Is it flutist or flautist? Would you want to know the setlist before you see the concert? What’s going to be our hosts next side-hustle? It’s Season 2 and time for listener questions! See you next week for our next regular episode!
Music heard in this episode: Fiona Apple - “Paper Bag”, Less Than Jake - “Hows My Driving, Doug Hastings?”, Taylor Swift - “Wood”, Taylor Swift - “Wi$h Li$t”, Taylor Swift - “Fifteen”, Drive Shaft - “You All Everybody”, Bob Welch - “Ebony Eyes”, The Clash - “White Riot”, The Clash - “Train in Vain”, Seal - “Colours”, Seal - “Still Love Remains”, Bruno Mars - “When I Was Your Man”
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00:00 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that the whole thesis of, and then we'll move on, the whole thesis of life of a show girl is Taylor's most happy now.
00:08 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_03]: She's feeling fulfilled and she loves Travis Kelsey, and he's got a big dick.
00:13 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_03]: That's like the drink away.
00:14 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She wishes she was like us in every other way.
00:19 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she wants to like make chili in a crock pot.
00:23 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
00:24 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she wants a traditional life.
00:26 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to be a trad wife.
00:27 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to convince my family, but let me do that for a while, but they say, it can't suck.
00:31 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little anti-feminist Nicole.
00:33 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to like bake a pie and vacuum it up.
00:36 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_03]: A-line dress.
00:48 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I'm Mark and I'm Nicole and this is Nevermind the Music.
00:52 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_01]: What are we talking about today, Mark?
00:54 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The people's questions.
00:55 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the people.
00:57 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This is our first mailbag episode for season two.
01:01 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say it feels like it's been a long time since we've done one of these.
01:06 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I think so too.
01:07 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when I look at some of the questions, thank you everybody for submitting questions.
01:11 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: All of these came in after season two starts and when I see something that came in September, I'm like, oh my gosh, this feels like a million years ago in that episode dropped.
01:19 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:20 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_03]: We've aged six years in the short period of time.
01:23 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's also been a lot of podcasting like it.
01:25 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So much.
01:25 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been doing our podcast.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus you're doing blurbets.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing it.
01:29 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in the dairy.
01:30 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:30 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we've taken over the large hounds.
01:32 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Where are the lower hounds now?
01:34 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I also dropped a single people, did you just hear an ad for that single at the beginning of our episode, everybody?
01:39 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's supposed to be playing.
01:41 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be playing.
01:42 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I hear it sometimes, it's not awesome.
01:44 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_03]: So your album is coming out soon.
01:45 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the album itself, not until April.
01:48 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what?
01:48 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing the, it's done.
01:50 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's done.
01:51 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We're waiting on album art, but it's done.
01:53 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're just doing a single every few weeks.
01:56 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I have.
01:57 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Build, you know, what's really not my style, but I'm trying
02:03 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: creating really stupid social media videos like kind of stuff.
02:07 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to doing like absurd 15 seconds of music related content to drop on the TikTok.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_03]: They say that you're supposed to post 10 times a day.
02:16 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to happen.
02:16 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_03]: It's wild.
02:17 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But we might have won once a day or the other day or something.
02:20 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot, though.
02:21 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot, especially for people that like me, I don't do that at all, right?
02:25 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I can start with a sub on our feed.
02:27 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
02:28 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not really great at social media.
02:30 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not the right generation.
02:31 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a wrong, the wrong half.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_03]: We have our skill set.
02:34 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
02:36 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, if you're detecting malaise, we are in finals right now.
02:42 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had a
02:44 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: a concert this week and had to attend like four and Nicole's grading a bunch of papers.
02:49 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So so what a great time to stop doing that.
02:52 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
02:53 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Check out your feedback.
02:54 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Just FYI if halfway through I start wondering and accusing some of you of using AI to generate your feedback.
03:02 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't blame me.
03:02 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's I've been conditioned classically by the by the students.
03:07 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We will do another one of these feedback episodes a little later.
03:10 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: How can people get involved if they want us to answer their burning questions?
03:14 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a really great question in and of itself, Mark.
03:17 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_03]: You can send us an email at nevermusicpod at gmail.com or post on the lorehounds discord.
03:25 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a channel over there and it's a really great place to have a real time conversation with Mark and I and other community members.
03:34 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, head over to thelorhounds.com and there's a link, I'm not going to read a link on me the proverbial air, but yeah, you can get the link and join the discord and talk shows, TV shows, movies, books also, never mind the music.
03:49 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say though, if you really, really, really want to guarantee you'll get on emails better.
03:53 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Email the best because the discord stuff I do, I do come through the discord and put those comments in, but there's a lot of them.
03:59 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes on it, there's something, I'm not going to miss your well thought out 20 early 21st century email.
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we want voicemails from people?
04:09 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We could do voicemails.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of fun.
04:10 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an audio format.
04:12 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
04:12 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The only voicemail we've ever got was from Mark S, my former van mate, but yeah, feel free to send us
04:19 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the first bit of feedback is from Mike W on Discord.
04:23 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_03]: He wrote in, in November, thanking us for including other music heard in the show notes.
04:29 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_03]: He says, I had a mental note to go back and listen to the song in last week's side track episode and was preparing to listen back carefully to try to catch when it was mentioned.
04:38 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_03]: But there it was right there in the notes.
04:40 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_03]: It was Janelle Monais, crazy, classic life, by the way.
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm now a fan.
04:45 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
04:45 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to put that in there because I just don't know that people even know that that's a part of it.
04:51 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to the episode description at the bottom, I put in what the music that I play is.
04:57 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And usually we call something out.
04:59 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's an example where like in that episode, that was the episode about Hope Punk with Alicia.
05:04 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about Janelle Monet, but it's only a later that I picked a song.
05:08 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So like normally I would just say, oh yeah, this is Janelle Monet's crazy classic life, but when we recorded, I didn't know that's the song I was gonna use.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
05:16 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're here something that you like or that you hate and you wanna dedicate your life to making sure nobody listens to that artist again, please don't do that.
05:25 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The name of the artist and the song is in the episode description.
05:30 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_03]: You're great, that's like really great to do.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I try it's my public service.
05:34 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's really working.
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, it's also really helpful though.
05:37 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_03]: For like copyright?
05:39 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
05:39 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_03]: For copyright?
05:40 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: What about copyright?
05:41 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
05:42 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, people are coming after it.
05:43 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a q-sheet, right?
05:45 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: If someone uses my music in a film, they have to submit a q-sheet to the royalty people and then they know to pay me.
05:50 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: No, um, it's, uh, we're actually going to talk about copyright.
05:53 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for your time coming.
05:55 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: A few episodes.
05:57 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, full of time coming.
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to record that one.
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll probably come out in February.
06:01 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to do it next month.
06:03 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So,
06:04 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's so that when I'm prepping an episode, I can see if I've already talked about a song.
06:09 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, bye.
06:10 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can like search our episode descriptions and be like, oh, I've got this awesome major chord idea, and I'm like, oh crap, I already used that Taylor Swift song.
06:18 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to choose another Taylor Swift song for this feedback.
06:20 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, do you think we'll ever run out of songs to talk about, or psychological concepts to talk about?
06:26 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think we're gonna, I don't think we'll ever run out.
06:30 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have to say that's what I will say.
06:33 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing that has me a little more as scared about the season two format where we're not recording at all in advance is last year when we did season one, I had all basically a whole year between recording new episodes, except for mailbox and stuff to get ideas for new songs.
06:51 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I had this huge pile ready when we're like, let's start season two.
06:54 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got your next 25 episodes covered, not planned, but like I've got that ideas.
07:00 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm always a month ahead of the listeners, like, will my brain turn off the desire to get new?
07:07 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to still have, like, we've already talked about what a season three look like if there's no uninterrupted.
07:13 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, there's no break for us.
07:14 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So how am I going to make sure that I don't?
07:18 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The songs are out there, but I have to give myself brain space.
07:22 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you have to give your brains, but even last time, you were like, hey, let's do an episode of spoiler.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Shaggy.
07:28 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of us thought we got a shaggy episode coming.
07:31 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of us thought we would do shaggy, but you got the idea.
07:33 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do shaggy.
07:34 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm like, by gosh, let's do shaggy, right?
07:37 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas if we were, if we hadn't had that nine months, or whatever, we were recording any new podcasts, maybe you wouldn't have got the crazy idea to do shaggy.
07:46 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll remind you of something you said in a previous episode about creativity, that when you were younger, you were scared that if you,
07:54 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Let an idea go, or put it on the back burner to work on something else you were scared that you wouldn't be able to get that idea back.
08:01 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And you found trust in your creative process as you got older, the ideas will always come, you'll always get them back.
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll just remind you of the same thing I made.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This is funny.
08:09 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the backwards of that.
08:10 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like if I never stop while I be able to, whereas what I was talking about before was if I stopped too long will I get it back.
08:16 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.
08:17 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers on that note.
08:19 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep going with the feedback, where we're eight minutes or so deep or something.
08:23 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't even read more than one.
08:25 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
08:25 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This is from Joe Herbers.
08:27 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: While I appreciate rough first albums, Metallica, Mega Death, Def Leopard, Nirvana.
08:32 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I find the second albums are often the right amount of polished, but not too much, and they end up being my favorites.
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So this was back in September.
08:39 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if this is about the Nirvana because we talked Lithium and that was
08:45 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Nevermind, and I misspoke the word of their besides album, I said, insecticide instead of incesticide, but nevermind, very famously their biggest album and a second album.
08:57 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So this prompts the question, like, are there any second albums that you want to shout out as being just awesome?
09:04 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just, if we can even get one, one rep per each of us.
09:08 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
09:09 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_01]: A second album.
09:11 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you got?
09:11 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Fiona Apple's second album was better than move.
09:16 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that title?
09:17 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Title was the first album.
09:19 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Her second album was when the pun dot dot dot.
09:23 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but it isn't Fiona Apple, like arguably like every album is her best at like she, it depends.
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: She's talking ahead.
09:29 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're saying when the pond,
09:31 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_03]: when the pun like chess, but it's like a long time of the party.
09:35 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a million.
09:36 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's the thing and no one knows it.
09:38 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Because everyone's like obsessed with time.
09:39 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have just great criminal on it.
09:41 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:41 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on, put a ludo love, put me in my bomb He said it's all in your head And I said so's everything but he didn't get it I thought he was a man but he was just a little boy I'm got hurts and I want him So bad all we kill is cause I'm not
10:02 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_03]: But like this second album was very good and more refined in my opinion.
10:06 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
10:07 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's my example.
10:07 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you got?
10:08 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'll shout one out.
10:10 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Less than Jake.
10:11 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
10:11 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that this goes back for me back to high school, the Scott Punk thing.
10:15 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: First album, Pescore, some great songs, but man, that second album still might be my favorite.
10:19 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called losing streak.
10:20 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of what this is is the second album you get.
10:24 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes more of a real producer you get.
10:27 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes labels support that is positive maybe without, I think there's sort of two ways to look at it, right?
10:33 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Oftentimes the first album, people say, oh, the debut is where you've got all your best songs and stuff, because you've had five years, like, okay, my band, Slacademix is releasing an album in a few months.
10:44 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of those songs go back three years ago, I wrote them, right?
10:47 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if we do a second album and it's next year, let's say,
10:51 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I really going to write as good songs in the six months forcing it before a second album?
10:55 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So some people say the songwriting can be worse in album too.
10:59 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But assuming that's not true, oftentimes the production and the kind of feel of the band stabilizes like a second season of a comedy show.
11:08 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the second season of the office is so much better than the first season of the office, because they figure out what they're doing.
11:14 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And so less than Jake is a good example.
11:16 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Scott Punk band had a lot of good ideas in their EPs and in their first record, but it's that second album, losing streak, were just things just come together.
11:36 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_04]: If I fail, feel it kind of weird Think it's a nice deal But good, I'm not going up like this This is man, I'm all I've got
11:45 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But like even like what Joe Herber is talking about, you tell me if this is true, if this holds true for the Fiona Apple record, because I haven't heard that one.
11:53 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the recording in the production is really cool and analoggy and polished in that second lesson, Jake, but in my opinion, the third one is a little too, like pro-toolsie, a little too like crispy and perfect sounding.
