Why did it take us so long to get to Taylor? Welcome to season 2 of Nevermind the Music! Here, we look under someone’s bed and pickup that old “Cardigan,” Taylor Swift’s vibey hit from 2020. Mark has found a dreamy rhythmic trick that Taylor and producer Aaron Dressner use to weave the music forward. Nichole looks backward, talking about different kinds of memory and how they make this a great COVID-era song and album. Also, obviously, hear Nichole’s well-informed pick of the greatest NFL tight end of all time!
Other music heard in this episode: Taylor Swift - “Peace”, Taylor Swift - “Invisible String”, Taylor Swift - “The 1”, Nickel Creek - “To the Airport”, Smash Mouth - “All Star”, Bare Naked Ladies - “One Week”, Prince and the New Power Generation - “Diamonds and Pearls”, Luis Fonsi feat. Daddy Yankee - “Despacito”, Taylor Swift - “Mad Woman”, Taylor Swift - “Seven”, Taylor Swift - “Cassandra”
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Anytime we talk about classical music, we have to bring it back to twenty twenty-five.
00:03 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_09]: So... All right, Dr. Pepper.
00:05 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_09]: Like to just assume... It's what?
00:07 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Instantly, sorry.
00:08 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_09]: It was the sidetrack.
00:09 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_09]: You're not sorry at all.
00:10 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not.
00:20 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_10]: All right, tell us what?
00:23 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Mark.
00:25 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm Nicole.
00:27 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Out of practice for season two, and this is never mind the music.
00:30 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody season two of never mind the music.
00:34 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Nicole, how is season two going to be different from season one?
00:39 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_10]: Wow, Mark, that's such a great question.
00:42 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_10]: I think that season two we've really found out with them.
00:45 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_10]: We're really starting to hit our stride here.
00:47 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_10]: We haven't recorded in a while.
00:49 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_10]: It's some kinks in the armor.
00:52 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Why have we not recorded in a while?
00:54 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_10]: So season one, we recorded all beforehand.
00:58 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_10]: Like we recorded season one like a year ago and now we're just listening to the episodes as they come out or I sure am.
01:05 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_10]: Season two are going to record in batches.
01:07 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_10]: So we'll be able to be more nimble as Mark says.
01:12 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Agile.
01:12 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Agile.
01:13 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:14 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_03]: There were a few episodes that were newly recorded for season two.
01:16 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Some of our sidetracks, the Grammys, our wicked episode was recorded more recently.
01:21 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously the feedback mail bag episodes.
01:24 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:25 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we're recording a few episodes now.
01:27 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to record a few episodes next month and we'll just stay a little bit ahead of you all.
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe we won't get caught talking about Drake.
01:34 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_03]: right before crazy stuff happens between Drake and Kendrick Lamar for example and then it airs later there was a episode we talked a lot about problematic artists like Michael Jackson and our Kelly and I was listening to it and like how can we didn't talk about did he at all yet we just happened yet because well of course it had happened we just weren't like knowing we weren't we were in here and about it yeah all that stuff happened though so yeah another difference is we're going to have guests
02:03 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So our sidetracks last season were either random side quests I would put us on like hey, let's talk about concerts or I think that one was your idea actually or sometimes like the time we talked about psychics was just a random conversation coming from one of our episodes and we still will do some of that, but also we're going to have special guests.
02:24 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Some awesome voices you know, some voices you may not know that are really connected to music and psychology, really looking forward to that.
02:32 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, some friends of the pod.
02:33 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's another new thing about season two.
02:37 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_10]: What?
02:37 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_10]: Tell me.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about Taylor Swift.
02:39 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_03]: We got Taylor Swift finally.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_10]: Thank goodness.
02:42 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_10]: I've been biting my tongue for a year.
02:44 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know some of the listeners keep writing and saying, why aren't you going to talk about Taylor Swift?
02:48 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_03]: But to be fair, we did end up talking about Taylor Swift.
02:53 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It just wasn't in the real episode.
02:55 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_10]: It was the Grammy episode, right?
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously.
02:58 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: We talked through all of tortured poets.
03:01 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
03:01 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And also some of the feedback mail that I think it has come up.
03:05 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
03:06 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_10]: Tortured poets is in my top ten Taylor Swift albums.
03:10 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It's easily in my top twenty days with them.
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Top ten is not.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's another thing we do.
03:16 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we ranked Taylor Swift's albums.
03:17 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I think it might happen today.
03:19 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Folks, I definitely, since put it this way.
03:22 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I had heard Taylor Swift before we started this podcast thing.
03:25 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_03]: But at that time that we recorded most of these episodes, I had not heard Taylor Swift like I have heard Taylor Swift now, which is to say my kids are of the age where by now,
03:38 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Over the last year, I have heard every Taylor Swift album multiple times.
03:42 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, my kids like over it now.
03:45 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_10]: I put on Taylor Swift and she's like, oh gosh, so dumb.
03:49 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, so the middle schoolers.
03:52 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_10]: It's the kind of worst.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I'm still into it.
03:55 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also wondering, like, when is my daughter going to realize that Taylor Swift is old?
04:00 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Like,
04:01 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_03]: like in the sense that like Teos Swift is way closer to my age than to her age.
04:06 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas you know a lot of times the little girl groups are like you know our generation new kids on the block whatever they're like young men that are maybe they're identifying with as if they're like you know high schoolers are just older or handsome or whatever whereas this is
04:21 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_10]: a thirty something woman that my daughter's really into which is kind of cool like it doesn't you don't have to be what Taylor Swift was at one point which is a teen star right and she's like really good at her branding and her public persona to stay kind of evergreen in that way that she doesn't like over sexualized herself like some other artist might or she keeps her content really autobiographical so people should really connect into her let's focus and should we do the intro from again
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Should we do the intro?
04:50 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
04:51 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_03]: We ought to do it better this time.
04:52 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we can do it better.
04:53 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm leaving all this in, but hi, I'm Mark.
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm Nicole.
04:56 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is Nevermind the Music.
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_10]: What are we going to talk about today, Mark?
05:00 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_03]: We are talking about Cardigan by Taylor Swift.
05:04 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_07]: But I knew you dancing in your leave, I was drunk under a street light.
05:12 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_07]: I knew you.
05:14 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_07]: And I know my sweatshirt baby kiss it better.
05:19 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Can I swear in season two?
05:28 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_03]: You swore in season one.
05:29 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_03]: What a fact.
05:29 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I'm just checking in, um, fucking finally.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Finally.
05:33 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So this comes from folklore, which is.
05:38 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Twenty twenty.
05:39 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
05:40 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is Taylor Swift's pandemic album.
05:43 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_03]: One of two.
05:43 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_03]: One of two.
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_03]: One of two, whatever, more being the other one.
05:46 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
05:46 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And I want to come back to the kind of pandemic thing in a few minutes.
05:50 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_03]: But this is your favorite Taylor Swift album.
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_03]: You said that online.
05:56 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_10]: I was on record saying this is my favorite Taylor Swift album.
05:59 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_10]: A slightly in the past couple of weeks self titled.
06:04 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_10]: No lovers really making a comeback for me.
06:07 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_10]: I never really got into it because when I came out like I just wasn't in an emotional place to listen to Taylor Swift, it wasn't my vibe.
06:15 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_10]: But now I'm listening to it.
06:16 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_10]: Like there's so many good songs on this.
06:18 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_10]: So I don't think it's gonna outrank.
06:22 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_10]: folklore, I really do like folklore, but lovers are close second today, if you asked me.
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, I just love it.
06:30 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_10]: I love how it's like going away from being so autobiographical and getting more like ballads about like character development, storytelling, I just think that that's cool.
06:38 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_10]: Um, I love the, uh, they have like a documentary about the making of this and she talks about a lot about her writing process and I was really intrigued by that too.
06:46 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_10]: So that's what turned me on to folklore more than any other album and just beautiful, like the songwriting's beautiful here.
06:53 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I kind of want to maybe come back to the story and the storytelling of this because I don't know much about it.
06:58 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I assume you know way more than me.
07:00 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that from a process perspective, though, it is interesting.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_03]: This was sort of that postal service type thing.
07:07 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you remember the band, the postal service, where those guys would like literally mail demos back and forth as they were recording it.
07:15 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_03]: where she was collaborating with her two main producers on this, which is Aaron Dressner, which is this song.
07:21 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_03]: He did this song, and also Jack Antonov, who did other songs on that, but, but, and obviously other records.
07:26 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_10]: They're like a power threple.
07:28 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Power threple.
07:28 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but see, I don't know how often
07:31 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Aaron and Jack work together on the song they do.
