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00:19 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: See, we have not talked about the name of the mother.
00:24 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's correct.
00:25 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_02]: This was, I thought the most game of thrones asked episode.
00:31 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That was, it was as game of thronesy as any game of thrones has been.
00:36 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
00:37 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the question is that this work for you because it, because
00:43 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Like for me, I was on board with the tone shift and so the return to the darkness of the worlds was not necessarily a welcome return.
00:53 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
00:54 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't hate the episode.
00:56 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_02]: There are a few things I did not like about the episode, but I think overall my feeling about it was pretty positive.
01:02 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel the same.
01:04 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, I think they, if you again, if you look at the musical cues that we've seen
01:12 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: choices that they may be talked about like the interruption of the the theme in the first episode with explosive diarrhea indicating a tone shift or something or an expectation setting, right?
01:24 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The last episode when the theme comes in as sort of the gravity of the event reaches, yeah, felt as if it is served as a warning like like almost felt like everything else was sort of
01:41 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So I, so I kind of appreciated that sort of set myself up for that and also knowing that like, well, this, this is going to be a violent sequence.
01:48 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that and if you undercut the violence to try to stick with the theme and tone that you've kind of set, it might ring is an authentic, but I guess I was not fully prepared for it to be what it was.
02:05 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a jarring.
02:08 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say for the most part, and.
02:11 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: not exactly sure how I landed on the flashback.
02:17 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's talk about the flashback.
02:20 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was interesting.
02:20 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not hate that they kind of made rave a love interest.
02:24 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Rave is mentioned in one of the novella's, but there was no indication that this was, her character was anything close to this.
02:33 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely feel like you did not need it.
02:37 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't need some kind of origin story for Dunk that explains why he had a sad life.
02:45 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But I enjoyed seeing the slums.
02:49 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I, that particular neighborhood of Fleabottom really felt lived in, really felt like you got almost smell it from the television screen.
03:00 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, it had texture, you know, the gold cloak used to be a, you know, a street kid himself, you know, because he mentions I used to have quick hands, so you get the sense that like these cops, if they didn't become cops, they would probably be criminals on the same street.
03:17 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you get that sense of it.
03:19 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I did think that the actor who portrays Rafe was pretty good.
03:23 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I didn't hate that relationship as soon as they expressed their love for each other.
03:31 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking, oh, great.
03:32 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_02]: She's going to die.
03:34 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
03:35 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
03:35 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And so now that now I've seen that coming, now this feels really tropy to me and that takes me out of it a little bit.
03:42 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that I most enjoyed about the flashback was dunked saying, I know that my mother's dead, but I am such a creature of hope that even if there's a 1% chance that she's not dead, maybe I should just wait here in this
04:02 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I kind of feel like this is a world where hope is just stamped out at every turn.
04:08 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And yet we have the one guy in the landscape that actually is a creature of hope.
04:13 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So that to me that helped and maybe that's worth the entire flashback.
04:18 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, I don't know if you need the flashback.
04:22 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I was wondering from a pacing perspective.
04:28 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: how they were going to, because I felt like they were going to turn the entirety of this trial into one episode and even though these episodes are shorter than what we're used to in the game at Throne's World.
04:39 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I'm all, this is going to be, it could be very, just feel redundant, you know, throughout, because there was, I mean, already in this battle,
04:54 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, okay, I get it, I don't need him stabbed one more time, you know what I mean?
05:01 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was a few moments like that where I just felt like, you know, it's like when you have a joke that has too many tags.
05:08 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, they may all be interesting tags, but like, the joke is getting tires.
05:14 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So then it was like, well, you really need the flashback in that sense because you,
05:22 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_02]: You had to break up the pace of it.
05:23 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to break up the pace and you want to do it.
05:28 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to do it in a way that add some color, right?
05:33 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You had to add something, it has to have some value.
05:36 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And so like you said it, I think it does add value to give a little more depth to this dunk character as opposed to just sort of being in over his head.
05:46 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a note, like again, the idea of hope
05:50 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: being so foreign in this land that it's not maybe necessarily that he's just purely naive or uneducated, but he represents something that is almost magical in and of itself.
06:05 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea of clinging to hope in a hopeless world.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: is is almost supernatural, right?
06:10 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, so yeah, it could be a weakness or it could be a superpower depending on how the story unfolds.