12:07 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: there's a sweet spot there.
12:08 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
12:09 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they backed off a little bit honestly there they're follow up albums.
12:12 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They're 4, 5 more a little more natural sounding again.
12:15 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
12:15 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
12:16 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I think too like with the sophomore album, it can have a little bit more creativity than the first album because the first album was usually just made to be very polished and very like radio friendly and like to make hits.
12:27 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And then the second album, the artist has proven themselves a little bit and can kind of wander more creatively.
12:33 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny, because we just did the sidetrack with David, right?
12:38 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Talking about generational.
12:39 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: General, yeah, I'm like style evolving and how more importantly to the point reason I'm mentioning it, the arbitrary limits and dates that were chosen for that uh, theorem that we kind of rejected.
12:51 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:52 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The same is true here, right?
12:53 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can cherry pick scientifically a bunch of first albums that exactly are what you said where you're chasing hits.
12:58 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I can think of second albums where they're just chasing hits.
13:03 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So in other words, Joe Herbert has some good points that applies to exactly 20% of all fans and the other 80% have a different.
13:10 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're offering a lot of confirmation bias, be like, oh, yeah, 100%.
13:13 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But we've shouted out two artists in which that might be true.
13:16 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
13:17 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
13:17 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Next bit of feedback from two kids, two dogs on discord.
13:21 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's Nancy.
13:22 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_03]: That's Nancy.
13:23 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been working with Nancy on the pluribus podcast on the just on the
13:31 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_03]: A hey in Nicole and Mark loved your Taylor Swift episode, long wait was worth it.
13:37 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I went to the movie premiere and had a great time with my cousins in fellow Swifties.
13:41 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_03]: We were at the early show, so there were lots of people in my age because we can't stay up late.
13:46 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_03]: The vibe in the theater was electric, and the whole complex was filled with people ready to celebrate the new album.
13:52 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen online people who are grumpy about all of this, I say take a pill,
13:56 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_03]: That a great idea to allow folks to get together and hear Taylor describe her own words and the meaning of each song.
14:03 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the album.
14:04 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_03]: The majority of it is so upbeat and happy and why shouldn't it be?
14:08 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_03]: She's obviously happy and feeling very sexy and turned on by her fiance.
14:13 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen people complain that it's not like poets or folklor my favorite album, but why does it have to be?
14:19 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_03]: would the same people complain that she wasn't changing her music if was the same as two albums?
14:25 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously it has to also do with the producers.
14:27 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_03]: They have a more pop vibe.
14:28 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, thank you for your discussion about the impact producers have in a recent male bag episode.
14:35 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I was always curious about that.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_03]: So for me, a very big thumbs up.
14:39 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thanks, Dancy.
14:41 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_03]: As usual, I agree with you.
14:43 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about Taylor Swift's new album, The Life of a Showgirl.
14:48 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And the lyric video that, uh, the lyrics for a week or two that I'd utter in my life went to.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they go?
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go to it.
14:56 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't even go.
14:57 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, your daughter's moved on a little bit, right?
14:59 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_03]: She actually had moved on.
15:00 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't like tortured poets.
15:02 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_03]: She was like, over Taylor Swift.
15:03 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_03]: She loves this album.
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:05 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_03]: loves it.
15:05 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think let's talk about two things here.
15:09 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that, the idea of that movie?
15:13 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's essentially like, yeah, like a lyric video with, with I think the full video for Fate of Aphelia, but then like little, couple minute blurbs explaining that the song is about Kelsey's penis, that kind of stuff, right?
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I pretty sure that's what she said, right?
15:27 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That song would.
15:29 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty clear.
15:30 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think?
15:33 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a cynical thing?
15:34 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it cool?
15:35 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Go for it if people want to see it.
15:36 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, I'm not here to yuck anybody's young.
15:39 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that if people are into that, that's great.
15:42 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Like go and enjoy it.
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I love behind the scene stuff.
15:45 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I love hearing artists' perspectives.
15:48 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's money to be made.
15:50 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And might as well get that bag, you know?
15:53 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor Swift.
15:54 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
15:54 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_03]: People are going to pay money to see it.
15:55 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_03]: So why not give the people what they want?
15:58 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that her fandom is such that they want to be together.
16:01 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_03]: They want to be a community and having an album from here in a movie theater gives folks in a fandom space to connect and the Swifties love connecting with each other.
16:12 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of a core memory too.
16:13 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
16:14 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, and not everyone can afford to see a concert because they're so expensive, especially hers, right?
16:20 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a way to scratch that edge and kind of help build access to like a first person artist perspective.
16:31 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:31 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I think about that.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you.
16:35 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is cynical and capitalistic and money grubbing and
16:40 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: that's okay.
16:41 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: If people want to do it, you know, you don't have to see it.
16:44 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not like I feel like I would feel differently if this weren't the realm of streaming.
16:49 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We've listened to that album a million times and did not have to directly pay for it.
16:54 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:55 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I bought that the record for my daughter and then she bought a movie ticket the next day and I'm like,
17:01 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If that's a satisfying thing for them to do and get to see a little tailor and feel a little cool.
17:07 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
17:07 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a problem with it, but it's also cynical.
17:10 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it is, it is a cash grab and okay.
17:13 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And another thing that she's, she typically does and this album is no exception, like multiple versions of the album with different art and different, like, pressings of vinyl, like,
17:23 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
17:24 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And people are buying them.
17:25 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna.
17:27 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And with streaming, you have to make money somehow.
17:30 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a way to do it is to commodify your art in a way that's different from just listening to it.
17:36 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you want to token in a piece of something is merchandise.
17:40 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's how she's choosing to do it.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's innovative.
17:44 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And there you go.
17:46 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an innovative approach.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: feedback is like the album.
17:53 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you like it?
17:53 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And you probably love it.
17:55 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to know, like, I want to just first just adjudicate how much we want to talk about it.
17:59 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, I was sort of, we're doing a Grammy episode in a month, everybody.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, she's not nominated.
18:04 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not.
18:04 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like assuming, like, because people,
18:07 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy and others were like are you gonna talk about the new Taylor and I just sort of assumed we would come Grammys because she's high enough profile so probably get the nod and that album came out like a couple weeks after the deadline for this cycle and so we're if we talk about that album It's gonna be over a year after it came out in February 2027 is when that Grammy awards if it gets nominated
18:33 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And well, so she might have another album out by that, which is crazy.
18:38 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think we should talk about the album right now a little bit maybe just a little bit because we got we got six page feedback here first question to you quick binary question.
18:48 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you like the album yes or no.
18:49 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes same here.
18:51 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't at first.
18:52 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_03]: My first listen, I was like, what is this?
18:54 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it, where's folklore, where's tortured poets?
18:56 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I was what Nancy was here.
18:58 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You were in sync.
18:59 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: To really like tortured poets, right?
19:01 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I have grown, but every album, and that's the thing.
19:03 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_03]: When I first heard tortured poets, I didn't like that either.
19:06 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_03]: It took me like five or six lessons.
19:07 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think in today's society, the way we consume music,
19:11 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_03]: We give it one listen and we make a judgment and reviews are out the next day if it's a good album or bad album and the court of public opinion decides and everyone moves on to the next thing and I don't like that.
19:22 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's worth sitting on for a little bit and listening to it for a while and then like making a decision.
19:29 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why you should listen to the new slacker.
19:31 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a single of this dance multiple times per day to a lot to get a a strong opinion you can trust.
19:44 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the first listen isn't gonna do it.
19:46 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_03]: You need to like deep dive, right?
19:47 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So after a few deep dives, I grew to really like this album.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I like that it short.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I like that it's quick and poppy.
19:55 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_03]: There are some songs I do skip on it, but for the most part, I think it's a great album.
20:02 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
20:03 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So I also like it.
20:04 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a return to form.
20:06 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that's that sounds qualitative.
20:09 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a return to like more in 1989.
20:12 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like got a little bit of the vibiness of midnight or the first half of tortured poets, but more dance poppy.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:20 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that.
20:20 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But I like folklore too, you know.
20:22 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that there's a comforting to kind of having a banger kind of beat on her songs again.
20:29 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: What's your favorite song on the album?
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably would.
20:31 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the penis one.
20:32 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know everybody says, oh, it's about Travis Kelsey.
20:34 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's fundamentally, it's like the, you know, the impression that I get the Boston song.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the knock on wood thing.
20:40 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:40 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an illusion.
20:41 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, I know people that like won't, I've heard of people like I won't play that song for my kids.
20:45 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my kids do not know that it's a foul.
20:48 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but it's like they don't, it's my eight year old thinking about that.
20:52 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not yet.
20:54 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe her 11 year old is, but she gets it.
20:56 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_05]: That song is just so, it's almost, it's almost Motowny the back and beat.
21:22 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I like opalite a lot.
21:23 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I like this sort of poppy stuff, right?
21:26 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We're on the friendship.
21:28 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's really a lot of friendships coming in lyrics that I don't understand what they're about, but I'm fascinated.
21:33 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them are not, you know, I don't love that much, but yeah, I've enjoyed it.
21:37 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I have you heard any of the takes of it, Nancy points out like, oh, it's her being happy.
21:43 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:43 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you heard any of the takes about it being sort of Taylor's Trab Wife turned that she's like not a feminist anymore because of this album?
21:50 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that she wants to like the white-pick offense.
21:53 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the one about my last list?
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to populate.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I want your seed to populate the street we live on.
21:59 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking about that song that made me feel good about my life.
22:04 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that Taylor Swift is like, she's got everything she could want, right?
22:10 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_03]: She has all the money she'll need.
22:11 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_03]: She has a great family where she's all these things.
22:19 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Our life.
22:21 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_03]: She's daydreaming about just having a normal life with a person you love and kids that you love.
22:26 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Like a comb that's cozy and she's like, I one day I want that when all this is over.
22:30 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I want this white picket fence life.
23:00 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm like, I have that life, so maybe I should just be thankful, but that's what I have, you know.
23:05 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Lucky us, yeah.
23:06 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I think.
23:07 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of like that.
23:08 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you England suburban nuclear families?
23:11 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:12 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:12 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So I just, but I was always greener.
23:15 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Billionaire can kind of wish that she were middle class.
23:18 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, the second half of that, that line, the grass is always greener.
23:23 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_03]: There's the second part to that, that no one ever says.
23:26 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_03]: on the other side when you know the grass is always greener on the other side and less you're a happy gardener.
23:31 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
23:33 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the second part of that that we don't really say that part unless you're a happy gardener than the grass.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Stay on the side.
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Stay on the side man.
23:40 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that the whole thesis and then we'll move on.
23:43 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_03]: The whole thesis of life always show girl is Taylor's this happy now.
23:48 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_03]: She's feeling fulfilled and she loves Travis Kelsey and he's got a big
23:56 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: She wishes, she was like us in every other way.
24:00 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she wants to like make chili in a crock pot and like, I don't know, yeah, she wants a traditional life.
24:06 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to be a trad wife.
24:08 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to convince my family to let me do that for a while, but they said, it can't sell.
24:12 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll anti-feminist Nicole.
24:14 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to like bake a pie and vacuum it up.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_03]: A-line dress.
24:19 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love you on, you know, staying here in a call.
24:23 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know something bad some days is vacuuming your your comfort tour.
24:28 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I swear for a vacuum, yeah, I can clean floor.
24:32 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think dishes is my comfort.
24:33 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_03]: My husband likes dishes too.
24:35 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: What's your, oh my god, can somebody else please do this tour?
24:38 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Did this, in fact, and laundry.
24:40 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Me making the bed.
24:41 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I love making a bed.
24:43 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_03]: especially if I'm in the outfit like an airline, yeah, it has to I need like the costume right and you need somebody watching it sounds like I need like for a form But I'm like cooking I like vacuuming my husband does laundry and dishes like we have a pretty clear division of of labor not based in gender constructs
25:01 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We definitely have some that are like I do the snow blowing.
25:06 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I do the lawn mowing.
25:07 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there are some that are based on gender and but it's just it is what it is.
25:10 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also a quite a bit bigger, you know, it's easier for me to do those things and it's like here we are speaking of trad wives and trad husbands.
25:17 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Here I am clear in the snow after it's no stone.
25:19 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like my husband does that too.
