Why do we always keep coming back? Here we break down Post Malone’s 2019 summer jam “Circles.” Mark has some thoughts about how the melody feeds on itself, but Nichole would rather talk about what it would be like to “check out” and completely disengage from society. We dare you to DOOOOOO something!
Other music heard in this episode: Post Malone - “White Iverson”, Post Malone - “Rockstar”, Post Malone - “Psycho”, Post Malone - “I Like You”, Aaron Neville - “Bridge Over Troubled Water”, Adriana Caselotti - “Someday My Prince Will Come”, Taylor Swift - “I Knew You Were Trouble”, Huey Lewis & The News - “Stuck With You”
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00:00 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like something about that's very intriguing to me that like how it's kind of maniacal and they're very interesting way.
00:05 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a postmodern supervillain story that starts with?
00:08 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That starts with Guy has pop rap career and then goes to like the comes paranoid.
00:16 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like world ends and then he creates it.
00:18 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not my entire empire.
00:20 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
00:20 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like human like Travis and Taylor and there you talk compound.
00:35 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I'm Mark.
00:36 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm Nicole, and this is never mind the music.
00:39 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Post Malone, Austin Post.
00:41 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I have like obsessed with him.
00:43 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
00:43 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's really cute.
00:44 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Obsessed, I feel like you're the only person that the listener has might agree this.
00:49 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly when this is airing, but by the time this one comes out, undoubtedly there have been twenty five references to Hozier in this podcast.
00:57 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
00:58 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
00:58 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are you more in love with?
01:00 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And love is strong.
01:01 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, who are you more obsessed with?
01:04 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that.
01:05 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to help the emotion, right?
01:06 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very interested in post Malone as like a human being.
01:10 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:11 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's very nuanced and a really interesting way.
01:14 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm more intrigued by him than Andrew Burr.
01:18 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the song Circles from twenty nineteen.
01:42 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great song.
01:43 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about his vibrato?
01:46 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that his real voice or is that like an auto tune?
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want to talk about.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's got that shake.
01:50 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The, uh, I think going on listeners, I just rapidly tapped my Adam's apple, which is exactly what post Malone does on stage.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I assume.
01:59 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You think I'm pretty sure it's all electric.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so I wanted to unpack that.
02:04 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we've got some real stuff to talk about.
02:07 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear more about your obsession with post Malone.
02:09 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's a progression of his vibrato.
02:13 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Listeners, by the way, if we haven't talked about this yet already, vibrato is the sort of bounce of a voice.
02:19 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a voice rapidly going up and down in pitch, right?
02:23 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's sort of shakes.
02:24 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's common for, you know, especially classical vocal technique, but also you hear it in a lot of R&B.
02:30 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And some pop, though, they're not as much these days.
02:33 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the difference between like, ah, and
02:37 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of forcing it there, but it's like a shakingist that provides a lot of warmth.
02:42 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And post malones sounds a little unusual.
02:45 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: If we go all the way back, his first single, white Iversen, twenty-fifteen, there's these tiny little flips in his voice.
02:53 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this a little shaky vibrato or something like auto tune, and some kind of effect?
03:10 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like his natural voice.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like it might be, yeah.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Things become a little more extreme though, as time goes on.
03:18 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's Rockstar from twenty seventeen.
03:20 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not natural.
03:32 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You say not natural.
03:33 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I say that's not natural.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It sticks out so much.
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And it also seems almost impossible.
03:38 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like even if it is real, it's been sped up or something.
03:41 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And then here's Psycho, twenty eighteen at this point.
03:43 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's messing with us.
04:00 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has a raspiness to his voice that makes it very distinct.
04:05 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that in the demo, like, he's starting to play with this vibrato, and then later it's getting produced in.
04:12 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean, he has something natural, and then they later add it.
04:16 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They have something natural, and then later they like bumped it up.
04:19 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you might be right.
04:20 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's something there, but that there might also be things that are accentuating it.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a more recent example.
