Doctor Who - S01E04 - Boom

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[00:01:27] In this episode, we'll be discussing season one, episode four, titled Boom.

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[00:02:16] Alicia, we're back, and surprisingly kind of, because originally you and I were going to do

[00:02:22] one episode every few episodes.

[00:02:25] Just intermittent, yeah.

[00:02:26] But yeah, it's worth talking about more in this shorter format.

[00:02:32] Shorter format?

[00:02:33] Yeah, so I think that's a good segue into that is I think that you and I are going to do these

[00:02:37] shorter episodes that are going to allow us to cover every single episode individually,

[00:02:43] and rather than like some get lost.

[00:02:45] I think that's what happens when you group them.

[00:02:47] Some of them get a little bit lost.

[00:02:49] And we are currently covering House of the Dragon and The Acolyte on the same feed.

[00:02:54] Plus you're doing Beacon 23 and your Star Wars project.

[00:02:57] We have so many things going on.

[00:02:59] So I think if we're going to be able to do Doctor Who in full, we're going to have to manage it.

[00:03:03] So anyway, spoiler warning for everyone.

[00:03:06] We're going to talk about everything that's ever happened in Doctor Who.

[00:03:10] No holds barred, including this episode.

[00:03:12] We did a spoiler-free sort of impression on the season

[00:03:17] in our first podcast on the season.

[00:03:21] But now we are going to stop doing spoiler-free takes.

[00:03:24] We're going to go right into our spoilery hot takes.

[00:03:27] Alicia, what'd you think of the episode?

[00:03:30] I am of the opinion that this is the best episode of this season so far.

[00:03:35] Interesting.

[00:03:38] I love the combination of, Davies says showrunner and Moffat is writer.

[00:03:45] I just found it had a great mix of pathos with a bit of humor in it.

[00:03:50] And I'm not saying that it's absolutely flawless,

[00:03:53] but it was a strong episode I think I'll be thinking about for a while.

[00:03:58] Interesting.

[00:03:58] Yeah, I too love the Moffat-Davies conversation.

[00:04:03] And I'm going to continue to say Davies because I'm a dirty American.

[00:04:07] But yeah, it did feel at times a little bit...

[00:04:12] Sorry, what was that?

[00:04:12] I have a Welsh background.

[00:04:14] I have a Welsh background to represent.

[00:04:17] Fair enough.

[00:04:17] It did feel at times that it was a little bit too Moffat-y for me.

[00:04:24] Okay.

[00:04:25] Like it was just very like, okay, angst, angst, angst, angst, angst until the moral at the end.

[00:04:32] And I was like, that is Steven Moffat.

[00:04:35] I do love Steven Moffat.

[00:04:36] I think he writes a great episode and some of my favorite Doctor Who episodes are written by him.

[00:04:40] It wasn't my favorite one on first watch, but I think upon reflecting on it, I like it more.

[00:04:47] It's got good themes, a little on the nose at times, but it was targeting my homeland,

[00:04:53] America.

[00:04:54] Definitely was a, what the fuck is America doing episode.

[00:04:58] Although they were the Anglican Marines, which is very British.

[00:05:02] I want to talk about that.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:05] I think that was to mitigate that a bit.

[00:05:09] Well, I mean, but that was...

[00:05:10] He used the Anglican Marines during the 11th Doctor run at one point too.

[00:05:15] This is, I think the second time they've shown up.

[00:05:17] Don't quote me on that.

[00:05:18] Oh, did he really?

[00:05:20] Interesting.

[00:05:21] Because I was going to bring up that he used that company, the war company a couple of times

[00:05:26] before.

[00:05:26] Okay. Yeah.

[00:05:27] No, I like that.

[00:05:28] He's bringing stuff back in and yeah, we also got the quote at the end about fish fingers and

[00:05:35] custard.

[00:05:36] Yes.

[00:05:38] Yeah.

[00:05:38] Moffat's definitely being like, hey, remember me?

[00:05:40] Remember when I used to write?

[00:05:43] I saw somebody say that line was Moffat doing the Obama putting a medal on Obama meme.

[00:05:49] Oh, fair.

[00:05:53] Well, anyway, I think it was good.

[00:05:55] I think it was good.

[00:05:55] And I really did like seeing Shooty have to play a more serious version of the Doctor.

[00:06:01] Oh, he blew it out of the park for me.

[00:06:03] Yeah.

[00:06:04] Yeah.

[00:06:04] I mean, I think that with a lesser actor, this episode wouldn't have worked.

[00:06:10] Like this needed to be carried by facial emotion and the tremble in his voice and the song and

[00:06:17] all that.

[00:06:18] Plus, great chemistry with Ruby.

[00:06:20] I don't want to undersell her.

[00:06:21] Mm-hmm.

[00:06:22] Just really, really great job to both of them.

[00:06:24] I mean, this really showcased why they were a good pick to bring back the series with.

[00:06:30] Yeah.

[00:06:30] And we got to meet our new season two companion.

[00:06:35] Yeah, I have questions on that.

[00:06:36] Do you know if that character is going to be who the companion is or if it's going to be

[00:06:43] a different character?

[00:06:44] I mean, I'm thinking that character.

[00:06:46] They did leave it open.

[00:06:47] He says at the end, I will be popping in every now and then.

[00:06:52] Right, right.

[00:06:55] They definitely leave it open.

[00:06:56] And I think because she played such a prominent role.

[00:06:58] Yeah, it makes sense.

[00:06:58] I saw an interview with her.

[00:07:00] I posted it on the Discord where she was saying that when she filmed this, she had no idea

[00:07:06] she was going to be the next companion.

[00:07:07] And then they called her months later and told her.

[00:07:11] Oh, okay.

[00:07:12] I wonder if it was always the plan.

[00:07:14] I don't know.

[00:07:16] At least they didn't tell her when they were filming.

[00:07:18] I think maybe they just really liked her in this episode and they're like, well, this

[00:07:22] would be an interesting dynamic to bring back in.

[00:07:27] Yeah, I think that's probably right.

[00:07:29] I did really enjoy her work in Andor.

[00:07:31] That's the only other thing I've seen her in.

[00:07:33] And I'm looking forward to seeing her do more things with the Doctor.

[00:07:36] But I guess we'll have to find out how that happens.

[00:07:39] Yeah.

[00:07:40] For Ada Sethu.

[00:07:42] Yeah, she played Sinta Kaz in Andor.