25:21 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so all right.
25:24 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Mike W on discord says enjoy the first season to installment that will be the tail rip so
25:29 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a Swiftie at all, but I've always enjoyed the songs I've randomly heard on the radio.
25:34 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If I were to pick an album to start exploring her catalog where should I be finished?
25:38 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can't.
25:38 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember this conversation on Discord and it got heated.
25:41 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, there are a few questions in our mail bag up so that are not about Taylor Swift.
25:47 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: What have you got?
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: What's your start point?
25:49 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It really depends.
25:51 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I need like a profile of the human before I decide.
25:54 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of think there's two possible maybe three positive things.
25:57 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I think.
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I call it.
25:59 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I think 1989 is a good start point for almost anybody.
26:02 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_03]: It gives you like a representational bit on Taylor Swift, but if you're someone that leans towards a certain type of music, like a heavier music, I would put you on reputation because I think that that's like, you know, appeal to a certain audience more than like a folklore would.
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_03]: They're so different.
26:20 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
26:20 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't.
26:21 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say reputation.
26:22 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think either 1989 or folklore.
26:25 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people, people, if you don't like pop.
26:28 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Like pop pop.
26:29 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:29 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: 1989 is not you're going to you're going to hear welcome to New York and be like because that's first on right.
26:34 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be like this is not my my style.
26:36 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say it's that or folklore because like reputation is not if you like like trappy kind of beats it's not the best version of that.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So you might be like this is girl doing that.
26:46 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, there is a part of me that's like, be zeitgeisty, start with the new album, right?
26:52 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good, it's kind of like 1989, but probably 1989 or folklore or the two types of people.
27:00 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't cover everybody in the world.
27:01 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're going to like Taylor Swift, if you don't like those two, you probably aren't, won't like Taylor Swift.
27:07 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, I guess that's what I would say.
27:08 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, was your first in-road?
27:11 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_03]: to Taylor Swift.
27:12 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Because mine was the Ryan Adams cover of 99.
27:15 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I was like these lyrics are great.
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me listen to 99.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't love it then.
27:21 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I listened to midnight.
27:23 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And then loved that.
27:23 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of a later doctor.
27:25 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And then started working backwards.
27:27 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And then during pandemic, I got right.
27:29 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:30 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't deep dive on anything.
27:32 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really listen.
27:32 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't listen to a single record in full until my daughter started wanting to listen to her like two years ago.
27:38 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So
27:39 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Aside from hearing you belong to me or whatever and like the weird alperity of it and all that stuff.
27:44 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_05]: The first song that I like, well, this is a really good song, believe it or not, was 15.
28:11 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is from like speak now or something or fearless.
28:14 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, let's just second album fearless.
28:17 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like old like she's like like a 20 or whatever and the reason is because my ensemble at school was doing.
28:25 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
28:26 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_03]: We did that.
28:26 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You were in that concert.
28:28 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So Nicole and I missed to work at the same school.
28:31 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was one semester where I had psychology professors classes collaborating with our concert to like, you guys did surveys on like musical memories.
28:40 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was our first project we ever worked on together.
28:42 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It was called the music and memory project.
28:44 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, listen, certain memories.
28:46 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We played the concert and we like projected data from these sunglasses.
28:51 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It was cool.
28:52 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That all that stuff, those collaborations, we had art majors with us, one semester.
28:56 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That all died with COVID, which is sad.
28:57 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whatever.
28:59 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, whatever.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But we got funding from the... Oh, yeah.
29:01 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to work well with others.
29:04 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:04 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly, that's why you're a solo podcaster, but 15.
29:09 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I had found randomly like searching what are songs about reminiscent, and if he's that.
29:14 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: transcribing song and then rehearsing it with students.
29:16 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this is a really good well written song.
29:19 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But as of then that it was when we started listening with my daughter, we literally started at the beginning.
29:24 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
29:24 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But 1989 or Red were the first albums when doing the deep dive, where I was like, oh, actually this is kind of like, I like this more than, because I didn't, I wasn't overexposed to
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: even like the overplayed like shake it off and all that.
29:38 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't heard that that much because I wasn't I don't listen to pop radio really right anyways.
29:44 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's our answer.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thanks Mike.
29:46 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope a lot of snow like did you do it?
29:49 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_03]: We gave you so many assignments like did you do it?
29:51 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it almost as long as half of some of these albums.
29:55 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So at least you can do this and then let us know.
29:57 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, our next bit of feedback, uh, but I believe it's about the, um, Hope Punk episode.
30:02 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm going to not say this name appropriately, but this is from, um, Abby's gag food, um, um, um, discord, just popping quickly into, say, one excellent episode.
30:13 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I do listen to your pods, but don't usually comment as I feel myself out of depth with the music stuff mostly.
30:20 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I love to listen to music and listening is mood and vibe based and very eclectic, but I know nothing about music theory, so this is in that way educational when I can focus.
30:31 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_03]: About what Alicia described as literary, flagship, hope, punk, the space, antagonistic, etc.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_03]: working together part.
30:37 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you are describing the Expans book series.
30:41 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you really explain it?
30:41 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Just wanted to throw that out.
30:43 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The Expans book series is on my shelf literally shrink wrapped the first three.
30:48 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I did you watch the show.
30:49 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not even familiar with it at all.
30:52 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on Amazon.
30:53 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very good sci-fi.
30:54 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
30:56 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, 200 years in the future, 100 years in the future, or something.
31:00 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We've colonized the solar system, and it's like the sort of premise, the first album.
31:06 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The first book is called, I think, Leviathan Wakes, and it's like a war starts between the government of Mars and the government of Earth, but there's like.
31:16 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: the UN and then Mars, but then there's like the asteroid belt is kind of cotton the middle.
31:20 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like the working class mining civilization, and there's essentially a first contact kind of thing that happens in that season, meaning like.
31:29 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's this war brewing, but also there's these weird creatures that are appearing.
31:33 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really good sci-fi.
31:34 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Polite.
31:35 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like people when it came out.
31:36 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a game of thrones, except in space.
31:39 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
31:41 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Space John Snow, one podcaster, has referred to.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The man's character as.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the book's Hope Punk.
31:47 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't really talk about this if you haven't read it, but I've watched it.
31:52 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because it's
31:54 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's kind of like noble people trying to help, but I don't know.
31:57 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't comment.
31:59 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Discord people, chime in.
32:01 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think expanse is hope punk?
32:04 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read it yet.
32:04 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping maybe you had, but uh or or or seen it.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think kind of it.
32:09 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like modern sci-fi that from what Lisa was saying that his hope punk is almost more deliberately so though.
32:15 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's trying to go out of its way to be that, and I don't know if the expense is that, or if it's just kind of political intrigues in space and stuff like that.
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But thanks for writing in.
32:25 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people check it out.
32:26 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read them yet.
32:27 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_01]: There's too many long Stephen King books.
32:29 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to finish reading.
32:31 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I got the next one.
32:32 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, control.
32:34 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Andra B, B-E-M-L. Hi, Mark, and Nicole.
32:38 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Just catching up through previous episodes.
32:39 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been busy.
32:40 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I am the professor of flute at the University of South Alabama, Principal Flutist of the Mobile Symphony Orchestra.
32:49 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: A member of the National Fluid Association, who's quarterly journal is called the Flutist Quarterly, board member of the World Fluid Society and have recorded 15-ish CDs with various ensembles.
32:59 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_07]: What?
33:00 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is only important because it establishes my professional credentials.
33:04 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
33:04 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I can do that when we're done too.
33:06 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a doctor.
33:06 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
33:07 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: In the USA, it is definitely flutist.
33:10 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No question.
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: After all, we play the flute.
33:13 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Floutist is a horde over in Europe as the instrument in Italian is flout though and of course the brits still use it because they add you to a lot of things British way, but floutist has a you but like it's a flout okay sorry I'm late in responding to this but I wanted to set the professional record straight on the proper word of course you can say the flute player and don't have to deal with what is now become a pretentious term love the podcast just started
33:42 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I was saying it to be pretentious and to be quiet.
33:45 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You were literally correcting me.
33:47 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was in a talking mode.
33:48 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Lootest a few times.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
33:50 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Turns out the doctorative music trumps the counseling degree.
33:55 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't know that I was right.
33:57 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was making a mistake.
33:58 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what's funny?
33:59 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what's funny?
33:59 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what's funny?
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34:08 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what's funny?
34:09 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
34:09 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really pulling it, right?
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Because you wouldn't know.
34:12 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I just think I'm right all the time, because why wouldn't I be?
34:15 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_03]: But I like this comment, because it shows us that we can always keep learning and growing.
34:20 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, God, but have you ever had the feeling of being wrong and knowing you're wrong?
34:23 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very different feeling.
34:25 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, you're in the middle of an argument or a debate with someone and you say something.
34:28 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And when it comes out of your mouth, you realize you don't mean what you just said.
34:30 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll never have that.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
34:33 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, those are the moments where you look back.
34:36 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Or whether it's like, in argument you're having or, yeah, like, and I don't mean like you're lying to somebody.
34:41 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, if you say, when you say it out loud, yeah, or something like that, oh, that you like overstep.
34:47 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't even mean just like, oh, I was being rude.
34:49 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean more like, I think that's like having political debates with members of my family and I like say a thing.
34:55 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, do I actually believe that?
34:57 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Or am I just performatively like being the extreme, you know?
35:01 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't get like that off and I'll just go on it.
35:03 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:03 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
35:04 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know you're wrong when you're wrong.
35:05 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I know I'm wrong because I said something too much.
35:08 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is funny that the names for the instrumentalist like we say drummer or not drumist.
35:15 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
35:15 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You say basis to not base her trombonist sounds a little less fun than trombonor.
35:22 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But then there's this whole thing pianist versus pianist in like certain people.
35:26 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is right pianist right.
35:28 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think it might actually be pianist, but it's one of those things where people say pianists because they don't want to say pianist.
35:35 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, pianist.
35:35 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Or they secretly do want to say pianist, but they don't want to be heard saying it, right?
35:39 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's delightful.
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's delightful.
35:42 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think player, player.
35:45 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Harper player instead of Harper.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the safe thing to do.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Flute player.
35:50 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But.
35:51 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is pretty weird, the flouto, but like we don't use, we don't call viola players, we call them violas, we don't call them altists because, well, the instruments called the alto in, you know, either language.
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36:18 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've got some professional musicians and professionals like all just out there because then generally correct us because like look what do I know of I know a lot about stuff, but I still don't know everything so like I'm going to say something crazy sometimes right yeah like come on our show and talk about Lizzo that's right do you want to ask you more is a good we play right I think she is but professor can can weigh in.
36:55 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Next bit of feedback from David G, it's a long one.
36:59 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So bear with me, I have two points to make.
37:02 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_03]: One, Californians.
37:04 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to admit Nicole's comments about Californians gave me a little bit of PTSD.
37:08 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's referring to when I said Californians are nice but not kind.
37:12 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:14 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to here, where people are kind, but not nice.
37:18 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I lived in Michigan most of my life now, but I'm originally from Sonoma, California.
37:23 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_03]: My dad moved my family to the Detroit area in the early 90s when I was about 10, and I learned quickly that some people here had a lot of opinions about California and Californians, even though I'm sure most of them had never been there.
37:36 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is weird to me because I knew nothing about the Midwest or Midwesterners and didn't have any preconceived notions about people from Michigan.
37:45 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I had to work on my non-regional accent and ditch the word quote, rad on quote, all through late elementary and middle school so that I wouldn't sound too quote, California.
37:57 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd get pegged as a stoner for my accent or because I'm kind of mellow by nature, which has nothing to do with being from California.
38:04 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_03]: It would be implied to me most of my life that where I ended up is the quote, real America on quote.
38:10 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I find myself still having to defend California sometimes, letting people know it's a big and diverse state.
38:16 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have every kind of person you can think of.
38:18 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a blue state, but there are also a lot of Republicans that live there, too.
38:22 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I interrupt on that?
38:23 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: There are more Republicans living in California than there are Republicans living in Texas.
38:27 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the wildest thing, because it's such a big state.
38:30 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I know Nicole meant it in a lighthearted fashion, which is true, but I don't agree that people from California are one kind of way.
