Steve and Anthony tie a bow on the first season of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
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00:19 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Properly Howard Listeners, even I wrap up the first season of the Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
00:27 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We consider listener feedback, but in reality, see when I basically talk through the entire episode, because it is the first time we've talked about the episode together.
00:36 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Boyo, boy, do I love this show?
00:39 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait for season two.
00:40 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, next week, in preparation for next week, Sivai will be talking the running man.
00:47 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Both of us went ahead and watched the original with Swartz and Eggher, so we talk about the original quite a bit before we consider the Glenn Powell remake.
00:56 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, you don't need to do any homework to appreciate this podcast, but if you want to watch the running man, we will be covering both the original and the remake next week.
01:07 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: My thanks to Nancy who served as producer, my thanks to David and John Alisha from the lorehounds.
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01:20 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here's your friend in mind, Steve Osborne.
01:25 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So Steve, this is our wrap-up on, yeah, that's seven kingdoms, four season one, before we jump into our next season of properly Howard.
01:38 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We have not talked about the season finale, no, I feel like I've done four podcasts, but this is already.
01:48 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of just want to chat about the episode with you.
01:50 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We do have some listener feedback, but we'll get to that in due course.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me start off by saying this.
01:58 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: This show is almost shouting at me not to take Western seriously.
02:02 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like every time I turn the page on this show, it's telling me, like this is just for fun.
02:10 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna poop at you, we're gonna barfe you, we're gonna giant penis you.
02:16 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to play jazz music at the beginning and, you know, a song from the 1940s at the end.
02:23 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be an agronistic, don't take any of this series, this is just for fun.
02:29 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, I can't help myself.
02:32 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I feel like this is, I, I'm enjoying the show so much that I can't help but think this is just really great television.
02:43 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And because it's so good, I, it makes me want to take it more seriously.
02:49 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So do you find your at odds with yourself?
02:51 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I feel like, like, here's what I was thinking specifically, because I think maybe this is the way to end.
02:58 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The intro music and the outro music has caused people a lot of consternation.
03:04 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how you took it, but like, you know, these are 20th century American advance, right?
03:13 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
03:13 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I don't know how you're, I mean, we, you want to get into this.
03:17 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like, I think, especially after the what we just saw, you know, the last episode and how kind of like, yeah, I kind of talked about how like a relentless it was and how sometimes I was in patient with how much just brutal violence and yeah, and the heavy handedness of all that to
03:43 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, now I'm actually having a moment where I'm like, wait, do they always use different types of music?
03:53 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm thinking about the music, you know, now I'm not thinking now, so the criticism, I'm not in West
04:10 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: the show.
04:11 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking about you've gone to a meta level that me, he doesn't, doesn't ease you into the show and the way the other episodes have.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's the criticism.
04:22 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The the other side of it is I was like, oh, good.
04:27 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
04:27 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I like this.
04:28 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:28 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a very interesting spot to be in because
04:32 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the choice was made in the last two episodes or maybe like one episode and a little bit more, you know, because you've got the way as his plea to the crowd, of course, it's interrupted by a fart and then it continues and then so so that feels like from that moment to the end of episode five, you're like, well, maybe this is the turn we're taking, yeah.
04:58 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but we returned back to some degree and then we kind of have this whole episode sort of a combo.
05:05 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It almost feels like I now expect any any future seasons to feel like episode six.
05:13 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like episode six sort of did it like puts it all together.
05:16 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's jazz.
05:17 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_00]: There's there's urination.
05:20 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There's, you know, heavy concepts to deal with, but it all, it all works, right?
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it all works.
05:27 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, um, like, are you either kind of guy that will check out a fusion menu restaurant?
05:36 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
05:37 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
05:38 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it turns people off.
05:39 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it is my opinion that I don't want to know what's fusion.
05:44 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if someone was like, yeah, we're going to do like, um, you know, American Asian fusion restaurant.
05:50 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to think
05:51 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know, I either want American done really well or I want a specific region of China done really well or you know, I want, I want, give me a classic menu, that's my, that's my jam, right?
06:08 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But then if you serve me something and I'd be like,
06:11 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
06:12 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've ever had this with a lime flavor and someone's there.
