What’s the perfect playlist to bring you from rage to bliss? This week, we welcome writer and Tedx speaker Sadie Higgins. Sadie talks to us about how we can use music in our everyday lives to regulate our emotions and find a sense of community. Will Nichole actually sing on-mic? Join us for a fun conversation that proves that [spoiler] music is… good!
Music heard in this episode: Harry Styles - “Grapejuice”, Harry Styles - “Fine Line”, Next - “Too Close”, 3 Doors Down - “Kryponite”, Buffalo Springfield - “For What It’s Worth”, Beyoncé - “Crazy in Love (feat. Jay-Z)”, HQ Binaural Beats - “Theta Wave 2.0”
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: for anyone listening, pick whatever it is that you want to feel.
00:04 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I want you to just monotone if you need to, how meant, like, this is gonna be fun.
00:12 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, is it, baby?
00:15 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you.
00:16 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole, don't forget.
00:19 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I can just auto tune it all later.
00:20 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget.
00:21 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
00:21 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to keep paying that.
00:22 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Because perfection is what the standard that we need everybody to have, right?
00:37 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'm Nicole, and I'm Mark, and this is never mind the music.
00:41 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_00]: My turn for the first time.
00:44 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are we talking to today in a call?
00:46 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
00:47 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Great job, Mark.
00:48 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Today we're talking to my friend, Sadie Higgins.
00:51 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Sadie is a writer, a public speaker, an advocate for health and wellness.
00:55 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_02]: She talks about using music for emotional regulation and interpersonal connection and just some really cool work around using music to regulate her nervous system and she's going to talk to us about how we can all do that and empower us a little bit.
01:10 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I have that right, Sadie?
01:12 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
01:13 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They only part that I sort of cringe at now and we're gonna probably talk about this is the wellness part.
01:20 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I realized that throughout this process of using that wellness tramp we've heard repeatedly over and over, it's almost been shut down our fruits in a way.
01:29 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm trying to steer away from that and just use music for joy, for daily, like a most of regulation and living our lives,
01:38 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I found along the way that people are really busy, really burnt out, and to add wellness to the routine feels like wellness burnout too.
01:50 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what I try to do is to share how music doesn't need to necessarily be one thing that we add to our list every day, but just something we can do in the moment as we're on the go.
02:03 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think because we're all listening to music, well, I know me in Mark Shore as an I sure am and most people music might just be like running in the background.
02:11 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So how I interpret your work is you're taking that stuff that's running in the background and adding a lot of intention to it and adding some mindfulness to it, which is another overused buzzword, I think, too.
02:23 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But in a way that we listen to music intentionally for purpose to like enhance our lives.
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really interested in like the intentionality of that work.
02:32 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Hold up.
02:32 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we back over a second?
02:33 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, welcome to the podcast.
02:36 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We have some housekeeping.
02:37 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There's always that how do you know each other thing.
02:40 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But first of all, just just so I'm understanding, are you saying music is good?
02:43 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we're already 90 episodes deep, and I feel like we haven't really settled on that as established.
02:48 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Fact yet, music is a good thing that can help people be happy.
02:53 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
02:54 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
02:54 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He's amazing.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an amazing.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an amazing.
02:58 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I feel like we can move on.
03:00 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So I got to ask, how do you the two of you know each other?
03:02 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I've had old housemates, old bosses on this pod.
03:05 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had other podcasters.
03:07 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we have a TEDx.
03:10 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: alumnus with us, which folks we can shout out that.
03:13 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good intro to Sadie, I think, for people to check out after the pod.
03:17 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But how do the two of you know each other just from the sort of brain space?
03:21 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so our kids go to the same music school.
03:25 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: which is a really lovely community in our region.
03:29 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to say, Sadie, I don't know if I ever told you this, but I was like cruising you as a friend for about a year before we start talking to each other.
03:37 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's weird in those spaces, like once you start talking, then it's like you always have to talk.
03:42 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes,
03:43 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Even me, I don't want to talk all the time, but I like loved your vibe and I loved your style, your kids seem really great.
03:49 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I think this could be my friends, like I think that we're friends and we just don't know it yet.
03:54 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we got to talking and realized, yes, we are friends, we just didn't know it yet.
04:01 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we started like,
04:03 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: co-working together, like we'd meet at coffee shops and just work next to each other, which I found really productive.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
04:10 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was sharing like a personal story of mine, I shared it on the pod in our songs that make us cry, episode where I was talking with Billie Eilish is the third year then.
04:20 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_02]: How after I had my baby, I had like a really intense brain injury.
