MCUniverse: X-Men '97 - Season One Review

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[00:01:36] I'm John and this is our coverage of season one of X-Men 97 on Disney Plus,

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[00:02:54] Um now ordinarily Jean would be here with us obviously but uh he's unable to be here due to

[00:03:00] a family tragedy so we just want to say that we love and miss you Jean and uh we'll be here with

[00:03:05] hugs when you're ready to get back on the mic. I want to do a follow-up episode to this one to get

[00:03:10] Jean's thoughts on this on the season because I know he's very excited about it so then we can

[00:03:15] dive deeper into the comic book comparisons and cameos and all that nerd shit.

[00:03:19] You also might notice that I'm not David. With the crush of content coming out right now we've

[00:03:24] decided to divide and conquer and since Alicia is now a full host in her own right she and Jean

[00:03:28] can take the lead in the Marvel universe and David or I can jump in on an episode if we're feeling

[00:03:33] especially excited about a show or movie just like right now. So yeah so this uh show X-Men 97 is a

[00:03:44] direct continuation of the original animated series from the 90s but it's written so newbies

[00:03:49] can jump in and and Jean you said you had no trouble following? I really had no trouble

[00:03:54] following. I think the most confused I was was actually in the finale. Okay. But and I'll I'll

[00:04:02] get to that are we doing spoiler free right now? Yeah spoiler free right now we'll let you guys

[00:04:06] all know when the spoilers kick in. Okay so yeah the the most confused I was was in the finale but

[00:04:10] I'll say why. Okay. But but even so I still enjoyed the character arcs and the moments between

[00:04:17] the different groups and and the competing motivations. It had these like really complex

[00:04:23] character arcs. I think the biggest thing that made me light up to this show was I don't have

[00:04:31] to know anything else in the MCU. Right okay. And I'm I'm someone who watched pretty much most of

[00:04:37] the MCU up till Endgame and then fell off. And so I I can't keep up these days. I try I try to turn

[00:04:44] on Loki even Loki it's a really great self-contained story but it still feels like I would get so much

[00:04:49] more out of it if I knew the whole MCU. This just feels like it's its own thing we're telling a

[00:04:54] contained story and I can just sit back and enjoy. I think it is still one that you know if you know

[00:05:01] if you know the original story if you know you know all these characters because there's an

[00:05:05] insane number of cameos popping up in the background which like I said I want to get

[00:05:09] into R'john but I do think that that adds to it but maybe you notice it less in this case because

[00:05:16] it's explicitly set in a different universe from the MCU. I think too the cameos and references

[00:05:23] are a lot less remember remember it's more subtle in the background whereas sometimes I'm watching

[00:05:29] an MCU show and I'm like okay here's the bit where they bring Hulk in for a minute and you know what

[00:05:34] I mean. They did that in this show too though. That's true that's true that's true but at least

[00:05:39] it felt like it it felt like it made sense in the story. I never felt like anybody was forced in.

[00:05:45] No no no and they just and it's a blink and you miss it they're not like look see look it's just

[00:05:49] you catch it or you know you don't. Right right. But what does what made you decide to give this

[00:05:56] a try in the first place? I was a huge X-Men fan as a kid I didn't I probably did watch the show at

[00:06:02] some point but not like regularly. I was such a big fan of the X-Men arcade game every time I would

[00:06:12] find my way to Chuck E. Cheese whether for a birthday party or something like that I you know

[00:06:16] I would do the tunnels and stuff but I mostly hung out by the X-Men arcade game and I would play as

[00:06:22] Nightcrawler every time because that was my favorite guy and I would just go to town I would just use

[00:06:28] up all my tokens playing this X-Men arcade game which I'm so happy about one of the episodes but

[00:06:33] we'll get to that. Oh right okay cool because I was going to ask you about that for sure.

[00:06:37] Yeah I grew up this was actually my gateway into Marvel this animated series because I was

[00:06:44] uh I was just the right age when it was on TV and I was I was really into before that my whole

[00:06:51] thing was She-Ra and I was like oh now I'm all about X-Men and I'm obsessed with Storm and I

[00:06:55] want to change my name to Storm and Storm is so cool didn't didn't go along with that one but yeah

[00:07:01] yeah I mean I have enjoyed a lot of X-Men media over the years like I really liked the original

[00:07:07] X-Men trilogy in the early 2000s. I watched Logan and I thought it was fantastic like I think that's

[00:07:12] still one of the best superhero movies they've made. Yeah no absolutely I mean yeah X-Men has

[00:07:18] always been one of my favorite parts of uh of the entire you know Marvel pantheon of content

[00:07:24] and so when I hear Bob Iger say stuff like oh we're gonna go back to the classics I'm like oh

[00:07:30] no not like Iron Man and you know Captain America sorry they're fine but whatever then I'm like oh

[00:07:36] wait he means X-Men yes yes yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah I think what's cool about the X-Men compared

[00:07:42] to the rest of the MCU and and especially compared to DC is that X-Men really highlights the difference

[00:07:49] between the two universes whereas the DC superheroes are these super humans or aliens

[00:07:55] that are you know morally perfect most of the time and are just overpowered and the only way that

[00:08:03] anything troubles them is when their powers are nerfed or there's this like incredibly incredibly

[00:08:08] powerful supervillain here it's like oh these are regular people who just got thrown into this

[00:08:14] and they are they have flaws they don't act perfectly they upset each other they're

[00:08:19] you know they make mistakes and that's more interesting to me right yeah I agree this is

[00:08:26] why I've always been more of a Marvel girl than a DC person um I just the yeah the the it's rougher

[00:08:36] darker grayer shades of morality and X-Men has always been especially a hotbed for this sort of

[00:08:42] storytelling that very clearly reflects the real world but not being too on the nose like we talked

[00:08:47] about with that one Doctor Who episode mm-hmm yeah I don't I never felt preached to on this

[00:08:52] right yeah um so what are your hot takes on the season overall spoiler free I thought it was

[00:09:00] really great I I was shockingly into it from like episode one I watched episode one and I

[00:09:06] immediately messaged you and said I'm coming on the pod yeah and then the next day you're like

[00:09:10] I've watched the first five now yeah and then the following day actually I think it was later that

[00:09:14] day I was like okay I finished it yeah uh I was so into this and I had I was like humming to myself

[00:09:21] as I was cleaning I was like it's got such catchy music it's so iconic theme song yeah it's so 90s

[00:09:28] I love it the animation is cool I hate Xavier's voice but other than that the voice acting is great

[00:09:35] and I don't know it's just such every episode feels like it has enough plot to last half a

[00:09:40] season yes I know it's so such a breakneck pace that the season's going in yeah sometimes a little

[00:09:48] too fast for me but um I just because I think there's you can get so much more out of these

[00:09:53] stories like sometimes it's actually I mean I guess that's always the case when you adapt from

[00:09:58] a literary source and yes I'm calling comics literature for this analogy um your your

[00:10:05] pairing down the story a bit and that's what happened you know yeah but it's just it's just

[00:10:10] crazy to me that they they do well doing these breakneck speed arcs where one episode will

[00:10:17] contain like a full character arc a lot of the time mm-hmm yeah it's so good and and in like

[00:10:23] a 28 minute episode right they're not long no exactly I mean that's why another reason why

[00:10:29] it's easy to binge so if you haven't seen it you can binge it in a day easily yeah and I again

[00:10:35] I've been a known hater of the MCU and not really you know I don't I don't hate it I just it's not

[00:10:40] my main thing you've checked out yeah this really excited me yeah yeah I think I mean for comics

[00:10:47] lovers it's maybe the best comics adaptation ever the original series was also but I don't know

[00:10:55] this is just it's surprising to me like you think oh but they're not going to do that on screen and

[00:11:00] like oh yes they do this is not a kid show by the way I think we can agree on that yeah yeah it's

[00:11:06] it's pretty violent and and it deals with a lot of adult themes like what it means to become a

[00:11:11] parent and things like that and and how marriages are built on trust and what happens when that

[00:11:17] trust is broken a little bit yeah it's tough it's it's really and and like complex moral

[00:11:25] debates right between I mean the debate between Xavier and Magneto is something that I think is

[00:11:31] universal and spoiler free universal within the x-men stuff this whole idea of one wants to

[00:11:36] integrate with society one wants to you know basically win well yeah because he he says

[00:11:43] they'll never accept us so we have to if we want to live free we need to be in charge right and so

[00:11:49] I it's a really interesting debate and they do really interesting things with it that I wasn't

[00:11:54] expecting even from episode one yeah yeah because it is true that you know the x-men themes are

[00:12:00] always the same it's always about the outsiders and you know how society treats them treats people

[00:12:07] who they are afraid of um yeah and found family kind of themes yeah but they managed to still make

[00:12:15] the stories definitely covering these themes but feeling fresh with new angles yeah yeah and that

[00:12:22] could be also that I've not been watching x-men stuff for years right but I don't know it's it's

[00:12:29] it's really fresh to me it feels it feels exciting to me in a way that I haven't been excited for

[00:12:34] an MCU property in a long time yeah yeah I also like how they updated the art versus the original

