David and Anthony give our kneejerk reactions to Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, ep. 5.
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00:19 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I gave it as soon as Rave says I love you, don't you?
00:25 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew it.
00:28 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, she's, she's, she's, her way she's arriving.
00:30 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_01]: This episode.
00:31 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's gonna happen that quick, but oh my gosh, that's, that's the death now right there.
00:37 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_02]: looking back on all of the little twists and turns in this and then the choice to have the origin story flashback.
00:46 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very traditional.
00:49 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a there.
00:50 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're using they use a lot of what we know in terms of storytelling devices and tropes and stuff.
00:58 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah, you want to understand how this guy got to this place and I think it is a feature of modern storytelling to want to couch that into one of the action sequences.
01:16 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I was pretty happy that this was in an entire back, back, back, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, I'm a podcaster mouth.
01:25 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I've been sick most the day.
01:27 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm glad that the episode wasn't an entire flashback because that is sometimes what Netflix is pretty guilty when it comes to this
01:43 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_01]: and the flashback was kind of nestled in there.
01:47 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I kind of like it.
01:50 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was trophy, right, but I think it kind of worked for me.
01:53 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was going to be my follow on point was for every very standard device and structure.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:04 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_02]: They employed it all really well, and it was actually a very satisfying story.
02:10 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: in the end.
02:12 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And I cannot fault them for any of the choices that they made.
02:17 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
02:18 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think I know more about Dunk because of the flashback.
02:22 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
02:23 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I probably didn't need it, but it did bring a bit more texture to his story.
02:28 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
02:29 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it needs to be there for us who haven't read any of the stories.
02:36 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_02]: to get some of that, but then also just to understand how much to really get the depth of the relationship between Saral and Dunk.
02:45 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to really go back to that very beginning.
02:49 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Who, and in this idea that Dunk is this gentile child who enjoys petting animals and sort of is naive in the world,
03:05 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: understanding of what it is, uh, the values of a night was being defended by serpent.
03:13 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Who was drunk out of his mind who didn't know the kids for nothing, but he just saw some gold cloaks being, uh, douchebags.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:22 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, and that imprinted on Dunk in a way that he wants to hold.
03:28 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: that value up.
03:29 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think you've got it.
03:31 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it really helps.
03:32 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched episode, the preceding episode just before this one aired.
03:38 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think these really work as a pair.
03:42 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you really need to have that conversation of done with Baylor saying, but don't all nights take the same oath to have this really connect up in a way.
03:55 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was, I mean, this is no battle of the bastards, but it was not short on muck and blood and gore and in paleane, and blunt force trauma, yeah, concussions and everything.
04:11 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were, it just got the sense.
04:13 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Dunk is just a crash test dummy on these lists.
04:19 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, seriously, he's, it does not let up.
04:22 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It does not let up for Dunk.
04:24 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it gives a great insight into the brutality of that style of combat when, uh, far away, Raymond, far away is that his first name?
04:34 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Raymond, I think Raymond without the D. Right, right, okay, Raymond.
04:40 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: says to dunk in the last episode, oh, that's morning stars and battle axes and, you know, he gets real crazy in a moment because he understands what this kind of fight really means.
04:56 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see it here and I appreciated some of the historical realism in the sense of Aryan was trying to get up underneath his helm with the dagger and you know doing all of these kinds of things that were
05:12 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It felt accurate, you know, to feel accurate and I just want to say I'm not going to belabor this point.
05:19 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this era of history was kind of stupid.
05:26 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not like this one is any better.
05:29 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, for sure, it's different.
05:32 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We have problems too.
05:34 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But, oh my gosh, it's just moronic to dress up in a steel dress and poke things at each other.
05:44 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So, anyway, to the point that you lose a good man, a bailer.
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
05:50 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
05:51 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the moment he said, oh, I need some help with my helmet.
05:54 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, out, that's just like he said with rave, you know, the moment that he said on my helmets, I need to melt with my helmet.
06:01 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, that's it.
06:03 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: He's cooked.
06:03 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_02]: He's cooked.
06:05 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the realm needs a good man like that.
06:10 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And now now I was wondering, you know, with when
06:19 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I need you your your good net your good man the realm needs you I was like oh well how are we gonna go on the Duncan a good ventures from here and it's like oh well there you go now they got to run
06:31 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much of this episode that was really faithful to the book.
06:35 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
06:37 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yet the entire flashback was completely made up for the show.
06:41 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Constructed.
06:41 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
06:42 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:42 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just, I was just impressed.
06:44 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just impressed on how they will those things together.
06:47 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: How much do we need to know about the, was it the black fire rebellion?
06:53 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_02]: that was the thing where they were harvesting you know the battle when they were out on the battlefield afterwards and then the guy hands back the leather and says take it.
07:03 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he said black fire rebellion right and yeah that must have been the sort of the swansong of the black fire rebellion.
07:10 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And then must have been the red keep in the background of the battle field there.
