Alien (1979) 45th Anniversary

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome to The Lorehounds, your guides to the cold terrors of space. I'm one of your hosts, David, and for this podcast

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to be joined by one of our other hosts, Alicia as well as a special guest, Aisha from the

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Every Single Sci-Fi Film Ever podcast.

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_08]: We've been working with Aisha on a special joint coverage series to cover both the 45th anniversary of the 1979 movie Alien

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_08]: as well as the release of the newest addition to the franchise, Alien Romulus.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_08]: In this podcast we're going to discuss our personal histories with the franchise and then we're going to discuss various aspects of the movie

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_08]: from the visual style of Ridley Scott to the sinister machinations of Ash, the android as well as the groundbreaking character Ripley.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_08]: On the 18th of October look for the next podcast in the series which is going to be a conversation with Roger Luckhurst,

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_08]: a professor of 19th century studies at Birkbeck University of London and Jason Eberle,

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_08]: professor of healthcare ethics at St. Louis University.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_08]: We discussed the history of the making of the film as well as diving into issues of philosophy and ethics and the cultural and social impacts of the film back in 1979.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_08]: As well, Aisha and I have recorded a short podcast with our reactions to the trailers for Alien Romulus

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_08]: and you can find that podcast already in your feeds.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_08]: The new movie is set for wide release on the 16th of August and about a week to 10 days after that we're going to have a podcast out with our full review of the movie.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I know Aisha has already said that she wants to cover the movie with me and we'll pull in a few others as well so be on the lookout for that.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_08]: As always you can send email to us.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Our address is lorhounds at thelorhounds.com or visit us on our website and on the contact page we've got a voicemail system as well as a contact form.

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[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to be taking feedback for Alien Romulus so do please send in those emails or voicemails once you've had a chance to see the film.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_08]: As always, you can find links to all of our affiliate podcasts, the website, our Discord server.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Those are all on the show notes below.

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[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll have a few programming notes at the end of the podcast for other upcoming coverage plans, different shows that we're covering, different things that we've got going on.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_08]: But for now let's jump into the conversation with Aisha and Aisha.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Aisha, welcome to the Lorhounds and our coverage of Alien for the 45th anniversary. How are you doing?

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing really well. Thank you so much for having me on.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's a pleasure. We had our other conversation which will be sort of twinned with this one with Roger and Jason talking about sort of the wider social impacts and influences of Alien.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_08]: I just listened back to the edit. I really enjoyed that conversation.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was a little bit nervous because I'm used to three people and dealing with a 25% increase on that was quite, no, 33% increase.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was really nerve-wracking. But no, I just listened back to it today as well and it sounds good. Let's hope you like it.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Indeed. Aisha, good to see you as always.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello. Yeah, we've got Aisha and Aisha here. It's going to be like when we have John and Jean together.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_08]: That's great.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But even more of a Tang twister.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And exciting for you two to get to a pod together.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, our first time meeting.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We've interacted because you had a fantastic Flash Gordon original piece of artwork which we shared on social media, which is amazing.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. A member of my family, he was and he passed away a couple of years ago but he was an artist for Flash Gordon for a long time.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, big crossover there. Very exciting.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Bob Fucciattani.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I've been loving listening to your podcast because I've also coincidentally, I've been like going back and watching films like Metropolis and the original King Kong and things like that for other reasons.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's been really cool to have all the extra perspective that you offer.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm doing this just because I've got a really long list of films that I haven't watched so now I might as well make a whole lifestyle out of it.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome to the lore round.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_08]: We had also invited Ron Dawson in and he and I had recorded something, we had some technical issues with that.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And he is actually in the in between cities right now traveling so he wasn't able to make it with us today but I'm going to try to pick him up for Alien Romulus and maybe he can join the recap once the new movie comes out.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: So that said, we are here to talk about Alien, the 1979 movie that kicked off this franchise.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_08]: It's the 45th anniversary and it's a coinciding with the new Alien Romulus movie which Aisha and I, we did a little trailer reaction to and talked about our joint plans for all this coverage.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I think the initial reviews are pretty good so far.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I saw some, there were some early releases, some movie theaters and I think some people have reacted saying that they've been enjoying it.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I haven't read any of that. That's very exciting.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I saw something flash by on one of my social feeds where apparently somebody at this screening and I don't know if it was like a press screening or whatever VIP status or what have you.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_08]: But apparently somebody had filmed on their phones an audience member standing up and starting to convulse as if a chest bursting was happening.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't see the end of it. I don't know what, I can't remember what happened.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: If that was planted or if someone was having some kind of really deep kind of reaction to something.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, right. Well you're like, oh, but apparently that's part of the social media marketing stuff that they've had people like laying around.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Didn't you have that on your one of your reels?

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I just shared it on my stories because I saw a bunch of people lying around with face stuck to their faces like they had a taxi laying about, I imagine it's New York but it could be somewhere else.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, across the city.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_08]: You can definitely pay people in New York to do that.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: The marketing's been great. The trailers have been great.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: My friend, Marcin, who's Star Wars Ken and Timeline podcast listeners will know, he was pointing out that every trailer they release,

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: they like reveal one small little extra thing that just is just a game changer for your understanding of the film.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's been really smart to get people excited.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It is and I love the way they're intertwining the old with all the new stuff that we're going to see.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I just love it. It's very exciting.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it feels like they're really confident and smart and are going to take us somewhere new.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_08]: So let's and that said, we will have a movie review for Romulus a week to 10 days out after the 16th, which is when the official release date is for the movie.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_08]: We obviously had as mentioned, Aisha, you and I covered a sort of a trailer reaction and then we have this academic conversation with two learned peoples who provide some really fascinating and interesting insights into that philosophy

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and the history of the filmmaking and all that kind of stuff.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And then this is just our fan appreciation podcast for Alien, the movie that really changed a lot for us.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we don't have PhD degrees in Alien, but we're enthusiastic is what we're having a happy time.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Street enthusiastic.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We're really enthusiastic.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I think I've watched the movie four or five times now in the last like two months.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Three times.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I was like, okay, which one's the director's cut?

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to watch the.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, let's set the stage a little bit and then we'll get around to our personal sort of histories and opinions about things before we start talking about some of the wider appreciations that we have for it.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_08]: So the plot synopsis and again, oh, right up front, full spoiler warnings for the entire franchise everything from say we didn't tell you.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's exactly the whole gamut.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think we've read a lot of among the three of us here read a lot of the stories or played a lot of the video games as much, but we're certainly going to be talking about the movie franchise.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_08]: So the plot synopsis for the 79 movie, the story follows the crew of the commercial space tug Nostromo who are awakened from hypersleep by the ship's computer to investigate a mysterious distress signal from a distant planetoid.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_08]: During their exploration, they encounter a derelict alien spacecraft and inadvertently bring a dangerous entity back on board their ship.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_08]: As the crew confronts the terrifying and rapidly evolving threat, they must use their wits and resources to survive.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_08]: So the screenplay was written by Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shuset and it was directed by Ridley Scott and this was his second commercial film that he had ever directed.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And it was produced for 20th Century Fox by Brandywine Productions.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_08]: It had about an 11 million dollar budget and it took in 184 million at the box office for the official statistics and ratings and reviews on Rotten Tomato.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a 93 critic and a 94 fan and Metacritic. The critics are an 89 and the fans is a 9.0.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, very, very high. There's a great Wikipedia article about the franchise as a whole. There's books, there are short webisode films, there are fan animation films, there's several video games.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_08]: We've got seven major films plus two crossovers with the Predator franchise.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Alien Romulus is going to be the eighth film and then we have a coming TV series entitled Alien Earth and it's by Noah Hawley.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_08]: He's writing and directing and show running this and it's going to be a prequel that set 30 years before Alien 79.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_08]: So Alien takes place in the year 21-22 so this is going to take place around 2092.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's going to be on...

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we get a definitive answer about whether this is actually in the Blade Runner universe.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_08]: That's interesting. I don't think he has...

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because Ridley Scott, as you mentioned, Alicia, Ridley Scott has been out there and I think these are older comments.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if it was more recent.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not recent but it's his headcanon basically that is the same universe.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess he doesn't get to say it because he's not the only person...

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Steve O'Bannon, Philip K. Digg, they should all have an opinion on this.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: In Ridley... I keep calling Ridley, I find it funny.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it was the besties.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Ridley Scott's head, it's the same universe which as I've said previously, sorry for those of you listening again.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like it but I can come to accept it.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_08]: We're expecting that television show to be on FX on Hulu, Stroke Disney sometime around Q1, Q2 of next year.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_08]: We don't have a specific date yet, they just keep saying early 2025.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm pretty sure Lorhoun's coverage...

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_08]: We have to talk, there's so much stuff coming because we're going to have Andor and Severance

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_08]: but it's going to get some coverage by the Lorhouns absolutely for sure.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_08]: We're just not sure yet.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely adore Noah Hawley.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I agreed.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So one of my...

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got like a top five list of favorite TV shows of all time and one of those is Legion,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: which was all him and then he's done all the Fargo stuff.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just phenomenal in all the TV stuff that he does

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and so I'm really, really excited for Alien Earth just purely because he's all behind all of it.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I'm very excited about it.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we're big Fargo fans over here.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Alicia, you I think are also on record.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a huge Legion fan.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, yes.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I remember.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, yeah.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Marvel meets...

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Dan Stevens.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Dan Stevens, that's nice.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the story.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And Aubrey Plaza too.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the first show I saw her in I think.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah and Noah Hawley is a...

