David, Nichole, and John wrap up season one by exploring Carol and Manusos as parallel characters—one testing the plurbs' capacity for love, the other willing to kill to save. They debate whether Carol was seduced or strategic during her 40-day temptation, discuss Manusos as ham radio expert unlocking hive mysteries through frequency scanning, and theorize about season two solutions including signal jamming and Faraday cages. The conversation concludes with the philosophical question: are the plurbs evil or simply amoral like cordyceps, driven by biological imperative rather than malice—not harm reduction but harm avoidance.
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00:01 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Plurvis podcast where the lore hounds your guides to the end of the world as we know it.
00:20 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David, or should I say, we are David.
00:23 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_02]: This person, formerly known as David, I'm one of the regular hosts of the lore hounds.
00:27 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Nicole, I'm one of the host of Nevermind in the music and affiliate of the lorehounds.
00:32 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm keeping my individuality.
00:33 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not joining up.
00:35 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_03]: But today, we've teamed up together to cover season one of Pluribus on Apple TV.
00:40 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_03]: This is our season one wrap up podcast and we're joined with the infamous John lorehound.
00:47 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome, John.
00:49 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_06]: We are pleased to be here.
00:51 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_06]: This individual was trapped in a podcasting studio for the first few weeks of the outbreak.
00:56 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And so was unable to become part of the plurimus until recently.
01:01 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_02]: the plabs, the plurbs.
01:03 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we call them the plurbs here.
01:06 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_06]: It's plurbentime.
01:07 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you all see Vince Gilligan saying it's plurbentime in that one video?
01:11 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I missed it.
01:12 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, he did it.
01:13 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_06]: He did it.
01:13 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
01:14 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
01:15 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Really quick.
01:17 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We all owe a massive
01:19 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's not a debt, but our gratitude and our admiration to Nancy M aka two kids, two dogs for all of her help this season.
01:34 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She really was instrumental in collecting the feedback
01:43 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And Nicole and I had a lot of, you know, other life stuff going on is a holidays and whatnot, a couple of holidays.
01:50 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And without Nancy's help, it would have been a much harder task.
01:55 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Nancy, thank you so much.
01:57 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, Nancy, and just for everyone's appreciation, Nancy loves Vince Gilligan and the Holden's Gilligan world.
02:04 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_02]: She loves this show, she loves this community.
02:06 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And for her, it's just an expression.
02:09 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Not only of her appreciation of the community, but it's something that gives her a lot of joy.
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_02]: when she's taking about these shows.
02:17 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_02]: She is a Laura Hound, just not on air, Mike Laura Hound.
02:20 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So Nancy, thank you again for everything.
02:24 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We really, really appreciate you and all the support that you gave us.
02:28 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Whenever season two does come back,
02:30 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_02]: the email will still be there.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It is pluralists at thelorounds.com.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We will keep it open.
02:36 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So if there's anything that you need to let us know about, you can shoot it our way.
02:40 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, who knows when they're going to get season two, but we will be here when they do come back.
02:46 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And David, I think you're giving us too much credit and saying, it Nancy made our jobs easier.
02:52 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this would have been impossible without her help.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not hyperbolic.
02:56 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I really do think she was the glue that kept our ship together.
03:01 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe mixing metaphors there, but we really appreciate you, Nancy.
03:05 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved engaging with you on our community discord.
03:08 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_03]: We're fan of Nevermind the music and we kind of
03:11 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_03]: a felon step with each other there and I was so thrilled to see you involved here too.
03:15 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It was really nice to work with you.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_03]: One I want to get to know you a little bit better.
03:18 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Our community discord is a great place to make new friends and interact.
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04:10 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a link tree and then that little webpage has all of the links to all of our resources.
04:17 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So today, we're going to start off with our tepid takes.
04:19 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_02]: John might have some hotter takes, so maybe some lukewarm takes will see why we want to get his impression of the season overall and the coal you and I did are sort of season our episode nine.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: a vibe check of the other week.
04:34 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So that podcast is out there, but today we're going to talk about the season overall and then what Nancy helped us do was collect up some voicemails and some emails and some discord comments and we're going to kind of use those comments as a structure for talking about the season overall.
04:51 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about Carol, Manusos, theories around
04:58 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_06]: John, what did you you were I think you caught you kind of midway or I don't remember how you got into the show got in around episode four is And I and I like I went I started watching around the time episode four was out.
05:12 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I did not start an episode four because I would have not made a lot of sense But yeah, I came up and I was like, oh, I should have covered this with David.
05:20 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_06]: So, uh, because I was just like, oh my god, this is such a good show.
05:25 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I mean, at the same time, I had a lot going on in my life in the lead in the year, and I'm glad that I didn't cover it with you because that would have been a scheduling disaster.
05:34 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_06]: But, and I'm also, so please, to, I've had your podcast as a companion for most of the journey, right, because I, I started episode four, so I, I should hope so.
05:42 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I actually, yeah, because I didn't binge it.
05:46 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I watched it over a few days.
05:48 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I caught up over a few days.
05:49 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_06]: So I did actually listen to your podcast pretty much weekly.
05:53 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And it was such a joy to listen to it.
05:56 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And Nicole, as much as I feel like I missed out on,
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_06]: covering the season.
06:02 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so glad that you were there to do it with David because you added so much on the psychology side and you added so much deaf to that part of it and and so I'm really like you guys really balance each other out all season.
06:14 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_06]: So here's where I keep my praise upon you both.
06:16 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, man.
06:18 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_03]: David's made it quite clear that I was his second choice to host.
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it has been really fun.
06:25 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I was a really nice opportunity and really fun to establish some great off-mic banter and really record it with David.
06:31 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, it took a second for our icebergs to bump up against each other, sub-surface.
06:37 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So, then then when he did, it was obvious that you're the first choice.
06:41 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did I think anything else?
06:43 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think you guys should come back, I mean, if we're all alive by the time that season two comes out, you guys just come back and do it again,
06:53 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think Nicole was planning on quitting her high-paying day job and just becoming a full-time Underfunded by Gester.
07:00 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was gonna climb down from the ivory tower of higher head Everyone knows college professors are just reking it in day in day out, especially in the liberal arts
07:13 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think you can be a college professor nowadays unless you have a viable TikTok or a podcast, right?
07:20 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, things that I tell people I have a podcast, they're like, of course you do.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_03]: You're a professor.
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like your whole gate is just now.
07:25 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to stand up in front of people.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_03]: You can sit down and do it.
07:28 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy to, but I all, I'm trying to get better.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_03]: My new year's resolution is to get better at taking a compliment.
07:35 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll just say thank you for that compliment, John.
07:38 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_06]: In the end, we will all become meme.
07:40 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_06]: And we'll all become meme.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_06]: We will all become meme.
07:44 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Me, love it.
07:45 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
07:46 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, because we're all going to have our podcasts.
07:48 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And we great.
07:50 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be very, six, seven.
07:51 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So, but I heard it's over now.
07:53 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It's already six, seven is already over.
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I was in New York City around the holidays.
07:56 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Now, I'm getting off track.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_06]: I was in New York City over the holidays.
07:59 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And there was a Santa driving a Rick Shaw with the six, seven song Blast.
08:07 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, this is just really fantastic.
08:09 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_06]: This is really New York City, Jen Alpha edition.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
08:14 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I'll end with your type of takes.
08:16 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I'm with my type of takes.
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I was in from the first episode.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I watched the first episode.
08:20 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I said, there's going to be great.
08:21 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I know some people were little like, oh, this is slow.
08:24 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_06]: This is, you know, this is that I never felt that way.
08:27 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_06]: I know I said in the top 10, like, maybe there's some pacing issues.
08:30 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I changed my mind by the end of the season because I think that all the, and one of the things that made me
08:37 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_06]: changed my mind was an interview I heard with Ray C. Horn where she was talking about and I think this was only official pod.
08:43 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_06]: She was talking about how she learned from Jonathan Banks, how to hold empty space, right, how to hold the scene and really just
08:55 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_06]: not say a word, but keep the camera's attention, keep the audience's attention, and be active while doing nothing.
09:03 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And that really interested me, and the rest of the time I was watching the show, and went, oh, you're like, you're doing the acting thing right now.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_06]: It's really, really great.
09:13 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Not that I didn't think she was great before that, but it just elevated a little bit.
09:17 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it recontextualized it for you.
09:19 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll just mention that for folks who don't know the Vince Giddle gun or universe, Jonathan Banks played Mike Irman trout both in Breaking Bad and in Better Call Soul as a detective.
09:36 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_02]: who then turns to a life of crime, he sort of breaks bad.
09:40 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But in better call sol, there are these just amazing scenes where he's like breaking into a house or doing some other secret stuff, and it's just this cool music montage, and then Mike doing like all this secret squirrel stealthy stuff, no dialogue, and literally him just act it, just being the character on camera.
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's incredible.
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there's something about the way he moves.
10:04 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think Carol does this a little bit too, but Carol almost feels like she's doing some of the Bryan Cranston and some of the, some of the Jonathan Banks in that she can do the panic because that's the Bryan Cranston Walter White thing, right?
10:20 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_06]: He'll hold a scene solo, but it's like a panicked, phrasal, and Carol will be that.
10:26 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_06]: So Racy Horne can do that, but she also can do the Jonathan Banks
10:30 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_06]: silent, cool, just doing my thing.
10:33 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's what makes her really versatile and interesting actor, especially for a show like this where she does have to be alone so much.
10:40 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_06]: So I was just so impressed with her performance, it actually made me go back and start better call sol, which I've never watched before, and I watched the first two seasons.
10:47 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I've been some in a few weeks, amazing show.
10:50 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_06]: You want to watch it?
10:52 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we should do it.
10:52 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Watch it.
10:52 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Watch it.
10:53 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Only finished the show first.
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, she's amazing in it.
10:57 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_06]: The show is great.
10:58 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm now all Racy, who are in Pild, I think she's fantastic.
11:03 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Which is what Vince Gilligan said he saw in her and why he, one of the sources of the show is his desire to showcase her.
11:13 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
11:16 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm waiting for Huel to come back from the Better Call Sol Breaking Bad universe.
11:21 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I think when Huel appears to her to be like, you don't remember being a lawyer in Albuquerque, that's going to be a real one.
11:28 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We tend to get to the humble figurines
11:31 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, I mean other than that the show I mean just the the one criticism I have it is the green screens Heans are horrendous and There's like no excuse for how bad they are like I don't understand I don't understand how this got green lit on the green screen.
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
11:49 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Like there's the show is so perfect in every way And then you get to a green screen scene and you're like this looks like the room that old movie that I that you know what I mean that movie I don't know that movie, but I know what you mean
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's a whole experience.