06:17 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and I think we're seeing both, right?
06:20 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what happens with almost any superpower, right?
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Is is you can use it for good.
06:25 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You can use it for evil.
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You can waste it.
06:28 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, because you don't know what to do with it.
06:30 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And if no one like, you know, that's why you like you look at so many, um,
06:34 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: superhero origin stories, a lot of them will have some sort of guidance.
06:39 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: There's something there.
06:40 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a mentor or something, and that's what he is right.
06:43 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a hopeful night without a mentor.
06:47 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he's just sort of figuring it out as he goes along.
06:51 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think giving a little bit of backstory to that to at least to add that color of hope is helpful.
06:57 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of felt the same way in some of the flashback
07:04 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
07:05 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I do get that.
07:06 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I know what you're saying and I see them message is pretty clear like it's just about like Again a good episode that I was impatient almost throughout
07:17 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, this one was a little different for me because I had not watched like a really gory game of thrones episode with my wife usually this is the kind of stuff where she'll tune out.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's too much for me.
07:34 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not interested in that.
07:35 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And for the most part, this show has been enough comedy and enough sort of personality
07:47 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was worried, like, oh, no, no, like I think this is very game of thronesy, this is all, and I'll, I mean, probably realistic to how these old fights would have gone, and yet I was watching a little bit through Sarah's eyes, sort of projecting her worries on to the show.
08:11 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was a little bit of a fly in the moment for me on this watch.
08:17 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: What did you make of the statement that the laughing storm says at the beginning, he says, mother always loved you best.
08:27 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he says something like, I always find that the fiercest fighters are the ones who were neglected by their mothers.
08:36 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he almost gets an odd look by everyone.
08:40 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, this is not the time for psychoanalysis.
08:44 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everyone kind of looks at him like what do you what are you talking about and I kind of felt like I was in that boat It's like why What what what's the purpose here?
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: A line-all-drafting or right?
08:57 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what do you make of that statement?
09:00 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I Was it kind of a similar reaction.
09:03 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's This show is interesting right because I do feel like It is very aware of what it's doing with certain cues and
09:14 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It has certain functions that has to perform, but it also knows, or has a keen sense of probably who the audience is.
09:25 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you have a scene like this where it's like, this is an important sort of tone setter for this mother theme of this, I mean, it's in the title, it's his mother being alive,
09:43 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: of the mother and sort of the religious lore, it's all really important in this episode.
09:49 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you have this moment where it's sort of like, it feels almost like like the beginning of a scene to a play to get the audience ready.
10:00 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So it serves as that function, but then also it's like, how do we do it in this world, in this moment?
10:07 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, let's just make it,
10:09 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: obviously weird like not like if everybody is in on the fact that this isn't really maybe the time for this.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's forgiven because we recognize it too.
10:20 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not like every scene that Lionel's in, it feels like you really wanted to be a jester.
10:26 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_02]: If you couldn't be the Lord of Storm's End.
10:30 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: you probably would love to be juggling for someone.
10:33 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
10:34 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I almost feel like it's stuck out so much as like, it's not just the completely wrong thing to say in this moment.
10:43 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It almost feels like the wrong thing to say for this time period.
10:48 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like it's almost anacronistic.
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
10:50 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it made me think like at the beginning of this episode, the title is, and got the word mother in it.
10:58 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes me wonder, like, are you trying to foreshadow Baylor's death by saying something like, you've lived too Trump of a life to actually survive this?
11:10 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting, yeah, maybe.
11:12 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Your mom probably loved you.
11:13 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you're not going to be as good on the battlefield.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
11:21 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of it.
11:24 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit perplexing, and I kind of like it because this is the show that is trying to subvert, right?
11:32 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this show likes subverting Game of Thrones, and this is exactly the kind of thing that you wouldn't hear in Game of Thrones.
11:40 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
11:41 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: How did you feel about how this episode ends with the helmet being removed and the reveal, the back of the skull?
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, oh good, more gross.
11:54 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I wonder, because like I, um, like I said, there was a part, there were points where I was getting kind of impatient with, and again, maybe I just wasn't ready for this kind of onslaught.
12:06 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like even the flashback was not much of a respite from, from violence, you know, very violent episode, very graphic episode.
12:14 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And, um, and so, with that moment at the end, it was kind of like it, I was kind of at a point where I was feeling like this was relentless.
