Steve and Anthony cover the Running Man while channeling the spirit of Jim J. Bullock.
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00:19 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to ProperlyHower, a podcast that reviews classic films and other old fiction.
00:25 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Today we take a look at the science fiction remake The Running Man.
00:29 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Starring Glenn Powell and a slew of other better actors, The Running Man takes you to a future where media and government are two sides of the same coin and game shows serve as the justice system.
00:40 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And in case you missed my earlier dig, Glenn Powell is not good.
00:44 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_05]: with me to discuss this film as always is Dr. Anthony LaDon.
00:49 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_02]: E-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d I like to see a fictional game show for a futuristic movie.
00:56 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_02]: A fictional game show is really fun and because of that I was thinking you know sort of getting a little nostalgic for a little nostalgic for game shows it is a little odd that
01:10 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_02]: that my childhood was spent so much watching media that wasn't designed for me.
01:17 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I feel like my children watch media that specifically curated for them.
01:22 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's good, but it's so specific to them that the algorithm knows exactly what they want to see and you know, just feed it to them.
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: When I turned on the television, I might watch a soap.
01:36 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I was not the demographic for the soap.
01:40 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I might, I might watch an infomercial that I've sent.
01:44 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd never buy.
01:45 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I might watch a local commercial for like sighting or the beauty store and more or whatever.
01:52 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I might watch things, games shows were one of those things.
01:57 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I would never choose to watch it.
01:59 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I want to sit down and watch Hollywood squares.
02:03 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I can't imagine one of my kids going flipping stations and going, oh, cool, a game show.
02:08 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_05]: then that has a lot to do with just options, right?
02:10 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you said, they can go with a matter of whether it's streaming or whether it was cable.
02:16 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_05]: If you wanted to watch something that you wanted to watch, you'd find it.
02:20 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_05]: You'd find something for you.
02:21 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you'd find the closest thing, right?
02:24 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And for us, it was like, well, if we're a home, sick from school, programming is not for us.
02:32 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_05]: But I'll be damned if I'm not going to watch TV.
02:37 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely right.
02:38 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got a little nostalgic this week and it was given partly because, you know, the newly wood show was on the mind and kind of a nice little way to sort of start this whole thing off in it and it is and Richard Dawson comes in hot, right?
03:08 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the game shows that we're on were kind of like, all right, they're just going to put four of these in a row.
03:13 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll watch them all for me Hollywood squares was the best because you knew that you were going to get jokes right because every square that you chose was going to get a joke and it may not be a good joke, but it kind of had the sense of a stand up special in that you were going to get a joke at a certain interval.
03:36 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes they would actually bring on comedians to do this, right?
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
03:40 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was watching old Hollywood squares.
03:44 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, it was the new Hollywood squares.
03:47 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this with Jim J.
03:48 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_02]: This was with Jim J. Bullock.
03:51 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Jim J. Bullock was sort of the first time I saw a gay person normalized on television.
03:56 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I was sort of a revolutionary moment.
03:58 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And I knew that not all gay people were going to be intelligent with Jim J. Bullock.
04:05 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_02]: because he might have been the stupidest guy in Hollywood.
04:11 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So during the introduction to Jim J. Hollywood Squares, it was a too close for comfort like me.
04:15 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It was certainly Hollywood Squares.
04:17 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's the other thing about Hollywood Squares.
04:19 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_02]: These were supposed to be famous people.
04:22 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
04:23 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea who they were.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
04:26 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, like Shadow Stevens was as famous as anyone else on that show.
04:32 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so you've got, you know, Don Davidson, Joan Rivers, who, of course, I would have known from, like, if I was, if I was on adult watching this show, I definitely would have known Joan Rivers.
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Roy Clark, I might have seen him.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He, huh?
04:49 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I was a, we were a he, we were a he, hop-in, but I wouldn't know that it would, I didn't know that that guy's famous, you know?
04:54 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
04:55 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't know him as Roy Clark.
04:57 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, you get a little bit further on and then they would include like a muppet or alpha, or something like that.
05:03 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, when alpha's on, it was must eat.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, what's quit?
05:07 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Which is, oh, he's a little bit crazy like, wait, is Alfa real, does he, is he an actor?
05:13 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, is he an actor?
05:13 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, for me, I'm like, are they, are they, are they really committed to this bit that I'm supposed to believe that Alfa just like, like, he got the part?
05:23 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, so that was my favorite, but what was your favorite game show coming up?
05:27 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I loved game shows.
05:36 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed, you know, what kind of whammy is going to come out and ruin this guy's turn?
05:41 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Like a cartoon was a great element.
05:44 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_05]: But for some reason, I have a real soft, I mean, again, like when was your draw?
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the, I mean, I still have scrab.
05:50 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I used to watch them all.
05:50 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_05]: But sale of the centuries sticks with me.
05:55 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know, maybe it was because with the if you got like you could choose to to to keep money or keep doing something and then like they could kind of strategy involved the count the money out to you always thought that was red.
06:07 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_05]: And there was something about the vibe of sale of the century that just it just scratches scratches my itching I would love to go back and rewatch some of those because.
