Oneshot - Beetlejuice (1988) & Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (2024)

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome to The Lorehounds. I'm your host, Alicia. Visiting your ears today to talk about Beetlejuice, the original and the new one with Brandon the Bard. Brandon welcome back. How have you been?

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Hello, I'm glad to be back. I've been. I've been wild. A little bit of cursive, but everything so far. You know today's pretty good. Pretty good. How have you been?

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think I've talked to you since the Big Lorehounds meet up. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's definitely been a cursive year. We've had some cursive scheduling for this episode.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_08]: So it was going to be I mean you were in from the get-go. As soon as I brought up the Beetlejuice Beetlejuice one shot and then John was going to join us. Ron was going to join us at one point. It's just was a big mess for scheduling and here it is back to the original too in the end.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Not to mention we could have done this a couple times before, but my house kept falling apart in various different ways. So it's just been it has been buck wild around these parts.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_08]: But we're here today and I actually could not get to I tried several times to get to the movie and things came up like.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_08]: So I actually saw the movie this morning. Oh nice. So it's really good. It was it was at the first time this morning.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_08]: You saw it or wow, so you're fresh fresh. I'm fresh fresh. So it's just been all around like forces

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_08]: conspiring to keep us from making this episode. But here we are we shall defeat those forces. We shall.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_08]: So the way we're going to do it today is we're going to start at first by just like talking background on

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_08]: the original Beetlejuice film, the franchise in general are experiences with it. Why we were so excited to talk about this new film?

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, just a little production in tell and then we'll take a quick break and after that we'll be back and we'll do our full spoiler dive into the second.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_08]: So let's start with you, Brendan. You pipe up when I brought up this one shot months ago. What about this franchise made you think like yeah, that's something I want to cover.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah. Well, um I am a bit of a weirdo in that I like the visuals, the vibes and the themes of horror, but I don't like to be scared.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. So whatever you put all those trappings in a comedy, then you're right pitching right right at me.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And Beetlejuice has just always been that for me. It came out two years before I was born. So there's there has been a

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Beetlejuice before there was a brand in the bar. So my parents kind of fit that as well. They're both a little spooky, especially especially my mom.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_06]: So things like Beetlejuice, Rocky Horror Picture Show, like things that are dressed like horror's that are more fun.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_06]: With you know, like some genuine scares in there as well. That's usually my favorite kind of thing.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So and probably at least once a year I watched Beetlejuice, especially around the spooky season.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, what about you? I mean, spooky comedy is basically my entire personality and I'm just going to throw

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_08]: out there for the first time. For the first time of water short to be more this episode,

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_08]: watch Agatha all along the first two episodes are out if you haven't seen it. It is really hitting

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_08]: the nail in the head and that Shabby genre of spooky silly. Excellent.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so yeah, Beetlejuice I don't know is kind of like the OG for me. I am a few years older than the film.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_08]: My sister's one year younger but yeah, it's something I probably definitely was not old enough to watch it when I

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_08]: came out. Like I don't think I saw it in the theater or anything. It's just something that was always there.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Repeat watching some Halloween obviously. I loved Lydia. Well, you know what I think it is.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's actually even the cartoon that got me in the door first. Yeah, yeah, that's sense.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I used to be insecure about my name when I was little because nobody could spell it pronounced it

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_08]: and so I kept like requesting other names. My biggest one was Storm. But Lydia was also in the list.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I wanted to change my name to Lydia and it was definitely because of this.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Lydia is a good name. Storm is an excellent name. It's a shade that didn't let you go with it.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I think Alicia suits you, that's fine. So did you watch the animated series?

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I did watch the animated series. It is one of those things that it's far back

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_06]: enough in my memory that I remember doing it, but I'd remember almost nothing about it.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I definitely get some character silhouettes in my head that didn't quite make it to the

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_06]: background. But I sort of liked the, I believe it was like a, almost like a buddy cop.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Wasn't it exactly? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was kind of misremembered the relationship between

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia and Beetlejuice in the original film because it is different in the animated series.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So okay, just a quick plot synopsis of the original film for anyone who needs a refresher. It

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_08]: is about a deceased couple who is stuck haunting their own house and they try to scare the new

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_08]: inhabitants who want to redesign everything. They call for help from a devious bio-exorcist named

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice, a demon slash ghost from the other side than neither lumps. And yeah, he's summoned

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_08]: by saying his name Beetlejuice three times. So one of the inhabitants is a young girl,

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia, as I said, play by a woman owner writer who is dealing with her in a

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_08]: electrical father and her new stepmother and Beetlejuice tries to force her to marry him

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_08]: and his antics within both the house and the afterlife. There's antics all over the place until

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_08]: they're finally able to send Beetlejuice back to where he came from leaving the ghost and human

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_08]: inhabitants to live happily ever after. And I've now said his name way more than three times.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was going to pipe up after the second time you said it in that in that synopsis,

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_06]: but I was just like, if he's going to come he's going to come and say, what are you going to do?

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_08]: So what were some of your favorite moments from the original film?

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh man, a lot of the physical comedy is very much remembered for me.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course the the dayo dance mighty deadly black tarantula with Charles. I think that's his name.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Just the his physical comedy there. Just the everyone being super uncomfortable.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's very fun except for like you know I like the moments where they get into it like

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Otho with the drum and I can't remember out those girlfriends name but she her and her whole

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Goth charm. Yeah, um, god what the the social worker with her smoking neck hole.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_08]: There's just so much good. She won a Saturday award for that I think she did. Yeah. Okay.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that she deserved it because she was such a good vibe and honestly that like from the original

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_06]: the vibe of the thing I'll say is like a strong suit for me and just the bureaucracy of you know

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I take a number sit down for like all that was very fun. And just the the visuals

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_06]: the the practical effects that are done expertly in the original was good and

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_06]: not to get into spoilers but the practical effects in the new one are pretty great too. If I'm going to go ahead

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: out that out but yeah what about you what what uh what are some of your favorite moments from the original?

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean yeah the bureaucracy definitely I love this like handbook for the recently deceased like

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah the I love the make-ins there's a frustrated the whole time about reads like a phone book or

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: whatever like they really just did not like that book. Well they were just like I can I know so many

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_08]: people because I was always a school nerd you know it's like really textbooks are fun

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_08]: but I know lots of people were like oh and one of the read all this stuff and I get it I understand

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_08]: and that's what this is like the yeah textbook for how to be dead and why

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_08]: does that exist as a merch option because if it does not it absolutely should. It should at least be

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_06]: a book cover like that would be an ex if people are still using book covers then yeah slap it on like

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_06]: a your you know history book or something that would be very fun. Yeah original of course.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: yourself yeah that's true I could throw that on Etsy and make make a million dollars.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: One million um yeah so speaking of evil things I thought the dog was evil

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_08]: every time that I watched this because I don't watch it that often to be honest and then I forget like

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_08]: because the dog seems to it causes their accident at the beginning and then the dog is just like

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_08]: standing there balancing on this beam and then gets off the beam and that's how Gina Davis

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: and Alec Baldwin die in right yeah the and the the the maintenance lock eyes with this dog

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_06]: who is a balancing the the whole weight of the car is just hovering on this little plank of wood

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_06]: and the dog seems to pointedly hop off and kill the maintenance. Yes exactly so I'm always

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_08]: waiting for the dog to come I thought maybe they would make a reference to it in the new movie sorry

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_08]: spoiler they do not mention the dog but there is a speed sign on that bridge now.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_06]: That makes sense yeah I didn't I actually watch the original this morning just to you know

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_06]: to bring myself back up to speed and I did notice like I guess we should save it for

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_06]: getting into the other one but they do a lot to like put you in the same town and there's a lot of

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I didn't even see did they have like a good patch job in the new one of where the the car goes to the

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_06]: one. There was a patch yeah there was a patch. Cool very very cool I think the dog

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_06]: uh I think the lower-hand stake on this will be that the dog it definitely is evil. Yes

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's official it's canon. For sure though the dog is definitely dead by the second movie

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_08]: if it if it is a corp orial being because that dog is not going to make it 30 more years but they

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_06]: the puppy of the dog or something. They did they gave her like uh like a like a two title I

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_06]: think they they said. Yeah junior whatever. Was it the same actor? No child actor?

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh the child oh who played the child um not that I know of but that would be cool if it were

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_06]: it would be cool if they brought her back as the adult version if that if that child actor stayed

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_08]: an actor that would be a yeah it would be a cool callback and of course one of the other like most

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_08]: iconic things from the original is the striped sandworms on the moon of Saturn the sanding

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_08]: desert mood of Saturn which I was a dune kid also growing up or even more so. So yeah this

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_08]: is definitely a dune rip off moment but in this like cool kitchie stop motion animation way.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah it definitely seems pointedly dune um also do we know which moon of Saturn do they ever say

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_08]: because there's a couple moons of Saturn. Right I mean yeah and I don't know the well enough

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_08]: to know which one would if there would be one that sandy uh are any of them yeah. I have no idea

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_08]: maybe humanity doesn't know the well enough you know that. Yeah I don't know I should know

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_06]: because I am a big destiny the video game player and there's a couple of things that go on

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_06]: around Saturn and I should know but I don't because you know my brain's not the kind of trap that

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_06]: holds those like those details but yeah very fun I do like the imagery of the sandworms and stuff

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_06]: the uh the stop motion like the uh the way the stop motion works I think is so fun and the way that

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_06]: they kind of mirror it because obviously now they don't have to use stop motion in the new movies.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Right but the way that they still do it and you can kind of see like it cut in with the frame rate

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_06]: being different than the rest of the movie it looks all choppy and stuff but it was so delightful.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a feed you can add a bug yeah exactly even like looking back at the old one um for

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_06]: some reason those stop motion practical effects hold up so well for me like as far back as like

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_06]: is it called Jason in the Argonauts where it's the skeleton there right there in the house and

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah like that that still just looks so cool to me um and uh you know obviously it's good that we've

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_06]: been able to progress uh and like you know Jurassic Park was originally done it was going to be

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_06]: done with stop motion and that's when they sort of made the big jump to CGI for a lot of things

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm glad for that that they yeah yeah and that's uh it was good and it still looks good to this

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: day but like I think that's kind of why they gave Phil Tippet the uh the stop motion man who pretty

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: much was responsible for all like the Star Wars model work and all that they gave him uh I don't

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: know why I'm getting into Jurassic Park details but they gave him the dinosaur uh dinosaur handler

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_06]: titled because his whole job ended up being not stop motion anymore uh because they switched

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_06]: the switch the special effects out of them like in production so um did he have to learn be like