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I like you, twenty, twenty, two.
04:35 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like sometimes it might be more real than others, but how about...
04:41 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you gonna play Fortnite?
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that one doesn't really do it, does it?
04:45 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't.
04:46 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
04:46 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's not all the time that he does it.
04:49 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a thing he turns on, whether it's an effect or a technique, but interesting.
04:53 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: At first, I was kind of convinced that there's no way this is real.
04:56 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But the more like, I'm listening, there are singers that do this.
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Erin Neville.
05:02 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This is his version of Bridge Over troubled water from two thousand.
05:24 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that's way slower, but it's almost what we would call tremolo, which is not shaking up and down, but like the air stopping and it has that wobble although air in levels is way more slow, almost also impossible, sounding because it's like how does his air interrupt like that?
05:41 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But we know it's
05:42 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We know it's not an auto tune, right?
05:45 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And then how about this example?
05:47 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Going way back, nineteen thirty seven.
05:49 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_00]: This is someday my principal come.
05:51 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Snow White.
05:52 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Adriana Castleotty, the voice of Snow White.
06:14 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's iconic and also annoying.
06:18 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a very dated way of seeing, but it's possible for a singer to do that kind of a wobble.
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
06:25 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: To me, it settles it.
06:26 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This is him doing circles live back to post Malone.
06:29 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
06:30 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Season change and I love it.
06:34 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, be the friend cause you can't let go.
06:50 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's definitely not manipulated, but it sounds like he's not okay.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, first of all, it could be manipulated alive.
06:56 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still could be the problem.
06:58 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like you mean it doesn't sound healthy.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't sound healthy.
07:01 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of doesn't.
07:02 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
07:04 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Austin, are you okay?
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you need a hug?
07:08 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right in, right in post, right in, let us know what you're doing.
07:12 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But in any case, I just wanted to highlight it.
07:14 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it is natural, but that they're doing things to make sure we really notice it.
07:21 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, I don't know that it's always a hundred percent natural, but clearly that shows me and Snow White shows me people can sing like this.
07:29 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, okay.
07:30 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so you're a fan of Post Malone.
07:32 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm kind of
07:34 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say I am too, but I basically just know his singles.
07:38 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I like his artistry quite a bit.
07:40 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he, I'm interested in him as a creative person.
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like his collaborations.
07:46 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that he often, you think you have him in a genre and then he switches to a different genre and still crushes it like I really like his versatility as a,
07:55 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: as a creative person.
07:57 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the vocals are just secondary to his like creative mind that that's just his his medium.
08:06 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that like he's got a lot cooking in his brain in a really cool way.
08:12 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know much about that.
08:13 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there like multimedia aspects or like other foreign art forms that he's working with?
08:17 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I just know that when other artists talk about him, they talk about him not like as a singer, but more of like a mastermind or producer or like someone that just has really great ideas that you know that if he touches it, it's going to be a hit or if he gives input or feedback, it's going to be really good input and feedback.
08:34 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that he works with people from so many different genres and it's always great is telling to me in that regard.
08:41 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a whole new album coming out soon.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an entirely country album, which I think is really interesting.
08:45 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
08:46 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely didn't know that.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cool.
08:48 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So he crosses genres a lot in a way that is intriguing and kind of keeps him relevant.
08:53 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that I respect that.
08:54 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I just respect him as a person.
08:56 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's also very open about mental health and like his struggles with mental health and mental illness in a way that I think is really great to reduce stigma in that area, which is something I'm pretty passionate about.
09:08 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
09:26 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The songs that I know of post Malone are more or less the pop songs.
09:30 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Even when you look at the older stuff, the ones that he was releasing as singles, they're hip hoppy, but like he's a singer, really.
09:37 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know he's not just a singer, but he really showcases to mainstream culture the singing more than they're happening.
09:45 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to talk about circles and specifically the way the melody comes together.
09:50 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's the hook of the tune once again.
10:14 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is one of those that has a long list of authors on it, going back to some of our previous conversations on authorship.