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_08]: You can find him, he's written articles for things like I think The New Yorker.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He has a book out called American Anthem.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_08]: He's one of those directors, showrunner, whatever you want to call him,

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_08]: that if he puts something out I will be there to see it.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_08]: We'll be critical if we need to be critical but yeah,

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to show up and listen to what he has to say.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Hopes are high.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, indeed.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, let's start talking a little bit about our personal histories

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_08]: around the franchise as a whole, not just the 79 movie

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_08]: and then we'll switch into having a more general conversation

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_08]: and sort of gush about the film.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Aisha, since you're our guest here today, why don't you start?

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Why don't you tell us about your experiences with the Xenomorph?

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: With the Xenomorph.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I meant the franchises.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I think I've mentioned this before again

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but for me growing up the two science fiction films

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that had the biggest impact on me as a young teen

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_03]: were Alien and Terminator 2

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and both of them having these female protagonists

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: was very, very impactful on me as a teen.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the way Alien does it is phenomenal

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: because there is no kind of coding of femininity,

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: there's no damsel in distress,

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: there's just Ripley who could be very easily a man

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and I just love the fact that in my experience

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm not saying the sexism has vanished

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and we don't have to deal with all of that stuff anymore

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: but I just love the fact that increasingly as I've gotten older

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: in science fiction there has been an increasing level of diversity

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: especially when it comes to women.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I wanted to read out a part of a quote

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: which is Gina Torres who plays Zoe in Firefly

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and a whole bunch of other stuff

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: in which she talks about how, you know,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: it's really hard for her getting a job, she's very tall,

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: she's therefore she's not really paired very well on screen

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: with romantic co-stars and then she says

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: when you fall within the cracks you say thank God for sci-fi

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because they will give you a gun

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and they'll say go over there and conquer the world,

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you kick some ass girl.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was my attempt at a slightly American accent

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: but it was like...

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Gina Torres though because of Firefly

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and all these other things.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: She's always amazing and stuff.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that was the primary impression.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: As for the fear factor,

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's the film I've been most scared about

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think it really, really terrifies me

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's done so well because it's got that kind of low level

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: psychological horror slowly building

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: to that infamous chest burst scene.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's done so, so well because you have no clue.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The first time you watch it,

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: you have no clue that's going to happen.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing which is quite interesting,

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: my daughter is semi-interested in watching the new release

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and so I was saying no, no, you can't watch it

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: till you watch Alien

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: but I've been convinced by the family that that's not fair

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: but I am going to be sad for her

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: because she's not going to experience Alien

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: as the first of the franchise

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and all the unexpected things

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and the fact that you go from this chest buster

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: which you completely don't expect.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll face hug her to the chest buster

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and then when it sheds its skin,

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: you expect something slightly different.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't expect a fully grown kind of massive

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: scene of off to come out.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's going to be a bit sad

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'm not going to be really, really strict on that

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm going to let her enjoy the next generation of films.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think apart from that

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I really, the artwork in it, HR Geiger, phenomenal.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very, there's something really, really grotesque

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: about his artwork which I think he's quite proud of

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: from what I've read.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's something inherently repulsive I think,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: not for everyone.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also beautiful and there's an artistry to it

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but there is something inherently quite grotesque

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and it kind of puts you off.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I was a teenager

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: my brother bought me a book of HR Geiger

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and I didn't know who this person was at the time.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I was really into like surrealist painters

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and Dali and Margret and stuff like that

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and I just remember thinking,

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: oh I thought that stuff was weird

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: but this stuff is so much more weird.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the themes of sexual reproduction

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and the biological threat

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and that kind of, that line that alien draws between the alien

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and the mechanical and the biological

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and all those things, just an excellent, excellent artist

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: to kind of personify that

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and sorry to be the crazy old lady

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: who gets obsessed with sound

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but the sound in alien is discomfort almost from the start.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They have these kind of certain tones and rhythms

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and all these kind of things

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that just make you really uncomfortable

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: when you're watching it.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's one of those things that you,

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: when you're uncomfortable in the tensions building

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and you might not be able to understand why

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: because on screen there might not be that much happening.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the sound really, really takes you into that level

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: where the tension is building up

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: because your ears are in discomfort,

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you're becoming kind of more tense

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think that's phenomenal

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think the last thing I'll talk about is the company

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: because I think as a sci-fi fan

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: anything that's an authoritarian regime

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: or anything that is, you know, oppressing people

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: or stuff like that, those are really, really common themes

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: in science fiction

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and I love anything to do with the company

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: in the alien franchise.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to know what's going on, who they are,

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: are we gonna rise up

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but never like a direct company

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: or is a company always going to be that figure of authority

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that, you know, empower

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that we can't ever do anything about, which is probably true

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's a nice constant to have in the alien universe.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm curious, what was your first exposure?

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I think for a lot of people I find

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Aliens was the first movie that they encountered.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Did you encounter Alien?

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Were you...

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I went straight to Alien.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, and I talk about T2

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: but I saw Terminator when I was really young as well

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so I've seen both of those franchises in order.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I saw Alien first

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think when I was younger and I saw it

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: it didn't make the same impression on me

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was probably the second time I saw it

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: where I was like, oh this is so much better than I remember

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: because I think I was quite young

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: when I saw it the first time

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: so it just probably felt like a really good horror

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: but like I think it's...

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: As you've said, we've watched it so many times recently

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: every time I watch it I'm like, oh that's quite good.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's always something else that comes along.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Have you watched all of the other primary films as well

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_08]: all of the prequels and sequels and then the crossovers?

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: No, so I've watched all of the films

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: except for the second Alien Predator

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and except for the second...

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think Covenant.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So I've watched Primaeus, I haven't seen the second one there.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a choice between Covenant and Alien 3

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: because I'd never seen three before

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and I've actually got a listener who's like...

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You made the right decision.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You think so?

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know but I remember saying,

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: speaking to a listener on my podcast

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: who said just don't bother with Alien 3

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and then I watched it a few days ago

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and I was like yeah, I can kind of see his point.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but alien Covenant's worse.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You watched them all recently, right David?

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'll talk about it I guess in a little bit as well

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_08]: so yeah, I just wanted to see...

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you have a favourite among those Aisha?

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Alien's hands down my favourite.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Aliens because I like a good...

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait sorry, plural or singular?

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The next one is the first one for me, Alien 1979.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it, got it.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And I do like the second one

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but I just feel it's very different film

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but in terms of which one would I want to sit and watch repeatedly

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and feel like it's a very cinematic experience.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It is alien for me.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Perfect, got it.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: How about you?

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Well I was going to throw the ball over to Aisha

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_08]: and see where she's at because

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I think recently you just kind of recently

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_08]: ran through the series as well right?

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I just rewatched this one

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I rewatched some videos

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_04]: about the differences between

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the original director's cut for both this.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: We all watched the director's cut for this conversation

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and also then I ended up going down a rabbit hole

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_04]: watching stuff about Aliens as well.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And those are definitely the two I've watched the most.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember the first time I watched them.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember who I watched it with.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just one of those things that's always kind of been around.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think I probably watched them in the correct order

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: but I can't say for certain.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't have like...

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like Dune or Star Wars for me

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: so I'm not at the same level as you guys

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_04]: but it is something that's always been formative in my life.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: One memory that's tied to, especially my childhood

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_04]: is we used to go a fair amount to Disney World when I was a kid

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and they used to have a ride that I understand is now gone

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: that was about like a boat ride

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: through Hollywood stuff

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and there was an Indiana Jones section

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and I remember there was an Alien section

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and that was actually...

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: That was my first introduction before I watched the movies

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: because...

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That's wild.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But I always found that like, I love horror.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I've loved horror since I was a kid.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So I found that that was always my favorite part of the ride

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know, but I didn't...

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know when I watched the film some point after that

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: but yeah, and to me the film is never as scary

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: as being in that ride

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and actually having like the stuff dripping on you

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: from the ceiling.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can imagine that being terrifying.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't imagine that ride.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: That's wild.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I loved it.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm so sad that it's gone now.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably because some parents feel like my child cannot handle this.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess yeah, maybe it wasn't necessarily for children.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: The Indiana Jones part was a little scary too.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You had like a boulder rolling at you and there's...

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was so cool.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I love that ride anyway.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so I have a great affection for it

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: but I've rewatched, yeah, the first one

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I've seen the first and second the most as I said

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: but I think I've seen the rest maybe once each.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Do remember, I rewatched some like recaps of them all recently

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_04]: just to put this film in context.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Get reconnected.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and some like videos breaking down the entire timeline

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: of the series to date, things like that.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just think it is watching it now.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been watching, you know, as I said

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been watching some stuff from the 20s.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I've also oddly been watching a bunch of movies from the 70s

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and so it's just impressive to see how modern

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and timeless this is in a way.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Just the way that the characters interact,

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not stagey as it often was in that era,

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: just very natural and human.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we should talk about that later

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_08]: when we get into the discussion.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's one thing that I think

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: they added a little bit more in the beginning,

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: an extra scene in the beginning in the director's cut

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think that's great because that's honestly

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: my favorite part is just like seeing them interact

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and like what is his world like?

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I want, you know, I'm sucking all the details

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: out of the world building that you can garner

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: from their conversation.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what is their world like?

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So this is one thing I'm really excited about with the TV show.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's interesting that Aisha you said

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Ripley could be a man because apparently

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the part was written as a man

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think that that is actually what makes it magical

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: is that he didn't change a single line after...