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_06]: CGI? I think so um but I think that he was there for the process like as a more of a figure head

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: than like hands-on because it's not his forte but he's still like very good at doing what a thing

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_06]: should look like so yeah but I assume there was some hand shaking like this looks good enough

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_06]: will we can go with this uh I I give it my my praise as a person a man who makes things look good

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_08]: for you know right yeah yeah well speaking of the moon of Saturn the stars um the name

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_08]: beetle juice the Michael Keaton character it's actually spelled you know the character's real name is

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_08]: BECle G-E-U-S-E which is a name of one of the brightest stars in the sky some states

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_08]: eighth brightest I'm say tenth brightest it's a red super giant and it is part of the constellation Orion

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_08]: and it comes from basically the name comes from a mispronunciation of an Arabic word meaning

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_08]: the hand of al jauze which is their name for Orion and um yeah I there was a cool story I saw

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_08]: on African mythology about this star that I just had to share not that it's this is definitely

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_08]: a side track but so the star in African mythology and I'm not sure exactly where I'm sorry I don't

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_08]: think it's all you know the same but in one version of the mythology the star represents a lion

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_08]: that is keeping its eyes on three zebra which is what we call Orion's Belt and English and

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_08]: they have a deity failed to kill the lion with his arrow but didn't try to take it back because

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_08]: the lion was watching beetle juice was watching the zebra so the the deities sits there to this

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_08]: day shivering due to the cold nights and suffering which is very lovely again it has the vibes

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know any of this is why they took the name for that character I bet it's just because

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_06]: it sounds spooky beetle juice it's like a good yucky sound but I love all this this is some very

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: lorehounds shit if you don't mind me saying to get into these specifics because that is very fascinating

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_06]: and it might be more thought that they actually gave to the name they just saw I bet they just

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_06]: held the name or like beetle juice that's fun to say it's a three times woo that's kind of

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_08]: good to redo it so it was a plot point in the first one that people when they saw it written down

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_08]: they didn't know how to pronounce it and there are different pronunciations in English but

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_08]: in the new film everyone just knew right away like you could I mean I guess it's not a surprise

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_08]: that that asteroid is like smarty pants you know to immediately correct you knites that name

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_06]: of course yeah it's very fun Alex Baldwin what is his name Adam in the original he

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_06]: mispronounced several things over the course of it and Gina Davis's Barbara had to correct him for

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_06]: the for instance handbook for the recently diseased and then he says it's deceased he says oh yes

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_06]: handbook for the recently deceased it's sort of like he and it's funny because he sort of takes

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_06]: like lead in like reading the handbook but he got that wrong right up to I don't know

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_06]: it's just such a funny beat there's a moment like there's a big like this here we go sidetracked

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_06]: future alma that cartoon there's a there's a bit in there where it just shows a red button

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and frigo's to push the button and like the camera goes in automatically and he just misses

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_06]: the button goes out and then he has to re-correct and touch the button it was a very much that

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_06]: moment where is very fun just an excellent comedy timing yeah well I mean I think yeah that that

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_08]: is the key to this and I think it's down to both films having credible cast who just know

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_06]: timing inside and out yes like I've got some qualms but uh testing I don't think is one of them at all

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I think and everyone seems to really go for it in the old one and in the new one yeah I think

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_06]: there is there's a bit more subtlety in the original which is fun to say because you know

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_06]: you wouldn't call it subtle but compared like juxtaposed to the new one there I think there's

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_06]: it's treated with a little bit more um I guess I'll use the word subtlety twice in this instance

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_06]: but well we can get into that when we when we get there right well so there's different

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_08]: writers so by the way did you know that the Tim Burton originally wanted to cast Sammy Davis Jr

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_06]: as Beetlechuse? I didn't I don't know much about Sammy Davis Jr except for kind of

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_06]: wary hungout and a little bit about who he was but yeah with the rat back but I think that would be

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_08]: probably pretty rad yeah it would be different and I think the character would have been

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_08]: character I was completely different but absolutely I would love to be in the alternate reality

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and that has that version to watch did he not get cast because he wasn't alive anymore or how

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_08]: did that work I don't know when he died yeah I know I think it was after maybe he said no or something

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_06]: okay there we're it so weird we're is a weird job that's for sure

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_06]: good thing they got one of the best weirdos in the world to be Beetlechuse. Yeah no I mean it

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_08]: worked out but yeah it would have been an interesting version otherwise but we did get it it was

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_08]: say 1988 to release directed by Tim Burton and the writers for the first one was there was a story

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_08]: by Michael McDowell and Larry Wilson and the screenplay was by McDowell and Warren Skarn

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_08]: so these are different writers than the second one and that's gonna come up. Yeah

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_08]: and so the budget of the first one was 15 million and they just spent one million of that on VFX

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_08]: and then it went on to make 75 million at the box office so it was a huge uphill battle to get

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_08]: it made because again it's weird but then it was a smash success like critically and financially

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_08]: so yeah they've been trying to remake it for a long time. It won yeah it got on Rotten Tomatoes

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_08]: it has an 83% positive score from critics 82% from audiences on Metacritic it's 71 from critics

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_08]: 7.8 from audiences and it won the Academy Award for Best Makeup well deserved and three

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Saturn Awards for Best Horror Film Best Makeup and Best Supporting Actress for Sylvia Sidney who

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_08]: played Juno the social worker. Yeah deserved yeah and she's also like she's she's been

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_08]: before that she was acting since the 1930s so that's probably also a career Oscar. Yeah

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_06]: probably also both of us growing up we've seen her in like a million movies like she's just an

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_06]: excellent character actress obviously for us she was an old lady and a lot of things but like

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_06]: she just had such power it beatle juice because she was just so over everyone's shit. It was one

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_06]: it was one her with the football team is so funny. The last gig over the bathroom is

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_06]: she's like the bathroom can you read the sign? She was so relatable no she's so relatable

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_08]: is there anything you want to shout out about the original movie before we talk about the rest?

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Oof um just how much I like everyone like the entire cast of the original was so good.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Otho is such a high point because I think he does the best and he's obviously the uh the artsy

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_06]: artsy friend of Delia. He's an interior designer slash paranormal expert and he he does

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_06]: the the perfect line-towing of being extremely hateable in a fun way where you never like it's

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_06]: always fun to see him be a jackass and I think um it is very hard to do I think uh no matter how much

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I like you as an actor maybe you can't quite hit that mark if that's what you're going for but this

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_06]: is really crush it um god. Now we'll we'll make a lot of comparisons as we get into the second one but

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I just had just a harp on it I really just love the first one. It is uh it is an unabashed classic

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_06]: and uh sort of maybe the the the thing I wanted to say here is today we ask the ultimate 80s

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_06]: movie sequel question does this beloved movie need a sequel in my opinion it does not but it's

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_08]: a lot of fun to get one. Yeah no I think that's a good way to sum it up um so yeah we talked about

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_08]: we were both into the animated series which ran 1918-1989 to 1991 um did you play any of the

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_08]: video games or I mean I didn't get a chance to see the musical not many people did but I did not

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I just must have missed those games I didn't even know they existed mm yeah I would have absolutely

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_06]: loved a beatled use musical but no I didn't I didn't catch it yeah it's a shame that it I mean I

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_08]: don't know why yeah I didn't last longer I mean yeah but um so then yeah there were so many attempts to

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_08]: make a film sequel to the original the first one was going to be with the original cast again in like

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_08]: 91 or something set in Hawaii and honestly I would have been there for that yeah that sounds like it

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_06]: been a lot of fun. I would like to see Beach Beach Barbie Lydia would be very fun to see

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_08]: how she got it up in Hawaii she would. Hey but so the what we did get this here is they brought back

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_08]: it just like all the pieces finally came into place and they could get Tim Burton to direct again

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_08]: but it is new writers this time so the writers were Alfred Gao and Miles Miller who are known for

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_08]: things like a smallville the Shinara Chronicles and Wednesday and I have to ask because there's

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_08]: a lot of overlap with Wednesday did you watch Wednesday on Netflix the TV show? Okay I

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_06]: remember how I said I like horror coded the comedies. I do not like the Adam's family. I can't

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't know why it's just it's always been like annoying to me I probably because I was haunted by

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Adam's family rap as a child it's just the most awful. It's been spooky. Right I love them.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I never want to yuck anyone's yam if you look at him. No I'm not a stranger but

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_06]: you know I've seen them I did not want to watch Wednesday my wife watched Wednesday so I caught some

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_06]: strays on there of course seen some of the viral dancing and whatnot I did watch smallville

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_06]: but no I did not catch Wednesday and I don't think anyone watched the Shinara Chronicles okay

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_08]: okay I have not yet actually watched smallville but it is on I'm doing this like thing

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_08]: where I'm catching up on old DC shows that I haven't watched so I'm in the middle of watching the

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_08]: flash from the 90s and then and then I'm going to rewatch the 90s Batman movies and then

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_06]: no smallville's next to my list for that. Heck yeah that should be fun for you I will say

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_06]: looking back upon smallville with with no like real you know I'm not I'm not diggin too hard

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like I remember everyone really tried as far as the acting department their writers didn't

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_06]: try extra hard but they didn't have any money to make the show and they kept Superman grounded

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_08]: but I liked everyone I think everyone did their best um so I feel similarly about the Shinara

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Chronicles okay it was very likable cast and I've sent in them and other things and you know

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't hate the show I enjoyed the show um I wasn't sad when it got cancelled because especially

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_08]: the second season the writing are just like okay um and I was a huge uh Adam's family front fan

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_08]: as I just demonstrated both the animated series and the movies and I really liked them um Wednesday

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I enjoyed you know like I do like this movie better than Wednesday um but I have the same

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_06]: problems with both okay that makes sense um I will say visually I enjoyed what I saw from Wednesday

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I liked that they paired her with a sunshine girl I thought that was that's always a thing

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_06]: that I like is that the happy go lucky with the with the Goth girl that made me happy but as

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I had from that I can't add anything else to the conversation so we shall move along as of us yeah okay

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_08]: so the second film it cost about a hundred million to make and so far we're recording on

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_08]: September 19th it was after midnight for me September 20th as of this date it's made about

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_08]: 195 million in the US 76 million internationally so 270 million in total but it's interesting that

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_06]: it did a lot better in the US than abroad. That is interesting and you know good for them they did it.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah um so yeah my theory was pretty empty but I went on a what was it a Wednesday morning so

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_06]: right I pretty much only yeah I only catch Matt and May is at this point um if I I might go to the

