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00:19 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to ProperlyHower, a podcast that reviews classic films and other quote fiction.
00:26 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Today we take a look at Brian De Palmos, Carlito's way.
00:29 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_00]: starring Alpha Chino as a vaguely Puerto Rican gangster.
00:32 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Carlito's way explores the tension and x-con faces when he tries to go straight, but the world around him forces him back to his old ways.
00:41 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, Sean Penn with a perm.
00:43 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: with me to discuss this film as always is Dr. Anthony LaDon.
00:48 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Sean Pan.
00:49 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
00:51 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_03]: When he gets put in the DA like his threatening him when he just goes, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,
01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
01:16 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we get to the end of this thing and I always say, well, you know, what, what bacon character could you add to this movie?
01:24 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And I started to think like, maybe I should revisit some bacon.
01:28 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So I've got better bacon takes at the end of this.
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you do hollow man?
01:35 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not do all I mean, you know, Halloween was one of those ones where I did see at one point and I I kind of get the premise like he's it.
01:45 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's invisible and he's bad.
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's bad.
01:48 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we did any movies this this season that do we do any horror at all?
01:55 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's maybe flatlanders counts.
01:59 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, of course flatlanders has bacon in it, right?
02:02 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:04 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_03]: How are the dogs getting along with the goats?
02:08 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The each have their own take.
02:12 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Django's pretty chill.
02:13 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, welcome.
02:15 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't really get the sense that Django knows he's a dog though.
02:20 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and I sometimes forget.
02:22 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
02:23 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he's just kind of down.
02:26 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Ladi really, really thinks these ghosts need to die and it says responsibility to go.
02:35 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Henley is just sort of flumixed.
02:40 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Maverick is curious.
02:42 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Tim wants to go in there and play with them.
02:45 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I kiddo wants to be out there so bad.
02:49 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: She wants to play with them so bad.
02:52 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And Philly is scared of chickens.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, there's a Philly?
02:58 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the show puppy that had to go.
03:03 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, but I don't know about Philly yet, so Philly, what kind of dog is Philly?
03:08 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Also a toy poodle, which is showable, and all that good stuff.
03:13 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
03:14 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
03:15 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's, this is good.
03:16 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
03:17 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_03]: So show Poodle and she's small.
03:20 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So that means she's easy to transport.
03:22 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
03:23 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_03]: You could put it under the seat on a plane to Vegas if need be.
03:28 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
03:28 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And, and you know, this is this is a high quality canine that Heather is not looking like she's, she just got the dog out of the back alley.
03:40 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: No, this is not a chicken McNugget, this is a chicken tender.
03:44 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_07]: Very good.
03:51 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
03:52 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is good.
03:52 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_03]: How long have you had Philly?
03:55 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Montish, maybe more.
03:58 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_03]: See, I feel differently about this because I'm always telling you don't get another dog.
04:02 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
04:02 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I feel like I've said that a hundred times and it's never worked well.
04:08 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is good.
04:09 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_03]: This is actually, this, this dog is bringing something different to the table.
04:15 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_03]: That's useful in more so than just like we liked the way this dog felt because it was new.
04:21 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
04:22 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
04:22 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
04:23 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:24 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and one of the, yeah, I mean, there will be, yeah, there'll be some, some changes and, you know, one of the dogs were going back and, um, to the original owner or so, that will.
04:36 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: bring it down to a manageable six.
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, all right.
04:40 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's five too many, but you know, it's it's what you've chosen to do with your life.
04:47 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, this came out in ninety three.
04:49 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of went on an already binge in ninety three, ninety three and ninety four, because I was not allowed to watch and did you come across?
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you watch this in the theater?
05:00 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I never watch this in the theater.
05:03 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember you quoting it to me.
05:05 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And thinking, probably not interested in that movie.
05:10 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And then maybe you'll watching the full thing later in life.
05:14 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I've probably seen this movie three times now.
05:19 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever watch the prequel with the P-Ditty?
05:23 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Which Shawn comes?
05:26 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
05:27 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't really know it existed until yesterday.
05:31 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I watched the trailer for it.
05:37 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought, is that Sean Combs?
05:42 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
05:47 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_03]: What's your relationship with Brian De Palmer?
05:53 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
05:54 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So I always kind of felt like I had seen more De Palmer.
05:57 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think than I have, but I've also think I've seen plenty.
06:03 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think Brian De Palmer, and it's probably
06:07 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we have to have a little bit of discussion about Scarface in this.
06:13 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If we're going to talk about the Palma because I think when I was starting to become aware of directors, like I knew of, like Scorsese, right?
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew of Copa.
06:24 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew like a Lucas, right?
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: New Lucas, yes.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So like director started to matter.
06:30 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And to Palma for some reason, I held in that same regard, maybe without having
06:37 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_00]: any actual interaction with his work at this point.
06:44 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I say that, but I mean, I was a huge untouchables fan.
06:47 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even know if when I first saw the untouchables, I was aware that it was diploma, right?
06:52 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know.
06:53 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm eleven years old and probably not two interested in directors at that point.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But I really liked the untouchables.
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I diploma's name,
07:05 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: was always around.
07:07 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I just sort of put him in the category of, oh yeah, classic director, you know, probably gonna be a guy that if it's a diploma joint, you know, it's gonna be, you know, real good.
