Doctor Who - Christmas Special 2024 - Joy to the World

Elysia and John recap this year's Doctor Who Christmas special. It's the first Christmas special of the 15th Doctor's era without onboarding, and we're here to celebrate Nicola Coughlan's performance, Ncuti Gatwa's emoting skills, and a very on-theme Christmas episode.

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[00:00:17] Hello, Whovians, new and old, Alicia here.

[00:00:20] With John, and We're The Lorehounds, your guides to the timey-wiminess of the universe, here to discuss the 2024 Doctor Who Christmas Special, Joy to the World.

[00:00:30] Holy Nicola Coughlin, that was fun. Who's ready to unlock the secrets of time?

[00:00:35] Stick around until the end for more information about what's going on in the network and how you can be a part of it.

[00:00:42] So, we're gonna start with some spoiler-free hot takes for anyone who's like, I don't know, should I jump in here?

[00:00:49] And we'll let you know before we get into the spoilers themselves.

[00:00:53] But, John, what are your overall spoiler-free thoughts on this episode?

[00:00:57] This Doctor Who episode is like a lot of Doctor Who episodes for me, where I'm like, if this were another universe, this might not land.

[00:01:05] But it works as a Doctor Who camp Christmas special.

[00:01:08] Right.

[00:01:10] You know, like this is, this is peak Doctor Who, like an insane premise, a lot of wackiness, a lot of the Doctor oscillating.

[00:01:20] Yeah, a lot of the Doctor oscillating between like, wacky guy just running around explaining things, over-explaining things, like you just said, hand-waving.

[00:01:32] And then suddenly being very emotional.

[00:01:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:01:35] And that, that to me is probably like peak new who.

[00:01:39] Right.

[00:01:40] Yeah.

[00:01:40] My sister, I have to say she saw, I showed her the trailer for this and she's like, well, I see he's still crying.

[00:01:48] This is the crying Doctor for sure.

[00:01:50] I don't, I don't think we've seen any other Doctor.

[00:01:52] I think probably 10 comes second, but I don't think we've seen any other Doctor cry as much.

[00:01:57] He's in touch with his emotions.

[00:01:58] And this is kind of about him getting in deeper touch with his emotions.

[00:02:02] Yeah, it was, I liked how tongue in cheek it was about the hand waviness.

[00:02:07] You know, we'll talk a little bit about a couple examples when we get into it, but I thought it was self-aware, but also, yeah, it was cheesy, but in the way that a Doctor Who Christmas special is supposed to be.

[00:02:20] So for me, it worked.

[00:02:23] To whom would you recommend this episode?

[00:02:29] Ooh, honestly, I think this one is more for the established Whovians than it is for new people.

[00:02:34] I don't think this is as good of an onboarding point as last year's Christmas special.

[00:02:39] Uh huh.

[00:02:40] How about you?

[00:02:41] Do you think you need to have seen other episodes to enjoy this one?

[00:02:45] No, I don't think you need to, but I think there's gonna be a lot you're gonna miss, like a lot, a lot.

[00:02:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:51] Compared, again, last year felt like it was new era of Who, new Doctor.

[00:02:55] We're gonna onboard you.

[00:02:56] This one is really like...

[00:02:57] And they explain things, yeah.

[00:02:58] Yes, exactly.

[00:02:59] This one, no explanation, you're going right in.

[00:03:01] All you could tell from this, he doesn't even say the word Time Lord, right?

[00:03:05] He just, this guy, for some reason, knows things about time travel, has a blue box, and cries a lot.

[00:03:13] Okay.

[00:03:13] That's basically all you learn about this guy, right?

[00:03:16] He doesn't have chairs.

[00:03:17] Uh huh.

[00:03:17] He doesn't have chairs, yeah, that's important.

[00:03:20] Um, yeah, I mean, I guess for onboarding, the last one was definitely better in that regard, because it was specifically designed to bring in new fans.

[00:03:29] So definitely recommend people check that out.

[00:03:32] Uh, Hed Singing Goblins, I liked the last one more than you did.

[00:03:36] Mm-hmm.

[00:03:36] So onboarding aside, how do you think this one stacks up to other, to that Doctor Who Christmas special and others in the past?

[00:03:45] I think I did like the last one better, to be honest with you.

[00:03:47] Okay.

[00:03:48] It did feel more cohesive.

[00:03:49] I think this one had some pacing issues that really, um, made it a little bit hard to get into at first.

[00:03:56] I did get into it by the end, but I do think the other one had a better structure and a better gambit.

[00:04:04] Yeah.

[00:04:05] Yeah.

[00:04:05] How about you?

[00:04:06] I mean, I like this one.

[00:04:08] Uh, you know what my favorite is?

[00:04:10] It's actually a new year special.

[00:04:11] What is it called?

[00:04:12] It's the one with the time loop with the Daleks.

[00:04:14] Oh, that's a really good one.

[00:04:15] Yeah.

[00:04:16] That's a really good one.

[00:04:16] And it's funny because that's part of the Jodie Whittaker era, which I think Jodie Whittaker is a great undervalued doctor.

[00:04:23] Mm-hmm.

[00:04:23] But, uh, we have talked previously about how that wasn't necessarily the strongest writing.

[00:04:28] Correct.

[00:04:29] Yeah.

[00:04:29] Of New York history.

[00:04:30] So this was, you know, this was after that whole flux storyline that I personally really struggled through.

[00:04:36] And then suddenly we got this, uh, we got this great time loop New Year's Eve special in this case.

[00:04:42] And it was like, oh, wow, we're back.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:45] And, and that was also in the era where, and I know this made a lot of people mad because Doctor Who had had Christmas specials like forever.

[00:04:51] Right.

[00:04:51] At least.

[00:04:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:04:52] And this was when, uh, Chris, what's his name now?

[00:04:56] I've purged him from my memories.

[00:04:58] Chris Chibnall.

[00:04:59] Chris Chibnall was just like, no, we're doing holiday specials now.

[00:05:03] Right.

[00:05:03] It, look, I think, I think inclusivity is important.

[00:05:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:05:07] We'll say the Doctor Who Christmas specials were never religious.

[00:05:10] So I don't think that was the problem.

[00:05:12] Right.

[00:05:12] Um, it was, it was more just like a ritual, like December 25th every year, we're all going to gather around.

[00:05:17] Right.

[00:05:18] And we're going to watch this guy, this mad man in a box, go on a wacky adventure.

[00:05:22] Mm-hmm.

[00:05:22] And what, what's always fun about them is you always get some kind of like new companion that's going to be a one-off companion.

[00:05:31] Right.

[00:05:31] I feel like you often get that at least.

[00:05:32] Right.

[00:05:33] Uh, and, and you're always charmed by them.

[00:05:35] And then for some reason they can't go with the doctor and you're like, oh, uh, so that's kind of just what you got to expect.

[00:05:40] So when I see Nicola Coughlin on this, I'm like, well, I wish she were a long-term companion.

[00:05:45] Right.

[00:05:46] But whatever happens with her, I'm going to have a good time.

[00:05:48] Right.

[00:05:49] She's busy.

[00:05:50] She's, she's doing quite well.

[00:05:51] Right.

[00:05:52] Right.

[00:05:52] Exactly.

[00:05:52] Um, I love the introduction in this.

[00:05:55] We're obviously going to talk about this more on the spoiler side of things, but, uh, I love the introduction of the time hotel.

[00:06:00] So I have to ask where would you go first in the time hotel?

[00:06:05] Ooh, the, uh, study of J.R.

[00:06:07] Tolkien in 1950.

[00:06:10] Okay.

[00:06:13] Oxford, Oxford to sit.

[00:06:14] No, I take that back.

[00:06:17] Oxford in the 1940s to have tea with the, uh, Inklings.

[00:06:24] Okay.

[00:06:25] Yeah.

[00:06:26] I would, I would choose first to go to the future, but I don't even know if that's an option.

[00:06:30] We didn't really see that.

[00:06:31] Um, if you can only go to the past, I think I might go meet Barack Spinoza from the 17th century in Amsterdam.

[00:06:41] Okay.

[00:06:41] So I'd be very curious to pick his brain and just see Amsterdam in the golden age.

[00:06:48] Yeah.

[00:06:49] Or we could go to the Christmas, 20, 24 room, meet up with a doctor, become companion.

[00:06:57] Oh, there we go.

[00:06:58] There's an awful lot of running involved.

[00:06:58] And I don't know if I can handle that.

[00:07:00] Hmm.

[00:07:01] Yeah.

[00:07:02] I'm a little out of shape, but maybe that would be good for me.

[00:07:05] The doctor who, the doctor who regime.

[00:07:09] Exactly.

[00:07:10] Richard Simmons, watch out.

[00:07:12] And Shudy Gatwa has you, uh, running for your money.

[00:07:16] Fighting the power of Mavity.

[00:07:19] Did you notice they said Mavity this episode?

[00:07:21] Yeah.

[00:07:22] Do you, do you like that we're continuing this, that this is going to be a thing now forever, probably?

[00:07:27] Yes, I do actually.

[00:07:28] Okay.

[00:07:29] Yeah.

[00:07:29] So for anyone who doesn't know, when was this was the, uh, 60th anniversary specials, they meet with Isaac Newton and they kind of accidentally mess with him creating, you know, coming up with the word gravity.

[00:07:43] And he comes up with the word Mavity instead.

[00:07:45] And now ever since they just keep using Mavity instead of gravity, which is no comment.

[00:07:50] Just throw it in there.

[00:07:51] Right.

[00:07:52] Yeah.

[00:07:53] And that like things like that.

[00:07:55] I don't think you need to have watched something.

[00:07:57] So like, enjoy, like, you'll just miss that joke.

[00:07:59] It's fine.

[00:08:00] Like that's, that's not a big deal.

[00:08:01] I do think that to really enjoy this special, you need to have watched at least the first Nishuti Gatwa season.

[00:08:09] Okay.

[00:08:10] But I don't think you need to watch all of, I think the whole season, you need that.

[00:08:14] You need the emotional arc of him.

[00:08:16] Right.

[00:08:17] His first new companion is his losing of the companion is sort of dealing with the fact that he is underneath this all still a little depressed.

[00:08:26] Mm hmm.

[00:08:26] I think you need some background on this character to walk in here because otherwise, well, I don't have any chairs.