12:02 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_06]: If you weren't there for the moment of the room, it's, I just, I don't think you should even watch it now.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it'll, I don't think it'll hold up.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a movie that notoriously is a hate watch.
12:14 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Like everybody watches it to make fun of it.
12:15 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_02]: 2003.
12:16 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what's her name, the girl from Bird Box?
12:23 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_06]: No, the room was made by a very weird man named Tommy whistle, who we don't know the age or nationality of because he keeps changing it, but he does talk some interviews and it really is like maybe the worst movie ever made, it is so bad that it's good and it was so weird in the production that they ended up doing a movie about the making of it, starring James Franco as
12:50 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'd watch that.
12:52 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Called the disaster artist.
12:54 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I've heard of that one.
12:57 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a whole thing.
12:58 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, my point is, the green screen looked as bad as that.
13:02 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's not cool.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, other than that, I thought everything in the show was brilliant.
13:06 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_06]: They really, you know, dove deep into themes.
13:09 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I thought that they did a really good job of making me almost be like, well, maybe the plurbs aren't that bad for a while.
13:16 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And then,
13:17 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_06]: By the end of the season, you're watching a quiet horror show where culture is colonized.
13:25 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_06]: And that opening scene of the last episode kind of encapsulates the whole show.
13:33 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And I know you guys were talking about this this similarly, but you got to release the whole show of it's peaceful and it's beautiful and it's horrific.
13:42 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_06]: the way that this is, you know, a quiet takeover, right?
13:47 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, not all colonization is physically violent.
13:51 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And yet there is a violence to this type of colonization, mental colonization, right?
13:58 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that we're learning that the possession of all knowledge is not mean the possession of all people.
14:08 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's scary.
14:09 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_06]: That's just, that's just, I think the season two is gonna get way darker.
14:13 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I am convinced that Carol is going to get turned at some point and then Minuso is gonna have to bring her back.
14:19 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think the show ends without that.
14:21 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_06]: I think maybe that's the season two Penultimate and Finale.
14:25 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_06]: other than that, I love everyone on the show, Zoshah Minusos, even last week.
14:32 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_06]: What's her name?
14:33 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Lakshmi.
14:34 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Lakshmi.
14:34 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
14:35 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, she's going to become an ally.
14:36 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so ready for Lakshmi to join the effort.
14:40 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That phone call was brilliant.
14:43 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Was me.
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He just knew who it was.
14:47 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It was perfect.
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, all right.
14:50 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_06]: That's my, and also Cumba, he's not so bad, I think.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he's actually like kind of empathetic.
14:57 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_06]: So I am very much looking forward to season two in the 17 years it'll take to make it because of in Skilligan as an insane man.
15:05 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, that's enough.
15:06 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Teppity.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Teppity from you.
15:09 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
15:10 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Teppity from me.
15:11 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
15:12 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Nicole, any fresh thoughts from since when we talked last about our, on our vibe check for it.
15:20 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I do want to say, I loved the vibe check.
15:23 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that was a really great way just to dump out some ideas.
15:27 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think in our, just a mental note, in our season two coverage, I think we should do more vibe checks generally, but hot takes on the whole season.
15:36 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really interested in what John just said.
15:39 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_03]: about Carol being turned, and Minusus having to unturn her, and I do think for that would be really interesting arc for the second season.
15:48 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_06]: I think she's going to be the first one to be fixed.
15:52 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_06]: You say what I'm saying, like, she's going to be written on a patient zero.
15:56 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_06]: They're going to be close to a solution.
15:57 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_06]: They're not going to be quite there.
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_06]: She's going to get turned.
16:01 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And Minusus is going to be like, Karosturka, wake up and he's going to do it.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I would love that.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_06]: He's going to be like crying over her.
16:10 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, please wake up, Carol Sturka, the way he says it every single time for full name.
16:14 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_06]: It's really interesting.
16:16 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that it's it's going to be a big moment.
16:20 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be a big moment.
16:21 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And they're going to have to bring her back.
16:23 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, and then carols like now I have to get my girlfriend.
16:26 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, my and I my wife and I watched this show by the way, and I'm sorry that I've now hijacked your hot takes.
16:33 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, Nicole, but I just wanted to say my and I watch a show and we burst out laughing when.
16:38 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, what's your name, Carol made the tape, and she goes, and Zoja, why is she so damn fuckable?
16:44 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And then Rose had immediately into the toilet, oh my god, we were cracking up and we quoted it like three times.
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny.
16:51 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_06]: It's funny.
16:51 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just the best funniest line of the show.
16:54 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's one of the great things about the show is you're balancing these like really dark, non-hostile takeovers of humanity with these little bits of levity like that scene,
17:08 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Brakes.
17:09 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Brakes.
17:09 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Brakes.
17:10 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Brakes.
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17:35 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_03]: the inevitable Easter eggs that were placed on our path that we just didn't pick up on our first watch.
17:40 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm eager for that second watch for sure.
17:44 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure I'll have plenty of time to do it while they, I guess, write and produce season two.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess they're just starting from the beginning.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds cool.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_03]: What about you, David?
17:57 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I have no regrets that I put this as my 2025 number one show on my top 10 list even before the finale was out.
18:11 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we recorded our top 10 episode mid December.
18:15 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had like two episodes left and I just didn't feel any danger that they were going to stumble and not stick to slanting.
18:26 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... the the show just felt so confident from the beginning from the outset you know we talk all about a lot of shows needing three seasons that kind of find that find itself for the characters to settle in and and to get it really going and i think
18:41 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_02]: From episode one, this show knew what it was, knew who it is, and that only boads well because once we get into season two, and they've had more time to sort of marinate and think and reflect on all of this, they're going to even be even more in sync with this world that they've created.
19:02 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that just boads really well,
19:07 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I also find this show fascinating from a sociological standpoint.
19:15 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got caught up in just the vid and skilligan visual nonsense, right?
19:21 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I just loved the camera moves and the music and just how the show was edited and paced out.
19:32 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was just fascinating me and just making me very happy.
19:36 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And I love really sea horn and watching her on screen.
19:40 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And then just this cool idea of having an invasion and alien invasion, that wasn't nefarious from the get go.
19:50 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That there is this, oh, well, no, it's fine.
19:53 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just, you know, we're joined.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And the world is different now.
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all cool.
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_02]: So I loved all of that, you know, turning around.
19:59 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's just all this really fascinating stuff.
20:01 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And then as we're watching the show, there's all these philosophical issues and psychological issues and now theological issues in there.
20:09 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The show is just rife with not only Christianityology, but a lot of really coded Christian coded things, 40 days, 13, 12 plus, plus 1 for 13,
20:29 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm fascinated by all of the different little facets and aspects of it.
20:37 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, on our discord and in our feedback, we're getting comments of people like, the plurbs are evil and oh my god, and people really having a lot of strong reactions in a lot of different ways.
20:52 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And at first, I was just kind of like, oh, well, this is art.
20:54 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_02]: This means that it's art because people are, it's really activating people and having people respond.
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is true, and all of that is true.
21:04 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And this show is doing something even at a deeper level than that that I don't think we can fully appreciate at this stage.
21:13 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to take a second watch.
21:16 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to take maybe a year of distance.
21:17 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to, you know, the season two pre-hive and then season two.
21:21 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_02]: To really understand how deep Vince Gilligan and that creative community,
21:30 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_02]: are in our heads and are tripping around in our, in all of the semiotic nonsense that we have in our brains and how we're coded and decoding they like it's just a, they're, they're playing with stuff and they're and I don't think they're intending to do that they're just intending to do their form of art.
21:52 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: and somehow that is just so potent and so powerful and so I have no qualms about having this be clearly my number one show in an incredible year of television when we had and or when we had separates and he did rivalry too and he did rivalry.
22:09 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_02]: John, are you in on he did rivalry?
22:11 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I never want to see the rivalry.
22:12 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
22:13 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen it twice since we've lost twice.
22:17 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I talked to you the week.
22:18 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really good to it.
22:20 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like my little person's already now.
22:22 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
22:22 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I watched it once and was riveted.
22:26 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it switched on in the background.
22:27 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was like, happy to be like syllabus, which I know is.
22:31 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_03]: problematic.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just, it's weird like comforting.
22:35 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's so good.
22:37 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_03]: We're very weirdly comforting.
22:40 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But so so good.
22:41 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for giving me the push to watch it.
22:43 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the thing.
22:45 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun.
22:46 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:46 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: We let us know when you, when you do, we'll do a what you're watching on it.
22:49 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I will say now that you have me thinking about all TV of the year, the needle drop of the year was, uh,
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_06]: bring me to life in the rehearsal.
22:59 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I just I can't I don't get that.
23:02 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't remember that no that was the whole thing in the plane when he's playing the song I have to see it but I know.
23:10 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's coming back to me John.
23:13 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, sorry.
23:14 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, the whole season is about playing so that doesn't really Yeah, that's okay.
23:18 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
23:19 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So there enough.
23:20 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the, well, just really quickly, we're, we're hatching the scheme.
23:25 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to, to see if nevermind the music will do a favorite needle drop of the, of the, of the year kind of thing that's tied into our top 10 community survey.
23:34 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think it would be fun to talk about what,
23:37 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_02]: what songs are are kicking people in the head like right now for the pit because we just started covering that I watched season one episode one the other night and there's a song by Robert Bradley's Blackwater surprise called Baby where no why these characters walk into the park on his way to work it's like the opening scene and man that song is just been on heavy heavy rotation for me in the last couple of days it's so good and I just want to talk about it so
24:03 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping that this will catch on and be an idea for the Lawrence community is not to talk to the never mind the music boss on that one exactly you're favorite Right community what is the community what what songs in the community were were favorites.
24:17 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, before we get into all of the feedback we did have one piece of feedback from Peter O. H.
24:31 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I would enjoy the following things were made possible for me by the plurbs, and this is within the rubric within the question of if you were immune what might you get up to.
24:43 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_02]: and Peter O each says, take a ride in a supersonic jet, go into space, attend concerts and shows and professional sports fixtures.
24:52 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I would probably have my favorite singers come to my living room and perform.
24:56 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Visit all the cool places.
24:58 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_02]: In the vein of Westworld, have the plurbs create a popular, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Long term, I would do the following.
25:14 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Learn woodworking and some other creative hobbies.
25:17 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Plan a planet improving amount of trees and do something related to animals and the conservation of animals.
25:25 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So Nicole and I have talked about our ideas, John, what?
25:31 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_02]: would you get up to if you were one of the immune and you did not have your eggs frozen available?
25:42 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm, I would say I want you to get a hundred plurbs together in a sweatshop and finish a song of ice and fire with your jar of Martin's brain.
25:54 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I would say first.
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Sweat shop conditions.
25:59 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't deserve better at this point.
