Would you rather make music with your grandma or your ex? In this week’s Sidetrack, Mark and Nichole create a family tree of iconic family bands and artists. From twins to parents and uncles, we talk through the superpowers these groups get through their family connections. Check out a full episode next week!
Music heard in this episode: Hanson - “MMMBop”, Bee Gees - “More Than a Woman”, Fleetwood Mac - “Go Your Own Way”, The White Stripes - “Blue Orchid”, Tegan and Sara - “Closer”, The Breeders - “Cannonball”, Jackson 5 - “I Want You Back”, The Judds - “Mama He’s Crazy”, Heart - “Magic Man”, Sly and The Family Stone - “Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)”, The Interrupters - “She’s Kerosene”, The Beach Boys - “Surfin’ Safari”, LMFAO - “Party Rock Anthem”
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00:00 --> 00:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Brothers and sisters, brothers and sisters, right?
00:02 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_07]: Do they share in that superpower?
00:04 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_07]: If feels like a collective, like a collective family feel, or they actually have a little family's, they're neighbors.
00:12 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Where are they?
00:12 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know the part just family, not really.
00:14 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we're just too young.
00:15 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_07]: We're too young.
00:16 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_06]: But like, where they are, they were real family.
00:19 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_06]: That's what the awesomeness were, right?
00:21 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
00:21 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_07]: Donnie Marie Osman, we're actual sisters, I'm pretty sure.
00:24 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, brothers and sisters.
00:25 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, thank you, but also we're not supposed to do it on our conventions.
00:29 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, but no, but I'm just saying, like, but weren't the Osmond's part of the Partridge family?
00:33 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_07]: No idea.
00:34 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think so.
00:34 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's the Osmond's and the Partridge family is a different partridge family.
00:37 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we're just two or eight babies.
00:39 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_06]: We're, yeah, Mark's a zoomer.
00:43 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_07]: Kind of wish I was a zoomer, except man, that economy, getting into getting a job out of college now.
00:47 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_07]: Yikes.
00:59 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Hi, I'm Mark.
01:00 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and I'm Nicole.
01:02 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_07]: And this is a never mind the music side track.
01:04 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly, exactly.
01:05 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
01:06 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_06]: with sidetracked, tractor.
01:08 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_07]: How do we?
01:09 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Or I could just put an echo in, actually.
01:11 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you just say you have the tools for that.
01:13 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_07]: OK. We had an episode talking about the three sisters of Haim.
01:18 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_07]: If you have not listened, listeners, go listen.
01:20 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_07]: That was a real fun episode to record and to listen to some music.
01:25 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_07]: But we wanted to talk about family bands, family musical artists.
01:30 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_07]: And so we do not know what each other is going to bring to the table.
01:34 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_07]: But what we decided to do is just each come up with one example of each combination, not every combination, but like I tried to find some brothers, some parents, right?
01:46 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
01:46 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_07]: That kind of thing.
01:48 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_07]: So we've got, I know you're not one for goofy category names.
01:51 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't make goofy category names.
01:53 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_07]: But I have categories.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I have categories.
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_07]: So I want to propose something.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
01:59 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know how I've already been talking.
02:00 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_07]: So you're definitely going to start.
02:02 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_07]: OK.
02:02 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_07]: I want to propose that we don't do on our bull mentions.
02:05 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
02:06 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_07]: When we did the, when we've done some of our list episodes, we were like, oh, but I would have done this Christmas song, too.
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_07]: And we kind of shattered out a bunch.
02:14 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like if we do this, we're going to end up with a million.
02:17 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
02:18 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_07]: I almost wonder and plus, then we're exposing ourselves to people saying, but they never even mentioned my favorite as an honorable mention.
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
02:25 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_07]: That was sad.
02:26 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_07]: We just say in one and we're moving on.
02:28 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_07]: I've got honorable mentions listed here and I looked at my list and I'm like, we know that there's two van Halen brothers in Van Halen.
