#52 - Point Break (1991)

[00:00:00] Welcome to Properly Howard, a podcast that reviews classic films and other pulp fiction.

[00:00:25] Today we take a look at the 1991 robotic action crime thriller Point Break.

[00:00:31] Starring Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze, Point Break is a film about surfing, bank robberies

[00:00:36] and Gary Busey's insatiable lust for meatball sandwiches.

[00:00:41] With me to discuss this film as always is Dr. Anthony Ladon.

[00:00:45] He needs to Steve.

[00:00:48] He could have had three.

[00:00:50] Steve, I just want to make it clear that I grew up in the 80s.

[00:00:56] I never tried cocaine.

[00:00:59] And I almost feel like that disqualifies me from reviewing this film.

[00:01:06] This movie is 100% pure adrenaline.

[00:01:10] Is it possible for a movie to be on cocaine?

[00:01:15] There's movies about cocaine.

[00:01:17] There's directors that have used cocaine a lot.

[00:01:21] But for the actual film to be a cocaine addict, I feel like that's how I would describe this film.

[00:01:33] I mean, I've seen this movie a lot.

[00:01:37] Yeah.

[00:01:38] In lieu of cocaine?

[00:01:40] Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:41] Once you gave up cocaine, you needed to do this once a week just to feel alive.

[00:01:45] Yeah.

[00:01:46] If I don't watch Point Break after a couple of weeks, I get to start getting the shakes.

[00:01:53] I mean, almost like with anything, right?

[00:01:56] Like a really good basketball player says the game slows down for him.

[00:02:00] Once you watch Point Break enough, it starts to mellow out.

[00:02:03] Oh, is that right?

[00:02:04] I didn't know that.

[00:02:05] Yeah.

[00:02:06] All right.

[00:02:07] Well, with that...

[00:02:08] Gary Busey becomes a lot more subtle.

[00:02:09] Interesting.

[00:02:10] I had no idea.

[00:02:11] So, I'm going to play you something here and I just want you to really kind of take it in.

[00:02:40] Here it comes.

[00:03:02] Cod my first tube this morning.

[00:03:06] Now, here's what interests me about this scene.

[00:03:10] This is the actor John C. McKinley.

[00:03:13] He is in a scene with Gary Busey where he out Busey's Busey.

[00:03:18] Oh, yeah.

[00:03:19] I kind of feel like Busey as his faculties have started to go, you know, whether it's

[00:03:26] age, whether it's lack of motorcycle helmet.

[00:03:30] Like he's collecting.

[00:03:34] Like he's collecting probably people he's encountered.

[00:03:37] So, over time he would start channeling McKinley because that scene was probably the way they

[00:03:43] did that scene a few times and now he's just sort of entrenched in there.

[00:03:47] So sometimes he has a hard time differentiating himself from Captain Harp.

[00:03:52] It's funny because when I was trying to tell my wife about this because she's

[00:03:55] never seen this.

[00:03:56] And I've only seen this twice now once in that.

[00:04:00] Did Sarah watch it?

[00:04:01] Mid-90s, she did not watch it but I was trying to explain to her what it's about

[00:04:05] because she's like, I always heard that was a great movie.

[00:04:07] I was like, why'd you hear that from?

[00:04:09] Probably Steve.

[00:04:11] And I was trying to describe it to her.

[00:04:14] I was like, well, you know, it's Keanu Reeves and Gary Busey and Patrick

[00:04:19] Swayze and the guy from the Chili Peppers and Tom Sizemore.

[00:04:25] And then I was thinking, you know what?

[00:04:27] That's really underselling the movie.

[00:04:29] You think you know what this movie is about but it's really McKinley who's

[00:04:36] the most over-the-top performance in this film and that's saying something.

[00:04:42] Yeah.

[00:04:43] And because I mean, because Keanu is perpetually under the top.

[00:04:47] I think he just summed up Keanu Reeves.

[00:04:52] All right.

[00:04:54] So yes, he's perpetually under the top.

[00:04:57] However, there is a scene where he kind of goes toe to toe with Gary Busey

[00:05:04] and we'll talk about that a bit later but I'll let you go ahead and finish.

[00:05:08] Yeah.

[00:05:09] So I mean, I don't know.

[00:05:10] I think we've touched on Keanu in the past and it's funny because

[00:05:17] we watched it last night of course because we do enjoy this movie quite a bit.

[00:05:21] And so she says she enjoys this movie despite Keanu Reeves but she also watches

[00:05:26] all the John Wick movies several times also despite Keanu Reeves.

[00:05:29] I find it very interesting and this is where in her and I,

[00:05:32] we're just not seeing eye to eye and Heather if you're listening to this

[00:05:35] I understand you're still going to be arguing with me but right now I have the mic.

[00:05:41] I think these movies succeed because of Keanu Reeves.

[00:05:46] She says, oh, every time he talks he takes me out of the movie and I'm like,

[00:05:50] maybe that's all right.

[00:05:52] Maybe a movie like John Wick or a movie like Point Break is worth stepping out of for a second.

[00:06:03] I mean, maybe being in there too deep is like, you know, because I think Keanu Reeves,

[00:06:08] he goes in too deep obviously going undercover in this movie.

[00:06:11] So maybe you can go too deep into a movie like this and you need Keanu.

[00:06:15] It's like a little splash of cold water on the face.

[00:06:18] Okay.

[00:06:19] So I am an FBI agent.

[00:06:25] It's perfect.

[00:06:26] All right.

[00:06:27] So I want to tell you, you tell me if I'm wrong here.

[00:06:31] You correct me, but here's the narrative around this movie for probably 20 years.

[00:06:36] There was always a conversation around Keanu sort of pre John Wick and the conversation was he's a horrible actor.

[00:06:45] He might be a nice guy.

[00:06:48] He's never been a good actor.

[00:06:50] The reply usually was what about Point Break?

[00:06:54] The rejoinder to that reply was always, well, he plays kind of a stupid surfer guy in that film.

[00:07:03] And so it works because he doesn't really have to act.

[00:07:08] Now after watching this tonight, I'm thinking, yeah, but he's from Ohio.

[00:07:14] Yeah, he's not.

[00:07:17] I think one of my favorite parts of the movie in terms of just like, like, are you sure is when Lori Petty character is like dismissing him as an inauthentic surf guy.

[00:07:31] Have you had, you've had two conversations with this guy?

[00:07:35] Like I would assume that he was the mayor of Surftown.

[00:07:41] Keanu is a guy that I think I was a late adopter to embracing.

[00:07:44] I mean, I think I fell on the same category as my wife, which is sort of like, I think things succeed despite him except for like Bill and Ted.

[00:07:51] Bill and Ted was like, oh yeah, for sure.

[00:07:53] And then parenthood he kind of plays the same kind of thing, right?

[00:07:55] This is what I'm talking about.

[00:07:56] Yeah, all of these roles that those are quality movies by the way.

[00:08:00] Right.

[00:08:01] And then and then he does Point Break.

[00:08:02] And then I think people paint with a broad brush and they don't really dig into it and go, well, he's a surfer.

[00:08:06] So of course it makes sense.

[00:08:07] It's like, no, no, no, he's not the surfer.

[00:08:10] Like he becomes the surfer, but he's not the surfer.

[00:08:14] In fact, outside of like sort of faux spiritualized conversation, Patrick Swayze doesn't really take on any kind of surfer ethic.

[00:08:23] Yeah, this is interesting because I almost assume if I was going to think Patrick Swayze, I would think that he could easily play Midwestern dude,

[00:08:35] a roadhouse dude or whatever.

[00:08:38] Right.

[00:08:39] And you could put him in California, you know, he could easily play that role.

[00:08:42] But Keanu Reeves, no one is more Southern California than Keanu Reeves.

[00:08:48] So it's almost like these two guys are playing against hype, but it works because like if you needed a guy to fool a bunch of surfers, Keanu Reeves is your guy.

[00:09:01] Right.

[00:09:02] This is where I'm going to come to Keanu's defense.

[00:09:05] Have you heard him talk?

[00:09:06] I mean, this is what he sounds like.

[00:09:08] So it's like when he, this whole concept that he's so far, this is not helping me.

[00:09:14] Well, what I'm saying is that if somebody on screen speaks in a way that's natural to them, you would say that's a good actor.

[00:09:23] I don't feel like they're acting because that's like you talk to him, you hear him in an interview, you see him on screen.

[00:09:28] It's like, sure, they go up and down in terms of their emotions.

[00:09:30] But for the most part, they don't feel like they're just going through their lines.

[00:09:34] But if you listen to Keanu Reeves, like this is who he is.

[00:09:37] Like he's a bad actor in real life.

[00:09:40] So he's a good actor on screen.

[00:09:46] Oh, interesting.