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And you'd be like slowly beating a drum over them.
26:03 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
26:04 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
26:05 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I addressed like a 1910s millionaire, you know.
26:11 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Like a real like fat cat, can I believe in?
26:13 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'd be a real fat cat, kind of robber baron, kind of guy, you know, you make them feel a little bit.
26:21 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't be a Victorian era's person's imagination of what a torture might look like with a leather mask.
26:30 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm making it upon myself to not put on leather masks.
26:35 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I've already reasoned, but I'm just saying I didn't know that about you.
26:39 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, I would also say, get me the cast of the Wheel of Time and finish that up.
26:48 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_06]: All of my all of my assets are content based.
26:51 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
26:51 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: No, though.
26:52 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
26:52 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a great theme.
26:53 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that idea because everybody's just like I'd go to space or whatever Like not to mock anybody like no that's for me entertain me players That's awesome.
27:03 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
27:05 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: All right good.
27:05 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's take a quick break and then when we come back we will get into the season wrap of feedback
27:21 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: and we are back and it is not the emails that we received along the way, but it is our new friends in London who send us voicemails that are the meaning of the journey and the spirit of the Pluribus community and to start our feedback off we have a voicemail from Caroline.
27:42 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi lovely Laura Hounds, it's Caroline, the writer who lives in London.
27:48 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I just finished watching the pleurbus finale season 1 and it's so good watching it after your recap.
27:55 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: that pointed out things I wouldn't have noticed the first time, what a wonderful show it is.
27:59 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_00]: As I was watching, I thought of a couple of things that I'm sure everyone has thought of before, but I'm going to throw them out there anyway, because you asked for voice males.
28:07 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The first thing I realized is that the reasons the others, the plurbs, are spending so much time and money and resources on the 13 holdouts, or rather now the 12 holdouts, instead of just ignoring them and getting on with their business.
28:22 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: is that I guess even one of them could pull everything down, they need to have every single one of the unaffected on board before they can implement their plan of sending out the virus to other planets.
28:34 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't just ignore them.
28:37 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The second thing I noticed and loved was that final
28:43 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: or Carol Sturka, as Nannus Hussa always calls her, that you're any like that Carol gives Zosha, it's in the helicopter before she gets out.
28:53 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so wonderful because Carol loves her mortal enemy and she can't stand her ally.
29:02 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What a wonderful source of delicious conflict from a writer's point of view to start out the new series, the next series.
29:10 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And the final thing I wanted to say was that I've been thinking all along, this is a metaphor for Christianity, the type of Christianity that Jesus talks about in a way, love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you, turn the other cheek, be joyful, and all things love your neighbors, you love yourself.
29:28 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the others are doing all the time.
29:30 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I said in my first voice, Melty, that if we actually behaved the way Jesus
29:40 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: would we even be human, without conflict, would we be human, we need to struggle, we need to fight, but maybe not with each other, and maybe that's the difference.
29:53 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I loved all Dave's observations about Caritas and empathy, and that's the thing that the plurbs lack that Christians should not lack is that Caritas carrying about even the smallest creature and having real empathy with each other.
30:11 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why this show is such a wonderful thought experiment, but thinking about a completely different mindset that would make us not what we have been from millennia, other than what we've been for our whole existence as humans.
30:25 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I think Vince Gilligan is a genius, and I can't wait for season two to start into a company with your wonderful deep dive into the psychology and philosophy as this series.
30:36 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much and have a wonderful few years until we see you again.
30:41 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Carolyn, I hope that we do not have to wait a couple of years to interact with you again.
30:46 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel seen in this moment that somebody else resonates with my same ideas about the Christian theological elements, it's specifically the cards I was playing because I'm like, oh my god, this show, it's so great.
31:01 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So thanks for picking up all that Caroline and just a reminder to folks
31:10 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_02]: a couple of thoughts that jumped out of me in her voicemail was the conflict between characters and how great that is from a writer's point of view.
31:19 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And then this question of humanity and our struggles and let's start it from
31:29 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The viewpoint of what makes us human in the struggles that we have, and then how that kicks back into the conflict in characters and what makes interesting stories the drama that makes interesting stories.
31:42 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_02]: John, since you're our guest here today, what are your initial thoughts on some of what Caroline had to say?
31:49 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I'm a little pit-pilled right down to, and the pit does a great job of doing parallels between characters, right?
31:59 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm seeing that too with Meneusos and Carol.
32:05 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, both sort of going in opposite directions for a while until finally, Carol has a tatingly pulls back up.
32:14 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_06]: to being where menusoses.
32:17 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think that's so interesting that he, you know, this is something that I think co-workers deal with a lot of this, you know, you, you, you,
32:26 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_06]: you dislike someone who does the job well right so you you want to work well with them and then you have the person who is a really nice person but make sure life harder because they don't do the job well right and what do you do with those two things and Carol has
32:46 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_06]: the person, like Carol, I'm saying, the person who or the people that it's the pluralist, that is working against her, but are just so lovely to be with, right?
32:58 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_06]: And then Manusos on the other side, being so interpersonally abrasive and yet doing what she knows is the right thing.
33:09 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_06]: There is another thing I want to point out here, which is that, um,
33:13 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_06]: There's a moment where things break for Carol with Zoisha.
33:18 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And that moment is when Zoisha says to her, we're doing this because we love you.
33:23 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_06]: And she had to have heard that same sentence from her mother at some point, right?
33:28 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_06]: With the conversion therapy camp.
33:33 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And so this is just a pattern that Carol recognizes of abuse in the name of love, right?
33:40 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And taking away her agency in the name of love, that really makes this relationship with the plurbs and with the ZoShop Club, fascinating.
33:51 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I also think Carol has a lot of ups and downs throughout this whole season, and it's taken her long time to get on the same, like to calibrate with Minusos in his point of view.
34:02 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_03]: She's kind of ebbdened-flowed quite a bit from like his baseline.
34:07 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's an interesting equilibrium that we're like searching for here as we wrap up season one and also to your point about this, you know, abuse in the name of love and we're doing it out of love.
34:19 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Carol so interesting because she likes to be.
34:21 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's weird.
34:24 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like she doesn't really want to be in control, but she also doesn't want to be controlled like she wants people to.
34:31 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_06]: So she's a cat.
34:34 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I think like you know she she wants other people to it seems like make the plans for her and show her around and kind of kind of craft her experiences but she doesn't she still wants to buy into that idea so when someone's telling her she has to be some way she always bucks back and she bucks back hard and that
34:57 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I see that for sure as something that's rooted in her lived experience, especially in adolescence.
35:03 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's really interesting to Caroline's points about, you know, would we be human without conflict?
35:13 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure based on this, you know, the show, it's seeming that we wouldn't, right?
35:19 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Utopia isn't just everyone happy and agreeable.
35:27 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And we've talked about that all season long that without friction, where do new ideas come from?
35:34 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Where does art come from?
35:35 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Where does the do new insights and new discoveries and breakthroughs come from?
35:43 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Pure intellect is helpful in some ways, but as a human experience with our serotonin or oxyctin,
35:53 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say oxy what do I want to call it as you want to call it oxytococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococ
36:09 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_02]: what are we without conflict?
36:12 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_02]: What are we without the human heart in conflict with itself?
36:15 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a long time since I've got to say that.
36:17 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That feels good.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what makes for interesting drama.
36:21 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what makes, you know, it's tension and release.
36:24 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what makes good story.
36:27 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And even talk about, oh, sorry to cut you.
36:28 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No, please go out, Carol.
36:30 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_03]: But when you talk about love and the neurobiology of love, like the blur was give off a lot of oxytocin, right?
36:37 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_03]: This lots of, like, let's be close to nurturing.
36:40 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_03]: But the vasopressin is really where the conflict comes in.
36:43 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Carol has far more, is ruled more by her vasopressin than anything else, which is like the neurotransmitter, the neurochemical
36:53 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_03]: like rage in the name of love, like fighting for what's right and just in the name of love.
36:58 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're not getting that a lot from the plurbs.
37:00 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_03]: We're getting a lot of like blind serotonin blind dopamine, right?
37:06 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And none of that like fight.
37:08 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And that fight is human.
37:09 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Like that, what's what makes us human, you know?
37:12 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I wonder, I just wanted to say this, I think that what bothers Carol the most is that
37:19 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, this is the second time in her life, second major time in her life, and you know, this is probably her experience as a gay person generally, but as a second main time in her life where someone who loves her says, love the right way or else love us the right way or else right love other people the right way or else.
37:38 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And her mother sending her to conversion therapy, that really is just saying, like, you are not loving the right way, love the right way, or you're gonna, you know, there's gonna be pain.
37:50 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And this too is basically saying, like, join us willingly, or we'll do it unwillingly, this way that they are doing it here.
38:00 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I just think that she,
38:04 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_06]: She is someone who obviously has human needs and human desires, but is smart enough and I appreciate that she's smart enough for the character is written smart enough to recognize these toxic patterns repeating.
38:19 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see her at times recognized that.
38:23 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_02]: She feels she feels something after her first outburst that has a really negative effect and she says, can you give me something
38:33 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:34 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see some growth growth in her.
38:37 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking as well, John, and I know we've talked a little bit about this in previous years of our podcasting.
38:45 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_02]: This idea that human beings and our relationship to narrative structures,
38:51 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_02]: the stories that we tell ourselves culturally.
38:54 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, what's the story of America?
38:57 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the story of this country or these peoples?
39:01 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And how narrative structure drives us.
39:05 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I'm sort of conflicted with the idea and this is sort of to you, Nicole, too, is evolutionary biology.
39:12 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And how the human, how homo sapiens sapiens is as we are now.
39:19 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And how do we not diminish ourselves when we look at our evolutionary history as a species and how we got to where we are?
39:29 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think there's an interesting tension there between our biology and then the intellectual stories that we tell ourselves to framework ourselves as we move around the planet.
39:39 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think that how we're nurtured has a lot to do with that.
39:43 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_03]: They some, we call it the intersection of nature and nurture like a epigenetics, like how it all relates to each other.
39:49 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're seeing, you know, maybe Carol has,
39:54 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_03]: a baseline to a more aggressive response and then her environment that she was raised and made her that way even more, right, and added to that natural influence.
40:05 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And now our biology does change our behavior.
40:08 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, a lot of people think myself included that your biology drives most of your behavior.
40:13 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we are more rooted.
40:15 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_03]: in our physiology, then our circumstances, and that might be a controversial statement.
40:21 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_03]: For some, maybe not you guys, with some people I work with, that might be a controversial statement, and we're seeing a real crux of that in this show, you know, if everyone's biology,
40:31 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_03]: becomes uniform, the outliers are real outliers, and Carol for sure is, and she always was, and this is just exasperated that.