[00:08:33] Well, what the hell does that mean?

[00:08:34] Yeah.

[00:08:35] Well, if yeah, if you don't see him losing Ruby, then yeah, it doesn't, there are certain aspects that don't make sense, but okay.

[00:08:43] Now I'm, I'm flirting with spoilers.

[00:08:44] So shall we get into the spoiler section?

[00:08:47] Yes, let's do it.

[00:08:48] Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.

[00:08:50] Okay.

[00:08:51] Delete, delete, delete.

[00:08:52] All right.

[00:08:54] So this episode was directed by Alex Sanjeev Pillai.

[00:08:58] And, uh, that's a director from Newcastle.

[00:09:01] Who's known for episodes of Bridgerton and like the chilling adventures of Sabrina Riverdale, et cetera.

[00:09:06] And the writer for this one is former doctor who showrunner, Steven Moffat.

[00:09:11] So really?

[00:09:12] Mm hmm.

[00:09:12] That explains why it's so fucking sad at parts.

[00:09:18] Oh, but the official log line from Disney is when joy, Nicola Coughlin opens a secret doorway to the time hotel.

[00:09:26] She discovers danger dinosaurs and the doctor, but deadly, but a deadly plan is unfolding across the earth just in time for Christmas.

[00:09:33] And I just have to point out, she's not actually the one who opens the door, but fine, whatever.

[00:09:38] Yeah, that's true.

[00:09:39] That's true.

[00:09:40] Yeah, I did like the gambit of this.

[00:09:43] I like the whole, we have these fixed time portals that are physically linked, and so we can't create paradoxes.

[00:09:52] Very fun.

[00:09:53] Very fun.

[00:09:54] Very timey-wimey.

[00:09:55] Yeah.

[00:09:55] Yeah, so we have him, he decides to pose as room service with a ham and cheese toasty and a pumpkin latte, which actually sounds like something I would order except for the ham.

[00:10:06] Is a ham, is a toasty just a panini?

[00:10:10] It's, I mean, it's usually made with regular bread.

[00:10:13] But a panini can be too, right?

[00:10:15] You just have to press it.

[00:10:16] I thought panini was made with panini bread.

[00:10:19] All right, we're going to, panini versus toasty.

[00:10:23] Toasty.

[00:10:23] Well, toasty is just basically like a grilled cheese, but often it has ham in it.

[00:10:29] Okay.

[00:10:32] I don't know.

[00:10:33] I don't know.

[00:10:34] Can someone write in?

[00:10:35] Can a Brit write in, please?

[00:10:36] I'm very confused by your lingo.

[00:10:37] It's in a Dutch thing, too.

[00:10:38] It's a Dutch thing, too.

[00:10:39] And that's why I pronounce it toasty, yeah.

[00:10:41] Oh, okay.

[00:10:43] But it's, yeah, it's just a normal grilled cheese sandwich, only it very often has ham in it.

[00:10:48] But I don't eat ham, so.

[00:10:49] See, I was not sold on paninis needing a specific type of bread.

[00:10:55] That's why I was like, what's the difference?

[00:10:56] Oh, I mean, I've only seen a panini with panini bread.

[00:11:00] Otherwise, it's not.

[00:11:02] Isn't that a ciabatta?

[00:11:04] A ciabatta is a different type of bread.

[00:11:06] Than the panini bread?

[00:11:07] Yes.

[00:11:07] This is a riveting podcast here.

[00:11:10] We're really getting deep into sandwich nuance.

[00:11:13] I know all the breads.

[00:11:14] Yes.

[00:11:16] It's a special skill that will take me far.

[00:11:20] Okay.

[00:11:20] Well, thank you for my bread education today.

[00:11:25] But, okay, so the premise of this whole time hotel thing is that there's always a funny locked door and hotel.

[00:11:32] That door.

[00:11:33] And, obviously, a lot of the times the door is just like the door that connects, you know, two rooms can be en suite so you can have a, you know, have families stay next to each other and have a door between them.

[00:11:46] Although I have to say, this made me think of for my sister's wedding in, when was that, September?

[00:11:54] We stayed in a hotel and the room that I had had one of those doors.

[00:11:59] But the weirdest thing about it was that there was something wet leaking from underneath.

[00:12:03] And, like, I told them at the front desk and they were just like, oh, yeah, no, it's, yeah, okay.

[00:12:09] That'll happen.

[00:12:09] It just made me think.

[00:12:10] It just made me think on the other side of that door is a time hotel.

[00:12:13] And that's like, hmm, an ocean or I don't know.

[00:12:17] Yeah.

[00:12:19] It's, what was the name of the guy who wouldn't fail him?

[00:12:24] Who wouldn't fail the doctor?

[00:12:25] Trev?

[00:12:26] Trev?

[00:12:26] Trev, yeah.

[00:12:27] Trev spilled some, spilled like the coffee carafe and he's very upset with himself.

[00:12:33] Right, right.

[00:12:35] So, we see the doctor checking in on a few different times and locations, which are actual historical moments.

[00:12:42] So, we first see him visit the Christmas Blitz at the Queen's Hotel in Manchester in 1940, where he meets Basil and Hilda Flockhart.

[00:12:52] And these two characters, Basil and Hilda, seem to be made up for the show.

[00:12:57] If anyone knows differently, please let me know.

[00:12:59] But it's funny because the other ones aren't.

[00:13:01] We'll get to that.

[00:13:02] And this makes me wonder, though, there must be a reference that I'm missing because Basil says, or Basil probably it's pronounced, says he knew two women who lived up that way.

[00:13:12] Hmm.

[00:13:13] And I'm like, who, that seems specific.

[00:13:15] Who are the two women?

[00:13:18] I don't know.

[00:13:19] But he also says that, you know, the Blitz is happening, you know, basically, it's World War II.

[00:13:25] And he says, it's the end of everything we hold dear.

[00:13:28] Democracy itself will fall.

[00:13:29] And that felt really on point for the moment that the world's in right now.

[00:13:34] And maybe reminding us that people survive that.

[00:13:37] Hopefully, we'll survive this.

[00:13:40] Well, that's a lovely thought, Alicia.

[00:13:43] I hope you're right.

[00:13:44] Me too.

[00:13:45] Me too.

[00:13:46] And then we switch to the Orient Express in Italy in 1962, where he meets Sylvia Trench.

[00:13:53] Now, Sylvia Trench, I'm pretty sure they're referring to the James Bond character.

[00:13:59] What?

[00:14:00] Yeah, she was basically his first romance in the films.

[00:14:06] And it's actually from her in Dr. No, which came out 1962.

[00:14:12] So, the year that he's visiting, she's the one who first said Trench, Sylvia Trench in the movies.

[00:14:18] And then Bond took that Bond, James Bond, from that in the films.

[00:14:24] That's funny.

[00:14:25] And she was going to be, she was the only Bond girl who, before they rebooted with Daniel Craig, she was the only Bond girl who appeared in more than one movie.

[00:14:37] And they were actually going to have her as a regular girlfriend of Bond's in the series.

[00:14:41] But then they're like, nah, let's make him a womanizer instead.

[00:14:44] Of course, you know, look, man can't be tied down if he's going to be a spy.

[00:14:48] Right, exactly.

[00:14:49] She can't do it.

[00:14:51] And we see her, you know, she's reading Murder on the Orient Express by Agatha Christie, which is on the nose.

[00:14:58] But actually, it turns out that in there, she's hiding some letters.

[00:15:02] And did you read this?

[00:15:04] I wasn't sure.

[00:15:05] There's another reference here that I'm not completely sure that I got that.

[00:15:09] She, he kind of like helped her realize she was gay.

[00:15:12] Is that what you got out of it?

[00:15:15] She was writing love letters?

[00:15:16] I think maybe he just saw her.

[00:15:19] I don't think, no, I think that she was writing letters to a woman.

[00:15:22] She knew that she was gay.

[00:15:24] I think.

[00:15:24] But she said thank you?

[00:15:27] I think what it was, was he, it's not the 1950s, right?

[00:15:31] Or it was 1962.

[00:15:35] 1962, this was not a time where, especially in England, I believe it was still illegal to be homosexual.

[00:15:41] That was like a thing.

[00:15:43] Interesting.

[00:15:44] So I think he saw her as a gay person and he said, you should send them.

[00:15:48] And he just like talked to her like she was normal.

[00:15:50] And she just was like, thank you.

[00:15:52] You know, I'm, I'm a human being for a minute.

[00:15:54] Right.

[00:15:55] Yeah.

[00:15:56] That's how I took it.

[00:15:57] Interesting.

[00:15:57] Because if they're doing that as the Bond character, I don't know of anything about that particular Bond character being supposedly, you know, gay.

[00:16:05] But there is another one, Pussy Galore, but that's not who this is.

[00:16:08] So I feel like there are some references that we're going to learn afterwards when we get some, you know, because we're recording this before it's out for the general public.

[00:16:18] So I'm sure we're going to get some more interviews with Stephen Offit and et cetera, et cetera.

[00:16:23] Yeah.

[00:16:24] Yeah.

[00:16:24] We didn't, we didn't note that at the top, but we did get a screener from Disney.

[00:16:28] So thank you, Disney.

[00:16:29] Thank you.

[00:16:29] We finally, we were finally in the mouse club.

[00:16:32] It took a while.

[00:16:33] We're finally in on the screener server.

[00:16:36] Exactly.

[00:16:37] Exactly.

[00:16:38] So thank you, Disney for this.

[00:16:39] Not sure if we'll get screeners for anything else.

[00:16:41] Dr.

[00:16:41] Who, as it goes forward.

[00:16:43] But for now, we are able to give this to you right after the episode is public.

[00:16:48] Yeah.

[00:16:49] Yeah.

[00:16:50] And so the third wrong location that he visits is base camp on Mount Everest in 1953.

[00:16:56] And there he meets Edmund Hillary, who is like, I actually didn't realize it was Edmund Hillary until I saw the credits.

[00:17:02] But Edmund Hillary is a real mountaineer from New Zealand, very famous mountaineer.

[00:17:09] And he, he often climbed with Tenzing Norgay, who's a mountaineer from Nepal.

[00:17:15] And so that was the other character who was there.

[00:17:18] So those two are real people.

[00:17:20] I mean.

[00:17:20] But now they have no rope.

