Meet Nevermind the Music

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to The Lorehounds. I'm David. I'm John. And I'm Alicia.

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And today we're talking with Mark and Nicole from Nevermind the Music,

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the latest podcast to join The Lorehounds network. Welcome Mark and Nicole. How are you guys doing?

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Great. How are you? Very good. Mark, how are you doing?

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. Happy to be here. Yeah, it's exciting. We're really excited to have you on and to

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: have this opportunity to talk with you guys a little bit about your podcast, which is

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: the day that we're recording this. A while back, you guys had sent out some emails and

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: we were the recipients. I think you guys are just looking for advice of like,

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: hey, we got this podcast that we've been recording. How do we launch it?

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, John and Alicia can maybe you guys can share your experiences. But the

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: moment that I heard one of the samples that you sent us, I was like, wow, I was like,

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: we have to get these people. Alicia, what did you think when you first heard that?

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, it was funny because just literally a couple days before that,

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_05]: we were talking about the tagline for a network and stuff. And you were pointing out specifically

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_05]: like, well, we don't have a music podcast. And it was like two days later, we got this email

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and yeah, it just felt like Kismet. It's just was so because it's not just a music

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_05]: podcast, but it's like, I think David, you keep saying it's very lore hounds because

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_05]: it takes a deep dive also into psychology and history and just putting things into

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: context and deriving deeper meaning from it. So and it's extremely well edited, I must say.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: John, what did you, what was your initial reaction when you, because you got the email

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and then we had to like listen to the recordings. You know, I think maybe a week

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: or two before this, we were like, all right, we've brought out a bunch of affiliates. I

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: think we're probably a good size now. Let's pump the brakes a little bit. We don't want

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: to go crazy. And then you guys emailed us and I was like, this is good. We should get them.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They should be with us. I just completely contradicted what I had just previously said.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad we did because I'm excited to listen to more of your content. I was able

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to listen to your demos and now there's, they're all loaded up now to go public very

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: soon. And I hope people will have the same instantaneous love for your work that I did.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So Mark or Nicole, I don't know who's best positioned for this. Do you guys want to give

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: the elevator pitch for the podcast? I'd toss to Mark for that. Okay, Mark.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: What did I say on the little demo episode? It's two friends talking about music over a beer.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that was an intro. Because we record it like nine in the morning,

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: usually. So not actually a beer there, but yeah, it's, it's lore hounding on a popular

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: song between a musician and a psychologist. That's kind of, but lighthearted, right?

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a classroom. It's over. It's a conversation. Yeah. Right. How did you guys

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: meet or like, what's your guy? Tell your psychologist, Nicole? Yeah, I'm a psychology

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: professor and I have my training as a mental health counselor. Okay. And then we could use

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: that around here. I think everyone could write it right. But before that, I, I studied art

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: in my undergrad in college and I've always been interested in like the intersection of

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: art and psychology and more than just visual art. I think music kind of falls under that umbrella

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: of creative expression, right? Mark would probably agree. We met teaching. We were

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: teaching at the same institution and, uh, can, what's that? Hang on. We met teaching. You mean

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: our kids were in the same daycare. Is that what you mean? Yes, we were teaching at the

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: same place, but our kids were in the same daycare. Sorry. No, no, let's keep it in.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So we met reading green eggs in hand to our kids, trying to drop off at daycare and then going off

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: into the like underbelly of the university to teach for the day. And then coming back at

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: pickup and just renting about the teaching day and kids. And, um, I think, you know,

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: some of the best friends that you make are the, and the pickup drop-off lines, you know,

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and our kids are beyond that, like our kids really connected. So it was like this cool

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: intersection that our families got along. We had great rapport and our kids liked each other.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's already completing the Venn diagram of parent friends. So let's take the next step

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in podcast. No, it happens. It's a natural progression. Let's make it work. We would get together as

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: families and me and Mark would just sidetrack with each other and get in the weeds on

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: specific thing. And our spouses were just sitting like, okay, like they're off again,

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: like shop talking. So then this seems like a healthier place to

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll talk. Right. Mark, what's your background? I'm a composer. So I'm a music professor,