04:25 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And usually when I meet new friends, I give them a podcast, to listen to that I was a guest on, that explained that whole experience.
04:31 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, I don't have to do it every day.
04:33 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I just say, listen to this podcast.
04:34 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So I showed her the website of that other podcast.
04:38 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And she says, oh, I know them.
04:40 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I did that girl's makeup for that picture on the website.
04:45 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And these are like old, old family friends of ours.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It was wild.
04:49 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we were talking about all of the mutual friends in that circle.
04:53 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_02]: One girl specifically, her brother had this brain injury.
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's all I really knew that something was going on with this brain.
05:00 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was really intense.
05:01 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And I connected to that, because I had this really intense brain thing too.
05:05 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And say, yeah, that's my husband.
05:08 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm that guy's wife.
05:10 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I connected your last names that you have the same last name and I just never put it together.
05:14 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So, turns out we are friends.
05:17 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We just didn't know it yet.
05:18 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:19 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think everything that happened in our little circle was serendipitous.
05:24 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So, our first conversation was about music.
05:28 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember sitting beside you and you were talking about music and I started talking about it and then you said, oh, I have a podcast and then I remember that conversation very vividly with the tumor situation.
05:40 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was just full circle.
05:42 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot and Sadie and I both have the same affliction that we can't do small talk.
05:45 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So we just even in our casual in-passing conversations, it was just
05:51 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: zero to 60 real quick like we got to know each other real quick because we're impossible it's saying like what's the weather today like that's not the vibe but our honestly you go to so many live shows I love live music too and I think that that was our initial connection when it's cool when you meet someone in a similar demographic that's still loves live music and you always kept saying that's like mantra you had like bring your kids to live shows and we never I think about like oh should I bring my kids to the show or not I hear your voice saying bring them to the show like always bring your kids to live music
06:20 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm thankful for your friendship and I'm thankful for that mantra.
06:24 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And then when I realize that you do a lot of research, research is a strong where you don't like it when we call it research, I don't think, but you do do a lot of time.
06:33 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
06:34 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Around topics that I'm very passionate about, like using music to regulate our brains and our bodies.
06:41 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: and you found a lot of personal connection to that.
06:43 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's just really cool.
06:44 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So when Mark said, let's have guests on, you're the first person I thought of and I'm so glad that you're here and can share some insights with us about how music and wellness, so we need a better word.
06:59 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I know you've got a book coming up that we can pivot to talking about that.
07:03 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think folks that want a good primer and stop me if this is two old news.
07:07 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But a year or so ago you did a TEDx talk at That's in college.
07:12 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's on YouTube and you're getting really into talking about Harry Styles as grape juice.
07:17 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you actually list a few things that like can directly help your physical and mental health.
07:23 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of those is going to concerts.
07:25 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah.
07:26 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think folks that are interested, I'm sure it's on your website, but also just a search away, Sadie Higgins on YouTube, right?
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll show up that TEDx talk.
07:34 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Super fascinating, not too long either.
07:36 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like less than 20 minutes.
07:37 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:38 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
07:39 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Where do you want to go with this conversation?
07:40 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Should we deconstruct the Harry Styles tune and why exactly the chords make you feel a certain way or that's a different episode probably.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
07:48 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I think that's a great way of a place to start that became my why.
07:53 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: didn't become Sadie Sadie music lady until after that happened.
07:57 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll paint the picture.
07:59 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I was living with my sister-in-law with three children under the age of eight at the time, while we were demolishing her home and rebuilding it during a pandemic.
08:10 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And my sister-in-law happened to be a COVID ICU nurse.
08:13 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So things were really easy and there was no stress at home at all.
08:19 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was also building a start-up at the time, so things are really stressful and I found myself constantly thinking, like, what's next?
08:26 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we have to do?
08:27 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What do I have to check off?
08:28 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember picking my son up from music lessons where I met Nicole, and he plays the drums, and I asked him what he played that day, and he said, great something by Harry Styles, I think.
09:12 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really didn't know who that was at the time, but I was game to listen to anything.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I played it.
09:18 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And part of it might have been because at the time, we were listening to the Frozen 2 soundtrack over and playing for guys.
09:25 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_03]: This is my daughter.
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much, Robin.
09:29 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So this, this was something fresh and it was something new and it just stopped us all in our tracks.
09:36 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so visceral that, I mean, I really remember swaying back and forth and I looked in the car and every single kid was like, pop in or move into the beat.
09:46 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, I wasn't really thinking of anything except for the music.
09:50 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like instant meditation, like it took me out of my to-do list and brought me into the moment.
