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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, even my tenure, which I have tenure, everybody shed out to me.
00:03 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.
00:04 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Good luck.
00:04 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have to stay some real bad stuff on this podcast to get fired.
00:07 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_02]: The fastest way would actually be to retrench my department.
00:10 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Just close down the music department, then they could let me go.
00:12 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So, you thought about it?
00:14 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought of doing a podcast every day.
00:16 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I wake up going.
00:16 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I could just burn it up out.
00:18 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_05]: They put you on like literature or something for a year.
00:21 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We got like 90 music majors, so they'd have to really make a lot of people.
00:25 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a strong key show.
00:26 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, or do you feel for them too?
00:27 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, hold my fire.
00:28 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
00:38 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I'm Mark and I'm Nicole and this is Nevermind the music.
00:42 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Mailbag season two episode two.
00:45 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_05]: We're doing it.
00:45 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.
00:46 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to do another one of these.
00:50 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And another one.
00:50 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to try to do mailbox a little bit more often every couple months.
00:55 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Just because we we already had a lot of feedback.
00:58 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And originally I had it scheduled for.
01:00 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_02]: like April, late April, and I'm like now let's just let's just dive in and do it now.
01:04 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So people have questions.
01:05 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to address them.
01:06 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: If they have more questions which were happy to talk about on Mike, how should they get in touch with us?
01:12 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_05]: So many different ways they could email us at nevermusicpod at gmail.com or chime in on our community discord on the lore house discord server.
01:23 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_05]: We love a conversation there.
01:25 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's go.
01:26 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_05]: We're happy to talk to you in real time or and we love emails to voicemails.
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think about a voicemail?
01:32 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We've only gotten a couple of them.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe only one voicemail, actually.
01:35 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just being a mark from Mark S. Yeah.
01:37 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Mark S from DreamHydro.
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, voicemails could be fun.
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Send them send them as an email.
01:42 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_02]: We look forward to it.
01:43 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of emails, this one from Dave G.
01:47 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_02]: This is in response to our men at work episode and probably some of the Colin Hay concert.
01:53 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, controversial.
01:54 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Contrary to see, you know, not bashing disappointment.
01:59 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Mixed with that variation.
02:00 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just a change to how I thought about Colin Hay to remind our listeners.
02:03 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I went to see Colin Hay two times and he repeated the same banter both times.
02:07 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I saw him and it was just like the exact same set.
02:10 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_05]: It was kind of a drag.
02:11 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Dave G wants to fill us in, so I wanted to write in and say that I saw him in at work once many years ago and they were excellent.
02:18 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They toured with a flock of seagulls, the smithereens, and the violent fems.
02:24 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that because that's like quite the continual, like a full-on new wave sort of alt rocky maybe kind of heartland rock and then like cow punk all alternative in the 80s.
02:35 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to that show specifically to see the violent fems, but was actually most impressed with men at work.
02:40 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: The band was tight, Colin Hay's voice sounded great and he seemed in good spirits from what I remember.
02:46 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to say start parenthetically again Dave did not tell us like when this was right is this like in the 80s or is this in like 20 20 and it's anyways He just says many years ago many year.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
02:56 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
02:56 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:57 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:57 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:57 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:58 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So somewhere between seven years ago 30 years ago.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay
03:02 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_02]: out of the bands, they were the most crisp and professional sounding.
03:06 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming Colin Hay being in good spirits was because the show was long before the lawsuit happened.
03:11 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so more clues.
03:12 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I should have read the whole email.
03:15 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But do you know what band was not in good spirits and did not want to be playing in 80s nostalgia show?
03:21 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so this was not in a minute.
03:23 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Should I edit it out or should know this is lied?
03:25 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This is how how real male backup is a dark all right.
03:29 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I read this when I compiled this but that that was a little wild Okay, which band did not want to be playing in 80s in this Delta show a flock of seagulls from what I remember They played all of their songs at a much slower tempo and reimagined them in some kind of ambient electronic form
03:47 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The crowd wasn't having it, and the singer was like, fine, and be grudgingly played Iran, and it's a original form.
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_05]: That's funny.
03:55 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no one wants like an interpretation.
03:57 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_05]: It's an nostalgia show.
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_05]: People want to give the people what they want.
04:01 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird to think of like, like, and I run, I run.
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of would love that.
04:08 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Runs.
04:08 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So I could imagine it like a reggae kind of thing.
04:10 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: But if they're doing like ambient, like down tempo, I would like to hear it.
04:14 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_05]: But not when you're going to the show, you're going with intention to like, reminisce on the past.
04:20 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
04:20 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to reinterpretation.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_02]: as opposed to the chill way.
04:26 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, have you seen a show where, especially in a nostalgia show, where they did crazy reinterpretations at all?
04:37 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I probably have, like, a soul, you know, it's just saying a lot, but I used to be really into Dave Matthews band,
04:45 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_05]: And like they'll do songs that are radio hits, but reimagine them and reinterpret them, which I think is really cool and exciting in the live show when it's one or two songs.
04:55 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_05]: But like a whole set, when you have a bad attitude about it, I think like isn't going to land for me.
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_05]: What about you?
05:02 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I can think of was unintentional.
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
05:05 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I was at a saves the day, show.
05:07 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, saves the day.
05:08 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I did.
05:09 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Great kind of between the pop punk and emo world and the thoughts.
05:13 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I know they did a lot after that, but that's when I was listening to them a lot.
05:17 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And the power went out at this club in San Diego.
05:20 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
05:20 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I was in town this was after college, I think, or during college.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And so,
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, it wasn't the power.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was a ghastly.
05:28 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, geez.
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't like all the powers out.
05:30 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's hang.
05:31 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, no, we have to evacuate.
05:33 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the parking lot.
05:35 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Chris, what's his last name?
05:37 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Chris Conlin Conley or something?
05:39 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: The lead vocalist and like one of the other guys just busted out a acoustic and like did the whole set acoustic.
05:45 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's singing a lot and huddled up like a lot of people in left.
05:48 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I think thinking, oh, well, this is a bust.
05:50 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So whatever was left, they just got an acoustic show, but it wasn't like pretentious reinterpretation.
05:55 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, hey, let's give these kids a show still.
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_02]: What's this?
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's so cool.
05:59 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I was really cool.
05:59 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish that was cell phone videoed by somebody.
06:02 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
06:02 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I was at a one-man show, like a musical, like it was not like a concert.
06:07 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a theater production and the fire alarm went off and everyone had to evacuate to the parking lot.
06:13 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_05]: and we mean my friends were like oh I wish the guy just kept going on the monologues and kept performing the show but instead he like was in his period peace costum and just gotten to his Honda Accord and just sat there like smoked a cigarette until he fixed it.
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really weird.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He needed the ambience.
06:28 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We laughed.
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I'm jealous of your experience.
06:32 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Dave.
06:32 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry about the flock.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry about sorry.
06:34 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: A flock of seagulls.
06:36 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, they seem like they'd be a cool band, but that's a bummer.
06:39 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
06:39 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, right in, flock.
06:41 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Right in, flock.
06:43 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Tell us.
06:43 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Mr. of seagulls, um, our next bit of feedback is from John.
06:47 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_05]: This says, uh, listening to the Grammy potting, gotta say clips, bunny or Kendrick should win best album in my opinion.