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: but my training is in writing music. Okay. I also play, you know, I'm in a band,

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: stuff like that, but my, my background is really thinking too much about this stuff.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So whether it's really like started almost to make the music I was creating better,

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but it turned into a skill itself, right? Like is kind of overthinking why somebody did something

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and it worked so well. And so I teach at a community college, which means I've kind of honed

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: my skill to speak to people that are early in the music learning process. Like I haven't

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: worked with grad students in a while. They kind of stress me out because I'm worried

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: they actually know more than me. So my superpower is sort of like bringing people

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: into overthinking about music for the uninitiated kind of is sort of the thing I would say,

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: though it came out not to bear your dirty laundry, but Nicole is a recovering flautist.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you said it right too. It took like five times anyway.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I talk a lot on the pod about my background, my toward background in the

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: marching band and learning music theory in high school from some really great instructors

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and just really always loving music and like really kind of getting it. You'll learn on the

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: pod that I'm very good at certain things in the music world, which surprised us all.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Almost perfect pitch we've determined. Imperfect pitch.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Slightly imperfect, but it was just really kind of nice to dial into those,

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: that aspect of my knowledge base for this. Be like, wait, I remember learning this. I

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: remember this stuff. So it's been really fun. And I think it comes across that we're having

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of fun doing this. So what was the moment, the ignition moment,

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the spark moment of saying like, oh, you know, there they are again, you know,

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: talking up a storm at the barbecue or whatever. When did that or how did that translate into

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: let's actually record a podcast? Because as John and Alicia and I know we've all had that

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: moment where it suddenly we go from, oh, well, here's this strange idea. And then boom,

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: suddenly logos and artwork and businesses and microphones are filling our lives. And

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it certainly suddenly takes over. So what was the thing that was the catalyst for this to

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: actually go from chit chat to actual recording? Well, I was the one who originally wanted to do

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: a podcast and I was just going to do a music podcast. But I wanted to do it with somebody.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was bouncing to my wife ideas and she's like, I don't know what this says about

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: her opinion of me, but you need somebody funny on your pocket. Somebody funny. So I asked Nicole

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: if she wanted to do it. And it was only really when we first met to talk about it, that it

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: became obvious it wasn't going to be a music podcast where I'm this musician bouncing off

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: of a non musician, but that it needed to also be a psychology podcast that I needed to be

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: the person who was clueless for half the time. Right. And that that was what was going

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought. I thought that was the sort of what, what unlocked, you know, the potential was when

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: we realized, no, it's not that you're the, you are not defined by your not professional

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: musician. This it was, it's that you are the psych person and that you're going to

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_00]: have all this cool stuff to say about the music that is going to make me all surprised.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. That's kind of how I would generate it, but it started from my place though. It

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: grew into way more than that. I would say someone say synergy. Yeah. Right.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Now I think we just made a, it was an organic choice to play into both those skillsets. I

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: can't just sit and not add something. So it'd be like, Oh, I have this really interesting

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: idea about this song too. And I want to say it. Like, I don't want to just sit on it

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because I think it's cool. Right. In our conversation for years historically, we

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: always are thinking of the next thing all the time. And I think that this

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: podcast was a great iteration of that for sure. I'm so impressed by all the prep work that you

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: guys did. How many episodes do you have in the bag already? Do we want it? Do we

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: want to let everybody know that? Like, I don't want to make people think this isn't

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: a living breathing thing. We recorded, we recorded a season by the end of August. So

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: we can cut this if we want, but whoever's tasked with editing this, but yeah. So aside

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: from mailbags that we're going to be doing periodically, this has all been baked and

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that's not how it's going to be in the future. It's just because of the origination of this

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: starting from me having some freer time to prep. So I don't know, Nicole, is it, does

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: it take away too much of the soul if we let everybody know that we pre-baked the entire

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: podcast? No, because we talk about it so much like in, in the episodes being like, Oh,

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: you might not have listened to the Bone Thugs and Harmony podcast yet, but in that episode,

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: we talk about this or in that episode, we talked about Lizzo and now we're talking