07:34 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
07:34 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
07:35 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is one of those ones where this album grew on me.
07:37 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think the first time I heard it, I was really enchanted by all the verb doubt piano and like how melod it is.
07:43 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And then like ten songs.
07:45 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, it's the same verb doubt piano.
07:48 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll actually come back to that.
07:49 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_03]: But I do really think the songwriting is really good on this album.
07:52 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I was initially drawn to more of the, like, dancey, fun side of Taylor Swift.
07:58 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say, like, two of my favorite songs by her would be, like, style from nominated nine, because it sounds like a Quincy Jones, like, early eighties thing, and then state of grace from red, for example.
08:08 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So way more epic way more fun.
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_10]: You seem like a red guy.
08:12 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I like red.
08:12 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
08:12 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I read is interesting one because at the time I completely was ignoring it.
08:17 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I didn't I was like trouble or whatever.
08:19 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It sounded like sort of pop star trying to be influenced by pop punk.
08:23 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
08:23 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
08:23 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_03]: But like going back.
08:24 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_03]: There's some cool songs on that.
08:25 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_10]: We thought we were too cool.
08:27 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_10]: So be listening to Taylor Swift when these albums came out.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
08:30 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And we were.
08:30 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_03]: We were wrong.
08:32 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_03]: We were wrong.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm million percent wrong.
08:34 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I still listen like because obviously folks heard them all now with my daughter.
08:39 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I still look back in some of the first ones.
08:41 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, there's good song with that, but I probably was right to not be super into her in the first album.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It was not for me.
08:48 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds like good country pop and that's fine.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like country.
08:52 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Part of me wanted to do like style or something to talk about.
08:55 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, this is a win for Nicole.
08:58 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, look, we're going to do something from folklore.
09:01 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think this is a great song.
09:03 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is one of her better songs.
09:05 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_03]: This is actually not my favorite song on folklore.
09:10 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_10]: It is not my favorite song on folklore.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_03]: What's yours?
09:13 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_10]: I like peace a lot.
09:14 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_10]: Peace.
09:22 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_07]: What is it about it?
09:30 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_10]: Um, it's about her, how I interpret it.
09:34 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_10]: It's about her and her fame and saying like,
09:39 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Even if you love me, can you love and can you stand like the frenzy that I bring wherever I go?
09:45 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_10]: I'll never bring you peace.
09:47 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_10]: You'll never gonna have that with me.
09:49 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_10]: If you're with me, it's always gonna be people trying to take our picture, people following us around everywhere we go, and are you ever gonna be okay with that?
09:58 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_10]: I can never promise that to you.
09:59 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_10]: And she's writing that to her old boyfriend.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, well, that's, they wrote this album together in some capacity.
10:07 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_10]: But now I listen to that and I think about her and Travis Kelsey.
10:11 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_10]: And she was so for Lauren and that song, saying, like, I'm never going to bring you peace, like, no matter what happens, it'll never be rustful when you're with me.
10:18 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_10]: And now she's with him.
10:19 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_10]: And he seems super into
10:21 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_10]: that vibe and it just makes me feel happy for her to listen to that song now because she was so remorseful when she wrote it towards her old boyfriend and now it seems like it all worked out for her so I don't know I just and I just just a beautiful song just really well written and lyrically it's really nice and
10:40 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll also Travis Kelsey's a Super Bowl losing tight-end.
10:43 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to Super Bowl this week.
10:45 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you just say Travis Kelsey?
10:49 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_03]: No, Travis Kelsey has won several Super Bowl, but most recently listeners, lost bad to the Eagles, go Eagles from this Bostonian here.
10:58 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my God.
10:58 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.
10:59 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't even know.
10:59 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, do you not even know that Travis Kelsey's a football player?
11:02 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Kidding me.
11:03 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
11:04 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_09]: Do I not even know?
11:05 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
11:06 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_09]: So all I know about football is through travel.
11:08 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
11:08 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's that.
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And you have that in common with my daughter.
11:11 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay.
11:12 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite song is Album.
11:13 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_09]: He's like the best tyrant in history, objectively.
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_03]: According to Taylor Swift, definitely.
11:18 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_10]: No, objectively.
11:19 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_10]: According to like the record books, I just heard someone on Howard Stern the other day talk about it.
11:23 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So it must be true.
11:24 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_10]: I must be true.
11:26 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_03]: You live in a place where people would argue for another recent New England Patriot.
11:32 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_03]: You're sput talking to a sandy again.
11:34 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I've got anyways.
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Are you talking about Aaron Hernandez?
11:37 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Aaron Hernandez?
11:39 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_10]: Oh yeah, grung.
11:41 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Grung is pretty good.
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I got a vote in for Antonio Gates.
11:45 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So did you listen to the podcast?
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_03]: when Taylor on his podcast.
11:49 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I listened to Taylor on his podcast and it was like, like, you know, people are like, oh, they're end game.
11:56 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, they're gonna get married and you're like, yeah, maybe it's just all for show.
11:59 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_10]: You see them together and it's like so lovely and genuine and they're like, so the way he looks at her, he's just like in awe of her and she's in awe of him.
12:09 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_10]: And then even on that podcast, they talked about like how they met and got together.
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_10]: And it just seemed like so nice.
12:18 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_10]: And she was even saying like everyone in her life was like, yeah, you have to meet him.
12:21 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_10]: He's like the best guy I've ever met, just like how could that be true.
12:25 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_10]: And then she met him and like it's just super duper genuine.
12:29 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_10]: And his brother so supportive of her and it just feels so much like family and like obsessed.
12:34 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So are the sad love songs and breakup songs going to dry up or is she going to be watching a writing songs about past boyfriends five years deep into it relationship she likes.
12:44 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
12:45 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_10]: She changed her producing team for this new album back to like a more poppy producing team like it's not Jack Anson off.
12:54 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_10]: It's Mark Marin.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_10]: Check me on that.
12:57 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Mark Marin, the comedian and host of the WTF podcast.
13:00 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_10]: There's no way it's not him.
13:04 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_10]: Look, Google it.
13:05 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, everybody.
13:05 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_03]: All of them comes out in like two weeks.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll just have to listen to it later.
13:08 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_10]: It's gonna be like a very poppy for sure.
13:13 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
13:13 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_10]: A million percent.
13:15 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So no, no folklore part.
13:17 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_10]: I think it's going to be more of like a red vibe.
13:22 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll check it out.
13:24 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
13:24 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see the the question of which version are you supposed to actually.
13:29 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember her answer.
13:30 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Apparently she one of the brothers asked her which version she wants.
13:34 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Now that because she controls the rights now.
13:36 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_03]: All of her masters, which version does she want us to all listen to.
13:41 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember?
13:42 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_10]: She even said like she said yes.
13:45 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_10]: So she said that it was really cool re-recording the stuff because she could like add hindsight to a lot of those moments and they were more like emotionally richer the re-records and she even loved the fact that a lot of the guests that like Phoebe Bridgers was on one of the albums and she referenced like even inviting them to come back and re-record how everyone was so all in to do that.
14:10 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_10]: So as she didn't mention, if she had a preference, I don't think of which album we should be listening to, but she did reference the idea that it was really a great exercise to re-record the album, so she likes the newer versions.
14:22 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_10]: She said that red was her favorite album to re-record specifically because she got to include the ten-minute version of All Too Well, and she said that's kind of her most like her one of her favorite songs that she's written in that extended format.
14:34 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
14:35 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_10]: That ten-minute version.
14:36 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_10]: because the original release only had like a four minute like radio version of it.
14:40 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So my favorite song on this album is actually not one of the singles.
14:43 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
14:43 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But it is also produced by Erin Dressner invisible string.
14:48 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, that's a great song.
14:50 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I just love this song.
14:50 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna play a clip because I knew I was gonna mention the song.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_03]: There's this cool guitar.
14:55 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't have the verb.
14:57 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_03]: piano, but it's got a guitar with a rubber bridge.
15:00 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So they replace the acoustic guitar bridge, which is the part at the bottom that the strings kind of sit into with rubber.
15:07 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And it makes it have this thin kind of warm kind of strange tone, but also just the melody is so good.
15:14 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_10]: Do you know before you play it that he sent her this track and then she wrote the lyrics based on it?
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's Cardigan also.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, most of the stuff were there.
15:24 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_10]: And it was like, I have this like, it was like okay.
15:28 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_03]: There was a phase in my life as a composer where I was writing random library music is what it's called.
15:34 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, I'll call it like gentle piano theme or like percussion backgrounds and then it gets uploaded to some server and then people like I'll still get small royalty checks that some advertiser in Tokyo or whatever is using.
15:47 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not kidding.