06:53 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_05]: On the clips there was no breakup per se, Mal is just didn't want to do music anymore and supported pushes continuing to rap, push dropped a few albums on Kanye's label, as well as mixed tapes and he's been looked at as one of the best lyricists in the last 15 20 years.
07:10 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_05]: On the topic of moving past co-crap.
07:12 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Kendrick is not a co-craper but he's up for best album and rap music has always encompassed the different themes in black folk lives and there've always been space for rappers to make music about any and everything that is a feature of the genre.
07:26 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So in the end, John says give me more co-crap or whatever else sounds dope, heard.
07:34 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks John.
07:35 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So when we were talking about clips on a Grammy episode, and it's obviously was written before because he goes on.
07:41 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Who ended up winning?
07:42 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know for a while.
07:42 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_05]: This album was Kendrick.
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Why the hell?
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You watched it, didn't you?
07:47 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I did watch it, and I just have no memory.
07:49 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait a minute, who did win?
07:51 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Who did win?
07:52 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_02]: This is hilarious that we don't remember.
07:53 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it was Bad Bunny.
07:54 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, Bad Bunny.
07:56 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we win.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that, that's right.
07:57 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm because as I remember, watching the Super Bowl, I was like, this would be the best week of his life.
08:01 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there was a lot of stuff on discord during the Grammys about how, like, it was all fixed.
08:06 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_05]: And Bad Bunny was gonna win just to like, add ratings to the Super Bowl.
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
08:11 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And so clips was one of the groups that we had the most sort of holes in our knowledge right having not heard I hadn't heard them since what the early 2000s or whatever except for push a T guests.
08:24 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we had some questions about kind of their break up and all that because you know being siblings or they siblings.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're siblings and not cousins.
08:30 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're those.
08:31 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And and then you made some inflammatory statements.
08:33 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I just said like I think like the
08:39 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, hey, if you want to know, go listen to the episode.
08:41 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, go listen to that.
08:42 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think I appreciate John's point of view.
08:44 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Work was John quite a bit in the past and other some lower-hounds projects and I think very highly of their opinion.
08:51 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_05]: And I thought it was projorative to label them co-crap, but John is reframing it for me and being and saying it's not projorative, it's just part of the culture.
09:01 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_05]: support that.
09:01 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well you have to like recognize that that's like very much what they would do in the beginning too.
09:06 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it wasn't I don't think like a condescending label at the time.
09:12 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Well I think yeah and in my like perspective it feels condescending but John's common is reframing it for me that it's not so kind.
09:19 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't think it was a Fox News host that gave them that name or something like that.
09:23 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean and that's like what I have in my head.
09:25 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Fox News.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Fox News is swirling.
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_02]: She's as she gets older.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The Fox News maintains a bigger part of your brain, right?
09:32 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't triangulating towards where your parents are.
09:36 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
09:36 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_05]: They do say people get more conservative as they get older for sure.
09:40 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my dad's been saying that since I was like 18 years old.
09:44 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Dad.
09:44 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mean to put the Sandy Agons on blast from Keith M. God.
09:49 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I love 90s all rock music.
09:53 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
09:53 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_02]: He continues.
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
09:55 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you grew up with Philly radio station.
09:58 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Why 100 and almost every song in the episode took me back to those wonderful days.
10:04 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, what episode do we think?
10:06 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_05]: 90s all rock music.
10:09 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I think I think it's the Matthew Kelly episode about the new mess of the mid 90s.
10:14 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I have the timestamps when I collect them, but I don't always keep them.
10:18 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I mix everybody.
10:19 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I mix the feedback up in order or the order.
10:21 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not.
10:22 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it must have been a lot.
10:23 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a call.
10:23 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a story.
10:24 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Keith goes on.
10:25 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I really should try to recreate a playlist with their music to listen to when I'm finished my podcast.
10:30 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I wanted to turn that into a question for you, for both of us.
10:34 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to shout out like, what is the radio station from your youth?
10:38 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
10:38 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: That may or may not still exist.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You were in this area.
10:42 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
10:43 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, are there iconic, either playlist?
10:46 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: or moments in the kind of history of your listening to that radio station probably I'm thinking back in the 90s before radio change.
10:55 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, like kiss one-o-8 in the Boston area is still like the station to listen to.
11:00 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_05]: So jam in 94-5, kiss one-o-8, those were like the heavy hitters.
11:06 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_05]: And then ZLX, which was 107 in the Boston area that isn't around anymore, well, I think they are actually think they're classic rock, but you listen to it now and they play like sublime in the food fighters and it just doesn't land the same way as the Eagles.
11:20 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_05]: and like formative memories I remember making like mix tapes from the radio and like recording from the radio and like waiting for Whitney Houston to come on so I could like record it on to my mix tape.
11:33 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
11:34 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_05]: How about you in the Bay Area?
11:36 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that what they call center of the Bay Area?
11:38 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_02]: For Bay Area, Mission Bay, Mission Bay, that is not the Bay Area San Francisco Bay.
11:43 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's right.
11:44 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_02]: North.
11:44 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
11:45 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And the base state, despite San Diego having the bay and San Francisco having a bay, the base state is actually surprisingly.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Massachusetts.
11:53 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
11:53 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_02]: She sits on coast.
11:54 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: For some reason, but the ocean state, the ocean state is our island, which is strange because they do not monopolize the ocean.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't think.
12:02 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_05]: No, they have an ocean home of the job lot.
12:04 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right, oh, since they drove a shout out to local big box discount sponsors, yes, sponsor.
12:11 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So no, the Bay Area is San Francisco.
12:14 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
12:14 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Oakland Berkeley, like I did live there, but no, San Diego is not the Bay Area.
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And America's finest city.
12:22 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say 91 X. I would shout.
12:24 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
12:24 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_02]: 911X was the alternative station and I do think it's still around, but I don't know what that means now because I don't live there like what are they playing?
12:33 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they playing like pop?
12:34 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they playing?
12:35 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it old school?
12:36 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what you're talking about classic rock and they're playing?
12:40 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a call by the food fighters or whatever, or are they playing, you know, imagine dragons or whatever, whatever passes for rock right now.
12:49 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: They were the alternative station paired with live 105, which was like the hard rock station.
12:54 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
12:54 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was my scene, like dancing between those two stations based on whichever had the song.
12:59 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to listen to you.
13:00 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_05]: I love that, too.
13:01 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Like live 105.
13:01 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_05]: And live 105.
13:03 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 105.
13:04 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Three.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So 91.1, though.
13:06 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to say, I just, I just shouted out my deck being a, a San Diego conservative.
13:11 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But.
13:12 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Cheers to him, like he was listening to 91X in like the 80s.
13:16 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Dave G mentioned the smithereens, like that was an alt band.
13:18 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_02]: My dad was into like that and like XTC, the violent fems probably were up my dad's alley like.
13:23 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So the Eagles and Jackson Brown dude, like of the 70s, grew in the kind of like the alt stuff.
13:29 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_02]: my formative memories would be like radio memories would be listening up until midnight as probably uh you know late middle school or early high school or with my brother to hear the countdown on 91x okay top 91 of 96 or of 95 and I remember one year it was
13:47 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_02]: the offspring, I think bad habit, and it's like this anticipation because you're like, whoa, what song have we not heard?
13:54 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And but you didn't hear the whole 91 songs because it probably started like 3 p.m. or whatever.
13:59 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So you'd never know if like the song you thought would win it all, actually happened three hours ago when you were eating dinner or and you weren't listening or if it's about to be number one, right?
