Steve and Anthony talk about Scarlett Johansson, Sebastian Stan and Brian Tyree Henry joining the cast of The Batman (Part 2).
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01:36 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, without further ado, here is Santa Pcomic Steve Osborne.
01:41 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Steve, it occurs to me that you're the kind of guy that on occasion...
01:45 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: will appreciate good fast food.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
01:50 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Does this include fast food hamburgers?
01:54 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it can.
01:55 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, good.
01:56 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad this is gonna help my analogy quite a bit.
02:01 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Good, glad to help.
02:02 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think over the past probably 20, maybe 25 years, I have developed what I think is an excellent gourmet hamburger.
02:12 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
02:13 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I've tinkered with, you know, lamb and pork and, you know, we had some pine nuts in there, garlic and, you know, just things that I will appreciate in a gourmet hamburger.
02:28 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We grind it up, you know, basically at the end of the day, it's ground beef and, you know, you, you cook it and you, you throw on whatever you think is it works with this particular, uh, the patty and then I started tinkering with buns like, oh, maybe we could upgrade the bun.
02:48 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I, the perfect cheeseburger, been a major thread of my life that I return to pretty often.
02:55 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: trying to to chase that dragon.
02:57 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, I have varying degrees of success.
03:03 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I do however appreciate that the fast food experience is just, it's almost a different genre of burger.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, hmm, okay.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And I first came across this in seminary.
03:18 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I went to seminary in Vancouver, British Columbia, very serious.
03:23 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt about my food consumption in the way, I felt about my movies at the time.
03:28 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just didn't want any fast food in my diet at all.
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I was very personality.
03:34 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, I could see this.
03:36 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If Vancouver's not a bad place to do that, I was at a picnic and there was a fellow classmate.
03:43 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really respect very much.
03:46 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he looked like he was about 12 years old, he didn't seem like a very serious person.
03:50 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a little bit impish, like I felt like you don't really care about.
03:56 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't care about learning aeromec, do you?
03:59 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He was just kind of a frivolous person.
04:02 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We were having a picnic, and he came over and he sat on my blanket, and he, uh, he told me that he brought his own McDonald's.
04:09 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, uh, yeah, this makes sense.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This makes sense of you.
04:14 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: This confirms what I think I know about you.
04:17 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I asked him like, why?
04:19 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, why do you like McDonald's hamburgers?
04:22 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, well, you have to think of it as something that's not quite a hamburger.
04:27 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Think of it more as like a specialty pastry with a really kind of a savory flair to it.
04:37 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wrote them off.
04:40 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And now looking back, I think that maybe one of the most important things I learned in Seminary.
04:49 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that there is, I think that I just have been looking at fast food all wrong.
04:54 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I've been turning that my nose to, you know, there are reasons not to like fast food.
04:59 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we could name a bunch, but I think that there's just it's almost a genre distinction between fast food hamburgers and the gourmet hamburger experience.
05:12 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that?
05:13 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I'll take your story, and I'll basically just say it again.
05:18 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's, that's, that's what we do.
05:21 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're new to the podcast, this is what we, yeah, it's, oh, that's interesting.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you my version of this thing.
05:26 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because neither of us has a memory that's long enough.
05:29 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just checked out in Anthony's not going to know what I didn't about to say.
05:33 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, I had a friend who was said something about like a Taco bell, right?
05:39 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, I just don't understand.
05:42 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: why anybody in the Bay Area, Northern California, would ever eat Taco Bell when we have so many wonderful Taco Rea options, and I just look at the great point.
05:56 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't let just before we poo poo this gentleman, he's making a solid point.
06:01 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not, and I'll tell you exactly why.
06:04 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody goes to Taco Bell because they're craving Taco Rea experience.
06:09 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that's right.
06:10 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same point.
06:11 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_02]: That's you're just it's like saying, Hey, you know what I really want to go to the zoo.
06:15 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to the Disney store and touch a stuffed animal.
06:19 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
06:19 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's not the same experience.
06:21 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are not meant to be the same experience.
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Taco Bell is not a stand in.
06:25 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: for your authentic talk-a-ria experience.
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Taco Bell is Taco Bell.
06:30 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
06:31 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And to assume that someone's like, man, I'm really, I'm really jones for some L-pastore, but you know, a chelupa from Taco Bell do the trick.
06:40 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's not, those are incongruous thoughts.