06:16 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
06:16 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's part of the menu.
06:18 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to fuse A and B together.
06:21 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm like, I'm happily surprised.
06:25 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:27 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of was happily surprised by this.
06:29 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:30 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it did back to your point.
06:31 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea of somebody says, hey, this is a fusion place.
06:34 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I would rather you just make food.
06:37 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: and allow it to be influenced, you know, as opposed to being like, no, no, this is what we're doing because then it's sort of, now you know, everything you're going to get has to be fused and like, well, maybe not everything needs to be fused, like I heard, your your point is you'd rather be surprised by the French fry in your burrito.
06:53 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I want to be surprised and think I've never thought of this until just this minute and it's working for me What a great experience because I think that it's the anticipation like if you were going to go into this episode like we're gonna do something in best rows But you know wait and see because we're gonna bring in some clever modern elements into it I'd be like
07:17 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't don't don't do that to me.
07:20 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't want wasabi in my ice cream.
07:22 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think I was happily surprised by the jazz music.
07:28 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I laughed immediately.
07:30 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not expecting it and then the end which I was not expecting because there was a plot twist that is not in the novella
07:39 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, the old kind of blue collar song with a, like a blues undertone, but, you know, sort of commentary on the exploitation of 19th century workers, that song absolutely brings me back to Jovers of the volcano, that is the opening song to Jovers of the volcano.
08:00 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: A movie that is not a great movie, a movie that I love to death.
08:05 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And it just brought this massive grinder my face.
08:09 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought this is perfect.
08:11 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing blue collar westeros.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This is perfect, right?
08:15 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:15 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's an intention.
08:16 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the showrunner is intentionally being an agronistic as long as he knows that that's the case.
08:24 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm on board because that means that he's considered it.
08:28 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And he thought this was the right choice.
08:30 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I also, and I that think that's a great.
08:33 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: way to sort of, you know, frame it, right, the blue collar concept, but I also think that even you could do that in a number of ways, you could also just do it without having to call attention to it.
08:42 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But by calling it, by by bringing that song in right after, you know, kind of an integral plot twist.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, it's not in the novella.
08:54 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, ooh, I'm, I'd be getting ready to watch something that I don't know exactly what I'm going to get.
09:01 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And that, we talked about this the last time, like, how do you want this to end?
09:06 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, of course, we, like, if you've read the novella, you know, kind of what's next.
09:10 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But adding this little plot twist could kind of change the adventures, you know, yeah, significantly.
09:17 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, so by doing that twist and then adding this song, it just sort of says, be ready to be a little subverted, my friends.
09:26 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
09:26 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and I'm ready to, I'm ready for it.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's talk about the plot twist in a minute.
09:32 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, like I said, the show doesn't want me to take Western seriously and yet because it's so well made, I'm laughing at the opening scene with the jazz intro, right?
09:45 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Laughing hard at Lionel Braathian's stupid face.
09:48 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, because it's such a well made show, I'm thinking, no, no, he's telling me something.
09:53 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's saying we're going to be playing jazz with this story going forward.
09:58 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
09:59 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So you should be prepared for a little bit of jazz.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We're departing from the classical,
10:06 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: intro music and which suggests to me, you know, they're gonna keep the the themes of the story intact and they might explore a few other themes along the way So I can enjoy that intro on two different levels and not every show can do that Right, I'm just I'm pretty impressed.
10:29 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty impressed.
10:29 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I think it's really something to that that Because I think you don't
10:34 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: represent a casual game of thrones fan right?
10:38 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so so for it to work for you it suggests that it's it works right that it's a it's a actual it's a functioning effort that will help frame and shape your change your expectations right and maybe maybe what it does
11:01 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you you get to see it right and then didn't you end up going, oh well there's things that that weren't in there that are kind of disappointing now you can kind of let that go Because every there's always going to be you know some jazz with with adaptations things are going to get left out that maybe you were looking forward to but in this case it's kind of like all right book reader.
11:28 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you are going to miss something.
11:30 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Some things are going to be missing, but you're also going to get some things that you didn't know that you may have wanted.
