Sidetrack - Absurdly Specific Supergroups

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[00:00:29] Hey everyone, it's Mark.

[00:00:31] This Sidetrack is a conversation in which Nicole and I decide to randomly make some pretty weird musical supergroups.

[00:00:41] It kind of goes off the rails so naturally we thought 7.9 billion people should have a chance to listen to it.

[00:00:58] So I was thinking if you could build your own supergroup, who would be in it?

[00:01:05] What do you think?

[00:01:06] Like a Traveling Wilburys kind of thing.

[00:01:09] Yes.

[00:01:11] Like your own Traveling Wilburys.

[00:01:14] Audioslave.

[00:01:15] Who are the other supergroups out there?

[00:01:17] The band.

[00:01:18] The band is a supergroup?

[00:01:19] I don't know, wouldn't you think?

[00:01:20] Like Bob Dylan and all those guys.

[00:01:22] Bob Dylan was in the band?

[00:01:23] Yeah, Bob Dylan and the band.

[00:01:25] That's Bob Dylan playing with the band.

[00:01:27] The band were a band.

[00:01:28] But they recorded the basement tapes.

[00:01:30] Bob Dylan was not in the band.

[00:01:32] But I see what you're saying, right?

[00:01:33] Yeah.

[00:01:33] That's like Eric Burden and war.

[00:01:36] Honestly, I think you just have to, you have to look at like, what's the kind of music though?

[00:01:40] That's the problem.

[00:01:41] If you assemble, like one of my favorite guitar players is Sean Watkins from the band Nickel Creek, who I probably will know doubt about in a sidetrack in the future on this podcast.

[00:01:53] But I'm not putting him, he's a bluegrass guitar player, probably not putting him in my punk rock supergroup I'm assembling.

[00:02:01] You're doing a punk rock supergroup?

[00:02:03] No, no, I'm not.

[00:02:04] I'm saying like, my point is just, depending on the style of music, how do you, is it what you would call in the Boston area a GB band?

[00:02:12] Do you know that term?

[00:02:13] No.

[00:02:14] It's a term of art.

[00:02:14] GB, general business.

[00:02:16] A GB band is like a wedding band.

[00:02:18] Okay.

[00:02:18] It's a band.

[00:02:19] It's a cover band.

[00:02:20] For some reason, I, they, when I cut my teeth in LA and nobody called them this, but here in Boston.

[00:02:24] I've never heard it before.

[00:02:25] People say it?

[00:02:26] GB, like if you're a musician, like, Oh, what kind of band is it?

[00:02:29] Oh, GB.

[00:02:29] It means, it means it's money making.

[00:02:31] It means it's not a, not a band that you do for the love of the art.

[00:02:34] It's a cover band, but not your passion, dedication in your Soundgarden tribute band.

[00:02:40] No, it's, this is a top 40 wedding band that plays like weddings and bar mitzvahs and stuff like that.

[00:02:45] And you know in those bands, you know that band.

[00:02:46] And because when they say we have an original for you, everyone goes, Oh no.

[00:02:51] No, but see that.

[00:02:52] No, but see that's, no.

[00:02:53] See, that's the Soundgarden tribute.

[00:02:55] When you have the original grunge track, you write, everybody grunge.

[00:02:58] The GB band is full of professionals who know that there was no place for that.

[00:03:03] You would never be at somebody's wedding and going, Hey, I'm going to play an original.

[00:03:06] You might be at the bar playing in your Soundgarden tribute band and say, you want to hear my song?

[00:03:11] That sounds a lot like black hole sun.

[00:03:13] Yeah.

[00:03:13] At a wedding.

[00:03:14] No, no, no, no.

[00:03:15] There's too much money on the line.

[00:03:17] I love a good wedding band.

[00:03:18] Like a real band at a wedding.

[00:03:20] A good GB band.

[00:03:21] You mean?

[00:03:21] Yeah.

[00:03:22] I just want to dance.

[00:03:23] So what kind of music?

[00:03:24] A super group would be fun to assemble, but.

[00:03:27] I do a super group of female folk performers.

[00:03:31] Like female singer songwriters.

[00:03:33] Wow.