06:43 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:44 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_02]: You can maybe make that argument say, against like maybe a Chipotle, perhaps.
06:51 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, where it's more of a fast casual,
06:56 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, maybe you're talking with you, I would definitely agree with this.
06:59 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: This is doing exactly where I'd hope we were going with this.
07:03 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So the point being that, you know, it's like, if I'm getting Taco Bell, I'm, there's a couple of things, drunk.
07:12 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually want to talk about or I'm back to it's two a.m. in the morning.
07:17 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:17 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
07:18 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I like this.
07:19 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I like this.
07:19 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
07:20 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to make the claim that I've enjoyed the Marvel experience for the most part.
07:28 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: over the last 20 years of my life.
07:30 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And probably because my kids were certain age, and it was just a bonding experience.
07:36 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And even when my daughter was getting older, you know, even when she was like 17 or whatever, she would drop everything to go to a Marvel movie with me.
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, hey, there's
07:54 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not too far away from that tip, but I'm not going to get rid of it.
08:00 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of knew at some point along the way that this was fast food, you know, these were popcorn movies and I'm going for the jokes, I'm not going for the story, I'm not going to be, you know, I'm not going to the museum when I'm going to see a Marvel movie.
08:24 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that I enjoyed it on that level.
08:28 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, on occasion, Marvel did rise to something that's, you know, a bit more artistic, but it never kind of forgot that it was sort of high-achieving fast food.
08:43 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
08:43 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
08:44 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: On the other hand.
08:47 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to talk about Batman today.
08:49 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: On the other hand, I feel like the Dark Knight, I feel like
08:54 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me even better.
08:57 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The first Joker.
08:59 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
09:00 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get walking Phoenix unless you are intending to tell your audience.
09:06 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be a gourmet experience.
09:08 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
09:09 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the audience goes in expecting a gourmet experience.
09:14 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And they may or may not like it.
09:16 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people did like the Joker or if people didn't like it was because of political reasons, it wasn't because it wasn't well made.
09:24 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, damn, they gave us a gourmet experience.
09:28 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Heath Ledger gave us a gourmet experience, right?
09:32 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
09:33 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it almost feels like, at that point, the Batman franchise knew that it was catering to a taste that Marvel wasn't providing.
09:47 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And you could do with Batman.
09:49 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that they've had success with any of it.
09:52 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't prefer franchise yet.
09:54 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But for whatever reason, when I go to a sweater man movie, when I go to an Iron Man movie, when I go to a Hulk movie, I'm gonna be happy with well-made fast food.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
10:03 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But when I go to Batman, Batman has kind of become gourmet fare.
10:09 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked a lot about this, but there's been some recent casting news in the Batman universe, the Matt Reeves Batman anyway, that I feel like me attempt to cross the streams a little bit.
10:28 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm worried about that.
10:31 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
10:32 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you went to Matt, all right, let me just say, Matt raises the Batman, didn't like it first, watched it like three more times because I desperately wanted to like it.
10:44 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
10:45 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just rewatch the first hour and a half of it and I've come around, like I feel like this is a decent gourmet experience.
10:56 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: and the things that I can turn me off initially, I kind of like now for the most part.
11:04 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if you could like delete maybe two or three scenes that don't work for me, it's just a really great warmea hamburger.
11:11 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The ava in Maria.
11:16 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't even thinking about that.
11:18 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think Matt Reeves is dishin' up a really great gourmet hamburger.
11:24 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, you go out, you get Sebastian Stan, you get Scarjo, and all of a sudden it's like, hey, you remember these ingredients from your favorite fast food?
11:36 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
11:37 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna pepper it into this gourmet experience.
11:40 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And now I feel like, is this, are you crossing the stream?
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this, is this really gonna work?
11:46 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, what do you think about this?
11:48 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think this is an interesting thing that you bring up, because there are three marble cast members announced for this upcoming sequel.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The part two, right?
12:03 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The Batman part two.
12:04 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the third?
12:06 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Was it Brian Tyree?
12:08 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Who was in the attorney's, the attorney's.
12:12 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So you easily, yeah, you don't have to know that.
12:17 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But, so there's two ways to look at it, right?
12:21 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You could look at it as, hey, this is the fast foodification of a gourmet meal, or this is a gourmet serving of what you may have thought.
12:30 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: This is going to a fancy restaurant, ordering the burger because someone says, no, no, no, no, you got to try the burger here, right?