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_06]: theater three times a year at the most but yeah I'm always sitting next to Grandpa's and I'm only

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_06]: there you know in the in the morning time but and it's always empty wherever I'm at so uh yeah I

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_06]: you know uh the audience that I that was there seemed to be reacting fairly positively to it

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_08]: there was laughs there was there was even a moment of oh yeah yeah and so for this one the

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_08]: reviews are still quite positive so uh Rotten Tomatoes it's 77% from the critics that are positive 81%

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_08]: from the audience and then on Metacritic it's 62% from the critics and the audience has gave it a

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_08]: 6.5 average so that's still you know leaning very positive um now do you know are you familiar with

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_06]: the Pocila scale I actually am not I I I I get some context clues uh what this could mean but go ahead and tell

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_08]: me so our favorite Tolkien scholar Marilyn our Pocila she's not um she doesn't enjoy violence so

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_08]: we have come up with a scale to sort of indicate whether a movie would be something that she could

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_08]: watch and in this also is useful for other people because she turns out she's obviously not the only

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_08]: one who doesn't enjoy watching that much violence so um yeah if if zero is like uh I think they said

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_08]: season one of rings of power and then uh Clockwork Orange is plus five was Marilyn's specification

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: where do you think this falls on the Pocila scale oh okay so the scale tops out there at five

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_08]: well I mean I think that there's stuff that's more violent than than five for sure but I don't think

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_06]: this movie will be about that no um this one maybe to me I don't know because there's some of the

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like the original has some pretty visceral gore especially with some of the freshly dead

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_06]: bodies sitting around and you can see the instance of their death uh is gore would you can all right so

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_08]: violence specifically no why don't know because it's also like psychological terror and I guess maybe

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_08]: gore like I'm thinking about specifically it's in it's a moment from the trailer so we can say it

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_08]: in this first part um where he disfill your guts moment and then he literally dumps out his

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_08]: intestines absolutely that's for me the glorious moment I think yeah we'll go with a well I will take

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_08]: a do five yeah maybe it's just not for me thinking also about yeah because all of like the afterlife

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_06]: people you see their injuries yeah and even in the original like there's the guy who's like you

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_06]: want to cigarette at ease is full body is burnt there's the guy who's been flattened by a tractor

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_06]: something and they've got him on a clothes line there's the people that are hanging

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_06]: uh oh man the maelins the maelins try and show themselves murdering each other several times so like

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I was thinking about them contorting their faces into these horrific masks yeah and that's some real

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_06]: body horror stuff with the you know so I'm doing I'm mighting like you guys can see a podcast

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah but yeah um yeah I would God but I'd put it up to a five why not yeah no this is this is a

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_08]: good point and this is also why I should never be the one to set the scale because I'm like I just mine

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_08]: it's completely skewed I don't register right same yeah I laugh if I see Gorotipically I laugh

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_06]: so it's hard it's hard for me to set the scale there but we'll we'll we'll top it off at a five

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I will say there's no like physical like violence that I can think of that's above like cartoon

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_08]: this is cartoon violence it's very cartoon violence for sure and it mostly you see like the

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_08]: aftermath of violence and it's clearly like practical makeup which is part of the charm but it's not

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah super realistic most of the time no there's yeah we'll tell you about it okay so

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_08]: we're about to get into spoilers but before we do for anyone who wants to know about before that what

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_08]: would be your spoiler free hot take on the new film Beetlejuice Beetlejuice you like Beetlejuice

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_06]: watch Beetlejuice Beetlejuice you didn't like Beetlejuice what are you doing here um if you

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_06]: are gonna be particular about everything that made the first one your favorite movie maybe

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_06]: it might not like Beetlejuice Beetlejuice but what's an hour and a half of your time you know never

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_06]: have to see it again and it's not gonna it's not gonna ruin the original film um if you want to

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_08]: have fun watch the movie yeah I agree I mean I think it's a fun film I'm definitely gonna watch it

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_08]: again it doesn't have the same Mad Genius of the original which I think is like nearly perfect

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_08]: excellent way to put that yes um yeah and I think just basically the biggest problem with this there's

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_08]: a lot going on and it's not all neatly pulled together you know the pieces are still little

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_08]: to jagged and uh kind of squashed together yeah um yeah lots of like rehashing

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_08]: member berries so it's like oh remember the shrunken headman well now there's a whole office full of them

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that the world building isn't as neatly done you know in terms of that

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_08]: moon of Saturn they're a little sloppier about how they use it like there were rules in the first one

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_08]: that are just kind of don't get as much attention in this one um and I thought personally I found the

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_08]: twists the biggest twist telegraph to head of time but I know other people were surprised with

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_08]: them so that it could very much be a me thing but I don't know I think it's still it's a lot

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_08]: of fun I think the biggest problem is that I watched it this morning right after I watched the first

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_08]: two episodes of agatha all along and agatha all along just nailed it so perfectly and then I was like

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_08]: and I kept thinking about agatha what I mean but I really enjoyed it and I think yeah I agree like

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_08]: if you like the start with the original you know and if you like that watch it's what yeah

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_06]: don't don't watch beetle juice beetle juice before you watch beetle juice watch the first one

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_08]: what do you know and you crazy don't do that but if you like it yeah there's my not it's not a long

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_08]: film it's a fun film yeah I thought to add something I like that we get to see Lydia grown up

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_08]: and having a family of her own yeah yeah all right well we are that's as much as we can say

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_08]: without getting into this boiler so we're gonna break open this boiler seal right after a quick break

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_08]: okay now this is the part where we try to summarize the plot of the movie briefly together so

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll let you start bread and how would you describe the plot of this movie oh my god well first

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_06]: first let me get it to before we like how did we not mention the music in the original

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_06]: segment of this god we played you some but man does the does the music put you right where you need to be

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_06]: in both films but like right at the right at the top as soon as you see the Gephan logo in the new one I was

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_06]: bouncing to some bouncy Danny Althman and it was wonderful sorry I'm brand-new on the part no I'm

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_08]: really glad I was really glad that Danny Althman came back to score the second one too

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_08]: because that was actually the music clip that I just there was just played um that is from the

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_08]: second film but it is like obviously it's not being attacked and that's that's exactly where you

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_08]: should you know nod back to the original when you have an epic theme song for sure yeah and I think

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_06]: the movie starts perfectly with the swooping shot over the model city right the model of the

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_06]: town so I think that is called excellent yes so oh my gosh are you trying to get me to

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_08]: do a plots and offices right now yeah I mean just you know what what comes to mind what are

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_08]: okay we'll feel in the blanks after you know we just do a little semi sure

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_06]: keep in mind we've both seen this one time so this is if you went and saw the movie five times

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_06]: and you're like all right there's these folks are getting this wrong every time we you know keep in

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_06]: my history so I have it fresh I thought maybe three days ago so I'm still pretty fresh okay

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_06]: so the plot is Lydia's dad died in a funny way

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_08]: everyone has to go back shark shark chomped after but it's a whole long story you got to listen

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: sure I called her Moira I got to listen so Catherine her hair as story um Delia yes

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_06]: so everyone has to go back to the original town from the original movie Lydia's got

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_06]: a Darya like daughter who it doesn't give a shit about anything she meets she's she's a resentful

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_06]: of her weird family she meets a boy um Beetlejuice gets in there somewhere

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice has a girlfriend yeah long and friendly for all these years oh these years never he's

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: got a picture of her on his desk 30 what 30 years to someone who's been dead for that long

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_06]: um chaos ensues all throughout like the entirety of like the the second and third act

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_06]: and then it resolves in a dream sequence did I get it about right yeah yeah basically

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_08]: but I mean we're going to we're going to get into talk about each of the important characters

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_08]: and some other key moments um but yeah well first I thought that we would we would switch things up

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_08]: and start with the feedback so we have a little feedback I thought this could help us frame the

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_08]: rest of our discussion uh first from John who are our John the l'orhound um who was supposed to

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_08]: John right who that John okay cool hi John who was supposed to be recording with us again but uh

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_08]: okay so he says hello my fellow l'orhounds John here recovering from a lovely illness that's

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_08]: keeping me in bed most of the day I saw Beetlejuice Beetlejuice with my wife Maya a couple

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_08]: weeks ago and wanted to write in with my thoughts first of all it feels like a big hit my theater was

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_08]: packed had caused players and had a lot of laughter from the audience really good to see people

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_08]: with the movies again overall I loved the movie they did a really great job capturing the vibe

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_08]: from the original movie while keeping it fresh Jenna or Taga's plot line was a highlight

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_08]: and while it was pretty clear her ghost boyfriend was dead from the minute his parents didn't

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_08]: show their faces agreed it went in a more interesting direction than I thought it would with

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice becoming an unlikely hero a lot of good laughs like Katherine O'Hara insisting her

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_08]: snakes are defanged just before she ends up dead and asking for her husband speaking of Charles

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_08]: the movie masterfully navigates the tough position Burton was put in by the real life horrific

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_08]: acts by Jeffrey Jones it felt like just the right amount of dunking on the actor without changing

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_08]: the character too much and Alicia and Jeff being here for anyone who doesn't know Jeffrey Jones was

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_08]: convicted of some sex offense with a minor basically child pornography sort of situation

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_08]: and yeah well move on for that so that is why Jeffrey Jones was not in this

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_08]: um John continues Michael Keaton still has it though I wish they hadn't marketed him as having

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_08]: quote unquote more energy than in the first one because it skewed my expectation Monica

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Balucci's character was wholly unnecessary but made for a fun slide side plot the only

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice bit that didn't land for me was the wedding because the song was a mista opportunity

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_08]: to use Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie by Abba for Bob Sake the wedding is at midnight

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Gimmie and man after midnight Dolores chasing Beetlejuice just gtisk fair bear criticism

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_08]: onto my substantive critique uh Lydia's character arc I had no problem with where she started we

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_08]: can all get sucked into toxic relationships we don't recognize from the inside and she was being

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_08]: emotionally manipulated by an awful man but at some point Delia asks her where is that little

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_08]: girl who used to terrorize me I was wondering the same thing and I don't think we ever got the answer

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia never gets a chance to really confront Rory he dies by coincidence from the San

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_08]: worm Lydia kind of confronts the juice but in the end she's as scared as she wasn't at the

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_08]: beginning with him haunting her dreams I don't think we ever really saw Lydia find herself again

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_08]: outside of the men who have ruled her through fear and abuse I understand it's a short movie

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_08]: but if we can have the Dolores plot line then we can do Lydia justice speaking of justice for Bob

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_06]: John. So it thoughts? Uh the paper to much nails it um I definitely uh we didn't share