02:35 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_07]: I could shout them out, but except for that one that I'm just shouting out, no more shoutouts, we're each going to do one.
02:42 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_07]: You're going to tell me a thing and then I'm going to see if I have a similar thing.
02:45 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_07]: And we'll just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back and just go back
02:55 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_07]: and mention what super power they get because of that bond.
03:00 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_06]: She really put me on the spot here, okay?
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_07]: We can do it.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_07]: Start us off.
03:04 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so my first brother band is Hanson, not a Hanson fan, but the thing I like about Hanson,
03:13 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_06]: is they grew up together and stayed close, which we don't often see in family bands of brothers and sisters.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Like they all go solo or whatever.
03:22 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like they want to branch out and do their own thing.
03:25 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Like they stayed together.
03:27 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_06]: quite a bit and what I like about it is I know a lot about developmental psychology and how like children grow and adolescents grow over time and I don't know how familiar you are with Eric Erickson's theory of psychosocial development but who isn't he said that.
03:44 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_06]: During adolescence, we go through a real period of identity versus role confusion, and it makes sense that the roles that you try on during adolescence, you don't necessarily carry with you into early adulthood, like you change, you know, you change who you are, and you try on a bunch of different things, and then you pick one that works that you move forward with.
04:03 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_06]: and Hansen, they never really did that.
04:05 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_06]: They stuck in their roles and grew.
04:07 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_07]: They kept the same roles.
04:08 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_06]: They just kept the same roles, kind of without trying any other thing else on, which is not, I'm not, maybe not healthy.
04:16 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_06]: It's maybe not healthy to be honest.
04:18 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_07]: So the superpower they have is brothers.
04:21 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Your saying is almost,
04:22 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_07]: not the super power most groups would have as brothers, they're like doing the opposite almost.
04:25 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_06]: They're like sticking together and growing their music together and they're not having conflict like the Oasis brothers did or, you know, we're not we're they're able to grow each other over time, which is really, really cool.
04:39 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_07]: Sweet.
04:40 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think Bob is probably the best example.
04:43 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
04:50 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:50 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:50 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell me who will feel
04:55 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you can even play different versions of um-bop when like when they first broke and then later on when they cover it and they're men now and they're still singing um-bop
05:22 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_06]: and the tone of it's very different, but it's still...
05:25 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's still pretty good song, yeah.
05:55 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, brothers growing together.
05:57 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_07]: So I've got brothers, and I went with another one that maybe is kind of obvious for folks or like a common trio.
06:04 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
06:05 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_07]: And I tried to not always use the low hanging fruit but I'm going the BGs.
06:09 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, cool, the brothers give.
06:10 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_07]: The brothers give Barry Morrison Robin and the super power there is even though they kind of have weird voices.
06:17 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_07]: They sound like if you listen to like Robin who has got a lot of the leads on the earth he's got kind of a goofy voice But man, they sound so good together.
06:25 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_07]: We're missing and like only family members could.
06:29 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_07]: I think here's more than a woman from 1977 Saturday night fever.
06:34 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not their biggest hit, but I just love this song a lot
07:02 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_06]: You would have been so into disco if we were of like the age to be into disco.
07:07 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_07]: Honestly, you find every decade in those, but you could also say the same, I would have been really into punk at the same time.
07:13 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_07]: And the cultures wouldn't overlap in a way to let me do that.
07:17 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_07]: This is the weird thing.
07:19 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_07]: I would have been super into Yacht Rock in the early 80s, but I also would have been into the hardcore punk in the late 80s too.
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_07]: You couldn't have done both.
07:25 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_07]: You can now, which is lovely.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_06]: It's really awesome.
07:28 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm free to like both now.
07:29 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Is that cool?
07:30 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you're grown up and you have free well.
07:32 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't have you you figured out your identity you're not a real confusion anymore.
07:36 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_07]: Totally.
07:37 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_07]: What do you got next?
07:38 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_06]: It's very low hanging fruit.
