Aaron, Richard, and Chase find themselves feeling cold towards the series' hottest episode. Where episode 4 may have failed the Ramblers, episode 5 brought us back into the fold and gave us an episode that rivals Season 1.
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00:17 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Hello and welcome back to Radioactive Ramblings.
00:21 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_04]: My name is Aaron.
00:22 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Richard.
00:23 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Chase and today we're going to be covering episodes 4 and 5 of Invincible Season 4.
00:28 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I also want to let y'all know how to contact us quickly.
00:31 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_02]: First of which is going to be our email radioactive at thelorhounds.com.
00:36 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We also have a channel set up for Radioactive Ramblings within the lower house discord server.
00:41 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You can send us message chat about the show, you know.
00:44 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_02]: whatever, ramble a little bit.
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00:54 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We'd also appreciate a rating on Apple podcast, Spotify, or wherever.
00:59 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you listen to us and it helps other listeners like you find us.
01:03 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:03 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And just to add on to that real quick for our invincible chat over on the discord, that is linked in the radioactive ramblings chat.
01:13 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you are having trouble finding it, they just did a, like, big server reorganization over there and a few things have moved.
01:20 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to quick away to find that, it will be right in our channel.
01:25 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, definitely check that out.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Chase, Richard.
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Either one of you.
01:33 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_04]: How you guys doing today?
01:34 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good, pretty good.
01:36 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so little sick, but other than that, I'm doing pretty good.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_02]: How about you?
01:41 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing good.
01:42 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm happy to have you here with us even though you're feeling a little under the weather, Richard, and Chase, I'm glad that you didn't die of sun poisoning.
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love you almost did.
01:55 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was worth it though.
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Body was peeling.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I came out of a cocoon.
02:00 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_04]: You were doing some research for the Boys Mexico.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Dude.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
02:05 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Scouting out filming locations.
02:07 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Chase, when you cross the border, did it have like the breaking bat yellow, like Mexico filter on it or no?
02:15 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
02:16 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But they had like a bunch of wanted posters at the border crossing.
02:27 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_04]: interesting.
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Mayo, like, guys, like the topping.
02:31 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Mayo, Bob, uh, the loose.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get straight into this.
02:36 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that one of these episodes, we're going to have a lot to say about and the other one, not so much.
02:42 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_04]: So let's get into the one that we probably will have less to say about.
02:45 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm going to have a lot to say about this.
02:47 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, god, no.
02:48 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
02:48 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, all right, let's talk about episode four with the Hell storyline just very quickly.
02:54 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Damian Darkblood needs Mark's help to reclaim Hell for Satan from an evil person called Volcanica.
03:01 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And with that, Chase, I'm gonna turn it over to you because you've got thoughts.
03:07 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think this is the worst episode of Invincible, um, worst.
03:13 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I am not a stone shader of this episode, but I got up to do this episode.
03:19 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
03:19 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree that it's the worst of the series.
03:22 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have to say about this episode.
03:23 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking to such boring ass characters who I don't give a flip and freak about boring ass villain.
03:33 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole villain is, oh, I can't die, but then it's just so boring, boring, boring, boring, like, and then we spend, like, however long with Mark being like, oh, what are our behalf of it like that?
03:45 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that the helmet thing was more just a jab at Marvel about how every character now has a NATO tech helmet that does the exact same thing, and now no one has a unique costume or whatever or suit in Marvel.
03:59 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's probably a fair assumption.
04:01 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like I think that was more of the joke they were going for.
04:05 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool, bro.
04:06 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool, bro.
04:07 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I get fucking eight episodes of invincible every year and they wasted a whole episode on this fucking...
04:13 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a hater, man, all right?
04:15 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone who's like, oh, it's filler, oh, it's filler.
04:18 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It is filler because it wasn't in the comics, but at the same time, like, it's more than just...
04:23 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it wasn't even enough damn comics.
04:26 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They fucking created even extra filler, bro.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
04:31 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: If I want to wonder one of the comics, I'm just gonna read the fucking comics, you know?
04:34 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that awful take.
04:36 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
04:39 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Animations never going to be one to one to the comics.
04:41 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like obviously, obviously, I get what you're saying.
04:44 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, if I wanted the story to be exactly the same but like,
04:48 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_02]: is so you're okay with them just making shit ass poop ass I didn't fucking get in the tire episodes bro like I didn't talk to that I wasn't super interested but at the same time like I don't I don't need it to be like
05:04 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, absolute cinema, every episode, you know, like, and I'm not saying you're like that.
05:09 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't think it was that bad, like, like, there are way worse, quote unquote, filler episodes in other shows.
05:18 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to open it up, like, let's say we're talking around invincible.
05:22 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I do think that in an in episode run, like having an episode that doesn't really contribute to the main plot that much is crazy.
05:31 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So like I do understand that and I do think that it was kind of a dunk all filler, except for JoJo's filler.