06:17 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And I always loved showcases and that's what I liked about the old.
06:24 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_05]: original uh wheel of fortune is you didn't get the money.
06:26 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_05]: You had to spend the money and you would go to a showcase and you would have to buy Stuff with your winnings and so that was a chunk of the show is them going around and kind of like it's like online shopping before it existed Yeah, and you would be sitting there with like you got like $75 left and I'm gonna give you $75 You're gonna have to buy a $60 Dalmatian a statue That was my favorite thing.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like man.
06:51 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I would just go in there
06:52 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_05]: with like $10 and by I want $10 worth of that statute.
06:57 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Keep them company.
06:59 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so as a kid, I was always perplexed by the showcases because I'm thinking, well, what would I buy?
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking, this is a bedroom set.
07:09 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, Nintendo's in here.
07:11 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, like, I don't care.
07:13 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care about anything in the bedroom set.
07:16 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, every now and again, there'd be a jet ski.
07:19 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
07:19 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
07:20 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And to be like, of course, you're going to go with the jet ski, but then there's a question like, how do they get this home?
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Does this jet ski come with like a, now I have to get a trailer.
07:29 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I was always perplexed by that.
07:33 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_02]: No, of course, I think in reality, all of these people could just take the cash value, right, of whatever it was that they were, you know, buying.
07:43 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't have to transport these things.
07:45 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and
07:49 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_05]: over, you know, the prizes so that they you'd name their their company.
07:53 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's kind of how it's funded.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I have thought though.
07:57 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if you were living in LA and you just were like poking around garage sales, whether you'd find those downation statues.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_02]: That'd be awesome.
08:09 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you must be able to find those downation statues on eBay.
08:14 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: There must be.
08:15 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: There must be some kind of need.
08:17 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I need a will of origin certificate of authenticity though.
08:25 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So Steve, I've never seen the running man, the original running man, start to finish until two nights ago.
08:33 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So did you watch that before you watch the run?
08:35 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I did, yeah, I thought I might as well, revisit the classic.
08:41 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not know it was a Stephen King joint.
08:44 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
08:46 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Short story, I'm assuming.
08:49 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I believe it's like, maybe I know what that might mean.
08:52 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_05]: if that.
08:52 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And I maybe just that was new to me.
08:54 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was, uh, amazed, amazed by Richard Dawson's acting ability.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's in.
09:05 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So we, I do think we should talk about both versions of the running in a movie that was just, very poorly acted otherwise.
09:15 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I was amazed at, um, I was not
09:22 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that a zap of a project?
09:26 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I'm sure this is all sort of well-trot ground.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The movies what like 40 years old or whatever.
09:33 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I think you, I think you overestimate how many people are talking about the running man.
09:37 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you don't think people are talking about the running man.
09:41 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we are.
09:42 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I think it's important that we do because it's funny.
09:46 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_05]: I, I re-watched it yesterday, the original.
09:51 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_05]: It may be of all I mean Schwarzenegger, you know, was sort of for for from, you know, boys of the age that we were Yeah, his peak, I mean like Is he was here John Wayne, you know, I mean
10:07 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of, you know, it's kind of it.
10:09 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you nailed it.
10:10 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he was our John Wayne and it wasn't like we cared.
10:14 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't care how he delivered his lines.
10:17 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He was just Schwarzenegger.
10:18 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We loved him for just being the big dumb, mussely guy that he was.
10:24 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and you knew if he was attached to something, you were gonna watch it.
10:31 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_05]: And chances are you're going to probably enjoy it even if it's not like I mean because you know you're getting you weren't going to be sitting there you weren't expecting a living a ask performance.
10:41 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think running man might be the one of all of those like if you look at that chunk right I mean whether it's terminator commando raw deal, um, you know, take your take your pick in that in that time running that might be the one I've seen the most weirdly enough.
10:58 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's interesting, so I'm not sure why I think part of it is I do think it's a it's a really cool idea.
11:05 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I think the concept is really interesting.
11:07 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_05]: I think having the remake which is not so much a remake of the movie so much as it is a supposedly a more faithful adaptation of the source material.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's interesting how.
11:22 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's how so much of what was being said in both films is sort of rings true as far as a critique today, but even maybe more so with with social media.
11:32 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I thought it was kind of precious that the justice department is in bed with the media, right, to create false narratives to incite a segment of the public.
11:44 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I like, I honestly like I was thinking.
11:48 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: This is supposed to be sci-fi.
11:50 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I'm living this reality right now.
11:52 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not in the form of a game show, but, well, I mean, you're looking at what like a movie that's 40 years old, like you said, science fiction could take you 40 years into the future, right?
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the other part of this, right?
12:06 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Like this whole concept of not too distant future is like when we grew up, we're in it now.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_05]: And there are less flying cars, but there's
12:14 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_05]: the corruption we thought there would be.
12:15 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, our, yes, our corrupt justice department is not sort of using an actual game show to prosecute criminals, but the guy who's behind it used to be a game show personality, right?