09:57 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hadn't done that in such a long time that I respected whatever was happening.
10:03 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted, I was curious, I wanted to know more.
10:06 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So we continue to listen to that album and it just it brought a lot of joy to all of us and I found myself seeking more moments of joy and more moments of how can I just be present without I got to do this I got to do that and we began having dance parties and we'd sing with spatulas in the living room and it connected us in a way that we hadn't connected in a while.
10:33 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So that brought me on this path to there's got to be something to this.
10:39 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the science behind it?
10:42 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: What are the reasons music can take us out of our thoughts and just let us be in the moment?
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And the truth is, is that
10:51 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I have a hard time calling it wellness because of, you know, it's a such a saturated market, but it is a form of meditation.
11:00 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And if we can listen intentionally, I love that word that you use Nicole, then it's zero effort almost.
11:07 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you put some headphones in and you listen for,
11:11 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: one song, two songs, three songs, and instantly you can call your nervous system.
11:18 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, that is perfect for a person whose life feels like it's on fire.
11:25 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an easy thing to go to.
11:28 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_02]: In your TED Talk, you mentioned that you have certain playlists for certain feelings and I love the idea of that and we explored in a previous episode here like songs that make us cry and when I re-watched your TED Talk in advance of this I was starting to think like what I have songs that make me feel genuinely happy or songs that make me feel rage or anger or sorrow or grief.
11:55 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd love to explore that a little bit with you like this idea of, you know, playlist, when you need to rage out like for you, what are some songs that are on that playlist that can like bring up that feeling for you?
12:06 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:07 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I have a lot of more set playing, my husband knows these in trouble.
12:11 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Or just like stay away.
12:14 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I also am an M&M listener.
12:16 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I am really angry, that gets it out.
12:20 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll blast it and I'll scream the lyrics that I know.
12:24 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm terribly, I'm terribly, I accept one of the things.
12:26 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's silly being the music person, but I love this idea of having a playlist for every emotion.
12:33 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And then to go once up further, I love a playlist that uses the ISO principle, which is a fancy word for meeting you where you are, having a song meet you where you are.
12:45 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So say, you're really sad and you're looking to cry.
12:49 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the song that helps you get there or just validates what you're feeling.
12:54 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And then.
12:55 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: At the end, ultimately, maybe you want to feel happy because you've got, you know, to go pick your kids up or you got to go to work, you have a meeting, you'll want a few songs in between to gradually get you there.
13:07 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So you want to play song that matches that sadness feeling.
13:11 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So those, I mean, it's not gonna probably be M&M, right?
13:15 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But whatever works for you that,
13:17 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: matches that sad mood for me.
13:19 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine line by Harry Styles or like bridge over troubled water.
13:23 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably you have a playlist right for songs to cry too.
13:26 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And then something joyful at the end.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So it could be you know a little more up tempo.
13:33 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You probably want to have two or three songs in between.
13:36 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're taking a total of let's say 10 minutes to the most 15 minutes to go from feeling really to
13:43 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: sad and really upset to now joyful and like ready to move about your day without shoving those feelings to the side and that's what emotional regulation is.
13:54 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's acknowledging how you're feeling and processing how you're feeling, validating it before moving on.
14:00 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_02]: That's cognitive behavioral therapy skills that you're talking about.
14:03 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like an acceptance and commitment therapy where you're naming the feeling you're feeling it and you're honoring yourself to allow yourself to feel that way, but also notice that you don't want to be here forever.
14:15 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So how do we temper and change?
14:17 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And to use music as a way to temper that emotional regulation is very accessible and really helps take these, like, some people think of them as really like,
14:42 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: to help us manage our lives more effectively.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We cannot, it is important to feel sadness.
14:48 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It is maladaptive should be sad all the time.
14:51 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not helpful for us.
14:52 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting also because you're talking about the transitional space between the emotions.
14:57 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's something that is often ignored or sort of overlooked.
15:00 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we think about, oh, I want to song that's gonna make me happy, or I want to song that's gonna make me pumped up at the gym.
15:06 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But you mentioned the birth of this for your own experience being in COVID and part of what made COVID times so hard as a parent of young kids who was working was that there was no transitional space.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There were no little spaces, right?
15:19 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, I would go from a teaching or class.
15:22 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Step outside the room, go to dealing with a five-year-old in a two-year-old, that we're having whatever needs they have, and then step back into that room, and have to be in a meeting with my boss, and just completely code switching immediately, and so it's that emotions don't work like that.