07:19 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think, well, kind of known for kind of known for like big budget films with pretty amazing stars.
07:29 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_03]: He writes and directs, right?
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So that kind of puts him in the category,
07:36 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it would put him in the category of Squarespace, or Spielberg, or someone like that.
07:44 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_03]: If those are the only criteria you're using.
07:48 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
07:49 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, at this point, probably when I'm starting to realize, I, you know, directors, I had already seen, like I said, I've seen on touchables, I've seen casualties of war, I've seen wise guys with the Divido and Piscopo.
08:04 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But I hadn't seen Scarface.
08:06 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: right and and I think probably one of the main reasons why diploma was even in my and I hadn't seen carrot this one either why why a scar face is sort of or diploma's name was theirs because a scar face and scar face was so like this iconic thing is you know it still is to some degree and I was a late I was a late viewer to scar face so I
08:32 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, okay.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here we go.
08:34 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's finally watch Scarface.
08:35 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, this is the poem before before we should we should say that Scarface was kind of a famous poster.
08:42 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
08:43 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Every one.
08:44 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone kind of had a Scarface image in their mind.
08:49 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It was sort of a cultural thing.
08:51 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
08:52 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Beyond and yeah, and again, I had no.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So I went to watch Scarface.
08:57 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
08:57 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I was probably teens, maybe
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe to later.
09:05 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't even know if I saw it in high school.
09:07 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I may have been after high school that I finally watched it.
09:10 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, here we go.
09:12 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Scarface classic diploma and I remember going, huh?
09:16 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
09:18 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe not really realizing, like, I wonder if I would have liked it more, had I seen it earlier and embraced it earlier, because I knew so much.
09:30 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: so many quotes and the images and then I figured it was in like I had it kind of in my head that like oh yeah there's like movies like Godfather and Scarface.
09:41 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Thinking that somehow they were like on the same level of like seriousness or relative where Scarface is more of like a spectacle you know it's it's
09:54 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_03]: For me, diploma is kind of the Tom Cruise of Directors.
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
10:02 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, I just kind of convinced myself for several years.
10:07 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate Brian diploma.
10:09 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I just hate everything about him.
10:12 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate everything like Scarface is a
10:16 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_03]: pilot dog shit.
10:17 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it so much.
10:21 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I was sort of like going through this filmography a few years ago because there was sort of a diploma documentary.
10:28 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, I guess I really like mission impossible.
10:32 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually really a really decent movie.
10:35 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And you start going through.
10:36 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, oh, actually, I do like a few of these movies.
10:40 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Harry's great and eventually I kind of realized why I don't I just hate him most of the time right I kind of hate him most of the time and I kind of associate him with
11:00 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_03]: an eighties director who was just just over the top.
11:05 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he would just he had no sense of nuance this guy.
11:10 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
11:10 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and this movie is I kind of hate the first thirty minutes of this movie.
11:17 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of hated a lot.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
11:21 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been about thirty minutes in.
11:23 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I forget that I hate it.
11:25 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I start to care and, you know, I start to kind of like, and Sean Penn is so great.
11:33 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
11:36 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Why did I hate this movie?
11:38 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And I always end it, you know, kind of like feeling like because because, you know, there's sort of an inclusio with the beginning and end, right?
11:47 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's kind of like just a, you're, you're seeing the end scene first, then you see, you understand the end scene at the end differently.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a big circle.
11:58 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_03]: By the end, it's sort of like, yeah, um, didn't, didn't quite do it for me.
12:04 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a, there's a big hefty chunk in the middle where I'm just enrapt.
12:11 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't know, what, what's your thought about this?
12:14 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've seen this movie a bunch.
12:17 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Surprisingly, so actually, I don't know why I've seen this movie as much as I have.
12:22 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a little surprising to me that you have seen it so much because it does feel like, I mean, it is kind of funny.
12:29 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a lot of funny scenes in the movie.
12:33 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm curious, like, what is it about this movie that is rewatchable to you?
12:38 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the thing.
12:39 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about like certain movies and for sure we would do with the big travel China, like in some movie that it just gets better the more I watch it because I just look at it differently and enjoy it differently.
12:48 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This one does not get better the more I watch it, but I will not stop watching it.
12:53 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna watch this thing till I hate it, like hate it all the way through.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the goal.
12:57 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The goal is to just, I mean, have there's already, she didn't watch it last night, so she abandoned it.
13:01 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: She's probably watching a couple times with me, at least.
13:05 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's longer than I remember.
13:07 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And it felt longer this time than any other time I've watched it.
13:13 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: There are things about it I hate more now that bothered me before, but now I like flat out hate them.
13:20 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, as I've gotten older and a little more, whether it's socially cognizant or just beat down.
13:28 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there are certain things that are like, yeah, I don't know if that works.
13:31 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But Sean Penn still is amazing.
13:35 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It gets better every time I watch this.
13:39 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the most invisible I've ever seen, Sean.
14:04 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Sean Pan is doing something I've never seen really a tough guy actor do like I always associate Sean Pan with kind of a tough guy actor because I saw fast times kind of lead in life.
14:19 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
14:20 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So I never really associated with sort of the loser surfer dude.
14:24 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and he was also known for like
14:27 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: being like real tough in like real life punch and photographers and like being kind of a menace.