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: about her again. Like that's, I think it's going to be really apparent to the listeners

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that these are all been cooked. I'm laughing at the idea of prep because if you watch,

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: just record Mark's prep would be like pages and pages of notes. And my prep would

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: literally be like my coffee. Like a pan and I'd like scribble notes and change my ideas

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: last minute. So I was very much sold on the idea of just being on air talent. And I really love

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that. As someone who has become known in this trio for never writing anything in the outline

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: besides the outline itself. Yeah, I feel you, Nicole. You know, it's just fun to come and

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_03]: give your hot takes. Yeah. And I think it's more, it's fresher that way. And he, he'll

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_03]: say that he does need to prep because he needs to get samples together. And I typically

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: don't really ever need to do that. So right, right. Right. No, I'm the one who scares co-hosts with

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_05]: like the lengths of documents are like, no, no, no, go through it quickly. It's just,

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I need all the details in front of you. Definitely did terrify me with V for vendetta

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: anyway. Oh, I listened to that podcast. Yeah, that was epic. But I should say like,

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, this is my teaching style. Like I prep the notes, but I don't look at them.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the development of them that makes me able to improvise, right? I'm actually a pretty

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: lousy improviser as a guitar player, but the key to improvise is you prepare, which unlocks

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: improvisation. People aren't literally making everything up as if they've never touched their

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: instrument right there. They prepare and then that frees them. Right? So I remember

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: a little while ago, Nicole, you're like, actually it would be easier if you gave me a

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: copy of your notes to follow. And you will note I never did that because I was kind of

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: like, actually that's just going to make this weird because you're going to be seeing an

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: incomprehensible stream of cues for which audio file and stuff. And it's, I'm not really

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: looking at the content. I'm just using it there to help me not forget to do something. Right?

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So I did that just so I would know when it was my turn to talk. That was like my passive

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: aggressive way to say, yeah, I'll highlight your script. So I have a question for both of you

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's going to be a silly one. So the rules here are you can't pick a greatest hits album,

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but the question is if you are stranded on a desert Island, this is not your favorite album.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: This is your desert Island album. What would be the album you would pick to be the only album

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you could listen to for the rest of your life? Carol King tapestry. Okay. Easy.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_00]: He said no greatest hits albums. That's not a greatest hits album.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, of her previous decade of career. This is actually the, how much time you got? Cause this

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: is agonizing for me. I will say I it's so short. I want to say the Beatles revolver,

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's quite short. So it feels sort of like a waste, but I'll say the Beatles revolver. Um,

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the high point. You're going quality over quantity. You're not white albuming

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: this one. I'm not. So white album, this should be all, both of these should be big

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: side tracks. White album, half of the white album is the best Beatles album and half of the white

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: album is absolutely the worst Beatles album. So that inconsistency and fight me on it.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Listeners right in, um, we could talk about that later, but I'll go with revolver. Um,

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: though I'm tempted by some other albums, but one of those gets dropped in a side track

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that I won't spoil people just have to wait for it. I'm actually like kind of changing

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: my idea. I was too quick because now I'm like, if I'm on a desert Island,

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: that half of the white album you're going to choose. Like I wouldn't care. I can lay with

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: cats all over me and like drinking tea and like making soup or something. So I don't know. I

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: feel like, huh? Like I need an album with summer jams and things like that. Like live 40

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: ounces to freedom maybe. Like, I don't know. It's already so played out. It's a hard question.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. That that's more value. That's got like 20 songs on it. It's 20 songs. Yeah.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. I think you're good on tapestry. I think it's hard to argue. I just,

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: second-guessed because it's a big choice. You know, so I support your first choice. Nicole,

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm throwing back at you. I want to learn something about you. Oh, boy. Oh, it's tough.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think I'd have to pick dark side of the moon. I know it's cliche,

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but like there's just so many, there's so many beautiful tracks on that. And I feel like

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I get something out of it every time I listen to it and like things are going to get weird

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: right on that Island. So that's right. That's good when the smoke monster attacks,

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: have like brain damage playing while, while what's his name? I don't remember the

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: monster. I think that that's the Atlanta one. John, I support your, your choice because I was