11:35 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It absolutely is pleasing to me because I never view, my enjoyment of a show is never hinged on whether or not they were, they, they faithfully reassigned the, the original content.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always like,
11:52 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Find the theme that you want and tell this story your way.
11:56 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you do well enough, I will be thrilled when I'm surprised on occasion it doesn't work.
12:02 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it's done well, and then I think the show is for the most part has done it well, I'm willing to go along for the ride, but you just kind of have to prove to me that you know what you're doing.
12:15 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and that you get it, right?
12:16 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, even if you're gonna take some liberties,
12:22 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, at least adherence to the overall arching themes that are going to be on this play.
12:30 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And you may need to modernize them a little bit, or you may need to take some twists with it.
12:33 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, if all of a sudden, the relationship dynamic between Duncan Egg had been so different that it's not, you know, that it sort of takes away some of the reasons why you're watching the first place and that'd be a big deal.
12:47 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it's going to be like, oh, we're going to add a little intrigue where there wasn't
12:52 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: This is exciting to me, and I like that there's another secret, right?
12:55 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because at this point, doesn't know that egg is runaway.
13:00 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's that's pretty great.
13:03 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about the plot twist.
13:06 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: This comes in a question from Jonathan, who sent him email.
13:11 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about the fact that Egg apparently has gone off on his own.
13:16 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Maker does not know that he's done this.
13:21 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Dunk is now in danger.
13:23 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like,
13:25 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that he has committed another crime against the Dragon House, will they be hunting him down?
13:30 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, it just completely changes the nature of the travels in my opinion.
13:35 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, absolutely.
13:36 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So now, Dunk is in mortal peril as they travel to Dorn, right?
13:44 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
13:45 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we've gone from Knight Rider to the A team, you know, now Dunk is kind of a soldier of fortune although he doesn't know that he is on the run from a, from a pursuant.
14:00 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He has no ideas is a pursuant.
14:03 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And it could be the, I mean, look, it's, it's, it's
14:07 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_01]: These seven kingdoms are actually nine kingdoms.
14:10 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of places to go and not be found.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But chances are you're going to be on the King's Road a little bit.
14:16 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to be writers in several directions.
14:21 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't know you're being pursued, you'll probably be pretty easy to find.
14:25 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, guess what?
14:26 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the tallest man in Westeros.
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.
14:30 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I think this adds intrigue, I, it does put Duncan peril, does this, do this is a problem for you?
14:41 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, not yet.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we'll see.
14:43 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it does, it's a very curious to see how they, they pull it off because I know the next stories, um, and it requires like, then just sort of be focused on the events at hand, right?
14:57 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And so if you add another layer is that, you know, is that I'm just curious how they're going to do it.
15:03 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I'm wondering if this also sets up stories that have you had to be written.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So we get to.
15:10 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe it doesn't become an issue until season four perhaps right.
15:16 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So it could be because they're heading down to Dorn and there's not a lot of travel in between Dorn and the other kingdoms because there's a massive desert in the way.
15:28 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So you usually take a ship.
15:30 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So it is possible that they get on the, you know, they get on a ship and they travel down to Dorn
15:40 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: they're not on any of the roads, maybe they go through the desert and people don't want to travel the desert or something.
15:46 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So it could be that they don't really, if the next season is in Dorn, which would be an interesting choice, it could be they don't have to deal with this until a future season.
15:59 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's that's very possible.
16:02 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't hate it.
16:03 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of kind of think
16:10 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I always thought, always, always, always, I had my biggest plot hole that I had with the first novella was that I don't care if he's the 4th son of a 4th son.
16:23 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way make R is letting his son travel around with the big stupid guy, right?
16:30 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And sleep in the, sleep in the hedges, it's just not going to happen, and so that sort of felt like the most fantasy element of the story.
16:38 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
16:39 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I tend to agree.
16:40 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that that actually kind of solves a tiny problem.
16:44 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
16:45 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, I think it done.
16:46 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And it created it.
16:46 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've really one of my favorite parts of this episode was that sort of back and forth when he was especially when he says, I don't have one son left.
16:58 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what did you make of that?
16:59 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't say he didn't say he's my youngest son.
17:08 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: figures of what he's got.