14:33 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:33 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_03]: He would punch you out.
14:36 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So he was a problem.
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_03]: He was a problem.
14:39 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He dated Madonna.
14:40 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he was probably the most dangerous thing he ever did.
14:45 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_03]: This absolute, I think he got nominated for a supporting actor for this.
14:52 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was kind of like semi retired, I think, before he did this.
14:56 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that right?
14:57 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he wasn't really doing, I mean, he was doing some things, right?
15:01 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had been in, definitely had been in some stuff, but like he took a hiatus and he returned for this because he wanted to, wanting wanted to work with the Chino, and I think he also wanted to fund the crossing guard.
15:15 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I keep that was really the movie he was.
15:17 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that yeah, right, right, right, right.
15:18 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_03]: He wanted this, I think.
15:19 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:20 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that makes sense.
15:22 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So he plays a Jewish lawyer in this.
15:27 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know till yesterday that his father is Jewish, so he's he's half Jewish and very interesting costuming on John Penn.
15:36 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Because you look at him and you think, oh, man, you just play, man, you plan up a stereotype with this.
15:44 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And Alan Dershowitz.
15:46 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
15:49 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
15:49 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just assume because he stole his luck.
15:52 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
15:55 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Just just the idea of it, you would see Sean Penn on screen wearing this wig in this level of balding with those glasses and say, that guy stole my luck.
16:10 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That's amazing.
16:10 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Alan Dershowitz, of course, famous for other things in recent years.
16:15 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And then on top of that, I should mention, because I watched the Cisco and Ebert review this movie this morning.
16:22 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_03]: One of Ebert's sort of criticisms of this is they never bought that Sean Penn would break bad like this.
16:31 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Go from lawyer to help a mafia basket out of prison.
16:36 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess the writer of Carlitos Way was a New York judge
16:44 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And he said that he knew about three lawyers who did something very similar to what John Penn did.
16:53 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I think they actually and I would disagree with the Ebert on this one, just because I and again, I've seen the program.
17:00 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they do a pretty good in Cisco.
17:02 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It was Cisco.
17:03 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
17:04 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
17:05 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he does it.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they set it up pretty well.
17:09 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the poem actually does a pretty good job of
17:12 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: in a courtroom thing that I do not like, sort of they're post like we get the idea that like the majority of his clients were through his relationship with Carlito, which which already suggests to me that there is an inter, that there is an inter twining that is not pure legal counsel.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_03]: This is like as a coastal situation.
17:34 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's totally filled.
17:36 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So I already was like, yeah, this guy doesn't seem like he's on the up and up.
17:41 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And the idea that five years into it, he's getting the more he's getting involved with these types of people, the more he's realizing, like, I could probably, you know, the idea that he takes advantage of a prisoner and the money and it exchange and everything.
17:55 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, like, you can keep him in there if you want.
17:57 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so he probably feels like he has a certain amount of armor because he's got the law on his side.
18:01 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I do, I bought it the whole way through.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think his character
18:06 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_00]: does a lot to make this movie work at all.
18:08 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the scene that I just played is sort of like him thinking, you know what?
18:13 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm tired of getting pushed around.
18:16 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm tired of there being this kind of mystique with these tough guys who grew up on the street.
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm as dangerous as any one of these people.
18:28 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to, right, and rather than do it in the shadows, I'm going to do it in the spotlight.
18:32 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, I'm going to strip my stuff a little bit
18:36 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe with the idea, like, look, I'm packing heat.
18:38 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe I could defend myself, but maybe a little bit with, no one's gonna mess with me if I'm hanging out with Carlito.
18:48 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
18:49 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this movie is worth watching just for Sean Penn.
18:57 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
18:57 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's maybe one of the, like I said, me, one of the main reasons I keep watching this movie is because it's such a great performance.
19:03 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
19:03 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So with that in mind,
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Is Al Pacino good?
19:10 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad you asked that because that was actually one of the things that was going to start with.
19:15 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
19:18 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: First off, I'm going to say I hate.
19:21 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The voice over.
19:23 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so bad.
19:24 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so bad.
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.
19:25 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_03]: When I said I hate most of the the first half an hour of this movie.
19:30 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of the voiceovers.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Just not working.
19:33 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the way he's delivering it.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it's a play.
19:37 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And because it's he actually mocking Latino people.
19:41 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and the voiceover at the end is way worse.
19:43 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like he just won't stop.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's going to talk about cliches.
19:46 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, oh, closing time.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Last drinks.
19:50 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I mean, how many of these were on like one killing cutting before at one point?
19:54 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_03]: He says because he's Puerto Rican.
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_03]: He says last, the mo-reakens.
19:59 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:01 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Last, the mo-reakens should that have been the title for this movie?
20:05 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
20:05 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's all here.
20:07 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Holds in time.
20:09 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: A glass drink, glass call.
20:11 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: All aboard, it's going to show.
20:15 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Stop dropping water, but he saved a penny earned.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Never let him see you sweat.
20:21 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Confidence is very sexy.
20:23 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The early word gets the word.
20:27 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If you need a temp, ring for liberty.
20:32 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that a lot of that is good.
20:39 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he feels like he's like, you know what?
20:42 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I just want the Academy Award for Senator Woman.