14:08 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_05]: they did that on one of the Boston stations a little while ago we were on this road trip and they were counting down the top 100 songs and like we got to our destination and they were at like number five and we like sat in the car and listened to the other five it was kind of annoying I was just say if you're looking for music playlist on Spotify we do have a season one playlist for nevermind the music and I'll make a season two playlist when we finish up this patch of episode so check it out Apple Music playlist
14:36 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
14:37 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it will be the listeners, it's dead of us asking you to pay us money and making like a patron.
14:44 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_02]: The super fans need to look through all of the show notes and get every song that I pipe in and every episode and make a playlist that's like 16 hours of music.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be like the same Taylor Swift songs coming back over and over and anyway.
14:57 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_05]: What do we use AI to do that?
14:59 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_05]: We just like upload all our show notes into AI and tell it to make it Spotify playlist with all these songs.
15:04 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the funny thing is AI, you would think so.
15:07 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But it can't take AI freaks out about the music because like, you know, so when I'm uploading to our podcast platform, it'll do a auto transcription like so folks, you know, for ADA compliance or whatever, there's a text transcription of our episode.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of them, it doesn't work.
15:24 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It says like, cannot process.
15:26 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And it says like, if you use a,
15:28 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Certain amount of musical content, we cannot do the AI transcription or whatever, so possibly the AI would struggle, but you'd think it could just shazam the songs, right?
15:37 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Or maybe it could just give me a list.
15:39 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I would want.
15:40 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm creating the list.
15:41 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, then.
15:42 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The list is in the show notes.
15:43 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It is there.
15:44 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_05]: but like it's all in the different shown up.
15:46 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_05]: If you can get me like a list, just a list of the songs.
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's in the folder.
15:50 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_05]: It's in the folder.
15:51 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, cool.
15:51 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, turn down.
15:52 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I already have access.
15:54 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, turn down.
15:54 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Where are you going?
15:55 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
15:57 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool.
15:57 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll take care of that.
15:58 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Talk to us about what Mike W has to say.
16:00 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Mike W has a lot to say.
16:02 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_05]: He begins.
16:02 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Mark and Nicole, Mike W. here from last week's Mailbag episode, woohoo, I had two appearances this time.
16:09 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I really must have the algorithm dialed in.
16:11 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, here we go again, Mike W. Responding to, quote, how it went on quote with my Taylor Swift homework.
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
16:20 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_02]: My WS for albums and I said like 1989 and folklore and you said like, or the new one, but you said like, like lover and reputation or something.
16:30 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_05]: It depends on like what I always tailor Taylor Taylor Swift.
16:35 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Do like what genre you're most interested in?
16:37 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she's reaches a genre.
16:39 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, right, right again.
16:41 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I had to scroll back to refresh my memory that was way back in September.
16:44 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_05]: The question was where to start for a potential new fan.
16:48 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_05]: You guys suggested folklore and red.
16:50 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I liked them all right, and there's no dispute that she's really good at what she does.
16:54 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_05]: But I didn't really feel like I've been missing out all this time.
16:57 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_05]: So in the end, I likely won't be putting her into my listening rotation.
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Racing for backlash.
17:04 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just say before you go on because my W goes on.
17:07 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool, bro.
17:08 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
17:08 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I never, man.
17:09 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to like it.
17:10 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You tried, though.
17:12 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
17:12 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can be a hater that is informed.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that that's great.
17:16 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Like a lot of people hate Taylor Swift because they don't like the icon of her or like what she stands for.
17:22 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_05]: But really if you just if someone played you a song from tortured poets that you didn't know.
17:28 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_05]: You might be like, oh, whoo, this is a really great song.
17:31 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_05]: And then when I tell you what's Taylor Swift, you might hate it, just because you don't like her.
17:34 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_05]: So Mike, thanks for trying.
17:36 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_05]: We appreciate you.
17:37 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I get my own update before we go on with Mike?
17:39 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'll allow it.
17:41 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I am halfway through the live folklore.
17:45 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Lots of sessions.
17:46 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, Mark.
17:47 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Way to go.
17:48 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: My daughter and I like, on a day when like the life took the older one out, I was like, what should we do?
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's watch.
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We got about a half way through.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So it'll, we'll finish it.
17:57 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought of it a lot on our episode with Mike, not my W, Mike S, Mike Sorazio about authenticity.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, don't.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did I mention it?
18:05 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we just watched it because of the whole,
18:08 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_02]: like fake authenticity and look, I really like this is like them, her with the two producers also playing guitars in piano, Jack Hansen often, Aaron Desner playing through the songs and so far it's very beautiful and they're talking about them, but also like they're in this cabin and the middle of the woods, the long pond, whatever, in upstate New York or something and I'm like, this album was recorded like over zoom.
18:30 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: This album was recorded like in their basement, studio or whatever.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing this, and it does sound beautiful in this old house.
18:37 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: They're recording it, but also it's like, it's actually less authentic because the actual album is like a bedroom album, right?
18:44 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And they show like the guy from Boni Verra just in Vernon, like singing with like a mask on in his like room.
18:50 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just funny because they were like,
18:52 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_02]: What are going to, what are people going to feel like is real?
18:54 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we got to send them away in this this cottage core, then you know, even though what they should do is like Aaron Desner's like home office or whatever way he recorded all the piano parts.
19:03 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_05]: And they don't know clips of that, but yeah, it definitely was trying to recreate the vibe of the album.
19:11 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_05]: But it didn't feel that authentic.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The one that we would imagine the vibe would be the best thing.
19:15 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But so far so good, we're enjoying it.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We're about halfway through.
19:18 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Swifties feel free to attack Mike W. But go ahead.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't do it, leave Mike alone.
19:23 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_05]: He's a good guy.
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, he goes on.
19:26 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_05]: You guys have ever listened to NPR's, how to do everything?
19:29 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_05]: It's from the same guys who also produce weight.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, don't tell me.
19:32 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So funny and a little bit informative.
19:35 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyways,
19:36 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe twice did they did this thing where at noon on certain days they posted Zoom link in some Google Doc, they'd hide in one of their show notes.
19:44 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_05]: And the first I don't know 20 people to whack it were her allowed in for an hour, long fireside chat with them in the guest of the day.
19:51 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I was never lucky to make it in, but thought it was such a great idea.
19:55 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_05]: You guys should do that!
19:57 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: like a random real-time AMA kind of hangout.
20:01 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_05]: I love that.
20:02 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe one day it could be fun.
20:04 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you're gonna rekindle the memories of doing like, you know, my college Occupel group doing a show and being like, how does anybody gonna come?
20:14 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_02]: God is anybody gonna come.
20:15 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, going outside to look at the audience five minutes before we're supposed to start and go, why I'm more people here?
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, okay, more people here, let's start.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what if we did it?
20:22 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And then show one shows up.
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that you'd be surprised.
20:26 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_05]: at how broad and diverse our listener bases.
20:30 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes we get comments from people all over the world, and I'm wondering, who thinks that they are the most random listener of our podcast?
20:39 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I want to know.
20:40 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Like a lot of our friends listen or people that know us in the real world.
20:44 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_05]: But right in, if you think that you are the most obscure part never mind the music fan.
20:50 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:50 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you live in Zimbabwe or something.
20:52 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_02]: My son was actually asking me about this like a week ago and he was where do people listen?