40:40 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And to go back to John's point about love, it's not just where, where, she, Carol is being told to love the right way.
40:48 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_03]: She was also in some ways being told that other people's love for you is conditional, right?
40:54 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, we'll only love you if you are
40:58 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_03]: and that must be really activating for her in these moments too.
41:03 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that she does just want to be loved and she's trying to navigate how to earn that love.
41:10 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_03]: When in my opinion, is that in like a, I don't want to say proper or good, but in what I consider like positive
41:27 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, love is guaranteed, right?
41:30 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Whoever you are, you're loved.
41:32 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't have to get straight days to be loved or be straight to be loved or be gay to be loved.
41:37 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You can just be and be loved.
41:39 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think Carol
41:42 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_03]: got that reinforcement when she was growing up and we're seeing ripples of that now when she does feel very, very much like an outlier in this situation.
41:50 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's sad, it's sad.
41:53 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It's sad for Carol, even though I don't like her a lot.
41:56 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so care about her.
41:58 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_03]: We're just interesting.
42:00 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_02]: John, any thoughts on narrative structures, both personally, the kind of narratives that we tell ourselves, whether I do have a story that I've loved or not, or culturally, at a sociological level, how narrative structure drives values and how we look at voting rights or the place of different genders in society, all of these are narrative structures.
42:24 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_06]: I've talked on other podcasts and now I'm going to speak in front of a psychologist about thinking that I barely understand.
42:32 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm barely a psychologist.
42:33 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't believe, you're much more of a psychologist than I am, so I've talked about how I am.
42:42 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_06]: I am definitely a believer in the initiation.
42:46 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_06]: the initiation theory of patriarchal scripts, right?
42:53 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_06]: These narratives of, you know, boys, young boys and young girls act largely the same.
43:02 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And it is only when they start interacting with parents and peers and Allow parents, that is not your parents, but an adult that you can, you know, get get some help from that is what really initiates you into your gender and into your patriarchal scripts and how that initiation affects you depends on depends more on your peers than other people than your parents even, you know, then you're authority
43:31 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_06]: And so, you know, I've done a lot of, you know, I, I've set on a podcast, I've taken a class with Carol Gilligan.
43:36 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_06]: She's a really interesting developmental psychologist.
43:39 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I've, I've read a lot on this subject and I am very much convinced of that and I think Carol has learned a lot of coping mechanisms.
43:50 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_06]: throughout her life on how to block out trauma and how to deal with pain and grief and loss in ways that perhaps are unhealthy.
44:02 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think what's interesting about this show is that it presents a group of people with an entirely new script outside of the patriarchy, right, outside of
44:19 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_06]: they they're egalitarian way that uh... i i think of um... uh... i'm trying to decide how badly to spoil dune the books there's a there's a uh... an idea in dune of your consciousness being put in the backseat
44:37 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_06]: to a large number of beings.
44:39 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_06]: And that always was terrifying to me.
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that we're seeing that here.
44:45 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Right?
44:46 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that when I feel like I'm getting off track with the question here, but I think that when somebody wakes up for one of these, they're gonna be like, that was horrifying.
44:56 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I was not in control of myself, but I was still there in the back of my head.
45:00 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think we're going to see this again, right, right, um, I don't think that these people are vanishing.
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I think they are just in the back seat.
45:08 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And then I think virus is just its own thing.
45:11 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's more like the image from.
45:21 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_06]: you know, opioid-braining people.
45:23 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_06]: What was the question again?
45:25 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It was all about narrative structures.
45:26 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you had any thoughts on narrative structures, yes, logically and individually.
45:31 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_06]: So narrative structure, I think Carol is being confronted with something that she's not been confronted with before, right?
45:36 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_06]: It is something outside of the scripts that she thought she knew.
45:39 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_06]: She's deeply uncomfortable with it.
45:41 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And that is more traumatic to her almost than feeling with a struggle that would be more within this patriarchal structure that she has raised it.
45:50 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Interesting.
45:50 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:51 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I like this idea that that the plurbs are outside of anything we've known, and even for us viewers, because we're used to alien invasions being malicious and violent, and you know, more of the worlds kind of and not, oh, you know, hey, what do you need?
46:08 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want some, you want to, you want Air Force One, or you want to recreate the scene from this movie?
46:13 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no problem.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do that for you.
46:14 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_03]: But in some ways that is violent, it's just not up to sleep, it's psychologically violent.
46:20 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.
46:21 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And what I'm saying is we're trained for laser guns and space shots sending upon us.
46:25 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it sort of, it's like, whoa.
46:29 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa.
46:30 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And it, uh, I think there's something interesting there to in terms of, again, of,
46:36 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_02]: biology and who we are in my narrative structure, who I am to myself, suddenly joining a sea of, you know, a union consciousness.
46:46 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_02]: where I am both individual and yet non-individual is it's really fascinating from a construct standpoint.
46:55 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So, but let's push in and on into feedback.
47:00 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk a little bit.
47:00 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's use the Kusumayu's joining in her village as a little bit of an entryway further into this question of the plurbs and how things work.
47:09 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Both Naurals and MotorRidersD made comments
47:13 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_02]: How sad they were to see Kusamio's village and its culture going completely extinct in the second that she joined.
47:20 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_02]: The join no longer have to keep up appearances to make Kusamio happy, especially if she must have asked the plurbs to keep things the way they were before the joining.
47:30 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Even the baby goat knows that this is wrong.
47:33 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that to each he chimed in and says does anyone else feel bad for the baby goat?
47:37 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And then dopamine adds that asks us basically, do we know much about plant medicine, ceremonies, and Peru, specifically, and I know nothing about plant ceremonies specifically in Peru.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's why we have community.
47:51 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why if we are weirdly plurbed here because we can learn from you because that's what you were seeing.
47:58 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a blend of Christianity folded into the indigenous practices, but they truly worship the spirit of the plant.
48:03 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I saw, not anything Christian.
48:05 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is in relation to on our vibe check.
48:07 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I was talking about the semiotics of what was encoded in there that looked like Christian practice,
48:20 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, go for me to continue.
48:22 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Plus it was all BS anyway.
48:23 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Once you smile, it's joined.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll stop the join.
48:25 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know anything from each other.
48:27 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Except whatever their resource extraction work is.
48:30 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything remotely human is only there for the benefit of enjoying humans, including the ceremony.
48:37 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Nicole sort of pulling back, you know, using the Kusamio joining ceremony, but then pulling back and thinking about the joint as a organism.
48:50 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_02]: dots.
48:52 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we had references in our previous episode.
48:55 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_03]: How it, it did feel.
49:00 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_03]: like a masquerade kind of felt like a scene for, um, for the girl being joined, you know, I didn't seem genuine, um, it seemed so performative and the vacuum that was created when she, I love that word, yeah vacuum it just suddenly
49:21 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it just went away, like all of the spiritual fabric and all of the texture of that scene.
49:28 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It just became very sanitized as soon as she was joined, and I think that is a metaphor for joining as a whole.
49:36 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm eager to see moving forward next season if and when we get to observe other people being joined,
49:48 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_03]: that similar vacuum exists and how they play that when that person being joined isn't as compliant as a young proof or in girl might have been.
49:57 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_03]: What if we are in an environment they hold someone down and force them to be joined, right?
50:02 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Which seems like
50:04 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_03]: a very big departure for the plurbs in this very like sterilized cozy environment that they're trying to create.
50:13 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how forceful it will become and I'm not really looking forward to that.
50:16 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that would be very hard to watch if I'm for so many reasons.
50:21 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_03]: But this was like psychologically very challenging to watch, to watch someone's individuality just be sniffed away.
50:29 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
50:30 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And we did see the initial joining events globally, right, and they do it.
50:37 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_02]: without consent, but without harming the person, right?
50:41 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_02]: They've been leaking doughnuts, and will you be a physical physical harm?
50:45 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not sticking needles in people.
50:47 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like, a lot of people, you know, felt like hell and right, fell in.
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a lot of things.
50:52 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, a lot of clutter, too.
50:54 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_02]: The guy that was hanging from the, the chair, he took a bucket, we're fine, Carol.
50:59 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We're good.
51:00 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_06]: So good.
51:01 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you coming here?
51:03 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
51:03 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I assume they're just going to gas carol at some point.
51:06 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And then manure source is going to be like shit.
51:11 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
51:11 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Carol, storka.
51:14 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that.
51:15 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_02]: John, you you felt for the goat as well.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I felt for the goat.
51:18 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's I think it's it's showing you how.
51:23 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_06]: utilitarianism, you know, is brutal to you, right?
51:27 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, there may be no, you know, gore in this show, there may be, you know, like violent violence, physical violence in the show.
51:38 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_06]: But there is a cost, and there is pain that will occur because of the plurvis, plurvis, plurvis, plurvis, plurvis, plurvis, plurvis.
51:46 --> 51:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
51:47 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he hasn't been with us yet, so he's so sorry.
51:50 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I'll go down.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll take like physical gore over psychological violence any day.
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And cultural violence.
51:59 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
52:00 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I have an unreleased episode with Marilyn and I talking about theology and religion-related stuff.
52:09 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And I haven't really see it partly just because it's me explaining a lot and I don't know if that's interesting or not, so I need to listen back to it and see where I am with that.
52:19 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But as I was explaining the show to her, I remember Marilyn had a moment where she kind of sat back and.
52:28 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so fascinated by all of our reactions.
52:32 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fascinated by the show, so I'm always leaning in.
52:34 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But there are parts of the show that really gut check people, and they lean back.
52:41 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, that is violence, that is cultural violence, that is psychological violence, that is individual violence, even though it's couched in, we love you, Carolyn.
52:50 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to do anything that's going to harm you.
52:53 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_02]: it's such an interesting construct.
52:55 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's such a fascinating world that they've spun up.
52:59 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Did Marilyn bring up Quaker meeting in your podcast with her?
53:03 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think so.
53:04 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Because I feel like you got to poke her right about that, because I've been doing Quaker meeting, but Marilyn is, you know, goes often.
53:13 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, the idea is you sit in silence, and if you are moved by, you know, your inner life, you, you speak up.
53:22 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we did, maybe we did touch on it.
53:24 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a few days ago now.
53:25 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_06]: So I, I feel like you must have.
53:27 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_06]: She loves talking about it.
53:29 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, it reminds me of how all these plurbs are always working in silence, right?
53:35 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Always in this sort of silent meditation, and then one of them will speak for the collective.
53:41 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's so fascinating to me that, you know, it can be a beautiful thing when it's a group of individuals holding a collective meditation.
53:50 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_06]: But once it is an individual, pluralist collective consciousness, it becomes horror, right?
53:58 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Like what is the difference fundamentally there?
54:03 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really good question.
54:04 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the lack of autonomy, right?