[00:09:48] I've never heard this particular take before, but I do want to play you something.

[00:09:53] What do you want?

[00:09:55] Shrimp and fries.

[00:09:57] I mean, what do you want?

[00:09:59] Why do you keep hanging around here?

[00:10:00] I need you to teach me.

[00:10:02] Give me a break.

[00:10:03] Shrimp and fries to go.

[00:10:08] Do you like something to drink with that, sir?

[00:10:09] I'm serious.

[00:10:10] I can see that you're serious.

[00:10:12] Forget it.

[00:10:13] Stick to tennis.

[00:10:16] I don't know. Whatever you do, get a minute to call.

[00:10:18] Number 37.

[00:10:20] You don't understand.

[00:10:21] I'm going to learn to surf or break my neck.

[00:10:24] I'm going to try to talk seriously about this movie for a minute.

[00:10:31] I'm going to tell you something that I hate about this movie and something I love about this movie.

[00:10:37] So at its core, this is an undercover cop movie, right?

[00:10:43] And it's kind of brilliant.

[00:10:45] It's 91.

[00:10:47] I mean, I was in the middle of a movie.

[00:10:52] I mean, I was enamored with surf culture in 91, even though I can't balance on roller skates much less a surfboard.

[00:11:02] But I was drawing pictures of surfers.

[00:11:05] So if you were to tell me, look, there's an undercover FBI agent and he has to infiltrate a group of bank robbing surfers.

[00:11:14] I would be all in.

[00:11:16] Say no more.

[00:11:18] All right. So I'm in on the premise, but if you're going to do a movie like that, you have to make the transition from cop to insider criminal convincing.

[00:11:29] That's always the biggest problem with this.

[00:11:32] And so sometimes it's like, you're Italian.

[00:11:35] Let's put you in with the mafia.

[00:11:38] In this movie, you got to send an FBI agent from Ohio and make him palatable and embraced by this criminal surfing crew.

[00:11:52] And that transitions crucial for the movie to work in that scene I just played for you.

[00:11:57] I don't believe that she's going to fall for him.

[00:12:00] This is not going to work unless this woman has also not been wearing a helmet on the motorcycle.

[00:12:08] She's not going to fall from my parents both died in a car accident.

[00:12:13] This is a bad way into it.

[00:12:16] I see. I firmly disagree.

[00:12:20] All right, say more.

[00:12:21] Would you suggest that all of surf culture is made up of hyper intelligent individuals?

[00:12:30] I'm going to learn to surf or break my neck.

[00:12:35] So this is somebody that he's talking to who has a little bit of a rap sheet.

[00:12:42] Right? She previously dated Bodhi considers Bodhi to be kind of a spiritual individual, which suggests to me she's maybe not the most critical thinker,

[00:12:55] especially when it comes to the opposite sex.

[00:13:00] So there is an end and he finds an end that plays to sort of her baser instincts.

[00:13:08] And it wants to talk about first off, you want to talk to her about something?

[00:13:13] Here's what you probably need to talk about surfing.

[00:13:16] Now you may be a bad surfer and she wants nothing to do with you, which is already kind of a weird premise.

[00:13:22] But let's be real.

[00:13:24] Tiano could get it.

[00:13:26] All right.

[00:13:27] He's a good track man.

[00:13:29] Okay.

[00:13:30] So let's just make this real clear.

[00:13:32] She's single.

[00:13:34] She's working at a place where shrimp and fries is on the menu.

[00:13:38] I wouldn't exactly say she's got a ton of options.

[00:13:42] All right, so here comes really good looking dude who's kind of charming despite what you may think.

[00:13:51] And he finds a way to tug at her heartstrings and look, she wants to surf.

[00:13:57] She wants to teach him to surf.

[00:13:59] He's pretty hot.

[00:14:01] She's kind of lonely.

[00:14:03] I think overdoing that would be disingenuous.

[00:14:08] Okay, first of all, she's a very attractive woman.

[00:14:11] And I mean...

[00:14:13] She's got kind of a Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day kind of thing going on.

[00:14:17] Yeah, I don't know what it is, but this is working for me for sure.

[00:14:20] So she's not going to be bowled over by Keanu Reeves.

[00:14:23] She was just dating Patrick Swayze.

[00:14:28] Okay, we're talking about over...

[00:14:30] So you're going to talk...

[00:14:32] If you're going to come at Keanu Reeves is acting, I'm going to come at the hotness of Patrick Swayze.

[00:14:39] Go on.

[00:14:40] I mean, his head to body ratio is kind of absurd.

[00:14:48] I mean, he's a fun copop.

[00:14:51] Continue.

[00:14:53] So and he's how much older than her, right?

[00:14:58] I mean, he's not a young man, right?

[00:15:01] Sure.

[00:15:02] And Keanu, side by side, and I know this is probably going to upset some folks, but Keanu's a better catch.

[00:15:13] I agree with everything you say.

[00:15:15] I don't understand Patrick Swayze.

[00:15:18] I don't understand the fascination with him and yet he is a sex icon for Gen X women.

[00:15:27] And there's no debating it.

[00:15:29] And so it's like...

[00:15:30] No, no.

[00:15:31] It's one of these things where it's like, my eyes must be fooling me because there's something about this guy that made an entire generation of women swoon.

[00:15:42] And how do you argue with that?

[00:15:44] You can't argue with that.

[00:15:45] I mean, look, my wife had a thing for when she was younger.

[00:15:49] People do.

[00:15:50] I'm not saying he's an unattractive man.

[00:15:52] We're just going side by side.

[00:15:53] You made the argument that...

[00:15:55] You kind of said he was...

[00:15:57] In so many words, you said he was an unattractive man.

[00:16:00] I said his head to body ratio is absurd and I stand by it out.

[00:16:04] Get a protractor.

[00:16:06] I do believe you use the word fun copop.

[00:16:10] Yes, I have fun copops.

[00:16:12] I'm not opposed to a fun copop.

[00:16:14] I'm just saying.

[00:16:16] So the point being for me is, you know, she had Patrick Swayze.

[00:16:21] Yeah, but she doesn't anymore.

[00:16:23] Okay.

[00:16:24] Here's the thing I love about this movie.

[00:16:26] And I was kind of...

[00:16:28] There were times in this movie that I laughed out loud because they were so absurd.

[00:16:33] But here is a moment of the film that made me think that was a great scene.

[00:16:40] There's a scene where Keanu meets Patrick Swayze for the first time.

[00:16:45] And there's a little kind of a little bit of a pissing contest because it's like,

[00:16:50] Oh, you got a new guy.

[00:16:53] I thought we were a thing, but now you're with this new dude.

[00:16:58] You know, they're kind of boxers in a ring circling each other.

[00:17:01] Then he throws a football.

[00:17:03] And it's already been established that he's some hot shot QB from the Midwest.

[00:17:09] And when he throws the football, immediately it cuts to the beach at night.

[00:17:15] They're playing football on the beach.

[00:17:18] And I thought in terms of filmographic storytelling, the shorthand of that scene does so much work.

[00:17:26] And I thought that was brilliant.

[00:17:28] Yeah.

[00:17:29] And I don't have to give me all of the information about how he ingratiated himself to this crew.

[00:17:34] They needed a quarterback opposite to Swayze.

[00:17:38] And this guy's got the arm to do it.

[00:17:40] And what more do you need on the beach?

[00:17:44] Yeah.

[00:17:45] No, I think you're right.

[00:17:47] And I do want to talk about Catherine Bigelow as the director for this film.

[00:17:52] Because you mentioned...

[00:17:53] You're like, oh man, you're going to tell me that there's going to be an FBI agent going undercover

[00:17:58] to infiltrate a gang of surfing bank robbers.

[00:18:03] You're like, especially in 91, you know, you're going to be like, hell yeah.

[00:18:08] But if you really lay this movie out and you just chart it, it's...

[00:18:17] It's bunkers.

[00:18:18] I mean, it is a bunkers idea.

[00:18:21] And Catherine Bigelow takes a pretty bonkers idea and makes it not just palatable, but pretty damn enjoyable.

[00:18:31] Like I know it's absurd and I know it's ridiculous, but I've watched this movie a bunch.

[00:18:36] And there are things I appreciate.

[00:18:38] First off, I think some of the directorial choices and some of the cinematography,

[00:18:42] especially with all this water is really gorgeous.

[00:18:45] Now I've watched... I've had to, you know, now watch it on like my much nicer 4K TV.

[00:18:50] It's really something to look at.

[00:18:52] And there is an economy of storytelling that Catherine Bigelow does, which I think is a credit to the idea of like...

[00:19:00] So this is where I pushed back a little bit on your whole back and forth.

[00:19:03] He used the dead parents as sort of as an end.