[00:12:42] um it still feels the same and it's like has this retro animation I keep staring at the animation

[00:12:48] and noticing how much they hold still and animate just little parts which is a good way to save

[00:12:54] money but it still looks great they um yeah I love the way they the vivid colors that they use

[00:13:01] and uh I just in general the characters not just how they look because I love also that they have

[00:13:08] sort of a fashion show of iconic comic book looks going on throughout like and now here's storm with

[00:13:15] the mohawk and now here's storm with her classic black suit you know right right but I I love just

[00:13:22] the this version of the characters this is who I hope the MCU is using as the model for their

[00:13:29] take on x-men they're not that's not you don't that's not true it's I'm just look I

[00:13:37] oh ye of little faith it's me oh me of little faith no I it's not that I like I do think that

[00:13:44] there is merit to having different versions of comic book characters because comics have

[00:13:50] different versions of those characters and I would be okay with seeing as long as it's an

[00:13:56] interesting story with compelling characters I'd be okay with seeing different versions and having

[00:14:00] this be like the animated series version sure I mean not like literal but it is this is still going

[00:14:06] to be part of the same multiverse so um it is for instance you know we saw Charles Xavier in

[00:14:13] a doctor strange uh multiverse of madness we saw him in his yellow thing from this series you know

[00:14:19] we saw the version of beast that was modeled after his character from this series at the end

[00:14:25] of the marvels so they are definitely you know it's they're all different versions of Loki in

[00:14:33] Loki but uh some are completely different and some are quite close so it you know it'll be the same

[00:14:39] with the x-men characters are we gonna get crocodile cyclops I hope so with lasers for in

[00:14:46] his eyes yeah yeah seems dangerous yeah um so yeah normally it's been a while since we've done an MCU

[00:14:53] episode and normally we'd go through some marvel news but I'm gonna save most of that to talk over

[00:14:59] with Jean because you know we have to respond to things like the spider within shorts and the fan

[00:15:04] fantastic forecastings and the Deadpool and Wolverine hype and all the stuff Bob Iger is

[00:15:09] saying the upcoming schedule and blah blah blah so um yeah that's we're gonna have a proper nerd

[00:15:15] out about that at some point but I will say right now that I am super excited for Agatha all along

[00:15:22] and always knowing it's gonna be maybe not always but I've known for a long time that's

[00:15:25] going to be the title and the rest of the fake out titles are episode titles um that is pretty

[00:15:30] funny that's a good bit that they did yeah I think the last one they did was Agatha the lying

[00:15:37] witch with great wardrobe like people like come on you're just trolling us now and they're like

[00:15:41] yeah actually we are it's Agatha all along that's pretty funny though I I do appreciate a good bit

[00:15:47] and they did it they pulled it off but yeah that that series is going to start with a double

[00:15:54] episode on September 18th and I definitely want to do weekly coverage of that it's one of the

[00:15:59] shows I'm most excited for um that's interesting because I turned to my wife when I saw that on

[00:16:05] our discord because you know we talk a lot about tv news and film news on our discord I turned my

[00:16:10] wife I turned to my wife and I said who asked for this me I asked and then like minutes later you

[00:16:17] said I'm so excited for this and I was like oh Alicia asked for it of course I asked for this

[00:16:22] it's a basically like a sequel to WandaVision and it's centered on witches yes this is written

[00:16:28] for me I love that actor I think she's super hilarious I don't know Catherine Hahn yeah I

[00:16:34] love her in Parks and Rec and whatnot but and she was really good in like the visit if you ever saw

[00:16:38] that horror movie very good one uh but I just was not a big fan of the Agatha character and I did

[00:16:45] watch all of WandaVision well I am sorry for you because she's amazing okay all right maybe I'll

[00:16:53] tune in maybe I'll tune in and see what's going on yeah and I'm excited for Aubrey Plaza's gonna

[00:16:57] play a fun character too and um it's yeah and we got Patti LuPone in there and yeah I think

[00:17:06] what makes me hesitant is it's a spin-off of a spin-off and I was already a little lost in some

[00:17:12] points with WandaVision I think WandaVision's a spin-off was a spin-off of the movies is every

[00:17:18] tv show is spin-off of I mean it's all an interconnected universe and you know Agatha

[00:17:25] is a character in her own right in the comics so she's okay her do I thought this was a show

[00:17:30] creation the entire time no no she's well then I'm just stupid no that's fine that's really you know

[00:17:37] that's really what's going on here no I think again what what makes me hesitant to watch it is

[00:17:42] the interconnectivity right is is what am I gonna miss um and and that's I think something I wanted

[00:17:48] to do in this podcast okay well something something that I want to pose on this podcast is

[00:17:55] is it worth it for Marvel to start opening up other parts of the multiverse and not have them

[00:18:02] connect very often well I think that that's part of what they're doing now with stuff like this but

[00:18:08] also there's something coming and a big event coming in a few years called secret wars and

[00:18:14] that's going to be what ends this current saga and secret wars is basically a wiping clean of

[00:18:21] everything so all the universes are already starting to collide in the stories and it comes

[00:18:28] to like a battle royale and then um just they can pick and choose which characters they want to

[00:18:34] survive in which versions from which universes and then kind of like start over fresh in a way

[00:18:39] yeah I mean this kind of thing has been on my mind because you know we just rebooted doctor who with

[00:18:45] a soft reboot and I'm just like how do you onboard new people I mean doctor who is even worse because

[00:18:51] it's a 60 year show but this is like 20 years I mean there's gen z-ers who are into the marvel

[00:18:58] stuff that weren't even born when iron man came out right and I just don't know I don't know if

[00:19:06] it's effective to keep going further down the member berry rabbit hole with all this but again

[00:19:12] I I may not be the target audience right and that's okay I mean I think yeah they so they

[00:19:19] do have this plan to wipe the slate clean and I think they were going to hold the x-men back until

[00:19:24] after that until people are like unhappy with them and they're like oh okay no no no no we

[00:19:27] have x-men we have x-men um but I do yeah I understand where you're coming from I think

[00:19:36] it's this completionist syndrome thing because really you can watch anything on its own and

[00:19:40] just enjoy it on its own it's just that our own mental blocks that are like no but I must know

[00:19:46] all of the context yeah yeah well that well that but also you know there are movies that they put

[00:19:53] out in recent years where the criticism is this was a bridge movie why did you have to make this

[00:19:58] its own thing right like I think quantum media had that criticism right yeah I mean quantumanium just

[00:20:05] felt too flimsy overall for me that was my issue with it well anyway I'm done complaining I think

[00:20:12] the point I'm trying to make is this series really excited me and felt inviting right right it's in

[00:20:18] a way that I haven't felt invited to the party in a while and I'm wondering if doing more of this

[00:20:25] would get more people excited for these properties yeah although I have to say that uh they are

[00:20:30] probably they're teasing an interconnected animated series because the 90s animated series

[00:20:36] were interconnected and now we're getting cameos from other characters from like the fantastic

[00:20:41] four and spider-man and stuff so they might end up having an interconnected animated series

[00:20:46] okay well but like if you're doing two or three series slightly interconnected cool yeah I just

[00:20:52] you know how many movies are there now like it's you know what I mean like it's yeah it's a lot of

[00:20:56] stuff to keep track I understand yeah um well so I have good news and bad news about the future of

[00:21:03] this series the good news is that uh season two is written and in development and season three has

[00:21:09] already been greenlit um the bad news is that Bo DeMeo who is basically considered the brainchild

[00:21:18] behind this incarnation of it like he was the one who came in with the passion he's like as a queer

[00:21:22] black man this is a story I need to tell and I'll had all these ideas and uh he's been fired we

[00:21:29] don't exactly know why there's you know there's stuff being said about an only fans but the Marvel

[00:21:35] executives have come out and said it's not that or at least it's not only that so I'm not going

[00:21:40] to speculate but um we do know he was involved in the writing of season two but presumably he's not

[00:21:47] going to be involved in season three but the director the supervising director uh Jake Castanera

[00:21:54] Castorena I think he will be so there is that bridge and presumably the rest of the writers

[00:22:00] room is there so I'm not so concerned about season three but I just we have to address that up front

[00:22:06] yeah that's a shame and again let's not speculate but yeah it's always a shame when sort of the the

[00:22:12] head of these shows has to head out when they're doing a good job as far as the content I don't

[00:22:17] know what he was doing behind the scenes right but as far as the content I mean this was fantastic

[00:22:23] yeah I mean if I am if there's a reason to fire him but you know if it's not like uh but there's

[00:22:31] anyway not going to speculate uh but I've still I'm not gonna worry about it until I think there's

[00:22:37] something to worry about because everyone else is still on board and it takes more than one person

[00:22:42] to make a show like this and to make this show what it is so right now all right should we

[00:22:52] we're on the same brain here we've got a transition out of I'm trying to see

[00:22:57] should we teleport who's teleporting um night night crawler night crawler teleports let's let's

[00:23:03] teleport into the spoiler section okay but after after a break all right see you there

[00:23:29] okay shall we get into the spoilers now I would love to at first before so we're gonna go through

[00:23:36] the major story arcs uh one at a time but before that I'm curious what is the part in the last