[00:17:22] So what are they going to do?

[00:17:24] No, I suppose, I guess I hope they had more rope than that.

[00:17:27] Because they seemed not that bothered by it.

[00:17:30] I don't know.

[00:17:30] I was like, are they going to be able to climb?

[00:17:33] Like, what's going on here?

[00:17:35] I mean, I'm just saying this was kind of a more dickish doctor for what we've seen from Nshuti.

[00:17:41] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:41] He was really like, I'm going to do what I need to do no matter who is getting inconvenienced.

[00:17:47] Right.

[00:17:48] Yeah.

[00:17:49] I mean, yeah, he's going through stuff, I guess.

[00:17:52] But although I did enjoy him going, oh, I have a homie beacon for fresh milk.

[00:17:55] I guess I could just get a fridge.

[00:17:57] But, yeah.

[00:18:00] And so then, yeah, we also, we finally meet Nicola Coughlin, who plays joy at the Sandringham Hotel in London in 2024.

[00:18:09] So our year.

[00:18:10] and basically she's in her room, she's feeling sad,

[00:18:14] she's feeling lonely, and then suddenly a Silurian with a briefcase

[00:18:18] shows up, which we'll find out later, it's the manager of this other time hotel,

[00:18:22] and says, the star seed will bloom and the flesh will rise.

[00:18:27] What did you think when you first heard that? What did you expect?

[00:18:32] Just spooky

[00:18:33] Steven Moffat nonsense.

[00:18:37] It was very the empty child

[00:18:41] kind of thing, just repeating something creepy until something happens.

[00:18:44] Although it's interesting that most of Steven Moffat's creepy sayings,

[00:18:50] what was the one with the skeletons

[00:18:53] in the library? Oh, yeah, I don't remember.

[00:18:57] Hey, who turned out the lights? He loves doing this.

[00:19:01] He loves doing a repeated spooky thing, but those are all about

[00:19:05] darkness, and this one is the first one that's about light, which is cool.

[00:19:09] Yeah, that's true, that's true.

[00:19:12] And so then we visit the Time Hotel itself,

[00:19:14] which is in London in 4202,

[00:19:17] and we see people who seem to be coming from all times

[00:19:21] and places based on how they're dressed,

[00:19:23] and apparently there's a special going on,

[00:19:26] Christmas everywhere all at once,

[00:19:27] and that's where we meet Trev Simpkins,

[00:19:30] who's played by Joel Frye.

[00:19:32] Were you familiar with the actor who played Trev?

[00:19:34] Yeah, so that is Game of Thrones.

[00:19:37] We had him as, oh man, I can't remember.

[00:19:41] It was the one who tried to get,

[00:19:46] wait, who was he?

[00:19:47] Oh, he was the one who married Daenerys in Meereen.

[00:19:53] He married Daenerys? I don't remember that.

[00:19:56] Yeah, it was like a political marriage.

[00:19:58] Hizdar Zolarak.

[00:19:59] Oh, okay, okay, wow, totally forgot about that.

[00:20:03] But yeah, I know him from other stuff.

[00:20:06] I know he plays Frenchie in Our Flag Means Death.

[00:20:08] I haven't watched Our Flag Means Death yet,

[00:20:10] but I know him from, I don't know, a bunch of,

[00:20:13] like he's in Cruella, he's in this movie called Bank of Dave.

[00:20:15] He seems to be just one of those British actors

[00:20:18] who pops up in every British project.

[00:20:22] Yeah, yeah, he's definitely in a lot of stuff.

[00:20:24] He was in Yesterday, I think, too.

[00:20:26] I was just looking at his IMDb.

[00:20:28] Mm-hmm, that was a good one.

[00:20:29] He's got a lot of minor roles, which is cool.

[00:20:32] We like to hear actors like that.

[00:20:34] But he was one of those, like, he's a famous enough face

[00:20:37] that I was surprised by what happened to him in a moment.

[00:20:41] But first we get, I love this line,

[00:20:43] where the doctor's telling him,

[00:20:46] okay, I emptied my mind,

[00:20:48] so I forgot everything to be fresh.

[00:20:50] And he's like, oh, should I empty my mind, too?

[00:20:52] And the doctor says, in your case,

[00:20:54] I'm not sure that's necessary.

[00:20:55] Like, damn.

[00:20:57] Yeah.

[00:20:59] Did you notice there's a lot of,

[00:21:02] it's bigger on the inside?

[00:21:04] So, for example, we got the mug,

[00:21:06] it's bigger on the inside.

[00:21:07] Later, a microwave, it's bigger on the inside.

[00:21:09] You know, I, that was one of the things

[00:21:12] where I was like, we might be overdoing this one.

[00:21:15] Right.

[00:21:16] We might be overdoing this.

[00:21:17] Can he make anything bigger on the inside?

[00:21:18] Like, I don't understand.

[00:21:20] Apparently.

[00:21:21] He's been underusing that skill then.

[00:21:23] Yeah, exactly.

[00:21:24] He's a useful skill.

[00:21:25] Maybe that's how Mary Poppins got her bag.

[00:21:27] We need that episode.

[00:21:29] Yeah.

[00:21:30] Yeah.

[00:21:30] That'd be great.

[00:21:31] What did you think about this concept

[00:21:34] of the psychically grafted radio

[00:21:37] that Trev has in his head?

[00:21:40] So he can talk to the doctor.

[00:21:42] I think it's,

[00:21:44] it worked as a plot device.

[00:21:46] It was interesting that they did that

[00:21:47] and then he never got to use it, really.

[00:21:49] Well, yeah, I guess,

[00:21:51] yeah, that's true.

[00:21:51] Later, it comes back when he comes back.

[00:21:54] Yeah.

[00:21:54] But, yeah.

[00:21:55] But did it really come back

[00:21:56] or was it just like the idea of it?

[00:21:59] You know what I mean?

[00:21:59] Like, if it was just his consciousness

[00:22:01] that was uploaded,

[00:22:02] isn't it basically just like

[00:22:03] he had the idea of the psychic?

[00:22:06] I don't know.

[00:22:07] Everything's too timey-wimey with that.

[00:22:08] I don't understand how that works.

[00:22:10] Right.

[00:22:11] But, yeah, I think the,

[00:22:13] he kind of just communicates

[00:22:14] with the doctor via the,

[00:22:15] what's the name of the company?

[00:22:17] The weapons company

[00:22:19] using their server.

[00:22:21] Villengard, yeah.

[00:22:22] Villengard, thank you.

[00:22:24] Yeah.

[00:22:24] Villengard, of course,

[00:22:26] was the same company from,

[00:22:29] this is what I mean,

[00:22:29] like we need,

[00:22:30] we need people to watch the last season

[00:22:33] to really understand

[00:22:34] the implication of that.

[00:22:36] Right, exactly.

[00:22:37] Especially, yeah,

[00:22:38] when we see them come back at the end

[00:22:39] as sort of projections.

[00:22:41] Right.

[00:22:42] Yeah.

[00:22:42] And, and are we going to talk about

[00:22:45] sort of production knowledge we have?

[00:22:48] Sure, go for it.

[00:22:48] We can do,

[00:22:49] let's do,

[00:22:50] let's do a section of the end about it

[00:22:51] because I don't want to spoil people

[00:22:52] if they want to just be surprised

[00:22:53] about things.

[00:22:54] Okay, what do you mean?

[00:22:56] Casting,

[00:22:58] how that has to do with Villengard

[00:22:59] and whatnot

[00:23:00] for season two.

[00:23:02] Okay.

[00:23:03] Well, let's talk about this case,

[00:23:06] this mysterious case

[00:23:07] that's being carried around.

[00:23:08] So we,

[00:23:10] the case is like kind of possessing people

[00:23:12] and it says something

[00:23:14] and whenever it attaches

[00:23:16] to a new person's wrist,

[00:23:17] it says upgrading

[00:23:18] and then we see them do like

[00:23:19] a lizard blink.

[00:23:21] So I thought,

[00:23:21] we first saw the Solarian come through,

[00:23:24] which is for anyone who doesn't know,

[00:23:25] like the theory about the lizard people

[00:23:27] who live under the earth,

[00:23:29] that's a real thing in Doctor Who

[00:23:30] and they're just Solarian people

[00:23:32] who show up sometimes.

[00:23:33] Well, you know it's named

[00:23:34] after the Doctor Who race, right?

[00:23:36] It-

[00:23:37] Oh, really?

[00:23:38] Yeah, the scientists

[00:23:39] who named this theory

[00:23:40] named it after the Doctor Who race.

[00:23:43] Okay, okay.

[00:23:44] So it's chicken and egg reversed.

[00:23:46] Hmm.

[00:23:47] So yeah,

[00:23:48] we get that,

[00:23:49] like the people who hold the case

[00:23:50] seems to have that lizard blink,

[00:23:53] which I was surprised by.

[00:23:54] Maybe that was supposed to be a misdirect,

[00:23:56] but then once the case

[00:23:57] moves on to someone else,

[00:23:59] the person dies.

[00:24:00] They just have this like

[00:24:01] sparkly disappearing moments,

[00:24:03] which kind of looks like

[00:24:04] they're being burned off by a star,

[00:24:06] I guess.

[00:24:07] Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:08] So do you think Joy

[00:24:10] could have never lived?

[00:24:11] She would have just burned up anyway.

[00:24:14] I mean,

[00:24:15] he got her off the case.

[00:24:17] That's true,

[00:24:18] and she was off for quite a while.

[00:24:20] Uh-huh, yeah.

[00:24:21] Yeah.

[00:24:22] But I was,

[00:24:23] so we find out the case

[00:24:24] is a Starseed containment module,

[00:24:26] which is like

[00:24:28] Villengard,

[00:24:28] this weapons company

[00:24:30] that turns up

[00:24:31] in Doctor Who stuff.

[00:24:32] Um,

[00:24:33] they decided that they want to

[00:24:35] grow their own private star

[00:24:37] because

[00:24:38] that will be a private energy source

[00:24:40] for them.

[00:24:41] And,

[00:24:42] uh,

[00:24:42] but in order to do that,

[00:24:43] yeah,

[00:24:43] stars take a long time to grow,

[00:24:45] so they need the Time Hotel,

[00:24:47] and so they need to go back

[00:24:48] 65 million years

[00:24:50] and,

[00:24:50] uh,

[00:24:51] plant it there

[00:24:52] and let it grow.