15:48 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's weird.
15:49 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_03]: So it feels like this album is like,
15:52 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Aaron Dresner wrote all these really cool like backgrounds and he's like, oh, send him to Taylor and now it's this hit album.
15:57 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_07]: That's exactly what happened.
15:58 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, this isn't physical string.
16:20 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_10]: It's so good.
16:21 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_10]: And now I'm gonna I actually have to take it back because you remind me of another really great song on the cell which is the one which is one of the best songs.
16:29 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_03]: The one is good.
16:30 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_03]: The first track.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
16:49 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was actually going to ask you about, because you would mention peace.
16:53 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
16:54 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_03]: But that sounds autobiographical, whereas
16:58 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_03]: You would said, and I had heard like, is it the last great American dynasty?
17:02 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_03]: She's like writing from the perspective of writing about whichever Hollywood starlight or whatever owned as a house she bought?
17:07 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, is peace about a fictional character?
17:11 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, didn't she create some characters like Betty is a created character?
17:15 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the songs still are out of my graphical though?
17:17 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, some of them still are for sure.
17:19 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, mirror ball is definitely out of my graphical, especially like in the relevance to the pandemic.
17:26 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_10]: that, you know, she is talking about how she gets so much energy from performing and she just reflects that energy back to the crowd and now in this pandemic vibe, like she doesn't have that.
17:36 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_10]: And she's kind of realizing how much she needs that and how maybe that's like not super healthy.
17:40 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_10]: So she has songs that are really introspective and really autobiographical and also there's it's like arc throughout the album that she's follows.
17:47 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_10]: Let's try out of people, Betty and James and then August, maybe I don't know.
17:53 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_10]: Ooh, they're gonna come at me for not knowing, but
17:56 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_10]: It's like this sort of teenage love that she references throughout the album, which is really beautiful.
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_10]: I think it's a great show.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_03]: We call it specific.
18:04 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_03]: People we know will listen to this and have it.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You know who you are.
18:07 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us who you are.
18:08 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us who you are.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_03]: People in our fan base.
18:09 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_03]: We love you.
18:10 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
18:10 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you tell me.
18:11 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Help me.
18:12 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So speaking of the pandemic and the sort of isolation, I wanted to ask you, is this your favorite COVID?
18:19 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a COVID album in the real sense.
18:20 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, it's informed by the experience and also the process is
18:25 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_03]: shaped, obviously, she's not sitting in a studio with these guys really, at least for most of it.
18:30 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any other COVID albums you wanted to shout out?
18:34 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't, even when I think of, I am having a really hard time like remembering COVID.
18:40 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_10]: And I know why, like I know this psychology behind that, but I know this is a COVID album because she kind of advertises it as that.
18:48 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_10]: I can't even think of other COVID albums.
18:50 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_10]: Do you know?
18:52 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_10]: I was just like the wiggles the whole time.
18:54 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_10]: I feel like losing my mind.
18:55 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, you and I have to look for a new link.
18:58 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And I had a younger kid during the COVID, which was just, yeah, my memory has been white.
19:02 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
19:03 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe that's why the album that I was going to shout out and play a clip from is a band I've talked about already.
19:08 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And it actually came out.
19:09 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost a reflection because it came out in twenty twenty three, but it's so inspired and informed by COVID.
19:15 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's almost like I have the capacity to have noticed it and pay attention to it because I wasn't still made.
19:21 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_10]: What is it?
19:22 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_03]: listening to our season one coverage.
19:26 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I am now realizing how I've mentioned this band already, like four times.
19:30 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're probably not going to get an episode, but they're going to another shout out, Nickel Creek.
19:33 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_03]: You love Nickel Creek.
19:35 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I love, you're saying it like you're making fun.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I love Nickel Creek.
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_03]: There's super good.
19:39 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Every time you say it, I see Nickel back in my head and then like that's not it is Nickel Creek and it's like folkie.
19:46 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Nickel Creek, not the same as Nickel back.
19:48 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_10]: Not the same.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_10]: Actually, probably quite different.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Quite different.
19:51 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_03]: They have an album called Celebrates, which is, I would think of it almost more of a COVID hangover.
19:57 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I actually would have played this song called Holding Pattern, which is really COVIDy, but I played that in a previous clip.
20:05 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_03]: They came up randomly when we talked, well, they came up when we talked about the concerts.
20:08 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_03]: They came up when I was talking about just like bands that are still all some past their commercial pride.
20:15 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_10]: And you discovered them when you were working on the algorithm.
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_03]: No, oh no.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so yes, thank you.
20:22 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Good memory.
20:23 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_09]: When I work for Pandora said, I want to save Pandora, but they didn't do it.
20:28 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_03]: They're sponsoring.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_03]: They're giving us a thousand dollars per listen, right?
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Pandora, right?
20:32 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_03]: No, they're not sponsoring.
20:33 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_03]: But no, I knew them.
20:36 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I actually discovered no concrete.
20:37 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_03]: This is what the people come for.
20:39 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I went to a West Coast college famous for its political activism.
20:44 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And so nobody should be surprised.
20:45 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I lived in a co-op for three years with a single house with a hundred and twenty people.
20:52 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_03]: What?
20:53 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know.
20:54 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And you had a workshop that you had to do.
20:57 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And the best workshop was cooking, which I did one year.
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And the worst workshop was the bathrooms.
21:03 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_03]: But one time my workshop was cleaning the kitchen and
21:07 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the golden era of piracy, so someone had Napstered a bunch of music and was just piping music.
21:12 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And I heard a song by Nickel Creek and was like, what is this and had to run to the server and figure out what it was?
21:18 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_03]: But I was probably mid-two thousand so before the bathroom shift must have been tough.
21:24 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_10]: I went on a date once with a guy that lived in a commune and he took me to a bookstore.
21:29 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_10]: And it was like an indie bookstore in Boston, and we saw our puppet show.
21:35 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_10]: Do make your own human compost?
21:39 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
21:40 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, you know.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a bad work shift.
21:42 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_09]: I imagine that was a date.
21:44 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I think I know where I'm going to bring this girl.
21:46 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_03]: This was in the San Francisco Bay area, and so we, someone's work shift was making hummus.
21:51 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, we had a tofu guy.
21:53 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_03]: His job was to make tofu.
21:54 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was a really good tofu.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So no human compost, we were more.
21:59 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_10]: It was the worst.
22:00 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
22:01 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, so I wanted to play a clip of a song.
22:04 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a more reflective of the reason you and I don't remember COVID very well.
22:09 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's because we were parents.
22:11 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a song called To the Airport.
22:13 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_03]: which is a really unusual and poignant tribute to airport staff and how much their job suck in that era.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's this moment where they're talking about the sort of
22:27 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very earnest like reflection on these people get us where we need to go and they they're thankless.
22:33 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's this bridge where they're commenting on a woman struggling with a bunch of kids alone in the airplane and interacting with the other people on the flight.
22:42 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just there's something about it that hits so hard having been someone with small kids in that era.
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways.
23:22 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sleepy.
23:23 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_03]: You're sleepy.
23:24 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_10]: After listening to that, it's very mellow, even though it's not under one a mellow thing.
23:27 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
23:27 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_10]: I think I just associated.
23:28 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_10]: Coverage.
23:31 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_03]: because of trauma.
23:32 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I mean, I, I think it's part of because it's beautiful and also part trauma.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I was on a run listening to that album.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_10]: Did you cry?
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And I started.
23:40 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_10]: I was crying on runs.
23:41 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I was crying.
23:43 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm freaking tired.
23:43 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, fifty minutes.
23:45 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, who knows how many miles deep and just song hits me and twenty, twenty, twenty one hits me.
23:51 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_10]: So I don't exercise.
23:53 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably stops the crying.
23:56 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, this song, card again, only number one hit from folklore.
24:01 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_10]: That's unbelievable.
24:03 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know like if some of that is COVID also.
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Was it on the radio?
24:09 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't listen to the radio, but I think it was on the radio, yeah.
24:12 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Listeners, we don't understand the charts.
24:15 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_03]: We've explained that I specifically, like I should understand the charts more than I do and I don't.
24:20 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So you, you, you're going to have to use different things.
24:23 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to excuse, I don't have it.
24:26 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_03]: What I wanted to talk about in this song specifically, Cardigan, is the rhythms of the melody and how they clarify sort of the phrase structure in the overall structure of the song and the rhythms of the piano and of Taylor herself, her singing kind of telegraph where we're going in the song.
24:46 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
24:46 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
24:46 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And I have no idea where you want to talk about aside from what we've already talked about, so I'm looking forward to it.
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_10]: Thank you all.
24:53 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's start by listening to the intro and the beginning of verse one.