[00:03:34] Maybe I will do a punk band.

[00:03:35] I think you need to be genre specific because otherwise it's like, yeah, I want like Lars

[00:03:39] Ulrich in my super group.

[00:03:40] And you got Sean Watkins in the punk band, right?

[00:03:41] Yeah.

[00:03:41] And he's a bluegrass guitar player.

[00:03:42] Yeah.

[00:03:43] Sean, if you're listening, I love you.

[00:03:45] I know you play more than bluegrass, but ooh, the hybrid picking he does.

[00:04:01] Oh, so good.

[00:04:02] So hot.

[00:04:03] So this.

[00:04:05] Well, okay.

[00:04:05] You say hot.

[00:04:06] Yeah.

[00:04:06] That's funny.

[00:04:07] This is the, the idol over a beer after rehearsal chatter that musicians get up to.

[00:04:14] Have you ever constructed with your friends, a ranking system about how hot a member of

[00:04:20] a band is?

[00:04:21] Not bands, but me and my mom friends had a really riveting conversation about Mo Willems

[00:04:28] versus Shel Silverstein before.

[00:04:30] Okay.

[00:04:30] And you know, I did not know Mo Willems until I had kids.

[00:04:34] I knew Shel Silverstein is a kid.

[00:04:36] Mm hmm.

[00:04:36] The very melancholy poems.

[00:04:38] Yes.

[00:04:38] I read those, but I didn't know the elephant and pig stuff until I had kids.

[00:04:44] But yeah, we got into heated debates and excuse me, listeners, who's more fuckable?

[00:04:48] Mo Willems or Shel Silverstein?

[00:04:49] Wow.

[00:04:49] Um, I have no idea what the correct answer is.

[00:04:52] All right.

[00:04:53] Is there a correct answer or it's open for me?

[00:04:54] The correct answer is Shel Silverstein.

[00:04:55] Shel Silverstein.

[00:04:56] Because he's broken and you can fix him.

[00:04:58] Oh my God.

[00:04:59] Okay.

[00:04:59] That is.

[00:04:59] This is what mom's talking about.

[00:05:01] Okay.

[00:05:01] Yeah.

[00:05:01] I know.

[00:05:02] I know.

[00:05:02] But that's what's up.

[00:05:03] Speaking of far less controversial, we can just take this system, this irreverent system

[00:05:08] of ranking and you could just apply it to coolness, not just hotness.

[00:05:11] Coolness.

[00:05:11] But this is probably emerged as a band conversation as a way to diss certain members of the band

[00:05:18] years ago.

[00:05:19] Sure.

[00:05:20] But we created at one point a point scale of how cool or hot it was based on each instrument

[00:05:27] had its own intrinsic point value, each role in the band.

[00:05:31] Right.

[00:05:32] So if you think, let's say like kind of a pop or a rock band who has the most intrinsic

[00:05:37] point value.

[00:05:38] Lead guitarist.

[00:05:39] Higher than lead vocals?

[00:05:40] Well, bonus if they are both.

[00:05:43] No, but just, well, that's different.

[00:05:44] Hang on.

[00:05:45] Hang on.

[00:05:45] I would say lead singer gets the most points.

[00:05:49] For me, I think of a lead singer as less attractive than a soft spoken lead, really

[00:05:55] good guitarist.

[00:05:55] Either way, you've got your two top positions, which are the lead guitar player and the lead

[00:06:02] vocalist.

[00:06:02] Right.

[00:06:02] You can argue over who gets what combo if it's both.

[00:06:06] If it's Lenny Kravitz, Jimi Hendrix, these guys that play Dave Matthews, not normally

[00:06:11] thought of as hot on paper, super hot.

[00:06:14] He's a lead guitar player and a singer.

[00:06:16] Once he starts dancing like, oh, so who's next?

[00:06:19] Drummer.

[00:06:20] Drummer.

[00:06:21] And that's the interesting thing.

[00:06:22] And I think this started as a conversation as a way to diss keyboardists and bassists.

[00:06:26] But the drummer is next, followed by probably the bass player.

[00:06:33] Yeah.

[00:06:33] And then keyboardists.

