Steve and Anthony beat their high score with the Last Starfighter.
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00:19 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome to Properly Hower, a podcast that reviews classic films and other folk fiction.
00:25 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Today we take a look at the 1984 Cop Classic, The Last Starfighter.
00:30 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_07]: Directed by the guy who played Michael Myers in the original Halloween, this movie answers the question, Hand Nero divergent saved the universe.
00:39 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_07]: With me to discuss this film as always is Dr. Anthony LaDon.
00:45 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_08]: You're doing dirty to one of my childhood heroes, Alex Rogan.
00:50 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_08]: Steve sometimes when I'm alone.
00:52 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_08]: I like to imagine a world where even the young attractive women have gray hair and male pattern baldness.
01:05 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_07]: Boy, if I got a movie for you.
01:10 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Because we're all middle-aged men can feel at home, because everyone's got it, man, I mean, yeah, they sure do, um, yeah.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Rhylos.
01:22 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: There's been a big mistake.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We're getting late after a situation report.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Scarfighter Command.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking English.
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're hearing English.
01:32 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to translated advice.
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't got much time.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_02]: The briefing begins immediately.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Join the other recruits.
01:40 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, we talking about recruits.
01:47 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_07]: I believe this.
01:50 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it was, it's so funny how like, repulsive so many of the aliens were, but like, those stood out, even though they were like, mostly human.
01:59 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, the octopus man seemed like, par for the course, but it's like, yeah, and what, and next to him was that,
02:11 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Like I said, this is a place imagined by middle-aged men as a kind of a fantasy.
02:17 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_08]: This is a fantasy.
02:18 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the biggest fantasy of all being that an entire community would rally around one kid doing well on other people.
02:27 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
02:28 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_07]: Keep in mind, these people don't have power and their toilets are actively clogging.
02:33 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_07]: And the reason they are is because he's busy doing hell a good on a game.
02:39 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_08]: So I was thinking a little bit when I watched that, I was like, I always was a little bit taken out by the fact that everyone in L.A. is really into this karate tournament with the karate kid.
02:51 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_08]: Sure, sure.
02:53 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_08]: Like this, this is a big crowd for a karate tournament.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_08]: This movie says, hold my beer.
02:58 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Where you come with less people gathered around for 9-11.
03:08 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, so I watched this movie with my son and the in trouble.
03:15 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah, he was he had just had knee surgery.
03:17 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, all right, and he couldn't move.
03:22 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_08]: And I said, Hey, you might want to watch this with me.
03:26 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_07]: And I love a captive audience.
03:29 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_07]: So you were kind of like Kathy Bates to hit to his James Khan and he's like late out and then you just hoveled him with the last star.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_08]: It's not just that.
03:38 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_08]: it's that he was also on hydrocodon and so oh man that would have helped I didn't even consider hope so let me tell you what barren thought about this movie he said I like the vibe of this movie like as soon as it started off he's like I like the vibe of this movie I didn't I didn't like frame it much you know just like this is a movie I watched a lot when I was a kid a lot in the style jay here for me
04:06 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_08]: And then today he was brought it up again.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, did you like that movie?
04:11 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, well, it's not a great movie, but it's like pure nostalgia for me.
04:18 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, it's a movie that I loved when I was a kid.
04:22 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_08]: And there are still parts of it that are really entertaining to me.
04:30 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_08]: And he said, I liked the look of it.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_08]: He said, it had a good aura.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_08]: He said the movie had a good aura.
04:36 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that may be bringing the meds down or not.
04:43 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_07]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
05:01 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this is, and it's a whole different film.
05:04 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, underneath it, it said movies like this and then it was quite of the navigator.
05:08 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, of course, it's like it, because it is it.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, this is what I wrote down.
05:12 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_07]: And then I remember I had watched this movie and I think this movie was playing, like I was probably like a friend's birthday party and it was one of like the myriad rentals we got on.
05:21 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Like what we would do a lot of times is you would rent a bunch of movies and there'd be the ones that would be like
05:29 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_07]: and then we'd have like police academy for later when the parents would, you know, so we can pause that wheel.
05:34 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_07]: And then, so this was definitely one that was like, I think I started and then like as the movie went on, I'm like, I have no recollection of like, most of what happened after he gets kidnapped, the kidnapped, I look how the guys to pay is like, like the most realistic part of him
06:01 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Why don't we make the whole man out of the two of us and why does he keep on putting on like that other phase like what differences are my I think is it there's something about Navigating space where he doesn't want to be hindered by a human face like he needs his his natural alien life that's and take the human face off like your era amongst all the other things like
06:27 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, why, why, well, he's like, he's a con man picking that he's he's he's a con man and I think that he's sort of an outer space con man and for whatever reason this particular disguise has served him well I wrote down this movie has Tron Terminator and flight of the navigator ET Star Trek enemy mine
06:55 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_08]: all around kind of a Star Wars rip off.
07:00 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and it's a better than any one of the things that you just mentioned.
07:04 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_07]: I love it so much, really.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_07]: Is this beyond nostalgia?
07:09 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Let's be honest, yeah.
07:10 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's not beyond nostalgia.
07:12 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_08]: It is 100% nostalgia, and I acknowledge that, and it still was a jolt cola.
07:21 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_08]: This works for me.
07:26 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's great.