05:37 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: We're still ball run Netflix.
05:39 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's still ball run?
05:40 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't hear them in advance, man.
05:42 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even, I'm larking, okay, I don't watch their does.
05:46 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, holy lark.
05:48 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I've never seen an episode.
05:50 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone who watches JoJo's, let us know.
05:52 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get these two guys on it.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear a review.
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love that.
05:56 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I will not be, actually.
05:58 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oathbound not to watch JoJo's.
06:01 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, why?
06:01 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: JoJo's is so good.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, cause I, I made it to oath.
06:05 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this one time I was like, I swear I will never watch JoJo's bizarre adventure.
06:09 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you needed to come like Jamie Lannister and oathbreaker, but don't do like him in any other way.
06:15 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Richard doesn't have a sister, so he'll be okay.
06:19 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna make a joke, but I'm not gonna make that joke.
06:22 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_04]: The worst part about this episode, and we've talked a little bit off the fucking Satan crown row.
06:30 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_04]: The Satan crown.
06:31 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_04]: They hype him up so much in this episode, and they just keep going and going like, oh, once he gets his crown back, it's over for Volcanica.
06:39 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_04]: She's done for.
06:40 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_04]: The ruler of hell is gonna be back in action.
06:44 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
06:44 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he gets his ass handy too.
06:46 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because this isn't in the comics.
06:49 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: In my head, I was like, oh, once Mark finds the crown, like it's going to go back to the regular story, right?
06:57 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he found the fucking crown and then they fucking still made him fight with that.
07:03 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I literally thought I was losing my mind.
07:05 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why did we bother with the crown?
07:08 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the point?
07:10 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_04]: and there was no point and that's the basically that's the gist of this episode is there was no point you're looking for it and there wasn't one.
07:19 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But they did do this really cool thing that I enjoyed.
07:23 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They played raiding blood by slayer and like above metal heads so that was that was cool.
07:28 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah the music in this show is always on point no matter what's happening on screen.
07:32 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that song from the first episode where he's like, every run, every run, every run.
07:37 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And now I keep seeing all of the brain rot, which I'm sure we all have.
07:41 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the really offensive things about this episode is that they introduce so many fucking characters that I know were never going to see again.
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
07:56 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I do believe we're going to see Volcanica.
07:58 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to see Volcanica.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to see Satan again.
08:02 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably obviously Damian Darkblood in Satan.
08:05 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We're probably going to see again, but it's like,
08:08 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, how many more are they fucking like like you're talking about it last time Aaron like how many more fucking seed plots do we need right like how many of these extra non important like in some consequential characters do we really need to have in this story to take away from like
08:25 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: we're only like not even halfway through the entire story.
08:32 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: There's still so much to get through and we're just adding extra arcs that didn't exist that also suck.
08:39 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I'd like to add on to that by saying that I think that having a whole episode
08:48 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_04]: maybe that that's why they felt comfortable enough with episode five to make the whole thing just main story with no sea plot which was super refreshing but at the same time you don't need to balance it out we're okay with all story we're not going to lose focus we're not going to drop the show because you guys didn't show us the circuits for three episodes like it's okay like everyone's here for the main story because the main story is so awesome like
09:13 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like older anime that have so much filler because the animation was being animated so fast that there wasn't base material to animate anymore that they had to invent stuff that didn't exist in the story like the whole invincible story is done.
09:30 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If they wanted a filler episode, they could have just done a tech jacket episode.
09:35 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_04]: That would have been a lot better, a tech jacket.
09:37 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
09:37 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Like hello?
09:38 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And they could have actually given us a reason for why they genders swapped an age down tech jacket.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Not that I'd mind the genders swap at all.
09:46 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I do mind the age change though.
09:48 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm getting into that later dude.
09:50 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry this episode means so mad also because I watched the episode and I was like this episode fucking Sunt and then I went down to San Diego before I went to Mexico and I was staying at my friend's house and Oh, he's roommate was watching the episode and while I was taking it nap and I woke up to it And I was like oh, so you're watching the worst episode of invincible huh, and then I went back to sleep
10:14 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I will say it definitely was the worst episode of the series in my opinion.
10:19 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, I didn't find it as rampantly offensive to my eyes and ears as a lot of people did.
10:27 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it was pretty
10:29 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_04]: boring.
10:30 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, the vibes were kind of cool.
10:33 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that the general concept of Mark being in hell and like helping Satan should have been interesting.
10:40 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And as a concept, that's pretty interesting.
10:43 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_04]: But just the execution was done so poorly that it ruined it for me.
10:48 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_04]: It would should have been a seven or an eight of an episode was maybe a five at best.
10:55 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Fluffing up that score to a five holy dude, you hate way more than you need to on this a lot of people do like like it could have been way worse
11:05 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like to the moment at the end where Mark reclaims his old suit.
11:10 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I hate that this was the catalyst for him doing it.