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_06]: the same theater experiences John so that's that's fair um I do agree that General Tegas plot line

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_06]: was I think for me the most elegantly handled of the plot lines um would it make me look stupid to say

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I did not realize her boyfriend was dead I had no clue. No I mean a lot of people apparently yeah

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I do something was going on but for some reason I didn't expect him to be dead um maybe his parents

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_06]: because like at a he points out you don't see their faces and like it like just like camera-wise

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_06]: the camera should have shown the guy the dad watching the TV from the front with his dead eyes or

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_06]: whatever as he's watching like that's how you normally film that uh and you know you'd film the

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_06]: mom turning around to say you know her whatever to her kid so they filmed it in a way like you can't

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_06]: see their faces right now because something's weird um so yeah I should have seen it telegraphed

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_06]: but I didn't so that was a nice surprise for me it was like oh okay and having him be like a total

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_06]: sociopath was great and just the way he manipulated her um I enjoyed that um uh what about you how did

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_06]: you take that I are we gonna sort of use John here as a framework or did we want to get into more

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean we'll move on from there but we might as well talk about this point now um yeah I

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_08]: well I wasn't surprised by the twist and I do think that they should have leaned into that

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_08]: storyline more you know like why not? Absolutely um why not just like build that out more because it

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_08]: just went by so quickly and yeah no I mean maybe I didn't want them to drag it out because I knew

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_08]: you know I knew it at some point like oh he's dead and then I forget I know it was definitely

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_08]: when I didn't see the faces I was like oh they're all dead um I don't know when I realized that

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_08]: was evil but yeah that's that part seemed rushed like something he's evil and now he's gone you

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_06]: know because yeah I mean it feels like there were like three ideas for the movie and they said

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_06]: fuck it we're doing all of them um like beetle juice and Dolores was like one of them um

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Astrid was that her name? Yeah Astrid and the boy in her boyfriend was another one

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_06]: and then Lydia being manipulated by uh Justin Thro I can't remember his name either one time guys

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_06]: give us a break um Rory is Justin Thro's yeah yes I absolutely love Justin Thro by the way

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_06]: as an actor and a man I don't think I I am very much sold on Rory but he's he's sold it

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_06]: is hard as he could and I can't not be delighted by him but um but yeah I feel like they could have

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_06]: gone either what like dip dip dip some of these into further like subplot territory and really

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_06]: highlight one of these but they went too much and said the whole middle of the film for me just felt

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_06]: really like mishmashy you know what I'm saying uh like it just felt like a like a ball of chaos

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_06]: and a way that wasn't super fun I guess uh for trying to follow the plot anyway uh yeah moving

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah okay I know uh Ron feels similarly so Ron also co-host on this network also was going to

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_08]: try to join this but you know the curse of the Beetlejuice guy like scheduling hey this your boy

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Ron Dawson coming at you with my mcar quick voice memo review of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: now after that I want to say I really enjoy this movie it was a lot of fun I don't think it holds

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: up to the original I thought the original was a lot more fun uh a lot of funnier than this one

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but the main problem I have with this one is the main villain the lors

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Beetlejuice's wife serves no purpose to the story other than to give us a sort of quasi-orgen

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: story of how Beetlejuice died in the first place throughout the whole movie she is sucking out the

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: souls of ghosts that the end it's kind of anti-climatic in terms of how she's defeated she's

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: defeated with sandworms which you know that's how Beetlejuice was defeated so this could be

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: their way of being able to reintroduce her and the next movie because that's like I said that's

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: how Beetlejuice was defeated at the end of the first one but it just it didn't do anything didn't

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: add any uh gravitas really to the story and kind of added stakes uh stakes but like I said it felt

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of anti-climatic I would have much preferred if they completely chucked out that storyline

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and just focus on the boy that uh the daughter met that was a really powerful theme about her

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that feeling connected to her parents the meeting this boy and the reveal and that kind of new

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: something was going on when they walked to this house and they didn't show the faces of his parents

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: so I already knew something was up but I felt like if they kind of melted a little bit longer and

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: they had to reveal of him being the ghost later on in the story that's saying the third act

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and if that was the focus of the whole story her relationship with this boy it could have had

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_01]: a much more sort of sixth sense to feel to it I think it would have been a more emotionally packed

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: story if the whole thing was focusing on that relationship then the sacrifice that

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that uh the uh we know the writer character does at the end with been a little bit more powerful

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: because you're gonna spent this whole time kind of seeing that not that it wasn't but I kind of

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: felt like it was throwing away but you could have played into that more if the whole story was

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you know the daughter building up this relationship with this ghost and you find out that this

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: ghost is a ghost and then she makes this thing to give up her soul and Mary Beetlejuice

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and it doesn't make me kind of end like that and so it's up I never theory because we know if this

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: does well they're going to make a Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice which will

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: probably be the title of a third one I think it's pretty clear that since this is Beetlejuice

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: too and they want to see Beetlejuice twice the third one will be Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I also wasn't crazy about the fact that they brought back Charles as a half-feet and

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: victim of a shark I mean the actor who played him I believe is actually dead and so I don't

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: think they need to do that it was it was not believable they at the end that she would go

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: have happy with her half-feet and husband with blood spreading out from the middle I think it would

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: be nice sort of you know Charles had died and he had gone to the great beyond and it ended with

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the dealia character I believe that was the cast of the hero character's name of her

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: accepting her death and the moving on to the great beyond to go be reunited with Charles

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that would have been a nice ending rather than what they did anyway those are my thoughts on the

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: movie again I really enjoyed it I had watched it again it was on once it's on streaming I wouldn't

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_01]: go out to the theater again it's kind of like there was a mis-opportunity to focus on a better story and

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: have the next one be the story of the lore maybe introduce her at the beginning of this one teaser

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and then have it come back or something but have season has season three have you know the third version

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: be about her and then have that be more stakes have to be more stakes involved and have to be more

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: than just came back and forth to her second souls anyway because we don't really know her story like

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_01]: why she so obsessed other than the fact that she's mad as you got to up that again anyway

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: those are my thoughts hope this helps keep up the great work and I'm sorry I can't be there

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: too recorded with you it's our next time they're long and prosper oh

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_08]: thanks yeah so again the Charles actor he he's not dead just his career yes definitely thank god

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree with most parts of Ron there I definitely disagree about Charles I think it is an excellent

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_06]: choice to have him just be a half bitten in half man and his girgly like with every time we

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_06]: talk to the dealie it's the blood when he talks to the dealie in the blood splurge sprays all over

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_08]: it's so funny well that's what I started to think of when we were talking about the

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_08]: voculus skills I go away to minute there is that that's yeah that's the biggest one because

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_06]: that is just so gory then of course the child birth scene right anytime the baby beetle

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_08]: do you show us up his real gross in her child I don't yeah well we're good we'll talk about

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_08]: the end in a bit but yeah okay I have questions but yeah I agree with Ron again that they should

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_08]: have invested in a more central storyline they would have made it feel more balanced but

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I just am getting the sense that maybe I don't love these writers yeah yeah a lot of the choices

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the actors did well despite the choices the writers made I think is the fun way to

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_08]: think about it but yeah I think I'm with you yeah and that's how I felt about Wednesday to be honest

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_08]: the TV show but anyway um all right so let's listen to also our last piece of feedback

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: is another voicemail from Lisa aka Red Zippy hi this is Red Zippy or Lisa big movie fan here

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and I thought I would chime in with my thoughts on beetle juice beetle juice um I think the movie

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: should have been named Katherine Katherine Katherine because it was all about Katherine O'Hara for me

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: loved every moment that she was on screen she is just fantastic as Delia and I enjoyed that so much

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and really what I liked best about the movie was when they really just focused on the stories

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: of the three generations of women of Delia, Lydia and Astrid um I gave the movie only six out of

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: ten because I found any other storyline to be completely unnecessary and very distracting for me

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not like any of the corpse bride storyline it looked kind of cool when she was putting

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: herself back together but I that was completely lost on me I suppose it had to be there

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to motivate beetle juice to help Lydia later in the movie when she needs to find Astrid but

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and even more detestable or annoying for me was any of the Willam Defoe so I completely

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: don't understand why that was in there at all just take all of that out please and as much as I

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: love Justin Thro did really need him either um I figured that you know Astrid is upset with Lydia

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: because Lydia can't see her dad and if she really was in touch with Singo so I can't she see her dad

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: so again I wish that the storyline was just um I loved the storyline where Astrid

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: fall to seeing a ghost a ghost who's a killer and gets that whole storyline was fantastic that

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_02]: provided all the motivation I needed for any of the story so yeah six out of ten they're definitely

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: were some great beetle juice moments you know being back in the attic but I thought that was maybe

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: one too many karaoke takeovers for me um I did chuckle big time when uh Michael Keaton and

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Beetlejuice went into that whole uh Fudge uh this is the story of my time to give us the background

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_02]: on corpse bride even though yeah no um so I think there was just too much story way too much

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: in there um and it just really shined for me when uh I had Katherine and Sarah on screen so yeah

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you know of course I'm glad I got I saw it and it was a good crowd and a lot of folks

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: who enjoyed the first time uh just really had a lot of laughs uh so obviously everyone's enjoying

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it because it did so all the box office but that was it for me talked to you soon

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I mean I agree Katherine Herer was in full more of from Schitz Creek mode and I loved it

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: the foe was wasted again another person who thinks they should have cut the monocobaloochie

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_06]: storyline what do you think um I think that the monocobaloochie delores stuff uh what yeah

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't need to be in there I don't think it really added anything um her the soul sucking

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_06]: also could have been way more horrific whenever in their original movie um death for the dead

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_06]: was a horrifying thing that almost happened to the maelands um and it was it that was real

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_06]: stakes for the movie uh and I will say uh just to say it I don't think any character quite

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_06]: lives up to the maelands as like a snack like no they're there's such an excellent um

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_06]: like there's no author there's no the maelands yeah no uh and um to get onto the just and throw

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_06]: of it all I think he was tried they they were shooting for Otho with him and it's fun making him be

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_06]: a fraud I suppose like it's it's a fun idea I just don't think they they really they nailed it

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah um I agree that delia was wonderful but I do think uh and you know I'm I'm trying so hard not

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_06]: to be super cynical about this because this is and for me it's like a pretty inherently cynical

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_06]: project in general like sort of a cash grabby like it it always is it always feels that way a little

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_06]: bit for me like a beloved one hit wonder 80s movie gets a sequel now like why but so delia for me

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_06]: gets a little bit of the jacks baratreatment where she was written to be absurd and cathartoneo