[00:06:35] Well, the keyboardists, like you never noticed them.

[00:06:38] Like, what are they even doing back there?

[00:06:39] They're carrying the weight of the whole band, probably.

[00:06:41] But they're just tucked in a corner somewhere by the outlet.

[00:06:44] Like sometimes they're, you know, Ben Folds, like they're the leader of the band.

[00:06:47] But I will say there's something about being at a keyboard that feels more trapped.

[00:06:52] Sure.

[00:06:52] A bass or a guitar covers you, but you're less like locked behind it.

[00:06:57] You can move around and the drummer is just hitting stuff.

[00:06:59] So the drummer doesn't suffer from the same trapped feeling that, especially if you're seated.

[00:07:05] I direct an ensemble at the school I teach.

[00:07:08] I'm like, keyboardists, stand up.

[00:07:10] Don't sit down.

[00:07:10] Yeah.

[00:07:10] You're not a pianist.

[00:07:11] You're a keyboardist.

[00:07:12] We're playing a rock song.

[00:07:13] You got to like dance a little bit.

[00:07:14] Stand up.

[00:07:14] You got to rock a little bit.

[00:07:15] Drummers have a lot of potential to like emote, though.

[00:07:19] And I love a drummer like the drummer for Dave Matthews band.

[00:07:22] He like emotes so much.

[00:07:24] He has such a good affect when he's drumming so positive and uplifting.

[00:07:29] I don't think.

[00:07:30] He's also amazing.

[00:07:31] He's also amazing.

[00:07:32] He's amazing.

[00:07:33] The drummer from Metallica I had a huge crush on.

[00:07:36] Drummer from Chili Peppers is a great name.

[00:07:38] He's great.

[00:07:39] Yeah.

[00:07:39] Lars and Chad you're talking about.

[00:07:42] Chad would be in my super group.

[00:07:43] Chad Smith.

[00:07:58] Yes.

[00:07:58] He being your girl.

[00:07:59] Yeah, he would be.

[00:08:00] Okay.

[00:08:00] Okay.

[00:08:00] So we'll come back to it.

[00:08:01] But anyways, I'm saying the point system, the point system, you could tailor it because

[00:08:06] it wasn't just intrinsically right.

[00:08:08] Obviously, lead guitar has more weight than rhythm guitar or whatever.

[00:08:11] But you could also get bonus points for being actually physically attractive.

[00:08:15] Yes.

[00:08:15] You could get bonus points for being extremely good at your instrument.

[00:08:19] So like you could have a band where the keyboardist like Rick Wakeman or whatever, you know, prog

[00:08:24] rock keyboardist would be leveled up beyond the bottom rung of keyboard because there's this

[00:08:30] virtuoso.

[00:08:31] Right.

[00:08:31] There are times that like I'm only attracted to people in bands because they're so good.

[00:08:36] I'm a lover of music.

[00:08:37] Like I love live music for sure.

[00:08:39] And talent can carry you even if you're a dump.

[00:08:42] So I'm not saying we use a point system to create a super group, but you could come up

[00:08:47] with you could rank every single female guitar player because they all have the same intrinsic

[00:08:52] points based on guitar.

[00:08:54] But you can say all these.

[00:08:55] Oh, they write their own songs.

[00:08:56] They also sing backup vocals.

[00:08:57] But we won't do that.

[00:08:59] I'm just putting it out there.

[00:09:00] So you're doing all female folk.

[00:09:03] What would you say?

[00:09:04] I think all mostly female because we put Chad on the drums because he's great.

[00:09:09] Why?

[00:09:10] Why is this the drummer?

[00:09:11] So first of all, Chad, if you're out there.

[00:09:13] I can't think of a female drummer.

[00:09:14] I mean, there's no female drummer.

[00:09:16] So Meg White and she's not going to make the cut for my group.

[00:09:18] She's not going to make the cut.

[00:09:18] Well, the snare drum, that's not enough.

[00:09:20] The drummer from Neon Trees.

[00:09:22] She's good.

[00:09:23] I don't remember her name.

[00:09:24] Yeah, but we don't know her name.

[00:09:25] So like not just Meg White.

[00:09:28] I mean, there's Mo Tucker.