12:31 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So that part of it is eerily precious, I thought.
12:37 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and there's some, sometimes there's like, there's voice, you know, there's just certain,
12:44 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's, it feels like he's doing a ton of an impression of now in times.
12:50 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Also, I mean, you know, I mean,
12:53 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean Richard Dawson was an actor before or like a kind of you know, I did not know that I thought he was I thought he was a very I mean you're asking him to be a game show host, which is actually he's yeah, but you're but I mean it's not like it's not like in family feud.
13:06 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_05]: He was an evil game show I mean he was a little cringey and I don't know what that maybe maybe we should rethink.
13:15 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, maybe Yeah, not not everybody needed to be kissed
13:20 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_05]: but that's the thing, right?
13:21 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_05]: So like, because he was a, I knew him primarily from family feud, but then also Hogan's heroes reruns.
13:30 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And I, so I knew him as a game show host first.
13:32 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And like when you look at it now, like how many games show hosts, you know, a lot of them were like either comics or they were actually actors.
13:37 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Some of them, like, actually like, like, it's become kind of popular for a little bit, anyway, to like, to pull kind of like a minus list and B plus list,
13:50 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that was always the case.
13:52 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it was kind of like, well, you can keep working, which you got to host the feud.
13:56 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And so it's not, but I mean, like, not like Richard Dawson was acting in conjunction with the family feud, I don't think.
14:05 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_05]: So seeing him as, you know, killing him was kind of like, well, that's crazy when I first came out.
14:12 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, that's, you know what I mean?
14:14 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, watch him pat, say Jack, be a villain or something.
14:20 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_05]: But he kind of nails it and I think he's kind of an underrated 80s villain.
14:24 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree I was kind of amazed with him.
14:27 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like there's just bad acting all around him And so it maybe it makes him stand out
14:35 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's pretty noticeable that this is the one guy who I I don't recognize as an actor.
14:41 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I recognize him as a game show host and he's the most believable guy in the movie and as you say, it's like he's murderous.
14:50 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's at least he might be evil on the family feud, but he's not murderous evil on the family feud that we know of.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_05]: So he was amazing.
14:59 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_05]: He's convincing like I mean he actually like it's
15:02 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_05]: every time he's he's doing something I buy it right like and he and he doesn't have like a ton of screen time right like when he's got a paramount but like not you know as far as villains go I mean he he does so much with with what he's doing because they because really like he's he's this mastermind and there's these cartoonish stalkers
15:22 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So what's in your movies for me were always I had always heard I don't know if you had this experience You know, there are six kids in my family that we didn't go to the movies very often.
15:33 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So With a Schwarzenegger movie, especially in our rated Schwarzenegger movie I would always hear the plot beat for beat on the playground.
15:43 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
15:43 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah You know there'd be some kid who was able to go to the movies
15:48 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_02]: they were thrilled with whatever action movie Schwarzenegger was in and they would come and they would just recount commando beat for beat like then this happens and this happens Schwarzenegger movies were made to be summarized by an 11 year old.
16:05 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's totally true.
16:06 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: This movie has all of the, the one liners.
16:10 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I've asked you this question before.
16:12 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is a particular genre of literary, it's like a particular literary feature.
16:19 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_02]: where the action hero is about to kill someone and he has a little clip, right?
16:26 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit of witty reparté before he chainsaw someone's male parts off or whatever.
16:35 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's usually a pun or something.
16:42 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's usually like the action hero is more amused by himself and anyone else's.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
16:49 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
16:51 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_05]: It's sort of like heroic autism.
16:55 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit like, um, like, I'm enjoying myself so much.
17:01 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so in my own bag, but I don't even care if anyone else doesn't like this pun.
17:06 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and that was such a feature of 80s action films, but I think maybe Arnold does it, the more in this movie than any other movie I've seen.
17:16 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this movie has like seven of them.
17:21 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, give me a lift.
17:23 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
17:47 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't set it.
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Killian.
17:50 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be back.
17:52 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's sub-zero.
17:54 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, plain-zero.
17:57 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: What happened to Baza?
17:59 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he had to split.
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Christmas dream.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I wonder, I was thinking that myself, like, is there more in this one?
18:07 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Or are they so jaw-droppingly bad that they stand out more?
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Because I mean, yeah.
18:14 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_05]: when he's firing off a dynamo and he's like, Hey, Christmas tree, like, I mean, really?
18:20 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Like Bob!
18:22 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Like now he's just, it's just madlips.
18:25 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard you do an impression of his opening helicopter sequence a lot.
18:31 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So much so that I feel like I had seen it before.
18:35 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I must have seen this before, because Steve does the helicopter voice a lot.
18:40 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_04]: There's industry women and children down there.
18:46 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_04]: to see what the mission is planned.
18:48 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_04]: He'll deal with you.
18:56 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I just kept thinking, I kept thinking like the directors, like he's like pretending to hang off the helicopter and like, nah, more grunts.
19:03 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Cut, come on, Arnold, what's the matter?
19:05 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_05]: You're hanging off a helicopter.