07:27 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_08]: And for whatever reason, it still holds up in my mind, because when I'm watching it, I'm 10 years old here.
07:37 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_08]: Now I still, you know, it's sort of like, is this movie racist, a little bit racist, right?
07:42 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, so there's little bits about that that make me question.
07:46 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_08]: But I do think that I could watch this movie again tonight and enjoy it just as much.
07:56 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, hey, I'm going to watch this and feel free to not, you know, I gave everyone the option and I had this, I gave it a shot and then Abigail's like, well, there's movies going on, she's like, there's just no way with no way on watching if you watched it, she watched it all the way to the to the end.
08:12 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_08]: Can I recommend?
08:13 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Had your codon.
08:15 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, she ended up getting stuck and just watch the whole thing because I think she just couldn't, she couldn't quite figure it out.
08:27 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_07]: is Alex, okay, no, he's not.
08:32 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_07]: The man, like, he reacts to nothing ever.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's fantastic.
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's more charming.
08:39 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's much more charming than Mark Hamill.
08:43 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_07]: I think Mark Hamill knows how to, like, have a facial expression.
08:47 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_08]: He has like three or four facial expressions, and he just silks through them.
08:51 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Alex breathes through his mouth, no matter if he's in a romantic situation.
08:57 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_07]: if he's watching an alien burn to a Chris or if he's an actual android.
09:03 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_07]: The irony of when the android version of him is like trying to figure out how to we moat and I'm like, um, that's what the real thing is.
09:13 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Real out of this is it.
09:14 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_07]: No, how to laugh.
09:15 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_07]: I disagree.
09:16 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_07]: I think he's the best.
09:16 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_07]: You can't.
09:17 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_07]: It's impossible.
09:17 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_07]: It's empirically, uh, uh, factual that the, the, the, the guy.
09:21 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_07]: has, he gets kidnapped and he sits quietly in the car.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_07]: He goes to space, he sits quietly in the car.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_07]: He's watching himself go through hyperspace.
09:28 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_07]: He looks bemused at best.
09:31 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_07]: He lands in a planet where every single thing is an alien.
09:35 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_07]: He can't understand anything.
09:36 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_07]: And he's like, oh, hey, guys, check this out.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_07]: I was just winning a video game.
09:40 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, who are you?
09:42 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_08]: He's my hero.
09:44 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_08]: And I wish that I could react to every situation
09:51 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's charming.
09:53 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_08]: You kind of do, though, and I'm only on half a dose of hydrocodone.
10:02 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_08]: Now, listen, I feel like this actor is charming in a way that I always wish that Mark Hamill was.
10:08 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_08]: I think the interaction he has with the baby in it, or
10:14 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_08]: genuinely funny like I I love to see them interact and I don't usually like Actors playing against themselves like that was kind of one of my big things with sinners It's like this is a perfect movie.
10:27 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_08]: I love this movie.
10:29 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_08]: Could they have gotten?
10:29 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_07]: Could they've gotten Alex from To be the other twin the twin Michael B. Jordan and Alex from last our five Lance guests and Michael B. Jordan and they never mentioned it
10:43 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we assume they're fraternal.
10:46 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_08]: You're making a joke, but you're a genius, you're a genius.
10:52 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_08]: You didn't find Alx Charmin at all.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not that I didn't find Charmin, he didn't do anything.
10:59 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_08]: He just didn't say the universe, my friend.
11:03 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_07]: You sure about that?
11:05 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like it was the CEO from Robocop that did some of the heavy lifting.
11:11 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_08]: The CEO from Robocop, which guys that he's Greg, which of course is short for her Gregory.
11:20 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_08]: That was part of the reason I was thinking, he's not exactly blackface, but he's definitely reptile face.
11:26 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_07]: At one point I referred to him as a circumcised turtle ship.
11:35 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_07]: I love Abigail's like positive, she's like, look, he's a penis.
11:42 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_08]: That would explain the 6 children he has at home.
11:47 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, this movie's all over the map, so I'm allowing myself to go all over the map.
11:51 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_07]: The funniest thing is like Abigail's struggling with so much of what's going on.
11:55 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_07]: And then she's like, she was very vexed by the thing that got me tripped up.
12:01 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_07]: She's like, why is this the thing of all the things that are going on in this movie that you just can't seem to let go?
12:07 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_07]: As Greg starts explaining, you know,
12:12 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_07]: him in Alex's display in the house and he's like just completely, you know, flummics by this concept of a house.
12:19 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_07]: So Alex tries to explain it, but he just refers to it as, as, you know, like a cave above ground.
12:25 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, or you could just refer to it, you know, those buildings we were just in, that's kind of like a house.
12:31 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_07]: They were in space, in a space station.
12:34 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_07]: They actually like had to go get changed into their suits in like a room.
12:38 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Like he'd be like, hey, you know, any one of those things that we were in, that would
12:43 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I was just like, and I was getting so frustrated that like all the sudden now while they're in space in a very advanced piece of of, you know, military hardware, he has to explain to him that a house is an above ground cave and like it's just can't quite seem to get on the same page and like, bro.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we don't know how Greg got there really.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he was there.
13:09 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_07]: He was in a house like structure.
13:12 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, four walls roof, it's not like they was in the cave part of the space station only.
13:18 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_08]: A mobile home is an interesting irony because it doesn't really go anywhere.