07:40 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_06]: So I have Fleetwood Mac and X is like X lovers becoming friends.
07:47 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my on stage together.
07:49 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_07]: Is there a song that epitomizes that.
07:51 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I think go your own way is for sure the most accessible one.
08:05 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but don't be gay.
08:12 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Definitely.
08:12 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Like this projection of unresolved, like emotional, like a breakup that's happened happening before our eyes, like in lyrics and on stage.
08:20 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And then they're singing the song to each other.
08:22 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, every night, almost.
08:24 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_06]: And just kind of reliving that trauma every night, which I think is really cool.
08:29 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, maybe that's better than therapy in some ways.
08:35 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_07]: They apparently, they, you know, they stayed together through all that, you know, and that's a Lindsey Buckingham song, written probably about Stevie Nix, because they were dating and then they became exes, but Christine McVee and John McVee were married and then divorced while in the band.
08:49 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_07]: So like, don't stop is about that breakup.
08:52 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, Stevie Nixon and Lindsey Buckingham, they were a couple and they broke up and then they eventually left the band.
08:58 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
08:58 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And nothing like to work together.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Are they?
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I think so.
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
09:03 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_06]: But it's a lot about, like, in first, like, all I think about, like, attachment theory a lot, like, avoid in dynamics with creative partnerships and how, like, you need to be vulnerable with your creative partner and how that line of vulnerability can get pretty blurry.
09:17 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And how often we can't see that music history, that, like,
09:21 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_06]: there's relationships in bands because like a really vulnerable experience, I imagine I don't know.
09:26 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_07]: But what do they, if you couldn't pull it off like they did, what do you benefit from that?
09:31 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_06]: You benefit from this like raw vulnerability on stage and like the really connected emotionally charged lyrics delivered in a way that has a lot of emotional backbone to it.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_06]: That's not made up.
09:43 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_06]: It's real and audience can feel that and I respect that.
09:47 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's a superpower.
09:49 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:49 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Because it gives you grit and depth to your relationship if you can survive it.
09:54 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_07]: If you can most groups would break up.
09:56 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, most groups would.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_07]: So I have access to.
09:59 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
09:59 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I did the white stripes.
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
10:01 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Jack and Meg and famously it was unclear at first publicly whether they were siblings or husband or wife.
10:07 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_07]: They were exes.
10:07 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_06]: And thought they were siblings.
10:08 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_07]: And interestingly like Jack Gillis.
10:11 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Then took white.
10:12 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_07]: Meg White was the white and JAP changed to be white when they either when they got married or when they became That I like that.
10:20 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_07]: There's so what song to play there's there's a million eye chose to go with blue orchid from 2005
10:45 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_07]: And I just think it is like living in that tension and there's like a coldness to certain aspects of this kind of music this garage back garage rock revival kind of that I think benefits from them probably having some issues with each other.
11:01 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they eventually did break up, but I think it's more common than not.
11:05 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's uncommon and that's why I flew in Mac is such like a case study in this too is because they stayed together and people don't often.
11:11 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_07]: But white stripes stayed.
11:13 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_07]: They broke up as a couple before they were even famous.
11:17 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure they broke up years later.
11:19 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_07]: But it was, it didn't end the band when they broke up as a couple.
11:23 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_06]: It actually probably, it kind of made me want to make them out because they had that like grit and like emotional endurance that we live.
11:29 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_07]: That's it.
11:30 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_07]: Music.
11:30 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
11:30 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_07]: So what do you got?
11:31 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_06]: The next is a twin group, like a twin pair.
11:35 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_07]: Awesome.
11:35 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_06]: That's a bit hence, so Tegan and Sarah, do you know Tegan and Sarah?
11:38 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_07]: I do not well, but I know love Tegan and Sarah.
11:41 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
11:41 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_07]: And I thought of them here too.
11:43 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's just song closer.
11:44 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_07]: Cool.
