yeah.
08:04 --> 08:07 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it does have a solid ending.
08:07 --> 08:10 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a will-potten, you plug everything on.
08:10 --> 08:13 [UNKNOWN]: This is very, very good in it, even though it's a sports road.
08:14 --> 08:14 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
08:15 --> 08:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
08:15 --> 08:25 [UNKNOWN]: But of course we're here today to talk about silo, the series, the Apple TV series based on the series of books by Hugh Howie, the main trilogy being wool, shift, and dust.
08:25 --> 08:40 [UNKNOWN]: And the plot of this episode is Juliette Sens, Lucas and Kennedy on a mission, as a desperate commute, retains Robert to tell the truth more than 350 years before that the before times league assembles for a plane ride to the center of the secrets.
08:41 --> 08:45 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so Luke, what did you think about this episode overall?
08:45 --> 08:58 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, there is so much going on in this episode, uh, so we find out a lot about the rebel, you know, 140 years before, and the frankly eerie parallels with what Julie
09:11 --> 09:17 [UNKNOWN]: We don't really, like, in episode six, you know, it's slightly NBA's and save the world.
09:17 --> 09:25 [UNKNOWN]: In this episode, we don't really know that much more about how we're saving the world, but we do know more about the characters.
09:25 --> 09:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's lined up for the next episode for sure.
09:28 --> 09:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I just get to the point some of the things can we start playing with literal and metaphorical footsy here and get to the point.
09:41 --> 09:47 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm 100% certain that that's what episode 8 is, but I for one absolutely love this episode.
09:47 --> 09:53 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought that the silo, yeah, it was a lot of like different various characters playing footsie on the plane.
09:54 --> 09:55 [UNKNOWN]: I personally love that.
09:55 --> 10:06 [UNKNOWN]: I love when, you know, people get a chance for just to talk about things and they're very interesting things that came up.
10:08 --> 10:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I, I'll say that I think as much as I enjoyed the before times plot, a silo 18 had all the tension for me like first of all to paraphrase.
10:19 --> 10:19 [UNKNOWN]: Cavalry.
10:19 --> 10:20 [UNKNOWN]: Gloria, Gloria!
10:20 --> 10:34 [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
10:35 --> 10:36 [UNKNOWN]: I think I can do this for me.
10:37 --> 10:39 [UNKNOWN]: I just predict where the plot needs to go.
10:39 --> 10:45 [UNKNOWN]: I see we're good writing would take things and they must be setting up this Gloria thing for a reason.
10:45 --> 10:46 [UNKNOWN]: So here she is.
10:46 --> 10:47 [UNKNOWN]: She's finally back plus.
10:48 --> 10:53 [UNKNOWN]: We got a mission mentioned that character I keep bringing up from the rebellion 140 years ago.
10:54 --> 10:59 [UNKNOWN]: And we also got updates on Amy and Jerry one is doing a lot better than the other.
11:00 --> 11:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so I'm choosing my next missing person.
11:03 --> 11:07 [UNKNOWN]: I'm putting out the report from the audience college.
11:09 --> 11:11 [UNKNOWN]: That's the last thing about the APPB.
11:11 --> 11:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, APB on Lucas's mom because first of all, we're obviously going to talk a lot about what's.
11:21 --> 11:38 [UNKNOWN]: possibly happened with Lucas why he wasn't the one who reported back in on the radio at the end of this but um Lucas's mom probably doesn't even know her baby left the silo i'm sure why would change yeah she didn't know he's alive actually we don't know that
11:40 --> 11:55 [UNKNOWN]: Because all we heard is that when they were looking for Lucas, the outsiders or Kathleen or someone, I can't remember exactly who said it or Sandy maybe, said that they asked his mom and she was like, I haven't seen him since.
11:56 --> 12:00 [UNKNOWN]: you know, that whole incident with Robert pulling a gun on them at the end of the season.
12:01 --> 12:06 [UNKNOWN]: That could be a lie that she just tells to strangers because why would she tell them if she has a point.
12:08 --> 12:10 [UNKNOWN]: But I just wonder where she is.
12:10 --> 12:12 [UNKNOWN]: She's got to be worried about her son.
12:12 --> 12:14 [UNKNOWN]: It reminds me a bit of in the book plot.
12:14 --> 12:20 [UNKNOWN]: In the first book, when Lucas becomes the shadow to the head of IT, he
12:20 --> 12:45 [UNKNOWN]: unlike in the show in the show he's allowed to like walk around and investigate stuff in the book he's just locked in the vault like read learn go nowhere in the rebellion was also reaching outside so he's yeah he he doesn't even get to see his mom or update his mom for the longest time until she's like brought to come see him at the door one i don't know so just i'm thinking about Lucas's mom in that regard
12:46 --> 13:00 [UNKNOWN]: Before we get into the episode breakdown, our Daredevil podcast partner Jean is going to hate me saying this and I expect to get all kinds of roasted in the discord from him saying this But do I like Robert Sims?
13:00 --> 13:02 [UNKNOWN]: Am I starting to like Robert Sims?
13:03 --> 13:05 [UNKNOWN]: You see your room, dump shit out.
13:07 --> 13:10 [UNKNOWN]: I've always, well, I mean, that's, yeah, it's not fair.
13:10 --> 13:11 [UNKNOWN]: I can't really come in further.
13:12 --> 13:21 [UNKNOWN]: But I, um, I think that we see here, like, it's definitely he and Camille have swapped places in a lot of ways, perhaps in their son's eyes.
13:22 --> 13:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
13:24 --> 13:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like, she's the, she's the badass.
13:26 --> 13:30 [UNKNOWN]: Mommy says, and he's like, Daddy says, let Anthony decide.
13:31 --> 13:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
13:33 --> 13:34 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
13:34 --> 13:38 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and we have some important news from the real world as well.
13:38 --> 13:40 [UNKNOWN]: Speaking of couples, we learned a thing.
13:40 --> 13:41 [UNKNOWN]: What did we learn?
13:42 --> 13:46 [UNKNOWN]: That Paul and Kathleen Billings are actually married.
13:46 --> 13:51 [UNKNOWN]: So, as Chazoo and Katelyn Zos are not just a couple.
13:51 --> 13:53 [UNKNOWN]: They are not just married.
13:53 --> 13:56 [UNKNOWN]: They were apparently high school sweetouts.
13:57 --> 13:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
13:57 --> 14:03 [UNKNOWN]: So it just goes to show you that when Luke and I are looking into the silo stuff, we're not looking into private lives.
14:03 --> 14:07 [UNKNOWN]: That's not really what we're doing.
14:08 --> 14:11 [UNKNOWN]: But I just saw it on Reddit.
14:11 --> 14:14 [UNKNOWN]: Someone was saying something about like, did you know they're married in real life?
14:14 --> 14:15 [UNKNOWN]: And I was like, no.
14:17 --> 14:30 [UNKNOWN]: And I looked it up and I even found an old podcast that they did like seven years ago or something and they're talking about Yeah, Chinazoo, which I was talking about a new Apple show coming up.
14:30 --> 14:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, it's gonna be silo, but no, he was talking about Dickinson.
14:32 --> 14:41 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, yeah, well, it's seven years ago So yeah, do we know whether this is the first time they've acted on screen together?
14:42 --> 14:48 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I didn't hear them, not, I mean, in a significant way, I think.
14:48 --> 14:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
14:50 --> 14:56 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I didn't hear them like bring up something else that they had done, maybe, you know, a student film in school or something.
14:56 --> 15:09 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but as far as I know, if anyone knows any differently, please tell us, because yeah, like I said, we're not into the private lives of the actors per se, but this is really fun to know.
15:12 --> 15:21 [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't, I also, no, we're not going to know this, but I wonder whether they auditioned together, like, or whether they auditioned separately, and both got the part.
15:23 --> 15:23 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
15:23 --> 15:31 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, could see apparently he presumably already had like some sort of ongoing relationship with Apple.
15:31 --> 15:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
15:32 --> 15:34 [UNKNOWN]: Because he did Dickinson, for example.
15:34 --> 15:40 [UNKNOWN]: So presumably he was first in the door, but maybe they're like, oh, we need to cast a wife for you.
15:41 --> 15:44 [UNKNOWN]: And he was like, you know, I happen to have a wife.
15:44 --> 15:48 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I know somebody would be perfect for that role.
15:49 --> 15:50 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's great.
15:50 --> 15:50 [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
15:52 --> 15:54 [UNKNOWN]: All right, shall we get into the episode itself?
15:54 --> 15:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's.
15:56 --> 16:01 [UNKNOWN]: Your regularly scheduled breakdown will begin in three, two, one.
16:03 --> 16:10 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so it's a tangled web of bots woven this week, but we're going to try to unwind them one threaded a time.
16:10 --> 16:13 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll we'll navigate this together.
16:13 --> 16:18 [UNKNOWN]: And we're going to start with the before times this week with a private
16:20 --> 16:35 [UNKNOWN]: Picking up from Episode 6 is Cliff Hanger, Senator Thurman, Laura Innes, and her fixer Henry, Reed Bernie, lead congressman Daniel Keene, Ashley Zuckerman, and journalist Helen Drew, Jessica Hennwick, I'm going to keep being that one person's nightmare sorry, into the private plane hanger.
16:36 --> 16:48 [UNKNOWN]: They find Daniel Sister Charlotte, Jessica Brown, Finlay there, waiting for them with her Dr. Victor Sernkovich, Matt Craven, real-ass name Sernkovich, and the Senator's daughter Anna Thurman, Marvin Christie.
16:48 --> 16:54 [UNKNOWN]: But they can't tell Daniel and Helen anything until they sign some non-disclosure agreements.
16:54 --> 17:04 [UNKNOWN]: In strolls tech giant and owner of the Stenson Memory Clinic pair Stenson, Colin Hanks, telling them the threat for violating these NDAs is Gitmo.
17:05 --> 17:14 [UNKNOWN]: But, if they do sign, they will learn the world's most important secret and will throw in a hundred k to sweeten the deal, find a million each.
17:17 --> 17:25 [UNKNOWN]: What, what did you think about this, I mean, okay, so for calling the silo 18 or it's the silo ventures, is this like the before times league?
17:26 --> 17:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, this is the, this is the, this is the league, this is like the world, yeah.
17:32 --> 17:40 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about this first gathering of the before times league and the long-awaited introduction of pair stenson?
17:40 --> 17:42 [UNKNOWN]: I think I'm going to like pair stenson.
17:42 --> 17:45 [UNKNOWN]: I like the way Colin Hanks is playing it.
17:45 --> 17:49 [UNKNOWN]: And in the show notes, you've got what I consider to be the best line of the episode.
17:49 --> 17:50 [UNKNOWN]: I'm pair stenson.
17:50 --> 17:51 [UNKNOWN]: We know who you are.
17:51 --> 17:53 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I know you know, I'm just being polite.
17:53 --> 17:55 [UNKNOWN]: My social team says I need to do those.
17:56 --> 17:57 [UNKNOWN]: It's a social team.
17:58 --> 18:00 [UNKNOWN]: Is he talking about a social mediating
18:01 --> 18:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or is he actually talking about, or is he actually talking about a team of people to help him being more pleasant to what people in real life as well?
18:12 --> 18:14 [UNKNOWN]: What mean it is PR team which would do both?
18:20 --> 18:45 [UNKNOWN]: but yeah I was also he he comes in waving around money and it's like Helen she states like I have 700 in my bank account and my media thought of like rich bitch so he's like a hundred k and then I was like each and then he's like all fine a million each and like well I mean you had me at learning the most important secret in the world for freezes but I will take that
18:48 --> 18:54 [UNKNOWN]: and sign, and here would you have to say, it doesn't mean I'm committing to do something, I'm just hearing what you have to say.
18:55 --> 18:59 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess promising to keep a secret with threat of Gitmo.
18:59 --> 19:05 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to explain what Gitmo is to those who don't know or as actual fucking Guantanamo?
19:14 --> 19:35 [UNKNOWN]: buy Cuba to the United States on Cuban independence, because the United States intervened in the given war of independence to help the Cubans defeat the Spanish, but then they also basically forced the new Cuban government to see them all kinds of goodies, not just
19:40 --> 19:43 [UNKNOWN]: that last until the Cuban Revolution of 1959.
19:43 --> 20:05 [UNKNOWN]: So one time I'm about to say remains under US control to this day, but obviously after 9-11 it's turned into a prison for our kindness suspects and other people that the Bush administration doesn't want entering the regular court system because
20:06 --> 20:27 [UNKNOWN]: Even though it's controlled by the United States, it's neither part of the United States, nor part of Cuba, although the Supreme Court in a series of decisions did say that actually for certain purposes, people who held the Guantanamo Bay do have access to the regular U.S.
20:28 --> 20:35 [UNKNOWN]: court system in a very limited way, but that's very complicated and nothing to do with silo.
20:35 --> 20:38 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's what one time I know Bay is.
20:39 --> 20:42 [UNKNOWN]: not a consequence you want to suffer.
20:43 --> 20:45 [UNKNOWN]: No, not a place you want to be sent.
20:47 --> 20:50 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, parents are like, I'm thinking about buying the island.
20:50 --> 20:52 [UNKNOWN]: Not just the base of the whole island, because it's beautiful.
20:53 --> 21:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, Helen, I continue to like, Helen, and she says, like, you can't just buy everybody, although he proves throughout the episode with the things he drops that he can.
21:04 --> 21:05 [UNKNOWN]: It seems like, but yeah.
21:06 --> 21:18 [UNKNOWN]: Is it just me as well, or did the, do you think the wardrobe department and the hairstylist went out of their way to make Colin Hanks look a little like Elon Musk?
21:18 --> 21:19 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you think?
21:19 --> 21:22 [UNKNOWN]: I was thinking, I mean, I think it's general tech pro stuff.
21:22 --> 21:25 [UNKNOWN]: I thought more like Steve Jobs in a point, but I guess not.
21:25 --> 21:27 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have the black turtleneck.
21:27 --> 21:29 [UNKNOWN]: now you don't have a black tote on that go the jeans.
21:29 --> 21:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's it is just like a a tech bro wardrobe where um like yeah I've worked a lot of startups and it's sort of like a fancy casual.
21:40 --> 21:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I sit around all day coding but I can afford nice clothes.
21:46 --> 21:47 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to
21:49 --> 22:08 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I also interesting is that Helen asks how long until, you know, before she agrees to sign, how long until I can write about whatever this is, and Senator Thurman says, no more than five years, hopefully less, and then assures this really is about saving the world.
22:09 --> 22:12 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think, what do you think it's up with this five-year timeline?
22:13 --> 22:14 [UNKNOWN]: And with your new
22:19 --> 22:31 [UNKNOWN]: I mean I don't actually have it in full hat theory because I just thought that I just thought the senator was lying because I think in five years everybody is going to be living in the silo and therefore there is nothing to write about.
22:31 --> 22:34 [UNKNOWN]: There is no newspaper to which you can't write.
22:34 --> 22:38 [UNKNOWN]: So I just think she was fobbling hell and off.
22:38 --> 22:45 [UNKNOWN]: Right, at that point, the one question I do have is, can you make a cloverist person sign an NDA?
22:45 --> 22:47 [UNKNOWN]: What that NDA have any effect?
22:47 --> 22:56 [UNKNOWN]: Because I'm not a lawyer, but surely they would have congressional privilege to go and say whatever they want to say on the floor of the House of Representatives.
22:57 --> 23:16 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, there's certainly there's obviously confidential materials that they're not, you know, like if you are sworn into become the president, you are granted access to confidential materials that you don't had, didn't have access to before, and unless they become declassified, you can't just share that.
23:16 --> 23:19 [UNKNOWN]: They have to be officially declassified, although I guess that's something the president can do.
23:21 --> 23:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm only thinking, I don't know whether this is the same in the US, but in a UK context, if an MP stands up in the House of Commons, they can say whatever they want without risk of being sued.
23:36 --> 23:41 [UNKNOWN]: It's called parliamentary privilege.
23:41 --> 23:48 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, but there's got to be classified government secrets in the UK that they can't just say publicly, right?
23:51 --> 23:56 [UNKNOWN]: They can't, but if they're involved in spycraft or something, you can't just say those things.
23:56 --> 24:01 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they can say, again, in the UK, they actually can say that.
24:01 --> 24:03 [UNKNOWN]: It would be up to the speaker to stop.
24:03 --> 24:07 [UNKNOWN]: It would be up to the speaker that has a common to shut them up, basically.
24:08 --> 24:10 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, you can say whatever you want.
24:11 --> 24:20 [UNKNOWN]: on the floor of the house because like people, people have used that to like people have used that to get round NDAs in the past.
24:21 --> 24:24 [UNKNOWN]: So there have been, there have been instances.
24:24 --> 24:31 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I'm not sure you can get a Congress person to sign an NDA that would be legally enforce it.
24:31 --> 24:37 [UNKNOWN]: If there are any lawyers in the US, in the US, you definitely can.
24:37 --> 24:37 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes,
24:40 --> 25:04 [UNKNOWN]: yeah no i mean it's i think it's it's considered treason like i think i know for instance snotin and such that he's not a member of congress but still it's under these sorts of of laws that um he was being prosecuted and had to you know hide from the u.s. government um and other governments so yeah i'm pretty sure it'd be considered high treason or something but yeah if there's
25:08 --> 25:14 [UNKNOWN]: but yeah, I would say I would take a threat seriously within the context of this show, considering the base in the US.
25:15 --> 25:15 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
25:17 --> 25:33 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, it's far as why they would sign, I guess with Helen we're supposed to think it's curiosity and money with Daniel, he says he just wants to know what happened to his sister and Charlotte, he's asked Charlotte, did you sign and she said I did because I also want to know what the fuck happened to me.
25:34 --> 25:37 [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't even know about the weather forecast cloud, but she's still using the right words.
25:39 --> 25:40 [UNKNOWN]: Would you sign look?
25:42 --> 25:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I want to know what's
25:47 --> 25:54 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think Helen uses the line later on in the episode everybody is interesting to me and I'm very much in that same boat.
25:54 --> 25:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:54 --> 25:54 [UNKNOWN]: With Helen.
25:55 --> 25:56 [UNKNOWN]: I want to know what's going on.
25:57 --> 25:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:57 --> 25:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, same.
25:58 --> 25:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm definitely want to know.
26:01 --> 26:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, and then by the way, I would also take the million dollars in a heartbeat.
26:06 --> 26:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:07 --> 26:10 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think they would forget drug them if they just said they wouldn't sound?
26:13 --> 26:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:13 --> 26:13 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well.
26:16 --> 26:19 [UNKNOWN]: Possibly, but what is it that they actually know or think they know?
26:19 --> 26:23 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know there's something, maybe they don't want them to know there's something.
26:24 --> 26:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but like, because Helen wouldn't stop digging.
26:27 --> 26:28 [UNKNOWN]: That's for sure.
26:29 --> 26:34 [UNKNOWN]: No Helen wouldn't stop digging, but I am just thinking that Daniel has a public profile.
26:35 --> 26:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he was still digging anyway.
26:37 --> 26:38 [UNKNOWN]: He wants to talk about his sister.
26:39 --> 26:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, but like if you if you if you memory if you memory drug is sitting Congress, I'm sure you can come up with a the implausible cover story.
26:46 --> 26:50 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, like they didn't come up with a series car accident.
26:51 --> 26:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:51 --> 26:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:53 --> 26:58 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they would bring back his memory but it would just be like they would get sent sent to the Stinson clinic or whatever.
27:00 --> 27:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
27:02 --> 27:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did find I was so glad in this episode that they gave us that meeting between Daniel and Charlotte in the first episode, so we could see the natural report today, because it's very subtle what Jessica Brown Finlay is doing, but I felt a marked difference in her behavior toward Daniel, because at this point in the story, she
27:25 --> 27:26 [UNKNOWN]: knows who Daniel is.
27:26 --> 27:30 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, yeah, I know you're my brother, but she doesn't remember him.
27:30 --> 27:32 [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't feel that warmth toward him.
27:32 --> 27:40 [UNKNOWN]: And so she sasses him later, and he seems a little bit relieved by it, but it's still it's not the same.
27:40 --> 27:44 [UNKNOWN]: She's sassing him because that's who she is, not because that's who they are as siblings.
27:45 --> 27:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and I think all I think also it's
27:50 --> 27:54 [UNKNOWN]: it's that I've been told this is who I am and this is who you are.
27:55 --> 28:11 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm kind it's actor playing somebody playing a role it's almost like yeah I think it is just her personality in this case that's just her personality peaking through but it's not it's not like their repartais just her.
28:13 --> 28:17 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a dual thing it's a one-sided you know I'm
28:19 --> 28:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
28:20 --> 28:20 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's right.
28:22 --> 28:34 [UNKNOWN]: I do have to ask a logistics question about the plane and I saw something in a book spoiler chat that maybe gives me a partial answer about the weirdness of this, but we'll bring that up in the book club.
28:34 --> 28:36 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm wondering your thoughts on
28:37 --> 28:44 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so we know Daniel and Helen started in DC and they got in this car.
28:44 --> 28:50 [UNKNOWN]: They were going to go not too far away down to Norfolk, Virginia, just a few hours.
28:50 --> 28:53 [UNKNOWN]: But then the car was carjacked and they were driven somewhere.
28:54 --> 28:58 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know exactly how long they were in the car, presumably a few hours.
28:59 --> 29:07 [UNKNOWN]: but then they end up with this airport and they get on this plane and the plane felt like it was almost an overnight flight.
29:08 --> 29:19 [UNKNOWN]: But I was doing calculations and like even if they drove from DC, let's say like up to New York, that would be a few hours and then that would be on the
29:23 --> 29:28 [UNKNOWN]: and then they flew from New York to we'd like a flight from New York to Atlanta.
29:28 --> 29:30 [UNKNOWN]: I looked it up out of curiosity but this sounds right.
29:30 --> 29:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's just over two hours.
29:32 --> 29:34 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you think's going on there?
29:35 --> 29:39 [UNKNOWN]: So basically what you're saying is we've got the opposite of just packing going on.
29:39 --> 29:40 [UNKNOWN]: We've got like
29:41 --> 29:44 [UNKNOWN]: We've got like horse and car to it, you could go with your own.
29:46 --> 29:47 [UNKNOWN]: DJ Packing, yeah.
29:48 --> 29:56 [UNKNOWN]: DJ Packing, um, I had really, I hadn't really thought about it, but yeah, you're right, that I just think I don't really make sense.
29:57 --> 30:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, that they might have been driven further than we thought.
30:03 --> 30:06 [UNKNOWN]: They might have possibly put, but why would they,
30:07 --> 30:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so I'll say that the thing that I saw made me wonder if what if they were just flying around in the air for reasons?
30:17 --> 30:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just to just to give them time to have a conversation.