15:38 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't be like upset with my family situation because there's chaos or whatever, and then turn around and talk about student learning assessment with my boss.
15:48 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are completely different.
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: spaces.
15:50 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this this idea that you're going to not expect the music.
15:53 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I will play happy song and now I'm happy.
15:56 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't expect that what you need is to bring yourself to that.
15:59 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that like meet you where you are.
16:01 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I needed to bring my toddler into the meeting with my boss and have that be a moment.
16:07 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm that silly, but like actually probably would have worked.
16:11 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And then okay now, daughter, you can wander off.
16:14 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to have this meeting, but we
16:17 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got, I didn't even mention the lack of a car commute.
16:20 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I realized, I don't even have that long of a commute, but that commute was my transitional space.
16:25 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I found that during COVID too that that was the hardest part was that instant code switching of like you usually do have a car rider or train rider even a walk.
16:34 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_02]: between classes, or between your office and class, or whatever.
16:38 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And those are times that you can process and decompress.
16:40 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think COVID was so stressful for traumatic for all of us, like, firstly, and also not giving ourselves that kindness to have transition moments.
16:50 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_02]: added so much more stress because you were just constantly going.
16:53 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's an interesting motif to overlay the principles that they're just discussing here of like allowing for a slow transition and giving ourselves the grace and time to do that.
17:03 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I think what you're sharing, Mark, is a really relatable experience.
17:06 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we don't talk about that as being a hard part of COVID,
17:09 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: for me it was and for you it was and say to him for you can you know feel those same feelings too otherwise you wouldn't be doing the work you're doing right yeah and i think it's important too that you know you mentioned being angry and how it's not it doesn't feel good to be angry for hours right it doesn't feel good to to be sad for hours on end but music gives us this time period so
17:36 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You want, you don't want a wallow because that's actually not good for you either and you don't want to rage for several hours on end because that's also not great.
17:45 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So this gives you the opportunity to honor what you're feeling and then move on to the next either come down from it or you know alter your emotions to a happier and more joyful state depending on what you need.
18:13 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole mentioned our podcast from last month about songs that make us cry and one of the things we laughed onto was yeah it's really just context right so how much of your experience when you're thinking about this is the music itself versus someone's emotional connection to that music right like I'm weeping about this punk rock song about the Holocaust and she's bone dry and then she's
18:43 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, zoning and not thinking about it.
18:45 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I laughed at you, Marco, wasn't both.
18:46 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You laughed at me, I laughed at you, which is so mean.
18:50 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You seem to be alluding to like emotional connections to the music itself, but I imagine that's completely personal, right?
18:57 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't just go on Apple music and find a playlist that is get you from happy to sad, because not everybody finds the same thing's happy, right?
19:05 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That is so right.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's exactly right.
19:08 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Now what you can do is explore.
19:10 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You can explore using those playlists to figure out what moves you.
19:14 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have a starting point, but yeah, it is music is so personal that it's never going to be the same for everyone.
19:23 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So I know people in the past have said, can you create a playlist for me that will take me double transition and
19:29 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you like.
19:30 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who you are as a person.
19:32 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what songs have made you cry in the past or you have a connection to, you know, seeing your grandfather for the last time.
19:40 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, music is very personal.
19:43 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the song fine line that I was talking about by Harry Styles.
20:09 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I listened to that.
20:10 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The night my husband was diagnosed with a brain tumor.
20:13 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I finally could decompress.
20:15 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I was with him all day in the ER.
20:17 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, my sister-in-law had taken my free kids for me while we were trying to figure out what to do.
20:22 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he was admitted and I didn't know when I was going to see
20:25 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And so when you hold it together for so long throughout the day, I knew I needed to release somehow.
20:32 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And that happened to be live streaming from some show in Brazil or something like that.
20:39 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And that song happened to play.
20:42 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just solved the entire five minutes.
20:45 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And now every time I hear that song, I immediately start to well-ups, like Pavlov's theory, right?
20:51 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as we hear this certain sound, it's going to do that for you.
20:55 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't mean that everyone in the world is going to have that same connection.
20:59 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Mark, as you said, exploring playlists for, you know, chill music or really joyful music.
21:07 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And so good place to start if you don't already
21:12 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: general.
21:12 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some people who aren't that musical.
21:15 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some people music is kind of a background noise to them.
21:18 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to try this in your life, really just play around for a little bit until you find something that works.
21:24 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I thought was interesting in your TEDx.
21:28 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You were talking about tempos that can sometimes map to emotion.
21:33 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, if I could add, add to your pile of research for future TEDx talks, I don't know that it's the tempo or if it's the parts that are accented within the beat.