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_06]: harra elevated the material in a way that was like wonderful but now you write delia as cathartoneo

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_06]: harra playing the person and it loses a little bit of the the magic that lets cathartone let's

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_06]: act or do the thing to make it weird on their own you know I'm saying because like all the if you

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_06]: ever watch the pirates of the carabian movies the first one jacks baratreatment obviously a weirdo

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_06]: but he's largely a weirdo because Johnny Depp did the thing to make him such a weirdo and in

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_06]: every subsequent movie it's written to just be like millennial weird jokes instead of you know

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_06]: as like it's sort of the same thing for me with cathartoneo harra but I'm not going to be upset about

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_06]: it because she did it wonderfully like her death was so funny with just the just the very cathartoneo

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_06]: harra like like noise she bakes to die was wonderful and I wonder she was scammed yes exactly

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_06]: like understated in the perfect way right and like you know because she was so the way that

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_06]: he handled lines in the original movie was so funny like if you don't let me do this to the house

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I will go and say it I'll take you with me like the Vedic energy she had into it also

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_06]: something that has bugged me for at least 30 years they made her sideburned things asymmetrical

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_06]: on one side of her face in the dinner scene she got one squiggly sideburn on the other side

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_06]: it's two of them and that has bugged me for the entirety of my life I don't know why they did it on

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_08]: purpose right because it she's she's she's the she's our actual artist so she was sculptor in the

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_08]: first one and now she's doing like installations and this one hurt her a scream art was very fun

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_06]: with the herder on the outside of the house by the way the the whole house had a veil

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I've reached a singing what are the logistics to get that done like I loved it

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_06]: like that was totally something she would do a lot of wonderful yeah thank you very much Lisa for

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_08]: the voice mail very good points all around I think yeah yeah no I agree and then it's a good segue

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_08]: into the characters um I you know keeping on delia but play delia deets played by Katherine O'Hara

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_08]: so it opens with the death of her husband Charles and so we get that she tells that story that

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_08]: that was my favorite delia moment is when she tells the story about her husband's death but she's

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_08]: also nobody's upset about like any death the entire movie no which does take something oh it kind

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_06]: of takes something away from it like death having any gravity but whenever there's such a vibrant

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_06]: afterlife it makes sense but yes I played for comedy that is wonderful yeah he did

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_08]: like that upset you know you're not there like let me like you're getting divorced oh no

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah yeah it was just yeah wonderful I do like the how the fact that they um you know they're

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_08]: like okay we can't use this actor like we could recaster whatever I do think yeah they could have just

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_08]: done you know I think it was Ron who said they could have just put them in the him and the

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_08]: afterlife or something um but just the fact they did the shape the shark fight so there's like no

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_08]: for face need it like well that face was bit no yeah and they used they definitely used his likeness

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_06]: which I don't know how they're with them there right yeah they used it in the stop motion I think

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_06]: on like the the headstone which by the way it took me the second time I saw it but it was a shark

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_06]: in the headstone shaped like a shark pin which is very fun I every single bit of shark like

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Charles's treatment on this was wonderful I think yeah apparently the character's death was

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_08]: inspired by a nightmare that Tim Burton had about his own death I read it yeah it's his like

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_06]: his worst case scenario death is that he survives a plane crash and then gets eaten by a shark

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_08]: very fun I agree that sounds terrible yeah no I mean it sounds like a terrifying but you have to

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_08]: wonder if Tim Burton uh if a lot of things are born out of his dreams you know god of be yeah look

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_06]: at him look at what he's made that that's definitely uh some nightmare fuel uh that he that he

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_08]: rolls with in a very fun way I like him I would still call though Lydia uh play by boy no to

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_06]: write out the main character in the film do you agree I think she is for part of it um I think

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: the movie could have definitely done with more of picking a main character for me um the original

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of the main characters were the maelands and then it sort of transitioned to Lydia and in

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_06]: this one I think it sort of does the same thing but it's Lydia and then it transitions more to Astrid

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: right being sort of the main character yeah so they they kind of follow that trend I think but um

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I would broadly say Lydia one of the if not the main character yeah I mean the movie kind of

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_08]: starts and ends with her in this case yeah and her daughter's living under her shadow as she hears

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_06]: my monger up here that old house somehow wait the ghost house is her mong what are your deeps

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_08]: unfortunately she doesn't look and so we find out that she's doing this ghost house TV show

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_08]: but she's only been doing it 15 years apparently so what do you think out her to start doing

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_08]: this ghost house TV show like was it when the she and her husband separate was was uh Astrid that

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_08]: when they separated or did this lead to them divorcing um if I'm gonna speculate mm-hmm I would say

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_06]: probably hmm it's a good question I would say maybe that's how long ago especially

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_06]: judging on how uh fresh her her departed husband uh Astrid's father looks how young he looks it's

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_06]: probably he probably died right around the time the show started maybe so maybe she just didn't

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_06]: have anything else like that maybe she just wanted to funnel all her weirdness into into this

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_08]: do she thing apparently it got her close to the more I got her close to the deeli again

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah that's true silver lining um and yeah we we find out that her mother is alive

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_08]: she says but this is the first time that it's mentioned that her mother is alive all we know

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_08]: is new before is a deeli as her stepmom so I wonder like are they lining that up for future film

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_06]: they drop a couple weird things in there and like for what they didn't do anything with the

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_06]: matelins at all and they they just sort of like they didn't even have to mention them

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's weird that they did but they said that they had a back door or they they they

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: made it out yeah they found a loophole and that's it that's all they really mentioned of the matelins

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know maybe I wanted a little more but yeah I would have bothered me if they didn't

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_08]: mention them I mean I guess apparently I know Gina Davis was speculating that they just

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_08]: they go stone age and obviously I like building in junior Davis are humans so they did

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_08]: so they don't look like they're 30 or whatever they were in the first movie anymore but

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I think that as easily as you said that they could have found some other reason why

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_08]: like what if they found a way to get them back to life or something I don't know like

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_08]: you're wasting one of the best things about the first movie probably for me it's probably

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_06]: the best thing because they were such a cute couple and like they were so likable as characters

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah they were sort of they were definitely the heart of the movie and this movie in in this

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_08]: way it doesn't really have a heart so yeah and the whole situation with Lydia and so her

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_08]: dead husband's name is Richard played by Santiago Cabrera and she was I don't know there so he's

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_08]: dead but she's not bothered by it because she's like I was done with him before that he ever died

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_08]: and so when they have this family reunion like Astrid it's meaningful to her but Lydia's just

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: like oh hey I don't know just the whole that whole thing with the dead husband felt weird like why

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_08]: introduce this character if he's gonna be so superficial in the story I mean yeah that's that's like

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_06]: eight of the characters in this movie unfortunately but I mean obviously this character is way more

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: important to Astrid than it was to Lydia and I was kind of hoping that they'd go more like

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_06]: they might take because they did a couple of like we're gonna take this moment seriously

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_06]: in the original movie and I was kind of hoping that Lydia couldn't see him because she was the like

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_06]: he was the only person that she ever loved like that and like maybe there's a rule that you can't

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_06]: see your loved ones or something like that like some kind of like real reason why that Lydia

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_06]: can't see this dead person but it's really just because he's working at desk in the afterlife that's

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_08]: seen him yeah and I have an aside this is also in their original movie but like somehow

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_08]: dead animal or the animals nibbling on you follow you to your after the afterlife like

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I have the biggest problem with it with there's a woman in the waiting room after like waiting

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: room in this one who was being eaten by her cats which is something that would happen after she

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_08]: died so why are the cats with her in the afterlife still eating her I'm sorry I'm being nitpicky

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_06]: that's a very good question this also in the first movie there's a shark that's a company

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_06]: a surfer who is still eating him in his death I don't know maybe maybe she killed the cats as she was

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_06]: being yeah you're right you're right they've no reason the cat should be there because yeah cats eat

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_08]: you immediately after you die not in the cold heart they lose you lose this smell and dogs will do it

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_06]: too by the way I think dogs wait longer than cats and cats will start your lips in your nose

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_08]: well it's in the yeah it's when you lose this smell of you and then they're like I'm hungry

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_08]: and I haven't been fed in days but anyway yes this is appropriate conversation for this film

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_08]: sure but yeah so then we get instead of you know instead of the maintenance or

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_08]: or author we get Rory who again I also love Justin Thoreau but

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_08]: beautiful ladies wonderful yeah his doucheiness though actually had me rooting for

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like do I want Lydian be able to use to get married like I definitely don't want

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_08]: her to marry that guy this sounds better be able to use his a better step daddy to ask her

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_06]: then Rory is for sure and honestly like I just hate a fraud and it's he's so clearly a fraud

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_06]: from the beginning and I think this has been done to death the sort of LA like you know fake

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_06]: person who is not into what they're into it's all cynical and I think it's just for me it was like

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't need that in this movie so yeah like the his whole thing was not very fun if someone

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_06]: asked me to be in a Beetlejuice movie I wouldn't care what I'd do in it so that I'm sure that was the

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_06]: case for him oh and back to let me see Lisa's voicemail because I don't think we're gonna need to get

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_06]: into him a lot but I don't think Willem Dafoe was wasted at all I think oh I know okay I thought

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_06]: he was very fun he's obviously sort of the stand-in for Juno you need you need someone who works

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_06]: the main desk obviously this is playing it he's playing it a detective instead of like a case worker

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_06]: right and also they had he's called Wolf Jackson by the way

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: yes I which I thought it was he was fun as a as I like a hard-bitten detective

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I like his wound is his wound is good being an actor is another thing I don't really need anymore

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_06]: like I get it like actors making fun of actors in movies is a thing but not only do they have

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Willem Dafoe in this movie but they have poor man's Willem Dafoe also in the same movie with

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Burn Gorky. Yes who's playing father Damian and they did they had one moment in the movie because

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I was waiting for them to make a joke about it because they look so much alike and there's one

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_06]: scene where Burn Gorkman is standing behind Willem Dafoe and you can see him in the same shot

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_06]: but I really wanted them to play it I don't even know how they do it but like I was like hey it's

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Willem Dafoe I didn't even know he was gonna be in it because I avoided trailers for the most part

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if he was in one and then I was like they've got poor man's Willem Dafoe also

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know his name until I made my notes because he played that he was in Game of Thrones

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah well he was I know him most from Torquit a more a darker more adult spin off to Dr. Who and that's okay

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_08]: So I I always liked him from that now like it's like a point in

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Recognize you know when I see him but he was some of my favorite comedy relief for the movie