[00:23:42] episode that you were a little confused about oh it's the phoenix thing I was like how the hell

[00:23:45] did this happen what is this where did this come from I get the sense that this has happened before

[00:23:51] but I have no context right I did think that too where that happened I was like that came out of

[00:23:57] nowhere even though I know so there's there's a couple iconic long story arcs in the original

[00:24:03] series about Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force and um even have you know knowing all that and

[00:24:09] of course we've also seen that story adapted in uh in the movies twice and neither of them

[00:24:14] held a candle to the version of the animated series um but even knowing all that I was like

[00:24:19] that came out of nowhere and went it was but it was a wild roller coaster ride it was just kind of a

[00:24:24] deus ex machina situation yeah I didn't know what was happening and you're right it was a deus ex

[00:24:30] machina but at the same time this kind of series it feels right to have a deus ex machina yeah yeah

[00:24:37] no it's a comic book series first and foremost that and I do think that the overall resolution

[00:24:42] felt earned this whole thing with Charles and Magnus so yeah I was I was still fine with it

[00:24:49] I was just like I gotta ask Alicia about the phoenix thing on the podcast like I don't

[00:24:53] what is the phoenix force what is anything about this how did this happen yeah no I mean we'll

[00:24:59] talk about that a little more in the end but it's just basically this um it's it's a force that

[00:25:05] comes back in the comics like several different people have it in the comics but most iconically

[00:25:11] Jean Grey and it's kind of like an alien entity that takes over the body and gives extra powers

[00:25:18] and uh yeah makes you very op but then they can conveniently separate you from the alien from the

[00:25:24] alien entity because you know it can bring on bad behavior um when they want to power down that

[00:25:31] character yeah there were a lot of ways that they played with power level in this series

[00:25:39] yeah absolutely let's let's get into the arcs first okay so yeah before we get to Jean Grey

[00:25:44] let's start with the Summers family saga so Scott aka Cyclops and Jean Grey seem very happy and have

[00:25:51] a happy little baby together until the real Jean Grey shows up at their door and they realize that

[00:25:56] who they thought was Jean Grey is actually a clone who they start calling Madeline Pryor

[00:26:00] she is the young baby Nathan's mom and the person who's been living with and loving Scott all this

[00:26:06] time how much time exactly no one knows when Mr. Sinister infects the baby with a techno virus

[00:26:12] making its return from the original series time traveler Bishop takes the child into the future

[00:26:18] where he can be cured but his parents cannot follow shaken to her core and prodded on by her

[00:26:23] creator Mr. Sinister Madeline transforms into the goblin queen but once Jean talks her down

[00:26:29] she leaves the X-Men compound and Jean slips uneasily back into her life there with Scott

[00:26:36] so first of all how trippy cool was episode three fire made flesh

[00:26:41] what happened in that episode because that was the episode thing right that was the episode where

[00:26:46] they start like like Gambit sees Rogue and Magneto kind of like morphing together and

[00:26:54] they're all seeing their nightmares and the house is kind of morphing like oh yeah yeah that was cool

[00:26:59] that was yeah and then Jean's like enough of that we're all chilling here yeah this whole

[00:27:06] I have a lot of questions about this Jean Grey thing okay this clone thing like why does she

[00:27:11] have the memories of Madeline yeah I mean they haven't because they uh they're psychics basically

[00:27:19] so and they just have that mental link okay they just had an unaware mental yeah I mean I guess

[00:27:26] because so basically Mr. Sinister uh he's a classic villain and he has a great standalone

[00:27:32] episode in the original series if anyone wants to watch you can just watch that episode set

[00:27:36] in the 19th century called Descent it's from season 5 episode 12 and um you see he's he's

[00:27:42] always been all about like experimenting with mutants and trying to create like the ultimate

[00:27:47] mutant and he was kind of involved with the early mutant development of both Jean Grey

[00:27:55] and the Summers family so um he thinks their child is going to be the ultimate ultimate mutant

[00:28:03] and um so he's manipulating things too and he wants his child that's why at the end he's like

[00:28:09] you said that I could have cable you know that's interesting that's interesting I like that

[00:28:15] backstory I think I'm gonna be honest I'm probably gonna go back and watch the animated series this

[00:28:20] has inspired me a lot of people have started going back now and it's it's a rougher watch just

[00:28:25] because it's from the 90s and the animations you know but uh it's it's worth it it's slow it start

[00:28:31] but then by the end it yeah it gets into those sweeping storylines like the Phoenix Saga

[00:28:35] I did see one TikTok where somebody took a took a little clip of I forgot who it was but somebody

[00:28:43] going to save somebody in the water and going like ah like screaming really weirdly

[00:28:49] as they dive down and I was like this is so 90s I love it

[00:28:52] um yeah and I do have to say one change in this show that I noticed that I don't love is um I got

[00:29:04] mad I found a lot at the female characters like it felt like the female characters were often

[00:29:09] portrayed in ways that were untrustworthy and like for instance when Jean kisses Wolverine

[00:29:17] and then gets jealous about Scott and I know that that's something that can happen but I don't know

[00:29:21] I'll bring up a couple more examples that happen but um that's something that maybe could change in

[00:29:27] season three if the if we get some of course on the other hand there are kind characters like Storm

[00:29:33] like no one would ever write Storm is anything but awesome well sorry I say that but the Foxmen

[00:29:39] movies exist um I don't remember what happened in those so and I did enjoy them when they came out

[00:29:46] but I don't remember like anything about them but yeah I see what you're saying like Rogue has her

[00:29:52] trustworthy issues too uh but I mean we we do get some pretty iffy storylines with the men too I mean

[00:29:59] Cyclops not saying about it Nathan is icky I guess I've never loved that character though

[00:30:07] Cyclops in general yeah yeah yeah fair enough he's he's a little generic yeah he's too he's

[00:30:14] the DC character in this group oh you're right he is the DC character and he's even got one of the

[00:30:20] Superman powers true uh and and of course you have Magneto who's been on and off building forever

[00:30:29] you've got but I but I get your point is like even the heroes in this story that are female

[00:30:36] have these portrayals of being untrustworthy yeah yeah I do like Jubilee like Jubilee

[00:30:44] I know that they were like even she turns on Sunspot in the end when they fight

[00:30:50] okay all right I I see your point yeah but okay so speaking of the only uh no I don't mean to be

[00:31:00] dramatic but speaking of Storm uh so we get also in the midst of all this uh Summer's family drama

[00:31:07] in a battle Storm gets blasted with a gun that strips her of her powers and after leaving the

[00:31:12] X-Men she meets a bionic man named Forge and they fall in love live in isolation as he tries to cure

[00:31:18] her and she finds out that he had a hand in inventing the technology that did this to her

[00:31:23] but she forgives him and ultimately it's the meddling of a demon named adversary who helps

[00:31:30] her heal herself and get her powers back yeah that part baffled me yeah what is happening with

[00:31:37] this demon like there were there was a certain part where I just had to let go and say I'm not

[00:31:41] gonna understand all this I'm just gonna have to take them at their word right I think yeah this

[00:31:46] show does demand a certain amount of that yeah I think I know Jean is going to be especially

[00:31:51] excited to talk about this storyline because I know he was a big fan of the adaptation choices

[00:31:55] they made yeah yeah I know I saw Jean going like Storm in our chat uh he and I share a love of

[00:32:04] Storm I mean Storm's super cool the the thing that worried me the most about Storm in episode

[00:32:09] one I was like okay she's basically like a deity like she is so OP she is how do they ever lose any

[00:32:17] any battles right yeah well I mean this is yeah why she has to be depowered at some points

[00:32:23] but you notice that um when she first shows up to fight the sentinels at the beginning of the

[00:32:28] season they say omega level threat detected and a bunch of us were taking to twitter like yes

[00:32:34] they finally said it in a show she's an omega level threat which is the only she and Magneto

[00:32:40] in this show are classified as omega level threats um well I guess the phoenix force but

[00:32:46] yeah and I have plenty of questions about the scope of Jean Grey's powers too

[00:32:51] uh they're also they don't take fall damage in the show can we also say that

[00:32:57] there's no just a little bit of super healing I don't know they just

[00:33:00] just imagine just imagine beast chasing them around healing them up

[00:33:07] yeah oh but yeah they also characters who are supposed to be dead uh aren't necessarily did you

[00:33:14] did you think that Charles was dead at the start of the season when they said that

[00:33:19] or did you I didn't I thought it was an interesting framing okay yeah I was convinced

[00:33:25] um and then he comes back and you're like oh yeah that's a different story I I did not care

[00:33:32] for the whole shiar plot line okay well just to run through the shiar plot line real quick

[00:33:37] so uh the viewers of the original show know that professor x was taken off world in a coma

[00:33:43] at the end of the previous show by the love of his life the shiar empress lelandra

[00:33:48] to save him using their superior technology and he's now set to become the shiar empire

[00:33:55] sorry emperor uh but the bird people won't accept him because death bird lelandra's evil sexy sister

[00:34:00] keeps stirring shit up and he's asked to wipe his memory of his human past and his x-men but

[00:34:07] ultimately can't do it and he takes the shiar to school literally in the astral plane uh to talk