13:23 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so to call it a mobile home is a little odd.
13:27 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_08]: It is worth struggling with the paradox of that.
13:31 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_08]: And maybe it takes a conversation with a lizard and outer space to sort of bring home the irony of a mobile home.
13:38 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_07]: Um, when I would, so when we got to the trailer park, the first thing I had was this was supposed to be post a back elliptic.
13:44 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Is this after like a space wars that we're seeing or who is this a trailer park?
13:49 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_07]: This is their camping.
13:51 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, well, no, she's built a little makeshift fence and then it was a trailer park and I'm like, huh.
14:01 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm getting a hot and bothered about talking about trailer parks.
14:06 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, do we know why the pickup truck at an old time I uga a horn?
14:12 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_08]: Because that's the only horn that that truck should have.
14:16 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_08]: This is the only sound effect that they could afford.
14:19 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_08]: So Steve, this movie was was our punishment.
14:25 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_07]: I chose blowout and I had seen blowout and you had seen blowout and I then I picked nighthawks as sort of a try to Hey, and I just want that I should have taken guess what we're already seeing a theme developed for the newlywed season Katherine Mary Stewart mags maggy the love interest
14:50 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_08]: who you might recognize from weekend of Bernie's of course.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_08]: I definitely recognized from days of our lives.
14:59 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah, sis, sis.
15:00 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_08]: She was Kayla and days of our lives.
15:02 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_08]: I watched a lot of days of our lives back in the day.
15:05 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_08]: As the day, she is also in night hocks.
15:09 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, is that right?
15:10 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so I'm looking forward to that.
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Wonderful.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's all connected in that round.
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15:36 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I grew up on a farm, very, very rural Iowa.
15:40 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It was some time in the late 80s.
15:44 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We finally got a satellite television, the big dish in the yard.
15:50 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And that really opened up kind of a whole world to movies at that point.
15:54 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And that it was around that time.
15:56 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw, you know, Star Wars, Tron, right, back to the future, Top Gun, sure.
16:03 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And this movie takes elements and themes from all those movies.
16:07 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And distills it down into something that, you know, my eight to ten year old self.
16:12 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
16:13 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And particularly magical.
16:14 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
16:15 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_08]: So what did you have in common with protagonist Alex Rogan at that time?
16:21 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the theme, you know, there's a heavy element of escapism right in this movie, which I think I really related to and still do, you know, I'm still waiting to be recruited by a centauri.
16:39 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a shooting galactic head hunter who takes me away to give me a reptilian sidekick.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_08]: Fantastic.
16:49 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And when Stephen and I discussed this film, are there any particular themes you would like us to focus on or address, you know, I think for me it's just where this fits into all those different, you know, cross sections of the themes of those movies that I mentioned.
17:06 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:06 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the special effects and where that fits in.
17:11 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It was one of those things that I hadn't watched for about 25 years.
17:15 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I sat down with, you know, with this
17:18 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: with my son who is now 10 to try to introduce him to this and how did that go over?
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that fell a little bit flat unfortunately.
17:28 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Because the visual effects don't hold up or I think that was a lot of it.
17:32 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think visually it's compared to everything that 10 year olds have been exposed to today.
17:38 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: A little lackluster in comparison, but for me it was all the magic was still there and having listened.
17:47 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: to all of your podcasts and the movies you guys cover, I was, that's what spurred me to suggest it.
17:53 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, was very happy that it was something that resonated with.
17:58 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Very cool.
17:59 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, this is right up our alley.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_08]: So Steve, I had a nice long conversation with Nate.
18:07 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_08]: I was just part of it.
18:09 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_08]: And,
18:10 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_08]: I would just say, he's a great guy, I think we genuinely be hit it off.
18:16 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_08]: We became pretty good friends.
18:18 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if he's, I wouldn't call my best friend now.
18:24 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, Sarah's kind of like my best friend.
18:27 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't think he'd want you to do that quite a bit.
18:30 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_08]: I would say he needs probably in top two, top two for me now.
18:35 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_08]: OK.
18:36 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_08]: It was just a, it was a nice way to get to know a middle-aged man in a way that I'd never, never really had the opportunity before.
18:44 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_08]: We just really hit it off.
18:47 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, cool.
18:49 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_07]: You guys got to do podcast?
18:50 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_08]: I was just thinking like, if ever, you know, if ever properly Howard falls through, which, you know, let's, let's be honest, probably will at some point.
19:00 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Every episode, it feels like it's just on the verge.
19:04 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think Nate and I could easily, you know, jump on to films like last star fighter and have a good time with them.
19:11 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and to be clear, Nate, no, no disrespect, having only watched this all the way through for the first time, just recently, you know, maybe I need to let it wash over me a little bit.
19:22 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we are like, I mean, this morning, my daughter and I agreed to each other by saying
19:33 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_07]: Man, I loved, I loved his, he's like, oh, it's a Zando Zandosan.
19:36 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_08]: I laughed really hard when a Zando Zandosan.
19:39 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I will say this.
19:42 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_08]: Nate, as part of Steve's initial excitement about this film, was misplaced, he did think it was flight of an avid year.
19:51 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_08]: Which I'm not sure that I would like that much, but honestly, that movie is not nearly as nostalgic as this movie.
19:58 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry.