11:45 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_06]: That talks about like desire without apology and identity being grounded.
11:51 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Like in an individual rather and how people see the individual and I think that that's a really cool song to layer on to like twins performing And like twin self-concept is rooted so much and like the shared identity like being a twin
12:20 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm also really interested in like twin studies.
12:22 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_06]: This is like colleges, like twins rear to power it.
12:25 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_07]: We talked about it.
12:25 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and we might talk about it again.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_06]: But I would hope I want to.
12:28 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_06]: It's there's so much to think about there.
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_07]: That's cool.
12:31 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, this whole like they also have like a queer identity that's layered on top of this twin identity.
12:37 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's a, I like them as a concept of tickets and they're as a concept in a band.
12:43 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_06]: because they're layering on like the sibling persona and like the queer identity too and analyzing public perception of it and just I really like their music and I think it is a lot about identity and introspection in a way that I find kind of interesting.
12:56 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
13:14 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I got twins.
13:16 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
13:16 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Kelly and Kim Deal.
13:18 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_07]: So Kim Deal, base player of the Pixies.
13:20 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
13:21 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_07]: Started the Indy Rock Band breeders.
13:24 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I'm not familiar with that.
13:25 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_07]: Kelly, so their most famous song, this is Cannonball.
13:49 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_07]: That's not familiar.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's very familiar.
13:51 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, yeah.
13:52 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so it's just so there's something about their identical twins and maybe I'm creating a narrative around this, but like there's something about being kind of countercultural in a lot of ways and just like that band seems very, we don't give it crap with everybody else thinks and you're like protected.
14:10 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_07]: In that, by having a twin who's going to is that way too, I wonder if they like, do you could kind of unify around that in a way, right?
14:17 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Whatever it is, but us against them on some of them.
14:19 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_07]: But now they had other band members too.
14:20 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, twins are like really interesting in the way that like their, they jump start their identity development by being so connected to each other.
14:28 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_06]: That's almost like you don't need other people because you have each other.
14:32 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think twins go either way.
14:34 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Like either they're very, very connected or they're like split.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're split.
14:40 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I do have another one.
14:41 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_06]: I can come with which we haven't mentioned.
14:43 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just like a family band.
14:45 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_07]: So family band meaning parents?
14:48 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_06]: No.
14:48 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_07]: Cousins what?
14:49 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Just like Pacific.
14:50 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
14:50 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Gosh.
14:51 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_07]: Because I got a lot more.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_07]: So what do you like?
14:53 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_06]: A band that has multiple siblings in it, not parents.
14:58 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_06]: So actually with a parent manager.
15:00 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
15:01 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Because we haven't even done sisters yet.
15:02 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, a sisters.
15:04 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_07]: Sisters.
15:04 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, but you wanted to you you're already I'm just gonna think about the Jackson five.
15:09 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's like an easy example.
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_06]: So big group.
15:12 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, a big group.
15:13 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_06]: There's lots of different sibling dynamics.
15:15 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_07]: We already did brothers, though.
15:17 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_06]: We already did brothers.
15:18 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_06]: No honorable mentions Nicole, but this is like How about we'll call this one like with a parent manager?
15:47 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_06]: because I think the management piece of the Jackson Five is where we're getting to trouble.
15:51 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
15:52 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, Joe Jackson.
15:53 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Joe Jackson might be a problem.
15:55 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, I think like he's like the variable here on this group of like, how do we pick what person in the band is the lead singer?
16:04 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Is the front man, it gets propelled to further start him and then to realize it's the parents kind of making that choice.
16:10 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
16:10 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_06]: That must be a very...
16:12 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_07]: The youngest one got to be the leader.
16:14 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And like, like, like, like, and then like he the favorite to other people have, like, parent drama against Joe Jackson, though, he wasn't, but I think she was not the favorite, right?
16:23 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_07]: Michael from Michael's experience, right?
16:25 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_07]: We can talk about that.
16:26 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_07]: But another time or never, but he's like, it's fascinating.