[00:34:12] to them about their behavior but once he becomes aware of a tragic event on earth he realizes

[00:34:17] it's time to go home so yeah and this is another one where lelandra asked him to forget everything

[00:34:23] that makes him him like what what kind of behavior is that that's not love and that's not then it's

[00:34:29] not him anymore like me without my memories is not me exactly yeah um and also another thing

[00:34:37] that I don't know how I feel about the fact he has that shiar armor that allows him to walk

[00:34:43] uh just because I know a lot of people don't like stories about disabilities being quote-unquote

[00:34:51] fixed you know yeah I hear that but they drop it pretty quick yeah they do they do he's right back

[00:34:58] he's right back yeah but yeah I just didn't like the shiar plot line shinar she are she are okay

[00:35:06] I see I see shiner somewhere oh sorry that uh auto corrects yeah it's wheel of time uh the

[00:35:11] shiar plot line I didn't really care for in general I just think that the whole taking them

[00:35:15] to school was kind of silly the whole will like he's not gonna forget his stuff although this

[00:35:21] show does do surprising things at times uh I I just it felt it felt like a an unnecessary pit stop

[00:35:33] you know what I mean it just felt to me like okay we're definitely gonna go back to earth so when

[00:35:39] is that happening now at the same time I think that would have felt less like an unnecessary pit

[00:35:44] stop if I had known he was taken there at the end of the animated series right right I think

[00:35:49] that is one of the ones they were adding this right yeah because it is just the shiar in general

[00:35:55] the whole friction with them because they're an imperialist culture a conquering culture

[00:36:00] so there's lots of battles with them before uh charles and lelandra fall in love so that is

[00:36:06] probably one of the storylines that's more gives more to people who saw the original series

[00:36:13] yeah that makes sense that makes sense so yeah there are there are places where it helps to

[00:36:18] know the original series though I did enjoy most of this series a lot without it yeah yeah um

[00:36:27] and jubilee yeah you're saying you like jubilee so the she meets someone called sunspot and the

[00:36:33] junior x-men team grows uh so his name is robert roberto da costa and he's the scion of a wealthy

[00:36:40] brazilian american family and he's afraid to tell his parents about his mutant powers

[00:36:46] he and jubilee start dating and she convinces him to come out to his parents and mom seems

[00:36:51] surprisingly accepting at first but in like a let's just keep this private way which jubilee's

[00:36:57] rightfully pissed off about and but when push comes to shove and the mutants start being targeted

[00:37:03] mom turns her own son in sending him reeling toward the darker side of the mutant philosophy

[00:37:08] philosophical thinking so yeah you know i i i really like this plot line with his parents

[00:37:19] especially sunspot because you know we talked in doctor who about how some adoptees are saying

[00:37:27] the whole ruby plot line is exhausting because the only story they ever tell about an adoptee

[00:37:33] is who are my birth parents right and with coming out as a mutant you know you can see the obvious

[00:37:43] comparison to like coming out as gay or trans or something like that uh to your parents and you

[00:37:50] know it reminds me almost of like the twist in schitt's creek i don't want to spoil that entirely

[00:37:55] but the way that you know the the parents are upset not that the their son is gay but that he

[00:38:02] didn't want to tell them right exactly i think for a lot of people yeah and so this this feels like

[00:38:09] another twist on this right like oh yeah you're fine with us but we got to worry about the the

[00:38:16] capital what other people say yes yeah yeah and that's that's more interesting to me than

[00:38:23] either or the explicit rejection or explicit acceptance right no i mean i've yeah i know that

[00:38:29] uh when people say well it's not that i don't want you to date such and such i just don't want

[00:38:36] you to deal with the fallouts that dating such and such a person you know yeah yep um i also have

[00:38:44] to shout out jean brought up a colorism issue with sunspots who apparently i didn't know about this

[00:38:50] but there was a whole controversy about the character in the comics about the fact that he was

[00:38:56] he is of like an african background but brazilian and afro-brazilian is obviously a huge population

[00:39:02] that brazil is one of the most um most like you know uh mixed color countries in the world

[00:39:09] but for this tv show they decided to make him more of the indigenous background um and that you know

[00:39:19] rubbed jean and i'm sure many other people the wrong way which i can understand so yeah yeah i

[00:39:25] hear you it's that's unfortunate but i liked that jubilee finally got an age-appropriate love

[00:39:34] interest i have to say there are some incidents in the original series where she's crushing on

[00:39:39] much older men i'm like oh oh no give her another teen please yeah i i had no idea about that

[00:39:46] because i hadn't watched it but yeah i'm i'm glad that this is age appropriate the the vibe of

[00:39:52] jubilee is so so uh cool right like she's just like into the video games she's so 90s yeah yeah

[00:40:00] yeah absolutely she uh and and i love i love i loved the motendo episode i know i see your

[00:40:08] question here yeah because again i loved that 90s x-men video game and it's interesting when i'm

[00:40:18] when i was an adult i still am but when i when i became an adult i had moved to ashville north

[00:40:23] carolina for a couple years and there's a retrocade there there's a like a barcade kind of

[00:40:28] thing and they had that machine and i was like oh my god this is amazing and they had all the machines

[00:40:35] unlocked so that you like didn't have to pay for any rounds as long as you paid like the entry fee

[00:40:39] to the place and boy was that fun i just stood there for like an hour and i just played this

[00:40:45] game that i could never beat yeah nor was an arcade kid i grew up a gamer kid so i love that

[00:40:52] episode too and it's also it's packed with easter eggs uh so a lot of callbacks to the original

[00:40:58] series in there um but as you say like you can just enjoy it regardless and that's what something

[00:41:03] that showed as well yeah um i'm one of the animation style between the game and yeah no

[00:41:10] is like identical like i thought i was just watching footage of the game i love when they

[00:41:15] like switch up the animation within the animation um i have to call it one of the easter eggs is

[00:41:21] that abscissa the older version of herself that she meets is was voiced by the original

[00:41:26] actress who uh played jubilee in the original animated series but then she stepped aside and

[00:41:31] said you know what an asian-american should play this character yeah that's a good decision but

[00:41:36] it but cool that they had the voice actor yeah no that was a really cool callback um

[00:41:43] and yeah this i mean this is i guess kind of like the most quote-unquote filler

[00:41:47] of the episodes but i liked it and i wish that there were longer seasons so that we could get

[00:41:52] more like this uh i actually i saw tiktok the other day talking about how like we don't give tv

[00:41:59] shows room to breathe anymore with these eight episode seasons right and i think that this was

[00:42:04] some nice breathing and i i think the the reason that i thought it was nice was it finally gave

[00:42:09] jubilee a chance to like sit there and be like what do i want with my life right is it okay for

[00:42:14] me to sort of mature a little bit and and that's i'm a sucker for a good coming-of-age story yeah

[00:42:21] yeah because she was always like the cheesiest character which i mean i guess that's why she

[00:42:26] didn't show up in live action yet um and i love you know her name's jubilation lee for god's sake

[00:42:32] and i love the snark she got from bastion in the last episode about having like sparkler powers

[00:42:38] but yeah she is a fan favorite and i i think it's okay to let her like the version of her

[00:42:46] as a teenager is always going to exist and it's okay to let her develop further now too right

[00:42:52] yeah i think i think it'd be cool to see an adult jubilee but uh also if they don't have her blowing

[00:42:59] a bubble gum bubble and popping a bubble gum bubble and their first shot in the live action

[00:43:04] version of her they're making a mistake right like even the older version was still immediately

[00:43:10] popping the bubble gum yeah yeah i mean you gotta you just gotta how did you feel by the

[00:43:17] way about their decision to splice the storm storyline across episodes like this you know

[00:43:22] so we got this motendo episode and then we got like a little sliver of storm's story that's a

[00:43:28] tongue twister it did feel a little artificial like especially in this show it felt like they

[00:43:34] were making the story arcs match the episodes you know a story arc would begin and end within an

[00:43:40] episode usually and there were carryovers of course but the main resolution would happen in one episode

[00:43:46] it's a it's an interesting choice and i don't know if it was the right choice to splice the storm

[00:43:50] storyline over but at the same time it would feel a little rushed if storms like okay this episode

[00:43:57] i lost my powers the next episode or two episodes later when i show up again i'm gonna get my

[00:44:02] episodes back within my powers back within one episode so i i see i see why they did that yeah

[00:44:08] well i have to say so the the first the original animated series one of the reasons why it's so

[00:44:13] beloved is that it was one of the first to do serialized storytelling so for example like that

[00:44:19] phoenix saga i think the second part of it had five episodes um so they are they are tipping their hat

[00:44:25] to that but uh i this one felt the most like jarring like okay now we really are okay so right

[00:44:32] now i've been watching the uh young jedi adventures which is a preschool star wars show but you know

[00:44:39] but they do it so they have literally two totally different unrelated episodes 15 minutes each in

[00:44:46] one half hour episode right right and this felt like that where it's really like okay now i have

[00:44:51] to we're completely doing a different episode now it's not like and meanwhile you know it felt just

[00:44:58] a little bit jarring but i i understand wanting to split storms arc up a bit yeah can i also tell