30:21 --> 30:26 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, from from the writing perspective certainly that, but yeah, maybe in universe two.
30:27 --> 30:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I mean, peasants and...
30:31 --> 30:34 [UNKNOWN]: He's really just taking Daniel and how on along.
30:35 --> 30:41 [UNKNOWN]: A because he sort of has to, but B also wants Senator Thurman's kind of word that they're
30:42 --> 30:43 [UNKNOWN]: persuadable.
30:44 --> 30:52 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe part of the flight was was to sort of check out whether because you can get them to sign all the NDAs you want.
30:52 --> 30:55 [UNKNOWN]: That doesn't actually mean that they're gonna honor them.
30:55 --> 31:03 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe they would try to weigh whether these people were gonna blow the secret before they told it to.
31:06 --> 31:07 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
31:08 --> 31:08 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
31:08 --> 31:10 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's take a quick break here when we come back.
31:10 --> 31:13 [UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about those mile high conversations.
31:16 --> 31:16 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
31:16 --> 31:26 [UNKNOWN]: So as the characters fly from pairs private hanger to a mysterious location in Georgia, it gives them time to catch up on a series of private conversations.
31:26 --> 31:31 [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to go through the conversations one at a time, starting with actually a handful of conversations
31:33 --> 31:42 [UNKNOWN]: So Charlotte fills her brother in on her treatment saying Victor helped her recover her most recent memories up to the point of the mission, but not the mission itself.
31:42 --> 31:48 [UNKNOWN]: Later, Victor sits at Daniel and emphasizes that everything he said to Daniel last time they met is still true.
31:49 --> 31:55 [UNKNOWN]: He is Charlotte's doctor and he does need Daniel's help restoring her memories, her childhood memories especially.
31:56 --> 31:57 [UNKNOWN]: Whatever else is going on with the
32:00 --> 32:09 [UNKNOWN]: Victor tells Daniel the story of his wife and daughter Lulu's death and how he can know it happened without remembering the intense pain of his child dying in his arms.
32:10 --> 32:16 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you think about all the memory stuff this episode with Charlotte and co and Victor?
32:16 --> 32:21 [UNKNOWN]: I think you you get a better sense.
32:21 --> 32:23 [UNKNOWN]: I mean we sort of already knew this.
32:23 --> 32:23 [UNKNOWN]: We sort of
32:28 --> 32:49 [UNKNOWN]: from his point of view that that was why he was developing the memory drugs and I think it's you can understand why he would want to do that and how he would think what he was doing was helpful both for himself and for other people.
32:51 --> 32:53 [UNKNOWN]: But ultimately
32:55 --> 33:21 [UNKNOWN]: Ultimately, I think Victor is wrong and you need to remember there are ways of doing it safely and there are ways of doing it in a way that's healthy but ultimately to be around a human being is to experience pain and loss and grief and if you take that away from people, I think you are taking part of their soul for one other better word.
33:23 --> 33:45 [UNKNOWN]: people who have people in the discord have made this comparison and it's a strange one in the context of silo, but it very much reminds me of that scene in Star Trek 5 where there's a character in Star Trek 5 that can do what Victor, they can sort of do what Victor is proposing, which is basically to take people's pain away from them.
33:47 --> 33:56 [UNKNOWN]: Well, in chat, now Captain Kirk does this quite long salina queer about the importance of pain to his identity to who he is and where he's come from.
33:56 --> 33:58 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, I'm not recommending that you walk away.
33:58 --> 34:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm recommending that you watch.
34:00 --> 34:03 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I'm because it's a crap film, but it's crap film.
34:03 --> 34:04 [UNKNOWN]: It's oddly kind of good.
34:05 --> 34:09 [UNKNOWN]: It's so crap that it goes all the way around and comes back to good.
34:11 --> 34:13 [UNKNOWN]: Very much reminded me of that.
34:17 --> 34:30 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, there is a kind of distance between Charlotte and Daniel in the sense that Charlotte knows that she should love Daniel because he's her brother, but she doesn't.
34:32 --> 34:37 [UNKNOWN]: because she can't remember him, or can't remember him properly anyway.
34:37 --> 34:47 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I think the right, Jessica Brown Finley is doing a really good job here of communicating that there is that distance still between them.
34:47 --> 34:59 [UNKNOWN]: And the thing is that distance might always exist from that one, because even if she gets her memories back, they won't be the original, they won't be her original memories.
35:00 --> 35:07 [UNKNOWN]: That she will always have doubts, or if it was me anyway, I would always have doubts.
35:08 --> 35:09 [UNKNOWN]: What's been left at?
35:09 --> 35:12 [UNKNOWN]: I would always be questioning what's been left at.
35:13 --> 35:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I have to say, yeah, I think this is a strong change for various reasons, but I've said that this whole thing about her losing her memories like this is new for the show and I understand exactly, I understand that the many reasons why they're doing it, one of which is you know the paralleling with Juliette's experience in the silo 18 timeline and all that.
35:36 --> 35:48 [UNKNOWN]: But as a book reader, it does give me this sort of ache in my heart of, of, of, yeah, that the distance it puts between the brother and sister.
35:48 --> 35:49 [UNKNOWN]: But do you know what I mean?
35:49 --> 35:55 [UNKNOWN]: If you were in Charlotte shoes, let's say she gets, don't, you know, her memory completely restored.
35:57 --> 35:58 [UNKNOWN]: Would you be in, would you be questioning?
35:59 --> 36:01 [UNKNOWN]: Well, is it completely restored?
36:01 --> 36:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's just what I've been told.
36:02 --> 36:05 [UNKNOWN]: You know, how do I know there isn't a gap somewhere?
36:06 --> 36:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:09 --> 36:17 [UNKNOWN]: And, yeah, it is, the exchange where she's trying, she knows, like, there's almost, it's not a noise per se, but a little bit.
36:17 --> 36:25 [UNKNOWN]: When she's like, I, like, she's like, I understand why this brother character, like, to her, it's basically like, I've been told this is my brother.
36:25 --> 36:27 [UNKNOWN]: You keep telling me, this is my brother.
36:27 --> 36:30 [UNKNOWN]: I don't remember us running from the dog together.
36:30 --> 36:35 [UNKNOWN]: I just remember you hovering over my hospital bed being a little bit annoying, you know?
36:40 --> 36:47 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so like she understands why he needs explanations and she understands that he cares about her.
36:48 --> 36:50 [UNKNOWN]: She just doesn't have that feeling about him.
36:51 --> 36:52 [UNKNOWN]: And I hope that that will come back.
36:52 --> 36:58 [UNKNOWN]: I hope that you know, there will be Victor says they want to keep working on their childhood and that should help a lot.
36:58 --> 37:01 [UNKNOWN]: So I hope we see that over the rest of this season, but
37:02 --> 37:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he says about the victor said there would be value and remembering right up to when I got on the plane but not further and we find out we'll get to the separately in a moment, but we find out obviously this is what victor did with himself for reasons to not remember things.
37:18 --> 37:23 [UNKNOWN]: Um, that he wanted that emotional distance from his most traumatic and, uh, memories.
37:24 --> 37:28 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but she says, I'm better than I was, Victor's helped me remember.
37:28 --> 37:31 [UNKNOWN]: And Daniel says, but he also made you forget.
37:31 --> 37:36 [UNKNOWN]: And I wrote in the notes, see, he's pushing back.
37:36 --> 37:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
37:37 --> 37:42 [UNKNOWN]: See, yeah, I, I, I will sit here and I will take my medicine.
37:42 --> 37:42 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
37:44 --> 37:50 [UNKNOWN]: I've always forgiven, you know, I've said it a couple of times to go down, your stock has definitely gone up.
37:51 --> 37:53 [UNKNOWN]: I know not with everyone, but I'm a Daniel Defender.
37:55 --> 38:10 [UNKNOWN]: But when Vic says he did this to himself, he did, but I mean, it made me wonder who was the who was the Daniel in Vic's life who helped him rebuild the memories he wanted to keep, because he couldn't have done this entirely by him.
38:11 --> 38:18 [UNKNOWN]: If he's just, you know, if what he's describing to Daniel is what he did to himself, he couldn't have done it entirely alone.
38:18 --> 38:19 [UNKNOWN]: I had to be somebody else.
38:20 --> 38:26 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, he probably wrote things down what he wanted to know, but that is the thing.
38:26 --> 38:29 [UNKNOWN]: He certainly didn't have his wife and daughter there to help him.
38:30 --> 38:37 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, well, I'll just say before we get into Victor, just yeah, this is where Charlotte says, Snark said a brother, yeah, that was me asking you to move.
38:37 --> 38:40 [UNKNOWN]: I need your seat, which they didn't feel a little bit better.
38:42 --> 38:45 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, and then so Daniel goes and talks to Victor and he says,
38:47 --> 39:04 [UNKNOWN]: Victor says you said there were no guarantees in Victor says I did but two things can be true at once which yeah fair it like that he believes it will work but we don't yeah who can say that will be a hundred percent but the Victor lore that we learned this episode is he used to live in LA
39:04 --> 39:27 [UNKNOWN]: he had a daughter who was obsessed with the Grand Canyon and wanted to go and so he was rushing to reach the South Rim before sunrise so that she could see that and that's when he fell asleep at the wheel and at the same time there was a trucker named Kevin Bishop who also fell asleep at the wheel and drifted across the lane into.
39:27 --> 39:29 [UNKNOWN]: So it wasn't even like Victor wasn't the one
39:34 --> 39:36 [UNKNOWN]: drifted into their lane.
39:36 --> 39:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:38 --> 39:48 [UNKNOWN]: And he says all the techniques that I'm using on Charlotte, the drugs that therapy a device at all 30 years ago for myself because I wanted to forget.
39:48 --> 39:53 [UNKNOWN]: So obviously like his wife couldn't help him recover, just be work colleagues.
39:53 --> 39:56 [UNKNOWN]: So he probably never got a full
39:57 --> 39:58 [UNKNOWN]: proper memory.
39:58 --> 40:03 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure, you know, he had photos that he looked at with his family and home videos, that sort of thing.
40:04 --> 40:07 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm wondering, I'm wondering, does he have a brother?
40:07 --> 40:08 [UNKNOWN]: Does he have a sister?
40:08 --> 40:11 [UNKNOWN]: Does he have a brother in law, a sister in law?
40:11 --> 40:12 [UNKNOWN]: Somebody that might help him with that person.
40:14 --> 40:31 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just assuming that you can get a lot back through, I'm sure home videos and stuff, but he didn't have, for instance, I think smell is a huge memory trigger for most of us, and he didn't have the smell of his family to trigger memories, like things like that.
40:33 --> 40:41 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm guessing that the memory he did get back of them is imperfect and a little more distance than old Victor might have wanted.
40:42 --> 40:45 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, I've never been to the Grand Canyon of you.
40:46 --> 40:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I've been a couple of times.
40:48 --> 40:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's lovely.
40:50 --> 40:52 [UNKNOWN]: Is it as impressive as people say it is?
40:54 --> 40:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, it's massive.
40:55 --> 40:59 [UNKNOWN]: So it's different depending on where you go.
41:00 --> 41:09 [UNKNOWN]: It's actually more impressive looking in the part with its narrower, which I think yeah, it's a southern part, which is the first part I went to, I guess.
41:10 --> 41:26 [UNKNOWN]: This, when I went the second time, so the first time I went, I came from Arizona, and the second time I went, I went from Las Vegas, and I was with my family, and we did a helicopter ride into the canyon itself, and that was really cool to do it by helicopter.
41:26 --> 41:29 [UNKNOWN]: I was really glad that we did that.
41:29 --> 41:33 [UNKNOWN]: The narrow one, you can see more like, wow, that's a massive canyon.
41:33 --> 41:38 [UNKNOWN]: When it's wide, it's harder to see the scope of it actually in one eye full, you know.
41:39 --> 41:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that makes sense.
41:41 --> 41:58 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, as far as what you're saying about losing a part of your soul and Victor's whole memory journey, like, of course a child dying in your arms is a horrendous tragedy, but I can't help but be even more heartbroken by the idea of not remembering your final moments with that child.
42:00 --> 42:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, again, there's another piece of media and I'm sorry, it just lives right in my head.
42:06 --> 42:13 [UNKNOWN]: I will get over the fact that it didn't get the final season at some point, but there's a great scene in the first series of Westworld.
42:14 --> 42:25 [UNKNOWN]: where Bernard is sitting with Dolores, and basically Bernard, and this is not Bernard, and this is a different kind of obviously here.
42:26 --> 42:32 [UNKNOWN]: But he's sitting with Dolores, and he says something about Dolores has lost her quote unquote family.
42:33 --> 42:40 [UNKNOWN]: I said, you know, if I can take a whale because obviously they're robots, so I can take a whale as paint you want me to.
42:40 --> 42:45 [UNKNOWN]: but she says something along the lines but the pain is where I have left of them.
42:45 --> 42:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
42:46 --> 42:49 [UNKNOWN]: Why would you want, why would I want you to take that away from me?
42:51 --> 43:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, we all have to experience death of a loved one at some point in our lives.
43:02 --> 43:04 [UNKNOWN]: And it's horrible, it's awful.
43:06 --> 43:09 [UNKNOWN]: they take some part of you with them.
43:10 --> 43:22 [UNKNOWN]: But it's also grief is the, I very much believe in grief is the price you pay for love in the first place.
43:23 --> 43:28 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I wouldn't want to not remember the entirety of the experience.
43:28 --> 43:32 [UNKNOWN]: However, the ending is not the sum total of the
43:33 --> 43:34 [UNKNOWN]: This is getting a bit deep.
43:34 --> 43:37 [UNKNOWN]: The ending is not subtotal of the experience space.
43:37 --> 43:37 [UNKNOWN]: No.
43:38 --> 43:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say, yeah, it does also remind me of a thing in Wheel of Time, but it's spoilery.
43:42 --> 43:50 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't watched the Wheel of Time, but there's a great quote in that also about the pain being what you hold on to.
43:51 --> 43:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, please, can I get that final series of Westworld?
43:55 --> 43:56 [UNKNOWN]: I need it.
43:56 --> 43:57 [UNKNOWN]: I need it.
43:57 --> 43:57 [UNKNOWN]: I need it.
43:57 --> 44:02 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not even available to stream on the platform anymore.
44:02 --> 44:03 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
44:03 --> 44:10 [UNKNOWN]: It's so glad, so glad I bought all the seasons of that.
44:10 --> 44:12 [UNKNOWN]: But it's for this show.
44:12 --> 44:13 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
44:13 --> 44:17 [UNKNOWN]: It's as far as Victor and his child is just what were
44:18 --> 44:32 [UNKNOWN]: He lost his child's last words to him, which might have been the most meaningful thing in the world, and maybe even changed him as a person, and maybe for the better in some ways, and he lost that change for the better.
44:34 --> 44:48 [UNKNOWN]: I did, this is pure speculation, this is not like we don't know Victor's whole backstory in the books, so this is something added, but I just wonder what did he lose in those final moments and might it be everything?
44:49 --> 44:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, like I can see, I can see why Victor is doing what he's doing and
45:03 --> 45:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and just to say that Daniel and Helen, he does talk to her about a sister's recovery and there's like, after people were like, people were like, there's too much time between them last week.
45:14 --> 45:24 [UNKNOWN]: Well, now there's almost no time between them, but I do still have the feeling that they like, when they go to sit together on the plane, it's like they are each other's sort of home base in this situation.
45:25 --> 45:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:25 --> 45:31 [UNKNOWN]: Even though Charlotte's on the plane, it's sort of his comfort at this moment comes from being near Helen.
45:32 --> 45:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:32 --> 45:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:34 --> 45:34 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
45:35 --> 45:36 [UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
45:38 --> 45:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:39 --> 45:47 [UNKNOWN]: And I think just because it doesn't spend a lot of time together, I think, just again, we're going to actually so come and have, like we said before, they have really good chemistry show.
45:47 --> 45:52 [UNKNOWN]: They don't spend a lot of time together to communicate stuff to the audience.
45:52 --> 45:52 [UNKNOWN]: No.
45:52 --> 45:54 [UNKNOWN]: No, we got that last week.
45:54 --> 45:59 [UNKNOWN]: But we also learned a lot more about the other older gentlemen on the plane, so unlocking Henry.
46:00 --> 46:05 [UNKNOWN]: Henry admits to Helen that the minivan they were trapped in was bugged, and he heard everything they said.
46:06 --> 46:11 [UNKNOWN]: His respect for her has increased, now that he knows the truth behind her alleged journalistic fraud.
46:12 --> 46:16 [UNKNOWN]: And not to worry, the NDAs ensure that this information will remain a secret as well.
46:17 --> 46:30 [UNKNOWN]: Helen asks the man about his background and he says he spent 20 years in military intelligence and then ran his own private firm before meeting the senator during her first congressional campaign and going to work for her.
46:30 --> 46:31 [UNKNOWN]: At first as her driver.
46:32 --> 46:34 [UNKNOWN]: Now he says he doesn't really have a job title.
46:34 --> 46:38 [UNKNOWN]: He just takes care of things for the senator and her daughter Anna.
46:38 --> 46:44 [UNKNOWN]: And, first of all, we're calling him Henry because that's how he's credited.
46:44 --> 46:46 [UNKNOWN]: But he still hasn't even said his name.
46:46 --> 46:47 [UNKNOWN]: Has he?
46:47 --> 46:49 [UNKNOWN]: Is that part of the NDA his name?
46:50 --> 46:52 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's going to.
46:53 --> 46:53 [UNKNOWN]: No.
46:54 --> 46:57 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think he will ever say his name on screen.
46:57 --> 46:58 [UNKNOWN]: You know, might not bet now.
46:59 --> 47:00 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
47:00 --> 47:00 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
47:00 --> 47:01 [UNKNOWN]: He's Henry in the credits.
47:01 --> 47:04 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll keep using that name until we get anything better.
47:06 --> 47:13 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I like to he called about like Helen lied to him, Helen missed journalistic integrity, still can't sleep.
47:13 --> 47:24 [UNKNOWN]: Daniel and I slept in the back of the minivan when you were driving it and he's like, I know that's a lie because you were bugs and he says, it wasn't me driving it which is fair.
47:25 --> 47:31 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have thoughts on how the self driving of this dumb man mechanism worked?
47:32 --> 47:39 [UNKNOWN]: No, honestly, with stuff like that, unless it's like becomes integral to the plot, I'm happy to just leave it out.
47:39 --> 47:40 [UNKNOWN]: No.
47:40 --> 47:41 [UNKNOWN]: He's necessary for the plot.
47:42 --> 47:42 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
47:43 --> 47:44 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
47:45 --> 47:48 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about Henry's firm?
47:48 --> 47:49 [UNKNOWN]: He says it was successful.
47:49 --> 47:51 [UNKNOWN]: It was very successful until it wasn't.
47:52 --> 47:53 [UNKNOWN]: So like, what changed?
47:54 --> 47:55 [UNKNOWN]: Was there a possible interference?
47:56 --> 47:58 [UNKNOWN]: He says it was entirely my fault.
47:58 --> 48:01 [UNKNOWN]: Certain character defects I hadn't addressed.
48:03 --> 48:17 [UNKNOWN]: I mean I have no reason to think this is just instinct and it was just the way he delivered the line and maybe this is something I'm bringing to this but I thought that was and I
48:26 --> 48:37 [UNKNOWN]: And then that's ultimately why his company failed basically that he needed to deal with that.
48:37 --> 48:44 [UNKNOWN]: I like to say, I don't know what sort of driving me in that direction, but that was my instant reaction to that line.
48:45 --> 48:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I'll say I don't know, I mean, I'm still trying to figure out what book character or characters this character might be analogous to, but so I have no idea either.
49:00 --> 49:07 [UNKNOWN]: But it does, yeah, we do hear, I was calling him Thurman's fixer and it seems that is the case and it's like, what does that mean?
49:07 --> 49:08 [UNKNOWN]: It means a lot.
49:08 --> 49:13 [UNKNOWN]: What sorts of, what's the worst thing you think you may be has ever done for the Thurman's?
49:13 --> 49:17 [UNKNOWN]: Like are we talking, what we'll talk about Rob Simms later?
49:17 --> 49:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're talking, are we talking murder?
49:20 --> 49:23 [UNKNOWN]: We're certainly talking black, we're certainly talking black,
49:27 --> 49:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not sure it would go as far as murder but it strikes me the Henry is very much somebody who would rather catch flies with honey than with vinegar and that if you can buy people that's much, much safer than violence, could I seem killing somebody?
49:50 --> 49:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I don't think
49:54 --> 50:00 [UNKNOWN]: I think with Robert Sims killing people, often to him in the past has been the easiest solution.
50:00 --> 50:02 [UNKNOWN]: I think Henry would see that as a failure.
50:02 --> 50:08 [UNKNOWN]: I think he has more, for one of the better words he has more art to him than simply.
50:08 --> 50:09 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't think he would say so.
50:11 --> 50:12 [UNKNOWN]: Got, no sorry, go ahead.
50:12 --> 50:15 [UNKNOWN]: And then things seems to have been making the decisions to kill people.
50:15 --> 50:16 [UNKNOWN]: I think he was being instructed to.
50:17 --> 50:18 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
50:18 --> 50:24 [UNKNOWN]: But I think Henry wants everybody to go away from the deal happy.
50:24 --> 50:27 [UNKNOWN]: I think, or at least satisfied.
50:28 --> 50:29 [UNKNOWN]: And don't be wrong.
50:29 --> 50:36 [UNKNOWN]: I think, if that's not possible, I think he would resort to violence, but that's not where he's going to go in the first instance.
50:36 --> 50:36 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think.
50:37 --> 50:43 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, and if he did, I can't imagine him like pushing anyone over the railing himself, you know, like Sims.
50:43 --> 50:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, you would hire somebody to do that.
50:47 --> 50:47 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
50:49 --> 51:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then we are last conversation we'll check in on during the flight is footsie flirting, Anna sees Charlotte struggling to sleep and joins her as the two make eyes at each other, Charlotte admits she doesn't like flying when she's not the one controlling the plane.
51:03 --> 51:07 [UNKNOWN]: And Anna says thoughts of the big day tomorrow are keeping her awake.
51:08 --> 51:22 [UNKNOWN]: So, I'll say, like, as a reader, I was like, are these, like, in the books, I've said that they're old family friends, the Charlotte and Donald's in the book terms family and the Thurmans are old family friends.
51:22 --> 51:34 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, they've all just met the two families in this version, but in the book she would be more Donald's friend, more like involved with his professional career and things like that.
51:37 --> 51:49 [UNKNOWN]: unexpected and this week's book club discussion is going to be all about Anna and how this new for the show connection might or might not change this side of the plot to come.
51:49 --> 51:52 [UNKNOWN]: But what would you make of this unexpected flirting?