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Apparently it was written as unisex.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: All the characters were apparently written as unisex

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: so they could all be slotted in as male or female.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I've read.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But the other female characters kind of obnoxious,

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So Veronica Cartwright, I think is her name,

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03]: who plays Lambert,

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so she was supposed to play Ripley

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and was told after she came to set

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that she's not playing Ripley

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and they, well, some people think that

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: they're kind of like the strange dynamic between them.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can, you know, Lambert seems very resentful

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: through the whole thing.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is information from the...

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Roger Luckhurst book that I was reading.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And so she was told on set and the way they chose it

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: was, I think it's one of the producers, Alan Ladd Jr.,

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: went and showed a bunch of secretaries

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: on the lot where they were due to be filming.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like which one do you prefer?

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you prefer like Sigourney Weaver or Veronica Cartwright?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And they all preferred Sigourney Weaver.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So they just changed up, yeah.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So that kind of like sadness and resentment

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: that she may carry throughout

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_03]: probably is partially drawing from something

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: that actually happened, I hope not.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's just a hysterical character

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I have little patience for,

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04]: but then, you know, she died.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, spoiler.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we already get out.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm kidding.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so I find rewatching an interesting experience

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: because I was noticing especially this time

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I was picking up, you know, we watched a remastered version.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So sometimes there were some aspects that were clearer

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: because of the remaster like the whole gag

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: with the head, with Ash's head talking.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That didn't necessarily work so well on higher definition.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_08]: You can see the cut where it goes from the real head

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_08]: to the bacon.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when he comes in and when he goes out.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the only visual complaint

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that I really have.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the only other thing about rewatches

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: is as you were saying, you know,

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the really cool thing is not understanding the morphology.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And when you go back and you're like,

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, well, yeah, but it may have gone away,

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_04]: but we know what's happening next.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So it gives you like a different experience

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: where you're more anticipating like,

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, you're about to find some things out.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But then at the same time,

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm now appreciating more other less showy aspects

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: of the artistry of the film.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Such as?

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I suppose like the interactions between the people

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and how modern that was for the time,

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: like the cinematography can,

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not showy cinematography, but it's very effective.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the way that the timing of things

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and the way the steadiness of it,

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: but then the cuts are very strategic

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and just very well executed.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I also, so one of, you know,

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I said my first experience with the franchise is that ride.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So of course, what I first thing I fell in love with was,

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to pronounce it the Swiss way,

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Giger is yeah, his artwork because then also as David knows,

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, very into Dune and he had a lot of influence on,

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, he was going to be involved

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: at the earlier version of Dune.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It just that the influence of that everywhere and just,

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: you don't get as much of that in Aliens with an S.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I was just really appreciating taking all of that

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: in like especially when they go in

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's the big dead alien, you know,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: when they get off the ship and...

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_08]: You're the engineer.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_08]: The engineer.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that one.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, I'm not as good with the lingo as you guys.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It's fine.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Some people call it the engineer.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Some people call it the engine.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_08]: It was called the space jockey before Prometheus came out

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_08]: and then post Prometheus people started calling it the engineer

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_08]: because people, those...

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Because of that race was bioengineering.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I probably would have just called it

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the big skeleton at some point.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Alien life form.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Looks like it's been dead a long time.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Fossilized.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Looks like it's grown out of the chair.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It's grown to be outward.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it exploded from inside.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when you first think,

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my God, there's a human there and then you go,

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_03]: no these humans are tiny in front of this massive thing.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting fact that those were children.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Those were Ridley Scott's children.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_08]: They're children of production people

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_08]: that were in little spacesuits.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And you did pronounce Giga correctly by the way.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I always pronounce it incorrectly so I apologize.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, I know apologies is just

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_04]: because I think because I live in Europe,

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just what I hear more often.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just his artwork the way it's just

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_04]: the thing about this movie

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and I do love to have questions answered

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: but this movie had so much world building

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_04]: without telling you about it

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and just for instance

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: in these designs of these aliens

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_04]: where there is almost a

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: biomechanical

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: aspect to it.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you know,

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: you just leads to all these questions like how did they evolve?

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: What is, you know,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's it's a movie

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that leaves you to sit

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and think about that world for a long time

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: after which is really something special.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think you'd want to know more

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: about like the xenomorphs and stuff?

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I always want to know more.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you always want to know more.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why she said the lore pounds.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I've always thought I wanted to know more

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's actually I think like

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: the last few weeks that I've been researching this

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like, you know what, I like the fact

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_03]: that we don't know more.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I like the fact that we don't know how advanced

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and intelligent, like

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_03]: it makes it a more formidable foe

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_03]: because we don't

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_03]: know anything. I just

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: recently decided that that's what I like.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, that's also

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I have the same thing with Predator which of course overlaps

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and I, I mean, Predator

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: is just a really fun franchise. I love prey.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Pry is maybe my favorite out of all of them.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's it's the same question there,

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, and then I got very excited

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: about the alien versus predator crossover stuff

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_04]: because that seemed to be a first place

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: answers were being given, but now

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: it's like, well, no, that's actually not canon.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And now I don't even know

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: if the prequels are canon.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think it's like Disney or Marvel where

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_08]: there is, you know, some sort

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_08]: of central authority

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_08]: that's holding this in the same way.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And I believe that, you know,

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Holly has been

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_08]: in an interview or two where he's saying,

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_08]: well, I'm

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_08]: the gist of it, I think is

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_08]: he's sticking more with alien

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_08]: and aliens and ignoring

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_08]: everything else that has come

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_08]: in the movie franchise history.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And so he's just sticking with that

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_08]: aspect and staying away

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_08]: from the prequels.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Even we watched the director's cut

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a scene in there that slightly

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_04]: contradicts something

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: in the lore and aliens

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: in terms of the

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: reproduction with the mother and things like that. So

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, I think

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I just have to let it go. Lucy Goosey.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what about you, David?

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Like a lot of

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't say a lot. There's

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's when this movie

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_08]: is released

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: when do you, you know, at least

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: for those of us of

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_08]: a certain generation

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I was 10 when this movie was released

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_08]: and there was no way that I was allowed

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_08]: to see this movie.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Although that my dad did take me to go see

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Blade Runner, but because he wanted

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_08]: to see it. And so he was like,

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_08]: you know, it was the one time like one of

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_08]: the very few exceptions where I was allowed

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_08]: to see an R rated movie. Otherwise they were

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_08]: pretty straight up that stuff.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_08]: So aliens

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_08]: 1986 James Cameron

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_08]: was my movie

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_08]: and I remember that was a

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_08]: particular summer and that

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_08]: was a summer that will just live in

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_08]: it was just one of the greatest summers of my life.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_08]: It was so fun.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_08]: But for probably all

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_08]: wrong, I don't think

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_08]: my parents or other people would want to

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_08]: know what was going on that summer. It was an amazing

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_08]: summer and we saw

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_08]: that movie. I think we went after work

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_08]: and we were with a couple of buddies and

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_08]: we just came out of that movie. Oh my

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Lord, we were so in hyped

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_08]: and jazzed. It came out in July.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask how old you were at that time?

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, let's see. Let's do the math.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_08]: 17.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good age.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It was an amazing summer.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, so that movie really

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_08]: was my movie and cemented

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_08]: very big. It was just a master

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_08]: class in construction

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_08]: and storytelling.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_08]: But alien like for I think

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_08]: a lot of people and I've heard people talk about this.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_08]: It was just in my consciousness. I

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_08]: don't remember the first time I actually saw the whole

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_08]: alien 79 movie

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_08]: front to back

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_08]: but I just knew everything about it

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_08]: just because it was just so infused

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: in our culture and it

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_08]: creates such a fundamental bedrock

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_08]: of science fiction moving forward

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_08]: from that time point. It was a real

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_08]: game changer as we kind of talk about

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_08]: in the other podcasts.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_08]: So

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_08]: coming back to it now

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_08]: as a podcaster

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_08]: and as

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_08]: somebody who's interested in taking

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_08]: apart the pieces of movies

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and examining them, I am just

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_08]: incredibly impressed at how

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_08]: good a movie this is. It's

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_08]: exceptional from top to bottom.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_08]: The production

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_08]: is incredible. I watched in preparation

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I watched a couple of the documentaries

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_08]: see the beast

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_08]: within making of alien

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_08]: and

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_08]: the origins of alien. So that's

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_08]: the 2003 and 2019

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_08]: documentaries

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I haven't read Roger's

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_08]: book or gotten the

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_08]: cool coffee table book you got Aisha

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_08]: recently, the big one.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that's

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the BFI one?

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The making of alien by John Rizzler

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh that's right and Rizzler is a guy who's

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_08]: now specializing in

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_08]: doing these behind the scenes books.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it's a really great book.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll post some things on

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Instagram. I can share with you guys if you want to share them.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a phenomenally beautiful

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: coffee table book and it's got

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Ridley Scott's drawings

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and some drawings from other artists

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's got so much stuff

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that's beautiful to look at

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and there's plans of

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the Nostromo

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and stuff like a beautiful book.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_08]: So coming around

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_08]: back to this and really sort of

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_08]: diving deeper than I ever have before on this

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_08]: franchise, like I said I'm just

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_08]: so impressed at not only

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_08]: the

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_08]: energy and effort

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_08]: that went into

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_08]: people just poured themselves into

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_08]: making sure that this film not only happened

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_08]: but happened at the level.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_08]: When the

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_08]: studio learned about the engineer

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_08]: set for the big skeleton

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_08]: creature, the studio was like

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_08]: you're going to use this shot once, what the hell?