[00:19:07] I think she actually does that pretty well.

[00:19:09] I think she uses an economy of time and circumstance to move a story along that really would probably suffer with more details or exposition or quite frankly logic.

[00:19:25] This movie is about adrenaline junkies.

[00:19:30] And it's an idea that there's this Midwestern, you know, FBI agent.

[00:19:36] So unlike a Donny Brasco where he gets lured in by maybe just the mob life and the family and he loses himself,

[00:19:44] he falls in love with this adrenaline search.

[00:19:49] So it is simplistic in some ways, right?

[00:19:53] I mean, it's...

[00:19:54] I do have a different take on this, but I'm going to let you finish.

[00:19:57] So you think it's effective?

[00:19:59] I think it's effective in the sense that his getting into deep was kind of what he...

[00:20:06] When he told that story about...

[00:20:08] And he made up the story about doing everything for his parents,

[00:20:11] I don't buy as the movie goes on that he was lying entirely.

[00:20:18] No, I think he uses the truth.

[00:20:19] I mean, he uses his name.

[00:20:20] He uses where he's from.

[00:20:22] I think he's being honest and doesn't even realize how honest he's being until he starts chasing the waves, bro.

[00:20:33] I have a different take on the adrenaline rush thing and I'll get to that later.

[00:20:40] But before I do, I want to play you something else here.

[00:20:47] Are you through, Mr. Wizard?

[00:20:49] Let me know if you find Jimmy Hoffa under the seat while you're at it.

[00:20:52] I love this truck, the old, cynical, older car.

[00:20:55] Oh, look at this.

[00:20:56] It's so good.

[00:20:57] It's 730. Why the night is still so young.

[00:20:59] The way you're going, you're going to be able to solve this case and start another one, huh?

[00:21:02] Drop a car in my ass.

[00:21:04] You've been working bank robbery what? 22 years?

[00:21:06] Yeah.

[00:21:07] 22 years.

[00:21:09] Man, LA has changed a lot during that time.

[00:21:11] The air got dirty and the sex got clean.

[00:21:13] So a guy with that kind of timing must have some theory about these guys.

[00:21:17] Leave it alone, Johnny.

[00:21:19] Okay, fine. You've given up. Fine.

[00:21:21] It doesn't mean I have to.

[00:21:23] Hey, hey! Listen!

[00:21:24] Oh, I love the scenes.

[00:21:25] Forget about it. I watched it twice last night.

[00:21:26] They are ghosts!

[00:21:27] Yeah, of course.

[00:21:28] What am I thinking?

[00:21:29] If you couldn't crack it with all your years of experience,

[00:21:32] it's impossible to conceive that I might have something to offer, right?

[00:21:35] Burnout.

[00:21:36] Well, maybe I can do better than some over-the-hill burnout.

[00:21:38] Watch your mouth.

[00:21:39] Maybe you ought to just take some early retirement right now

[00:21:42] and get some Renacop night security job, tell Nam a story.

[00:21:45] Listen!

[00:21:46] Not a little shit!

[00:21:47] I was taking Shredle on a quesad while you were crapping in your hands

[00:21:50] and rubbing it on your face!

[00:21:51] You mad?

[00:21:52] Yeah, man!

[00:21:53] Good and mad, yeah!

[00:21:54] What do you want to do about it?

[00:21:55] It's good, doesn't it?

[00:21:56] Like, you're still alive, right?

[00:21:58] Yeah!

[00:21:59] Well, since you're still alive

[00:22:00] and you're not in the box just yet,

[00:22:02] why don't you tell me the theory of yours?

[00:22:04] Isn't this...

[00:22:05] So, uh, not an Oscar nomination in this movie.

[00:22:08] It's crazy.

[00:22:10] 91 better be...

[00:22:11] Better be chock-full of pretty great performances

[00:22:14] to leave both of those off.

[00:22:16] Are you kidding me?

[00:22:17] Also, what I like about this scene, this again,

[00:22:19] uh, credit to Katherine Bigelow.

[00:22:21] I love the cops in the background.

[00:22:23] They, like, sometimes movies or directors don't do this very well.

[00:22:27] They all are, like, stopping and looking

[00:22:29] and they're out of focus in the back

[00:22:31] but they're clearly like,

[00:22:32] what the hell is going on?

[00:22:33] And I like that.

[00:22:34] I think that's great.

[00:22:35] Like, that's a very authentic moment.

[00:22:37] Whether you find that to be dramatic or not,

[00:22:39] the police officer is kind of stopping to just be like,

[00:22:42] what the hell?

[00:22:43] I think that's pretty great.

[00:22:44] Can you imagine working in the same office as Gary Busy

[00:22:48] for 22 years?

[00:22:49] Jumping and surfing on a desk.

[00:22:53] First off, this was an amazing advertisement for the FBI.

[00:22:57] They're eating Chinese food and drinking Corona's late night

[00:23:00] and then one of them's gonna go serve.

[00:23:02] Yeah, okay, sign me up.

[00:23:03] Well, on top of that,

[00:23:04] you can rob banks in your spare time.

[00:23:06] For sure.

[00:23:07] For sure.

[00:23:10] So this movie would like me to believe

[00:23:13] that the ex-presidents have eluded capture

[00:23:17] for years.

[00:23:19] No one can find out who they are.

[00:23:22] But Gary Busy has a theory.

[00:23:27] Gary Busy is the smartest man in the FBI.

[00:23:31] Well, see, this is the thing.

[00:23:32] Sometimes people overthink it.

[00:23:34] This is, I'm glad you're bringing this up

[00:23:36] because this is actually all well played out

[00:23:39] and they start the movie off this way

[00:23:41] where Harp is walking him through the nerve center

[00:23:45] of Bank Robbery Central

[00:23:47] and everything is analytics.

[00:23:49] It's moneyball.

[00:23:50] He's explaining how the FBI is now doing

[00:23:54] what baseball does.

[00:23:55] It's all data driven.

[00:23:56] It's all data driven.

[00:23:57] It's all data driven.

[00:23:58] Everything you need to know is right here

[00:23:59] in these computers.

[00:24:00] Things are buzzing.

[00:24:01] Things are printing going crazy.

[00:24:03] That's it.

[00:24:04] You're here to just live clean

[00:24:06] and crunch these numbers

[00:24:08] and then you'll get to what you want.

[00:24:09] But there's an old school guy

[00:24:11] who doesn't even know why he's swimming for bricks.

[00:24:17] So this is a heart versus head story.

[00:24:19] For sure.

[00:24:21] Why do you think Keanu Reeves

[00:24:23] was brought into this unit?

[00:24:26] Probably because he tests super well.

[00:24:28] He does.

[00:24:29] We already know he's a great shot.

[00:24:31] But he probably does everything analytically.

[00:24:33] So he's taken out by this guy.

[00:24:37] So Gary Busey is the gateway to this world.

[00:24:41] And he jumps in and he realizes

[00:24:44] that everything he's done has been analysis.

[00:24:48] So the ex-presidents on one level,

[00:24:51] they're so professional.

[00:24:53] They never deviate from their pattern.

[00:24:55] They're in and out in 90 seconds.

[00:24:57] They never go for the vault.

[00:24:59] They've got the crowd control down to a science.

[00:25:03] So that has convinced the FBI

[00:25:05] that these guys are so professional

[00:25:09] that they can't be crazy.

[00:25:11] The idea of them being surfers

[00:25:14] is completely dismissed because,

[00:25:16] one, it's coming from Busey.

[00:25:18] And two, it doesn't fit the analytical profile.

[00:25:22] Right.

[00:25:23] And so here we have Busey.

[00:25:25] This guy's crazy.

[00:25:27] He's not crazy like a fox.

[00:25:29] He's legitimately crazy.

[00:25:31] He's...

[00:25:32] Homie eats at least two meatball subs for lunch.

[00:25:36] And regret's not getting a third.

[00:25:39] Oh my God, I love it.

[00:25:42] And he loves Calvin and Hobbes.

[00:25:44] This Calvin and Hobbes is funny.

[00:25:46] The comics make him laugh out loud.

[00:25:50] And slap the newspaper.

[00:25:53] It's time for lunch.

[00:25:56] Angelo, it's 10.30.

[00:25:58] Right around that corner, there is a sandwich shop.

[00:26:01] They sell meatball sandwiches.

[00:26:03] Best I've ever tasted. Would you go give me two?

[00:26:06] Come on, partner.

[00:26:11] Thank you.

[00:26:12] This guy eats two meatball subs

[00:26:15] at 10.30 in the morning.

[00:26:17] Utah! Give me two.

[00:26:19] Well, here's what I like about this.

[00:26:21] And I think there's so many different subtle moments.

[00:26:23] Like, Catherine Bigelow gives us so much of these characters.