11:13 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I wish it was something more personally meaningful to him than this whole hell adventure.
11:18 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it wasn't this in the comics.
11:21 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just, yeah, if he'd just take it off the black suit and put on the yellow suit like at the end of season three or like the first episode of this,
11:30 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_02]: that would have been fun.
11:32 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a problem that I had with the episode that I don't think a lot of people really had was I found it really difficult to listen to the Damian Darkblood caveman speech for a whole episode, especially when the other demons, well, not all of the other demons, but Damian sister talk like him, but Satan didn't have the like caveman speech, so I don't know.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_04]: It just kind of
11:57 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_04]: The whole time.
11:58 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's very nitpicky though.
12:00 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Also the fight with Cerberus.
12:02 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted more of that I thought that was going to be kind of a cool set piece and then they just Through Damian Darkblood into the air and skipped right past it.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I agree.
12:12 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like it was silly Yeah, there was filler in the filler episode, bro.
12:17 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they were falling for all of It's what I'm talking about like it's so so fucking ridiculous
12:25 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, now that we've gotten our rage out from this episode, does anyone have any final thoughts on the hell plot line before we move on?
12:33 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I don't want to dwell on this any longer than I have to.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I made it 15 out of 10.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Please give us more episodes like this.
12:41 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll fucking kill you, bro.
12:44 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, if you're gonna kill me, that means you got to come up here and you said you would never come to Buffalo.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So, which is it?
12:51 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I said I would go for you or Aaron's funeral or marriage.
12:57 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but you're not killing me in my wedding and you can't kill me in my funeral because then it wouldn't be a funeral yet.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Not if I kill you and then bury you at the same time.
13:06 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, don't do that.
13:08 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Two for one special.
13:09 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I like be alive that I can watch invincible in the boys and like, that's cool, you know?
13:16 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we should play a game where we do live watches of the episodes.
13:20 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And in invincible every time a C plot makes this angry, we take a shot and every time butcher says the C word we take a shot.
13:28 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Two boys.
13:29 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, my liver would be cooked.
13:31 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: At any time, can we also add in any time butchers accent make something completely incomprehensible?
13:38 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Because what would she say to you, Erie?
13:42 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, a duck nicked me bloody son.
13:44 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: What shit?
13:45 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It was he done next me bloody son and what was the other half?
13:49 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_04]: That was actually a way better butcher impression than I was expecting to come out of your mouth.
13:54 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I'm still trash.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I can read dude.
14:00 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you should go back to that you may be angry, right?
14:04 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You made me angry.
14:05 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to make more apprehension like that.
14:08 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And I almost said just a slight chase, but I already know that you know that I'm radiating you because I'm just such a successful baby.
14:16 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: How about we talk about the next damn episode?
14:19 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's let's take a quick break and gather ourselves and we will be back.
14:26 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_04]: and we are back to talk about episode five of Invincible Season 4.
14:32 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_04]: This one titled Give us a Moment.
14:33 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I read the title for the episode four, but it was called Herb.
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't think that that's that important.
14:39 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_04]: But Give us a Moment was really the star out of these two, not that it was much of a competition.
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so let's start off.
14:46 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I've broken this up into two sections.
14:48 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_04]: We can talk about the stuff happening on earth first or we can talk about the space stuff first.
14:53 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Probably start with earth.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to say it.
14:55 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that part about Alibur is very important that Oliver needs his homework.
15:00 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think that Oliver, it really shows so much.
15:04 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: What does it show?
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me.
15:05 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me about the complexities.
15:07 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_04]: It shows that Oliver is a very studious young man and that Debbie really cares about his education and it shows the quality of parenthood that comes from being raised by a Debbie in this world.
15:19 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: By Debbie, the goat you've been.
15:22 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Which, this episode, Debbie went through some bullshit with Nolan coming back and talking to her and being a piece of shit.
15:32 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe I'm seeing sympathy at it's of only men.
15:35 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what are we doing guys?
15:36 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because this is something that really hit me during this episode, especially during his conversation with Art that Omni Man still doesn't get it.
15:48 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_04]: He is kind of going through the motions.
15:50 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_04]: He understands that people he cares about were hurt by what he did.
15:54 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think if you ask him, like, do you feel bad for ripping thousands of families apart and like killing all of those people?
16:04 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_04]: He might be like, yeah, I kind of feel bad about it, but at the end of the day, the gravity of the situation is just completely lost on him.
16:12 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that when he talks to art and wants everything to be just like it was before he committed the atrocities he didn't Chicago, that's the moment for me where I'm like damn, he really, he still has no clue.
16:26 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he just could have to understood, like, not, I'm not trying to take aside.
16:31 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, he's not human, you know, like he's never had to experience this kind of emotion this before, like he's never felt guilt.
16:39 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, he's definitely a product of his upbringing.
16:42 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just don't think that justifies people being like, guys, I feel bad for any man.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely not.
