David and Nichole explore the most visually stunning episode yet, examining the subtle artistry of the cinematography that rivals Severance's most beautifully crafted moments. The conversation delves into the bittersweet opposites at the show's core—joy and poignancy, cleverness and grief, sci-fi premise and deeply human storytelling—as Carol processes Helen's death and navigates eight days of radical transformation. They discuss the fingerprint motif in the title sequence, debate whether this feels more like a coming-of-age story than traditional sci-fi, and analyze how the joined's decision to give Carol space reveals the show's sophisticated understanding of toxic relationships and boundaries.
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00:01 --> 00:02 [UNKNOWN]: Oh
00:15 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome to the Pluribus Podcasts.
00:18 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, aren't you supposed to be driving this bus today?
00:21 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I think as the driver, I'll say you can go first.
00:25 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll drive after I'll take over.
00:27 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_08]: We're doing this as a collective.
00:30 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, where the L'Orealne's here for guides to, um,
00:33 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Vacating large cities in short order.
00:36 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
00:36 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_08]: I just try to think of a funny hunt but I have one this time.
00:39 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm David.
00:39 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm one of the regular hosts of the Laura Hounds.
00:42 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Nicole.
00:42 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm one of the I was going to do like a hive mind joke, but I blew it.
00:48 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, I was there too.
00:51 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the hosts of the never mind the music podcast we're in Affiliate of the Laura Hounds Network.
00:55 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And we've teamed up to cover season one of
01:03 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, have weekly to weekly episodes.
01:05 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_02]: This episode came out a little bit early because of the American Thanksgiving holiday.
01:10 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So we have to wait an extra few days to resolve our cliffhanger that ended this episode, which I'm kind of annoyed by.
01:18 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_08]: It was a very annoying cliffhanger, wasn't it?
01:23 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they dropped on Tuesday.
01:27 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_08]: It was Wednesday at midnight GMT.
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_08]: That's sort of the way it works.
01:32 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_08]: That said, we are changing things up a little bit today.
01:35 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_08]: Nicole, you did the outline with Nancy's help and you're going to be organizing us.
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02:57 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_08]: And as we said, Nicole, take it away.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_08]: running the show.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I love being in charge, like so much.
03:05 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_08]: I do you.
03:06 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of, I mean, I'm a teacher, so it feels kind of natural to like, like, manufacture situations.
03:14 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that this was part of that.
03:15 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Today on our podcast, we're going to talk about some hot takes from this episode, some big picture meta topics.
03:21 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_02]: take a quick break, then we'll go into some scene by scene analysis, mixing in your feedback along the way.
03:28 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a format that seems to be working really well for us.
03:31 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll finish up with just some updates from the network.
03:34 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But the first thing we have to talk about before we even get into season to episode five is some leftover feedback from episode four.
03:44 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So
03:46 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_08]: Can I just add today is it, thank you, right?
03:50 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm raising my hand, so you can on camera, you can see me raising my hand.
03:54 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Today is a day for left-overs, so I was just noting the appropriateness of the phrase.
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's really good.
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really good.
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great when you ban time.
04:04 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_08]: For those who observe the American holiday Thanksgiving, I hope you had a good holiday day yesterday.
04:11 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, same.
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I love Thanksgiving.
04:14 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just my favorite one.
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_08]: It is also my favorite.
04:16 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
04:17 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So Jacob wrote in with feedback from episode four.
04:21 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: They say I'm a bit late to episode four, but since it wasn't discussed on the podcast, I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction.
04:27 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: The music and the pharmacy scene needs to be discussed.
04:31 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we can get a cameo for Mark, my co-host if nevermind the music, to come and help out.
04:36 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't count the meter and it was very affecting in the scene.
04:40 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to know more about it.
04:41 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a call to Mark.
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We know you're listening, buddy.
04:44 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We know you chime in often.
04:46 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Please can you send us a voice message counting the meter?
04:51 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_02]: In the pharmacy scene, now if you listen to our podcast, you know that I'm actually an expert meter counter.
04:58 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I've discovered.
05:00 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm very, very, very good at it.
05:02 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to leave this one to the professionals and see what co-host Mark has to say.
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have your assignment mark get to work.
05:10 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_08]: And now I also heard from John Lordhounds.
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_08]: And he has started watching the show.
05:18 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_08]: and he's pretty excited by it.
05:20 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_08]: So we may hear from him in the future.
05:22 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to make any promises, but don't be surprised one day if John shows up in that.
05:30 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
05:31 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So we've arrived hot takes on episode five got milk.
05:37 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: The main thing I can think of that stood out for this episode is how beautiful the cinematography was, like how beautifully it was shot.
05:45 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that we geeked out over the very choreographed sprouts truck scene before, but to me, this episode.
05:53 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Was even more impressive because it was just subtle and artful and really mindful and not like that's That truck scene was very flashy to me like we're showing off now right exactly It was and it was indulgent.
06:06 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It was and like that's awesome, but this was more nuanced and artful kind of remind me of that episode in severance when they did like all the flashback What was the name of it with the Dar must stuff?
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_08]: And you have friends.
06:25 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
06:26 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, that was so long ago in the lifespan of a television podcast there that I have flushed that working memory.
06:35 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my gosh.
06:37 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, it was just like, yeah, my cache of memory for that has gone.
06:41 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm sure I would recall it if I, if I know.
06:44 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there are just like some episodes of shows that are so beautifully filmed that it's it's not distracting it just adds to it, but it does make you think like, wow, there's some there's some real artists behind this.
06:57 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not happenstance.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was my biggest hot take.
07:01 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I have other like seen by seeing things that came up for me, but just how beautifully shot this episode wasn't stood out compared to the others for me.
07:09 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_08]: What do you think?
07:10 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_08]: I enjoy that take and I totally agree.
07:13 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_08]: It was a lot more subtle and I don't know that I appreciated it the subtlety of it just till now until you sit or saying that the thing that is really capturing me this season is this bitter sweet kind of opposites set up in the show
07:39 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_08]: visually and plot-wise and character-wise it's giving me so much joy and so much look at that and isn't that so good and just real like just wowed by so many different aspects of it.
07:55 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_08]: But at the same time there is such poignancy,
08:00 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_08]: in such, what do I want to say?
08:03 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_08]: The sci-fi nature of the show is to change this one thing to have this sort of RNA retrovirus thing that turns humanity into the hive mind.
08:15 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_08]: And that,
08:18 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Conversation of what is this hive mind look like and how does it operate and how is carol responding to it?
08:26 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_08]: The the the degree of response to this is is incredible and I'm noticing it in myself how times I'm just like, oh my god Carol, like Jeez, you know, like you're a difficult person, but then there's a the grieving scene with Helen's grave this episode that's just so poignant and so moving
08:47 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_08]: And then other things like Carroll's super clover and the joined or such an interesting collective in terms of needing space from a toxic relationship, right?
09:00 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_08]: There's all this, you know, how do we handle relationships in our day-to-day lives where we feel like I need some separation?
09:09 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_08]: And so there's a whole bunch of like real world stuff baked into this.
09:15 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_08]: show which is at times silly and joyful and funny and visually beautiful.
09:20 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_08]: And so I'm just really noticing in myself that tension, that spread of response and I know a lot of people are are viding with the show in so many different ways.
09:31 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_08]: And so I just really appreciate that.
09:34 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_08]: The simple craft that they put into that, oh, let's make a story about this unhappy part quote unquote unhappy person surrounded by all these happy people and what do we do with that and it's bloomed into this entire Construct of you know of people.
09:51 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_08]: working through what would it mean if we were all one?
09:55 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_08]: What does that do to sexuality?
09:56 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_08]: What does that do to relationships?
09:58 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_08]: What does that do to expectations of politics and identity and child labor and all of this kind of stuff and you're just like whoa.
10:07 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot and you know we keep saying it's a sci-fi show and I know that's how they bill it but it doesn't feel sci-fi to me but
10:18 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel like a sci-fi show to me, but I'm less experienced in that genre, so maybe that has something to do with it, but it's a coming of age story to me in a lot of ways to put like how Carol grows and develops with these new variables.
10:32 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And
10:33 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: We do see her soften, especially once the others, or the joint, leave her the affelone.
10:39 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_02]: She does, kind of, she's like painting and she's like nostalgic and sentimental in some ways, and we're not seeing that.
10:50 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I always keep reminding myself, like, we're eight days out here in this narrative.
10:54 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We're like, that's such a short time, which is not a long time.
10:58 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot has changed in a very short window, and it's a lot to process.
11:03 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think now, in this episode, we're seeing her kind of slow down and work through some stuff because they're leaving her alone.
11:11 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, maybe she needed space to maybe they knew that.
11:15 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they're giving her.
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_08]: That's interesting.
11:18 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we should just keep grinding forward and talk about some meta topics of this episode.
11:25 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing we've never spoken of before that I can't believe is that we've never talked about the title sequence.
11:33 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_08]: We've never talked about it, and you mentioned it the other day when we, you mean our actually got together and actually hung out in person, which was wild totally fun.
11:47 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_08]: I think the band at the second place we went to kind of dampened our mood and plus we were.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_08]: eating and getting tired and so we didn't really.
11:54 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_08]: But it was fun to hang out and look each other in the eye.
11:59 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_08]: It was kind of weird.
12:00 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Lovely Christmas dynamic, everybody.
12:03 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
12:04 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mentioned to you that we never talk about when the words pleuribus come across the screen that it's mimicking a fingerprint.
12:13 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_08]: And I didn't, I didn't notice that at all.
12:17 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_08]: I was just like, oh, that's cute.
12:18 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_08]: And so short, and sometimes the title sequences can be big parts of the show and then other times they're not.
12:27 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_08]: And I didn't really factor it for the show.
12:29 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_08]: So what are you thinking with this fingerprint motif?
12:32 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just think it's just a nod to individuality.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm thinking, are you a skipper?
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you skip the title?
12:39 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: T-Skip intro.
12:41 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_08]: It depends.
12:42 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_08]: I usually when it's a big marquee show.
12:44 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_08]: And they're especially a new show or returning show.
12:49 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_08]: What did they do differently or how is it working?
12:52 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, the obviously game of thrones, Westworld, all these kinds of things.
12:56 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_08]: And then with game of thrones, they would change it.
12:59 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_08]: And with other shows, they wouldn't.
13:01 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_08]: So if all severance, were they doing, they were doing some subtle things and severance?
13:06 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Season two changed.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, some season one.
13:09 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_08]: So there are times when it all depends on the show.
13:11 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_08]: I definitely will watch it at least.
13:16 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_08]: a given show at least once fully to try to pay attention.
13:19 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_08]: And if they're changing it, then I'll get into it.
13:21 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_08]: I really liked how Alien Earth did it this year, where they sort of montaged it a little bit from before and a little bit of what to set up and move forward.
13:30 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_08]: And give you some tones, but that was a unique show.
13:34 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_08]: And that regards.
13:35 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love the title sequence.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll always play it.
13:37 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_02]: My husband's a skipper.
13:38 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And we get into fights, both we skip it or do we play it.
13:42 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_08]: But then one show I don't skip is great British makeup, but that's to take it the music and the vibe and all.
13:49 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the pluralist music is.
13:51 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: beautiful and like haunting in a lovely way and I do like that fingerprint motif.
13:55 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So watch for that next time and maybe in our next episode we can like unpack it a little bit more.
14:00 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's there's not a lot to it but I just think it really sets the tone for this idea of individuality.
14:06 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
14:07 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_08]: And all the little white dots moving around and rippling out.
14:10 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
14:11 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_08]: And bumping and forming.
14:13 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
14:13 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_08]: So there's a lot of that.
14:15 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if it's like a real Easter egg for the future of this show.
14:18 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we haven't talked about fingerprinting.
14:21 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't talked about individual DNA.
14:23 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And a point.
14:24 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm wondering if that's like a nod to that.
14:27 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
14:28 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just want to like put a pin in that idea and I'm wondering if fingerprints like become something bigger.
14:34 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Just like now we're seeing maybe milk cartons have been something big this time.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And do we need to re-watch everything now?
14:40 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we need to go back?
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I love it, right?
14:43 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_08]: When that happens and you're like, oh, man, now I have to go re-contextualize everything.
14:48 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree, thank you, thank you, thank you.
14:51 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know, we'll get to it.
14:53 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And the other meta topics for me
14:58 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_08]: No, I think a lot of it's embedded in the episode and the scene by scene.
15:04 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_08]: I certainly, I can draw a highlighter across the thing around relationships and how we manage and mitigate different relationships in our lives, ones that are
15:20 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_08]: working for us and maybe ones that aren't working so well for us and so we make some choices about distance and connectivity.
15:27 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_08]: There's definitely some stuff, I mean, Carol being an independent person but then calling to have her trash picked up, you know, and this expectation that society still that she's still part of a society and and having expectations that society serve her.
15:50 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_08]: for sure, and yeah, there's some great cinematography stuff that we can talk about when we get to the scene by scene.
15:56 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, no other real super meta facts.
15:59 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: us and let's go for some fun facts about this episode.
16:02 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
16:02 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So Gordon Smith, I'll record directed this episode also episode two grenade.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
16:08 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Also Ariel Levine has one two Emmy Awards for short mockumentary films that promoted better call Saul.
16:15 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So she played a part in manufacturing this episode.
16:19 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
16:19 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm assuming, oh yeah, the writer.
16:21 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_08]: She's the writer.
16:21 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Right there.
16:22 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
16:23 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know you're a big matter call solve fan.
16:26 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not no fans, but just never made a priority.
16:33 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But the voice recording of in the message that Carol receives when she tries to call the joint,
16:40 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: is Patrick Fabian, or Fabian, you tell me.
16:44 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Fabian Fabian, yeah.
16:45 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, and he played Howard Hamlin, which is a major character, I'm better call-sell.
16:49 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So if that voice sounded familiar, you weren't going bonkers.
16:53 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a fairly voice.