17:10 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably his best option.
17:12 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's thinking that the other characters, these are not leaders.
17:16 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:17 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was pretty, pretty clever.
17:20 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, and when I as soon as he said that, I'm like, wow, he's going to change his mind.
17:25 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the fact that he didn't, I thought, was helps that, that dialogue, which I really liked even more.
17:32 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, this brings us to a few people have commented on Sam Sproul in this episode who plays Maker.
17:42 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people loved his performance.
17:44 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to read the comments by Ayesedai.
17:47 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Ayesedai says.
17:50 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: What it must have been like for Maker to raise Aryan and then see Egg his last opportunity to raise a good Targaryen with a knife in his hand to destroy his shitty Targaryen brother.
18:00 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And what are we to think that Aiman doesn't care about?
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Aiman?
18:05 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's my last son.
18:08 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He quotes, or is it just that because Amon has been sent to be a maester that egg is the last opportunity to make a good Targaryen noble, which is kind of your interpretation of the right that's what I yeah that's what I get out of.
18:25 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting that we don't meet Amin in this episode.
18:29 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We meet the other, we've met the other three sons, right?
18:33 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:35 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: My thought is that it's like your son decided he wanted to choose an occupation that is antithetical to your life's work.
18:48 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a father who's gone into politics and done really well and thinks that his son could do pretty well.
18:54 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: and then his son decides to, you know, be a gym teacher or something.
19:00 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, I think that there is something about the bookishness of an occupation that can separate father from son.
19:09 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, why did you stay here on the farm?
19:12 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm going to go to university and get smart.
19:15 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you think better than me, kind of thing.
19:18 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that there could be a number of things.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think I get the impression.
19:23 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: that make our doesn't think aiming is, uh, I don't know, royal material, I suppose.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, yeah, I think that's safe.
19:33 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I have been having a long, uh, maybe, almost a two-year argument with my archenemesis, Melanie.
19:42 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Melany is of the opinion that I'm an anti-target and she's probably right.
19:53 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think my opinion of Targaryens is that about one in 20 is worth a damn and the rest of these people are they're incestuous, they're colonizers, they're they're they'll burn
20:12 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And in addition to all the other crap that they pull, right?
20:16 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all all questionable trades for sure.
20:20 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, and then of course, if I was going to allow Melanie's argument to come back, she's like, you like, are you?
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you as an assassin?
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, why are you such a hypocrite?
20:33 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of, I can't understand honestly.
20:36 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:37 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I acknowledge my hypocrisy with this.
20:40 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of feel like the Targaryens are a stand-in for the Brits when the Brits are sort of at their height of colonization.
20:49 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that we're supposed to be rooting for them as cool as they are, as cool as their dragons are.
20:57 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And every now and then you find one like like egg who's a pretty decent fellow.
21:03 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that we've been taught by these properties that we should distrust them from the get-go, and I've bought the narrative, all right.
21:12 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is kind of my modus operandi.
21:17 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: With that in mind, I kind of feel like the show runners of the show feel the same way, like like Lionel Baratheon says the only dragon is a dead dragon.
21:28 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, Egg picks up a knife to sneak in and do something naughty to his brother.
21:34 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, can you even get a kill him?
21:37 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You see, got a kill him.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that would be in line with sort of my view of the Targaryens.
21:42 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, even the best Targaryens, like, egg on the unlikely, they will murder their brothers in their sleep.
21:51 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of feel like I'm pretty solid ground here.
21:55 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you don't think my shit smells like roses.
21:59 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of this argument?
22:01 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think you hate Targaryens.
22:03 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
22:05 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, even the best Targaryen that we've met, which is you're trying to get me to join your your stance and just sit there and say that there's no no redemption for for Targaryens.
22:17 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I am leveling an argument.
22:19 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to either pick holes in it or agree with me.
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The Targaryens are terrible.
22:28 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
22:31 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I guess, and I guess my feeling for that is sort of like, look, these guys have got like dragon power.
22:37 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you've got, this is, it's almost like we're dealing with billionaires.
22:43 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
22:44 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:44 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the odds are, like so you can sit there and make an argument that there are, or, or, and again, this is, this is,
22:52 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: just we're just talking here.