16:48 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, that motherfucker killed people, like a lot of people and for no reason because he didn't even end up going back to the village from an empire.
16:58 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Not that that would have justified it.
17:01 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, there was no point.
17:03 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and since we're talking about his conversation with Art, we might as well dive right into his conversation
17:12 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Seeing the behind the scenes of Sandra O acting that was just incredible, meant Debbie as a character is she's got to be my favorite in the show.
17:26 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and I hate, I feel like I've said this every season, but she really is just the best emotionally.
17:33 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_04]: She has so much presence on screen.
17:36 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what else to say, perfect, no notes.
17:39 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's absolutely fire.
17:42 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She's our goat collectively.
17:45 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna mention something about the comics.
17:47 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Spoilers.
17:49 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_02]: What you got?
17:50 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, Demi takes Nolan back here in the comics.
17:53 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew she took him back, but I didn't think it was like, I figured there was some time, at least.
17:59 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think that he'd show back up and she'd be like, oh, yes, my husband.
18:03 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, it's like very abrupt, and she's like, fuck Paul, I don't care about him.
18:09 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Do!
18:09 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
18:10 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't be saying that about V. Paul.
18:12 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He's always got that shit on, I mean, he told the boys to give them hell, like, he, he's a goat.
18:19 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, art really captured it with his comment about him being ordinary, but that's kind of what Debbie needs right now.
18:26 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But he's a good kind of ordinary, like he's a genuinely good guy who has everyone's best interests at heart.
18:33 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to save the world, but not everyone needs to.
18:36 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Damn, straight.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_04]: He just needs to make some spaghetti or whatever.
18:40 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I keep seeing that in the brain, right?
18:43 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Paul Spaghetti.
18:44 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I really enjoyed Alan talking with Eve on the roof.
18:48 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a nice little moment between those two.
18:51 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, they don't have very much history or really any history with one another, but it was kind of cool to see the two of them looking at the shit show that was Omni-Man talking with Mark and everyone else.
19:04 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
19:06 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a secret from Mark, and I have a question.
19:10 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
19:11 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Would he have stayed and not gone off to war if he knew that Eve was pregnant?
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Chase, you want to answer first?
19:18 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it depends on how they would have been.
19:21 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it would have been dependent on what you've asked of him, I think.
19:25 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it is like that it's the fate of the, at least the world.
19:31 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously a lot of other worlds because if they breed with humans, it's over.
19:36 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like what Oliver was talking about too, or he needs to, he needs to pre-emptively fight this fight.
19:41 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because like ultimately, what's gonna happen if they, if they don't take their easiest shot, when they have the Viltrimites like caught off guard, you know?
19:50 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I, at least in my head, I think he would have gone anyways, but he's gonna be in for a surprise when he gets back either with the news or with,
19:59 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_04]: a little baby at home.
20:02 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how long this war is going to take, but I guess we'll find out either in this season or in the next three to five seasons depending on how many filler episodes they want to put in.
20:12 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully, hopefully, as many as possible.
20:15 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I right, Chase?
20:17 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_04]: We could just turn it into the Mandalorian where every other episode is a filler episode.
20:24 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to see the new Mandalorian movie because of the, I keep forgetting his name.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Enba, right?
20:31 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Is the hat guy from the Clone Wars?
20:34 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
20:34 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_04]: So.
20:35 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_04]: tech jacket.
20:36 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a pretty big character that gets introduced in the last season, but we don't really know a lot about them until pretty much right now.
20:46 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Just a quick recap that last season we saw tech jacket defeat an invincible variant.
20:51 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So that kind of
20:52 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_04]: gives you an idea of how powerful tech jacket is in relation to the invincible variants.
20:58 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Chase already mentioned that from the comics, tech jacket has been gender swapped and aged down a little bit.
21:05 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're a little bit worried about the age down because it seems like they might be going for a romance with Oliver, which
21:14 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_04]: who rapidly ages, who rapidly ages.
21:17 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So if they're both biologically human-wise, 15 years old-ish right now, six months from now, tech jacket is still gonna be like 15, maybe 16, and Oliver is gonna be 20 something, like 25 years old in human terms.
21:34 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I'm thinking about is that they have changed a good amount, maybe not a good amount, but they've changed stuff from the comics for instance,
21:42 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_02]: obviously tech jacket as a whole, and then also like Nolan and Debbie, obviously she didn't take him back now.
21:49 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_02]: They could just say he stops aging around now.
21:52 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That would like really, really change the stuff in the future.
21:56 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_04]: I like tech jackets, support of dad.
21:58 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I would personally be that kind of guy if I was a father, if I would be sending my child off to war at the age of like 15.
22:07 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, to each their own.
22:09 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in the, because the thing is, they didn't change the thing about the dad.
22:14 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: In the comics, tech jacket is like 22 or something, like he's just an adult.
22:20 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a little different, but her being in high school, saving the world, saving the universe, a little, little, little more unreasonable for sure.