21:42 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause like, sorry, I did what I do.
21:46 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought of like, what's a song that makes me wanna move, right?
21:50 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And to me, I went all the way back to like, prom, like, prototypical late 90s, early 2000s R&B.
21:57 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So next two close, okay?
22:00 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So 99 beats per minute.
22:02 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that song.
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll play a clip.
22:04 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_00]: 99 beats per minute.
22:05 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what else is 99 beats per minute?
22:08 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Three doors down is kryptonite.
22:10 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That song does not make me like wanna, like they're not talking about grinding in that song and there's a good reason because it's not really a dance song.
22:18 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like an alternative rock song, right?
22:20 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So what it's worth, Buffalo Springfield.
22:22 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Great song, not really groovy.
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Beyonce, crazy in love.
22:26 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You really wanna move to that.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So those songs all have the same tempo.
22:30 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like it's the tempo, but it's the way the tempo is reflected by the accents within the beat, right?
22:36 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_03]: If I go crazy then will you still call me Superman?
22:50 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_03]: If I'm alive and when will you be there or hold in my head?
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh children, what's that sound?
22:58 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody look what's going on?
23:17 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: try to categorize the things that create this emotional content, like, oh, this chord is really sad, but ultimately it's kind of too complex, right?
23:25 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There's lyrics also, there's the melody, the shape of the melody, the way the vocalist or the instrumentalists are expressing the emotions, right?
23:32 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to make it all scientific and program an AI to tell me what songs are sad, but there's like something else in there.
23:40 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so many variables combining.
23:42 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
23:42 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There are so many variables.
23:43 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some songs that I love that are that aren't around 120 beats per minute.
23:48 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good starting point for people because that's kind of where our pop songs live and that's the happy of the 120.
23:55 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's around 120.
23:56 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I prefer more like 140 to really get any movement.
23:59 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Just I feel like around 140 you're not really getting like a chill or a
24:04 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: slower sound to it.
24:06 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's that is all like the technical nitty gritty.
24:09 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of like a a starting point for people to explore.
24:14 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're right, there is no specific, hey, this is the sauce, right?
24:18 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We put this ingredient and this tempo and this lyric together.
24:22 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you've got the voila, the perfect, this is going to get you moving every single time.
24:26 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it might not just
24:29 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why music is tough, it's amazing, but it's also really tough because you have to find works for you.
24:35 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we layer our personal experience.
24:37 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when Mark was talking about crazy and love, that was my early 2000s college pump-up jam and we were going out for it.
24:43 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'd put that on when we were getting ready.
24:45 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And then one time I was with a friend getting ready and she goes, I can't listen to that song.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: She got so depressed.
24:50 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_02]: She could remind you her of an ex or somehow he was literally crazy and love and it was really bad for her.
24:56 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And it speaks to your point that it's not just the BPMs,
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to say, I've never paid attention.
25:03 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys pay attention to that stuff.
25:05 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really impressive.
25:06 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never even had, well, Mark makes me have these thoughts, but I've never like analyzed what BPM is my preference.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So good for you guys.
25:15 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's more than that.
25:16 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It is about the nuance of our lived experience, which just adds so much color to this idea of live music and sharing performance with each other, and how you can be in spaces with people that,
25:31 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_02]: tens of thousands of people, or, you know, a thousand, two thousand people, whatever, and you feel like you're all connected through the music.
25:37 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's really lovely and powerful.
25:39 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's another great point in your TEDx talk that music can help evoke community in connection.
25:46 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
25:47 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and especially when we think back to like our conversation about COVID, how that was missing a lot, that connection, please.
25:53 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So
25:54 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: How do we distinguish that from like you could go to a Red Sox game and feel like you're a part of something and there's, you know, 30 people cheering for the same moment or whatever, but the concert, you're a part of something but there's the musical element.
26:08 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like is there something more heightened than other group events, a political rally?
26:14 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like is there a way in which music musical events are special somehow?
26:19 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean,
26:20 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Music connects us.
26:22 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all we're all doing the same thing.
26:24 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all singing.
26:26 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all around the same beat.
26:27 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And when we're in the same beat, our heart rates actually sync up.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And our breathing rates sync up.
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're really Soxy Tosin.
26:35 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And to my knowledge, I don't think that would happen at a Red Sox game because we're not
26:42 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All doing the same thing, or hearing the same thing, there are lots of different sounds coming at us in those moments, whereas when you're at a concert, you're all listening to the same exact thing, and those sound waves are actually moving through us, and it sounds so woo-woo, but it's actually scientific.