38:37 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Just as much as no one can generalize that people from the Midwest are a specific kind of person with a specific kind of showing kindness or not.
38:45 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It bugs me that, even to this day, people think it's still perfectly okay to hate California and the people there.
38:50 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yet if I say anything bad about Illinois, Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, anywhere in the South, et cetera, I'm just being an asshole.
38:58 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, all right.
38:59 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
39:00 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I hate to stereotype.
39:02 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't meant in a light-hard way.
39:03 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's complicated, right?
39:06 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there are cultural norms in places.
39:10 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are also crazy diversity.
39:13 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think California, as a California, who is an expat in New England.
39:17 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, probably will live here for the rest of my life.
39:22 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear a lot of that kind of stuff.
39:24 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And
39:25 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how am I going to say this without making everybody just agree with the California hate?
39:30 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think some of it is jealousy.
39:33 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I say jealousy and be maybe maybe and be so nice.
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they're so great.
39:37 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I've started to, I've always thought that and I grew up in San Diego, the weather is great, but also my aunt's house for convert down.
39:44 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's really dangerous honestly with what's happening with fires and all that.
39:48 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's set or a but.
39:50 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like people would probably want to live there, but it's not practical to live there.
39:55 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't, and you have your family where you're like, I don't want, I want to move back, but I don't want to.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: My life is here.
40:01 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to stay.
40:02 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't afford to live in California, but if I was just choosing on the map.
40:07 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd live there, and maybe that's just because I grew up there, but I do kind of feel like you hear about how nice it is, and so you hate it.
40:15 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But we all can hate super rich people, but if you were choosing to be what you, you know, middle class or lower middle class or whatever, or be rich, you would choose rich, right?
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a feel like it's kind of like I don't not saying you choose a billionaire.
40:30 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You may think that that a billionaire is a policy failure, but you would choose to be a millionaire over poor in most cases, right?
40:37 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And similarly, it's like, well, I don't live there.
40:40 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm never gonna live there because I don't feel like I fit there.
40:43 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying me, but like I don't feel like I culturally fit there.
40:46 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems kind of nice, and I think that makes people mad.
40:49 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They're sick of hearing about it all the time, but then it just, then people just hear about it more, right?
40:54 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You never heard about Michigan, and that tells you something, right?
40:57 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because people in California don't talk about death while that much.
41:00 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think, too, I agree with David and relate to what he's saying as a Bostonian, because we get a similar type of stereotype put on us, and I know we're smaller populations, smaller demographic.
41:11 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Massholes.
41:12 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_03]: But like massholes and that were racist and that like were cold-hearted and just drink junk and donuts and track suits all the time.
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I do understand your point.
41:20 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Like in when I travel or when I'm in a group of people that aren't from Boston, I do mask my accent, I do undersell my Boston nature because to avoid the stereotype.
41:30 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So I can really relate to what you're saying here.
41:33 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's tons of everybody lives everywhere, like there's tons of people of all stripes in every location.
41:38 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, I do think certain places get it worse.
41:42 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you say California, but as a lifelong Californian until I was about 30, the South was totally a punching bag, right?
41:49 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The punching bag for me growing up with, if people were gonna make a comment, it would be about Alabama or Mississippi, not even the Midwest.
41:55 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like the sort of flyover states in the South, flyover states itself as a condescending term,
42:01 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: the flyover states in the south had the least sympathy because I feel like sandy agons have a lot of midwesterners that had relocated and so there were a lot like I was visiting small town Nebraska every couple years to visit my great-grandmother right and my best friend growing up his family was familiar and so there was more like cultural funness maybe for that but like the south was just like oh yeah that's the armpit of america right
42:26 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And it felt very okay to crap on the self.
42:30 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like it's not just California.
42:33 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think California gets it pretty bad in the current sort of cultural context we live in.
42:40 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
42:41 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a lot, some of that was made worse by do-fist teenagers in California thinking they were better than the people, you know, back when I was a teenager, people living in the South for example, right?
42:51 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's real, like I feel like there was an actual superiority complex that kind of developed for enlightened coastal elites, right?
42:59 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that sucks.
43:01 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So, be cool people, be cool to each other, be excellent to each other.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This is actually the rest of David G's, you know, I will take it.
43:08 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
43:08 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You all everybody.
43:11 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is all of us to reference, okay?
43:17 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: From the show loss, Charlie was in a band.
43:20 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
43:21 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: In the backstory that had to sound you all, everybody should I drop, I don't have it, but should I drop in a clip.
43:26 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember the name of the band?
43:32 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh crap I don't you're doing a lost rewatch aren't you what's the name of the band
43:59 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't remember drive shaft drive shaft.
44:02 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, so I'll drop in a clip.
44:05 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, so good not pennies boat knee holds and up.
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good remember.
44:10 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not well, but yeah, that's it's a spoiler spoiler spoiler out of context.
44:15 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't watched.
44:16 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not pennies boat.
44:21 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I know he says, I don't know if either of you have ever heard Ebony eyes by Bob Welch before, but I'm pretty sure that this is where the people from the lost got the idea for you all everybody.
44:32 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be shocked if that wasn't true.
44:35 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though I agree with you, both that you all everybody is pretty terrible.
44:39 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure that it was based on a song that was actually a song.
44:42 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I really love the podcast and look forward to it every week.
44:44 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep up the good work both of you.
44:45 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even remember you've seen the show way more recently.
44:49 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you ever hear the song or do you just hear people singing you all?
44:52 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody like, oh, you're the guy from that band?
44:55 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_03]: you hear the song.
44:56 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a flashback in season one that like his his fall from grace when he's detoxing from drugs he talks about like how he got I've just watched the other day how he gets addicted to drugs and his older brother like exposes him to it but then the older brother gets clean and Charlie doesn't and that's why like lock hold for the drugs from him in the forest and then like he emerges from the cocoon like the butterfly like with Jack in the cave if you know you know.
45:20 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not it's not at all pennies boat.
45:24 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not pennies boat.
45:25 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_03]: The flash forward.
45:27 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be anybody's boat, but it's not pennies.
45:29 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I barely remember what that even means.
45:31 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's something about dustman.
45:32 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Something about dustman.
45:33 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.
45:34 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's listen to the song.
45:35 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Bob Welch.
45:36 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Ebony eyes from 1977.
45:39 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But all this to say before we start, they do play that song in last in that episode.
45:43 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a scene of the band on stage.
45:44 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the only song.
45:45 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll pipe it in.
45:49 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_08]: You're right, got to clean it You're right, got to clean it You're right, got to clean it You're right, got to clean it
46:09 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it sounds a lot like that song that we got the same tune in the chorus.
46:12 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll have to go back and revisit these reddit boards.
46:15 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_03]: These are hit threads that I've been looking at from, you know, the early 2000s.
46:19 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it came up.
46:21 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
46:21 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that's a positive path.
46:23 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And Dave G also says over email.
46:26 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_03]: the part of the episode about sugar ray totally cracked me up because I did happen to see new metal sugar ray remember when we were talking about that you said they started as a new man anybody ever ever see it yeah and and they did back in 1997 I was at the warp tour all my gosh and squared free tickets to see them in Detroit where I live it was actually pretty awesome mark my graph climbed up the balcony and
46:51 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_03]: flat my friends and I high five during one of their songs I think they've recovered a twisted sister-in-tune.
46:57 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_03]: It was definitely worth seeing.
46:58 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.
46:59 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I would have liked new metal figure, right?
47:02 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I played it, you hated it.
47:04 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, then there you go.
47:05 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_03]: People change.
47:06 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I, you hated it.
47:08 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You should be relaxed.
47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of cool.
47:09 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think you hated it so much.
47:11 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I used it as the cold open to our episode.
47:14 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
47:14 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
47:16 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I reckon I know we just sort of a lot of David G. But thanks for writing in the real sugar A feedback is coming to us from Zach.
47:24 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
47:24 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: who wrote in about, like, he was about to see them with Bear-Naked Ladies, and we were like, we need the details.
47:31 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right, I remember that.
47:32 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So he says, finally getting back to you after the end of season male bag episode.
47:36 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The Bear-Naked Ladies and Sugar Ray concert was so much fun.
47:39 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_01]: My son and his girlfriend had a great time as well, although they had to sit about 15 rows behind me.
47:44 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Since I bought just a single ticket, I was able to get an eighth row seat for relatively cheap.
47:49 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, Zach?
47:50 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't mad about not.
47:52 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you sit with you during the concert?
47:55 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, especially behind you where you can't see that.
48:00 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: In addition to the two bands we knew about, fastball was the first opener, which I was not expecting, but really enjoyed.
48:05 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: As for the music, a few weeks before the concert, I went to setless.fm and checked the last few concerts from their tour and created a playlist of these songs on Spotify.
48:14 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That way I was familiar with all the songs they would be playing.
48:17 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly, Veronica Ladies also played a few songs from earlier albums.
48:21 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: that I was unfamiliar with.
48:23 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I pause real quick?
48:24 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about setless FM.
48:26 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:27 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that you really look at it, but like the general question, would you rather know what type of show you're about to see like what kinds of songs are playing?
48:36 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you rather be surprised?
48:37 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It depends on, this is a great question.
48:39 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_03]: It really depends on the circumstances.
48:42 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So I never really, I'm a concert gore.
48:44 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I never really checked out setless FM until I started taking my kid to concerts.
48:50 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_03]: if I know that the concert on a school night because I'm that mom and I know like if they're playing the same consistent set for every show I know okay we're gonna leave after this song because I know what's coming up next like we saw Benson Boon recently which was what honestly one of the best shows I've ever seen for the first third of it until you left.
49:09 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we stayed for about two-thirds of it and then it was a school night.
49:12 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to be traffic.
49:13 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We knew that the second the last couple songs we weren't that familiar with.
49:17 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_03]: We'd be like beautiful things, but like, oh, what can you do?
49:20 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And we left a little bit early in the morning.
49:23 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Foreign decision.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It was an informed decision.
49:25 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So, and I also liked looking at real start times, real end times.
49:29 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But if I'm on my way, I'd like to say that.
49:31 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: To average, start time this tour.
49:33 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Three and a half hours after the doors open.
49:35 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, okay, I'm not showing up an hour before the opening.
49:37 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to talk about this later.
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't recorded this.
49:43 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an episode we're going to do in the spring, but I went to a high-end concert.
49:48 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was an interesting.
49:49 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk about the concert later when we actually do the episode on high and by the way, we're doing an episode on high and everybody listen to high and if you haven't already heard them.
49:56 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_01]: and they had just dropped a new album, when that, you know, over the summer and the concert was in the fall, that kind of thing.
50:04 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had heard it like once, and so I really wanted to be, because they only have four albums.
50:09 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I like, I know all of them do well, but I didn't know that new one.
50:12 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I didn't want to be spoiled.
50:13 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wanted to not know what their set would be.
50:16 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, if this is, leans a lot on the new album, I'll enjoy it more if I know the songs.
50:21 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
50:21 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So,
50:22 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked it up to determine how many more times do I have to cram and listen to this new record before I go to that show.
50:29 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
50:30 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_01]: More on that later.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was a case where I actually I was like kind of bummed.
50:33 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't want to look up this site.
50:35 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to go there and it's like the entire set is their fourth record and I have, I'm only heard it once.
50:40 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I appreciate that perspective.
50:42 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm going to see Florence in the machine.
50:44 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
50:45 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
50:45 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone I talk to when I tell them what type of music I like.
50:48 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, oh, you must love Florence and the machine and I just never really got into her and them as much as I respect them.
50:55 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So I do plan to look at the set list before I go and just listen to those songs because it's the catalogs too big.
51:02 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if it's me like if it's not on lungs, I probably haven't heard it.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
51:07 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to make sure I have a good time with the show.
51:09 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I'll have a fantastic time no matter what.
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_03]: It's clear.
51:13 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_03]: But I want to be able to sing along and dance along and know the songs through and through before I see the live because I'll appreciate it more if I do.
51:20 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
51:21 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
51:22 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I do plan to do more like it's like a study guide for a test right like I want to know everything but like if time short and I have a deadline.
51:31 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to know what I have to study before I go in so I can be successful.
51:34 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's an artist I know well I prefer to be a problem.
51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_03]: A million percent.