20:56 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I looked up and we've got a lot of Estados and Needos, a lot of Canada, a fair amount of like the UK, some Australia.
21:02 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But we look, there's literally this last week, people in Iran heard our podcast according to the analytics.
21:10 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, first of all, I'm like a robot.
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what I'm talking about?
21:14 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, and good luck to you.
21:16 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And also Venezuela, and like, and Israel, there's all these places where like, shit is going on, and still people are checking it.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not great numbers of people.
21:26 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm happy for every, it's not huge numbers.
21:29 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, on a person was listening from Iran.
21:32 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, right when things were going down.
21:34 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, I hope you're okay.
21:35 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you're okay.
21:38 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
21:38 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
21:39 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the story.
21:40 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a story there.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, tell us.
21:42 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Right in, right in, unless it's...
21:44 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_02]: like dangerous to write in.
21:46 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Like don't risk your life to update us, but we want to hear from you.
21:49 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, that's really cool.
21:50 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, diverse, we'll do an AMA in our national people.
21:53 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Are we in international podcasts?
21:55 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, so I put that in my LinkedIn.
21:57 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
21:58 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just because we're close enough to the Canadian border that they can hear us.
22:02 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_05]: They can hear us.
22:15 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh C, writing it again, listening to the episode about copyright and who owns what?
22:22 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: If you were to create that Patreon level and get a million dollars, would anything be owed to the colleges you work for?
22:30 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Since season one was created during a sabbatical, some never mind the music lore, and the podcast was possibly discussed while negotiating for the sabbatical, does any of the work
22:45 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Side note, listening to my name at Half Speed has so much.
22:51 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, did we say, oh, because, that last time Josh, see, wrote in.
22:55 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He talked about, he started the whole conversation that keeps coming up about people listening at double speed.
23:00 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we said, why don't you listen at Half Speed?
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So Josh,
23:05 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:06 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.
23:07 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, the story for me about like my college doesn't even know I have a podcast like they're not even it's not even on their radar.
23:15 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Like my boss knows Because we talk about it and I ask him questions about podcasting and like some of my colleagues listen and my students definitely listen my students know
23:26 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_05]: but my contract is different than your contract at our schools.
23:29 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Like your school probably would want to cut.
23:32 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Hell no.
23:33 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't think?
23:33 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_02]: No, intellectual property.
23:35 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
23:35 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm, look, I am a composition professor.
23:38 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I'm not specifically that here because I teach mostly music theory and stuff.
23:41 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But I am a composer.
23:42 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I teach composition.
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_02]: My training might, the whole, like,
23:46 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_02]: creative output the research so to speak that college and university level composers do or if you're a visual artist or a poet or whatever, your research in a lot of cases is art you're supposed to create and it is not owned by do you have that same thing in my field doing at my school like your publications or yours then that's the actual property.
24:10 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have a scholarship component to your job?
24:12 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_02]: very little.
24:13 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
24:14 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bit of your feel.
24:15 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I teach it to community college.
24:17 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I still compose because I want to.
24:21 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I could like never write a piece of music again.
24:25 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And now that I've got tenure, like nobody cares.
24:27 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Like even my tenure, which I have tenure, everybody shut out to me.
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.
24:31 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Good luck.
24:31 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have to say some real bad stuff on this podcast to get fired.
24:35 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_02]: The fastest way would actually be to retrench my department.
24:37 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Just close down the music department
24:39 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's thought about it.
24:41 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought of a dude, I thought every day, I wake up going to just burn it up, they put you on like literature or something for a year.
24:48 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We got like 90 music majors, so they'd have to really make a lot of a track.
24:52 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they teach how it works for them, too.
24:54 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
24:55 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
24:56 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So 10 year in my case was very much college service.
25:00 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
25:01 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I got and teaching record and stuff, 10 year.
25:04 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I got 10 year kind of on the back of running a committee.
25:08 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: for the college.
25:08 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the general education revision.
25:10 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:11 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I submitted creative work I done, but probably it could have all been garbage.
25:16 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And I probably, you know, I mean, like true, I mean, you're, you're, you're college is not based on your field.
25:21 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And my, so I work for a private university.
25:23 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not 10 year.
25:24 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm not 10 year track.
25:26 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_05]: They go, it's teaching faculty, so I have a greater teaching level of practice.
25:30 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, professor practice, actually, senior lecturer, breaking news, just got a little bit of a, you know, even that old senior, you know, right?
25:37 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_05]: It's really flattering.
25:40 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't have a scholarship component to my contract.
25:43 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So even if, so they couldn't come for this, even if I did have a scholarship component, they're not looking.
25:49 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_05]: for my podcast revenue and it guys, it's I could give them the four dollars.
25:53 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's right.
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I could give them their cut.
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So.
25:57 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say my field, I guess arts in general, it works okay.
26:04 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_02]: If I was a chemist, like my brother, who's not an academia, but if I was a chemist in academia to be a chemist, to stay truly a chemist, you kind of need to work at a research university.
26:14 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
26:15 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas I, while I'm not getting like tenure-evaluated on my composing and my songwriting and stuff, and I'm less likely to get flown to Rome to go present to the conference,
26:26 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I can still be a full professional composer in software like I don't get paid to do it by them, but if I was a science or something like that engineering, I literally couldn't do it because you don't have a like I mean they're doing great work.
26:41 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: My colleagues in the sciences at my college are doing great work, but they're not doing original research.
26:45 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're not like an R1.
26:47 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're doing research for like the labs are serving the student learning, which is
26:52 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
26:53 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, should be super important to get it in R1 University, but you're not like doing your own public.
26:59 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You would have to do science and some of them do like a sabbatical for the science faculty in podcast.
27:03 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I'm going back to the lab and I'm doing the part two to my dissertation work.
27:08 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_05]: But that's also your teaching loads that you're a school or different than mine for 10 years.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
27:13 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_05]: at my institution teachers, professors have such a strong research component that they'll do like a two to two.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Teach like two classes on me, yeah, yeah.
27:21 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they research on top of that.
27:23 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm on the teaching faculty.
27:25 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_05]: So I do a four, four teaching load.
27:27 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_05]: That means like four classes on the fall, four classes.
27:29 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Which is a way closer to us.
27:30 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, you're like a four or five.
27:33 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't teach that because I also limit the part chair.
27:35 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_05]: We're getting into the ways of higher at jargon.
27:37 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_05]: We need to do a whole side check about like,
27:39 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_05]: We never touch hired.
27:42 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, no, they don't know intellectual property, even though they know about it and this.
27:48 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's really interesting because I was paid.
27:51 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, she jokes about our tiny amount of ad revenue, but technically speaking.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_05]: You were paid.
27:56 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I was paid to develop that first season because I was on sabbatical, and supposed to be creating things.
28:03 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was so happy.
28:04 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_05]: But now my buddy just helping out my buddy for free.
28:07 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't, not free, man.
28:08 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: You get like 200 bucks a quarter.
28:10 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_02]: A few hundred dollars.
28:12 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And you get to, you get a sweet microphone that I bought that you get so, okay?
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you buy it?
28:16 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?
28:17 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I thought you meant the one at my house.
28:19 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I'm pretty sure I bought that.
28:20 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: No, the one you're talking to right now.
28:22 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I think you owe me some money, Mark.
28:24 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fair enough.
28:25 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
28:26 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Next time you go to sabbatical, you get an altitude for one.
28:29 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, that is, that does suck.
28:31 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Next, next seven.