19:06 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_05]: What would that be like?
19:09 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-
19:22 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_05]: It could just find out that it's fortunate.
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_05]: It just says like sleep apnea or something.
19:25 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's like the time he lays down.
19:27 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_05]: He makes that noise, whether he wants to or not.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what to call these, these one liners.
19:33 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call them murder puns from now on because I don't know that there is an official name, but there must be an official name for these things.
19:42 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: because they were such a major feature of movie making.
19:44 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, screen writers have a little name for everything.
19:48 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, we're gonna go all murder puns from here on out.
19:52 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like maybe they've gone away.
19:56 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Present day action films will almost say it almost as a wink of the audience, like we don't really do this anymore, but wasn't this a fun time in history when we used to do this kind of thing?
20:07 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_02]: But it could be that I just don't watch action films.
20:09 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe I don't know.
20:11 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this one, yeah, this one, in particular, because Schwarzenegger, like Schwarzenegger and Freddy Krueger seem to have like, you know, like the same sort of path right where it's like, they were like before, Schwarzenegger was more like Terminator, if you look at him just sort of a killing machine, he would, yeah, if he had a funny, if he had a funny clip, it was supposed to be like a ridiculous thing that a robot would say, and it was like in his catalog of things he could say.
20:37 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So then I don't know when it really switched up or like when they when they assigned him this, you know, like in predator, uh, you know, he's got like his knock knock stick around like things like that.
20:50 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, sir, a little bit faster.
20:52 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_05]: They're a little bit, um, if you're going to say they're they're time appropriate.
20:57 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_05]: They're more time appropriate than any of the stuff he's saying and in running man, like in running man, it's just it's kind of outrageous how many of these he's doing and how
21:06 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_05]: like how much time it spent to do it.
21:10 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's been a worse actor in any other film.
21:14 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty remarkable.
21:15 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you mentioned that, you sent me a text and I'm like, well, I mean, if you're going to, I'm going to start criticizing Schwarzenegger's acting and then like, what are we doing?
21:21 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he actually gets interesting later on.
21:24 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's never not Schwarzenegger, right?
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is, you never lose him in a row.
21:31 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Is a little bit weird.
21:32 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little odd.
21:33 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little odd that we always just kind of accept that he's sort of like American military.
21:39 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm, yeah, right.
21:40 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, why not?
21:41 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_05]: So much so that we're like, make him the governor.
21:44 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
21:50 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's, he's never not towards an anger, but I was thinking about the movie Twins.
21:59 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like he's doing something different in there, and or true lies or something.
22:03 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's doing something, it's just a notch up.
22:06 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: The acting's a notch up.
22:07 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not actually good acting, but it's a notch up from what we're seeing in these action films.
22:13 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
22:13 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll do yourself a favor and just watch the scene in Twins, where you see things, yeah,
22:18 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Take out the papers and the trash.
22:22 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you don't get no spending cash.
22:26 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't scrap that kitchen floor, you ain't gonna rock and roll no more.
22:31 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yack it, yack.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't talk back.
22:36 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_05]: You may old-running man in a politics.
22:41 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And you ever see the last action hero?
22:43 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Never saw that.
22:44 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_05]: That one's like very self-referential, right?
22:46 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's very meta.
22:47 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_05]: uh... it's uh... it's an interesting watch i think i think it's uh... certainly would definitely be something that i might uh... properly howard you eventually would so here's my question to you
23:03 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: sorts of fingers may be the most successful Hollywood actor of all time.
23:10 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, terms of like just blockbusters, the films that he put out made money.
23:16 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's almost difficult to find a movie that sort of like, even though any man, it's like, is this a good movie?
23:23 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.
23:25 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this a movie that probably made a lot of money?
23:28 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, all
23:34 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's interesting because he was kind of like he was a strategy himself, right?
23:39 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_05]: So when when twins comes out, you almost don't even care what the plot is, it's new.
23:45 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_05]: He was going to be off-type.
23:46 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_05]: And so that in and of itself was a reason to watch.
23:50 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
23:50 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he's just going to be just going to be a comedic role.
23:54 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_05]: So he becomes the marketing campaign just by existing.
23:58 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_02]: you know what that was the first film that I actually he actually was the right person to cast for it because the premise of twins is he's just a genetic superman and he was sort of genetically engineered to be this sort of like whatever the opposite of a short Italian is that's what you are now.
24:27 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, in the bottle of wine, he would be the drags, right?
24:29 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Like he's he's the sediment at the bottom.
24:32 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's a subtle commentary on the Italians, which I'll forgive.
24:37 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's subtle.
24:37 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it was exactly what we needed at the time.
24:40 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So in that movie in Twins, Schwarzenegger is the right person to cast for this.
24:46 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Every other film was like, do I buy you as a former beat cop?
24:50 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're like an Austrian body builder.
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why would I think that?
24:55 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Why would I think that you decided to immigrate to America and then immediately join the military?
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, right.
25:03 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, if you, if you, if you, it feels like
25:05 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That guy is built to only be a bodybuilder.