[00:26:26] Whether or not it's super important for the story,

[00:26:30] it just gives these characters depth.

[00:26:33] Keanu Reeves is going to a sandwich shop.

[00:26:36] He's being convinced to go and get lunch at 10.30.

[00:26:39] His partner wants two meatball sandwiches.

[00:26:43] He makes it very clear.

[00:26:45] That's how much he loves these meatball sandwiches.

[00:26:47] Keanu, having never been to this place,

[00:26:50] doesn't even consider...

[00:26:52] Maybe I'll try this meatball sandwich.

[00:26:54] He gets tuna on wheat.

[00:26:56] Here's my thought.

[00:26:58] That's a bold move.

[00:27:00] If I go to a sandwich place and someone says specifically,

[00:27:02] they make amazing meatball sandwiches and I get tuna?

[00:27:05] Man, you want to talk about a guy who's an adrenaline junkie?

[00:27:08] I don't just get tuna from somebody I've never heard of

[00:27:11] and knowing that they specialize in meatball sandwiches.

[00:27:14] So here's my mistake.

[00:27:16] This is me bringing my analytical brain to a cocaine movie.

[00:27:19] I was thinking, oh, this is really sweet.

[00:27:22] He's going to have him buy two meatball sandwiches

[00:27:26] and one of them is going to be for Keanu

[00:27:29] because it's like one of these is for me

[00:27:32] because you would have to be crazy to eat two at 10.30 in the morning.

[00:27:35] I made you buy a second

[00:27:37] because the second one's for you.

[00:27:39] You got to try this meatball sandwich.

[00:27:42] No! He wants two.

[00:27:44] He says later he could eat three.

[00:27:47] Yep.

[00:27:51] And see, I think that's also a good example, right?

[00:27:55] I mean like, hey look man, you can live your life as a tuna on wheat guy

[00:27:58] or you can eat two meatball sandwiches at 10.30.

[00:28:01] Live, man.

[00:28:03] Rip it and rip it.

[00:28:05] 100% pure adrenaline.

[00:28:07] So it takes Gary Busse's crazy

[00:28:10] to see through the actual culture of the ex-presidents.

[00:28:15] To see that this is actually a surf crew.

[00:28:18] And he's actually got pretty good evidence for this.

[00:28:21] So he's got three points of evidence.

[00:28:23] Number one, when they rob.

[00:28:26] They rob, it looks like they rob

[00:28:29] when the waves are good in Southern California

[00:28:32] but then they use the money to fund wave searching life.

[00:28:38] Right? So they go across, they go over the globe

[00:28:41] with the money that they steal from the banks.

[00:28:43] In addition to that, they find sex wax

[00:28:47] on the crime scene

[00:28:49] and on top of that,

[00:28:52] there was one other point of evidence.

[00:28:54] I forget what it was.

[00:28:56] Did you recognize the butthole?

[00:28:58] It was the tan line above the butthole.

[00:29:04] It's like there's a tan line

[00:29:06] above the moonshot

[00:29:10] that said, what does it say?

[00:29:12] Fuck you on both cheeks or something like that.

[00:29:15] So these are his three points of evidence

[00:29:18] and I think this is a pretty good case.

[00:29:21] And so I'm wondering like,

[00:29:23] you're telling me no one else in this FBI unit

[00:29:26] thinks that there's any merit to this theory

[00:29:28] or is it just that Busse is that crazy?

[00:29:31] I think the answer is both.

[00:29:33] I think what you have is you do have

[00:29:36] sort of this wildcard guy

[00:29:40] who does not fit in with the mold

[00:29:43] that the department has gone to.

[00:29:45] And then nobody, like I think they're so,

[00:29:48] again, they're so analytics driven

[00:29:50] that they don't hear it.

[00:29:52] It doesn't match up with the data

[00:29:54] right from their perspective.

[00:29:56] And it's not like Captain Harp

[00:29:58] lets you get a word in edgewise.

[00:30:00] I mean this guy screams about everything.

[00:30:03] Like even if he likes your decisions

[00:30:07] like when he first gets in there

[00:30:09] and Keanu's in there and he's basically

[00:30:11] just agreeing with him

[00:30:13] and I feel the skin off the chicken

[00:30:15] and he's like, I like that.

[00:30:17] He's just screaming at him

[00:30:19] until he eats a donut

[00:30:21] and that was it.

[00:30:23] Was there a device, a cliche

[00:30:25] or a trope that you liked in this one?

[00:30:27] Captain Harp dude.

[00:30:29] I mean first off there's a ton of great stuff in there

[00:30:31] and I am an absolute sucker

[00:30:33] for a Captain that just is screaming all the time.

[00:30:36] You two have produced exactly squat!

[00:30:38] Squat!

[00:30:40] I like a burnout drunk

[00:30:43] who's sitting by the bonfire

[00:30:45] on the beach

[00:30:47] who just keeps spitting his beer into the fire.

[00:30:52] You like that?

[00:30:54] That guy to me is like,

[00:30:56] no I've met that guy, I know that guy.

[00:30:58] He doesn't care if he wastes the beer.

[00:31:00] He got a little taste of beer spouting

[00:31:03] and now that's all he cares about.

[00:31:05] He's not going to even surf with those guys.

[00:31:08] No, I'm here for the fire and beer bro.

[00:31:11] He's just sitting by the fire

[00:31:13] enjoying the fire

[00:31:15] and spitting beer into the fire.

[00:31:17] Was that Rosie? Was that the guy

[00:31:19] that was in charge of the kidnapping?

[00:31:22] One of my favorite lines.

[00:31:24] Okay first off there's a lot of lines

[00:31:26] that are amazing in this movie.

[00:31:28] When Swayze is referring to Rosie as like,

[00:31:31] I couldn't do it man.

[00:31:33] I couldn't do it.

[00:31:35] But he's got that gift.

[00:31:37] He's got a gift of blankness.

[00:31:39] He's going to gut her like a pig

[00:31:41] and try not to get blood on her shoes.

[00:31:44] Her shoes, I know.

[00:31:46] Which is great because I think

[00:31:48] that is also a really great example

[00:31:51] of this villain.

[00:31:54] And I think Patrick Swayze

[00:31:56] is kind of an underrated villain in this

[00:31:58] because he doesn't really

[00:32:00] ever, he doesn't deviate a bunch

[00:32:03] and he plays it.

[00:32:05] Like he could have played this way more sinister

[00:32:08] but he plays him just sort of real

[00:32:10] like just kind of like a regular guy

[00:32:12] which makes him a little bit like the fact

[00:32:14] that scene in particular

[00:32:16] the way he's like hey man

[00:32:18] I'm still the bodice de va man.

[00:32:20] I'm too spiritual for this man.

[00:32:22] I get squeamish but I mean

[00:32:24] I'm not going to let anybody else do it.

[00:32:26] Okay so I think this is a good time

[00:32:28] to give you my take on Swayze.