54:08 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_03]: For me, it's the fact that like you, you aren't you, you don't exist as an individual to have their own light like you are part of one of many and that's just effing creepy, it's just creepy, it's like full stop.
54:24 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_03]: goes against our construct as human beings, right, and we want to think that we're all unique snowflakes for all special and different, even if some of us are more similar than others, like, you know, some you meet people out of nowhere and you're like, well, I feel like I've known you forever, we're cut from the same cloth and we've had different lived experiences that we can pull from to add color and richness to that foundational relationship.
54:48 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And it just becomes a lot less interesting when you know everything about everyone all the time.
54:54 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: which is the kind of a paradox of humanity is that we're 99.99.99% all the same on the earth from a design and build standpoint.
55:06 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_02]: The variations from a species level, like I'm talking really high species level, are minimal.
55:12 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And yet, we all have these unique experiences as we walk the earth.
55:16 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And we all have our unique circumstances and finding the beauty and that and and recognizing the individuality.
55:25 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_03]: The plan has just been reduced to a bunch of meat puppets.
55:28 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're all like that.
55:30 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_03]: rich with our individual experience with which is, you know, incomparable.
55:35 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
55:36 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And all this to say, I feel bad for the goat, too.
55:40 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Because that just wants to be pet.
55:42 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_03]: It needs a human to pet it and take care of it and love it for who it is.
55:45 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_03]: All these poor animals are just left.
55:48 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_03]: We just laughed.
55:49 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_03]: They were left behind.
55:50 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:52 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And to me, that was the penny dropped moment of, oh, that this is a different
55:57 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I see what the plurbs do to, I don't want to say life, but the stark contrast between the plurbs and society as we had known it prior, even with all the, the whore-rificness of our current modern society, that this plastic, no violence kind of thing.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_02]: it is devoid.
56:23 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you leave the baby goat, that to me really signal, visually signal it perfectly.
56:28 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's take another quick break and then when we come back, we'll carry on with
56:43 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're back.
56:45 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk a little bit about Menusos and Carol as a duo.
56:51 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll talk a little bit about Carol, and we'll talk a little bit about Menusos.
56:56 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Marcus S starts us off after a season of showing us how Carol Menusos are headstrong and obstinate this episode delivered a real treat by showing how badly they didn't naturally mix.
57:06 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_02]: A cringe worthy and uncomfortable delight to watch.
57:10 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And when I hear the beginning of the mantra, my name is Manusos Ovedo, I am not one of them.
57:14 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish to save the world by mine once to finish it with my name is in, in, in, oh, I can't, you don't know what this is.
57:23 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, of course I know what it is.
57:24 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I just can't pronounce his name.
57:26 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, you're Montoya.
57:28 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_06]: You killed my father for pair to die.
57:30 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
57:30 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not doing the accent, like if you think it did.
57:33 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I just had a podcaster mouth, so I couldn't say, I was like, I just don't know what this is, David.
57:40 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_06]: If you don't know the princess bride.
57:42 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
57:44 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, my mind went there as well.
57:48 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And then jerky said this was a banger finale, and gave me pretty much everything I wanted.
57:54 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The plane has landed.
57:55 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_02]: The news host, it's hard core.
57:57 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_02]: His and Carol's back and forth was hilarious.
57:59 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They were arguing while the phone translation was still going.
58:02 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That was divertado as one might say, meaning fun.
58:07 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_02]: They reminded me of talking with some of my South and Central American friends on my soccer team.
58:11 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like when we want to have a more nuanced conversation, but don't have a fully bilingual friend handy.
58:18 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk a little bit about the duo, Carolyn Minusos, and kind of what you're expecting for next year, John.
58:24 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_02]: You're into the parallel thing here.
58:26 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We're very pit-coded right now.
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah, we're pit-coded too.
58:31 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I think that they are going to be.
58:33 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think that they were the latter half of the season.
58:36 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_06]: They were.
58:37 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to say foil because foil is not.
58:40 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_06]: foil is misused all the time.
58:42 --> 58:43 [SPEAKER_06]: foil is one character aesthetic.
58:43 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_06]: The other one is dynamic.
58:44 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_06]: You're using the character that is a foil, the static one, to show the difference in the dynamic character.
58:51 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_06]: People use it as these two characters going in parallel or different journeys.
58:55 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_06]: It's wrong, you're wrong.
58:57 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, my point is,
58:58 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_06]: um they are the wrong kind of you're just a you're a college professor you're just a a literary you know a lit professor in disguise that's all you want maybe so maybe so you get your sweater on there doesn't have a little patches on the elbows yeah I got a I got a patch on it I got to make sure to have a pencil behind my ear yeah and that's what you're asking say I went to mark so street court never mind the music episode the other day and he had a jack-in-one with patches on the elbow was it
59:27 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he's like, I have an important meeting.
59:33 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a doctor, I wear a lab coat and I'm like, it's clear.
59:38 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
59:38 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, yeah, I'm going for the parallel, but slightly different journeys.
59:42 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And, but I think that that's basically done now.
59:46 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we've done that work and next season we are going to have this, I think there would be a lot of friction, but I think they're going to be moving in the same direction.
59:57 --> 59:57 [UNKNOWN]: Great.
59:57 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_02]: thoughts on Kerala and Manusos, their interactions, their future, what we saw Nicole?
01:00:03 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's so wild because this whole season for me, I was like, when are they going to meet?
01:00:08 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_03]: When are they going to meet?
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And like, I didn't even think.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_03]: In for a second, that when they met, they wouldn't just fall immediately and step with each other.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were going to meet and just be like, yes, we're in it.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_03]: You're here now, but then everything changed and I was like, if they're not getting along, like, just get along, like you're so much in common, like just vibe with each other.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And the tension was really delicious.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, it adds richness to the story.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, it would be too easy if they just fell in step with each other and just,
01:00:39 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's a different show.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a different show.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And I should have known better just a fool for collaboration.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm really eager to see them just vibe with each other.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm kind of glad that they didn't did have a nice tension, nice texture to the story for sure.
01:00:55 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's interesting that the new source is who he is, because we don't really know who Zosa is.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_02]: What if Zosa was able to be, you know, if they were able to jail break Zosa and she was back to her usual self?
01:01:11 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_02]: How would she feel about being in a same-sector relationship?
01:01:14 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_02]: How would she feel about being in Elbuquerque?
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, there's a little... Do you make other carol never asks that?
01:01:20 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_06]: She asks if she hadn't someone else.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Of course, she never asks, like,
01:01:24 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Does what the zoo should be into me?
01:01:27 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And Zoshah is identified by the hive to be her shaperone.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
01:01:35 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Based on what physical looks.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_06]: based on vibes.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whereas Manusos is Manusos pure and simple.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think maybe that's a good point to pivot a little bit to Carol and Manusos.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Abbey on the discord wrote, this goes back to when she was watching the episode.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll halfway through the episode and annoyed by Carol.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I was sympathetic to her trauma, grief, and then being left alone for 40 days to control,
01:02:09 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: All it took was to get kissed and by the hot lady and she's in love, her brains put on hold.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, Menuso says extreme, but he's also listening and adapting and trying to find a solution.
01:02:20 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Carol doesn't even ask, what and why?
01:02:23 --> 01:02:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Just brings out a big gun back to the cop mentality.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_02]: They are not yours, Carol, her choice.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So cringe and unconfie.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say I go analyze Carol a little bit.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_06]: We haven't been doing that for like an hour.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Not enough.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I love yeah go for it
01:02:46 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Carol's having a trauma response, a grief response, I'm reminding myself constantly that Zosha's not Zosha, Zosha is Helen, right?
01:02:56 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Zosha is taking over Helen's consciousness to appeal to Carol's sympathy, to placate her and distract her, and she knows just how to do it, because Helen and Carol were together for a long time with
01:03:09 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Helen, playcating and distracting, Carol.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not, I just need to keep reminding anyone who's willing to listen of that fact, right?
01:03:20 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And
01:03:21 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, I agree.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree with this comment.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I was annoyed with Carol.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was screaming.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it seemed like all of a sudden she just bought in.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It was easier for her to do it.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I think once she learns that they couldn't convert her by force, she kind of realized, okay, this was she realized that she relaxes.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a hand-up and del, it seems like I could live a nice life doing this.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's Debate.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of having fun
01:03:49 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me read books by the pool while my hot girlfriend swims in front of me and I'll go to ask for whatever, walk on the beach, hold hands, whatever.
01:03:57 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Left-handed darkness.
01:03:59 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We did not.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I called out.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I asked for somebody, but nobody said anything, but Alicia and Marilyn are talking about me be doing some work around the left-handed darkness.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be a great condominacy.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing an assurse.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You just become an assurse.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_03]: You guys take on a lot of projects.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Too many.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we back then, we were like, oh, let's, we need other things to do.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And now we're in this bumper crop of television shows.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Now we're like, I guess we're doing weekly coverage of the pet.
01:04:30 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's just, we kind of fall into weekly coverage.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, poor Carol, I think that, you know, she, there's no middle of the road with her.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's
01:04:48 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see that with the handcuff, right?
01:04:51 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't think to go, oh, well, let me go find a key.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me go to the cop shop or, you know, let me go find another, you know, something.
01:04:57 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_02]: She just lives with it until she realizes she can take it off.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a cognitive distortion.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all an all or nothing.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Thinking, catastrophizing.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and that makes her a great writer.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, her romantasy career is thriving.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:15 [SPEAKER_02]: John would you ever, would you, yes, would you ever?
01:05:15 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm sure the plurbs were pretty excited when she offered them new chapters.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_02]: John, do you, are you a secret romantasy?
01:05:23 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_06]: So, her.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_06]: So actually, I, my wife and I committed to each reading a smart book together this year because we, you know, we, we both read fantasy, but we've never do it as smart.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I started reading one this week, actually.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it about two hockey players?
01:05:42 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's about to dragon writers.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:48 [SPEAKER_06]: It is about dragon writers actually.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_06]: and it's so goddamn horny.
01:05:50 --> 01:05:54 [SPEAKER_06]: The whole like from Dr. Juan, this is the rivalry.
01:05:54 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_06]: This the mean character and the and her sister are talking about like the size of things in chapter one.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, my god, these women are just their books are out of control.
01:06:05 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_06]: We, you know, I can't, I don't know what to do with it.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_03]: You have to get like a jacket, a book jacket for like a non-smut book and cover the heart.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, with e-readers now, yeah.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I take a narrow science books, leaving like put it over the smarts.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, no.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:23 [SPEAKER_06]: No shame.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_06]: My people would have felt it.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:30 [SPEAKER_06]: My fable profile is public, and I have fourth wing on there right now in my currently reading.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:33 [SPEAKER_06]: So, if you're not.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_06]: If you're not, but I did read some of the, because Apple does these fun little tie-in books, right?