28:33 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_02]: seven years from now six years from now when I get another one.
28:35 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
28:36 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You can you can decide what we do with it.
28:37 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll be back.
28:39 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_05]: David Mack.
28:41 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_05]: More on the ongoing saga of podcast listening speed from David Mack while I don't listen to the podcast at 1.9x speed.
28:50 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I do listen at 1.5 speed.
28:52 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_05]: It's the only way I can fit in all the podcasts I listen to and it's funny sometimes to hear a song at 1.5 and then listen to it at normal speed.
29:03 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't even, sometimes I'll listen back to our podcast and it gets to be too much at normal speed for me.
29:11 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Davey Mac goes on hearing Matt bring up five iron frenzy on the latest side track really took me down my memory lane and high school I was big into a lot of Christian punks, got hard core and five iron was among my favorites and I saw them multiple times live.
29:26 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, atheists now and probably wouldn't enjoy a lot of the bands that you still listen to back then, but I can imagine going back and enjoying some five iron stuff now.
29:35 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_05]: They were also really good at song and album titles.
29:38 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I know even within the band, there were members who struggled with their faith, and I think one or two of them came out as agnostic at one point, which is definitely something I related to.
29:47 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_05]: It's really interesting feedback.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I often forget because I'm fairly agnostic as a person.
29:52 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know really what that word means, but I'm not like a religious human that much.
29:59 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely not Christian.
30:01 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's not really harsh, but definitely not.
30:05 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right, you're right, I'm a Jewish.
30:08 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jewish, that's right.
30:09 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Good term, yeah.
30:10 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_05]: But I forget that there's this whole, like, sub genre of media focused around Christianity, just because I'm not part of that bubble.
30:18 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's nice to hear additional perspectives.
30:20 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I know Matt Kelly, friends with the pod is really into that area of music and culture.
30:24 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's nice to hear some supporting evidence towards that from Davey Mac as well.
30:29 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Second shout out, remember Matt talked about his podcast, Christian cringe, which like talks about Christian content, like Christian bands, Christian movies, and some of it is good in some of it is garbage, and they sort of laugh about that.
30:44 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they have guests that are like agnostic, noobs to this whole thing, and atheist or whatever that hop on, talk about stuff.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So check it out.
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:52 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, though, I thought that was an interesting take, yes, some stuff is, you would go back and enjoy that, and some stuff, maybe not.
30:58 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like in the style of your piece too.
30:59 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Like even if you can't really relate to, I'll say like the indoctrination of five iron or like the rhetoric, you probably have a lot of memories attached to the music and we know that music in memory is pretty linked in our brains.
31:12 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think five iron, they're not the left behind series or whatever.
31:15 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the reason Matt brought them up in that episode is they were like,
31:19 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_02]: protests songs and their records and stuff like that like they are the uh... their scob and not the raise against the machine of christian scob but they're like i don't know like like a little more political more left wing their christian left leftist so i'm just i'm just even trying to conceptualize rage against the machine of christian scob i'm trying to like paint a picture of what they're like and they're not that but like they're the political active
31:44 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Operation Ivy, maybe more like, okay, all right, Shining P writes in, she actually sent in an article about the like social, it's on the Atlantic folks who want to go read it.
31:56 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I look through it like about how headphone use is on the rise and it like changes the social aspects of listening, like everybody's isolated, but also like there isn't boom boxes or it's just the different soundscape of our lives.
32:09 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_05]: So much and tell that guy on the orange line to like not play his music out loud,
32:13 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_05]: People on the train just play that.
32:14 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: People on the train are still placing it.
32:16 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They're still like on their phones just like listening to.
32:18 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, yeah.
32:19 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So she says, she linked the article and then says, there's probably a bigger question about digital music in here, as well as the headphone specific aspect.
32:27 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Feel free to dissect as needed.
32:29 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just exerted one quote from it if we want to chat about it and then she goes on.
32:33 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But the article said, the visible barrier that headphones create between the listener and everyone else is obvious.
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_02]: less obvious is the invisible barrier.
32:42 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_02]: The more time we spend in our own musical echo chambers, the less likely we are to share a collective cultural experience.
32:49 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_02]: The power of music has long been, its ability to soundtrack a generation, to evoke emotion, as well as summon a specific time and place.
32:58 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Headphone listening not only isolates the listener, it shrinks music's cultural footprint.
33:05 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Thoughts.
33:05 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I think, I mean, I agree with that statement.
33:08 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_05]: There's not much to disagree with here.
33:10 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I also like headphones, I'm really stuck on this term, the visible barrier that headphones create because I often, and I, it's weird to admit this, but sometimes if I'm out in public and I don't want to be bothered, like if I'm walking around campus and I don't want to be bothered, I'll have my headphones on, but won't be listening to anything just to give people a visual cue to not talk to me.
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, which, sure.
33:33 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of for Yucky, I think, I don't know.
33:36 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_05]: But that's like reiterating the point that she's making that we are kind of going to cocooning almost.
33:40 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And she says, sorry, I didn't even her question really about it.
33:43 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Was there so much here?
33:45 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But do you see or also desire a shift to a hunger for musical experiences that are deeper and more communal?
33:51 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you see as being lost or gained with headphones listening?
33:54 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So I, as a musician and at one point,
34:01 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, there was like a desired broadcast my identity and my possible coolness with music.
34:07 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I used to think like, you know, that one English teacher or physics teacher or whatever that would like have music playing on a CD player when you're coming in and I mean like, oh my God, it would be so cool to be able to do that.
34:18 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And just like blast my like,
34:21 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Allison chains or whatever freshman year of high school and everybody would hear it and they'd be like, wow, Mark likes Allison chains.
34:27 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, how heavy, right?
34:28 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And like that was a thing, even though that would be everybody has their own little islands and people would be like, why the hell is he listening to that?
34:34 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
34:34 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I still do that.
34:35 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I think classes when they're doing group work.
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
34:38 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I like put on music for them to like vibe, just to have them on the background.
34:42 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_05]: And I often am very thoughtful about the music I put on to project a certain identity of myself for sure.
34:49 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:49 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, what am I going to pick?
34:50 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like, representative, you know.
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Something upon death or something like that.
34:54 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Now it's usually a crumbar grin.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Crumb garden.
34:57 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't pronounce that kind of garden.
34:59 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that.
35:01 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's like the go-to now.
35:03 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's like, bye-be.
35:04 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the soon's like, oh, wow, she's so cool.
35:06 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So are there things aside from you being really cool?
35:10 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_02]: what is lost like the communal aspect that essentially we could say the boom box created because you're talking about even just like for forget about music like I could be listening to a podcast at the dog park and like my headphones in me in my ear are a signal that I don't want to talk to you so it's not even about Pete it's not like I want everybody to hear the the podcast and I will feel awkward about that sometimes if I see people at the dog park this
35:40 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I will pull my headphones out and just lurk by the people in case, no, I'm serious.
35:45 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So that I'm signaling like, I am willing to be a part of this.
35:49 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to be weird, right?
35:51 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though maybe I do want to just let the dog run around while I'm listening to News or music stuff.
35:57 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_05]: I need them like you.
35:58 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I do.
35:59 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
35:59 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, have we lost the music?
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we have lost something.
36:03 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we lost the capacity for sing along's.
36:06 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, and I love a sing along.
36:08 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's cool sometimes, but I'm driving.
36:11 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I like purposely turn the music up and purposely put my windows down.
