Steve and Anthony suffer fools with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
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00:19 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to ProperlyHout, a podcast that we use classic films and other world fiction.
00:26 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Today we take a look at nineteen ninety-two's, Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
00:30 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_00]: starring Christy Swanson, Luke Perry, Paul Rubens, Donald Sutherland, Rugger Hauer, and Hillary Swank, you'd think this movie would be better than it is.
00:40 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Was this post-Pewi?
00:41 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
00:42 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Was this post-Pewi in an adult movie theater?
00:50 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
00:51 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it was.
00:53 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He was arrested in ninety one.
00:54 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He would you ever want to be a vampire?
00:59 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, a part of me says, well, if I knew I was going to die, like, hey, let's be a vampire and stick around, right?
01:09 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And, um, but then I'm like, oh, but then I'd be like an old vampire, right?
01:13 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing.
01:15 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the problem with the being the vampire.
01:16 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I was the best case scenario is getting is being diagnosed with a terminal illness.
01:23 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: at a young age, and then give that part, right?
01:25 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
01:26 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:27 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the best?
01:27 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the best that you can do?
01:28 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, well, the best thing you can do is fall in love.
01:33 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
01:34 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think short of that, to me, the question is which universe am I living in?
01:40 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I was just talking with a couple of folks about the movie centers and they were both of the minds.
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They're still haven't seen it.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I still haven't seen it.
01:49 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's right.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Just boil it for me.
01:50 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to spoil anything.
01:51 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_03]: But both John and Alicia thought after watching that movie.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so now I know they watched it.
01:59 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You spoiled it.
02:00 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they did watch it.
02:02 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_03]: After watching that movie, they were like, yeah, I kind of give the life of the vampire a try.
02:10 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I don't think so.
02:13 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that the reason is eventually you're just going to be lonely.
02:18 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's where he just make more friends.
02:20 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they said.
02:22 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just, I was just thinking like, can you really ever make friends if you're immortal?
02:28 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And you just view everyone else around you as sort of butterflies that like, we'll come and go in a day.
02:33 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So what you're saying is, as hard as it is to make your friends in your thirties and forties, it's even harder in your thousands.
02:43 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It gets significantly more problematic, yes.
02:47 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, and then you have a finite amount of them because you make them, but then you're like, she's I really jumped a gun on this and now I'm with him for.
02:53 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
02:57 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that we all have those friend groups that we like still like hang on to, you know, it's like kind of at a loyalty, you know, I mean, some of us is still to podcast together, you know, whatever, it's just a thing.
03:10 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, if you were going to consider vampirism, what world would you choose to live in, cinematically?
03:17 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a really, really good question.
03:20 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have to be, I mean, there's like no getting around the fact that I have to be kind of a bad vampire, right?
03:29 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_00]: for the greater, for the for humanities.
03:31 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, isn't like, blade like half vampire, and so he's kind of a good vampire, something like.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, but then what is he doing?
03:37 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going around killing all the vampires.
03:40 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of have to be in the vampire means that you're you're badass for sure, right?
03:45 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
03:46 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
03:46 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're badass, I mean, somebody wants to take you down.
03:49 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Or if you're Paul Romans, you're just Paul Romans.
03:56 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I don't know if I don't know what the rules are, but I think different, maybe different movies have different rules for these things.
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I certainly wouldn't want to be Dracula, Dracula sucks.
04:11 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Dracula is like, oh yeah, because unless you're feeding, you're like, you're turning through a sort of a wrinkled old whisp of a man, right?
04:22 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I suppose.
04:23 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas like if you're in the last boys, you know, you're hungry, but you're always young.
04:27 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_03]: This is when you're supposed to start singing forever young.
04:34 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that right?
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: My bad, my fault.
04:39 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, forever.
04:42 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:42 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but he's, but he's account.
04:45 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
04:46 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but, all right, that's fine.
04:48 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_03]: In like, all right, so you're fourteen hundred, but what good does being account do you now?
04:54 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I don't know.
04:56 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, so I'm a certified, I mean, I was a certified loop tech in my, in my early twenties.
05:02 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
05:02 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's been a while since I've, uh, looped a car, but like, I, uh,
05:08 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like once a loop tech always a loop tech, right?
05:12 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't like I don't introduce myself like that in the parties.
05:15 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I probably should, you know, probably when I get on stage, like a lot of times I use my comedy credits, I kind of sort of glossed over the fact that I'm a certified loop tech.
05:25 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Does count chocolate need the chocolate to stay young?
05:31 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it like he's just really into chocolate?
05:36 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I don't know.
05:39 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a really great question like what like does he I don't really know the the Count Chocula canon I've got thirty questions here.
05:47 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to rattle him off and every one of them is going to stump you I feel like a yeah, I okay, maybe I want to live in the Count Chocula because I feel like no one's going after Count Chocula unless they want his Count Chocula
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's found a way to market.
06:07 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen his friends?
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_03]: See, this is back to the original.
06:11 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Frank and Barry.
06:13 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody even knows if fruit brood is anymore.
06:16 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_03]: No one wants to be around Frank and Barry.
06:18 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
06:19 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_03]: He's the guy of the serial monster.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_03]: We should talk about this movie.