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I think the first time we got like a laugh that people shared and my very sparse they populated there

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Was when he was like

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_08]: He says but this was a catheter to her moment too and he does that like whole thing like I guess he's doing an Irish accent

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's like oh, and then you know you depart for the fields of Elisium Bradera

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And Delia looks at him and goes what

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_08]: That was the first time I whole theater laughed together. Yeah very good

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he handled it with the appropriate amount of gravitas I think yeah like that

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_08]: So but yeah the new character that worked the best for me and this is completely on the very perfect casting of it is

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Genoartega as Astrid Deeds would it would you think about this character

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, excellently done. I'm getting a bit of Genoartega fatigue

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_06]: She's just popping up in a lot of things including I've been mainlining only pop music for the past couple years

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_06]: She's also most recently in the Sabrina Carpenter video for taste which was fun

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, and she's that yeah, yeah, and they're doing a fun another fun horror twist death becomes her there's sort of doing that in the video

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_06]: But uh, yeah, she's just kind of playing the same thing in every movie and I think it works well here because it's like

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Sort of tailor made for her yeah, but um, but yeah, I think this character and like she's the closest thing to a heart. I think that the movie has

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was I was along with her for the ride here

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I think they should have probably stuck with her more closely than what they did and not have

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Not have it be

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of a three way

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Lead the character situation

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, I liked her a lot. I wanted I wanted more from her specific. Yeah

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I had one point in during the interviews and stuff

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to know no writer said that they just were waiting for her to be born and ready to make this film that like basically

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Just to justify to sequel and I'm like you know what she's not wrong. That's a good way to put it

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_08]: So her character resent her mother misses her father

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Does not believe in ghosts

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Ghost aren't real only goalable people believe that kind of crap

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is ironic because turns out she also has to give to see them so we have to wonder if she saw I mean she's never before seen

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Like she eventually sees Jeremy her

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_08]: demon boyfriend

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_08]: parents

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Like so she's never seen ghosts like that who have weapons in them or you know the signs of their death

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you think she would you think she would have

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And like I don't know where I got it in my head but I thought you needed to have red

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_06]: To see other ghosts. I thought you would have needed to have read the the book

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_06]: The handbook for the recently deceased

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm sure I'm wrong. I know Otho picked it up in the original and I think the only reason that Lydia could see the ghosts is because

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Ghosts ignore this strange and unusual, but I am in fact strange and unusual or whatever she says

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_06]: So that was all it took for her and Astrid was like all like very much against that she didn't want anything to do with it

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe it was just her own will keeping her away from the ghosts

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, and she had seen them after reading the book. I think right because yeah, she picked it up in

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_06]: The well-built she saw him she got a head injury

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_06]: She got a head injury and she ran into there. Here we go. There we go. She was blurring the lines between

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_08]: After the now I did maybe at one point if she was going to like be dead, you know with them

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean they didn't have any quans with killing beloved characters in this movie for fun so yeah like why not

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean if she had figured out the ghost thing she could have avoided sharing her mom's fate of

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Being in a do she boyfriends

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_08]: But speaking of do she boyfriends of her mom what did you think of Michael Keaton back as Beetlejuice?

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_08]: You said oh no, yeah John was saying that he

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Expected a higher energy performance. I didn't hear about that in the promotion, but

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_08]: How do you think his performance this time the characterization everything compared to the original?

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I have only one complaint about Michael Keaton's Beetlejuice here and that's he didn't quite have the

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: One capacity to really get into the sort of metal way that Beetlejuice talks a lot and like he

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Sort of he can get there sometimes but it kind of comes off a little mumbling because he just doesn't have the boom

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_06]: That he used to have as a younger person and that's a that's a very me person as like a a me thought rather

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm very vocal like I want to hear it his voice, but

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_06]: He didn't quite have it, but everything else like

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_06]: He nailed it still like you can't you can't un-Michael Keaton Michael Keaton and he really I think crushes it

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_06]: His is comedy timing is still excellent

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_06]: You know some of it is done with camera cuts and you know the horror face that he gives but like

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Him going into like what what is it that he said like I'm gonna make you so happy

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Like sliding into that

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_06]: So fun

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_06]: He he just kind of still nails it to me

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_06]: What about you what's your what's your from the from 10,000 feet on Beetlejuice here?

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So I didn't notice the vocal thing but that's a good point

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I did think like oh well the makeup does good job of hiding the aging so that you know this whole idea the ghost

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Starts supposed to age

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Although I did wonder he ends the first movie with the shrunken head so he reverse that somehow, but that's fine

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_08]: It's magical guest yeah

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean so I heard during the promo they were saying that like Beetlejuice is not supposed to mature

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_08]: He's always going to be you know this politically incorrect decade that's his character

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_08]: But I actually I felt bad for him in this film because he really he did his part and he

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Helped them um and he actually showed like kindness and affection and stuff and then you know

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_08]: It's Lydia doesn't keep up her and did the deal which she shouldn't have been that deal

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But no he was definitely less pervy like I was like I'm always a little surprised like how

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Grabby and handsy and but funny he is in the first one use a little bit less in this one

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But you know all of his helping is obviously very self-serving and maybe that's why it took a

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_06]: a Dolores character to

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_06]: give Beetlejuice the

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_06]: The the fuel to be sort of a impromptu hero in this movie

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, what you're saying with the makeup and the original movie they kind of had to dough out his center

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And you can kind of see it like he's wearing he's got like sort of like a tiny fat suit on

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_06]: in the original most prominently when he has like the

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_06]: The

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Brad Brad I'm thinking Brad from it's not that's not in their Adam

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Adam, I always mix it up with him and Barbara because yeah

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I always mix it up with Brad from Rocky Horror Picture Show for some reason because they're very similar dudes

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, they in that scene where they're they've got the same clothes

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_06]: You can kind of see like his like gut padding. They didn't have to add gut padding because he's an older man and that just kind of is where it goes

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So like you he sort of weirdly aged into Beetlejuice

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_06]: For better I like I actually really like his origin story as being like a gross

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Like plague era grave robber is so disgusting like

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Like like that specific a era to to be a grave robber with plague doctors walking around and stuff

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_06]: It's fun

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I definitely added to the gross. I love that so

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_08]: So Tim Burton he is a fan of the movie the filmmaker Mario

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Baba and Mario Baba's first movie in 1960 is called Black Sunday and so I did actually

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I put it in my queue to watch I'm going through this a witchy phase of watching stuff right now for seasonal reasons and

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And I watched like bits of it and they just he just perfectly nails it with his whole

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You may have forgotten me

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I've followed the Lamar to the la peste

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You can calculate in our story the more they're pilates. She's on us velati

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I liked that whole aside telling that story and I was very good this movie does aside's very well and by nature of like it being

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Where are they now story in in a lot of ways? They have to tell these like side stories

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think the beetle juice when was probably my favorite yeah

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And the one thing that I do quite like about the delurist story is that it answers a question from the original

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is where beetle juice shows up with a ring on a severed finger and now we know that's have a finger

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Long to and how that's true. Yeah, he sure does does it he

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I loved her visually Monica Baluchi and this was wonderful

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a soccer for anybody slap on their body back together and stapling it

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I've seen it a couple I've seen it done a couple of times this might be the first one time I've seen it done

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_06]: In live action is that true? Maybe but anyway, it was done very well here. I think she did great as far as that goes

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Aside from her being like I guess we're getting into her now aside from her being wholly unnecessary for this movie

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the parts that like I'm not mad at her for being in it I guess

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And she did very well. Yeah, yeah, I mean so we do have to acknowledge that she's dating Tim Burton

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't I always love to see she yeah

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Dan and I know good on you dog

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_08]: All right

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm shocked. Good but yeah the whole scene with her putting your bet itself back together

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like while I was watching it. I was thinking is this necessary? No

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_08]: But do I want them to stop? No finish this show me the whole thing yeah, yeah, that's one thing like

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll be cynical and like I'll have my critiques or whatever

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_06]: But if I'm watching Monica Baluchi stapler self back together and suck up souls

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not gonna be mad who can be mad at that. It's fun. Yeah

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_08]: But I do have a question about like the fact that so she was going to eat

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice is so while he was alive and so that's why he chopped her up and killed her and then he died from the poison she even

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_08]: So she's mad so she's going after him because she's mad that he killed her that I get but then at some point it's like she's in love with him and

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_08]: jealous of Lydia and

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Why does she suddenly love him because he's a one that got away or the soul maybe it sucked

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That's probably it. I think once you have your heart on sucking someone's soul and you don't get it

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_06]: You're you're never gonna be able to fill that all, you know

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that's it

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And speaking of other evil beings. Yeah, so we mentioned Jeremy Fraser play by author Conti

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_08]: You think he looks uncannily like a younger pen badgeally like I was convinced it must be his brother. It's not

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me I'll be honest with you. I don't have any experience with pen badly

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll think from so he's most known from like gossip girl and from the TV show you where he plays a serial killer

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I was not a gossip girl or a you guy, but I have seen this man around

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Now who are we talking about here? He boyfriend the evil boyfriend Jeremy. Oh, okay. Yeah, he definitely had like

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_06]: A very plain face to me in a way that I thought was like excellent for this sort of

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_06]: You know

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Connecticut is it Connecticut it is Connecticut right

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Is it it looks like Connecticut? Yeah, you know this sort of small town boy. I thought it worked well for him

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah with with having no frame of reference on this man

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought he was great for what he did. Yeah, I don't have any any any

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Way that tie that depend badly, but I'm sure the people who watch those projects are like

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_08]: You nailed it girl like that's exactly right yeah winter river Connecticut is what it is

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay cool, but no I mean it just yeah

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_08]: While I was watching him because I am I did watch all of gossip girl and I especially do enjoy the show you

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_08]: So you just his mannerisms and like the structure of his face looks so much like penobadually, but I thought he did a great job

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I thought he did a really great job, but yeah, I've got no complaints. I could have used more of him honestly

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Like like I said before, I think focusing more on him and

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Astrid would have been a good idea for this movie

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I think

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And what did you think about the glimpse we got of Denny DeVito as a janitor who

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Dines and Delores is

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_06]: They had there was a great character actor that played him in the first movie

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know his name and honestly, that's kind of what you want for a character actor character actor

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But I can't imagine this man's alive anymore and if you're gonna be recasted with anyone do it with Denny DeVito because he was excellent

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he did his trademark like like you he can barf while just standing there thing

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Right

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Like he was just disgusting to look upon and it was great. I liked watching him do his thing before getting the soul sucked

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Great to have him along for the ride