[00:09:29] Mo came up in another conversation.

[00:09:31] We were talking about your daughter playing.

[00:09:32] She's a drummer from Velvet Underground.

[00:09:35] Sheila E from Prince's Band.

[00:09:36] I mean, she was pretty killer.

[00:09:38] Did you see the Greatest Night in Pop?

[00:09:39] How she was like she was invited to sing Real the World because she had had a single or whatever.

[00:09:44] But she kind of realized, oh, my God, they just used me to try to get Prince to show up.

[00:09:48] That's a bummer.

[00:09:49] I didn't see that.

[00:09:49] Was it good?

[00:09:50] Oh, it's excellent.

[00:09:51] I'll check it out.

[00:09:52] There's already many podcasts of people saying, oh, my God, did you see that?

[00:09:55] So we can stop talking about it.

[00:09:56] But yes, watch it.

[00:09:57] Okay.

[00:09:58] Meg White, of course, you did mention there's Boston local Terry Lynn Carrington.

[00:10:02] She's a really good percussionist.

[00:10:04] She's awesome.

[00:10:04] She teaches at Berkeley.

[00:10:05] So she's around here.

[00:10:06] You know, Karen Carpenter.

[00:10:08] Okay.

[00:10:09] Yeah, she was.

[00:10:09] You don't really think of that as a band that rocks.

[00:10:11] For the time being, we're just going to put a wig on Chad and call it a day.

[00:10:15] Okay, you're going to put a wig on Chad.

[00:10:16] Because that's fine.

[00:10:18] Fair enough.

[00:11:00] And then I'm going to put Taylor Swift in there for just for songwriting.

[00:11:03] I don't want her to sing.

[00:11:04] I just want her to write the song.

[00:11:05] Is she playing guitar also?

[00:11:07] She can play.

[00:11:08] She can maybe play piano.

[00:11:24] It all seems so simple.

[00:11:31] She can.

[00:11:31] She's like the conductor.

[00:11:32] So she's getting low points, though, from her instrument.

[00:11:35] She's getting.

[00:11:36] She's getting.

[00:11:36] But but she gets bonuses for writing songs.

[00:11:39] I want her and Carole King to write songs together.

[00:11:42] But Carole King's got to play keyboards.

[00:11:58] And trouble.

[00:12:02] Yeah.

[00:12:03] Yeah, she probably would.

[00:12:04] I mean, Taylor can do.

[00:12:05] She can play guitar.

[00:12:06] She's a pretty good guitar player.

[00:12:06] Okay, she is.

[00:12:07] Okay, so we can get Carole King on the keyboards.

[00:12:09] We can get Taylor Swift on the guitar.

[00:12:22] Chad on the drums.

[00:12:28] Who else do we need?

[00:12:29] A bass player.

[00:12:30] Bass.

[00:12:31] You know, again, there's not.

[00:12:33] I'm sure there are female bass players.

[00:12:35] I just can't really think of any.

[00:12:37] Well, you're talking about.

[00:12:37] There's definitely female rock bass players.

[00:12:40] Yeah.

[00:12:40] I think Kim Deal.

[00:12:41] Sure.

[00:12:42] From Pixies for in terms of folk.

[00:12:45] You're the one who said.

[00:12:46] You know what?

[00:12:47] Who I'm going to put also on the stage.

[00:12:49] All of Haim.

[00:12:50] Like that.

[00:12:51] Haim.

[00:12:52] I think that's just our Jewishness coming out.

[00:12:55] How would the.

[00:12:56] Yeah.

[00:12:57] Haim.

[00:12:57] Haim.

[00:12:58] Is it Haim like that?

[00:12:59] I don't know.

[00:12:59] I think I've always just heard it as Haim.

[00:13:01] I think it's just Haim.

[00:13:02] Well, yeah.

[00:13:03] So we'll put all of Haim on there.

[00:13:05] It's Haim TV.

[00:13:21] And they can fill.

[00:13:22] Yeah.

[00:13:22] They can fill it out the blanks.

[00:13:24] Yeah.

[00:13:24] And it's just like traveling.

[00:13:26] Wilburry.

[00:13:27] They're sort of folky.