12:37 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right, right.
12:38 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the other option, right?
12:40 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The other option is like, you go sometimes you go to these fancy places, and there is a burger,
12:47 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Burger when I can get duck.
12:48 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_02]: How often do I get duck?
12:50 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody telling Zomer goes, I'm telling you to get the burger.
12:54 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Get the burger.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's maybe the best burger I've ever had.
12:58 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Now the burger is a gourmet experience, right?
13:01 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a possibility.
13:03 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the alternate to this, right?
13:06 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it would suggest your initial suggestion is that Scarlett Johansson is not
13:17 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_02]: capable of providing you a gourmet.
13:19 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not what I'm saying.
13:21 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But continue your thought.
13:23 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then saying something like so, but it's the idea.
13:25 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So when you pull from, you pull from Marvel, I mean, the thing is, let's be honest, they're the cast of the new Avengers is most of Hollywood.
13:39 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So chances are you're going to throw a dart in a giant casting pool and you're going to get somebody from a marble marble building.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
13:49 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
13:50 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's for Ian McKellen.
13:52 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, sure.
13:54 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, now I do want to clarify something.
13:56 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that outside of Marvel, Scar Joe has done some amazing acting work.
14:01 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Sebastian Stan has done at least two really decent.
14:05 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know everything in this filmography, but I've seen a couple movies where he's outside of Marvel, or he's legitimately serious actor, and probably has better acting chops than a lot of the main Marvel superheroes.
14:21 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So there is a sense in which bringing in Scarjo and bringing in Sebastian Stan is a way to say, this is still gourmet.
14:32 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like we're not gonna use Cummins the way that the talk about uses Cummins.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna use Cummins because Cummins is a valuable spice.
14:40 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And it could be that the signal that we're sort of crossing the strings with Marvel is not the message that they're trying to send.
14:51 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet it's a super hero movie.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's an inevitability.
14:57 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to make that, you know, connection, right?
15:00 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it almost feels like they're recruiting now from a DC perspective.
15:03 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
15:03 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
15:04 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
15:04 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We're calling them up from the minors.
15:06 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Now that's obviously ridiculous statement considering how wildly successful marble is.
15:11 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of like, hey, I'm going to go post, because the thing is you can pull Sebastian Stan, you couldn't pull R DJ.
15:21 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, to iconic too big of a marble of a marble character.
15:26 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about that.
15:28 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't think that if they go, oh, yeah, we're going to have Robert Downey Jr. You know, Ironman and now Dr. Doom who's like the the biggest the biggest tent pole character.
15:39 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to have to play a supporting I would argue that the fact that he is going to become Dr. Doom in this parallel universe is evidence that even Marvel is willing to recast the guy or they're like, hey, you know what, we need we
15:57 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We, you guess you have well, the internals did when we try to reboot everything.
16:01 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
16:02 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the other thing that I would like to discuss with you.
16:06 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Two-face.
16:07 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So Sebastian Stan is supposed to place two-face and on the surface, I think, actually the guy who just played Donald Trump in the sort of a biopic is almost the perfect guy to play two-face.
16:19 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, two face famously is he's a politician, but he, he comes by it honestly and he has he has kind of a fork on the road where he could choose the angel of his better nature or he could embrace his dark side or whatever.
16:36 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: and there you go, you got two-face.
16:39 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Sebastian's hand could be good for that.
16:41 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I've always found Sebastian's stand on film.
16:44 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
16:45 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me restate that.
16:46 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I've always found two-face in these movies to be one of the more fast food kind of characters.
16:56 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Tommy Lee Jones, which I think is a fantastic actor, was cartoonish as two-face.
17:04 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Eckhart, who I think is a fantastic actor, was pretty good in Nolan's Batman movies.
17:13 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: until half of his face burned off and then he just became just silly.
17:19 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if two-face can exist as a gourmet creature?
17:26 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think of two-face, all I think about is cartoonish Tommy Lee Jones or how silly Aaron Act cart was once his half of his face was CGI'd.
17:41 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'll, I'll just use your own, um, examples against you.
17:46 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You talked to me about the gourmet meal of the, of walking Phoenix's Joker and of Heath Ledger's Dark Knight Joker.
17:53 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I will show you Caesar Romero with a painted over mustache because he refused to, to, to, to, to feed the mustache.
18:04 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what people thought of when, even Nicholson who jumped on the scene.