10:20 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Written by Post with Louis Bell, Adam Fini, Con Gunisberg, and Billy Walsh, a bunch of producer songwriter collaborators.
10:28 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: This one did hit number one, which is his fourth, though his first just as a solo song without a collaborator, like a feature.
10:35 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a lot of collaboration.
10:36 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right, totally.
10:37 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So his previous ones, Rockstar, Psycho, and Sunflower, all featured in another artist prominently.
10:42 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, do you remember when we talked about motivic development?
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We care more.
10:46 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_00]: How can you forget?
10:47 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we talked about variation in the Kylie Monoke tune.
10:51 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we talked about how you'd have little cells of music that were put in random order like puzzle pieces or legos in the du Aleppo tune.
10:58 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
11:00 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This is sort of like all those, but also different.
11:03 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So what I want to talk about is the way this melody sort of feeds itself.
11:07 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That the hook, for example, is a combination of previous sections of music all piled together.
11:14 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure what this will have to do with any of the arc of the sort of narrative and the mental health story and the sort of idea of looping around and failing over and over again in a relationship.
11:24 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it was part of what made the song so catchy and just such a jam really.
11:30 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the beat, but the tune is really compelling too.
11:34 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not necessarily full on-motivic development where things are being stretched and added to and modified in the same way as the pair more tune, but it bears some resemblance to that.
11:43 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So we start with our first little amount of melody on a guitar in the song's intro.
11:59 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so remember that little tune.
12:01 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna see it transform throughout the song.
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the first lines of the actual verse.
12:14 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: To those last few notes sound familiar to you.
12:17 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they sound the same.
12:18 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So this comes from this.
12:25 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the melody ends on, uh, uh, uh, kind of guitar and vocal lick at the beginning, right?
12:32 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're gonna see that be kind of the name of the game.
12:36 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's even keep going in the verse and see what happens.
12:48 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Some go case of the shakes there and the vibrato.
12:51 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And we see those two ideas combined to make the hook of the song.
12:55 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Take a look to this first section of the hook here.
12:58 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This part comes from here.
13:13 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they sound very, very similar.
13:14 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They are the same, they're both the same notes with almost the same rhythm.
13:17 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And this part comes from this part we just heard.
13:25 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
13:25 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite the du Aleepa song was just sort of like random pasting of, I'm levitating, and stuff like that.
13:31 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: She kept duplicating this.
13:33 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like informing the next section.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And it keeps going.
13:37 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's the second half of that hook part.
13:50 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We've already heard in the first verse.
13:55 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of the Hino being short, the Hino's long, but otherwise it's basically the same.
14:00 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But what I'm posting alone is doing here is he's finding a motif that works and he's repeating it and manipulating it slightly to create like a narrative arc of the song, right?
14:10 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: On that note, I have a little bit more.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about that.
14:13 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So this song, it's like a failed relationship running away and can't do it.
14:17 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You like keep getting sucked back in.
14:19 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:20 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And there is like a sort of repetition to this.
14:23 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a cyclical really.
14:24 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels a little more organic than that.
14:26 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what I'd like to talk about here, like along those lines is when I
14:30 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: When you read about Post Malone and him as a human, he has a lot of struggles with anxiety.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a lot of struggles with depression.
14:39 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a lot of problems with being around lots of people.
14:43 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He often would say that the scene is a lot.
14:47 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of networking.
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of talking to people.
14:51 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And when he goes home, he just wants to be home.
14:53 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And he wants to place that he can just shut it all down.
14:56 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of just like running around in circles all the time and kind of keep repeating the same conversation all the time.
15:02 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So he bought himself a giant property in Utah, like in the middle of nowhere, huge, huge compound.
15:10 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the Justin Timberlake method, right?
15:12 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That was Montana though.
15:13 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Montana.
15:14 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But he is like more of like a post apocalyptic vibe, like let me sure up this compound.
15:21 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So John the world doesn't all have a place to go.