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_08]: This is an

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_08]: unseen production Ridley Scott was like no we're

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_08]: doing this.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Just in that level

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_08]: of care and craft

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_08]: and investment into

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_08]: a story.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_08]: As a movie, like you Aisha

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I love the whole question of

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_08]: the corporation

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and the evil there

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_08]: so we have the alien species

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_08]: versus the corporation

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_08]: and who really is the monster.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I love the construction

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_08]: of twists

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_08]: upon twists and you have

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_08]: first the real deal

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_08]: of Ash and then that Ash

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_08]: is working on sort of secret orders

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and you know

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_08]: from a movie plotting standpoint

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_08]: that is just really excellent

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_08]: because every time you think

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_08]: something's going to resolve or be a particular

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_08]: way Ridley Scott

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_08]: goes no there's still there's more

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_08]: in the shadows that you don't know yet

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_08]: and so it really keeps you on edge

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_08]: all the way through until the credits

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_08]: really roll. And then of course

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_08]: as you've both mentioned, Geegers

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_08]: whatever psychosexual stuff that

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_08]: he reaches into our collective

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_08]: consciousness and whatever

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_08]: into our psyches and

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_08]: pulls out is

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_08]: phenomenal. It's absolutely phenomenal.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So, yeah in

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_08]: prep I did a lot of

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I probably did more prep on this than I have since

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_08]: we've done we started with Lorhounds

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_08]: and I've really enjoyed the process

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_08]: so I watched

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_08]: all of the seven movies

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_08]: in story order

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_08]: and then I watched the two alien

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_08]: versus predator movies at the end of my sequence

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_08]: because they are kind of

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_08]: not really canon or whatever and I watched those

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_08]: in their story order.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And then as I mentioned I watched The Beast

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Within which is the making of Alien

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_08]: and then Memory, the Origins

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_08]: of Alien but then I also went back

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_08]: and I watched It

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Terror from Beyond Space which is a movie

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_08]: that we've referenced a number of time which is

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_08]: a source primary source for

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_08]: O'Bannon when he was writing the story

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I went and watched Ridley Scott's

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_08]: 1977 The Dew List which is his first

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_08]: feature film and that was really

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_08]: interesting because you can really see

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_08]: his visual

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_08]: craft at play in Alien but then you go

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_08]: back to the Dew List and you see it

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_08]: there and it's a

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_08]: really interesting film. I think

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I enjoyed it a lot. There are some things that I'm

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_08]: like a little bit of a head scratcher in it

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_08]: but I really

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_08]: enjoyed it and then I kind of went around

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I kind of caught a little bit of Dark Star

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_08]: which is an early film of Dan O'Van

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_08]: and that he

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_08]: wrote and

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_08]: acted in and that was John Carpenter's

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_08]: student film

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_08]: but then which again also provided a lot of source

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_08]: material for Dan O'Bannon

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_08]: so yeah I've really enjoyed

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_08]: re-engaging with

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_08]: this world and looking at the

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_08]: wider audience and then suddenly I'm discovering

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_08]: short stories and webisodes

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_08]: and

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_08]: there was a great animation

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_08]: short story animation that somebody posted on our

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Discord server and that was really great

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_08]: and then I think Jason mentioned

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_08]: what was the book? There's a collection

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_08]: of articles

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_08]: about it and I've got it somewhere

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_08]: saved a title but there's a book

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_08]: where a number of like philosophers

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_08]: or other academics are writing about

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Alien, you know

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_08]: examining Alien and suddenly

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_08]: all of these other deeper questions so I

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_08]: just love the fact that as a

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_08]: piece of cultural iconography

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_08]: this movie just breaks

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_08]: in so many different directions and it's been

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_08]: a real joy to

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_08]: reconnect with it so

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I think this is probably a good time for

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_08]: us to take a short break

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_08]: and then when we come back let's start taking apart

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_08]: these different aspects of the film

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_08]: and getting into a little bit more of the details

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_08]: and we're back

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_08]: so there's a lot that we've talked

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_08]: about a lot and I think we've said a lot of great

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_08]: groundwork and then

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_08]: there's even more we can talk

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_08]: about. We've got some notes,

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I think just kind of have a free flowing conversation

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_08]: but I'll start

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_08]: us off maybe by just throwing

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_08]: some questions out or some

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_08]: thoughts or ideas. Aisha

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_08]: when it comes to the visuals

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_08]: of this film and the

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_08]: language, the visual language

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_08]: that Ridley Scott sets up and uses

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_08]: the use of the camera and the direction

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_08]: in front of the camera, what Scott puts

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_08]: in front of the camera or how he uses the camera

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_08]: what are some of the things

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_08]: that really grab you the most

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_08]: or impress you the most

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_08]: about what and we're being very

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_08]: effusive and positive here obviously so if you have

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_08]: criticisms by all means bring those as well

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I'm going to be very critical

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: of this film I'm afraid

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I could try and find something

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_03]: no I think for me what really stands

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_03]: out which

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_03]: films get slicker and slicker and slicker

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's actually the grittiness of this film

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_03]: that really makes it stand out to me

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: there's this realism

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and this is the way they

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_03]: place the camera and it makes it

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_03]: almost documentary style

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean there's all the

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_03]: production design and the set design which is phenomenal

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: but every single time

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: when I watch that breakfast

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: scene before the check

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I just cannot get over how natural

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: it is, it really feels like a bunch

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_03]: of strange, well a bunch of friends

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: or colleagues are sitting around

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and someone's just placed a camera somewhere

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're just doing very very

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_03]: documentary style footage it's just

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so phenomenally natural I can't

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: get over it. There's

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_08]: in Prometheus I think it is

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_08]: they try to recreate that scene and this is one of the

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_08]: things that bugs me about all of the rest of the

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_08]: franchise outside of Aliens

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_08]: and even Aliens does it a little bit

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_08]: because one of the early scenes in Aliens

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_08]: is Ripley having a

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_08]: nightmare that you know the chest bursters

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_08]: happening so they're just

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_08]: they're just sort of preying on the corpse

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_08]: of the original movie in some ways

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_08]: and that's what we're hoping that Romulus does a

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_08]: little bit differently is it's still in the same

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_08]: world but somehow

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_08]: fresh ends up this. Anyway

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_08]: they try to do a breakfast scene or

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_08]: a communal meal scene and I believe

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_08]: it's, I could be wrong but I believe it's

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_08]: in Prometheus and it just doesn't

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_08]: work because

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_08]: they don't do it in the

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_08]: dispassionate camera is just sitting

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_08]: on a shelf watching

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_08]: what would go on and I don't care what anybody's

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_08]: saying. No, it feels

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_08]: too scripted. Right, exactly

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_08]: and in Aliens

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_08]: it's just, it's a bunch of people

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_08]: who just woke up and are

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_08]: they're smoking and having cereal

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_08]: and drinking coffee and

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_04]: the only good thing on the ship.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, get dressed, huh? Okay.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Can I have a sip of coffee?

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the only thing good in this ship.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, I agree with you. I think it's one

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_08]: of the most pivotal scenes. Alicia

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_08]: thoughts on the visuals?

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I said a lot about

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the cinematography before but

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: just yeah, I completely

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_04]: agree with Aisha

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_04]: about the grittiness of this

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_04]: is what has made it so iconic

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and timeless and I wanted to ask Aisha

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_04]: why isn't your daughter, she doesn't want to watch

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_04]: it because it's from the 70s?

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't want to watch it because

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: she's a teenager and if I suggest something

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: she's not going to watch it.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Because there are other like I recently

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: rewatched the

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Superman, the original one

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_04]: which I think also comes from 79

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and that one

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: The Christopher Reeve, starring Christopher Reeve.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess probably there were some before that

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_04]: by the time.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, and I have

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: to say I thought I watched that

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_04]: 78. Yeah. 78. Okay.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So a year before but I was like wow

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_04]: this is aged pretty well and then

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: you know you go and you watch something like

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Alien and you're like well

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: no actually that feels dated as hell

[00:43:13] and

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't like wholeheartedly

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: recommend that Superman to someone

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_04]: unless they are very interested in that

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_04]: you know in the history of Superman and things like that.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Alien, I can wholeheartedly

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: recommend to any horror fan

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that hasn't seen it. I don't care if they're a teenager

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_04]: who thinks old movies aren't cool

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: you're still gonna like it. On the grittiness factor

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_08]: too something that really struck me

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_08]: there's a great scene where

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Brett is going into

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_08]: the room that's actually one of the landing struts

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_08]: with the chains hanging down

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and there's a you know it's raining

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_08]: his face is kind of sweaty

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_08]: and he takes off his hat and sort of rubs it

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_08]: or at the end when

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Ridley is getting ready to

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Ripley. Sorry, yes.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Ripley is getting

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_08]: ready to you know get into bed

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_08]: before she discovers that the alien is on board

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_08]: she just drops her clothes on the floor

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and doesn't bother to pick

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_08]: them up and like that's crazy

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_08]: in space you know things got to be

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_08]: organized and packed away because those

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_08]: can be you know dangerous when you're

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_08]: accelerating and decelerating so watching

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_08]: the the expanse has sort of taught

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_08]: me about physics in space

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_08]: but yeah they're just or just

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_08]: they're constantly smoking or Brett

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_08]: rolling cigarettes

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_08]: it was just such

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_08]: a visceral

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_08]: experience to be with the crew

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_08]: or even on the bridge there's like

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_08]: notepads and pictures stuck on

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_08]: the thing and

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_03]: dangling. Little mementos

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: little kind of like yeah

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_03]: it is it does feel

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_03]: you know it feels like a bunch of

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: people hanging out in real life like it's very rare

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: to get that copied now

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I would love to see it

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: again in something more recent

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_04]: well it feels I mean it just feels like

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think because we get

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that that's shot which

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw you wrote somewhere in later