20:45 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Could I just do that voice most of the time?
20:49 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Senator, I'm looking at this before this.
20:51 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, interesting.
20:53 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you just maybe not make him Puerto Rican?
20:55 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand he's Carlito, but like maybe you could even just throw in a just a quick little line that says, you know, being half Puerto Rican at all.
21:02 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Just something.
21:04 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of played with it a little bit later on with the, the boom bus come in.
21:08 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, I thought this guy was Italian.
21:10 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Look at that.
21:10 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, it's like, yeah, that's funny.
21:12 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_03]: If that's not fine, if it wasn't just comically bad throughout, and he would kind of go in and out of the accent,
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
21:20 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, if, yeah, it's like, okay, so you're calling out the thing that we also think is ridiculous, but also maybe, maybe don't do that.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather you not be aware.
21:31 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like he, all right, look, it's really bad.
21:35 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_03]: The accent's really bad.
21:36 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he knows it's bad, and he just decides halfway in, he's gonna just drop it.
21:43 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe that's when I start liking the moving,
21:48 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you wonder if there were scenes that were shot early and then he drops it later and then so like it becomes just joining because some of those scenes had already been shot when he was thinking to pull it off.
21:58 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of, it's kind of horrible and it kind of ruins the movie.
22:05 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If it was, if he was just Carlito and you told me he was Puerto Rican and I know that he's Sicilian in real life and he never tries the accent.
22:11 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I probably would have just been in.
22:12 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:14 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because as soon as he tries to remind us that he's Puerto Rican, you're like, dude, everybody around you looks so impossibly different.
22:24 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is possibly different.
22:26 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_03]: This was that this is when any kind of Mediterranean dark person could play any other Mediterranean.
22:32 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have olive skin?
22:33 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations Fred Armisen, Eurobama.
22:41 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I recently watched a money for nothing with John Cusack.
22:50 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
22:50 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's sort of based on a true story, which I kind of like these things.
22:54 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a great movie, but it was a fun watch.
22:57 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
22:58 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Cusack is Japanese in this film, but beneath your daughter plays an Italian in that film.
23:05 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about that?
23:07 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, if Pacino can play a Puerto Rican, I feel like we owe them one at least.
23:15 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I get at least one, all right.
23:17 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So, look, it's, sometimes they're agree just a little bad.
23:22 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_03]: This isn't nearly as bad as, you know, Mickey Rooney playing a Japanese man.
23:28 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: No, if this is the scale we're using.
23:31 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: This is maybe like, this is a venial sin.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a normal mortal sin.
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so that's the thing, right?
23:40 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're watching this and you're like, there's surrounded by actors that are, you know, there's there's Mexican actors, there's Puerto Rican actors, there's all these, you know, and they're all, they're all very good.
23:52 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, understand, you have Pacino, you get a chance to get Pacino.
23:55 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So I said, you know, just modify the script of touch.
23:58 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
23:59 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If you need a chino for this and you probably do, just because you need some gravitas and you need some chops and you say, hey, look, we're gonna make some changes to Carlitos, you know, ethnicity and don't try.
24:16 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Just don't try.
24:17 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Just be a chino when we need to be a chino and that's great.
24:22 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, hey, Vigo, I know you're Danish.
24:28 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But could you really be comically?
24:30 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_04]: You got everything, man.
24:33 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Come on.
24:34 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Look what I got.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_04]: You're wrong with it.
24:37 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Fucking diapers, man.
24:39 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I got fucking diapers.
24:40 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I shoot my pants every day.
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't walk.
24:43 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't home.
24:45 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, go ahead and kill me.
24:47 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You cock soccer.
24:53 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched that scene somewhere in the neighborhood of seventeen times last night.
24:57 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have my headphones in because Heather's like, you know, I was being a good husband.
25:01 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I just held up the computer while she was on the phone and she could just see the scene and she just watched and she was just reading those lips and she knew exactly what I can.
25:10 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, can I just, all right, I've got so many questions.
25:16 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think to wrap up the patino, it's just
25:20 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_03]: He's one of our great actors who's turned in some of the shittiest performances ever.
25:25 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:26 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think his performance has bad enough to ruin this movie.
25:32 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But almost.
25:33 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No, in fact, there are moments, but there are moments where it's like, where you, you get some vintage Pachino and it's like, it's kind of fun.
25:42 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
25:42 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and,
25:45 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But then you also, so he's in this, in this interesting transition period, I think, as in this professional life, right?
25:51 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Because like the yelling is, I mean, he's always been a yellow, but like, like, there is so much of that now where that's like kind of like, that's what you want, right?
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You want this from Pacino.
26:00 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't really want as much nuance, you want, you want them to kind of, you want those explosive moments.
26:06 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's kind of in this part where he's not quite the caricature that he becomes.
26:11 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But he is sort of transitioning from, you know, just act like how you see this character should be, okay, now could you be Pacino in the scene to where just becomes, hey, we're hiring you to be loud Pacino.
26:26 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're kind of right in that moment.
26:27 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this movie does that a bunch.
26:30 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can see those moments, those glimpses.
26:34 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he does some stuff when he's managing the club that is kind of nice and nuanced.
26:41 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And even that scene with that you played earlier with Sean Penn's character kind of going nuts, and Pacino is kind of trying to settle him down.