18:10 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, well, this is, the Joker is a clown.
18:15 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He wears purple suits.
18:17 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And yet, we've already seen in our lifetime to Oscar were the iterations of this insanely ridiculous character.
18:30 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now, two face,
18:32 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_02]: To me, two face is one of the most gourmet villains in Gotham City that has been treated like fast food.
18:43 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say that Nolan's is the closest thing to gourmet, and I think the issue with two face on film so far is how readily they kill him.
19:01 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... complicated villains for Batman because Batman has a relationship with Harvey Dent he doesn't just show up on the scene as uh... you know a menace he knows he and and he he knows that there he knows there's a uh... uh... uh... a good side they they they decide worth
19:22 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: redeeming right and well, and it kind of mirrors Batman's duality right exactly.
19:27 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so it mirrors the duality and it's it's almost like a constant reminder of Batman's duality.
19:34 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So Batman Batman when in an attempt to redeem.
19:39 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_02]: the Harvey Dent side of two-phase is essentially a projection of him trying to add his own redemption.
19:47 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's supposedly, he should be the most unkillable villain of all the villains because Batman would go out of his way to save the Harvey Dent.
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Even half of Harvey Dent
20:03 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: that this one, we don't know for sure that this is Harvey Dan.
20:06 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything is pointed to uh, Sebastian's Dan is Harvey Dan, and uh, uh, Scarjo is as guilty Dan and Charles Dances.
20:14 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The father, we don't know this for sure.
20:17 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And I could see Matt Reeves pulling a little bit of, uh,
20:20 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_02]: of a switch of ruin us letting the internet go free with this, but I would be a hundred percent on board with with a proper two-faced act.
20:29 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Do with him what they were almost doing with Billy D. Williams, which is giving a home movie of just Harvey Dent.
20:36 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is interesting.
20:37 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a trilogy to be had and I would think that if you had, if you completed your trilogy assuming they're only going to make the three with patents and then
20:46 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I would love for the end of this one to be sort of empire strikes back and we end up getting the two-fakes incident and then that, I think it warrants its own, its own Batman head to head type that.
21:03 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
21:04 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
21:05 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that they're bringing in Scar Joe is great evidence that they intend to develop
21:14 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: the Harvey Dent character as Harvey Dent and they're not going to make him too face right out the gate, right?
21:21 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
21:22 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's I think that's I think that's important.
21:24 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I think because you have to establish Harvey Dent and they they tried in the dark night.
21:28 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they did okay.
21:30 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Still felt like a fast-forwarded villain experience, right?
21:35 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's so good.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Almost a little can't be good at times the Harvey Dent character.
21:42 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_02]: and then he becomes so bad.
21:44 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And my understanding of two faces is that there is that duality, right?
21:49 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And it isn't the hyperskits of Frenic, Tommy Lee Jones version where you basically just have two Jim Carries battling at out.
22:01 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a Sikits of Frenic component, but I think there has to be some sort of a level of reservation to the side that is still somewhat, you know, maybe, just as the right word,
22:13 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, yeah, that's why you have sort of this like, you know, two sides of a coin, there's almost a sense of like, hey, you know, just to sometimes is not, he's not something that is logical.
22:22 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It is something that is sort of left a chance.
22:25 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's where that the bad side of two faces pulling them.
22:29 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think you have to have like, you have to have them so steep in good that even you don't.
22:34 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, it's like, it's like Anakin killing all the young, and the younglings, it's like, if you go to watch the rest of the movies, you're like,
22:40 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's impossible to be like, okay, well, let's redeem that character because he was so vile for most of them of his existence.
22:46 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have very different relationship with children, so I don't have a problem with that.
22:49 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I know for you, you're like, well, this is the hero we've been waiting for.
22:54 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But so I think you have to I think you have to do that.
22:56 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think you have to establish a you almost have to establish a maybe Harvey dent is so good.
23:04 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes the Bruce Wayne character less, you know, because like he's he's pretty vigilante faced right in at the end of the movie.
23:11 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He becomes he starts making it he goes from like vigilante to hero or he's making that journey.
23:16 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Harvey dent might be the kind of like ideally the a
23:20 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_02]: a good version of Harvey Dent's character would be the beacon of hope that might push Bruce Wayne towards even further heroism and hope and then the idea that he turns is almost like okay well he's going the opposite direction that I just went in and I got to get him back like that to me that's a much more compelling that's a gourmet version of the two-phase character in my opinion
23:42 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm willing to get on board with this.