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: debating between wish you were here or dark side of the moon. I love wish you were here.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's highs are higher, but it's lows are lower. I think dark side of the moon

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: is banger from cover to cover. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. The woman who does the vocal

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: solization, I forget her name off top my head. Like every time I hear that, I hear

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: something new in it. You're saying great gig in the sky. She didn't get paid at first,

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, she got the whole story. Yeah. Oh, you guys are like us.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Marco was like, they're just like us. I was like, that's what we heard when you

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: heard your sample. We knew Alicia. What's yours? Ken, am I allowed to choose a movie

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: soundtrack? Was that in the rules? I think that you can do it. It's not a

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_05]: great sense, right? No, it's not a greatest hits. No, I'm going to choose the

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_05]: for garden states, which is like a lot of that like millennial indie. Yeah, I'm definitely

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: millennial indie kid. You're a Zeniel, right? Yeah. Is that like the shins and stuff like that?

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what I'm trying to remember what was in that. Yeah, there's in Lebanese blonde

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's it's such a good and there's. Iron and wine. So Garfunkel and David. Oh,

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. You're not going to have a definitive answer. You lean towards Pink Floyd,

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: but I have to go play. I'll go wish you were here. All right. Because that's good too. Like

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: there's someone you probably wish was there with you on the. That's a good way. Do you

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: know the lore of Gar to it? Yeah, isn't that it? That's the that's their album experience.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's their studio experience with or engaging with the studio, right? Have a cigar is the

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: only song I think in their whole catalog that no that neither Roger Waters or David Gilmore doesn't

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: sing. And that's because Roger Waters wrote it and usually he would have sung the song,

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but he couldn't hit the high notes and he was really mad about it. So David Gilmore couldn't

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: do it or he was going to hurt Roger Waters feeling. So they got somebody who was recording

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: in the next studio to sing it. Interesting. Yeah, did not know that very good. Whatever

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you got to do to keep the band together. And we know that was very successful in the long term,

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite rendition right now though, there's a

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: band called the Main Squeeze and they do this amazing resume. If you YouTube search for the

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: main squeeze, have a cigar, the singer is absolutely phenomenal. Anyway, Alicia, I think

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_05]: you had a question. Yeah, well, I was wondering what's one piece of music you

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: refuse to cover and why? We had a lot of conversation about this like in our

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: generation process. There are a couple of artists that we agreed to not touch.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: One we address in one of our micro, we have these little side track episodes that are just

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: extra conversation. Mark's a really big fan of Michael Jackson, but we had a

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: conversation about addressing that. To be clear, I'm a fan of Michael Jackson and I also have

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: significant misgivings about Michael Jackson. It's not that I am the one on the side of,

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I have an answer to that question though in line of that. Okay. R. Kelly. Oh yeah. We're

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: never doing R. Kelly. No, for the same reasons. For the same reason but it's less. It's

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: harder not to do Michael Jackson than not to do R. Kelly though. Also we talk about

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor Swift because I like Taylor Swift's songwriting a lot, but we agreed to never,

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: in the first season anyway, to never really deep dive into one of her songs as not to

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: activate the Swifties. Don't do that.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_05]: They start beefs with fictional vampires. Watch out.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. It's just this time. We always said if there's a fandom that someone's going to be

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: a bigger fan than us on Taylor Swift, on Beyonce. We talk about them in passing but

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: there's, we don't want to offend anybody and some of these fandoms get really,

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: they take things personally as they should because they love the music and they'll love

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: it more than we ever could. So we just left that alone. But those were some boundaries

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: we set early on. So what are the next three or what are the first three episodes that are

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be out now? Because the feed is live, right? So search for Never Mind the Music or

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you can go into the lorehounds.com web page. But what are the first three episodes that are

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: dropping? Yeah. So Tuesday, September 10th, three episodes drop. The first one is Paramore,

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: their tune. That's what you get. Second episode is The Sign by Ace of Base and the third episode

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: is The Crossroads. Oh yeah. It taps into some history for me.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody wondered our age demographic, right? The Ace of Base and then The Crossroads

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: by Bone Thugs in Harmony is the third one. That's a nice sampling of genres. Sure. Although

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: speaking of just noting our age, we definitely lean a lot on the 90s and the 2000s, we would

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: say overall throughout the season at least. Some newer stuff, some older stuff. Yeah. So

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: what are some other highlights that you could maybe drop or how far back do you go? Do

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: you get 60s and 70s? What do you want to say? What are your highlights? My highlights?