26:50 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a very well acted scene by Pacino, because I kind of buy it.
26:57 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He could have easily gone over the top with it, but he sort of does play it as a little bit of like you can feel exasperation, and you can kind of feel embarrassed, and like he does a good job with that.
27:06 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you get Pacino classic Pacino's in the bathroom.
27:10 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they're the pool scene.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
27:14 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_03]: You'll take a break time.
27:16 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_03]: You got a tie big time.
27:17 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so Petito, what Petito does, maybe better than anyone ever.
27:26 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_03]: He smolders in a way that makes you think there's a volcano in this man.
27:30 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of below the surface that he can convey in a scene where he's being very calm.
27:40 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_03]: But it just, it's just a reminder like his eyes, his intonation.
27:44 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_03]: He just reminds you that I've got a volcano in here and it might erupt in any moment.
27:52 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_03]: But the trouble with him later on is that all it was was a volcano erupting all of the time.
28:00 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_03]: right and and that is this this movie is not necessarily is I mean he's really bad and yet he you will see there's there's there's moments where it's like no well he's actually one of the best actors ever so right it's a very it's this movie is a contradiction it really is and I think that's one of the reasons why I'm fascinated by it and why I've enjoyed it so much because it's like actually to be honest and so you hate the Scarface correct hate it
28:29 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.
28:29 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any moments in the movie where you're like even just a guilty pleasure type in joy or or or you see why this is might be entertaining or isn't just is it just chalk for you?
28:43 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not.
28:46 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel like I've seen it enough.
28:48 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I've seen it twice in my life.
28:50 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I've seen enough to be able to have that kind of relationship with it.
28:55 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do think in the reason why I ask is because I do feel that
28:59 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody's reading that that diploma was a little reluctant.
29:01 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They were trying to get a few other directors on the table.
29:07 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And diploma was a little reticent because he's like, I'm going to do another, you know, see, put it like Spanish gangster film with with Pacino feels like maybe like he's concerned that maybe he's, you know, this movie that he's maybe really well known for.
29:25 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to, he's just, it's almost like he's revisiting that, right?
29:28 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there was a reluctance.
29:30 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like do think that there is, almost it feels like there's an inevitability when they're together that they sort of make some similar choices.
29:39 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, this is very, I mean, it's different than Scarface, I think in tone.
29:44 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, where Scarface you're sort of seen the upward trajectory of this, this king pen.
29:52 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then here is, you know, I mean, you could almost feel, you could almost make the argument, this is a sort of like,
29:59 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_00]: an alternate universe of Tony Tanya surviving.
30:02 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
30:03 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense.
30:06 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I mean, if you want to get really basic on this, it's like Scarface is about a guy who's like on cocaine all the time.
30:15 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Mountain mountains of cocaine.
30:18 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
30:18 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas this is a guy who is very sober.
30:22 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_03]: He's trying to go straight.
30:24 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So you're just asking for a different kind of performance out of Pacino.
30:29 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, this is this to me, this movie is significantly better than Scarface.
30:34 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It's still not.
30:37 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_03]: It's still has that kind of diploma.
30:41 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Stink on it.
30:42 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_03]: What's your favorite diploma?
30:43 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Mission impossible.
30:45 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like mission above.
30:47 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It's weird one.
30:47 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like action movies.
30:49 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like Tom Cruise and I don't like to want to palma.
30:52 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It may be the best action movie ever for the same funny.
30:57 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would say T. Two is probably the best, but mission and part the first mission possible is to me a perfect pop corn movie.
31:07 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't know if you've ever seen sisters.
31:09 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever seen sisters?
31:10 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's to Palmas first.
31:12 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
31:13 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
31:14 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I watched a little bit of sisters this morning.
31:18 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's Margot Kitter, who I've been watching a lot of recently because she's my lowest line.
31:24 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: The first thing in sisters is you see Margot Kitter as a blind woman.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_03]: She's undressing.
31:33 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And then you pan out to realize that this is part of a game show.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll just play you a little bit of this game show.
31:41 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_07]: What does a fellow do when a pretty girl starts taking off all her clothes right there in front of him.
31:52 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_07]: Lovely young model.
31:53 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Danielle, Brent, agreed to be our decoy.
31:56 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Now, Danielle is not really blind, but that's what we want our male friend to think.
32:02 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, papers.
32:02 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_07]: Look at the board.
32:04 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_03]: This is how diploma came into our lives.
32:07 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the opening scene of his first movie.
32:13 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope this is a game show that's sort of a candid camera kind of game show.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?
32:20 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Good.
32:20 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Good idea for game show.
32:23 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've assumed we already have one like that.
32:27 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I have.
32:30 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't exactly know what love island is, but so what's your favorite diploma?
32:35 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_03]: If it's not, if it's not sisters, what would I do think it's probably still on touchables?
32:42 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe, and maybe that's a little bit more of sort of a nostalgic thing, and you know, going to see it, an empire cinemas and just really enjoying Sean Conner.
32:52 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, quotable.
32:53 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I used to love that movie too, and I think I watched it a lot in my twenties, and I've revisited it recently, and it has not held up for me.
33:06 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Really, I haven't seen it in a long time, so I could see that being, and maybe that's why I don't revisit it lately, because it's like, it has a little spot.