16:54 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Watching the episode, I didn't get to finish at the other night, so I had to come back to it.
16:59 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_08]: So I stayed off the discord for a couple of days.
17:01 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_08]: But the moment I heard, did I watch it on Tuesday?
17:04 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know, it's all a blur because of the holidays.
17:06 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_08]: the moment I heard the voice on the recording it is such a distinct voice I hopped on the discord and was like oh my god was that Howard Hamlin and yeah sure enough it was and some folks it posted some stuff I haven't listened to the official podcast yet I think they talk about it there but he is
17:25 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_08]: Jimmy's primary antagonist in Better Call Saul, and it plays a major part of the story that character.
17:38 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_08]: and to hear his voice and to know that they surprised Ray C. Horn, so she hadn't heard the recording until she was on camera when she heard it.
17:50 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_08]: And she had to hold it together during the scene to make sure they didn't crack.
17:55 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, it's just a, it's, it's not a story Easter egg,
18:04 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, MCU kind of thing little Easter eggs that they put in there.
18:07 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine if co-host Mark was actually right with his quirky, fun, tongue-in-cheek email that he sent wondering how this fit into them and still getting immersed?
18:17 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine if like it actually does?
18:19 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_08]: It would never let us forget.
18:21 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, she'd be very proud.
18:22 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, he's probably already proud that we're mentioning him so much in this episode.
18:26 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, Mark, you might be on to something and we're going to go, bud.
18:31 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take a quick break and then come back with a scene-by-scene recap of this episode and incorporating some of your awesome feedback.
18:39 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So stick around.
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18:51 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
18:51 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
18:52 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: okay we're back.
18:55 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So episode five got milk.
18:58 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_02]: The runtime was 46 minutes directed by Gordon Smith, also who directed the episode grenade and written by Ariel Levine who wrote two short films for Better Call Saul.
19:11 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Really great writing on this episode.
19:13 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get into scene one at the hospital.
19:17 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So, at the Albuquerque Hospital's Oshis on a respirator, Carol answers a call from Lakshmi, who yells at her for making everyone cry, including her son, Yikes.
19:28 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_02]: She accuses Carol of causing Oshis hard attack and then hangs up.
19:33 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Carol doesn't have a chance to tell Lakshmi that she may have found a way to fix the situation.
19:38 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Carol then asked for an update on social.
19:40 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She gets a really rude response not the usual friendliness of the joined.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing the joins get kind of annoyed with Carol.
19:46 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They're getting over it right Carol goes to take a nap while she's sleeping Not only the entire hospital is emptied up, but also the entire city Carol picks up the phone and instead of getting a person there's a recording from the joined It's telling her that they just need some space right now
20:04 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So some things I noticed in the scene on my second watch was the scene opens with a man in a hospital bed drinking from a milk carton and makes me wonder how many milk references we missed before.
20:19 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
20:20 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
20:20 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_08]: We definitely saw Zoja drinking milk in episode four when Carol goes to see her and she actually helps her open the milk carton.
20:31 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_08]: that's the first one that I remember, but I don't know what else might have been hidden in the background of previous scenes.
20:37 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I did see on the discord someone posted a screen grab from when they were loading the bodies and like
20:45 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: the second episode, there were little bodies that it was into like a milk type of truck.
20:51 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I checked it out like I'm milked, I'll go on it.
20:54 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I verify that.
20:55 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_08]: That's the Josha in Morocco.
20:56 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, which is in Morocco, that the truck had like some milk, I could, I could not or fee.
21:02 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't, I'm, I'm trusting that has true, but I did not verify that, so maybe who knows if that's like the truth or not, I haven't lost.
21:10 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I wonder if that'll play into as well,
21:13 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_08]: the soiling green question which is arising at the end of this episode which a lot of people are rushing towards as a as a potential I mean what's going on I really feel like it's
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that makes, we'll get there.
21:26 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_08]: We'll get there, we'll get there.
21:28 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just too easy.
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just too easy.
21:30 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_08]: It is, right?
21:31 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_08]: And we know that Vince Gilligan and his crew are Tricksie.
21:36 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_08]: They're very Tricksie filmmakers.
21:38 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_08]: So whatever is the answer, we're going to be surprised and delighted by it.
21:43 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a brand delighted.
21:46 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was really cool in this episode to that they check to make sure she's a sleep before they leave.
21:55 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's the window and it's like super bro with this ponytail and everything like walks up to the window and checks to see
22:05 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I thought was really interesting and I am wondering why if they felt like they had to like sneak away.
22:11 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
22:12 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was just an interesting nuance.
22:15 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I loved that time lapse as well when she's sleeping there.
22:19 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to listen to the official pod.
22:21 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't yet, but I wonder if they talk.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_08]: It's been a busy week with the holiday and such.
22:26 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_02]: have you listened to that yet?
22:28 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_08]: I have not.
22:29 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_08]: We've been, yeah, it's just, yeah, I haven't had a chance to listen to a lot of stuff.
22:33 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_08]: That's just the way it is.
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of like it.
22:36 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I like having my own opinions and then I like to record with you and then listen to the official pod to see.
22:41 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
22:41 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_02]: if I'm right or not.
22:43 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_08]: I would definitely do that with a third party podcast.
22:47 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes I'll do the officials to get those insights, but then other podcasts, other fellow podcasts, I will often not listen to them so that my takes are my takes.
23:00 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_08]: I can authentically say, I picked up on that as well, I didn't get that.
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_08]: And if I do listen to another podcast,
23:07 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_08]: And I pick up something from them.
23:08 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_08]: I do try to credit or reference that.
23:10 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So it maintains some integrity of, and another reason to not be joined, right?
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to pay us.
23:17 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And we don't want to join up just yet.
23:19 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_08]: What happens to hot takes if we're all one?
23:22 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_08]: We won't get these individual hot takes.
23:24 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if we say hot takes and complete unison next time, you just like say our hot takes.
23:28 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like completely the same thing.
23:30 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we're there yet.
23:32 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_08]: we're close.
23:33 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not getting closer.
23:35 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's I'm wondering if they talk about like how they filmed that time lapse if it was just like lighting tricks if they really did, I don't know, I just want to know the details about that.
23:45 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a really good question because they do, they have gone to those extreme links when Carol's on the video camera.
23:52 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_08]: When she's high, they record it all of that.
23:54 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_08]: They do a bunch of that kind of
23:56 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_08]: going to the end degree.
23:58 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_08]: So it feels that time lapse felt very complete.
24:03 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
24:03 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm wondering if they are really method about it, like they happen in other areas.
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_08]: It's like ultra method.
24:09 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
24:09 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go to sleep now.
24:10 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm really going to go to sleep.
24:11 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she was asleep.
24:12 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So she wakes up.
24:14 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's gone.
24:15 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the hospital's empty.
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be okay.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_08]: I can have a note.
24:18 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry.
24:19 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_08]: I need to go back.
24:21 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_08]: Do it.
24:24 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's fundamentally unfair to other television shows when you start off a scene of an episode of that blue sky scape with the curtain thing, the hospital curtain thing in front of it and you don't know what that thing is, right?
24:46 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_08]: These little ripples and these little dots, which is, oh, you know what?
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_08]: That's very plurvis.
24:51 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_08]: Remember so in the you know how the title sequences all those little like dots that curtain thing is all a bunch of little round dots into into this wavy pattern form anyway I'm I'm struck that that scene that that shot.
25:07 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_08]: is so beautiful in so abstract and then dissolve this beautiful abstractness dissolves into this very practical realism of a curtain in a hospital with a you know in front of a guy or behind a guy drinking a milk thing but just visually it's just not fair to other shows because it's so good.
25:28 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_08]: He's very good.
25:29 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_08]: He's adding the bar in this at this extreme level with one shot.
25:35 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_08]: that you, you know, zoom out from and then you realize what this thing is.
25:39 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_08]: It's just not fair to anybody else.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's I felt like that throughout this whole episode.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was so beautiful.
25:45 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_02]: The next part of the scene she goes to hospital.
25:48 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_02]: She leaves the hospital.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me.
25:51 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_02]: and goes to a nearby hotel and climbs up all the stairs to the roof.
25:54 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_08]: I still have more notes.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad you should put them in the outline by.
25:57 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't.
25:57 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't have a chance because I was recording a Robert Redford.
26:00 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_08]: But catch the inside.
26:01 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_08]: This morning.
26:02 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited to get to this next.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
26:05 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
26:05 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll make it quick.
26:06 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
26:06 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_08]: I just wanted to flag the handcuffs are still on.
26:11 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
26:11 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_08]: And to me that was a great visual metaphor.
26:14 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_08]: the restricted thinking, the inability to just just the way that she's constrained in a way.
26:21 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_08]: I love that.
26:23 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_08]: And then, yeah, totally, the subtle signals of like when the nurse leaves the room, the person who's acting as a nurse, the individual who is nursing Zosh's body,
26:35 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_08]: just quietly leaves a room and just doesn't say anything that whole idea of I'm going to be neutral with you in our interactions in our physical space and just leaves giving her no context for anything.
26:47 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_08]: So I just love those settled clues.
26:50 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_08]: The background actors are amazing of the casting who they picked for all of these different everyday people and the visual
27:05 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_08]: fall into line and just do everything that they're doing.
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_08]: They're adding so much to the show.
27:09 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_08]: I just absolutely love the degree to which they've enrolled the the background cast into telling the story.
27:17 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: They talk about that in the official podcast.
27:19 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They had like the choreographer of the background actors on and when they're like extra bonus episodes.
27:26 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_04]: They're right cast.
27:27 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_02]: He was kind of wild and like frenetic in a way that was very intriguing to me as a clinician, but that's a different conversation.
27:33 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And he talked about how they cast all those folks and how like movement so important to the show.
27:41 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of content out there about that if you're really interested to like absorb it.
27:47 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_08]: Delayed response on you calling me out on not using that
27:55 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, oh, I have all the season excuses.
27:58 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm recording other podcasts and traveling for family, but you're right.
28:01 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_08]: You're right.
28:03 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know how you must feel when I like you don't have it.
28:06 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_08]: I have a bunch of notes in my raw note taking up.
28:09 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_08]: I use a different app.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_08]: And I just haven't translated them over.
28:11 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_08]: So I'll all advocate for myself if I still got things to say about it.
28:15 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay, your was a brave space that you could have a case.
28:19 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_08]: That's not the same one.
28:19 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
28:22 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Next scene.
28:23 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Great cinematography.
28:24 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: She goes to this whole court yard in or with ever.
28:27 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And climbs up all the stairs to get to the roof, so she can see the people exiting Albuquerque.
28:33 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But the scene or the shot where she comes out of the staircase, is just like,
28:38 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_02]: is gorgeous.
28:39 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's another one of those gorgeous scenes that you're just like, wow, this is a painting.
28:43 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: This looks like a burrow painting right now.
28:47 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just really wanted to show up to that because I thought it was gorgeous.
28:51 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_08]: So I had some concerns about was this green screen or not?
28:55 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Because the lighting and there's got to be some digital compositing going on.
29:00 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_08]: And I didn't know if they green screened her on that because it's so gorgeous.
29:04 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_08]: I was like crisp.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_08]: It's weird.
29:06 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_08]: It really tripped my my visual sensors out.
29:10 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't understand what's going on totally.
29:12 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It has to be something because how you're not.
29:14 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_02]: To get all cars.
29:15 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't care how much money you have.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:18 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can't get everyone off the road.
29:20 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_08]: So there's definitely some compositing going on.
29:23 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_08]: But then did they actually go up there and catch the light actually on top of that building?
29:27 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
29:28 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_08]: It was like really pretty much whatever they did.
29:30 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_08]: And all these ribbons of highways running through this part of Albuquerque and that.
29:34 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, the high point.
29:35 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_08]: It was just a really interesting, uh, yeah.
29:37 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_08]: I just love them.
29:38 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_08]: They're just, they're all just leaving at the same time.
29:41 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_08]: It's just so, again, movement.
29:44 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_08]: And it's just we're seeing the tail end.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_08]: It's so good.
29:47 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine me in the last one.
29:48 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, guys, we're not, you know, like, how do they decide?
29:52 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so.
29:54 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We close up that scene and then we see our count down so we're at 8 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 28 seconds, seconds are counting up.
30:05 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_02]: no one's ever deep dive.
30:07 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to say, I'm rewatching lost.
30:09 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So the numbers are becoming really important to me.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like are these numbers, like should we be paying attention?
30:16 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
30:16 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
30:17 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they all prime numbers?
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_02]: They're all even numbers?
30:20 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they all always even numbers?
30:22 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just going with that it's it's not important until it is.
30:26 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_08]: Very good.
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_08]: And it is, it'll be important.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This is great.
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That really grounds me because I'm spiraling out.
30:32 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what are the numbers mean?
30:34 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
30:35 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:35 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to finish lost.
30:37 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll only take me another like six years to get through that show.
30:40 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_02]: We have some feedback on this scene specifically from the TCS last week.
30:45 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The episode was about Carol's agency and this week it's about the joint agency, which I think is an interesting idea.
30:52 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_08]: I like that.
30:53 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_08]: I like that, take me too.
30:56 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_08]: That's interesting.
30:56 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_08]: They are, they really are taking their saying, you're doing things that are unhealthy for us.
31:05 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_08]: We are not able to always control our responses to your actions.
31:15 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_08]: and we're having a hard time processing that.
31:17 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_08]: So we're choosing to, like, this is like a total conversation of, like, taking over, yeah, totally.
31:23 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm, we're setting our boundaries, and we're not being rude about it, and we're hurt by it, but we still love you, but for, to be healthy, we need to remove it.
31:33 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Say no to me, they don't say we still love you.
31:37 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I say our feelings about you haven't changed.
31:40 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I think is hilarious.
31:43 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're not saying we still love you, you're great.
31:45 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, we haven't changed how we feel about you.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not describing that feeling, but we need to take some space.
31:51 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: They've realized that they can't change her, but they can change their actions and their behaviors.