[00:24:53] and,

[00:24:53] yeah,

[00:24:53] we'll get,

[00:24:54] we'll get back to that,

[00:24:54] but I was so upset

[00:24:56] to see Trev

[00:24:58] disappear.

[00:24:58] I was so surprised

[00:24:59] because,

[00:25:00] uh,

[00:25:00] I was like,

[00:25:01] wait,

[00:25:01] but I know that actor.

[00:25:03] I mean,

[00:25:03] as soon as,

[00:25:05] as soon as

[00:25:06] the case started saying

[00:25:07] upgrading access,

[00:25:08] I knew he was done.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:10] Because,

[00:25:11] uh,

[00:25:11] he's kind of dopey.

[00:25:12] Like,

[00:25:13] he just,

[00:25:13] wasn't that smart.

[00:25:15] He does have more access

[00:25:16] than the bartender.

[00:25:17] It was going to happen.

[00:25:18] It just was going to happen.

[00:25:20] Right.

[00:25:20] Well,

[00:25:21] it also,

[00:25:21] it sets the stakes

[00:25:22] so that when

[00:25:23] the case gets,

[00:25:25] you know,

[00:25:26] attached to Joy's wrist,

[00:25:27] we're like,

[00:25:27] oh no,

[00:25:28] no,

[00:25:28] no.

[00:25:29] Right.

[00:25:30] Right.

[00:25:30] And she starts,

[00:25:32] you know,

[00:25:32] apparently as soon as

[00:25:33] you get the case

[00:25:34] attached to you,

[00:25:35] you start to take on

[00:25:36] the case's mission.

[00:25:38] And I love the doctor

[00:25:40] says to her,

[00:25:41] you are being mansplained

[00:25:42] by a briefcase.

[00:25:43] And she said,

[00:25:43] I thought I was being

[00:25:44] mansplained by you.

[00:25:45] Yeah.

[00:25:46] So,

[00:25:46] so overall,

[00:25:47] I just want to say,

[00:25:48] I think underutilization

[00:25:50] of Nicola Coughlin.

[00:25:51] Mm.

[00:25:52] In the episode,

[00:25:53] I think she's funnier

[00:25:54] than she was in this episode.

[00:25:56] And I didn't expect

[00:25:57] them to make her do

[00:25:58] her Derry Girls accent

[00:25:59] or anything.

[00:26:00] Right.

[00:26:00] But I did,

[00:26:01] I did expect them

[00:26:02] to have her give a lot

[00:26:03] more pushback to the doctor.

[00:26:05] She really only got

[00:26:06] like two scenes

[00:26:07] to do that.

[00:26:08] Mm.

[00:26:08] And that was disappointing

[00:26:09] to me.

[00:26:09] So I just want to say,

[00:26:10] use Nicola Coughlin more.

[00:26:11] Yeah.

[00:26:12] That was one of my

[00:26:12] criticisms of the episode.

[00:26:14] Yeah.

[00:26:15] I think,

[00:26:15] so they had actually,

[00:26:16] when they casted her

[00:26:19] for this,

[00:26:19] apparently they,

[00:26:20] this was before

[00:26:22] Bridgerton at least.

[00:26:23] Oh,

[00:26:24] really?

[00:26:24] So they,

[00:26:25] you know,

[00:26:26] she's gotten a lot

[00:26:26] bigger since,

[00:26:28] you know,

[00:26:28] she's a much bigger name

[00:26:29] since they first cast her

[00:26:31] in this.

[00:26:31] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:32] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:32] She's had quite the career

[00:26:33] of the last few years.

[00:26:34] Yeah.

[00:26:34] Oh yeah.

[00:26:35] She's,

[00:26:35] she's doing well.

[00:26:36] Love to see her.

[00:26:36] Good for her.

[00:26:37] Yeah.

[00:26:37] She's very funny.

[00:26:38] I've not seen Bridgerton.

[00:26:39] I,

[00:26:40] I have it on my queue.

[00:26:42] I have it on my queue.

[00:26:43] I want to watch it.

[00:26:44] It's just finding the time.

[00:26:46] I can't watch it around my kids.

[00:26:47] So it's just like,

[00:26:49] you know?

[00:26:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:51] Yeah.

[00:26:51] That's fair.

[00:26:53] This stuff.

[00:26:53] I mean,

[00:26:54] this stuff,

[00:26:54] you could,

[00:26:54] you could put this on around again.

[00:26:55] This is definitely kid friendly,

[00:26:56] I think.

[00:26:57] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:58] For sure.

[00:26:58] Yeah.

[00:26:58] I mean,

[00:26:59] that's the,

[00:26:59] that's the idea,

[00:27:00] right?

[00:27:01] Yeah.

[00:27:01] That,

[00:27:01] yeah,

[00:27:02] exactly.

[00:27:02] This is a family show.

[00:27:03] You could put it around your kids and everyone's fine.

[00:27:06] Except it will also,

[00:27:07] I,

[00:27:08] there,

[00:27:08] there was a great,

[00:27:09] I was listening to a gaming podcast once.

[00:27:11] Uh,

[00:27:11] Gary widow was on it.

[00:27:12] I don't know if you know him.

[00:27:13] He wrote,

[00:27:14] he was a writer on rogue one and he does a gaming podcast with some other

[00:27:17] people.

[00:27:18] And he said,

[00:27:19] yeah,

[00:27:19] Dr.

[00:27:20] Who was all about cowering behind your parents sofa while you were a

[00:27:23] kid because the monsters were always scarier than they should be.

[00:27:29] Uh,

[00:27:30] not me.

[00:27:30] I'm facing the TV.

[00:27:32] Fair enough.

[00:27:33] Um,

[00:27:34] so we do,

[00:27:35] I said,

[00:27:35] I like the other time loop episode that we do get a time loop in this

[00:27:39] episode where basically the case holder apparent for some reason does not

[00:27:44] know the security code,

[00:27:45] which fine.

[00:27:46] Okay.

[00:27:46] We'll go with it.

[00:27:47] The doctor said it throws out these random explanations like,

[00:27:51] uh,

[00:27:51] can't use the TARDIS because that would re-engage the causal nexus.

[00:27:54] Like,

[00:27:55] okay,

[00:27:55] sure.

[00:27:55] Moving on.

[00:27:56] Can't use the TARDIS.

[00:27:57] Fine.

[00:27:57] Check.

[00:27:58] Yeah.

[00:27:58] And then he gets help from his future self who tells him he has to go the

[00:28:04] long way around.

[00:28:06] Um,

[00:28:07] and this is where we get this,

[00:28:10] him yelling about chairs.

[00:28:12] He's like,

[00:28:13] you know,

[00:28:13] he's mad that his future self is leaving him behind to go the long way

[00:28:17] around.

[00:28:18] And he'll find out what that means.

[00:28:19] And he yells,

[00:28:20] you live in a great big spaceship,

[00:28:22] but there aren't any chairs and you haven't even noticed because never come,

[00:28:25] no one ever comes around.

[00:28:27] And I personally found yelling at himself to be a very relatable thing.

[00:28:31] Yeah.

[00:28:32] So I want to ask you something about this.

[00:28:34] Do you think that that is true?

[00:28:36] Because I mean,

[00:28:38] look at the 13th doctor's era.

[00:28:39] She had a whole crew.

[00:28:40] Mm hmm.

[00:28:42] Like people do come around.

[00:28:44] Right.

[00:28:44] He just doesn't go around to them.

[00:28:46] Right.

[00:28:47] That's true.

[00:28:48] I mean,

[00:28:48] I guess he's just feeling lonely because he,

[00:28:51] he always goes through,

[00:28:53] through this when he loses a companion.

[00:28:55] I know it's like his breakup phase.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:57] He,

[00:28:58] he cannot,

[00:28:59] he's a serial monogamist.

[00:29:00] He cannot be on his own.

[00:29:02] That's right.

[00:29:03] Well,

[00:29:03] he gets,

[00:29:04] he gets poly a little bit sometimes.

[00:29:05] I mean,

[00:29:06] look again,

[00:29:06] 13th doctor.

[00:29:07] Sure.

[00:29:08] Okay.

[00:29:08] He's a serial relationshipist.

[00:29:11] Yeah.

[00:29:12] Yeah.

[00:29:13] Fun times.

[00:29:14] And I,

[00:29:14] and I miss Amy and Rory.

[00:29:16] Shout out to Amy and Rory.

[00:29:17] Yeah.

[00:29:18] Yeah.

[00:29:18] So my favorite companions done dirty in the end.

[00:29:21] Not really.

[00:29:22] It was a very beautiful ending.

[00:29:24] I don't know who my favorite.

[00:29:25] Oh,

[00:29:25] I always say Martha.

[00:29:27] I think it is Martha.

[00:29:28] She's my favorite.

[00:29:31] She's fine.

[00:29:32] She's fine.

[00:29:32] I liked her because she was like her own kind of medical doctor.

[00:29:35] And she was,

[00:29:36] she didn't need him as much as the others.

[00:29:38] And I kind of liked that about her.

[00:29:40] Well,

[00:29:40] I think it was,

[00:29:42] she would be 10 times better if we didn't have that silly,

[00:29:45] uh,

[00:29:46] unrequited love plot line with her.

[00:29:48] Yeah,

[00:29:48] sure.

[00:29:49] Fine.

[00:29:49] Yeah.

[00:29:50] Yeah.

[00:29:50] That was,

[00:29:50] but that's a writing fault.

[00:29:51] It's not an actor fault or anything.

[00:29:53] No,

[00:29:54] no,

[00:29:54] no.

[00:29:54] She's great.

[00:29:55] That was Russell T.

[00:29:56] Davis.

[00:29:56] Just being like,

[00:29:57] I need to make sure that everyone wants to be with the doctor.

[00:30:03] And probably self-insert doctor anyway.

[00:30:07] Um,

[00:30:08] so there's also,

[00:30:10] we find out that like when the time hotel isn't connected,

[00:30:13] there's just a brick wall behind the door.

[00:30:17] And so he can't get through.

[00:30:19] And so he ends up taking,

[00:30:21] uh,

[00:30:21] that room where he found joy,

[00:30:24] uh,

[00:30:24] in that London,

[00:30:25] 2024 hotel.