25:08 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't buy him in any other occupation.
25:10 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But I buy him in twins, right?
25:12 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So when did that shift happen?
25:15 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Was it kindergarten cop?
25:17 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
25:18 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Because at one point, Swordsmanager just kind of becomes a comedic actor.
25:23 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, Jingle all the way, it comes out, yeah.
25:26 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Because even last action here, it was sort of like, while it was action, it was still played for laughs.
25:30 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like,
25:31 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_05]: that was like the real test to find out.
25:33 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, now what if we combine these two and this is your new forever role and I think that may have been one of the reasons why it sort of collapsed on itself was that it was like, no, no, we either needed to be completely off-type or we need them to be comedic while breaking next.
25:50 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_05]: And if you give us too much of both, we give us actually nothing.
25:56 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I wanted to spend some time with sorts of nigger because I feel like running man kind of even though running man is very, very poorly acted it works because you're on board with sorts of nigger from the jump just because he sorts of nigger right right right so there's an advantage you do have like he has a cheat code you're you know that you
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_05]: It'd be weird if you're like, I don't find this very believable at any point, right?
26:22 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just like, you need that helicopter scene to establish that he's actually a good guy because it comes in handy later in the film when they doctor the film, right?
26:31 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, man.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So you need that as a plot device.
26:34 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't really need it to establish him as a good guy.
26:37 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, this guy takes, he just gleefully murders people to get revenge.
26:43 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's kind of the premise of the movie.
26:46 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to believe that he's willing to do that.
26:48 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas the remake, I'm moving on to the remake now.
26:52 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather not.
26:53 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.
26:56 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The remake has to do so.
26:58 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I either, the remake tries so hard to make Powell feel like a good guy.
27:06 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I don't think it does.
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's its fatal flaw.
27:09 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me just, let me just run these down.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. OK.
27:13 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So number one, he is down on his luck.
27:18 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a cute kid, he's a girl dad, he's a blue collar worker, he helps a sick guy in line, he helps hurl a he when he's falling off of the rock climb wall.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You give me like five or six different instances where you're trying to communicate to me.
27:37 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You should root for this guy.
27:39 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy is your hero.
27:42 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy deep down has a heart of gold.
27:45 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just too much.
27:48 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I absolutely don't need all of that information and I feel like maybe you're doing that because you've cast the wrong guy.
27:57 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
27:57 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Now we're on to the meat of this, right?
28:01 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Glenn Powell is the end to Richard Dawson's Yang.
28:08 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_05]: We're Richard Dawson shines in a sea of really bad acting.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Glenn Powell is the opposite.
28:14 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_05]: you are so right about this, and I don't know what your relationship with Glenn Powell is.
28:20 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_05]: My son refers to him as an industry plant.
28:22 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_05]: I love that.
28:25 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Basically, you're going to like this guy.
28:27 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to force feed you Glenn Powell as much as we can to the point where you just accept the fact that he is a leading man and he's interesting with no other evidence on the screen.
28:41 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think it's interesting what you talk about when you, yes, they're forcing us to say these are all the reasons why he's a good guy and they have to do that because they made another mistake is let's make him as angry and unlikable as you could possibly get like there's nothing about his performance when he's like super angry that makes me want to root for him at all and not
29:04 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_05]: because he doesn't convey that he's coming by this like anger or rage, honestly, it just feels like an exercise, like an acting exercise, all right, now go be angry and and he did his, you know, he did a couple of like, you know, classes at the junior college and he learned anger and he did that.
29:23 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's so he's so unconvincing in so many different ways that the
29:32 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_05]: They'd miscast the guy so bad.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, my daughter watched all of the running man.
29:36 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_05]: She's not a Glen Pell fan.
29:39 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_05]: She watched it with me because she was curious.
29:41 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Because I think there's this fascination in my household about, you know, the what is the deal with this guy.
29:47 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_05]: And she's texting me the next day.
29:50 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_05]: She's like, I like to this movie.
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_05]: But like, she likes the idea.
29:54 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, she's like, there's a movie here that's really interesting.
29:58 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's the execution and it's mostly the execution of the leading man.
30:02 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_05]: And if your movie is called the running man and the man that's running is someone you don't care about.
30:10 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
30:10 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_05]: That's hard.
30:10 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a hard, that's a hard watch.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So, all right, Edgar Wright is the director.
30:19 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Edgar Wright is
30:25 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_02]: to get us on board with him, right?
30:28 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if he's got another option, besides just casting someone else, because it's very clear from the beginning, this guy's made of cardboard, like I don't, I don't believe he's angry.
30:42 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm, not at all.
30:42 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that he's angry and I think that there's something about
30:47 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_02]: what Brollen does with his eyes where I kind of think like oh somewhere down deep deep down you're a really angry person.
30:56 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Same with Coleman to Bingo.
30:57 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's actually two actors in this film that would be better to be a better running man.
31:03 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Then pal, you could pick anybody in this.
31:05 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_05]: The running man, the original requires Schwarzenegger to be Schwarzenegger.
31:10 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_05]: This particular film does not need a Schwarzenegger.