[00:45:06] you on young jedi adventures as an aside my daughter who is preschool age hates uh young

[00:45:13] jedi adventures will not watch it but she loves the clone wars oh she likes the darkness she likes

[00:45:20] the darkness and she loves the theme she like pretends to play the drums in the air when she

[00:45:26] hears the opening theme anyway what what is it about young jedi adventures it's too like she's

[00:45:33] like no no no it's too juvenile for her i don't know i don't know and and she'll watch she watches

[00:45:39] plenty you know she she likes like the classic stuff too like she likes like 90s magic school

[00:45:44] bus but yeah anyway clone wars is objectively better it is it is she has good taste you know

[00:45:51] she's my daughter she has good taste she'll be on the pod soon awesome so okay speaking of good

[00:45:57] taste the blue guys we've got beast and nightcrawler beast and nightcrawler two true blue characters

[00:46:03] who never did a thing wrong in their lives um they didn't get much of their own arcs but we've got

[00:46:09] beast the scientist character he almost gets a love story in this but it gets crushed again

[00:46:14] i have to shout out there's a good standalone episode from the original series called beauty

[00:46:19] and the beast it's one of the best and that's also about a tragic love story um that's sad

[00:46:27] yeah so but at the end the dr cooper she did get her brain back so hopefully things can rekindle

[00:46:35] next season maybe that'll be a bright spot going into the new season we'll see we'll see can i say

[00:46:41] i didn't know nightcrawler had an accent the entire time yeah he's yeah he was uh picked up

[00:46:47] in oh my gosh i should know that's like switzerland um interesting yeah because because i mean my

[00:46:54] introduction to him i thought he was the coolest in that x-men game but i don't think there was

[00:46:57] any voice acting in that game right so i'm just like oh he could teleport super cool i like how

[00:47:02] he looks right but i had no idea he was an american yeah he's he was living in a monastery

[00:47:10] and uh in the original series rogue and gambit they find him there and then they find out that

[00:47:19] rogue is actually she was the adopted daughter of mystique and we find out that nightcrawler is

[00:47:25] and mystique is of course the shape-shifting one played by a rebecca romaine and uh what's her name

[00:47:31] jennifer oh shoot you know um the person yeah uh hunger games cutness um but yeah so mystique

[00:47:42] she before she uh adopted rogue she had nightcrawler but he came out like blue and then

[00:47:50] like this demon shape and she's like he can't hide who he is so she ends up you know doing the classic

[00:47:55] putting him in a basket and sending him down river thing and oh my god yeah growing up in this

[00:48:01] not comment what do you call it a monastery with the monks yeah

[00:48:07] interesting that's why he and rogue call each other brother and sister because they were both

[00:48:11] from mystique that makes sense now that makes a lot more sense what did you think of morph

[00:48:20] morph i i couldn't get a read on i did enjoy the comedy sometimes like

[00:48:25] when yeah when wolverine's like almost dying and morphs like oh gene can't tell you that she loves

[00:48:31] you but here you go i love you that was good yeah yeah they've been used for comic relief so far

[00:48:40] there's a lot of story to mine actually morph got like a really roller coaster story over the first

[00:48:46] series um morph was one of the original characters in the first episode and then well i won't spoil

[00:48:52] things but it's a lot of like ups and downs with more disappearing for a while at a time and um

[00:48:59] there were some questions about morph's powers so just want to say morph can transform into anyone

[00:49:05] they've met and use their physical powers so like flight or hulk smash um which kind of makes them

[00:49:13] one of the most op characters yeah yeah but so you said physical powers does that mean

[00:49:19] not like gene gray is psychic okay uh yeah that's that seems to be the case yeah so we can

[00:49:26] use the telekinetic powers i don't think that that was also mental okay fair enough fair enough

[00:49:34] um and not like magic powers or anything like that but if if somebody has wings then morph can fly

[00:49:41] and yeah they did they did redesign the character and gave and gave them an mb identity which i'm

[00:49:47] completely on board with i think that makes sense it makes sense for a shapeshifter

[00:49:51] to have a more yeah yeah amorphous look that works for me you know yeah but i think they didn't get

[00:49:59] their own storyline this season good comic relief again but uh i think that could be

[00:50:03] an interesting character to delve deeper in in future seasons yeah all right so this brings us

[00:50:12] to kind of like the heart of the season which is if you will the meat yeah so the vegan i call this

[00:50:20] magneto in charge um so when charles was presumed dead he left the x-men to his best frenemy

[00:50:27] magneto a move that confused and angered a lot of people given magneto's extremist past and

[00:50:32] especially upset my love i'm sorry i mean rogues love gambit because it turns out that his lady

[00:50:39] and sexy dill for magneto have a history oh he's a gilf look at yeah he's a gilf that's fair um

[00:50:45] because they did make references to his uh and you know concentration camp past so that ages him

[00:50:51] um yeah so but rogue and magneto have the ability to touch each other and when magneto asks rogue

[00:50:58] to be his queen of his mutant country of genosha she accepts publicly but quickly regrets that

[00:51:06] choice and pledges her heart to gambit only it's too late genosha magneto's old stomping grounds

[00:51:11] from the original series is now flourishing as mutant paradise and ready to join the un however

[00:51:17] the day of celebration turns into a day of tragedy when there's a sentinel attack many die including

[00:51:22] battle in prior and mutant dreams of peace but it is the death of gambit who sacrifices himself

[00:51:28] to take the master sentinel down that sends an entire fandom collectively reeling so yeah first

[00:51:35] of all i just have to say episode five called remember it is being put forward for animated

[00:51:39] emmy consideration do you think that's uh are you behind that john it was a good episode it was

[00:51:46] really good i'm i'm i'm into it i'm into it is there a separate emmy for animated series yes

[00:51:52] okay all right yeah i think i think that's pretty good luck yeah um i mean there's some

[00:51:58] good competition but what would you what would you say is your favorite episode or does any

[00:52:04] like particular episode or storyline stand out to you you're asking me this after i've been like

[00:52:08] no okay storyline as a particular storyline um i i actually as much as i did not like the xavier

[00:52:18] voice acting i did really enjoy because i'm i'm a sucker for a philosophical debate i did really

[00:52:24] enjoy you know the whole magneto redemption arc with xavier's help okay okay for me it's it's the

[00:52:34] tragedy of rogue uh it's always a tragedy of rogue with me you know she can't touch people and that's

[00:52:40] oh i just can't imagine yeah that is people not be able to and so you can understand to a certain

[00:52:46] degree with you know because magneto since they both he can basically disarm her powers with his

[00:52:52] magnetic powers and whatever hand wavy comic book yeah yeah um but the fact is that they can touch

[00:52:58] skin to skin and that's something you know gambit is her love but they you can see when she kisses

[00:53:04] him in the in opening um she has to put her hand over his mouth to do it and yeah it's always

[00:53:12] something between them so but that's also when she finally touches him in uh episode five and

[00:53:18] she's like i can't feel you i was definitely legitimately crying at that point so sad so

[00:53:24] so what exactly happens when rogue touches you you lose your powers she basically drains your life

[00:53:30] force powers memories out of you and they go into her and she usually it dissipates and if she like

[00:53:37] stops touching you you'll recover but she can kill you and uh there's been at least one prominent

[00:53:43] case where she trapped the psyche of another character inside herself carol danvers oh carol

[00:53:51] danvers huh and that's why that's why she can fly because she kept some of her powers interesting

[00:53:58] although they resolved that that's also a story arc in the original series yeah because i was

[00:54:03] very confused about the lack of fall damage for her especially because she's like going everywhere

[00:54:07] yeah she's going everywhere she's also pretty op do you like her accent um i like i don't know

[00:54:16] it's the same voice actress as the original but for some reason i preferred her in the original

[00:54:21] more than this uh and sometimes it's a little put on thick it's kind of a caricature of a southern

[00:54:28] accent isn't it mm-hmm and that i think that's what bothers me is not that she's southern but

[00:54:34] it feels almost over like you said it's thick it's it's overdone yeah yeah sometimes it took

[00:54:39] me out a little bit i have to admit in this version yeah even though it's the same actress

[00:54:45] maybe it's just it hasn't aged as well she is a very cool character though i mean i remember

[00:54:50] isn't she part of like the opening of the original x-men i mean yeah she's one of the main characters

[00:54:55] yeah of sorry of the um of the movie of the fox x-men movie oh yeah well so they kind of combined

[00:55:02] her and jubilee in a way you know they aged her down and a lot of people were really upset with

[00:55:08] that version because you know they made her her personality completely different and pining after

[00:55:14] wolverine and yeah i mean that whole arc sucked me right in though in that original movie i think she's

[00:55:18] a great character overall i mean i i agree because um i was i'm the same age as the actress who

[00:55:24] played her anna paquin so i was she was really my pov character going into those movies yeah and

[00:55:30] i was a kid too so it's yeah it felt like i that's that's a great way to put it right is we

[00:55:36] need we need somebody relatable to view these weird x-men through right and in the original series

[00:55:42] that character is jubilee okay because jubilee is the one the first episode starts with um her