22:30 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And even though we saw her defeat an invincible variant last season, it seems like she's kind of powered down from where she was in the comics.
22:39 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
22:40 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that really hurts me.
22:42 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: In the comic stack jacket is very powerful like considered like top 10 strongest people in the series like in the comics
23:05 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_04]: It really made me laugh in this episode when techjacket just gets a fist to the face and has to kind of stand there, not doing anything or float there in space, not doing anything for a face.
23:16 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that, they changed his helmet, too.
23:20 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: She has like that giant, like, front bubble on her forehead.
23:25 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the crumples I would do.
23:28 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Like hard?
23:28 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It really is, bro, like, what was that?
23:31 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know why they would have made techjacket weaker.
23:35 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_04]: for the show.
23:36 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of, it feels a little bit disrespectful to, right?
23:41 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Do a part of it.
23:42 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Do a part of it.
23:42 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: One of Robert Kirkman's first fucking characters, too.
23:47 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, the tech jacket out of it.
23:49 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's old comic bookline before invincible.
23:53 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, really?
23:53 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know that.
23:55 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, interesting.
23:56 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I didn't know the tech jacket was first, but I am looking forward to despite my initial skepticism.
24:02 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with tech jacket.
24:05 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I, there's got to be a reason for all of the, the things that they're doing and I hope that they're good reasons.
24:12 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They also just oversimplify this suit.
24:14 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the suit looks so much worse in
24:18 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, invincible is like one of the only animated shows, I think that is carried by plot versus being carried by animation.
24:26 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, wild.
24:29 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have a problem with the animation the way that some other folks do, but it's definitely not like the pinnacle of animation.
24:36 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, obviously it's not, it's just kind of...
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like season one was like, I love the animation.
24:42 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They gave it so much effort in time.
24:44 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They've most definitely made enough money that they could just make every season look like that in a timely manner if they just fucking invested it into the damn show.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably an Amazon funding issue.
24:57 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They have freaking ads in each episode.
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They can afford to make this shit matter.
25:03 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, definitely just a case of Amazon being a little stingy.
25:07 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know what I didn't even notice?
25:10 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, was like, so rare.
25:12 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, they watered down Eves design too.
25:15 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They took her damn eyelashes away, bro.
25:17 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is that?
25:19 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Did they really?
25:20 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she's noticed that.
25:22 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: She has like detailed eyelashes.
25:24 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then now she just like doesn't.
25:27 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Damn.
25:27 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we should transition into our conversation about everything happening in space.
25:32 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_04]: This was like the big set piece of the episode.
25:36 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_04]: If not, maybe this season, this kind of felt like what they spent a lot of money on animating with the light between conquest and mark.
25:44 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they sure had to animate every single second of that.
25:49 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the end of if I so cool, not discussing it all.
25:53 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_04]: This is another one of the problems with this show.
25:55 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And I promise, this is going to be my last criticism of the episode because I really liked it.
26:02 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that it was super well done.
26:04 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_04]: But I never really know how powerful someone is like when conquest took his hand and just
26:11 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Bam, right through Mark.
26:14 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_04]: There was nothing in my mind that made me believe previously that he could have done that.
26:19 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no reason why he wouldn't have done that in his last fight with Mark.
26:23 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no reason why he shouldn't have done that like earlier in the fight.
26:26 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it just kind of...
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say anything.
26:28 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely agree.
26:29 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The like Viltramite Chop is the most inconsistent thing in the whole show.
26:35 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Like why wouldn't they just
26:41 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but other than that, I think the, like, the reason he didn't do that or need to, like, go crazy against Mark in their first fight is because basically he was kind of Dish like absolutely clap and march cheeks in that fight until you've blasted it with that laser.
27:01 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that like he didn't really feel like he needed to go all out and that like this fight is different.
27:08 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He definitely was like, oh shit, Marcus so strong I can't pull his hands off my neck.
27:13 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:14 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's definitely got a little bit of that like big cat in a more like supply with his food.
27:18 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:19 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, for sure.
27:20 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean like I think in this fight we saw him get desperate, you know, like
27:25 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I also agree like the Viltermite chop shit is the most inconsistent thing in the story and it's like that in the comics too where it's just like Conquest just put his arm through mark stomach.
27:36 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't he just why wouldn't Viltermite just do that all the time like why doesn't mark just put his arm through his face You know like yeah, there's so many
27:46 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you could just, if you could just do that shit and you're in a life or death battle, who gives a fuck if you could learn intoler whatever from the other person.
27:54 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to die, just do that to them first.
27:58 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: My theory is that only really works when someone's off guard, because it's like, I don't know, like, every time we've seen someone use it, like that, it's kind of like a surprise attack almost, like if Mark had been like flexing his stomach, it wouldn't have worked, you know?
28:15 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I was just sad to say that I was like, do you think that if he was flexing his abs?