31:13 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't need a chiseled guy.
31:17 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, you might be better served without it.
31:19 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody who's maybe wily, somebody who's clever, somebody with stamina, right?
31:24 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you want to see Martin Hurley, he is the right man.
31:27 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, honestly, I said you could you could have put Michael Sarah as the running man in this movie is like 10 times better.
31:35 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so I like Edgar Wright.
31:37 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I've found Edgar Wright because you recommended him to me.
31:41 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a fan.
31:43 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a fan of everything he does, but I really enjoyed the what the Neapolitan trilogy.
31:52 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you call it?
31:53 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the accordion coronat.
31:56 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, that's, that's what it is.
31:58 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Sean of the dead, hot fuzz and
32:02 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it the world's end or the end of the world?
32:04 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, world's end, yeah.
32:05 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The world's end.
32:06 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_02]: All those were very entertaining for sure.
32:11 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Scott Pellium versus the world.
32:13 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Scott Pellium, Scott Pellium versus the world.
32:17 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it's versus the world.
32:20 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
32:21 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of a different tone but entertaining for sure.
32:27 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I liked Baby Driver when it first came out.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I still think you can cast Spezi as a bad guy.
32:33 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's okay.
32:34 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we should normalize that.
32:36 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're a bad person in real life, we will let you play only bad guys in films.
32:43 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_02]: and again, and this film, if I had to say anything good for it, it would say that Edgar Wright has the best soundtracks in his films.
32:53 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just so great at the needle drop, very underrated feature of his films.
33:00 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think this could have been another Edgar Wright home run,
33:09 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's just the wrong person for this.
33:12 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe he's angry and I think that you messed up his motivations.
33:17 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you don't really need Arnold to have a motivation.
33:22 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just Arnold and that's your on board that movie just because it's Arnold making puns and murdering people and that's what you go to an Arnold movie for.
33:33 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy needs to get medicine for his sick child.
33:38 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's so cliche.
33:40 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, this is supposed to have made him really angry and cynical with the real world.
33:47 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: When I look at Len Palo, I think, you've lived such a charm life, I don't believe that you have any anger in your soul.
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
33:57 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't believe it.
33:58 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, that is my, my assessment of the, when I, yeah, when I see him, I'm like, oh, he's a blue color guy who is insanely chiseled.
34:07 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess just by virtue of work and at the job.
34:11 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you know, how much gym time and diet, it would take to look this way, yet you're, you're trying to get me to believe that you're just slumming it.
34:22 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_05]: What you need is somebody who's intelligent and desperate.
34:27 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like more than anything else, not angry and hot.
34:32 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Like that's too, it doesn't, it doesn't work for this story.
34:37 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's so interesting because I don't view Schwarzenegger as intelligent or a desperate.
34:42 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I mean, I'm talking just about this version of the movie.
34:45 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, okay.
34:46 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Because in the first one, there is a desperation.
34:49 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_05]: He's just sort of like, look, it's, you go back to jail forever.
34:52 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you get executed, you got to do this.
34:56 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_05]: The running man, the original running man is not, none of that, like the only requirement is Schwarzenegger is awesome.
35:02 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
35:03 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what he needs to be and everything else is fine.
35:05 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_05]: But in this movie, you've put all the ingredients in place to make this running man character like sympathetic, this running man.
35:15 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Like so you're supposed to be like, like he should be, you should be heartbroken that he's been, you know, you know,
35:23 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_05]: portrayed on screen as this awful human being, right?
35:26 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, but he's just so angry.
35:28 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_05]: He just wants to like, like, the idea that he has to be held back as he just wants to to fight and it's like, well, that would be, that's, that's part of the problem with this, this film is, is that the audience is seeing him behave in such a way that almost reflects what,
35:43 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_05]: what the artificial image is suggesting.
35:47 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think your Sun's point is actually really important here.
35:52 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's say you're Edgar Wright, you want to remake this film, right?
35:55 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to get Stephen King on board, right?
35:57 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_02]: As an executive producer.
35:59 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's like, check that off.
36:01 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you need to attach the next big action star to it.
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And it feels like,
36:08 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Glen Powell is sort of the way that you get this movie made.
36:13 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, well, in order for a studio to take this on, they're gonna wanna see that you've got some big name attached to it.
36:23 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And Glen Powell is sort of the way you get this movie through the front door.
36:28 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he, I think, from a studio heads perspective, oh, well, he's the next guy, he's the guy that is a proven
36:38 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he can make a remake of Twister's work.
36:42 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, so we know that that works.
36:44 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's let's let's attach his name to it and we'll get this thing funded.
36:49 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think once you get it through the front door and you realize that he's not he's not the guy.
36:53 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not working.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to replace him with someone.
36:56 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So who do you replace him with?
36:58 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_05]: It's hard.
36:59 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_05]: It would be hard to make this movie an action movie without having like an action hero attached to it.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
37:05 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that's the challenge and who are our great
37:09 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Timothy Shalame.
37:13 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, but I could kind of go to my other point where I don't think you need a chiseled face for this role.