[00:55:49] getting into a spot of trouble and being rescued by the x-men and that's how she joins a team

[00:55:54] okay makes sense yeah uh so gambit do you think it's his biggest surprise death since ned stark or

[00:56:01] am i uh i again i i don't think i had enough of an attachment to gambit to feel that way

[00:56:09] okay but maybe if my heart was ripped out um i'm sorry i i don't think he's gonna remain dead though

[00:56:16] i mean no this is comic book marvel he's coming back in some way yeah there's a good idea

[00:56:22] a good idea of how he'll come back but i'm gonna save comic spoilers uh not say comic

[00:56:28] spoilers in this episode probably talk about it with jean but i just think they're gonna do it

[00:56:32] in a way that just breaks our hearts all over again so that is it going to be like erasing his

[00:56:36] memories or having a multiverse version of him there's no you know not a multiverse version but

[00:56:42] basically i mean coming back as uh an entity and a dark side entity oh yeah okay okay

[00:56:52] so speaking of the dark side uh we've got our villains we've got a succession of ever-increasing

[00:56:58] baddies and the central sentinel attack on genosha though is naturally pinned on the creator

[00:57:05] of the technology bolivar trask but after rogue takes him out in a chilling character moment

[00:57:11] it becomes clear that the real power behind the robo revolution is bastion a combination of the

[00:57:16] previous series villains master sentinel and nimrod sent back in time and reborn as a human

[00:57:21] so he's basically also pulling the strings on another classic villain mr sinister who already

[00:57:27] talked about a bit and uh mr sinister is basically going along with this because he still wants that

[00:57:33] summer's baby for his own nefarious purposes um and bastion's built an army of living sentinels

[00:57:41] out of quote-unquote volunteers which are not all quite willing including his own mother what did

[00:57:47] you think of that twist insane i i i was baffled by this whole bastion thing i don't know why i

[00:57:54] didn't bring it up earlier i i it did feel like this is part of why the finale was confusing to

[00:58:02] me is i didn't know where these people came from right and i and i could not piece it together

[00:58:07] based on the information i had at least not on on first watch and i think they could have done a

[00:58:13] little bit better of a job giving context to it yeah but then you take away from the twist yeah

[00:58:19] but if they were going along at such a fast speed i think if they just slowed down just a little bit

[00:58:25] add one episode of origin story yeah i mean just and you can just make more references

[00:58:32] and because they did do that with certain things you know where they characters talked about like

[00:58:36] oh well i went through this whole thing and you know and they're referring to events that

[00:58:40] happened in the prior series but at least they talked about it and acknowledged it and

[00:58:45] set the stage yeah yeah um but this is of course also that whole thing that like

[00:58:53] where they they have so dr cooper she gets she releases magneto and uh magneto does this whole

[00:59:02] blackout and then retreats to asteroid m to his base there and we get the classic x-men setup where

[00:59:10] the x-men want to stop you know we have bastion trying to crash the asteroid into the earth

[00:59:18] to kill humanity because at the end he's decided that he just gives up um and we have the x-men

[00:59:24] trying to stop it but then the humans are panicked not trusting the x-men so they

[00:59:30] shoot the asteroid down into themselves yeah like they make it way worse yeah exactly so they're

[00:59:38] they're like they're trying to stop the thing and the humans just make it happen because they

[00:59:41] because of a lack of trust this is a classic x-men setup yeah and even captain america's like oh man

[00:59:48] what are we doing here yeah exactly and i oh can i just say i really liked when i think it was rogue

[00:59:54] right through captain america's shield away right go get it yeah and you see you see steve like

[01:00:03] all right i i do you know i talked about the women being untrustworthy but i didn't like how

[01:00:10] rogue rogue treated gambit in this season but but i did like seeing her sort of devolve into

[01:00:18] the dark side she's a character who's always towed that line um in all but the foxman movies

[01:00:23] and we see her yeah just like start to just do petulant stuff like this and of course then when

[01:00:28] she loses gambit she just like completely loses her shit she absorbs gyrix memories when he's in

[01:00:34] a coma and um yeah she and then she like kills trask and that's there's she's gone to the dark

[01:00:43] side then you know yeah yeah it's uh it's rough yeah when she when she straight up murderous trask

[01:00:51] i was i was shocked i was shocked they put that in yeah i'll fun easter egg um de mayo actually

[01:01:02] picked out a random background characters from an episode in the original series to be bastion's

[01:01:06] parents in this series so oh yeah when you watch it uh there are there's just a couple in the

[01:01:13] background one episode and he's like yeah and then right after this the little you know a spark of

[01:01:19] bastion life creeps up daddy's leg and you know is ready for implantation oh my god that's funny

[01:01:29] and uh what do you think if bastion had been allowed to go to xavier's school do you think

[01:01:34] that would have changed things or do you think that would have just ruined the x-men no i think

[01:01:39] it would have changed things i think i think not that you know an upbringing can i don't want to

[01:01:46] say fix but it can create a good person out of everyone but it does help yeah you know nurture

[01:01:52] and nature both have a play and he didn't have the nurture yeah yeah that's fair and then you know

[01:01:58] when i was thinking about that i was like well maybe i kind of understand why he made his mom

[01:02:02] into a robot yeah yeah i get it but yeah so we get to that rapid fire roller coaster of the last

[01:02:12] episode the phoenix comes and goes bastion's captured but not although coloring him does

[01:02:18] save the sentinel people and we get that stormy friendship of charles and magnus and uh i loved

[01:02:24] by the way so sinister he gets like sucked of all of his mutation his mutant uh powers that he

[01:02:31] applied to himself they were making him look young for centuries and i love how he goes up and uses

[01:02:36] morph as a mirror i'm like that is clever thinking of like how do we use our characters in a unique

[01:02:41] way it's like morph show me what i look like yeah yeah that was fun yeah and we find out that

[01:02:48] everyone was hoping that uh cable who's a time traveler was going to like undo the genosha thing

[01:02:53] he's like i tried 200 times yeah that's insane that was that was a great line it's like i i just kept

[01:03:01] trying and and it's it's basically a fixed point you know it reminds me of doctor who like exactly

[01:03:07] everything's a fixed point when we need it to be exactly yeah i have to say comics are the same

[01:03:12] yeah i mean uh dr strange does talk about it in the mcu movies too okay but yeah i it was

[01:03:21] an interesting character arc too with cable at first rejecting jean gray like you're not my mother

[01:03:28] but of course she also has like a similar psychic signature as madeline and then ultimately

[01:03:34] he kind of saves her in the end and and accepts her not as his mother but maybe as like a stepmother

[01:03:40] well i think she says you know my son at some point right when to her he is she remembers yeah

[01:03:48] yeah yeah with like the psychic link when she and scott are just talking to her talking to him rather

[01:03:55] yeah and i love bastion was such a bitch and then he was saying like all the meanest stuff and then

[01:04:03] he actually he rips off a cable's arm and bitch slaps him with it yeah that was mean that was just

[01:04:11] mean i did gasp out loud but then he absorbs it like i didn't understand at all how he turned it

[01:04:17] into like an armor for himself but how um because he has i guess he kind of like melted and shaped

[01:04:26] it in a way okay all right i have no idea how that works yeah comic book comic book yeah cables

[01:04:36] recovering and this kind of sets up a character called onslaught that i think might show up next

[01:04:42] season there's a few different elements in play that might set up this character onslaught from

[01:04:46] for showing up next season um i just have to point out that cable is the same character from

[01:04:51] deadpool but he's not going to be in the new movie apparently and then yeah we get uh we get

[01:04:58] x-men civil war and magneto rogue and sunspot split off and i physically fight against the

[01:05:05] rest of them do you think spotty can ever recover from her sparkling at him spotty

[01:05:12] yeah uh jubison i don't know i i i i will just have to see

[01:05:25] yeah and then that the worst was when uh wolverine stabs magneto in the back literally

[01:05:33] and then magneto in something it's it's straight out of a comic panel they almost

[01:05:39] exactly copied this comic panel he sucks all of the adamantium out of uh because wolverine's

[01:05:46] skeleton is coated in adamantium so he sucks it all out of him through his skin and wolverine's

[01:05:53] living at the end but left in recovery so does he not have his i know he has like he has

[01:06:01] biological claws right he has right he has bone claws and in the comic books this is how the bone

[01:06:06] claws were revealed but of course we watching in different orders we uh know he has bone claws yeah

[01:06:13] so he's in bone claw mode now like he does not have adamantium anymore right interesting that

[01:06:20] that's that's a cool nerf for him does is his healing factor adamantium based no i think maybe

[01:06:29] it was just like such a trauma or something yeah because he was the reason why they could put the

[01:06:36] adamantium in there into him is because of his healing factor right so he could handle it and

[01:06:43] more than anybody else he won't die from the procedure yeah and he can keep doing the claws

[01:06:48] and sucking them back in and he heals interesting well definitely a cool twist for this and i wonder

[01:06:56] if he'll get his procedure back or something like that or if magnino will be like ah here's

[01:07:00] your adamantium and he'll be like wow that hurts yeah yeah um i think it's a lot of people cross