01:06:40 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_06]: And they released a short little blurb, short little excerpt of Carol's book, you know?
01:06:44 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, yep.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_06]: And I read some of that and I was like, oh, this is hot garbage.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's wonderful.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_06]: To be clear like I'm not making a value judgment.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just saying like it's not good writing like right like it.
01:06:56 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_06]: This is not like You know, there there's something to be said for comfort food here, right?
01:07:02 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's fine like but it is comfort food and it's not necessarily gourmet
01:07:07 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And when the volume of output versus, yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there
01:07:27 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: her being rejected by the other immune and the month of isolation messed her up.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Recall that Carol offered to help Diabate come up with a way to keep the hive from starving.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But he pushed away after one night of being in it.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: She pushed away from being, yeah, it must be.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Being one night in Vegas.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: to then try giving in and taking the Diabate approach, but she began to have doubts and also found out their plans for her eggs, right?
01:07:57 --> 01:08:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Was knocked her back into saving the world.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So that goes to your point, I think Nicole, of the journey that Carol has gone through this season.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And Joe gets it.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Joe's really dialed in with this whole situation.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a common speedback in common to have been really awesome.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll see you soon.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I agree.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk a little bit about Manusos.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we can kind of tie that in with some radio frequency talk.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Banamina questions.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, what put Manusos on the path of investigating radio frequencies?
01:08:35 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is where it is interesting because this is, I didn't think about this until Banamina's comment.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:48 [SPEAKER_02]: which is in some ways he is the perfect, he is the writer's tool to unlock the mystery.
01:08:48 --> 01:08:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can feel the hand of the writer now.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, because they made him a ham radio expert.
01:08:54 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_06]: He, like, if you look at his dad, but you ever meet a ham radio person, they are, like, if the world ended tomorrow, every ham radio operator would be like, give him my fucking rig right now, like, it's like, they're all like that.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_06]: I believe it, yeah, they're like, I've been waiting for this so long.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess when you have 8 billion people, you get lucky in one of them's immune and one happens to be a hand.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, you'll operate her.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's fine, you know, to remain to see author, Henry, you'll operate her.
01:09:20 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_06]: And we have no idea the body's background, but you know, apparently have it gambler.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So Jerky says, Minusos using the radio frequencies to see the changes were when the joined person was seizing.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was a question.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Did it seem like the seizure lasted longer than normal when he put the radio to the pubs chest?
01:09:44 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you, like, totally block a radio frequency from the world?
01:09:47 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_02]: How would that work?
01:09:50 --> 01:10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So my interpretation on the radio thing here, both from a manusos character standpoint and character study, and psychoanalyzing manusos, and the, the, the, the result of him being into the radio stuff, he's methodical, right?
01:10:09 --> 01:10:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen this,
01:10:11 --> 01:10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: attention to detail where he went through every step of the radio spectrum at three killer Hertz at a time for two minutes.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are all standardized things we talked about them before in a previous episode.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's an intense controlling guy.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's interesting, I'm curious because they gave us that little icon picture that little, I think it was a mother and child, a Christian mother and child thing.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a bit more orthodox in his ways, where Carol might be a little bit more Protestant, you can argue with me about those interpretations.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I totally think that he, because he scanned the whole radio spectrum
01:10:56 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: he was measuring, the radio wasn't doing that to the person, the radio was hearing what was going on for the person.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And so ultimately, yes, that is going to be able to be involved in how they break them out.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And motor riders D says some frequencies can be blocked using some sort of
01:11:18 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: a structure that uses a bunch of wire basically to block radio frequency so the waves can't get in past the barrier, but not sure if that's what when we talk about a secure rooms and skiffs and things like that there they're just basically fair day cages.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But not sure if the specific medium-wave frequency of the 8.61-3 kilohertz can.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Faraday cages need to be specifically built for the electromagnetic energy wavelength, but certain materials can naturally block things like lead or aluminum.
01:11:49 --> 01:11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It all depends on the frequency.
01:11:51 --> 01:12:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Another way would be to jam the signal by transmitting on the same frequency, a stronger one that makes the original one unable to work, like shouting louder over the original and drowning it out.
01:12:02 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: The latter would probably make more sense if they can build a device that has enough power to...
01:12:08 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_02]: drown out the plurbs signal.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be a portable device that they bring along in place in the same room or vicinity of a person.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:17 [SPEAKER_02]: If they want to disconnect them from the hive.
01:12:18 --> 01:12:22 [SPEAKER_02]: This is just theoretical based on my knowledge of RF and modulation.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all around's community, you never know who you're, you know, you're of course it's here.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping it's all here at the goal.
01:12:28 --> 01:12:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
01:12:29 --> 01:12:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see Manuso doing a bunch of research at the end, right?
01:12:33 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.
01:12:33 --> 01:12:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And like if they fudge it a bit and it's not like actually a frequency, they could be stopped with a Faraday cage, like whatever.
01:12:39 --> 01:12:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Like it's TV, all this has a little, you know, push the science a bit, just, you know, go with it.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And an atomic bomb could also create an electromagnetic pulse that could jam up a bunch of frequencies as well.
01:12:55 --> 01:12:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've seen that theory being kicked around a little bit.
01:12:58 --> 01:12:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool, it's cool, cool, cool.
01:12:59 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's so hot.
01:13:01 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Fire that one, not a great idea.
01:13:05 --> 01:13:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, this kind of ties reader reborn had a comment that sort of ties a few things together on the character side.
01:13:11 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not convinced Carol was under deep cover the whole episode.
01:13:14 --> 01:13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she was trying to prove that the plurbs are incapable of real love.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It goes back to the question of what is a qualifier of evil.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_02]: The inability to feel love.
01:13:25 --> 01:13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I think Carol wanted to be wrong?
01:13:27 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I think she went through that whole montage with Zosha and hoped it was real?
01:13:31 --> 01:13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_02]: but I also think she was testing them and did not go full fully into it.
01:13:39 --> 01:13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Carol was open to the idea of the plurbs until they told her they loved Manusos as much as they loved her.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything after that was giving her everything after that was her giving them a chance to prove that they are capable of love and compassion and change i.e.
01:13:57 --> 01:13:57 [SPEAKER_02]: not evil.
01:13:58 --> 01:14:00 [SPEAKER_02]: She was testing them.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Did she want them to pass?
01:14:02 --> 01:14:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think so.
01:14:03 --> 01:14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But she didn't drink the coolade and seems to be the most, as it seems to be the most common interpretation.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Somewhere else I had a note and I can't remember if I included it or not in putting all this together, but basically that Manusos is willing to kill to save, where Carol might not be willing to kill.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they have to figure out how to come together in those,
01:14:29 --> 01:14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: circumstances.
01:14:30 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, he'll leave and I owe you for burial expenses, at least, at least, at least you do that.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:47 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, my thing is, girl need a vacation after all that, and like, you know, is it a crime to participate in a meal, a succulent Chinese meal, I don't think so.
01:14:47 --> 01:14:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that, you know, Carol, she did at least a little break before she got back to work.
01:14:54 --> 01:14:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a long couple of months.
01:14:56 --> 01:15:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's major trauma, societal collapse.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, she just wants to walk on the beach and sit by the pool for like two to three weeks and then she'll dial back in and that's.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I think that when they said that they loved Minusos as much as her, that was like, starting to chip away at her facade, but when she learned that they were planning to,
01:15:20 --> 01:15:21 [SPEAKER_03]: join her.
01:15:22 --> 01:15:33 [SPEAKER_03]: They were kind of working on a solution to fabricate us something to be like it was just such a big like break of trust that that was what pushed her over the edge.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god, I just had a realization.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_03]: What's up?
01:15:38 --> 01:15:47 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, you're talking about this facade and I'm thinking about the ritual that they had at the beginning of the episode because my yeah, are they going to
01:15:47 --> 01:15:51 [SPEAKER_06]: create the talisman that she was talking about in her book, create a replica of it.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And when she grasps the talisman, that is what we'll change her into a plur.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:03 [SPEAKER_06]: If she has, what was the name of her guy?
01:16:03 --> 01:16:05 [SPEAKER_06]: That's what she's based on?
01:16:06 --> 01:16:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_03]: It was an R, like, yeah.
01:16:09 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_03]: We're a bond.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_06]: We're a bond.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:14 [SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be Robon's talisman, and that's what's going to change her.
01:16:15 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're in all season long.
01:16:16 --> 01:16:21 [SPEAKER_02]: We were like, oh, like, what is the book have to do with the show and how they're going to intertwine it though.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And even the whiteboard kept noting to love potion the whole time and I feel I'm still saying something about love.
01:16:28 --> 01:16:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I think love is the thing.
01:16:31 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's what the Beatles said, huh?
01:16:33 --> 01:16:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard that from them, so I believe it.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's begin to wrap up her a little bit and get into some sort of deeper thoughts about the whole world and speculation.
01:16:45 --> 01:16:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Marcus S says, I still believe the plurbs are honest and they're happiness and they're desire to do no harm to any creature and in their expression.
01:16:53 --> 01:16:54 [SPEAKER_02]: that they love everyone equally.
01:16:55 --> 01:16:59 [SPEAKER_02]: One could argue whether it's truly love and this goes back to, yeah, your point here.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: One could also argue whether they harm domestic animals by setting them loose, yes.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But I have seen, I have the sense that they believe that they are loving and doing no harm, whether they are right, they are honest.
01:17:12 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this goes to my reaction to the plurbs
01:17:21 --> 01:17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: some evil-borg hive that is coming.
01:17:24 --> 01:17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of just look at them like a virus.
01:17:28 --> 01:17:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is it called virus or a flu virus evil?
01:17:32 --> 01:17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's what's interesting, or is the quarterseps John, is the quarterseps evil?
01:17:38 --> 01:17:40 [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's it is mission oriented, right?
01:17:41 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's amoral.
01:17:42 --> 01:17:43 [SPEAKER_06]: It's amoral.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But still weren't the board, I mean, to say that the board or evil, what about you?
01:17:48 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He was fine.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:03 [SPEAKER_02]: did we, you know, they need to make a story, they need to draw them up.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they created a queen.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's this hive.
01:18:06 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it has a, you know, it has a, it's somehow different.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas quarter-seps doesn't have a single ruler, right, in the last of us.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They are, you know, turning creatures into zombies, and being a moral and being stimulus response.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of think that the, to me, the way I'm relating to the plurbs is they're not out to take over.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just biologically driven to share the sequence.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know what these nerds are talking about with Star Trek, but I, I think that,
01:18:39 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_06]: something interesting about the plurbs that we should point out is that they are not a harm reduction mechanism.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:56 [SPEAKER_06]: They are, they are unwilling to actively create harm, but they are also unwillingly to actively prevent harm, right?