[00:07:44] And I liked her there too.

[00:07:46] And I liked that this was...

[00:07:47] I didn't necessarily...

[00:07:48] I mean, of course she looks the same except she has short hair here and blah, blah, blah,

[00:07:52] whatever.

[00:07:53] But she's playing such a different character and doing such a good job playing this character

[00:07:58] so differently that it took me a beat to connect.

[00:08:01] Like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Sinta.

[00:08:04] It's funny though, in that interview, just in the thumbnail, I didn't watch it yet.

[00:08:07] In the thumbnail, you can see her beaming with a smile.

[00:08:10] I'm like, that is not either of these characters.

[00:08:12] It's so different.

[00:08:13] No.

[00:08:14] No.

[00:08:15] So she's a good actor.

[00:08:16] That's what that means.

[00:08:17] She seems a very bubbly person.

[00:08:19] But I liked the character and I'm excited because...

[00:08:23] Yeah, I'm excited to see more.

[00:08:24] At the end, I was like, oh yeah, I definitely want more of...

[00:08:28] Yeah, her maybe more than...

[00:08:30] The little girl was fine splice, but she was...

[00:08:35] Child actors are difficult, you know?

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:38] Every now and then you get a really good one.

[00:08:39] I don't know if this was in that category.

[00:08:41] No, there was some weird things going on.

[00:08:45] The first half when they were interacting on the base, that I thought really worked well.

[00:08:50] But then when she came out to the battlefield, I was like, what is going on with this little girl?

[00:08:54] Does she not realize that her father is dead?

[00:08:58] Is why she just looking at pictures without crying?

[00:09:02] Yeah.

[00:09:03] Well, it's a really weird thing that they do and a cool thing they do

[00:09:09] with pairing AI afterlife with Christian afterlife, right?

[00:09:14] Because these are Anglicans and they believe in heaven.

[00:09:16] They believe in a second...

[00:09:18] On a resurrection of the soul.

[00:09:20] And so when she's going to Rubio like, oh, he's just dead.

[00:09:24] He's not gone.

[00:09:25] It's such a weird soup of faith and science.

[00:09:31] Yeah.

[00:09:32] There's some...

[00:09:32] I just have to point out there's some interesting overlaps with the Beacon 23 plotline.

[00:09:38] Okay.

[00:09:39] Interesting.

[00:09:39] About the AI and afterlife.

[00:09:41] Yeah.

[00:09:42] Well, I was just expecting when she kept saying, where's my daddy for her to start going,

[00:09:46] are you my mummy?

[00:09:47] And then...

[00:09:47] Oh no.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:49] A lot starting to happen.

[00:09:51] I loved by the way, speaking of the deads that her father was named John Francis Vator,

[00:09:55] which of course, Vator is a play on father and also he's a minister.

[00:10:01] So he's a father.

[00:10:02] And did you notice the doctor said to him, from dad to dad.

[00:10:08] Yes.

[00:10:09] So it's another offhand reference to the fact he has a granddaughter, but then actually

[00:10:14] the fact that...

[00:10:15] And why haven't I really thought about this before?

[00:10:17] Who is Susan, his granddaughter's parents?

[00:10:21] Absolutely no idea.

[00:10:23] And I don't think it's ever addressed in the show.

[00:10:26] It's just presumably, you know what I mean?

[00:10:31] We can assume that he had a wife or partner or something and had kids, but I don't know

[00:10:40] how that happened at all.

[00:10:41] Is she an adopted grandchild?

[00:10:43] I don't know.

[00:10:46] It's very odd.

[00:10:47] I really hope they bring her back and I hope that it's good.

[00:10:52] And I hope that they make her more developed.

[00:10:55] In the first episode, I remember the doctor wants to go away from where they are and she's

[00:11:00] like, no grandfather, I love Earth in the 20th century.

[00:11:05] Okay.

[00:11:06] All right.

[00:11:07] Okay.

[00:11:08] So I really want them to bring back a real interesting time lady.

[00:11:13] Yeah, I haven't watched those episodes, but when I look up the character, the descriptions

[00:11:19] about people, the fact that people complained about what a stereotype she was.

[00:11:25] You know, what's interesting is that Barbara is so the doctor starts with three companions.

[00:11:30] So it's funny how now that's like the really unusual thing, but he always had more than

[00:11:34] one companion in the beginning.

[00:11:37] And it's interesting to see that Barbara, who was Susan's teacher, who gets sucked into

[00:11:43] the adventures, is actually really complicated and has her own motivations.

[00:11:48] They do fall into stereotypes sometimes.

[00:11:50] She's always the one who advocates for peace and things like that.

[00:11:53] But yeah, I think that it's just interesting that they were like, oh, well, this 15 year

[00:11:59] old, though, this 15 year old is going to be super, super whiny and one sided and constantly

[00:12:07] causing problems with her emotions.

[00:12:09] Somebody had beef with their own teenage daughter.

[00:12:15] That's funny.

[00:12:17] All right.

[00:12:17] Why don't I give a quick synopsis and then we can talk more about the episode specifics.

[00:12:21] Episode four is titled Boom, written by Stephen Moffat.

[00:12:25] The doctor and Ruby Sunday land on a war torn planet called Castarion 3, where metal robots

[00:12:30] kill anyone with even temporary injuries to avoid raising the costs of the war.

[00:12:35] The doctor steps on a landmine and remains balanced on one foot to avoid detonation.

[00:12:41] Ruby finds a tube the doctor can use as a counterweight, which turns out to be the remains

[00:12:45] of a recently deceased father and his AI recreation.

[00:12:49] The when Ruby is mortally wounded and the nurse robots around the group to Anglican

[00:12:54] soldiers are there with them.

[00:12:55] The doctor appeals to the AI version of John father to father and gets John to hack into

[00:13:02] the war corporations servers and disable the mine and the robots saving everyone involved.

[00:13:10] But then you forgot there's also the the tragic love story where the doctor and Ruby

[00:13:17] the tragic love story, which I have to say I I liked it actually because they completely

[00:13:23] surprised me because I thought, you know, the father dying.

[00:13:26] That's the tragedy of the episode.

[00:13:27] And then we have this love confession and immediately dead like what?

[00:13:34] Well, RIP Conto.

[00:13:36] I did leave that out because I cared very little about it.

[00:13:39] I was into it.

[00:13:40] I was into it.

[00:13:41] That's fine.

[00:13:43] We all like different things.