[00:13:27] They're very folky.

[00:13:29] They're great.

[00:13:29] They're great.

[00:13:30] I want to talk about how I'm one of these.

[00:13:32] And I also want Hozier on the stage, too, because he's very handsome.

[00:13:34] So all right.

[00:13:34] He's got the most.

[00:13:35] He's someone that like if you just showed me a picture of him in his space, I wouldn't

[00:13:40] be attracted to.

[00:13:41] But when I see him on stage, I'm attracted.

[00:13:43] So he gets a lot of a lot of points.

[00:13:45] So I feel like your super group kind of went a little off the rails.

[00:13:48] What else is new?

[00:13:48] Am I going to try?

[00:13:50] I'm self imposing just because I randomly decided for lack of a better thing, I'm going

[00:13:54] to do a punk super group.

[00:13:55] Mine floats above genre.

[00:13:57] OK, fair enough.

[00:13:58] I'm going to do a punk super group.

[00:13:59] And I think my age bias and my original West Coast bias is probably going to shine through

[00:14:05] on this one.

[00:14:07] So drummer, I'm going with Bill Stevenson from the Descendants.

[00:14:11] You know the Descendants?

[00:14:12] No, I know.

[00:14:13] Descendants are great.

[00:14:13] Descendants and all.

[00:14:14] He's a really good drummer.

[00:14:16] He writes songs.

[00:14:17] He sings backup vocals.

[00:14:19] He seems just like a really cool dude.

[00:14:21] And time I've heard interviews with him.

[00:14:22] So definitely going Bill Stevenson.

[00:14:36] Am I going Mike Watt on bass?

[00:14:38] Mike Watt from the Minutemen and also from Mike Watt.

[00:14:42] Mike Watt?

[00:14:44] It's also becoming very apparent that you know more.

[00:14:47] It sounds silly to say, but you know more about music than me because I'm like, who are

[00:14:50] these people?

[00:14:51] Yeah, I think I think.

[00:14:52] OK, so I think I'm not going to go with Mike Watt.

[00:14:54] I love Mike Watt.

[00:14:56] I'm going Matt Freeman from Rancid.

[00:14:58] Do you know Rancid?

[00:14:58] Yeah, I know Rancid.

[00:14:59] Honestly, I think I just have to.

[00:15:02] It's when I think of punk bass.

[00:15:04] I think of the song Maxwell Murder by Rancid.

[00:15:08] Do you know this song?

[00:15:08] It's from an outcome.

[00:15:09] The Wolves.

[00:15:10] No, let me let me just play you.

[00:15:13] I'm not all for masturbatory solos really, but when it's a bass solo like this, I'm all

[00:15:20] about it.

[00:15:21] Take a listen.

[00:15:38] That's crazy.

[00:15:39] I don't love that style of music is not what I go to like.

[00:15:43] That is definitely not my go to style of music.

[00:15:45] If I saw that perform live, I would lose my mind.

[00:15:48] It's so good.

[00:15:49] So good.

[00:15:50] I mean, it's ridiculous.

[00:15:51] I'd have to have a lot of your plugs.

[00:15:52] So I'm going to go with Matt Freeman just because that one back when I was preteen

[00:15:56] or whatever, when I first heard that band and I heard that song just like, oh, my

[00:15:59] God, that's impossible.

[00:16:00] That's my archetypal, even though Mike Watt and stuff, of course, is so influential on

[00:16:04] bands like Rancid.

[00:16:05] So, okay.

[00:16:06] So I've got bass and drums.

[00:16:08] I feel like God.

[00:16:10] Okay.

[00:16:10] Now I need to pause for a second.

[00:16:11] It's hard.

[00:16:12] The title of this episode is brain marks brain short circuit.

[00:16:16] That's right.

[00:16:16] That's right.

[00:16:17] It's like, do I want like Billy Joe?

[00:16:20] And then now I'm thinking like, oh, you know how we get Hozier in my mix.

[00:16:24] And maybe it can't be all.

[00:16:25] You got him.

[00:16:26] George Harrison.

[00:16:27] Can't he play too?

[00:16:28] You're not a punk player.