06:27 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, is this the first time you see in this movie?
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, first time I've seen it, but it feels like I've seen it.
06:31 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's one of those movies where like,
06:34 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I've never seen it, but I'm like, I've seen this.
06:37 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that for me.
06:39 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a movie where it's like, I haven't seen it.
06:41 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I know have never seen it.
06:42 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen a single episode of the television show this morning.
06:47 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I watched it for the first time and I thought maybe I'll see.
06:51 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll check out the first episode of the television show for the first time, which is kind of a different vibe though.
06:56 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen the television show?
06:57 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen the television show, but I think this is a good place to start talking about the film for once.
07:03 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So Josh Wheaton who directed this or like he wrote this did not direct this, I believe.
07:09 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a different vision for than the studio.
07:12 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So eventually he makes the series which is more closer to his vision.
07:15 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a little bit more like kind of supernatural little darker themes.
07:20 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll go on a little more so a little more melodrama, right?
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of serves up a little bit more, a little more, maybe a little more camp.
07:29 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: A little bit of a clueless vibe for sure.
07:32 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
07:33 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:35 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And apparently Donald Sutherland was really difficult for him to work with.
07:42 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he just kept on ad living.
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Shocking.
07:46 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the Donald Sutherland's just going off script for this.
07:53 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed this movie.
07:55 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll be honest, like in Sarah's walking in, every now and again, kind of defined and laughing, making remarks leaving, which totally enhanced my experience of it.
08:09 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's very campy.
08:11 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's self-aware.
08:14 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it knows what it's trying to do.
08:16 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a couple of conscious omages in it.
08:20 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we've got a painful, painful, much, pretty quickly.
08:24 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And it could have been like, let's do a teen wolf in the vampire world instead of the, because it's so similar.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so similar.
08:35 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
08:35 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting, I think, because like teen wolf, you know,
08:39 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll advocate for Teen Wolf and a lot of it has to do with just, you know, well, your pot committed now that it's on your skin.
08:46 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
08:47 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:48 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, my, you know, my relationship to it, you know, at an early age.
08:51 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I wonder if this in ninety two is, you know, kind of like a people of the same age that I was during Teen Wolf might have that same level of affinity for it.
09:01 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the people that like kind of look at Teen Wolf and, you know, this is pretty, pretty lame.
09:09 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_00]: people.
09:10 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'll be on.
09:11 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed the movie, but it was, it was a little disjointed for me.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's fully destroyed.
09:19 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_03]: No point in any of the characters have consistent motivations.
09:22 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: No, exactly.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but it's sort of like, it's not like that.
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm moving, man.
09:27 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Just.
09:27 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I know for sure.
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I get that.
09:29 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think my biggest issue is that the directing always seemed like there was just a beat too long between like every single moment.
09:37 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was hard to like because like I felt like the laughs could have been a little bit better or even some of the camp could have been a little bit more campy.
09:46 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's interesting.
09:47 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe that's not a direction thing.
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's an editing thing.
09:51 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps it could be an editing thing.
09:53 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So it just feels like there's always just a beat too much in everything.
09:56 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like so the rhythm is just off for me.
10:01 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's I think more than anything this movie is rhythmically.
10:05 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
10:05 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest.
10:07 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I was enjoying the things that were happening, but I felt like I wonder if I should speed this up a little bit.
10:12 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We've never talked about this before, because we don't really work with a document.
10:17 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_03]: When we podcast, we just come in blind on these things.
10:21 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know your process.
10:23 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you take notes on these movies?
10:25 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I usually do.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: This one I did not.
10:27 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
10:28 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_03]: As a note taker, I appreciated the long, the too long beat for every scene.
10:35 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it with it was nice.
10:38 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was made so so who's this movie made for you?
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's made for specifically for this podcast.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: This is not a great movie.
10:48 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm not arguing that this is a solid movie.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Teen Wolf is goofy.
10:54 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It's can't be.
10:56 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_03]: It's ridiculous at times.
10:58 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's still a good movie.
11:00 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_03]: It's still a good movie.
11:01 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It still has sort of
11:02 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_03]: the classic elements of a hero's story, you know, the themes are really juvenile, but they're really kind of enjoyable.
11:11 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed the ride the entire time.
11:14 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't say that about this movie, but I, you know, I was laughing.
11:18 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I laughed along with it.
11:20 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now I got the joke.
11:22 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think one of the issues that I have with the two is that the joke is sort of like the punch line is like the title.
11:31 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
11:32 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so you know what you're getting into.
11:35 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I got more vampire slayer than I got, Buffy.
11:40 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_03]: This is like an SNL sketch where the joke is in the title of the sketch, like Massive Headwind Harry, you know?
11:46 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
11:46 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
11:47 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's, we're gonna, we're gonna really play with this guy, and this particular ailment.
11:54 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He probably smells my dog.
11:58 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
11:59 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it'd be weird if we didn't talk about the head.
12:04 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this I think I feel like I felt like I was a little short-changed on the buffed him.
12:09 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like buffy became the vampire slayer and then like she had her like her moral switch or her her purpose full switch.
12:19 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Just sort of it kind of just happened and
12:23 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I would have wanted, I think I want more buffy.