51:53 --> 52:00 [UNKNOWN]: I've got to say that the flirting kind, the flirting kind it comes out nowhere, it caught me off guard a little bit.
52:00 --> 52:02 [UNKNOWN]: Because we haven't seen them together.
52:02 --> 52:15 [UNKNOWN]: The last we heard was she asked, she asked Danielle, if he would mind if she went to visit her sister to pay respects to a veteran and we were like, okay, that's weird, but you do you, girl.
52:16 --> 52:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so like, yeah, I'm giving the, I'm giving the, I'm going to need more information on that guys you can't just throw that out there like that like fair enough, but yeah, where did that come from?
52:30 --> 52:40 [UNKNOWN]: There's a whole, they had that whole like cutesy magic show exchange about like you just, yeah, it's right, it just wants to cut right to the explanation she doesn't want the trick.
52:41 --> 52:43 [UNKNOWN]: The foot rubbing teases.
52:44 --> 52:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
52:45 --> 52:53 [UNKNOWN]: But they're also very clearly, they're both like looking around a lot and aware that there's other people around them and adjusting the behavior accordingly.
52:54 --> 52:57 [UNKNOWN]: And I do think Daniel clocks the flirting for a moment.
52:57 --> 53:00 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:00 --> 53:02 [UNKNOWN]: Daniel definitely clocks the flirting.
53:02 --> 53:04 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't think he's happy about it.
53:05 --> 53:06 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I don't know.
53:07 --> 53:09 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think that would be because like he's not sure he trusts Emma?
53:11 --> 53:19 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's partly that also I think you know from Daniel's point of view it might look as if Anna is taking advantage of his sister who hasn't got a memory back yet
53:20 --> 53:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but if you meet someone new, that's not uh, let's say, well, that's the thing we don't issue new.
53:27 --> 53:32 [UNKNOWN]: But we don't, I mean, yeah, if, if they met privately, we wouldn't know.
53:32 --> 53:32 [UNKNOWN]: No.
53:32 --> 53:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, as far as Daniel knows, they've never met before.
53:35 --> 53:36 [UNKNOWN]: And that's true.
53:36 --> 53:43 [UNKNOWN]: As far as Daniel knows, the thermons had never heard of his sister until he barged into Senator Thurmond's office and brought her up.
53:44 --> 53:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
53:46 --> 54:01 [UNKNOWN]: But I did notice in the background on my second watch when I was distracted in the first watch by the conversation we'll get to, which we in Helen and Pear, but in the background while they're walking away from the plane to the helicopters.
54:03 --> 54:12 [UNKNOWN]: Charlotte and Anna are walking together and kind of giggling and then Anna's yells to her mom like we'll take the helicopter in the back to you and they run out of the way.
54:13 --> 54:14 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know it's not.
54:14 --> 54:18 [UNKNOWN]: I need her on either of my watches so it's a good spot.
54:20 --> 54:24 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's a definite flirting going on, but yeah, let's let's set this section up a digging deep.
54:25 --> 54:31 [UNKNOWN]: As Dawn approaches, the group flights past Atlanta to a location in Georgia where pair has purchased a large tract of land.
54:32 --> 54:34 [UNKNOWN]: The group disembarks and boards helicopters.
54:35 --> 54:44 [UNKNOWN]: Through the window of one of the helicopters, Daniel sees one of the giant diggers he designed for his previous Army Corps of Engineering Work in New Orleans, and it's digging.
54:50 --> 54:51 [UNKNOWN]: Well, where did you think we did sell that?
54:52 --> 54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's like we've known from the episode 1, you know, the Daniel invented a special there.
54:57 --> 55:10 [UNKNOWN]: Well, what the special there could be used for, but it was kind of cool seeing this digger that we've only seen and another object at the bottom of the satellite, actually doing some digging.
55:10 --> 55:13 [UNKNOWN]: That's what that was cool.
55:14 --> 55:15 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, like,
55:17 --> 55:39 [UNKNOWN]: I think we'll talk about it in a second, but one of the scene, what the scene does sort of relay is just how insanely rich Prestons must actually be, but like a whole variety of reasons, he's got to be like baseless levels of wealthy, if not wealthy, like there's just some crazy stuff going on here.
55:42 --> 55:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we find out that he purchased 300 acres.
55:50 --> 55:57 [UNKNOWN]: He translates that into 400 square miles, and then I did a conversion that's 1 square kilometers.
55:57 --> 55:58 [UNKNOWN]: So that is...
55:58 --> 55:59 [UNKNOWN]: a buttload of land.
56:00 --> 56:03 [UNKNOWN]: It used to consist of 42 individual farms.
56:03 --> 56:07 [UNKNOWN]: And Daniel's like, you got, you convinced 42 Georgia farmers to give up their farms.
56:07 --> 56:19 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, I gave them generational wealth, which as you point out with the Helen thing, if the silo system is implemented in five years is potentially, yeah, what won't be meaningful.
56:19 --> 56:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, quite a dickish thing, like he just threw a bunch of money at them that they can do it for now for the next five years, I guess, so about the project.
56:32 --> 56:41 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say, it's interesting, they didn't know they were headed to Georgia until Daniel looked out the window and saw the Atlantis skyline right before they arrived.
56:41 --> 56:51 [UNKNOWN]: So again, it's like, why didn't they just tell them where they were going and it seems like they were intentionally trying to disorient them and maybe that would be a reason of going around in circles.
56:54 --> 56:59 [UNKNOWN]: And it does seem here, like, because I'll say, in the book, it was a government project.
57:00 --> 57:08 [UNKNOWN]: And here it seems more like a private or at least privately funded project that's not going to be public knowledge for now at least.
57:09 --> 57:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I do wonder whether the connection between pair and Senator Thurman pre-existed the project, free-existed the building of the silent, or whether Daniel, oh sorry, whether Daniel, whether pair had gone away and like done research as to where is the best place to put these silos?
57:34 --> 57:35 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we figured out as Georgia,
57:38 --> 57:51 [UNKNOWN]: So in other words, is it being built in Georgia because um, pair had a pre-existing relationship with Senator Thurman or does we have any relationship with Senator Thurman because he is building the silos in Georgia?
57:52 --> 57:53 [UNKNOWN]: And it is interesting.
57:53 --> 57:56 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know yet where Paris from.
57:56 --> 57:59 [UNKNOWN]: I guess because of the text stuff, I'm like, he must be from California.
58:00 --> 58:01 [UNKNOWN]: It's not necessarily true.
58:01 --> 58:17 [UNKNOWN]: And we find out the Victor was originally in LA, so that I wonder if they met up whatever he, that Victor and Paramet up, because obviously Victor is working at the Stencing Clinic, which has Paris name on it, and we found out he created
58:18 --> 58:21 [UNKNOWN]: apparently to either honor his mother or treat his mother.
58:21 --> 58:24 [UNKNOWN]: It's not clear, but it's a glorious story.
58:24 --> 58:25 [UNKNOWN]: Where's the glorious dancing?
58:25 --> 58:26 [UNKNOWN]: Am I making that up?
58:28 --> 58:30 [UNKNOWN]: I don't have to go back and re-watch it.
58:30 --> 58:32 [UNKNOWN]: Heidi Stenson, it was Heidi Stenson.
58:32 --> 58:34 [UNKNOWN]: Heidi, okay.
58:34 --> 58:38 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so he created it something to do with his mother.
58:40 --> 58:46 [UNKNOWN]: So did he and Victor meet in California, but then the question becomes, why is the
58:48 --> 58:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's a good question.
58:51 --> 58:59 [UNKNOWN]: We hear Daniel does ask Senator Thurman like who's idea was this whole thing and she says he's the brains I'm just a believer.
58:59 --> 59:03 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like that's a typically political, cryptic thing to say.
59:03 --> 59:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
59:04 --> 59:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
59:06 --> 59:09 [UNKNOWN]: But okay, here's my question in terms of all the footsies being played.
59:09 --> 59:12 [UNKNOWN]: Is parappping extra attention to Helen?
59:13 --> 59:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, no question.
59:14 --> 59:16 [UNKNOWN]: He likes the Helen Sass.
59:16 --> 59:34 [UNKNOWN]: he does like the hell and so I just like he's clearly somebody he's clearly somebody who hasn't been told no by anybody in a very long time and I think I think he confines that quite attractive and also let's face it how one drew is he's good to look at and let's not be about what you're sure yeah of course yeah yeah but
59:35 --> 59:51 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know whether this season, whether the writers have changed their approach slightly this season, but the season doesn't have a lot more like one-liners and a lot more humor in it than the season one-and-two I thought I think you think?
59:52 --> 59:58 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I don't know, I think the Patrick was often our comic relief in the first season.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: All right, but we've got to talk about this, this conversation, Helen, and pair of hats.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:07 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, Helen says, I got to ask that rumor going around.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a robot.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:13 [UNKNOWN]: No, the other one, the unicorn.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:14 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that one's true.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was a joke.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:18 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, we have the science.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:20 [UNKNOWN]: We created our own gene editing technology.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: It makes CRISPR look like Fisher Price.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: We did some magic with horse, narwhal, and rhino DNA.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:28 [UNKNOWN]: It would have worked, too, but I scrapped it.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:32 [UNKNOWN]: You had a momentary burst of not wanting to be a mad scientist.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:39 [UNKNOWN]: I talked with the 10th richest man in the world and he offered me a billion dollars if I created my unicorn and he could hunt and kill it.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:41 [UNKNOWN]: Fucking billionaires.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:42 [UNKNOWN]: They ruin everything.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:46 [UNKNOWN]: Do you make them all this?
01:00:48 --> 01:00:49 [UNKNOWN]: I love the fucking billionaires.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50 [UNKNOWN]: They ruin everything.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:53 [UNKNOWN]: I put out some of them.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 [UNKNOWN]: He says completely self-aware, yeah.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:02 [UNKNOWN]: Clearly, he has had that conversation so many times.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:05 [UNKNOWN]: That feels like a Mark Zuckerberg reference.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although how would you know?
01:01:11 --> 01:01:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, watch the Oscar Award winning short film from last year.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:16 [UNKNOWN]: I am not a robot.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17 [UNKNOWN]: Dutch film.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:18 [UNKNOWN]: You can find it on YouTube.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:24 [UNKNOWN]: Well, also, like, why would a billionaire think offering pair stands in a billion dollars would do anything?
01:01:25 --> 01:01:30 [UNKNOWN]: That's like saying, that would be like, I don't mean like me coming along and saying, I'd like to kill you unicorn.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:33 [UNKNOWN]: He is ten percent.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:34 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:34 [UNKNOWN]: That's not going to move.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: That's not going to move the meat.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:37 [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't need another billion dollars.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:46 [UNKNOWN]: If you could create, you would call it, why would your first reaction be to what the sentence?
01:01:47 --> 01:01:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:54 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm definitely with Pair on that, but I do wonder, how many billions is Pair the first?
01:01:55 --> 01:01:57 [UNKNOWN]: Mo, like, wealthiest did they say?
01:01:59 --> 01:02:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm the richest man in, oh, okay, sorry, this is maybe a spoiler, but no, he's the richest man, I saw somewhere else, so, okay, okay, don't look at it.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:20 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, so, if you were a billionaire and you had access to the technology, would you want to create a mythical creature and if so, which one?
01:02:22 --> 01:02:32 [UNKNOWN]: Um, oh, I mean, a unicorn is a good one, but, um, but the thing is like you're not creating a magical unicorn you're creating a horse with a bone sticking out of a tent.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with a button sticking out, it's head.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:37 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you may not be convenient for said horse.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's true, that's true as well.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:43 [UNKNOWN]: And also it's not going to be able to fly.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:45 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's not a peg at this.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've got to say speaking of speaking of things that could fly if it was me.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:55 [UNKNOWN]: And this is after watching a lot of hot day, you're going to surely go to try and make a dragon.
01:02:55 --> 01:02:56 [UNKNOWN]: That would be cool.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:00 [UNKNOWN]: Literally making the animal nuclear bomb.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:01 [UNKNOWN]: Literally making it.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:02 [UNKNOWN]: I come on.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:05 [UNKNOWN]: It goes boomerly.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:06 [UNKNOWN]: It makes the go boomerly.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure I'd regret this but like I think um I mean and yeah I don't want to genetically experiment on animals in general I just say again I'm a vegetarian blah blah blah but it would be fun if my cats could fly but also I'm sure what it would be for the cat so I'm not sure
01:03:37 --> 01:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess you can't do it to yourself.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:46 [UNKNOWN]: I want wings, but it would be more the case of like having a child with wings.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:48 [UNKNOWN]: And I wouldn't subject that to another child.
01:03:48 --> 01:03:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's an entirely different thing.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:03:54 --> 01:04:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but since we've reached the end of the before times plot for this episode I will you rank these characters based on how much you trust them right now.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:10 [UNKNOWN]: Daniel Helen, Charlotte, Victor, the senator, Anna, Henry, and newbie, pair stenson.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:12 [UNKNOWN]: How much do you trust them ranked?
01:04:13 --> 01:04:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I would go with I would go with Daniel first, then Helen, then Charlotte, then Anna,
01:04:24 --> 01:04:32 [UNKNOWN]: Then Senator Thurman, then Victor, then Pistons, another Mr.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:33 [UNKNOWN]: Anybody else.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:34 [UNKNOWN]: Henry.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:35 [UNKNOWN]: Henry.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:40 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, well, no, I would, would I go a Henryable Pistonson?
01:04:41 --> 01:04:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I probably would.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:45 [UNKNOWN]: Pistonson has got to come last.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: So you like him, but you don't trust him.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:49 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:56 [UNKNOWN]: I would like to invite him for dinner, but I am not telling him my deepest darkest secret.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:57 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:04:57 --> 01:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's say I'm not going to answer the question because it's too informed by book plot, so I feel like it would be a spoilery, but I will answer this next question, which is, okay, so you want to invite him for dinner.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: Would you invite him?
01:05:08 --> 01:05:10 [UNKNOWN]: We did our dream blunt rotation.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: I know you don't smoke.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:20 [UNKNOWN]: We did our dream blunt rotation with the silo 18 people, but who would be your dream blunt rotation from the before times leak?
01:05:21 --> 01:05:23 [UNKNOWN]: OK, so I'm going to completely reverse myself here.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:36 [UNKNOWN]: It would be Pestenson and Henry, because I want to get, I want to, well, actually, no, it wouldn't be Henry given what I said before, because you might have had my sense of it was he had his issues.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:39 [UNKNOWN]: So it would be Pestenson.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:45 [UNKNOWN]: It would be Annaren Charlotte, just to see what happens, just to see what that goes.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:48 [UNKNOWN]: And actually Daniel and Helen, for the same reason,
01:05:51 --> 01:05:53 [UNKNOWN]: If this is a thing, they could go on double night.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: They could, they could.
01:05:57 --> 01:06:13 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I, for my dream of blunt rotation before times league addition, I think, I would go, I think, yeah, I would go with pair of stents in Helen, Charlotte, and Anna just because I think this would be the best banter combination.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: Also, you know the person's in a spot to plump the size of a fence post.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:23 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he can have most made-up drugs we've never heard of.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:27 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:28 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take a quick break here.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:32 [UNKNOWN]: When we come back, we're going to swap Storylines and check in on Silo 18.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:51 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so this is a part where the story web is tangled, so we're going to try to pull out one thread at a time and talk about that entire thread at once, starting with a secret sortie and I haven't forgotten your definition, we'll come back to that of that word.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:52 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but.
01:06:53 --> 01:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet Nichols Rebecca Ferguson has been prepping Lucas Kyle of a Nash and Patrick Kennedy, Rick Gomez for a secretive pre-donde departure from the silo, instructing them to go to silo 17 and not only get the kids and Jimmy, but also figure out how Jimmy's parents want stopped the safeguard from being implemented there.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Leaving Lucas and Patrick in the care of Deputy Jerry, Liam Ockpon, she also instructs Jerry to get Team Hacker Danny Blie, Will Merrick, to shut down the screens in the cafeteria so that the two men can slip out unnoticed.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:33 [UNKNOWN]: Danny shows up with the other two outsiders, Kathleen Billings, Caitlin Zaz and Sandy, Chippo Chung, who are filled in.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:41 [UNKNOWN]: In the meantime, Robert Sims' common has slipped out of the house in the weed pre-done hours for a clandestine meeting with Juliette.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:49 [UNKNOWN]: He tells her Walter filtration is currently being guarded and he suspects that means the vitamin D plus release has happened.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:58 [UNKNOWN]: He warns her that the effects should begin quickly and that she should find other pre-bottled ways to get in her liquids avoiding the water in the taps.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:04 [UNKNOWN]: He also tells her that he's being followed and he has to break off contact for everyone's protection.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: This news triggers Juliet to move up the exit plan to immediately.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: Martha Walker, Harriet Walter, arrives to see the two men off with instructions on using the radio to keep in contact.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:28 [UNKNOWN]: When Lucas and Kennedy reached the sea of the dead guarding Silas 17, they begin to hear a buzzing noise, and then gunfire is heard through the radio.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:34 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas yells at Kennedy to run, and the radio cuts, and Juliet is later told that the men have not made it.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:40 [UNKNOWN]: But after chewing on our nails for the entirety of the episode, finally, there is radio contact.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's Patrick Kennedy checking in.
01:08:44 --> 01:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: So this whole plotline, where you like, I mean, as far as the episode was going on, I was still distracted by all the other things going on obviously, but I was also watching like how much time has left because we need to hear from these guys.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did think that they were gonna be really evil and leave us hanging for a whole week.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:12 [UNKNOWN]: to find out where the Lucas and Patrick survived.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:24 [UNKNOWN]: They didn't as it turns out, but I think this in terms of ten-foy or hat theory, this part of the plot gives us a lot to chew on.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:30 [UNKNOWN]: Because I am assuming that buzzing noise was drones.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:33 [UNKNOWN]: We know that there was gunfire.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:49 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so presumably those drones were sent out by whoever or whatever is residing in the silo one, so we know a couple of things about silo one.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:56 [UNKNOWN]: We know that it supplies electricity to the IT departments in all the other silo's.
01:09:57 --> 01:10:03 [UNKNOWN]: or at least provides reserve electricity to the all the other silos.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:13 [UNKNOWN]: We know that it is in contact with the voice with the algorithm in all the other silos
01:10:24 --> 01:10:39 [UNKNOWN]: I think we can take that as meaning that silo one is substantially bigger than the other silos that it has access to superior technology to the other silos.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:47 [UNKNOWN]: Is there anything else, I mean, I will neither confirm nor deny these suppositions.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay.
01:10:52 --> 01:11:15 [UNKNOWN]: what what what I wonder is is there like a ultimate bad bad idea the ultimate head of IT in silo one and they are controlling all of this or do the general population of silo one if they exist are they all in on it is what I'm saying it are there like 10 or more people
01:11:19 --> 01:11:21 [UNKNOWN]: don't not live it that up.
01:11:21 --> 01:11:37 [UNKNOWN]: If this idea is, if this is all a social experiment, are they the group that knows what's going on, knows what the silo was built for and why, you know, doesn't have the pack, doesn't have the order.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:46 [UNKNOWN]: You know, is there, does that mean there are a group of survivors of whatever Holocaust caused people to move into the silo, they'll actually
01:11:49 --> 01:11:52 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and you can confirm nor deny any of that.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:59 [UNKNOWN]: No, well, neither confirm nor deny any of that, but I think you're asking great questions and I'm glad you're asking them out loud.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:05 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, let's jump back to the two Sims.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:11 [UNKNOWN]: So when we see him, we'll do a whole other section about his drama with Camille this episode, but just to talk about
01:12:13 --> 01:12:14 [UNKNOWN]: how the episode begins.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:19 [UNKNOWN]: It's notable that it opens on Anthony's face sleeping.
01:12:19 --> 01:12:22 [UNKNOWN]: The entire episode, that's the first thing we see is Anthony Oscar Coleman.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:25 [UNKNOWN]: And just a reminder that
01:12:27 --> 01:12:42 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a reminder that Robert Sims, but also his wife, is doing this all for their son, everything, even though they're pitted against each other, as we see, particularly come to a head this episode, they are doing it in the way for the same reasons.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:51 [UNKNOWN]: They just have different ideas about what needs to be done, and they also, of course, have access to different, but similar sets of information, like I think they don't realize
01:12:52 --> 01:12:57 [UNKNOWN]: or she probably doesn't realize how much of what she knows he does know because of the banana of it all, but um, yes.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:00 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's just interesting.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:04 [UNKNOWN]: They, they want the same things, but they still can't get there in the same page.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:06 [UNKNOWN]: But what we'll do a whole section on them.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:20 [UNKNOWN]: I just think it that was a very market opening shot that was on Anthony, because I guess it's also about future generations of the silasins in general is basically what this is all for.
01:13:21 --> 01:13:22 [UNKNOWN]: whatever.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but to paraphrase, to paraphrase, Terry and Lannister, you live for your children as you were an redeeming feature.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:35 [UNKNOWN]: And I kind of feel about, about Robert and Camille, actually, at this point.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:40 [UNKNOWN]: you said you're coming around on him though.
01:13:41 --> 01:13:41 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:13:42 --> 01:13:50 [UNKNOWN]: I kind of admit there are moments in the episode where I'm kind of coming around on them, and there are moments where I'm definitely not.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:52 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, yeah, Sean, don't let me.
01:13:54 --> 01:13:57 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going through some stuff with Robert Sims, just don't let me.
01:13:57 --> 01:13:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm working through your feelings.
01:13:59 --> 01:14:00 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:25 [UNKNOWN]: I did think it was interesting when he was sneaking out to meet Juliet, he's like we see him kind of like hiding from the Raiders, but he knows the cameras are there like he says he knows the cameras are there, but I guess it was important enough that this meeting happened and they chose somewhere where he wouldn't be seen, but it was rich of him to go back and pretend to have been in bed the whole time when his wife could see he's been walking around the silo in the middle of the night.
01:14:27 --> 01:14:33 [UNKNOWN]: But I think what I take away from this, we were had the whole discussion, especially in our feedback episode.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:35 [UNKNOWN]: We had a big discussion about theories.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:41 [UNKNOWN]: People had about the barrels being swapped out, the vitamin D plus barrels before they reached water filtration.
01:14:42 --> 01:14:47 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that this episode confirms that Sims did not do that.
01:14:48 --> 01:14:54 [UNKNOWN]: But I wrote the robot, yes, our Robert Sims did do that, but I do not rule out at this point,
01:14:58 --> 01:15:02 [UNKNOWN]: I, I all along, I've thought if anybody swapped them out, it would have been Camille.
01:15:02 --> 01:15:07 [UNKNOWN]: Because I just go back to that line in Episode 6 about the, the algorithm not having arms or legs.