[00:13:45] Speaking of, you know, tragedy in this whole thing.

[00:13:48] I mean, this whole episode centers around capitalism and the war machine and religious

[00:13:54] wars.

[00:13:54] It's like a soup of it really does feel like a critique of like the American system

[00:14:00] and the English system at some point.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:02] The Brexit system kind of thing.

[00:14:04] Yeah.

[00:14:05] I mean, yeah, just I thought the most interesting quote to me in the episode is faith, the magic

[00:14:11] word that keeps you never thinking for yourself.

[00:14:13] And he walks back on that at the end when he's like, faith is how you keep the people you

[00:14:18] love in your heart.

[00:14:19] And it's a quote that I have wanted to talk about a little bit.

[00:14:25] But but yeah, he they do go hard on organized religion in the episode.

[00:14:33] They do.

[00:14:34] At the same time, I think they show that like this, you know, organized religion is a really

[00:14:41] bad thing in some ways.

[00:14:42] But faith within that organized religion can give some peace, like the way that splice

[00:14:49] remembers her dad and says, oh, he's not gone.

[00:14:52] He's with me still, even though he's dead.

[00:14:54] And so you do see the different sides of it.

[00:14:57] I think it's pretty nuanced.

[00:14:58] And I appreciate that.

[00:14:59] Yeah.

[00:15:00] No, I mean, I think faith is like anything else.

[00:15:03] It just depends how you use it.

[00:15:04] You know, if you use it to bury your head in the sand, then you're doing yourself and

[00:15:08] the world a disservice.

[00:15:10] If you use it to hold on to the things that matter to you, then yeah, then that's that's

[00:15:18] meaningful and valuable.

[00:15:20] Right.

[00:15:20] Or as a reason to be kind, right?

[00:15:23] Things like that.

[00:15:24] And, you know, I always think of the book Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari.

[00:15:28] I don't know if you've read that one.

[00:15:30] I haven't.

[00:15:31] I've heard a lot of stuff spoken about it.

[00:15:33] And from what I've heard, because I think it it ends its pulls from a lot of other books

[00:15:38] that I've read.

[00:15:39] So I'm familiar with the ideas.

[00:15:41] Yeah.

[00:15:41] Yeah.

[00:15:42] It's you know, he does this big thing on religion and he says, you know, I don't limit

[00:15:47] religions to, you know, theological ideas.

[00:15:52] I'm calling a religion anything that you basically put your faith in.

[00:15:56] And that could be capitalism.

[00:15:58] It could be the flag.

[00:15:59] It could be your country.

[00:16:00] It could be your chess group, right?

[00:16:02] Like anything that you really like, your ideals that, you know, the rule of law, that's that's

[00:16:08] a religion in his view.

[00:16:10] Yeah.

[00:16:10] And I think that that he basically says, if you don't have a God based religion, a theocratic

[00:16:19] religion, that's fine.

[00:16:20] But you got to replace it with something else.

[00:16:23] And and like, just because we as humans need to kind of believe in something.

[00:16:30] And I think that's that's an interesting idea.

[00:16:32] And I think that's it reminded me of that when the doctor is kind of walking back his

[00:16:37] statement.

[00:16:37] He's like, well, I do believe in his mantra, right?

[00:16:42] Like he believes in that sentiment that they say in the day of the doctor, I can't never

[00:16:46] cruel nor cowardly, right?

[00:16:47] All these things like that's his religion in my view.

[00:16:50] Yeah.

[00:16:51] Well, it's also interesting that he's singing.

[00:16:54] We hear him singing at the beginning.

[00:16:56] Well, not the beginning beginning, because actually I have to say that I forgot it was

[00:17:00] Dr. Who for a minute at the beginning because I was so sucked into the episode.

[00:17:03] And then the doctor and Ruby show up and I'm like, oh, yeah, right.

[00:17:07] But then when he steps in the mine, he's singing the Sky Boat song, which, by the way, I can't

[00:17:12] not think of Outlander because that's a theme song for Outlander.

[00:17:14] But it is, as he points out, it's about Bonnie Prince Charlie.

[00:17:19] And that is a kind of faith that the people who supported this prince in Scotland were

[00:17:28] yeah, I'm not to say that it was a religion, but it was a way that they organized their

[00:17:33] life around believing in this.

[00:17:35] Right.

[00:17:36] And this is just an interesting song to choose in an episode that seems themed on faith.

[00:17:45] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:46] I like that new I like when discussions never end anywhere where that's what Stephen Moffat's

[00:17:52] good at.

[00:17:52] He's like, I'm going to raise all these questions.

[00:17:53] I'm not giving you an answer.

[00:17:55] Yeah.

[00:17:55] What are the answers?

[00:17:56] You know, I don't know if you saw, but he recently did an interview about like where

[00:18:00] the doctor's regeneration status is.

[00:18:04] Okay.

[00:18:04] As far as like how many regenerations he has left.

[00:18:07] And he basically said, it doesn't matter, guys.

[00:18:09] We're always going to make an excuse to have more Dr. Who if we want it.

[00:18:14] Yeah.

[00:18:16] Anyway, I do like Stephen Moffat.

[00:18:18] He's a curmudgeon, but he's a lovable one.

[00:18:21] Yeah.

[00:18:23] No, I definitely haven't seen that.

[00:18:25] But yeah, I think that's a good point that people are like, well, we have to figure out

[00:18:30] how many you know, you can count up the regenerations.

[00:18:32] But it's just like, I mean, as soon as you know, we quote unquote ran out and then they're

[00:18:36] like, oh, new rule.

[00:18:38] Dr. Get some bunch more.

[00:18:40] Right.

[00:18:40] And it's like, there's no point in counting.

[00:18:42] Yeah, they definitely didn't think ahead with that.

[00:18:44] Like he's limited to this many regenerations.

[00:18:46] Like they never had to say that.

[00:18:48] But who could have who could have guessed that it would go on so long?

[00:18:53] Yeah, fair enough.

[00:18:54] Fair enough.

[00:18:55] I mean, it did get canceled after Dr. Seven.

[00:18:57] Yeah, true.

[00:18:58] True.

[00:18:59] I really liked how they foreshadowed there being no real enemy when he's like, hey,

[00:19:05] this is basically an empty planet.

[00:19:07] Why are they fighting here?

[00:19:08] That doesn't make sense.

[00:19:09] That was the moment because they first the soldiers said, oh, you know, they hide in

[00:19:14] the mist.