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_04]: about the influence of Star Wars but we get

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_04]: that external shot of the ship

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_04]: in space and so we see

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the massive size of it and for us

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_04]: like whoa they're in space but it's like

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_04]: for them how long have they been living on

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_04]: this thing it's just like any other

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: house to them where

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_04]: they just throw their clothes on the floor

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and do whatever they normally do because

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: what else would they be doing this is

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_04]: home for work at least

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and it

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_08]: it feels like the Nostromo is a pickup truck

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_08]: right it's like it's just towing

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_08]: something it's not it when

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_08]: it lands on the planet it has all kinds of

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_08]: problems it's not

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a problematic ship the Nostromo

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_08]: relative to what we're used to in other

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_08]: science fiction properties. It's definitely no enterprise

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah it's got a

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_03]: it is something it's not high

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: end technology

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: it's something that they use to

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: ship ship around whatever

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_03]: they're mining for yeah. Let's

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_08]: switch gears a little bit and

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_08]: maybe talk about some of the characters we've talked

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_08]: about Ripley a bit and

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of what she represents but one of the

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_08]: things that I really loved about

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_08]: how the story presents itself

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_08]: is we don't know who the hero

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_07]: or who the

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_08]: protagonist is going to be when we first

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_08]: meet the crew everybody's

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_08]: you know with their management there's management

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_08]: middle management and labor

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_08]: and there's tensions

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_08]: in between them but also comraderies

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_08]: and then we don't really

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_08]: see Ripley emerge until

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_08]: later at first she's just kind of like

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_08]: you know she's like well

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_08]: don't let him in or you know this kind of stuff

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_08]: but it's not until the plot starts to evolve

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_08]: that we see her actually begin to

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_08]: step forward and become a leader

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah that's one

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_04]: thing that's a shame in terms of watching it

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_04]: today versus watching it before

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_04]: everyone knew about the franchise

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_04]: because now I think new people who come

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_04]: to it are immediately like

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously that's the

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_04]: protagonist because it's a Grony Weaver

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and if we know one thing about this franchise

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: it's face huggers if we know two things

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_04]: about this franchise

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_04]: it's face huggers and a Grony Weaver

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_03]: because they don't

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_03]: indicate anything in fact when

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the pods open up the kind of like

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_03]: the flower shaped pods

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_03]: it's Cain sitting there

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and so you're like yeah

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_03]: so then the assumption would be

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: that Cain is going to be the guy

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's the one who acts most heroically

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: he's the one like I'm going to go out

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go and find the you know whatever

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: distress signal in and when he goes in

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_03]: he wants to be the one doing it so

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_03]: they set him up to be a hero

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and then bye bye Cain

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll volunteer to be in the first group to go out

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah that's figures

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: let's get out of here

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_05]: we've got this though we must go on

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_05]: we have to go on

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_04]: it's kind of very

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: games of thronesian

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_04]: very you know George R. R. Martin in that way

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_04]: where the people who are the most heroic

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_04]: like also the captain

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: they are like oh I will go

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and confront the thing

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and they die and Ripley is the one

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: who's like don't let in the infected

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_04]: guy don't you know

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: let's just grab the cat and go

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_08]: which is the one who survives

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_08]: for me on subsequent watch

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_08]: on these multiple things

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_08]: the moment that

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I first detect

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I can first detect or decode

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_08]: what's happening with Ripley

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_08]: is when she says to Ash

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_08]: have you run

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_08]: the

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_08]: distress signal through whatever software

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_08]: and and Ash says

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_08]: well yeah mother tried but

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_08]: so she's like okay well I'm going to go do it

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_08]: and she's the first one to figure out that

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_08]: this is a warning beacon

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_08]: and not a distress call

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_08]: how's it going

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_08]: oh alright

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_08]: that transmission through ECIU

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_05]: mother hasn't identified it

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: yes

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: please do

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Ash that transmission

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: mother's deciphered part of it

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_05]: it doesn't look like an SOS

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_08]: well it looks like a warning

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_08]: and that was to me when the first

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_08]: signalling that you know

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_08]: here is our protagonist here's the person

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_08]: who's gonna really be challenged

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_08]: with facing down the xenomorph

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the thing is also when she says don't let them in

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_03]: as a viewer

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like okay so now I know

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and I've watched it so many times

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Ripley's obviously the ultimate hero

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'm with the guy I'm like no that's one of your crew members

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you're not going to leave them out there on that kind of

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I've watched too much Star Trek

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_03]: because they're supposed to look after the majority

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but they never do they always go back

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: for the one guy

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's like the history

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: of heroism so

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand the other side of that

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_03]: that argument you're like no no you can't leave

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_03]: your you know this brave

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Cain who's gone

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and said he's going to be the one

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: for the distressing and all you can't just leave him

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: outside

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_03]: even though by that time you know Ash is

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_03]: somewhat dodgy so

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: you shouldn't agree with him

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I would definitely agree with that in general

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I probably did the first time I watched it

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_04]: but then I know

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_04]: how the movie goes and so now

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_04]: as this time I was watching it I found myself

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_04]: thinking like well what if

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Ash hadn't let him in then we would have lost

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_04]: was it three people there

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_04]: but the rest and the you know

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_04]: would have been okay

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_03]: well no because of Ash

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_04]: if Ash wasn't there

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: it wasn't causing trouble

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_03]: they blew Ash out and then right

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_04]: like dude you drink too much milk

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: it's suspicious

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_08]: and there is that great scene

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_08]: where he is

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_08]: doing the scientific stuff

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_08]: and I just want to

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_08]: nerd out slightly on a scene

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_08]: that scene where Ash is working

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_08]: on the computer

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Ridley Scott uses the camera

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_08]: as we come into

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_08]: the medical lab

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_08]: facility whatever

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_08]: and the camera just sort of creeps along

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_08]: at this low angle

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_08]: and we're just following and he does this

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_08]: throughout the whole movie

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_08]: where the camera is moving through

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_08]: these spaces and bringing

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_08]: us to something and in

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_08]: the opening sequences the camera tours

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_08]: almost the whole ship as well

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_08]: and gives us a sense

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_08]: of where we're going to be

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_08]: which is really again also great horror

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_08]: construction right like

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_08]: foreshadowing and pre-staging

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_08]: where stuff is going to happen anyway

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_08]: the camera creeps up on Cain

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_08]: and then

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Ridley suddenly there and he's like

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_08]: whoa like what are you doing here

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_08]: he does that in reverse when she's

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_08]: talking to mother

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_08]: she turns around and Cain's just there

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_08]: and you're just like whoa

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Ash is just there

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Ash is just there, yeah he just sneaks up on her

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_08]: so I love the way that they

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_08]: so anyway but Ridley leaves

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_08]: and what does Cain do?

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_08]: He takes a drink of a white fluid

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Ash

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Ash takes a

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm so in the

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like Cain really did that

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah no

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_08]: my brain is

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_08]: working at hyper light speed right now because I'm so

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_08]: nerding out but yeah Ash

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_08]: takes a little drink of milk and it's like aha

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_08]: there it is right there's our sort of

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_08]: first indication that this guy is

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_08]: not who he is because he's in

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_08]: hypersleep with them right and he's

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_08]: eating with them so up

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_08]: until you know until

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_08]: later do we really understand that

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_08]: you know he's an android but he's been

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_08]: being masked and hidden

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_08]: as a human being the entire time

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_08]: so the crew has so we and the crew

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_04]: have no idea so one interesting

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_04]: key inclusion in the

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is only in the director's cut

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_04]: is the scene

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_04]: where she's talking to the captain

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and he says to her

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_04]: that they always had the same

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: science advisor

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_04]: five times he's traveled with him or whatever

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and then two days before this

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_04]: trip suddenly he was replaced

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_04]: did you ever ship out with Ash before?

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I went out five times with another science officer

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: they replaced him

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: two days before we left Adis with

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Ash. I was suspicious

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_04]: from the moment he let her

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_04]: you know the people in and when

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_04]: she's questioning him and things like

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_04]: that I sort of get suspicious but that just really

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_04]: puts the nail in the coffin

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_04]: do you think it's better

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_04]: to have that or not have that

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: scene? I think it's better because I like

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the slowly building suspicion you have

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_03]: first of all you just think he's a pencil pusher

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_03]: or a right jobsworth and he's just

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_03]: you know he just happens to know the contract

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_03]: completely up by a lot

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: really annoying

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: person who likes to stick to

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: what you're supposed to do

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_03]: like yored in the acolyte terms so

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_08]: yored word

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: hashtag so I think it's

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: good for them to just keep dropping

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: these small things that make us increasingly

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: suspicious of Ash

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but at no point

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: in a first viewing would I have been

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like hmm yep definitely

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_03]: an android

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I was suspicious of

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_04]: him probably for a first viewing I don't remember

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_04]: but I doubt that I went there

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_04]: that is

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_04]: you don't even know the rules of this world

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_04]: right

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_08]: well I was going to say

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_08]: what's interesting for me too being now that

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_08]: we're taking it

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_08]: apart and nerding out on stuff

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_08]: and the director's cut I recently watched the director's

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_08]: cut I had never seen it before but

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_08]: as part of this

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_08]: process I saw the director's cut of aliens

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_08]: where there's a whole bunch of sequences

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_08]: of Hadley's Hope and there's some

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_08]: other battle sequences that are in there

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_08]: we see Newt's parents in

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_08]: that cut

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_08]: and we see a bunch of stuff and I

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of have to agree at least with aliens

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_08]: that cut is

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_08]: a lesser film

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_08]: but as a

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_08]: deep lore fan

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and very interested in this world