01:15:08 --> 01:15:21 [UNKNOWN]: I, I don't know, I think Camille was trying to, I don't know whether you was trying to tell, would you get something or whether she was trying to tell the audience something, but there, there is, I think there was more to that line than just Lucas and Patrick.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm sort of 50 50 on this because I certainly think Camille would want to outsmart the algorithm the voices they call it if she could, but I'm not convinced that she thinks she can.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:15:53 --> 01:15:54 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm with you on that.
01:15:54 --> 01:16:01 [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, and I, I do, I just find it so sad for the Sims is that they're both all alone in this.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: Like, they, in Camille in a way, it's even worse for her because she really feels like she has all the weight of this on her shoulders.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:09 [UNKNOWN]: Although I'm sure.
01:16:09 --> 01:16:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because she's at least a pile of ventures have each other.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:14 [UNKNOWN]: Even if Sims can't have contact with them.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because she doesn't, she doesn't even have a, she doesn't even have a shot.
01:16:19 --> 01:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just her and the voice dealing with it.
01:16:23 --> 01:16:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'm surprised actually that the voice hasn't insisted she name the shadow at some point.
01:16:30 --> 01:16:32 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's still too precarious.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:38 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, but let's say from the voices point of view, let's say she falls it.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, falls down or, you know, just refuses to cut
01:16:47 --> 01:16:57 [UNKNOWN]: That's the old point of the Shadow System as I understand it is that there is always somebody ready to step up, take on a road, if the person doing that road can't do it anymore.
01:16:58 --> 01:17:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe it would just be, I mean, because it feels like the algorithm is on the brink of initiating the safeguard and just killing the silo regardless.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: So that's true.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:13 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, are we calling it the voice we calling it the algorithm?
01:17:13 --> 01:17:18 [UNKNOWN]: I'm when I say, when I, I'm calling what's literally the thing to think.
01:17:18 --> 01:17:26 [UNKNOWN]: So when I say the voice, I mean the voice that's speaking and when I say the algorithm, I mean these calculations we keep seeing happening about.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:33 [UNKNOWN]: Um, that's, you know, if Julia does this, then the silo has this percent chance of surviving that sort of thing.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:34 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay.
01:17:37 --> 01:17:48 [UNKNOWN]: And then we got, we got a lot of like trailer moments in this episode, including we finally got an answer to what Sims meant when he said to Julie at whatever you're going to do do it now.
01:17:49 --> 01:18:00 [UNKNOWN]: And that was the whole project sent Lucas and Patrick outside a Patrick though I was totally overestimating his logic skills.
01:18:00 --> 01:18:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's being a total last.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a lot like.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:12 [UNKNOWN]: like, but I am definitely shorting stocks in Patrick this week, like, just stop being sick and ask.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:29 [UNKNOWN]: Is it got his full on conspiracy theories vibe going, that he thinks that Trump's the lived experiences of these people around him, like, just Lucas's responses when Patrick's like, no, I think it's all line, Lucas is like, I don't know.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:37 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it's like, like we said for the last few weeks, Lucas does, like, his folks have just gone.
01:18:37 --> 01:18:50 [UNKNOWN]: He just, he just does, he just, like, I know more than anybody in this place apart from Bernard and I just can't be bothered explaining it to you people anymore.
01:18:50 --> 01:18:51 [UNKNOWN]: Really the believe me or you won't.
01:18:52 --> 01:19:05 [UNKNOWN]: But he does have folks in the important places, like he, you know, when Patrick is being an ass Lucas volunteers to go alone, but Juliette, she wants them both to go in case one dies, hopefully not foreshadowing.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:15 [UNKNOWN]: And Lucas calls Patrick out, I like that he's like, I don't get you, you spend three months screaming, let us out, and now you don't want to go out, so.
01:19:17 --> 01:19:32 [UNKNOWN]: And Patrick responds basically by calling himself the most selfish bastard in the silo and says he doesn't give a shit about the rest of it I want to go anywhere, but another fucking hole in the ground and the last part I sympathize with Yeah, but get the get the get the kids back to silo.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:35 [UNKNOWN]: Are you gene first Patrick and then you can do whatever the hell you want
01:19:36 --> 01:19:50 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, the deal is Julia says if Patrick can get Lucas at least is 17, he's free to do whatever he wants for there from there and, you know, he can go see for himself of the world is really dead everywhere.
01:19:50 --> 01:19:51 [UNKNOWN]: But, um,
01:19:52 --> 01:20:05 [UNKNOWN]: I think if I were Patrick, like, and I got Lucas to 17, and I just learned that other sellers existed, I would want to take a peek inside first, like you can always leave from there.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:08 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, he does go inside with your later buds.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he says Patrick says it's different for him than say Kathleen because he and Danny saw that video the the video from the hard drive of the cleaning that we know is a false video with the fake birds.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:34 [UNKNOWN]: But to Patrick he was just so convinced even though Juliet who's like, oh, yeah, I remember now that's a fake video Patrick is still like, la la la la, no, it's green out there.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:55 [UNKNOWN]: I think he's an example, we'll come back to this theme later, but I think there's this theme, like, and we also got that in the Mystery of the Pes book about hope, and the question of whether hope is a sustaining force or a destructive force, yeah, if it makes you pursue things that.
01:20:56 --> 01:20:56 [UNKNOWN]: are dangerous.
01:20:57 --> 01:21:07 [UNKNOWN]: And I think we're seeing Patrick here representing Hope as a destructive force where he just won't listen to reason because his hope is taken over.
01:21:07 --> 01:21:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's right.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:13 [UNKNOWN]: But also I do think like the, you know,
01:21:14 --> 01:21:17 [UNKNOWN]: the whole thing I just want to go anywhere but not another fucking hole in the ground.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:32 [UNKNOWN]: I think it is hope but it's also from his point of view it's a weird mixture of hope and despair because I genuinely don't think he, you know, he cares very much what happens to him.
01:21:32 --> 01:21:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think he just wants to, he just wants to, he just wants to, to know what's going on.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:45 [UNKNOWN]: You know, there's a whole scene like Ron, where they're talking about, where they're talking about the Adapacidaurus.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, also, so let's get into it.
01:21:47 --> 01:22:04 [UNKNOWN]: So I do, I do still really enjoy the banter between Patrick and Lucas, or I think what's going on at Kathleen asks, I'm going out, Patrick says, and then Lucas, like we're going out, and he'll get, we're going out real fine.
01:22:04 --> 01:22:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:06 --> 01:22:13 [UNKNOWN]: Um, it was nice to see because, you know, Patrick brought Danny into all of this in season one as a friend.
01:22:14 --> 01:22:16 [UNKNOWN]: So it was nice to see the basis of that friendship.
01:22:16 --> 01:22:20 [UNKNOWN]: And we see Danny is a bit more reasonable in this regard.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:22 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I just don't know what to believe basically.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: But then indeed, as you said, he reminded Patrick of Dear Darling Dead Doris and said, she would be excited for him.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:31 [UNKNOWN]: So do you want to talk more about that?
01:22:31 --> 01:22:32 [UNKNOWN]: conversation.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just you get an insight into into Patrick and Doris Kennedy's relationship.
01:22:40 --> 01:22:45 [UNKNOWN]: Well, actually, I don't know what they're married or not, but you're getting it.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:47 [UNKNOWN]: They were married, he said his wife before, right?
01:22:47 --> 01:23:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yes, he did, so yeah, you get an insight into their relationship, and the Doris was just as much of an outsider as Patrick.
01:23:02 --> 01:23:15 [UNKNOWN]: is and I don't mean outside of it in a sense of wanting to go out or that too, but I mean they were like thoroughly alienated from from the mainstream of silo 18 to silo 18 and they were quite happy.
01:23:16 --> 01:23:19 [UNKNOWN]: They were quite happy not going along with with.
01:23:20 --> 01:23:32 [UNKNOWN]: with the consensus basically, and you can tell that Patrick really, really loved Doris, like, for him, she was the smartest person he ever met, kind of thing.
01:23:33 --> 01:23:36 [UNKNOWN]: And they just seem to have complimented each other really well.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:44 [UNKNOWN]: If I get my Allison and Holston screen off, I want to see Patrick and Doris Kennedy in there as another couple as well.
01:23:45 --> 01:24:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what was nice to get this this I mean, I did wonder if we would find out more because we got a greater sense of her here where, um, yeah, he says we she'd only talk like that if she had a couple of drinks in her.
01:24:01 --> 01:24:04 [UNKNOWN]: Patrick said and Danny says Doris wouldn't actually say she wanted to go out.
01:24:05 --> 01:24:06 [UNKNOWN]: She was smarter than that.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:07 [UNKNOWN]: She was smarter than anybody.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:14 [UNKNOWN]: Patrick says and said, if she was ever sent out, she'd go out singing happy to be free even just for one fucking minute.
01:24:14 --> 01:24:20 [UNKNOWN]: So it's like in a way his irrationality is defending is is in memory of his wife.
01:24:21 --> 01:24:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, partly.
01:24:23 --> 01:24:24 [UNKNOWN]: Well,
01:24:25 --> 01:24:33 [UNKNOWN]: Um, some suit techs show up in this scene to help the two get ready to go out, which I'm first of all, I'm like more people in on the conspiracy.
01:24:33 --> 01:24:34 [UNKNOWN]: What do they do to who are they?
01:24:35 --> 01:24:44 [UNKNOWN]: I was mildly disappointed as a book reader that neither of them was introduced as Nelson, who is a suit tech in the book, who plays a minor role in the third book, it doesn't matter.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:52 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it would almost be easier at this point to main people who weren't in on the conspiracy to be honest.
01:24:53 --> 01:24:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:24:54 --> 01:25:00 [UNKNOWN]: but it does, so Julia, she switched after talking to Robert, she switched to urgently, early mode.
01:25:00 --> 01:25:08 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess this, my guess, and to tell me if you agree, is this is because she found out the forgetting drug is already in the water.
01:25:09 --> 01:25:17 [UNKNOWN]: And so she knows that the silo plans to make them all forget that the two men were even sent outside in the first place is that why you think,
01:25:18 --> 01:25:22 [UNKNOWN]: that she decided, um, actually we need to do this without Camille knowing.
01:25:23 --> 01:25:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's, I think it was less specific than that because I go back to there, it seems lying about it being low and slow.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:36 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't think, I don't think you would forget something as important as sending two people out very quickly.
01:25:37 --> 01:25:43 [UNKNOWN]: But, but yeah, she wants to speed this up to stop the forgetting drugs taking effect.
01:25:45 --> 01:25:48 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have any thoughts about when they wait to go out?
01:25:48 --> 01:26:01 [UNKNOWN]: And we've seen this before when Julia went out and Holston and Allison, there's a sort of like, missed or gas or spray that's released right before they go out.
01:26:01 --> 01:26:06 [UNKNOWN]: Do you, is that like something about prepping the error, pressure,
01:26:07 --> 01:26:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if we could get this in the next feedback episode, I assume it's the difference in pressure between the insides of the soil and the outside air.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, happy.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:26 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, if anybody, if anybody wants to comment on that, please do, because I'm not, I'm nothing close to an engineer, so.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:54 [UNKNOWN]: I was also I loved Lucas and Patrick once they do get outside and we see the sharp contrast where of course Lucas, Mr. Starman, is just overwhelmed by the night sky like it's definitely it's better than we see where in the places where we live today and yeah what's the best view of the night sky you've ever had?
01:26:55 --> 01:27:09 [UNKNOWN]: But a best few of the nights, when I was in Australia and we did like a little driving tour into the outback into the bush and yeah, you look up and there are just millions of stars.
01:27:09 --> 01:27:20 [UNKNOWN]: And then you can see, like it's the only time with the naked eye that I've ever been like really seen constellations really, really, you were like hundreds of miles away from anywhere.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was, yeah, it was an amazing experience.
01:27:27 --> 01:27:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll say for me, it was Easter Island for sure, because then you're in the middle of the ocean and you look up and you can see like pretty much like the colors of the Milky Way, you know, the sky has a texture.
01:27:45 --> 01:27:46 [UNKNOWN]: It's so rich with detail.
01:27:48 --> 01:27:50 [UNKNOWN]: You've been to Easter Island, that's incredible.
01:27:50 --> 01:27:51 [UNKNOWN]: That's really cool.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:27:53 --> 01:28:03 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you and I were talking about the eclipse that neither of us really got a chance to see us today, and I said, I saw a full eclipse a few years ago.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:14 [UNKNOWN]: If anyone who doesn't know there was an eclipse on Thursday in there was visible in Europe, not a full eclipse, although, like I think in Spain, they got pretty close, for example.
01:28:19 --> 01:28:37 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I didn't I couldn't didn't have time to go out and like take a peek at it But I was saying to you Luke that I I did get to see a full eclipse in South America a few years ago And so when I was I was in Chile for the eclipse and then I just looked up like what would it cost to just fly over to Easter Island for a few days?
01:28:38 --> 01:28:44 [UNKNOWN]: And the flight itself was only 300 so I decided to jump on it So it was like kind of off season so I was really glad that I did it.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's one of my favorite places I've ever been
01:28:47 --> 01:28:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's amazing.
01:28:49 --> 01:28:50 [UNKNOWN]: And I got to see really cool night sky.
01:28:52 --> 01:29:08 [UNKNOWN]: But of course, for Lucas, yeah, it's like, he's like, it's a lot bigger than I expected, which is an interesting contrast with Patrick, who's not looking up this guy, but he's looking around at the ruined earth around him and he says, it's just nothing.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:16 [UNKNOWN]: There's just nothing and it's just such a clear difference in their characters.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is, I'm sorry that I put this in the notes, but I have to ask, did you wave to Holston and Allison when they passed them on the hill?
01:29:27 --> 01:29:35 [UNKNOWN]: I did not wave to Holston and I wasn't, but I did have a, I did have a, I had, I had a quiet moment of reflection.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because they're, they're looking, they're looking distinctly worse from where, but I
01:29:43 --> 01:29:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I'm afraid nobody's roll-calling them or putting it.
01:29:49 --> 01:29:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we the APB is out on them.
01:29:51 --> 01:29:54 [UNKNOWN]: They've ever found No, they're not going to be a glory.
01:29:54 --> 01:29:55 [UNKNOWN]: They're not going to do a glory.
01:29:56 --> 01:29:57 [UNKNOWN]: They're not going to do a glory.
01:29:57 --> 01:29:58 [UNKNOWN]: I don't already damn me.
01:29:58 --> 01:29:59 [UNKNOWN]: They are dead.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:00 [UNKNOWN]: They are dead.
01:30:00 --> 01:30:00 [UNKNOWN]: They are dead.
01:30:00 --> 01:30:01 [UNKNOWN]: They are dead.
01:30:02 --> 01:30:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:30:03 --> 01:30:08 [UNKNOWN]: But the worst horror show is over the hill when they find the Silas 17 bodies.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:10 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought both actors.
01:30:10 --> 01:30:18 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure they were looking at nothing, but they did a great job of portraying the horror of seeing a sea of corpses that they have to wait through in front of them.
01:30:23 --> 01:30:32 [UNKNOWN]: I think this, what did you think about so for, then from most of the episode, we are told that they were just dead.
01:30:34 --> 01:30:35 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't believe it for a second.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:36 [UNKNOWN]: I did hear that.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:45 [UNKNOWN]: No, I was, I mean, we still don't know if Lucas is okay, but I was always confident that they weren't going to kill off Lucas.
01:30:45 --> 01:30:54 [UNKNOWN]: I was less confident about Patrick Kennedy because it did feel more like a natural end to his story arc.
01:30:55 --> 01:30:58 [UNKNOWN]: and I'm still not sure he makes it back to silo 18.
01:30:59 --> 01:31:06 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm pretty convinced that Lucas is too interesting and too integral I character to be killed off at this point.
01:31:09 --> 01:31:12 [UNKNOWN]: Julie adds response to this whole thing.
01:31:12 --> 01:31:17 [UNKNOWN]: She believes it, but it's anger, it's her response, which is very Julie out of her.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:21 [UNKNOWN]: But Caitlyn Zaz is the Kathleen, is the one who almost made me cry.
01:31:21 --> 01:31:27 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, I know, it isn't dead, but when you cry like that, I want to cry like that, too.
01:31:29 --> 01:31:33 [UNKNOWN]: But okay, here's some some questions, so we here, all right.
01:31:33 --> 01:31:36 [UNKNOWN]: So we know they have the radios, they have their secret channel.
01:31:36 --> 01:31:44 [UNKNOWN]: They don't have video feeds as I was positing in our episode six breakdown that maybe they do is just blank Pfizer's fine, they have radio contact.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:58 [UNKNOWN]: on their private channel and code names where Martha's dispatch, Lucas is deputy turly, Juliette is crane, Patrick is Calso, and Teddy in silo 18 also gets the codename donny.
01:31:58 --> 01:32:07 [UNKNOWN]: So that it sounds like, if silo one listens in, it sounds like it's just random people in some other silo talking to each other, although I do wonder,
01:32:07 --> 01:32:17 [UNKNOWN]: they must be on to them because we hear this this buzzing, as you said, and you're assuming it's drones, it sounds like drone buzzing.
01:32:18 --> 01:32:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:32:19 --> 01:32:25 [UNKNOWN]: But what did you think about the fact that in the wasteland there seemed to be a swarm of nats in the light of the flashlight?
01:32:25 --> 01:32:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's interesting because it does mean that some life, some life can survive in whatever has happened to the atmosphere.
01:32:37 --> 01:32:52 [UNKNOWN]: And also like, you know, as far as I know, like, Nats don't, you know, Nats don't respire on aerobic or they are, there is oxygen.
01:32:53 --> 01:32:58 [UNKNOWN]: worth in the atmosphere, if they really aren't nuts, I just said that.
01:32:58 --> 01:33:02 [UNKNOWN]: It's not, you know, if they really aren't nuts, I'm not sure.
01:33:02 --> 01:33:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that that would be interesting because it does mean that there is, there is some, there is, the atmosphere is capable of supporting some type of life, even if it's not capable of supporting human life.
01:33:14 --> 01:33:16 [UNKNOWN]: If that is what it is, yeah, if that is
01:33:18 --> 01:33:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, do you think, I guess Camille probably believes that they haven't really made it to the other silo because the voice told herself, but what does the voice think happen?
01:33:30 --> 01:33:34 [UNKNOWN]: Like, are there cameras out there if those word drones are there cameras on the drones?
01:33:34 --> 01:33:38 [UNKNOWN]: Like, the voice must know they're not really dead, right?
01:33:44 --> 01:33:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would think so.
01:33:46 --> 01:33:51 [UNKNOWN]: I can't imagine why would it what if they are drones, why would they not be cameras on them?
01:33:52 --> 01:33:53 [UNKNOWN]: Like that just makes no sense.
01:33:55 --> 01:33:56 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, yeah, no, probably you're right.
01:33:57 --> 01:33:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, probably there's cameras on the drones, yeah.
01:34:00 --> 01:34:00 [UNKNOWN]: So.
01:34:03 --> 01:34:08 [UNKNOWN]: The only thing that the only thing I'm thinking is maybe that feed goes to silo one.
01:34:09 --> 01:34:19 [UNKNOWN]: And silo one gets to edit what the AIs in the other silo's C. I mean, Camille didn't see anything, so I'm asking.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:23 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, I'm saying, I'm saying that they might have edited it for the voices.
01:34:24 --> 01:34:26 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the voice doesn't know what really happened.
01:34:26 --> 01:34:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:34:27 --> 01:34:30 [UNKNOWN]: So someone else, like the voice's boss or something.
01:34:30 --> 01:34:40 [UNKNOWN]: exactly like the whatever it is sitting until a one might be able to edit the camera footage for the benefit of the album and the voice.
01:34:42 --> 01:34:45 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, or the voice just could be lying, but then... Oh, the voice could just be lying.
01:34:45 --> 01:34:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:34:46 --> 01:34:47 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, but then to what end.
01:34:47 --> 01:34:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:34:48 --> 01:34:49 [UNKNOWN]: And I wonder which channel are they on?
01:34:49 --> 01:34:50 [UNKNOWN]: Are they on 17?
01:34:50 --> 01:34:59 [UNKNOWN]: Because then, like, because if Silent One's monitoring, I guess Silent One wouldn't necessarily check in on a dead channel, but if they did, they would be surprised to hear people talking.
01:34:59 --> 01:35:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:00 --> 01:35:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:03 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah.
01:35:03 --> 01:35:08 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, like, clearly, if they do, they've decided that the kids
01:35:13 --> 01:35:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it doesn't sound like kids on the radio.
01:35:18 --> 01:35:20 [UNKNOWN]: It sounds like adults doing adult things.
01:35:21 --> 01:35:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:35:22 --> 01:35:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:23 --> 01:35:25 [UNKNOWN]: Doing repairs and normal silo activities.
01:35:25 --> 01:35:26 [UNKNOWN]: No, sorry.
01:35:26 --> 01:35:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
01:35:26 --> 01:35:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think we're talking about the cameras.
01:35:29 --> 01:35:30 [UNKNOWN]: Inside $17.
01:35:30 --> 01:35:32 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, I think those are gone.
01:35:33 --> 01:35:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:33 --> 01:35:33 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:35:34 --> 01:35:44 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think like they're I assume, like I said, in the books, um, there was cameras when it went down, but those just kind of stopped working over the decades in between.
01:35:45 --> 01:35:48 [UNKNOWN]: So it would make, yeah, it would make sense to me that it just stopped working.
01:35:49 --> 01:35:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:49 --> 01:35:50 [UNKNOWN]: Salah one.
01:35:50 --> 01:35:51 [UNKNOWN]: Just yeah.
01:35:51 --> 01:35:52 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, it's dead.
01:35:52 --> 01:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: Check.
01:35:53 --> 01:35:56 [UNKNOWN]: Although now they've heard that there are kids there.
01:35:56 --> 01:35:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:56 --> 01:35:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:56 --> 01:36:00 [UNKNOWN]: That he did does kind of worry me that maybe someone even saw a lot of one in Sunday.
01:36:01 --> 01:36:05 [UNKNOWN]: They might pump more gas in or well, they can't.
01:36:05 --> 01:36:07 [UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe they can because it's not blocked anymore.
01:36:08 --> 01:36:11 [UNKNOWN]: But maybe it's why we're doing why would they stop being blocked?
01:36:13 --> 01:36:24 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm just thinking it's been like at least a couple of decades probably, so whatever was blocking it might fall out or deteriorate it, I guess.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:25 [UNKNOWN]: But it might not have.
01:36:26 --> 01:36:27 [UNKNOWN]: am I not of?
01:36:28 --> 01:36:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so yeah, it does kind of raise the interesting question assuming whoever or whatever is in silent one is behind all this would they then send somebody to eliminate, somebody or something to eliminate your kit.