[00:19:14] And I was like, OK.

[00:19:16] And then they said as soon as he said that, I was like, oh, there's no enemy there.

[00:19:22] It's insane.

[00:19:23] Like they're just funding a war with no enemy.

[00:19:26] Yeah.

[00:19:27] And we get this ongoing theme of the season orphans.

[00:19:32] You know, this girl is now orphaned, but what's her family?

[00:19:36] And then she loses half of that.

[00:19:38] Jesus.

[00:19:39] Yeah, that's not great.

[00:19:41] Yeah.

[00:19:42] Well, she has another AI daddy now.

[00:19:44] Yeah, true, true.

[00:19:46] She's got double AI daddy.

[00:19:48] I guess her father, father was destroyed in his fight against algorithm.

[00:19:56] No, he was standing with them at the end.

[00:19:57] He was standing.

[00:19:58] Oh, I thought that that was the other guy with his face.

[00:20:01] I thought that was dad, but I don't know.

[00:20:03] OK.

[00:20:04] Kanto is the other guy.

[00:20:06] Oh, yeah.

[00:20:06] Then I guess.

[00:20:07] Yeah.

[00:20:08] Anyway, because maybe can they do an AI human romance with Kanto and what was her?

[00:20:15] What was the Varada Sethu's character's name?

[00:20:17] Doesn't matter.

[00:20:18] Oh, Mundi.

[00:20:18] Mundi, right.

[00:20:20] Right.

[00:20:20] Mundi Sundi.

[00:20:23] Mundi Sundi.

[00:20:25] I wanted to talk a little bit about this Villengard company, because this is now like a Moffat

[00:20:30] thing.

[00:20:31] So Villengard, I guess, is mentioned in his very first episode, The Doctor Dances.

[00:20:38] OK.

[00:20:38] And then it's talked about again and twice upon a time when he and Bill and the first

[00:20:47] doctor are with the 12th doctor and they're on this like abandoned, partially destroyed

[00:20:52] factory kind of planet.

[00:20:54] And that was the Villengard factory, which is destroyed at that point.

[00:20:57] OK.

[00:20:58] And there's also, I guess, a comic that I found out about by Googling this where I'm

[00:21:04] trying to figure out.

[00:21:05] I think it's the ninth doctor.

[00:21:06] Yeah.

[00:21:07] The ninth doctor.

[00:21:07] Oh, no, it's the war doctor.

[00:21:08] I'm sorry.

[00:21:09] The war doctor goes to the 13 weapon factories of Villengard before the Dalek fleet arrived

[00:21:16] to take control of them.

[00:21:17] And he used a molecular fruit bomb to turn the factories into palm trees, creating a

[00:21:23] banana grove.

[00:21:23] Which is the background to why the ninth doctor tells Jack Harkness he should carry a

[00:21:29] banana instead of a gun.

[00:21:31] Oh, OK.

[00:21:33] OK.

[00:21:34] I just had a thought.

[00:21:35] I just realized now that Disney has a stake in this, I wonder if the Doctor Who comics

[00:21:41] will show up on Marvel Unlimited.

[00:21:43] Ooh.

[00:21:45] Well, I don't know because don't they just have a publishing deal?

[00:21:48] Like they don't actually own the comics.

[00:21:49] No, they don't.

[00:21:50] But I don't know if they would work out a deal for that.

[00:21:52] I'm going to look into it.

[00:21:54] All right.

[00:21:54] Let us know.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:57] Anyway, I just think it's funny when people bring back their stuff.

[00:22:00] Yeah, no, I think I think it was great that he because we need that sort of, you know,

[00:22:04] it doesn't if anyone who didn't see the night, sorry, the 11th doctor, they miss nothing

[00:22:11] by not knowing that.

[00:22:13] He used to say that fish are not fish.

[00:22:15] Right.

[00:22:16] It's a reminder like this is still the same person in a different form and a lot's

[00:22:22] changed, but it's still someone who experienced what we saw them experience in their previous

[00:22:28] forms.

[00:22:30] Right, right.

[00:22:31] Yeah, I do like the callbacks.

[00:22:33] I like that they're not necessary, like you don't need to know any of that villain guard

[00:22:37] stuff.

[00:22:37] I just think it's fun.

[00:22:38] You know, the banana factory always brings back the stuff that we didn't see.

[00:22:41] Yeah.

[00:22:41] Do you think that was a villain guard banana?

[00:22:44] Probably.

[00:22:47] That's how he invented the banana daiquiri.

[00:22:51] That's that's a must watch, by the way, if you're listening to this and you're like,

[00:22:53] you don't I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:22:55] Go back.

[00:22:55] I think it's on Max in the US.

[00:22:57] I don't know where it is in other countries.

[00:22:59] But you can watch the girl in the fireplace, which is another Moffat story.

[00:23:04] I think it's on Amazon Prime.

[00:23:06] I don't know.

[00:23:06] I don't know.

[00:23:07] I don't know.

[00:23:08] I don't know.

[00:23:08] I don't know.

[00:23:09] I don't know.

[00:23:09] I don't know.

[00:23:10] It's on Amazon Prime here.

[00:23:13] Okay.

[00:23:14] And and probably on the BBC in the UK.

[00:23:18] Yeah.

[00:23:19] Yeah, ITV.

[00:23:21] But this is a great story where the doctor goes back.

[00:23:24] He invents the banana daiquiri.

[00:23:26] He goes into, you know, 1700s France.

[00:23:29] It's great.

[00:23:30] It's great.

[00:23:30] Really great stuff.

[00:23:33] But yeah, speaking of seeding things, we got our biggest Susan Twist cameo yet.

[00:23:37] She played the AI nurse.

[00:23:41] So it feels like...

[00:23:41] I didn't even recognize her.

[00:23:43] Yeah, see?

[00:23:44] But I think they're it looks like they're making her like more and more prominent

[00:23:49] until even people who aren't paying attention will start to be like,

[00:23:53] haven't we seen this woman before?

[00:23:55] What if she's a new Missy?

[00:23:57] Ooh, could be.

[00:24:00] I'd be into it.

[00:24:00] Or the Ronnie, like everybody wants.

[00:24:04] I mean, that would be a fun surprise.

[00:24:06] They did mention the Ronnie.

[00:24:07] Yeah.

[00:24:09] I wonder because that's the first time she's been mentioned, I think,

[00:24:11] since she was on the show with The Seventh Doctor.