16:29 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_06]: The parent dynamic parent manager.
16:31 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_06]: That's my category.
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_07]: So I actually have another parent manager, but I'm saving them for a different category.
16:35 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to try and I'm going to do parent involved.
16:38 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
16:38 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_07]: So I have a band.
16:39 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_07]: I have an example of someone literally in a group with their parents, right?
16:43 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's the judge.
16:44 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, Winona and Naomi, here's Mama, he's crazy.
17:13 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_07]: Here's the narrative, I'm spinning the superpower.
17:16 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_07]: Country music is apparently super misogynist, super hard for females to get attention in the radio and stuff, and the wholesomeness of a mother and her daughter cuts through that.
17:27 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_07]: Like there's a reason, sometimes it's a woman is just so beautiful that they'll play you on country music, radio or whatever, but I think there's something wholesome in the 80s about the two of them that was attractive.
17:38 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_07]: to even the gross aspects of the business.
17:41 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_07]: But did you know that Naomi died by suicide in 2022?
17:45 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know that until I was doing the song up.
17:47 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, God, that's all.
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_06]: That's really recent, yeah.
17:49 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Rest in peace.
17:50 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they did a lot of advocacy after her death, about mental health awareness and looking warning signs of people with hidden struggles and stuff.
17:59 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_06]: So it was nice to have that advocacy, but also a really sad story.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, for sure.
18:04 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_06]: That seems like a good spot to end.
18:06 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_07]: So, oh no, I can't end on that.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_07]: So, I've got some more.
18:09 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to just say I'm, if I prepped, I just did as many as I could think of categories.
18:13 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Not, not, okay.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_07]: And if you've got one, add to it.
18:16 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, great.
18:16 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_07]: We just walked right by sisters.
18:17 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I know you did take it in Sarah.
18:19 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_07]: And, but I did twins.
18:21 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_07]: yeah you did twins sisters if we just say tight separate roles power from different personality types yeah magic man 1975 heart and a Nancy Wilson
19:01 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, another great song.
19:03 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to find, think of my going through the catalog of my brain for other musical sisters.
19:09 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_06]: You're an advantage here because you're just like, no, all, you have a, you have a, you have seen us like a vault for some of these stories.
19:16 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_07]: So I,
19:16 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_07]: spoiler like I tried for like grandparents.
19:19 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_07]: I tried crazy here.
19:20 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I failed.
19:21 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
19:21 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_07]: I've got some weird ones, but I failed to do the real weird.
19:23 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_06]: What are some other sister bands?
19:25 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, right in in the discord folks.
19:27 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
19:27 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_07]: People will chime in.
19:28 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_07]: How about mixed brothers and sisters?
19:31 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_07]: I've got one.
19:32 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
19:32 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_07]: Sly in the family stone.
19:34 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_07]: their slie rows and Freddy, this is, thank you for letting me be myself again.
19:38 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think what they get is this whole band has like a family feel.
19:43 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_07]: You almost look at like the white horn player and you're like, oh, he's probably related to them.
19:48 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, there's just this family collective vibe to this group, but I know they have a lot of agents priming us to think that way with their name alone.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Sure, right.
19:56 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_07]: And I know a lot of that might have to do with psychedelic kind of culture in the
20:02 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_07]: By some of them being family, it makes the whole thing feel like a family.
20:32 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Dave Matthewsman has a great cover of that song.
20:34 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, and they probably jam it out.
20:36 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, for like it's like a 20 hour long version of it.
20:39 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Am I thought of a family band?
20:40 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it counts with the paratroopers family.
20:43 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_07]: Brothers and sisters.
20:44 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Brothers and sisters, right?
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_07]: Do they share in that superpower?
20:48 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_07]: It feels like a collective, like a collective family feel or they actually have a little family's neighbors.
20:55 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know the parches family, not really.
20:57 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we're just too young.
20:59 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_07]: We're too young.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_06]: But like, we're there.