15:23 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No, post Malone.
15:25 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Post Malone's like a prepper.
15:27 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like a prep.
15:28 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
15:29 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I wanted to talk about.
15:31 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So like anxiety probably is a part of the cognitive process.
15:37 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that like Austin post is the obsessive compulsive personality or has anxiety.
15:44 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He just closes that he does, but I'm just interested in
15:48 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: the idea of running away from society.
15:54 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really interested in the idea of what does it when do you make that call to completely retreat and say, I'm just going to protect myself and make sure that this is the place that I have to hide out at the end of the day.
16:05 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a pretty nice place.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's huge.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You can like see tons of pictures online.
16:11 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a pretty, if I'm going to get trapped anywhere, I wouldn't mind being trapped there.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not a guilty cage.
16:17 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a gilded.
16:18 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it might be a gilded case.
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
16:20 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:20 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks pretty effing gilded.
16:22 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, it's hard for me to relate to the idea of really wanting to separate from everything.
16:27 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have his life.
16:28 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the bustling and I don't have press.
16:31 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It is very easy for me to relate to that idea.
16:34 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very easy for me to say, like, we should buy property in the middle of nowhere and stockpile there.
16:39 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I just know problem with that.
16:41 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like if things look, if we're talking zombie apocalypse and it's a literal matter of survival, okay?
16:47 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But if we're talking like the gradual disillusion of our society, I feel like I need to be here to play a role to some extent in stopping that tide.
16:57 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know that.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.
16:58 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That going to the mountains of Utah and just waiting for everybody to kill each other is necessarily the, that's not your move.
17:06 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Not my move.
17:07 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my move.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
17:09 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
17:09 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: See you later, Mark.
17:10 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
17:10 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
17:11 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:11 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to like protect my people, protect my family, bring my dog, and hit it.
17:16 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: No, again.
17:17 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If the zombies are boiling up in downtown Boston, maybe I'm changing my tune.
17:22 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The kind of apocalypse that these guys who are doing this are running against is the kind of apocalypse that I feel like can be stopped, right?
17:30 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm not sure I would feel good about
17:35 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: sure you think that you're the person to stop it.
17:37 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, but I feel like to a certain extent you should buy into your community to try to make it better, right?
17:43 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not to say you couldn't then move to a small town Utah or whatever and find a new community and contribute to it, but I don't know what.
17:49 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: My tax revenue should probably go to the place where I choose to live and like I'm happy to.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, what's the difference here?
17:56 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The personality thing or is it?
17:58 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a percent ideological night.
18:00 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the idea that money matters more to people like us than we're not, we don't have post-mull on money.
18:09 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like you can pay taxes condo and L.A.
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: and then also have this compound in Utah right?
18:14 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
18:15 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to invest where we live and love where we live.
18:18 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't get to have free options, but still.
18:20 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it's interesting because when you hear Austin talk about this, we're on a first name basis now.
18:26 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: When I listened to him talk about this, right?
18:29 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He does talk about it in a way like I just had to get out.
18:33 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is that kind of desperation that's really interesting to me here, especially in relevance to the song.
18:40 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a season's changed, right?
18:43 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like in one point in your life, you could be really into a certain lifestyle, but then something breaks, and you can't keep running in circles anymore, and you have to find an exit strategy.
18:53 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what when I listen to this song, and I think about his life experience, I know it's about a relationship.
18:59 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand that metaphor.
19:02 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, I layer on that piece of what I know about him to the song.
19:07 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: that he lived one lifestyle for a while, that's real hustle and bustle lifestyle, but then season changed for him.
19:12 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And he did need to focus more internally and find peace within himself.
19:17 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hate, I mean, to say spiritual journey, I roll my eyes at, but I'm really interested in that journey of a human that like you are kind of at some point make the choice to get off a treadmill.
19:30 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's really a powerful and profound choice to make.