[00:32:31] Keanu is kind of fitting in

[00:32:34] trying to fit into a new culture

[00:32:36] and it's sort of this

[00:32:38] like you said analytics driven

[00:32:40] FBI culture straight laced

[00:32:42] you know skin off the chicken kind of guy

[00:32:45] and he knows

[00:32:47] that he would fit well there

[00:32:49] if he continues on the path

[00:32:51] that he's going

[00:32:53] but he kind of gets seduced

[00:32:55] and this is kind of a tropey thing

[00:32:57] for undercover cop movies

[00:32:59] like are you going to go native or what

[00:33:01] but he gets seduced

[00:33:03] and what he's seduced by

[00:33:05] is what these criminals

[00:33:07] are preaching about the zen life

[00:33:10] of surf culture so he's attracted to that

[00:33:13] and he has this moment

[00:33:15] on the surf

[00:33:17] where he can't really describe what he's feeling

[00:33:19] because he's really having kind of a god moment

[00:33:21] on the water

[00:33:23] but the people who are preaching

[00:33:25] this message to him about the zen life

[00:33:27] of surf culture

[00:33:29] are actually liars

[00:33:31] because they're what they really are

[00:33:33] are adrenaline junkies

[00:33:35] so while they preach a good game

[00:33:37] they are absolutely

[00:33:39] not living that game

[00:33:41] and what ends up happening is

[00:33:43] he ends up getting attracted

[00:33:45] to the wisdom

[00:33:47] that's being provided to him

[00:33:49] even if the purveyors of the wisdom

[00:33:51] don't actually

[00:33:53] abide by that lifestyle

[00:33:55] and in the end

[00:33:57] he decides he's going to let

[00:33:59] Swayze

[00:34:01] go for that one last killer wave

[00:34:03] and

[00:34:05] he ends up throwing his badge into the ocean

[00:34:07] because

[00:34:09] he's become more zen

[00:34:11] than Swayze could ever be

[00:34:13] because he's not an adrenaline junkie at this point

[00:34:15] what do you think about that

[00:34:17] interesting

[00:34:19] he serfs every day

[00:34:21] I think that's a good

[00:34:23] that's a pretty apt take

[00:34:25] the idea that

[00:34:27] he committed himself to the life

[00:34:29] that they shrouded themselves in

[00:34:31] and maybe weren't really

[00:34:33] buying into it

[00:34:35] it appears that he's pursued it

[00:34:37] look his hair is longer

[00:34:39] suggesting a passage of time

[00:34:41] and more laid back

[00:34:43] attitude

[00:34:45] and it's an interesting element of him

[00:34:47] letting Swayze

[00:34:49] go

[00:34:51] because that's always been a little bit

[00:34:53] of a complicated moment

[00:34:55] in the movie

[00:34:57] I think because

[00:34:59] it appears

[00:35:01] it suggests that he's been on the force

[00:35:03] long enough

[00:35:05] to

[00:35:07] essentially avenge

[00:35:09] Popis' death

[00:35:11] and finish this case

[00:35:13] and then

[00:35:15] he's been through it

[00:35:17] with this guy

[00:35:19] this is a lot

[00:35:21] and

[00:35:23] it appears as though he's like

[00:35:25] once this is over I'm out

[00:35:27] so that's interesting

[00:35:29] in and of itself

[00:35:31] they have that moment where he says

[00:35:33] I can't live in a cage

[00:35:35] just let me do this thing

[00:35:37] and I'll be out of your hair

[00:35:39] and we'll both get what we want

[00:35:41] and you won't have to

[00:35:43] hunt me down anymore

[00:35:45] and I think

[00:35:47] this is further seduction

[00:35:49] but what ends up happening

[00:35:51] he realizes well that actually makes sense

[00:35:53] I cannot

[00:35:55] live in that way

[00:35:57] and still be an FBI agent

[00:35:59] so I'm going to embrace the Zen life

[00:36:01] let this guy die the way he wants to die

[00:36:03] but I know that if I do that

[00:36:05] I'm done

[00:36:07] with the FBI

[00:36:09] so yeah

[00:36:11] that's why I think

[00:36:13] that he ends up converting in the end

[00:36:15] he almost becomes the person

[00:36:17] that Swazi always said that he was

[00:36:19] right and to let

[00:36:21] Swazi

[00:36:23] go but still

[00:36:25] perish

[00:36:27] is

[00:36:29] an interesting Zen approach

[00:36:31] because

[00:36:33] he could be like look you need to

[00:36:35] suffer for the suffering that you put

[00:36:37] me and Popas's family

[00:36:39] all this other stuff through right

[00:36:41] but he opts not to

[00:36:43] and that feels like a bit of a

[00:36:45] Zen moment right where it's just like look

[00:36:47] I want this closed

[00:36:49] I need closure

[00:36:51] you need to no longer be a threat

[00:36:53] this needs to be

[00:36:55] we need to tie a bow on this in some way

[00:36:57] and it's like okay

[00:36:59] look it worked out I got you here

[00:37:01] we've got the whole department here

[00:37:03] we did this whole thing in Australia

[00:37:05] and

[00:37:07] then I'm just gonna let you go and it's like

[00:37:09] but it's a moment of closure

[00:37:11] and he does it in sort of a Zen type

[00:37:13] way where it isn't to say I want revenge

[00:37:15] or I'm gonna make you suffer it's like look

[00:37:17] just go

[00:37:19] go away forever well yeah he says

[00:37:21] he says you know you can take me in

[00:37:23] you can be a big hero that's all great for

[00:37:25] you but

[00:37:27] that's all ego man

[00:37:29] that's pride fucking with you

[00:37:31] so he decides

[00:37:33] no this is more elegant

[00:37:35] I'm gonna let nature take this guy

[00:37:37] he's gonna give himself

[00:37:39] to the big wave

[00:37:41] and I don't get to be a hero

[00:37:43] but that's even better because I get

[00:37:45] to cast off my ego

[00:37:47] and this is sort of symbolized with the badge right

[00:37:49] yeah and somewhat

[00:37:51] and you can see that can be somewhat

[00:37:53] complicated with the idea that

[00:37:55] you also know I mean the flip side

[00:37:57] of that would be I know how the system

[00:37:59] works you could be he could

[00:38:01] be tied up in these

[00:38:03] the court system

[00:38:05] for a while he could end up getting off on a

[00:38:07] technicality somebody does something wrong

[00:38:09] you know some clerical error

[00:38:11] and he's back out there again but this way

[00:38:13] I let him go

[00:38:15] the earth consumes him

[00:38:17] and that's that's that's justice

[00:38:19] yeah yeah I like

[00:38:21] that I think it's a really

[00:38:23] well told story

[00:38:25] I'd love to see Catherine Bigelow make

[00:38:27] more movies I mean the movies that she's

[00:38:29] made

[00:38:31] are pretty impressive

[00:38:33] but it kind of feels like she only makes one every

[00:38:35] 10 years

[00:38:37] I mean what else

[00:38:39] when you when I say Catherine Bigelow

[00:38:41] what else do you think of

[00:38:43] her locker zero dark 30

[00:38:45] strange yeah her locker that's right

[00:38:47] yeah I think of like like zero dark

[00:38:49] 30 I did not realize she did blue

[00:38:51] steel with Jamie Lee Curtis and Ron Silver