33:16 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, carries very good.
33:19 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I casualty as a word is a hard watch.
33:23 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember being impressed by it, maybe just because it was, because pen is so good in that too, and JP Michael J. Fox plays, turns it a role that I've never seen from before.
33:36 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: mission of possible is is probably I would probably I mean in terms of just like all around I would say that one I'm even though snake eyes is a wonderful beauty feature And raising cane is a big pile I Love evil lift gav though.
33:55 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've ever bought the evil lift gav outside of the Dexter like every other time lift gav is a villain.
34:03 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's always a little bit like be sure
34:09 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk Vigo.
34:12 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We came to this because of Vigo and I do want to know.
34:17 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I do want to know.
34:19 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_04]: If Vigo, how many times you've actually said, how many times in your life have you said, I can't help.
34:41 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is such a refrain in this household.
34:48 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know how I've got it.
34:50 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's incalculable.
34:52 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
34:54 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if a month goes by where it's not said.
34:57 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: At least once.
34:58 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably nearing a thousand times.
35:04 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_03]: You, you've said I can't hump in the vegan ones.
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Look at me, man.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
35:20 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You've said it so often.
35:22 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But Heather has started to say it in this voice.
35:25 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, I mean, a lot of the times you're saying it on behalf of a dog, you know?
35:32 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
35:33 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing.
35:34 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: As long as I have animals in this house, that thing is for sure we're going to have.
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead and kill me.
35:37 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't soccer.
35:39 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very underrated part of that line.
35:42 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_03]: The way the way the way he delivers soccer.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's, I mean,
35:49 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He somehow turns it into like a, like a, a fourteen syllable word.
35:52 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how he knows it is.
35:55 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
35:56 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's my question.
35:58 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The C and the K are capitalized in that word.
36:00 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that is so interesting.
36:03 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like on one level, it's just amazing performance.
36:09 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And on another level, it's just maybe the most unintentionally funny performance I've ever seen.
36:14 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think
36:16 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So I really want to break down why I rewatch Carly goes away so much.
36:23 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say maybe number one of Sean Penn's performance, but like one B. It's the scene when I come when it's ready when he's like he when he's how he's a real stand up guy.
36:34 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, it's garbage.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't even on man.
36:44 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so funny because and it's even more.
36:49 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's even more.
36:52 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, this is probably the most that I've ever broken on this fun this bad guy.
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the funniest.
36:57 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all time seen for me in terms of just pure comedy.
37:04 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there are a few things that I mean, I'm like in tears last night.
37:09 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then and then I like so much so that I'm like,
37:12 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: when he gets the fuck like I totally forgot about that.
37:22 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, I didn't know who Vigo Mortensen was when I first watched this.
37:27 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you would told me at the time, oh yeah, here comes a Danish actor.
37:31 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He does not look, he does not look Puerto Rican.
37:36 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't look anything like
37:40 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing is I can't like, so him and Pacino stand out whenever whenever another actor shows up of the proper descent and their next to him.
37:49 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, what are you guys doing?
37:52 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind it.
37:54 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so enthralled with this.
37:55 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I mesmerize by this.
37:59 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so hilarious and so amazing at the same time.
38:04 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this movie, I think the reason why it's goofy when it shouldn't be, and it's like, the more earnest it becomes, the funnier it is.
38:16 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, I mean, because a great example of this is just Sean Penn Dancing.
38:20 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to see a compilation of Sean Penn Dancing in this film.
38:26 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fantastic.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Sean Penn is so,
38:31 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_00]: like he's the right tone for this entire movie.
38:33 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think because I think the movie to me this movie is more like I don't feel it's super self-aware.
38:42 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.
38:42 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the movie's trying to do something.
38:45 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's Brian De Palma.
38:47 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: All the way.
38:47 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:48 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:48 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I think it fancies itself is as heavy noir.
38:52 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:54 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it fancies itself as
38:57 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_00]: both a love story as well as a crime drama.
39:02 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it really thinks all these components together are working.
39:10 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And really, to me, this is very pulpy.
39:12 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very pulpy.
39:14 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I like it for that.
39:17 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I like it juxtaposed with its intent even more.
39:21 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it does in many ways
39:25 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sending up itself without realizing it.
39:29 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's poofing itself in its earnestness.
39:33 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: because it's like, how many times do you watch in nineteen seventies crime dramas?
39:37 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And you go, well, I understand, you know, like, you know, maybe they didn't have the budget or they didn't have this.
39:43 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It almost feels like it's up tribute to that style.
39:46 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's a great example of this.
39:48 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So watching the Godfather a couple months ago, there's a scene where James Con is supposed to be beating up a guy.
39:56 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_03]: He's supposed to be kicking a guy and he's clearly missing.
40:02 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It looks really bad.
40:04 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's sort of like, well, you know, they were just trying to get this movie made.
40:09 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they couldn't reach the scene.
40:11 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they didn't know people are going to watch it and rewatch it.
40:15 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So it really doesn't last, but I kind of look forward to it every time.
40:19 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, here comes the scene.
40:20 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't even touch them.
40:25 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of become one of these things where I know it's bad, but I love the movie so much that I kind of look forward to it every time.
40:34 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of Vigo in this in this film.