26:59 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're releasing oxytocin, which is a love hormone, we feel connected to people, and concerts are also timestamps.
27:08 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So like,
27:09 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Say, I'm trying to think about how that would relate to a Red Sox game, maybe if you see a clip of a game 20 years later, and you're like, I was at that game, and you know, you're transported back in time, but that's kind of how music is.
27:24 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening to a song in the radio and you were at a show with that same song, it's going to transport you back to that same time and space and feeling of what you
27:37 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's something that sticks with you forever.
27:40 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they even use it with Alzheimer's patients.
27:42 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:42 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe somebody who doesn't even recognize the person and fun of them, there's an article that came out a couple of years ago and I think it was in the globe.
27:52 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's saying save your loved ones playlists.
27:55 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: In case anything happens and they get dementia, they have Alzheimer's to play it for them.
28:00 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a way to tune back into who you were.
28:04 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of... Yeah.
28:05 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly the science behind where it is in your brain, but music bypasses so many things that it's just an incredible thing so they're using it more in the medical field and that's the type of stuff that I'm excited to see come out of music research because
28:32 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was a study done a few years ago in Sweden, where they gave half of the people going into surgery and tying anxiety and medication before they went in and the other half they gave Markone unions song that's slipping from my mind right now and they both healed of the same results.
28:50 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So we know that music has the power to destress us without medication.
28:58 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty cool thing.
28:59 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty cool path.
29:00 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We're on for sure.
29:02 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And music like when you're describing how it can add like a timestamp to our lives, I kept thinking of it that it's a time machine that it can bring us back to like a specific time in place.
29:13 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times that feels so rich because
29:16 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Most, especially around live music, it's like a shared experience with other people, and it really helps us develop a strong sense of self that I lived that experience with this person that's part of our history, and I can be so connected and transported back to it, but just hitting play.
29:35 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's such great research with Alzheimer's patients and anyone suffering from dementia that music does allow them to revisit past versions of themselves and it is one of the last things that slip in those people.
29:49 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So really interesting that idea of music as medicine, music as something that can really
30:00 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And we know that music can stimulate our vagal nerve and our parasympathetic nervous system to eliminate this fight or flight reaction.
30:10 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's really, and we know that just anecdotally from living our lives, like music comes down.
30:14 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Full stop.
30:15 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
30:16 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's cool that we're seeing that applied in a medical setting, that like, if music comes, it's down like, how far can we push that construct?
30:24 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, can it take the place of medication, pre-surgery, can it take the place of, like, grief, and grief counseling, just music have an application there?
30:32 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_02]: because it does like vibrate our nerves to slow that we have music therapists for reason, right?
30:37 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, whether it's working with people suffering from mental illness or physical illness, arts therapy in general, whether it's music or painting and stuff.
30:47 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:48 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a growing field in almost every conceivable way.
31:11 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we talk about making music as an element here?
31:14 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Because learning to play an instrument or singing and especially playing with people feels like something that I just don't understand that everybody doesn't do it all the time.
31:25 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I kind of love it so much whenever I do it, and I don't get to do it enough.
31:28 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost like a, how are you missing out on this kind of a thing?
31:33 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I recognize that I'm a weirdo.
31:35 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a musician.
31:36 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:36 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I grew up playing violin.
31:38 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I always wanted to play the piano, but everybody played the violin, so I had to play the violin, too.
31:44 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I tinkered around a little bit.
31:48 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And then during this transitional period where, you know, we'd moved into our new home and, you know, discovered that my husband had a tumor and we were chatting with the neurosurgeon about
32:03 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: is very world-renowned and was saying, music is a healer, music helps to create new neural pathways when you learn an instrument and going to concerts.
32:15 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he really urged us to go to this concert and, and we're happy to make memories and to just live our lives and feel the joy.
32:23 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So coming from the doctor was,
32:27 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It just took me back a little bit, and I talked to Suzanne Hansen, who started the music therapy program at Berkeley College, and I said, you know, my husband's pretty tired.
32:39 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he doesn't have the energy to learn an instrument, and she said, can he sing?
32:43 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I mean, yeah, he likes to sing, and she said, can he tap his hands?
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, yeah, and she said,
32:51 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So, to me, that is also really interesting for people who aren't naturally musical and don't have the time or don't know where to start to learn an instrument, singing and using your body is an easy entry point into getting the same benefits.
33:08 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You do need to learn lyrics.
33:09 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's part of it.
33:10 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: She said, you know, listen to a song and see if you can learn the lyrics to it and see if you can keep a beat to it.