28:19 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if his abs is the only way that it would make sense, right?
28:24 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why wouldn't they just filter my chop everything?
28:29 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, hello?
28:32 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to admit, conquest pulling Mark's guts out was not the part of the episode that made me like squeamish the most, the worst part for me, as always with these types of things.
28:44 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Was it all over getting his head squeezed, all over getting his head squeezed, anything having to do with like eyes or your face, and that just freaks me out so bad.
28:55 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: None of the gaur in animated shows, but other may be because it doesn't look real.
28:59 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no.
29:00 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't bother me to the point where I have to look away.
29:02 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's not like in the boys where I have to look away sometimes and be like, oh, I just can't none of the boys gore really bothers me either because it's all just like shock factor or like laugh factor or like it's not real like
29:16 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's some like what I was watching like some of the gore in the pit bothers me because that's like oh that could like be Yeah, you know, but like what I watch shows that are just like so fictional I just like the gore doesn't bother me because it's like that would never happen, you know, that's not real
29:35 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the boys occupies a similar space in my mind with the gore that like the walking dead used to where the first season.
29:43 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, oh, that's so gnarly and nasty.
29:47 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you get past the first season.
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, I've seen this gig before.
29:51 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_04]: We've done this.
29:51 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_04]: We've been through it.
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's just keep going.
29:55 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_04]: you get de-sensitized a little bit, but the rest of this of Ultramight Squad, they were not as powerful as Conquest for sure.
30:04 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, Conquest is like a run-in-down fighter among the Viltramites.
30:09 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
30:09 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_04]: So, but they still made it out for the most part.
30:13 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Conquest got his ass handed to him just a little bit by Mark.
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Well,
30:17 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, yeah, it was a bit of an even fight.
30:20 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say that like Mark Loki Was winning that like I mean like obviously at the end of the episode We see that Mark is the one left standing, you know like well not standing, but He's still alive left alive at least but like I Mean like I feel like that was kind of a demonstration of Mark's strength being greater the fact that
30:44 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Conquest couldn't get his hands off of him, you know?
30:47 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, despite literally playing with his intestines, like that, I mean, like for a good minute straight, like Conquest was trying to rip Mark's hands off of his neck and he couldn't.
30:59 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And he couldn't even loosen his grip because he was still like progressively getting less oxygen.
31:05 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I also do want to say that frame of conquest behind Oliver.
31:09 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought, like, I thought Oliver was about to just get.
31:13 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you think Oliver was gonna die?
31:15 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I knew he wouldn't die.
31:17 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no.
31:19 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I did not.
31:19 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if I hadn't read the comics, I would have been like, is Oliver dying this episode.
31:26 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
31:27 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_04]: See, for me, I kind of looked at it like, oh, he really hasn't done enough to earn a death.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he really, he hasn't had enough of an arc.
31:37 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He's not enough of a character on his own to really deserve it.
31:41 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think he waited longer.
31:43 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_04]: But he was definitely in danger.
31:45 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, for sure.
31:46 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not in danger.
31:49 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know we talked about this a little, the other day.
31:52 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you guys think, what do you guys think would happen between a Nolan V conquest fight?
31:58 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Nolan wins one on one.
32:00 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Nolan wins maybe if Mark or Oliver are threatened 100% Nolan wins, cause like that would make him lock in even more, you know?
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to open that question up to the audience too.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Send us a message and discord about that, guys.
32:17 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: In all honesty, I think that's one of the most interesting matchups to think about in the whole series.
32:23 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:24 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's one of the more up in the air ones.
32:26 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_04]: For sure.
32:27 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen a lot of chatter online saying that because Telia, Ellen's girlfriend left them all to like, left them all behind.
32:37 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_04]: People think that she is the traitor.
32:39 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_04]: She's the mole.
32:40 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's true.
32:42 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it is.
32:43 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it's going to be a really boring answer.
32:45 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's kind of my, they're really hyping up this mole thing, but it's really, it's also in the background.
32:52 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think it's going to be anything satisfying.
32:55 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking we won't get the reveal until we're introduced to maybe another one or two coalition characters because I feel like it's just not someone that we've met.
33:05 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I would agree with that.
33:07 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's someone we've met either.
33:08 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think of notable coalition characters.
33:10 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We got we got uh, fetus.
33:12 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We got Alan.
33:13 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Telling about the ultimate betrayal would be if it was Alan.
33:17 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_04]: That's there's like a zero percent chance of that happening.
33:20 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it definitely.
33:21 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Alan, um, and then like the captain, I guess, of the or the old captain of the ship, but like that wouldn't really make sense.
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_04]: He's too stupid to be a spy.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's no way.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm getting at.
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like he's dumb.
33:35 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And he also didn't have a problem serving under the coalition.
33:39 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He just wanted to fucking bomb the shit out of that mirror, I guess.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Or not mirror.
33:45 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever the hell it was.