51:39 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I want to like hope that they'll play like whatever my favorite song deep cuts are, and I don't want to have that dashed until the concert is over.
51:46 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm also wondering, like, when I was younger, when I was younger, going to concerts, like, bands, I saw I'd never played the same set every night.
51:54 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that just a newer thing?
51:55 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Now that production is so interesting.
51:56 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of it is because you've got, if you've got the backing videos going, and you need like a lot, yeah, and has to be like regimented.
52:03 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But you also were, you went to a lot of like jam bands, and that's part.
52:08 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Those bands are still not doing the same sin every now and that's the thing like it didn't matter The reason I never gotten to set that fan because it for I can sorry for swearing Who cares?
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you who's sorry?
52:18 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know but for like a deep math use ban show, which is so telling
52:23 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_03]: the surprise was all of it like every night it was a new set so like the setless FM didn't give you any information.
52:29 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It just gave you like some sort of joy.
52:31 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Because because the version of ants marching you're hearing is different from the one they played in Vermont yesterday anyways it doesn't matter actually what the set is right because it says this this DMB song for 20 minutes well okay it's not the radio hit version anyways yeah um I think enough people are playing with backing tracks with a click
52:50 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_03]: with stuff like that would be like shows and videos that it has to be scripted out more like you Broadway musical is right so and I'm not knocking that I love I mean the thing about Benson Moon that was so good like the production was great the stage set up was great he did so many not just back flips front flips too like off things onto things it was why we lose some of the like who's like hanging from the ceiling half the time was awesome but there's not going to be like a you know what guys let's just play this song now
53:17 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he did every, he did have like a spontaneous cover that he did every night and that chain did change, which was cool.
53:25 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
53:28 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We're still, we're still in the middle.
53:29 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't heard about sugar right.
53:31 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
53:31 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep going.
53:32 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
53:32 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_01]: At the concert, sugar rate did not play any new metal, just a hit.
53:36 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, mark my grass.
53:37 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So no RPM or whatever that song that Nicole hated apparently.
53:40 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Mark my graph leaned hard into the 90s jokes.
53:44 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He came out asking the, what is he like making our word jokes like homophobic 90 jokes jokes about the 90s.
53:50 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he's kind of like frustrated his frost and tips.
53:53 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, he came out asking the audience if they were ready to go back to the 90s.
53:57 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Joked about why it was such a dad.
54:00 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Joked about why he was the only person in the venue with frost and tips.
54:03 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you lead a head?
54:05 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: love it and pulled out a Nokia cell phone.
54:09 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess his philosophy is they can't make fun of you if they make the joke for a second and he was genuinely very funny.
54:14 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He also talked about how he knows that sugar rate, by the way, Mark McGrath is a lead vocalist of sugar rate, but if you weren't from the 90s,
54:22 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He also talked about how he knows that Sugar Ray was only relevant as a band for a few years, but then he got a little serious saying how lucky they were, as musicians, to have had a nearly four decade career and still be touring for a living.
54:34 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He was also super energetic, running all over the stage, hyping up the crowd, and just having a great time.
54:41 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They also played several covers, including a hilarious version of Pony by genuine, oh my, wow, wow,
54:48 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_01]: and a mashup of fly and what I got that was incredible.
54:51 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting because those songs are both sublime, what I got.
54:55 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They're both of a similar kind of looping a hip hoppy beat while vaguely Caribbean influenced.
55:03 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like guy music, some on top of it.
55:05 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any thoughts on this before?
55:06 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask you to read all his bare naked ladies.
55:09 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
55:10 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_03]: But
55:10 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, I just think it's great that like I agree with Mr. Sugar Ray and that you kind of have to make the joke.
55:17 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_03]: We know we know what's going on here.
55:19 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And appreciate those people still want to see you after.
55:22 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
55:22 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And like they're making money.
55:24 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
55:24 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I do them what they love.
55:25 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And we can't say that for everybody.
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's right.
55:28 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Way to go.
55:29 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm glad it was a good show.
55:30 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_03]: They go on for Barenake at least.
55:32 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_03]: They had a great set that's been the first album to the most recent, but as Nicole predicted,
55:40 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Seeing along with the band was exciting, and there was great to be among so many people having so much fun.
55:45 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_03]: As an encore, they brought fastball and sugary back out in all three bands, but a very long version of Summer of 69 with a bunch of solos, which was very cool.
55:54 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Looking back at it now, as you can see from the writing, I actually remember a lot more about sugary in their performance, and the three of us agreed we had more fun during their performance, which was unexpected.
56:04 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think this is, this is great.
56:05 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for following up with us and letting us know how that concert went.
56:09 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I like seeing older bands play.
56:11 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I like when they play their hits.
56:12 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I indulge them to listen to their new music, but I want the songs I could know when sing and dance, too.
56:18 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm paying for.
56:20 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I stepped back to our controversial comments on Weezer from.
56:24 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
56:24 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's see.
56:25 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
56:25 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if you, too, listener would like to occupy 30 minutes of our next feedback.
56:31 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So send us an email or a couple emails.
56:34 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We're more likely to incorporate.
56:35 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_01]: all of them.
56:35 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We're as discord comments.
56:37 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really kind of only trying to do one per writer.
56:39 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But the discord comments are more conversation.
56:41 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, it's hard to isolate a whole conversation in one comment because they did spark really.
56:47 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's more real time.
56:48 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So emails are awesome.
56:49 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_03]: This one was great.
56:50 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for sending it in.
56:52 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_01]: From Maryland on Discord.
56:55 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm halfway through the episode on Hope Punk.
56:57 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm doing my best not to cry.
56:59 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry that our episode was so bad, Maryland.
57:01 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's what you mean.
57:02 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
57:03 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so astonishing to me to learn that there's a whole contemporary cultural movement around something that just made me feel ridiculously alone for a long time.
57:11 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_01]: A preference for things that are hopeful for stories that come out all right.
57:15 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems to me for so long and still does as I scroll through the industry news feed that we have on our Discord channel that nine out of ten films appearing now are all some sort of variation on the grim dark theme.
57:27 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And remember the grim dark everybody's the opposite of the whole punk like everything is bad sort of game of thrones in case then pick your favorite genres indeed positive unexpected outcomes which token named you catastrophes so uncommon.
57:42 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm usually moved to tears when they occur even in a film that I'm not into.
57:46 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I find it a little bit sad that to be hopeful is now considered to be counterculture and radical.
57:52 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll take it.
57:53 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Regarding positive psychology's encouragement to think the best of everyone, hurrah.
57:58 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the strong counterpressure to that is a fear of being fooled, being taken in by someone, being scanned.
58:04 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not denying the possibility of it.
58:06 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just asking if that has to be our initial go-to stance every time.
58:11 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's because we are so untrained and grieving and mourning losses, which is still a skill that empathy requires.
58:18 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Tolkien, indeed, is the literary originator of Hope Punk by your definition, and I will say here, and now, that this is what has drawn me to him for almost 60 years.
58:27 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think Maryland's major question here, and I'm happy to dive into it, is does grieving and mourning loss require empathy?
58:37 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's an interesting angle.
58:38 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_03]: just grieving in mourning require empathy.
58:42 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I think to understand someone else's grieving, of course requires empathy.
58:47 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think mourning loss is an internal process.
58:51 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to understand someone else's going through to mourn loss, and I think it's even almost better if it's entirely yours to own.
58:58 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_03]: That you're not mourning for someone else, you're mourning for yourself, and a lot of times that's not cognitive.
59:05 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's connecting it to this whole idea of a fear of being taken in, right?
59:08 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:09 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_01]: A fear of loss causes us to not engage in optimism, right?
59:13 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of like, well, if I expect the worst of people or of stories, I won't be disappointed.
59:20 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't lose what I want and love.
59:24 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting.
59:24 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not sure.
59:25 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
59:26 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think everything requires empathy.
59:28 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge part of the human experience, right?
59:30 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_03]: But to trust people, does that require empathy?
59:34 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
59:34 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
59:35 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_03]: You think so?
59:36 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Say more.
59:37 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_01]: If you can't see inside anybody, how can you ever stop trying to protect yourself from them, right?
59:43 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Empathy, like understanding and trying to get inside their emotions is a sort of casual definition of empathy, maybe would be,
59:51 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if you can't do that, how would you, right?
59:54 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's how much can you trust a stranger, right?
59:56 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's somebody that you don't, I guess, but you could have empathy for that person, but it's harder, right?
01:00:01 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_03]: The more... Yeah, I think like, I don't know, I'm kind of having a hard time unpacking this idea of empathy versus just understanding that everyone is three-dimensional, right?
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone has back story.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and maybe that's empathy to just share this kind of empathy, but there's like an intellectual understanding of it versus the actual feeling of the Well, you know, we talked about this before.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember the two types of empathy?
01:00:25 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Silver empathy and rainbow empathy.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I did not so close.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we didn't discuss it cognitive and affect of empathy
01:00:32 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, when did we talk about that?
01:00:35 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we never did.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe is that on, maybe it's on one of your other podcasts with Lawrence.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We're maybe it's on an episode that we recorded recently that hasn't ever been.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about that.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like this idea that you're just having cognitive empathy that you can just understand what someone else is going through.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're just like, in your brain, you know that they must be feeling sad.
01:00:54 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_03]: but affect of empathy is like if you see someone feeling sad you feel sad too you like feel it with them instead of just understanding how they're feeling it's just a different flavor of empathy so like a lot of the kids the kids today they'll say like oh I'm an empath I'm an empath if you're gonna matter on me I'm gonna get mad like that's actually very I hate just be so like sing song like I feel like perjorative when I say it that way because it's
01:01:17 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_03]: a very valid point of view.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But this idea that that's affective empathy that you're sharing the feeling with someone instead of just like understanding how they feel.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think both are important.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I think affective empathy is more important for grieving a loss when you're seeing someone go through grief and you've felt it too.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You can relate to them more than if you just understand.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they lost their mind.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_03]: They must be sad.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_03]: But like if you felt that sadness, it's something that words can't explain.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, wow.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So more on that we'll talk about more later.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really fascinating.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I really love unpacking those terms.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks for writing in Maryland.
01:01:54 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry that you felt alone in in this, you know, throughout a lot of your, you know, cultural engagement.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, now we're all in this together, right?
01:02:03 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You all, everybody.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_03]: As it were.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Charlie.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Charlie.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's brother kind of led us to understand the last name.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Charlie.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_03]: No way to know.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_03]: This is an email from a need to be.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I think a need to be is our neuropsychologist neuropsychologist, right?
01:02:21 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think you're right.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, via email.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I mentor I back after the last mail back episode.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for the shout out and bring up my 988 comment, which is the national suicide mental health hotline.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that we referenced and we had an episode about intrusive thoughts.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, Kylie Minogue.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I also enjoyed the back to the basics episode that was her suggestion actually we definitely need to listen again because I already forgot a lot of it
01:02:49 --> 01:02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, my students are taking finals.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They have two.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They forgot to.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And they haven't even taken the finals yet.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_03]: On another note, my mind keeps coming back to the post Malone episode.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I like some of this music.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_03]: It's always rubbed me the wrong way that he started off with a strong hip-hop aesthetic, both in his music and personal style, but does not seem to respect the genre.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: He drew criticism in 2017 for saying that hip-hop lacked emotional depth.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're looking for lyrics, you're looking to cry.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're looking to think about life, don't listen to hip-hop.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the quote from post-mullum.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we've changed up his whole style to move to a more country aesthetic and his pivoted away from hip-hop.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It might be interesting to have a side-track episode on this kind of cultural appropriation with a guest who could speak better to the issue.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_03]: When is admiration, inspiration, and when is it cultural appropriation?
01:03:42 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_03]: How interesting?
01:03:44 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought of cultural appropriation on a bunch, and in my career, right, and in my classes.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, talking about it deep diving, especially with someone who could really speak to it, is something we need to do at some point.
01:03:56 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fascinating, and it's like a weird, there's a middle ground that has to be the way things should work, right?
01:04:03 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we can't be a situation where no culture can spread beyond the immediate vicinity, right?
01:04:10 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: writing would have had to have been invented by each individual human being or human culture separately, right?
01:04:17 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You can spread cultural ideas, right?