36:15 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_05]: So other people can like, listen to the music I'm listening to with me.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just weird.
36:22 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Just a weird thing.
36:23 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So Shineen ends just kind of I guess answering her own questions so to speak.
36:28 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_02]: She says on a related note that also comes up in the article.
36:30 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_02]: My husband and I recently bought our kids their own boom boxes.
36:34 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So they can each own and play entire albums, have ad free music, and we can shut off the duck song radio once in a while in the living room.
36:41 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_02]: bracket.
36:42 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, do you know that is?
36:43 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I have no idea.
36:44 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I can you'll have to put it in.
36:45 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We got we got to look it up.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that is close prints.
36:47 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it really sounds like she does not want us to bite it because she wants to set it up a lot.
36:51 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's like baby shark.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_05]: So, but like the modern equivalent.
36:53 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
36:54 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_00]: When the dark walked up to the lemonade stand and he said to the man run in the sand.
37:00 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, bump bump.
37:02 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Got any grapes?
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The man said, look, this is getting old.
37:07 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, lemonade's all the other souls.
37:10 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not give it a go?
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The doc said, how about no?
37:14 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Then he waddled away, he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he waddled, then he
37:36 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Or staring at them, moving the animated album cover with like the floating stars or whatever it would be.
37:40 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, oh, the water on the new album, like, my kid does the lyrics for sure.
37:44 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_05]: She'll listen to the lyrics.
37:46 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's still there.
37:46 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: She screens time.
37:47 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:48 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not getting smart devices any time soon, good for you, Shining.
37:51 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But these moon boxes do have Bluetooth for when the time comes.
37:54 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been fun to hear the music coming from various places in the house.
37:58 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And we are excited to have them get to know songs from their preferred artists that make it less algorithmic airtime.
38:04 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like there's something lost with digital music, and a getting deeply acquainted with an artist that happens when you don't have to have their whole album.
38:13 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Or listen to it in the painstakingly selected order the producers intended.
38:17 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Listeners are encouraged to hop around tracks on a playlist, not live with an artist work long enough to let it shape them.
38:23 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we just overly nostalgic?
38:25 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you two see the pros and cons here?
38:28 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
38:28 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, so much there.
38:29 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, pros and cons, I have some.
38:32 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I like listening to albums from beginning to end.
38:35 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I like the the artistry of like choosing the arc of an album and like what goes where and I think that that's part of the storytelling and music for me is a like I sure you will agree as a lot about storytelling.
38:48 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that the fact that we're skipping through tracks, like there's a lot of cons, and I also think that when you listen to a whole album, you get to skip tracks that aren't for you, and that helps you determine what is for you by knowing what you don't like in an artist, and I think that just listening to...
39:05 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_05]: The radio songs or the TikTok songs is a real con because you're not seeing like a full breath of the artists and also not developing your own musical sense because you're not getting a chance to experience things that you don't like.
39:20 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Does that make sense?
39:21 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's also interesting, too, if we think of the move box as doing kind of two things, one, it'll play a CD or something, right?
39:28 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Or like an album, but also the radio, right?
39:31 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And so you're getting the stulger for both the like curated story and like developing your own identity through your reaction to the songs you're talking about of a record.
39:42 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But also, the kind of chaos of the radio, we're like literally you change the station and you don't even know what kind of music will be next.
39:50 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You hit scan and it can be classical music.
39:52 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a surrendering with the radio that happens more with an algorithm where you can like film up or thumb down a song and lose that artist will never come back on the Pandora playlist or whatever again.
40:05 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, so it's funny, you kind of get
40:08 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_02]: the uncurated album experience, but also the hyper curated, but also chaotic radio experience.
40:14 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
40:15 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_05]: We only listen to the radio in my car.
40:18 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Like the terrestrial radio.
40:19 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
40:20 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:21 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:22 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_02]: The analog.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably not analog anymore.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It goes analog though.
40:26 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
40:27 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks to your comment.
40:28 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Jenny.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_02]: That was really, really cool.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for the send in.
40:32 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Great.
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So our next bit is from Cincinnati, Joe.
40:35 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_05]: If you like Metallica, check out the fun thrash it out podcast.
40:39 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_05]: They covered two metallic albums along with classic metal, groove, doom, death, modern, etc.
40:45 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a Brit and an American with somewhat different taste, which makes for good discussion, even if you don't like the particular album they're talking about.
40:52 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_05]: much less music theory than never mind.
40:55 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot of talking about the band, the genre, the album, and going through track by track.
41:00 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_05]: The Brit has released music, but makes us living writing fiction, including the action movie, quote, Atomic Blund, and recent, recently cozy mysteries.
41:10 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Tristan's
41:10 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for that shout out to the rationale podcast through it on my my cue.
41:14 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't listened yet, but I'm curious I love that it's like there's an American and the Brit the people are people like oh, yeah The never mind the music podcast.
41:22 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a Bostonian and a San Diego, you know like maybe the music and the site like what are our Sort of bins yeah, well and what do we what are our names like like how do you summarize?
41:32 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if one of the guys is the Brit unless that's literally what he's like I think that they'll say with the
41:38 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_02]: the funny one and the not funny one that's funny yeah yeah and we just have to wonder who the hell they're talking about okay yeah we'll just have to wonder thanks and thank you
42:04 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_02]: From Doug, oh, so he shared this, Mike Battalion Sweet Lorraine, 31 TET version.
42:13 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So, first of all, Mike Battalion.
42:15 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Hit me up, Mike, it's possible we are disney related through my great-grandmother.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So, what's it up?
42:21 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a family name?
42:22 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a, that is a Sicilian last name.
42:26 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.
42:27 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So, what this is, 31 tone equal temperament, I think is what it calls is what that refers to.
42:35 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a YouTube video that Doug posted in the discord.
42:39 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_02]: that question I pipe it in or should I play you a part of it?
42:43 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to queue it up.
42:44 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's this jazz tune sweet Lorraine, but played on a piano that has been tuned to 31 divisions of the octave instead of 12.
42:53 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know what that means.
42:54 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_02]: In micro tones.
42:55 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you think of an octave from C to C is having 12 notes, right C, C sharp, D, D sharp,
43:00 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so instead of like repeating multiple octaves and just like the piano is just all the little microtones in between.
43:06 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't actually know how they do it if it's the octet the piano is divided differently and he's kind of rewired it.
43:14 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So like one octet is three octaves of space or if if he's using MIDI later to like tune it differently, but this guy records this.
43:23 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_02]: microtonal version of this, too.
43:27 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's so, do you want to hear a minute of it or should I?
43:29 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's only fun if you can react to it.
43:32 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're going to hear the beginning where it's going to sound a little normal, so to speak, with maybe a couple weird notes, and then I'm going to skip forward when he starts bringing in the actual weird microtonal stuff.
43:44 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is like, instead of a note that's C or C sharp, it's going to be a note somewhere in between those two, right?
43:51 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what gave it away, but Doug, oh, thought we might be into this kind of weird craft and you are right.
43:56 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
43:56 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So here's the beginning.
44:13 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
44:15 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I love that.
44:15 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
44:16 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice, yeah.
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a jazz standard, sweet Lorraine, right?
44:18 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, and later on, we start getting these notes he's putting in that substitute.
44:24 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And he has a whole video, separate video that explains how he got the different tuning, like, what did he do with his, cause he's playing the digital piano.