12:24 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And while that's an important moment for sure, I wonder if you could have started the next episode with that.
12:35 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
12:37 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was sort of that it was almost a little bit of horror peppered in Because it's it's almost like am I talking to a ghost right now because you should be dead There's no reason why you should be upright And it's almost like he was almost like wily coyote If he doesn't actually die until he actually knows that he's run off the cliff Totally exactly.
13:00 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's very much that And that was the thing it wasn't like
13:05 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The show, you know, play a certain things for laughs, that certainly wasn't funny, but there was sort of a, um, over the top, and this to it that could have been on theme, uh, but again, I think following just, you know, gash throats and beheadings and, and, and stabs after stabs after stabs, it did sort of feel just like, can I get a, can I have a moment?
13:35 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I think like if you do it, they sort of the beginning of like kind of set like the new show or a new episode with that, it might hit a little different.
13:45 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it would be jarring, but it might be like, it'd be appropriately jarring because it lives in its own little world for that moment.
13:56 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: As opposed to sort of a furthering of the same sentence.
14:01 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that this episode in the last episodes, almost are in conversation with each other in terms of how they end, because the last episode is Baylor is our salvation.
14:11 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't expect him to arrive and save the day.
14:14 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And in this one, Baylor arrived, you know, Baylor sort of survives the battle.
14:21 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He's sort of the model of Chivalry.
14:24 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: The realm needs good nights or whatever, and then of course, the reveal is that he's a dead man walking.
14:32 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
14:33 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think what my big takeaway from the very end was the sort of the contrast of dunks reaction to Baylor's death versus eggs.
14:49 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
14:52 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Egg seemed, you know, upset, but not like shaken, where his dunk was wrecked.
15:01 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because dunk, I think dunk is fuel skillty like this is sure, right?
15:06 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I mean, it was just like, but like the the outpouring of emotions for someone he barely knows, versus, you know, family, essentially.
15:19 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I thought that was maybe, maybe also an interesting way to sort of show the differences between who these, who these people are like, I mean, the, the, the, again, the contrast of Dunkin egg is so important for so many things.
15:33 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's visually, there's physically, there's, but there's this, um, not, and this is the upbringing difference, but then there's also just sort of the way that they navigate their surroundings.
15:44 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, and so I, I liked that.
15:47 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: that that contrast was on display for this particular moment in the death of this character and how also not I mean not only is it like okay well this is part of eggs you know family essentially but he's also a child you know and so it was just sort of like kind of non-plused
16:10 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_02]: No, where is, you know, so they just the gravity of it was was portrayed, you know, saw eggs horror in when Dunk, it looks like Dunk might have died, right?
16:20 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the egg shows more emotionality in that scene than he does.
16:23 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, finds it.
16:24 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Baylor's killed over.
16:26 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
16:27 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a weird, I mean, we're like, it's a, it's a unique energy transference that's kind of going on, right?
16:34 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, whereas egg is trying to get into
16:38 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: and dunk us essentially trying to get into eggs world, like whether it's explicit or not, but like that's kind of happening, right?
16:44 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, you know, a dunk wants to be respected as a night and a kind of wants to be, wants to see wants to hang, you want us to sort of live, you know, and so yeah, so it's their relationship with each other and their relationship with the world around them and how they're kind of,
17:03 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: moving towards where they want to go or trying to manufacture their own sort of destiny and how that's kind of intertwining and then how that's on display and how they're reacting to different events is still very compelling.
17:19 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's been the strength of the show.
17:23 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, you have an episode where they have to be a part because of the event.
17:33 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: of putting their relationship on display even when they work together.
17:38 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I liked that a lot, and that actually, there was a listener comment on that that I thought I would call out because I think that he makes this point pretty well.
17:49 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_02]: This is from John, John says, personally, the Battle of the Bastards is still numerous, you know, but this was personal in a way that I was not expecting at all.
18:01 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think this kind of goes to the point you're just making like there's a lot of action.
18:05 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot of gore
18:08 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: sort of a lot of sort of, I don't know, an orgy of violence I suppose, but at no point in this episode did I lose track of the kind of the center of the show and that is how does this relate to egg story?
18:25 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: How does this relate to Dung story?
18:27 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_02]: How do the events that I'm seen unfold impact the the other person who's not on screen?