01:04:19 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the other hand, taking them as your own and kind of claiming authority over that is a really toxic and problematic thing.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I think we can have one day a really interesting conversation, whether we're talking about rock and roll in the 50s, jazz, blues, hip hop now,
01:04:38 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Appropriation is a bad thing in certain cases and a reasonable and acceptable thing and other instances, right?
01:04:47 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about it from my own career.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I play in a sort of scab pop bands.
01:04:54 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Skye is something we appropriated from Jamaica back in the 60s, maybe being Jamaican immigrants in Britain, right?
01:05:02 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it kind of ended up here.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And but my lens into it,
01:05:05 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: is more like so-called suburban bands like sublime speaking of appropriate so like it's like second tier appropriation but I'm not claiming kind of authority over that and also it's sort of weak kind of scob or also just sort of rock and rock pop rock is also just like incorporating black American culture right but then does that mean there can't be a white guy in a rock band either right like there's a way to do it.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that we could talk about it.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Something that's standing out to me and what you're saying is the claiming authority piece and that's how I really understand appropriation is that we're not honoring the lineage of our ideas.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_03]: We're just saying, oh, this is my new creative idea.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:58 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll do like pop music with a bunch of horns and like whatever Reggae beats are when you break down music and you're not saying like, I know that this is based in Reggae Scott, just like post Malone, I don't think he's claiming to be that kind of music.
01:05:58 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like,
01:05:59 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: he's denigrating the style that, let gave him, right, you know, and it's actually a false statement that he has to be the most of the depth.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is stupid.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_03]: That's, like, come on, have you, at least in 2017, he was probably like 20 years old at the time.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So we need to let 20 years old.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be in his 30s.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if he's, if he's in his 30s now, 2017,
01:06:27 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, there's almost 10 years ago, so this one.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually we're not even going to say everybody writing in.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look up.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:06:33 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's 30 now.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was a 20.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was a doofus.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:38 [SPEAKER_03]: He was a doofus.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen his early YouTube videos?
01:06:40 --> 01:06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It depends on how early.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is it's first music video?
01:06:43 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Not good.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why not a singer or whatever?
01:06:46 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Before that.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like not ideal.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that feels like appropriation.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's more off that his country vibe feels more authentic to me.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, I'm not kidding.
01:06:56 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me, like on the, the other thing on the just, of course, you mentioned like some reasons in which it become bad the acknowledgement is is bad and then I'm going to come back to post, but the other thing is there are appropriation situations where like the culture that originates an idea becomes much less successful financially than though the like Elvis that comes out and suddenly and Elvis, I think about Elvis is Elvis was very much a creature of that southern.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: melting pot kind of thing so it's it's hard to say that he himself but like all of the white artists in rap and roll for example that became more successful and making more money than their black contemporaries at the same time that's when things can get really bad so post I don't I can't speak for what what's most authentic for a post malone like I don't think country is also black music
01:07:45 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: is truth.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It just goes back a long time before any of us were born when it was at least heavily influenced by African American vernacular musical styles, like blues and stuff.
01:07:54 --> 01:07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I remember talking about posts specifically, neither one of us were big like deep dive.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know post Malone's singles for part.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: None of them are him rapping.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like hip hop beats, but he's a singer.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got the wobble voice kind of thing.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like a hip hop aesthetic.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I feel like he's been running away from it.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He absolutely, why is he not running?
01:08:18 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is he not wrapping on any of his singles?
01:08:21 --> 01:08:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Because rap doesn't have emotional and depth.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But how much more depth does the song we did circles?
01:08:27 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like that song, but it's not like Pulitzer Prize poetry either, right?
01:08:31 --> 01:08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, his voice has a nice emotional resonance to it.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: His tunes are catchy, but like, a rap verse where he's essentially poetrying at us.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: could be deep too.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
01:08:43 --> 01:08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I like so I'm not going to say whether it's more authentic for him as a a tad it up white dude to be a country artist but if he's acting like he's elevated himself by going to country with the era of country we're in right now that is not going to be very factually accurate.
01:08:58 --> 01:09:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm curious if, you know, there's a great recommendation at the end of the speedback.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we could have a guest that could speak better to this issue.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I would love that.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_03]: If we have anyone in our community that feels like they're and have an expertise in this area, could you write in and self-identify so we can speak to this with respect and authority.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And like maybe have a really grounded conversation about it because I think it's an important one.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like back to our comment earlier that I made where it's like, well, sometimes I say a thing that I know it's wrong.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, how am I supposed to be the musician voice in a conversation about appropriation when I know I am an appropriator?
01:09:38 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I am a well-meaning appropriator, but I'm fundamentally working in art forms that I did not invent and the...
01:09:43 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_03]: But like, is it always wrong?
01:09:45 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a conversation that I have, but I think somebody who studies this and acts or something like that.
01:09:54 --> 01:10:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I am conflicted about about it, but also that's what music and culture is, but even like the fact that you have the conflict says that you understand the problem and I think appropriation becomes a
01:10:36 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, from Doug or Leans.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Fun discussion of new wave versus punk.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: When I was in junior high in the early 80s, new wave to me was Durandarand, soft cell, human league, flock of seagulls, basically all those British bands on MTV and Square pegs.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Punk barely registered with me, maybe the remones.
01:10:53 --> 01:10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The first clash song I knew was rocked the Casboy, which nobody described as punk.
01:10:57 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: much later in college, I read some early writing about the sex pistols that describe them as new wave.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got the impression that new wave started as just an alternative term for punk in the late 70s, maybe one that felt less derogatory at the time.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So this was this feedback I read, this is from November right after that episode launched and our blondie episode.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just like this was a forehead slap moment, like because I know I
01:11:26 --> 01:11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But I know that like, cause I talked about how like new wave developed is a term to describe the more kind of Cynthia and quirky punky stuff that wasn't like punk punk.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
01:11:40 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Doug is completely right, that actually at the time, people just called it the same thing.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And that it was only later that they decided, well, we shouldn't.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We got these two beautiful terms.
01:11:49 --> 01:11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: One is punk, one is new wave.
01:11:50 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's call Blondie new wave and the Ramones punk.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Back then, you could have called Blondie punk and the Ramones new wave or vice versa because it was just like,
01:11:58 --> 01:12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: People writing articles and rolling stone or whatever, making up the terms, right?
01:12:02 --> 01:12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think you are right about derander and soft sell human leak flock of seagulls.
01:12:06 --> 01:12:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of those bands maybe are also synth pop or what's called neuromantic, I think in the case of some of them, but they're also new wave, but like by the time derander and is a thing, you wouldn't be calling them punk, right?
01:12:20 --> 01:12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That would if that's too poppy, right?
01:12:22 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of the clash as punk?
01:12:24 --> 01:12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the clash is iconically punk.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: but rock the cast by ain't right it ain't it's like that's poppy sort it's not even a really new wave right but if you listen they have some songs that sound like you know Ramonesy punk like listen to like white riot or something like that
01:12:58 --> 01:13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: but then London calling great records got like reggae on it like it's just not as well defined at that time, but yeah, I think I think I technically punk, but their sounds did not necessarily say.
01:13:10 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Like who if you're in eighth grade and you say I like punk rock, you say I like the clash.
01:13:16 --> 01:13:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's just so surface level of like the icon of punk, but a real person that likes punk rock would probably roll their eyes.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_03]: If you said, do you like the clash is like a punk rock band?
01:13:26 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll like the clash.
01:13:29 --> 01:13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's not hardcore punk, you know, but I see what you mean.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the sex pistols are a little too scary or like contemporary hardcore punk is too scary.
01:13:37 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say the clash.
01:13:39 --> 01:13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's it's vibe, right?
01:13:40 --> 01:13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The vibe, their vibe is still punk, but like then they have that song like train and vain, you know?
01:13:45 --> 01:13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like sounds like a 60s pop song, right?
01:13:58 --> 01:13:59 [SPEAKER_07]: All right, all right.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Know that one, it's like the hidden track when you stand by me, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don
01:14:30 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, next comment from Jean G. Junir on Discord in regards to our seal episode.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Kiss from a rose wasn't heavy rotation and I mean heavy rotation.
01:14:41 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But after hearing color sheesh that became my all-time fave seal song.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And on human being album how it transitions from color to still love remains just wow wow wow wow wow when absolutely breathtaking sequence in my humble opinion.
01:14:57 --> 01:15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so do you know this record in this sequence?
01:15:00 --> 01:15:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, but I love album transitions.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to listen to these part of it.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to put, we're going to listen, I don't know this either.
01:15:09 --> 01:15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to listen to, we're going to start, we're going to listen to color.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to pipe in everything to the episode.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But we will listen to the part of the human being record by seal where color transitions to still love remains.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, what's up, everybody?
01:15:25 --> 01:15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Mark here during the editing process.
01:15:28 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I can't play several minutes of music here.
01:15:32 --> 01:15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Transitioning from the first tune to the other, but what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna play a small clip of color, and then all play the transition, and then I'll cut to a later part of the love remains.
01:15:43 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: When you hear our reaction, just imagine that we listen to this all this one big, continuous threat of music.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:51 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, first color,
01:15:53 --> 01:16:04 [SPEAKER_07]: At times here today, I must have retained.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:15 [SPEAKER_07]: In love, you would say that I caused my eyes.
01:16:15 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now the transition.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:28 [SPEAKER_07]: All right, let's hear a little bit of still love remains.
01:17:33 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You have steel, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we
01:18:02 --> 01:18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: that was really, really beautiful.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It was really beautiful.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think by sleeping and then like really, I don't know, it's not, yeah, I haven't done deep diving on seal in that album.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's 1998.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I looked, that's my one distraction.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked up the year of it.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I kept thinking of him in the Mountain Dew commercial as a seal.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is really unfortunate.
01:18:24 --> 01:18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably ruined ruined it.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like him as a seal, just thinking that.
01:18:28 --> 01:18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was beautiful.
01:18:29 --> 01:18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The production also is just so just sonically gorgeous.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: His voice is wonderful.
01:18:34 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The songwriting sounds good.
01:18:36 --> 01:18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But just the sound of the like Twinkly piano fading out.
01:18:39 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the guitar starting up.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a nice little bass line in there to a lovely bass line.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I was expecting that.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: No, thank you.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That was pretty cool.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The best.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you ready for this next feedback.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I got the next one.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to read it.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, before you.
01:18:53 --> 01:18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to read this one and then I'll just can I just give a little back.
01:18:56 --> 01:18:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:18:56 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to read it.
01:18:57 --> 01:19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So you remember there was an episode where I talked some smack about barbershoppers or you just barbershop culture.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I lamented their close or fronted conflict in the barbers shop.
01:19:09 --> 01:19:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We did not get much hate mail from that, but you're not.
01:19:15 --> 01:19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone I went, someone I knew when I was a grad student who was a conductor, okay?
01:19:20 --> 01:19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I am a conductor, but I sang in like an alcohol group with her briefly.
01:19:23 --> 01:19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the like that too.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Friend of mine from LA reached out to me.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Saying, hey Mark, remember that barbershop tune you wrote.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you send me a copy?
01:19:32 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: My group wants to learn it.
01:19:34 --> 01:19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
01:19:34 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And this reminded me.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Get that bag.
01:19:37 --> 01:19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: A.
01:19:38 --> 01:19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: that I had written a barbershop song and be that I should get her take on this.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So when I was in an occupying group, this is the way back in college.
01:19:48 --> 01:19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really even know what I was doing about barbershop at that point.
01:19:52 --> 01:19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote this a friend of mine wrote a tune and then I kind of finished the tune and wrote an arrangement of it and my group did it.
01:19:58 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when I moved to LA to do grad school, some of the men in this group we had done split off and learned this song.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not my favorite work, but she asked for it.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I sent it to her and I was like, Sarah, can you listen to this episode and give us your take on my sort of lamenting of the, you know, if you haven't listened to that side track, it's a real short one.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I talk about how much I love the music of barbershop, but kind of felt like worried that the culture was kind of closed mind.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you felt like there was a toxic culture and there's kind of what's back then.
01:20:37 --> 01:20:40 [SPEAKER_03]: It took me a while, but I did get around to listening to your podcast.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I would love for you to come to a barber shop convention with me sometime.
01:20:44 --> 01:20:47 [SPEAKER_03]: parentheses for me, yes please.