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_08]: For me that was the right amount of Denny DeVito because I am one where his stick can

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I can find a bit wearing

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So there's like we got just the little taste at the beginning and then

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_08]: All sucked up

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, very well done. Obviously he a good but like body horror on this man in general

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_06]: as well exemplified with another timber and vehicle the Batman movie with also with Michael Keaton

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, yeah, he's a friend of Tim Burton there. So of course he's gonna pop in

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And are you on the boats with a janonai about justice for Bob? Poor Bob the

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Stand in quote and quote of Beetlejuice. Yeah, Bob was fun

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_06]: The effect on Bob was kind of annoying because honestly like the 88 version like was like it had a better effect

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_06]: They kind of do the Mario movie gumba thing with them where it's obviously like just a stacked up suit on top of a

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Whole human and the shrunken head just sticks out of the top

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Whereas like it really looked like a shrunken head in the old one but obviously you're not gonna have this running around

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_06]: But there was a lot of fun physical comedy with all the other shrunken headed office workers running out of the the Beetlejuice hole

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And getting into the real world or whatever the little breach that happened. I love I did love Bob

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not gonna be mad at him

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I felt bad

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_06]: If he was the probably saddest death in the whole movie for me

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely yeah, we can also he's the one he's not coming back. He's like double dead

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, no death for the dead but overall you were happy you're sad with the like the cinematography and the VFX

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean it's it's hard

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the original

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Had more how how can you make a 80s movie again? You just can't

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think they did their best with towing the line between practical and digital effects and with the lighting

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I think and I'm not I'm not a camera do should all

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But I can see why people are and I you I don't think you can nail it quite like you like it's just something about the way that the movies were made back then

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think they did they did the best they could and I like the look of the movie for sure

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, I

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Have to shout out that Neil Scanlon was did the creature development for this

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I was last talking about him with the accolite and I'm a big fan of his work so

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Well done again. I want the Beetlejuice baby in my house

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't like dolls but for some reason like I would I would have that Beetlejuice baby just sitting on my the end of my bed after I make my bed

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_06]: It'll be very fun. Oh no, I just think thing

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I think the yeah, your your wife might have something to say about that

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I used to have nightmares about my because I would collect dolls when I was younger and I had nightmares about them coming to life and like

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Only I could see it and you know

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I have a real phobia of actual dolls so like I don't know why this one passes for me but like literally my might

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I have two daughters there are dolls in my house and I don't like them

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know I don't know I don't understand why I won't

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_08]: It was a cool design but yeah, I mean, what do you think about that ending with the the baby?

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_08]: What are we supposed to take away from that?

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't know everything. I don't think so. Yeah, I think it's just supposed to be like

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I think you're supposed to leave laughing

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Monarchally

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it it means anything really

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_06]: If they if they wanted to wrap the movie up in like a coherent way

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I think they would but they just wanted you to leave on a big boom. I think I don't think it really means anything

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I'd like honestly, I would have liked it too. I would have liked it to mean something but they were how are you gonna top

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_06]: The shake shake shakes in aura see and like you're good. How do you how do you end this movie weird?

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know yeah, it didn't I think if it like tied back together

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_08]: The medically better for me then I mean I thought it was cool the the baby effect and that was super creepy but then

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I kind of left me on like uh huh

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they they they they felt like they they're

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_06]: This is a very paint by numbers feel for me where they have to end on a call back and they just don't think it was elegantly done

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. I think that's the my biggest problem with I think these writers in general is that

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_08]: The things are not elegantly done fun stuff happens, but not with a finesse

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly some of the background work was well done, but yeah, it's it's a little member berries for me and it's like you know

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll repeat myself in elegant

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_08]: What did you think about the whole soul-trained stick?

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Soul-trained was fun um I

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_06]: liked I

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Never gonna hate on soul or the funk never gonna be a problem for me

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_06]: So that was fun. I liked that

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_06]: That's where we get to see Delia and Charles together

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the reunite yeah, he spits blood all over which is great. She handles that well like a champ as as well she should

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, so I know complaints there

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I liked and I'd seen that they had the destination board until we got the reference to

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Leishan fields before which of course that anyone who see my name written down that's where my name comes from

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought of it

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_08]: But we it's a call back to also where um, you know with a father had been doing the burn-gorman had like done the whole like

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_08]: The or Leishan fields what yeah, but then it also said like the pearly gates and like the great beyond and you know

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_08]: just all these different Christian names were the different stops and the soul-trained so that was cute

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_08]: There it was yeah, we got we also got a key call back to a certain song

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We said

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_08]: So what did you think about the choir cover of that song?

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_06]: It is the worst moment in the movie and I rolled my eyes and

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna have to deal with for two hour hour and a half or whatever

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_06]: They sort of did a dayo in the beginning of the original in a fun way because you didn't know about it yet

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But this choir and I don't like children singing

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh go ahead and say that

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_06]: You know

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_06]: We don't need no education on some my dreams. I don't want to hear just the children

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the songs find until the children start singing I think

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_06]: For sure, it's it's all a taste thing but I think this was the least amount of taste these filmmakers had

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_06]: In this entire project

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_06]: What what do you think please don't tell me you loved it? No, I'm not gonna say I loved it

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean I have nothing against a children choir. I think musically it was quite lovely. I did

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I did

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Rome my eyes for a second and then I thought about it a bit more and I was like why would they have this at his funeral?

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like you know what maybe they're just thinking like that dinner party was

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Atturning point in our lives and

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: That's been our favorite song as a couple ever since, you know for sure

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It's but I have to write head cannon for like why are we getting this member Barry radio like this?

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you do. You have to make it makes sense

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But if not I mean they did all love that

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_06]: We were horrified and then they were immediately amused and they wanted me to go stewarded it to them

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, it makes sense but yeah this one for me was the the weakest moment in the whole

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, like you said though musically, you know this one is a good solid

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so I mean obviously in the original movie this was like the big iconic performance song this time we got this

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I can take it because it took so long to make it

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's Richard Harris's MacArthur Park

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like maybe I've heard this song before. I wasn't really familiar with it you

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was I'm in the same boat. It like it sounds familiar

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't know it for certain it to the point where I I started like

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Paying close attention to the lyrics as like I'm right this for this movie like is this important

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't do any research on it, but yeah, I'm not familiar with this piece of music did this moment in the film more for you or

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I think about it. I mean I I was I thought it was like I also was paying a lot of attention to the lyrics

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I was also like why did they choose this song and it was kind of funny that they did it but like

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Was this it wasn't the emotional payoff or the comedy moment that dayo was in the original and

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_08]: It was clear that the it this was meant to replace that and I don't think it really good

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like many things in this movie they needed to stand in to mimic the old movie or like you know

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think if this was the imitation I think it's a pale imitation. I think it's got it's a little long in the tooth as well

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_06]: It did not work for me as well a

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Lot of the like the lip syncing in this was not as much fun as it was I think I wish they would have done something different

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I think

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Not done lip syncing again because that was a make-land thing

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Right so it's just it wasn't I don't know I didn't love it. I feel like I'm shooting on it too much, but yeah

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_06]: It was fun the sequence itself was fun

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm not gonna be too mad at that, but yeah, I could have probably done without it and nothing against the piece of music here either

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I wish I knew it

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_06]: But I mean did any of us so dayo a lot

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_06]: You know

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's a good question like did we know it because of that film or I know dayo because of beetle juice

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't know how

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, maybe people a lot older than us might have had a different frame of reference for this

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think everyone you know our age and younger if you know this song

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_06]: It's probably because of beetle juice. Yeah, no that's fair

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I swear there any other higher low points you want to shout out rememberable moments in the new film

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Um

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see you've got a couple here. Maybe I'll chase you a little bit

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_06]: What what are some of yours?

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Well

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_08]: One question that I said that all the influencers get sucked into the phone so now I'm what left wondering like are they all dead?

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess so like I hope so. I mean

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Says of says some podcasts on a podcast

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no, it's me

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_08]: But I mean I just like are is the outside world not gonna be upset when like all these high profile influencers go missing

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, maybe they'll pop back. I definitely don't think they thought about that too hard because it was a fun visual

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if this is probably just another cynical me thing but like anytime you type anything too close to modern technology

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's kind of annoying or cringe where they it's like mint if you have a song and you mentioned Instagram and your song

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it's a little bit like that for me where it's like I maybe it's it's it's another thing about like

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Older movies and like the 80s is like you lose a little bit of timelessness when you talk about apps and

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Cryptocurrency and Tesla's and you know like God there wasn't any of that yeah

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, there were plenty of Tesla's being driven in this movie, but like I mean yeah, but no talk of crypto

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I did not notice the Tesla's I'll be honest

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like um I don't know like it just it it brings it a little bit too much in the now

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Which I think that that's probably what you want to do but I just I don't want to see it

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, I don't want to see it not on here and it's another cynical me thing but

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it um that being said it was fun to see the influence just get sucked up in the

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, what what did happen to them? Maybe I will ponder that until my next viewing

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, I

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_08]: This sequel was made do you think the world is a better place for this sequel being in it?

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_06]: We're going on a scale

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_06]: of one to 100 our

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Retrarily for no reason a hundred being named glad it's here and one being not glad it's here

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm at like a maybe 60

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think this is gonna it's not mandatory viewing like it's not uh

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not two towers to lure the rings

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not you don't need the whole piece if you want to watch be able to just watch beetle juice

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But if you want to keep riding the sole train of beetle juice it's not you know

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not gonna kill you to put this one on um

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Beetle juice has been around forever. It's been in the background

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I've watched I've background watched beetle juice more than I've watched beetle juice for sure

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure beetle juice beetle juice. There's a place for it to also be background watched while I'm cooking or whatever

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_06]: During these boogie season so yeah, I'm not mad at it and it'll make a nice little

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_06]: little streaming whenever it comes out. I'll I'll I'll plot it on and not pay attention

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, what about you? Are you are you happy that they did this finally?

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I think I'm sorry whatever. I'm with you on the 60 like I

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Like the idea of it more than I liked the I mean, I liked it. I liked it. It was fun

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I you know, I'll sure I'll watch it again, but I'm gonna much more quickly watch the original

[01:38:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that there are a lot of good things going for this one and

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I just wish it had maybe cooked a little bit more and yeah, yeah, I'm

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry to say it, but I just seem to not love these writers and the original

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_08]: was so well written and that's what made it for me. It was so

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It's beloved. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but it was just the way it fit together like every all the pieces were just

[01:39:05] [SPEAKER_08]: laid out perfectly so that the entire puzzle created a picture rather than a janky pile of puzzle pieces

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry now I feel like I'm going too far and I don't really mean it that's strong. I mean we both kind of

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_06]: have you know

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Run out this movie a little bit with the negative but like I think we're both of a piece like

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_08]: It is definitely not perfect, but it's fun. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, yeah, I mean what one more do you expect right now

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like no, this isn't I'm not putting it in my top time films of the year

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_08]: But I'm sure I'm glad that I watched it and I think I'll watch it again. I'm sure

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you want a bit of juice? Beetle juice? Beetle juice?