01:18:56 --> 01:19:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And so they are not necessarily
01:19:02 --> 01:19:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even you could make the argument that they're inviting harm, right?
01:19:08 --> 01:19:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And they cleared out the whole community at Storke's set for the cigarettes and the fireworks.
01:19:14 --> 01:19:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
01:19:14 --> 01:19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, why leave those to invite harm, so maybe Carol would maybe the problem would solve itself, right?
01:19:21 --> 01:19:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.
01:19:24 --> 01:19:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's going to be the cigarettes, isn't it?
01:19:31 --> 01:19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But then it goes into utilitarianism they're just going around and they took what they needed and not what and they left what they didn't need to me.
01:19:41 --> 01:19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: That was the that's what I got from that.
01:19:46 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So and they didn't know she was going to necessarily drive by there.
01:19:50 --> 01:20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I just I don't describe a lot of motive to the plurbs other than spread the virus right to spread this condition.
01:20:02 --> 01:20:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So, anyway, sub-zero says I think in season two, they find a cure, but there will be a tug of war between Carol and Menuso's regarding how to carry it out.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Menuso's would be fine if half the world died as a result, where as Carol is going to push for less collateral damage.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:27 [SPEAKER_06]: John, any theories on, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:29 [SPEAKER_06]: I think,
01:20:30 --> 01:20:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, he would be, if they could cure everyone, every survivor by killing half the world, yes, he would do it.
01:20:37 --> 01:20:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And if they could heal, or rather, would they be able to only your half the population, but the other half stays plurbed, it gets the same result.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It's the same, that's the same number of people cured, right?
01:20:55 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_06]: But then you don't have the enemy.
01:20:58 --> 01:20:59 [SPEAKER_06]: in the other side.
01:21:00 --> 01:21:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think there is a religious component to Manusos that is going to treat the pleurbis as an enemy, whereas Carol sees them as a problem, but not necessarily an enemy.
01:21:17 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Nicole.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she saw them as a problem up until the point that she learned they had her stem cells and were playing.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_03]: You can bird her.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's when the switch flipped that, you know, she started put on her leather pants and now she's like mission impossible off.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that that
01:21:41 --> 01:21:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I think if anything, I think it's gonna be the other way around.
01:21:44 --> 01:21:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Minusos will want to save every human because he is so religious and Cara will say, if it, let's bomb a mall to save ourselves.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:57 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think I might disagree.
01:21:57 --> 01:21:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
01:21:58 --> 01:21:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Weird.
01:21:58 --> 01:22:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I know that Cara, you know, knowing Racy Horn, she will share an office with Minusos, but she will never become his law partner.
01:22:08 --> 01:22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Lewis says there are millions of humans too early in life to contribute to whatever the hive's function is.
01:22:14 --> 01:22:17 [SPEAKER_02]: People at the end of their lives and physical capabilities.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:20 [SPEAKER_02]: What are the plurbs doing with all those people?
01:22:20 --> 01:22:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder of Gilligan and the rest of the writing staff will be addressing that in the season's ahead.
01:22:25 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_03]: To huge hope, huge hope for me in this story is where the babies were the elderly.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And how we can contribute.
01:22:33 --> 01:22:37 [SPEAKER_06]: That's what scares me is the
01:22:38 --> 01:22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we did see a couple of instances in the early stages, somebody was bringing an artificial limb to somebody who had like it had become separated from.
01:22:49 --> 01:22:53 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that person can then come back into the workforce, right?
01:22:54 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_06]: They can at least do something for the collective.
01:22:57 --> 01:23:03 [SPEAKER_06]: What about the person whose body is so weak that they are just auto feeding tube and unable to do much?
01:23:04 --> 01:23:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And from what we know of the plurbs, they can't actively do harm, so they can't actively kill.
01:23:12 --> 01:23:14 [SPEAKER_06]: But they could stop filling the feeding show.
01:23:14 --> 01:23:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:23:15 --> 01:23:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It could not feed babies.
01:23:16 --> 01:23:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:23:16 --> 01:23:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Not nurture babies.
01:23:18 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:23:18 --> 01:23:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And then eat them.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, probably art, probably exciting happening.
01:23:29 --> 01:23:34 [SPEAKER_02]: John Cena won the TV show, the seasons of all the seasons.
01:23:34 --> 01:23:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Guess spot of the year.
01:23:35 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I think white lotus still wins that one, the guess spot of the year.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what's his name?
01:23:43 --> 01:23:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, with what's his name?
01:23:45 --> 01:23:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is quality podcasting.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the most.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see it yet.
01:23:48 --> 01:23:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So no spoilers.
01:23:49 --> 01:23:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that.
01:23:50 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Just when you get to the guest, you'll know what we're talking about.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:23:54 --> 01:23:57 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a bang or a monologue sort of thing.
01:23:57 --> 01:23:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Silly little quick.
01:23:57 --> 01:23:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you could say.
01:23:59 --> 01:24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Peter OH, reflecting on my top 10 list this year, there are several shows that investigated the nature of our humanity.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Pleurbus posits what if one consciousness inhabit it seven billion bodies, severance asks what happens when you split the consciousness in one body.
01:24:18 --> 01:24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: An alien Earth looks at what happens when you download a consciousness into a fake body, or what happens when you create artificial consciousness.
01:24:29 --> 01:24:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's an obvious takeaway, but clearly humanity is on the cusp of something big on the cusp of some big changes in the nature of our being.
01:24:39 --> 01:24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be a few generations out, but that is where our head is at as a species.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:51 [SPEAKER_02]: John, are you detecting the vibrations and the zeitgeist about consciousness and the conditions?
01:24:51 --> 01:24:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we all love this stuff.
01:24:52 --> 01:24:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Like this is this is this sells books on the shelves, right?
01:24:57 --> 01:25:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And Mark and I didn't ever so during the severance season on Sapiens, the book by Yovall Noah Haurari.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And Mark is more sold on the future stuff than I am, but you heard this episode Nicole,
01:25:11 --> 01:25:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I just know Mark pretty well and he likes that like yeah, yeah, like so you've all know Hurray doesn't book sapiens and it talks about like the history of human kind how we became humans with sight and all that and then It's like also this was in the back of my mind when I was asking about sort of narrative structures and okay True society as well
01:25:28 --> 01:25:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so so and then I completely missed that question.
01:25:32 --> 01:25:42 [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, I so Mark was talking about the end of the book and then at the end of the book, you've all know her is like also we're all going to be fucking robots soon.
01:25:43 --> 01:25:44 [SPEAKER_06]: We're all going to be we're all going to have implants.
01:25:44 --> 01:25:45 [SPEAKER_06]: We're all going to be crazy.
01:25:46 --> 01:25:48 [SPEAKER_06]: We're all going to we're going to become a homogeneous.
01:25:48 --> 01:26:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And then he writes a book called Homodames and he's like, we're going to be crazy, we're going to be next up at everything and then he does a whole book on like networking and how and how like information networks or the next phase of humanity and like, I think he probably has some points, but I think it's mostly the guy is kind of just like,
01:26:07 --> 01:26:09 [SPEAKER_06]: milking his first idea of it.
01:26:11 --> 01:26:12 [SPEAKER_06]: But the point is he's a best seller.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that we, as a society, love this idea that we are going to conquer death and that we are going to expand consciousness by doing that.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the technology, it does exist in neurolink technology and they are using it.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:28 [SPEAKER_03]: for.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and it works super duper well.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:33 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it does, but it might 20 years from now.
01:26:33 --> 01:26:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it might, it might, and I don't think that people, but also ruin us generally.
01:26:40 --> 01:26:41 [SPEAKER_06]: So David, you're muted.
01:26:43 --> 01:26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
01:26:43 --> 01:26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I was on mute.
01:26:45 --> 01:26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: The catch word of our generation, the, I was going to say that, and I taught some certain brands of autonomous cars have hired death rates, because.
01:26:53 --> 01:26:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:26:54 --> 01:26:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But in 20 years from now, yeah, where, where are we going to be?
01:26:58 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: with a with a technology.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's interesting in some ways because when when we look at now, we are we're able to have this conversation because of the internet.
01:27:12 --> 01:27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You can have a conversation with almost any person on the earth right now.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We are one in some way.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:43 [SPEAKER_02]: and ideas can transmit that what we were joking earlier about six seven being over and I was by wife and I were talking with our daughter about it the other day she's like it's because you guys know already what six seven means and like yeah we're we're like antibiotics with bacteria we're driving the evolution of slang because we can instantly know and that information can spread
01:27:43 --> 01:27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's hard not to think that some of these ideas were in Gilligan and the writers, the back of their minds, not only talking about AI, but talking about how we're connected in now, you know, through the internet.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's wrap it up.
01:28:09 --> 01:28:35 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... voicemails and all of your detective work so far this year it was great to have you along for the ride it it was always a joy to see it your emails pop up uh... with something so uh... but i'm gonna ask out the final feedback word this is banana with my final thoughts on pluribus i thought the show has some interesting questions about sacrifice on what would you give up for world peace
01:28:36 --> 01:28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: What was gained versus what was lost in the blurring incident, and we gained peace amongst nations, even amongst individuals, there's no more, interpersonal conflicts, and kind seems united in a common goal, they can manage resources to accomplish that goal.
01:28:58 --> 01:29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But that goal might be for their own detriment.
01:29:01 --> 01:29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they'd rather preserve the signal, then preserve their own lives.
01:29:07 --> 01:29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And although there was an initial collaboration when everyone joined, now they're stagnant.
01:29:14 --> 01:29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't.
01:29:15 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They can only collaborate with people who are unjoined.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And what if everyone was joined, then it's game over.
01:29:22 --> 01:29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the limitations here of this RNA sequence, which maybe was an accident, whoever first designed it, maybe they didn't intend for it to be so limiting, but once it had happened, it was too late.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the sci-fi always says, you know, what a VI takes over the world.
01:29:38 --> 01:29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe that's where they're going with this idea.
01:29:40 --> 01:29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You think of different computer programs or an LLM, they can only do what you tell them to do or give you an answer based upon what you've fed them.
01:29:51 --> 01:29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: In the last episode, even, they're trying to talk through a translator, and it can only do its best job.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when they say Carol Sturkits, unknown word or name, because it's limited, but it can't do everything.
01:30:07 --> 01:30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Man kind then, it's like, as a pleurb society, like a room bus, stuck in the corner, and they don't know where to go.
01:30:16 --> 01:30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: that is uh that's a sad state for mankind but we'll see what happens in season two.