01:20:47 --> 01:20:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I think things have continued to change since your college experience.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:54 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of stuff you talk about is real.
01:20:54 --> 01:21:00 [SPEAKER_03]: The tension between people who quote, want to keep it barber shop versus people who want to push the art forward.
01:21:00 --> 01:21:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And also it's a ton of fun.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I sing in a mixed chorus.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, BHS, what does BHS mean, Mark?
01:21:07 --> 01:21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The barbershop harmony society, I think.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Did a whole quote, everyone in harmony thing?
01:21:13 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_03]: No gender at all.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:24 [SPEAKER_03]: With BHS that is competing in Fresno and a few weeks in a women's chorus and sweet addilines that is competing in Columbus at the end of the month.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So sweet addilines is the term for the barbershop competitions and stuff that don't always win.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, women, yes, we talked about that.
01:21:30 --> 01:21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of changes in the past five years have come from a desire to expand or retain membership.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:42 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll different societies who are doing what they can't interest people and it's a really a whole conversation.
01:21:42 --> 01:21:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that thanks to that comment, I think it's really cool when societies can grow and change because they notice that they have to for their survival and I think maybe that's what's happening in the barbershop community.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, should we go to a convention?
01:21:56 --> 01:21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to go to a barbershop convention.
01:21:58 --> 01:22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd want to wear like a hat for cats.
01:22:00 --> 01:22:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I want like a vest in the hat and the suspenders.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Do people wear the outfits?
01:22:04 --> 01:22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I bet they're trying to accommodate newer outfits, too.
01:22:07 --> 01:22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we're so fit.
01:22:08 --> 01:22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Some bell bottoms in there, some wide-eyed jeans, stuff like that.
01:22:12 --> 01:22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, yeah.
01:22:14 --> 01:22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The dapper dance, the Disneyland's still wear that.
01:22:16 --> 01:22:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That outfit, but I bet not everybody does that thing.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:21 [SPEAKER_03]: You think it's kind of an eye roll, right?
01:22:21 --> 01:22:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, dapper dance.
01:22:21 --> 01:22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to go.
01:22:23 --> 01:22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Sarah.
01:22:23 --> 01:22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Hit me up, tell me where to go, where can I meet you?
01:22:25 --> 01:22:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we might have to go to the south of the Midwest or whatever.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like Columbus has one Fresno.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Fresno.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Dead center of California.
01:22:33 --> 01:22:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we have a budget for that?
01:22:34 --> 01:22:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And the our podcast?
01:22:36 --> 01:22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's, let's, let's ask our deans if we get funding from that.
01:22:39 --> 01:22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: just I can put it as like a research.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Take some museum.
01:22:46 --> 01:22:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm wondering if there's barbershop versions of modern pop songs.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's kind of, is that like the.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big part of it now.
01:22:52 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I will say depending on how far they've gone.
01:22:56 --> 01:23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I have tried to do that with pop songs and you fail sometimes, because there are limits to the types of harmonic structure that's.
01:23:03 --> 01:23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And the types of melodies that work for if the barbershop harmony society is still keeping to like the sort of rulebook in terms of what the The rulebook was really important because it's and then that was part of what spun this off and it sounds like they're being more accommodating But there are certain melodies that don't work certain chord progressions that don't work
01:23:22 --> 01:23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: with the sort of types of chord progressions that make sense for barbershop.
01:23:26 --> 01:23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So that would have to change to get certain kinds of modern pop songs in.
01:23:30 --> 01:23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But plenty of pop songs would work.
01:23:33 --> 01:23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at it.
01:23:33 --> 01:23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is what they're doing.
01:23:34 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor Swift barbershoped.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it's out there.
01:23:38 --> 01:23:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:23:38 --> 01:23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And whether it's true barbershop or not is what people are debating.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: From that age.
01:23:44 --> 01:23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm drawn to your podcast because of all the deeply psychotechnical introspection on the music you cover.
01:23:51 --> 01:23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: If he just calls psycho, but I think Mark may have outdone, I shouldn't be reading this.
01:23:55 --> 01:24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Mark made outdone even himself on this last one with his insane mathematical breakdown of lithium.
01:24:01 --> 01:24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing mathematical breakdown being a set theoretical analysis that was fun.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish Kurt was still around to hear that episode.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:11 [SPEAKER_01]: makes my heart like seeing.
01:24:12 --> 01:24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I just need Courtney love to say that.
01:24:14 --> 01:24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Kurt would love this.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I don't think she she's putting this feedback under his pillow and he goes to bed.
01:24:20 --> 01:24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:24:20 --> 01:24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be blown away by all the things he was doing musically that I'm sure he didn't even know about.
01:24:25 --> 01:24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You should charge people to submit their songs to you and have you do like a five to ten minute breakdown of it, not on the podcast, just a private side hustle.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm the only songwriter who would be curious to see what was subconsciously going on in the realms of both psychology and music theory with some compositions from my tattered punk rock you.
01:24:48 --> 01:24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, great show you to our mental and he did call a psycho in the best of ways.
01:24:52 --> 01:24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep it up.
01:24:54 --> 01:24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, should we, should we outsource?
01:24:57 --> 01:25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'd be doing this professionally with you where we're going to take commissions.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because this is just one step closer.
01:25:03 --> 01:25:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, feminist to my tread wife dreams.
01:25:06 --> 01:25:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if I can just do this and we do songs, what, how many thousands per song?
01:25:11 --> 01:25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: $10?
01:25:11 --> 01:25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: $500?
01:25:12 --> 01:25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: $500.
01:25:13 --> 01:25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, like, I don't know.
01:25:14 --> 01:25:17 [SPEAKER_03]: 10 minutes to get paid $250 for 10 minutes or work.
01:25:17 --> 01:25:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's pretty good.
01:25:18 --> 01:25:20 [SPEAKER_03]: That's like $1 a hour, I guess.
01:25:20 --> 01:25:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a math person.
01:25:21 --> 01:25:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't come at me.
01:25:22 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's pretty good.
01:25:23 --> 01:25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, see, this is where it's the magic for you because it's five to ten minutes of you listening to song and singing and where it's it's it's it's three hours of me analyzing the song and and doing research putting the side hustle money aside.
01:25:36 --> 01:25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like because it's not not it's not not it's not real idea however.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If people have songs, like do I earn this question, do I have the capacity if people like send us in their songs to look, I'm a songwriting professor.
01:25:53 --> 01:25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a big part of my job, a giving feedback on it, am I going to give feedback if people want feedback?
01:25:59 --> 01:26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I'll try.
01:26:00 --> 01:26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If I have the capacity, I don't know that we're going to necessarily get a record podcast about it.
01:26:05 --> 01:26:07 [SPEAKER_03]: But like listen to this, an ethical take.
01:26:07 --> 01:26:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, by.
01:26:08 --> 01:26:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Have the students do it.
01:26:09 --> 01:26:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Meaning people send in songs.
01:26:12 --> 01:26:14 [SPEAKER_03]: We have our students analyze them.
01:26:14 --> 01:26:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We like that look, look it over.
01:26:15 --> 01:26:16 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll give it a once over.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: My songwriting class has to like tell us why.
01:26:19 --> 01:26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: What was good about it?
01:26:20 --> 01:26:22 [SPEAKER_03]: My pathology classes or whatever.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Talk about like, yeah, whatever.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we get the money and never give it to the students.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:32 [SPEAKER_03]: But we're at the end of our semester.
01:26:32 --> 01:26:33 [SPEAKER_03]: We have some to late.
01:26:33 --> 01:26:34 [SPEAKER_03]: We need to to reset.
01:26:35 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think.
01:26:36 --> 01:26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, if some of you are songwriters or creators, share your music, we will tell everybody, go listen, we might play clips even on some mailbox, if the vibe is right for like the question, I can't promise I'm going to do a full never mind the music episode analysis, but if I have the capacity, I will gladly give you
01:26:56 --> 01:26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: nerdy feedback.
01:26:57 --> 01:26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a fun idea.
01:26:58 --> 01:27:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm going to start out of time.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this don't forget this is the size of the soul.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:04 [SPEAKER_06]: That age is really bad.
01:27:05 --> 01:27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, okay, making money.
01:27:08 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If people write in music, I'd be happy to hear it.
01:27:11 --> 01:27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I might, if you want me, I'm not even tell you why that chord resolves to the other chord.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's work on like merch first.
01:27:19 --> 01:27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
01:27:19 --> 01:27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We people.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: people talk about our logo like great logo is the best and it's our logo is so good my friend are you made our logo are so bad go to heart agency if you need marketing for your real estate development because that's her real job that holy cow does she do a good podcast logo and band logo yeah
01:27:41 --> 01:27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Slacket MX Flakey or Avatar Slacky Slacky is she's probably not going to listen to this, but Slacky was literally built like the Slacket MX logo is not a graphic design thing.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It is something pressed into like metal like a label maker like she built her own stand.
01:27:57 --> 01:27:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool.
01:27:58 --> 01:27:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let'sograph.
01:27:59 --> 01:28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what it is?
01:28:00 --> 01:28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: She would know.
01:28:02 --> 01:28:05 [SPEAKER_03]: You are going to have merch for your album and your band.
01:28:05 --> 01:28:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We already have band costumes.
01:28:08 --> 01:28:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we don't have much to do, but
01:28:11 --> 01:28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:13 [SPEAKER_03]: You should do it in music.
01:28:13 --> 01:28:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:28:13 --> 01:28:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Next comment.
01:28:15 --> 01:28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And I did include a second from Nancy, because Nancy gathers all the feedback for all the Laura Hound's podcast.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The least we can do is include a second content for the Chronicles, hand to the pod.
01:28:26 --> 01:28:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Mark and Nicole.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So excited when I saw the title of your episode.
01:28:30 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_03]: What a great song to focus on.
01:28:33 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_03]: kiss from a rose.
01:28:34 --> 01:28:41 [SPEAKER_03]: At the start of the episode, you were figuring out which pop cover to listen to, and I was thinking, you put a spell on me, and Nicole picked that one, and I started to giggle.
01:28:42 --> 01:28:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Nicole, we are so in sync, not just about picking that specific song, but the fact that I, too, would have started off the podcast with Heidi, the Heidi Clume Divores.
01:28:51 --> 01:28:56 [SPEAKER_03]: As an aside, I'm learning, I'm working with Nancy closely on the Lohan's floor of this coverage.
01:28:56 --> 01:29:02 [SPEAKER_03]: We're very in sync as individuals and so happy to have gotten to know her and never what happened without this podcast.
01:29:03 --> 01:29:03 [SPEAKER_03]: She goes on.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, at the risk of asking you to talk about Taylor Swift again, and thank you for the bedding inclusion.
01:29:09 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a possible topic.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the new TS album.
01:29:14 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_03]: There has been, of course, a lot of fan reaction to it.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Some of what I've read are from people who want her to be more serious about songwriting like she was on torture poets.
01:29:23 --> 01:29:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw her doing interview where she said tortured poets was superior for life where she was unhappy.
01:29:28 --> 01:29:33 [SPEAKER_03]: First show girl she says she was in a very happy space so with the music is mostly happy.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:38 [SPEAKER_03]: What is it about songwriting and exposing a person's soul and feeling in mood?
01:29:38 --> 01:29:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Are there chords or progressions that express sadness or happiness?
01:29:42 --> 01:29:46 [SPEAKER_03]: How does this affect brain or emotions of songwriter and the listener?
01:29:46 --> 01:29:58 [SPEAKER_03]: In particular, when there's almost a bipolar feeling and listening to the last two albums, just an idea as I thought that would be interesting, it is in no way a backdoor attempt at another Taylor Swift episode.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:02 [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, again, thank you for changing the way and listening to music.
01:30:02 --> 01:30:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I love your podcast.
01:30:03 --> 01:30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That last line, Holy cow, changing the way.
01:30:05 --> 01:30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully for the better, everybody.
01:30:06 --> 01:30:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
01:30:07 --> 01:30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Nancy.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not know we were going to have already talked about the tale.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But by the time I would have put this feedback earlier, I think the reason I put this in separate, as it kind of, we're basically at the end here, a wrap-up, is this whole question of chords and progressions that express sadness or happiness, like,
01:30:25 --> 01:30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And kind of, that's what the podcast is.