33:46 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I feel like this is that's not going to be a very satisfying conclusion.
33:52 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Chase, obviously, cannot comment on this because I'm sure you guys know.
33:57 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Techjacket and Allen, they escape on a Vultimite ship using the Techjacket suit.
34:04 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_04]: as a kind of like stealth device?
34:07 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
34:07 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they're doing the Cape Fear thing.
34:09 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it seems like they're on their way to Viltrum, which they are absolutely fucked if they're on their way to Viltrum.
34:17 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Richard, what do you think?
34:18 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Alan the Alien.
34:20 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna walk in.
34:22 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's my goat.
34:24 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about it.
34:25 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I'm calling everyone my goat.
34:26 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Debbie.
34:27 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's only Debbie.
34:28 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_02]: but I think Alan and TechDirect will be fine.
34:31 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they'll find a way to escape, hopefully.
34:35 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do hope that they make it to Viltrum if that's the destination because I kind of want to see what the planet looks like right now.
34:43 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_04]: We've gotten some glimpses at like the throne room and everything.
34:47 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to know what this planet with 50 inhabitants kind of looks like.
34:52 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that they have millions and millions of like slave workers.
34:56 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Those purple slaves, yeah, yeah, but I am interested.
35:01 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to see Viltrim and I want to see that absolutely insane ring around the planet, who knows?
35:08 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's how tech-check it and Alan are going to escape.
35:10 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to hide out in the ring of dead bodies.
35:14 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_04]: That would be pretty cool.
35:15 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_04]: How long ago was the scourge virus like in relation to where we are now?
35:20 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: not thousands, but like a thousand, if years ago.
35:25 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, because it happened when Nolan was like, when Nolan was young and he's a thousand or so.
35:31 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that makes perfect sense.
35:34 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think the bodies would have decomposed, because they're out in the space, so like as long as there's no decomposers, they should still be out there, right?
35:43 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: True.
35:43 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
35:44 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless someone went around and built for my chop and I'm,
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're not flexing their muscles.
35:51 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's probably- Well, they're dead.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, how would they do that?
35:56 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You're silly, dude.
35:56 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you guys think the Viltramite Chop works?
35:59 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that you have to really believe in yourself, if it's half your heels together three times, and then you can do it.
36:06 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to say glory to our goal before you do it.
36:09 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, at least in your head, and then our goal will just do it for you.
36:13 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And you have to rip the little beard hairs off your chin and chin.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes, of course you have to do the mustache reveal.
36:21 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't Mark Viltramite shop conquest?
36:27 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, these are the big questions that only Robert Kirkman can answer for us.
36:31 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll get him on the pod next week, fellas.
36:33 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So is there anything that either you want to add on for this episode?
36:39 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the majority of this episode was just kind of the fight scene.
36:43 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, yeah, I had something small to add.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I did like the scene right before they all left.
36:48 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We're like, they had a nice little family dinner and, you know, it was just kind of like, there was music playing over and we just kind of watched it in a time lapse.
36:57 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was nice.
36:59 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like that.
37:00 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we didn't mention in the post credit scene of episode four, Eve confesses to William that she is pregnant.
37:08 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_04]: William has a new voice actor.
37:09 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_04]: This has been very controversial.
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I do not like the new William voice actor.
37:13 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like, because he doesn't even talk the same.
37:16 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, it's just completely different.
37:18 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he doesn't talk, they say the same type of stuff is what I meant.
37:22 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't even fry, they didn't even try to mimic previous William's voice.
37:28 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_02]: They just knew he was too goded.
37:29 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we're ever going to see this character again.
37:32 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that they have sidelines both William and Amber completely, which makes sense for Amber.
37:39 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Amber makes sense, William though, I like William.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He should be in the show more.
37:43 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they completely deleted the storyline where Amber has an abusive boyfriend.
37:48 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's good, then that guy's a good dude now, hopefully.
37:51 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll just, we'll leave, no, no, no, in the show, in the show, in the show, not in the show.
37:54 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_02]: In the show, in the show, in the show, in the show.
37:56 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: In the show, in the show, in the show, in the show.
37:58 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's a good dude for being like the bare minimum and not beating up his girlfriend.
38:02 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, we're gonna go with like, he's like the most stand up best boyfriend you've ever met now in the new run.
38:10 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's move on to our, how we feel.
38:14 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Chase, you wanna start us off with how you felt on these episodes?
38:17 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
38:19 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: These two episodes have me extremely torn episode 4 being the worst episode of Irrinceable.
38:33 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And episode 5 being one of the best episodes of Irrinceable.
38:38 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of things that really frustrate me about episode four, um, we did talk about them.
38:45 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I won't, uh, I won't stay on that hate train for much longer episode five though, brought back that feeling of season one for some reason.
38:56 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You really felt like they gave the animators time to work on this episode and I really appreciated that.
39:05 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when Mark Oliver and Conquest were on that planet, it just felt like a season one all over again, you know.