19:58 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, see, and I would have had some nostalgia,
20:01 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_07]: not that I would have nested.
20:02 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_07]: So I would have been probably me trying to justify to you why this movie is actually better than what you're telling.
20:09 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_07]: Because I think like it's a kid that flies around on a shiny butt plug or something.
20:13 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I don't exactly know where it's, but there's like a robot.
20:17 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_07]: And so this was I was having a hard time understanding what was robots and what was not.
20:20 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm really confused as to why the Zando Zan shows up at the trailer park looking like a dude,
20:28 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_07]: He's in disguise and he's in disguise.
20:31 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah, so why did he get rid of the design?
20:34 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_08]: He did not.
20:35 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_08]: This was, no, the machine.
20:37 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_08]: This is the brilliance of Centauri.
20:40 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_08]: That machine does a number of things.
20:43 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_08]: And one of the things that the machine does is it recognizes, reveals the Xander reveals.
20:48 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_08]: It's the Xander's Xander's Xander, a revealing model.
20:53 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_08]: And it was sort of a, it was meant for Las Vegas.
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_08]: So you can understand.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, there was I've been I don't know.
21:01 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know you don't really do Vegas.
21:02 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_07]: I've found Vegas a few times Depending on the time of year just rotten with Zandozans Zandozans It's amazing.
21:10 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like they have like like they actually have their own cars, which I think is a little weird Whatever Then I'm like, no, man, I'm in disguise and they're like oh, yeah, and I give them a stand in front of the video game and if I still look like me They kick me out Let's talk about the special effects
21:26 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_08]: So I watched a little, I would say, a half an hour of a documentary on the making of this film this morning.
21:34 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_08]: I just want to get your impression of, I mean, clearly this is sort of early stage CGI stuff.
21:41 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_08]: And I kind of, for me it's like part of the charm of the film, but tell me how you experience this.
21:50 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Here's what's interesting is that the effects here is 84.
21:56 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_07]: I was actually kind of impressed not that I felt like I was like the computer like a CGI was like was like convincing that this was actually happening right like that part was not but I was actually kind of impressed just with kind of the quality of it in terms of I didn't know that that that type of stuff was was going on.
22:16 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_07]: Back then, long or man is very similar and that's like almost that's like eight years later right like you know it might even be better than
22:25 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_07]: and that was like a big deal in lawnmower man came out and like the tight-moves computer effects that were being done like the VR type approach.
22:33 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_07]: So I was actually kind of like, oh, that's not so bad, but yeah, it's not, it's like they're in a cartoon.
22:41 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_08]: It's a little bit like they've gone into the video game.
22:44 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's like the graphics of the video game are almost more believable than the actual outer space.
22:52 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Right, and that's kind of where Tron comes in, where the concept might have even been maybe a little bit more intriguing if he had been in the video again, like because then you could then those graphics make a lot of sense, but you could still maybe be fighting battle virtually like like there's maybe an opportunity there that so that way you're not taking out every single time the, you get into space.
23:14 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but it didn't mind it and it was nice to watch it like an HD on like kind of a bigger screen because for sure did not I'm for sure Watched on VHS on a on a on a who knows what size tube screen.
23:24 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_07]: So it was kind of I mean it was at least it was okay to look at Heather Astrophymovie was almost too dry and if she would prefer it be a little sweatier Um, and she just said she's like no, Centauri was sweaty enough for me All right, I guess the effects and I've just learned this this this morning
23:44 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_08]: This is the first film that tried to do entire scenes completely with CGI.
23:51 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_08]: So it's interesting to me because I feel like the fact that they're using models for a new hope and Empire Strikes Back.
24:01 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like those films hold up better because they're using something more low tech.
24:08 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and practical effects because
24:12 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_07]: Especially like early, especially if you're talking 80s, even if the practical effects are clearly effects, because they still feel in the same dimension as the actors, I think it works a little bit better.
24:27 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_07]: Like the thing, like the effects are pretty amazing.
24:30 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_07]: You kind of know that like these are even more amazing for the time, but it's clearly like that's an effect, but because of
24:38 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_07]: I think that you don't lose the tension of those scenes.
24:44 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_07]: So I do think that this is not just the quality of the CGI, but it's sort of understanding how to interact with it in a film where they weren't there yet, in 84.
24:56 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_08]: There weren't there yet, maybe four.
24:57 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_08]: And yet, this movie is kind of important for the history of movie making.
25:02 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, this movie anticipates almost every Marvel movie.
25:08 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_08]: This movie, because you do have, you do have practical aliens, you do have like the Zandozans are, you know, they're masks basically, um, but you know those Zandozans.
25:20 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the Captain Clitoris was a mask.
25:23 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_07]: How do you know that?
25:23 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's a great question.
25:24 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't really want to know if it was.
25:28 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_07]: So, uh, but I'm not going to search it because I can't
25:34 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_08]: uh... the all of the scenes in space exist only digitally and this is the first film to do that's not so bad right because then you know that because you kind of forgive that if it were trying to blend the two i think it would been really hard it's a yes right i think that's that's the the major difference is that clearly these do not hold up and i think that this is what dates to movie the most and yet it's interesting to me that it almost anticipates
26:04 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_08]: what movie making is going to become 25 years later.