12:26 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So like with Teen Wolf, you have, I mean, both of these, you can kind of overlay with this kind of this notion of coming of age.
12:35 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They have this.
12:36 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: internal or they have this this power in them that they don't know and they don't really know how to harness it.
12:43 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's that's the lesson here right so it's got so there's sort of this level of maturity this level of like almost a puberty notion that kind of goes along with that right and and so how do you how do you manage it now in teen wolf.
12:56 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I've got this crazy power or this ability that I can, I can do great things with it, but I also lose myself in the process, right?
13:06 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: This is all about she's got a lean into this, this new found, you know, power that she has.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And then now that's now that's her identity going forward.
13:15 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where I think the differences are, right?
13:17 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but all right, but some similarities, like you mentioned the puberty thing.
13:22 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like,
13:23 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I got hair all over my body.
13:24 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
13:25 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_03]: What does this mean for me?
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And for her, it's like, I got cramps.
13:30 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's got cramps in the face.
13:32 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That means the vampires are near.
13:34 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And this one would be about penetration.
13:35 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We get it.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We understand that this is the next level.
13:38 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But I guess, and again, I don't know why I'm feeling the need to advocate for Teen Wolf.
13:42 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the vampires there.
13:44 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, like, the feels like, so this is like where their Teen Wolf feels like it's trying to do a couple of things.
13:51 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And Buffy the vampire slayer for the most part is doing one thing right like it's kind of creating a world of vampires and she's now a vampire slayer and so she's kind of she's not as interested in the fashion part and she's not as she's she went from being kind of this airhead to now she's I guess a deeper thinker and I think that's one of the issues I had was like I kind of wish you would have just stayed more buffy
14:15 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: as a vampire slayer.
14:16 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I think she stayed up a few.
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she does.
14:19 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I do think that part of her, what does Donald Southern say, he's, she calls her vapid or something?
14:27 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
14:29 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I think part of that is her pretending that because of her friend group.
14:36 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that you're supposed to think like there's something, there's something to her.
14:41 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_03]: but it's not ever going to reach the surface as she's the, you know, planning the, the promer as a cheerleader.
14:51 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a different actor would have been better for this.
14:56 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, yeah, because I didn't interpret it that way, just interpreted it.
14:58 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What does it was Hillary she was?
15:00 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was actually that was Heather's response to she's like, well, why you got to get a response right there?
15:07 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Like Hillary Swank had a pretty a couple of funny scenes and I was impressed with her comedic timing.
15:14 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think I do think Christie Swanson's probably a problem, right?
15:17 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think this movie's better with Hillary Swank.
15:21 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, because you've got a really strong cast for the most part, you know, and everybody kind of does what they're supposed to do.
15:27 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Because even when Hillary Swank's trying to be like vapid, you can totally see like vapid.
15:36 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey folks, just breaking into clarify, Donald Sutherland uses the word vacuous rendering the following conversation even more meaningless.
15:45 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is, all right, now we're gonna do this for ten minutes.
15:51 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I will always say that.
15:53 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Vapid or, I don't say it very often, but when I say Vapor or vapor.
15:59 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What, okay, I say vapor.
16:01 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
16:02 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, vapor is vapor like.
16:07 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, without liveliness of spirit, dull or tedious, lacking or having lost life sharpness or flavor.
16:16 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's vapid.
16:20 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And so what did I say vapid before?
16:22 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can't, this was all recorded.
16:26 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't, like all of a sudden, make it seem like I was the one who was vapid.
16:29 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You are being vapid.
16:33 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I-I'm willing to be corrected on this.
16:35 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It still sounds good.
16:37 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You have no choice.
16:38 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, that's kind of thing.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I-I mean, wrong.
16:42 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, I-I stand corrected.
16:52 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Your speaking spell voice will rule the day in this particular conversation.
16:58 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And it probably all conversation.
17:01 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Even when Hillary Swank is acting.
17:04 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It's pronounced Swank.
17:06 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Even when she is acting vapid that shit.
17:16 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I can tell there's something behind their horizon.
17:18 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_03]: There's an intelligence behind her eyes.
17:21 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
17:22 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And so she would clearly, if you wanted Buffy to not be an airhead, then it would be Hillary swing.
17:33 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe that's part of the appeal.
17:36 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe part of the appeal is, yeah, no, she's the head cheerleader and guess what?
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_03]: She's also the chosen one.
17:45 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, how can you be the chosen one when you're so at a breath early in your cheerleading routine in the beginning of the world?
17:50 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_03]: She's a horrible cheerleader.
17:54 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I at first I thought is this part of the bit is like they're gonna call it out later like
18:00 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Why were you always a step behind with everything?
18:02 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And why are you out of breath?
18:04 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And she gets kicked out and then she's the pariah, but now she's gonna find some other identity that, you know, where she's really special like Harry Potter, but nope, she's the head cheerleader because she's the best cheerleader.
18:19 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, look Perry.
18:20 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been a manager for your house like city time.
18:24 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, you love me, Hank.
18:26 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm full of Hendricks.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Come out and eat this.
18:28 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to give you a ride.
18:29 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my son is going to hit on me.
18:32 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
18:32 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I need pike.