[01:07:09] lines that they can't easily uncross and i find that very interesting because they you know it's

[01:07:16] not that they are killing characters left and right although it feels like it um but they are

[01:07:22] creating situations that you know you can't just say oh next week all better

[01:07:27] right right yeah the adamantium thing is is a pretty big nerf for him yeah absolutely they

[01:07:33] definitely want us to see the x-men struggle between the storm thing and the wolverine thing

[01:07:40] and then of course they could just pull out phoenix when they need it yeah and i think that's

[01:07:44] a good analogy for life if you have power of any sort power money whatever uh you can lose it and

[01:07:51] then you know you have to learn to live life without that superpower right so and then they

[01:07:58] set things the way they set things in the um at the end of the episode and then there's also a

[01:08:04] mid-credit scene so if anyone missed the mid-credit scene go back and watch it we find out that six

[01:08:09] months later bishop is telling forge that the x-men are trapped in time and cyclops and gene

[01:08:15] are in 3960 ad a desolate future where they encounter mother ascani and a young nathan

[01:08:21] and rogue nightcrawler beast xavier and magneto are in ancient egypt in 3000 bc where they meet

[01:08:30] n sabah nur a young version of apocalypse in the present apocalypse visits genosha and picks up

[01:08:38] gambit's queen of hearts card and says something about death huh and there's a flark in the

[01:08:44] background of course yes he wants me to stop recording and start playing well we're almost

[01:08:49] done you could tell him we're almost done yeah i i'm interested to see what they do with this i i

[01:08:55] like this whole idea of their they're going back in time how are they going to get back is cable

[01:08:58] going to be involved etc mm-hmm yeah they set up so much there and it you know comic book readers

[01:09:05] and people who know those stories uh have a good idea of what's coming they have some really exciting

[01:09:10] easter eggs in there but uh it's also just exciting i think if you don't know who uh who

[01:09:18] you know mother ascani is etc etc yeah now i'm interested in finding out more because again

[01:09:26] i think you know a lot more about who these characters might be than i do right right no

[01:09:33] but i think that that's uh it's it's an exciting uh conclusion cliffhanger whatever regardless

[01:09:40] whether you know a lot or are just fresh to the to these characters in this story yeah

[01:09:47] yeah exciting stuff shall we bring in the listeners to give their feedback let's do that

[01:09:54] because i think they are excited too adren of house star sark donic i think he meant

[01:10:00] sarkonic or yes sarkonic i think i think he meant sardonic uh alicia and john as with most fandoms

[01:10:09] i don't have i don't feel i have much to contribute to the conversation since my knowledge of things

[01:10:14] tends to run skin deep however i finished the final episode of x-men 97 and wanted to share

[01:10:19] that even for a casual fan such as myself it was so moving i was brought to tears not weeping i

[01:10:26] don't want to ruin my street cred but i had tears in my eyes specifically around two scenes gene and

[01:10:31] scott talking to nathan and magneto reflecting on his life experiences in both cases family is at the

[01:10:37] core of the scenes impending loss in one past loss and another because of the fast-paced nature of the

[01:10:43] show especially in the first few episodes neither scene was given more than a minute on screen

[01:10:48] but the writing and acting something that i don't give you think is given enough credit

[01:10:53] add a history and sorrow to them that i think competes with the best of television

[01:10:58] i expected explosions i expected action i expected drama but i did not expect melancholy that

[01:11:05] beautiful emotion that encompasses joy and sorrow in equal measure i bid a fond farewell to this

[01:11:10] show eagerly await the next season and i'm now considering a dive into the comics that inspired

[01:11:15] this amazing show very eloquently written i agree i agree a adrian of house sardonic

[01:11:23] adrian of house sardonic there's no a in here i don't know if that was a typo

[01:11:28] yeah i think it's a typo because i i'm 99 sure this is adrian yeah i know i think so too

[01:11:34] um yeah it's i i agree the the emotional depth of this show is shocking for

[01:11:40] an adventure of the week cartoon yeah yeah and that's what good x-men and that was also

[01:11:48] the case with the original but now you know with more modern storytelling methods and

[01:11:53] animation and things like that they can go even deeper right shall we listen to dork of the ninja

[01:12:00] email uh voicemail sorry let's do it hey guys just want to get my thoughts on x-men 97 i will say i

[01:12:08] was completely surprised by this entire series i expected it to be a fun like saturday morning

[01:12:14] cartoon which definitely has that but the fact that it went to a much darker place than i was

[01:12:21] expecting um with iconic moments of like uh wolverine having the enemy team ripped from his

[01:12:30] bones by a magneto to moments of the genosha attack which floored me well that was when i

[01:12:38] realized what this series was and i was realizing i absolutely love love this series as a whole and i

[01:12:45] want more of these type of things and realizing hey marvel not everything has to be set in the

[01:12:52] main continuity and i want more things like this now just yes what if is good which is gives us

[01:12:59] stuff that's not in the main continuity but this gives us that but it's like it's a true story

[01:13:05] instead of just like oh hey here's a quick episode in and out okay bye this is oh here's a full arc

[01:13:11] of just complete story just good character building i just want yes it's building off the

[01:13:19] original x-men series from the 90s but this went further than that series ever did in the best type

[01:13:25] of way and i just want more things like this and i just love it and i cannot wait for the next

[01:13:32] season whenever that pops up um also i was definitely got confused not confused but i

[01:13:40] had a pet theory of my die in the last episode i was expecting onslaught to happen as a result

[01:13:46] of the whole thing with magneto and professor x of them like being entangled in each other's

[01:13:53] minds i expected onslaught to happen as a result of that if you don't know what that is

[01:13:57] oh boy that's a lot but just wanted to give my thoughts love the series love y'all's coverage

[01:14:04] of everything in the entire universe of marvel and outside looking forward to

[01:14:10] uh that's the dragon coverage and of course rings of power all right y'all have a good one bye

[01:14:17] yeah so onslaughts definitely something jean and i will discuss in more depth but like i said i think

[01:14:22] that they have set everything up for that entity to appear next season that's cool that's cool i

[01:14:28] love i love that if you because that's my favorite thing right i mean we we just did our teaser

[01:14:34] breakdown for rings of power and i couldn't do a teaser breakdown for this show but i love hearing

[01:14:40] that the marvel lore hounds marvel lore heads uh could really tell where this is going yeah i mean

[01:14:48] like i said this is one of the most remarkable comic book adaptations because i just couldn't

[01:14:52] believe how faithful was they changed stuff you know they uh changed the origin of madeline pryor

[01:14:58] a bit for instance uh they sped things up but but it was really like oh i think they're going to do

[01:15:05] this storyline like well yes they are going for this storyline and all in one episode oh my god

[01:15:10] that's cool yeah that's cool i really like that yeah and um i think that the best person to wrap

[01:15:18] up this discussion is the person i talked to most about this series which is dead i jedi bob

[01:15:23] um and i i actually asked him to share his thoughts on the season because he's someone who

[01:15:27] is a super fan of the original growing up so he's got a bit of a it's a longer voicemail i've been

[01:15:32] hearing did i jedi bob quite a lot on the star wars canon timeline podcast lately yeah so you

[01:15:37] know he's a lore hound at heart through and through absolutely all right here we go hey

[01:15:42] allure hounds it's dead i jedi bob so when you're born totally blind when you're a fan of superhero

[01:15:51] stuff in the 90s there's not much to go by so when x-men the animated series the original animated

[01:16:00] series came across my tv screen during may of 1994 it was my gateway into all things marvel

[01:16:10] it did so much for me as a fan of superheroes because well i didn't live with my brother

[01:16:19] so i couldn't have comics narrated to me and i think the original animated series adapted so many

[01:16:27] beloved story arcs from those comics and put them into a form of media that i could really sink my

[01:16:35] teeth into x-men the animated series the original show introduced me to serialized storytelling as

[01:16:43] well we got so many shows in the 90s and 80s that ended every episode on a good hearty laugh

[01:16:52] everything was kind of wrapped up nice and neat and a little bow but x-men left you with

[01:16:58] cliffhangers practically every week and as stephen king says in his foreword to the green

[01:17:05] mile serial novel i'm paraphrasing here you were left waiting to see the next twist of the snake

[01:17:14] he's talking about how dickens would serialize the chapters in his novels but that's how i felt

[01:17:20] with the animated series when i was a kid i remember when we got to the end of those 76 episodes i was

[01:17:27] thinking well it was a good run but barring movies someday i guess that's all i'm going to

[01:17:33] hear from the x-men and the movies they'd come and gone and i like them but to me the characters

[01:17:41] in this animated continuity well they're always going to be my x-men it's a show that i've come

[01:17:49] back to i don't know how many times since it went off the air and when x-men 97 was announced

[01:17:59] i was very optimistic i didn't want to let that 10 year old part of myself get all hyped up for it

[01:18:07] dream up what i wanted to see in my head then be let down when the show premiered i wanted the

[01:18:13] writers to tell their story and then well see what i thought when it was over and i gotta say

[01:18:22] season one shattered all of my expectations i went into this expecting to really enjoy it

[01:18:30] i went in wanting to see cable mr sinister more of what he was doing with mutant dna what his plans