39:13 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Episode four probably if three out of ten for me.
39:20 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a failing grade here in the U.S.
39:23 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so fine being about eight and a half out of ten.
39:26 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably would've been a knife, not for some of the wonky tech jacket stuff.
39:32 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, the marking conquest choking scene just lasted so long.
39:37 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it felt drawn out.
39:40 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:40 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Also because in the comics, I don't remember conquest.
39:44 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like conquest put his arm through marks chest and like disemboweled him, but I don't remember him grabbing up all in his guts like that.
39:53 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, it's not that that earth to me is just like it felt long.
39:58 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're just sitting there watching that over and over again, kind of got bored.
40:03 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
40:05 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, Richard,
40:09 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Like two million bucks, this guy doesn't even know me, man, that's crazy.
40:14 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I feel pretty good about the second episode.
40:17 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel all right about the first episode.
40:19 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm not, I already said it.
40:21 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not that much of a haters of it.
40:23 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna give it like a solid five, which isn't, well, listen, listen.
40:28 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You have your opinion, I have my opinion.
40:30 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Trigger warning, my opinion, am I right?
40:34 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You're triggering me?
40:35 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I kind of figured.
40:36 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So I give it a five because like I don't think it was the worst episode of all time.
40:42 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think it was the worst episode of this show.
40:44 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, if we're talking about the worst episode of this show, that's not bad.
40:49 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good show.
40:50 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an overall really good show.
40:52 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've given anything lower than like an eight on this show since we started doing the podcast.
40:59 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's not the worst thing I've ever seen.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's all I'll say
41:05 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: because Chase is just gonna tear me to shreds, if I say anything else, that's good about it.
41:09 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Episode 5, however, that's a salad.
41:12 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a 9 and a half for me.
41:13 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was amazing.
41:15 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, part of the reason why I thought it was better is like, I didn't have any critiques on tech jacket because to me, she's just a brand new character.
41:24 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I get that there's like the comic stuff that they changed and I think it's a little weird, but at the same time, like whatever.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Go on with it.
41:36 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?
41:37 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I see a seven out of 10.
41:40 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, sorry, keep going.
41:43 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_02]: What did you just look through our old out?
41:47 --> 41:49 [UNKNOWN]: Why is this?
41:49 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, told you I was gonna audit you.
41:53 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, listen, I was making an assumption and I guess I made an ass out of myself.
41:58 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my bad.
41:59 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
42:00 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I also agree, the Mark and Conquest scene was just so, it was, there was way more than there needed to be with the, with the, I'm choking you in the, I'm ripping your guts out.
42:11 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not do that.
42:13 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to rehash too much of my hate on episode 4.
42:16 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going to go ahead and reiterate my five that I gave it before.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't great.
42:21 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_04]: It was just kind of there.
42:23 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I would never rewatch.
42:25 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_04]: If I go back and rewatch this season, I'll probably skip this episode.
42:29 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But episode 5, I think really like Jay said, it brings you back to season 1.
42:34 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the violence, the stakes, everything about it,
42:37 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_04]: just felt heightened and like we're back to real story that's moving at a really fast pace.
42:45 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And the world is in danger, the universe is in danger, and we need to figure out how to save it.
42:52 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_04]: So I would definitely give episode five.
42:56 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to say a 9 out of 10 because I also don't have the same like comics connection to tech jacket.
43:03 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So some of those changes don't bother me as much.
43:06 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Although I do think that it's a little strange that they would age her down that everything else is pretty much has been fine and I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with this character.
43:15 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I also thought that I'm nerfing her was just so weird because they're already such a disadvantage.
43:21 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not like they're struggling to make the villain's threatening, you know.
43:27 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_04]: True.
43:28 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that we're gonna wrap up for today, but before we let you guys go, I just want to give a quick shout out to all of the other podcasts in the network.
43:37 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, the ones who make it all possible.
43:40 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Our parent podcasts, the lower-hounds, they are currently doing coverage of the pit and Malshado Lord, which Richard, I think, that you are maybe possibly gonna be in on that with them at some point?
43:52 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I might be.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know, but we'll see.
43:55 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:56 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_04]: and also in the network are excellent podcasts like Woolshift Dust, Star Wars Ken and Timeline podcast, Rings and Rituals, probably Howard movie review, the severance podcast never mind the music, and the latest podcasts into the West where they are exploring
44:14 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Some of the careers of actors who have passed away, and I think they have done one episode on Gene Hackman, and there are more episodes to come.
44:23 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So, links to all of these excellent podcasts and info on how to get in touch with us are going to be in the show notes.
44:30 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And thank you guys so much for joining us on this episode of Invincible.
44:53 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of thank you.
44:55 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You're kid?
44:57 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He hid in one of my trucks and machine gun a bunch of my men down.
45:03 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And I brought him home.
45:05 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Safe and sound.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I've had him spaghetti.