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I really love those details

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to know more

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_08]: oh Hadley's Hope was this living place

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_08]: and this is what was going on there

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_08]: there's a backstory of

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Ripley's daughter

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_08]: that we don't get in the original movie

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_08]: that's one of the reasons why she's so attached

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_08]: to Newt is the fact that

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_08]: you know she had a daughter that has

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_08]: since passed away of old age

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_08]: because Ripley's been in

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_08]: hypersleep

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: oh I wonder if

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I may have watched

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: the director's cut in that case because the one

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that I watched more recently is

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: it's all in Disney right? That's the one I've got

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah they're all on the Disney channel

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_03]: so we're just such a strange place to put alien

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_03]: it must have been the director's cut

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: because they talk about that when

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: she receives news of her daughter and

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_08]: exactly yeah and I think there might be

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_08]: other intermediate cuts where certain things

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_08]: are little elements are in

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_08]: and out anyway the I think

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_08]: debating

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_08]: the question of because there's two other

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_08]: we've learned that there are two other

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_08]: elements in alien

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_08]: so there's like three things that I am

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_08]: aware of that I've indexed but

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_08]: there could be more, there could be less I'm not quite sure

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_08]: but there's the conversation with Dallas

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_08]: and Ripley in

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_08]: the hallway where Dallas

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_08]: like you said Alicia reveals that

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Kane is a recent replacement

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_08]: there's a scene of

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Dallas being who's hung up in the

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_08]: alien cocoon stuff

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_08]: and then there's

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_08]: a scene apparently

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_08]: which I don't know that this has ever been

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_08]: included in any cut I don't know

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_08]: of a

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_08]: sex scene between Dallas and Ripley

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah that's why it was included

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_08]: anything yeah

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and so but that's interesting so I think

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_08]: not having seen

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_08]: the theatrical release but only

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_08]: this director's cut

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_08]: the

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_08]: element of at least

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Ripley

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_08]: confronting Dallas about

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Ash's status I think does

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_08]: add a nice element I think it does add

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_08]: a little bit something whereas but if that was

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_08]: removed

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I think the shock factor of Ash

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_08]: would be greater because you don't

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_08]: have any clues building up to it it's just boom

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_08]: suddenly it happens well there's still the clues

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_04]: of yeah he's

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_04]: he's being an antagonist although

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_04]: that doesn't mean that you know

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_04]: it doesn't sound necessarily as sinister

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_04]: as he's a last-minute replacement

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_08]: but I love the coding too because he could just

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_08]: be like you said a sort of a pencil

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_08]: pusher you know

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_08]: a nerdly guy he's the science officer so

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_08]: of course he knows the conno, has all the stuff

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_08]: memorized and what not but for me it was

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: when Ripley said to him

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like why would you break

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: protocol and actually I wonder is

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_04]: is that scene where she

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_04]: doesn't let them in at first I think I saw

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_04]: in a video somewhere

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_04]: that that was not in the original

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: that that's a direct in the theatrical interesting

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_08]: okay I'm not sure I'm sure the internet

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_08]: that information is out there on the internet

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: there's a version in which

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Lambert

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_03]: slaps or there's a scene I don't know

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because the version I saw recently that's

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_03]: definitely not in there well Lambert comes in

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: when she nearly left where Ripley nearly leaves

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_03]: them outside Lambert comes in and slaps

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Ripley for almost leaving them outside

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: right that was in the version

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: we just saw or did I see that in the video

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_04]: somewhere anyway yeah not the version

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_08]: that I'm yeah that I saw

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_03]: we need to get all the footage

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_03]: we do

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sure somebody on the internet has documented

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_08]: these differences in between

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_08]: for sure but you know

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_08]: in our conversation with

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Roger and Jason

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_08]: there was something that was revealed to me

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_08]: that I thought was really interesting was that this

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_08]: talking head thing of ash

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_08]: and this automaton

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_08]: and this whole question of truth

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_08]: and having this oracular

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_08]: like creature

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_08]: speaking truth to

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_08]: you know to the

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_08]: supplicants if you will because why do they

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_08]: reactivate them? Ripley

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_08]: knows what the message from mother says

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_08]: but yet they go through the trouble of reactivating

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_08]: and trying to figure out well I think

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_08]: they're trying to figure out a way to kill it

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_08]: of course he doesn't have any

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_08]: information you know he doesn't give them

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_08]: that information

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: there's gotta be a way of killing it how

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: how do we do it?

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_06]: you can't

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_06]: bullshit

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_06]: you still don't understand what you're dealing with to here

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_06]: perfect organism

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_06]: its structural

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_06]: perfection is matched and it bites hostility

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you admire it

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I admire its purity

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_06]: a survivor

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_06]: and clouded

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_06]: by conscience

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and most

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_06]: contributions of morality

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah it's

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_03]: from Roger's book as well that's why I picked up on it

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's very early stories of automata

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_03]: were about magicians who constructed

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: talking mechanical heads that acted as prophetic

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: oracles

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_03]: it's appeared in various accounts from the 12th

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_03]: century onwards so it's such a

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: you know like there's such a

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_03]: beautiful kind of old connection that I would have never

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna start reading books like this

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: on every single film

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be like oh how would I have known that

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: the prophetic talking head

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_04]: this is why I need a button to pause

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_04]: time so I can like catch up on watching

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and reading things while other people sleep

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_08]: we need the matrix

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_08]: technology where we can press a button

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_08]: and download

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: a time turn or a time stone any of the

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: time machine any of these things if anyone's

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: listening out there

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: we can pay some monies towards

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_03]: you know a joint one that we can share

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_08]: swing over into

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_08]: a little bit about the twists within the twist

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_08]: since we've just been talking about Ash

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and obviously you know I think

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_08]: the thing with the Ash

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_08]: reveal in that little conversation is

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_08]: is that the company knew

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_08]: the company knew that this just stress signal

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_08]: something where you know that and he had

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_08]: orders and mother has orders

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_08]: that you know the crew are expendable

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_08]: but that's not the only twist that we

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_08]: get in the movie

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_08]: you know we have

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_08]: then you know the engineer

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_08]: versus the alien

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_08]: the twist is that there's an alien

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_08]: life form right that

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_08]: we think oh this is it but then that's not it

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_03]: no yeah interesting

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah I mean

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I do I am

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_04]: glad that other movies

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: have done a little more work

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_04]: to define the connection between

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_04]: these two but it is because

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I that's what I find

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: very intriguing that's where my mind keeps

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_04]: going back to is the engineers and I think

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: that's also why I felt so let down

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_04]: by the prequels because

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like this is

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: what I was hoping for in terms

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_04]: of laying the groundwork for the story but then

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_04]: it was just so

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: not well

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_04]: done sorry

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_08]: you're fine you can

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_08]: at least in my

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_08]: in this conversation you're fine

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just it's disappointing the writing

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_04]: is subpar and it's just

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: the visual is working on that

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: it's weird

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: shloky is a weird word to use because it is so slick

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah it just lacks

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean though on the writing side it feels shloky

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: visually obviously

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_04]: looks stunning visually

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: but I don't care about any of that if I don't

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: care about the character or the stories or if it doesn't

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the pieces don't fit together

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't the motivations don't make sense

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and contradict each other

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: absolutely

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_08]: then we have the obviously mother

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_08]: secret orders right

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_08]: where you know that it's so

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_08]: that's very much tied in with ash so these guys

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_08]: were doomed sort of

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_08]: from the start

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and it's interesting how Dallas has been trying to get

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: more information out of mother

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and then Ripley

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: sits down and just gets

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: the facts out of mother straight away

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_03]: in terms of the

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: crew expendable

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: whereas Dallas is sitting there and goes

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: what are my chances

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: this that and the other

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: he can't get anything out of it

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah it's interesting

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah and I think that's a really good point because it goes into

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Ripley being

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_08]: our protagonist and our hero

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_08]: is that she's able

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_08]: to ask the right questions

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_08]: to the oracles

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: she's more competent in that way

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_08]: and she's the one who discovers that it's a

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_08]: warning beacon and not a

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: a distress signal

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_07]: right

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_08]: and then of course we have the big reveal

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_08]: of the alien on the lifeboat

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_08]: and that whole final

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_08]: sequence

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_04]: they laid the groundwork for that so well

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: just by the way

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: that the pipes and everything in the ship

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: look so much like

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the alien physiology so

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: throughout everything going on with the ship and they're like where is it

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: where is it

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: every corner of the

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: ship you look at you're like could it be hiding there

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: could it be hiding there so then

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: when she's finally on the lifeboats

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know you're used to oh this is just

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: what the ships in this world look like

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and then suddenly boom surprise

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_04]: it's actually she's not safe yet

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: right yeah and he's kind

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: of sandwiched between those two things as well

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_03]: so it does look like he's kind of part

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: of the ship in a way right

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: sorry it's probably a sheet right because it's

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_08]: hmm

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_08]: this this thing

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_08]: that Scott does which is

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_08]: every time you think

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_08]: you get somewhere you're not where you think

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_08]: you are and so that just continue and

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Alicia I think you're like you said you're a big fan

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_08]: of horror there's

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_08]: a psychological horror that's going on

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_08]: at the same time as there is

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_08]: the body horror and the survival

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_08]: horror which is

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_08]: we as the audience never feel

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_08]: safe we never feel safe

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_08]: until the credits roll

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_08]: and then we're just left stunned because

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_08]: time

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_08]: after time after time

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_08]: we are

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_08]: our emotional

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_08]: tension has just been dialed up and dialed

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_08]: up because Scott using keeps

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_08]: using all of these twists within twists