[00:24:14] And anyone who doesn't know the Ronnie is a female Time Lord who's she's wicked also.

[00:24:20] That's time lady to you.

[00:24:22] Yeah, well, whatever.

[00:24:24] I don't genderize my species.

[00:24:28] But she is like wicked, but then in a way that's focused on like science and,

[00:24:34] you know, like the kind of wicked that I like, personally.

[00:24:38] Okay.

[00:24:40] Okay.

[00:24:42] Yeah, I would like to see some other Time Lords or ladies involved in the series,

[00:24:47] whether it's Susan or the Ronnie or Missy or whatever, because I just I want I love

[00:24:53] when The Doctor goes up against other Time Lords.

[00:24:55] It's the best.

[00:24:55] Yeah.

[00:24:56] Yeah.

[00:24:56] And then that's also when you can get more Gallifrey lore and, you know, just general

[00:25:02] because I'm still waiting for this, you know, backstory of where The Doctor came from.

[00:25:08] And what is you and I were having a discussion?

[00:25:11] What's the difference between a Time Lord and a Gallifreyan?

[00:25:14] Right.

[00:25:15] Yeah.

[00:25:15] Right in.

[00:25:17] Yeah, I really love the Gallifrey lore.

[00:25:19] It's funny, there was another Stephen Moffat quote from the 90s.

[00:25:23] I think it was 1995.

[00:25:25] They found his account where he used his real name on a forum,

[00:25:29] like way before he was a showrunner in Doctor Who.

[00:25:32] And he said, if they're rebooting this, they got to get rid of all that Gallifrey stuff.

[00:25:36] It's so stupid.

[00:25:37] All the Time Lord stuff is stupid, which is so funny because he's the one who brought it back

[00:25:42] after Russell T Davies destroyed it.

[00:25:46] Yeah, that's I mean, that's that is interesting because it's also, you know,

[00:25:52] he's doing similar things with stuff that Chibnall did that people don't necessarily

[00:25:57] like, but he's like, oh, wait, let me see what I can do with this.

[00:26:01] Right. But what's so interesting to me is like, this was taken care of.

[00:26:03] He never had to go to Gallifrey in his series.

[00:26:07] Oh, it's so silly.

[00:26:08] But it seems like this stuff maybe just like niggles into his head and then

[00:26:13] he thinks about it and then he's like, well, actually, I have a story.

[00:26:18] Well, what do you think we saw another snowfall?

[00:26:22] What do you think's going on there?

[00:26:24] Maybe because it was a moment where she might die.

[00:26:29] Is that what we saw her?

[00:26:31] Is it snowing?

[00:26:32] Is it almost when she might die when when we've seen it snowing the last few episodes?

[00:26:37] Because she was like in captivity of Maestro.

[00:26:42] And the other time she was being chased by the monster, right?

[00:26:46] So when there's fear, maybe it's a comfort.

[00:26:48] Maybe that or like because it was there when she was born, it'll be there when she dies.

[00:26:55] Or maybe she has a guardian angel or something.

[00:26:58] So I don't say this out of nowhere.

[00:27:01] I teased about that final quote.

[00:27:03] He says, the doctor says at the end of the episode, a sad old man once told me what survives

[00:27:07] of us is love.

[00:27:08] And so this is referring to what survives of us is love is the last line of a poem by Philip

[00:27:15] Larkin.

[00:27:16] And Larkin, he's an Englishman, you know, in the like mid 20th century.

[00:27:22] And this one poem called the Arendelle Tomb from 1956.

[00:27:28] It's one of his most famous ones.

[00:27:30] And he wrote it after visiting the actual Arendelle Tomb, which is in Chichester Cathedral.

[00:27:37] And it houses the bodies of an earl and his wife named Arendelle, obviously.

[00:27:47] And you can see on the tomb, they're laying down and holding hands, the couple.

[00:27:53] And so the poem talks about the concept of love and how it's affected by time and more

[00:27:59] specifically death.

[00:28:01] And then it ends with what survives of us is love.

[00:28:03] And what's also interesting is another part of the poem.

[00:28:08] There's a line that says rigidly they persisted linked through lengths and breadths of time,

[00:28:14] snow fell undated.

[00:28:18] Ooh, snow fell undated.

[00:28:24] This is good.

[00:28:26] This is some good conspiracy theory theorizing.

[00:28:30] I mean...

[00:28:31] Good job, Alicia.

[00:28:32] I'm still on Susan Twist was cast because of her name.

[00:28:37] Maybe, maybe.

[00:28:38] Maybe Susan is the guardian angel because that's Ruby's mom.

[00:28:44] Although one thing I'll say is I was expecting when the...

[00:28:49] I don't think Ruby's a time lady because I was expecting when the robot attached her

[00:28:57] being like two hearts detected or something like that.

[00:28:59] Oh yeah.

[00:28:59] Something to indicate that it didn't know how to treat her.

[00:29:04] But no, it did treat her as human.

[00:29:05] They kind of tease it though when they were like age 3,006 years or whatever it was.

[00:29:09] Right.

[00:29:10] But I guess it's because they're in the future.

[00:29:12] Right, right.

[00:29:14] But then yeah, they couldn't find her next of kin.

[00:29:17] Unless it was biological age.

[00:29:19] Yeah.

[00:29:21] Yeah, because they couldn't find her next of kin which if they were just looking in

[00:29:24] the records for her, her next of kin would be her mom.

[00:29:27] But if they're looking specifically for biological, then maybe that's where it sputtered and failed.

[00:29:35] Tricky, tricky.

[00:29:38] All right.

[00:29:39] Well, that was a fun episode.

[00:29:42] One more joke I want to point out.

[00:29:44] Why does the mind glow?

[00:29:45] Capitalism.

[00:29:46] Very funny.

[00:29:48] But this one, it did also hurt my heart in a good way.

[00:29:52] So I really like this one.

[00:29:54] Yeah.

[00:29:55] The more we talk about it, the more I like it.

[00:29:56] So I'm glad that we did and we'll definitely be back next week for more.

[00:30:01] But first, we got to get to feedback.

[00:30:04] We've got Marilyn Arbuquillo who wrote in just like you can via TARDIS at thelorehounds.com

[00:30:10] or thelorehounds.com slash contact or Discord or contact forms or voicemails.

[00:30:17] Oh my.

[00:30:17] So many ways.