23:46 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: In my experience, as soon as two face actually becomes half-man, half-monster, and it's visually represented on screen, I've always felt like, oh, man, you guys, you guys went fast food on me.
24:00 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, here's my point.
24:03 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: My point is that I just want these movies to be self-aware enough to know what they're serving me.
24:11 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess.
24:12 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like sometimes these things are come across as gourmet and they kind of devolve into fast food over time.
24:20 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, I mean at the end of the day, it's really impossible to say like if you were to say hey, I'm going to take you to gourmet restaurant and and it's like Guy Fieri present.
24:31 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Your thought might be like well, I'm obviously he's an adept chef to some degree, but I don't associate him maybe with gourmet.
24:40 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Batman is a guy for you at the end of the day.
24:44 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to remember that that no matter what you do, no matter what your presentation is, it still requires a guy to wear a bad suit.
24:54 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and it's, it's, it's a dilemma.
24:58 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about where it's like, how do you, how do you bring in like even the idea of bringing in a Robin character is in Congress with the Batman world that we're,
25:11 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that and I think you're right as soon as you're wearing a cowling cape now we're in some uh, we're in a comic book at that point right right but then that has to be okay to some degree but that's here's a thing.
25:25 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: In Matt Reeves Batman they do a great job to establish that guy is nuts.
25:31 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
25:32 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: that you you don't walk around like that if you walk around like that people will think you're crazy right and so you mileage may vary on call and feral but they tried to make the penguins seem like a legit crime lord sure so all right that's fine
25:50 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So they stripped down camp there, right?
25:52 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're right.
25:53 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So then, yes, my question is, Disabashed and Stan borrowed from the MCU to play a character who has been very can't be in the past.
26:06 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Should that cause me concern?
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, I think you've made a good case.
26:12 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you've made a good case that I shouldn't
26:20 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to take it maybe a slightly different approach here is that a part of me is like I would love and again most of these things only work in trilogies and I'm sure that you know James guns other DCU where they'll introduce a new Batman will probably be able to exist with Superman aliens are on the tables and everything's on the table right so I think that's fine.
26:47 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that mythology can exist on its own.
26:49 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think Matt Reeves might have an opportunity to where he doesn't have to do all that.
26:54 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_02]: If he's only going to, if he's only signed up for a trilogy, he's not creating part of the entire DCU.
27:00 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So he can sort of say, OK, this is how my Batman's going to operate.
27:04 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to have a rob, and it's not, you know, which is all fine.
27:08 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So there may be a suspension that before the DCU part was brought into the mix.
27:14 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I was actually kind of hoping that we would ease into a little camp, like we would ease into like free Batman to be to be more Batman and to have more like, you know, give me killer crock, you know, why not?
27:30 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_02]: But in order to do so, you've got to become maybe a little more Spider-Man, right?
27:35 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And Spider-Man, I've been watching every watch like almost every single Spider-Man the other day, just for giggles.
27:40 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And
27:41 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And those franchises are very self-aware.
27:45 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Those franchises sort of lean into the fun.
27:48 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And they say, if you can watch a guy crawl on walls, you can watch a guy be a giant lizard.
27:54 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And you just have to be alright with that.
27:57 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm kind of there for that.
27:59 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fast food for sure, but it's like, to me it's more like fast casual.
28:06 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Batman though has more often than not,
28:11 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of insisted on a certain gravitas.
28:14 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the Batman, the one we're specifically speaking of, it has not a really good job of that, right?
28:20 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's created, it's, it's done a good job of world building, I think.
28:25 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and so you build a world where, you know, this Batman can exist, but there are still sort of guardrails of realism.
28:34 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And,
28:36 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I care about the guardrails.
28:39 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like if you're going to give me camp, let James gun do that in that other thing.
28:45 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm kind of with you on this.
28:47 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've sort of reversed course a little bit on fine.
28:49 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me, keep on giving me these guardrails.
28:54 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but at the same time, I don't want it to feel so limited because then it's like, okay, well, then now you're just giving me maybe crime dramas where the guys in a bad suit.
29:03 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that becomes actually
29:07 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if, if in the departed Leonardo DiCaprio was, you know, head wings, I think, I think the movie's different for you.
29:19 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I don't know.
29:20 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll think about that.
29:22 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, then I'll definitely go to that some part.