26:10 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Because they're trying to do something on the cutting edge, it doesn't hold up as well as the effects of the old-timey practical effects of Star Wars.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_08]: So there's a little irony.
26:23 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
26:25 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so here's the thing is I'm going to continue to kind of crap on this movie a little bit.
26:31 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_07]: I enjoyed the experience I would I would probably watch it again.
26:34 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean I have to do it alone but but I would because I think that there's I mean it's it's I did have a couple like I had some Howard the Duckish moments yeah where it was like who is this for you know what I mean because it was absolutely for me it was this when I watch this movie because I probably watch this movie 10 times as a kid
27:00 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_08]: uh, never sort of start to finish.
27:02 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_08]: It was always kind of on television or something, but when I watched it, every single thing worked.
27:11 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_08]: It's like the the beta unit before he's fully formed.
27:15 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_08]: I was just
27:16 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_07]: That was gross.
27:17 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_07]: So it fully grossed out.
27:18 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like Abigail was like, she was like, she's like, we get it.
27:21 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Make it, don't do it anymore.
27:22 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_07]: Ha ha ha.
27:23 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_08]: I thought, you know, I was, I did a jump scare when Santara turned around with his alien face.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Like all the scenes in our space for me, I couldn't tell any difference between that and Star Wars.
27:36 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_08]: So for me, I was fully invested in the movie as a 10 year old.
27:41 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_08]: This movie is for 10 year old me.
27:44 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_08]: There's no question about that.
27:47 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, because that's the thing, it's like there were moments that were like all the sudden kind of like teenage sex type stuff.
27:53 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, which seemed a little bit like as I'm like, well, it first I'm like, this is for sure a movie for for kids that, you know, are tired of having their parents tell them that, you know, video games are going to are always the time.
28:05 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_07]: And so they've created an alternate universe where like just the idea of one person playing a video game is the best thing of
28:14 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_07]: community like that one maybe there isn't a whole lot going on in the considering that's like the only thing that works in the entire place is this really amazing video game so you know gather round all you people you know so if that one that's one i'm like okay this is written by seven year olds for seven year olds that's fine but then there's like you get to these uh
28:32 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_07]: make out scenes that are more than make out scenes.
28:35 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, they are, you know, it is, well, you got, you got Lewis looking at playboy, you've got Lewis, you just got a potty mouth.
28:45 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, clearly, yeah, he needs to.
28:49 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_08]: He needs a little discipline.
28:50 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_08]: I used to have that little dark gun, the spring loaded dark gun.
28:54 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah, oh yeah, those things were like legitimately dangerous, sort of before nerfed guns, and if you shot someone in the face of those things, it was going to be a problem.
29:06 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_08]: So they were supposed to have little suction cups on the end, which, yeah, they'd barely did anything.
29:12 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we'd take the suction cups off, so they didn't really work as suction cups, as well as you think that they might.
29:18 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_08]: They absolutely worked as bullets.
29:20 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the suction cup just sort of maybe gave a couple of others the spots on the face to hurt.
29:28 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_08]: I want to talk about Robert Preston.
29:32 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_08]: I was a huge fan of the music man as a kid.
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_08]: I used to watch and rewatch the music man.
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_08]: As a child, I don't know.
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_08]: I wasn't really into musicals, but the music man did it for me.
29:47 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So you can't pass yourself up as a music professor for four weeks.
29:50 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't read a note of music.
29:52 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I now have a revolutionary new method called the Think System.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you don't bother with notes.
29:56 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_03]: My boy, someday reading music is going to be absolutely obsolete.
30:02 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I hope that soon, cause in four weeks, these people are going to want to hear some music.
30:05 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
30:06 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_03]: But when the uniforms arrive, they forget everything else.
30:09 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_03]: At least long enough for me to collect and leave.
30:12 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is a refined operation, son.
30:14 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And I've got a time right down to the last wave of the breakman's hand on the last train out of town.
30:20 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_08]: And it was kind of the first movie that portrayed a congerced, and I still love movies about congerced.
30:29 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_08]: I can't really say con artist very well, but I do like what he's about now.
30:35 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_08]: And he's, you know, fast talking, very charismatic, fast talking, Broadway star who was in the music band, the the film like version of the music band.
30:50 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_08]: And I watched him over and over and over and I just fell in love with this guy and I think
30:57 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think he's perfect.
30:59 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, out of outer space, con man who invents video games and looks like he should be your great-grandfather.
31:09 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_08]: I love Robert Preston.
31:10 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he definitely had it an old timey love boat delivery.
31:21 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I think you could, if you were going to come up with an elevator pitch for this movie, it'd be like old men mess with the Alex.
31:33 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_07]: Like there's just all these old men in this movie that are, yeah, it was odd they've have like to pick a hurley he to play.
31:42 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_08]: I pick a hurley he to play Greek.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a great question.
31:50 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like it feels like that guy's based on enemy mine actually enemy mine comes out a year later But the question is when did it start so this one this inspired enemy mine?
32:00 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right?
32:01 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Not amazing to think oh, we could we need to make a You know a more dramatic period.
32:06 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_08]: You're telling me that penis face lives in a cave.
32:08 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Let's do an entire movie about that Yeah, why did you had the biggest 65-year-old who was clearly struggling with the makeup his eyes were so impossibly red that
32:18 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_07]: suit was destroying his face.