[00:30:18] Yep, yep.

[00:30:20] Hello, John and Alicia.

[00:30:21] I'm a little behind in sending in my reactions to the different Who episodes, but I hope

[00:30:25] I can catch up with all of it now.

[00:30:28] First, I'll give you my reactions to the first three episodes or rather the second

[00:30:32] and the third.

[00:30:33] You know what I mean, followed by the reaction short to your podcast.

[00:30:38] I enjoyed the Ruby Road episode very much, though I've lost my notes that I made back

[00:30:42] in Christmas time.

[00:30:44] So I'm not going to try to resurrect those for now.

[00:30:47] Of Space Babies and The Devil's Chord, I definitely like Space Babies better.

[00:30:51] Interesting.

[00:30:52] It was cute.

[00:30:53] It was funny.

[00:30:54] It was moving.

[00:30:54] And while I certainly have no basis on which to claim that it's classic Who because I really

[00:31:00] am a newbie to the whole world of Who.

[00:31:02] I believe both of you said something along those lines.

[00:31:05] What I mostly enjoyed were many of the Doctor's one-liners.

[00:31:10] It was particularly touching to hear him say, nobody grows up wrong because I found myself

[00:31:15] wondering if anyone ever told shooty that when he was young.

[00:31:18] I also picked up on the whole it's illegal to stop the baby station even though nobody

[00:31:23] is supporting it anymore reference.

[00:31:25] There was also something about refugees having to show up on the other shore on their own

[00:31:30] because nobody fetches them.

[00:31:32] Good point.

[00:31:33] I was just discussing that in the Beacon 23 episode too.

[00:31:36] Oh.

[00:31:37] A lot of crossovers.

[00:31:38] All crossing over.

[00:31:40] I think I have that quote a bit messed up, but it did strike me as being somewhat politically

[00:31:44] pertinent.

[00:31:45] I cheered at the babies to the rescue line and really laughed upon learning that the

[00:31:49] monster was made of baby boogies.

[00:31:52] Definitely all structured around fairy tale tropes, which were fun.

[00:31:56] And of course we have a fairy tale prohibition.

[00:31:59] Don't go back to your birth date.

[00:32:00] We'll see what develops from that.

[00:32:04] What do you think?

[00:32:05] I just want to pause there.

[00:32:07] So Marilyn liked the space babies episode better.

[00:32:10] Surprising.

[00:32:12] I mean, it's not it wasn't the one that I liked better, but I she explains why and I

[00:32:19] see it that there's it's light and fun.

[00:32:23] And and I think maybe it was a little this that was an episode that was designed for

[00:32:30] onboarding new people.

[00:32:31] And for it for us who knows the lore, we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, not really a doctor.

[00:32:38] Go on, you know?

[00:32:40] So it wasn't that episode wasn't really it was made more for Marilyn than for us.

[00:32:45] Right, right.

[00:32:46] Fair enough.

[00:32:47] And I will say it might be the consensus of the community that the second episode was

[00:32:52] better.

[00:32:53] The Devil's core was better, but it like you said, it's the community is mostly made up

[00:32:58] of people who have been following this a while.

[00:33:01] Yeah, all right.

[00:33:02] Marilyn continues.

[00:33:04] Yes, Marilyn continues as for the Devil's court.

[00:33:07] At one point I thought Maestro was composing.

[00:33:09] I wish they were just decomposing.

[00:33:11] I get a little tired of the oh my God, this monster is too much for me.

[00:33:14] We can't survive, followed by some ingenious way of being able to escape from this monster.

[00:33:21] Yes, sometimes those methods are more painful than others, but they've used that trope any

[00:33:26] number of times, at least in the few things that I've seen.

[00:33:29] And it gets a little tired.

[00:33:33] On the other hand, I agree that the Maestro is a lovely villain.

[00:33:37] And again, they were some lovely lines.

[00:33:39] I can only smile like this because I've lost too much is pure gold.

[00:33:44] Yeah, I think Marilyn, you're going to have to get used to that trope because that's just

[00:33:49] Dr. Who.

[00:33:50] It's I mean, this is like the skeletons of the episodes are pretty much that trope.

[00:33:56] But then it's really the love for the show is about the meat behind that, you know, the

[00:34:02] thoughts and just and just the fun shenanigans, of course.

[00:34:05] Right.

[00:34:05] It's an adventure of the week, right?

[00:34:07] So like, you just kind of got to go with it.

[00:34:09] There is an overall arc to each season in New Who.

[00:34:13] But it's not like it's not like a lot of other shows.

[00:34:17] This is very much about a weekly adventure.

[00:34:21] Marilyn says, I really laughed when they started to play dance macabre in the final musical

[00:34:26] battle.

[00:34:28] They and those were my dances back in the day.

[00:34:31] I enjoyed the pun about the twist, particularly when I saw Henry peeking around the corner

[00:34:36] of the door.

[00:34:37] It seems to me that he is clearly the twist in the plot and possibly the next child of

[00:34:42] the toy maker.

[00:34:43] Well, he said he was the child of Maestro.

[00:34:46] Oh, I missed that at the beginning of the episode.

[00:34:50] OK.

[00:34:51] We have already been introduced to him.

[00:34:53] And so he pops out in the middle of the twist scene without needing any explanation.

[00:34:58] I have to say, though, that the depressed Beatles were something of a downer to me.

[00:35:03] I understand why they did it the way they did it.

[00:35:04] But when they said the Beatles and Abbey Road, I was all set to go with them for something

[00:35:08] really joyous.

[00:35:09] Oh, well.

[00:35:11] And wasn't the toy makers accent German?

[00:35:13] This is referring to something you said, Alicia, that they were all.

[00:35:16] Yeah.

[00:35:17] Yeah, he was faking it, though.

[00:35:19] And he when he dropped his accent, it's it's American, thankfully, because he was doing

[00:35:24] a really like hammy stereotypical German accent.

[00:35:27] Yes.

[00:35:27] And I believe he did some very offensive accents in the classic series.

[00:35:31] Right.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:33] That we would not approve of today.

[00:35:35] Right.

[00:35:36] So this is kind of referring to that the toy maker just puts on these personas and does

[00:35:43] bad accents.

[00:35:44] Yeah, I do think that his real accent, if there is one, is American.

[00:35:50] Yeah, because he dropped it like sometimes, especially when he was doing that.

[00:35:54] So for anyone who doesn't know, we're referring to the 60th anniversary specials.