[00:30:26] And he just stays there for an entire year and works there because he

[00:30:30] knows he needs to be in New York for Christmas of 2025,

[00:30:34] because there'll be an opening in the hotel there because he,

[00:30:37] uh,

[00:30:38] saw that in the program basically from the time hotel.

[00:30:42] And he meets a woman named Anita who works at the hotel.

[00:30:47] Uh,

[00:30:48] and she like,

[00:30:50] she is very cool about the fact that he,

[00:30:53] a lot of weird stuff's going on around him.

[00:30:56] He's got psychic paper that knows people's food orders before they order,

[00:31:00] which I didn't realize psychic paper worked that way,

[00:31:02] but fine.

[00:31:02] Yeah.

[00:31:02] Right.

[00:31:03] Yeah.

[00:31:04] Uh,

[00:31:05] have you ever seen it work in the opposite way before?

[00:31:07] I don't know.

[00:31:09] Yeah.

[00:31:09] I don't recall that.

[00:31:10] It may be someone who is more familiar with the classic stuff can tell us if

[00:31:14] that's ever been a thing.

[00:31:15] And also the mop mops itself.

[00:31:17] Well,

[00:31:17] how does that work?

[00:31:19] You know,

[00:31:20] I'm not going to question it.

[00:31:21] Can I also say,

[00:31:22] I really liked the jab at diet culture.

[00:31:24] Well,

[00:31:25] I'm on a diet.

[00:31:26] Well,

[00:31:26] the paper says you want this.

[00:31:29] And he just walks away.

[00:31:31] He doesn't invite any debate.

[00:31:32] He's like,

[00:31:33] well,

[00:31:33] that's what you're getting.

[00:31:33] So bye.

[00:31:36] Yeah.

[00:31:36] Worst server ever.

[00:31:39] And yet his boss loves him.

[00:31:41] Yeah.

[00:31:42] My favorite bit is the plunger.

[00:31:45] He's handed a plunger and he looks at it and he goes,

[00:31:47] is this armed?

[00:31:48] Because it looks like a dollar.

[00:31:51] That's really funny.

[00:31:52] Yeah.

[00:31:53] It's really funny.

[00:31:53] Although now we know,

[00:31:54] uh,

[00:31:55] with that short bit from the 14th doctor's run,

[00:31:59] uh,

[00:31:59] that the doctor is the one who just took a random plunger and put it on the

[00:32:03] Dalek.

[00:32:03] Right.

[00:32:06] Yeah.

[00:32:06] I don't know how canon that,

[00:32:08] that bit is,

[00:32:09] but yeah,

[00:32:10] I want it to be canon.

[00:32:10] I think I want it to be canon.

[00:32:12] Yeah.

[00:32:13] And then we get introduced.

[00:32:15] So we have the whole chair thing.

[00:32:16] And so he and Anita start chair night,

[00:32:18] which is when they actually sit down together and talk and play games.

[00:32:22] And,

[00:32:22] uh,

[00:32:23] at the end of this year,

[00:32:25] he gives this goodbye pep talk to her.

[00:32:27] And,

[00:32:28] um,

[00:32:29] it honestly got me teary.

[00:32:30] Yeah.

[00:32:31] I wonder,

[00:32:32] so,

[00:32:32] and they have this thing where,

[00:32:34] you know,

[00:32:34] they talk about the song for Auld Lang Syne.

[00:32:36] And so that's what they say to each other at the end.

[00:32:38] And I'm wondering and kind of hoping that Anita will show up again.

[00:32:42] I think she could.

[00:32:43] I mean,

[00:32:43] she's going to work at the time hotel now.

[00:32:45] We know that.

[00:32:46] Right.

[00:32:46] Um,

[00:32:47] I will say that this section,

[00:32:49] his year did take me out of it a little bit.

[00:32:52] It was,

[00:32:52] it did stop the pacing in his tracks.

[00:32:55] Oh,

[00:32:55] it was my favorite part of the episode.

[00:32:57] Really?

[00:32:57] I was like,

[00:32:58] we are still here.

[00:33:00] Um,

[00:33:00] but maybe that was part of the point.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:03] But also I'm a little confused why this was such a big deal for the doctor to stay on earth for a year and stay in one place.

[00:33:08] Uh,

[00:33:09] I'll remind you the 12th doctor spent 50 to 70 years teaching at a university,

[00:33:13] not traveling on the TARDIS.

[00:33:15] Yeah.

[00:33:16] The,

[00:33:16] uh,

[00:33:17] third doctor was exiled to earth for six years with no working TARDIS.

[00:33:22] I,

[00:33:22] uh,

[00:33:23] I,

[00:33:23] I don't think this is actually a new thing for him.

[00:33:25] Did Steven Moffat write those?

[00:33:28] Um,

[00:33:29] he did.

[00:33:30] Yeah.

[00:33:30] He was showrunner for the 12th doctor.

[00:33:32] Okay.

[00:33:32] That's true.

[00:33:33] I don't know.

[00:33:34] I'm just like,

[00:33:35] I don't,

[00:33:36] I don't think that,

[00:33:37] uh,

[00:33:38] I don't think this is actually a new thing.

[00:33:40] This was not,

[00:33:40] it's like a whole year.

[00:33:41] I'm like,

[00:33:42] yeah,

[00:33:42] you did like first of these like two seasons ago,

[00:33:45] but this time he has to stay in a crappy hotel.

[00:33:48] Yeah.

[00:33:49] At least he was a professor last time.

[00:33:51] Mm.

[00:33:53] Yeah.

[00:33:54] But then at the end of the year,

[00:33:55] he it's Christmas Eve,

[00:33:56] 2025.

[00:33:57] And he goes to New York city to the Exeter hotel,

[00:34:01] because he knows that a door is going to open there.

[00:34:03] And so he gets back to the time hotel and goes back to,

[00:34:06] you know,

[00:34:07] help himself with the code.

[00:34:08] And so I was immediately like,

[00:34:11] Oh,

[00:34:11] bootstrap paradox.

[00:34:12] And then a second later,

[00:34:13] he says,

[00:34:15] it's a bootstrap paradox.

[00:34:16] Like,

[00:34:16] okay.

[00:34:17] And he says,

[00:34:18] basically the code came from nowhere,

[00:34:19] but so did the universe.

[00:34:21] And no one complains about that.

[00:34:22] Like,

[00:34:22] okay,

[00:34:23] whatever.

[00:34:24] Honestly,

[00:34:24] that was the best justification for a bootstrap paradox I've ever heard.

[00:34:28] Yeah.

[00:34:30] Whatever complains about that.

[00:34:32] Demands it.

[00:34:33] Yep.

[00:34:34] Yep.

[00:34:34] Yeah.

[00:34:35] I do.

[00:34:35] I do love,

[00:34:36] that's one of the things that I love about doctor who is it will hand wave

[00:34:39] away the inconveniences that other sci-fi shows,

[00:34:43] other time travel shows will really like linger on.

[00:34:46] And they get hung up on them.

[00:34:48] You know,

[00:34:49] George RR Martin could not figure out a bootstrap paradox.

[00:34:52] He'd be writing it for 20 years,

[00:34:54] but,

[00:34:55] but doctor who's like,

[00:34:56] yeah,

[00:34:57] yeah.

[00:34:57] Bootstrap paradox.

[00:34:57] Let's go.

[00:34:58] Yeah.

[00:34:59] Yeah.

[00:34:59] Like that's what it is.

[00:35:00] Wave,

[00:35:01] wave,

[00:35:01] wave moving on.

[00:35:03] Yep.

[00:35:03] Love it.

[00:35:04] So I was,

[00:35:05] I think that was actually my favorite moment in the episode.

[00:35:07] I gotta say.

[00:35:07] Yeah.

[00:35:08] Yeah.

[00:35:09] So I was thinking about,

[00:35:10] you know,

[00:35:10] the fact that he forces his past stuff self to stay there and quote unquote,

[00:35:14] take the long way around.

[00:35:15] And I guess,

[00:35:16] you know,

[00:35:16] it's to protect the timey whaminess.

[00:35:18] That's always a thing with doctor who,

[00:35:19] but I was also thinking,

[00:35:21] do you think it's because he wanted himself to stay and have that experience

[00:35:25] with Anita?

[00:35:26] Yes,

[00:35:27] I do think so.

[00:35:29] And that idea also came from nowhere,

[00:35:31] but that's okay.

[00:35:32] What do you mean from?

[00:35:33] Oh,

[00:35:33] the idea of him staying would have been from the future,

[00:35:36] which would have been reflecting the past,

[00:35:38] which didn't happen.

[00:35:38] Right.

[00:35:39] Anyway,

[00:35:39] but that's okay because we're,

[00:35:41] we're all good.

[00:35:42] We're all good.

[00:35:44] Nobody complains about the universe.

[00:35:45] Yeah,

[00:35:46] exactly.

[00:35:47] Exactly.

[00:35:47] I,

[00:35:47] it was bootstrappy.

[00:35:48] It was an emotional bootstrap,

[00:35:50] really.

[00:35:50] Mm hmm.

[00:35:51] Mm hmm.

[00:35:52] An emotional bootstrap.

[00:35:53] That's no,

[00:35:55] I'm thinking of an actual bootstrap.

[00:35:57] But anyway,

[00:35:58] so we find out that this,

[00:36:00] this case,

[00:36:00] but the star,

[00:36:01] the idea is there's a single atom in there.

[00:36:03] That's undergoing a chain reaction to create a star as a personal energy

[00:36:07] source.

[00:36:07] And it's going to take thousands of years.

[00:36:09] They need the time hotel.

[00:36:11] Um,

[00:36:12] so that's when they,

[00:36:13] they planted 65 million years ago when they,

[00:36:16] they have like a hut.

[00:36:18] So you can watch the dinosaurs,

[00:36:19] which is really cool.

[00:36:21] Um,

[00:36:21] it was very Tarzan,

[00:36:22] right?

[00:36:23] We got the humans in a little hut on a tree.

[00:36:25] There's,

[00:36:26] there's,

[00:36:27] uh,

[00:36:28] the wild out there.

[00:36:29] Yeah.

[00:36:30] Maybe actually that would be where I'd want to go because I would love to see

[00:36:33] what the dinosaurs actually looks like.