33:16 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what's helping to create the new neural pathways.
33:19 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, being in community and music often times is a communal event.
33:25 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're playing with other people, we're singing with other people.
33:28 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are so many benefits to that that elderly folks who are lonely, you know, they've done experiments where they've put them in a choir,
33:37 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when the experiment was over, they're like, no, no, I, let's keep doing that.
33:40 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And the depression rates went down like crazy because now they have this joyful way to feel connected to other people.
33:48 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So being in community doesn't necessarily mean you have to go see a show.
33:53 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Although there's a lot of accessible live music around us.
33:57 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have to be, you know, the top 40.
34:00 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be, you know, your local musicians.
34:03 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And then also just as cheesy as it sounds, just getting a few friends together and like playing some of your favorite music and just singing to it, you know, maybe even like doing a karaoke style version in your house to it and then again, easiest entry point is to come so if you're not a great singer and you don't really like the sound of your own voice.
34:26 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: you can start by humming until you feel a little more comfortable going to the next step, which is kind of something I want to try with you guys if you're game for it.
34:34 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, no, I'm not a good sport.
34:38 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so so you don't have to like fully sing, but for so I really think about the person out there who has a very little time to their day, but they want to feel better quickly.
34:53 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they want to find a way to get out of whatever funk they're in.
34:57 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And
35:00 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: singing is such a great way to do that because it sticks and it can be repetitive.
35:05 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So affirmations, super, super cheesy I know.
35:10 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you can think of an affirmation, it can be as simple as like, you know, not, I wanna be rich, you know, or I am rich, or I am successful, you know, your brain wants to believe you.
35:21 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So something like, I feel at peace.
35:27 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Pick something that you want to feel.
35:30 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you got it?
35:32 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
35:34 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
35:35 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So for anyone listening, pick whatever it is that you want to feel.
35:40 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I want you to just monotone if you need to, how it, like, this is gonna be fun.
35:48 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, is it, baby?
35:51 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you.
35:54 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole, don't forget, I can just auto tune it all later.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_00]: No forget.
35:57 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna have to keep paying that rate.
35:58 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Because perfection is what the standard that we need everybody to have, right?
36:02 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're just choosing a note and going to sing our mantra.
36:06 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, say, like, um, I am powerful.
36:11 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I am powerful.
36:14 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and now I, like, I'm actually feeling really good.
36:19 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Just sing that.
36:20 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go ahead, your turn.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, or each of you do it separately.
36:25 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to.
36:27 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to.
36:28 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to make you.
36:29 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: OK. See, now I've got your keys stuck in my head.
36:32 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, OK. OK.
36:34 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's summer now.
36:36 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to grade or teach anybody.
36:39 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's summer now.
36:40 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to grade or teach anybody.
36:43 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You're up Nicole.
36:44 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I, I'm not going to, but I feel like it's kind of like power posing with your voice.
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, about power posing 100%.
36:51 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like before an interview, you stand up all straight in front of the mirror.
36:57 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you need to like market this city and like having a literative name for it, not like power posing, but like
37:05 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because in my family, we have a lot of, we vocal stim.
37:08 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll just all be vocal stimming around the house and drive some of y'all drive each other crazy with just like these little vocal stims.
37:14 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But maybe it's good.
37:15 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's good that my kid hums all the time and sings all nonstop.
37:20 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_02]: She's always singing in a driving me bonkers.
37:23 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_02]: because I, but she's self-soothing, I guess she's self-soothing, oh yeah, gosh.
37:28 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, I would like to say that if no one knows where to start, there's a group called Beautiful Course.
37:34 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is all they do, really.
37:37 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just these positive affirmations, but they're repetitive.
37:40 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you listen to it, and then it can stuck in your head, and then you start humming it, and then you can start singing it.
37:46 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I find myself singing their songs often, and it's that repetitive behavior that
37:53 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: a mantra of sorts.
37:55 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're also calming your vagus nerve at the same time.
37:58 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're getting that message, you're calming your vagus nerve.
38:01 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And as we know, music helps with our memory.
38:04 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to start believing what we're singing, right?
38:07 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to like call out a very specific type of group music making that I think is unique.
38:14 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I played in bands.
38:15 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I've played instruments.
38:16 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I've sung with people in singing vocal harmony with other human
38:22 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: is like a so like I'm saying go join a choir or a barbershop quartet or something like it no but there's something about it and they call literally roll their eyes on the on the screen any chance you're like you just like barbershop quartets I think it's funny I just think it's funny like it's objectively a funny thing to like
38:42 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
38:42 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But barbershop quartets, that's like actually a high floor.