18:33 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.
18:35 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There was one.
18:37 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Look what shit.
18:40 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you.
18:45 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You aren't something?
18:47 --> 18:47 [UNKNOWN]: No.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You're floating!
18:59 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on!
19:00 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Make it away from here!
19:03 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about Luke Perry.
19:05 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:05 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: What you realize is you should be Luke Perry.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I was never a nine-o-two one-o fan.
19:13 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I don't know if I ever watched a full episode of that show.
19:18 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: So he was always kind of...
19:22 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_03]: derivative to me like like I would see like you know posters on lockers or whatever when he's trying to be James Dean and it always seemed put on he always seemed like like knockoff James Dean in the same way that you know Christians later was knockoff
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Jack, right?
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
19:51 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So I, yeah, I never really had a strong affinity for him.
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_03]: What about you?
19:57 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I maybe saw bits of non-Otono.
20:00 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I never watched a funny episode.
20:05 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And anything he did outside, like, I'm trying to think of things I've seen that he's been in.
20:12 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, obviously, once upon a time in Hollywood is how we got here.
20:17 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess was in the fifth element.
20:24 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And this, I don't really know I'm looking at his filmography.
20:28 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I really just did not.
20:32 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I just haven't crossed paths with with Luke Perry.
20:36 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as someone who idolized James Dean, he decided I'm just gonna finish my career early.
20:44 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's funny because like we couldn't help at that age, but no about Luke Perry.
20:49 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke Perry was he was a big deal.
20:52 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like not a two one.
20:53 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Was was part of our lives, whether we watched an episode or not.
20:57 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
20:57 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
20:58 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_03]: There was going to be binders.
20:59 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_03]: They were going to be posters.
21:01 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_03]: They were going to be
21:02 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_03]: magazine covers, you know, it was just in our life, whether or not we watch right or not.
21:08 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I said she might have seen Chanidori in this is like an extra.
21:12 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you notice that?
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not.
21:14 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
21:15 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see it either, but Sarah's got a pretty keen eye on this.
21:18 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't notice Ben Affleck as an extra.
21:21 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
21:21 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
21:22 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Ben Affleck as I mean, again, also like team Wolf.
21:28 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Thirty seven year old high school basketball players.
21:35 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_03]: We need one of those at least in every teen monster movie.
21:41 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting that Ben Affleck wins an Oscar.
21:46 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Hillary Swank wins an Oscar.
21:50 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
21:50 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think dumb is other than everyone in Oscar, but you've got Oscar performers in this movie.
21:58 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty solid cast all the way through.
22:01 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Look Perry is how we got here.
22:05 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things I liked about this movie, which I thought was entertaining.
22:11 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_03]: All of these eighties, teen movies would have a frumpy girl who decides she's gonna take off her glasses and put on makeup and now she's like the bell of the ball.
22:23 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_03]: They do that with
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Luke Perry in this film.
22:27 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and listen, they decided to do the gender band where he's like, okay, I'm kind of gonna assume my grunge look, get rid of the soul patch and the sideburns.
22:43 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm gonna go to school dance and he walks in and he's every bit the bell of the ball that any of the female characters that we ever saw were.
22:55 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You have interesting though, like, usually the gals are sort of this, you know, nerdy, kind of bookish.
23:06 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they, oh, wow, they're gorgeous.
23:08 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas Luke Perry's like, oh, he's a bad boy.
23:11 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's putting things up real nice.
23:13 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
23:13 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, according to, in this world, he's not from wealth.
23:19 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And that makes him a lower cast, right?
23:22 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And interesting for the women,
23:26 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_03]: when they need to rank up socially, it's about the way they look.
23:31 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
23:32 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So he does do the whole thing.
23:33 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Like in the mirror, he's gonna shave off the soul patch.
23:36 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's more about like, can you look like you come from money?
23:43 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was interesting.
23:45 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
23:47 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_03]: You were not impressed.
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, no.
23:50 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this movie is, this movie is harmless.
23:56 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It is harmless, but it does, it does ascend at times to greatness, and it always has to do with Paul Rubens.
24:07 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Great, and every scene he was in, I couldn't take my eyes off him.
24:10 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, in the same way the Hillary Swank kind of has an intelligence behind her eyes.
24:17 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_03]: There's just like a never-ending will of comedy behind his eyes.
24:22 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there's this sort of diabolicalness to him.
24:29 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He does a lot when he doing very little.
24:36 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And so even when he kind of goes over the top, it still feels like it works for the character he's created.
24:43 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're always waiting for him to go over the top, you know?
24:46 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's like, oh, there's Paul.
24:49 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_03]: What's he gonna do now?
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_03]: What's he gonna?
24:50 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And even if it doesn't happen, you're still kind of thrilled the next time you see him, which I thought was, but by the time we get to his death scene, that was like, oh, that's what I was waiting for.
25:03 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
25:03 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I was waiting for him to do that.
25:06 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know it was that particular thing, but I'm glad that he got to cook a little bit.
25:12 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:13 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Steve, is there a tweak that you'd make to this movie to improve it?
25:19 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Either the editor director really, I mean, I do, I mean, I just wanted more, I don't know, I just felt like it's it turned into kind of a vampire slayer movie.