24:57 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And I want you to just think about what different layers you hear, like which parts of the instruments jump out, etc.
25:21 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_10]: The first thing I hear is like a click track or something.
25:24 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Clicky clicks.
25:25 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:25 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_10]: Some clicky clicks.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll come back to our movies.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:28 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_10]: And then you started with Aaron's like verb doubt something.
25:32 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_10]: But yeah.
25:34 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
25:35 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_10]: And then the lyrics come in.
25:36 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_03]: The lyrics come in.
25:37 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:38 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Which thing jumps out?
25:39 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_03]: What's the most characteristic and almost memorable part of what we just heard?
25:49 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_10]: It's like that piano right there, like that little piano.
25:52 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Little piano riff, right?
25:53 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_03]: That kind of jumps out the most.
25:55 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So now I'm going to loop that first bar loop just just have it play.
25:59 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to kind of stress you out a little bit.
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Play that percussion in those clicky clicks.
26:03 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, tell me like what's the sensation here?
26:21 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you want?
26:22 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_10]: I want it to fucking hurry up.
26:24 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_10]: Get to where it's going to go.
26:25 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Get to where it's wants to go, right?
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So we have we have a few things going on.
26:28 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like a shaker kind of swinging on the left side.
26:31 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a woodblock kind of thing doing something we call triplets.
26:35 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_03]: There's this clapping that's kind of off beat, but we have this piano.
26:40 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's like you're diving into something and just like, let me just make the splash.
26:44 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_03]: So this piano barata is a part of the measure we just heard, but it doesn't feel like that.
26:51 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like it's a part of something that hasn't happened yet.
26:57 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Hear that, that barata is the start of something, not the end of something, even though it's at the end of a measure, we really want it to continue, which, of course, it does.
27:18 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So what I'm kind of might my thesis here at the end of a long introduction is when that little pickup, which is what we, one of the things we can call it, happens, it tells us we're about to move on.
27:32 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_03]: When it's not there, we're not moving on.
27:35 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_03]: There's sort of a choice that happens rhythmically at the end of each bar, really.
27:40 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_03]: If that is there, we're moving on, if it's not, we're not moving on.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_10]: Can I chime in something so I don't forget to say it?
28:00 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
28:01 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_10]: When you hear that line, high heels on cobblestones, what memories, does that bring up any memories for you?
28:09 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that time Taylor and I were hanging out and I think Amsterdam and she was running through the cup.
28:14 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't know.
28:15 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
28:15 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Now that you're saying that and I keep hearing those clicky clicks.
28:18 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
28:19 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_10]: It sounds like what's happening.
28:22 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like
28:25 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_03]: being glammed up in like Europe or something like that.
28:29 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_10]: So you like that's not an autobiographical memory.
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely not.
28:33 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_10]: No, I don't know what you're doing every time, you know, but for me, it's absolutely not a biographical memory.
28:39 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_10]: And I think about being in college in Boston, getting all dolled up to go to the purple shamrock or something.
28:47 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_10]: and like getting your heels stuck in the cobblestone, having like drunk girls falling over themselves.
28:52 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_10]: I think of my friend who was just in England or London, my friend that was just in London a few weeks ago that like spraying to ankle, running on high heels and cobblestones because it's pretty hard to do.
29:03 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_10]: So when she says that line, I think of all these things.
29:07 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_10]: I think of that time that we were in fanial Holland Boston and me and my then boyfriend now has been saw some girl
29:13 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_10]: that was like having a crisis moment and we stopped to help her.
29:18 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_10]: Like I think of all those things just based on that one line.
29:22 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_10]: And I think it's interesting how that can bring up so many different memories in different people that some are autobiographical and yours is not.
29:29 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_10]: That's yours is a very semantic memory that like it's a fact-based memory that is hard to walk.
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_10]: It must be hard to walk in high heels and cobblestones.
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_10]: That's what you think of.
29:40 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
29:40 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_10]: And I think of all these episodic memories that are like part of my life and my story, my history, which is just an interesting thing that I want to come back to later and I'd forget to say it.
29:50 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm thinking then, you know, and this is a lovely distraction from the line I would thought I was on, but if this track was created by a dresser and sent to her,
30:03 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Presumably, unless this was a poem she'd written, she then came up with the words after having heard the music, probably, right?
30:11 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not, but probably, is there something about the rhythmic gate of this?
30:16 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_03]: There's the clicky clicks, but even that blood, that feels like falling forward, that feels like instability, that inspired this
30:23 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the first thing that happens in the song.
30:25 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, even subconsciously, it could have inspired that, whether or not.
30:28 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I think that Taylor Swift's a mastermind for sure.
30:31 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_10]: So it may be it's all that there's all a plan for it.
30:34 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_10]: But it definitely gives that sense.
30:37 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_10]: The music gives the sense that's reflected in that lyric.
30:40 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_10]: When I think about my memories of that line, you know, that's making sense.
30:46 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Fascinating.
30:47 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Drawing our attention back to the, our little favorite piano riff here.
30:56 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_03]: That is something that belongs to what is next.
30:59 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It does not belong to what came before, right?
31:02 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_03]: What that is is something coming in early.
31:05 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_03]: We have one, two, three, four.
31:08 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Boom, boom, boom, right.
31:10 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It's attached to the next thing.
31:12 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_03]: We call this two things.
31:15 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_03]: You want the the word most people use or the word that people like me use.
31:18 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_10]: I want all of them.
31:19 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_03]: You want both.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
31:20 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_03]: So some people call this a pickup.
31:22 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
31:22 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_03]: When you come in before the bar, sometimes a song starts with this.
31:26 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_03]: The music term is an accruesus.
31:29 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like Latin doesn't it?
31:31 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_03]: A-N-A-C-R-U-O-A.
31:33 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Can't even spell.
31:34 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Can't even do it.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_03]: A-N-A-C-R-U-S-I-S.
31:37 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_03]: An excretion.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_09]: No, it sees reading the notes.
31:38 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm reading my notes to make sure I get the spelling right.
31:41 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_09]: And accrues.
31:42 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
31:43 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's an instrumental of a later part of the song where we can hear the piano doing a lot of these anacruces like octopus with a you it's with so anacruces.
31:58 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
31:58 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_03]: So take a listen to this bit.
32:17 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_10]: So it's so good without the lyrics.
32:20 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
32:20 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_10]: So like, it's got that little, like, jazzy thing happening.
32:24 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Aaron Dresner wrote his library music.
32:26 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: He thought it would be used for reality, TV, and Germany, and it's on a Taylor album.
32:31 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you could hear it keeps happening.
32:33 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_03]: But uh, uh, and then, but uh, um, right?
32:37 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes an entire song will just start with an accruesist.
32:42 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_03]: This song, we have the clicky clicks, but some other songs, the first thing we hear.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
32:52 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
32:55 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_03]: One of my, it was not one of my thoughts.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_03]: We mentioned it.
32:58 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when I saw that, I think that was before all star.
33:00 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_10]: He died recently.
33:01 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_03]: He died.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the piece.
33:03 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_10]: It was young.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but that starts with a quarter note.
33:07 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
33:07 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So the whole song starts with a quarter note, essentially measure zero.
33:11 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Some body, the body is our first beat, but some comes in before.
33:17 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
33:18 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So that is an anacrucis.
33:20 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, something that I really hate, those of you that that listened to are three-part series on music reading, will remember some of these terms, quarter notes, and all that.
33:29 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But, and if you don't remember, that's fine.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Or you didn't listen to it.
33:33 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate the traditional rules of notation.
33:37 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Get this.
33:37 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_03]: This is how stupid people like me were a couple hundred years ago and still are.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_03]: If you start a piece with a quarter note,
33:45 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_03]: The sort of like rules, traditional rules, say the last measure of the piece has to have one fewer quarter note.
33:51 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_10]: What?
33:52 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_10]: Like you have to like, you have to borrow it.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It has to be borrowed, it has to be balanced.
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you, you owe a debt.
33:58 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you start some, the last measure of the song has to then, in this case, only have three beats instead of four.
34:05 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_10]: Says who?
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Says tradition.
34:08 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't that whack though?
34:10 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Like who cares?
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That is whack.
34:11 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Like this is back in the day, but like Mozart will have seven measures in a row for a phrase instead of eight.
34:16 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like that's balanced, but yet if he starts the piece with a quarter note, he ends the piece with one fewer quarter note.
34:23 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And this rule lacks, like people don't still do that.
34:26 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
34:27 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see to smash mouth.
34:28 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see how smash mouth ends all starting.
34:30 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Do they end on three beats instead of four?
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_03]: two, three, four, one, two, three, four.