[00:38:53] the K-19 the widow maker

[00:38:55] and that's a sequel to

[00:38:57] to canine with

[00:38:59] Jim Belushi

[00:39:03] anyway

[00:39:05] alright so there's a few

[00:39:07] there's definitely a few

[00:39:09] dogs on this list

[00:39:11] but

[00:39:13] given

[00:39:15] the paucity

[00:39:17] of her filmography like she does not

[00:39:19] make a lot of movies

[00:39:21] she's got some bangers

[00:39:23] on this list

[00:39:25] and I'll be honest

[00:39:27] I did not remember

[00:39:29] this movie fondly and it was probably because

[00:39:31] it was at the stage of my life

[00:39:33] where I was like this is absurd

[00:39:35] but I

[00:39:37] guess I just

[00:39:39] I wasn't

[00:39:41] able to see past the absurd

[00:39:43] because this is actually

[00:39:45] this is a movie that has a veneer of

[00:39:47] of absurd

[00:39:49] I mean there's a healthy

[00:39:51] dose there's no sure

[00:39:53] it's like it's almost

[00:39:55] like the appetizer

[00:39:57] and the dessert are absurd

[00:39:59] but the actual meal

[00:40:01] the main course is

[00:40:03] is a pretty decent movie here

[00:40:05] yeah I

[00:40:07] I mean I like it for a lot of reasons I like

[00:40:09] I like it because of the absurdity I like it because

[00:40:11] it's actually a well-toed story I think that what

[00:40:13] she's doing she she sort of conjures up

[00:40:15] some like illogical magic

[00:40:17] right like because it's

[00:40:19] it shouldn't

[00:40:21] it shouldn't keep me as wrapped

[00:40:23] given the absurdities right

[00:40:25] but

[00:40:27] in a weird way

[00:40:29] at all

[00:40:31] like I said it seems necessary in a way like there's

[00:40:33] something about I mean and there are

[00:40:35] some magical

[00:40:37] moments of dialogue

[00:40:39] I mean

[00:40:41] maybe nothing more

[00:40:43] significant than back off War Child

[00:40:45] seriously

[00:40:47] amazing

[00:40:49] amazing

[00:40:51] the

[00:40:53] just lose something

[00:40:55] brah

[00:40:57] Viacon Dios

[00:40:59] at the end is so good

[00:41:01] speaking to microphone

[00:41:03] squid brain great

[00:41:05] Bucy lion

[00:41:07] I love

[00:41:09] I've seen that

[00:41:11] lawnmower scene dozens of

[00:41:13] times and it always makes me anxious I think

[00:41:15] it's super well directed

[00:41:17] there's like

[00:41:19] really legitimate tension there I like

[00:41:21] that it turns out that one it's not those

[00:41:23] guys and you in your mind you're like well

[00:41:25] even if it's not those guys sounds like it was a good

[00:41:27] idea they broke this up turns out they screwed

[00:41:29] up a whole DEA

[00:41:31] deep cover thing I think that's really an

[00:41:33] interesting

[00:41:35] addition that feels value added to

[00:41:37] me and well I do a little

[00:41:39] bit of Tom's size more and that

[00:41:41] was a that was a nice surprise for me

[00:41:43] I for sure I would love me some

[00:41:45] Tom size more and that's about

[00:41:47] the right dose of him

[00:41:49] exactly yeah

[00:41:51] so um

[00:41:53] I yeah those guys were probably less

[00:41:55] his size more those guys were probably worse

[00:41:57] dudes than

[00:41:59] the ex presidents

[00:42:01] right if you think about it well and it's

[00:42:03] interesting to like the

[00:42:05] sort of the spiraling right once

[00:42:07] once Bodie

[00:42:09] realizes it's kind of going away

[00:42:11] right like now that he's got Keanu

[00:42:13] and toa like everything's just sort of unraveling

[00:42:15] right and so in a way he's

[00:42:17] upping the stakes of the adrenaline

[00:42:19] chase right

[00:42:21] and at the expense of

[00:42:23] his cohorts

[00:42:25] and because it's like look

[00:42:27] this is get like this is becoming that big wave

[00:42:29] right you know what I mean like he's been

[00:42:31] he surfs the big waves they talk about which

[00:42:33] is the bigger wave to go and and so

[00:42:35] in this case he kind of

[00:42:37] manufactures a bigger wave to serve

[00:42:39] right like it's

[00:42:41] the stakes are way higher we're going to the vault

[00:42:43] like this is even more dangerous like

[00:42:45] you're paddling out too far at this point

[00:42:47] and somebody's gonna have to pay

[00:42:49] the price maybe it's me

[00:42:51] maybe it's the people I'm working with but if we survive

[00:42:53] this man this is the story

[00:42:55] this is this is the biggest wave

[00:42:57] and so it just and so it just

[00:42:59] keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger

[00:43:01] and it starts to consume all of those around

[00:43:03] him he survives that right and

[00:43:05] like that's I

[00:43:07] think that's a great it's a great

[00:43:09] tension building situation where he

[00:43:11] undercuts everything and it does go to your point

[00:43:13] which is this is not

[00:43:15] a zen life I'm not

[00:43:17] living the surf zen life I am chasing

[00:43:19] a bigger wave because I need

[00:43:21] to feel that adrenaline so

[00:43:23] that's what this whole thing is getting away with it is one

[00:43:25] thing but you know it's even more exciting than getting

[00:43:27] away with it maybe not getting

[00:43:29] away with it and that's

[00:43:31] and that's kind of a I think

[00:43:33] it's a pretty true way to

[00:43:35] portray that character and so I think

[00:43:37] I think that in with all the

[00:43:39] absurdity like you say there is a

[00:43:41] really interesting tapestry of

[00:43:43] character development being drafted

[00:43:45] throughout the whole thing. Okay, I got

[00:43:47] two questions first

[00:43:49] question is

[00:43:51] kind of crucial to this movie

[00:43:53] are the

[00:43:55] two skydiving

[00:43:57] scenes the first

[00:43:59] skydiving scene Keanu

[00:44:01] has to decide am I

[00:44:03] going to jump out of an airplane

[00:44:05] with this parachute

[00:44:07] that was packed

[00:44:09] by a guy who I'm pretty sure

[00:44:11] is a felon and who has made

[00:44:13] me already. Right.

[00:44:15] Is this a problem?

[00:44:17] This got to be a problem, right?

[00:44:19] Always got to do something. I mean

[00:44:21] honestly like that did take me out of it

[00:44:23] because I was thinking you're letting

[00:44:25] this guy put a loaded gun in your mouth

[00:44:27] like that's ridiculous.

[00:44:29] What's his options

[00:44:31] at this point? Don't get on the airplane.

[00:44:33] Oh, I see what you're saying

[00:44:35] just don't but like he's still trying

[00:44:37] I think he's still trying to maintain a certain level

[00:44:39] of

[00:44:41] under coverness.

[00:44:43] How is this possible after

[00:44:45] that big chase scene

[00:44:47] even going back to

[00:44:49] Tyler at that point I thought was kind of

[00:44:51] ridiculous

[00:44:53] and then he shows up and clearly

[00:44:55] he knows who he is

[00:44:57] I'm just thinking

[00:44:59] he wants to kill me.