19:33 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and look, I'm not judging because especially if there's mental health situations, if I had really terrible allergies to whatever the local tree was, nobody could be like, how dare you to move away to an area that does not have that tree?
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that would be an entire different state, right?
19:52 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But if your health depends on a certain position in the world, both figuratively and literally, I can't fall to him for that.
20:01 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's just what I feel good about that move, but I again give me post-malone money and maybe I'm like, yeah, let's have our underground bunker in the batter or whatever.
20:11 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
20:11 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like smart and also
20:15 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of, I hate to say crazy, but like a little bit fanatical and obsessive in a way that's very intriguing to me as someone that works in mental health, this idea that you do have resources.
20:27 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You can lean into your obsessions, like how far do you take it?
20:31 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If you had unlimited money to lean into your obsessions,
20:35 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What would that look like for you?
20:37 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's really cool.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a really cool piece.
20:40 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And the way he talks about this compound is like very, very interesting too.
20:43 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he talks about the lines that sneak in.
20:46 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He watches them on cans because he has the whole place like surveillance lines.
20:50 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he like talks about like how he'll just sit in like a room and like watch them all walk around the property and like that's interesting man to be like have all this money and like all this fame and that the you go on tour you you're working with Taylor you're working with all these people you can break in this country out in the end of the day you fly home to like
21:09 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: A weird place, like a compound in the middle of nowhere that you just watch about my ins, on surveillance cameras, like something about that's very intriguing to me that like how it's kind of maniacal and a very interesting way.
21:22 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a postmodern supervillain story that starts with?
21:25 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: that starts with guy has pop rap career and then goes to like the comes paranoid like world ends and then he creates it.
21:35 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
21:36 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Travis and Taylor and there you talk compound.
21:56 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And look, I have to say there's like, like, I roll my eyes a little more at the tech billionaires who are buying land in New Zealand, like thinking that, eh, that's some paradise that somehow escapes.
22:08 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Like somehow the AI apocalypse is not coming from New Zealand, right?
22:11 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like somehow
22:12 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: none of the problems with with the modern world will will will find them there and also that feels more like a real abdication of your role in your your responsibility sort of in your current society where it's like Utah's a cool place I've been to Utah like that's a state like nice go there like contribute give money to that rural community or whatever don't don't take it over don't gentrify it too too hard or whatever
22:33 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very interesting.
22:34 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole idea and what brought me to this idea was the repeated motif in the song of seasons changing, right?
22:42 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think about all the different seasons my life has had and still plenty more to go.
22:48 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love those changes and I lean into them and I embrace them and I feel a lot empathy for people that struggle with the change because I think change is awesome and a lot of people get really scared of it.
23:01 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about that a lot just generally and the song makes me think about how it's hard to make a change and how it's hard to break your consistent pattern because it's uncomfortable even though when you know it's the right thing to do.
23:15 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was probably very hard for him to relocate himself in his base to this remote location, but he knew he had to do it.
23:24 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And he'll often say that he's much happier for doing it.
23:26 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that's really inspiring.
23:28 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Good for him.
23:29 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:29 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think there's something interesting about almost a contradiction in the lyrics, right?
23:33 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it were at least in the narrative on some level.
23:36 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The line I think is seasons change and our love went cold or something like that, right?
23:41 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's both sort of on the surface.
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like okay.
23:46 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Times change, who we are, maybe is different now.
23:49 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We are no longer compatible or whatever, but yet they're stuck.
23:53 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
23:53 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the contradiction that's interesting is they're doomed to this circle, right?
23:58 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That the the the titular circle of the song, but they've like there's an acknowledgement that we are not the seasons have changed.
24:04 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We are not sort of together anymore aligned.
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the
24:10 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You and I both have spouses that we've been with since we were rather young.
24:13 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there is, you mentioned the seasons of your life.
24:19 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I have spent more than one season with my wife, right?
24:23 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that line wouldn't apply to us.
24:26 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't a challenge, but you can see how the idea that somebody who meets in college or whatever would then
24:34 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: be married years later and that they wouldn't have changed and grown incompatible is kind of remarkable.