34:41 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it sort of doesn't.
34:43 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It just happens.
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
34:45 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's another.
34:46 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's another ninety is alternative song that pops in before.
34:55 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a beat in a half long.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_03]: That's one week.
34:57 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Very good ladies.
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Very naked ladies.
34:59 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Ninety ninety eight.
35:00 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_03]: How do they end?
35:01 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Do they balance the the ledger so to speak?
35:09 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Three, four, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, go on.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, they're just fading out.
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because who cares?
35:18 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the stupidest rule.
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not a good rule thing.
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_09]: I really thought you were going to have one that did.
35:24 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I would have to, like, I sure I could find a bunch of new people.
35:31 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_03]: People stop doing that a couple hundred years ago or so because it's just stupid, right?
35:34 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Who cares?
35:35 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_10]: And who's like, who are you accountable to?
35:38 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Who are they accountable to?
35:40 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the emperor of them.
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_03]: The Holy Roman Empire actually would have been accountable.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_09]: They'd be pissed.
35:45 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm always like non-gendered.
35:47 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like obviously, and we know what gender they were gonna be.
35:51 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I started to say why are you afraid to gender the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire?
35:55 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_10]: No, I started to say he, but then I started to say she, so I defaulted to they.
35:59 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_10]: It was a really quick mental acrobatic that I just did.
36:02 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_10]: And then I was like, of course, they're gonna be.
36:04 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're all the kings and emperor.
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course.
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay.
36:08 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_10]: So my, my girlfriend is a moment I'm having.
36:11 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
36:11 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I assume any time we talk about classical music, we have to bring it back to twenty twenty five.
36:15 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_10]: Or like Dr. Pepper.
36:18 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_10]: Like to just assume it's, it's, it's sorry.
36:20 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_09]: This is a sidetrack.
36:22 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not sorry at all.
36:23 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not, but just to assume like can do these little moments of micro feminism in your life.
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_10]: Like when someone says, oh, I love Dr. Pepper.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_10]: Say things like, yes, she may, she makes a great drink.
36:32 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_10]: You know,
36:33 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So you're imagining somebody imagining a person, Dr. Pepper, as a male, whereas I'm not even imagining a person, Dr. Pepper.
36:40 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, if your Dr. Pepper is like a personified, a red can, that's right.
36:45 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't had Dr. Pepper in so long.
36:47 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_09]: It's my new favorite.
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_03]: You like the prune, prune soda, huh?
36:50 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Is it a prune?
36:51 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So nice.
36:52 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I think prunes.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like prunes.
36:53 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I like Dr. Pepper.
36:54 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't treat soda much.
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_10]: And then the strawberries and cream.
36:58 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_10]: Dr. Pepper zero.
36:58 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, where's the cream?
36:59 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_10]: That's like a treat.
37:01 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
37:01 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So when I hit a soda, it's usually because I'm going all out.
37:04 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm getting like a root beer float or something.
37:06 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_10]: I love a crispy D.C.
37:08 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, D.C.
37:09 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_03]: was not big when I grew up.
37:10 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, D.C.
37:11 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't I thought you were talking about like the off-brand?
37:14 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, you like, you like, um, you like the ass coach and like wake up some days and I'm like, all I want is the day Coke and like maybe it's.
37:22 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you're dehydrated and cool.
37:24 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_09]: And you're addicted to it.
37:25 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
37:27 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_10]: That's like a huge for me problem.
37:28 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
37:29 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
37:29 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_03]: What's the worst thing could happen?
37:30 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
37:31 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
37:32 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So.
37:33 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
37:34 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, let's listen to how these pickups, these anacruces fit within the song of cardigan.
37:39 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So if we listen to this excerpt from the second verse of this song.
38:01 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to highlight how each of these bars ends with the piano doing baddada and it feels like we're pulling forward, pulling forward.
38:09 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the section, we're about to go to the chorus.
38:12 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels to me, it sounds to me that Taylor is slamming the brakes and telling us this section is over and what is she doing by doing like the most opposite rhythm possible.
38:22 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_03]: She goes dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, you know, nothing, any idea I'm conducting.
38:26 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_03]: She's watching me conduct like a music theory teacher.
38:31 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_07]: When we are young they assume we'll know nothing.
38:35 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_02]: What are those calls?
38:40 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Which is like the opposite of.
38:43 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's singing triplets.
38:44 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Quarter note triplets.
38:45 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, when you are, sorry, everybody eight notes triplets.
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_10]: Three triplets.
38:50 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's breaking the sort of rhythm.
38:52 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_03]: She's going against.
38:53 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't fit with that pickup at all.
38:56 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And that only happens at the end of the section.
38:59 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And so she's more viving with the pickups.
39:02 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_03]: throughout a section, and then if she does the triplets or long notes or other things that feel like they slam the brakes, those only happen at the end of the sections of this song.
39:13 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a really interesting rhythmic dynamic that she, she and Erin have created.
39:18 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So, and then we have almost a full bar of sort of nothing happening until the next Anna Cruces, but Ada leads us to the chorus.
39:26 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's listen to the chorus and see how that all fits in with this.
39:32 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_07]: So I wanted to pause there.
39:34 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_07]: What is she doing different?
39:39 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Can you tell?
39:41 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Really?
39:42 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_07]: It's opposite.
39:50 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_03]: opposite, what do you mean?
39:51 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, it's, it's a little bit, yeah, and she's mimicking like what the piano did at the beginning.
39:58 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_03]: She's doing the anacruc, yeah.
40:03 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_03]: She's following the piano.
40:04 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_03]: She's doing the pickup, right?
40:07 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So,
40:08 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_03]: We're pulling forward.
40:10 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_03]: The chorus, pulling forward.
40:11 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It's also probably the most catchy part of the song is that I can't sing at all.
40:16 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_10]: It's the funnest part of the song.
40:17 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really fun.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really hard though.
40:19 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a hard little doing this swing, sixteenth, on one syllable.
40:23 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_10]: To the left.
40:24 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_10]: Great singer.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Turns out, pretty good.
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So listen again and see how does this section end.
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_10]: I like get lost in her music.
40:41 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_10]: Like I just like, like tickles a part of my brain that feels so warm and comfy and like safe to me.
40:47 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_10]: All of us for some reason, this album specifically.
40:50 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know why.
40:51 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_10]: Just that happened to you.
40:52 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_10]: Do you feel like, I feel like protected when I listen to folklore.
40:56 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_10]: It's so weird.
40:57 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_10]: Am I getting to witchy?
40:59 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_10]: I am.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_10]: I am getting to folklore.
41:01 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Now witchy enough.
41:02 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
41:02 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the more house coverage in the last year with the actor.
41:05 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was on it.
41:06 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was on it.
41:09 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't experience this album during COVID.
41:11 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
41:12 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I really, I mean, I'm sure I had heard Cardigan in the one in some of the songs, but exile maybe.
41:17 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_10]: Exile so good.
41:18 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't, I didn't get to this until driving around with my kids in the last year or so, like really.
41:27 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So, do I feel protected?
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
41:31 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like music is, it's like a spell cast on me always giving me like, right?
41:36 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of which, I feel like music creates this emotional shield.
41:42 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a weapon for me.
41:43 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It's defense.
41:45 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It's this thing that kind of, I've never thought of it this way before, but whatever song is in my head, in most of the times, is a song I like.
41:54 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And that song is bring me through the day, you know, and if I'm listening actively to something and it's something my like, it's even better than that.
42:02 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_03]: So is this album specifically something I get lost in?
42:06 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I think so, but I think it's one of those like, what's the favorite hamburger you've ever had or whatever, the one I'm eating right now?
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I try to feel that way.
42:14 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_03]: which listeners makes planning a season.
42:17 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So hard because I just have these all like me like love every like email myself.
42:23 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I look in this song and figure out that chord and then three weeks later I'm like less obsessed with that artist or whatever and I'm like maybe that maybe nobody else wants to hear me talk about random.
42:32 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I think this album to like
42:35 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_10]: The fact that it is a break from her more traditionally like entirely autobiographical stuff, it gives you an escape like you wonder like what's going to happen with Betty and James like are they going to get back together like how is it all going to resolve itself and that at the time in place of when it came out during COVID like you were looking for like a different plot in the school.
42:56 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you were
42:58 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_03]: But try it.
42:58 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And TV had stopped in a lot.
43:00 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there was still TV, but new shows were slowing down.
43:02 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you needed a new fiction, right?
43:04 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
43:05 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe it was perfect.
43:06 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was too real to do a fully autobiographical album at that time.
43:09 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_03]: What I was worried we're going to do.
43:11 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't apologize.