[00:36:35] I mean,

[00:36:36] the construction maintenance bill for that room is like,

[00:36:39] that is the cost of this hotel.

[00:36:41] Like that is their main cost.

[00:36:43] Just because the dinosaurs keep wrecking it.

[00:36:46] Yes,

[00:36:48] absolutely.

[00:36:48] That,

[00:36:49] that's like their biggest budget item.

[00:36:51] Every time they have a board meeting,

[00:36:52] they're like,

[00:36:52] we got to figure out this thing because we just keep losing huts.

[00:36:58] At least I guess it's cheaply constructed.

[00:37:00] It's just literally a wooden hut.

[00:37:02] Yeah.

[00:37:02] That's why nothing else is there.

[00:37:03] Yeah.

[00:37:04] All right.

[00:37:04] That's fair.

[00:37:05] Yeah.

[00:37:06] Uh,

[00:37:06] you would think there could be like a force field or something,

[00:37:08] but nah,

[00:37:09] nah,

[00:37:09] you don't get the full experience unless you're actually worried about getting

[00:37:12] eaten.

[00:37:13] Hmm.

[00:37:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:37:14] Or maybe you always go back to the moment right before it gets eaten.

[00:37:18] That way you can see the T-Rex life.

[00:37:20] Oh,

[00:37:20] okay.

[00:37:21] Fair.

[00:37:22] You know?

[00:37:23] Um,

[00:37:23] and we find out that Joy's mom died on Christmas and she could only talk to

[00:37:29] her on an iPad because of the rules,

[00:37:30] which seems to be a pandemic reference.

[00:37:33] It definitely was because we know it was 2020.

[00:37:36] Right.

[00:37:36] They put that label on.

[00:37:38] Oh,

[00:37:38] true,

[00:37:38] true.

[00:37:39] And yeah.

[00:37:40] And then the doctor starts being really mean to Joy about her hotel room and

[00:37:44] about being lonely and about her mother.

[00:37:47] And,

[00:37:48] uh,

[00:37:48] we find out that he was making her angry to quote unquote,

[00:37:52] wake her up.

[00:37:53] And then the case disconnects itself and she manages to stay alive because she

[00:37:58] was focused on her anger rather than the mission of the case.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] Did that work for you?

[00:38:06] Yeah.

[00:38:06] I think,

[00:38:07] I think that that was a very good way to get her out of it and felt very

[00:38:10] believable that this,

[00:38:11] if this is a psychic link,

[00:38:13] he broke the psychic link.

[00:38:14] Perfect.

[00:38:15] Yeah.

[00:38:16] Yep.

[00:38:17] And we,

[00:38:17] and we find out that the villain guard is involved again.

[00:38:21] So,

[00:38:22] cause we've seen that,

[00:38:24] uh,

[00:38:24] company,

[00:38:24] that weapons company before is specifically most recently,

[00:38:28] uh,

[00:38:29] in boom in from last season,

[00:38:31] which was an excellent episode.

[00:38:33] And then we find out that Trev who he's dead,

[00:38:36] but he's also,

[00:38:37] he's back.

[00:38:38] Yeah.

[00:38:39] Well,

[00:38:39] that was,

[00:38:39] and that was another thing that happened in boom was people would die and

[00:38:42] their consciousness would be uploaded.

[00:38:44] Exactly.

[00:38:45] So it's the same tech that we saw before.

[00:38:47] And then he says,

[00:38:48] the psychic graft has been duplicated virtually.

[00:38:51] And I was able to connect it to the brief briefcase communication software.

[00:38:54] Like,

[00:38:55] sure.

[00:38:55] Okay.

[00:38:56] Whatever that,

[00:38:56] all that means.

[00:38:57] I still don't understand how that works.

[00:38:59] If you just,

[00:38:59] your consciousness was uploaded,

[00:39:00] it looked like you disintegrated,

[00:39:02] but whatever.

[00:39:03] Yeah.

[00:39:04] Yeah.

[00:39:04] And then we find out that the case emits a psychic field,

[00:39:07] which I guess makes sense because that must be how it's connecting to the

[00:39:10] people that it's taking over.

[00:39:12] And so based on that,

[00:39:14] and because of reasons,

[00:39:16] somehow the doctor finds it inside an ancient human shrine because the case was eaten by

[00:39:22] the T-Rex.

[00:39:24] And then at some point,

[00:39:26] I don't know,

[00:39:27] they vomited up or pooped it out or died and decomposed around it.

[00:39:31] But the case was found and it was doing weird things to people.

[00:39:35] So they ended up putting it in a shrine and worshiping it.

[00:39:38] Is that what you understood from that?

[00:39:39] You know,

[00:39:40] as my son would say,

[00:39:41] the dino took a big stinky poop and that's how it got there.

[00:39:46] I think that's,

[00:39:47] I think you're right though,

[00:39:48] on your outline here.

[00:39:49] That's how it got there.

[00:39:50] Can I ask you,

[00:39:51] why does,

[00:39:52] why does Villengarde even need to make a new star?

[00:39:55] There's like millions and millions of stars.

[00:39:57] Because this is going to be their private stars that they can just,

[00:40:01] exploit for energy.

[00:40:03] But they couldn't do that to any other star?

[00:40:05] Apparently not.

[00:40:07] There's got to be uninhabited galaxies where they could just do that with a star.

[00:40:11] Right.

[00:40:11] And it's also,

[00:40:12] shouldn't they be building a Dyson sphere around it if they want to exploit its energy?

[00:40:16] But we don't see anything about that.

[00:40:19] So yeah,

[00:40:19] there's going to be,

[00:40:20] there's going to be a lot of hand waving in this part.

[00:40:22] And so,

[00:40:23] which is again,

[00:40:24] fine.

[00:40:24] Like in,

[00:40:24] in the doctor who Christmas crystals are often like this,

[00:40:27] where they have like a big plot line that has to be,

[00:40:31] squished into one episode.

[00:40:33] Right.

[00:40:33] So that's fine.

[00:40:34] I'm okay with that.

[00:40:35] Again,

[00:40:35] we have to judge this based on its genre and it's,

[00:40:39] and it's shtick.

[00:40:40] And this,

[00:40:40] this is the doctor who shtick.

[00:40:42] And I'm liking it.

[00:40:42] The more we talk about this episode,

[00:40:44] the more I like it.

[00:40:44] I got to say that.

[00:40:45] Okay.

[00:40:46] That's good.

[00:40:47] Um,

[00:40:47] I do have a question though that,

[00:40:49] so the doctor wanted to take the case and basically throw it in a space so the star can bloom there.

[00:40:54] And,

[00:40:54] and that sounds good to me.

[00:40:55] Why would the star object to that?

[00:40:59] Um,

[00:41:01] here's my,

[00:41:02] my theory is that its last case carrier would be psychically linked and able to sort of like drive the star to where they want it.

[00:41:11] Mm hmm.

[00:41:13] But because I almost said Claire,

[00:41:15] uh,

[00:41:15] because of Jerry girls,

[00:41:17] because joy broke the psychic,

[00:41:20] uh,

[00:41:21] broke the psychic link.

[00:41:22] And you had Trev sort of severing it on the inside that allowed them to at the end say like,

[00:41:27] Oh no,

[00:41:28] we're free from billing guard.

[00:41:29] Now we can go where we want.

[00:41:30] But why would the star not want to be thrown into space to bloom there?

[00:41:35] Well,

[00:41:36] I,

[00:41:36] I think it does want to bloom in space.

[00:41:38] Uh huh.

[00:41:39] And it,

[00:41:40] and it would bloom in space.

[00:41:42] It would do the same thing that joy did at the end,

[00:41:43] but it would go to where villain guard wanted it so that it would be easily accessible.

[00:41:49] Whereas joy drove it to somewhere that is not easily accessible to villain guard.

[00:41:53] That is just a place where a star should be.

[00:41:56] So you think the star is still being influenced by what villain guard wants?

[00:42:00] I think it would have been if not for Trev's internal hacking and joy's breaking of a psychic connection.

[00:42:06] Okay.

[00:42:07] Okay.

[00:42:07] I think they saved it from villain guard's influence.

[00:42:09] That's my understanding.

[00:42:10] Okay.

[00:42:11] Well,

[00:42:12] we,

[00:42:12] we got,

[00:42:12] we got like a little mini high situation where the previous places,

[00:42:16] the doctor visits,

[00:42:17] I'll come back and he steals that Everest climbing equipment.

[00:42:20] He runs it through the train and then he throws like this grappling hook out of the back of the train to attach to a mountain so that the force of the train will rip the cover off of the,

[00:42:32] um,

[00:42:33] the temple,

[00:42:33] which.

[00:42:34] It turns out we just needed a train.

[00:42:36] Yeah.

[00:42:36] It's like,

[00:42:37] that seems overly complex for us.

[00:42:39] Yeah.

[00:42:39] You know?

[00:42:41] but we did get the rope call back to really get rope.

[00:42:44] Yeah.

[00:42:45] Oh,

[00:42:45] true.

[00:42:46] Good point.

[00:42:46] The language of ropes.

[00:42:47] Yeah.

[00:42:48] From last Christmas special.

[00:42:49] So we're,

[00:42:49] we're keeping that continuity going.

[00:42:51] Yeah.

[00:42:51] Good point.

[00:42:52] Good point.

[00:42:53] Um,

[00:42:54] but yeah,

[00:42:54] we,

[00:42:55] we find out joy.

[00:42:57] She just like,

[00:42:58] she makes a comment.

[00:42:58] And I do like that they,

[00:42:59] they foreshadow this when he separates her from the case.

[00:43:04] She's a little bit sad about it at the time.

[00:43:06] You know,

[00:43:07] she's like,

[00:43:07] it was actually really nice being a star.

[00:43:10] I was a star.

[00:43:11] I felt special.

[00:43:12] And she says,

[00:43:13] she gets the case out of this temple and she says,

[00:43:16] I want the star to live.

[00:43:18] And she ends up absorbing it into herself.

[00:43:21] And then,

[00:43:22] okay.

[00:43:23] So here's another question.

[00:43:24] I'm,

[00:43:25] I know I'm trying too hard to apply logic,

[00:43:26] but let's just pick this apart for a second.

[00:43:28] So we keep hearing the flesh will rise and,

[00:43:33] sorry,

[00:43:34] what is it?