29:29 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the Batman, the Batman, which I just recently rewatched, takes its time and I think that what you just said, I totally grew with in terms of world building, it does a great job with world building.
29:46 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a necessary feature of the first iteration or the first movie that you can assume in the second movie?
29:53 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you've already done a very slow burn on vengeance, you know, turning into Batman.
30:00 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you did kind of a slow burn with the the penguins backstory, right?
30:05 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But do you expect the same kind of pace from the Batman part two?
30:13 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so and here's what I want in the batman part two in terms of like pace.
30:19 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I really want a lot more Bruce Wayne.
30:22 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I want I want to see the I want to see the conversion of Bruce Wayne going from
30:29 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the thing is, is the idea of Bruce Wayne as, you know, debonair, billionaire, playboy.
30:35 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That says much of a performance for Bruce Wayne as a shot man, as vengeance.
30:42 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, you could argue that the Batman as vengeance is probably coming from a more honest place.
30:46 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So in order to do that, cause I mean, right now, I mean, like Bruce Wayne is sort of this reclusive, you know, son of a billionaire,
30:59 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_02]: he has to make sort of I think that that character has to make some sort of a conversion right he is certainly not a playboy right and I to me watching watching the origin story of Bruce Wayne becoming Bruce Wayne is sounds really interesting to me and that's kind of what I'm hoping for and I think you can do that alongside a slower burn of the Harvey Dent character
31:27 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, contributing to his campaign and seeing hope and there's some sort of a, you know, there's an allegiance there and, you know, they know he knows that he's he may be this is the guy that's going to help take down all this this crime and so I don't have to do maybe as much because we're going to let the wheels of justice actually turn the weather supposed to.
31:46 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I to me that's that's a, you know, the same way I was really excited about like watching.
31:50 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Batman as the detective, which we hadn't seen a whole bunch before, I would like to see that happen here with, you know, with, again, with this sort of this notion of hope and it could take its time.
32:02 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_02]: The, to me, the biggest bomber would be is if we get.
32:19 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_02]: they just they treated as like a flashback to just yada yada yada Harvey didn't become a two-phase.
32:27 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's just this maniacal though on which is a complete waste.
32:31 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And whereas dark night they do take their time but it's such a joker vehicle that I almost feel that you
32:41 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think it would have been better off to have two-faced be your main villain in the next.
32:45 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:46 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the usual pattern for these is the first Batman movie is usually Batman's origin story and the second one is usually a major villain's origin story and then the two collide, right?
33:00 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This one seems to be set up for Harvey Dent's origin story or two faces origin story, really.
33:06 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Does this mean that, uh, the Joker is, is Kiyogan still attached to this thing?
33:12 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I would assume so.
33:13 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I had heard that there might have even been the possibility of its own series, like sort of like the penguin for.
33:18 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
33:19 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't heard anything about that, but I'm okay.
33:21 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So then the question is, sometimes with these movies, the guardrails get a little wobbly when you introduce too many supervillains at the same time.
33:31 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
33:32 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Gotham City is just rotten with supervillains, and I get it.
33:39 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of Gotham's big claim to fame.
33:43 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We got just a tiny, tiny saltine of Barry Keyogam at the very end of the Batman.
33:52 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, we'll always always as a silhouette, right?
33:57 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that is kind of a...
33:59 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_02]: an implicit promise to the audience that you're going to see the joker well there was a deleted scene that was a bigger deal where where he's uh kind of where he's more of um Batman's uh Clarice and and uh and the joker is kind of Hannibal Lecter is sort of this
34:21 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_02]: advisor from beyond and I to me, I would almost keep the joker in that role.
34:25 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's kind of wild to me because then you want to keep the joker in Arkham a silent and till maybe the last movie Huh, and then that can go now as Batman is sending people to the Arkham asylum.
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The Joker has the ability to just put the symbol a team that would be wild to me.
34:42 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is interesting to me because Just so all right.
34:46 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's imagine what you just suggested is how they do it
34:50 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's imagine that Harvey Den is a Harvey Dent for most of this film.
34:56 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't really become too face until a third act.
35:00 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's opposite Bruce Wayne's, the Batman?
35:04 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the Penguin?
35:05 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as the main villain.
35:07 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_02]: You could add the Penguin.
35:08 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You could hack his other Penguin's a mob boss.
35:09 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And you could certainly have, like, if Harvey Dent is your attorney, you know, crime, crime lords, things of that nature could be.