[00:45:01] Yeah, no I mean I think that is a scene

[00:45:03] that

[00:45:05] it can be a bit of a head scratcher

[00:45:09] I don't know that he had a lot

[00:45:11] I think he was kind of in a spot too

[00:45:13] I could buck against it but if they

[00:45:15] know if they've made me

[00:45:17] then I probably just die here

[00:45:19] in home you know what I mean

[00:45:21] Well also does this guy have a death wish because

[00:45:23] the second

[00:45:25] maybe the most absurd thing about this

[00:45:27] movie the second skydiving

[00:45:29] scene number one knowing

[00:45:31] skydives twice in one day

[00:45:33] that's that's absurd

[00:45:35] but the second one

[00:45:37] he waits

[00:45:39] a good five seconds

[00:45:41] after Swayze jumps out with

[00:45:43] a parachute

[00:45:45] and decides I'm going to

[00:45:47] go out without a parachute

[00:45:49] and just trust

[00:45:51] my ability to grab

[00:45:53] on to Swayze at some point

[00:45:55] in the air

[00:45:59] at this point he's a superhero

[00:46:01] Well there is I think that element

[00:46:03] this is where I do think maybe some of that adrenaline

[00:46:05] chasing does sort of

[00:46:07] infect him a bit

[00:46:09] and that might be part of it

[00:46:11] again questions

[00:46:13] what are the options

[00:46:15] just staying in the plane

[00:46:17] Yeah, no I

[00:46:19] for me I say on the plane

[00:46:21] I do not jump out of

[00:46:23] a plane without a parachute

[00:46:25] on the off chance

[00:46:27] that I can tackle Patrick Swayze

[00:46:29] midair

[00:46:31] that's absurd

[00:46:33] I love so there's a lot of

[00:46:35] this interesting thing about this movie that like

[00:46:37] a lot of connective

[00:46:39] elements a lot of

[00:46:41] a lot of parallels are

[00:46:43] drawn

[00:46:45] like I think there's a point where you know they talk

[00:46:47] about being surrounded by assholes

[00:46:49] and then like a few scenes later

[00:46:51] you actually see an asshole

[00:46:53] I like how the movie starts in the rain

[00:46:55] it ends in the rain

[00:46:57] I mean the water motif is pretty strong

[00:46:59] knee injury

[00:47:01] right I mean he gets

[00:47:03] he didn't become a good

[00:47:05] he didn't go pro because his knee got

[00:47:07] injured and he injures his knee

[00:47:09] in a chase

[00:47:11] right and like there's something

[00:47:13] like I mean it's like there's also a lot of those

[00:47:15] types of things that I think are kind of fun type

[00:47:17] tie everything together

[00:47:19] I do have a question for you and

[00:47:23] why LBJ like I mean

[00:47:25] of all

[00:47:29] I mean there's a lot

[00:47:31] there's a lot of presidents

[00:47:33] that choose from and

[00:47:35] I mean LBJ was a choice you know what I mean

[00:47:37] I mean I'm good friend

[00:47:39] making the cut but like

[00:47:41] I mean I'm trying to think of first off

[00:47:43] where he get an LBJ mask

[00:47:45] so this is how it happened they're going to

[00:47:47] a Halloween store

[00:47:49] and

[00:47:51] by three you get one free

[00:47:53] mask deal

[00:47:55] this particular Halloween store

[00:47:57] finds it very difficult

[00:47:59] to move the LBJ masks

[00:48:03] so they know that they need

[00:48:05] for they know they save a little bit of money

[00:48:07] LBJ is not

[00:48:09] a bad mask to give to like

[00:48:11] the guy in your crew

[00:48:13] who hasn't really earned it yet

[00:48:15] right like you've earned a mask

[00:48:19] but you're not getting

[00:48:21] you're not you're not linking my friend

[00:48:23] you're not linking

[00:48:25] you're going to get it kept it kept it

[00:48:27] relatively modern right

[00:48:29] didn't

[00:48:31] didn't uh well there is another commentary

[00:48:33] that's happening here it's like

[00:48:35] um you know they really

[00:48:37] kind of bipartisan

[00:48:39] trip I know no I think

[00:48:41] there's something about like you know this whole

[00:48:43] system is a crime

[00:48:45] you know that kind of thing

[00:48:47] so keeping it modern is probably

[00:48:49] part of that commentary

[00:48:51] it's like this whole system

[00:48:53] is a crime and

[00:48:55] these people are asleep at the wheel

[00:48:57] they don't know that the system

[00:48:59] is actually you know turning them

[00:49:01] into you know highway

[00:49:03] zombies and what we're

[00:49:05] going to do is we're going to

[00:49:07] shine a light

[00:49:09] and show what presidents are really like

[00:49:11] they're really all thieves

[00:49:13] kind of the narrative that they've told

[00:49:15] themselves in reality they're probably

[00:49:17] stealing money just because they're greedy

[00:49:19] right was there a

[00:49:21] tweak that you'd make to improve this

[00:49:23] movie

[00:49:27] I mean when something's perfect

[00:49:29] I think here's what I would

[00:49:31] probably change okay there might be

[00:49:33] a couple things one is the other FBI

[00:49:35] agent does his um

[00:49:37] surfing impression it's it's pretty

[00:49:39] cringey that's pretty um

[00:49:41] it's pretty cringey

[00:49:43] really really talking

[00:49:45] about taking me out of the movie I was like

[00:49:47] ah that's like

[00:49:49] just show me the butthole again I'd rather

[00:49:51] I'm more comfortable with that and the

[00:49:53] other thing is is uh

[00:49:55] let's let's everybody

[00:49:57] do a president voice why is Nixon the only

[00:49:59] one I guess to do this

[00:50:01] every opportunity it's it's a next

[00:50:03] thing I'm like you know I mean why

[00:50:05] why couldn't I mean because I think

[00:50:07] if I if I recall correctly and I think

[00:50:09] I made a note of this it seems like

[00:50:11] they're trying to disguise their voices because

[00:50:13] uh Patrick

[00:50:15] Swayze does almost like a British accent

[00:50:17] maybe a touch Irish

[00:50:19] when he's Reagan in the in the first

[00:50:21] part and I'm like do the Reagan

[00:50:23] do the Reagan voice

[00:50:25] trouble here's the trouble with the Reagan voice

[00:50:27] it's too low it's too quiet it's

[00:50:29] too whispery and

[00:50:31] you're trying to command

[00:50:33] the room you're trying to intimidate

[00:50:35] intimidate

[00:50:37] you almost have to be larger than

[00:50:39] life in which case

[00:50:41] let Nixon give him the next

[00:50:43] yeah let Nixon be the lead

[00:50:45] that's that's gonna be the lead I mean Carter's

[00:50:47] got I mean Carter's gotta be some fun with Carter

[00:50:49] we never go to the vault

[00:50:51] you know like there'd be something to be some fun

[00:50:53] like that

[00:50:55] um

[00:50:57] was there a half the battle one to grow on moment

[00:50:59] in this movie

[00:51:01] I would it's simply

[00:51:03] and again this not something that was

[00:51:05] a really good lesson in 91 but for sure

[00:51:07] now is make your deposits

[00:51:09] via a mobile app

[00:51:11] I wouldn't mind being around

[00:51:13] except for the last scene where the

[00:51:15] cop ruins everything

[00:51:17] um it's not

[00:51:19] it's not necessarily bad to be

[00:51:21] in a bank in a bank with

[00:51:23] the ex-presidents

[00:51:25] you have a story to tell

[00:51:27] if you just lay down

[00:51:29] um you know the worst that you're gonna get

[00:51:31] the you know pistol whipped or something like that

[00:51:35] it's pretty bad

[00:51:37] seems like a bad option

[00:51:39] this cop who wants to play hero

[00:51:41] why would you let

[00:51:43] the security guard has the right idea

[00:51:45] it's like just lay here

[00:51:47] let them take the money

[00:51:49] why do you have to be a hero

[00:51:51] no I know

[00:51:53] that's the actual villain of this film

[00:51:55] is that stupid cop on the ground

[00:51:57] hehehe

[00:51:59] no that's it

[00:52:01] I mean I love it and Harp still yelling at him

[00:52:03] at the end makes him look out the body

[00:52:05] I love it

[00:52:07] Steve is this movie better

[00:52:09] or on par with a Ron Howard movie

[00:52:11] I'm gonna give it a Ron Howard plus 2

[00:52:15] um we've seen Ron Howard

[00:52:17] with Keanu Reeves

[00:52:19] and uh this is

[00:52:21] this is much better

[00:52:23] so okay this is a tough one for me

[00:52:25] because

[00:52:27] I think it's a really good movie

[00:52:29] that at times

[00:52:31] becomes a really really really bad movie

[00:52:35] and I mean

[00:52:37] you don't cast Busey in a film like this

[00:52:39] unless you want Busey to be Busey

[00:52:41] right

[00:52:43] so a film with Gary Busey

[00:52:45] knows what it is from the get go

[00:52:47] I mean that to me that

[00:52:49] you've already told me what kind of movie this is

[00:52:51] just by casting Gary Busey

[00:52:53] and like I said

[00:52:55] uh

[00:52:57] McGinley is almost out Busey

[00:52:59] and Busey at one point

[00:53:01] Keanu goes toe to toe in a yelling match

[00:53:03] with Busey

[00:53:05] this movie has kind of that

[00:53:07] predator to feeling

[00:53:09] to it

[00:53:11] and yet I think

[00:53:13] that there's still waters run deep

[00:53:15] in this movie

[00:53:17] and so I'm gonna say

[00:53:19] Howard plus 1

[00:53:21] I enjoyed this movie

[00:53:23] a little bit more than I should have

[00:53:25] I'll say that

[00:53:27] and I think that's

[00:53:29] the testament right is

[00:53:31] this movie

[00:53:33] over achieves

[00:53:35] in odd ways

[00:53:37] because you said oh it's like

[00:53:39] this is a good movie and like oh it's times a bad movie

[00:53:41] I will say I love this movie

[00:53:43] and it is a bad movie

[00:53:45] done exceptionally well

[00:53:47] and I think that that matters

[00:53:49] all right

[00:53:51] I

[00:53:53] I think I will watch this again

[00:53:55] I'll probably watch it with my son if I do

[00:53:57] I kind of feel like

[00:53:59] this is one of these movies that

[00:54:01] it will only get better

[00:54:03] the more I watch it

[00:54:05] oh yeah I agree and well I mean

[00:54:07] I think I'm living proof because I remember when I first saw it

[00:54:09] I was kind of like

[00:54:11] probably similar to that probably saw one came out

[00:54:13] I don't think I saw it in the theater but I was kind of like

[00:54:15] eh like whatever like

[00:54:17] it's

[00:54:19] I don't think I mean I certainly didn't