[00:35:59] And when he does the puppet show and you know, sometimes when.

[00:36:04] When he was.

[00:36:04] That's all right then.

[00:36:05] Yeah, exactly.

[00:36:06] He would go full American for that.

[00:36:08] Yeah.

[00:36:10] Well, I guess we'll have to see if Neil Patrick Harris comes back.

[00:36:14] I feel like he has to in like the season finale or something.

[00:36:17] Yeah, I think so.

[00:36:18] I mean, although OK, so one thing I learned this week is that the Pantheon was actually

[00:36:25] first brought up in the Sarah Jane Chronicles, which I didn't watch that.

[00:36:30] But apparently, yeah, they that was the first time they said the Pantheon.

[00:36:34] But there was a different a different character we haven't seen on this show.

[00:36:39] Yeah, I never watched that either because I just never really watched any of those spin offs.

[00:36:42] I tried Torchwood for a little bit and it was a little exhausting.

[00:36:44] So I love Torchwood.

[00:36:46] Torchwood's my favorite.

[00:36:47] Who?

[00:36:47] All right.

[00:36:48] Isn't that Chibnall?

[00:36:50] Is it?

[00:36:50] No, it's.

[00:36:53] I'm pretty sure Torchwood is Chibnall.

[00:36:55] Let's find out right now.

[00:36:56] All right.

[00:36:56] All right.

[00:36:56] Let's check Torchwood show.

[00:36:59] Torchwood.

[00:37:00] Let's see.

[00:37:00] Executive producers.

[00:37:02] Let's see.

[00:37:04] Showrunners Chris Chibnall.

[00:37:06] Whoa.

[00:37:06] OK, well, I don't know why that works for me so much better than his run on who?

[00:37:13] I don't know.

[00:37:14] I don't know, but he was the Torchwood guy.

[00:37:16] OK, well, then that like I apologize for some blanket not liking of him.

[00:37:25] It's maybe apparently I do like him a bit.

[00:37:29] All right, let's move on to the end of Marilyn's comment.

[00:37:32] As for your pod, which I enjoyed very much.

[00:37:34] Thanks, Marilyn.

[00:37:35] The one thing I was thinking of was Doctor Who having a granddaughter named Susan.

[00:37:39] It probably won't surprise John that I went directly to this world and thought just like

[00:37:42] death, who what I want to know is who copied who Terry Pratchett copied Doctor Who.

[00:37:48] If if anybody copied anybody because Terry Pratchett wrote that, I think 20 years later

[00:37:53] as and as soon as I heard you say this, I thought for sure Susan was the woman in the

[00:37:57] cloak and therefore Ruby's mother, which would make Ruby the doctor's great granddaughter,

[00:38:02] which could explain a lot of why they get on so well.

[00:38:05] I'm not putting any Internet points on this.

[00:38:08] I know too little of Doctor Who, but what I do know is they're forever coming up with

[00:38:12] unexpected occurrences.

[00:38:14] All the best, Marilyn.

[00:38:15] What do you think about this?

[00:38:16] That that's why the doctor and and Ruby are getting on well?

[00:38:21] I mean, there's definitely people theorizing along with Marilyn on the Internet that something

[00:38:27] like that could be the case.

[00:38:29] Yeah, it seems perfectly plausible to me.

[00:38:31] I don't I'm again, I'm also not putting any Internet points on it, but it wouldn't surprise

[00:38:35] me.

[00:38:36] Yeah, I think that this is definitely very possible, although I will say the doctor kind

[00:38:40] of just gets along with all of his companions pretty quickly.

[00:38:42] Of course, he's he just starts running.

[00:38:45] There's there's a whole joke with Donna that I always think of.

[00:38:48] She's she goes, there's really an, you know.

[00:38:53] An exhausting amount of running in the show being a companion, absurd amount of running.

[00:38:59] But yeah, he basically just says, you know, run for your life.

[00:39:01] Let's go.

[00:39:01] That's I think the first thing he says for to Rose, right?

[00:39:05] Rose, I'm the doctor.

[00:39:06] Run for your life.

[00:39:06] Me life.

[00:39:08] But then he has to click with them.

[00:39:09] I've been starting to get more into the night doctor.

[00:39:11] So now I'm now I'm thinking about it.

[00:39:14] If I mean, if he didn't get along with them, they wouldn't come with him.

[00:39:17] Right.

[00:39:18] So right.

[00:39:18] There has to be a click.

[00:39:20] Presumably we don't see other people he meets where there's just no click.

[00:39:24] He's just like, OK, well, have a nice life.

[00:39:28] We don't get to see his game shows where he's like it's like The Bachelor, but the companion.

[00:39:33] Yeah.

[00:39:34] Do you remember when they tried to make the next doctor like a game show kind of thing?

[00:39:39] No, that was a thing.

[00:39:41] When when Matt Smith was announced to be leaving,

[00:39:45] they had this whole thing where they were going to do this like pageant of who's going to be the

[00:39:48] next doctor.

[00:39:49] What I didn't I didn't know about that.

[00:39:51] And you should look it up.

[00:39:52] And then they have like Peter Capaldi come out to lights and everything.

[00:39:56] Yeah.

[00:39:57] And it fell so flat because this was the doctor where everyone said we're ready for a minority

[00:40:02] or a woman doctor.

[00:40:04] And this old white man comes out and everyone went, oh,

[00:40:09] but he was he ended up being a great doctor and one of my favorites.

[00:40:11] I like it.

[00:40:12] I like him.

[00:40:13] Yeah.

[00:40:14] But but I see the point of like why another one?

[00:40:18] Yeah.

[00:40:20] Anyway, funny times.

[00:40:22] Go look it up on YouTube, folks.

[00:40:23] When they when they did make it a woman.

[00:40:28] Well, I don't want to litigate that tonight.

[00:40:30] You know,

[00:40:32] justice for Jodie Whittaker.

[00:40:33] That's all.

[00:40:34] Yeah, yeah.

[00:40:35] I think she was a good casting.

[00:40:37] Yeah.

[00:40:38] All right.

[00:40:38] Let's go into also I just want to rant about one thing.

[00:40:41] Why did they not?

[00:40:42] Why did they tell her not to watch anything prior to her playing the doctor?

[00:40:47] I don't I whenever people say that I think that that it's like it shows a lack of faith

[00:40:55] in the person of faith, faith in the person that you're casting,

[00:40:59] because like, oh, if they see that they can't help but copy it.