01:36:44 --> 01:36:44 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:36:45 --> 01:36:46 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's scary.
01:36:46 --> 01:36:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, good to see deputy Jerry accounted for and indeed that punished for not wardening, Julie at well.
01:36:56 --> 01:36:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he's definitely on team, Julie at that.
01:36:58 --> 01:36:59 [UNKNOWN]: He's that easy for us.
01:36:59 --> 01:37:02 [UNKNOWN]: He is, yeah, what he is, yeah, I know the conspirator.
01:37:03 --> 01:37:19 [UNKNOWN]: Although I wonder with the way he's allowed to continue to be on team Juliet, despite not like watching her well, I wonder if Camille is, um, yeah, has that because she thinks like she can get information from him later or something like that's perfectly possible.
01:37:20 --> 01:37:22 [UNKNOWN]: He might be an unknowing sleeper spy or something.
01:37:23 --> 01:37:26 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think Jerry would make a very good spy,
01:37:34 --> 01:37:48 [UNKNOWN]: I think the best, the best exchange this episode was Patrick, was like when Martha's giving the radio instructions and Patrick's like an annoying kid like, hey, hey, are you going to be able to hear me and Martha's like, I hope not.
01:37:52 --> 01:37:57 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm sorry, the best exchange of this episode is definitely the one about the unicorn.
01:37:58 --> 01:37:59 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay, fair.
01:37:59 --> 01:38:00 [UNKNOWN]: From the early wrong.
01:38:01 --> 01:38:03 [UNKNOWN]: All right, best silo 18 exchange this episode.
01:38:03 --> 01:38:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:38:05 --> 01:38:10 [UNKNOWN]: But this exchange goes down for size that it was supposed to be Lucas that she heard from.
01:38:10 --> 01:38:10 [UNKNOWN]: And
01:38:11 --> 01:38:36 [UNKNOWN]: So it's Patrick who's on the radio at the very end of the episode and he says we had a little bit of a situation here, but the kids are all right, but he says he says nothing about Lucas and then later we do see Julia picks up the radio to talk to Kennedy and I presume she's about to ask about Lucas, so I'm sure we'll find out next episode, but it is worrying that you didn't respond.
01:38:37 --> 01:38:44 [UNKNOWN]: All I will say is based on what I've seen on Blue Sky, Abby will not be happy, if Blue doesn't bit the dust.
01:38:45 --> 01:38:48 [UNKNOWN]: You're going to have a pretty explosive book club.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't think any of us really.
01:38:52 --> 01:38:55 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's, yeah, not even a book sport thing to say.
01:38:55 --> 01:38:58 [UNKNOWN]: I doubt, I think we all doubt that he would be dead.
01:38:58 --> 01:39:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, no, no, I think it would be, would you be eliminating an interesting character before they're telling?
01:39:04 --> 01:39:06 [UNKNOWN]: But presumably, he is at least
01:39:07 --> 01:39:09 [UNKNOWN]: gravely wounded or seriously wounded.
01:39:10 --> 01:39:10 [UNKNOWN]: Possibly, yeah.
01:39:11 --> 01:39:12 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:39:12 --> 01:39:19 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I said that we would circle back to your definition of a sortie as you laid out, which is that you must make it back.
01:39:20 --> 01:39:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I call this the secret sortie.
01:39:22 --> 01:39:26 [UNKNOWN]: And the question is, do we think they'll make it back?
01:39:26 --> 01:39:36 [UNKNOWN]: Will Lucas, Jimmy, Patrick, and the kids be able to get back physically, algorithmically, silo one, Ellie, what do you think?
01:39:37 --> 01:39:38 [UNKNOWN]: We'll happen to them from here.
01:39:40 --> 01:39:49 [UNKNOWN]: I think for the final three episodes of the season three, there's a very good chance that they are stuck in Silent Seventeen.
01:39:50 --> 01:40:00 [UNKNOWN]: And I could see a scenario where Lucas is using the vault and all the things in it in Silent Seventeen.
01:40:01 --> 01:40:03 [UNKNOWN]: The archive, I can't remember what they call it to
01:40:09 --> 01:40:23 [UNKNOWN]: Because you may be like, well, well, actually, we know that, that, like, iPads thing, the anarchode Lucas in season two, we know that there is a similar thing in solo 17 and you could use it that way.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we don't know if that's still functional though, if the algorithm shut down over there.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:29 [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
01:40:30 --> 01:40:36 [UNKNOWN]: So they might only have things that are physically, like the books that were physically on the shelves and things like that in the other side.
01:40:36 --> 01:40:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe.
01:40:40 --> 01:40:47 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, this is a good place for a quick pause and when we come back, we will get into that separation between the Sims.
01:40:51 --> 01:40:53 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, a separation between the Sims.
01:40:54 --> 01:41:03 [UNKNOWN]: Robert was back in bed from his meeting with Julia before his wife Camille Alexandria Riley stopped by, but they both knew she knew that he was still up to things.
01:41:04 --> 01:41:12 [UNKNOWN]: Her keyfob soon buzzes, the voice is paging her to notify her that Lucas and Patrick, quote-unquote, have been neutralized.
01:41:12 --> 01:41:21 [UNKNOWN]: The voice tells her that it knows Juliet is trying to stop the safeguard, but Silo 17, the sea of bodies outside of it, is proof that she cannot.
01:41:22 --> 01:41:26 [UNKNOWN]: That silo only bought themselves an extra moment before they too died.
01:41:27 --> 01:41:31 [UNKNOWN]: The voice asks her to find out whether this really is Juliet's plan.
01:41:32 --> 01:41:45 [UNKNOWN]: Camille tells Juliet the men had a suit malfunction and Juliet lies to Camille saying she's not hiding anything either, saving the kids was her only plan and she doesn't know what happened to silo 17 to make it like this.
01:41:46 --> 01:41:52 [UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, it's picture day at Anthony School and Camille insists he wear a jacket to look sharp.
01:41:53 --> 01:42:03 [UNKNOWN]: Robert is against the idea if Anthony is, until Sandy shows up at his door to ask for passes for judicial for a plan they want to enact, which we will get back to separately in a bit.
01:42:04 --> 01:42:14 [UNKNOWN]: Now, Rob suddenly insists his son bring a jacket to school after all, just in case to please his mother, while Sandy runs to get a new jacket for him from recycling.
01:42:15 --> 01:42:21 [UNKNOWN]: She drops the new jacket off its school, trading it for Anthony's old jacket, which she explains to his teacher no longer fits.
01:42:21 --> 01:42:28 [UNKNOWN]: Running back downstairs with the jacket, Team Silovender's finds the requested passes in the pocket.
01:42:28 --> 01:42:33 [UNKNOWN]: but when Anthony gets home, Camille, of course, clocks that it's a different jacket he's carrying.
01:42:34 --> 01:42:42 [UNKNOWN]: She asks Rob to go with her after dinner to judicial seclusion where nurse Amy, Jacqueline Berses, is being kept looking rather beat up.
01:42:44 --> 01:42:47 [UNKNOWN]: She wants him to be witness to a round of questioning.
01:42:47 --> 01:42:50 [UNKNOWN]: But really, she wants to have a private confrontation.
01:42:51 --> 01:42:54 [UNKNOWN]: She's mad, he used their son and his silovenger games.
01:42:55 --> 01:42:58 [UNKNOWN]: She's mad, he hasn't stopped whatever he's up to.
01:42:59 --> 01:43:02 [UNKNOWN]: She pulls a gun and points it at Amy demanding the truth.
01:43:03 --> 01:43:09 [UNKNOWN]: Robert Mitz, he's done worse, but says their son deserves at least one non-murdering parent.
01:43:11 --> 01:43:19 [UNKNOWN]: So, we even worried about this couple all season, I guess this peak worry can they come back from this brink?
01:43:20 --> 01:43:30 [UNKNOWN]: Not only that, but in that scene, you described earlier on Julia and Camilla literally both ready to shoot the other.
01:43:30 --> 01:43:34 [UNKNOWN]: True, it looks looks like they're ready to shoot the other anyway.
01:43:35 --> 01:43:36 [UNKNOWN]: They have hands on guns, yeah.
01:43:37 --> 01:43:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, tensions are at a peak.
01:43:39 --> 01:43:46 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and I just want to say the whole thing about what the voice said about the safeguard not working.
01:43:46 --> 01:43:47 [UNKNOWN]: Like yes, it's true.
01:43:47 --> 01:43:59 [UNKNOWN]: There's a sea of dead outside of silo 17, but ended and granted, Camille says she doesn't know if she believes Juliet on this, but there are people still alive inside.
01:44:00 --> 01:44:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so the site card didn't work completely.
01:44:04 --> 01:44:04 [UNKNOWN]: right.
01:44:05 --> 01:44:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or yeah, it's still, it still hasn't been made clear what that is, but whatever it is, didn't happen at all inside, and it's only the people who went outside who died, it seems, or didn't last.
01:44:18 --> 01:44:23 [UNKNOWN]: But no, it seems, I mean, we know there were people wandering around inside for decades, because that's where the kids parents were.
01:44:23 --> 01:44:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:44:27 --> 01:44:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, how much did we like it like you say we still don't know how many I mean it did If you go back to the first episode of the season two, it did look like the majority Absolutely the large majority of people left silo 17 but certainly yeah, all of them But it's because they went outside you know like whatever They did to present the safeguard inside doesn't Didn't magically make it safe for them to go outside as they might have passed
01:44:53 --> 01:44:55 [UNKNOWN]: because, again, the green was still alive.
01:44:55 --> 01:45:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think back to Camille, I think back to Camille in the end of season one when she let Juliet go after she broke into their house to use the hard drive because they needed she needed a judicial connection.
01:45:12 --> 01:45:19 [UNKNOWN]: And I thought at the time when I still think that Camille did it out of empathy as much as anything else.
01:45:19 --> 01:45:21 [UNKNOWN]: But now, she's gone full cold.
01:45:22 --> 01:45:25 [UNKNOWN]: Like she tells Julia, two of your friends died.
01:45:25 --> 01:45:28 [UNKNOWN]: That's what happens when you rush, because
01:45:29 --> 01:45:47 [UNKNOWN]: like which is rich of her okay she's saying that because Juliet you know sent them out before the dawn planned upon time but Camille knows full well that they were going to be killed and that the best opportunity for their survival was to send them out ahead of time before
01:45:55 --> 01:46:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, we should have we should have had more time to make the suits bulletproof But that's the question is she heard the gunfire because they were talking to them on the radio But the voice didn't tell Camille about he just said neutralized.
01:46:09 --> 01:46:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah It just said neutralized the voice.
01:46:12 --> 01:46:18 [UNKNOWN]: They did make the voice sound mail There's been jokes about that such a sound when they could do
01:46:21 --> 01:46:22 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
01:46:22 --> 01:46:35 [UNKNOWN]: So the question is, did going early actually save them in the end regardless because it gave at least we know Patrick got inside and presumably they had a head start to do that.
01:46:35 --> 01:46:38 [UNKNOWN]: Like maybe they got further than what of before.
01:46:38 --> 01:46:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:46:40 --> 01:46:41 [UNKNOWN]: Whatever the assess and squad
01:46:47 --> 01:46:56 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, but I do wonder how they survived, like, did they, if there's gun shooting, I guess they were far enough away, they could make a run for it.
01:46:56 --> 01:47:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe, but it's not, it's not because they would still have to, like, is the door to the top of sidewalk 17 still open or did it close after Julia left?
01:47:10 --> 01:47:18 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was prop to open, she had to pry it open a bit, but it was already somewhat prop to open by the some dead bodies.
01:47:18 --> 01:47:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but she didn't have to, like, you didn't have to, like, force it open quite quite a bit.
01:47:23 --> 01:47:28 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm just wondering is it like, proper since she left, is it like properly open?
01:47:29 --> 01:47:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, because she did leave again, but you, I mean, on the one hand, you would think she would want to close it behind her.
01:47:34 --> 01:47:36 [UNKNOWN]: I guess we didn't see her do that though.
01:47:36 --> 01:47:49 [UNKNOWN]: I guess I think in the book, the thing, when like when she went back, it was just more about making sure that the cafeteria had had, you know, the uptop cafeteria had a,
01:47:51 --> 01:47:54 [UNKNOWN]: layers to protect or from the outside air getting in.
01:47:55 --> 01:48:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the door was just like blown, I mean, you know, not blown, but just like you, that door don't work no more.
01:48:05 --> 01:48:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a door anymore, it's used to be a door.
01:48:07 --> 01:48:08 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:48:09 --> 01:48:11 [UNKNOWN]: Just a partial obstacle.
01:48:11 --> 01:48:15 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I hope we see what happened from that.
01:48:15 --> 01:48:16 [UNKNOWN]: But I don't know.
01:48:16 --> 01:48:23 [UNKNOWN]: I'm from a practical filming standpoint that might be an expensive and difficult shot to show them like action style getting in.
01:48:24 --> 01:48:26 [UNKNOWN]: But I still hope a little bit for it next episode.
01:48:26 --> 01:48:28 [UNKNOWN]: If we don't get it next episode, I don't think we will.
01:48:28 --> 01:48:30 [UNKNOWN]: But I think we will find out next episode.
01:48:31 --> 01:48:32 [UNKNOWN]: What happened there?
01:48:35 --> 01:48:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's let's hope so.
01:48:36 --> 01:48:36 [UNKNOWN]: I really hope.
01:48:37 --> 01:48:40 [UNKNOWN]: And to be fair, so I love doesn't usually do this.
01:48:40 --> 01:48:44 [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't usually leave cliffhangers hanging too long.
01:48:44 --> 01:48:47 [UNKNOWN]: It normally resolves them quite expeditiously.
01:48:47 --> 01:48:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and we did, you know, I was worried as we got to her at the end of the episode that we weren't going to hear back from from them and they were just going to let us think they were dead for weeks.
01:48:57 --> 01:49:00 [UNKNOWN]: So I was glad that we at least got Patrick being like, you know.
01:49:02 --> 01:49:04 [UNKNOWN]: but he can't talk, he has to talk in code.
01:49:04 --> 01:49:19 [UNKNOWN]: So, but then we also told Julia pointedly pick up the radio to talk to him, so that I'm assuming we'll pick right up from that conversation with her being like, so what happened to whatever Lucas's code name was, you know, that's what he's saying.
01:49:21 --> 01:49:21 [UNKNOWN]: The kids are all right.
01:49:21 --> 01:49:24 [UNKNOWN]: What about their parents, meaning Jim.
01:49:24 --> 01:49:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
01:49:27 --> 01:49:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I'm assuming,
01:49:30 --> 01:49:34 [UNKNOWN]: Steve's on next episode got to be right got to be.
01:49:34 --> 01:49:34 [UNKNOWN]: Please.
01:49:35 --> 01:49:39 [UNKNOWN]: I just want to know he's okay, bless it.
01:49:40 --> 01:49:48 [UNKNOWN]: I do what if they did like a flashback for this for episode eights of what's meanwhile in Silent of 17.
01:49:48 --> 01:49:49 [UNKNOWN]: This is what's happening.
01:49:49 --> 01:49:49 [UNKNOWN]: Oh
01:49:50 --> 01:49:56 [UNKNOWN]: and then we have to wait to the end of the episode to find out like how Patrick and stuff got in.
01:49:56 --> 01:50:04 [UNKNOWN]: I guess that would be cool, but I've only got three episodes left this season, let's crack on people, let's move it along, keep the place a bit.
01:50:04 --> 01:50:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I mean, I think the pace is quite good personally, but we haven't, I've gotten anything from Sally 17, so I wouldn't, I hope that they will give us some
01:50:15 --> 01:50:17 [UNKNOWN]: at least catch us up with a montage and opening montage.
01:50:18 --> 01:50:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, even Rocky had a montage.
01:50:23 --> 01:50:29 [UNKNOWN]: They can play eye of the tiger while they're just kidding.
01:50:30 --> 01:50:41 [UNKNOWN]: But back in silo 18, it's picture days I said at Anthony school and it's yeah, we saw apparently they do this every five years and they literally paint a class portrait because of course they do.
01:50:41 --> 01:50:42 [UNKNOWN]: Most people don't have cameras.
01:50:44 --> 01:50:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although getting a bunch of, getting a bunch of kids to stay with that while it's going to be a bit of a challenge.
01:50:51 --> 01:50:55 [UNKNOWN]: Well, although we saw the last portrait from five years earlier, there were two teachers.
01:50:55 --> 01:50:57 [UNKNOWN]: It looks, I've started to look up the names.
01:50:57 --> 01:51:00 [UNKNOWN]: It looked like a Ms. Lawson maybe and a Ms. Brooks.
01:51:00 --> 01:51:02 [UNKNOWN]: And I was trying to see, I was like, Lawson, that feel like...
01:51:03 --> 01:51:19 [UNKNOWN]: somebody's last name was lost and but i couldn't find it i did find there is a deputy brooks in one episode of season one so uh that was a good time share of station so could be that was a man this this could have also this could this could have been yeah could have been a relation
01:51:20 --> 01:51:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it could have been a relation or a wife or something.
01:51:22 --> 01:51:32 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, but the teacher we saw Sandy talking to was a man was someone else and seemed like a youngish man So like five years earlier.
01:51:32 --> 01:51:35 [UNKNOWN]: He probably would have been a teenager maybe, so yeah
01:51:36 --> 01:51:39 [UNKNOWN]: But it was interesting, there are the two teachers and only six kids in the portrait.
01:51:39 --> 01:51:43 [UNKNOWN]: So it made me wonder, like, how many schools are in the silo?
01:51:44 --> 01:51:47 [UNKNOWN]: Are they also sparse or is this an uptop thing?
01:51:47 --> 01:51:51 [UNKNOWN]: Because we've seen larger groups of kids being led around elsewhere.
01:51:51 --> 01:52:00 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I don't know, it did sort of make me wonder, like, how many years are you in school?
01:52:02 --> 01:52:09 [UNKNOWN]: before you are sort of found out to a particular role in, you know, shadowing somebody.
01:52:10 --> 01:52:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I maybe that depends because we know, we know from the, um, mystery of the peasant book that Sims joined judicial at 18.
01:52:18 --> 01:52:19 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe that's a thing.
01:52:20 --> 01:52:23 [UNKNOWN]: You graduated 18 and joined Europe.
01:52:23 --> 01:52:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:24 --> 01:52:29 [UNKNOWN]: But if Anthony got kicked out of school, he would be kicked straight to supply supply.
01:52:29 --> 01:52:36 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, maybe it's maybe it's an up top down deep thing that they're in school for different lengths of time.
01:52:37 --> 01:52:37 [UNKNOWN]: And it's also interesting.
01:52:38 --> 01:52:43 [UNKNOWN]: I thought I think this was the same when we saw Anthony's classroom a few episodes ago.
01:52:43 --> 01:52:51 [UNKNOWN]: I think it was also labeled then the Daisy's classroom, which is what his school portrait from five years ago was labeled Daisy's classroom.
01:52:51 --> 01:52:57 [UNKNOWN]: So it seems like you just stay in the same class as you age.
01:52:58 --> 01:53:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's not like, this is, you know, your first grade class and then you switch for the next year or something.
01:53:05 --> 01:53:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:53:06 --> 01:53:11 [UNKNOWN]: Which I guess makes sense because there's probably not that many kids in the silo really.
01:53:11 --> 01:53:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:53:12 --> 01:53:15 [UNKNOWN]: And also, you know, spaces that are premium as well.
01:53:15 --> 01:53:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:53:16 --> 01:53:19 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if class size is much smaller in the up top.
01:53:19 --> 01:53:20 [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.
01:53:21 --> 01:53:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I wouldn't be surprised.
01:53:23 --> 01:53:26 [UNKNOWN]: We would very much sort of fit in with the social structure established.
01:53:27 --> 01:53:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:53:28 --> 01:53:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:53:29 --> 01:53:45 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I felt for Anthony, you know, he's at that age where you want to be cool and not a kiddie, so he's like throwing a temper tantrum about the the jacket and when he gets home, he's upset that he's the only one who even brought a jacket, which obviously isn't really a big deal.
01:53:45 --> 01:53:46 [UNKNOWN]: He could just not wear it.
01:53:46 --> 01:53:51 [UNKNOWN]: His dad told him, you can just not wear it, but I don't think that's what he's really upset about actually.
01:53:52 --> 01:53:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a bad jacket.
01:53:53 --> 01:53:55 [UNKNOWN]: He's just upset about the entire situation.
01:53:56 --> 01:54:19 [UNKNOWN]: And I don't think, yeah, and it's the jacket and Anthony is just another reason for Robert and Camille to bicker over their son like it's it's about control it's about who's controlling things like Robert says don't make him and she says this is your decision now and he says I was thinking it was his And she's like fight whatever and stalks off
01:54:22 --> 01:54:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:54:23 --> 01:54:24 [UNKNOWN]: All the sims is.
01:54:25 --> 01:54:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then right after she stalks off, I hope she at least like with smart enough to like wait.
01:54:31 --> 01:54:33 [UNKNOWN]: I guess that's why the timing is the timing.
01:54:33 --> 01:54:35 [UNKNOWN]: She waited until come you left.
01:54:35 --> 01:54:39 [UNKNOWN]: Sandy comes knocking at the door and like, Sandy, this seems stupid.
01:54:41 --> 01:54:43 [UNKNOWN]: I guess Sandy's known as a member of
01:54:44 --> 01:54:46 [UNKNOWN]: We've seen her in judicial gear.
01:54:47 --> 01:54:49 [UNKNOWN]: We know she used to work for the deputy's office.
01:54:50 --> 01:54:58 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess like there could be she's visiting in an official capacity and she's obviously not known publicly as an outsider.
01:54:59 --> 01:55:01 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe or maybe not, Camille in the voice.
01:55:01 --> 01:55:03 [UNKNOWN]: I guess not because they didn't know who the outsider's were.
01:55:05 --> 01:55:07 [UNKNOWN]: But still seems dumb for her to come knocking in the door, right?
01:55:08 --> 01:55:11 [UNKNOWN]: But also I think it's desperate circumstances
01:55:15 --> 01:55:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they sort of feel like they're running out of time to prevent the safe guard.
01:55:20 --> 01:55:24 [UNKNOWN]: So yes, it is dumb, but I also think they are kind of running out of options.
01:55:25 --> 01:55:26 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:55:26 --> 01:55:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:28 --> 01:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I think Robert is rightfully mad about it.
01:55:30 --> 01:55:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:55:31 --> 01:55:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, my, although Julia said, there's no camera in there.
01:55:36 --> 01:55:40 [UNKNOWN]: I guess Robert told them that, but Anthony's there.
01:55:40 --> 01:55:42 [UNKNOWN]: Anthony knows that she came to visit.
01:55:42 --> 01:55:44 [UNKNOWN]: And now he sees it as dad's mad about it.