31:56 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's super duper healthy and super duper evolved for a hive mind.
32:00 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So I say, way to go.
32:04 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it did give them space to process their collective feelings and also as I mentioned before, it gives Carol some space to just not have this barrage of input coming you know she can just be home and do her Carol things and that's helpful for this grieving process where eight days out, you know, a lot has happened.
32:26 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_08]: The, and she can be a reactive personality.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_08]: This was, came up on another podcast.
32:32 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_08]: I listened to it really quick.
32:33 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_08]: I think it was the Pluribus Diaries.
32:35 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_08]: And they read a tweet from somebody who mentioned that Carol didn't, didn't appear to have a cell phone in the first episode.
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_08]: She didn't like her own.
32:43 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_08]: and they were talking about how that's interesting, you know, is she the kind of person who would spiral into white caro feedback and community stuff?
32:53 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
32:53 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_08]: She send a text message.
32:55 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_08]: She's a person who can't necessarily not have the last word.
33:00 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_08]: She, you know, she calls Manuso's back up and, you know, gives him the Cabron line or when they're having lunch, when she's walking away, she has to turn around and go back and have a last go at everybody.
33:13 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
33:13 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_08]: And whenever that stuff is around her, she's always got something to react off of.
33:18 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_08]: And if like you're saying, they're they're not around.
33:21 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_08]: So there's only her to react to herself.
33:24 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And that must be really challenging and provide her a lot of room for examination and her own behaviors.
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But even in.
33:32 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_02]: In that moment, she manufactures people to react with and to.
33:38 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She starts, you know, this is our next scene, but she, she doesn't sit by herself.
33:43 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: She brings the others in through these recorded messages.
33:46 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
33:46 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
33:47 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
33:47 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But before we get there, sorry.
33:49 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a sloppy driver, but you're fine.
33:52 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_08]: Fuck a lot.
33:52 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Another.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just giving hearing.
33:55 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_08]: I know we also sat on the road here.
33:57 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_08]: It's just you and I, you can, you can be here all over the right slide.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for your support.
34:01 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Another bit of feedback from Eon, maybe.
34:05 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's why we usually prefer to.
34:07 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
34:08 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_02]: This episode brought home to me how layered the medically this show is and how dependent Carol was on quote, society unquote.
34:16 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We have this examination of individualism and society.
34:19 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yet I also see AI themes and social media and how Western society is fractured at the moment.
34:25 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say for sure, and we've touched upon that in previous podcasts that there is this overarching AI theme.
34:32 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I think up until this episode, we're seeing that, yes, as the TCS points out, there is more agency on the joins behalf, and we haven't gotten to the point, or the AI I use hasn't gotten to the point of having agency yet, and it's just a big metaphor for if and when that does happen.
34:52 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
34:53 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
34:54 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_08]: And this idea that she is dependent on society, we're all dependent on society.
35:07 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_08]: We live in society, we require society, we require
35:11 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, the what did we call them during the pandemic and then we totally shifted them.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_08]: But that's the whole other topic.
35:18 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_08]: Essentials workers, right?
35:20 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, the people who do a lot of the thankless invisible jobs.
35:24 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_08]: I was always fascinated when I lived in New York City, all of the invisible jobs that are necessary to keep the city in operation, all the sewage, management, and all the trash, management, electrical, what all this stuff,
35:37 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_08]: to support 7 billion people living in this very small area.
35:41 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_08]: It's really an incredible, when you start to think about it, and then when we, in the show, when we just pull everyone away into the collective joins,
35:55 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_08]: And then Carol can ask for anything she wants, and then when they leave, yeah, just the whole thing, it really exposes the layers of society, house society is structured and it's such a beautifully elegant and simplistic way.
36:08 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And like what we take for granted, we don't realize it goes away that we need these things.
36:15 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_02]: There was like a garbage strike in the next town over and they all summer no one picked up any trash.
36:21 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And they got to the point that school is going to start and they're like we can't start school because there's rodents everywhere.
36:27 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's putting their trash in like the school dumpsters like it's where overrun.
36:30 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how they ended up getting their contract because they just let the trash pile up.
36:38 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_02]: People beg real quick for you to take that stuff away.
36:42 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see that with Carol.
36:44 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_08]: It's it will get to that with hilarious results.
36:47 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
36:48 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:48 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So.
36:50 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_02]: As I was mentioning, you know, Carol can't really sit alone.
36:53 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_02]: She feels the need to engage in audience.
36:55 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's part of her nature.
36:56 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And we can see her kind of code switch into this audience engagement persona in this next scene where she sends a career message out.
37:05 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Carol records message to the end joined.
37:08 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_02]: advising them that she's learned a way that there may be a way to fix quote the situation.
37:14 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_02]: She says that the join basically told her by admission that they can't lie.
37:17 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So she pleans with the other 12 survivors to work together on a solution.
37:22 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_02]: She admits that some may be happy to become joined, but they won't feel that way once it means losing their individuality.
37:29 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of about the scene that I loved, the fact that we see
37:34 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: the like bookstore version of Carol we see her pose switch right back into that like she's got her blazer on she's putting makeup on she's going into work mode now she's going into like politician work mode she even goes so far as to hide her bottles of alcohol from the camera site line she's like setting a stage up you know you mentioned the handcuff before and it's like still on
38:04 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, uh, I won't go into my past, but law enforcement was part of my past.
38:09 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_08]: handcuff keys are everywhere.
38:10 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_08]: So all night at the time, I'm like, Carol, just go get a key.
38:13 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_08]: Like, go to the locker of the officer.
38:15 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, it's probably on his car ring, which we find out later.
38:18 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_08]: But it was just such a beautiful metaphor for her,
38:22 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_08]: thinking she gets locked in and doesn't.
38:24 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_08]: She's so smart in so many ways and then in other ways.
38:27 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_08]: And it's not that everyone's gonna know where to find a handcuff key.
38:32 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm biased in that thing, but it was just such a great visual that it would still honor.
38:38 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And it reminds us that like,
38:40 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_02]: She can never get out of her own way and maybe she's someone that feels like she needs to be punished and that can map back to her family history and her psychological history as well, but that's that's this isn't that kind of podcast.
38:54 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_08]: We're not, we're not psychoanalyzing her.
38:57 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Could it be?
38:57 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:58 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of into it.
38:59 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_02]: She's not my patient.
39:00 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't really say anything.
39:02 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's not even a real person.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's tough to judge.
39:05 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_08]: For me, it was an absolute visual metaphor for her way of thinking.
39:11 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_08]: In a lot of different layered ways.
39:13 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_08]: Like Ian was saying, there's a lot of different layers.
39:15 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_08]: Each of these things.
39:17 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_08]: And there's definitely some,
39:19 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_08]: aspects of her personality that are handcuffing her.
39:23 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Like we all have things that handcuff us, right?
39:25 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_08]: That limit our potential and our possibility because we've made up some idea about who we are who we are not and how we can be in the world.
39:33 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just so funny that she went through all these lanes to put a blazer on and like the concealer on and hide her alcohol bottles.
39:41 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But like if I was one of the other unjoined getting this video, I would have one major question,
39:49 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: How did we get here and she never addresses it if I did very distracting when there was so much Length taken to like be professional.
39:58 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_02]: She's got this thing jangling around.
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It can't be comfortable.
40:00 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_08]: No, I mean I never been handcuffed so because I'm she just and she just carries on with it, but and then then when she's recording the video
40:08 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_08]: She, her, oh my god, her presentation, she just assumes that she's right and that the humanity needs to be saved and enjoy that opinion, right, is one of her lines, you know, to the other, she's just so centered with, oh, my observations are the correct observations.
40:34 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_08]: and y'all need to fall in line with you on this.
40:37 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_02]: She's the main character, you know?
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_08]: She's got main character, energy, yes.
40:40 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't, she's the main character of her own narrative as we all are.
40:44 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And she is the protagonist in her own narrative, which most of us are.
40:48 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not often that you're the bad guy in your story.
40:51 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_08]: And see Horan's delivery of that self-righteousness is so palpable.
40:57 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_08]: It's so good.
40:58 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_08]: I love this character so much.
41:00 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I add like a gender layer to almost everything.
41:04 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't help it, but I wonder if the delivery would be like, how would play if it was a male character or a female character?
41:11 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a lot of, because I'm back with that in the show.
41:17 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_02]: because it matters, which just does.
41:20 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and more on that probably later on.
41:24 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Carol demands, now that 12 copies are made and distributed to the enjoying, she also asked that they provide subtitles and other languages, which I thought was really trusting, like, but they can't lie, I guess.
41:37 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So they can't wrongly subtitle her.
41:40 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I just, I thought that that was a misstep.
41:44 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_08]: was it in this scene or was it later, it must have been part of this scene where she calls in to have the package picked up and doesn't she say something about how biblically unhappy she would be if they don't do this like she's weaponizing her emotional response against them.
42:05 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's in her senses.
42:07 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_08]: Don't do, you know, if you don't do what I want, I'm going to have a epic meltdown in kill 11 million people.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And it'll be your fault that I have this baby.
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
42:16 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_08]: Great.
42:16 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_08]: You'll wonder they want space.
42:18 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They just know a little bit of space right now, guys.
42:22 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, it's manipulative and mean minimally, but also like definitely subclinical for sure, right?
42:33 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That you're responsible for my feelings.
42:35 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And if I have a bad feeling, that's on you.
42:37 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_08]: There's another, another little visual cue that I picked up.
42:44 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_08]: the uh... with the drone scene where you know where it comes to pick up the uh... memory card um... she's standing outside heard front door and next to her is a bush which i think looked like a rose bush and it's just there in the background
43:04 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_08]: And I did a quick internet search, you know, roses in Albuquerque.
43:09 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_08]: And it was like, yeah, the internet said, yes, you couldn't grow roses in Albuquerque, but it's not an easy thing.
43:16 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Half-line soils, temperatures, watering it, and that they put Carol right frame, and then this rose bush left frame, right?
43:28 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_08]: It wasn't, the camera wasn't centered on her.
43:31 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_08]: She was off to the side of the rose bush,
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_08]: How much of that is intentional?
43:35 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know, but I just found it visually striking that not a hot house flower.
43:42 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to go that far with a metaphor, but that there is a particular nature that's going on here that has to be attended to.
43:50 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_08]: And we can talk about this later when we talk about Helen a little bit more in her grieving, which I think is coming into the next scene.
43:59 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_08]: But there was a particular nurturing
44:02 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_08]: Helen and Carol, that is now absent and how that's affecting Carol and how Helen, like in all relationships, how we depend on each other for things that we might not have or not as strong as in terms of behaviors and things.
44:22 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_08]: So.
44:23 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, we're seeing Carol as someone that is stubbornly independent, but she's actually pretty co-dependent and I'm of the mindset that co-dependence is not always an awful thing.
44:35 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that there is definitely unhealthy co-dependence, but.
44:40 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_08]: It's got to turn into a negative term when it's not necessarily a negative thing.
44:46 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a, yeah, like clinically codependence is like clinically negative.
44:50 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But then you think like how your kids are codependent, you're codependent in your family, like in Carol and Helen are dependent on each other.
44:58 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And it seems like Helen was more nurturing.
45:01 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_08]: There are things in my married life that I am so glad to have a partner who is happy to take on certain things.
45:10 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_08]: I love to do vacuuming and make the bed and tidy up the house and my wife loves to do our taxes and I'm happy with that arrangement.
45:17 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm codependent for another human being to do my taxes.
45:20 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_02]: sounds great.
45:21 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like weaponized incompetence towards certain chores.
45:24 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't have to do them.
45:26 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know.
45:27 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
45:29 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
45:29 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope my husband's not listening.
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he listens.
45:32 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The jiggas up.
45:35 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The jiggas.
45:36 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_08]: The the drone shot coming in beautiful, absolutely gorgeous.
45:39 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_08]: And I loved how they teased it by flying by the tree and stuff like that.
45:44 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_08]: So it's good training and then noticing that Carol at the end of the scene chooses not to drink when she before we transition to the next scene She actually pours a drink and then says no, I'm I'm not gonna do that
45:57 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have a, um, a little bit of feedback from this scene from Cincinnati Joe, um, I'm wonder how Carol and the radio guy will get together now that she's driven away the joint.
46:07 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, me too, Cincinnati Joe, get them together.
46:10 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe hunger will finally drive him to talk to them after viewing her recording.
46:15 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He'll ask for a lift to see Carol.
46:18 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be more than a lift, I think he's in the whole other.
46:21 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, Priscilla Mark is not that far, I guess.
46:24 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Question, does she go to him or does he come to her?
46:29 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Is he just going to show up in Albuquerque one day?
46:31 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just going to show up.
46:33 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my bet.
46:35 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm down for that.
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_08]: I agree with you on that.
46:37 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_02]: because I don't think she's, she won't.
46:39 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would take a lot for her to leave her home.
46:42 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_08]: I think that she's really, and they built this beautiful set for her house and everything she's gonna use it.
46:47 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Really gorgeous, actually.
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So,
46:50 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We close, that's a really great feedback, Joe, thanks for writing in.
46:54 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Our next scene, we see Carol using the bed she shared with Helen for the first time.
46:59 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_02]: She's been sleeping on the couch up until this point.
47:02 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_02]: She has a hard time falling asleep.
47:04 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_02]: She grabs Helen's sleep mask, which sits on an Agatha Christie mystery book.
47:09 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We have more lore on that book coming up.
47:11 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't there accidentally.
47:14 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_02]: A pack of wolves attack her garbage bin and wake her up.
47:18 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_02]: she picks up the phone demands all the all the lights we turned back on all of them.
47:23 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
47:24 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything in this show happens in the darkness and it freaks me out, especially towards the end of this episode.
47:30 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So in the morning she cleans up the garbage and calls for a pick-up.
47:34 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't fall there instructions with a maximum weight bag and the drone is able to, isn't able to clear the street lamps against caught ripping up in the garbage bag and spilling its contents out, which was hilarious.