[00:41:03] And even if they did copy it, it wouldn't be a bad thing to a certain extent,

[00:41:06] because it's still a different person.

[00:41:08] Yeah.

[00:41:09] I mean, I'll say I think Matt Smith's doctor is very similar to Patrick Troughton's doctor.

[00:41:14] Okay.

[00:41:15] And in just terms of vibe, and it's great.

[00:41:18] Like they're both great to is one of my favorite doctors now that I'm watching the

[00:41:22] classic series.

[00:41:24] Yeah.

[00:41:24] I mean, I think that Jodi Whitaker did the doctor part well, but it was the writing that

[00:41:31] let her down.

[00:41:31] Yeah.

[00:41:33] Yeah, I agree with that.

[00:41:35] All right, let's talk about our programming notes.

[00:41:38] If you want to support us and get early and ad free access to our podcast,

[00:41:41] you can go to patreon.com slash the lore hounds or you can get to the supercast link.

[00:41:45] Both of those are within our link tree in the show notes.

[00:41:48] You know, you can get show guides for House of the Dragon and an incoming show guide for

[00:41:54] the Rings of Power.

[00:41:56] We do plenty of additional content like second breakfast, Shireside chats, and I think we're

[00:42:01] going to announce something else coming.

[00:42:04] Another Patreon exclusive podcast that's kind of newish.

[00:42:11] But for now, those are your benefits.

[00:42:13] Hope you'll join us.

[00:42:14] It's a great time.

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[00:42:29] Now we have a bunch of affiliates.

[00:42:32] Alicia, I want to talk about your work.

[00:42:35] Sure.

[00:42:35] So on will shift dust, we just released the episode talking about Beacon 23 season two

[00:42:42] episodes four through six.

[00:42:43] And then next week we will be wrapping it up with the last two episodes of the season.

[00:42:48] And on the Star Wars Canon timeline podcast, we are this week beginning with the High Republic

[00:42:56] content.

[00:42:56] So this is the era in which in which the acolyte takes place.

[00:43:00] So over the next two weeks, we're going to be releasing some episodes about events in

[00:43:05] the High Republic leading up to the acolyte, which takes place at the end of the High

[00:43:09] Republic and which John, you and I will be covering weekly.

[00:43:13] Yeah, should be a lot of fun.

[00:43:16] Very excited for that one.

[00:43:17] If you like sci fi, come back to Star Wars.

[00:43:19] It won't hurt you.

[00:43:22] Radioactive rambling at the beginning.

[00:43:24] So yes, it's a good onboarding point.

[00:43:28] Radioactive ramblings is still going with a with their fallout coverage.

[00:43:32] They're doing some lore based episodes.

[00:43:35] Aaron's got another co host and they are going through the lore of the Brotherhood of Steel,

[00:43:41] the origins of the I think it's the New California Republic.

[00:43:44] I don't know what anything is.

[00:43:46] Things mean, but it sounds cool.

[00:43:48] It sounds cool.

[00:43:49] I've listened to some of it and they explain it very clearly.

[00:43:51] I hope people check it out.

[00:43:53] They're also doing some coverage of Invincible Season two rings and rituals is going.

[00:44:00] They've done up through Episode five of the Rings of Power Season one, looking at it through

[00:44:04] the lens of ritual.

[00:44:05] They talk about, you know, the singing to the mountain with the dwarf.

[00:44:09] They talk about, you know, how the elves act towards each other.

[00:44:13] It's really great podcast.

[00:44:14] I hope you'll check that out to please subscribe to it.

[00:44:19] Properly Howard movie review in their felonies and fugazi season.

[00:44:23] They just put out gross point blank, which I don't know what that is, but I'm going to

[00:44:27] listen to it after we're done recording because it sounds like a great time.

[00:44:30] You don't even have to have to watch the movies.

[00:44:33] You can just listen to them and they just joke around about them.

[00:44:35] You don't know what gross point blank is.

[00:44:37] Oh, it's a class.

[00:44:37] I've never heard of it even.

[00:44:40] Oh, OK.

[00:44:41] You should watch it.

[00:44:41] It's a fun it's yeah, a fun caper right in.

[00:44:48] They're going to close out the season with Rocky, which should be fun, which I also haven't

[00:44:51] seen, but don't tell David because then he'll add it to his old man list.

[00:44:56] Philadelphia.

[00:44:57] OK, let's talk about really quickly what we're covering on the lore hounds.

[00:45:02] We've got, like you said, the acolyte that's going to be cross posted here and on your

[00:45:05] feed.

[00:45:06] We've got House of the Dragon coming and we are already doing our season one rewatch.

[00:45:12] We've got an episode of the Star Wars Film Fest where we're talking about a new hope,

[00:45:16] the original Star Wars 1977 movie and talk about the production of it, the plot, all that

[00:45:21] jazz.

[00:45:23] Then we also have.

[00:45:27] Doctor Who every week and some early in stories and plenty of other ongoing projects.

[00:45:33] Alicia, who do we have to thank today?

[00:45:36] So let's give some shout outs to first.

[00:45:39] Thank you to our discord server boosters who just make discord a more fun and customizable

[00:45:46] place.

[00:45:47] So that would be Narls, Aaron Kay, Tiller the Thriller, Dork of the Ninjas, Dove71 and

[00:45:53] CaptainGinji56, who's a new co-host with Aaron on Fallout.

[00:45:59] And our lore masters who make all of this possible.

[00:46:05] Thank you so much.

[00:46:06] Samartian, Michael G, Michelle E, David W, Brian P, Nick W, S C, Peter O H, Bettina W,

[00:46:14] Adam S, Nancy M, Dove71, Brian8063, Frederick H, Sarah L, Gareth C, Eric F, Matthew M,

[00:46:23] Sarah M, DJ Miwa, Andra B, Kwong Yoo, JediJediBob, Nathan T, Alex V, Sub Zero, Aaron T, Aaron

[00:46:32] K, Dali V, Mothership61, Narls, and Adrian, always last.

[00:46:40] I'm loving hearing it.

[00:46:42] See, we always had me and David do it.

[00:46:44] So now it's fun to hear you do the Narls.

[00:46:47] We get some new Narls in there.

[00:46:49] All right.

[00:46:50] Thanks, everyone.

[00:46:51] It was a lot of fun.

[00:46:52] See you somewhere else in time and space.

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