22:53 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Billionaires, please do not write in.
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a check.
22:58 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, half our audience's billionaires here are about to lose half our audience.
23:02 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
23:02 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
23:03 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, because I, like, you could say, there are billionaires that do good with their money, but you could also make the argument, yet they stay billionaires.
23:14 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, look, if money becomes meaningless to you and if the world will let you do anything you want with a certain amount of money, then you're just working with a different set of ethics and everyone else in the world.
23:29 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
23:30 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're thinking I have to believe I happen to believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
23:38 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that is true.
23:40 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So,
23:42 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my strongest arguments against Targaryens.
23:45 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So Melanie, if you're listening, here's the argument.
23:50 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The best Targaryen we've ever met in the show is Baylor Targaryen.
23:56 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the best we've encountered so far.
24:00 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Has it done any good for the rest of these Targaryens?
24:05 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy is in charge.
24:06 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the hand of the king.
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the heir to the throne.
24:08 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: These kids are rotten to the core, even with a positive male influence in their lives.
24:15 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were going to meet a decent Targaryen in this show, it would probably be Aegon, the unlikely.
24:22 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Who wants to murder his brother?
24:27 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: so this is the very best of what they have to offer.
24:31 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still suspicious.
24:33 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, I guess I am an anti-target.
24:36 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to wear that label proudly.
24:40 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a big episode.
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Favorite video?
24:45 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
24:47 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, Westeros is not to be taken seriously.
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Please don't take me too seriously.
24:55 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to do everything that Lionel Barathian said in this episode.
25:00 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He just so good.
25:04 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Completely a show invention.
25:07 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe he gets two lines in the novella, man, just add a value, add a value, every single time sounds green.
25:16 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I like the idea that he employs a terrible maester.
25:21 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh my gosh, that was an amazing back and forth.
25:24 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the asshole is beyond your abilities.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I laugh so hard.
25:30 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, especially because it's the scene of just like we're basically, you know, it's like,
25:34 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you don't know what's going on, as I was just as the end of dunk, he was dunking a diaper of his movements and he just served like, because the maister is it, because the maister's not at all played for laughs.
25:46 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No, like he's actually trying to, to the best of his abilities and he's just not very good at it.
25:51 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, this guy's, this guy's gonna die.
25:55 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy's gonna die.
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you suck, what do you know?
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how he's a terrible maister.
25:59 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like, oh, yeah, I got this maister, oh, I got him from Kaiser.
26:03 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love the idea that Lionel takes his lordship so lightly that the crap Master that they sent from Old Town.
26:13 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't he's just gonna let him continue to be a crappy Master like yeah, yeah, it's just it's what I have it these are the shoes I wear because of the shoes I have I loved it so much.
26:26 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it at the end He's like all right the care van will depart after the roast
26:33 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The roast, probably a reference to the Targaryen funeral, which happens right now, I think so, right, yeah, yeah, he calls it a roast, that's pretty awesome.
26:46 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh, I probably like him because, you know, he does have sort of a he, he himself is an anti-target.
26:52 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so you see a little bit of you in there, which is nice.
26:57 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
26:58 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hanging out with Lano Bradley.
26:59 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If ever I had to, you know, summer in West Rose, I'd be hanging out with Stormson.
27:06 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Although he says it's it's dull.
27:08 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that he says that it's insufferably dull.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he invites dunk to come.
27:14 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, hey, you should come with me.
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You're really such a terrible absum.
27:22 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
27:23 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So that brings me to a question that I don't know any answer.
27:26 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So at one point, Donk tells Maker, I'm done with princes, given the two conversations that book in this episode, you could take this one of two ways.
27:40 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: If you give this line a Lionel Baratheon spin, it's I'm done with princes because dragons are no good, they've only brought me misery.
27:52 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm done with you all, right?
27:54 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's how I read it initially.
27:57 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you take this in line with what Dunk says later that he says, I bring misery to everyone I'm around.
28:05 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like don't, don't tank me to Stormsend.
28:09 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm no good.
28:10 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm bad luck to be around.
28:14 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm done with Princess Means.
28:17 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I will only bring egg on.