47:47 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's no universe exists, but that wasn't meant to be funny, because it was so, so funny to me.
47:52 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_02]: are we talking about that first or are we going to say well let's go through we have more lore and then we'll get there I know you're eager to talk about the the clothes.
48:01 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_08]: I love the stuff.
48:02 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my god what a great gag.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like keeps going.
48:07 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So Nancy really got a lot of great resources for us for the scene specifically so we're going to bed she pours herself with
48:19 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's what she did.
48:20 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I, you know, I jumped the gun on the feed on my observation that she put to the way.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't realize that.
48:25 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she drank it.
48:27 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Like she knows, right?
48:27 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's, um, this is just like a whiskey that a lot of famous writers in Ireland.
48:35 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Drank in the Nancy gave us a lot.
48:39 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_08]: Wow, that's a deep cut here.
48:40 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I missed it.
48:41 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you can check it out Ball shwisky the maker writers tears unless it was just a very Like obtuse metaphor there, right?
48:50 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So she's Reading she pulls the imask for one top of Agatha Christie's and then they were none The world's best selling mystery novel and the seven what selling book of all time in any language
49:03 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my gosh, I had no idea.
49:06 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I never even read it.
49:08 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you read?
49:09 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_08]: Not read it, but I mean, there are variations of this theme in cinema.
49:18 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Where there are, yeah, where the subjects of the story get bumped off one at a time.
49:31 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_08]: to and then there were none I think because the title was a little problematic.
49:37 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The title was very problematic.
49:38 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not if you say it.
49:40 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the plot involves eight people who arrive in an island and they get a mystery invitation.
49:44 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Now that I'm reading and like, oh, yeah, this is like every mystery has been ever seen, right?
49:48 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_08]: I think Ryan Johnson even did it.
49:50 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_08]: It was one of his knives out.
49:51 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, very recently.
49:53 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
49:54 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_08]: Which why didn't, don't come at me.
49:56 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't care for the movie.
49:57 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't hate it.
49:58 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_08]: I just personally didn't like it.
50:00 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_08]: When I was watching it I was like this it wasn't novel to me because I know this story which this has been done a lot prior in prior years So it wasn't original to me
50:11 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder if it's a big metaphor for this show, right?
50:14 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it feels like it kind of has to be.
50:16 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe in our next episode, we'll still see people starting to get like Jordan, Jordan, we'll see.
50:26 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, ground up and turned into substances and drink.
50:29 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
50:30 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: To raise out.
50:32 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So another thing that I really thought of in this episode and Nancy did to like why are there so many wolves like our wolves in Albuquerque?
50:42 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a naturally occurring thing?
50:44 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But Nancy found out that
50:47 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a biopark, Albuquerque Ubiopark, Mexican wolf conservatory and facility that was developed a few years ago, dedicated to conserving wolves, which is one of America's North America's most endangered mammals.
51:02 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And once the wolves arrived at this biopark, they were limited from all human interaction because they wanted them to be like,
51:10 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: wild wolves so the minute we start like feeding them and like petting them and calling them good boys they turn into dogs right after generations.
51:18 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So
51:20 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I was really intrigued by these wolves and Nancy was as well.
51:24 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was really cool to see this research.
51:25 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_02]: She dug up that there was an Albuquerque biopark and it does them and they kept the wolves away from humans because it did them and just service.
51:34 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_02]: They wanted to help make them as wild as possible.
51:36 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why we're seeing so many wild wolves in Albuquerque.
51:41 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_08]: So I just want to point out the the benefits to collectivism in that we get to access just, you know, Nancy is downloading into our consciousness by a part of relationships.
51:52 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really cool.
51:53 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so that was the first question.
51:54 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, are there a bulls?
51:56 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know, maybe like I'm not.
51:59 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't know, zoologist, I don't know.
52:02 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I had a lot of thoughts and feelings about the wolves.
52:05 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_08]: These are definitely movie wolves.
52:07 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_08]: They are a little bit smaller and a little bit healthier than wild wolves might be.
52:13 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_08]: They're definitely not coyotes.
52:15 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_08]: Coyotes are, they do live in socialize impacts, but they're often solo hunters, and they will often,
52:22 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_08]: work slightly together, but these are definitely a pack and they're definitely Hollywood animals there.
52:29 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, the scene where it was bearing or tease which comes later, I was very like, oh, yeah, this is a set shot kind of thing, but like computer, like a computer, it wasn't like a computer.
52:39 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, that was real.
52:40 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_08]: It was real, but it's a that was a movie animal who was performing on cue.
52:44 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder if they haven't, I am anyway.
52:48 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But that was Coojo.
52:50 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That was him.
52:51 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So other feedback from this scene, Cincinnati Joe writes in some words, interesting that the book on Helen's side table was Agatha Christie's and then they were none.
53:00 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I doubt it's foreshadowing of the enjoying dying off, but maybe they'll eventually be joined one at a time.
53:07 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think it was like, that's the way I kind of read it.
53:10 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
53:10 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_02]: That they'll just be like absorbed.
53:13 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Sean writes and Carol's loss of privilege in this episode was striking to me, uh, the hive mind, which she hates with all her being, are slash were literally at her back and call.
53:23 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And when they're not physically present for her to tell them what she needs them to do, she threatens more death as a way to ensure that they'll do as she says.
53:31 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_02]: She even says that they abandon her.
53:34 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It is really, um,
53:36 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_02]: like a narcissistic reaction, which is interesting.
53:41 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks John for writing in.
53:43 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks to you here from you.
53:44 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Penny and our Joe host, yeah, John.
53:48 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on, a pause, John.
53:50 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's get after it.
53:53 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Penny says the trash drone scene is such a great microversion of the story.
53:58 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_02]: The drone, like the joint, is not prepared to deal with girls
54:06 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:07 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_02]: The visual class classic been skill again reminiscent of the pizza on Walter wife's roof.
54:12 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, remember that.
54:14 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Dane and absurd, simple and surprising.
54:18 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So now is your moment to even.
54:20 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_08]: I love this.
54:21 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_08]: I love how you take.
54:22 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
54:24 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_08]: So it was just so clarifying to the absurdity of the situation.
54:32 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_08]: the I didn't even get the idea of the pizza until you know the pizza on the roof for for those who don't know in breaking bad there's a scene where a pizza gets thrown up on the roof of Walter White House and now people go to that house in real life and throw pizzas on the roof and they feel like they feel very badly about it
54:56 --> 55:02 [SPEAKER_08]: the idea that even the drone can't handle the trash like I just love that.
55:02 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_08]: I had a drone for a little while during the pandemic.
55:05 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_08]: It was like a pandemic hobby.
55:06 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the middle-aged man houses.
55:10 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_02]: The drone house.
55:11 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_08]: And just to let you know, I am podcasting in the basement again.
55:14 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm dad casting again at the in my in-laws house.
55:18 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_01]: around it by drones.
55:21 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_08]: The first drone I had, I was flying it and I absolutely lost it in the trees.
55:28 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_08]: It like went crazy and flew off on its own and I couldn't recover.
55:31 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They do that.
55:31 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
55:33 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a drone.
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And they totally do that.
55:35 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I lost it.
55:37 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_08]: two drones and I was able to recover the one several times.
55:41 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_08]: The particular drone model I had, which was a popular brand, a popular company, the drone itself was way too lightweight and too zippy for, it was just a badly clast drone, but watching the drone fly off and then get caught, I had such a physiological reaction to that, I cannot tell you how
56:05 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_08]: full of joy as the show is doing it, but at the same time, just like having that oh my god, I can't believe what I'm watching right now, my toy, my drone thing is is irreparably captured.
56:18 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, it was a it was a perfect scene and it also made me think of the 30 rock scene where
56:24 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_08]: Liz Lemon fights the plastic bag stuck in a tree is thing where you just you are incapable without a bucket truck or something else like that You're just as an individual incapable of rectifying the situation and then that thing is just going to sit there mocking you forever and ever not letting it go And I wonder too if just like the Walter white pizza that's stuck around I mean that was there Throughout the rest of the shot like we would sometimes if I remember right as a long time ago we'd get shots
56:53 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_02]: of a episodes later, seasons later, and the pizza was still there, I wonder if how long this drone is going to stick around, like this is going to be a running gag, like all through season two season three that drones still going to be there.
57:06 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_08]: When that bag open as it's hanging there, and you know, we get the various angled shots, and then the bag just opens up at this
57:18 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, the others you drops and you're just like, oh dear God, it was so time to perfectly, I don't know how they ripped open the bag.
57:26 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_08]: I definitely want to, I hope they talk about it on the official podcast, but the fact that the close was in there and then that the close becomes a running gag is just brilliant.
57:35 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I happen using the word close to a lot in my pedestrian life now that I've been exposed to the show and people
57:45 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's probably what you're thinking too right now.
57:48 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about what she does with that close in just a second.
57:54 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're back.
58:07 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we've got the close.
58:09 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We need something to do with all this trash, Carol takes it into her own hands or entering a season four that we're calling milk.
58:18 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_02]: When Carol takes her garbage to the public bins and town, she knows she can't get it in to the bin because of those things that they put on so you can't throw out your household trash, right?
58:27 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We like make it so you can't.
58:29 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So she takes that off, she'll have her trash and what she knows.
58:32 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the filled with just empty milk cartons.
58:35 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_02]: the dairy and just weird.
58:38 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just weird.
58:39 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_02]: The dairy is located in town so she drives there to investigate, known as around, but she finds large bags filled with the powdery substance.
58:47 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_02]: She takes one of them home with her and uses her hot tub chemicals to test what they are.
58:54 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: She records another video message letting the others know about her find, although she admits that not knowing what
59:00 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_02]: to not knowing what it means.
59:01 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_02]: She starts to lose her temper.
59:02 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And then re-records the message, which I think is a great sign of growth for Carol, like she recognizes that she's losing it and bows back in.
59:10 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And then a drone picks up her latest message delivery.
59:15 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, like she finds a dumpster full of milk cartons too.
59:19 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The milk cartons are everywhere.
59:23 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's weird.
59:23 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just weird.
59:25 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So she in the factory, she noticed this that there's like a dripping dispenser and uses her finger to examine the drip.
59:34 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_08]: What did you have tasted it?
59:36 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, she just she just sort of runs it with her finger.
59:39 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you have tasted it?
59:40 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would have tasted it too.
59:42 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I would have put a little bit on my my tongue for sure.
59:46 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I love all season long.
59:52 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_08]: They have been, right, this is a character study.
59:54 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_08]: We're learning all about Carol and her responses and reactions to things.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_08]: Kind of like, you know, water over the surface, we can kind of see what boulders are underneath, you know, based on what we're seeing on the top.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_08]: And I love the fact that Carol is a kind of natural detective.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_08]: She thinks through problems and is able to pick up clues and go from one to the other.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_08]: she stops and goes back and goes, that's weird.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_08]: That's the same milk cartons that I saw as O'sha drinking.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_08]: And then the dumpster, and I guess the dumpster scene, I guess there were some breaking bad tie-ins as well.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_08]: I guess Walter White was involved with the dumpster.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Somehow, I don't remember this, but I think one of the discord we're talking about it.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_08]: that she's just starting to put two and two together.
01:00:44 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_08]: I did quickly look up the Duke Duc City is a moniker, a sobracay for Albuquerque.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_08]: They're known as Duke City, and so that gets used quite a lot around things.
01:00:57 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_08]: So that it's a Duke City dairy mix in world sense.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if that's a real business or not, but,
01:01:03 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but she investigates this drink at home and then she records the message to the other unjoined kind of giving them information about what she's found.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_02]: She says that the drink doesn't smell.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It has like a weird thin olive oil texture.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't contain chlorine.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_02]: This information we've gathered from the chlorine test strips and has a neutral pH just like celery.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I laughed so hard when she said celery because she said it was such like a disdain.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, I've heard you live with that word, like, really tickled me.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I kept thinking of the join, just like, just people that eat celery because they're so boring.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I think this goes to, I totally think this goes into the theories about what this is.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_08]: And there's a natural theory direction that a lot of people are going in.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_08]: So,
01:01:52 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_08]: We'll see.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_08]: We'll get there when we get it.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_08]: I guess this is okay.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious.
01:01:56 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we do see a different side of Carol in these recordings.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Like she is measured.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, she's trying to appear, sane and balanced in a very unsain and unbalanced world.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Very similar to what we were seeing on the book tour.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And then again, she does re-record the message when she doesn't get it right the first time, which I thought was appropriate.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Still, still with the handcuffs, I can't tell you what's on.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_08]: And a nude about her, we've seen her do this before.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I think it was episode two where she asked the, asked the joint, is there something you can give me to help me, I'm paraphrasing, stop my emotional outburst so that I don't harm you.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:49 [SPEAKER_08]: She puts down the drink in a scene earlier a scene.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_08]: And make choices about her behavior, but not she's not always successful at holding those, I guess, is the way to say that.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So not quite know I've been saying narcissistic but not quite narcissistic, like a trainer or sister wouldn't have that.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_08]: There would be no awareness of them, right?
01:03:07 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, she is self reflective.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she just needs her emotional support person to help keep her regulated.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: She has like a low-dependent relationship.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_08]: So apparently the support person line was an ad lib that they did with that.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_08]: And I just love that that is true about their relationship between Carol.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_08]: Now, as in all of our relate, the people that when we choose a relationship,
01:03:33 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_08]: be it poly or singular.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_08]: It's funny because we just covered just this morning.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_08]: I was recording with John and Alicia our subscriber bonus episode for our movie club and we were covering Robert Redford and so we were talking about which Cassidy and the Sundance kid.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_08]: And that movie is actually very troubling.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_08]: It's very funny because there's no jealousy between the three of them.
01:03:57 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_08]: It's all quite very involved.
01:03:58 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_08]: It's very funny.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_08]: So, um, yes.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would see it.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_08]: It's good.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:05 [SPEAKER_08]: But we need emotional support people in our lives.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:05 [SPEAKER_08]: Be there.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, Dad.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Are legally bound or just our parents in our social network?