01:55:44 --> 01:55:51 [UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, would he tell his mom or is he maybe feeling closer to his dad than his mom these days?
01:55:53 --> 01:55:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:55:53 --> 01:55:55 [UNKNOWN]: That is a very good question.
01:55:55 --> 01:55:56 [UNKNOWN]: The honest answer is I don't know.
01:55:58 --> 01:56:12 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, Anthony knows the jacket plan changed when Sandy showed up, but he didn't need to tell his mom about that, because as soon as Robert handed Camille the other jacket, I was like, I know moms, and there's a 0% chance she won't notice that's a different jacket.
01:56:12 --> 01:56:16 [UNKNOWN]: And of course she did, yeah, it's all of two seconds.
01:56:18 --> 01:56:39 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and this is also where we get the specifics that Sandy climbed a hundred levels to ask for these judicial passes favor thing and then later we see her back downstairs out of breath and we get then Teddy says you okay and she says you know the last time I did that many stairs in one day never I've never done that so
01:56:41 --> 01:56:44 [UNKNOWN]: Checkpacking acknowledge, are we all okay now?
01:56:44 --> 01:56:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's not, it's not jetpacking, it's just a lot of cardio.
01:56:48 --> 01:56:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:56:50 --> 01:56:51 [UNKNOWN]: It was like day for her.
01:56:52 --> 01:56:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:56:55 --> 01:57:02 [UNKNOWN]: Now I said in the summary that it was recycling that Sandy got the jacket from but was it like I don't think it was the marketplace.
01:57:02 --> 01:57:05 [UNKNOWN]: It was just kind of people standing in the corridor making trades.
01:57:05 --> 01:57:06 [UNKNOWN]: It looked almost.
01:57:06 --> 01:57:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I just thought it was like Clandestine.
01:57:09 --> 01:57:12 [UNKNOWN]: It was like some sort of info like a black market.
01:57:13 --> 01:57:14 [UNKNOWN]: It's not black market.
01:57:14 --> 01:57:15 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't take it as a black market.
01:57:15 --> 01:57:21 [UNKNOWN]: I just thought it was like some informal place where people could come and trade in that alternate.
01:57:22 --> 01:57:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe the the markets too far down probably and this is like up toppers can quickly do things.
01:57:29 --> 01:57:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:57:30 --> 01:57:30 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:57:32 --> 01:57:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and we got our nurse Amy answer.
01:57:35 --> 01:57:44 [UNKNOWN]: So I guess there was no drug memory drug in the job that she gave Emerson because nurse Amy sure got in trouble for it.
01:57:45 --> 01:58:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude
01:58:11 --> 01:58:34 [UNKNOWN]: these, these games you're playing, whatever you in the style of Avengers are doing, they have real consequences and she told him like, I might have to do something to you and I think she's nearing worry of that becoming real and so she's trying to emphasize with bringing him there in the first place, with pointing the gun at Amy, she's trying to emphasize like, you are the one who put Amy in this position.
01:58:34 --> 01:58:38 [UNKNOWN]: This is your fault because you won't stop doing this stuff.
01:58:39 --> 01:58:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and yeah, so I don't think she would have gone through with it personally, but obviously that's I think your interpretation is going to be based on what you think of Camille at this point.
01:58:51 --> 01:58:55 [UNKNOWN]: I think that I think there was a 50, 50 chance she would have gone through it.
01:58:56 --> 01:58:58 [UNKNOWN]: I certainly think she is reaching the end of her tabo.
01:58:59 --> 01:59:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like she has been under pressure from like the first minute of this season and I think she is starting to crack.
01:59:09 --> 01:59:13 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, hmm, hmm, all right.
01:59:13 --> 01:59:36 [UNKNOWN]: Well, speaking of people who are trying to get other people to crack, let's maneuver through a mind field of machinations where Sheriff Paul Billings, Chinoza Uche, and Deputy Hank Murphy, Billy Possil Thright, continue their intersecting investigations into the murder of Orla Kent and thefts from critical supply with a visit to head of the mines Ed Harwood, Ned Denney.
01:59:36 --> 01:59:44 [UNKNOWN]: Billings tells Harwood that they believe Orla was killed before her body was brought into the minds, but he doesn't know how it was moved.
01:59:45 --> 01:59:54 [UNKNOWN]: Harwood responds with a story about a man in the silo who used to put on magic shows for kids until he was arrested and sent to the minds one day and died there.
01:59:54 --> 01:59:55 [UNKNOWN]: The end.
02:00:06 --> 02:00:16 [UNKNOWN]: I've got to say that that scene really does, really does hammer home in a way that I don't think we're seeing in all three seasons up into this point.
02:00:17 --> 02:00:19 [UNKNOWN]: Just what a police state, the side though actually is.
02:00:21 --> 02:00:25 [UNKNOWN]: We kind of know it, but the idea that you can literally be arrested for a thought cry.
02:00:27 --> 02:00:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we sort of hadn't seen that before and this idea that it was, what was the phrase?
02:00:38 --> 02:00:39 [UNKNOWN]: The theoretical relic.
02:00:39 --> 02:00:41 [UNKNOWN]: The theoretical relic.
02:00:42 --> 02:00:44 [UNKNOWN]: Magic is a theoretical relic.
02:00:57 --> 02:01:09 [UNKNOWN]: But I did think that his sort of weird empathy with the people that sent to the mines.
02:01:09 --> 02:01:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I think he both kind of gets off on the authority, but also realizes that the system in which he is a cog is a very, very, is an evil system.
02:01:22 --> 02:01:23 [UNKNOWN]: And I didn't.
02:01:25 --> 02:01:33 [UNKNOWN]: I did sort of I felt online about there are there are six men and two women that are so criminal They deserve to be down there something on that line.
02:01:33 --> 02:01:35 [UNKNOWN]: I really want to meet those eight people.
02:01:35 --> 02:01:42 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to know what they've done Oh yeah, I'm sorry they're going too far.
02:01:42 --> 02:01:43 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, you know you're right.
02:01:43 --> 02:01:44 [UNKNOWN]: You're right.
02:01:44 --> 02:01:46 [UNKNOWN]: You just answered a question I had in my head.
02:01:46 --> 02:01:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, keep going.
02:01:47 --> 02:01:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah
02:01:49 --> 02:02:00 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, I really want to meet those eight people and find out what they have done that is so heinous that even had a Ed Hardwood acknowledges that there is no place for them but the minds.
02:02:01 --> 02:02:09 [UNKNOWN]: And I do think as well, when he's describing the rest of the people in the minds, he's describing like 95% of all criminals.
02:02:12 --> 02:02:15 [UNKNOWN]: Right, mostly just people who did something stupid.
02:02:15 --> 02:02:17 [UNKNOWN]: Mostly people that did something stupid.
02:02:18 --> 02:02:21 [UNKNOWN]: So this week I've been listening to an audio book.
02:02:23 --> 02:02:31 [UNKNOWN]: about a group of non-re-inglish footballers that fixed football matches.
02:02:32 --> 02:02:49 [UNKNOWN]: They're basically there was, it's run by Google Moses Swaboo, he's one of the players, and basically this group of them becomes like attached to an illegal gambling syndicate.
02:02:49 --> 02:02:54 [UNKNOWN]: who basically paid them to fix the outcome of games that they simply get bets on.
02:02:54 --> 02:03:05 [UNKNOWN]: And like this whole story is just three guys who are who want to live the lifestyle of Premier League footballers but didn't have the talent to do that.
02:03:06 --> 02:03:07 [UNKNOWN]: And it just snowballed.
02:03:07 --> 02:03:12 [UNKNOWN]: They just get, they're not bad people per se, but they just get in way over their heads.
02:03:13 --> 02:03:15 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
02:03:15 --> 02:03:22 [UNKNOWN]: this whole scene and reading that book sort of, yeah, the two things of connected in my head.
02:03:23 --> 02:03:29 [UNKNOWN]: So if any of you interested, the book is called Fixed and the author is a guy called Moses Swable.
02:03:31 --> 02:03:31 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:03:32 --> 02:03:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, which you cleared up in my head was like at first I thought he was saying they had six guys two women totals like damn all those other recruits we saw the other episode died, but no already, but no you're right.
02:03:46 --> 02:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: He's saying eight of them that are like that bad and the rest are just yeah, just dumbasses.
02:03:53 --> 02:03:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's no there's no other place to put them basically.
02:03:57 --> 02:04:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, it is, so he says about the magician who was arrested for his thought crimes.
02:04:03 --> 02:04:09 [UNKNOWN]: He says it would be more humane to hang people like him because basically he's physically soft or whatever.
02:04:09 --> 02:04:16 [UNKNOWN]: And you'd, like, I can't say that I agree with that because he would have said the same thing about Lucas.
02:04:17 --> 02:04:22 [UNKNOWN]: And obviously, I'm glad that Lucas wasn't hung instead of being sent to the minds, you know?
02:04:22 --> 02:04:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, that's for.
02:04:25 --> 02:04:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I do, and it did make me think, like, obviously Lucas and Harwood must have met.
02:04:29 --> 02:04:30 [UNKNOWN]: I would love to see them interact.
02:04:31 --> 02:04:34 [UNKNOWN]: I hope that we have a chance to see them interact at some point.
02:04:36 --> 02:04:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, because he would have been like, Lucas is jailer and I'm sure Lucas is not one of the ones who necessarily impressed him, like he's not, he's definitely not a minor through and through, you know, he's tech guy.
02:04:49 --> 02:04:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely.
02:04:52 --> 02:05:04 [UNKNOWN]: About Orla, um, are they implying that her body was moved in a similar way that the lightbulbs and rebar are being moved in these critical supply thefts?
02:05:05 --> 02:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it would do certainly make sense, wouldn't it?
02:05:09 --> 02:05:10 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:05:11 --> 02:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:05:12 --> 02:05:13 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah.
02:05:13 --> 02:05:14 [UNKNOWN]: I mean,
02:05:15 --> 02:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: It's probably, it might be easier to move body than to move the light bulbs in the rebar to be honest, because it's probably lighter.
02:05:29 --> 02:05:38 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say that there was someone on Blue Sky bar pointed out that Lucas did say something about moving the shafts.
02:05:44 --> 02:06:09 [UNKNOWN]: there's ten minutes apart and indeed they was I just went back and was watching that episode again and indeed it's there's ten minutes between the two time stamps when she's in supply and when she's when she's in you know entering in the minds but okay so the thing is like I think you and I both have been thinking a lot about these tunnels that are dug into
02:06:10 --> 02:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: the silo itself, not the minds, but like we saw Patrick and co escape through earlier this season or that nurse Amy took Julie at down a vertical tunnel.
02:06:20 --> 02:06:25 [UNKNOWN]: So they could be getting around that way, but something about the central shaft is still a question.
02:06:25 --> 02:06:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't but also like if they were doing it that way, I'm still confused just as a timestamp because they couldn't
02:06:40 --> 02:06:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I guess the implication is maybe they could.
02:06:43 --> 02:06:43 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:06:43 --> 02:06:44 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:06:45 --> 02:06:50 [UNKNOWN]: We shall find out trying to try to move a body like that fall down the solenoed.
02:06:51 --> 02:06:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the body.
02:06:52 --> 02:07:01 [UNKNOWN]: No, but But this was that was before the body was moved before the Glendo is caught on tape going down to
02:07:05 --> 02:07:10 [UNKNOWN]: I'm still I'm disinclined to blame Glenda for the murders, but I don't know.
02:07:10 --> 02:07:14 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'm being too There really isn't another Sunday.
02:07:14 --> 02:07:16 [UNKNOWN]: It might not be Glenda, but there isn't another suspect.
02:07:16 --> 02:07:18 [UNKNOWN]: Don't screen it moment as far as you can
02:07:19 --> 02:07:28 [UNKNOWN]: And Harwood, he admits he was upset about Orla taking Glendus job, but he basically he blames prejudice against his daughter based on origin.
02:07:29 --> 02:07:47 [UNKNOWN]: He's mad about it because he's like he never had a shop because she came from the mines and that he's not wrong because Harla said Harla said basically she took the job from Orla and gave it to, I'm sorry, took the job from Glendus and gave it to Orla because Orla was from supply her whole life.
02:07:50 --> 02:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and but when Harwood says he said his piece to Orla, you know, as we saw in the first episode and that was it I'm again inclined to believe him like I don't know I just don't think he and Glenda are the murderers But maybe they are the smugglers, but then when they be linked and I don't know okay, I still don't know I do love Harwood on screen he's fun, you know, like in terms of
02:08:19 --> 02:08:22 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know that I would want to spend a lot of time with him.
02:08:22 --> 02:08:26 [UNKNOWN]: He's not invited to my blunt circle, but he's fun to watch on screen.
02:08:27 --> 02:08:31 [UNKNOWN]: Well, first of all, he calls them out for sounds like those cameras you said were being shut down weren't.
02:08:32 --> 02:08:35 [UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, how would you be so sure she didn't just walk up the stairs?
02:08:36 --> 02:08:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Ed, you've got him there.
02:08:38 --> 02:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you've got him there.
02:08:40 --> 02:08:54 [UNKNOWN]: And then when they ask about respecting Billings, he says, fuck no, but about Juliet, at least she came from mechanical and had some dirt under her nails, but as sheriff, nah, but he did respect Holston because it is interesting.
02:08:54 --> 02:08:58 [UNKNOWN]: He respected him because he said, Holston, let things slide.
02:08:58 --> 02:09:08 [UNKNOWN]: If he caught an idiot doing something stupid, he let it slide, though Billings points out Holston had seven investigations going on into Harvard.
02:09:09 --> 02:09:15 [UNKNOWN]: But then that's a question, did it just not find anything about Harwood or was really seven minor things he just let slide?
02:09:16 --> 02:09:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, did Holston not find anything about Harwood?
02:09:18 --> 02:09:19 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:09:20 --> 02:09:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:09:20 --> 02:09:23 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
02:09:23 --> 02:09:26 [UNKNOWN]: Any other thoughts on Harwood in the mind?
02:09:26 --> 02:09:26 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:09:27 --> 02:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: Nope, but I really want to meet those eight people.
02:09:30 --> 02:09:30 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:09:30 --> 02:09:30 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:09:31 --> 02:09:35 [UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe we'll find them during our quick break.
02:09:35 --> 02:09:40 [UNKNOWN]: And when we come back, we're going to talk about the end game of this episode.
02:09:40 --> 02:09:41 [UNKNOWN]: All right, be right back.
02:09:43 --> 02:09:44 [UNKNOWN]: Remembering forgetting.
02:09:45 --> 02:09:55 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet enters Martha's workshop where she finds Carla McClain, Claire Perkins, Digan Knox, Shay McRae, Shirley Campbell, Remi Milner, Bernard Holland, Tim Robbins, and Teddy.
02:09:56 --> 02:09:57 [UNKNOWN]: Oletoon J. A.O.F.
02:09:57 --> 02:09:58 [UNKNOWN]: waiting for her.
02:09:58 --> 02:09:59 [UNKNOWN]: Somebody give Teddy a last name, okay?
02:10:00 --> 02:10:00 [UNKNOWN]: Um.
02:10:02 --> 02:10:09 [UNKNOWN]: Teddy has a plan for the pipe, which we'll get back to in another section, but it leaves Juliet with the weight of a difficult decision.
02:10:10 --> 02:10:21 [UNKNOWN]: So Bernard calls in Regina, Sonita Henry, and asks if she knows where to find a diary that survived the scourge that followed the rebellion of 140 years ago.
02:10:22 --> 02:10:24 [UNKNOWN]: The diary of a man named Mishann!
02:10:26 --> 02:10:31 [UNKNOWN]: Regina locates the diary and Bernard also has another person brought in to speak to Juliette.
02:10:32 --> 02:10:38 [UNKNOWN]: Gloria Hildebrandt, Sophie Thompson, the fertility coach turned memory drug patient that Alicia won't shut up about.
02:10:39 --> 02:10:47 [UNKNOWN]: Bernard explains that Gloria is a flame keeper, a keeper of the silos for bid and relics and thus dwindling memories of the before times.
02:10:48 --> 02:10:52 [UNKNOWN]: Gloria tells Julia that the George's mother Anne Wilkins was also a member of the order.
02:10:53 --> 02:11:03 [UNKNOWN]: Together, they share with Julia Mishon's diary, documenting the silo-wide memory reset that ended the Great Rebellion, but led to the death of 2000 people.
02:11:04 --> 02:11:19 [UNKNOWN]: So I have to say, anyone who watched the previously on was probably a little less surprised by Gloria showing up because they wreak effort in that, but you and I didn't get that when we watched the screen.
02:11:21 --> 02:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: And how hard were you Leo pointing meme?
02:11:24 --> 02:11:36 [UNKNOWN]: I was not, but I was not pointing particularly hard because like you've been totally been banging on them at this raging and you're, you're survived my ability to predict the return of characters.
02:11:37 --> 02:11:45 [UNKNOWN]: And also frankly, I will be honest, I'd kind of forgotten that I would have appreciated that previously on because I'd kind of forgotten who she was a little bit.
02:11:47 --> 02:11:50 [UNKNOWN]: even though I've been banging on it, but that's why I've been banging on about it.
02:11:50 --> 02:12:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and I knew, I knew who glow, like the whole, I knew the flame keepers in the, the said that, everything like that, the facility coach thing, I'd kind of forgotten about to be honest.
02:12:03 --> 02:12:09 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, um, it did, it did, I tell you wins me into that point, but in, what am I
02:12:15 --> 02:12:41 [UNKNOWN]: pointed out that the danger of the forgetting drugs and just outside ways this whole reset could send the silo and like it's we talked about this before it's not hard to imagine it's no a reo where the reset just goes horribly wrong and the silo loses so many people
02:12:48 --> 02:13:11 [UNKNOWN]: Because what I thought was interesting about it, that passage talks a lot about people despairing with them and retropes, but what it doesn't talk about and what I would expect as well is people turning on each other and becoming violent towards each other because
02:13:17 --> 02:13:25 [UNKNOWN]: And in Tyler 18 2000 people died, I would not be surprised if, if, like, in another Tyler, it could be like 8000.
02:13:27 --> 02:13:32 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, let's get into this since you brought it up.
02:13:32 --> 02:13:33 [UNKNOWN]: Let's set this up.
02:13:33 --> 02:13:39 [UNKNOWN]: I actually want to do, in this case, a direct comparison between the book and the passage you're referring to on the show.
02:13:40 --> 02:13:48 [UNKNOWN]: So just a reminder, or just to set the stage, this mission person I'm really excited about is,
02:13:50 --> 02:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: The mission diary.
02:13:51 --> 02:13:59 [UNKNOWN]: I was funny like as soon because I have subtitles on when I watch and so as soon as they said the mission diary, they capitalized the M in mission.
02:13:59 --> 02:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh my god, they mean the person, but if I assume most non-readers assumes like, oh, like a diary of someone's mission to do something, you know.
02:14:09 --> 02:14:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but mission was a person, a porter, who lived 140 years ago, and so the diaries is recording all of his thoughts as the memory drug kicks in, and the he also mentions an alley.
02:14:26 --> 02:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: This, I would assume, is the same alley who is the daughter of Salvador Quinn who we've heard was the head of IT at the time, because he said his daughter was alley.
02:14:37 --> 02:14:40 [UNKNOWN]: And I was like, oh, there's an alley in the book, but wasn't the daughter of the head of IT.
02:14:41 --> 02:14:55 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, so in the book version, mission did have an alley, um, but he actually spends most of his story in the book avoiding being with her because mission left the farms to become a porter.
02:14:55 --> 02:14:55 [UNKNOWN]: And
02:14:57 --> 02:15:06 [UNKNOWN]: All the people in his life shipping him with Ali, he sort of like his thought is that that will drag me back to the farms, which I'm trying to get away from trying to get away from my father and all this stuff.
02:15:07 --> 02:15:18 [UNKNOWN]: But after the whole rebellion thing, he is seriously wounded and then it suddenly cuts to three years later.
02:15:19 --> 02:15:28 [UNKNOWN]: And this is what we get from the book, the end of the mission part of the story, three years after the rebellion.
02:15:28 --> 02:15:36 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll just say, I have previously mentioned in an episode that mission had a friend, Cam, who died, and he couldn't quite remember after the memory reset.
02:15:36 --> 02:15:37 [UNKNOWN]: So that's, I'm going to mention Cam and here, too.
02:15:37 --> 02:15:39 [UNKNOWN]: So he has an excerpt from the book.
02:15:40 --> 02:15:43 [UNKNOWN]: You know, she said she being Ali, cutting into the roast.
02:15:43 --> 02:15:45 [UNKNOWN]: If it's a girl, because they're about to have a baby.
02:15:46 --> 02:15:47 [UNKNOWN]: We'll have to name her Allison.
02:15:48 --> 02:15:52 [UNKNOWN]: Every woman in my family, as far back as we can remember, has been in Allison.
02:15:52 --> 02:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: So this is why book readers always assume that Allison, our Allison of Holston, is a descendant of mission.
02:16:03 --> 02:16:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:16:04 --> 02:16:08 [UNKNOWN]: So to continue the passage, Mission wondered how far back her family could remember.
02:16:09 --> 02:16:11 [UNKNOWN]: It'd be unusual if they could remember very far.
02:16:12 --> 02:16:13 [UNKNOWN]: He chewed and thought on the name.
02:16:14 --> 02:16:18 [UNKNOWN]: Allison it is, he said, and he thought that eventually they would call her Ali, too.
02:16:19 --> 02:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: But if it's a boy, can we go with Cam?
02:16:21 --> 02:16:23 [UNKNOWN]: Sure, Ali lifted her glass.
02:16:23 --> 02:16:25 [UNKNOWN]: That wasn't your grandfather's name was it?
02:16:26 --> 02:16:28 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know any cams.
02:16:28 --> 02:16:30 [UNKNOWN]: I just like the way it sounds.
02:16:31 --> 02:16:36 [UNKNOWN]: He picked up his glass of water, studied it a while, or did he know a cam?
02:16:36 --> 02:16:38 [UNKNOWN]: Where did he know that name from?
02:16:38 --> 02:16:41 [UNKNOWN]: There were bits of his past shrouded and hidden from him.
02:16:42 --> 02:16:47 [UNKNOWN]: There were things like the mark on his neck and the scar on his stomach that he couldn't remember coming to be.
02:16:47 --> 02:16:52 [UNKNOWN]: Everyone had their share of these things, parts of their bygone days they couldn't recall.
02:16:52 --> 02:16:54 [UNKNOWN]: But mission had more than most.
02:16:55 --> 02:16:56 [UNKNOWN]: Like his birthday.
02:16:56 --> 02:17:01 [UNKNOWN]: it drove him crazy that he couldn't remember when his birthday was what was so hard about that.