35:17 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think you could also have another villain lurking.
35:20 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, like you could like, the way that the Riddle of a sort of behind the scenes, it was most of it was trying to figure out who this guy is now I don't know.
35:26 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how well you could pull that off right because but again, maybe there is another.
35:35 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_02]: With this with this expanded cast.
35:38 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And like nobody really knows Brian Tyre Henry, so of course there is has been the internet slew of suggested that he's going to be manbat.
35:48 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, which I'm so unaware of manbat.
35:52 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So if manbat is an actual thing, then we are, you might have to be prepared for a little bit more fast food.
36:03 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Manbat, I like it.
36:06 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I kind of got me just with the name.
36:11 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:13 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he eventually, he eventually is working on bats, acute sonar sense and stuff, whatever any tests of formula and he turns into a monstrous human bat hybrid creature.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
36:25 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and I think the reason why they're suggesting that is because people are looking at the way that Reeves introduced characters on.
36:33 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like Twitter or something.
36:43 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_02]: they he changes the order of the introduction.
36:47 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're like, oh, that's a little wink.
36:50 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Batman, man, and then there were like three bat emoticons at the end where he didn't do that up with the other ones I think.
36:56 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's this consideration that that's a clue.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_02]: The internet's amazing, it's an amazing place.
37:02 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That's nothing bad ever happened.
37:05 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.
37:06 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm open.
37:07 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so I think I think I do think you do need another villain because I think you have to spend the time.
37:13 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's like again, with the Dark Knight's original effort was focus on the Joker build two-faced, but then they build two-faced and then they deconstruct him immediately.
37:24 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's that I think is a problem.
37:27 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't and it does it would surprise me a little
37:35 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It would surprise me a little if he just follows, you know, basically what the dark night the dark night brings in two faces and like I feel like there's a this, you know, almost a compulsive need to not like they didn't have the Joker in the first, uh, Nolan Batman almost intentionally right because that's the Joker was the first villain in the other one right and and so it's, you know, to not necessarily mimic what other Batman's have done before and the dark night being the freshest.
38:04 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_02]: second installment, you know, to bring in two face might be a little, might feel a little bit too much like that.
38:10 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We've been there done that.
38:12 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:13 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm curious about this and I'm not knowing a lot about the comics.
38:16 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This is sort of an open question.
38:19 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You cast Scarjo as Gilda Dent, the most ex, cast the most robust narrative she gets is in something called Batman The Long Halloween.
38:32 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, folks, as promised here is the spoiler warning going forward.
38:35 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to talk about the character arc of a character that we think will feature in the Batman part two.
38:43 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't actually know if this will spoil the movie, but I will be referring to some Batman source material.
38:51 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is your chance to skip ahead 30 seconds.
38:54 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you've been warned.
38:58 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_01]: and eventually she becomes a criminal known as holiday, a serial killer who killed members of Gotham city's crime families in correlation with all of the holidays in the early calendar, okay?
39:12 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So you bring in Scarjo, my guess is that she's not just, you bring in her for a particular reason.
39:18 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want, she's not going to be like,
39:22 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The sideline love interest.
39:23 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not what Scarjo does.
39:26 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes me feel like you probably will bring an element of the long Halloween.
39:31 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And so then my question is, is man bat a feature of the long Halloween because that would be kind of an additional point of connection.
39:42 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, these are just questions I'm asking.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of in the bag for Batman.
39:49 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably watch anything Batman related that goes out into the world.
39:54 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Some even if it's a movie I don't like initially, I will watch it four times until I like it.
40:01 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I've done it with, I've rewatched Batman Returns several times, still can't get it.
40:07 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Still just, not Batman Returns, Batman Forever.
40:11 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I still can't get Batman Forever.
40:15 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But you are forever linked to that movie.
40:18 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I am forever linked to that movie All right, I don't think we're getting the Batman part two for on at least another year or so.
40:26 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Batman still matters It's kind of nuts Batman almost has become more profitable and Superman
40:38 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's bonkers, to me that's that's that we this is this goes to show you how how much I've seen the world change in my life The the two most significant events in my life have a pope resigned And Superman became second fiddle to Batman.
40:59 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a it's it's a wild time we've lived through a lot of history
41:59 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's it.
42:11 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You know how enormous it gets up and goes down stairs and eats breakfast and a cocoon of horror.