18:34 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So I appreciated that.
18:37 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's good, no.
18:37 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Subzero says, I wonder if Baylor being in the mix made it hard for the King's Guard to fully commit.
18:48 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, in fact, that's a big deal in the short story is that that's actually a strategy that they use, which they do call out at the beginning of the episode.
18:59 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Baylor says the King's Guard are forbidden to strike the blood of the dragon.
19:07 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and then I think that there's a question like was that honorable and he says well, we'll find out.
19:13 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, let's let the gods decide so not only are they, um, not fully committed.
19:20 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: In the books, that's a big deal.
19:22 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he basically is able to stand between Dunk and the King's Guard because they're not able to defend themselves against Baylor Turk area.
19:35 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The other detail in the novella that was a big deal that didn't make it into the show was, Baylor says, let's use tournament lenses which are four feet longer than regular lenses.
19:50 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, let's use these things.
19:52 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They're designed to break, but basically, this will ensure that all of their lenses will never hit us on the first charge, because if we land our lands, which are for a feet longer, against theirs, then the first charge will basically unhorsed them most of them anyway.
20:15 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And we won't have to worry about, you know,
20:19 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a little bit of trickery that Baylor uses in the novella that didn't make it into the show.
20:27 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:28 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That is true.
20:29 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:29 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you don't need it.
20:30 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that was interesting difference.
20:33 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, Sedais says, Do we know why or how Arlin would know a doth rocky song?
20:41 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
20:41 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you know that that was the, that he was singing in doth rocky.
20:45 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So Arlin, where he was.
20:47 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I was curious as to what he was, what language he was singing and so yeah, I had the subtitles on so you know it kind of indicated that it was Dothraki and I actually emailed my guy who does the translations for Dothraki and he said that because I wanted to know if he actually came up with the lyrics, because I think translating the lyrics to a song is much different than
21:13 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_02]: like actually, someone who's fluent in the language actually coming up with poetic verse.
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that would be interesting.
21:20 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently he just translated.
21:23 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So we don't really know who wrote it, but it does really kind of come across as a dahthwaki, like war him or something.
21:33 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You can look up the lyrics online.
21:36 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_02]: How would he know, in my head, Canon,
21:40 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think that Arlin is, he's nomadic.
21:44 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: He's traveled all over the world.
21:45 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And we didn't know that he had ever traveled in S.O.S.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_02]: but the Dothrake, he do not come to Westeros.
21:50 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just thinking that he, he just spends some time with the Dothrake at some point in his life.
21:58 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think, you know, kind of does, it is in keeping with what we know of this guy.
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, he's nomadic.
22:06 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets around.
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets around.
22:09 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_02]: According to Aeron, Aeron said he needed to scour the earth to find a culture that he fit in with in terms of the size of their genitalia.
22:20 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
22:22 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_02]: What else do we have?
22:24 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is from Nate.
22:25 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if this is the same Nate who suggested the last starfighter.
22:29 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Nate send us an email to cocoonsoforeagmail.com.
22:33 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We want to know your history with this film by you chose it.
22:38 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: We'd love to include either a voice note or we'll read your email on the pod where we cover.
22:45 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_02]: The last starfighter, which not too far away.
22:49 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what Nate says.
22:50 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_02]: How the hell
22:52 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Did Raymond not die much less have not have a scratch do you have a thought on this.
22:59 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't Raymond die in the no I mean that it it was curious that that that was the case, but maybe I don't know maybe it was avoiding maybe
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: low priority.
23:23 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would imagine that Stefan would probably want to take him down in a notch for sure.
23:28 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
23:29 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.
23:30 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we don't know because they did the entire thing from Dunks perspective, but I will say this, that the answer to Nick's question comes in a comment by Josh Liu.
23:44 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh says, I just listened to the Tyrion 1 chapter from a Star Wars sword, this is my electric book, a loopod cast.
23:53 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It was serendipitous timing, as Ian McKinnis is a medievalist that I often talk with about these books.
24:02 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Talk a bit about how many wounds, a fully armored medieval
24:13 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_02]: What Josh is bringing out is the fact that these trials are designed to make men submit.
24:20 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not designed to kill people, basically.
24:24 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And the idea here is that your armor is so expensive and so well made that it would take like 70 different pokes to actually kill you.