21:00 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_06]: They were real family.
21:02 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_06]: That's what the osmons were, right?
21:04 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
21:04 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Donnie Marie Osmond, we're actual sisters.
21:06 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure.
21:07 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
21:07 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Brother's ancestors.
21:09 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, thank you.
21:10 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_07]: But also we're not supposed to do it on our lunchons.
21:12 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, but no, but I'm just saying, like, but we're in the osmons part of the parches family.
21:16 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_07]: No idea.
21:17 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think so.
21:17 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's the osmons.
21:18 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_07]: And the parches family is different.
21:20 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we're just too, we're 80's babies.
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
21:26 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_07]: kind of wish I was going to make set man that economy getting into getting a job out of college now yikes.
21:32 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_07]: Mark editing here.
21:33 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_07]: This is a hard lesson and don't bring something up if you don't know what it is.
21:36 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, the osmons are not the same as the paratroopers family and know the paratroopers family are not actually family.
21:43 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_07]: That's just the roles they play on TV.
21:46 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, not playing a clip.
21:47 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_07]: They don't count.
21:49 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
21:50 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_07]: It's the way spouses not.
21:53 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Nice.
21:55 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Not... X's.
21:57 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, current spouses, the interrupters.
22:01 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
22:01 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
22:05 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think they were married when they started the band.
22:08 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_07]: I think they coupled up and the super power here.
22:10 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_07]: This is their song.
22:12 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_07]: She's carousine from 2018.
22:13 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_07]: They like, I've heard interviews with them where they like, oh, yeah.
22:17 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_07]: And we went out to the shed and we recorded a new song.
22:19 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_07]: Like there's just the access of the just kind of, it's like people who own a shop together.
22:27 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: the guy does the books and the wife does the creates the product like they have their roles and the and she's the vocalist he's I think the guitar player and they just like create and it seems so cool.
22:56 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_06]: It's so funny, the motif you paint is like a mom and pop shop where they're like crafting and so hard to smell.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm the song comes on.
23:04 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_06]: It feels not like that.
23:06 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_07]: It's cool.
23:06 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not like there's a car.
23:07 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
23:09 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you have any spouses?
23:11 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't have any spouses.
23:12 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I wasn't as prepared as I should have said come up with as many as you could.
23:15 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_07]: You stopped at three.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_06]: That was just me as I could.
23:18 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
23:18 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_07]: I got
23:19 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_07]: Now, I think the people want content this way.
23:20 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to just keep reading my list.
23:22 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And the people do want to.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_07]: I got two more, and we're going to get more far of field.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_07]: I already said I failed the fine grandparents.
23:27 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_07]: Cousins.
23:28 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_07]: Cousins.
23:29 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he got some shit on our down under episode.
23:32 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_07]: But my club, the Beast Boys, Carl, Dennis, and Brian are brothers.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. That's reverse.
23:39 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_07]: So these brides of this.
23:41 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_07]: Mike was their cousin.
23:42 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_07]: And Mike, it's shit.
23:43 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Marks that don't, let's stick with the formula guy, but Mike was close to them, but not too close.
23:51 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Like he was the perfect guy to come in and like he was also a couple of years older.
23:56 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_07]: I think have the swagger more confidence as a lead vocalist, not be a part of the brother dynamic, not actually having the overbearing dad married with their manager.
24:06 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_07]: Probably Murray didn't have a lot of control over Mike.
24:09 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_07]: He's the cousin.
24:10 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_07]: He's already 22 or whatever.
24:12 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
24:12 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_06]: So like that really does parallel the their dynamic in the band like that fit familial relationship dynamic.
24:19 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Obviously Brian Wilson rest in peace genius.
24:22 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_07]: I personally love Carl and Dennis.
24:25 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_07]: Carl's probably my favorite overall but Dennis, some of his songs were so good and people hate on my because he's the goofy surf guy, but he is a part of what made that band work especially early.