43:12 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_03]: This is what the people, including me are here for.
43:15 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_03]: She ends with dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, the old card again.
43:19 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember the words or the tune, but triplets.
43:22 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_03]: The second part, the last part of the chorus is the triplets, which end the section, whereas she amplifies, and then the triplets bring it to a close.
43:33 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_07]: And I know my sweatshirt Baby kiss it better right And when I felt like I was I'm not caught again I'm just someone's bag
43:52 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And big surprise, this groove continues, and so her interactions with that groove continues.
43:58 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So if this is the section we could call the bridge, she's doing the vocal pickup.
44:03 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_03]: In every bar, but the section ends not on the triplets, but on long notes.
44:08 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, something that isn't the pickups.
44:10 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_03]: The pickups are only there when the song needs to push through the section.
44:14 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Take a listen.
44:18 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_07]: To kiss and cause and down town bars was all you needed.
44:26 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_07]: You drew stars around my scars.
44:36 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_10]: The lyrics are so flipping good.
44:38 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_10]: That part right there, like, I'm willing to do that.
44:41 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the bloody, no, it's like, it's beautiful.
44:44 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_10]: And it's about like vulnerability and finding acceptance in that vulnerability.
44:48 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_10]: And it's just like lovely music is lovely.
44:52 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_10]: And I'll say I've missed talking about it with you.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, this is great.
44:55 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_10]: This is great.
44:56 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, everybody.
44:58 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_10]: Mark has to go dry his eyes.
44:59 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I should go.
44:59 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's just me music music man.
45:00 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a man.
45:00 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_10]: He's a man.
45:00 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_10]: He's a man.
45:01 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't we talk about the music?
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45:25 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It all comes together in the outro.
45:27 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_03]: We have an anacrusis fest.
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_03]: A fiesta of anacrusis.
45:32 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Anacrusis.
45:33 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Every single bar we have a dot, a dot, a, a leading to, you know, it's not just beat four.
45:38 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_03]: It's for you and a leading to beat one.
45:40 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the point of a pickup.
45:51 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_03]: right?
45:52 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we get basically only the pickup plus long notes.
46:06 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So if you've been trained on the training data of the rest of this song, how would you end it?
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_03]: How would you tell us the song is over?
46:15 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_03]: What does she do?
46:16 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_03]: What's the groove that tells us we're finishing?
46:18 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... you tell me it's not that dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot that's like going what's the movie we're moving yeah is this this is it this like verse this is the end of the song so what rhythm does tailor have to sing to tell us the section is over
46:50 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And it just ends.
46:51 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_03]: What are those rhythms?
46:52 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_03]: For triplets.
46:53 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_03]: But, but, but, but, but, right, so the song, and I've said this twenty times, when we're moving forward, we emphasize data to us, and then the long notes and the triplets slow us down.
47:03 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So each section of the song is marked by this sort of anacrucis pickup pickup pickup pickup triplet, or pickup pickup pickup long note, and then the song just dissipates.
47:15 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really like get a
47:18 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_10]: clear, poppy resolution to it for me.
47:21 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_10]: Like it resolves, but I wanted to keep going.
47:24 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_10]: Like it's not, there's not like a period at the end of it for me.
47:28 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very ellipsis.
47:29 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:30 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:31 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It definitely sort of just dissipates.
47:52 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_10]: I just wanted to talk more about this idea in a lot of her music is like autobiographical memory and the fact that there are multiple types of memories.
48:01 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_10]: Like we have semantic memories that are more fact-based and autobiographical or what they call episodic memories that are more based on your lived experience.
48:13 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_10]: So, and she gives the example I gave of like walking on cobblestones and high heels.
48:18 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_10]: Like he had more fact-based semantic memories.
48:21 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_10]: And I had more autobiographical or episodic memories based on that prompt.
48:26 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_03]: The beautiful segue.
48:27 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
48:28 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_10]: So there's a lot of different, there's a lot of information, a lot of like jargon around like the different types of memory.
48:35 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_10]: But it's really interesting when you think of how your memory functions.
48:39 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_10]: I have a very good semantic memory.
48:42 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm really good at remembering facts, but I do not have a good episodic memory.
48:47 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not great at remembering the second episode we recorded in season one.
48:51 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_10]: I've like no recollection of it.
48:52 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I don't remember what season one episode two of our podcast was about.
48:58 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Ace of bass.
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
48:59 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_10]: So when I think of Ace of bass, I remember that they're like a Swedish pop band.
49:04 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_10]: I remember like their haircuts.
49:06 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_10]: Like they had funny haircuts.
49:07 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_10]: I remember that.
49:08 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_03]: One of them might be a neo-Nazi.
49:09 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you remember.
49:10 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
49:10 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_10]: But I don't remember what we discussed when we were recording.
49:14 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
49:15 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_10]: So they called it an episodic memory or an autobiographical memory.
49:20 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_10]: You're just a memory that's based on something that your lived experience and some people are really great at remembering those things.
49:26 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_10]: Some people are so good at them that they remember everything.
49:30 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_10]: Like what Tuesday, in August, twenty-eighth, twenty-eighth.
49:34 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So a semantic memory though can't be about your own lived experience.
49:38 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like something you learned.
49:40 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_10]: It's like a fact.
49:41 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_10]: But you could have, there's so many different memory models that are going to get really in the weeds if we think about these models of memory.
49:48 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_10]: But some people say that semantic memory and episodic memory are connected in a way that every time you remember the fact, you remember where you learned that fact and where you learned it is part of your lived experience.
50:03 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
50:03 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_10]: You know the facts are constant between the two of us.
50:06 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_03]: like the class or the friend that told told it to over a bar at a bar or whatever.
50:10 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_10]: And then some people even go over and say like the moment that you remember that memory is forming a new memory.
50:18 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_10]: that's overwriting the memory as static in your head.
50:21 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_10]: So now when you think of Ace of Base and that there is Swedish band, right, you'll also think of the first recording we did of them.
50:29 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_10]: And then you'll later think of this moment.
50:32 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_10]: So whenever you think of Ace of Base as a Swedish band, you'll think of me sitting in this chair.
50:36 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_10]: So they're connected.
50:37 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Some antique memories or episodic memories are both layered.
50:41 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
50:42 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Both of them are depending on what memory model you want.
50:45 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
50:45 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it like erase like an old VHS tape?
50:48 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, because it's fuzzy because it's lost its quality.
50:50 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_10]: It would be think of like when you make a new memory that is being stored someplace in your brain.
50:55 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_10]: Like there's a little guy putting in a filing cabinet somewhere.
50:58 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
51:00 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_10]: That guy's your hippocampus by the way, but whatever.
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_10]: That's a different conversation.
51:04 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_10]: So your hippocampus is like storing your memory around.
51:07 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_10]: And then when you go to retrieve it, you retrieve it with today's lens.
51:12 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_10]: It's not like statically stored in your memory.
51:15 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
51:16 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
51:16 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_10]: So you're remembering things with today's eyes, like think of and experience in your past that seemed like a great memory at the time, right?
51:25 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_10]: But when you look at it now, you get, you kind of cringe about it.
51:28 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_10]: You know, like, because you remember it today, Mark remembers, twenty-year ago, Mark's age.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Judging twenty twenty five mark.
51:34 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
51:35 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_10]: So they call that retrospective contemplation, which is what Taylor Swift does throughout all of her music, especially the song.
51:43 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_10]: When you're young, they assume you know nothing.
51:46 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_10]: It's like you're you're looking for there's part of that memory that hasn't happened yet when you experienced it.
51:53 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_10]: And that goes back to what you're talking about in this pickup situation that the memory isn't complete until you remember it with today's lens.
52:02 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_10]: Am I losing you?
52:04 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Scratching my chin, pensively, because I'm thinking about the lyrics like, when you were young, what's her perspective there, right?
52:10 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Because she's saying that they assume you know nothing.
52:14 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Are they wrong or is she in hindsight, kind of a part of them?
52:19 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Like we talked about this, speaking of my episodic experiences, recording the Paramore episode, episode one, everybody.
52:27 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_03]: We talked about how
52:29 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that song has a lot about like the mistakes of youth kind of.
52:32 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And to what extent was Haley Nicole, right?
52:37 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_10]: And that's what I remember.
52:38 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Was she the CH of her name?
52:40 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_03]: That's funny.
52:40 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
52:41 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_03]: To what extent was she also judging herself?
52:45 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what you get, right?
52:46 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Like was she a part of the judgment that she's talking about or was she separate from it?
52:50 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think
52:51 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I have that same question for this song, right?
52:55 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_03]: What extent is Taylor wagging her finger at like people really don't appreciate the wisdom you might have a young person?