28:20 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: misery.
28:21 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'd be better for him and not to go with me.
28:23 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you read this line?
28:26 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
28:27 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I took it as how you initially said it, right?
28:30 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, look, I tangled with princes and I could barely walk.
28:38 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:38 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how it took to.
28:39 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the idea too when you add that element of like, you know, a bad luck, that kind of idea.
28:46 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like,
28:47 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it could be, yes, it both, right?
28:49 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think two things are equally true in this case, right?
28:52 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like look, I don't want to get tangled up and I don't want to tangle him up.
28:57 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that helps me with the second question I was gonna ask you because the line which is not in the novella, maybe you're not the night I thought you were.
29:06 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what egg says to dunk under the window cell.
29:10 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, were you spying?
29:11 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
29:13 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I can't take you with me.
29:14 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're not the night I thought you were.
29:18 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to take that.
29:20 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like there's two ways to read that in light of the previous conversation.
29:24 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is, you don't think you're good enough for me.
29:29 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe you're not.
29:32 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If you think you're bad luck to me, then maybe you're not the night I think you are.
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're done with me.
29:43 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You're done with princess.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're not the night I thought of you were.
29:47 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really, because it is a show-only detail, I thought it was an interesting line to introduce.
29:54 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder what you think it means.
29:57 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I read it as sort of a, kind of a motivating thing.
30:06 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe as, as like, you're back and down.
30:11 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were a knight.
30:12 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's probably true.
30:13 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You know my situation and you're not here to help me.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're not the knight, I thought you were.
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I was reading.
30:19 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, basically, you've kind of checking him on his knighthood.
30:23 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, hey, this is how you want to be defined and there's certain things that you're going to have to be able to, you know, you're going to have to be able to do.
30:29 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_00]: This is like, you're you're you're turning down an option.
30:34 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You're turning down the option to be to be the thing that you
30:40 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I, that's, and so that's kind of how I, so I didn't see it so much as I thought like, to me, I felt like he was, he was moving, dunk forward.
30:49 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's the way to, I think that that helps.
30:52 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think now now that you've framed it that way, I feel like that's the right answer.
30:59 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it helps dunk the characterization of dunk.
31:05 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: the Raymond Fossaway is just a colossal fool because in the novella's you don't get the sense that maybe Raymond Fossaway is a fool on Simpleton.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:21 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: In this show, it's a nice little magic trick because all the sudden dunk is not the stupidest guy on the screen.
31:31 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because even he knows, you know, you're pregnant overnight, they're even he knows.
31:36 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been, man, you've been fooled.
31:38 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been, you've been completely hoodwinked by this, this sex worker.
31:45 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think in a more serious show, this wouldn't work.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, right, come on, come on, come on.
31:51 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is why you need some jazz in the beginning.
31:53 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
31:55 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you buy it and if you think it's funny and so you're willing to forgive it,
32:00 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It helps, it helps to root for donk because now you're like, well, I mean, come on.
32:04 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's, at least he's not as dumb as he was.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He even fuzz away.
32:10 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:10 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets to have a little moment where he's, he's more world-wise than someone else on screen.
32:15 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, clearly, there was, so Ireland had a bird in the bee's conversation, and who better.
32:24 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Who who has who has more street cred than Arlin going to come to the birds in the bees?
32:34 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I did like and I did like the the sequence where like I'm like, oh my gosh, are they gonna do this reveal that he was never a night with then Switch it, you know, yeah, that was that was a bit of brilliant You know the storytelling I thought because I was like, oh wow, this is crazy and then I'm like nope
32:54 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
32:56 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The top is still spinning.
32:58 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still ambiguous and that's what we like.
33:01 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that we're basically still on the right with Dunk, right?
33:05 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, since an Eddie Joe and Rocky Zim have the same question.
33:13 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Arlin was never formally knighted and that's why he didn't knight Dunk.
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that something we've ever discussed?
33:22 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and it's funny,
33:24 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a thought about that, not this episode, but I forget why I came up.
33:29 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think, was during the last one, and I just sort of escaped me to even bring up, because I was like, what do we know?
33:36 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a lot of people seem to sort of remember him.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
33:41 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, and to what end, right?