01:04:11 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely agree and I think that Carol's trying to fill that void somehow and I think she did it for a while and now she's filling it.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: She's realizing liquor isn't the way and she's starting to maybe reaching out to the other enjoying through these messages helps kind of give her a sounding board and I think that she's a human that's just doing that.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, lots of great feedback on the scene from our community.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the show has kept from Aaron K. Thanks, Aaron.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of our.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Our hosts in and of a network podcast radio active Ramlers.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_08]: So, shout it to them.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Karen, the show has kept me on my toes every week.
01:04:52 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Carol's investigation was so impressive that inquisitive writer brain is serving her so well in this non-apocalypse for sure.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see that in this episode too, she has like this intrinsic drive towards discovery.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's it's really inspiring and aspirational as some of that doesn't have that.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to research, but I'm not going to wear house
01:05:18 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not a band in city where we're like you cannot wait till sunrise like I couldn't get over that.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll more on that in a minute.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's a character point note too that she is driven.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_08]: She is driven in business.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_08]: She's driven with her writing and she has that feeling of an imperative of fulfilling on her thoughts and her intentions to in some ways very healthy and in in in some other ways it's rather impulsive and unhealthy.
01:05:48 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is like, um, it's like an obsession and a drive that I think to be a successful author, you need that, you need that like, this like you have to find out and you have to find out right now.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, it is really inspiring.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Aaron, a little detective, sorry, that was pretty hard.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I've never even met you, but I'm like, wait, you have to say.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Heran says, I did a little digging onto the 7.1 pH clue, a few things that have pH around that range are whole eggs, cooked spinach and human brain tissue.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No!
01:06:30 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_06]: How do we know?
01:06:33 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if it's all just brains, it's just the brains.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_08]: I remember in, uh, was it a high school sociology class, or was it a college one?
01:06:45 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_08]: Were they talked about some brain disease that got some disease?
01:06:52 --> 01:06:55 [SPEAKER_08]: that got spread because people were eating brains of other people.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh gosh, practice in some part of the world.
01:06:58 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_08]: There's nothing like that.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, I'm never eating brains.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_08]: It was a very clear memory from, I'm probably not going to eat brains.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably not going to eat brains.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm probably not going to eat brains.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably not going to eat brains.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Brains are pretty cool, though.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_02]: They're in like my, yeah, there might be my favorite.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Might be my favorite bodily mass.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_08]: synaptic density, right?
01:07:17 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, the gray matter delicious.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's really violated to nice fatty proteins.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess, like, if you're going to eat anything, a brain would be the thing to eat.
01:07:30 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like protein rich.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's p, you know.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:35 [SPEAKER_08]: I think you just need to cook right.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I just need to prepare for my brain's ground up into a white-out spot.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That sits on my couch next to me for a day.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait until she has that realization.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You're really going out on that aren't you?
01:07:47 --> 01:07:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm looking at them like, when my second watch, I was like, that's brains, right?
01:07:54 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, second watch, like that's like,
01:07:55 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The pottery substance is ground up bone meal a few men's like, and it's just like so cavalier.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_08]: I assume it was sugar, and they originally when she steps on it and grinds her feet, put on it when the crows are in there.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the crows.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_08]: And I didn't think to think that it was, so in the green situation, I thought it was like a sugar thing, like they were just making a sugar drink for themselves.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, maybe it is, maybe it is.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that, like, to say it's brains, it's just too easy, it's just too easy.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they would make it that easy for us.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, and like I said, whatever they do end up revealing, it's going to surprise and delight us.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope it does.
01:08:37 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Narls goes on to say, do the infected need to be constantly re-infecting themselves to perpetuate.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is it like a virus that wears off that they need to keep incubating themselves?
01:08:47 --> 01:08:50 [SPEAKER_08]: Wow, Narls in with a subversive thought.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:51 [SPEAKER_08]: That's really good.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:52 [SPEAKER_08]: I like that.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense, like any virus would need to be maintained.
01:08:56 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_08]: And she doesn't drink it.
01:08:57 --> 01:08:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, she's immune at this point anyway.
01:08:59 --> 01:09:00 [SPEAKER_08]: That's interesting.
01:09:00 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_08]: With the natural state of the human physiology, try to revert back in some way with it.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what's their white blood cell count on the joint?
01:09:09 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, can we get some a panel run?
01:09:13 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_08]: I like it.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably not, but that's interesting.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_08]: I hadn't thought about this.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's cool.
01:09:19 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and then Rocky Zim says the same thing, essentially I wonder if the stuff in the milk is actually for the RNA formula.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, okay.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like re-infecting.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of folks in our community are our vibing on that idea.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I like it.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Got some internet wage or points going on here.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We get some internet, and you know, if I know anything about Rocky, they're usually right, like, sorry.
01:09:43 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really useful.
01:09:43 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, he's just quiet, but he's there.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a big fan of it.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a big fan of it.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Cincinnati Joe adding more value to our community conversation in the midst of the world, the joint would need to hide what they're drinking.
01:09:56 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't need to hide what they're drinking.
01:09:58 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Carol is the only immune person in the entire US.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the many things about the joint that we, as viewers, would want to know, but details about them didn't happen to come up in conversations, which Carol intentionally kept a little bit, except to ask questions.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't ask questions, but anyone by herself.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It may just be that those cartons in this facility were convenient to this parts of Mexico and they use something different elsewhere.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_08]: That was my head, Kenan.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it just was convenient to have this as a plant, right?
01:10:34 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, to grade the cartons are convenient size or delivery.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe they don't need that much, right?
01:10:42 --> 01:10:44 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, they need one or two a day or something like that.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it needs because it's a live virus that might need to be pasteurized.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, it's a good idea.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The pasteurization of a milk plant would do that.
01:10:51 --> 01:10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:10:51 --> 01:10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Can play with a dog food plant, which would grind up bodies and then you move it to the pasteurization
01:10:57 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Wow, you really went for it.
01:10:58 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_02]: You really are in love with me.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you would have to do.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I mean, you haven't thought of these things, but that's what you would have to do.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: To get like a cell stable human brain and protein drink, like you'd have to grind up the bodies or find it.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: get it into like a raw form, then move it to a different planet to liquefine pasteurize.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm going to blame the fact that I'm traveling and we had to prepare dinner.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:25 [SPEAKER_08]: I was cooking yesterday.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_08]: My wife and I were cooking yesterday.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_08]: That my mind wasn't that far down the road.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_08]: But I thought that you went there.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I just just he was like, it's he was very common sense to me.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_08]: I love it.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I have like a darker side.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Go.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:43 [SPEAKER_08]: You're dark side is released on the podcast.
01:11:43 --> 01:11:47 [SPEAKER_08]: It's free to spread your clothes, your cake, your wings or whatever.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:48 [SPEAKER_08]: It's that you have.
01:11:48 --> 01:11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: My like, crow, like some sort of crow theme.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: There's crow's involved.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I was so excited to see crow's big fan.
01:11:57 --> 01:11:58 [SPEAKER_08]: We're learning lots about it.
01:11:58 --> 01:12:02 [SPEAKER_08]: We're not only is it a character study of care, but it's also a character study of Nicole.
01:12:02 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm a little bit witchy, I think it's well-known.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, dopamine seems on the same page, I'm sorry, but they add, uh, the joint you're going to have to fake it as something else in places where drinking milk gag grade is common practice, definitely not something served in little school cartons.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So I had, I was thinking about this comment that they don't, maybe they don't have to, they're only faking it for a carol, right?
01:12:28 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have to fake it for anybody.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They all know that they have to drink this goo, so maybe they just drink it.
01:12:37 --> 01:12:48 [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe elsewhere, this is really interesting, if there's no joint around, there's just trucks or the whole delivery process is completely different, but around Carol.
01:12:48 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_08]: They're being mindful that she might question what they're doing and they're kind of intentionally hiding that's actually really in sight, well, I think that's actually really good.
01:12:57 --> 01:12:58 [SPEAKER_08]: I know about that.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have to and maybe Carol's just like the lowest common denominator and because they need this pasturization process and milk cartons are light safe and yeah exactly easily recyclable and super affordable easy to fill all right.
01:13:13 --> 01:13:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:13:13 --> 01:13:20 [SPEAKER_02]: that they just, that seemed like the move because they had to meet Carol's needs and it also met the needs of the collective.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:21 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm loving all of this.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:24 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm loving all of this hive mind thinking that's going on.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm one of them.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything else on this scene?
01:13:29 --> 01:13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: There will lot happen.
01:13:30 --> 01:13:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We see, there where the scene takes us from.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:39 [SPEAKER_02]: her, the end of the drone scene, through discovery, like testing it at home.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And then recording the message and then sending that message off into the ether again.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Just dig in CSI Carol.
01:13:47 --> 01:13:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
01:13:48 --> 01:13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, it is inspiring.
01:13:49 --> 01:14:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So she has a pretty full day and she hears more noises outside and is horrified to see a pack of wolves digging at Helen's grave, which is heartbreaking.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of lost it in the scene because she she panics and you see that same.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they did the same lens trick that they did in grenade and if the director's the same.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:14 [SPEAKER_02]: the episode it would make sense where they took the lens off and like can't carry it.
01:14:14 --> 01:14:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I miss it.
01:14:16 --> 01:14:19 [SPEAKER_08]: When she's running out of the lens in the cameras.
01:14:19 --> 01:14:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:14:19 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They like detach it.
01:14:21 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They like detach it from the camera and run it.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's that same frenetic energy.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And I now that I know it was the same director of both episodes that make sense too.
01:14:31 --> 01:14:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:33 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So she can't scare them away.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_02]: She goes and gets the police car and that she still has badass and drives it into her backyard with lights blazing and siren screaming
01:14:46 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: and the wolves go away right um she falls asleep in the police car and when she wakes up she's able to unlock the gun from between the seats so when she tries to get the gun at first she cannot unlock it because she doesn't know that there's a button there and you kind of have to know if you know you know there's a button you know you know you know
01:15:04 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a ball.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_08]: So a lock.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:08 [SPEAKER_08]: There's a key lock mechanism that locks it completely.
01:15:08 --> 01:15:10 [SPEAKER_08]: But once it's unlocked.
01:15:10 --> 01:15:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
01:15:10 --> 01:15:11 [SPEAKER_08]: There is a safety.
01:15:11 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes they hide their button into different spots.
01:15:14 --> 01:15:15 [SPEAKER_08]: So it's not so easily found.
01:15:15 --> 01:15:16 [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, there's all that.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:23 [SPEAKER_08]: But she wakes up and in the clear line of day notes for your at home apocalypse diary for prepping.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:26 [SPEAKER_08]: that there's a button somewhere that will unlock that.
01:15:26 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_02]: When the car is on, there's always going to be a button.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_08]: And you can find a hint of keys almost anywhere.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We're carrying it, sorry.
01:15:33 --> 01:15:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Add it to the list.
01:15:35 --> 01:15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So when she wakes up and daylight has cleared her cloudy mind, she looks and she sees, oh, there's a button.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she unlocks it.
01:15:44 --> 01:15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she has this realization, like, oh, maybe, that she looks at the keys and she's called, there's the key, too.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's so simply like, just takes it off.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, bitch.
01:15:56 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I just want to pause in the scenery cap.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And this one moment where she takes off that she, like, literally unburdened herself.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:05 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: With the handcuff, the acting there was so, it was such a, a nuanced moment in her face that I really read into, like, she realizes that she's been making things harder than they need to be.
01:16:18 --> 01:16:21 [SPEAKER_08]: This is the visual metaphor of the handcuff, right?
01:16:21 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_08]: It's so beautiful.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_08]: She has that moment of, which we often, in our own lives, do a work situation, a romantic situation, a life situation, you know, fiddling in your basement, you know, trying to fix something moment, where you have that moment of realization, the penny drops is sometimes people say,
01:16:40 --> 01:16:49 [SPEAKER_08]: And everything just resolves and you have this moment of clarity, I'm just like, uh, I get a like aha moment, you know that aha moment lights up on brain scans.
01:16:49 --> 01:16:54 [SPEAKER_02]: You can see it once I have like, like the moment of realization, you can see like activation.
01:16:55 --> 01:16:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just really cool.
01:16:57 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_08]: Somebody, when they had a, a, a, a, a, a, a conversation and they realized something.
01:17:03 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_08]: their shoulder posture changed their physiology change and they was they suddenly sort of grew momentarily with that.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And that moment is why I teach things the best because you can see it in your crowd.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You can see it in your audience in your class.
01:17:17 --> 01:17:18 [SPEAKER_08]: It's all through, yeah.
01:17:18 --> 01:17:20 [SPEAKER_02]: When it's like, oh, I get it.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I get it now.
01:17:21 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really inspiring.
01:17:21 --> 01:17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So Carol has her aha moment that she's like, why, what am I doing?
01:17:25 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm making things harder.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to slow it down.
01:17:28 --> 01:17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So she drives, she has a great idea.
01:17:31 --> 01:17:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she always create ideas here.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_02]: She drives for a building material site and fills the car with large natural
01:17:39 --> 01:17:41 [SPEAKER_02]: really bottoms out on the way home.
01:17:41 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_08]: She doesn't want to get a truck for anything.
01:17:42 --> 01:17:44 [SPEAKER_08]: She just fills the sky.
01:17:44 --> 01:17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: She can just get a new car.
01:17:45 --> 01:17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: A couple cars are very durable.
01:17:46 --> 01:17:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They are.
01:17:47 --> 01:17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: They are.
01:17:48 --> 01:17:51 [SPEAKER_02]: She drives home and covers Helen's grave with the tiles.
01:17:53 --> 01:17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Hard work.
01:17:53 --> 01:17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: She paints one of the stones as graves stone for Helen.