53:02 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is she also saying, oh my God, they assume you know nothing and they're kind of right.
53:07 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, that's the sense I get another lyrics that song kind of hint to it.
53:11 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_10]: Like you're looking back and we think about youth as this like really romantic and formative time when we're in it.
53:18 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_10]: But now I look back at things in my youth and like, wow, I would never
53:21 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_10]: I would never do that now.
53:23 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I would never make that same choice now.
53:25 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I've changed so much.
53:26 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I would never break into T.D.
53:27 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Garden to watch the grateful dad or who it was.
53:31 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_10]: I hitchhiked around Ireland and college by myself for months.
53:34 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_10]: And now, I get anxious, like, going to the grocery store.
53:38 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_10]: And I was like getting into cars with people that didn't speak English, just like cruising around without a care in the world, you know?
53:43 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
53:43 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Youth is wasted on the young.
53:45 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_10]: I think our experience is wasted on us.
53:47 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_10]: Now we know too much.
53:49 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_10]: Right, so this idea of retrospective contemplation comes up a lot in Taylor Swift's music that now she's pulling back in the memories of her brain and her storage unit and she's remembering it with today's lens.
54:00 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_10]: It's almost like hindsight bias that we've talked about before, but more like not so kind of judgey or need to prove something just like contemplating it and thinking back to it.
54:11 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, can I just say connecting that to the music?
54:13 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_03]: There is something about Reverby piano, gentle guitar is with rubber bridges and loops, percussion and clapping.
54:23 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a dream memory like feel to this.
54:27 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_03]: What I was just looking up this album, people talk about the aesthetic of cottage core, which is not something I really knew much about, but the sort of fantastical romanticization of rural life and country living, and it's one of these things that's like a created artificial memory.
54:45 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm wondering if the layering of memory and the distortion of memory, I remember this thing from my youth running on the cobblestones, but I'm remembering it now as Taylor at the time is thirty or whatever, when she, when she made this song, and not quite young as young anymore, not dumb, eighteen-year-old up-and-coming artist, young or whatever.
55:04 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And that adds a layer, and that layer is the reverb, and that layer is the pickups, and all these things that create this dream-like state, like in a
55:14 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_03]: seventies TV show you do is augmented chords or something to create the sense of who fantasy that lost in it but now we get lost in the production and get lost in the vibiness of this song and honestly this whole album and then i think that putting this you know on the calendar of covid
55:31 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_10]: It was needed at that time.
55:33 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_10]: You wanted something you could get lost in.
55:35 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_10]: And you know, when I hear, it's like I, I lived with the characters because I listened to this so much at that time, you know, I, I think about
55:47 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_10]: James and Betty, like, they're real people and they're totally not.
55:50 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a whole lot to this that I don't know.
55:51 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_10]: There's salt with or something.
55:52 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I need to see the documentary.
55:53 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen the documentary.
55:54 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_10]: It's very, very good.
55:56 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_10]: You'd love it.
55:56 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_10]: And it goes through the album.
55:59 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, it's, they play the album and they,
56:03 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_10]: It's the whole other version of the album that they like the live performance is right.
56:07 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_10]: But it's also like intermixed with them just sitting around a fire six feet apart like drinking wine and talking about the process of writing the album like sending files to each other because they weren't together.
56:16 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_10]: And then after COVID lightened up, they got together and played through it for the first time.
56:21 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_10]: And this is what the documentary is.
56:23 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_10]: It's them like playing through it.
56:25 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_10]: And it's awesome because you can just see so much.
56:28 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_10]: the joy and musicians like being together again and like playing it together.
56:33 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, think of when you did your pop ensemble, think of when you did your pop ensemble and you had to like zoom everyone and record everyone and then you eventually got together.
56:41 --> 56:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's talking to me.
56:43 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So the ensemble.
56:45 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not even the episodic memory.
56:46 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I was I was queuing up when you were talking about this.
56:48 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I lead a college ensemble and we did a bunch of videos you can find them all on YouTube where we were doing like bedroom recordings and I was mixing them into an album and then came one semester when we were allowed to actually play together and we're on now that you watch the video and we're all on camera with masks on but we're actually playing and it was just
57:06 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_03]: A, so much less work.
57:09 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And add it.
57:10 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But so satisfying.
57:11 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I, I'm in the band that I'm in black and I'm ex-exist because of that COVID thing.
57:17 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a bunch of musicians, professional musicians that usually are way too busy with stuff that pays way better than an original sort of pop scab and was, right?
57:29 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_03]: to have their way too busy with with real real work, playing high paid gigs to ever bother, but then we were coming out of COVID and guys, let's just play.
57:38 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
57:39 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And Mark, do you want to sing?
57:39 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_03]: What do we got?
57:40 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's in it?
57:40 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I guess we're a scab man, right?
57:42 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_03]: We got trumpets.
57:42 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_03]: We got, we got stacks.
57:43 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.
57:43 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.
57:45 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_10]: And you guys are good.
57:45 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_10]: Check them out.
57:46 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's sad.
57:47 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, album, new album and coming.
57:49 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_03]: But it felt so good to play.
57:52 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And it songs and to actually get to do something with them.
57:54 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And you can see it sit in my room.
57:56 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_10]: You can see in this long pond documentary that like,
58:00 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_10]: They're just giddy.
58:02 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_10]: They're just giddy to for the three of them to like be in this room together and like Jack Antonov's like just like so into it and Aaron's so into it and it's it is joyous in a way that
58:16 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_10]: is dichotomous to what some of the songs are about like you just they're radiating just this like lovely energy of being artists together again and that's what another reason I love folklore is because of that documentary because you can release I love if you've been listening like I love the behind the scenes like thought processes stuff of it all
58:35 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_10]: And they really get into like the songwriting practices and how they piece things together and it's just really fascinating.
58:41 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_10]: And the versions of the songs on that essentially album are a lot more beautiful.
58:47 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_10]: Like they have so much more life to them.
58:49 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_10]: So.
58:50 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_10]: Wow.
58:50 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_10]: That's a lot about Taylor Swift really.
58:53 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:53 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, I think the memories, the different kinds of memories is a really interesting pun intended like layer kind of to consider when we're talking about the song.
59:02 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, and when do you think of
59:05 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_10]: how much of her work is autobiographical.
59:07 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_10]: And especially in this album, a lot of it is about adolescence.
59:11 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_10]: And like the journey of adolescence.
59:14 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_10]: This is another whole concept called the reminiscence bump that we do because so many developmental milestones happen before the age of eighteen, like most of our major developmental windows are in our adolescence.
59:26 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_10]: So we do have a reminiscence bump during that window of time that you generally have more vivid memories of high school than you do college.
59:35 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_10]: just because that's when you are mostly your brain was mostly kind of cooking and developing during that time.
59:40 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_10]: Over time your episodic memories grow and your tolerance for semantic memory fades.
59:46 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_10]: That's just a fancy way to say like when you get older it's harder to remember facts.
59:51 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_10]: Like do you remember what
59:53 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_10]: Had to find we were talking about the Pythagorean theorem in a previous episode and I was like what and you had it still I was like three day episode right about Pythagoras never thought those would go together right, but it's like you those things Go away, but your episodic memories keep growing over time
01:00:10 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to pop I already jokingly was playing some.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Smash, smash mouth in all that at the beginning.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not the first person to highlight the iconic opening Occupella moments of of nineties alternative.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_03]: But here's a few other other famous and amazing and accrucies.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know that sign at all.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't know, okay, this is ninety- ninety-one diamonds and pearls.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it prints?
01:00:51 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_10]: It's not, I know it's prints, but I never.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Prints in the new power generation.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the band of that era.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't know this sign?
01:00:57 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_10]: No, I never really got into prints.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't matter.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, sure, that's fine.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: But like we have, this is a, this was a very popular song when we were under ten or whatever, but that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a
01:01:22 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a massive, the most catchy thing really is that pick up.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And if we get to the chorus, it happens again, but it's even more rhythmically disrupted because it starts with a three, four bar, so Prince is getting all fancy here.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, so take a listen, take a listen.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I know this song.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_10]: Prince is really good, huh?
01:02:02 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you, you know that song, right?