32:21 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_07]: And by the way, you know what is not a catchphrase?
32:25 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_07]: That's not a catchphrase.
32:26 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_07]: You don't have to stop and like, and focus on him going every time something happens.
32:31 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_08]: Greg brings me much joy.
32:33 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_08]: I think I think he's legitimately funny.
32:36 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_07]: I knew it was Dan.
32:37 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_07]: I knew who he was.
32:39 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_07]: I had to look him up.
32:40 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and I'm like, look at I'm looking at him and I'm like, man, where do I know this guy from?
32:43 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, oh man, that's
32:47 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_08]: I like the idea of a guy having a septer that's also a switchblade.
32:52 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_07]: That's the way having a refer to it.
32:54 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_07]: Ooh, his septer got a little bigger.
32:59 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_07]: It's already covered in knives.
33:02 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_07]: And then a slightly, slightly bigger knife pops out the top.
33:06 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, well, I didn't realize we were dealing with the badass here.
33:10 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_08]: But dude says it takes more than a septer to command an armada.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_08]: is like, I know.
33:16 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_08]: It's also a switch played.
33:19 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't even know.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_08]: I have you seen this.
33:29 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_08]: Sports rotters.
33:29 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_08]: This is an example of a movie without mythology.
33:32 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_08]: It's one of the things where you go back and watch Star Wars, and it's just laughably bad at parts, but you love it for the nostalgia, and then you realize,
33:42 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_08]: No, this is like legitimately brilliant.
33:47 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_08]: This is genius.
33:48 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_08]: There are parts of Star Wars, like for instance, the score is brilliant.
33:53 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_08]: Han Solo is brilliant.
33:56 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_08]: The Cantina scene is brilliant.
34:00 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_08]: In addition to sort of all the kind of the hookingness, the plot holes, and the problems with Star Wars, underlying Star Wars is this awesome mythology.
34:13 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_08]: it's a galactically conceived mythology.
34:18 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_08]: It's an aspect of moviemaking history that you just have to tip your cap to.
34:23 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_08]: For all of the weirdness of Star Wars and for all the ways that Star Wars isn't hold up, it is an achievement in moviemaking history because of the mythology.
34:32 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_08]: This is an example of a movie that just doesn't have that.
34:36 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_08]: There's no underlying mythology to this movie,
34:40 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_08]: Hmm, you know, I love it for nostalgia, but it kind of, it's superficial.
34:45 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, it kind of taps into this idea, like, wouldn't it be cool if a video game made you an elite galactic star fighter, you know, which is, it's a, it's a kind of a cool concept.
34:59 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_08]: And especially if you're aiming at this, it's a 10 year old boy, so whatever.
35:03 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_08]: But what separates Star Wars from this movie that Lucas just painstakingly built a world.
35:12 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_08]: And this movie really has no intention to do anything like that.
35:16 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_07]: Right, I mean, there's a couple of like really painstaking moments of exposition like to try to wonder what you kind of know what's at stake.
35:25 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_07]: And then there's another one where he's been instructed on how the
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_07]: the Starship Works, and I'm like, dude, nobody can.
35:32 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_08]: I like the ego, nobody can.
35:34 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_08]: He goes into the, you know, clearly it's a debriefing meant for the elite Starfighters of the Universe.
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_08]: And the little speech that's being given is just the history of the conflict.
35:45 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm Sikou, our ancestors created our great frontier, a barrier of energy.
35:52 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And certainly the peaceful systems of the universe.
35:57 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: forever setting out the spirit that next be on.
36:03 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Rylands.
36:05 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Because of a dark betrayal, our frontier will soon collapse.
36:10 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_08]: which it turns out that it's your son, man.
36:12 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, very in the lead there, bro.
36:14 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_08]: We're in this mess because you're just a crappy father.
36:18 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
36:19 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
36:19 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_08]: So I guess, you know, I shouldn't say that there's zero mythology.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_08]: I like the idea that this is a world with advanced beta units.
36:26 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I think that this movie, one, one of the ways that makes it unique from Star Wars.
36:31 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_08]: And there aren't many, you know, there aren't many things in this movie that aren't a rip off.
36:37 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_08]: But I like the beta unit.
36:39 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_08]: For me, that continues to be like, kind of a cool idea.
36:42 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and there's a life on this earth, and then there's this, and then you can kind of go back and forth.
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_07]: So that's a little different.
36:50 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_07]: There's just a lot in this movie that doesn't need to happen, but it for sure does happen.
36:59 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_08]: The baby and it's not great at romance, all right.
37:01 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_08]: So I like the idea that they're at silver like and he's trying to mimic You know the the conversation that's going off going on like 50 feet away and It's not working and then he finally says, all right fine.
37:16 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a robot, you know, it's just like Look, there's a reason why I'm not good at romance and the reason is I'm a robot
37:26 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_08]: And then if they don't even wait, it's not like there's not even a conversation like, we'll prove it to me.
37:32 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_08]: There's nothing like that.
37:33 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_08]: It's like immediately get shot in the stomach.
37:35 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, see?
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_08]: I thought that was well conceived.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_08]: I quite like that.
37:43 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I was going to ask you this later.
37:45 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, but I'll ask you now.
37:48 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_08]: We just covered a remake that did not need to happen, right?
37:52 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_08]: Don't you think that this movie needs a remake?