24:35 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_07]: So like I'm gonna play really early, 1962 surf in Safari and you can hear him as the lead vocalists and then he changes to be the bass singer and he's just got like a swagger that kind of none of the rest of them.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_07]: The other ones are kind of more nerdy.
24:49 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, no Dennis is like the surfer boy.
24:51 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_07]: He's cool.
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_07]: But the other ones are kind of goofy.
24:53 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_07]: And he just had this cockiness.
24:56 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's a cousin vibe, not just the brother vibe.
25:00 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And then Al, who's just like the kid down the street.
25:09 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So don't pay me, pay me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me, follow me,
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_06]: How old were they when they wrote that?
25:30 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, how old are they singing that version was just heard?
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_07]: Brian is the oldest to the brothers.
25:36 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think Mike might be a year or two older than him.
25:38 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_07]: Those guys might be early early 20s.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_07]: I think Carl was probably like 15 years old.
25:42 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Amazing.
25:44 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_06]: They're so good.
25:45 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_07]: David Marks, who was their guitar player for the first record, was like 13 or something.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
25:50 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Hot take.
25:51 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Beach Boys really had it, huh?
25:53 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
25:53 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_06]: They knew what they were doing.
25:54 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Something in the water and what Huntington Beach or whatever that is.
25:58 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Ugh, I mean, Hawthorne, come on.
26:00 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, I'm mixing up my south-based suburbs.
26:03 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not where the 405 hits the 105.
26:05 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_07]: It's the 405 between the 22 and the 73.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, folks, I'm slipping.
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_07]: I think it was.
26:11 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_07]: All right, I got one more weird one.
26:12 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Probably weed.
26:14 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I think some of them were very square back then.
26:16 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_07]: It came later though, the drugs came later, I promise you that.
26:19 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Pet sounds, you know.
26:20 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah.
26:21 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_07]: So, Uncle, nephew.
26:23 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Uncle, nephew.
26:25 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_07]: L-M-F-A-O, Red Food, and Sky Blue, literally, they are uncle and nephew.
26:32 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_06]: How do you know this, step two?
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I just know this.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_07]: No, I've known this one forever.
26:36 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's Party Rock and Thunder 2111.
26:57 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_06]: It's weird, it's weird that it's an uncle nephew.
27:00 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_06]: You can tell.
27:01 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_06]: You will now that you say it, yeah.
27:03 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_07]: The thing about it is like, it's the uncle energy of it.
27:07 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, you're uncle, if you were like, hey, let's start a group, dad.
27:11 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_06]: No.
27:12 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_07]: No, it's, you could have a cool uncle who's like, we're gonna start a EDM dance pop, kind of squelchy synth line, goofball, party music.
27:22 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_06]: I would love to be in a band with my nephews.
27:26 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I would love that.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_06]: It would be so good.
27:28 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_07]: It would be quite the odd, you'd feel so cool, like honored by that.
27:31 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_07]: If they were like, oh, I've been looking, but I gotta ask my uncle, or my aunt, to have them in my band, like you'd feel so cool.
27:40 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_07]: But then the uncle, you can have an uncle and feel like they're legitimately cool, whereas you're kind of not allowed to think that about your parents.
27:46 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's like being a parent, just cool, being an aunt is cooler.
27:50 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, not cooler, but it's different.
27:52 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Totally.
27:53 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, acting cool is cool.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's cool.
27:56 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Uncle Mark's cool.
27:57 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_07]: Uncle Mark is cooler than dad.
27:59 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
28:00 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
28:00 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
28:01 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_07]: And my brother is a cooler uncle than he is a dad.
28:03 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure because cool uncle can just like, hey, guys, let's go launch rockets in the field every, you know, time we're in San Diego.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, it's not the same in the past.
28:11 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I think the, though, that does give, like, math workbooks for Christmas.
28:14 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, no, not.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I think sometimes.
28:16 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Not, not us, no math workbooks all out.
28:18 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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