33:44 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if Dunk is, is, you know, in theory, Dunk is putting on a charade that he's a knight, who's just, hey, that any of these, you know,
33:53 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
33:55 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: How many nights are trouncing around the kingdom without a driver's license?
34:01 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it.
34:01 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's an interesting question.
34:04 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that we're going to get a good answer to this.
34:07 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if we're not going to get an answer definitively on whether Dunk is not knighted.
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
34:12 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We're certainly not going to get an answer from about sort of Arlin.
34:16 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do like that that it's almost like the ambiguity goes all the way down.
34:21 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
34:22 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
34:23 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
34:23 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: This is from John John says so egg.
34:27 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Just going to light a dunk.
34:29 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And now his pops is probably going to put a bounty out on Dung's head for kidnapping.
34:36 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: This is wild work by the young prince.
34:38 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So this goes to the question, in addition to being murderous, egg is just going to keep lying.
34:47 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we saw, I went episode three or four, this put a massive strain on the relationship.
34:57 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, dunk was like legitimately hurt that he was deceived and eggs seems legitimately hurt that dunk was hurt.
35:07 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And he seems almost repentant for his falset.
35:12 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
35:14 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he got himself into this because of a perceived kidnapping.
35:19 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is I guess this does to me feel like he's nine years old.
35:24 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, of course.
35:26 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course he apologize.
35:27 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean he's not going to do it again.
35:29 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
35:30 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And that and I think that that's an important thing because I that's that's how I walked away from it was is like he's it.
35:36 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, even though he's he he comes off much older and then he carries himself much more mature.
35:41 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still a kid and he wants what he wants.
35:44 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And
35:45 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it doesn't ring false to me that you could, again, he wants to ring false.
35:51 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and it doesn't, again, this is a little added intrigue.
35:56 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: When it's, I'm going to find out that he's been played again, on the same con, but I think you could read it in multiple ways.
36:05 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, Egg just wants what he wants.
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to lie to get it.
36:09 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Another way to read is,
36:16 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe he's thinking, yeah, you don't know what's good for you, you're not going to support this decision I'm making, but I know it's the best thing for you, and so I'm going to do it anyway.
36:31 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So in other words, either he's wise beyond his ears, which could be very true, or he's a kid who's just going to lie to get what he wants, which could be equally true.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.
36:47 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm interested to see where this goes and I trust them so far, right?
36:51 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
36:51 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That leads me to my last question, too.
36:54 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Our first conversation about this show, you hurt my feelings by comparing this to the book of Boba Fett.
37:06 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I tried to play it off.
37:08 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know.
37:09 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We can agree to disagree.
37:10 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But I cried a little bit.
37:13 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there was a single tear running down my cheek.
37:18 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I get the impression that the showrunners won you over in the end.
37:22 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this feels much more Mandalorian.
37:24 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we had talked about beforehand, but that could be right.
37:30 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So tell me about, I want to hear your journey.
37:33 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You went from outright suspicion to a full embrace, it feels like.
37:40 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I was actually thinking about that as I was watching this episode going, I can't believe I'm like upset that it's over because I was and I kept on thinking back like a lot to the first episode as I'm watching this going okay now.
37:57 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You made me think a lot more about how often I do talk to my animals.
38:02 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's way more than I had really like like shockingly.
38:10 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I was locking up the chickens and just telling them how sexy they were.
38:19 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_00]: because I think that that helps them lay the better eggs the next day.
38:23 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I mean, I think that there are studies about talking to plants, that the plants actually flourish a little bit better.
38:29 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, of course, it's going to, if it works on plants, it's going to work on chickens, right?
38:34 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think so.
38:35 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like to think that we built up a relationship that's, is part of your affinity for chickens, go back to the Swedish chef, is that where it all began?
38:47 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I like chickens because it's nice to see an animal that's always going to be more neurotic than I am.
38:54 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And so being around them and watching them just sort of clock around for like no reason and no, they're just everything seems to be like, there's a sense of urgency to do nothing.
39:04 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That calms me.
39:10 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: As sense of urgency they do not think it is as a fantastic way to describe champions and most of my academic career.
40:27 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Porchap out.