40:37 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because the performance is like, it's just so many questions as to, did you have to get Vigo?
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like that's for this particular semester of evil.
40:50 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But in that interesting to think about like you have the scene, you have
40:55 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Puerto Rican actors that you're disposal.
40:57 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You have, you have them.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They're in this movie.
41:01 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did they, and not not vehicles like a big get at this point?
41:06 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
41:07 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is I think this is the power of agents, right?
41:10 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this feels like the power of somebody knows somebody and they're like, Hey, I got you.
41:14 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I want that simple.
41:16 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my sky.
41:18 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_03]: What was that guy?
41:20 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I got to put him in the wheelchair.
41:22 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_03]: There's something about his face that makes me think disabled Puerto Rican.
41:27 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if only he can do a cartoonish accent.
41:32 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: you think and he's just training like he's up okay we got six months to until we shoot you're seeing and he's just over there just watching speedy Gonzalez he's watching all these different.
41:41 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
41:45 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_04]: She my pants every day I can't walk around.
41:50 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Man those those three man that's a trilogy that is the thing right I mean.
41:54 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's like you know something should happen to the other and I'm
41:59 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm on, you know, a dating app.
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna be in my bio.
42:02 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I ship my pants every day.
42:04 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't walk.
42:06 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't help.
42:13 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_03]: You'll do very well.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I find it's honesty refreshing.
42:18 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I can fix them.
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Steve, I forget a pretty cool to this.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I just get an entire, like,
42:29 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: movie about about that character.
42:33 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Just just trying to make do in his apartment.
42:38 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a cliche and trooper device in this movie that you like?
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's two things that came to mind.
42:46 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_00]: One, I really like it when like kind of a degenerate is throwing a house party and he's really upset about how like the people who they love that.
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I freaking love that.
43:00 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other one I like is, I love a scene where an undercover cop trying to be the one that convinces a guy to turn, but tries to do it in a way that's like, to show that they're like, they're kind of like the same, you know, and it never works.
43:16 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_00]: When they're trying to get him to flip on his lawyer at the end, he's like, I'm all man, you know, you get back at him.
43:23 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just doesn't work.
43:25 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So the one I like,
43:28 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_03]: is when someone's trying to get away from the bad guy and they're in a crowded place.
43:34 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It's either a mall or train station or someplace where there's a lot of people around.
43:40 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's kind of a wide open space.
43:42 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's going to be really hard to get away from them.
43:46 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And then someone carrying like twelve balloons walks by.
43:54 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, dude, if I can get myself behind those balloons, there's no way these villains will catch me.
43:59 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So it goes beyond the balloons and then they're just completely bewildered.
44:04 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_03]: That guy just vanished.
44:08 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
44:08 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I also love any kind of like last minute subway door get away.
44:14 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
44:16 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you do you buy any of this romantic subplot?
44:20 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't buy it at all.
44:22 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's doing something interesting.
44:24 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, it wants to tell the story that he's trying to go straight, but that her life has gotten more gritty in the last five years.
44:35 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
44:35 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
44:35 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_03]: On different trajectories, which is kind of an interesting story to tell.
44:39 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't have any chemistry at all.
44:44 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see Al Pacino
44:47 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_03]: do anything sexual ever.
44:51 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_03]: She kind of her character doesn't really make sense.
44:56 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's what I don't under and this is I think that one of the issues I have and I'm just going back to what we're talking about like the lack of self awareness of this film and I think I think this is what I'm about to say is it's more true of the film but I sometimes try to give it the benefit of the doubt is I feel like they've created a very, very dumb female character.
45:16 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: but they think she's strong.
45:19 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they think that she's complex, but she's not.
45:22 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: She's one of the dumbest people on earth.
45:24 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And she gets really trophy, you know, it's sort of like, the path you're on will lead you to your own death.
45:30 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And here's a little voice of wisdom for you.
45:33 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you could just follow this advice, you'd be better off, you know, sort of trying to keep the man from being manly, you know, that kind of thing.
45:45 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then it's like, oh, well, I'm pregnant, but I'm going to get rid of it.
45:49 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, don't, why don't we go sell rental cars together and then she's like, okay.
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's well, it's like, oh, okay, we'll do that.
45:58 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I do like, I do, I don't know if you've, when's the last time you've seen the freshman?
46:04 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen the first one.
46:05 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_03]: With Matthew, Bradric and Marlon Brando.
46:10 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_03]: She's in this movie.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I love this movie.
46:13 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a horrible movie.
46:16 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_03]: It just ends really poorly.
46:19 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_03]: But I will rewatch it over and over again.
46:21 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's a really smart, a parody of like one of these seventies crime drama mafia movies.
46:32 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoy it.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And she's in that movie.
46:34 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of, I kind of like her just for that role that she's in.
46:39 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's, she's, she's a good actress.
46:41 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this movie, like I said, I think this movie really makes a very awful character in an awful, just a, it's just so many misguided decisions and all these, but again, I'm like, I want to hand, I'm like, well, it wouldn't be out of the realm of, you know, reality to have, you know, a Carlito kind of corrupting a not very bright woman's
47:09 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, life and trajectory, right?
47:11 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That part, like, like, I think that is kind of, that could be an interesting story, right?
47:16 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, where it's like, instead of going out of your way to make all the characters complex, you can actually have some of them be a little bit, you know, maybe dancer or naive, and then that could be part of the tragedy, right?