01:17:58 --> 01:17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a lovely scene.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, I really think someone's going to have to fact check me here.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: There's this band that I love, um, crowbin.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I can never say their name right, but it's K for this is a great podcasting.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to spell it for you, but it's, uh, K age you, K age are you a n g b i n.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: There are great musical trio from Houston, Texas.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I've loved their music for so long.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really unique and kind of like jammy and really low-fi.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:18:31 --> 01:18:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And like uplifting, and it just makes me feel like clear-headed.
01:18:35 --> 01:18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And the...
01:18:37 --> 01:18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: This was the song that was playing when she was getting the pavers and it's like this kind of morning has broken feeling to it, but every place I looked I really weren't wild on this outline trying to find like Like a track list from each episode and this song wasn't on there.
01:18:58 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a couple that were but this wasn't I know it's them it has to be
01:19:03 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Got it.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:11 [SPEAKER_08]: There is a great site, I forget the name of, I was just certain internet search it, but there is a site that tracks quite extensively.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:18 [SPEAKER_08]: And you can add songs if they're missing to the, you can kind of Wikipedia, but I think it's called what song or something like that.
01:19:18 --> 01:19:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I tried.
01:19:19 --> 01:19:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, because I wanted to know the actual type of, yeah, um, didn't, did you shizam it?
01:19:25 --> 01:19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess I could shizam it.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
01:19:29 --> 01:19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I could just do that.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_08]: a couple of years, you know, I'm a man.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, like, Carol, I don't know.
01:19:41 --> 01:19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I like deep dive and not go to the very obvious thing to do.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, she could have just gotten the key off the key ring.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I could have just shesamed it.
01:19:52 --> 01:19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That's funny.
01:19:52 --> 01:19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll have to, I guess.
01:19:54 --> 01:19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So check out them as a band.
01:19:56 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And also, if you want more witty and insightful music content like this, listen to never mind the music.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Crumbin Crumbin.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I can never know how to say it.
01:20:11 --> 01:20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll know it.
01:20:12 --> 01:20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll love it.
01:20:12 --> 01:20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You should listen.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:17 [SPEAKER_08]: So quickly there was some conversation.
01:20:17 --> 01:20:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Can or is this a is this the time in the outline where we can talk about the wolves a little bit more or yes.
01:20:21 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll allow it.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:23 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:23 [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:25 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm raising my hand teacher teacher.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Love that.
01:20:27 --> 01:20:35 [SPEAKER_08]: The there was some conversation a little bit
01:20:35 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_08]: wolves and zoonotic transmission, et cetera, et cetera, and with the virus of affect the wolves.
01:20:43 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_08]: And I did a little reading and thinking about this, and so there's two issues.
01:20:54 --> 01:20:59 [SPEAKER_08]: One there is the way that the joint spread, I think this is a retro virus.
01:20:59 --> 01:21:01 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know why we didn't think of that at the very beginning.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:02 [SPEAKER_08]: This has to be a retro virus.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:06 [SPEAKER_08]: That's what you do with an RNA, as you put into a retro virus, and that's how it gets moved.
01:21:07 --> 01:21:11 [SPEAKER_08]: Even though I got stuck in the lysenic, like genic cycle, or whatever it was called.
01:21:13 --> 01:21:19 [SPEAKER_08]: So the dispersal agent, we saw the jets doing a high atmosphere drop.
01:21:19 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_08]: So the question there is is that UV radiation would be highly effective to break up or cause them molecule to not be stable.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:30 [SPEAKER_08]: So that's a question mark.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:32 [SPEAKER_08]: But we can see it for the show.
01:21:33 --> 01:21:37 [SPEAKER_08]: And then what other species are going to be affected by the RNA.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:38 [SPEAKER_08]: And
01:21:39 --> 01:21:52 [SPEAKER_08]: it has to do with how distant other, so if it's designed for human physiology, then you're looking phylogenetically, how far other species are, how distant we are from other species.
01:21:53 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_08]: And as you move out, you have very close proximity, and then you have further and further out, just in the class, Bammalia.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:09 [SPEAKER_08]: And the wolves, which are keen at eye and cats, feel at eye, are very actually close to human beings.
01:22:09 --> 01:22:12 [SPEAKER_08]: They're not that far distant from us, which is why we love them so much.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:17 [SPEAKER_08]: And so yes, there is a potential for them to be susceptible.
01:22:17 --> 01:22:22 [SPEAKER_08]: In more modern circumstances, yeah, we're concerned about zoonotic transmission with bats.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_08]: That's always been a big concern and continues to be, and would it affect whales and dolphins with the molecule work in the water?
01:22:32 --> 01:22:34 [SPEAKER_08]: Those are all really great, great questions.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:37 [SPEAKER_08]: And again, we're just, you know, conceits for the show.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:22:38 --> 01:22:40 [SPEAKER_08]: I went towards from the sci-fi story line.
01:22:40 --> 01:22:43 [SPEAKER_08]: And would the wolves have, would they join a collective?
01:22:44 --> 01:22:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Would they be an
01:22:47 --> 01:22:54 [SPEAKER_08]: just like really fascinating questions like what if like let's get high on the floor of our college dorm room and like talk about do what it is.
01:22:54 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like in our parent's basement.
01:22:56 --> 01:22:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean love basement.
01:22:58 --> 01:22:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So, well, you think when we saw the wolves, like the first time there was only a couple wolves, and then they came back with more, so maybe, I don't think the wolves can be joined up with the humans, because it just gets too crowded, right?
01:23:13 --> 01:23:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Then they're like, the monkeys in there too, like in whales and every insect, every ant and like, right, yeah, that would be, yeah.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, was it a consciousness, right?
01:23:23 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_08]: I guess the other question is, is why the wolves were trying to dig up Hellen's grave because with it's only been eight days, so maybe these, maybe there's not enough natural prey immediately around Albuquerque, so deer, deer, and elk, and other large boven's like that.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:51 [SPEAKER_08]: our primary food for wolves, they'll eat rabbits and other things like that, which is as a secondary.
01:23:51 --> 01:23:57 [SPEAKER_08]: So I, the thought in my head was like, well, there's not a lot of prey availability for them.
01:23:58 --> 01:24:04 [SPEAKER_08]: So they're smelling the decaying corpse, and that's what's attracting them to us.
01:24:04 --> 01:24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe like,
01:24:06 --> 01:24:18 [SPEAKER_02]: if they are these wolves from the sanctuary, maybe they weren't allowed to hunt, so they don't have those skills, but it's getting very noodly so we can move along.
01:24:18 --> 01:24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but I'm wondering if those questions are going to be addressed, I don't think that they can even scratch at that.
01:24:23 --> 01:24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It just gets to be too much, but maybe it does.
01:24:27 --> 01:24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we'll find resolution.
01:24:33 --> 01:24:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just we had some feedback really speaks to your ideas.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Does this mean that the animals are afflicted to this is from the right time?
01:24:41 --> 01:24:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Did they know food was buried here?
01:24:43 --> 01:24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: They seem to zero in on the food and they came with more friends the second time.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So are we high-minded?
01:24:48 --> 01:24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like because we're all thinking the same things.
01:24:53 --> 01:25:01 [SPEAKER_08]: There's there's there's it's very interesting with
01:25:01 --> 01:25:14 [SPEAKER_08]: And there's some degree of, I don't want to say it's not mirror neuron, but it's kind of like synaptic overlays like they're hardware is pretty much the same.
01:25:15 --> 01:25:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Their ability to learn and form new synaptic responses is not as maybe plastic, they have it, all mammals have it, all mammals can learn.
01:25:26 --> 01:25:30 [SPEAKER_08]: to what degree and how much can the brain support that architecture?
01:25:31 --> 01:25:41 [SPEAKER_08]: So a lot of pack animal hunting behavior is because they share very similar architecture and processing of the world.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:46 [SPEAKER_08]: And then they lay her on top of, they learn the behavior on top of that.
01:25:47 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Like our decision-making is rooted a lot in our personality and their decision-making is rooted a lot in instinct.
01:25:52 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So they share the same instinct and the same motivational drives, this biological drive.
01:25:59 --> 01:26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: We're layering a lot more into our decision-making as enjoying humans.
01:26:03 --> 01:26:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Correct.
01:26:04 --> 01:26:10 [SPEAKER_08]: The with filid eye with cats, the instinct to chase and pounce and that kind of stuff.
01:26:10 --> 01:26:11 [SPEAKER_08]: That's instinct.
01:26:11 --> 01:26:12 [SPEAKER_08]: That's biological instinct.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:17 [SPEAKER_08]: The knowledge of how to dispatch their prey is actually learned behavior.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:27 [SPEAKER_08]: The mother actually has to teach the young how to dispatch the prey in various ways, neck bite, you know, mouth, all these kinds of things.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:30 [SPEAKER_08]: So they have to be taught that.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:34 [SPEAKER_08]: Whereas just that they see something run and they chase that's instinctual.
01:26:34 --> 01:26:39 [SPEAKER_08]: So there's an interesting nature of nurture question with pack animals.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
01:26:40 --> 01:26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you talking about epigenetic influences?
01:26:44 --> 01:26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just inspired by this podcast.
01:26:48 --> 01:26:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't able to tell you.
01:26:50 --> 01:26:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't wait for my semester re-over so I can just like deep dive into this more.
01:26:54 --> 01:27:01 [SPEAKER_08]: See, we need to grow our podcasting empire so you can just become a full-time psychology, psychiatry, podcaster, right?
01:27:01 --> 01:27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, more like a sort.
01:27:02 --> 01:27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, psychology.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Psychiatry is like the men doctors.
01:27:05 --> 01:27:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a doctor.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:08 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I always get those two kind of ways.
01:27:09 --> 01:27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just kidding.
01:27:10 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
01:27:10 --> 01:27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people do.
01:27:11 --> 01:27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:27:11 --> 01:27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Moving on.
01:27:12 --> 01:27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of freshmen say I want to be a psychiatrist like you don't.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what you want.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:27:19 --> 01:27:22 [SPEAKER_02]: NARS says, I'm actually seeing some symmetry now.
01:27:22 --> 01:27:28 [SPEAKER_02]: The joins are coming for the dead, just as the coyotes are coming to devour Helen's grave.
01:27:30 --> 01:27:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm in.
01:27:31 --> 01:27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And then our very own hand to the pod Nancy chimed in with the voicemail.
01:27:36 --> 01:27:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you play it for us?
01:27:38 --> 01:27:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Here we go.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, hi, Laura Hounds.
01:27:40 --> 01:27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hand of the pod, Nancy M. We didn't get any voicemails this time, but I'm still willing to put my sing-song voice out there.
01:27:48 --> 01:27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So here are my thoughts about Carol and her grief.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Carol will never truly get over losing Helen.
01:27:55 --> 01:27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the way she lost her is not something you can ever truly come to terms with.
01:28:00 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think in this episode she made some significant strides.
01:28:04 --> 01:28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one was when she finally decided not to sleep on the couch, but to sleep in their bed.
01:28:09 --> 01:28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: She tosses and turns and finally reaches out for a piece of Helen that being her sleep mask, perhaps it still holds Helen's scent.
01:28:18 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: More significantly, the effort she had to put in to protect Helen's remains were epic.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she hand-painted the headstone with such loving care.
01:28:26 --> 01:28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a close-up of her face when she's done.
01:28:29 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You can see that in that moment, she has made a step towards acceptance.
01:28:34 --> 01:28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Ray C. Horn's acting in the scene is just incredible.
01:28:36 --> 01:28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I truly can't wait for episode six.
01:28:43 --> 01:28:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Very moving.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_08]: whole process of her covering the grave.
01:28:49 --> 01:28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think I'm going to go back to that song that was playing over it because it was such like a hopeful light, like clean energy type of song.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And I it really set set the tone for me in a lovely way to did feel like a brother fresh air in the scene for Carol's character to find some closure.
01:29:09 --> 01:29:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I hopefully kind of move on in a way that she
01:29:14 --> 01:29:37 [SPEAKER_08]: The thinking too about the, the paved stone part of it and the hard work of it besides just being beautifully shot, especially with the sunset, the knats, you know, and all that stuff, I just incredible visual composition, grieving is hard work, yeah, right, he can be it can be hard work and she puts in the work, yeah, to be there to be.
01:29:38 --> 01:29:47 [SPEAKER_08]: with and process her feelings physically like she's embody the the work and exercising her grief through the hard labor.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like the catharsis of that.
01:29:49 --> 01:29:50 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, exactly.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:51 [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
01:29:51 --> 01:29:56 [SPEAKER_08]: And we're not that nod that nod of like, yeah, you're going.
01:29:57 --> 01:29:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:29:57 --> 01:29:59 [SPEAKER_08]: And I can't.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:02 [SPEAKER_08]: I can't not ignore that fact anymore.
01:30:03 --> 01:30:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:30:03 --> 01:30:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's day eight.
01:30:05 --> 01:30:06 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, eight days ago.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So we close up that scene.
01:30:10 --> 01:30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We enter our final scene of this episode where we cover a lot of mileage in this last scene.
01:30:17 --> 01:30:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Back inside the next day, Carol accidentally knocks over a bag of what I'm calling a brain powder.
01:30:24 --> 01:30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: She notices a barcode and then like the investigative skills are so strong.
01:30:29 --> 01:30:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And also it's nighttime now like we're not this is when I'd be taking my Malatone and going to bed, but she's like you know what I'm going to Sprouts I'm taking this bag I'm going to Sprouts and we're gonna see if it scans which is pretty smart I don't think I would have thought of that right and then she it doesn't scan but she compares the bag to a similar manufacturer bag of dogs would it even has the same like pull tab on it like it's the same bag
01:30:55 --> 01:31:00 [SPEAKER_08]: That, to me, was like, whoa, that is some serious detective leafy.
01:31:00 --> 01:31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's smart, right?
01:31:01 --> 01:31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:31:02 --> 01:31:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, she finds an address of where that bag of dog food's manufactured.
01:31:06 --> 01:31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: She drives to that factory.
01:31:08 --> 01:31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It must be two in the morning at this point.
01:31:10 --> 01:31:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's dark.