01:30:22 --> 01:30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll share my I don't know if it's off the wall or what but my thoughts for what will happen is Manusos is he's investigating fairday cages and all these other like circuitry stuff I think he's gonna devise a way to pull somebody out of the hive and Carol is gonna get sent
01:30:46 --> 01:30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're going to send a son Carol in and then she's going to learn the secret how to defeat them because they know that but they didn't want her to know it.
01:30:57 --> 01:30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Please, Carol, don't make us tell you.
01:30:59 --> 01:31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So now, she'll be in there, she'll get it, and then while she's in there extracting that information, Manuso sees it on the outside, and he's going to extract Carol out through his circuitry of stuff, and they'll learn the way to undo and fix the world.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that'll take one season, two seasons, I don't know.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's been fun to think about.
01:31:22 --> 01:31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had fun with the TV show and interacting with the pod.
01:31:25 --> 01:31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a great time looking forward to whatever the next big show is that catches my interest, but anyways, take care everybody and we'll see you next time.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:38 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, but I'm going to have just a better version of my theory.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is it.
01:31:40 --> 01:31:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is the one.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:31:42 --> 01:31:44 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not like, that's it.
01:31:44 --> 01:31:50 [SPEAKER_06]: But now, here's the question, when you leave the pluralist consciousness.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: What's that like?
01:31:52 --> 01:31:54 [SPEAKER_06]: And can you retain everything you learned?
01:31:54 --> 01:31:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think you know everything at all times.
01:31:58 --> 01:31:59 [SPEAKER_06]: I think you know what you need to.
01:31:59 --> 01:32:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's sort of like there's a,
01:32:03 --> 01:32:06 [SPEAKER_06]: you know how how computer RAM and storage works, right?
01:32:06 --> 01:32:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Like there's a map you can know where the information is, but you don't know all the information at all times because your brain just couldn't handle that amount.
01:32:15 --> 01:32:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It prune yourself.
01:32:16 --> 01:32:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So what probably, you know like when you wake up from a dream and you can remember the dream super vividly right away as the day progresses, it kind of drips, drops off.
01:32:25 --> 01:32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: But my knowledge tells me that that's probably what it would be like.
01:32:30 --> 01:32:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'll, at first you'd have this rush of information, but then eventually you'd have to prune that back to make room essentially for what you need to know, and you lose a lot.
01:32:42 --> 01:32:45 [SPEAKER_03]: But someone that would be really good at recording all that is a writer.
01:32:46 --> 01:32:49 [SPEAKER_03]: They just got down, come right out and just write everything down.
01:32:49 --> 01:33:03 [SPEAKER_06]: What if what if Manusos talks to her well, she's in and She's still like in a twilight like coming out of it and and just write she's like right this down right this down Right this down here's here's what's going on.
01:33:04 --> 01:33:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
01:33:05 --> 01:33:17 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know that's super interesting I love the idea of a roomba being stuck in the corner of that's hilarious and accurate right like I think of the drone Right at the drone is exactly bad as it couldn't figure out how to do it
01:33:17 --> 01:33:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And like the phone translating, that was a great point we never even talked about that at all.
01:33:21 --> 01:33:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, like it's such a gag, and with the umbrella in the fields like it's so funny, it's just a little moment to me to show what it is.
01:33:30 --> 01:33:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's conceptual and it's theological and it's psychological and sociological, but it's also just plain old funny at times.
01:33:38 --> 01:33:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's really fun watching and really fun to cover it, cover it with the David and it's to talk to you today about it, John.
01:33:48 --> 01:33:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry to interrupt the flow everyone.
01:33:51 --> 01:34:03 [SPEAKER_06]: You didn't even need my live nature ruining the perfect chemistry of these kids Using humor as your shield and yeah, I did I did talk about that on the pit today.
01:34:03 --> 01:34:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I said, oh no Am I on this picture?
01:34:07 --> 01:34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that brings us to a close.
01:34:09 --> 01:34:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you again, Manamana.
01:34:10 --> 01:34:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been great to have you along.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:34:12 --> 01:34:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Look forward to future contributions.
01:34:13 --> 01:34:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you to everyone who wrote in and spent time with us.
01:34:17 --> 01:34:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And even if you didn't write in, no shade or shame, we could use more feedback next year.
01:34:25 --> 01:34:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's been a real joy and a pleasure.
01:34:28 --> 01:34:44 [SPEAKER_02]: covering this show in Nicole, it was really fun to have you along, especially to like be in the dance with you of outlining and leading the conversations and next we got to get you and I don't think we're going to get you ever into editing podcasts.
01:34:44 --> 01:34:49 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, that's not for me, but I will say it's been really nice working with you guys.
01:34:49 --> 01:34:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I've learned if you asked me two years ago, if this is where what I'd be up to, I would laugh and brighten your face.
01:34:57 --> 01:35:00 [SPEAKER_03]: But you've taught me so much about just podcasting in general.
01:35:00 --> 01:35:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I have more to learn for sure, but it's been really nice having you guys as mentors in this capacity.
01:35:05 --> 01:35:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'd love to chime in on some upcoming coverage.
01:35:08 --> 01:35:12 [SPEAKER_03]: You have your
01:35:12 --> 01:35:13 [SPEAKER_06]: You're doing the pit are you watching the pit?
01:35:13 --> 01:35:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna watch I watched all of season one and like one day Which was not the right move?
01:35:19 --> 01:35:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's not a healthy choice and how recommend no, but I couldn't stop.
01:35:22 --> 01:35:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I like couldn't look away I'm really excited for season two I haven't watched yet, but it just dropped yesterday, so yeah one episode at a time So you can all that's great for me.
01:35:31 --> 01:35:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's great
01:35:32 --> 01:35:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got a busy season, busy year coming up, and so there's always there's going to be plenty of for us to talk about in Mark as well, and I know I had a lot of fun talking with Mark last year to around Severance and some other things.
01:35:46 --> 01:35:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're just a big happy network here, and it's a lot of fun because
01:35:51 --> 01:36:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That is one of the upsides of being within our community and a affiliated podcast is we just all have spaces to pull this person over here or I want to go over there and talk about this stuff we can we can kind of make that work.
01:36:04 --> 01:36:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping they call me up on radioactive ramblers.
01:36:06 --> 01:36:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been watching follow and really really into it and going back and listening to their old coverage on it to like catch up.
01:36:13 --> 01:36:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really like the vibe over there.
01:36:15 --> 01:36:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to get into their DMs.
01:36:16 --> 01:36:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, I'm like a young Travis Kelsey, just shouting them out.
01:36:21 --> 01:36:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, let me under show because you guys are so funny.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to just ping them.
01:36:26 --> 01:36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's yeah.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I could just probably just DM them.
01:36:29 --> 01:36:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Aaron's great.
01:36:31 --> 01:36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We were like, just yeah, I just very pleased with our community.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, feedback is PluribusAtthalorounds.com.
01:36:39 --> 01:36:54 [SPEAKER_02]: We will, that eBell will remain active, and so if there's anything that you'd like to share or to thank Nancy or, you know, eating like that, that would be great to then we'll be back at some point in the future when we know more about season two,
01:36:54 --> 01:37:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Nicole, anything that we need to know about and never mind of the music, you guys are, you guys pre-record your stuff.
01:37:02 --> 01:37:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So, no, we're actually, this season, we're trying to stay a little bit more like topical.
01:37:09 --> 01:37:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:37:10 --> 01:37:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So, we record like in chunks, we just recorded a couple new episodes.
01:37:14 --> 01:37:19 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have some more timely stuff around Grammys, doing some Grammys coverage.
01:37:19 --> 01:37:19 [SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
01:37:20 --> 01:37:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so check that out, I'll never mind the music.
01:37:22 --> 01:37:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool, John, what are we doing on the lower house besides the pit?
01:37:26 --> 01:37:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Properly Howard is can we winning us can we fit one more pit reference in on this episode could be I already scheduled some blue sky pose because I have a lot of memes that I'm trying to make out of this for Episode anyway if you didn't already hear pit season two is back, so it's very good That and make sure that and he I'm sorry.
01:37:46 --> 01:37:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I just make I'm trying to make this joke work And it's not to carry out, please.
01:37:50 --> 01:37:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I believe that you will eventually make this joke work
01:37:54 --> 01:37:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Probably Howard supporting us for a night of the seven kingdoms.
01:37:57 --> 01:38:01 [SPEAKER_06]: We are going back to Westeros to do a buddy cop light hearted comedy Amazing.
01:38:01 --> 01:38:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be good three episodes a week.
01:38:04 --> 01:38:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna do deep dives on each on our channel And then that same episode will be available on the properly Howard channel But then we're gonna do feedback and hot takes after the episode is over on the properly Howard channel So make sure you are subscribed to that feed
01:38:19 --> 01:38:38 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... what else is going on radioactive ramblers we mentioned is doing fallout uh... worship dust uh... uh... at least you did a huge project on the christmas carol her and loop did that so definitely go over to worship dust and pick up all that if you want to uh... uh... keep this christmas spirit alive in your life
01:38:39 --> 01:38:44 [SPEAKER_02]: John, do, could you please think our discord server boosters?
01:38:44 --> 01:38:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know Nicole, are you, you up for a lore master read?
01:38:48 --> 01:38:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to hear the professional sandway.
01:38:51 --> 01:38:55 [SPEAKER_03]: John, there we go.
01:38:55 --> 01:39:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Um-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi
01:39:22 --> 01:39:36 [SPEAKER_06]: KVW, the stew, Jeffrey B, at least a U, Ben B, Scott F, Stephen N. Julia F, Collie S, Ill-Mariel, Paul K. Rockysim, Jessica A, Red Zippy, the TPS, the TCS.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Don't forget it.
01:39:40 --> 01:39:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Catch it.
01:39:41 --> 01:39:48 [SPEAKER_06]: L&R, Mrs. Tenant, AC Wilson, E-L-I-W, Cassie K, Chumberrooney.
01:39:49 --> 01:39:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Katia, Katila, I'm gonna try that multiple different ways until I decide on one.
01:39:54 --> 01:39:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Josh Lue, pink in PDX, Cory G and Audrey on.
01:40:01 --> 01:40:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for your subscriptions.
01:40:03 --> 01:40:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Literally, we literally could not do this without you.
01:40:06 --> 01:40:13 [SPEAKER_06]: So, and when we make our Africa-sized satellite with all your donations, it's gonna be great.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:13 [SPEAKER_06]: It's gonna be great.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:15 [SPEAKER_06]: We'll put all your names on the satellite.
01:40:17 --> 01:40:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Will folks, thanks so very much, Nicole.
01:40:21 --> 01:40:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been an absolute pleasure.
01:40:22 --> 01:40:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, David, awesome.
01:40:23 --> 01:40:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So fun.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Look forward to it again, John.
01:40:26 --> 01:40:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you next Friday for sure.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:29 [SPEAKER_02]: If not so well.
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