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked the Lizzo episode that we did. I thought that was a really good conversation.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked the Bruno Mars that we did and the Drake episode. There's a lot. I don't want to

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: give too much away what's on our roster. We want to tease people a little bit. We have a

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: lot of content. We've got some 70s, some 80s. Oh, the TLC episode. So good. More 90s.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. We've got, I remember Depeche Mode coming up in the Last of Us coverage and we

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: have a Depeche Mode episode. Cool. It's funny because we established early on that I'm a huge

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: fan of 80s New Wave and synth pop and stuff. And then I realized I kind of avoided it after

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that. So we actually only have a handful of 80s episodes, probably because I was trying not

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: to play to stereotype too much. But the furthest back we go is there's always a season.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: You have late 60s. There's always a season two. I like 80s synth pop. So please go wild.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. I can only be made fun of by Nicole so many times.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually really liked, our full episodes are great, but we got so sidetracked in recording that

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: we'd end up with a whole sub episode just when I rant about Left Eye or when I rant about grief

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: or something that we made the sidetrack episodes that kind of add some value as well.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Great. So you have your main episodes and these sidetracked things, right?

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are, as she said, literally cut from the main conversations to the point that

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole didn't even necessarily know they would be episodes. I'm like, by the way,

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that's an episode. Remember that conversation about why you hate California?

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Californian, by the way, so that's why it's yet another attack,

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: personal attack from Nicole. But some of them are premeditated. So the first sidetrack is the

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: fourth episode, which will come out a week after launch, which is us bringing our top five

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_00]: cover songs, our top five cover versions and comparing them. I've got some audio samples of

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: them. So some of them are music related and actually involve some deep diving,

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: but they're not episodes on a specific song. It's more of a lighthearted conversation about

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: our favorites or maybe least favorite sometimes. We're going to take the intro that you guys

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: prepared as well, sort of the official intro, and we're going to tack it onto the end of

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: this podcast so folks can hear that as well. And you guys talk about the sidetracks versus

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: the main pods and stuff on that. Where do people find you? How do people find you?

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: What's their contact information? You're the one that knows how to say the email

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: address properly. Oh, gosh. Really? It doesn't on most of the episodes.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I need the script. You can find us on Instagram. We're never music pod on

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Instagram and nevermindthemusicpod at gmail.com. False.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: False. Oh, no. We are also never music pod at gmail.com.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: There you go. Yeah.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We had some drama with Google, but yes, we are never music pod kind of everywhere.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. Got it. And we've got a Discord channel set up for you on our server

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and conversations already been happening there. And folks can also just go to lorehounds.com

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and find your podcast in our main feed there, or they can search for Nevermind the Music on

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: their podcast player of choice and subscribe. You can go to the lorehounds.com and if you click

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the subscribe button, go to the Nevermind the Music pod and it'll give you the option for

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever pod player you use. Perfect. Mark, Nicole, thanks so much for coming on

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: to the podcast with us today. And as a quick reminder for folks, we have that five-minute

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: intro that you guys recorded for the podcast and we've tacked that on to the end of this

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: recording. So that'll play in just a moment, but thanks again for everything. And we're really

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: excited for your season of Nevermind the Music. Awesome. Thank you guys. You're great.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much. Happy to be part of it. Could the tone of this intro be us trying

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: to decide what the tone of the intro is? It's key that people know that we're like

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: academics, but that we're doing this irreverently. That's what I want them to

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: know. Are you recording now? Yeah. Are we recording right now? We're recording? We're

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_00]: recording the pre-conversation. Oh my gosh. Hi, I'm Nicole. And I'm Mark and this is Nevermind

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: the Music. Hey Mark, do you ever notice that when you're listening to music, one part of the