[00:43:34] The,

[00:43:35] um,

[00:43:35] the seed will bloom and the flesh will rise.

[00:43:37] And we find out the flesh rising ends up being joy carried up into the sky so that she and the other people who have been absorbed by the star can bloom together into this star and the star will shine everywhere forever.

[00:43:53] Um,

[00:43:54] but that was not the intended outcome for villain guard.

[00:43:57] So why is it that everyone who carries the case is saying this?

[00:44:01] The flesh will rise.

[00:44:02] Is that the star speaking for itself?

[00:44:05] So I,

[00:44:06] I actually,

[00:44:07] this is what I'm trying to say with the villain guard thing.

[00:44:09] I think that villain guard had a psychic control over the carriers until the doctor broke the connection with joy and Trev broke the connection internally.

[00:44:18] And so the plan was always for somebody to do exactly what joy did and rise up into the sky,

[00:44:25] but they were going to go to the destination of villain guards choosing.

[00:44:30] Okay.

[00:44:30] And instead joy was able to take the controls,

[00:44:32] go somewhere else.

[00:44:34] Right.

[00:44:34] And not destroy earth,

[00:44:36] which I don't know why villain guard wants to destroy earth,

[00:44:38] but it's villain guard.

[00:44:39] They're literally have villain in their name spelled differently.

[00:44:42] But actually my understanding was that the doctor realized right after the T-Rex incident,

[00:44:46] like,

[00:44:47] Oh,

[00:44:48] the last case holder was going to take it off planet.

[00:44:50] The plan wasn't to destroy earth.

[00:44:52] And I interrupted it,

[00:44:53] making it,

[00:44:54] it's going to go off without a carrier.

[00:44:57] Hmm.

[00:44:58] That's why earth was going to get destroyed.

[00:45:00] Okay.

[00:45:01] Okay.

[00:45:01] Hmm.

[00:45:02] Doctor accidentally created a big problem.

[00:45:06] Shocker,

[00:45:06] right?

[00:45:07] She points joy points out to him before she goes up into the sky that he needs to change

[00:45:12] too.

[00:45:12] And she's like,

[00:45:13] you were making fun of my sad hotel room,

[00:45:15] but you live there for a year,

[00:45:16] dude.

[00:45:18] Yeah.

[00:45:18] She was just going to stay there for a week.

[00:45:20] Yeah.

[00:45:22] And then we get this nice sequence at the end where,

[00:45:26] and this is another reason why it's probably a good idea that you've seen the other stuff

[00:45:30] because Ruby Sunday,

[00:45:31] we get a cameo of her watching the star as her mom calls her.

[00:45:36] I thought it was going to be the doctor on the phone maybe,

[00:45:39] but we're teasing us on purpose.

[00:45:43] We see Anita recruited by the time hotel,

[00:45:45] as you said.

[00:45:46] And yeah,

[00:45:47] we see that,

[00:45:48] uh,

[00:45:49] joy's mom's death in London in 2020.

[00:45:52] And she seems to have been pulled into the star.

[00:45:55] Is that how you interpreted it?

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:57] Timey,

[00:45:57] why me?

[00:45:57] She's,

[00:45:58] she recognizes that joy is the star.

[00:46:00] She gets pulled into it.

[00:46:02] Okay.

[00:46:02] And of course,

[00:46:03] then we find out that it's actually a little star of Bethlehem because it was over the birth of Jesus.

[00:46:11] So there we go.

[00:46:11] A touch of religion,

[00:46:12] but not really.

[00:46:13] Yeah.

[00:46:13] I was like,

[00:46:15] at the beginning,

[00:46:16] we said,

[00:46:16] I said,

[00:46:17] at least like,

[00:46:18] this never really goes religious in the doctor who Christmas specials.

[00:46:20] But like,

[00:46:20] I was like,

[00:46:21] Oh,

[00:46:21] this is actually like the most religious they've ever gotten with it.

[00:46:23] Yeah,

[00:46:23] it's true.

[00:46:24] We got a nativity moment.

[00:46:26] Yeah.

[00:46:26] Very strange.

[00:46:27] Well,

[00:46:27] we didn't go into the actual,

[00:46:29] there,

[00:46:29] there was also a joke earlier on,

[00:46:31] um,

[00:46:32] when the doctor is going through all the things,

[00:46:34] he goes,

[00:46:34] Oh,

[00:46:34] you put all the time zones together.

[00:46:36] No wonder there was no room at the end.

[00:46:38] Uh,

[00:46:39] yeah,

[00:46:39] true,

[00:46:41] true.

[00:46:42] Good joke.

[00:46:43] Good,

[00:46:43] good little Christmas joke.

[00:46:45] I have a question though,

[00:46:47] where I totally expected Mrs.

[00:46:49] Flood because they gave us a teaser with Mrs.

[00:46:51] Flood dressed in like this white fur coat and it's snowing.

[00:46:55] And I thought she was going to show up in this special,

[00:46:57] but there was no mention of her.

[00:47:00] Yeah.

[00:47:01] She must be a season two thing.

[00:47:02] Um,

[00:47:03] I'll talk more in the production spoilers because I want to,

[00:47:07] I want to just,

[00:47:09] uh,

[00:47:09] talk about a couple of things in there.

[00:47:10] You want to do that now?

[00:47:11] Yeah,

[00:47:12] go for it.

[00:47:12] All right.

[00:47:13] Listener.

[00:47:13] Look,

[00:47:14] this is not going to be heavy spoilers.

[00:47:15] All I really know is who's been cast.

[00:47:17] Uh,

[00:47:18] but skip ahead three minutes if you don't want to hear it.

[00:47:22] All right,

[00:47:23] now you're gone.

[00:47:24] So two things.

[00:47:25] One,

[00:47:26] we know that Ruby is back for season two.

[00:47:30] So we have more of that.

[00:47:31] So we're going to get more Mrs.

[00:47:33] Flood.

[00:47:33] I'm pretty sure.

[00:47:34] Yeah,

[00:47:34] for sure.

[00:47:35] I think that's going to be soon.

[00:47:36] But two,

[00:47:36] we also know,

[00:47:37] um,

[00:47:38] the villain guard,

[00:47:40] uh,

[00:47:40] woman,

[00:47:41] the soldier in boom,

[00:47:43] hold on.

[00:47:44] Let me just get her name.

[00:47:46] Right.

[00:47:46] we know the,

[00:47:47] the,

[00:47:48] the Vrata,

[00:47:49] Vrata Sethu is the actress's name from Andor.

[00:47:52] Yes.

[00:47:53] Yes.

[00:47:53] Yeah.

[00:47:53] We know she's coming back,

[00:47:54] but we don't know if she's playing the same character,

[00:47:56] right?

[00:47:56] I think she is.

[00:47:58] I think this villain guard thing is leading us to that.

[00:48:01] Okay.

[00:48:02] Which I would be really happy with.

[00:48:04] I don't,

[00:48:04] I think Dr.

[00:48:05] Who has often not done off world companions for a long time where they,

[00:48:11] they actually did in the,

[00:48:13] in classical.

[00:48:14] And for some reason,

[00:48:15] a new who it's very uncommon.

[00:48:16] I think the only one that we've gotten is,

[00:48:18] um,

[00:48:19] what's his name?

[00:48:21] Oh,

[00:48:21] um,

[00:48:22] the one who's played by Jacob Anderson.

[00:48:24] Yes.

[00:48:25] Yes.

[00:48:25] Does he count as a,

[00:48:26] yeah.

[00:48:26] Does he count as a companion during,

[00:48:28] uh,

[00:48:28] Whitaker's era?

[00:48:29] Oh no,

[00:48:30] I'm talking about,

[00:48:31] uh,

[00:48:31] Nardole.

[00:48:32] Oh,

[00:48:33] Nardole.

[00:48:33] Oh,

[00:48:34] right.

[00:48:34] Oh,

[00:48:34] I miss him.

[00:48:35] Yeah.

[00:48:36] But so we don't really get all for all companions very often.

[00:48:38] So I really like if we could get somebody out of earth,

[00:48:43] you know,

[00:48:44] just,

[00:48:44] just traveling with the doctor.

[00:48:46] Yeah.

[00:48:47] No,

[00:48:47] I like that too.

[00:48:48] I hope that they do keep the same character.

[00:48:50] She was,

[00:48:51] Mundy Flynn is her name in the show.

[00:48:53] Right.

[00:48:53] Okay.

[00:48:54] Played by Marata.

[00:48:55] Sunday,

[00:48:56] Monday.

[00:48:56] Cause Ruby Sunday.

[00:48:58] Yeah.

[00:48:58] Right.

[00:48:58] He made that.

[00:49:00] Ruby Sunday has got a case of Mondays.

[00:49:03] Yeah.

[00:49:03] That was in my hot lore summer song.

[00:49:07] All right.

[00:49:08] Well,

[00:49:08] that's,

[00:49:08] that's all the production spoilers I have.

[00:49:10] I don't.

[00:49:10] Now one thing is I'll say,

[00:49:12] I don't think they've been renewed for season three yet.

[00:49:14] And I would like to see that happen soon because they got to get going on

[00:49:17] production.

[00:49:18] If they're going to do their annual release,

[00:49:19] like they promised.

[00:49:20] Yeah.

[00:49:21] There was a thing where,

[00:49:22] um,

[00:49:23] shooty was going to be on like the Graham Norton show,

[00:49:26] I think,

[00:49:26] or something like that.

[00:49:27] And apparently he said something about production work on season three,

[00:49:32] but then when the show,

[00:49:33] and then that was released as a,

[00:49:36] someone who was there,

[00:49:37] you know,

[00:49:37] said,

[00:49:38] Oh,

[00:49:38] he's going to talk about this on this show.

[00:49:40] And then they ended up cutting that part out.

[00:49:42] So,

[00:49:43] Hmm.

[00:49:45] I don't know.

[00:49:46] I don't know.

[00:49:47] I think,

[00:49:47] I think it probably is in production,

[00:49:49] but they're just not ready to make an announcement yet.

[00:49:51] Or it's in pre-production.

[00:49:52] I mean,

[00:49:52] it just makes me nervous as,

[00:49:54] as a show that was canceled for like 20 years,

[00:49:59] right?