24:39 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:39 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:40 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you just find new levels of compatibility.
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
24:43 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:44 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But that the characters in this song did not have that.
24:47 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:47 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But yet they're stuck.
24:48 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I find that interesting.
24:50 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Just leaving if we don't zoom out and think metaphorically like we just sort of treated as a love song or break up song or whatever or a fail break up.
24:57 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
24:57 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't break up.
24:58 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe let's reframe it, maybe a successful breakup, like maybe they weren't meant to be together.
25:04 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we spend so much time honoring relationships at the beginning and like courtship and like getting together, but we don't do enough of what honoring the end of a relationship.
25:13 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And to say like this didn't work, but we still learned a lot and you know, it's never like that.
25:18 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: the bummer but ultimately uplifting sequel to every romantic comedy film is the breakup film the breakup film was just like have courtship around breaking up as I'm just ghosting each other I feel like this song he can't he can so I have a little more music talk about this here of blasting the point so I found some other songs that do similar things of course right so we're talking about
25:41 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_00]: how little pieces of the verse than informed the melody of the hook, right?
25:46 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So, speaking of Taylor, collaborator from Fortnite, of course, well, he collaborated with her on her song Fortnite.
25:53 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you got a writing credit on that song too.
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure.
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Through our previous conversation, I'm not sure I wouldn't be surprised though.
26:00 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, everybody.
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Mark here chiming in while editing.
26:02 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: She's right.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But okay, so this is trouble from
26:07 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to hear first the hook section.
26:09 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to hear these rising fifths.
26:11 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a jumping when she's I knew you were a trouble.
26:15 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's called a fifth.
26:16 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a certain distance.
26:17 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they move by step on the trouble trouble.
26:20 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So take a listen there.
26:36 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So pairing the jumping fits with then the short step-wise hook.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Take a listen later in the song.
26:45 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: This time they're going down though.
26:48 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah?
26:57 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, people that say Taylor Swift can't sing aren't listening because she's got a great voice.
27:02 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got a nice belt and that's all for sure.
27:04 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: She's lacking vibrato though.
27:06 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not a lot of vibrato in any of her music.
27:08 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Really, she tries like this song.
27:10 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: She tries to have a grit to her voice and in some of the songs and tortured poets.
27:14 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: She tries to get like a grit into her voice, but not a lot of vibrato.
27:18 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's paired well with post-malone because he can kind of mediate that for her.
27:23 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
27:24 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fan.
27:25 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:25 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:26 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we know.
27:26 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We know you like trouble guys.
27:28 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
27:29 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Here is stuck with you by Hugh Lewis in the news.
27:32 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: In nineteen eighty six very different era very different kind of music.
27:36 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Also though.
27:37 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Very scratchy soulful voice.
27:39 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The verse of the song you're going to hear two separate elements like a rising line and then a held note that then falls down.
28:02 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And then in next section, you're gonna hear something based off that descending line when you was thought about someone else based off of that.
28:16 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: and then both of those get combined in the song's chorus section.
28:20 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: In this part, we're gonna hear a rising line.
28:22 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's true goes up and then happy to be stuck with you falls down.
28:34 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm reaching, but I feel like there's connective tissue between the sections of that song.
28:38 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also think that subconsciously, you might be realizing that post-mloom and he will lose a very similar timbre to their voice.
28:48 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Huey Lewis is like, it's hard to find somebody with a huskier voice than Huey Lewis.
28:52 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He's half way to Dickie Barrett from the money-money Boston.
28:55 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
28:55 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's kind of a little bit of that rasp that.
28:58 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:59 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They're telling things more naturally to put that's interesting.
29:02 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:02 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:03 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you like stripped it down and just listen to the vocals and not like the production or like the background stuff like I think their voices would match.
29:11 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's a little bit more husky soul singer in in Huey, but it's it's not you're not totally wrong.
29:17 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
29:17 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take that win.