01:31:11 --> 01:31:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No one's around.
01:31:12 --> 01:31:14 [SPEAKER_02]: She's at this creepy dog food factory.
01:31:15 --> 01:31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: The power hasn't been restored, so she's got this like horror movie flashlight in her hand.
01:31:21 --> 01:31:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Somehow, even though the lights don't work, the freezer still works, which I had a hard time with.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Because I think about that.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It would all be negative, but maybe maybe you just cold because no one opened it.
01:31:33 --> 01:31:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:31:34 --> 01:31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe the hive figured out how to.
01:31:37 --> 01:31:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Do right turn off the lights to save the electric break.
01:31:39 --> 01:31:41 [SPEAKER_02]: What am I.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let it go.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it was good horror vibes.
01:31:44 --> 01:31:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like prop the door open.
01:31:47 --> 01:31:48 [SPEAKER_02]: You can I was terrified.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The soul scene under a blanket scared.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The room of the freezer spilled with shelves of produce.
01:31:54 --> 01:31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I would be hoarding the produce for sure.
01:31:56 --> 01:32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Car whole peaks on wonder onto the top on one shelf.
01:32:01 --> 01:32:10 [SPEAKER_02]: She stares for a second, like she doesn't recognize what is it first and then let's out like a loud gas and then that's like credits.
01:32:10 --> 01:32:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I credits.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:32:14 --> 01:32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I, again, I was terrified.
01:32:16 --> 01:32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand this drive that she has like wait until daylight like even to go to sprouts and be like, you know what, I just like moved a bunch of pavers all day and like buried my dead wife again, like,
01:32:26 --> 01:32:38 [SPEAKER_02]: and like painted this beautiful painting, I'm gonna take a shower, take a net, take go to sleep, and tomorrow really investigate this bag situation, but she keeps grinding through.
01:32:38 --> 01:32:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Driving, driven.
01:32:39 --> 01:32:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Or there's like a sense of urgency that I guess I maybe would have in that environment it's hard to say.
01:32:46 --> 01:32:50 [SPEAKER_08]: And she's determined to save humanity, right?
01:32:50 --> 01:32:53 [SPEAKER_08]: This idea of that, for her,
01:32:55 --> 01:33:10 [SPEAKER_08]: the joining is a kind of unjustice, and as she says to the others in her recording until they come for you, right?
01:33:10 --> 01:33:15 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, then at that very moment before you're joined and you
01:33:16 --> 01:33:22 [SPEAKER_08]: have that sense of loss or regret that your individuality is going to be subsumed.
01:33:24 --> 01:33:37 [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's the crux of it for her is the injustice of the lack of consent.
01:33:37 --> 01:33:37 [SPEAKER_08]: Right?
01:33:37 --> 01:33:40 [SPEAKER_08]: I think you're you're doing this without a consent.
01:33:40 --> 01:33:51 [SPEAKER_08]: It might be fine, but it's not fine because you were, uh, you didn't ask me find it by like a imperative, but yeah, you know, yeah, she has the sense of urgency.
01:33:51 --> 01:33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's what I'm not tracking.
01:33:54 --> 01:34:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is a lot of her acting is really cognitive.
01:34:00 --> 01:34:06 [SPEAKER_02]: and her body language is relatively laid back almost in some way out.
01:34:07 --> 01:34:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I forget that, oh yes, this is urgent because she does seem kind of subdued or in shock or something.
01:34:13 --> 01:34:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's just something I notice.
01:34:16 --> 01:34:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:34:17 --> 01:34:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And then if it is bodies, I'll say again, like how gross is it that she's just been like It's like been spilling all over her living room and it's just like it's like on the table She's eating and she's like rather early like it.
01:34:32 --> 01:34:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So close for using it.
01:34:33 --> 01:34:37 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right It's not yeah, and it's just smart.
01:34:37 --> 01:34:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Close we know
01:34:39 --> 01:34:48 [SPEAKER_08]: And we have to remember even though the joined are a collective conscious physiologically, they're still inhabiting human bodies.
01:34:49 --> 01:34:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Those human bodies still have circadian rhythms and circulation and blood sugar and right all these physiology needs exactly.
01:34:59 --> 01:35:00 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to nourish the flourish.
01:35:00 --> 01:35:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we say in our house.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, check that out.
01:35:03 --> 01:35:03 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a good one.
01:35:04 --> 01:35:05 [SPEAKER_08]: That one before.
01:35:05 --> 01:35:07 [SPEAKER_02]: in Irish with baby bones.
01:35:07 --> 01:35:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so, more feedback.
01:35:12 --> 01:35:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
01:35:13 --> 01:35:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It can't be.
01:35:14 --> 01:35:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's too easy.
01:35:14 --> 01:35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
01:35:15 --> 01:35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's too easy.
01:35:16 --> 01:35:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Cincinnati Joe says, I want Cincinnati Joe practical as ever.
01:35:20 --> 01:35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder how Carol finds all these random businesses in the dark.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:25 [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't have GPS.
01:35:25 --> 01:35:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess she could get lucky if they're located on well-known streets, so she's still
01:35:32 --> 01:35:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she just knows her way around an Albuquerque, or she have like a, they still sell Rand McNally map books at the store.
01:35:39 --> 01:35:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I guess I'd be down at the staples getting the, you know, the Rand McNally, you know, or my Thomas guide or whatever.
01:35:46 --> 01:35:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So do you ever like explain stuff to your kid about how things were before Google and you sound like you know it sounds ridiculous.
01:35:53 --> 01:36:21 [SPEAKER_08]: So last year at Christmas we're at this rental house that had a record player and some records and my daughter and her cousin were, you know, doing stuff in that I said, oh girls I said look there's a record player check this out Put the record on I spun it up and I went to put the needle on and not only was the armature broken But the needle head was broken and they just looked at me physically as I'm like wait
01:36:21 --> 01:36:28 [SPEAKER_08]: The beauty of the sound and the music, you know, like I'm building them up for this moment and then they just kind of look at me and just like
01:36:28 --> 01:36:29 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, bye.
01:36:29 --> 01:36:31 [SPEAKER_08]: And they just like walked away.
01:36:31 --> 01:36:33 [SPEAKER_06]: It is like maps at the moment.
01:36:33 --> 01:36:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I lost the ability to enroll them into the beauty of the phonograph, and I felt very old in that moment.
01:36:41 --> 01:36:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's explaining like a map book to my kid and her friend the other day, like 4GPS, how did we find her way around?
01:36:47 --> 01:36:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, well, we would print out instructions from MapQuest and... Oh, my God.
01:36:51 --> 01:36:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and then, like, before that, like, you would just get a book and you'd have, like, you have your passenger, like, sit with the book of maps, you know?
01:36:59 --> 01:37:05 [SPEAKER_08]: Or if you were going to visit somebody, they would, they would recite instructions to you.
01:37:05 --> 01:37:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, now you're on Highway 5 and then you get off at exit 32 with the left and the right and the left.
01:37:11 --> 01:37:13 [SPEAKER_02]: The fifth oak tree, like, you turned down the lane.
01:37:13 --> 01:37:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a back in that.
01:37:15 --> 01:37:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, who did you ask before a Google?
01:37:36 --> 01:37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gross.
01:37:38 --> 01:37:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my god.
01:37:39 --> 01:37:41 [SPEAKER_08]: A little bone word.
01:37:41 --> 01:37:42 [SPEAKER_02]: A little.
01:37:42 --> 01:37:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the tochi.
01:37:43 --> 01:37:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.
01:37:45 --> 01:37:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see this.
01:37:45 --> 01:37:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that too easy?
01:37:46 --> 01:37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that too easy?
01:37:47 --> 01:37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:37:47 --> 01:37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
01:37:48 --> 01:37:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, right then, what did Carol see?
01:37:50 --> 01:37:52 [SPEAKER_02]: All the veggies didn't surprise me.
01:37:52 --> 01:37:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought maybe it was a meal replacement drink, but she looked really freaked out.
01:37:56 --> 01:37:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they drinking babies?
01:37:58 --> 01:38:00 [SPEAKER_08]: No, is this where you got the babies thing?
01:38:00 --> 01:38:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, every human body's die, and they say that they can't kill people.
01:38:06 --> 01:38:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Correct.
01:38:07 --> 01:38:12 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, they can't kill things, but they're not going to let it's also not efficient.
01:38:12 --> 01:38:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It isn't efficient to bury all that protein in the ground, to bury all those new tunes in the ground, just isn't.
01:38:17 --> 01:38:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's gross, but that's the truth of it.
01:38:21 --> 01:38:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if all those bodies, she took a minute to recognize it.
01:38:25 --> 01:38:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a body, you'd know even before you'd be like a watermelon cantaloupe.
01:38:31 --> 01:38:39 [SPEAKER_02]: a bunch of bodies, you know, it would be really clear, um, but she would like paused, like she didn't recognize it right away.
01:38:39 --> 01:38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm in the brain theory now.
01:38:41 --> 01:38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:38:41 --> 01:38:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's more about brains.
01:38:43 --> 01:38:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Do you want to get poss and 20s feedback here?
01:38:47 --> 01:38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's get like to add.
01:38:49 --> 01:38:50 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, cool.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Poss and 20 regarding the end scene and what Carol saw.
01:38:53 --> 01:38:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It has to be humans, right?
01:38:55 --> 01:38:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, hive mind, collective don't kill.
01:38:57 --> 01:38:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is what I'm saying.
01:38:58 --> 01:39:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But they sure can eat already dead humans, preserving them and along with other stuff to make some sort of liquid.
01:39:05 --> 01:39:09 [SPEAKER_08]: So to tap off of your thing, and I think this was in the discord as well,
01:39:10 --> 01:39:15 [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't remember who it was, so I apologize to you who my stealing your thought.
01:39:16 --> 01:39:19 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm collectively taking your thought.
01:39:19 --> 01:39:20 [SPEAKER_08]: Was it Zosa?
01:39:21 --> 01:39:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw that, too.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:23 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:23 [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
01:39:24 --> 01:39:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Was it Zosa?
01:39:25 --> 01:39:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:39:26 --> 01:39:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But I still think.
01:39:27 --> 01:39:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Credit to whoever you are.
01:39:28 --> 01:39:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That thought.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:33 [SPEAKER_08]: Because that would have given her pause.
01:39:34 --> 01:39:35 [SPEAKER_08]: Like, okay, dead body got it.
01:39:35 --> 01:39:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, wait.
01:39:36 --> 01:39:38 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm recognizing this dead body.
01:39:38 --> 01:39:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, maybe I still think like
01:39:41 --> 01:39:46 [SPEAKER_02]: the dead body reaction would be really in your face like it'd be really up like right out there.
01:39:46 --> 01:39:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.
01:39:46 --> 01:39:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have to wait and see.
01:39:47 --> 01:39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's just the magic of the show, right?
01:39:50 --> 01:39:51 [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
01:39:51 --> 01:39:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You just have to wait.
01:39:52 --> 01:40:02 [SPEAKER_08]: So as soon as the episode, I had to break up my watching the episode and as soon as the episode ended in that, I jumped on there and did a certain green post.
01:40:02 --> 01:40:03 [SPEAKER_08]: And then I scrolled back.
01:40:04 --> 01:40:05 [SPEAKER_08]: And they're like, there are 20 other side of the show.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like we are.
01:40:07 --> 01:40:09 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I think like it can't
01:40:10 --> 01:40:11 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it's too easy.
01:40:11 --> 01:40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's too on the nose.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:20 [SPEAKER_08]: Now Vince Gilligan for episodes one and two totally was is credit as saying.
01:40:20 --> 01:40:27 [SPEAKER_08]: The invasion of the pod invasion of body snatchers was totally was an invasion of body snatchers.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:29 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm pretty sure it was a night and a little dead.
01:40:29 --> 01:40:29 [SPEAKER_08]: It was something.
01:40:30 --> 01:40:32 [SPEAKER_08]: He was a body snatcher.
01:40:32 --> 01:40:33 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:40:33 --> 01:40:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:40:36 --> 01:40:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He was totally, you know,
01:40:39 --> 01:40:49 [SPEAKER_08]: So I think Green is a Charlton Heston movie in the 60s, where yeah, it's a futuristic sighty, and they just big spoilers you guys don't forget me.
01:40:49 --> 01:40:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if you haven't seen it like, yeah.
01:40:51 --> 01:40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, I think like, I know that.
01:40:53 --> 01:40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I know.
01:40:54 --> 01:40:55 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right, it's people.
01:40:55 --> 01:40:56 [SPEAKER_08]: So you can use people.
01:40:57 --> 01:40:59 [SPEAKER_08]: And a great sci-fi movie.
01:40:59 --> 01:41:05 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if I is going to cover or not, I should ask her on every single sci-fi film ever as a great film.
01:41:05 --> 01:41:10 [SPEAKER_08]: I know she's trying not to cover a lot of zombie stuff because not really sci-fi, it's more horror.
01:41:10 --> 01:41:12 [SPEAKER_08]: But anyway, that's her podcast.
01:41:14 --> 01:41:34 [SPEAKER_08]: Just a idea that we need to recycle nutrients because at a certain level can we grow enough, can we process enough, and if you have to be clinical about it or to be neutral about it, but since we're doing neutral pH, there's a lot of nutrients in the human body.
01:41:35 --> 01:41:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we're wasting them just bearing the ones of pavers in our backyard.
01:41:41 --> 01:41:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because we're changing them up.
01:41:43 --> 01:41:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Drinking them in the strawberry milk cart.
01:41:45 --> 01:41:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And imagine strawberry milk, when we 12 years old?
01:41:49 --> 01:41:50 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:41:50 --> 01:41:54 [SPEAKER_08]: Which I think was, that's the funny thing about the, I was going to say about the, the milk cart and gag.
01:41:55 --> 01:41:57 [SPEAKER_08]: As a, as a site gag, it's brilliant.
01:41:57 --> 01:41:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because it's innocuous.