37:57 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_07]: How do you do it?
37:58 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_07]: Video game culture being sort of on the rise as opposed to like a main staple of life to me, it makes a difference that it's 84.
38:08 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_07]: To, I don't, I mean, I don't, I actually really like the idea of that like a video game is really a recruiting tool.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_07]: So you can for sure do that.
38:19 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_07]: I almost wonder if this movie, if you remade it but remade it
38:27 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_08]: I like that.
38:28 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because I think that's one of the things that a lot of these like remakes do wrong is they try to take something that is they try to update and it's like, well, let's update this thing and then you're like, well, some of the only things that made it work was because of when it happened and and maybe there's an opportunity there to have some fighting, you know, I kind of surprise we haven't seen more of that after stranger things, right, there's, I mean, stranger things does a really, you know, an amazing job of telling
38:54 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_07]: like using modern-day storytelling against a backdrop where, you know, by putting it in 84, you've got no cell phone, so things are so much easier to, you know, there's things you can't side step, right?
39:07 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_07]: And, I mean, but like in this one, it's interesting how it's like, all right, it goes to space, it doesn't phase them.
39:15 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_07]: He wants to come back, it almost twice the almost comes back and then it's like, he gets kind of negged into understanding, yeah.
39:23 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_07]: And then he comes back and he just tells his mom dooses.
39:26 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm a space student now.
39:28 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_08]: I look at when he's finally leaving earth.
39:29 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, see you later, mom.
39:32 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_07]: Got to go mad.
39:33 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_07]: That was like such such an afterthought.
39:36 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_07]: And can we talk about, what was the little boy's name again?
39:38 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's Lewis.
39:40 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, why?
39:41 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_07]: Why did he have to pull on Greg's gun the way he did?
39:47 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_07]: We watched that a couple times.
39:48 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, well, that was a muscle memory there.
39:50 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Chief.
39:53 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to talk about that with you.
39:55 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't like that at all.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I'm never going to watch that scene the same way again now.
40:08 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_08]: I can't believe that that might be good.
40:10 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because of whoa.
40:12 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, great.
40:15 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_07]: I love that.
40:16 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_07]: The first thing I'm going to be seeing Alex coming on the scene.
40:18 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_07]: I think the reaction was this is the guy.
40:22 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_07]: This is the start.
40:23 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_08]: like yeah this guy was like voted in high school most likely to become a sitcom immediately when I saw him it thought this guy's 10 times better than my channel I don't know why this guy's in the superstar this guy should have been this guy should have been this guy should have been Tom Hanks I love this guy I love that you love Lance gas you love Lance gas gas what else is Lance gas ever been in so yeah I I looked at a few of the actually I was I was more taken by the
40:54 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_07]: Nick Castle, did Nick Castle, his claim to fame, originally was he played Michael Myers in the original home.
41:03 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right.
41:05 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know idea, paid $25 a day.
41:10 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Fantastic.
41:12 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_07]: I was going to any co-wrote escape from New York.
41:16 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_07]: Did he really?
41:17 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_07]: And he performs in as part of the band, the coupe
41:26 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Speaking of which, any made boy, you got new ink.
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Can you give us an update on your new ink?
41:33 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, now I have, right under my teen wolf and kind of a budding, the touchy prop is the poor chop express, you know, pig and logo that you would see on Jack Burton's track.
41:57 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_08]: pretty good.
41:57 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_08]: You were kind of circling this one for a long time.
42:00 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was one.
42:01 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_07]: So I've been to, you know, it's one of those ones where it's like, I don't know how much I want to go out of my way for this, but I definitely would like to get it.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_07]: And so this kind of had like has like convention tattoo kind of written over, right?
42:15 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_07]: And I've been to conventions where like someone's had like kind of a version of it in there like the little book for like
42:25 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_07]: some of the versions, I give it like, I don't freehand it, like just make the regular thing, you know?
42:30 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_07]: And so I was at this convention with the buddy of mine and my wife and we just, like one of the first booze we walked to, we just like were satin people up and my buddy said, what do you think you wanna get?
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, oh, I'd love to get a poor shop express.
42:46 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_07]: And so they're tattoo artists, and I'm gonna go back and forth with the quotes from the movie.
42:50 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_07]: The younger guy is like, what is this for a shop experience?
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_07]: I've heard of it.
42:56 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I've never really seen it and he starts scrolling on his phone and he goes, wait, you want this?
43:00 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_07]: I need to show me the Port Shop Express animal.
43:03 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he's like, can I do that for you today?
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_07]: No, all right, let's go.
43:07 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and he's like, he's like, give me 10 minutes.
43:09 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to get the stencil.
43:10 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_08]: Fantastic.
43:12 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I'll be honest, I was surprised that this wasn't your first tattoo.
43:17 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no fans.
43:19 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, because it's because it is kind of a logo because it's meaningful to you.
43:23 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_08]: It looks like it belongs in kind of a prominent like bicep kind of location.
43:33 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.
43:34 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, because of your previous tattoos, do you feel like you're on your way to like the full sleeve?
43:45 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, the way that he positioned this, it looked, it kind of, it was, it's pretty wild how it, it really fit.
43:54 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_07]: And suddenly this, like, okay, that like, it starts to become like, like, now we're currently creating the jigsaw.
44:00 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_08]: It, you, you're definitely have the collage thing happening.