25:32 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the climax was really until that.
25:36 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, yeah, we're going to kind of fight really poorly.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, all right, well, you're dead.
25:43 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of gymnastics in this movie.
25:46 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_03]: The vampires are so much more into posturing than they are.
25:54 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_03]: They seem to enjoy being vampires.
25:57 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_03]: They stand still.
25:58 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Terrible fighters.
25:59 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Terrible fighters.
26:01 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that they're assuming that their fingers will scare people.
26:04 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're letting things and fingers do the heavy lift.
26:09 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
26:09 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, you know, we started this off.
26:11 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Would you ever consider being a vampire?
26:13 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't know if being a vampire in this world would be, I don't want to be a vampire.
26:19 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You're dead.
26:20 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You're just going to die.
26:23 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It's you're going to be killed by gymnastics pretty quickly in this movie.
26:27 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder if I wanted, I, I, I tend to want to be lost boys of
26:33 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I figured.
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I figured.
26:34 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just give you a choice.
26:35 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the era, I mean.
26:37 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have family saxophone music on the beach.
26:40 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Have vampires ever been cooler than the last boys.
26:44 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty, pretty dope.
26:48 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty great in the last boys.
26:50 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you can choose, right?
26:57 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You could choose to be a good vampire in that.
27:01 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The big trick with vampires, I think, is being able to sort of like, you've got this insatiable lust for blood and finding a way to somehow mitigate that and ever watch out what we do in the shadows.
27:17 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've not seen a lot of it, but I've seen a few episodes.
27:21 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so like there's that element of like, you know, try to find ways to sort of coexist in a world where you know, maybe
27:30 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's frowned upon to read and people, but the thing that I like most about vampire movies, and I do not like a lot of vampire movies.
27:39 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing that I like most about the mythology is the problem presented by a natural long life.
27:48 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a cool concept.
27:52 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it absolutely is where the Superman mythology has to go.
27:59 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, have you ever seen a Superman movie where it deals with that problem of the natural long life?
28:06 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's just gonna outlive everyone.
28:08 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that to me, that's right.
28:10 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to do a Superman movie, and then we're gonna get one very shortly here, if you want to do a Superman movie, why not play with that?
28:18 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Why not, you know, Superman arrived in the fifties?
28:24 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And now he's still Superman, which gives him kind of baby boomer energy.
28:33 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still Superman.
28:34 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just, he's just, why didn't, why didn't they build racist op-eds for the daily matter?
28:42 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Lois Lane is like, ninety three years old.
28:46 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's dealing with it.
28:47 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He still, he still has like pretend he's interested.
28:51 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I honestly, this is a really interesting Superman movie.
28:53 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to see a Superman movie set in like the year three thousand, where he's been around forever.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting to me.
29:02 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I like the vampire mythology for that one thing.
29:06 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And I did like, I did quite enjoy that this movie begins in the Dark Ages.
29:11 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like that she dreams, she dreams history, never seen that movie before.
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
29:21 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_03]: The Donald Southern character interests me because he's not a vampire.
29:27 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_03]: But he has unnatural lung life.
29:30 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is he just reborn?
29:32 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kind of got the reborn sense.
29:34 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_03]: More like reincarnated, but always looks the same.
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess.
29:40 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's interesting.
29:41 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to see that.
29:42 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm interested in that movie.
29:46 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder now I'm curious about the series you know I mean it was you know if it how it takes some of those ideas but of course like I mean like teen wolf the movie versus teen wolf the series very different too.
30:02 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So the first episode of the I only watched one so the first episode basically what it does is it takes Buffy she's relocated to a small town.
30:12 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just her like no one none of the other characters are around.
30:18 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And immediately she realizes the the librarian.
30:25 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_03]: is kind of taking the Donald Southern role at this new place.
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And he tries to give her this book about vampires.
30:33 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And she she sort of trying to like cast off her identity as the chosen ones.
30:37 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_03]: She just wants to get along in this new school.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty bad.
30:42 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I will say interesting that the CGI.
30:46 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_03]: is significantly better when the vampires change form.
30:53 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And this movie, they could be caused by vampires.
30:57 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like, someone went down to the local Halloween.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the spirit story.
31:02 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
31:05 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas in the show, you get like CGI facial changes with the
31:13 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_03]: much more, much more monstrous the vampire.
31:18 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_03]: So still kind of can't be, you know?
31:21 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we've talked about like sort of the blending of comedy and horror and how that can really work really well.
31:25 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like I wonder if the movie could have benefited from maybe a little bit more of a push towards horror.
31:35 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so if you have this juxtaposition of this sort of air headed cheerleader, you know, kind of in this
31:42 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, vapid state and uh, and like, you know, the biggest priorities are, did you say vapid?
31:51 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, wait, wait, you're messing with me.
31:53 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_03]: You said it was vapid.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_03]: No, you said it was vapid.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
32:00 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If I had one tweet, I could make it this podcast, it would be your dementia.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna stick to it.
32:08 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think you don't know what you're sticking to.
32:12 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: problem.
32:14 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to end up sticking to the right thing and feeling somehow proud about it.
32:20 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So the tweak that you would make is editor or director.