[00:49:59] Maybe not 20,

[00:49:59] it was like 15 years,

[00:50:00] but still it was canceled for like 15 years.

[00:50:03] That's,

[00:50:03] it's a little scary to see like,

[00:50:05] what's going to happen.

[00:50:06] We're in a new era now where,

[00:50:07] you know,

[00:50:08] this is partnership with Disney.

[00:50:10] And I just hope that the show can go on for another 50 years,

[00:50:12] you know?

[00:50:13] Well,

[00:50:13] I think that the worst case scenario at this point,

[00:50:16] what they've said is like,

[00:50:17] worst case scenario is they lose the Disney money and it just goes back to

[00:50:21] being a BBC only production.

[00:50:22] So that just the budget goes down a bunch.

[00:50:25] Yeah.

[00:50:25] I'd be okay with that.

[00:50:26] As long as,

[00:50:27] because I,

[00:50:28] for me,

[00:50:29] it's not the special effects that make the show.

[00:50:31] It's,

[00:50:31] it's the storytelling.

[00:50:32] It's the camp.

[00:50:33] It's the,

[00:50:34] it's,

[00:50:34] it's all of it.

[00:50:35] Mm hmm.

[00:50:36] Yeah.

[00:50:37] Yeah.

[00:50:38] Do you have any other thoughts on this episode?

[00:50:41] I had a lot of fun and I had more fun talking about it than,

[00:50:44] than I did at first.

[00:50:45] So yeah,

[00:50:46] I mean,

[00:50:47] look,

[00:50:47] it's a lot of fun.

[00:50:48] I would recommend anybody watch it that,

[00:50:50] that wants to,

[00:50:51] it's,

[00:50:51] it'll be a fun hour,

[00:50:52] right?

[00:50:53] It's just a fun hour.

[00:50:54] Right.

[00:50:54] Exactly.

[00:50:55] Exactly.

[00:50:56] Great cast.

[00:50:57] And yeah,

[00:50:57] my favorite part was,

[00:50:58] was that time he spent just being normal with Anita in the hotel.

[00:51:03] Like Anita really moved me.

[00:51:04] I genuinely teared up.

[00:51:05] Yeah.

[00:51:06] And I'm glad,

[00:51:06] I'm glad she had a happy ending.

[00:51:08] Yes.

[00:51:09] I want to work at the time hotel.

[00:51:10] I would do that.

[00:51:12] I know.

[00:51:12] Right.

[00:51:12] Except,

[00:51:13] except you're always exposed to the risk of being recruited for a star.

[00:51:17] Yeah.

[00:51:17] Nonsense.

[00:51:18] You know,

[00:51:19] you never know.

[00:51:19] You never know.

[00:51:20] They do have a lot of openings though.

[00:51:22] True.

[00:51:22] Well,

[00:51:22] you never know.

[00:51:23] Yeah.

[00:51:24] Cause people get eaten by dinosaurs,

[00:51:25] but do you get,

[00:51:27] if you were at the time hotel,

[00:51:29] do you get like free overnight stays,

[00:51:31] maybe one a year or more?

[00:51:34] You get three overnight.

[00:51:35] Right.

[00:51:36] What?

[00:51:36] you get like,

[00:51:37] Oh,

[00:51:38] It's part of your employee package.

[00:51:40] That's what I want.

[00:51:41] That's my demand.

[00:51:42] I don't know.

[00:51:43] I don't know.

[00:51:43] It seems very corporate to me.

[00:51:44] So I want to,

[00:51:45] I want to know the benefits package going in.

[00:51:47] Mm hmm.

[00:51:48] Not going to be sucked into something where I'm just delivering pumpkin lattes and ham and cheese toasties that are definitely not paninis to random rooms with no benefits.

[00:51:58] Yeah.

[00:51:59] I mean,

[00:51:59] yeah.

[00:52:00] What's the healthcare if,

[00:52:01] you know,

[00:52:01] you might get sucked into a star seed?

[00:52:04] Yeah,

[00:52:04] that's true.

[00:52:05] That's true.

[00:52:06] Although we did have the Silurian saying,

[00:52:08] did we forget his name by the way?

[00:52:11] Uh,

[00:52:11] not really.

[00:52:12] He's the hotel manager.

[00:52:14] That's,

[00:52:14] we know.

[00:52:15] Yeah.

[00:52:15] Well,

[00:52:15] we had Mr.

[00:52:16] Manager,

[00:52:17] the rest of the development fans.

[00:52:18] We'll laugh at that.

[00:52:18] Maybe.

[00:52:19] Uh,

[00:52:20] we had Mr.

[00:52:20] Manager saying that they were very kind when he,

[00:52:23] when he was discovered.

[00:52:24] So any other thoughts for you?

[00:52:27] Um,

[00:52:28] just that I am.

[00:52:30] Yeah.

[00:52:30] I'm eager for season two.

[00:52:32] I'm really excited.

[00:52:33] Let's,

[00:52:33] let's bring this on.

[00:52:35] Yeah.

[00:52:35] I'm very excited.

[00:52:38] Yeah.

[00:52:39] Um,

[00:52:40] I,

[00:52:40] yeah.

[00:52:41] Or season 15 as it might be called.

[00:52:44] Yeah.

[00:52:44] I,

[00:52:45] I've given up on that.

[00:52:46] I'm just,

[00:52:47] I'm just going to be like,

[00:52:48] all right,

[00:52:48] I'll call it season two because that's what it's going to show up on Disney plus.

[00:52:51] And I don't want to confuse new people because I think that this show deserves a bigger audience than it has.

[00:52:56] And I want to recruit more people.

[00:52:58] Right.

[00:52:58] And that will help us get more too.

[00:53:01] Well,

[00:53:01] we definitely want to hear what everyone else thinks about this episode and,

[00:53:05] and,

[00:53:05] uh,

[00:53:06] the upcoming season two,

[00:53:07] please send in your own Dr.

[00:53:08] Who thoughts via TARDIS at the lorehounds.com.

[00:53:13] And yeah,

[00:53:14] what,

[00:53:14] what else we got coming up?

[00:53:15] We've got a Dune prophecy.

[00:53:17] The final episode is just came out.

[00:53:20] So I guess David and I will be recording.

[00:53:22] Oh yeah.

[00:53:23] We have plans a hot takes on December 24th on Christmas Eve.

[00:53:28] We're going to record.

[00:53:29] So,

[00:53:29] um,

[00:53:31] and then also he just recently put out the star Trek episode.

[00:53:34] I think there's going to be more star Trek stuff coming in the future.

[00:53:37] Um,

[00:53:38] you and Marilyn just recorded the skeleton crew mid season.

[00:53:41] we did.

[00:53:42] And I remember to include your voicemails when,

[00:53:44] when I often forget to include voicemails.

[00:53:47] With my very important thoughts and theories.

[00:53:50] Don't worry.

[00:53:50] They were good conversations artists too.

[00:53:51] I got to say,

[00:53:52] I don't know if you had a chance to listen,

[00:53:54] but they,

[00:53:55] uh,

[00:53:55] they were fun.

[00:53:56] Oh,

[00:53:57] I didn't even realize it was out actually.

[00:53:58] Um,

[00:53:59] Oh yeah.

[00:53:59] I have to refresh.

[00:54:00] I get behind on podcasts when I'm visiting my family.

[00:54:03] Um,

[00:54:04] and also Wicked's coming out,

[00:54:06] uh,

[00:54:07] and Joker to plus Joker versus madcap.

[00:54:10] That's going to be out right after Christmas.

[00:54:12] I just have to wrap up doing the will shift us Christmas episodes.

[00:54:15] Um,

[00:54:16] but I saw you put out the last of the Netflix Christmas first episodes.

[00:54:19] Yes.

[00:54:19] I put it out for patrons already,

[00:54:20] but,

[00:54:20] but it'll be public by the time this drops.

[00:54:22] So.

[00:54:23] Okay.

[00:54:23] You can,

[00:54:23] you can enjoy our little secret and hot frosty.

[00:54:26] Right.

[00:54:28] And,

[00:54:28] uh,

[00:54:29] subscribers get access to extra Christmas episodes,

[00:54:33] the Christmas prints and the princess switch.

[00:54:36] Um,

[00:54:37] and the usual 11 Z's and second breakfast,

[00:54:39] where we talk about breakfast foods and life and what's going on and

[00:54:42] everything.

[00:54:42] Peak behind the curtains,

[00:54:44] um,

[00:54:45] on wool shift dust.

[00:54:46] Oh,

[00:54:46] can I just say we do have on Christmas day.

[00:54:50] So this will already be out.

[00:54:51] Um,

[00:54:52] our top 10 second breakfast,

[00:54:53] which is public.

[00:54:54] Oh,

[00:54:54] right.

[00:54:54] Right.

[00:54:55] Okay.

[00:54:55] True.

[00:54:56] On the public feed.

[00:54:57] Yeah.

[00:54:58] And,

[00:54:58] we'll shift us.

[00:54:59] There's also a Christmas Carol,

[00:55:00] uh,

[00:55:02] series going on.

[00:55:03] So that should be all be out by the time,

[00:55:05] uh,

[00:55:06] this comes out.

[00:55:07] And also of course,

[00:55:09] ongoing silo coverage that's continuing through January 17th is when,

[00:55:14] uh,

[00:55:14] the episodes are airing.

[00:55:16] Do also check out the rest of the network,

[00:55:18] the star Wars Canon timeline podcast from me properly.

[00:55:21] Howard is doing a few good films right now.

[00:55:24] Radioactive ramblings is doing,

[00:55:25] uh,

[00:55:26] Ghibli and red rising and arcane.

[00:55:29] They,

[00:55:30] I think they just released the last arcane episode.

[00:55:32] Um,

[00:55:33] nevermind.

[00:55:34] The music is combining psychology and music and catch up on severance season one on this separate severance feed because January is when season two starting.

[00:55:45] Are you excited for that?

[00:55:47] I've been emailing Apple every two weeks.

[00:55:49] Can I have my screeners please?

[00:55:51] But they're not ready yet.

[00:55:52] I'm so excited.

[00:55:53] They're like,

[00:55:54] thanks,

[00:55:54] John.

[00:55:55] Can you write back in a few weeks?

[00:55:56] And I'm like,

[00:55:57] no.

[00:55:59] Um,