44:31 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't watched it yet, but he's messing with it to get this sound.
44:42 --> 44:57 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching.
45:00 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you hear?
45:01 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Does it sound different to you?
45:02 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's like a clicking or there's some like clicking noises that are happening.
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not just me.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the clicking that you're hearing is just the sound of the keys.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's that though.
45:11 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of nuance.
45:12 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So the tuning though, the tuning is shifting in and out.
45:16 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I think what he's done is he's tuning certain cords.
45:19 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So they are perfectly in tune.
45:21 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is when you have certain cords, certain cords have to be out of tune to fit within the key.
45:26 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:26 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And the way I don't want to get into, but because of the over-toned series, we talked about on our green day episode, we shouldn't necessarily in a key have everything be perfectly in tune and by shifting
45:37 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So certain chords are perfectly in tune, like when he does little key changes and stuff, the tuning shifts, and you hear this weird warping sound, but it sounds cool, but it sounds super cool.
45:45 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's disorienting to what we normally expect on a piano, so I don't know.
45:49 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I like it.
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for sharing that.
45:50 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I think you might be related to this Mike Battaglia.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Battalia, yeah.
45:54 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Battalia.
45:56 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking in great grandparent level.
45:57 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Great great.
45:58 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_05]: It counts.
45:59 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: If so, differently related.
46:02 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how common that name is.
46:03 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Let us know.
46:04 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
46:05 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Doug.
46:06 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to have me read the next one because it's it undermines something I said, which I support and I've changed my mind, my point of view is been shifted.
46:14 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_05]: So from Ion, I need to add something before.
46:17 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So when we're talking about Neil Young, we're talking about Colin Hey, I think.
46:21 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_05]: And how I said that I sung a young live and I was disappointed by his performance.
46:25 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got a lot of feedback on the discord about that and he on elaborates.
46:31 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really going to have to defend a young.
46:33 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_05]: He's one of my all-time favorite artists and there may have been shows where he sounded like he was phoning it in, but by and large, he doesn't even at 80 years old.
46:41 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_05]: His last tour of Australia, I saw both of the shows he played in Melbourne.
46:45 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I was 2013 and he was 68 years old.
46:48 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_05]: One of the shows was over three hours long, in filled with long improvisational guitar solos from young.
46:53 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_05]: I'd actually say he's one music artist who came out in the 60s who actually maintained his rage well into old age, and I think we found our Australia listener here with us bit of feedback.
47:04 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got way more than one Australia.
47:05 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fine.
47:06 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Australia.
47:07 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: The English speaking world, we've got multiple from for most countries.
47:11 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_05]: There's more than two.
47:12 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_02]: More than two, yeah.
47:13 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Separately.
47:14 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_05]: So Ian goes on also just on his best period.
47:19 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Initially, yes, it was in the 1970s, but he also had something of a rebirth in the 90s as the godfather of the crunch movement.
47:26 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_05]: his albums from Freedom to 1989 to Miraball in 1995, which Pearl Jam was his backing band, where I'll excellent in amongst his best work.
47:36 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I agree, and I was first exposed to nearly young with the Grunge rebirth, and then got into, I was really into Crossbow Sills National Young when I was a kid, and that was my first kind of entry point.
47:47 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So thanks for your feedback in comment.
47:49 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I just caught him on a bad night.
47:51 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I was having a bad night.
47:52 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_05]: It's all
47:56 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_02]: No, subjective.
47:58 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Subjective got it and I'd love to see Neil Young again as he's still doing it.
48:03 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_05]: It's still alive.
48:04 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely alive as of this recording, but is, is he still playing?
48:08 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably probably.
48:09 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
48:10 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Probably he, it seems like the guy that has to play.
48:12 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's got to be pushing 80 or, or over 80, right?
48:15 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:16 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_05]: So, this feedback goes on.
48:18 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Funny you talk about time being bitterly single for their latest album because SD just got married in Paul Thomas Anderson programed a film festival for her wedding.
48:29 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
48:29 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Paul Thomas Anderson, Paul is my accent, really slip there.
48:33 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Paul Thomas Anderson is a friend of the family, and in liquorish pizza, Alana was the female protagonist, and Danielle and Astee played her sisters, and their father and mother were their father and mother in the film.
48:46 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_05]: They only appeared in one scene though.
48:48 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Alana is also in one battle after another, but only briefly.
48:52 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes, she's she's on early in that film.
48:56 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw haven't seen licorice pizza.
48:57 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen it?
48:57 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I haven't seen one battle after another either.
48:59 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, but people say I should Going on the discussion on phomo and joma was interesting and hit close to home for me as a strong introvert with social anxiety I'm always feeling the push and pull.
49:11 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I should go to this event, but really I'd rather stay home and put a film on I can really relate to that and I when I listen back to that phomo and jomo episode really late
49:21 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_05]: helped me reframe my own feelings of FOMO that now I'm starting to like fabricate reasons that I can't go to things.
49:29 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't have FOMO.
49:30 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to share the latest latest FOMO?
49:33 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_02]: From last week to week.
49:33 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, from last week when you went to our friend Chris Faleus.
49:38 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Chris Faleus at his band Punchline.
49:41 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_05]: It was playing a show in Boston.
49:43 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_05]: And Chris was very nice to put us on the guest list because we're famous now.
49:46 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_05]: We're really important people so well actually Mark it was Mark with a plus one so we're from being honest, but Because I told it.
49:55 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay because you you bail that's why I took a new pass one in case she doesn't she says I'm always gonna bail.
50:01 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's just so it might go to the eye it's just like time she didn't go
50:05 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't go, but I couldn't, but the thing is, with time, I just chose not to go, so I felt foam-wall, but this I actually couldn't, like I had something at home that I couldn't get away.
50:15 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_05]: So I didn't have foam-wall, because I knew that I didn't have autonomy over the choice.
50:21 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't get to pick the choice was kind of made for me because of my life circumstance.
50:25 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want real talk that's gonna make you mad?
50:27 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was just so fun.
50:28 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, no, no, it was real fun.
50:30 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were great.
50:31 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I hung out with them in the green room.
50:32 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Like backstage and then school.
50:34 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_02]: They had just recorded a podcast.
50:36 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they did like a show recap podcast afterwards.
50:39 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was cool to hear.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_02]: When I walked in Chris was literally editing this thing.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, bro, I'm going to uploading it.
50:46 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, that's not what I was going to say.
50:48 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Just I'm not trying to make you feel bad about what you missed.
50:50 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Although you did.
50:51 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_02]: You had a really good reason you couldn't go.
50:54 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_02]: You created a structure that made that possible, because you didn't put it on your fan of family calendar earlier.
51:01 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't put it on my family calendar earlier.
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You had a legitimate conflict.
51:04 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You had to stay home because that had a, but I couldn't have prevented it.
51:09 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
51:09 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_05]: But also the thing is like, even if I did put it on the calendar, you can't, I can't be like actually honey, no.
51:16 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But you were asked to support our family.
51:18 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You were like going mad at my friends.
51:19 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
51:20 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But you were like meta talking on the chat, you know, and I don't feel any foam up because this isn't at up, this isn't in my control.
51:27 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_05]: But I could have controlled it.
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, but you could have grabbed control.
51:30 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I could have grabbed control, but I'm not a partnership, you know?
51:33 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We're like literally recording.
51:35 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_02]: We finish recording the podcast with Chris and I'm like, wait, when are you playing a boss in?