[01:39:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely not, but if they make it a watch it

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, again, I would just hope that it would be like so apparently the main

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_08]: writer from the original film he and Tim Burton tried to work together on

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_08]: The what is it that nightmare before Christmas and they had a falling out during that so I guess that's why

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not working with them anymore, and I find that such a shame

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_06]: It is um they definitely had a little piece of magic that unfortunately I think it's gone

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think you can really get that back

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_06]: But man, that would be if they if they made a third one and those those fellas could re

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Recommit to each other then I would be more excited about it

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_06]: But that being said if Beetle juice Beetle juice Beetle juice happens

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Unfortunately, I'm going to be in the theater with a bucket of popcorn watching it

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, absolutely with a Beetle juice theme to bucket of popcorn

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_06]: That'd be cool. I'd I'd reach into a sandworms mouth and pull out a handful of popcorn

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Why not? Yeah, that's a missed opportunity if they didn't do that. I loved by the way that do

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And started this whole like weird popcorn bucket thing and all the other movies are like oh yeah, oh people will buy this

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I'm surprised they didn't do anything because I went to the mall

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_06]: The other day and there was like Beetle juice

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Collabs and like all the stores. There was like there was one in H&M. There was one in what's that

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_08]: It's they make Beetle juice is a fashion statement though, especially for in like hot topic or something

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't quite make it to a hot topic but in even even in the normie stores

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_06]: They've got Beetle juice Collabs. It's wild

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a it's a moment and I'm glad it was here. I think I'm I'm happy that I watched Beetle juice Beetle juice

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Me too me too

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_08]: All right well, that's that's a good note and then on just to shout out what's going on

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_08]: The rest of the network obviously

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_08]: David and John and Marilyn are deep into rings of power and so you're getting your weekly breakdowns

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_08]: If you're subscribed or you're getting your lower cast and every few episodes are doing an extra feedback episode and

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And of yeah subscribers of course also have access to the show guide

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_08]: So all that rings of power stuff going on also

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_08]: John and I just started up with Agatha all along

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I've managed to mention a third time now go watch the first two episodes if you haven't seen it yet

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Super funny super yes

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Genuinely scary moments in there so if you like Beetle juice. There's a very big chance you will also like Agatha all along

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_08]: John and I also put out an episode where we did our dceu funeral

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Where we're introducing dceu because also we have some and else worlds dc else worlds because we have some dc else world

[01:42:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Projects coming up right now that we're gonna do one shots on like the

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Joker 2

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, they do and the penguin series which starts tomorrow as we're recording and I've heard nothing

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's a pretty good thing about it. So I'm really excited about that one. Are you gonna watch the penguin?

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I am I was very like Luke warm on the Batman with

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Robert Batensen and then I I watched it a second time and I loved it

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Know what happened like it just bit me again, but yeah, I've only heard great things about the this penguin show

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_06]: So I will probably be watching which is weird for me because I watch like

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Three movies a year and I watch like two TV shows a year and this will be one of them for me

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, um

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I've rewatched the Batman and I actually like to even less of the first time but my favorite part of it is the penguin and

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_08]: It's different a different showrunner and different writers and stuff. So I'm just I'm very excited about

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_08]: About his new spin-off series. I think I think I think it's gonna be good

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_06]: He's great by the way Robert Robert Batensen. He gives the best god kid

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Batman a god. I love it so much. There's a there's a scene where he eats

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_06]: In a goh-th way he eats breakfast and it's the most funny shit

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I've ever like I've full-throwed it in the theater laughed at it that and his thumb drive like

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_08]: So good very good. You know my go on go on. No, he's very easy very good kid

[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_08]: But then I didn't I didn't love the directing in that film. Sorry

[01:44:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, I would totally be doing weekly coverage of the penguin if we aren't we're already doing Agatha, but yeah

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Agatha is definitely where my heart is

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_08]: There's by the way for anyone who's like oh, but I don't remember what happened in one division

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Sean and I did a prep recap episode and a two preview of the new characters. So you can find that on the main

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Laura Hound's feed and

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, also in the patreon and supercast feeds there's the last week second breakfast about bagels and

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Coming up soon we've we've recorded it. I just have to finish editing it is our elevancies

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is about prey have you watched that one Brandon? I have not

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, are you predator fam? I love oh wait. I did watch prey. Yes, okay. I am a predator fan and I loved it

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was wonderful. Sorry. I just complete like I was there's like

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Things called prey including two different video game franchises so

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I had to flip through the roll of decks

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Big predator fan and I thought prey was excellent

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, I'm for me prey is my favorite predator movie now

[01:45:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm, I might be with you. I predator two is a special place in my heart

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I had four VHS tapes as a little boy and predator two was one of them

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Predator two how are the duck

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Return of the Jedi are me darkness. I had those so I watched them on her feet

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Love out of the duck. Don't know why don't I don't know why my mother gave me those movies all of them are terrible

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_06]: For a little boy to watch over and over again, but yeah. I also love

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Leah Thompson growing up so you know she's in that movie as well, so

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_08]: That was so plus and then when I got into comics later one of my favorite characters is men thing and you know how the duck comes from a man

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Man thing comics originally

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know that

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_06]: No idea not comically it's not a fan. Yeah, I don't know

[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't twice I know the movie however the duck and I don't know anything about comic book

[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_06]: The duck I like to let you show it up in the MCU, but

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_06]: As of yeah, I don't know anything but but the movie which I'm sure to real fans of it is

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_06]: In fury eating because they can speaking of which Charles shows up in Howard the duck as the weirdest character in the world

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's true

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Come on. Yeah

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so also on other feeds on the Star Wars cannon timeline podcast we're gonna have a part two of cannon

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_08]: folklore of the old republic my discussion with Marilyn more Sith stories and a wear-off story about a

[01:46:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Species is gonna show up in the new skeleton crew show and

[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And then on woolshift dust in the book club where continuing the coverage of adult silo books leading up to the launch of season two in November 15th

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_08]: So dust part two the third book in the series is coming out this week

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And if you are into to spook tober fun

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Also look for the alien Romulus breakdown in this main feed and there's gonna be next week another episode coming out David's putting together

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Community reactions he's been talking to more people

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_08]: And then on the main feed in October

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_08]: We're gonna be covering poltergeist as our spook tober theme and we're gonna cover this sequels in 11 days for

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Supercast and patrons of subscribers and which season continues and woolshift dust with a breakdown of the craft the original

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And the sequel and then for the subscriber feeds for both woolshift dust and lorhounds

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Gonna dive into the real history of witches past and present with a look at how that's been reflected in storytelling

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is a discussion I'm going to have with Marilyn Arpicila who also has

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_08]: taught modern witchcraft and at the college level so

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_08]: You looking forward are you the kind of like watch spook tober movies all month or

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Just Halloween I

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I want to be as of right now. I have a very girly little girl who's afraid of all of the monsters

[01:48:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Gotcha, so I'm gonna try and dip her toes in a little bit and get her into some spooky stuff

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_06]: She's afraid of jackskellington specifically because of an email that he does in fortnight

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_06]: So

[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_06]: She doesn't like when he stretches his his mouth out and does a big scary

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Right she doesn't like that so she doesn't like to see him on TV but last year

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I did get hurt a sit there at least part of that movie especially the songs

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I got her to do that because I told her Sally was a princess. Oh, there you go

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, she loves Prince. She's a girl who came out 11 princesses and there's nothing that anybody can do about it

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_08]: So um she should be herself

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, she is a bright and shiny everything pink kind of kind of person

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I'm gonna try and get a little bit more spooky Halloween stuff in the house this year. Okay

[01:49:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember a friend of mine who's a bit more punk than me and she's like I'm like a skull and you're like a skull with a bow

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_08]: On it

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, maybe she's a bow with a little skull motif on it. I think somewhere in there somewhere in there

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_08]: All right well before we go obviously I'm gonna play some music

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[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Basically make it possible for us to

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[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And then also I'm gonna thank our lawyer

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Law masters, which is our highest tier of subscribers and it's really thanks to these people that we can afford to

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_08]: pay for the software and to

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Compensate the host to some degree and you know just all the things we need to keep this this running so

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[01:51:12] [SPEAKER_08]: All right any last words Brendan

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, no you're uh hopefully in the coming in the future you'll catch me more on lorounds life is wild right now

[01:51:22] [SPEAKER_06]: got two young ones uh but as soon as they let me have some free time

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Should be getting back to you guys some more and uh I'm hopping on with uh with my fellow lorounds every chance I get

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_06]: If you want to find me I'm still on the the the shambling corpse of twitter at a brand of barred

[01:51:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Pretty much anywhere at a brand in the barred I want you to find me you can find me there

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes and you can also find me on twitter and also

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I've been spending a bit more time on threads although I do keep getting sucked into the twitter black hole

[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And a bit of time on on uh blue sky on at Alicia CB on all of those and of course you can find

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Are you gonna start hanging out more in the discord?

[01:52:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm bad at sticking with it, but uh I have moments where I'll stick around and I'll I'll do it

[01:52:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And then I just won't be there be there for a month

[01:52:08] [SPEAKER_06]: But for sure I will I will if you reach out to me

[01:52:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I will for sure talk to you

[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I will be on on the discord. I get no to face on my phone just like the rest of us

[01:52:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, be sure to tag me and I will I will I will discuss stuff you can yell at me for my opinions if you like I don't mind

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll talk you down

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_08]: But you'll find that link in the show notes and also there's a link tree that links to that as well as to all the other podcasts that I mentioned and more

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And definitely especially go check out new podcast on the network never mind the music

[01:52:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Just yeah, much shorter episodes than most of us very well edited fun conversation deep insights both

[01:52:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Musically and on a psychology basis super fun show very excited to pick that one up. I haven't yet

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm on vacation right now so I'm not driving so I'm not listening to as many podcasts at this moment

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_06]: But for sure that's one. I can't wait to pick up and listen to myself. Yeah, I think you're gonna enjoy it

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_08]: All right well that that's it for now. I'll see you for more spooked over goodness soon. Bye

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