07:15 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
07:16 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
07:16 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
07:17 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they just gotta be close enough to King's Landing for them to walk there, right?
07:20 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
07:20 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was like, how did you get back to, you know, to the town so quickly if it were the reachers or not the reach, but the twins or something like that?
07:28 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Thought it was interesting that Arlin Penitri was singing in Doth Recky.
07:33 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The I had the subtitles on and yeah, they said Dothraki singing and I was like and in that moment a part of that is when Dunk has that brush with death and so he's character right goes through a symbolic death and rebirth and you know Sir Arlin rebirth sim and it doesn't
07:59 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't not think about Game of Thrones, you know, with Cal Drogo.
08:07 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Cal Drogo, why do I think that that's Jason Mammoth?
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It is.
08:11 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It is.
08:12 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
08:12 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not confusing.
08:14 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I large Paul and he's in man's history, man.
08:18 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, the resurrection there, which is obviously conducted in Dothracky.
08:25 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And then this idea that a hero has to go through just the idea of the old self has to die before the new self can be.
08:32 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and, you know, it kind of fills out a little bit of Arlin Penetri's story like he's traveled.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been around man.
08:40 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
08:41 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been around the Dothrake and F to learn some of their songs and remember them and sing them very vociferously when he's drunk exactly exactly.
08:54 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about the actor who played young dunk?
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Not so great.
08:58 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Not as good as our egg.
09:01 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, there were a couple of times when I was like, not quite as hefty.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And a little too clean, both of them were a little too clean.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't hate it.
09:12 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in terms of just like, it is trying to looking the part.
09:16 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, having the Irish accent, you know.
09:19 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Why is the Irish accent either always coded to countryside or to lower class?
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
09:31 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: My son was asking me something very similar to that earlier.
09:34 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
09:36 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I do know that when Americans hear, like, high-faluten, Oxford, we think, villainy.
09:44 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
09:45 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Star Wars certainly coded that.
09:47 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, maybe that's it.
09:49 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Star Wars was the culprit, right?
09:51 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they were Nazis, but they were like British Nazis or something.
09:55 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:55 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:56 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And but of course, you know, Scottish, you know, we're very
10:00 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, those are our buddies, right?
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: These are our buddies.
10:06 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure why that particular accent hits my ear in that way.
10:11 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I like the flashback.
10:13 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't love the death of rave.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of felt like that was coming.
10:20 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That felt very seasoned one season two game of thrones.
10:24 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about tropey.
10:25 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That was that was kind of tropey, but yeah.
10:29 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... willing to forgive it and any any other sort of uh... need your reactions to this episode uh... i'm curious you said your son was doing uh... uh... retrospective on the original series is he watching concurrently the dinosaur kingdom yeah he is we watched it together today he was uh... he got right up to the red wedding and kind of yand and turned off and i was like what do you what are you doing
10:55 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So he hasn't experienced red wedding yet.
10:58 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He just kind of got bored and me entered off to his bedroom.
11:03 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, got it.
11:04 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, man.
11:06 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He might wake me up at 3 a.m. and be like, what just happened?
11:11 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so if we're the deep dive, do a search for the lurehounds, 9 of the 7 Kingdoms, you will find our deep dive that we're going to record that on Tuesday, probably come out Tuesday night.
11:25 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have the two channels, we have the main feed channel, and then there's a game of thrones, house of the dragon, stuff, only one, so either one is fine.
11:34 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, if you have feedback, you can send those to small council, small council at thelorhands.com or cocoons of horror at gmail.com.
11:45 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I have to ask you a question because you also have something very big coming up.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe tomorrow.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, the big movie draft.
11:53 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Lastly, about it last night.
11:55 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, did you?
11:57 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You were strategizing.
11:58 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to figure out how well you do Steve or not.
12:01 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he sent me a cryptic text.
12:03 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: OK.
12:04 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He feels like he found a loophole so that he can make me watch a movie that I hate.
12:13 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just, oh man.
12:15 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, when is that episode going to air?
12:17 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys are recording that, I think tomorrow, relative to this.
12:20 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably come out tomorrow.
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Tomorrow, Tuesday for sure.
12:24 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, well, we're excited.
12:25 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We've compiled a list of the listener submitted movies, and there's about 22, 24 movies in there.
12:31 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And I tell you, I'm here to say, that there's a season just in what was submitted.
12:37 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be looking at them.
12:38 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm making sure that my eyes are virginal.
12:41 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not been this list, but I am looking forward to looking at the list as soon as the draft has been completed.
12:46 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some interesting ideas.
12:49 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Steve and I might talk about the list after the draft is complete.
12:53 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be tomorrow and you can find that right here on this very feet because this is usually a movie review podcast right and that's what we're going to continue to do after the night at the 7 Kingdoms is wrapped up and I'm looking forward to your U and Steve's recap at the end of the week as well.
13:13 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes very good.
13:15 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: All right thanks man.
13:16 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it.
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