51:38 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, February, whatever, putting it on the put in the calendar, wife do not schedule something that day.
51:44 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So it happens.
51:45 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It happens and you'll have to catch them next time.
51:47 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I will.
51:50 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not bringing you, I probably won't.
51:54 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to hang up backstage with a bunch of dudes.
51:56 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Like that doesn't seem super fun to me.
51:58 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're nice dudes, I'm sure, but I would have been the only chick there.
52:01 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's different.
52:03 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Gender is important.
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you know it was only dudes?
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_05]: It's my strongest option.
52:08 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Am I right?
52:09 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the band is only dudes, so yeah.
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
52:12 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
52:13 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So, going on, and this isn't any one person that sent anything, I just wanted to follow up a bit on the whole plastic trumpet thing from the discord.
52:24 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
52:25 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_05]: You need to tell us what that is.
52:27 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
52:27 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is in the middle of January.
52:30 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody posted on the discord of photo.
52:33 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_02]: of what turned out to be the like L.A. session musician John Lewis playing like a video game concert like a symphony concert playing a pamphid professional transparent plastic trumpet that's gross and there was a lot it it looks really it looks like a water slide you know like a plastic tube haha sorry i don't mean to imply that you see the the the saliva in it absolutely
52:56 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But it has a plastic clear tube that makes me feel like it's a mini water side, but But anyways, there was a whole back and forth of is this a good instrument?
53:06 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Dated at a, why would you play this?
53:08 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And I asked my bandmate Max because I have two trumpet players in the band, but only one of them like literally transparent.
53:15 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, one of them flew to Europe to buy a rotary trumpet.
53:19 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So like one of them is a trumpet nerd.
53:21 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
53:22 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_02]: The other is maybe less of a trumpet nerd.
53:24 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Like he doesn't have
53:25 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_02]: as much, you know, it's like there's guitar guys that are tech guys that are not right.
53:30 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder how is trumpeting so lucrative that that's guy can do that.
53:35 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's just performing in debt from his literal job.
53:40 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So.
53:41 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Max says, Slacademic's Trumpet Player.
53:44 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason why most trumpets are made of brass or alloy similar to brass, like copper or bronze.
53:49 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been that way for a thousand plus years because brass is what works best.
53:53 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Have they made trumpets out of other materials throughout history?
53:55 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
53:56 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Our MFA has a silver room where two natural trumpets from the early 18th century were made out of silver, not silver plated.
54:04 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the guys I studied broke trumpet with at NEC.
54:07 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Played them before I met him and he asked, guess how they sound?
54:10 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, the opposite of brilliant insanely dull.
54:13 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, yeah, brass resonates really damn well.
54:17 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's durable, malleable, machinable.
54:19 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no clue why John Lewis is playing a pamphlet trumpet.
54:22 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_02]: When his gold plated GR mouthpiece, that's 400 bucks.
54:27 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_02]: His mouthpiece is more expensive than the trumpet.
54:29 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Does he do it just like for a showmanship?
54:32 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I think 100%.
54:33 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, just like be like just so podcast or talking about it.
54:36 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's exactly what the discord finally like after a little bit of this is like, I think he's just doing it.
54:42 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So people notice him and also it's like, maybe he doesn't care that much about this gig.
54:47 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's his part meeting like, it's okay if his trumpet part doesn't sound as amazing.
54:51 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like playing some video game music or whatever and he's like, you know what?
54:54 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_02]: The people would like more than a awesome sounding trumpet, a cool thing for the camera to look at.
54:59 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm wondering too, I don't really know who John Lewis is, but from the context clues, I can imagine he's a very good trumpeteer.
55:06 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I was the trumpeteer.
55:07 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_05]: trumpeteer, trumpeteer, trumpeteer, trumpeteer.
55:09 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Trumpeteer, trumpeteer, who plays the trumpeteer.
55:10 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_05]: trumpeteer, trumpeteer, trumpeteer, trumpeteer, trumpeteer.
55:12 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so even his worst, like 50% trumpeteer performance is probably another person's hundred percent.
55:19 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_05]: So even if it's a bad instrument, he's probably such a great trumpeteer, trumpeteer, who plays the trumpeteer, that doesn't matter.
55:26 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_02]: probably doesn't really matter that much.
55:30 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_05]: It does seem gross though with all the spitting blood.
55:34 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The water slide.
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's gross.
55:36 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my.
55:36 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's gross.
55:37 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
55:37 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to wrap us up?
55:38 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We got we got one more and people right in for more.
55:42 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is another Australian listener.
55:44 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_05]: You're right.
55:45 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we did just do an episode on Down Under.
55:48 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_05]: And you were talking about your family ties for Australia too.
55:50 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that gave us some clote.
55:52 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Did I talk about family ties?
55:54 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my in-law, yeah, in-laws, yeah.
55:56 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_05]: So Melanie T writes, I listened to the Down Under episode on the weekend and wondered if you knew Australia doesn't really use, quote, fair use, like the US.
56:08 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_05]: We have a fair dealing exception to our copyright, which is far more restrictive.
56:13 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Basically, you can only use someone else's work for research, study, criticism, review, or parity satire.
56:19 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And even there, we're quite limited, example in the education sphere.
56:24 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_05]: If someone uses a book for their course reading, they can only digitize one chapter, or 10% of their book.
56:30 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_05]: So she goes on straight.
56:32 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_05]: If the cook-a-barer case had been an American case, it might have been fine.
56:38 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Also, cook-a-barer.
56:40 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_05]: We pronounced the first syllable as you would the word cook, as in a chef, not as cook, as an eccentric person.
56:48 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_05]: It sounds so strange when Americans say it.
56:51 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
56:51 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So cook-a-barer.
56:52 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Cook-a-barer.
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56:57 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Cook-a-barer.
56:58 --> 56:58 [UNKNOWN]: Cook
56:58 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Cook a barra.
56:59 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Cook a barra.
57:00 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_02]: The barra.
57:00 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The barra.
57:01 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_02]: The mother's here.
57:02 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_05]: She's the one who is the barra.
57:04 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Cook a barra.
57:05 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Cook a barra.
57:05 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally did not know that.
57:06 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely, the version that I played of that was, and knew that would haunt us.
57:12 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
57:12 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We played.
57:13 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I didn't have, like, I couldn't find, like,
57:15 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Silver chair doing cook-a-bar.
57:17 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have like an Australian.
57:19 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I found like there's the American I think I played Larry Grocer's version and you guys cook-a-baro sets and so and it's cook-a-baro Cook-a-baro which is an interesting vowel the hold for a longer note, but cook-a-baro So yeah, thanks for the correction and no I didn't know that fair use wasn't really Fair dealing is different from fair use I guess fair use also barely exists here also.
57:41 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a law, right?
57:43 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It is it is a
57:45 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_02]: legal principle that is followed sort of.
57:48 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So it sounds similar but maybe more restrictive in Australia.
57:52 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I still think we do fall under fair dealing for our podcast and what we used to broadcast.
57:56 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
57:57 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we're not playing nearly 10% of songs anyways.
58:01 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So we are educational and maybe even parody set tire at our worst.
58:07 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Like hey, if you don't like the episode,
58:13 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
58:14 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Mailbag.
58:15 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
58:15 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Mailbag.
58:15 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, everybody.
58:16 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do another one in a couple months.
58:18 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So hit us up.
58:19 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep the emails coming.
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