24:36 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: and they've done like archeological evidence for these like one night, it took like 77 different wounds to actually take down a guy who's in full armor.
24:46 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it would actually be the default setting to assume that someone like Raymond Fossway will probably survive the battle.
24:56 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And it would actually be kind of surprising for someone to die in a trial by combat like this.
25:03 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, anyway, the answer to your question, Nate, is that night's and full plate armor often did not die.
25:11 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's good to know.
25:14 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, should I ever buy myself in that situation?
25:16 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it does make it when I finished the episode, I was thinking, boy, this was a really stupid time in our history.
25:26 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: we actually did duals to settle our disagreements.
25:31 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But I've had historians on before that have said things like, yeah, it's not as barbaric as you think.
25:39 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe this is a more equitable way to solve these things than leaving it to the justice system where basically the person
25:56 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe just two big guys fighting, they can see each other, you've got a better shot.
26:02 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I'm not sure if I quite buy that, you know, I'd like to think that our justice system is a little bit better than a trial of seven, but I don't know.
26:17 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't watch the news much I guess.
26:20 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I do and I may be a more dunk, maybe I'm more of a dunk in Optimist when it comes to these things.
26:28 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I know that our world is flawed.
26:30 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It just, you know, after watching an episode like this and just thinking like, how much mud do we actually need to figure out what the gods want?
26:37 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great lamentation.
26:39 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: just how much mud do we need?
26:41 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It was my favorite YouTube song.
26:46 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha.
26:47 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so that does it for feedback.
26:49 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of curious to see how they wrap this thing up.
26:55 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I kind of know the general beats, but there's about two more pages of book in the novella and they're going to try to give me probably at least 35 minutes of
27:07 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any sense of like, what, how this show might depart from the novella?
27:17 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and I am curious because it has to, it can't like me to resolve this portion, right?
27:26 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, have to give us a, maybe, I mean, it has to, I think I don't have to end with the cliffhanger, but at least has to give the, a more adventures to come kind of a thing.
27:36 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I've just, I've given how there's been surprises, like again, this last episode being so violent and game of thronesy, I've kind of done expecting Jordan trying to figure out, you know, I'm just very much along for the right on this on which is, which is nice because I think with, you know, with House of the Dragon, we were trying to like,
28:03 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: overlay the expectation set from the original series, and then when those are subverted, we kind of like, well, what am I, you know, I don't know what to expect.
28:11 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I think that's an important takeaway on these is like just, you know, trust these this journey and I'm I'm confident and it'll still end with a tone set of like, they're
28:33 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: that there has to be sort of an upbeat sense of closure on this, like, not a tie-up, anything a bow on, at least a sense of, like, you're gonna want to go on this journey and not, you know, not just to see it through, but also on a positive sense.
28:50 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you want to believe that Dunkin' Egg are going to write in the sense that together and have more adventures.
28:58 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, that is the entire,
29:01 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That has to be the North Star for this final episode.
29:06 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to just remind everyone that the world is dark and full of tears, you know.
29:13 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And you you want to you want the audience to sort of adopt that small glimmer of hope that Dunk has been holding on to this entire.
29:23 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think Dunk is going to leap home.
29:25 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, well, I'm looking forward to that final episode.
29:29 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Next week may have a little bit of a regular coverage because I'm out of town, but we'll figure it out.
29:39 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So be prepared for irregularity.
29:41 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I always am.
29:43 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But at some point Stephen I will get together and talk about the season finale.
29:50 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Stick around once the show's over for probably Howard movie review we will be covering all of the films that we drafted in our last podcast called the newlywed draft.
30:03 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Steve did select at least a few really bad movies for us to watch.
30:10 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a one movie in that roster that you're most looking forward to watching?
30:16 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's at least a few that we both of us have not seen.
30:19 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of what's the point.
30:22 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of movies that I haven't seen, that I'm excited to see it dark man.
30:29 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And in terms of movies that I'm excited to cover with you, I'm looking forward to Moon Raker.
30:38 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, all right.
30:39 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:41 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm really looking forward to having you watch a few
30:46 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: edge of tomorrow it just seems odd that I've seen an action movie with Tom Cruise that you have not seen so that it feels you know and it's one of the few Tom Cruise movies that of that nature that I like so I'm excited to have you watch that one also a last
31:21 --> 31:24 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
32:08 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And a cocoon of horror.