02:17:03 --> 02:17:12 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say, yeah, the scar is, um, the scar in his neck is, yeah, uh, was like a kind of a suicide attempt at one point.
02:17:13 --> 02:17:20 [UNKNOWN]: Um, the scar on his belly came during the rebellion and the day the rebellion ended was
02:17:26 --> 02:17:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:17:27 --> 02:17:28 [UNKNOWN]: So that's the book version.
02:17:28 --> 02:17:33 [UNKNOWN]: So to compare, the TV version is we hear Gloria tells this story.
02:17:35 --> 02:17:37 [UNKNOWN]: This is reading from Mission's diary.
02:17:37 --> 02:17:41 [UNKNOWN]: I have a mark of my neck and a scar on my stomach and I don't know where they came from.
02:17:41 --> 02:17:46 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like I did know, maybe even yesterday, but now I can't quite remember yesterday.
02:17:47 --> 02:17:49 [UNKNOWN]: I'm afraid we've all forgotten so much.
02:17:50 --> 02:17:53 [UNKNOWN]: Doctors keep saying it's a virus in it'll pass, but it hasn't.
02:17:54 --> 02:17:59 [UNKNOWN]: Things keep slipping away, and anything I still remember has gone hazy like in a dream.
02:18:00 --> 02:18:02 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what I do without Ali.
02:18:02 --> 02:18:11 [UNKNOWN]: We each have each other, but people who live alone, I've heard they've stopped eating, and so many have jumped from the stairs that they've started hanging nets.
02:18:11 --> 02:18:15 [UNKNOWN]: I swear, if I ever forget Ali, I'll follow them over the side.
02:18:16 --> 02:18:17 [UNKNOWN]: And that was his last entry.
02:18:18 --> 02:18:25 [UNKNOWN]: So it seems like the TV version of the, you know, even though Sim said low and slow, it doesn't seem as low or slow.
02:18:26 --> 02:18:32 [UNKNOWN]: No, it seems quite, it seems quite full on, it seems quite fast and total.
02:18:33 --> 02:18:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, whereas mission, like he didn't remember things that were, you know, the authorities to be, he said he didn't remember more than most, well, that's because he was involved in the in the rebellion, there's more that the powers that be wanted him to forget.
02:18:50 --> 02:18:53 [UNKNOWN]: But here, it seems like, yeah, they are going more into a panic.
02:18:55 --> 02:18:57 [UNKNOWN]: As far as turning on people, I again, like,
02:18:59 --> 02:19:09 [UNKNOWN]: I know some people do panic, you know, like we talked about being trapped in a car and like if I were in the situation of Daniel and Helen and some people said that they would panic.
02:19:09 --> 02:19:09 [UNKNOWN]: I would not.
02:19:10 --> 02:19:12 [UNKNOWN]: And I would hope that most people wouldn't.
02:19:13 --> 02:19:26 [UNKNOWN]: So for me, I just can't imagine, like if I were suddenly forgetting things, I don't, I can imagine myself lashing out an anger, but I'm sure some people would, but I don't think that
02:19:28 --> 02:19:47 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I just, I just know from personal experience that people suffering from dementia can, can get, can get, can get, can get, can get, can get angrier and, and sometimes quite, quite, and sometimes a little bit violent.
02:19:48 --> 02:19:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, can, can get, but I've, I've known multiple people suffering from dementia and, um,
02:19:57 --> 02:20:08 [UNKNOWN]: maybe one of them would lose his temper at times, but in a yelling way, and the other would be annoyed, but not angry.
02:20:09 --> 02:20:12 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know, I just think it depends on the person.
02:20:13 --> 02:20:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:20:15 --> 02:20:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think a key, where did you think about the difference between the two versions?
02:20:21 --> 02:20:26 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the book version is obviously a bit more detailed.
02:20:28 --> 02:20:33 [UNKNOWN]: I think the language and the TV version is made to be simpler, more direct.
02:20:35 --> 02:20:39 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if they get a huge how we end to consult on stuff like this.
02:20:40 --> 02:20:56 [UNKNOWN]: Um, he's he's does general consulting, but I don't mean it as far as the way it's written as much as like the what they what the implications for the world for the world which I think the implications are sort of broadly similar of both passages
02:20:59 --> 02:21:14 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder whether we will start to see in Episode 8 9 that the Memory Drugs start to take effect on, I don't think in one of the main characters because Sims told him not to drink the water but it was just like the people in the silo generally.
02:21:16 --> 02:21:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean we saw Carla, she almost texted in.
02:21:21 --> 02:21:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Carla was tempted.
02:21:25 --> 02:21:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I kind of get her in a certain way, um, for example, if we could feed right now in our present world, if we could feed the entire world, vitamin D plus tap water, and people would just forget what they were fighting about, I can think of worst ideas, like it's better than the Thanos snap, you know?
02:21:53 --> 02:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, Alicia, I think she was going pro-algorithm.
02:21:58 --> 02:22:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying it's complicated.
02:22:02 --> 02:22:04 [UNKNOWN]: I understand.
02:22:05 --> 02:22:06 [UNKNOWN]: I understand.
02:22:06 --> 02:22:07 [UNKNOWN]: The algorithm was right.
02:22:07 --> 02:22:11 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, I'm not saying that.
02:22:11 --> 02:22:12 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying that.
02:22:14 --> 02:22:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just saying that I understand why this thought is being put out there, yeah, I can see where I can see my colors coming from.
02:22:30 --> 02:22:32 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, it was just finishing up with mission.
02:22:33 --> 02:22:39 [UNKNOWN]: I think a big difference I see is that in the book, in the book, it's,
02:22:40 --> 02:22:52 [UNKNOWN]: This part that I read is three years later, so it's like he's coming out of the memory fog and you know, they all, as a silo are coming out of the memory fog and rebuilding new lives.
02:22:52 --> 02:22:56 [UNKNOWN]: So it's a different place where as here, he's like, I'm losing my memory.
02:22:56 --> 02:23:00 [UNKNOWN]: I'm guessing, you know, he said, I would throw myself over the side if I forgot Ali.
02:23:00 --> 02:23:04 [UNKNOWN]: First of all, he would forget to throw himself over the side if he forgot Ali.
02:23:04 --> 02:23:08 [UNKNOWN]: But assuming, since they live together, he won't forget Ali, because she's just there.
02:23:11 --> 02:23:19 [UNKNOWN]: But he probably, like, was hiding the diary somewhere and probably forgot about the diary, and that's probably why he stopped writing in it.
02:23:21 --> 02:23:27 [UNKNOWN]: But somebody else didn't, or it was hidden and found later, maybe we'll find out the path of the diary.
02:23:28 --> 02:23:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then just to shout out something else of a change with mission is we are told in this case that he transport transported explosives to blow up the stairs and in the book, the difference is he did not do that he was almost tricked into doing that by who I call Mr. Wick, the IT Dick, who is a Mr. Wick like called him a zero because he wasn't supposed to have been born and all this stuff, but
02:23:55 --> 02:24:14 [UNKNOWN]: basically he tried to Mr. Wick wanted to trick a porter into carrying a bomb to blow up the stairs so that the rest of the silo would see the porters as terrorists and would turn on them because the porters were kind of the ones organizing the rebellion in that case.
02:24:15 --> 02:24:31 [UNKNOWN]: So it actually ended that friend Cam, who he was having trouble remembering, Cam was the one who was tricked into carrying the bomb, unbeknownst to him, and it blew up, and it blew Cam up, and it blew the stairs up, and that was what kicked off the rebellion.
02:24:32 --> 02:24:32 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's bad.
02:24:33 --> 02:24:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:24:35 --> 02:24:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we know the diary was shared as a warning of how bad things can get with a silo-wide memory resets and that as we said it resulted in the death of 2 people, which is still better than 10 people was just how many die with a safeguard.
02:24:51 --> 02:24:51 [UNKNOWN]: And so,
02:24:52 --> 02:25:06 [UNKNOWN]: Again, I asked someone understand that Salvador Quinn shows memories reset over safeguard, but Bernard, interestingly, seems to think Quinn didn't question enough, but Bernard wouldn't have questioned enough before either, right?
02:25:06 --> 02:25:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, it wouldn't.
02:25:08 --> 02:25:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:25:11 --> 02:25:13 [UNKNOWN]: And we still don't know what that note book.
02:25:14 --> 02:25:14 [UNKNOWN]: walls.
02:25:15 --> 02:25:16 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:25:17 --> 02:25:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:25:17 --> 02:25:18 [UNKNOWN]: Indeed.
02:25:18 --> 02:25:24 [UNKNOWN]: So we find out that Bernard says there's two items that he and Robert sought the most.
02:25:25 --> 02:25:29 [UNKNOWN]: He calls them documents from a particular time, two different particular times it turns out.
02:25:29 --> 02:25:33 [UNKNOWN]: So we've got this mission diary from 140 years ago.
02:25:33 --> 02:25:35 [UNKNOWN]: But then he also mentions a spiral
02:25:42 --> 02:25:47 [UNKNOWN]: So are we thinking this is the same notepad as in the mystery of Peshwarth story?
02:25:48 --> 02:25:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I'm thinking it's Helen.
02:25:50 --> 02:25:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I went back and double checked and indeed she writes it has a spiral binding at the top her little notepad.
02:25:57 --> 02:25:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's Helen's.
02:25:59 --> 02:26:00 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's a good call.
02:26:00 --> 02:26:01 [UNKNOWN]: I think you're right.
02:26:01 --> 02:26:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:26:03 --> 02:26:11 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just picturing in my head a season four episode 10 thing where that's how they joined the two arms of the story.
02:26:13 --> 02:26:13 [UNKNOWN]: Wait, how's it?
02:26:13 --> 02:26:14 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the note pad?
02:26:15 --> 02:26:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with the note pad in terms of like the maybe one of the final shots we see is Helen losing the note pad in one time Ryan and somebody finding it in the satellite team timeline.
02:26:27 --> 02:26:30 [UNKNOWN]: And that's how they kind of bring the two sides of the story together.
02:26:32 --> 02:26:37 [UNKNOWN]: And I wonder what kind of notes are in it before it leaves her custody.
02:26:38 --> 02:26:43 [UNKNOWN]: Like, does it have notes in it about what she's about to find out with the NDA stuff?
02:26:44 --> 02:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
02:26:48 --> 02:26:52 [UNKNOWN]: For Regina, she's the one being asked to find this stuff.
02:26:52 --> 02:27:00 [UNKNOWN]: And she's now being asked to get relics for the man slash men who held that threat over her head for years.
02:27:01 --> 02:27:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but do you think, well, we'll come back to glory in a second, but do you think Bernard is doing physically pretty well.
02:27:12 --> 02:27:15 [UNKNOWN]: He was actually standing up out on his own waiting for Julia.
02:27:16 --> 02:27:20 [UNKNOWN]: I think he was holding on his holding on to a cane.
02:27:20 --> 02:27:23 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he is standing.
02:27:24 --> 02:27:27 [UNKNOWN]: I think his voice is getting marginally less croaky as well.
02:27:28 --> 02:27:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:27:29 --> 02:27:34 [UNKNOWN]: So he seems to be healthy, you know, healing with full health.
02:27:34 --> 02:27:35 [UNKNOWN]: So interesting.
02:27:36 --> 02:27:39 [UNKNOWN]: We'll keep an eye on track his healing progress.
02:27:40 --> 02:27:44 [UNKNOWN]: But Gloria was also looking especially good, even better than when we met her in season one.
02:27:44 --> 02:27:47 [UNKNOWN]: Like, they had her hairstyle at all nicely.
02:27:47 --> 02:27:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:27:48 --> 02:27:52 [UNKNOWN]: Looks like she's being well taken care of now, like full recovery made.
02:27:54 --> 02:27:55 [UNKNOWN]: Sounds like it.
02:27:55 --> 02:27:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:27:55 --> 02:28:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Bernard makes sure to put the blame on himself and Robert as well for drug and glory at, and apparently they only took her off the drugs so that she could help the nurse swap out Juliette's pills.
02:28:08 --> 02:28:16 [UNKNOWN]: So I'll take my sila in my internet points for my motivated thinking that she was the internet intermediary that seems sent to Regina.
02:28:16 --> 02:28:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, take the internet points
02:28:25 --> 02:28:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because she's the only one who can genuinely understand what you've been through, which I'm like, does this mean that there's no one else who was on a concentrated dose of that medicine and then later recovered their memory and is alive and well in silo 18?
02:28:40 --> 02:28:41 [UNKNOWN]: I guess that's good, I mean.
02:28:42 --> 02:28:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's what we're supposed to think.
02:28:45 --> 02:28:55 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, I think she has a unique perspective of the future facing it's all, which is presumably about the whole silo, getting subjected to the vitamin D plus.
02:28:56 --> 02:29:00 [UNKNOWN]: But also Juliet, she met Gloria in season one.
02:29:00 --> 02:29:08 [UNKNOWN]: And this is, this was when we found out that Puppin Nichols did the birth control removal fake out on Gloria.
02:29:09 --> 02:29:17 [UNKNOWN]: But Julia doesn't remember that now and it didn't see Gloria didn't trigger any memories.
02:29:17 --> 02:29:20 [UNKNOWN]: Of course Gloria does look a lot more put together as I said.
02:29:20 --> 02:29:30 [UNKNOWN]: But I do wonder if Gloria, if she's presumably going to stick around a bit, if she might help Julia at remember memories linked to her father more later.
02:29:31 --> 02:29:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think she will stick around and if anybody is going to be able to do that, it will it will be glory because like as Benad said, she's the only person in the silo who has experienced what Juliette has experienced.
02:29:45 --> 02:29:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:29:46 --> 02:29:51 [UNKNOWN]: And we also, yeah, she was a fertility consultant before.
02:29:51 --> 02:29:53 [UNKNOWN]: So I do wonder if she could have a connection.
02:29:53 --> 02:29:57 [UNKNOWN]: Like, what she doing now has she gone back to similar work at all.
02:29:57 --> 02:30:00 [UNKNOWN]: She, you know, like, being a midwife or anything.
02:30:00 --> 02:30:04 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but like, a host in the hosting thought she was a quack.
02:30:05 --> 02:30:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure, but he was wrong as we found out because she was true, which he was saying was true, that they really were stopping people like Allison and her from having babies.
02:30:16 --> 02:30:25 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, but that was on the whole system, that was on the whole system, but it doesn't mean that what glory it was saying we're actually worked.
02:30:26 --> 02:30:33 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, she said that she told Allison that they didn't actually take out her birth control and she was correct.
02:30:33 --> 02:30:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but I'm talking about the the the fertility consultant of it.
02:30:41 --> 02:30:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, we don't know, yeah, we don't know more, but so far we have no reason to doubt her and Holston's doubt was proven wrong, I would say, so I think glory
02:30:57 --> 02:31:05 [UNKNOWN]: That's okay, but my points of bringing up, you know, whether she could be mid-wifeing or something is I just wondered if she could be another connection.
02:31:05 --> 02:31:16 [UNKNOWN]: We brought up that there's potentially a baby out there named after Juliet and then I wanted if the if the baby was a boy might they have named him Peter after Peter Nichols.
02:31:16 --> 02:31:16 [UNKNOWN]: Oh.
02:31:17 --> 02:31:18 [UNKNOWN]: that would be nice.
02:31:19 --> 02:31:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is just totally me fan writing, hoping that a baby turns up that helps Julie at rebound with her memories of her father and have like a full recovery.
02:31:30 --> 02:31:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would be nice.
02:31:33 --> 02:31:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
02:31:35 --> 02:31:57 [UNKNOWN]: be other flame keepers have re entered the story and yeah this is where I said there's a theme in the short story the mystery the memory of the pez the mystery of the pez is hope dangerous or does hope sustain life and in this case the hope being a future where they can live outside and have you watched Snowpiercer?
02:31:58 --> 02:31:58 [UNKNOWN]: No!
02:31:59 --> 02:32:17 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, well, say there's a lot of talk about the TV show Snowpiercer in the episode 6 discord chat and yeah, it's because it also minor spoiler late stage goes into yeah this hope of living well, I mean the whole things about the hope of living back outside and that ends up being a through line throughout.
02:32:20 --> 02:32:32 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, this scleria point out, they were the seekers of the truth, which was the truth being the word on Holston Sheriff badge that along with George's death sucks Juliet into all of this craziness in the first place.
02:32:34 --> 02:32:37 [UNKNOWN]: And that brings us to sadly seeking Papa.
02:32:37 --> 02:32:39 [UNKNOWN]: Someone else is looking for the truth.
02:32:40 --> 02:32:53 [UNKNOWN]: While the rest of the team is planning their pipe strategy, Knox tells Shirley, there's something he has to do and he slips out to go see Mark Chambers, George Robinson, in tool fabrication to ask about his father.
02:32:53 --> 02:32:56 [UNKNOWN]: Snarky Marky admits the Papa Knox is not dead.
02:32:57 --> 02:33:00 [UNKNOWN]: Someone else was buried in the mines, but not Monox's dad.
02:33:01 --> 02:33:07 [UNKNOWN]: Knox's dad had designed something for Harwood in exchange for helping him fake his death.
02:33:08 --> 02:33:10 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, Harwood said he got caught in a tunnel collapse.
02:33:11 --> 02:33:12 [UNKNOWN]: And Mark says then that's what happened.
02:33:12 --> 02:33:19 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, no, why is Snarky Markey keeping, which it's our nickname for Harwood?
02:33:22 --> 02:33:22 [UNKNOWN]: Harwood the Hader.
02:33:23 --> 02:33:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hold that.
02:33:24 --> 02:33:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's good.
02:33:26 --> 02:33:30 [UNKNOWN]: Why is Snarky Markey keeping Harwood the Hader's secrets?
02:33:30 --> 02:33:35 [UNKNOWN]: I want to know what Harwood and Mark Chambers relationship is.
02:33:36 --> 02:33:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and also what could what could pop a nox possibly and invent it?
02:33:43 --> 02:33:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and yeah, drill.
02:33:45 --> 02:33:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, you're never a smaller drill that also doesn't disturb this.
02:33:49 --> 02:34:00 [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, I mean, that would don't make sense because like somebody's like maybe if they were digging all these tunnels that they got you from like, you know, for one part, so I went to another.
02:34:00 --> 02:34:00 [UNKNOWN]: No.
02:34:02 --> 02:34:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a drill.
02:34:03 --> 02:34:08 [UNKNOWN]: It's some sort of, you know, like we've seen the pulley system on the the stairs.
02:34:09 --> 02:34:15 [UNKNOWN]: That, but in the tunnels so that they can get from place to place really quickly.
02:34:16 --> 02:34:24 [UNKNOWN]: Well, if, if hardwood is behind the critical supply thefts, it could be like a pulley system on the stairs that's helping them move things quickly.
02:34:25 --> 02:34:40 [UNKNOWN]: or yeah, I just do think it's got to have to come back to these tunnels we keep seeing being dug all over, but it seems like we know the one that nurse Amy took Julie at through the vertical one is much older than any of these people.
02:34:41 --> 02:34:47 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know the one that the outsiders disappeared through after their first meeting with Julie at the season.
02:34:47 --> 02:34:49 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know when that was made.
02:34:50 --> 02:34:51 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's true.
02:34:53 --> 02:34:56 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think it matters who the someone else is who got buried?
02:34:56 --> 02:35:05 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's just a way for Papa Knox to play dead because Knox seems to want to know the name of the actual person who died.
02:35:06 --> 02:35:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:35:08 --> 02:35:10 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we're going to find that out.
02:35:10 --> 02:35:13 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it probably happened too long ago at this point.
02:35:13 --> 02:35:19 [UNKNOWN]: Why don't not because my one question is like, what's that guy's family told or did just think he's still working in the mind?
02:35:20 --> 02:35:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's still totally going in the mind, and it's yeah.
02:35:25 --> 02:35:29 [UNKNOWN]: But, I do say when Knox asks Mark about the name, the scene cuts.
02:35:30 --> 02:35:32 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, is it a significant name then?
02:35:34 --> 02:35:37 [UNKNOWN]: Because the way the scene cuts is like, you're keeping something secretive from us.
02:35:37 --> 02:35:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
02:35:39 --> 02:35:40 [UNKNOWN]: Or is it a bluff?
02:35:40 --> 02:35:42 [UNKNOWN]: Is it just the director having a bit of fun with us?
02:35:43 --> 02:35:44 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:35:44 --> 02:35:45 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:35:45 --> 02:35:47 [UNKNOWN]: I don't feel like they would do that and not pay it off.
02:35:48 --> 02:35:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:35:50 --> 02:35:50 [UNKNOWN]: I guess we'll see.
02:35:52 --> 02:35:57 [UNKNOWN]: And then Mark says, yeah, start digging around on hardwoods business and you're likely to disappear down a deep hole.
02:35:57 --> 02:36:00 [UNKNOWN]: So this is painting hardwood as a murderer.
02:36:00 --> 02:36:02 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe I'm cutting him too much slack.
02:36:03 --> 02:36:03 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:36:05 --> 02:36:12 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but one more important question before we leave the Nox storyline, uh, SB asked an an email.
02:36:13 --> 02:36:17 [UNKNOWN]: Does it seem like Nox just stepped out of a spa with polish skin and perfectly co-aft hair?
02:36:20 --> 02:36:22 [UNKNOWN]: Well, no, it's this typical thing as well.
02:36:22 --> 02:36:25 [UNKNOWN]: We're living in a dystopian future where everybody has perfect teeth.
02:36:26 --> 02:36:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, apart from harbourn actually, like harbourn's teeth are fairly
02:36:34 --> 02:36:39 [UNKNOWN]: I just think I just think it's Shane McRoy's pure on a moment and I don't know what my name is, it's him to be honest.
02:36:40 --> 02:36:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say, I mean, I can't say about the hair, I think he just, I did see someone ask Shane McRoy in an interview, how much time does Knox spend on his hair each morning?
02:36:48 --> 02:36:50 [UNKNOWN]: He was like, oh, at least 20 minutes, yeah.
02:36:51 --> 02:36:59 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm going to say that the glowing skin is just the effect of working on the generator all the time.
02:36:59 --> 02:37:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's steam-powered, so it's got his steam facials regularly.
02:37:08 --> 02:37:08 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:37:08 --> 02:37:12 [UNKNOWN]: So that brings us to the last parts of this very long episode.
02:37:12 --> 02:37:13 [UNKNOWN]: Operation Buster Pike.
02:37:14 --> 02:37:15 [UNKNOWN]: Teddy's plan for the pipe.
02:37:16 --> 02:37:25 [UNKNOWN]: He wants to take a team into judicial after hours in disguise and wearing hidden cleaning suits and blow open the wall where they think the pipe is and the pipe with it.
02:37:26 --> 02:37:28 [UNKNOWN]: And then cap the pipe that they've blown up.