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_10]: I know that song, yeah.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a song.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So, but.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_03]: the all that if I give you all that stuff is coming before the bar.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And shout out to Rosie Gaines is the backing vocalist.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_03]: We talked about in our time after time, Cindy Lopper episode.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_03]: He's like prominent eighties backing vocal parts.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_03]: She was a member of the new power generation.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not an eighties example.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of sounds like.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I know it's kind of like the Labyrinth soundtrack for sure.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's kind of ninety one, but ninety one had a lot of eighties doing it.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_10]: I love it.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_03]: A couple more examples.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's one you've probably heard before.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_10]: Justin Bieber and that other guy.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not the Beam's version though.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually just Liz Fanzi and Daddy Yankee.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_03]: The Beam's was added later.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just going to say Justin Bieber.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_03]: You're just going to, you're going to give him.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_10]: I have Bieber fever.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_03]: We can do a sidetrack about appropriation.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_03]: But Bieber probably is the most important credited artist for any rig at home, right?
01:03:15 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: He invented the genre right in the early two thousands.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Justin Bieber.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when it was like six.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So Justin Bieber, of course, you know, when that song became as huge as it was in Estados, who need us, it was because of Bieber renext.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_03]: But.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Bieber fever.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is an interesting example of a pickup though, because.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: The song is in too.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually an entire bar.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_03]: De, spa, cito, but it feels like it's the end of the previous phrase, but it's starting the new phrase.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:47 [SPEAKER_03]: We end on the beginning.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like an anacrisis, even though technically it starts on B-One.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you listen, it's just as extreme if we go to the Daddy Yankee rap later.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Like everything is starting almost an entire ball before it's supposed to.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_10]: And he's doing the same thing that Taylor Swift does in Cardigan and like balancing it, like finding a balance, like pick up, pick up, pick up, pick it long or not.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, totally, you're right.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_10]: Say that again.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm right.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Say, you're right.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to write it down.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doesn't just can be written sounds so good, wrapping and Spanish.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm hearing new musical genius.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So I know I don't want to harp with two of the examples, but I've got a couple more examples.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you have a couple more examples?
01:04:41 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_10]: Go for it.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's out later.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did it out later.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to want to edit this out.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_07]: What did you think I'd say to that?
01:05:03 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_07]: Does the school be in sting when fighting back?
01:05:07 --> 01:05:09 [SPEAKER_07]: They strike the kill.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_10]: Another great unknown artist.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_10]: Taylor Swift again.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:15 [SPEAKER_10]: Taylor Swift.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Which album?
01:05:16 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Folklore.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Same album.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:05:18 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Written by her and Aaron Dresner again.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_03]: They're out there awesome.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're doing the pickups.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody heard the Ando one, two and three.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And the vocals mirror it sometimes, but we have this nice pickup in the piano every single bar, right?
01:05:38 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_10]: What's this band the next one?
01:05:39 --> 01:05:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Bad one by the way.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_10]: Bad one and so good.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_10]: The national, right?
01:05:42 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Is he the national?
01:05:43 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a little vibe here on this album, right?
01:05:46 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_03]: There's another example.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Please picture me in the trees.
01:05:56 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_06]: I had my big, good seven feet.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Can I say something controversial?
01:06:13 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_03]: about seven from folklore also.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_10]: My least favorite song of album.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that song.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:19 [SPEAKER_03]: It's beautiful.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:19 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just beautiful.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm ready to get to the next one after this one.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't latch on.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what she's thinking about.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It is beautiful.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_03]: But and for and every single bar has a pickup.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_10]: She is formulaic.
01:06:30 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, she is in her lyrics and how she likes.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It's also possible that there's a vibe in a formula that Dresner was doing in these back in tracks because it's the piano that's leading the charge here.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_03]: One more example.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Spoiler.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_03]: There's another Taylor Swift song.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 [SPEAKER_10]: Is that on folklore too?
01:07:08 --> 01:07:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a Forty and a one.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:15 [SPEAKER_03]: That is another tail-swift in Aaron Dresden collaboration.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's on, that's Cassandra.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is on tortured poets.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, wow.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And remember when we talked about tortured poets, I was like, how do this sounds like midnight besides and half of it sounds like folklore never on these sides?
01:07:27 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_10]: And this is only the second half which is way more folkloric.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It is.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Evermoreian.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Evermore has less of this by the way.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:36 [SPEAKER_03]: There's something about evermore.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_03]: that the vibe is a little bit different.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_10]: I have nothing to have more yet.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_10]: I haven't dug into it.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I've listened to it here and there, but I haven't like sat down.
01:07:47 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_10]: I feel like I'm saving it.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Hop in the car when we're on a way to camp, summer camp or whatever, or school.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You'll hear it.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:07:54 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_10]: That's on your family favorite right now.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:57 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
01:07:57 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_03]: They're on favorites.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:00 [SPEAKER_03]: We just started the beginning and we'll get to the end.
01:08:00 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_03]: We go back to the end.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, eventually.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_03]: These folks will come up later.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Eventually, I just recently, we're listening to Hime, daughter.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so don't go home.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_10]: Do you want to go see them in the fall?
01:08:11 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_10]: They're coming to Boston.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Around the time that this episode will air there and I have a tab opened.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:19 [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm rolling it over.
01:08:19 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm like, oh, do I have to bring the whole family?
01:08:20 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be expensive.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think I should just go like, it can just write it off.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It off.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So we do that.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So we, I think we can do that.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_10]: Are we a business?
01:08:29 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I look, I already should do that.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a professional musician, but I don't know what I do.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I hate dealing with stuff like that.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_10]: I want to talk.
01:08:37 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I should be, I should have written off the microphones, the studio stuff you're looking at.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Like all of it.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Like my gas to get here.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Remember in that ace of base episode episode two of season one when I realize that in every one of their hits, they abruptly change from major to minor.
01:08:55 --> 01:08:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I crack their code.
01:08:56 --> 01:09:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of feel like I cracked the Dresner Taylor code like they have these
01:09:02 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Even when there's no vibey panel part, there's a pickup, and it's kind of pentatonic e-mellities, usually.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And even if you look at some of the other songs, the Boni Verre, collaborations like X Island, and then evermore, it's kind of happening to those start kind of in the middle of the bar, so it's a little more like Despacito E. It almost works, so I'm not quite an accountant, but
01:09:24 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:31 [SPEAKER_10]: I do think though that the Taylor dress nurse song writing style is very formulaic and I don't mind.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_10]: A lot of people like give Taylor Swift like shit.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:39 [SPEAKER_10]: Sorry for my language listeners, but they give her shit that like her songs are all the same.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_10]: They all sound the same.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:44 [SPEAKER_10]: It like goes chorus, chorus, bridge, chorus, you know, it's like pop music though.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, for sure.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_10]: So I think that we can let slide because it works.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:50 [SPEAKER_10]: It's not like it's a formula that doesn't work.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_10]: It's a formula that works so they keep doing it, which is great.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's their style.
01:09:55 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so can I add a chapter to the is a hot dog, a sandwich is cereal soup conversation?
01:10:02 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Is a cardigan?
01:10:03 --> 01:10:04 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: A sweater or a jacket?
01:10:07 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_10]: It's sweater.
01:10:09 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_10]: No question because they have other things they've called, um, but it has the form of a jacket.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:16 [SPEAKER_10]: No, because they have something that's called to shack it.
01:10:17 --> 01:10:17 [SPEAKER_10]: A sweater jacket.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_03]: You now you're inventing news.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I didn't invent them.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:22 [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't.
01:10:22 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_09]: It's not swear.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a swear jacket.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a swear jacket.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Not a swear.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:28 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't make the rules.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So a cardigan just qualifies as a sweater.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a sweater.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_09]: It's a button up sweater.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_03]: button up, doesn't imply it, right?
01:10:34 --> 01:10:37 [SPEAKER_03]: A button up, dress shirt is not a jacket.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, all right.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But you wear a cardigan over, I don't know, I don't wear cardigans.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_03]: You should.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I should.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:45 [SPEAKER_03]: What I looked open and cardigan in front of my classes.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_09]: You had to get the patches.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm wearing, what am I wearing right now?
01:10:48 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm wearing a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
01:11:03 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_03]: We can promise.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_03]: We will never again talk about Taylor Swift.
01:11:06 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that?
01:11:07 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Are we making that promise?
01:11:08 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_10]: I can't.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_10]: I can't.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:12 [SPEAKER_10]: Now that the floodgates are open, there's so much we can talk about.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:12 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're just doing.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Next week.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_10]: We're on.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:16 [SPEAKER_10]: We didn't talk about.
01:11:16 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_10]: The courtings.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one day.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have to see what happens.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:22 [SPEAKER_10]: And like her and Travis Kelsey.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:25 [SPEAKER_10]: And game is their missing album somewhere.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_10]: When's the new album coming out?
01:11:28 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_10]: She's got a release it soon.
01:11:32 --> 01:11:33 [SPEAKER_10]: her for her contract.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_10]: They're so much.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:35 [SPEAKER_10]: You don't even know.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just rendered speechless.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:38 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we got to leave it there.
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