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: yep absolutely yeah I think that

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: there is so many like different layers to it

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because there's the horror of okay you've got

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: the horror when he first goes in and he faces

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the eggs and then he's been attacked and his

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_03]: you know screen's broken and then he's got the face

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: haggar and then we've got the face are going missing

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and then they've got to go out and look for like there's

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: just all of that going on just

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: with the life cycle of the xenomorph

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and then you've got ash and that's really

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: even counting like the deaths

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: all along the way right exactly

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and very unexpected like in the

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: end it's two women and a black guy

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: who are left that's not traditional Hollywood

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I imagine the 70s right

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_08]: not at all right

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: absolutely not at all

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_08]: and it's

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_08]: when we have

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_08]: with

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm blanking the names

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_08]: the last two characters

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: so that's Parker and Lambert

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_08]: thank you thank you sorry

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_08]: part of my brains but with Parker and Lambert

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_08]: and and Parker's like

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Lambert get out of the way

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_08]: so I can shoot it and she's locked

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_08]: in fear

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_07]: get out of the way Lambert

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Lambert

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: that's when I really got

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: frustrated with that character

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that's my least favorite character in the movie

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: right yeah I also

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: think that's the traditional

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: trope like I think when you're

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: watching women in so many films

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: they're just so useless and it's like

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: do something pick up

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: like something in throat like

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like just move in this

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: case

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: fight, flight or freeze

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: try the fights please

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: try the fight

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: but also that's why

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_08]: you know Brett goes down pretty easily

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_08]: as well he turns around and he's

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_08]: the first to go so

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_08]: doing something silly which is like

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_08]: oh we're on a hunt we're on a bug hunt on our

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_08]: ship oh go chase the cat

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_08]: into this other chamber that you know we don't

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Ripley tells him to go and do that

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: like she's maybe the hero but she's like

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: you know what you mess this up go get

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the cat that is the one time she doesn't

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: is she really

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: the hero or just the survivor

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I know in the Aliens

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: it makes it a bit different but

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: in the first one she's more

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the cool thing about it

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: is she's a survivor because

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: she's the one who is being the smartest

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: about it yes

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_08]: she is definitely a survivalist

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and I do think that this is key

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: to her being written or the character

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: being written not

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: with these like oh let's think of a

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: female character quote-unquote because

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: then the character would have had to have been more

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: nurturing and blah blah blah all the

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: stereotypes and she was broken

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_08]: free of that I think that's a really

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_08]: good point that her

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_08]: actions aren't being driven from

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_08]: a scripting standpoint

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_08]: because that wasn't

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_08]: written in

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_08]: from the start what was written

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_08]: in the start was gender

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_08]: neutral across the board so

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_08]: these characters are just going to follow

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_08]: their

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_08]: non-gendered motivations yeah that's

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_08]: really interesting I didn't sort of thought of it

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_08]: that way because if he had written her

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_08]: if the character of Ripley

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_08]: or whatever the chief warrant officer of the pilot

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_08]: because Ripley is the pilot of the Nostromo

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_08]: whomever the pilot was

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_08]: if that was going to be the hero

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I think as you say

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_08]: had that character been written as a woman

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_08]: it would be an entirely different

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_08]: it would be completely different

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: it feels like Lambert was

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: written as a woman no

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: or did they just

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_08]: well I think that's interesting because then you get into that production detail of the fact that you know was she

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_08]: was her attitude on screen

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_08]: because she got bumped from

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_08]: the prior role

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: well I mean but did she I think she played the role

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that she was given to play right

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah she plays the role very well

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: is it

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: like I'm just trying to imagine her role

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: as male and it's difficult to do that

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: because she's doing such stereotypically

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: old-school female things

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: right like the slapping yeah

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: it's difficult to imagine her as a male

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: whereas imagining Ripley as a male is probably quite easy

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: right

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think it's also

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: beautiful just on a

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: like they're saying unisex but if it was

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: a man and then you've got mother

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: as the kind of like the

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: computer and you've got all the kind of

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: reproduction stuff and but it's just

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: it makes so much more sense

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_03]: in terms of

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: you know the overarching themes

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: for it to be a woman who's

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the main character

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_08]: right

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_08]: which I think they squander

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: in the subsequent films

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_08]: from three on

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_08]: and it gets really weird especially

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I think

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_08]: whereas at resurrection is

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_08]: just ridiculous

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_08]: in where we started this

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_08]: great place

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_08]: with alien and then

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_08]: aliens were challenging

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_08]: the traditional

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_08]: gender roles where

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Ripley goes with the Marines

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_08]: and even with the Marines

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: there are sort of these very

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_08]: coded masculine women right

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_08]: you know with like Vazquez

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_08]: but you know

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_08]: then the rest of the films just

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_08]: squander that whole

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_08]: legacy

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_08]: and especially

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_08]: resurrection where it just

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know I think I should did you

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_08]: say that it wasn't as it didn't strike you

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_08]: as bad I thought it was just horrible

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_08]: and I thought it was actually a backwards

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_08]: it actually took us backwards rather than

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_08]: forwards in in terms of

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I just said it was as bad as three

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_08]: okay

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_08]: on record

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_08]: three I felt had a little bit of hearts

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_08]: but it ultimately I think the ending

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_08]: of it fails for me

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I had to forward a few bits

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Alicia where

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_08]: where well you said you

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_08]: hadn't freshly watched all

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_04]: no I haven't I don't

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: really for me three and four

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: honestly blend together I think

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: there are there's some repetitive plot

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_04]: elements to understand absolutely

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I have a hard time separating

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: those two in my head I also have a hard

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: time separating the two prequels in my head

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: they kind of run together for me

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: right right and it's interesting about

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: for three isn't it that they

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just reading that they were originally

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: going to have a colony of monks rather

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: than prisoners and they kind of went for a

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: halfway house because these are

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_03]: prisoners who are

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: who are kind of like

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of a bit religious because they've got this

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_08]: right they take up the legend

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_08]: is a way to I don't want to say justify

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_08]: their existence but to give them a center

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_08]: to their existence yeah yeah

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: but and I love Charles dance so

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say that it was nice to see

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: him agree on screen but

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah no and I think it was Fincher's

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_08]: first directorial

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_08]: French or you know feature

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: okay so we'll

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: give him a pass there yeah

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_08]: a little bit so

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_08]: one of the things I was thinking

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_08]: about too when we were coming

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_08]: around this that Aisha you may have a

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_08]: little bit more of a perspective on

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_08]: this but in terms of

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_08]: other science fiction

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: movies and things that

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_08]: were plot

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_08]: devices like certainly the face

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_08]: hugger and the chest bursting

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_08]: are you know from a horror standpoint

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_08]: and with sci-fi a little bit

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_08]: those those really changed

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_08]: the game but I was trying to think of

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_08]: the whole blow it out of the airlock

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_08]: and we've got to go total

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_08]: destruction self

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_08]: destruct thing are those elements

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_08]: pre existing in sci-fi

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I was trying to

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_08]: think about what other films might have

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_08]: used similar devices

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not really sure

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I'm trying to think

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: of stuff now but my head

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: so stuck in the first half of the 20th

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: century that I'm trying to think

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that it's definitely

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: not something I've seen recently

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah because I think

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_08]: that these are innovations

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_08]: in the genre

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_08]: in terms of blow it out

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_08]: the airlock and that is just such a

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_08]: common thing

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_08]: except for I mean but that's what

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_08]: they try to do in it

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_08]: tear from beyond space and so I think

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that's 1958

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: so yeah a bit of

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: a gap between those two

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the thing is when I've been doing my research

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I just find like even this right like Van Vogt

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: sued

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_03]: the company

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: not the company but Fox

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and got 50 dollars

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah so Van Vogt is a pulp fiction

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and sorry

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: science fiction stories

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: he sued

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the franchise I believe in the 80s

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_03]: he sued them

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: at some point and got 50 thousand dollars

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: for

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: they said no no no it didn't happen and they settled out of court

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but as we've mentioned before

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Dan O'Bannon has always said

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: that he takes his ideas from

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: previous

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: things that have inspired him as he's been

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: living his life I guess

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and a lot of the times when

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been doing research for Michael

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: podcasts I just find that so

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: much stuff comes from

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: you know pulp fiction

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: from late 19th century

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: early 20th century that it's

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: very rare for me to now be like yes

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that's completely original because I'm always like I bet there's a

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: pulp fiction story where that's

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: happened before

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah so we should maybe

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: do a bit more research just to find out

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: if that's fully true

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_08]: and that's why I kind of left it open as a question

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_08]: because where did we

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_08]: first see these things and you know

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_08]: what are the roots or the elements

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_08]: for that so

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_08]: because I can't think of another

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: film where total destruction

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_08]: or self-destruct you know in all

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_08]: alien movies that's the only

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_08]: way is to nuke it from orbit

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_08]: you know that's the only way to be sure so to speak

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_08]: and again with

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_08]: blowing out the air I just wanted to reference really quick

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_08]: for then vote

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_08]: that is

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_08]: V.A.

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: or sorry

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: A.E. is his first initials

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_08]: van and V.O.G.T

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_08]: is his last name so if you

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_08]: google for V.O.G.T. sci-fi

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_08]: you'll find

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_08]: articles on it

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: is he Dutch?