[00:16:29] But no, I'm thinking of my band.

[00:16:31] Mark, it's all about me.

[00:16:33] Okay.

[00:16:33] So I'm struggling a little bit with the guitar.

[00:16:36] I'll just go one guitar and one vocalist just to kind of keep it clean.

[00:16:40] I'm struggling with figuring out the right flavor to go in.

[00:16:46] And I'm just going to keep all in on West Coast.

[00:16:48] I'm sorry, Midwest punk.

[00:16:50] I'm sorry, East Coast punk.

[00:16:51] Very sorry, Boston punk and New York punk.

[00:16:53] But I guess I'm going to decide Greg Graffin will be the lead vocalist.

[00:16:57] Not just because obviously I've mentioned Bad Religion in other episodes probably already.

[00:17:03] I already mentioned that he has a PhD in evolutionary biology or something like that.

[00:17:07] But he's got this like very husky, powerful voice.

[00:17:11] He sings cool backup vocals on the records.

[00:17:14] He also writes really smart lyrics.

[00:17:16] I've always been drawn as a nerdy academic.

[00:17:19] I've always been drawn to the sort of wordiness of Bad Religion.

[00:17:24] Like I just think that's a great front man.

[00:17:27] And have they told you how to think?

[00:17:30] Cleanse your mind of steps to stand on time on me.

[00:17:33] Or have you escaped from scrutiny and regaled yourself with depravity?

[00:17:53] And so then keep completing the circle of 80s and 90s punk bands that I'm putting in the mix.

[00:18:00] I'm going to have the guitar player be El Jefe from NoFX.

[00:18:03] Okay.

[00:18:03] Because he also sings.

[00:18:04] He's a really good guitar player.

[00:18:06] Also plays trumpet.

[00:18:23] Yeah.

[00:18:24] So I've got, I've got my quartet there.

[00:18:26] I'll stop there.

[00:18:27] Do you want to flush out a horn section and add more?

[00:18:29] This is not a Scott punk band.

[00:18:32] Okay.

[00:18:32] There's boundaries.

[00:18:33] I appreciate that.

[00:18:34] This is a straightforward punk band.

[00:18:36] And it's already problematic maybe that I have four people and not three.

[00:18:40] Maybe I should have just gone vocalist who also plays.

[00:18:42] I think the West Coast punk police are going to ring your doorbell and be like,

[00:18:48] how dare you?

[00:18:49] Yeah.

[00:18:49] I know.

[00:18:50] How dare you?

[00:18:51] I'm happy with a quartet.

[00:18:51] I'm, I'm happy with a quartet.

[00:18:53] Are you?

[00:18:53] You look very unsettled.

[00:18:54] I'm uncomfortable.

[00:18:55] It's like, I either need to do a trio or I need to do like what Bad Religion is now,

[00:18:58] which is like seven dudes.

[00:18:59] Cause it's like anybody who's ever been in the band is welcome to come back.

[00:19:02] My super group has like 20 people in it.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:05] Okay.

[00:19:05] All right.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:05] I still want to get Kirk Hammond in there.

[00:19:07] I'm not putting Chad Smith or Hozier in my West Coast punk band.

[00:19:11] Well, you're losing sex appeal.

[00:19:13] Wait, Nicole, can we read our outro credits?

[00:19:15] Like we're a blase teenager that really doesn't care.

[00:19:18] Sure.

[00:19:18] I guess.

[00:19:20] Nevermind the music is hosted by Nicole Thatcher and me, Mark Poppany.

[00:19:25] I also produce, uh, you know, honestly, I don't care, but if you feel like it, you could leave

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[00:19:35] And let us know what you think on social media.

[00:19:38] Like no one says social media anymore.

[00:19:41] Just say socials.

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[00:19:45] We're never music pod on all major platforms, whatever that means.

[00:19:50] You can also email us if you want to go into your time machine back to like 2012 and send

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[00:20:01] It might as well be a hotmail address.

[00:20:03] Every so often we'll do a mailbag episode.

[00:20:06] I don't even know what a mailbag is, but that's fine.

[00:20:10] Um, we'll try to answer your questions there.

[00:20:12] Yeah, I guess.

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