37:23 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I think you you're better served if maybe, you know, like honestly, you know, who are biggest action stars right now,
37:34 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like, is anyone making more movies than she is on this sort of in this tone or whatever?
37:40 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_05]: It'd be Joe Kerry from Stranger Things and I'm in.
37:44 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, there you go.
37:45 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
37:45 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_05]: See, like, again, it doesn't have to be this, the, it's a running man, not a wrecking man, you know what I mean?
37:51 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, this is, this is different than the Schwarzenegger take.
37:54 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_05]: This is, this is about survival.
37:56 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_05]: It's about desperation.
37:57 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_05]: It's about outsmarting.
37:58 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So you don't have to have like these
38:00 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_05]: these grandiose fight scenes, but you can't have that.
38:03 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And you can do action.
38:04 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_05]: You can do car chases.
38:05 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_05]: You can do running.
38:06 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_05]: You can do all of those things.
38:08 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, you don't need you don't need it guys scaling the building the way.
38:12 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that whole sequence was just so ridiculous.
38:15 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So, one tweak to this movie to improve it, I think we're both agree.
38:26 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_02]: You need
38:29 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking the guy in this, like, I think Coleman Domingo, he's in the film.
38:34 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a considerably better actor than Glenn Powell, I think maybe that's your guy.
38:41 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, in fact, I mean, I was kind of looking like everybody that's in this movie alongside, like, Roland would be great.
38:48 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_02]: What is William H. Macy's business in this film?
38:58 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he has a vice, no doubt, of course he has a vice, but these guns bring their own vice.
39:09 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:10 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_05]: The retro torture equipment that they bring with them.
39:14 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's got a black market shop that only does like explosives that he doesn't sell.
39:29 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't sell guns decorative explosives, but he's got three different black market customs that you could do, and not, but he's, I will say that he has, you know, because this business is so lucrative that it might have been a solution to his money policy, because it's going to bring him in his apartment.
39:49 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, well, because they've saved a lot of money, they can hire somebody because they're not buying the expensive mustache adhesive anymore.
39:57 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Also, I love the idea that William H. Macy is such a good friend that he was just holding out for the surprise to tell him that he was going to get him a job that would probably solve all of his problems, but oh, I was a day two late looks like you're condemned to death.
40:14 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_05]: That's why you should be angry Glenn Pal, your friends are dicks.
40:18 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_05]: And also, like,
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, right now, the job market is crazy.
40:24 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I know I have friends that are trying to get work so it's really hard.
40:26 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_05]: So I kind of felt, I empathize them a little bit than I realized, well, dude, you didn't even ask your buddy who's obviously swamped, he needs to help.
40:39 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna ask you, if you're on the run, and you needed a disguise.
40:47 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: What disguise do you think you could pull off?
40:51 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a sort of like almost a Chevy Chase kind of question, right?
40:56 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think that the best disguise and maybe it's is I think it would be whatever it would be to make it look like a homeless person because nobody wants to look at them.
41:04 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I mean, it's impossible.
41:06 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
41:06 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Now the question is could Glenn Powell do that because I feel like I could pull off homeless person pretty easy.
41:12 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I already kind of do.
41:14 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you could, I don't think I look, I don't think I look, I don't think that even if I dress you up, it's just not going to fit, I'm going to look at you and think something's off about that guy, yeah, I does not look like he's unhoused.
41:29 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I could pull it off really easy.
41:31 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_02]: My general state is disheveled.
41:36 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_05]: some reason I'm offended that you don't think I can look homeless.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I don't think you can.
41:40 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like my default position is to shovel your default position is put together.
41:47 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I want a better costume for what kind of disguise is it like, uh, maybe it's just like a, like a weight, like if someone saw you in a wig, they may not recognize you.
41:59 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, especially like a dark wig with a mustache, because I don't think anyone has ever seen you with dark hair in a mustache.
42:06 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That would completely throw them off.
42:08 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I'm Muller wig would do.
42:12 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I could see you with Muller wig.
42:18 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that Michael Sarah was used effectively in this film?
42:22 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Cause I do not.
42:26 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I never laughed at Michael's there.
42:27 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's a very accomplished community actor for whatever reason.
42:34 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not buying him in this role.
42:36 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And he just wasn't fun.
42:39 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_02]: This movie, it's a weird middle ground in that it tries to take itself too seriously at times.
42:48 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the jokes don't land when they're intentional.
42:53 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I can tell that you think that this is funny,
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
42:58 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_05]: It felt like, um, and this is where I'm a little surprised with the egg right, because I think I have to get right is actually very good at balancing humor in the midst of, um, like, maybe high, high stakes or tension, or like, because like with the hot fuses in the, in the shot of the dead.
43:17 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a
43:20 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of a masterclass in like horror or violence or action and mixed in with comedy like self awareness is is kind of like his thing feels like and and if again this feels like maybe this has got like studio I was going to say the same thing fingerprints all over it right where it's like all right well put Microsoft Michael Sarah in there and and like because there's so many trophy things that happen in Michael Sarah's character is
43:49 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_05]: is, you know, it's actually, you know, we're talking about tropes.