32:24 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or in, you know, I guess now that I've kind of talked this through a little bit, it's like, like the idea of if you could really juxtap, I think there's more comedy to be had if you had, like I said, a very, you know, fashion oriented,
32:42 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: and then gets thrust into a world where instead of maybe the vampire, I mean, it has can't be vampires, that's fine.
32:47 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, make it a little more horrific, too.
32:49 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's, cause I feel like the stakes, no pun intended, weren't maybe as high feeling because of how ineffective these vampires were.
33:02 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Steve, are you aware that Rutger Howard was voted the best Dutch actor of the century?
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I can't think of a better one.
33:13 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll top of my head.
33:14 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like Rick or Howard.
33:19 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I see him in a lot of stuff.
33:23 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know like what's the best Rucker Howard movie.
33:27 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to start looking at his Wikipedia page.
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a spin off called probably Howard.
33:32 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Blade Runner.
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
33:39 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So I remember with a shotgun, blind fury, Lady Hawk.
33:45 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Batman began.
33:45 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So all of these are interesting films.
33:51 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I feel like I always associate him with like some sinister guy.
34:00 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the first line of his Wikipedia page.
34:05 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Rucker Olsen Hauer.
34:08 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Looks like he died in two thousand nineteen was a Dutch actor with a career that spanned over one hundred and seventy rolls across nearly fifty years beginning in nineteen sixty nine in nineteen ninety nine he was named by the Dutch public as the best Dutch actor of the century.
34:29 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Not a bad first Wikipedia line.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Not a role.
34:34 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean if you're Dutch.
34:36 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:36 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's key that he's Dutch.
34:40 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, that doesn't make it.
34:41 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_03]: If he was, if he was in touch that, but Wikipedia.
34:44 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Love the idea that maybe maybe the Dutch is just like, now he's really like, rug hour.
34:51 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_03]: We're claiming them.
34:53 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_03]: So I did not ever know of the film Nighthawks before.
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I was still on Wikipedia.
34:59 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Nighthawks is a, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, never seen it.
35:25 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Very interested in it.
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen this moving?
35:29 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
35:31 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_03]: The film follows a pair of international terrorists who come to New York and the police detectives who are part of a newly formed anti-terrorism squad are asked to identify and neutralize them.
35:43 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've only seen, I've seen Blind Fury for sure.
35:46 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's blind fury.
35:49 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
35:51 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Ever did see Hitcher with C. Thomas Howell.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I, you know what?
35:57 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You had me at the divester Stallone.
36:00 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_03]: But as soon as he said Billy D. Williams, I was like, I'm probably gonna watch this soon.
36:07 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear you.
36:10 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: What about Lady Hawk with the Michelle Fiverr and Matthew Roderick?
36:13 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_03]: You see, just recently watched Lady Hawk.
36:16 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_03]: How'd you like that?
36:20 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a movie that's trying really hard to do something.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_03]: That's as much as I'll say about that.
36:28 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You seem to want to dead or alive with a rug or how our Gene Simmons and Robert Geome.
36:36 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:43 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a cliche device or something else that you liked about this one?
36:50 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I think the whole thing is, right?
36:52 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do like the the clueless aspect of the whole buffy buffy domain.
37:02 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It does feel like it's not just an early nineties high school movie.
37:07 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_03]: It's an early nineties high school movie that's kind of playing with a lot of the tropes of all those movies.
37:13 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:13 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think and I think that's what it's trying to do.
37:15 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:15 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's trying to bits.
37:16 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's you take these tropes that are kind of
37:20 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're trophy.
37:21 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They're played out and then you go, well, we're going to overlay something that would kind of shakes up the trope, right?
37:28 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's, I think that's a clever idea.
37:31 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's something that, and again, I think that's why I wanted maybe a little bit more like take a, take a horrific type of thing and lay it on it even more so it might be even more entertaining, right?
37:45 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Because just because the idea that
37:49 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love, because it feels like it's a mashup of two worlds, of two kind of cinematic worlds.
37:55 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like maybe the vampire world got a short shift in this mashup.
38:02 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So interesting that you said that, in Dracula, I'm forgetting the, what's the name of the main, the actress?
38:15 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Not the actress, the character's name.
38:19 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_03]: in Bram Stoker's Dracula?
38:21 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:22 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's Mena, right?
38:24 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we'll known a writer's character is named Mena.
38:30 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Mena, okay.
38:32 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_03]: In one version of the story at least, she does dream about Dracula.
38:39 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_03]: He comes to her in her dreams and they kind of fall in love in their dreams.
38:43 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_03]: They are playing with that in this with Buffy and Lothos.
38:49 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.
38:49 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely playing with a few vampire tropes there.
38:54 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
38:55 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think Clint Eastwood saw this movie and it inspired him to create million dollar baby?
39:03 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Is the same St.
39:04 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_03]: character actually?
39:06 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Because he's like, well, I like the idea of an old man teaching a young woman how to box.
39:15 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And like us, he's like, why isn't Hillary swing the lead right of this?
39:21 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
39:24 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
39:24 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure that this million dollar baby doesn't happen unless.
39:28 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:28 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So in this case, like, so he's like, he just is like tweak, right?