01:30:28 --> 01:30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:30:28 --> 01:30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what I'm doing is finding a cool musical thing and we're talking about the emotional effect it has.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And so specifically I can call out, there's a chord move that we just learned in my second level theory class like a month ago that I call and class the sad button.
01:30:49 --> 01:30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a 15, if you're in a major key, maybe I'll pipe in an example.
01:30:53 --> 01:31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Take it at every party, cause I don't want it to do us dance Now my baby's dancing, but she's dancing with another man
01:31:08 --> 01:31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... if you're in a major key going from the forecourt to the minor forecourt and back to the one court or even better the forecourt to the two half diminished uh... borrowed who does possibly in first inversion where the melody goes to ramey and it's just the sad button or
01:31:26 --> 01:31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look back on like classical music or even earlier in that, or even contemporary, people often describe the sigh motive, which is a falling half-step.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go, duh, duh, duh, duh.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It just evokes sadness.
01:31:40 --> 01:31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So the answer is kind of yes.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There are.
01:31:43 --> 01:31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: things that, whether it's for culture or because we're socialized or whether there's an actual like biochemical response to the physics of a resolution or something, there are things that seem to provoke.
01:31:59 --> 01:32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: emotional reactions and little by little, we're uncovering what those are.
01:32:03 --> 01:32:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and I'll address Nancy's question about this like bipolar feeling of albums.
01:32:07 --> 01:32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're all, we're talking about the clinical, we don't, we're not.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, we're not trying to.
01:32:13 --> 01:32:14 [SPEAKER_03]: You were using your vocabulary.
01:32:14 --> 01:32:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, like everyone's bipolar.
01:32:16 --> 01:32:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone has highs and lows, right?
01:32:17 --> 01:32:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just when the highs and lows get maladaptive and really negatively affect your quality of life.
01:32:24 --> 01:32:27 [SPEAKER_03]: That's when we need to like have intervention, right?
01:32:27 --> 01:32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: We know that musicians are real people, Taylor Swift is a real person.
01:32:30 --> 01:32:35 [SPEAKER_03]: She has highs and lows and she uses songwriting as catharsis to process her feelings.
01:32:35 --> 01:32:41 [SPEAKER_03]: That's very, very healthy expression of happiness and sadness and promoting those feelings.
01:32:41 --> 01:32:42 [SPEAKER_03]: So,
01:32:42 --> 01:32:49 [SPEAKER_03]: It makes sense that when she was going through torture poetry, she had a lot of really intense feelings that she needed to get out of her body.
01:32:49 --> 01:32:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And she did that through song, just as other people do that through exercise or writing or dancing or whatever.
01:32:55 --> 01:32:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And then for show girl, she is markedly happier.
01:32:58 --> 01:33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: She's just getting the frustration out.
01:33:00 --> 01:33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: She's just by hanging out with.
01:33:02 --> 01:33:04 [SPEAKER_03]: She's gotten something.
01:33:04 --> 01:33:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And it seems to be working for her.
01:33:06 --> 01:33:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, another reflective in the writing.
01:33:08 --> 01:33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The Kansas City Chiefs.
01:33:09 --> 01:33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: not in their usual dominant.
01:33:11 --> 01:33:13 [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's sad about it.
01:33:13 --> 01:33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He needed a little bit of unresolved tension and romantic discontent to be as I don't know.
01:33:22 --> 01:33:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I feel like you should have called it and I think he knows it too.
01:33:26 --> 01:33:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you should have called it last season.
01:33:28 --> 01:33:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're saying as retire not break up with Taylor.
01:33:32 --> 01:33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's for all career.
01:33:33 --> 01:33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:33:34 --> 01:33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, we'll see.
01:33:35 --> 01:33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this episode comes out like less next week.
01:33:37 --> 01:33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know that much, but as of now, the chiefs are not Not like certainly not leading the division.
01:33:41 --> 01:33:43 [SPEAKER_03]: The paths are doing great, though, Guy.
01:33:43 --> 01:33:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:33:43 --> 01:33:44 [SPEAKER_03]: That's yeah.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a great thing.
01:33:45 --> 01:33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: My son is full on Patriots fan.
01:33:47 --> 01:33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Gosh.
01:33:48 --> 01:33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I am a long time AFC West fan, and so it's still a little bit like I'm just in for the snacks.
01:33:55 --> 01:33:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's pretty.
01:33:56 --> 01:33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of nice.
01:33:57 --> 01:34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty much freelance football at this point because I was obsessed with I would really some of my earliest podcasting like late 2000s.
01:34:05 --> 01:34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I was such a hardcore San Diego Chargers fan even though it's living in LA and by our shop court heading and that was
01:34:12 --> 01:34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of barbershop quartet era too.
01:34:14 --> 01:34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would listen to like, I was so in a football that I would listen to like a podcast deconstructing the defensive ends in the draft that we're next month in which one should the chargers get?
01:34:25 --> 01:34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the next week they would do the offensive tackles.
01:34:28 --> 01:34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And like two hours just on low-hounds, you are nothing.
01:34:32 --> 01:34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, my close to real sports podcast in terms of how crazy detail people will get and obsessive and this is And people don't quote code that is nerdy.
01:34:41 --> 01:34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the funny thing.
01:34:42 --> 01:34:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like annoying because it's pretty nerdy I don't want to talk about politics right now, but this idea of like we've feminized society and all these and it's like
01:34:51 --> 01:35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: how much more bro can you be than a then me listening to a two-hour podcast but defense event gender distinctions are in no danger of falling away this culture my son is so obsessed with sports even though we tried to be very like holistic oh yeah we're not gonna push any mail meant like gender is not in danger because we've decided to use pronouns and why is feminizing society like a bad thing
01:35:20 --> 01:35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the real question by the way.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Why is that so bad?
01:35:25 --> 01:35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason I think it would be pretty great.
01:35:28 --> 01:35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I no longer am a, I don't, I like the charges, but they left for LA and my, oh, my family and friends and San Diego swore them off.
01:35:37 --> 01:35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, that was around when I moved to Boston, and I couldn't watch them anyways.
01:35:42 --> 01:35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've kind of stopped watching NFL and now that, and I, for a decade hated the Patriots, because they were too good, I was jealous of them, right?
01:35:50 --> 01:35:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like why people don't like Californians.
01:35:53 --> 01:35:53 [SPEAKER_01]: same thing.
01:35:53 --> 01:36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, but so now my son is like obsessed, and I'm like, guess I'm watching the Patriots now, but it's kind of nice being a freelancer, because I don't have to deal with the heartache of being a football fan.
01:36:04 --> 01:36:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you have to deal with his heartache, which is probably more activating for you.
01:36:08 --> 01:36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
01:36:08 --> 01:36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So so one more piece of feedback.
01:36:11 --> 01:36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh, and I'm not going to read the feedback because the truth is it was just a whole thing on discord back in November.
01:36:19 --> 01:36:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I still haven't ever listened to it.
01:36:22 --> 01:36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what we're going to do.
01:36:23 --> 01:36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking my phone off.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Solidies on discord.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: What is this ghostly moan in the background and it was like a round Halloween too and like right after Halloween.
01:36:34 --> 01:36:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I couldn't figure it out like was this moaning.
01:36:37 --> 01:36:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember which episode this is, but we're gonna listen.
01:36:40 --> 01:36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know what you're talking about, please.
01:36:43 --> 01:36:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Send me an audio.
01:36:44 --> 01:36:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Send me an audio work and my phone's pinging with like this moan game.
01:36:47 --> 01:36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Solidies did.
01:36:48 --> 01:36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's it.
01:36:49 --> 01:36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Here.
01:36:49 --> 01:36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's listen.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: way, out of here the better for my point of view, but it's true.
01:36:56 --> 01:36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was our episode speaking of sports with Steve.
01:36:59 --> 01:37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, Hogan, Organist of the San Francisco Giants and my former boss at Pandora, and apparently there's a ghostly haunted moan in the background.
01:37:08 --> 01:37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen again, I couldn't hear it for like a million.
01:37:12 --> 01:37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, out of here the better for my point of view,
01:37:19 --> 01:37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: My like it's me going Kind of my guess.
01:37:23 --> 01:37:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I was so mad that he didn't like manipulate the audience What were you talking about like when you see an audience get riled up like do you try to melodimel or do you try to ramp up the audience with your Organing and he's like know the more rowdy the better And I was like what did oh and there's a ghost here.
01:37:38 --> 01:37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This is monegate by the way Okay, I said the ghost sounds Well, one more time
01:37:47 --> 01:37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It became clear that what we're talking about is Nicole's lively inhalation.
01:37:53 --> 01:37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, cool.
01:37:57 --> 01:37:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Fresh.
01:37:57 --> 01:38:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a hard time breathing sometimes.
01:38:01 --> 01:38:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep yelling.
01:38:01 --> 01:38:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just do it over and over and over again.
01:38:04 --> 01:38:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
01:38:06 --> 01:38:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Fresh.
01:38:08 --> 01:38:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
01:38:10 --> 01:38:10 [SPEAKER_03]: fresh.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm actually going to do something else to me.
01:38:14 --> 01:38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to.
01:38:15 --> 01:38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I was.
01:38:17 --> 01:38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I should.
01:38:18 --> 01:38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been listening.
01:38:20 --> 01:38:20 [SPEAKER_08]: He can.
01:38:20 --> 01:38:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, what are you writing?
01:38:22 --> 01:38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Stop.
01:38:24 --> 01:38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Should I do.
01:38:24 --> 01:38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Should I just do that?
01:38:25 --> 01:38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What I just did or should I just compress it and just loop the.
01:38:28 --> 01:38:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Just loop so bad.
01:38:33 --> 01:38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: If you hear low grumbles, it's me laughing under my breath.
01:38:36 --> 01:38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If you hear, it's not the coal moaning.
01:38:39 --> 01:38:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a ghost.
01:38:40 --> 01:38:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the coal in hailing effectively.
01:38:43 --> 01:38:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Possibly with an air of like resolve and disappointment that our guests didn't manipulate the crowd with this music.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:52 [SPEAKER_03]: That was for the internal thing that was happening.
01:38:52 --> 01:38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted him to kind of throw the Giants fans under the
01:38:54 --> 01:38:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted him to like one time they started beating up the nazi thing.
01:38:57 --> 01:39:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Because he was so much power in that role and I was like, how do you not use that power?
01:39:01 --> 01:39:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, no, I was just, I mean, he was, he was great.
01:39:05 --> 01:39:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It was really interesting.
01:39:06 --> 01:39:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like wished that he manipulated the crowd more.
01:39:09 --> 01:39:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I would.
01:39:10 --> 01:39:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Wouldn't you?
01:39:10 --> 01:39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know.
01:39:13 --> 01:39:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I feel like that's all I'm ever doing is trying to.
01:39:16 --> 01:39:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess same.
01:39:18 --> 01:39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I play this to try to get a laugh, right?
01:39:20 --> 01:39:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it didn't work.
01:39:21 --> 01:39:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Some people laughed.
01:39:22 --> 01:39:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I am mortified, so I'm not.
01:39:24 --> 01:39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I was been right in.
01:39:25 --> 01:39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:39:25 --> 01:39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to write in, you can get on our next male bag.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We do them every few months.
01:39:30 --> 01:39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's been a long time.
01:39:33 --> 01:39:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But looking forward to the next one, everybody.
01:39:35 --> 01:39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Never music pod at Gmail, et cetera.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out a Slack Ademics by the time this comes out, we're a week away from our second single, actually.
01:39:42 --> 01:39:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to do an album release party?
01:39:44 --> 01:39:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Like can we a touring?
01:39:46 --> 01:39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been talking about that tour, at least like the East Coast thing is probably happening in the spring or something.
01:39:52 --> 01:39:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But the literally one of our people is out of the country, the week the album comes out.
01:39:56 --> 01:40:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not going to do, if we do it, we will do an album release thing, but it's not going to be like the day I've already like that.
01:40:02 --> 01:40:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Or like that week, it's going to have to wait a little bit.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The press is just going to have to chill.
01:40:07 --> 01:40:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't have to, and just be chomping at the bit.
01:40:10 --> 01:40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's not Penny's both.
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