[01:18:40] were and i got so much of that as x-men 97 aired from start to finish i was glad that they brought

[01:18:50] alison seeley smith back to voice storm i wanted to see more story concerning her i got that and

[01:18:58] i liked what we got in season one i think my only critique of season one is that i wish we'd gotten

[01:19:04] more episodes look at star wars the bad batch on disney plus they got like 16 every season except

[01:19:10] season 3 where they pretty much got 15 and i feel like x-men 97 could have benefited from at least

[01:19:18] three or four more episodes it was such a good season but way too short i wanted so much more

[01:19:26] than what we got it felt like going to a restaurant someone serving you a very tasty steak or whatever

[01:19:34] your favorite food is but you only get a well you get a small portion of it you uh you really

[01:19:42] enjoy it but when it's over when you're done you're like well where's the rest of it this was good this

[01:19:48] was really tasty but but i wanted more i really loved what we got concerning uh mr sinister

[01:19:54] i loved finally getting to see that moment where scott realizes who his son is there's a moment

[01:20:03] in season two of the original animated series where jean she gets a sense of who cable is and

[01:20:10] she tells him this man is more important to our future than anyone could possibly imagine and we

[01:20:18] got that we got that moment in x-men 97 season one when i was just starting out in college i'd played

[01:20:26] a video game a fighting game called x-men the next dimension and we were introduced to well i

[01:20:31] was introduced to bastion in that game and i always thought wouldn't it have been cool to see

[01:20:37] him in the animated continuity and by god we got that in season one and i loved what they did with

[01:20:43] bastion so much i think theo james nailed the performance that's kind of the voice i heard in

[01:20:49] my head when thinking of bastion he was very soft-spoken i don't want to call him sinister

[01:20:54] because that name's already taken but i really enjoy what we got with his character and i hope

[01:21:00] we're not done i was hoping to see apocalypse in season one because the last time we saw this

[01:21:07] character he possessed fabian cortez and apocalypse got himself a new vessel but of course they saved

[01:21:13] that for the mid-credit scene at the end of the season finale which i absolutely loved i don't

[01:21:20] mind them saving apocalypse for next season because i feel like they're really going to do the character

[01:21:28] justice i love whoever they got to voice him at the end of x-men 97 season one i think he did a

[01:21:36] fantastic job i think the guy who'd voiced apocalypse later on in the series he laughed

[01:21:42] too maniacally a bit too much and the feel i get from whoever the new guy is voicing apocalypse

[01:21:50] because we don't know that yet it's just after the finale as i'm recording this i think he just

[01:21:57] nailed it the first voice actor who did apocalypse john kolakos his name was he was very nefarious in

[01:22:07] all the right places he you got a couple of chuckles from that version of apocalypse

[01:22:12] and i think this this character is shaping up to dominate season two i was wanting to see onslaught

[01:22:21] the onslaught entity in season one so hopefully they're going to go there as well um i can't wait

[01:22:28] to see what apocalypse is going to be doing with gambit in season two our x-men are trapped in

[01:22:36] ancient egypt and we're going to get to see them meeting a very young and savannah i can't wait to

[01:22:44] see where that's going to go i would imagine kang is probably involved with bringing them here we're

[01:22:50] going to get to see uh mother ascani in the future timeline with scott and gene so when it comes to

[01:22:57] what i'm looking forward to an x-men 97 season 2 all of that and i know we're probably getting a

[01:23:05] season 3 as well that's also in development so i loved season one wish we could have gotten a bit

[01:23:11] more when it comes to episodes i mean that's really my only critique i wanted a heck of a lot more than

[01:23:17] what we got but i love what we got and cannot wait for season two i don't know how long we're

[01:23:23] gonna have to wait until then but i'm all here for whatever we get next and thanks for having me on

[01:23:30] you guys yeah so um a lot of that we talked about already but just saying kang involved with bringing

[01:23:38] the bringing them to ancient egypt one of the most uh popular or best known incarnations of

[01:23:44] kang is a character called ramah tut and uh yeah we said mother ascani is a very important character

[01:23:50] to the summer's family and mutants as a whole but i'll hold back that spoiler for now but if you know

[01:23:54] you know well thanks dead i jedi bob because i think you're onto something with this whole you

[01:24:01] know i wanted more i i have been a known critic of the whole we have to be married to the eight or

[01:24:06] ten episode season at the same time i was left wanting more at the end of this season and that's

[01:24:12] a good thing because now i will definitely tune in day one to season two yeah i think season two

[01:24:18] needs weekly coverage yeah i i'm kind of there with you may i'm probably gonna show up for that

[01:24:24] excellent all right alicia since your neighbor is drilling i think it's time that we do the outro

[01:24:30] the neighbor wants me to stop podcasting now yeah the neighbor is done the farkin's done

[01:24:35] it's time to finish up let's just do a quick outro i've been i said to david i was like i'm not doing

[01:24:41] this whole list everything we're ever doing anymore in the outro because it's too much so i'm

[01:24:46] gonna list what we're doing this week because it's a lot already uh house of the dragons season five

[01:24:51] and six just dropped on the public feed uh sorry season one episode five and six uh david and i

[01:24:58] covered we light the way and the princess and the queen then we you and i alicia did doctor who season

[01:25:05] one through three that was a lot of fun the rings of power season two reaction season two teaser

[01:25:13] reaction is up with marylin r paquila and david and we also made this visual guide which is super

[01:25:19] cool on notion that's available to the public which usually our notion stuff is not usually

[01:25:23] it's a patreon or supercast exclusive benefit but this is a little treat for everybody with

[01:25:28] the teaser and tonight david and i are recording episode four a new hope of star wars uh that is if

[01:25:36] my voice holds up because my whole family is getting sick all right alicia and i also have

[01:25:42] to throw out that this weekend david and i are recording the kingdom of the planet of the apes

[01:25:48] one shot so everyone has any feedback please send that into the to lorehounds at the lorehounds.com

[01:25:53] all right is that coming out this week or next week it came out last week oh no i mean the podcast

[01:25:58] oh the podcast well we're recording it saturday so it'll be out uh it's probably sunday or monday

[01:26:04] okay it's probably monday we'll keep an eye out i'll add it i'll add it to the list on the

[01:26:08] on the podcast yeah no i didn't say i think it's going to come out monday actually okay

[01:26:12] okay yeah so i've been doing this podcast schedule on the discord and it has all our lorehounds

[01:26:17] podcasts plus all their affiliate podcasts alicia tell me what you're doing over on the star wars

[01:26:21] canon timeline podcast and will shift dust uh yeah so we'll shift dust uh i'm just editing right

[01:26:28] after this the episode four through six breakdown of season two of beacon 23 so that will be out

[01:26:36] hopefully tonight and then on the star wars canon timeline podcast we just put out an episode about

[01:26:43] the knights of the old republic games and um we're gonna next week we're gonna be diving into the high

[01:26:49] republic now so there'll be an overview and we've got some uh little shorter episodes about a preview

[01:26:55] of the eclipse game and also an episode about season one of young jedi adventures so that's

[01:27:01] why i'm watching that um and then yeah you and i john are gonna get into the acolyte uh weekly

[01:27:09] breakdowns i'm excited i think it's gonna be a really good season yeah me too radioactive

[01:27:15] ramblings is going forward into the wasteland they are still doing some fallout coverage with

[01:27:20] the fallout lore series on origins of the brotherhood of steel is already out uh and

[01:27:26] then they also are doing a podcast on invincible season two they just did the second half of the

[01:27:32] season this week so check that out over on the radioactive ramblings feed properly howard

[01:27:38] is going strong with a dune to review this week they'll be back with felonies and fugazis next week

[01:27:44] and rings and rituals which is a fantastic podcast and more people need to listen to it

[01:27:49] uh is back with episode five partings from the rings of power season one so if you're on that

[01:27:55] rings of power hype train with us you should be listening i've been seeing nothing but rave reviews

[01:28:00] from people who have like actually come to find the lorehound server because of that podcast so

[01:28:06] those who are listening really seem to love it yeah for sure i i think it deserves more listeners

[01:28:14] all right alicia we're here to thank the patrons of course you can sign up for patreon or supercast

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[01:28:41] over on the patreon and you're gonna be on second breakfast now alicia which i'm excited for

[01:28:46] yeah very excited gonna have scheduled in to watch the first movie from our new system looking

[01:28:52] forward to talking about how we're doing the new movie selection system which you came up with

[01:28:58] and i i you know what i'm i love a good poll and uh yeah so we're we're gonna be doing a

[01:29:04] patreon exclusive podcast where we talk about life what we're watching other than what we're covering

[01:29:09] and what we're playing what we're reading then we're gonna watch a patron and supercast member

[01:29:15] picked a movie very exciting are the results final sorry what's that oh i don't think it's

[01:29:23] final yet i don't i think we have one more day let's see here i'll check in live time it is

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[01:30:32] mothership 61 narls and of course as always last adrian all right everyone thanks so much for

[01:30:42] being here with us on the mcu i hope jean can rejoin us soon for now you'll have to deal with me

[01:30:49] i should have made a theme for this it's such a good beat

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