02:37:28 --> 02:37:28 [UNKNOWN]: I'm a bit
02:37:34 --> 02:37:38 [UNKNOWN]: And then after the flame keeper intervention, Juliet has decided to greenlight this project.
02:37:39 --> 02:37:49 [UNKNOWN]: But when the team arrives at judicial, they see that Rob and Camille are there as well, meaning they would be put at risk of death from the contents of the poison pipe as well.
02:37:49 --> 02:38:07 [UNKNOWN]: But the stakes are too high, so posing as pump technicians, they use the passes procured by Rob to get in, setting up the bombs along the wall inside, but as they prepare to set them off, Walker hears from Patrick, and she radios Teddy to tell him to call off the bombs.
02:38:08 --> 02:38:12 [UNKNOWN]: They are able to stop the explosions from going off in the nick of time.
02:38:13 --> 02:38:19 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I was with when Julia was like blowing open the wall next to the killer pipes does seem like a terrible idea.
02:38:19 --> 02:38:23 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, yeah, yeah, why don't you stick to your guns on that?
02:38:23 --> 02:38:25 [UNKNOWN]: I don't understand this plan at all.
02:38:25 --> 02:38:31 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what you, but I don't know, yeah, and I know that I know this, you know, desperate times and everything, Teddy.
02:38:31 --> 02:38:32 [UNKNOWN]: But what are you hoping to achieve here?
02:38:33 --> 02:38:35 [UNKNOWN]: Also, like I see as you put in the nose, what should
02:38:41 --> 02:38:42 [UNKNOWN]: What's going on?
02:38:43 --> 02:38:43 [UNKNOWN]: What is that?
02:38:43 --> 02:38:48 [UNKNOWN]: I don't, I miss, I've clearly missed something here, but I don't know what.
02:38:48 --> 02:38:55 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm guessing so they said that they were there to to service the pumps.
02:38:55 --> 02:39:08 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe like W is water, I'm not sure, would, would, would, do they have gas in the silo, even heard anything about gas, but maybe it's something like geothermal water pumps.
02:39:09 --> 02:39:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, gas for also power, maybe?
02:39:12 --> 02:39:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know that it's gas though, because we haven't seen any gas.
02:39:14 --> 02:39:17 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe we know that they're geothermal.
02:39:17 --> 02:39:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:39:18 --> 02:39:21 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe yeah, there's a little water pumps, something like that.
02:39:22 --> 02:39:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think we've missed something.
02:39:25 --> 02:39:26 [UNKNOWN]: No, I couldn't find anything.
02:39:27 --> 02:39:30 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, that's just a slightly chunky piece of writing.
02:39:31 --> 02:39:32 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we should say either.
02:39:32 --> 02:39:34 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's just where it's meant to.
02:39:34 --> 02:39:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's clear enough.
02:39:35 --> 02:39:44 [UNKNOWN]: We don't necessarily need to know, but I'm going to go with geothermal water pumps unless I hear otherwise, because that matches with everything that we know about the silo and of herds so far.
02:39:45 --> 02:39:51 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's okay for not everything to be explained at Nazam, even though I say this almost three hours in total.
02:39:51 --> 02:39:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm going to say it with three, we're almost three hours deep into a podcasting.
02:39:55 --> 02:39:58 [UNKNOWN]: I want everything explained, God dammit.
02:40:00 --> 02:40:03 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, so I don't know.
02:40:03 --> 02:40:13 [UNKNOWN]: I don't understand why you would blow up a pipe and then think you could cap it like I understand wanting to blow up in the wall, but then like and saying and the pipes Why would you want to blow up in the pipe?
02:40:13 --> 02:40:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't understand that part.
02:40:14 --> 02:40:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you're good.
02:40:15 --> 02:40:24 [UNKNOWN]: You like like as Martha points out between the time you blow it open and the time you successfully cap it you could kill half the sun
02:40:25 --> 02:40:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, not yet.
02:40:26 --> 02:40:33 [UNKNOWN]: They were doing the math and they were like 1 people, which is less than the 2 people who died, who killed themselves after that.
02:40:33 --> 02:40:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I mean, so that's the math they were doing.
02:40:37 --> 02:40:42 [UNKNOWN]: There was a lot of assumptions built into that.
02:40:43 --> 02:40:53 [UNKNOWN]: But I guess the, I guess the thing is they don't know, they know the pipe goes into judicial here, but they don't know where it goes from there.
02:40:53 --> 02:41:04 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess that's why they're like, we'd need to blow it open so we can put the cap where we know the pipe is, rather than just trying to follow the pipe, maybe they can't because it's going through the walls.
02:41:04 --> 02:41:06 [UNKNOWN]: And they don't want to bust over the walls because I would take too long.
02:41:07 --> 02:41:08 [UNKNOWN]: But the, the overall, the overall
02:41:12 --> 02:41:18 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, and yeah, Martha points out they're exposing residential levels above and below people will be home sleeping at that time.
02:41:20 --> 02:41:31 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad it didn't go through, it did feel like maybe a bit of like to be honest, that was not the part that had me biting my nails as much as like during that I was like.
02:41:32 --> 02:41:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as they're setting it up with about when are we going to hear from Lucas and Patrick?
02:41:38 --> 02:41:43 [UNKNOWN]: That's the part I was biting my nails about but both They did the same thing.
02:41:43 --> 02:41:53 [UNKNOWN]: They did in season two of what they're they kept putting the whole thing on a clock and I mean it can't Yeah, so yeah, it's the second time they've done that yeah
02:41:55 --> 02:42:00 [UNKNOWN]: So just a clocking, that they have six cleaning suits.
02:42:00 --> 02:42:07 [UNKNOWN]: So that might be come a plot point in the future if they need cleaning suits for, I don't know, whatever happens next.
02:42:08 --> 02:42:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's six of them with the silent ventures.
02:42:12 --> 02:42:20 [UNKNOWN]: And that we also maybe should keep an ear out for the code word dogs, because dogs need dogs.
02:42:21 --> 02:42:22 [UNKNOWN]: Choo, dish, shall goot!
02:42:25 --> 02:42:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we hear dogs.
02:42:27 --> 02:42:32 [UNKNOWN]: They might be talking about judicial goons rather than, you know, dandy, the dog.
02:42:32 --> 02:42:34 [UNKNOWN]: I've still suspicious of Mike.
02:42:34 --> 02:42:36 [UNKNOWN]: I still don't like Mike, even if he didn't murder her.
02:42:36 --> 02:42:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:42:41 --> 02:42:44 [UNKNOWN]: I guess we'll find out soon what Mike's deal is.
02:42:46 --> 02:42:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but of course they call off the bombs because they can get answers from Jimmy in silo 17 now before they do something stupid.
02:42:55 --> 02:42:55 [UNKNOWN]: That's better.
02:42:56 --> 02:42:57 [UNKNOWN]: Let's talk to Jimmy first.
02:42:58 --> 02:43:04 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, and granted when they were going to do the bombs is because they thought Lucas and Patrick that that plan had failed that they were killed.
02:43:05 --> 02:43:08 [UNKNOWN]: And so they're like, how are we going to we don't have a way to get this information?
02:43:09 --> 02:43:18 [UNKNOWN]: But now they do, now they do have a contact with Stylo 17, but Nard asks for a drink, and I think after that episode, we all deserve one.
02:43:19 --> 02:43:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
02:43:21 --> 02:43:23 [UNKNOWN]: But we do have a couple quick pieces of feedback.
02:43:25 --> 02:43:28 [UNKNOWN]: Now opening the listener feedback channel.
02:43:29 --> 02:43:35 [UNKNOWN]: So we got an email from Edward H. Hi, Alicia and Luke like Luke.
02:43:35 --> 02:43:38 [UNKNOWN]: I have not read the books and in a my show only fan.
02:43:38 --> 02:43:40 [UNKNOWN]: First of all, thank you so much for your podcast.
02:43:40 --> 02:43:40 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
02:43:41 --> 02:43:43 [UNKNOWN]: This is the first season that I've joined.
02:43:43 --> 02:43:45 [UNKNOWN]: I wish I were a part of it from the start.
02:43:45 --> 02:43:47 [UNKNOWN]: He really appreciates our attention to details.
02:43:48 --> 02:43:49 [UNKNOWN]: I hope you still do three hours in.
02:43:50 --> 02:44:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but thank you, Edward, he goes on to say I have tried to join the, oh, right, told me that the discord is that the invite link in the show in like the podcast notes wasn't working and so I had changed it in the show notes, forgot about the podcast notes, just saying anyone who wants to join the discord, I've now updated it in the podcast notes, so you can do that as well.
02:44:18 --> 02:44:26 [UNKNOWN]: As for the show, Edward continues, since the little apple novella dropped, my mind has been racing with theories slash questions.
02:44:26 --> 02:44:30 [UNKNOWN]: What if the four relics mentioned, the pez, the sonogram, etc.
02:44:30 --> 02:44:32 [UNKNOWN]: all belong to Daniel Sash Helen.
02:44:32 --> 02:44:41 [UNKNOWN]: After your bonus pod, I watched episode five memories again, and in it, the origin of Julia's watch peaked my interest.
02:44:41 --> 02:44:42 [UNKNOWN]: What if it belonged to Daniel?
02:44:43 --> 02:44:49 [UNKNOWN]: When the episode went to Daniel and Helen, I specifically tried to look at Daniel's left arm to see if he is wearing a watch.
02:44:50 --> 02:44:56 [UNKNOWN]: It feels like they purposely blocked Daniel's arm in the shots or cut before it showed, and then came episode six.
02:44:56 --> 02:45:05 [UNKNOWN]: When Daniel hurts his left hand, trying to stop the car, and they show the band of his wristwatched, I am convinced that it was the same watch.
02:45:05 --> 02:45:07 [UNKNOWN]: So I'll say about the watch I did.
02:45:08 --> 02:45:37 [UNKNOWN]: I can't remember what episode it was, but I did share a reddit post there where someone had the same theory about it being the same watch and I posted pictures there as well of the two watches side by side and I thought that the bands were different and and I thought more importantly that the bezel was also different but I don't know a lot of people seem to really think it's the same and there would be a sort of satisfaction about it so I'm putting it back on the table
02:45:39 --> 02:45:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, possibly.
02:45:41 --> 02:45:43 [UNKNOWN]: I'd have to go back and re-watch it.
02:45:43 --> 02:45:48 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, there's a similarity in design at least.
02:45:48 --> 02:45:49 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, yeah, maybe.
02:45:51 --> 02:46:17 [UNKNOWN]: Edward continues also in your bonus pod Luke made the comment that sonograms should be technology available to the silo in terms of the technologies that they have so why don't they and then I re-watch the opening credits when they show the silo and people walking up and down the stairs it is so nah yes this also the rotten fruit connects with the farm lights going out hmm good point good points
02:46:19 --> 02:46:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so what do you think do you think the so-and-are in the opening credits means anything?
02:46:24 --> 02:46:29 [UNKNOWN]: That'll be how silo one is watching all the individual silo as well as with the camera.
02:46:29 --> 02:46:32 [UNKNOWN]: They might have some kind of like heat sensing technology.
02:46:34 --> 02:46:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a good point.
02:46:35 --> 02:46:36 [UNKNOWN]: That's a good point.
02:46:36 --> 02:46:39 [UNKNOWN]: That opening credits could be the view from silo one.
02:46:41 --> 02:46:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, great, great point to both.
02:46:43 --> 02:46:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:46:44 --> 02:46:50 [UNKNOWN]: Um, Edward says I don't know what all this means, but certainly sending my mind on wild theory trails.
02:46:50 --> 02:46:51 [UNKNOWN]: I cannot wait to watch the rest.
02:46:51 --> 02:46:52 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's what we're here.
02:46:52 --> 02:46:54 [UNKNOWN]: That's what we're here for at what?
02:46:54 --> 02:46:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:46:55 --> 02:47:00 [UNKNOWN]: And join us as we guide through the back alleys or the millions of unsanctioned tunnels in the silo.
02:47:00 --> 02:47:02 [UNKNOWN]: Thanks again, Edward.
02:47:03 --> 02:47:05 [UNKNOWN]: Well, thank you, Edward, for rating him.
02:47:07 --> 02:47:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then one other thing, Reader Reborn started a discussion on the Discord post episode six as well.
02:47:14 --> 02:47:18 [UNKNOWN]: At this point, I wonder if the voice is even one person.
02:47:18 --> 02:47:21 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's multiple people working in shifts.
02:47:21 --> 02:47:27 [UNKNOWN]: And Barb's 27.95 said, possibly, it just wouldn't be achievable otherwise.
02:47:27 --> 02:47:31 [UNKNOWN]: The voice would be like, would be having a little breakdown in the back.
02:47:34 --> 02:47:46 [UNKNOWN]: And Motoriders D said, my theory is that the voice is a bunch of people working in a room in silo one, kind of like the broom closet where there are multiple humans assigned to watch all the silos and interact with them.
02:47:46 --> 02:47:49 [UNKNOWN]: They have screens in front of them with tons of information.
02:47:49 --> 02:48:00 [UNKNOWN]: There's a computer, AI slash LLM processing all sensors and showing relevant information on screen, kind of like a call center where I worked many years ago.
02:48:00 --> 02:48:05 [UNKNOWN]: you pull up all the info for each silo and head of IT and follow a script.
02:48:05 --> 02:48:07 [UNKNOWN]: There are shadows for that job, of course.
02:48:07 --> 02:48:15 [UNKNOWN]: And I assume silo 1 has the same generator, but less people and different jobs so they can power all the IT departments.
02:48:15 --> 02:48:21 [UNKNOWN]: Probably pre 2026 their power requirements aren't as ridiculous as they are now with the AIBS.
02:48:24 --> 02:48:31 [UNKNOWN]: That's on multiple voices, shifts, power generation.
02:48:31 --> 02:48:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I do, I think the shifts thing is very interesting because it takes me back.
02:48:36 --> 02:48:37 [UNKNOWN]: I can't remember which episode it is.
02:48:37 --> 02:48:43 [UNKNOWN]: It might be episode four where Camille goes to speak to the voice and it doesn't answer immediately.
02:48:43 --> 02:48:46 [UNKNOWN]: And when it does answer, it's clearly annoyed.
02:48:47 --> 02:48:47 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:48:48 --> 02:48:50 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not at your back and call, like, really?
02:48:50 --> 02:48:51 [UNKNOWN]: That's news to me.
02:48:51 --> 02:48:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that seems very much like you were.
02:48:54 --> 02:48:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:48:55 --> 02:48:56 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
02:48:56 --> 02:49:01 [UNKNOWN]: No, that kind of speaks to it being people and not an AI.
02:49:02 --> 02:49:04 [UNKNOWN]: And why do you think the voice sounds the way it does?
02:49:05 --> 02:49:06 [UNKNOWN]: The same basically.
02:49:09 --> 02:49:10 [UNKNOWN]: I still think it sounds like Daniel.
02:49:11 --> 02:49:13 [UNKNOWN]: So I think they may have modelled it on Daniel's voice.
02:49:14 --> 02:49:19 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, and just whoever is doing it is speaking with the same voice.
02:49:19 --> 02:49:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:49:23 --> 02:49:23 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:49:24 --> 02:49:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that wraps the episode.
02:49:26 --> 02:49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Any final thoughts?
02:49:27 --> 02:49:38 [UNKNOWN]: So, have I, have I, I have literally been bled rather than one of those corpses outside of the team.
02:49:39 --> 02:49:40 [UNKNOWN]: There is nothing left.
02:49:40 --> 02:49:41 [UNKNOWN]: I am a hush.
02:49:43 --> 02:49:52 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we shall let Luke replenish his thinking and replenish the working of my mouth.
02:49:53 --> 02:49:55 [UNKNOWN]: But of course, full weekly coverage continues.
02:49:56 --> 02:49:58 [UNKNOWN]: Last three episodes incoming.
02:49:58 --> 02:50:01 [UNKNOWN]: And we would love to hear all of your thoughts about them.
02:50:01 --> 02:50:06 [UNKNOWN]: Please send your thoughts in theories to Woolshift DustPodcast at gmail.com.
02:50:06 --> 02:50:08 [UNKNOWN]: You'll find that also linked in the show notes.
02:50:09 --> 02:50:21 [UNKNOWN]: And our next full mail bag will be after the season finale, but we'll sneak some, particularly if you send it by email, we'll sneak some in to our episodes up until that point as well as applicable.
02:50:22 --> 02:50:32 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, to keep in mind, book spoilers are okay, but then those elements will be discussed on the book club episodes, including this week, rather than here in
02:50:35 --> 02:50:46 [UNKNOWN]: We would also love for you to join the discussion on Discord, and I have, again, updated those links in both the show notes and the episode notes.
02:50:47 --> 02:50:50 [UNKNOWN]: So if that sounds interesting to you, do go ahead and accept that invite.
02:50:50 --> 02:51:02 [UNKNOWN]: You'll find a dedicated silo forum there on the Lurhouns Discord, but also forums and chats dedicated to all the other things that you might be reading watching, listening, doing.
02:51:03 --> 02:51:05 [UNKNOWN]: we'd love to have you as part of the conversation.
02:51:06 --> 02:51:11 [UNKNOWN]: And for those of you who might be interested in the book club, you'll find those links in the show notes as well.
02:51:11 --> 02:51:16 [UNKNOWN]: That is an additional subscriber feed that I do with fellow book reader Abby.
02:51:17 --> 02:51:21 [UNKNOWN]: It is supercast and Patreon have basically the same option.
02:51:21 --> 02:51:24 [UNKNOWN]: Supercast has one additional option.
02:51:25 --> 02:51:37 [UNKNOWN]: If you want to support both the Walshift Dust Book Club, and my Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast subscription feed for a discounted combined feed, I'm looking into how I can do the same on Patreon.
02:51:37 --> 02:51:39 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, otherwise you'll find all the same on both.
02:51:40 --> 02:51:45 [UNKNOWN]: You might want to check fees and what they add to the price, particularly if you are an Apple user.
02:51:46 --> 02:52:00 [UNKNOWN]: but in the book club you will get weekly deep dives into each of these silo episodes with all the book spoilers that I can't discuss here plus a special topic each week.
02:52:00 --> 02:52:03 [UNKNOWN]: This week's topic is all about Anna.
02:52:04 --> 02:52:13 [UNKNOWN]: So thank you to our new Silasins since the last episode, Russell G, Jordan F and Tim R and welcome back returnies from prior seasons.
02:52:14 --> 02:52:26 [UNKNOWN]: If you want to avoid a monthly subscription and you're not interested in all the extra episodes in the book club, like holiday specials and all the like, then there is also a season pass option.
02:52:26 --> 02:52:30 [UNKNOWN]: You can choose between for one time fee, you can choose to
02:52:31 --> 02:52:45 [UNKNOWN]: Just have the extra episodes plus ad free access to all these episodes for just season 3, or seasons 2 and 3 together, or a triple season pass option, which also includes the book breakdowns from the cello series.
02:52:46 --> 02:52:48 [UNKNOWN]: So, feel free to explore those in the show notes.
02:52:48 --> 02:52:52 [UNKNOWN]: Let me know if you have any questions about any of the above.
02:52:53 --> 02:53:02 [UNKNOWN]: But as I say, you will hear back from Luke and I on this feed for the episode break down in a week in the meantime, you can of course find me on the discord.
02:53:02 --> 02:53:04 [UNKNOWN]: Luke, you are sometimes stopping by the discord.
02:53:05 --> 02:53:06 [UNKNOWN]: I am sometimes stopping by in the discord.
02:53:06 --> 02:53:10 [UNKNOWN]: You can also find me on blue sky at mid-it.
02:53:10 --> 02:53:17 [UNKNOWN]: That's the only two social media things that I am on at the moment.
02:53:18 --> 02:53:19 [UNKNOWN]: um yeah.
02:53:20 --> 02:53:22 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and your podcast.
02:53:23 --> 02:53:24 [UNKNOWN]: We're asking people to listen to your podcast.
02:53:25 --> 02:53:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I, I go to a podcast called, it could be said with a couple of friends from university.
02:53:31 --> 02:53:33 [UNKNOWN]: We'll cool and sign it out of the, um,
02:53:34 --> 02:53:41 [UNKNOWN]: we talk about all things British politics, international politics, sport, culture and whatever else we feel like talking about.
02:53:41 --> 02:53:44 [UNKNOWN]: We record once a month.
02:53:44 --> 02:53:57 [UNKNOWN]: I think we were going to record this weekend but I don't think that's going to happen now because life has intervened so we'll probably be bound to the week or so before we put out the next episode.
02:53:58 --> 02:53:59 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:54:00 --> 02:54:21 [UNKNOWN]: And so you'll find that link to in the show notes, you'll also find a link to the Lohound's website where you can find all of the podcasts in the Lohound's family, including Dungeons & Dragons just wrapped up their finale coverage of House of the Dragon and they were going to announce there what they were covering next, but I have the episode of my queue, have it listened to it yet, so not sure.
02:54:22 --> 02:54:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'll let you know.
02:54:25 --> 02:54:38 [UNKNOWN]: Also, never mind the music, where psychology meets music and Cosmere Corner, brand new podcast, weekly breaking down parts of the Mistborn series of books by Brandon Sanderson.
02:54:39 --> 02:54:40 [UNKNOWN]: And my own The Star Wars Cannon Timeline podcast.
02:54:41 --> 02:54:48 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, the parent podcast of a soul, the lower hounds, where they just wrapped up their weekly house of the dragon coverage.
02:54:49 --> 02:54:53 [UNKNOWN]: I was on the first couple episodes, David and Jean did the rest before that.
02:54:53 --> 02:54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I also just put out an episode with looking
02:54:58 --> 02:55:01 [UNKNOWN]: doing a deep dive into the music of the vampire list.
02:55:01 --> 02:55:06 [UNKNOWN]: With John and with Mark from Nevermind the music episode about Supergirl right after this.
02:55:07 --> 02:55:11 [UNKNOWN]: This already recorded an episode about the new Spider-Man movie brand new day.
02:55:11 --> 02:55:12 [UNKNOWN]: We'll be coming out
02:55:13 --> 02:55:31 [UNKNOWN]: and lots more going on there weekly lanterns coverage starting there this coming week um that is going to be Dave is going to be returning the favor starting coverage on that with y'all while I am wrapping this up and then swapping back into cover lanterns straight on into vision quest and beyond.
02:55:34 --> 02:55:34 [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
02:55:35 --> 02:55:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:55:36 --> 02:55:38 [UNKNOWN]: And I guess that's that.
02:55:39 --> 02:55:40 [UNKNOWN]: And, ooh, ooh, I better go.
02:55:40 --> 02:55:45 [UNKNOWN]: I just got an email from a pair of stencils about Project Catacorn.