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: song just gets really stuck in your head and you like illuminate on it and you can't get

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: out of your head? Absolutely. And I've got some musical explanations for that, but I bet

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you have some psychological explanations for it. I totally do. Anybody remember in high school

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: or middle school or even college, you had that professor that would every now and then just like

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: waste a lot of time talking about random stuff. Yeah, that's us. Half the time you're like,

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: uh, we have a test tomorrow, but most of the time you're like, yeah, he's wasting time.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's this podcast. I think it is. I do that in my classes. I'm notorious for that,

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I have people like, we're off track right now. I'm like, okay, like, gosh, nerd. You say

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: notorious. That's right. That student. But you say notorious, like it's bad. That's where the

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: meaningful learning happens. I think so. It's when someone raised their hand and they start

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about hardcore punk. When I was teaching a lecture on Beethoven and we go on this 20

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_00]: minute sidetrack that I feel like people are going to remember that better than if we just

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: stuck to the plan. I think so. I mean, maybe that's ADHD, but I'm not sure. And I think

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: you're not a psychologist or anything. Oh, wait a minute. We are two friends, one a psychology

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: professor, the other a music professor talking about a song over a beer. Maybe we drink too much

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: coffee. When we first started, I told you when I, the first thing I do when I listen to a new

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: song is I read the lyrics and you told me I was listening to music wrong. Oh no, I did

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: not tell you that. Are you kidding? You said you're like, you're listening to it wrong. And

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: how could it be wrong? If I said that, I have edited it out of the podcast in shame because

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not mean to say that. Yeah, like what you're doing it wrong. I was like, well,

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: what's the right way? Mark, what are some of like the different songs that we've talked about

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: so far in this pod? Well, there's that time that we started talking about The Sign by Ace

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: of Base and I wanted to talk about how they do some cool key changes from major to minor.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you started talking about Jung's collective unconscious. How did we get there?

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It made sense at the time. I don't honestly mark. So I've written down the topics. Yeah,

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even remember half the things that we talk about. So what about the episode where

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk about how the way a Dua Lipa song's melody is built is analogous to the various

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: personality components. Yeah, that was really cool. We talked about like how you take like

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: a foundation and keep adding and adding and adding on to it. And that myriad of sound

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: creates this really complex texture like the myriad of our personalities created with our

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: experiences. What I love about this podcast is I think I know why a piece of music works

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the way it works and I bring a song to the table and I'm like, let me show you a cool chord or

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_00]: let me show you a cool melodic trick. And you tell me actually why there's like a brain thing

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: going on. Like we're talking about a catchy melody and you're like, let's talk about

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: intrusive thoughts for a second. That conversation got weird though, that intrusive thought

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: conversation. And then sometimes we talk about things so much that we go on rants and we had

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_03]: to create like whole sidetrack episodes. We listened to Party in the USA and talked about

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: like coming of age and stereotypes and how you fit in certain places but not other places.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the sidetrack? What was the sidetrack on that? How much you hate Los Angeles

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and love Boston? Oh yeah, well I just think that people in Boston are kind but not nice.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't spoil it, don't spoil it, save it. I'm just saying like there are differences.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I'm a Boston girl and you're more, you're an LA guy and that's... LA guy.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: My San Diego family and friends are spinning in their... Wait, they're fine. They're in San Diego.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: No, they're not mad. They're not listening. They're too busy. No,

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: they're too busy just being nice to everybody. I like the sidetrack about how I had a really

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: lousy high school music teacher even though I'm the professional musician and you had a

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: really awesome high school music teacher. I had the best high school music teacher.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right, he'll get a whole episode later.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Never Mind the Music is part of the Lore Hounds Network. We launch on Tuesday, September 10th

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: with three full episodes featuring Paramore, Ace of Base and Bone Thugs in Harmony. Be sure

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: to subscribe now so you don't miss any episodes when they drop. Tell us what you

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00]: think by sending an email at nevermusicpod at gmail.com. We're also on social media

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: at nevermusicpod. So the theme music stopped about 15 seconds ago, so we'll see you then.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for listening.