[00:54:21] I think the problem maybe when I saw it was

[00:54:23] I wasn't appreciating

[00:54:25] that maybe the movie was

[00:54:27] better than I wanted it to be maybe

[00:54:29] it was

[00:54:31] it's easy to just point out all the different things

[00:54:33] that make it make you go yeah

[00:54:35] just throw this one out like this is just some

[00:54:37] some schlock

[00:54:39] but the more I watch it the more

[00:54:41] and the more like you kind of watch it maybe

[00:54:43] even as a goof you go this is pretty

[00:54:45] great actually and so we did a

[00:54:47] um

[00:54:49] St. Patrick's Waezy Day

[00:54:51] party last St. Patrick's Day

[00:54:53] and so everybody

[00:54:55] had to dress up

[00:54:57] as some character from

[00:54:59] uh Patrick's Waezy movie

[00:55:01] alright I can imagine

[00:55:03] the options already

[00:55:05] mm-hmm

[00:55:07] probably a lot of Roadhouse

[00:55:09] representation

[00:55:11] a lot of Roadhouse representation

[00:55:13] um there was actually some Donnie

[00:55:15] Darko representation which was impressive

[00:55:17] okay

[00:55:19] um

[00:55:21] I uh I was in a

[00:55:23] tuxedo and I had a Ronald Reagan

[00:55:25] mask

[00:55:27] and uh

[00:55:29] a nice long hair wig underneath

[00:55:31] so that it could

[00:55:33] stick out from underneath

[00:55:35] the uh the Ronald Reagan mask

[00:55:37] alright maybe you'll be able to

[00:55:39] help me with this

[00:55:41] so the Chili Peppers guy

[00:55:43] Anthony Kitas

[00:55:45] Anthony Kitas

[00:55:47] is this before he's

[00:55:49] the lead

[00:55:51] singer of one of the most celebrated

[00:55:53] 1990s bands

[00:55:55] as well after

[00:55:57] okay where Chili Peppers go back

[00:55:59] okay so

[00:56:01] has he been in anything else

[00:56:03] I think a question

[00:56:05] I don't know

[00:56:07] I mean I know that he's been in a bunch of stuff

[00:56:11] yeah

[00:56:13] there's a nice little connection

[00:56:15] I like to tie in here

[00:56:17] I believe it's the video

[00:56:19] uh

[00:56:21] for if you see me getting high

[00:56:23] probably the Red Hot Chili Peppers

[00:56:25] um

[00:56:27] I do believe

[00:56:29] that Alex Winter in it

[00:56:31] mm which means

[00:56:33] that Anthony Kitas has now played alongside both Bill and Ted

[00:56:35] ah

[00:56:37] interesting

[00:56:39] very interesting

[00:56:43] um because you know

[00:56:45] believable this guy's believable

[00:56:47] is sort of a surf tough

[00:56:49] for sure

[00:56:51] yeah what else have I seen Lori

[00:56:53] Petty in

[00:56:55] Tank Girl you've seen her in

[00:56:57] A League of Their Own

[00:56:59] A League of Their Own is what I remember

[00:57:01] yeah

[00:57:03] yeah this is uh

[00:57:05] the younger sister

[00:57:07] yes okay

[00:57:09] that's what I remember her from

[00:57:11] just an amazingly beautiful woman

[00:57:13] uh

[00:57:15] it's a good movie Anthony

[00:57:17] and I'm glad you watched it

[00:57:19] it's been a part of

[00:57:21] a part of our family

[00:57:23] here for a while

[00:57:25] um like it was one of those

[00:57:27] right last night I'm like hey I need to watch a movie

[00:57:29] for the podcast

[00:57:31] and others are like ah no thank you

[00:57:33] I was like it's gonna be point breaks

[00:57:35] so like that's

[00:57:37] very good

[00:57:39] it's comforting

[00:57:41] um so if I more like this

[00:57:43] on IMDB if I was gonna watch

[00:57:45] point break it's suggesting to me

[00:57:47] speed, road house

[00:57:49] um

[00:57:51] ghost, face off

[00:57:53] never seen, never seen ghost

[00:57:55] never seen ghost

[00:57:57] alright well here's what we're gonna do

[00:57:59] we're gonna do a season of

[00:58:01] of uh properly Howard

[00:58:03] where we uh

[00:58:05] we explore the

[00:58:07] supernatural a bit

[00:58:09] like that

[00:58:11] um ghost was a thing for a while

[00:58:13] oh yeah

[00:58:15] um

[00:58:17] I think I've seen enough of it to be like yeah I get it

[00:58:19] it's because it would always be

[00:58:21] it'll be interesting for me to rewatch it

[00:58:23] because I remember thinking

[00:58:25] it's pretty decent you know it's a love

[00:58:27] story and it's a little weird

[00:58:29] but um

[00:58:31] I remember thinking it was a pretty good movie

[00:58:33] but it's probably been

[00:58:35] 20 years since I've actually

[00:58:37] when's the last time you seen speed

[00:58:39] um

[00:58:41] it's probably one of these

[00:58:43] movies where I watch

[00:58:45] I think I watched it in the movie theater

[00:58:47] and thought that was

[00:58:49] ridiculous and you have to understand

[00:58:51] I was never a

[00:58:53] Keanu fan and

[00:58:55] I don't know that I am

[00:58:57] I'm kind of on Heather's side with this

[00:58:59] it's like

[00:59:01] the matrix is good

[00:59:03] we watch speed and she's like this is a pretty

[00:59:05] good movie like so we rewatched it

[00:59:07] and like we really enjoyed speed

[00:59:09] and again I'm putting this on well

[00:59:11] he can't be that bad

[00:59:13] she has a point that there are

[00:59:15] he tends to be

[00:59:17] in decent films

[00:59:19] but you don't like them

[00:59:21] because he's in them

[00:59:23] like I was thinking

[00:59:25] for my tweak if I was gonna make a tweak to the movie

[00:59:27] I would re-cast the entire thing

[00:59:31] see and I think that that's playing

[00:59:33] with that I would want

[00:59:35] Tom Seismore

[00:59:37] watch the new point break

[00:59:39] see what happens when somebody

[00:59:41] remakes point break and everyone talks about

[00:59:43] how it's just dour

[00:59:45] and humor

[00:59:47] I'm gonna put Tom Seismore in the

[00:59:49] Busey role

[00:59:51] Tom Seismore's poppers

[00:59:53] and I'm gonna put Johnny Depp

[00:59:55] same time period

[00:59:57] I'm gonna put Johnny Depp

[00:59:59] in the Keanu role

[01:00:01] maybe

[01:00:03] I don't know

[01:00:05] I'm gonna put Dennis Hopper

[01:00:07] and then Patrick Swayze

[01:00:09] role

[01:00:11] well now we're cooking

[01:00:13] what if you flip it

[01:00:15] Keanu is

[01:00:17] Bodie

[01:00:19] Patrick Swayze is an older guy trying to

[01:00:21] get into surfing and that's the

[01:00:23] way that Keanu is going to recover

[01:00:25] has Keanu ever played a bad guy

[01:00:27] has he ever been a villain

[01:00:29] um

[01:00:31] my initial reaction is to say no and I'm

[01:00:33] willing to bet on it but I don't

[01:00:35] I would have to look at the filmography

[01:00:37] but it just feels like

[01:00:39] he's never had that kind of collateral

[01:00:41] movie where he plays against type

[01:00:45] maybe

[01:00:47] I mean

[01:00:49] he's a killer

[01:00:51] and an assassin in John Wick

[01:00:53] I mean he's like the protagonist

[01:00:55] but in that movie

[01:00:57] he's a classic superhero I mean it's not

[01:00:59] a superhero movie but it's basically a superhero

[01:01:01] movie and so

[01:01:03] it's a vengeance movie where you're following

[01:01:05] the main character who's

[01:01:07] yeah I would not necessarily

[01:01:09] say he's a villain in that

[01:01:11] film

[01:01:13] yeah but he is a kind of a

[01:01:15] he's an unsavory individual

[01:01:17] oh there's no doubt about that

[01:01:19] but he but he doesn't want the life

[01:01:21] he doesn't

[01:01:23] he's drawn back to the life

[01:01:25] it's a life he's trying to get out of

[01:01:27] okay maybe

[01:01:29] I don't think he's ever played

[01:01:31] a villain

[01:01:33] um what's the watcher

[01:01:35] let's see the movie the watcher

[01:01:37] Los Angeles

[01:01:39] FBI Special Agent Joe

[01:01:41] Joel Campbell

[01:01:43] was almost like to save a young woman from a serial killer who's been investigating escapes

[01:01:45] Campbell clicks his job in the Chicago

[01:01:47] Chicago

[01:01:49] no I think

[01:01:51] I think Keanu is a serial killer in the

[01:01:53] watcher

[01:01:55] but what are his motivations

[01:01:57] murder

[01:01:59] well that would be an interesting movie

[01:02:01] for us to watch

[01:02:03] yeah because James Spader is the hero

[01:02:05] no this is ridiculous

[01:02:09] I mean if you want a serial killer

[01:02:11] like James Spader is like your first call

[01:02:13] right

[01:02:15] that's my assumption when I looked at it

[01:02:17] I was like oh okay so James Spader is a

[01:02:19] serial killer

[01:02:21] and no he's the FBI agent

[01:02:23] alright

[01:02:25] he is the FBI agent

[01:02:27] it does have 11% on Rotten Tomatoes

[01:02:29] oh

[01:02:31] kind of in my wheelhouse

[01:02:33] Keanu Reeves earned a rasi award nomination

[01:02:35] as we're supporting actor but he lost

[01:02:37] a very pepper for battlefield earth

[01:02:39] I mean you know woe to anybody in the rasi

[01:02:41] he's trying to win against

[01:02:43] battlefield earth

[01:02:45] well see that's just bad luck

[01:02:47] yeah it's that's right

[01:02:51] is there anything in this movie

[01:02:53] that you would like to put in your screenplay Steve

[01:02:57] well I mean there's just I mean anybody named

[01:02:59] War Child

[01:03:03] I just it's such a great

[01:03:05] I just to me it's

[01:03:07] it's so kind of like

[01:03:09] goofy but like

[01:03:11] that's kind of how

[01:03:13] I picture surfers

[01:03:15] back off War Child seriously

[01:03:19] I like a I like a medicine lawnmower scene

[01:03:23] the lawnmower does a lot

[01:03:25] of work too because the lawnmower

[01:03:27] creates

[01:03:29] the whole the whole issue of confusion

[01:03:31] and it's it's basically

[01:03:33] what keeps you know there's a reason why

[01:03:35] the whole thing breaks out is they could

[01:03:37] just hold poppies to get out of there you get the sense

[01:03:39] that you could thwart the FBI

[01:03:41] pretty easily back in the day

[01:03:43] it's like

[01:03:45] look the FBI will not be able to do its job

[01:03:47] if their walkie-talkies

[01:03:49] cannot be heard over lawnmowers

[01:03:51] so all you

[01:03:53] all you have to do

[01:03:55] is get a guy mowing his lawn

[01:03:57] and you can you can thwart

[01:03:59] any FBI raid

[01:04:01] and keep in mind they're just screaming

[01:04:03] into these walkie-talkies while

[01:04:05] they're right outside the house

[01:04:35] music

[01:05:05] music

[01:05:23] and a cocoon of horror