47:31 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That could be a tragic unraveling of this person's story as well.
47:35 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's more of a spotlight on some of the,
47:39 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: and blind spots of the gravity of your main character to complicate him, right?
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't think that we're making a choice.
47:45 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_03]: What you're describing is good fellas.
47:47 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_03]: This is exactly what happens.
47:49 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
47:49 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:49 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, but the thing is, significantly better movie than this.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:54 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, not to think if that's the story you want to tell with her, that's actually an interesting story and it actually makes Carlito a little, it makes him more complicated because then you're like, well, who am I rooting for?
48:05 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I want him to do better, but like, for him to do better,
48:08 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He has to bring somebody kind of down.
48:10 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he takes advantage of somebody who maybe is not that bright.
48:14 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And that makes, like, it's him creating an illusion.
48:17 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, and I'm describing a movie that's way better.
48:20 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
48:21 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
48:21 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not the movie I watched.
48:22 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, I tried to give this movie benefit of the doubt.
48:24 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I realized, no, you actually think you've created a complex character and an interesting love story and you've done neither.
48:29 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
48:30 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was going to ask you what tweak you'd make.
48:33 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds like a pretty good tweak.
48:35 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a tweak.
48:36 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I would change his, he's not pure Puerto Rican.
48:40 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_00]: If Puerto Rican at all.
48:42 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And voiceover, no more.
48:44 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No more voiceover.
48:46 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
48:46 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I have to ask you this because no one hates John Lake was on one more than you two.
48:52 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind him in this movie, but as I'm watching, I've got to like a little Steve Devil on one shoulder sort of nagging John Lake was Amo as I'm watching.
49:03 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's actually pretty good.
49:06 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm having a hard time with my life because I'm like, maybe like, Osama's not so bad.
49:16 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_03]: You'd come around.
49:19 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Not fully around, but I'm watching him in this and I'm like, he does everything you wanted to do in this movie.
49:24 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I buy his character actually in the scenes he's in.
49:29 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he does what you exactly what you wanted to do.
49:34 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Osama was not the problem in this movie.
49:36 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_03]: No, in a movie that is right with problems, there was almost not the worst thing.
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_03]: It's movies too long, right?
49:44 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's at least twenty minutes too long.
49:48 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It is a two hour and twenty minute movie.
49:51 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I think all the slow most scenes in the beginning.
49:55 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe fast forward.
49:56 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that would never end.
49:57 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, whoa, dude.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?
50:01 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, did I get the directors cut that's just credits?
50:10 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Steve is this movie better worse or on par with a run Howard film.
50:14 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it's a run Howard minus three.
50:16 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's I mean, I don't want to be too low because I do because I get see get some good he gets good performance like it's a good performance.
50:26 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, minus three might be a little high.
50:32 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say Ron Howard minus five on this one.
50:35 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not because I think it's a bad movie.
50:37 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the first thirty minutes is really bad.
50:39 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Al Pacino is not helping anything in this movie.
50:46 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It just feels like give me a replacement level director.
50:53 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And this movie is significantly better.
50:57 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_03]: right.
50:57 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And so if it was sort of like, ah, this was the diploma joint, but he had to drop out for whatever reason he had to drop out.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get Ron Howard.
51:08 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that this movie is vastly improved.
51:12 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's that is my assessment of this.
51:18 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a Kevin Bacon character, you, a character in Kevin Bacon's filmography that you could insert into this movie?
51:33 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I kind of think of a time where Kevin Bacon had an accent for a nationality.
51:40 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He was not.
51:43 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was not able to find one because I thought that would be, it wouldn't even matter what the role was.
51:49 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
51:51 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me suggest one.
51:53 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
51:54 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I just watched, we watched JFK.
51:59 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
52:00 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_03]: You remember Kevin Bacon's role in JFK?
52:03 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, vaguely.
52:04 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_03]: He's Tommy Lee Jones's twink.
52:08 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
52:08 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I put him in this movie.
52:10 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't get a Southern accent.
52:12 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, perfect.
52:14 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_03]: He's in jail and he makes unwanted advances to Kevin Costner at one point.
52:20 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, replace me replace Vigo with him.
52:26 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this is someone that the good old Carlito met in prison.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: This is we find out this guy's now like the head of the Italian mafia.
52:38 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
52:48 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Just move you have a half the battle one to go on moments.
52:55 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe if if you shit your pants every day and you can't walk and you can't home, maybe journal that.
53:11 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_00]: don't become famous for that right don't become the you realize how life changed for me watching lower the rings when I figured out that shit's his pants every day
53:32 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so Steve, Luis Guzman brings us next to punch drunk love.
53:41 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
53:43 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, I just, just one more time here.
53:47 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You got everything, man.
53:48 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, come on.
53:51 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Look what I've got.
53:52 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I got fucking go around with fucking diapers, man.
53:55 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I got fucking diapers.
53:57 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I shoot my pants every day.
53:59 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't walk.
53:59 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't home.
54:01 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, go ahead and kill me, you cock-sucker!
54:09 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Mary, a nomination for that.
54:14 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_03]: This is your return of the game.
54:17 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a good show.
55:30 --> 55:31 [UNKNOWN]: Come on!