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_08]: it looks like

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's probably American with some kind of background

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: of somewhere like he's a really good guy

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_08]: his nationality is American yeah

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: okay

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_08]: so wherever he came from pre-Manitoba

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: he has had Dutch parents

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I just pulled up his

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: it's very Dutch last name

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: any other

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_08]: thoughts on how

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_08]: this film connects

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_08]: to the wider or impacted

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_08]: or was influenced

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Alicia Zerny anything that you can

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_08]: pull out for yourself where you see

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_08]: some favorite topic

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_08]: or movie

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_08]: you know like

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: sorry my alien is making sounds in the background

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_08]: well apparently cats can't be

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_08]: impregnated

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_08]: only dogs can be

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if that's canon

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Jonesy got lucky

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_08]: well I think maybe that's why the alien just regards it

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_08]: and says you're not an appropriate host

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_08]: so

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously I said Giger

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: but he brought

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that to the table and it continues to influence

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of other things

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I think just in general

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe making

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: space less

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Star Trek shiny

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and more visceral

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and lived in more realistic

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_04]: in a way

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I think yeah just

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: in terms of the pacing

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and reveals and twists

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_04]: of the I think it's influenced

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of thrillers

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_08]: and this is another I guess interesting

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_08]: open question is

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_08]: how many other films

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_08]: really

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_08]: bridge the sci-fi

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_08]: between sci-fi and horror

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_08]: together I mean there must be

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the whole 50s is like

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: movies which are you know

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: invasion of the body

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: when you watch it now it's nowhere

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: near as scary as it may have been

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: or sensibilities have changed

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: or the sensors allow us to show more

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever it is but yeah

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that's been going for I mean Frankenstein

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: like it's a long history of that

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the grittiness is really interesting

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: because then when Ridley Scott goes on to make

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Blade Runner

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: it's still got those that grittiness

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: to it right like he I mean that's

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: far more goes into that kind of

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: noir kind of feel of things with the

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Femme Fatale and the piece I

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: love that kind of cross things but

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: it's interesting how those two films

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: really

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they it'd be interesting to know if

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: anything before that does have that

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: feel

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: because the alien isn't a big B

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: movie rubber suit I mean yeah it's a rubber

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: suit but it's not that kind of

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: like googly eyes or whatever it is

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: so it changes it makes it

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: more gritty and it's body

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_08]: horror deeply deeply

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_08]: very sexual obviously

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: but what about like

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: where does when was

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Brazil released for instance

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I imagine that's going to be 80

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: at least let's have a quick look

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah google here

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: they definitely influenced each other but I think

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: you're right that it was alien influence

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah alien and influencing

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Gillam

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_08]: one that struck me the other day

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_08]: was Outland which was

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_08]: a Sean Connery film 1981

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_08]: and it's he's a Marshall

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: on a space binding operation

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_08]: on I.O. and it's really

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_08]: a kind of a murder mystery

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_08]: and nefarious drug dealers

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of thing but again

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I was trying to think of films that

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_08]: became gritty because

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_08]: where we're

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_08]: science fiction where space

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_08]: science fiction lost its shiny

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_08]: white gleaming you know star wars

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: right I see you have 2001

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: space Odyssey on here and that's definitely

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I would say very shiny

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: well

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_08]: the influence on

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_08]: of 2001 and

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_08]: a new hope to

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_08]: specifically the visual imagery of

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_08]: big ships flying by

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: right but I would say that those two

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: films are less shiny

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: perhaps than what came before them

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_04]: you know

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: just because it shows

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: like for instance star wars shows

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: you know the garbage compactor which of course

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: the spaceship needs a garbage compactor

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: relevant to what we're talking about now

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_08]: that's actually I never thought about that

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_08]: that's brilliant actually the fact that we get

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_08]: to see the underworkings of the Death Star

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_08]: of course there's a

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_08]: you know

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah and that makes it seem really

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_08]: interesting it makes it feel

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: more a little more real a little more

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah like oh maybe I could be

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Leia on this adventure

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: right I forgot to grow up a princess

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: of all around

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Aisha from your perspective

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_08]: because you are on this incredible journey

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_08]: of uncovering

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_08]: our deep roots in science fiction

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_08]: and doing this kind of research

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_08]: where how are you

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_08]: feeling about alien relative to

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_08]: and like you said you're still early

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_08]: 20th century right now but

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: where you're to me because

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm about to head into the golden era

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: of science fiction which is the 1950s

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: all of these BOO movies how am I going to go through

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: how many of them am I going to go through

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's going to have a very similar

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: sci-fi horror kind of like

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: slant to alien

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's going to be all bug eyed

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know it's the special effects

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: for the time might be great but it's

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be I mean

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: you can't compare it to the gritty

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: gritty realism of this science

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: fiction film so it's interesting that I'm watching

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: it just as I'm heading into that

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: similar because they you know

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: they say with Dan O'Bannon

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and with you know Ridley Scott

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: okay he said it's a psychological horror

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but he really wanted to make sure that the alien

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't going to be one of those

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of schlucky B movie

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: monsters so

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: right yeah those influences

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: are definitely there in Alien

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_08]: great well

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I think is a good point to

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_08]: wrap it up any final thoughts

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Alicia or Aisha

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_08]: you guys excited for Romulus I assume

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_08]: very much so

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_08]: a bit too much

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean yeah my friend Marcia said

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_04]: manage my expectations

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: my friend who said that

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: it's the film he's been most excited

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: for for five years which

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: arbitrary number but still

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah for me I think

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_04]: like the cool thing about Romulus

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_04]: is just seeing I'm so

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't like when

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_04]: trailers show too much but I'm so glad they gave

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: teases like they showed a unique

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: way of the chest burst are coming out

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_04]: so just gives me faith

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that they are marrying

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: what makes this franchise

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: iconic with

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: new takes on it so it's not like

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah okay we get it

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Aliens greatest hits yeah

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: it feels like it's going to be

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: feel like it's part of this world

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and but a fresh

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: take that fills it out the world

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah for sure I agree

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_08]: good

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_08]: alright well thanks for

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_08]: joining in on this this conversation

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_08]: for Alien 45th

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_08]: we have to figure out when Aliens

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_08]: is going to have an anniversary

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_08]: and then maybe

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_08]: talk about that then but we'll be back

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_08]: with Alien Romulus for sure

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Aisha from every single

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_08]: why don't you give a quick plug for every single sci-fi

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_08]: film ever Astris

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah the asterisk

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the asterisk is because it's almost

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: every single sci-fi film ever

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but I thought of the name before I'd

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah come up with the logistics so

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: head over to

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: every sci-fi film

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_03]: or every sci-fi film on instagram

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and I keep up to date with what I'm researching

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and you can watch or listen there

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and the next episode

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: is going to be out on the 18th

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: starring David

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: as well as

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: well that's starring

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah her hosting with Roger

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Lutkhurst and Jason

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Aburo great and

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Aisha I know we all do a

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_08]: bit of outro with it with some more stuff

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_08]: later

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: well I just want to first do a shout out

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: for both of

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the other feeds will shift dust

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a new

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a new episode

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: breaking down what we learned from

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Comic Con about the season 2 of

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Silo and we got big news

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: including it's coming out November 14th so

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that's one piece of big news

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and also we got a

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: major casting news in terms of

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a huge character from

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: the second season from the book

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: who is going to be played by Steve Zahn

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's perfect casting so

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Luke and I get into all that

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and then on the Star Wars canon timeline

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast I'm currently

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_04]: doing a two part series with Marilyn

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: where I've flashed back to the old Republic

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and Marilyn and I are talking

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: about canon myths

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: of the old republic so

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: these yeah as we get really into

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: what is

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the nature of a myth versus a legend

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: versus a folklore and what

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: can we take as truth and

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: we're going deep on like

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the Sith rituals

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and things like that and flood myths

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and things like that so

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: definitely recommend checking that out and there's going to be

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: an old republic

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: mailbag episode in between

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: so for anyone who sent in for that you can

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_04]: expect that there

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and so I'm looking

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: for it to Silo I'm looking forward to before that

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Agatha all along is looking really good

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you and I are going to do

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Dune Sisterhood very excited about that

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_04]: when is that out?

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Dune Sisterhood? November

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_04]: is all we know we don't have an exact

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: date yet and

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm so excited for the

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_04]: new skeleton crew looks amazing

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how we're going to be able

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_04]: to cover that because it's coming out in December

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: but there's

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be some coming out. You don't have any cloning technology

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and also just skipping

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_04]: it's got to be a life day tie in

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_04]: which is the Star Wars Christmas basically

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: but yeah and I'm

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: also looking forward to

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Beetlejuice Beetlejuice we're going to do

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_04]: a one shot for that and also

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: for Wicked I'm

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_04]: a big fan of the books

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: fan of musical and excited

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_08]: about the movie. So pretty light winter

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_08]: fall and winter not too much going on

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a stack of books I'm re-reading

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: on my coffee table right now

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_04]: so I can

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast about them.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Perfect. Well thank you both

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_08]: so very much I'm so glad you guys had

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_08]: an opportunity to get a microphone

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_08]: together and

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Aisha we'll

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_08]: be talking to you soon we'll come up

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_08]: with some other more joint projects to cover

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_08]: when I'm sure as

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_08]: time allows. Thank you so much

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: it's been absolutely wonderful. I'm excited to keep listening to your podcast.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Indeed. We'll see you on the next one. Thanks everyone. Thank you. Bye.

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Thanks again to Aisha

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_08]: for all her help

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_08]: in producing

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_08]: and organizing our

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_08]: special joint coverage it's been a lot of fun

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_08]: doing that project with her

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_08]: and definitely check out every single

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_08]: sci-fi film ever

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_08]: podcast it's a great

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_08]: resource it's an amazing

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_08]: project and we're so glad

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_08]: to be friends with Aisha

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_08]: and all the work that she's doing over there.

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