39:31 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I like this guy that, you know, this old man is teaching this.
39:35 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: young woman to kill, maybe I'll do the same thing, but I'll be an old man teaching a young woman to die.
39:43 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
39:45 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's another question for you.
39:47 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_03]: At one point, when she's accusing Donald Southern of being crazy, she says, does Elvis talk to you?
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Does he tell you to do things?
40:02 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a year before true romance.
40:05 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So was that was that like a like a like a trope in the eighties or yeah Elvis Elvis because I get the very popular in the in the eighties and I guess this is in the nineties, but it probably like still written by somebody who's you know got the sensibilities
40:20 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Elvis was on every tabloid like Elvis was always alive or like the ghost of Elvis was always I think Elvis the the I give Elvis to Elvis telling you to do things like son of Sam that to me sounds very specific to true romance.
40:37 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just know that Elvis is because it even shows up in Ghostbusters, right?
40:42 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Ghostbusters when they're being interviewed.
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The journalist he says have you seen Elvis?
40:49 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked to him and how's he doing?
40:52 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.
40:53 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
40:53 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_03]: For sure.
40:55 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Elvis was like, it's funny how like of all the people that died only Elvis.
41:02 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I like that Elvis is still relevant in this world.
41:06 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I do think there's a possibility because I kind of know the history of the screenplay a little bit.
41:15 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I think a true romance got passed around a lot before it was made.
41:21 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's very possible that that line got stolen from true romance and inserted into this movie.
41:32 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_03]: That reminded me of one of your experiences.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the Sharknader.
41:37 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if our listeners are aware of this, but it's very possible that the concept for Sharknado was invented by Steve Osborne.
41:47 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I want you to tell us.
41:51 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I collaborated on a script with my then brother-in-law and
41:57 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of a send up of like the whole Charlie Sheen experience during the whole Tiger Blood, you know, Rans and all that.
42:03 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we created this sort of petulant celebrity, you know, who in like different, like flashbacks and interviews, he would be interviewed about, you know, like have his little Charlie Sheen, you know, moments, right?
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like his Tiger Blood moment.
42:18 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he talked about how
42:20 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He says that he was crazy.
42:22 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He was crazy, you know, like, like a tornado.
42:25 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm wild, like a tornado full of sharks.
42:28 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like a shark and NATO.
42:31 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, and it was in this great, and let me just call this out, the word shark, NATO you specifically.
42:38 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
42:38 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it cuts back to him.
42:40 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that a word you'd ever heard before?
42:41 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
42:43 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: There's years before Sharknano.
42:47 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So then he comes back and he says, oh, by the way, he says, I've got, I've got that term trademark.
42:53 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So anybody that ever uses the term for Sharknano, I get royalties and like when would it ever happen?
42:58 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a line in the script.
43:02 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end of the movie, like when everything kind of resolves and he like his career sort of goes back on track and ends with him.
43:13 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: in on the set of the movie Sharknado because they've made a movie out of it.
43:19 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So you pass you pass this around, right?
43:23 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It got passed around.
43:25 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: My writing colleague submitted it to one of those supposedly safe, like, you know, portals and it's like, and I think, you know, so, and he's like, oh, it's getting looked at.
43:39 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it.
43:41 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So the part of the like the kind of the gag of the movie became natural franchise.
43:48 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, so someone read this script.
43:50 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_03]: They were like, this script is not worth our time, but there is that one concept that might have like right.
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of an interesting lesson.
44:03 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I kind of now to like writing jokes like there's like I'll write these long form jokes and then you know, maybe they hit maybe they don't but then after a while I'll take a portion of that and then I'll add it to maybe an already existing joke and all the said that other joke gets elevated because of it.
44:19 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, well, it's kind of a bummer you went through all this work to do this other thing, but then at the end of the day it's like you still got something out of it.
44:26 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't get any.
44:27 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't get any.
44:29 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_03]: As wealthy as you've always not been.
44:32 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
44:35 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Was there a tropic cliche or device that I enjoyed in this film?
44:41 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I, you know what?
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it when
44:48 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_03]: you're using a chair to fight.
44:51 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And the person who you're fighting decides that he's going to destroy the chair.
44:59 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And then of course, because the chair is destroyed, now you have an even more powerful weapon because the leg of the chair is now a wooden stake.
45:10 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_03]: That I've seen that a thousand times.
45:13 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And especially in vampire movies, you can totally see like
45:18 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's how this is going to go.
45:20 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_03]: The vampire's not smart enough to think that chair's not going to hurt me, but if I break the chair, it will kill me.
45:28 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Would it, would this movie have been better if the vampires were like just tiny bit higher IQ?
45:35 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think it's like I do maybe appreciate somewhat of the if you're converting some of these valley teens and vampires.
45:45 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of what you're going to get, you know?
45:48 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But I sort of feel like there was, again, I was like, I always feel like everything was kind of almost.
45:53 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, oh, you had the right idea.
45:56 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You just didn't execute it.
45:57 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I felt this movie was making me, I feel edgy in the whole time.
46:02 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I was so close, it was so close.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They had something there.
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And this movie was only like, it wasn't even an hour and a half long.
46:11 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So I like, I enjoyed this movie.