01:41:59 --> 01:42:05 [SPEAKER_08]: You don't notice it, and it's the, it is the cartons that we give to kids at school.
01:42:05 --> 01:42:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're telling them to like eat a ham a cheeseburger for breakfast and for lunch at 1030 in the morning.
01:42:10 --> 01:42:13 [SPEAKER_02]: The right chocolate milk and like pretending that's normal.
01:42:14 --> 01:42:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Have you ever seen this video where they actually show the granulated sugar by volume?
01:42:19 --> 01:42:19 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:42:20 --> 01:42:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, don't.
01:42:21 --> 01:42:22 [SPEAKER_08]: How much is in the milk?
01:42:22 --> 01:42:26 [SPEAKER_08]: How much is actually in the milk and just for the small cards milk, it's terrifying.
01:42:26 --> 01:42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really like milk, but something I do, I'll take back everything I said about strawberry milk, because I can go, I think that that might still be delicious.
01:42:32 --> 01:42:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:42:33 --> 01:42:37 [SPEAKER_08]: Boy, I beat so sweet, I can't even think of chasing it.
01:42:37 --> 01:42:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm all down on the oatmeal, I mean, I'm all in on the oat milk action.
01:42:41 --> 01:42:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm into the oat milk.
01:42:42 --> 01:42:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not good for the environment, but it's good for our gut biome.
01:42:46 --> 01:42:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Is that how I thought?
01:42:47 --> 01:42:59 [SPEAKER_08]: All men milk is more extractive in terms of how much water per individual almond or as oh milk I felt because we just grow oats right like that I don't know man.
01:42:59 --> 01:43:11 [SPEAKER_08]: I think we're we're really getting away from the plot here Let's move it a little I think save out for your second breakfast All right We've talked about it before anyway
01:43:11 --> 01:43:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So that brings to that's the end.
01:43:14 --> 01:43:19 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the end of our episode and the end of our coverage of Got Melok episode five.
01:43:19 --> 01:43:22 [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody be ready to applause for Nicole
01:43:23 --> 01:43:24 [SPEAKER_08]: taking a full episode.
01:43:24 --> 01:43:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of loved it.
01:43:25 --> 01:43:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm in good.
01:43:27 --> 01:43:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it helps you out.
01:43:28 --> 01:43:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun for me and I get to create a control.
01:43:31 --> 01:43:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm all in.
01:43:33 --> 01:43:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But you get to do the outro because I, you've got to add it.
01:43:38 --> 01:43:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Got it.
01:43:39 --> 01:43:43 [SPEAKER_08]: We'll just a quick roundup on the network news.
01:43:43 --> 01:43:47 [SPEAKER_08]: John and Alicia and sometimes Mark.
01:43:47 --> 01:43:47 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not sure.
01:43:48 --> 01:43:50 [SPEAKER_08]: John was away for a little bit and he's back.
01:43:50 --> 01:43:52 [SPEAKER_08]: and they're covering it, welcome to Dairy.
01:43:52 --> 01:44:05 [SPEAKER_08]: I think they're going to do just a one shot on Talamaska, which is an Anne Rice interview with the vampire world things, and I don't know how well that went down, but anyway, the other thing that just happened,
01:44:05 --> 01:44:06 [SPEAKER_08]: is that yes.
01:44:07 --> 01:44:08 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, you might be interested in this.
01:44:08 --> 01:44:11 [SPEAKER_08]: Stranger things coverage is going to happen.
01:44:11 --> 01:44:14 [SPEAKER_08]: John and Alicia, Alicia's watching it.
01:44:14 --> 01:44:21 [SPEAKER_08]: They're going to do, they're not doing episode about episode, they're going to do one episode per batch of shows.
01:44:21 --> 01:44:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I've already watched them all.
01:44:23 --> 01:44:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They dropped yesterday, I already watched them all.
01:44:25 --> 01:44:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Right, so they're breaking them up though, right?
01:44:28 --> 01:44:30 [SPEAKER_08]: There's going to be some of those some released.
01:44:31 --> 01:44:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the four episodes came out yesterday before Thanksgiving.
01:44:36 --> 01:44:37 [SPEAKER_08]: So I think they're going to do one podcast on that.
01:44:38 --> 01:44:40 [SPEAKER_08]: They're going to do one podcast on the second batch.
01:44:40 --> 01:44:45 [SPEAKER_08]: And then they're going to do one podcast for the extended episode that could release on New Year.
01:44:45 --> 01:44:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you need a third voice in that conversation, you guys let me know because they would be happy to have you.
01:44:52 --> 01:44:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
01:44:53 --> 01:44:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
01:44:54 --> 01:44:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I almost went to the 20 times today in our conversation, but I really stopped myself.
01:44:57 --> 01:44:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, very good.
01:44:59 --> 01:45:00 [SPEAKER_08]: We've been doing our top 10.
01:45:01 --> 01:45:02 [SPEAKER_08]: Another big thing is coming up for.
01:45:03 --> 01:45:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Laura Hounds is our end of year top 10 TV round up for subscribers.
01:45:07 --> 01:45:10 [SPEAKER_08]: You get to fill out a survey and we do a bunch of data analytics.
01:45:11 --> 01:45:13 [SPEAKER_08]: We have a way to aggregate and score all of that stuff.
01:45:14 --> 01:45:23 [SPEAKER_08]: And then we'll post that in blog post and we record a special second breakfast episode, which is normally exclusive, but we make it available to everybody.
01:45:23 --> 01:45:29 [SPEAKER_08]: We release that on Christmas Day and that's John Alicia and I doing our countdown top 10 TV shows.
01:45:29 --> 01:45:40 [SPEAKER_08]: And then on Boxing Day, we release another podcast where I will have recorded top three with all of our co-hosts and affiliates and other friendly podcast allied podcasts.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:42 [SPEAKER_08]: And that'll come out on the 25th and the 26th.
01:45:42 --> 01:45:48 [SPEAKER_08]: So if you're a subscriber, you should have got a message today with instructions and link to the survey.
01:45:48 --> 01:45:59 [SPEAKER_08]: If you're not a subscriber and you want to participate, you can just go into the Discord and there's a top 10 channel there and people are already posting their lists and talking
01:45:59 --> 01:46:01 [SPEAKER_08]: season of our year of television.
01:46:02 --> 01:46:04 [SPEAKER_08]: So people are having those conversations.
01:46:04 --> 01:46:06 [SPEAKER_08]: So that is a lot of fun.
01:46:07 --> 01:46:14 [SPEAKER_08]: Brian 83 and I, who's one of our subscribers as well, did some special coverage of the Ken Burns, the American Revolution series on PBS?
01:46:15 --> 01:46:18 [SPEAKER_08]: We did like a reaction podcast, not an analysis podcast.
01:46:18 --> 01:46:19 [SPEAKER_08]: And then so that was a lot of fun.
01:46:19 --> 01:46:23 [SPEAKER_08]: And he and Marilyn Arpiquila and I will be recording.
01:46:23 --> 01:46:27 [SPEAKER_08]: I think week after next season recap on that.
01:46:27 --> 01:46:30 [SPEAKER_08]: Marilyn is a historian and a research librarian.
01:46:30 --> 01:46:32 [SPEAKER_08]: And it understands a lot of stuff about mythology and whatnot.
01:46:32 --> 01:46:33 [SPEAKER_08]: So we're going to do that.
01:46:33 --> 01:46:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Our one shot in Frederick or Badlands is out.
01:46:39 --> 01:46:42 [SPEAKER_08]: And that is what we have for that.
01:46:42 --> 01:46:43 [SPEAKER_08]: Never mind the music.
01:46:44 --> 01:46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm glad you're coming up.
01:46:47 --> 01:46:49 [SPEAKER_06]: You're all to holiday playlists.
01:46:49 --> 01:46:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we meet Mark and I came up with our ultimate holiday playlists and that episode's out now.
01:46:55 --> 01:46:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You can check that out.
01:46:56 --> 01:47:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We also have you coming on for a side track to talk about like generational music theorems and how music changes over generation.
01:47:02 --> 01:47:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We've been teasing that for a while.
01:47:04 --> 01:47:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm also ad, elsewhere on the network, Alicia, Marilyn and I are getting together to cover wicked for good.
01:47:14 --> 01:47:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, do a one shot on that.
01:47:16 --> 01:47:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So we we discussed the first wicked and we're recording this week on that.
01:47:21 --> 01:47:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So that should be all pretty soon.
01:47:23 --> 01:47:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That'll be on the middle of you as well.
01:47:24 --> 01:47:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just have to like see it.
01:47:26 --> 01:47:30 [SPEAKER_02]: and then find a time to talk about it, but it's all happening, right?
01:47:30 --> 01:47:31 [SPEAKER_04]: It's life.
01:47:32 --> 01:47:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Also I'm seeing, and our notes that properly Howard is on a break and they'll come back soon, and Radioactive Ramblers is covering Fallout when it comes back this December.
01:47:43 --> 01:47:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been catching up on Fallout and I'm like very, very into it.
01:47:47 --> 01:47:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think the
01:47:53 --> 01:47:55 [SPEAKER_02]: by exposing me to all these ideas.
01:47:55 --> 01:47:57 [SPEAKER_08]: Is it a healthier and unhealthy growth?
01:47:57 --> 01:47:57 [SPEAKER_08]: That's the question.
01:47:58 --> 01:48:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I am like neglecting everything else in my life to watch, I mean, I watch stranger things for like six hours yesterday.
01:48:06 --> 01:48:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Which don't I make?
01:48:07 --> 01:48:13 [SPEAKER_08]: No, John and I had earlier on in our podcast and career before we had really Matt Alicia.
01:48:13 --> 01:48:21 [SPEAKER_08]: And we were putting out like 12 to 15, 16 episodes a month of podcasting.
01:48:21 --> 01:48:27 [SPEAKER_08]: our spouses respectively had to have an intervention and sit down and say we need to.
01:48:27 --> 01:48:30 [SPEAKER_08]: And so we actually put in some artificial caps on us ourselves and stuff.
01:48:30 --> 01:48:34 [SPEAKER_08]: And then we met Alicia and then everything balanced out with the three of us.
01:48:34 --> 01:48:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh good, we can actually work for, it works for me because my husband's watching follow through watch the first season loved it and he's like, you have to watch this show.
01:48:45 --> 01:48:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm like, I think I want to watch it.
01:48:47 --> 01:48:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's supportive.
01:48:49 --> 01:48:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like don't you have to go podcast and then we can watch more shows that I like, okay?
01:48:55 --> 01:48:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys sick of love is blind, I guess.
01:48:58 --> 01:49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like really eager for change.
01:49:00 --> 01:49:05 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, we just need to go the network so we can all quit our day jobs and put it all the time.
01:49:05 --> 01:49:08 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, I'm going to jump to the shout outs, or we could.
01:49:09 --> 01:49:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.
01:49:09 --> 01:49:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is great.
01:49:18 --> 01:49:34 [SPEAKER_08]: Discord server boosters, Aaron Kay, Tyler the Thriller, a dude, 71, Athena, Agilell, the Stu, Nancy M, goes to prediction, radioactive Richard, and Agion, thank you all so much for donating to the expansion of the discord.
01:49:34 --> 01:49:39 [SPEAKER_08]: It's by your donations, you actually make it a little bit more of a functional space.
01:49:40 --> 01:49:45 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm that's really where our primary community gathers, on an online way.
01:49:46 --> 01:49:48 [SPEAKER_08]: And there's always great conversations going on.
01:49:48 --> 01:49:50 [SPEAKER_08]: It's a really supportive and fun community.
01:49:51 --> 01:49:56 [SPEAKER_08]: Lots of great takes, great moderation team, and channels for all the things we're covering and more.
01:49:56 --> 01:49:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Like we have a very expansive thing.
01:49:58 --> 01:50:01 [SPEAKER_08]: So there's lots of little niche pockets and quarters.
01:50:01 --> 01:50:07 [SPEAKER_08]: So thank you everyone for your discord server boosts to make that a better spot to our lore masters.
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01:51:14 --> 01:51:16 [SPEAKER_08]: Your contributions, we literally could not do it without you.
01:51:17 --> 01:51:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Nicole, you're on for episode six.
01:51:21 --> 01:51:24 [SPEAKER_08]: You're gonna run the, run point on the outline?
01:51:24 --> 01:51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would love to.
01:51:26 --> 01:51:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, come on, since I asked him, I can't wait.
01:51:27 --> 01:51:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't help but you're gonna... All right, I hope we find out what's in that bag, the bone bag.
01:51:32 --> 01:51:33 [SPEAKER_08]: I think.
01:51:33 --> 01:51:35 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to say anything.
01:51:35 --> 01:51:50 [SPEAKER_08]: I saw a screen grab of what's coming up in Episode 6 and I was quite surprised to see because I said something to you in person the other day that I didn't think something was going to occur and I saw a screen grab that was completely contrary to what I said.
01:51:50 --> 01:51:51 [SPEAKER_08]: So I was completely full of shit.
01:51:51 --> 01:51:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like a, no, I'm, no, I'm a no spoiler.
01:51:55 --> 01:51:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want, I want to go in completely blankly.
01:51:57 --> 01:52:00 [SPEAKER_08]: You know what it was on the Apple interface.
01:52:00 --> 01:52:03 [SPEAKER_08]: It changed as a placeholder for the next episode.
01:52:03 --> 01:52:05 [SPEAKER_08]: And the image that they had for the placeholder.
01:52:05 --> 01:52:06 [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, wait, what?
01:52:06 --> 01:52:07 [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, there's no.
01:52:07 --> 01:52:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I am going to put a blindfold on and just live through my life like that until the next episode drops.
01:52:15 --> 01:52:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Your purity is an inspiration to yourself.
01:52:17 --> 01:52:19 [SPEAKER_02]: People say that about me all the time.
01:52:20 --> 01:52:22 [SPEAKER_08]: We'll catch you next week.
01:52:23 --> 01:52:23 [SPEAKER_02]: See you later.
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