43:52 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a sucker for the trope of the, sort of the, the Brainiac conspiracy guy who's got movie traps.
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'm in, I'm in on that.
44:03 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I, it's, I'm kind of a sucker for it.
44:05 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_05]: And the ingredients were there, Michael Sarah, as this guy should have been kind of fun.
44:10 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And I just, like, if it felt restrained.
44:13 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's the thing is like, the movie was restrained
44:19 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_05]: and then it was like over the top when it needed to do nothing.
44:22 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, like, like, like his, his outbursts of anger were perfectly example of just over the top for no beneficial reason.
44:31 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you get guys like, you know, you get really good performances that are still somewhat restrained instead of like, hey, look, if you're going to have Michael Sarah as this guy, you could, you could kind of go a little bonkers with it.
44:44 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_05]: And that could be a really,
44:46 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_05]: fun like like that could be something that like your Ben Richards should be like maybe almost flumixed and frustrated and just like maybe maybe for the first time in this whole experience is in over his head just because of the juxtaposition of this this conspiracy theorist character who's kind of off the wall and it's like that would and just sort of just erupt the whole the whole vibe of the movie you could do that and you just kind of don't and it's just like there's this
45:16 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Completely, it's a complete schmorgasborg of opportunity.
45:20 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like this movie is like, you took an Edgar Wright good idea, and then you put it through the studio factory.
45:30 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And on the other side, what came out was something that has a little bit of Edgar Wright flavor to it, but it's just processed mock.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it feels like.
45:42 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like going up to like a beautiful Thanksgiving day spread and like man, I don't even know where to begin and but everything tastes like a oyster cracker.
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so you mentioned your trope.
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I like a fight in a cock pit of a plane.
46:00 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_05]: That wasn't like I think is there's some good.
46:02 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_05]: There's some fun actions.
46:03 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is.
46:04 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That was good.
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I do like, I do like a, a booby trapped house.
46:10 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I like it when the, when the conspiracy theory guy who's booby trapped his house actually gets little gleeful when, when the big show up.
46:19 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you've been, you've been prepping for so long.
46:21 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_05]: You want us, you know, it's like if you played the game mouse trap and you never turn the handle, you're like, come on, man, we built this thing.
46:27 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_05]: I want to see the guy dive.
46:31 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, tweet cliche.
46:33 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about that, we've talked about tropes.
46:36 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Is the remake of Burning Man better worse or on par with a Ron Howard movie?
46:42 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I would say it is a Howard minus six.
46:47 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think, I'll one hand, I don't know how, maybe action and visuals might, you know, in Howard's hand might reflect a little bit more,
46:59 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_05]: maybe solo, which doesn't maybe have the vibe that this kind of movies looking for, but getting something out of the lead, I think, would be such an improvement that I would I would work with.
47:12 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be hard to imagine.
47:13 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, would be hard to imagine around Howard movie where the lead actor doesn't make you feel something, right?
47:20 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And I would trade an actor in a performance that I cared about over some of the visuals.
47:28 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_02]: if you are a new listener to this podcast and you're wondering what this Howard scale is.
47:33 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, the premise here is that Ron Howard makes good movies.
47:38 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_02]: On the occasion he'll make an Oscar worthy movie, but it's pretty well, he's pretty well known for sort of being like leg average hitter when it comes to movie making.
47:48 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So, then, basically, we very subjectively decide whether or not the movie we just reviewed is properly Howard.
47:58 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Ben with a garden variety, Ron Howard movie, or worse than a garden variety, Ron Howard movie.
48:05 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Steve has just given his rating, which is Howard minus six.
48:10 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say Howard minus four.
48:12 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a low rating, it's not as low as you, but I did
48:16 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_02]: get Edgar Wright vibes at moments in this film, which I liked.
48:23 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, I agree.
48:24 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the production value was really good.
48:26 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_02]: All of the actors around Powell were good.
48:28 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that if it's an action film, and you are not invested in the action hero, it's a fatal flaw.
48:38 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
48:39 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard.
48:40 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard for a movie to recover from that.
48:42 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because when it's like, oh, look, he's back with this
48:46 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of seems like a bummer for them.
48:48 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Steve is, I guess, I guess we can let that go work out in the gym more.
48:58 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.
48:59 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Imagine band Richards, this version of band Richards with FU money.
49:05 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I really watched the beginning of this movie this morning because I just wanted to sort of get back into the vibe of it.
49:11 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: when he's leaving the house to go audition for a game show.
49:15 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is the last ditch effort.
49:19 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We're dead.
49:20 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We are absolutely our daughter might die.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You better deny it.
49:25 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_02]: You better go get Catholic game show.
49:28 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_02]: He's leaving the house and he puts his hand over his heart as if to like,
49:34 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell her, like, you're everything to me?
49:37 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Just the shit-faced grin on his face.
49:40 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, as soon as he puts his hand over his heart, I was like, I hate, I hate, I want her to divorce you.
49:47 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So she can have a better life.
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