46:15 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not enjoy the television show at all.
46:18 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know if you can ever really tell just on a pilot episode with what it shows like.
46:24 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I do wonder if a remake could work for this.
46:28 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's kind of a cool classic.
46:33 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure people with a lot of affection for it might not want a remake.
46:38 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But for people like us, there's some interesting concepts.
46:43 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_03]: There's some good bones in here.
46:45 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I think a remake could work.
46:46 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's what's interesting about that, right?
46:48 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You talk about the movie being a cool classic.
46:50 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how much of a cool classic the movie is compared to the series.
46:55 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The series is pretty beloved by a pretty significant fan base.
46:59 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think to remake this movie,
47:04 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you would have a lot of the fans of the show wanting it to be in that vein.
47:09 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to remake this type of Buffy the Vampire Slayer that's a little more campy, I think that would be a better idea person.
47:19 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Just do that.
47:21 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Create these worlds of separate to some degree.
47:25 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you can do some sort of an homage to both.
47:29 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: in that process and like maybe like I said with if you if you up the horror aspect and so now you have maybe a little bit more emphasis on the vampire world and then you then you kind of raise up the sort of you know team valley team type okay let me throw an idea you okay so Buffy's reborn every generation I guess that's what we're supposed to think right I think so yeah
47:58 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so how about set this in the early sixties and it's sort of like grease.
48:04 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's but it's sort of like this is the iteration of of Buffy that was living in, you know, a nineteen sixty eight new jersey or something like that.
48:14 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting and I like this idea.
48:18 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Or you could do, you know, earlier, you could do flappers, you know, you go, the twenty-stirties, something like that.
48:25 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that would be another way to do it.
48:26 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think it could do maybe like a last temptation of buffet where you've got her, like in the middle of the times.
48:34 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_00]: She mistakes.
48:34 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: She mistakes the risen Christ for the empire.
48:40 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Steve is this movie better worse around part of the Ron Howard movie.
48:44 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I feel like this is, this was almost properly Howard in some ways.
48:49 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, was almost a good move.
48:52 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:53 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:53 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So I, you know, if you, if you, if you watch splash and you watch this movie, you would think this is not that different.
49:02 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:04 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I, there were elements of this because I was like, uh, we've talked about Ron Howard gets good cast and sometimes maybe doesn't always get the best juice out of him.
49:15 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, sometimes for sure he does, but other times it feels like, oh, with all those people, you just sort of, everything just seemed like it was sort of fine and not, and it kind of harmless.
49:24 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's where this kind of fell in that realm.
49:26 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but I, but I also feel like he would have done a better job with the, some of those issues I had in terms of like maybe a little more development, maybe a little bit better pacing and timing.
49:36 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to give it a, I'm giving it a Howard minus one.
49:41 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_03]: interesting.
49:41 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say, Howard minus three, like you said, this movie was almost, like it was almost a good movie.
49:50 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was a fun movie.
49:52 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It was an enjoyable movie.
49:54 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_03]: It was, to me, but part of what made it interesting to me was like, hey, that's been a flag.
50:02 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, that's Hillary Swank.
50:03 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Before she was Hillary Swank, or hey, that's Stephen Root before anyone really knew who he was, right?
50:10 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Those, those were the kinds of things that kind of got, or, you know, every scene with Paul Rubin.
50:15 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I kind of like this because that's P.V.
50:18 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Herman, right?
50:21 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's part of why I like the movie.
50:24 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So the thing with Howard is that he'll, he'll put together a cast like this.
50:30 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_03]: But when he gets bacon, he's gonna get all he wants out of bacon, right?
50:34 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was just, it was just right.
50:37 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a lot of things were right there and it just didn't quite, quite do it.
50:44 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_03]: If you were going to insert a Kevin Bacon character into this movie, which would work best.
50:52 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_00]: In this particular world, how about the, maybe the cadet,
51:01 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_00]: version and like animal house.
51:04 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that works.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_03]: That works for sure.
51:07 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think you could bring in foot loose bacon.
51:14 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Because there is a school dance, and a school dance is a big part of this move.
51:18 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's true.
51:21 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Or if you want to sort of play up the supernatural part of this, his new character, Hub Hallern in the bondsman would be perfect for this.
51:33 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't kill vampires in that show.
51:36 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_03]: He does kill sort of hellish demons, which is adjacent, I think.
51:42 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So next week, Stephen Root brings us to no country for old men.
51:49 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Quite the departure from buffet.
51:52 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Quite the departure.
51:53 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I do think that there are some similarities.
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_03]: It's odd to say.
52:00 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think Stephen Root is the only similarity between these movies.
52:08 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But we'll say more about that next week.
52:11 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds good.
52:13 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Steve is there a one-to-ground half the battle moment in this film.
52:19 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, lose the soul patch.
52:21 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_03]: The soul patch has got to go.
52:23 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
52:24 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Now when you saw the soul patch, would that do for you?
52:29 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the soul patch is, uh, it's a choice, right?
52:32 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and it, uh, I don't know.
52:34 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it as offensive as the ponytail in your aesthetic?
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a face ponytail.
53:51 --> 53:56 [UNKNOWN]: In a cocoon of horror