44:05 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, I mean, it just doesn't feel like it's going away.
44:08 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_08]: This, this feels like this is a new hobby.
44:12 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_08]: And I wonder if I'm not like, are you going to go?
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Can you do the full sleeve?
44:20 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_07]: I think so, I had there was really pleased that I finally got one that shows up under, or you could see it underneath, like a short signature, because some of the other ones are sort of obscured, because she's like, you know, you got these pretty cool tattoos that, but you don't wear tank tops over kind of in this, who's this four?
44:37 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, it's for me.
44:38 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, but yeah, I definitely, I have, I mean, look, maybe it's just, it's just, this is, this is her way of saying I would like to see you in Tinctops more.
44:49 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_07]: It could be, it could be, um, that's, that's a pretty controversial stance then.
45:01 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Steve, is this movie, does movie have a, a tropical cliché or a device that you enjoyed?
45:08 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_07]: I see he just hears where you're in a different, I actually like it when there's two versions of a person.
45:14 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you like, like, whether it's a clone or robot or, you know, or like a future version or I always kind of enjoy that.
45:22 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_08]: For some reason, this one, I think this is sort of like the standout element of the movie.
45:27 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_08]: I like that the beta unit is actually more goofy than the real guy, like the real guy is more serious.
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's the thing that's interesting.
45:39 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, because I'm like, we're, why can't he act like that as Alex?
45:44 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_07]: Because Alex is just doesn't, he never, like, when they made the beta unit, they forgot to like program them to have ass burgers.
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_08]: You and I have much different impressions of Alex.
45:58 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's very charming.
45:59 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like he's got aspirations.
46:02 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't want to be stuck in the Starlight trailer court forever.
46:07 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_07]: Starlight Starbright trailer court.
46:09 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_08]: That place has a sign that looks like it should be on the front of a bowling alley.
46:14 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_08]: This is no place to live.
46:16 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_08]: He's got an unbelievably hot girlfriend, so there's that.
46:21 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_08]: But if you could have that end be intergalactic hero,
46:26 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_07]: Why not have both this, but I like how he comes back from space and by the way, hey, effects guys, you don't have to make the tube thing that brings them down that long.
46:40 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_07]: Have you heard of an edit because it was like he's just coming down that thing forever.
46:48 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Like part of the reason why I didn't have enough time to say goodbye to his mom proper is because well, it's going to take me 12 minutes to get back into the shift.
46:54 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_07]: This is what we call a dramatic entrance.
46:58 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you know that Lance, not Lance Gas, but a Nick Castle, in addition to being the Michael Myers.
47:06 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_07]: He co-wrote Escape from New York, is his co-wrote skate town, USA.
47:11 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_07]: He directed Tag, the last star fighter, the boy who could fly, tap.
47:16 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_07]: He was replaced as the director for hook by Steven Spielberg.
47:22 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_08]: He's the guy that decided I'm gonna bring in full CGI scenes into my science fiction movie.
47:30 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think you did any more CGI movies after either, which is kind of an unheralded hero of Hollywood in a castle.
47:34 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, also he did not direct it or write it, but he came up with a concept for a specific episode of Mama's Family.
47:38 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_07]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
47:54 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_08]: that's how why don't you lead with that if you listen to this and you're not familiar with mama's family you didn't just do a quick search get familiar familiar yourself with the with Naomi and company um my trope that I like is I
48:24 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_08]: It seems very 80s.
48:28 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_08]: That was a suicide mission.
48:29 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_08]: I think so, yeah, yeah, unfortunately.
48:35 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_08]: This is movie better worse, or on par with a Ron Howard movie.
48:39 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_07]: We'll give it a Howard minus three.
48:42 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because I do think, I think at one point as a director, Howard would say to Lance guest,
48:54 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_07]: an alien for the first time.
48:56 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe react.
49:01 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Let me ask you a question that is meant to undermine your answer.
49:09 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_08]: If I came to your house and I asked you, would you read, would you rather watch solo or the last star fighter?
49:17 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_08]: What would you choose?
49:18 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_08]: I probably picked solo.
49:19 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, okay.
49:20 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, all right, I'll allow the, I actually, I actually like, okay, I will allow the Howard minus 3 in that case.
49:28 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_08]: I think spiritually for me, this is properly Howard.
49:31 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_08]: I think that if I was going to eliminate the nostalgia and sort of the movie, you know, the movie history elements of this that, you know, cause me to enjoy it.
49:45 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_08]: Probably, probably Howard minus 2.
49:49 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_07]: So we're in the same range, we've got to, which makes sense, because I mean, I don't have the nostalgia aspect of it, you know.
49:58 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_07]: Here we go.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_07]: There you go.
50:00 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_08]: Steve, what are we gonna cover next?
50:06 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_07]: According to our schedule, we are going to watch Sam Ramey's Dark Man.
50:13 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_08]: Sam Ramey's Dark Man next, so people can look forward to that.
50:20 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_08]: a half about a one-to-girl-one moment.
50:24 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_08]: Program your betas to laugh.
50:28 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.
50:29 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_08]: I'd say, a bay unit should be a little bit more compatible with human saliva.
50:39 --> 50:40 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
50:40 --> 50:40 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
50:40 --> 50:40 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
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51:42 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_07]: I can't find.