29:19 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Take that win.
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:21 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So totally wrong.
29:22 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
29:23 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So back to post for just a few more examples.
29:24 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's listen to this part of the second verse.
29:33 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And we start that perfect little first two notes is very much just this.
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Coming back and then the end of the verse.
29:51 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the lyric there?
29:52 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You thought that you were special and then it was this, but it was just the sex though.
29:56 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think.
29:58 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit of, it's not the best rhyme.
30:01 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little far on slang rhyme.
30:02 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I always love the Steve Miller band rhyming in, take the money and run.
30:07 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Texas was with what the facts is.
30:10 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay guys, that's a little bit of a stretch there.
30:15 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think post is maybe stretching a little bit, but slang rhyme, we can talk about.
30:19 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: on another episode or half rhyme, right?
30:21 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, yeah, so that line.
30:27 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: really feels like it comes from this.
30:33 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
30:33 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:34 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:35 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It does sound really similar.
30:36 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the last part of the song, the bridge, is a bunch of this similar, no constructions.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So all the point being, nothing too groundbreaking here.
30:52 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just previous things he's done in this melody are informing later things.
30:57 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like one big cohesive package that sort of like what happens in the Paramore and also in the variation in the, in I can't get you out of my head, it stops it from getting boring because it's constantly different.
31:10 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But things are constantly building in a way that makes things feel cohesive.
31:13 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, I think sort of reinforces the idea of the circles and the sort of,
31:17 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: never ending trappedness of this.
31:19 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Though it's a little maybe more pleasant sounding than the lyrics might suggest.
31:23 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like as a listener these songs are really easy to learn how to sing in your car because it's just like a repeated motif and if you get one right you can just keep going with it and you feel like a little rock star wouldn't your on your way to do your errands.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what people want.
31:38 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to be challenged.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to have to, like, work for it.
31:41 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We just want, like, a catchy tune that we can, like, come with the grocery store.
31:45 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you sing in public?
31:47 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Will you sing at the grocery store?
31:48 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Will you?
31:48 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
31:49 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you a role your windows down and sing really loud and the traffic?
31:51 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, like, people notice and they're like, wow, she's a good singer.
31:55 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You won people.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I won people too.
31:57 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, are you a good singer?
31:58 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think I'm a good singer.
31:59 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've heard you say, I mean, maybe tiny bit in this podcast, but okay.
32:02 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So you want people, you want to inflict.
32:06 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You want them to know.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be doing it.
32:09 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it better if they also hear the music or if they don't hear the music?
32:12 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one time.
32:13 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's in your headphones.
32:14 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I what this is like one of the best things that happened to me in this last year that I was driving to work and it was like rush hour traffic was awful.
32:22 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really great song came on the radio and I look over and I can tell that the girl in the car next to me is like also listening singing the same song I'm singing on the radio and he can tell she's listening to the same radio station.
32:34 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So we both rolled our window, I rolled my window down, started singing and then she rolled her window down, started singing and it was like magical.
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Your sister's now.
32:42 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you have like a legal responsibility.
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope she has a good life.
32:46 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It was awesome.
32:46 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What song was it?
32:47 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It was some like Taylor stuff saw.
32:49 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
32:49 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like for sure.
32:51 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like probably cool summer or something.
32:54 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also a Taylor Swift how ubiquitous she is.
32:58 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also a chance she wasn't listening to the radio that just statistically somebody was listening to the same song at the same part of the song as you know it was pretty magical and then she just drove to work and I just drove to work and that was it.
33:12 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: She's the one that got away that you guys could have been best friends.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if she thinks about me.
33:16 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I bet you she does like it was a really powerful moment.
33:18 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got her podcast on her podcast.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, talking about it.
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean lady in the white Subaru.
33:25 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here.
33:25 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be friends.
33:29 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole, can we do the outro credits acting like we're really self-conscious and really insecure as opposed to people who actually have voluntarily put themselves out on the internet?
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's try it.
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