38:46 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's hard, right?
38:47 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
38:47 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought everything is hard.
38:49 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think people, if you haven't done it before, there's all this sort of vocal stimming and like the satisfaction of humming that we're talking about, but there's something, I think it's physics.
38:58 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's something happening when you're actually like locked with people singing a chord or something, not all in the same part.
39:04 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's
39:11 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I've played in loud rock bands, I've been around orchestras.
39:14 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It cannot be replaced.
39:15 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing else is really the same.
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_00]: There's something about the human voice.
39:19 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's primordial, right?
39:20 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And harmonies are not primordial.
39:23 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Those have an existed for all of humankind, but there's something about when different people are singing different things and some people on the same things.
39:31 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you just have to try it.
39:33 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody has to go try it.
39:35 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Show up for one rehearsal with the open rehearsal day of your community choir and just do it once.
39:39 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And if it's not for you, you've at least experienced that human moment of connection and I haven't done it for a while and I miss it terribly.
39:49 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of the underground where they pick a song and you just have hundreds of people in a room and everyone is practicing the same thing and then they practice for I want to say an hour and then they sing it together and it's just looks absolutely magical and also I feel like Jacob Collier and all of his concerts that he puts on he has the audience become a choir and just it's almost powerful to know you can do that.
40:13 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:14 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you a lot of people.
40:15 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Harmony sometimes makes me freeze up a little bit because you're right.
40:20 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It is it's not an easy thing to do intuitively and so When it happens it feels Right it's scratches and it's almost a fine moral beats do that too Well, I was thinking of that like when we think about the physics of it right and the physics can't be the right word But it's something about that like
40:38 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The sound waves and how they mirror our brain waves and how certain brain waves can lower our internal frequency.
40:46 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to do a deep dive on the common allele we can sound waves and brain waves because I think that there's something really uncover there.
40:55 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not an accident that when you sing in harmony with someone, especially someone that you feel emotionally close to, it heals a part of you.
41:04 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
41:04 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They can't be an accident, right?
41:06 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be three side check.
41:08 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We just need to both do independent research about that and like talk about it because it keeps coming out for us.
41:15 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_02]: This idea that like certain notes make you feel a certain way or bring up certain feelings and like what about the frequency of it?
41:22 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: What is that doing internally to us?
41:24 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm excited to see more research on frequency.
41:28 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's something that they're still researching, especially when it comes to binoral beats as well.
41:33 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to explain what that means for folks that haven't maybe heard of the, it's sort of like an illusion almost, right?
41:39 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, yeah, yeah, you can't do it without headphones.
41:42 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So you need to get a pair of headphones, you know, any streaming service, just look up bineral beats.
41:48 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And they have different frequencies, right?
41:51 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: For sleep, for focus, for even like motivation, pick whichever one you want.
41:58 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there are two different frequencies that are in either ear, and you hear what's between that.
42:06 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a very soothing, you feel almost like you're in a bubble and you're just the sounds all around you.
42:15 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's it is very relaxing and I would also suggest anyone who's like short on time and and just needs to calm down for a minute or two, put some headphones on, listen to buy a neural beats, close your eyes, two minutes later, you're going to feel totally different.
42:43 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of us has a hard out for a meeting that probably is less fun than this conversation.
42:52 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate the term part out too.
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like who did I become that I use terms like hard out?
42:55 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:56 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I've added this, how did this become my life?
42:59 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_02]: have a hard stop in that a hard out in five minutes.
43:03 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That's as Sadie.
43:04 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for coming on our podcast.
43:07 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been begging to talk to you on Mike for a while.
43:10 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I know you and I consistently have really great, very honest and real conversations.
43:15 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that that carried through to this venue here today.
43:20 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a book coming out.
43:21 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you plug your book for our audience?
43:24 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
43:24 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Book release is going to be this fall.
43:26 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called newly released and it is a memoir and a love letter to my self-marriage and music.
43:32 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
43:32 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Where can people find you in general?
43:34 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if people want to hear more, hire you to come motivate their corporate retreat or whatever.
43:40 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm trying to think like, yeah, Stady, Stady, Stady music leads to the most.
43:44 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so corporate retreats, great speaking gigs for sure, retreats, universities.
43:50 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm available.
43:52 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Stady, Stady, musiclady.com.
43:54 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
43:55 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: or go to the music school in suburban Massachusetts and just kind of hang around and start conversation and it might be you or the cool.
44:05 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We're there a lot.
44:06 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we're we're there a lot for short.
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